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9 Volt battery powered heating element that is small and can

reaches 380 degrees F
I would like the heating element along with the battery to fit into an Altoids tin. I have
copper wire (.064 gage), nichrome wire (low gage), stainless steel wire (.064 gage),
304 stainless steel wire mesh, and many tools including a soldering iron. I would be
willing to use a smaller battery as well which would be even better. Ideally it would be
able to power a LED light as well. Hope you guys can help, feel free to email me if
there are any further questions.

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So here is how to reliably join copper and nichrome wire'.

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I am just learning about Vapourisation and I want to make my own one aswell.
I do not know what to do how to start and what I would need.
Size is not a problem for me but i would like to know specs and everything i
would need to know.
Could you please assist me with this...

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1 year ago

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It's a double edged sword -- hook the wire up in series to the battery.
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It is a linear resistor. longer = more ohms resistance.

The longer the wire, the less current will flow.

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Nov 13, 2012

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The shorter the wire, the more current will flow.

The more current flows = the hotter the wire.

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The shorter the wire, the more energy is dissipated, the hotter it will get, BUT,
the hotter it gets, the more heat it will dissipate to the air (heat transfer is a
function of the difference between the hot and cold side). Yay
thermodynamics. If it were a vacuum, only the radiated energy would cool the
metal and it would get VERY hot, but because it's in air, it conducts and
convects heat away, until it reaches an equilibrium of energy in = energy out.
THAT equilibrium point is the temperature a given piece of wire will be at;
there are really about 6 variables here at play;
electrical length of wire (resistance)
specs of wire (resistance per length, thermal mass)
voltage
current (related to the above because of ohms law)
air temperature, pressure, humidity
If you plan to use this as a soldering iron or the like, it will be terrible, because
while it will get HOT, because it has low thermal mass, it won't be able to heat
OTHER things very much (A watt or two of power max, because 9v batteries
are terrible).
As iceng says below (above?) without temperature feedback and a circuit
controlling the current into the wire, it will be 'as hot as it can'. hotter does not
necessarily mean more total energy.

butlerhs (/member/butlerhs/) (author) frollard

1 year ago

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I do not intend to use it as a

soldering iron. I want the wire to
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heat up to about 380 Degrees F
for short periods of times. I have
a momentary button and will only
be pressed for short periods of
times. That is a very helpful
description, Thank you so much!
Below I listed the more specific
wires. So any chance you could
tell me length of wire to use and I
am not set on a 9V battery, what
battery would you suggest?

butlerhs1 year ago

Right, but what I'm getting at is the ability to get up to x degrees is easy
you're only heating a tiny element.

when
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Let me reiterate - WHAT do you want it to do?

i.e. If you want a computer don't say you want a thing with circuits.

butlerhs (/member/butlerhs/) (author) frollard

1 year ago

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I am trying to make a heating

element to heat pipe tobacco just
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enough to get the vapor. I will be
using it in an insulated altoids tin.

butlerhs 1 year ago

yes...tobacco...right :)
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No reason it won't work, I'd go with 3xAA or AAA batteries -- cheaper

and you'll get better run time.
There isn't much mass to vaporizable materials, so that won't be a
problem, it's just a matter of getting the right current for the right
temperature, and the easy way is to just MAKE one and see how hot it
gets, then adjust.

butlerhs (/member/butlerhs/) (author)

Perfect advice! Thank you, my

main problem was using the 9V
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battery, could you explain why

that is? The same circuit would
not heat when using 9V but would
when using just one AA.

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butlerhs 1 year ago

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because a 9v battery is garbage at producing current.

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1 year ago

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iceng

1 year ago

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+1
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iceng (/member/iceng/)

Sorry you cannot solder the nichrom wire, it night get hot enough to
self disconnect.
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You need to use mechanical split screws to attach the nichrome wire
to connect to copper lead in wires .
Fiber screw downs will not work unless they are high temperature;
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1 year ago

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Check the spec of your battery - Most 9 volt square batteries PP3 do not have
current supply capability.

a large
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i.e. it will go flat very quickly.

iceng (/member/iceng/)

1 year ago

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How do you plan to measure the nichrome wire temperature.

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Some measuring TC ( Thermos-Couples ) will cool your wire before

it can reach temperature.
What I can't tell you is how long to make the wire to get the temperature.
I would need the resistance per foot and the exact kind of wire.
Use a remote optical IR temp measure tool under $40
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butlerhs (/member/butlerhs/) (author) iceng

1 year ago

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The wire I am using is "HighTemperature Nickel Wire, .010"

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Diameter"
Not sure what TC is, but I will
look into what that means.
I have an infrared thermometer,
which I am pretty sure that is
what you are referencing?
Thank you for your quick
response.
Let me know if there is any
further information you need to
help!

iceng

1 year ago

BTW yes an LED with a series resistor can be lighted at the same time.
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