10 Hadith Thaqalayn - by Samir

In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful
Hadith Al Thaqalayn
1- Prove that the hadith is Authentic:
a. Sahih Muslim
b. Al Asqalani
c. Al Haithami
d. Al Hakim
e. Ibn Katheer
f. Al Dhahabi
g. Al Tabari
h. Al Seoti
i. Al Albani
2- Prove that the hadith ordered us to follow al Thaqaleen:
a. Heavy, Take, Hold, Follow, Two Caliphs
b. Explanations of Sunni Scholars
3- Answer the Sunnis Answer:
a. Abu Al Faraj Ibn Al Jawzi: it is weak
i. The Hadith is in Sahih Muslim
ii. Five Sunni scholars answered him
b. Al Bukhari: Ahmed said its Kufis Munkar Hadith
i. Ahmed Narrated it in many chains in Musnad
ii. The Hadith is narrated by Makki, Madani, Shami, Basri, Khurasani
c. Ibn Taimia: Al Tarmadhi narrated it & Ahmed weakened it
i. Al Tarmadhis chain is authentic
ii. Ahmed narrated this in 6 chains in Musnad without weakening it
d. Othman al Khamees: It not Them
i. It refers to Thaqaleen not Quran & Ahlulbayt
ii. Al Tawba 9:62
iii. Etabatumohoma (Mustadrak al Hakim 3/110)
iv. Bihima (Kanz Al Omaal 13/140 #36441)
e. Saleh Al Harbi: Only Sahih Muslim is authentic & there is no order
i. Al Raed 13:35
ii. Saba 34:10
iii. Khalifateen (Majma al Zawaeed 9/165, Al Albani)
f. Salafies today: WE FOLLOW AHLULBAYT
i. Ibn Taimia says: Non of the Sunnis Imams followed Imam Ali
g. Salafies today: It is weak in the Shia Books
i. Read at least Hadith number 2 & 3 by al Sadoq
The lecture is divided into three parts;

1. Chain of narration for the hadith and scholars who authenticated it
2. Meaning of the hadith
3. Refuting the claims of the Ahle Sunah
1. Chain of narration for the hadith and scholars who authenticated it

To prove that the hadith is authentic, we will mention the names of the scholars who
authenticated this hadith and the references.
Muslim bin Hajaj Sahih Muslim, hadith # 4425
http://hadith.al-islam.com/Display/Display.asp?hnum=4425&doc=1
Ibn Hajar al Asqalani - Al Matalib al aali, volume 4, pg 65, hadith # 3972
http://www.sonnhonline.com/Hadith.aspx?HadithID=287275
Ibn Hajar Al Haythami - Al Sawaiq al Muhriqa, volume 2, pg 428 & 439
http://www.islammessage.com/booksww/book_search_results.php?bkid=464 &id=428
http://www.islammessage.com/booksww/book_search_results.php?bkid=464&id=439
Al Hakim al Nisaburi - Al Mustadrak, vol 3, pg 110
Ibn Katheer - In his Tafseer, vol 4, pg 122
http://quran.al-islam.com/Tafseer/DispTafsser.asp?nType=1&bm=&nSeg=0&l=arb&nSora=42&nAya=23&taf=KATHEER&tashkeel=0
Ibn Katheer narrated the authentication of Al Dhahabi in his book Al Bidaya Wal Nihaya, vol
5, pg 228, Al Seerah al Nawabia, vol 4, pg 416
Ibn Jarir At Tabari In Kanz Al Umaal, vol 1, pg 380, # 1650
Jalalludin Al Suyuti Al Jamia Sagheer, vol 1, pg 402, # 2631

Al Albaani (authenticated this in 9 different places!) One of the places is Silsila Sahiha, vol
4, pg 355, # 1761. He says that in summary, the hadith is authentic even though some people
say that it is weak (like Ibn Taimia).
http://arabic.islamicweb.com/Books/albani.asp?id=12247
There is a whole background story about this, please listen to it in the audio file.
2a. Meaning of the Hadith from the Hadith itself

Does Hadith Thaqalayn really order Muslims to follow the Ahlul Bayt (as) as the Shia claim? Or
does it only order us to love the Ahlul Bayt (as)?
We will firstly discuss the forms of hadith itself and whatever conclusions we arrive at, we will
then use the Sunni scholars to approve them.
)Thaqalayn (two heavy things

First of all we believe that the hadith orders us to follow the Ahlul Bayt (as) because of the
word (Thaqalayn) that is used. Prophet (saw) Muhammed (saw) used the word thaqalayn,
which means HEAVY, you can see the hadith in Sahih Muslim, under hadith # 4425.
Over there Prophet (saw) Muhammed (saw) says,
Im leaving among you two weighty things.
/ / / :4425

Because of the fact that the Prophet (saw) described the Ahlul Bayt (as) to be one of the two
?weighty things, this means we have to follow them. Why
If we were to look at it from the Sunni point of view, which says that the hadith only exhorts
us to love the Ahlul Bayt (as), not really follow them, we are unable to find any relationship
between calling them thaqalayn and asking us to love them. Why the Prophet would (saw) call
them heavy if he was merely asking us to love them? However if we look at it from Shia
point of view, it makes more sense. It is easy to love someone but its much harder to follow
in their footsteps. So what the Prophet (saw) actually meant was we need to follow the People
of House and it is something difficult (heavy) to do. In that case there is a relationship between
calling them Thaqalayn and following them.
)Tamasaktum (Hold on to
The second form has been mentioned in many sources; one of the them is in Sunan Al Tirmidhi,
hadith # 3720.
/ / / :3720

This is when the Prophet (saw) used the word Tamasaktum, which means, to hold on. It
is clear that this hadith is ordering us to follow them.
And this hadith has been authenticated by Ibn Hajar al Haytham, in Sawaiq al Muhriqa, vol 2,
pg 428
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Also Albaani authenticated this hadith in his book, Sahih Sunan Al Tirmidhi, vol 3, pg 543, #
3788 and this is the link:
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He authenticated it again in Sahih al Jamiah al Sagheer, vol 1, pg 423, # 2458 and this is the
link:
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)Akhathtum (To take

A second form of this hadith is when the Prophet (saw) used the verb to take, which too
orders us to follow the Ahlul Bayt (as). It can be found here:
This has been mentioned in the Sunan Athirmidhi, # 3718
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Which is authenticated by Albaani in Sahih Sunan al Tirmidhi, vol 3, pg 542, # 3786.
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He also authenticated it in Silsila Sahiha, vol 4, pg 355, # 1761. It can be found on this link:
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http://arabic.islamicweb.com/Books/albani.asp?id=12247
This hadith is also mentioned in the Musnad Ahmed Hadith # 11135:
/ / / :11135

;Which is authenticated by Ibn Hajar Asqalani, in Al Mataleb al aalia, vol 4, pg 65, # 3972
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One of the scholars who authenticated the hadith is Ibn Jareer Al Tabari, and the one who
narrated this authentication is Al Mutaqi Al Hindi in Kanz Al Umal, vol 1, pg 380, # 1650.
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)Etabatumohuma (Followed them

A third form of this hadith is when the Prophet (saw) says,
I have left with you two things, you will never be misguided if you follow them.
The one who narrated this and authenticated is Ibn Hajar Haythami, in Al-Sawa'iq alMuhriqah, vol 2, pg 439. Link:
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Another person who narrated this hadith is Al Hakim al Nisabori, in Mustadrak ala Sahihayn,
vol 3, pg 110. Please note that he authenticated the hadith before he mentions the hadith
itself, so he authenticates it on the previous page, 109.
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)Tamasaktum Bihima (Hold on to them

A fourth form of the hadith is when the Prophet (saw) says,
I have left for you two weighty things, if you hold on to them, you will not be misguided.
It is narrated and authenticated by Al Aloosi in his book Mukhthasar al Tuhfa, pg 52.
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)Khalefateen (Two Caliphs

The last form we have is the one that is mentioned in Musnad Ahmed, under hadith # 20596.
/ / / :20596

;It says
I left for you the two caliphs
It has been authenticated by one of the editors of Musnad Ahmed, Shoaib Al Arnaut, in vol
35, pg 456.
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Another person who authenticated this hadith is Abu Bakr Haythami in his book, Majma al
Zawaid, vol 9, pg 162. Link:
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;Also authenticated by Jalaludin Al Soyoti, vol 1, pg 402, # 2631
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;Another Authentication is by Albaani, in Sahih Jamiah Sagheer , vol 1, pg 842, # 2457
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Also authenticated by Aloosi, in Tafseer Rooh al Maaini, vol 12, pg 24:
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Ahmed Ibn Hanbal narrated the same hadith again with a different chain, under hadith #
;20667
/ / / :20667

This was authenticated by Abu Bakr Haythami in Majma al Zawaid, vol 1, pg 170 link:
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The final scholar who authenticated it in this form is Al Samhudi, in Jawahir al Aqdayn, pg
236.
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As we have seen, the hadith has been authenticated by various Sunni scholars in their different
forms. And in all their different forms, the meaning cannot be connected to merely loving
them, it must imply following the Ahlul Bayt (as).
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2b. Meaning of the Hadith from the explanations of Sunni scholars

Now let us see how the Sunni scholars explain this hadith.
We have taken three samples of Sunni scholars. The first sample is those scholars who say
there is a relationship between following and calling them heavy.
From among those is one who explained Sahih Muslim, his name is Abu Zakaria al Nawawi. He
says in his explanation of Sahih Muslim, vol 15, pg 180, that they were called the Thaqalayn
Heavy because they were great, and it has been said, because acting upon what they
have say is heavy.
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Another scholar who says something similar is Ibn Al Atheer in his book Al Nihaya, vol 1, pg
211. He too says that naming them Thaqalayn implies that acting upon their teachings and
sayings is heavy:
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Albaani quotes Ibn Al Atheer in his book Silsala Sahiha, vol 1, pg 360, but after he mentions
his explanation, in brackets he says that the hadith Ibn Al Atheer meant was the one where
Prophet (saw) said the Book of Allah and the Sunnah of the Prophet (saw).
You can see that for some reason, even though no where in his book, Ibn Al Atheer mentions
that version of Hadith Thaqalayn and makes it clear he is talking about the Ahlul Bayt (as),
Albaani still thinks that is the version Ibn Al Atheer is referring to.
The other group of scholars is those who spoke about the verb, to take and the verb to
hold on. One scholar is Mohammed Ibn Abdul Rahman in the explination of Sunan Al
tirmadhi, # 3780:
He says that the meaning of taking them, is holding their love, protect them, act upon their
narrations and use their quotations. Then he says that the meaning of holding the Ahlul Bayt
(as) means to love them and to be guided by their narrations.
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The last group of scholars are those who say that this hadith meant those of the Ahlul Bayt
(as) who are learned and scholarly. If we understand the hadith in this manner, it is obvious
that it means to follow them. If the hadith was referring to loving them only, the Prophet
(saw) would have included all the Ahlul Bayt (as), all the members of the Prophet (saw)s
family. However he specified the Ahlul Bayt (as), these were the ones who were learned and
thus it must be referring to following them.
In Faydh Al Qadeer for al Manawi, vol 3, pg14, Al Hakeem says that they are scholars because
they are not separated from the Quran.
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Another scholar who says this is Albaani, in Silsila Sahiha, vol 4, pg 360. He says it is shown
by the hadith that Ahlul Bayt (as) means those who are upholding the Sunnah of the
Prophet (saw). So, the ignorant members of ahlulbayt are not included.
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We are done with proving that the meaning of the hadith indeed implies following the Ahlul
Bayt (as) and not just loving them.
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3. Refuting the claims of Ahle Sunnah

Claim 1:
The first thing they say is that this hadith is weak because Abu-al Faraj ibn Al Jawzi weakened
it in his book, Al-Ilal al-Mutanahiya fi al-Ahadith al-Wahiya, vol 1, pg 268, # 432. Note that
he only included one hadith that was weak.
Reply:
The fact that Ibn al Jawzi weakened this hadith is a proof against his scholarship not against
the hadith, because the hadith is narrated in the Sahih Muslim which according to the Ahle
Sunna only includes the Sahih Hadith and also because it has already been authenticated by
various Sunni scholars, as we have discussed above. In addition, there are some Sunni scholars
who themselves refute the claim of Ibn al Jawzi, some of them are the following;
a.
Ibn Al Jawzis grandson, Subt Ibn Al Jawzi in his book, Tadhkirat al Khawas. He has said
that his grandfather is wrong.
b. Hafiz al Sakhawai in his book Ertiqa al Ghuraf.
c. Al Samhudi in his book, Jawahir ul Aqdayn. He says here, It is surprising that Ibn Al Jawzi
narrated this in his book Al llal al Mutanahiya, which is especially reserved for weak
ahadith. And be careful not to believe this because it might be that he did not go through
all the chains.
d. Ibn Hajar Haythami, in his book, al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, pg 90: He says Ibn Jawzi
narrating this among the weak hadith is wrong or it is a mistake that he did not look at
all the chains and narrations.
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Claim 2:
The hadith is weak because Al Bukhari weakened it in his book, Al Tareekh al Sagheer, vol 1,
pg 302:
Here Al Bukhari says, Ahmed Ibn Hanbal says that the hadith which was narrated by Abdul
Malik, by Atiya, by Abu Saeed, by Prophet (saw) Muhammed (saw): I am leaving for you the
two weighty things., is a kufi munkar hadith.
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So, the reason for weakening this hadith is that it is narrated by Kufis and it is Munkar, and
the definition of Munkar by Ibn Hanbal himself is that the hadith has been narrated by one not
very reliable person.
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Reply:
First of all, this claim does not raise questions regarding the hadith itself; rather it raises
questions about Al Bukharis creditability. Because no where in all the books of Ahmed Ibn
Hanbal, does he say this about Hadith Thaqalayn. He has narrated this hadith in his Musnad
with seven chains, how then can it be a munkar hadith? We provide here the places where he
has mentioned it in his Musnad;
Hadith # 10681, # 10707, # 10779, # 11135, # 20596, # 20667, # 18508.
The question should be then, where did Al Bukhari get this quote of Ahmed ibn Hanbal from?
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Claim 3:
Once again, they claim that Ibn Taymiya in his book Minhaj as-Sunnah an-Nabawiyyah , vol
4, pg 104 says that the hadith, Ahlul Bayt (as) and Quran will not be separated until they
reach Prophet (saw) Muhammed (saw) at the oasis, is narrated by Al Tirmidhi and Ahmed Ibn
Hanbal has weakened it.
Reply:
As mentioned above, Ahmed Ibn Hanbal has quoted this hadith in his Musnad, which is enough
to prove that it is Hujja according to him. Especially because Ibn Hanbal himself has said that
if there is any disagreement regarding the authenticity of a hadith, refer to his Musnad. If it
is mentoned in the Musnad, it is Hujja, otherwise it is not.
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Claim 4:
Othman al Khamees has refuted the Shia claim by saying that the way the hadith is phrased
does not imply following the Ahlul Bayt (as);
I am leaving for you two weighty thing, once you follow it, you will not be misguided.
He says that the hadith uses the word it, not them, thus is only referring to the Quran,
not to the Ahlul Bayt (as), in which case it would have said, them.
Reply:
First of all, the usage of it is fine, because it is referring to the title of Al Thaqalayn. In
addition, since the hadith is implying that the Quran and the Ahlul Bayt (as) have the same
authority, it is acceptable to refer to them as it. This phrasing has been used in the Quran
itself;

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[Shakir 9:62] They swear to you by Allah that they might please you and, Allah, as well as His
Messenger, has a greater right that they should please Him, if they are believers.
[Pickthal 9:62] They swear by Allah to you (Muslims) to please you, but Allah, with His
messenger, hath more right that they should please Him if they are believers.
Note that though Allah and Prophet (saw) have both been included, it does not say them,
instead only mentions the higher authority of Allah, by using Him.
In another verse;
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[Shakir 9:74] and they did not find fault except because Allah and His Apostle enriched them out of His grace
[Pickthal 9:74] and they sought revenge only that Allah by His messenger should enrich them of His bounty
Once again, though Allah and His Messenger have both been included, the pronoun used is
His grace, not their grace.
Therefore the hadith does not have to say them, because the Quran and the Ahlul Bayt (as)
have the same authority, in which case it is enough.
Also, if we were to look at the explanations of the Sunni scholars, we find that they do not
distinguish between it and them, they understand that it is referring to both the Quran
and the Ahul Bayt.
Mohammed Ibn Abdul Rahman (which we mentioned before) in the explination of Sunan Al
tirmadhi, # 3780:
When explaining this hadith, he does not say the meaning of taking it, he says the meaning
of taking them, showing that he recognizes the fact that the hadith is talking about both.
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Claim 5:
Othman al Khamees makes another point, which is also made by Saleh al Harbi. They say that
all versions of Hadith Thaqalayn are weak, except for one. This is the one mentioned in Sahih
Muslim, and that particular hadith does not order us to follow the Ahlul Bayt (as). It only says,
I am leaving among you two weighty things, the first one is the Quran, it has guidance and
noor, whoever takes it and holds on to it is guided, and Ahlul Bayt (as).
They say that it does not specifically order us to follow the Ahlul Bayt (as), but only the Quran.
They say this means we must follow the Quran, and love the Ahlul Bayt (as).
Reply:
According to the Arabic language, this is also perfectly normal and its understood that it is
applying to the other part as well. Once again, this has been used in the Quran too;
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[Pickthal 13:35] its food is everlasting, and its shade
Note that it says and its shade, and its understood that the previous description applies to
the shade too, in this case it means, its food is everlasting and its shade is everlasting too.
Another verse;
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[Shakir 34:10] And certainly We gave to Dawood excellence from Us: O mountains! sing praises with him, and
the birds; and We made the iron pliant to him
[Yusufali 34:10] We bestowed Grace aforetime on David from ourselves: "O ye Mountains! Sing ye back the
Praises of Allah with him! and ye birds (also)! And We made the iron soft for him
It applies to the mountains and the birds in this case it means, O mountains! Sing praises with
him, and the birds too. Note that Yusufali added the word (also) to the verse to show the
meaning.
Similarly, in the case of Hadith Thaqalayn, when the Prophet (saw), says;
I am leaving among you the two weighty things, the book of Allah, follow it, hold it, and Ahlul
Bayt (as).
It should be obvious by now that the previous part applies to the Ahlul Bayt (as) too, which
means to follow them and hold them as well as the Quran.
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Claim 6:
Sunnis usually tell us that they already believe in the Ahlul Bayt (as), and that they already
follow them. This is a claim made by Othman al Khamees in his book, Huqba Min Al Tareekh,
pg 204. He claims here that he is a follower of the Ahlul Bayt (as).
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Reply:
Ibn Taymiya, in his book, Minhaj as Sunnah, vol 7, pg 529:
Here he says that no one from the four Imams of the Sunni school of thought or any other Fiqh
Imams, refer to Imam Ali (as) in his fiqh. He goes onto to say that they followed others such
as Zeed, Omar ibn Al Khattab, Abdullah Ibn Omar and so forth with proves.
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http://arabic.islamicweb.com/Books/taimiya.asp?book=365&id=3833
So, he essentially proves the Ahle Sunnah do not follow the Ahlul Bayt (as).
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Claim 7:
Salafies say that Hadith Thaqalayn is weak in the Shia books. And they challenge us to prove
that this hadith is Sahih, from the Shia books itself.
Reply:
We have numerous authentic chains in our books. We will provide two.
1. Sheikh as Saduq, Oyoun Al Akhbar, vol 2, pg 60
Chain of Narrators;
Ahmed bin Ziyad al Hamadan
Al Khoei narrates that Sheikh as Saduq has said that this man was reliable, with great
manners, and may Allahs mercy be on him. (Mojam Al Khoei #583)
- Ali ibn Ibrahim
Al Khoei narrates that this man is reliable and that he has the right ideology. (Mojam Al
Khoei #7830)
- Ibrahim ibn Hashim
Sayyed al Khoei says that there is no need to doubt the reliability of this man. He has been
vouched for by many Shias. (Mojam Al Khoei #332)
- Muhammed ibn Abu Umair
Al Najashi says he is a person with great manners towards us and towards those who
disagree with us. (Mojam Al Khoei #10043)
- Ghyath ibn Ibrahim
He is a Basri and is reliable. (Mojam Al Khoei #9299)
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Imam Jaffer as Sadiq (as)

Imam Baqer (as)
Imam Zainalabadeen (as)
Imam Hussain (as)
Imam Ali (as)
Prophet Muhammed (saw)
Someone asked Imam Ali (as), what does the saying of the Prophet mean Im leaving for the
Al Thaqaleen, the book of God & Ahlulbayt who are ahlulbayt?
Imam Ali (as), replied that thaqalayn is referring to me, Hassan, Hussain and the 9 Imams from
Hussain, the 9th one is Imam Mahdi. They are not separated from Quran and the Quran is not
separated from them.
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2. Sheikh as Saduq, in Al Amaali, pg 312, # 10/362
?)Someone asks Imam Sadiq (as) who are the Ahlul Bayt (as
He says, The successors Imams.
?Then he asks, Who are the ummah
)Imam Sadiq (as) says, the ummah are those believers in Prophet (saw) Muhammed (saw
when he said followed Al Thaqalayn, the Book of God and the Ahlul Bayt (as), which are
purified by the verse 33:33. They are the two khalifa on the ummah after the Prophet
(saw).
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This hadith is Muathaq, which means narrated by reliable people but not necessarily
Imamis. And this category is equal to the Sunni Sahih Hadeeth, since they do not require
the narrators to be rightly guided in terms of ideology.
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In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful

The lecture is divided into three parts;

1. Chain of narration for the hadith and scholars who authenticated it

Ibn Hajar al Asqalani - Al Matalib al aali, volume 4, pg 65, hadith # 3972

Ibn Hajar Al Haythami - Al Sawaiq al Muhriqa, volume 2, pg 428 & 439

Al Hakim al Nisaburi - Al Mustadrak, vol 3, pg 110

Ibn Katheer - In his Tafseer, vol 4, pg 122

Ibn Jarir At Tabari In Kanz Al Umaal, vol 1, pg 380, # 1650

Jalalludin Al Suyuti Al Jamia Sagheer, vol 1, pg 402, # 2631

2a. Meaning of the Hadith from the Hadith itself

)Thaqalayn (two heavy things

)Akhathtum (To take

)Etabatumohuma (Followed them

)Tamasaktum Bihima (Hold on to them

)Khalefateen (Two Caliphs

;Also authenticated by Jalaludin Al Soyoti, vol 1, pg 402, # 2631

2b. Meaning of the Hadith from the explanations of Sunni scholars

3. Refuting the claims of Ahle Sunnah

Imam Jaffer as Sadiq (as)

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