Kubo 1 Erin Kubo John Kubler English 114A 3 September 2013 They Say/I Say Introduction and Ch.

12 Summary Intro The introduction is the first step to grasping the fact that accomplished writing can become an easy routine with the practice of different moves, or templates for writing, that not only does it make a good writer but a great person socially as well. The authors (Cathy Birkentsein, Russel Durst, and Gerald Graff) of They Say/ I Say make this point by telling their readers this statement. What makes writers masters of their trade is not only their ability to express interesting thoughts but their mastery of an inventory of basic moves (1). The main template that the authors bring to focus is the they say_____; I say____ formula and its importance. If there is any one point that we hope you will take away from this book, it is the importance not only of expressing your ideas(I say) but of presenting those ideas as a response to some other person or group (they say).(3). This helps to make another one of the authors points in stating that the basic move to enter a conversation is to take what others say and use it to make your own ideas. They use this point to give advice for good writing in this statement. the best academic writing has one lying feature: it is deeply engaged in some way with other peoples views.(3). This tool can also bring about another point that others can become a better person from a social standpoint from this statement. Though the immediate goal of this book is to help you become a better writer, at a deeper level it invites you to become a certain type of person: a critical, intellectual thinker who, instead of sitting passively on the

Kubo 2 sidelines, can participate in the debates and conversations of your world in an active and empowered way.(13). I believe that all of these points can be considered logos because in all of these statements the authors have presented have had the use of some sort of logical reasoning behind it. Chapter 12 This point this chapter tries to make to the readers is to not only what writers have said but a deeper meaning behind those words. The authors say this, Even if you end up disagreeing with an author, you first have to show that you have really listened to what he or she is saying, have fully grasped his or her arguments, and can accurately summarize those arguments., so writers can make stronger points in critiquing others. One way to look into the intentions of writers is to ask questions. The authors had hoped that by doing this that the main argument would be more meaningful. They stated that we were still asking students to look for the main argument, but we were now asking them to see that argument as a response to some other argument that provoked it, gave it a reason for being, and helped all of us to see why we should care about it.(146). Another point that was made is that challenging texts can be understood when broken down into essential parts, then it should be translated so it can be more easily understood. The authors state, to understand difficult passages of this kind, you need to translate them into your own words- to build a bridge, in effect, between the passages unfamiliar terms and ones more familiar to you.(153) to show that finding the meaning of some texts require some work to understand. Sometimes the true meaning behind the text is not even stated. The authors say this, In such cases, you the reader have to reconstruct the unstated they say that is motivating the text through the process of inference.(149), because some writers assume the some views are common knowledge that doesnt need to be repeated.

Kubo 3 Overall this chapter tries to make the point not taking texts at face value and thinking critically about other concepts. The first point that was made is what I consider to be ethos because it shows that by asking questions you can get answers that are more personal to the subject when it is just their opinion. The second point would be logos because it has been proven they we as humans like to break things down into something that is simpler. The third point would be considered logos it shows that some common knowledge might not be actually known by everyone.