Flat Earth Koran 03 of 13 - The Two Seas & The Ocean of Heaven

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March 2009 03 The Two Seas & the Ocean of Heaven 1
The Flat Earth Koran
03 of 13 The Two Seas & the Ocean
of Heaven
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An interpretation of the Cosmology of
the Koran & a critique of slamic
Fundamentalism
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The Two Seas & the Ocean of
Heaven
1. The Koran often refers to "The two Seas of Saltwater
and Freshwater.
2. dentification of the two seas is important in
understanding the Cosmology of the Koran.
3. Both Sea's are said to be separated by a barrier.
4. There are also references to a third body of water up in
the Sky that was associated with Noah's Flood.
5. These ideas in the Koran are similar to ideas in Ancient
Mesopotamian, Egyptian & Greek Cosmology.
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The Two
Seas
(tems 06 & 07)
n the Koran, there is a saltwater Sea & two Seas of freshwater.
One freshwater Sea is below the Earth and the other is
above the Sky. (tem 03)
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The Two Sea's
Surah 25:53,Surah 27:61, Surah 54:11-12,
Surah 55:19-20
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Surah 25:53 The Two Sea's
Pickthall "And He it is Who hath given independence to the two seas
(though they meet); one palatable, sweet, and the other saltish, bitter;
and hath set a bar and a forbidding ban between them.
Yusuf Ali "t is He Who has let free the two bodies of flowing water: One
palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter; yet has He made a
barrier between them, a partition that is forbidden to be passed.
Hilali-Khan "And it is He Who has let free the two seas (kinds of water),
one palatable and sweet, and the other salt and bitter, and He has set a
barrier and a complete partition between them.
Shakir "And He it is Who has made two seas to flow freely, the one
sweet that subdues thirst by its sweetness, and the other salt that burns
by its saltiness; and between the two He has made a barrier and
inviolable obstruction.
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Surah 25:53 Continued
Sher Ali "And He it is Who has caused the two seas to flow, this
palatable and sweet, and that salt and bitter; and between them He has
placed a barrier and an insurmountable partition.
Khalifa "He is the One who merges the two seas; one is fresh and
palatable, while the other is salty and undrinkable. And He separated
them with a formidable, inviolable barrier (evaporation).
Arberry "And it is He who let forth the two seas, this one Sweet, grateful
to taste, and this salt, bitter to the tongue, and He set between them a
barrier, and a ban forbidden.
Palmer "He it is who has let loose the two seas, this one sweet and
fresh, that one bitter and pungent, and has made between them a
rigorous prohibition.
NB: Evaporation is the transIators interpretation. This term is not in the originaI Arabic.
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Rodwell "And He it is who hath let loose the two seas, the one sweet,
fresh; and the other salt, bitter; and hath put an interspace between
them, and a barrier that cannot be passed.
Sale "t is he who hath let loose the two seas; this fresh [and] sweet, and
that salt [and] bitter: And hath placed between them a bar, and a bound
which cannot be passed.
rving "He is the One Who has cut off both seas, this one being sweet,
fresh, while the other is salty, briny. He has placed an isthmus in
between them plus a barrier to block them off.
Dawood "t was he who sent the two seas rolling, the one sweet, the
other salt and bitter,and set a rampart between them, an insurmountable
barrier.
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Surah 27:61The Two Sea's
Pickthall "s not He (best) Who made the Earth a fixed abode, and placed
rivers in the folds thereof. and hath set a barrier between the two seas?
Yusuf Ali "Or, Who has made the Earth firm to live in; made rivers in its
midst. and made a separating bar between the two bodies of flowing
water?
Hilali-Khan "s not He (better than your gods) Who has made the Earth as
a fixed abode, and has placed rivers in its midst. and has set a barrier
between the two seas (of salt and sweet water).
Shakir "Or, Who made the Earth a resting place, and made in it rivers, .
and placed between the two seas a barrier. s there a god with Allah?
Sher Ali "Or, Who made the Earth a place of rest, and placed rivers in its
midst. and put a barrier between the two waters? s there a god with
Allah?
Khalifa "Who is the One who made the Earth habitable, caused rivers to
run through it. and created a barrier between the two waters? s it
another god with God?
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Arberry "He who made the Earth a fixed place and set amidst it rivers .
and placed a partition between the two seas. s there a god with God?
Palmer "He who made the Earth, settled, and placed amongst it rivers; .
and placed between the two seas a barrier; is there a god with God?
Rodwell "s not He, who hath set the Earth so firm, and hath made rivers in
its midst. and put a barrier between the two seas? What! a god with
God?
Sale "[s not he more worthy to be adored], who hath established the
Earth, and hath caused rivers [to flow] through the midst thereof. and set
a bar between the two seas? s there [any other] god [equal] with [the true]
God?
rving "Who set the Earth up as a residence, laced it with rivers . and laid
an isthmus between both seas? s there any (other) deity alongside God? "
Dawood "(Surely worthier is) He who established the Earth and watered it
with running rivers . and placed a barrier between the two Sea's.Another
god besides God?
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Surah 54:11-12 Underground waters
Pickthall "Then opened We the gates of Heaven with pouring water &
caused the Earth to gush forth springs, so that the waters met for a
predestined purpose
Yusuf Ali "So We opened the gates of Heaven, with water pouring
forth. and We caused the Earth to gush forth with springs, so the
waters met (& rose) to the extent decreed.
Hilali-Khan "So We opened the gates of Heaven with water pouring
forth,& We caused the Earth to gush forth with springs. So the waters
(of the Heaven and the Earth) met for a matter predestined.
Shakir "So We opened the gates of the cloud with water pouring and
We made water to flow forth in the land in springs, so the water
gathered together according to a measure already ordained.
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Surah 54:11-12 Continued
Sher Ali "Thereupon We opened the gates of Heaven with water which fell
in torrents & We caused the Earth to burst forth with springs, so the two
waters met for a purpose that was decreed.
Khalifa "We then opened the gates of the Sky, pouring water. & we caused
springs to gush out of the Earth. The waters met to effect a predetermined
decision.
Arberry "Then We opened the gates of Heaven unto water torrential &
made the Earth to gush with fountains, and the waters met for a matter
decreed.
Palmer "And we opened the gates of Heaven with water pouring down and
we made the Earth burst forth in springs, and the waters met at a bidding
already decreed.
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Rodwell "So we opened the gates of Heaven with water which fell in
torrents, and we caused the Earth to break forth with springs, and their
waters met by settled decree.
Sale "So we opened the gates of Heaven, with water pouring down, and
we caused the Earth to break forth into springs; so that the water [of
Heaven and Earth] met, according to the decree which had been
established.
rving "So We opened Heaven's gates for water to pour down. We
drilled the Earth full of springs and the waters met at a command which
had been decreed.
Dawood "We opened the Gates of Heaven with pouring rain & caused
the Earth to burst forth with gushing springs so that the waters met for a
predestined course.
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Surah 55:19-20 The Two Sea's
Pickthall "He hath loosed the two seas. They meet. There is a barrier
between them. They encroach not (one upon the other).
Yusuf Ali "He has let free the two bodies of flowing water, meeting
together: Between them is a barrier which they do not transgress.
Hilali-Khan "He has let loosed the two seas (the salt water and the
sweet) meeting together. Between them is a barrier which none of them
can transgress.
Shakir "He has made the two seas to flow freely (so that) they meet
together: Between them is a barrier which they cannot pass.
Sher Ali "He has made the two bodies of water flow. They will one day
meet; Between them there is at present a barrier; they cannot encroach
one upon the other.
Khalifa "He separates the two seas where they meet. A barrier is placed
between them, to prevent them from transgressing.
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Arberry "He let forth the two seas that meet together, between them a
barrier they do not overpass.
Palmer "He has let loose the two seas that meet together; between them
is a barrier they cannot pass!
Rodwell "He hath let loose the two seas which meet each other: Yet
between them is a barrier which they overpass not.
Sale "He hath let loose the two seas, that they meet each
another.Between them [is placed] a bar which they cannot pass.
rving "He has loosed both seas which still come together;between them
lies an isthmus which neither tries to cross.
Dawood "He has let loose the two oceans:They meet one another.Yet
between them stands a barrier that they cannot overrun.
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Analysis
1. One of the two sea's is saltwater & the other is freshwater.
2. The Saltwater sea is probably the Worlds oceans which are
interconnected.
3. The Freshwater sea seems to be underground and be the
source of rivers and springs.
4. The freshwater sea appears to be a literal sea since it is
repeatedly described as such and is very large.
5. There is a physical barrier, possibly of land that separates the
two sea's.
6. All of this has parallels with Apsu & Tiamat in Mesopotamian
Cosmology.
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Apsu & Tiamat The Two Sea's
n Mesopotamian Cosmology, the Sun returned from West to East
at night using a boat to cross the underground Freshwater Ocean.
Similar ideas are mentioned in the Koran. (See Presentation 02)
Tiamat (Underground Freshwater Sea)
Apsu (Saltwater
World Ocean)
Barrier between
the two sea's
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Surah 18:85 - 86 Sun descends into
underground body of water.
The Sun sets
in a muddy pool
of water in the
West.
The Koran
describes this
as being a
specific place
that people
can go to.
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Egyptian Sun God, Re carrying the
Sun under Earth during the Night
Many ancient
cultures believed
that There was
an underground
ocean that was
used by the Sun
in order to return
from West to
East during the
night.
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Surah 18:85-86 Setting place of the Sun.
Pickthall "And he followed a road till, when he reached the setting-place of
the Sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring.
Yusuf Ali "One (such) way he followed, until, when he reached the setting
of the Sun, he found it set in a spring of murky water.
Hilali-Khan "So he followed a way. until, when he reached the setting
place of the Sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot)
water.
Shakir "So he followed a course. until when he reached the place where
the Sun set, he found it going down into a black sea.
Sher Ali "Then he followed a certain way. until when he reached the
setting-place of the Sun, he found it setting as if in a pool of murky water.
Khalifa "Then, he pursued one way. When he reached the far west, he
found the Sun setting in a vast ocean.
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Arberry "Then he followed a way until, when he reached the setting of
the Sun, he found it setting in a muddy spring.
Palmer "Then he followed a way until when he reached the setting of
the Sun, he found it setting in a black muddy spring.
Rodwell Then followed he a route,until when he reached the setting of
the Sun, he found it to set in a miry fount.
Sale "Then he continued [his] way until he came to the place where the
Sun setteth; [and] he found it to set in a spring of black mud.
rving "So he followed a [certain] course until when he reached the place
where the Sun sets, he found it setting in a mucky spring.
Dawood "He journeyed on a certain road until he reached the West and
saw the Sun setting in a pool of black mud.
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The Waters of the Greek Underworld
n Greek Mythology
it was believed that
the underground
land of the dead
was surrounded by
water.
The Koran also refers to
a huge body of water
that is underground.
Charon crossing the River Styx
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Mesopotamian Sun God carrying the
Sun under Earth during the Night
Like his Egyptian
counterpart Re,
Shamash, a
Mesopotamian
Sun God also uses
an underground
ocean to return
from West to East
under the Flat Earth
during the night.
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Surah 18:89 - 90 Sun rises from
underground body of water.
The Sun rises
up out of a
muddy pool
of water in the
East.
This pool seems
to be an exit
from the
underground
Sea.
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Surah 18:89 90 Rising place of the Sun
Pickthall "Then he followed a road till, when he reached the rising-
place of the Sun .
Yusuf "Ali Then followed he (another) way, until, when he came to
the rising of the Sun .
Hilali-Khan "Then he followed another way until, when he came to
the rising place of the Sun .
Shakir "Then he followed (another) course until when he reached the
land of the rising of the Sun .
Sher Ali "Then indeed he followed another way. until he reached the
rising-place of the Sun .
Khalifa "Then he pursued another way when he reached the far
east.
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Surah 18:89 90 Continued
Arberry "Then he followed a way until when he reached the rising of
the Sun.
Palmer "Then he followed a way until when he reached the rising of
the Sun.
Rodwell "Then followed he a route, until when he reached the rising
of the Sun.
Sale "Then he continued [his] way until he came to the place where
the Sun riseth.
rving "Then he followed [another] course until when he reached the
place where the Sun rises.
Dawood "He then journeyed along another road until he reached the
East and saw the Sun rising.
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The Ocean of Heaven
Surah 54:11-12, Surah 71:11
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slamic Noah &
his Ark
Left: Noah aboard his Ark.
The Koran contains a story
about Noah's Ark that is
similar to the more famous
version told in the Bible.
The Koran says that the
water for the Flood came
from both an ocean in the
Sky and also another ocean
under the Earth.
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Surah 54:11-12
Opening the
Floodgates of
Heaven
The Koran describes how the
Floodgates of Heaven were
opened in order to release
water For Noah's Flood.
This implies not only a solid
Sky, but also the existence
of vast oceans of water above
the Sky & under the Earth.
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Surah 54:11-12 Underground waters
Pickthall "Then opened We the gates of Heaven with pouring
water & caused the Earth to gush forth springs, so that the waters
met for a predestined purpose
Yusuf Ali "So We opened the gates of Heaven, with water pouring
forth. and We caused the Earth to gush forth with springs, so the
waters met (& rose) to the extent decreed.
Hilali-Khan "So We opened the gates of Heaven with water
pouring forth,& We caused the Earth to gush forth with springs.
So the waters (of the Heaven and the Earth) met for a matter
predestined.
Shakir "So We opened the gates of the cloud with water pouring
and We made water to flow forth in the land in springs, so the
water gathered together according to a measure already
ordained.
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Sher Ali "Thereupon We opened the gates of Heaven with water
which fell in torrents & We caused the Earth to burst forth with springs,
so the two waters met for a purpose that was decreed.
Khalifa "We then opened the gates of the Sky, pouring water. & we
caused springs to gush out of the Earth. The waters met to effect a
predetermined decision.
Arberry "Then We opened the gates of Heaven unto water torrential &
made the Earth to gush with fountains, and the waters met for a
matter decreed.
Palmer "And we opened the gates of Heaven with water pouring down
and we made the Earth burst forth in springs, and the waters met at a
bidding already decreed.
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Rodwell "So we opened the gates of Heaven with water which fell in
torrents, and we caused the Earth to break forth with springs, and their
waters met by settled decree.
Sale "So we opened the gates of Heaven, with water pouring down, and
we caused the Earth to break forth into springs; so that the water [of
Heaven and Earth] met, according to the decree which had been
established.
rving "So We opened Heaven's gates for water to pour down. We
drilled the Earth full of springs and the waters met at a command which
had been decreed.
Dawood "We opened the Gates of Heaven with pouring rain & caused
the Earth to burst forth with gushing springs so that the waters met for a
predestined course.
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Surah 54:11-12 The Gates of Heaven
open causing Noah's Flood
The Gates
of Heaven
are
probably
openings
in the solid
Sky
Freshwater Ocean of Heaven
Water also rises from underground Freshwater Ocean
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Egyptian Sun God on the Ocean of
Heaven
Many Ancient
Cultures such
as the Egyptians
believed that the
Sun sailed across
an ocean in the
Sky every day
from East to
West.
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Mesopotamian Cosmology
Once again, the Cosmology of the Koran shows similarities with
the Cosmology of Ancient Mesopotamia
Ocean of Heaven
Waters under the Earth
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Conclusion
1. According to the Koran, there is a vast freshwater ocean
under the Flat Earth.
2. There is also a vast freshwater ocean in the Sky.
3. The Freshwater sea seems to be underground and be the
source of rivers and springs.
4. There is a physical barrier, possibly of land that separates the
two sea's.
5. The Sun may well use these oceans to move from East to
West during the daytime and from West to East under the Flat
Earth at night.
6. This is complete nonsense and yet the Koran says that it is
so.How can the Koran be the literal word of God when it says
such things?
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Koran
Universe
n the Koran, there is a saltwater Sea & two Seas of freshwater.
One freshwater Sea is below the Earth and the other is
above the Sky. (tem 03)
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