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Alias vs.

ICEM
a comparison of software tools for class A surfacing

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Alias vs. ICEM

Agenda
1

Intro

A short history of Alias & ICEM

Comparison

Summary

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1- Introduction

Why this topic?


Alias & Icem users / Half knowledge
More companies will work in mixed teams
Customer view: competition wanted!
Q: How many users here?

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1- Introduction

Bio Nils Kremser

1998 2006 Alias

2006 2012 Autodesk


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Certified Trainer for all Alias courses / trained a lot of ICEM Surf users

2013 IndustrieHansa

2015 Altran
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(Part of the Altran group)

Design & Strak department Head CAS Modeling

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Bio David Poschmann

2009-2013 Study HS Emden-Leer


Mechanical Engineering and Design

2011/2012 internship at KET Munich;


2012 semester projects with VW and Delvis

2013 Bachelor thesis at VW


Associative Automotive Surfaces

Alias

2013 until present: Industriehansa / Altran:


Class-A surfacing
(projects with ICEM-Surf & Alias)

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1- Introduction

Altran A Global Engineering Service Provider

>1.633 Mio.
Revenue

EUROPE

AMERICAS

20+

22.000+

Countries

INNOVATION MAKERS
AUTOMOTIVE, INFRASTRUCTURE
& TRANSPORTATION

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Industries

AEROSPACE,
DEFENCE & RAILWAYS

An International Company

A Strategic Partner

ENERGY, INDUSTRY
& LIFE SCIENCES

Altran offers services


in more than 20 Countries
in Europe, Asia and America

Altran offers
customers all over the world

TELECOMS & MEDIA

ASIA

FINANCIAL SERVICES
& PUBLIC SECTOR

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Project Support

and guarantees a constant

Service Quality

1- Introduction

Altran A Global Engineering Service Provider

AUTOMOTIVE, INFRASTRUCTURE
& TRANSPORTATION

AEROSPACE, DEFENCE & RAILWAYS

ENERGY INDUSTRY & LIFE SCIENCES

TELECOMS & MEDIA

FIN. SERVICES & PUBLIC SECTOR

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A short history of

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2 - A short history of

ICEM Surf

1988-90: Joint venture VW Control Data: VW-Surf


ICEM Surf (ICEM = Integrated Computer-aided Engineering and Manufacturing)
1995: VW gave up further in-house development

1998 PTC acquired ICEM Technologies

from Control data

- Revenue decrease
- Ford changed from existing CAD-System to 300x ICEM Surf 2.1

2002 Management-Buy-Out
- Topologies Ltd. (Mr. Lee Cureton), Indigo Capital (Private Equity)
- 2004 ICEM Style

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2007 Dassault

- ICEM Surf / CATIA Icem (ICEM Shape Design or ISD)

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2 - A short history of

1983 founded as Alias Research, Toronto, CA

Merged with 1984 founded Wavefront Technologies, CA. USA


Collaboration with GM: integrated NURBS into software

1995 Alias | Wavefront

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Anti-Aliasing software for SGI users (1984 SIGGRAPH)


1985 Alias/1
1986 Alias/2
1990 AliasStudio

1995: acquired by Silicon Graphics (SGI), USA

Alias

1998 Maya (before PowerAnimator)


2001 Alias Surface Studio V9.5 (introducing Direct Modeling)

2003 Alias Systems

2006 Autodesk: Alias Design / Surface / AutoStudio

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2 - A short history of

More than 30 years!


But:
Whats the status quo today?
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Comparison

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You can do the Class A job with both


Alias and ICEM!

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Concept Design /
Styling

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Class A
(Strak)

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What the differences?


Alias

ICEM

Alias Surface V2015

ICEM Surf 4.12

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Areas of comparison
1.

User Interface / Learning curve

2.

Typical Workflows

3.

Modeling tools

4.

Diagnostics / Evaluation

5.

Data organization

6.

Packaging

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User Interface / Learning Curve


Alias

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User Interface / Learning Curve


Alias

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ICEM

- many icons

- fewer icons, reduced UI

- UI fully customizable:

- straightforward & clearly structured

icon placement

tool options as icons

hotkeys

marking menu

save your prefs

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- UI not customizable,
(except some hotkeys)

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Learning Curve
ICEM

Alias

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Number of tools &


customization can be
overwhelming
-> choose Surfacing setup!
Later: customization helps you to

speed up (less mouse kilometers)


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easier to learn
in the beginning

self-learning still difficult

(not many tutorials online)

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Typical Workflows: CV modification


Alias

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ICEM

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Typical Workflows: Ball corner


Alias

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Construction History
Alias

ICEM

vs.
Unified Modeller ?
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Modeling Tools
1. Rich data import / export
2. Handling of sections and planes
3. Precise curve & surface creation & editing
4. Precise control point modification (xyz, normal & tangent direction etc.)

5. Exact projecting & trimming


6. Aligning / matching with any desired continuity level (G0, G1, G2, G3)
7. Exact fillets (lead in, minimum radii for meeting legal requirements, form factor etc.)

8. Realtime diagnostics (curvature plots, highlights, parting lines, inflection points, checking
minimum radii globally etc. plus automotive specific tools like head impact)

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9. Integrated high quality visualization

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Modeling Tools
Alias

ICEM

95% similar tools


(with current software versions only different names and logic)

Temporary associativity
with construction history
(in almost any tool)

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Associativity only with Uniform modeler


but not seamlessly integrated and used

Even control point distribution within all


the tools (same blend factors etc.)

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Blend Curves
Alias

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In-direct editing / different cv distribution


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Direct editing / same cv distribution

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Data organization
Alias

ICEM

- object lister intuitive

working with lists (visibility filter)

- different colours only with layers

any object can have its own colour

- show only CVs for selected objects

controls on / off only for ALL patches

- shade only selected surfaces

shading on / off only for ALL patches

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What else is different?


Alias
- Unlimited undo

ICEM
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Just one Undo but quick undo/redo

Super-quick mirroring of a car


to compare two different variants

Align with Undo slider (half assign/match)

Align: modify both

Align: 3 versions / variants!

(for transforming CV or objects)

- Mirroring / comparing a car


with layers (not as quick as Icem)

-Align: 2 versions!
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Diagnostics / Evaluation Tools


Alias
- often supporting geometry

needed (e.g. angle)


- more mouse clicks needed here

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ICEM
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checking algorithms very quick!

full check / topology

fewer mouse clicks

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Diagnostics / Evaluation Tools


Alias

Comparing the speed of checking!

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Packaging

Alias
Software packages:

ICEM
Modules / Licenses:

Alias Design (for ID)

Surf PROFESSIONAL

Alias Surface , Alias AutoStudio (for Class A)

Magic, Master, Scan Modelling not included

Data import / export:

wire format: up- & downward compatible

IGES, STEP, edf & Catia V5 included

Data import / export:

not downward compatible (only edf)

Visualization:

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Diagnostic Shading &


Hardware Shading included

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native formats: ICEM DB & DB (kddat)


IGES & Catia V5 not included in V4.12 (but V4.13!)

Visualization:
Simple Shading included

Real-time Renderer optional (not included)

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Summary

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You can do the Class A job with both


Alias and ICEM.

Its the user!


We are looking forward to future competition between Alias and ICEM!
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20 + 80
Design Experts

Strak Experts

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has experienced
teams
offering services
in CAS modeling &
Class A.

Alias vs. ICEM

Thank you!
Questions?

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Sources:

Dr. Ulrich Jrgens:


New Product Development and Production Networks,
2000, Springer Verlag

Peter Bonitz:
Freiformflchen in der rechnergesttzten Karosseriekonstruktion
und im Industriedesign
2000, Springer Verlag

Michael Wendenburg
Selbstndigkeit gibt Icem neue Kraft
CAD-CAM Report 6/2002

de.wikipedia.org
en.wikipedia.org

: Alias (Unternehmen)
: ICEM Surf

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