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BAGMAN:

The Secret Life of Col. Albert V. Carone


Text, design and compilation copyright © 2006 by Landfall Productions, Inc.
Copyright claimed in entire work, exclusive of
Addendum Attachments A, B, C, D, & E, which consist of
the following materials:

Deposition of Dee Carone-Ferdinand


Affidavit of William Wilson
Affidavit of Edward P. Cutolo
Affidavits of Raymond D. Kohlman, Esq.
Sworn statement of William J. Casey
Sworn statement of Albert V. Carone
Sworn statement of Howard M. Fish
Affidavit of Thomas E. Ferdinand

Filed in the following U.S. District Courts:

United States District Court


For the District of Columbia
Civil Action No. 00-403 (RMU)
Desiree Ferdinand-Carone v. C.I.A.

United States District Court


District of Massachussets
Case No. 98-CV-11829-JLT
William M. Tyree, Jr., vs. C.I.A.,
L. Scott Harshbarger, A. Paul Celluci,
George Bush, Dois Gene Tatum

The Deposition of William C. Duncan was part of a


JOINT INVESTIGATION BY THE
ARKANSAS STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S OFFICE
AND THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS

Eric G. Stacey
Bagman / screenplay by Eric Stacey, introduction by Eric Stacey
(screenplay, copyright 2005 by Landfall Productions, Inc.)
ISBN 978-1-4116-8331-0

www.landfallprods.com
The New York Times - Washington, March 2, 2006
Archivist Urges U.S. To Reopen Classified Files

“After complaints from historians, the National Archives


directed intelligence agencies on Thursday to stop removing
previously declassified historical documents from public access
and urged them to return to the shelves as quickly as possible many
of the records they had already pulled.”

Thousands of Federal Trials Kept Secret


Michael J. Sniffen & John Solomon - AP Writers
March 5, 2006

“Despite the Sixth Amendment’s guarantee of public trials, nearly


all records are being kept secret for more than 5,000 defendants
who completed their journey through the federal courts over the
last three years. Instances of such secrecy more than doubled from
2003 to 2005.”
“Customarily, when we wish to influence group
behavior, we fist attempt to do so by the most efficient
means possible: influencing the individual group leaders.
If our access to the group leaders is blocked, then we
must turn to the lowliest of the members and start seek-
ing grass roots support. Either way, it is to the individual
that we turn. For the “group mind” is ultimately deter-
mined by the minds of the individuals who make up the
group. As a single vote may be crucial in an election, so
the whole course of human history may depend on a
change of heart in one solitary and even humble indi-
vidual. This is known to the genuinely religious. It is
for this reason that no possible activity is considered to
be more important than the salvation of a single human
soul. This is why the individual is sacred. For it is in the
solitary mind and soul of the individual that the battle
between good and evil is waged and ultimately won or
lost.”
“People of the Lie”
Scott M. Peck, M.D.
1983 - Touchstone-Simon & Schuster
INTRODUCTION

March, 2006 saw the premiere of a new show on CBS, “The


Unit.” Inspired by a book by Special Forces veteran Eric L. Haney,
and created by celebrated playwright David Mamet, the hour series
follows the members of a present day Special Forces unit led by
Jonas Bland (Dennis Haysbert) with new member Bob Brown (Scott
Foley) as they confront threats to National Security which only the
Special Forces are trained and equipped to deal with. In the first
episode, Jonas and Bob blow up Taliban terrorists at a suspicious
secret plant hidden in remote mountain country. When Jonas and
Bob return home they must immediately deal with more terrorists
who have hijacked and rigged a passenger jet with a ton of explo-
sives. The Terrorists plan to terrify America by blowing up the jet
and its 150 passengers just as soon as the media arrive.
Meanwhile, Bob’s wife, Kim (Audrey Marie Anderson)
doesn’t understand the importance of keeping her husband’s work
secret. As Jonas and Bob set up an assault on the hijacked jet, Kim
unwittingly threatens her own life by threatening to blow her
husband’s cover. Thankfully, Kim wises up about the same time she
learns she is pregnant.
At the airport, another murdered hostage is thrown from the
hijacked jetliner every hour, on the hour. Despite this, local cops and
the FBI don’t want to have anything to do with experts like Jonas,
Bob and the Special Ops team. Naturally, Jonas and Bob are used to
dealing with bumbling FBI types. Their Special Forces breed lives
to keep the homeland safe - no matter the bungling and meddlesome
intrusions of well intentioned local law enforcement.
In the end, Jonas and Bob ignore the FBI’s warnings and take
out the terrorists, shooting dead every last evil doer. As Jonas and
Bob head for home, their superiors maintain “The Unit’s” secret ex-
istence by giving official credit for the daring rescue to the National
Guard, which lost three men in an initial exchange of gunfire with
the terrorists. The message? No matter how dumb traditional au-
thority figures may be, a secret team of trained experts, directed from
deep within the U.S. Military, is prepared to go anywhere and do
anything, no matter the risk, to keep Americans safe.

“The Unit” is great television and what real American would


question the tremendous service to our country provided by the real
men and women who live patriotic, secret lives to keep America safe?
Well, I think that depends on which and how many laws are being
broken in the process. I know a fellow who lived to serve his coun-
try as a member of Special Forces, and in gratitude for his service to
his country, he is currently serving a life sentence in prison. I also
know a woman whose father was killed and his identity erased by
the U.S. Military when dad had a change of heart and threatened to
spill the beans about his life’s work. I am also familiar with two
Military Intelligence investigators who, over a period of ten years,
researched these same two people’s lives, and as they threatened to
publish their research, both died suddenly under suspicious circum-
stances.
“Bagman” is about all these people and more. These are not
fictional TV heroes - they are real people with families who suffered
tremendous loss when they were perceived as threats to National
Security. As we learn from “The Unit,” little has changed. Anyone
who threatens the secrecy of covert Special Forces and/or CIA co-
vert operations risks a violent death.

Concurrent with the premiere of “The Unit,” the U.S. Army


began running TV spots targeting young men interested in leading
exciting secret lives like Jonas Bland and Bob Brown. This disturbs
me. It is a proud tradition in Hollywood to celebrate things which
make America great, to explore the challenges Americans have over-
come to forge our land of democracy and freedom, and to under-
stand how ordinary men and women have risen to become extraordi-
nary Americans and great leaders. But we also have a duty to seek
and speak truth. Orson Welles led the way with his classic, “Citizen
Kane.” In the 1970’s, the revelations of the Watergate break-in and
subsequent cover-up inspired the movie, “All The President’s Men,”
the story of Bob Woodward and Carl Bernsteins’ articles in the Wash-
ington Post which brought down a sitting President.
After the fall of the Twin Towers on September 11th, 2001,
almost overnight, most Americans were convinced of their vulner-
ability to terrorist acts. But a few rightly questioned the many coin-
cidental failures of well established intelligence, security and pre-
paredness which contributed that day to the terrorists success.
Were the failures coincidence? Michael Moore doesn’t think
so. In his documentary, “Fahrenheit 9/11,” Moore explored many
disturbing connections between the Bush Administration and its links
to The House of Saud. The documentary grossed $45 million U.S.
boxoffice, won the Palm d’Or at Cannes and triggered a split be-
tween two of Hollywood’s most powerful distributors, the Weinstein
brothers’ Miramax Films and The Walt Disney Company, which re-
fused to distribute Moore’s “leftist propaganda.”
Last year, George Clooney dared dissent with two films, both
nominated for Academy Awards. “Syriana,” which probed deeply
into the secret connections between the U.S. and the U.A.R. in the
ever fascinating balance of wealth and power conditioned by the
world’s most compelling resource - oil. Mr. Clooney’s second nomi-
nated film, “Good Night and Good Luck” chronicled the courageous
stand taken by pioneer TV journalist Edward R. Murrow against Sena-
tor Joseph McCarthy and his abhorrent 1950’s witch hunt for Com-
munists.
And this year, if you haven’t already seen it, watch for “Loose
Change - 2nd Edition,” the most provocative 9-11 documentary on
the market today. Made by Dylan Avery, Korey Rowe and Jason
Bermas, this investigative documentary explores hundreds of unset-
tling facts of the 9-11 “terrorist attack” on the World Trade Center
which expose the Official 9-11 Commission Report as little more
than convenient fiction.

It is a miracle that any of the above films were produced and


distributed at all. Truly a testament to the inherent good in the hearts
of many in the Hollywood filmmaking community. Why a miracle?
Because today, thanks to Ronald Reagan and the deregulation of the
1980’s, about the only way unbiased voices are heard - like “Loose
Change - 2nd Edition” - is on the internet. The media - newspapers
and television - are owned by enormous umbrella corporations like
General Electric (owns NBC, CNBC, MSNBC, Telemundo, Bravo,
Universal Pictures and 28 TV stations), Time Warner (owns AOL,
CNN, Warner Bros., TIME and its 130 magazines) Viacom (owns
CBS, MTV, Infinity, Simon & Schuster, Blockbuster and Paramount
Pictures), Disney (owns ABC, Disney Channel, ESPN, 10 TV AND
72 radio stations) and Ruppert Murdoc’s News Corp. (owns FOX,
Harper-Collins, New York Post, Weekly Standard, TV Guide,
DirecTV and 35 TV stations). At the time of the first Persian Gulf
War, CBS was owned by Westinghouse and NBC was owned by
General Electric. Two major nuclear weapons manufacturers owned
two of the major television networks. Westinghouse and GE made
most of the parts for many of the weapons in the Persian Gulf War. It
was no surprise, then, that much of the coverage on those networks
looked like a military hardware show.

Today, “The Unit” seems crafted to convince viewers (the


majority of Americans) that average Americans are powerless against
terrorists and will all suffer unimaginable horrors without help of
this secret branch of the military. Dare we speculate on how and
why this show got the green light at this particular time? Michael
Moore’s follow up film to “Fahrenheit 9/11,” is still a year from be-
ing released. The only other opportunities for everyday Americans
to present opposing points of view to the Bush Administration’s dis-
mantling of Constitutional freedoms via The Patriot Act must be dis-
covered online. Political conventions no longer offer an opportu-
nity to be heard. Protestors are now relegated to special “free speech”
zones, areas far removed from view and virtually ignored by the
media. If protestors stray, they are shot with rubber bullets, often
beaten bloody and arrested.
How are our voices to be heard? Only via the Web.
MoveOn.org introduced the voice of Howard Dean to America. Now,
three kids are shaking things up with their $2,000 documentary. But
these are exceptions to the (golden) rule. The cost of mounting a
campaign for political office is enormous, virtually assuring that any
successful candidate will be beholden to big money. Add to this a
news media muzzled by its dependence on corporate advertising
dollars and suddenly there is little real news on TV. Dan Rather’s
stellar career as a TV news journalist and anchor was cut short by his
on-air reference to a convincing but apparently forged document criti-
cal of President Bush’s Air National Guard record! Now, after years
of hard hitting morning chatter, the charming and popular Katie Couric
is poised to take the helm of the CBS evening news. Is it any
wonder so many Americans have become apathetic and disenfran-
chised?

I admit it. I am cynic and an idealist. I want to be able to


trust the people who represent me in Washington. I expect that in a
true democracy government will be transparent, open and honest. In
my twenties, I was devastated when JFK was killed. I don’t mind
that he may have had a thing for Marylin. JFK was a President you
could trust. I trusted Jimmy Carter, but he got skewered in the Octo-
ber surprise. I also trusted Bill Clinton, for a while.
The President I trusted least of all, Ronald Reagan, has prac-
tically attained sainthood. Why? No matter what he said, no matter
how incorrect or mangled his message, no criticism ever stuck on
“the teflon President.” Why? Because he’d been a fixture in Ameri-
can living rooms for decades, first as an actor and then as host of
“Death Valley Days.” America trusted the illusion of Reagan’s smile,
and whenever anyone questioned policy or any Presidential deci-
sion, all he had to do was say, “There you go again!” and America
knew who the good guys were.
Certainly, Ronald Reagan’s legacy rests on his ending the
Cold War, a war won by outspending the Soviets on nukes, missiles,
tanks and subs. Reagan’s war against the threat of Communism was
fought on many fronts; at the Berlin Wall and in odd places like
Panama, El Salvador and Nicaragua. It seemed horribly unfair to
many that peasants should be killed by roving Death Squads in Nica-
ragua and El Salvador simply because of their struggle to earn a de-
cent day’s pay. But that was never the issue in the press; a press that
gloried in characterizing Central American peasants as Communists
whose very existence threatened to destroy America. In truth these
“Communists” were just poor folks who had the gall to stand up to
exploitation by wealthy growers with ties to North American busi-
ness. As a result they were killed by the tens of thousands by U.S.
trained and equipped Contra “death squads.” Today, row after row
of 100 square foot, tin roofed “employee housing” stands adjacent to
the clothing and tennis shoe factories outside San Salvador where
workers now earn enough to feed and clothes their families - more
than they had before the Revolution. Was the defeat of Communism
in Central America worth the cost? Clearly what was at stake was
whether corporate America would prevail in establishing a stable gov-
ernment able to control a virtual slave class of workers producing
low cost goods for a growing global economy. Is Iraq really any
different? The neocons don’t appear to think so.

Several years ago, I was thinking of making a new documen-


tary and went to lunch with a very interesting ex-LAPD Narcotics
detective named Michael Ruppert. Ruppert, heads a cutting edge
(yes, liberal) news organization, From The Wilderness. His FTW
newsletter counts as its subscribers numerous members of Congress
from both parties as well as political news junkies of all stripes and
persuasions. It is a newsletter where investigative journalists pub-
lish articles on important matters like “Peak Oil” and where Ruppert
champions people like Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and
economist Catherin Austin Fitts.
At our lunch, Ruppert spoke with great authority about a crimi-
nal enterprise responsible for importing and selling staggering quan-
tities of cocaine during the 70’s and 80’s. He told me of a young man
from a patriotic family of Mormons who had served in Special Forces
at the time. The man’s name was William Tyree. One of Tyree’s first
assignments as a member of the US Army Special Forces had been
with a unit assigned to a secret, support operation in Panama, circa
1975 where Tyree learned he had been ordered to support a cocaine
smuggling operation code-named “Watch Tower.” Later, Tyree’s wife,
Elaine, was murdered because she kept a diary which recorded de-
tails of her husband’s experiences.
Bill Tyree is presently serving a life sentence for a murder he
did not commit. In 1980, Tyree’s Commanding Officer, Col. Ed-
ward P. Cotulo began to question the authority of the man who had
assigned him to head “Operation Watch Tower,” Edwin Wilson.
Cotulo wrote an affidavit (Addendum C) re. his concerns and a month
later died in an accident during a NATO exercise. Col. William
Wilson, who investigated the massacre at My Lai for the U.S. In-
spector General’s office, was one of the first to receive the Cutolo
affidavit and became immediately interested. With another military
intelligence investigator, Bill McCoy, he conducted a thorough in-
vestigation of Tyree’s case (see Addendum B). Wilson & McCoy’s
conclusion? Operation “Watch Tower” had been run by the CIA and
Tyree was the victim of a cover-up orchestrated by Col. Cutolo and
many others, all willing to break any and all laws in order to main-
tain the secrecy of the enormous U.S. Military/CIA sponsored drug
smuggling operation.

As a result of my correspondence with William Tyree, I


learned of Dee Carone-Ferdinand and her father, Col. Albert V.
Carone, who had been Tyree’s superior on several covert operations
in Central America including “Watch Tower.” With nearly everyone
who had anything to do with “Watch Tower” dead or in prison, Tyree
and Carone-Ferdinand became the closest thing to a real, live, smok-
ing gun in establishing the historical facts of “Operation Watch
Tower.”
In 1998, both Tyree and Ms. Carone-Ferdinand, represented
by attorney Raymond Kohlman, sued the U.S. Government and the
CIA in U.S. District Court - Tyree in Massachusetts and Carone-
Ferdinand in Washington D.C. Neither trial got any coverage on the
evening news, and only diehard conspiracy theorists have heard of
either Tyree or Carone-Ferdinand. A lot of folks want to keep it that
way.
In exploring Tyree’s and Carone-Ferdinand’s stories, a dark
history of illegal activities conducted by a secret, “shadow” govern-
ment began to reveal itself. In Dee Carone-Ferdinand’s video depo-
sition, she describes details of her father’s confession, made over a
four year period, concerning his work for both the U.S. Military, the
CIA and the Mafia. Carone’s confession touched on many things:
who may actually have been behind the assassination of JFK; of a
U.S. President who was a part of that assassination conspiracy; and,
of the true nature of the operations run by Col. Oliver North during
Iran-Contra. Carone’s confession also suggests the power of a des-
perately secret, shadow government to conduct illegal activities and
to use its influence to place “friends” in key positions within the
Department of Justice, friends able to protect those in power from
prosecution.

The sensational Steven Soderberg film “Traffic” (2000) hinted


at ties between the U.S. government and cocaine smuggling. Other
fiction films such as “The Matrix” pit the survival of justice and
freedom vs. brutal omnipotent fascist governments. But hard hitting
as they are, “Traffic” and “The Matrix” remain works of fiction.
Mere entertainment. “Bagman” is not a made up work of fiction. It
is true.
From his cell in Walpole State Prison, William Tyree sent me
many of the documents in the Attachments section: the William J.
Casey affidavit, the Albert V. Carone affidavit, his own affidavit, and
the affidavits of his attorney, Raymond Kohlman. Some of the docu-
ments bear a TOP SECRET or CLASSIFIED stamp. Both because
the documents were filed in one or both Civil Cases brought against
the CIA and related defendants by Tyree and Carone-Ferdinand, and
because U.S. District Judge Ricardo M. Urbina’s written opinion rules
that the Plaintiffs affidavits are “self-serving forgeries,” I feel no harm
can come from publishing them. In fact, the Attachments add con-
siderably to the interest and mystery of Desiree Carone-Ferdinand’s
case against the Government, a case conducted in secret and or sealed
from public scrutiny by the Court.
The cloaking of the Carone-Ferdinand case from public view
is even more troubling. If the case were indeed without merit, as
Judge Urbina suggests, why was it kept locked away and hidden?
Could it be that some or all the facts presented are true? One could
not tell from Attorney Kohlman’s affidavits re. the William J. Casey
affidavit or the Albert V. Carone affidavit. Kohlman states that the
affidavits merely “purport” to be the affidavits of Casey and Carone
and that he is prepared only to “testify to their contents.” This rings
false and raises many suspicions and speculations. Why would a
well established attorney put on a case in U.S. District Court present-
ing evidence he clearly does not stand behind as genuine? Surely
Kohlman knew this sort of half-hearted presentation of evidence
wouldn’t be taken seriously by the Court. Surely, A law partner and
associate of William Pepper, the celebrated attorney who success-
fully represented the estate of Martin Luther King Jr. against the
United States Government, Kohlman knew exactly how the court
would treat such “evidence” especially considering the affidavits were
mailed to him anonymously.
Given these legal flaws, one wonders who exactly Kohlman
was working for, Desiree Carone-Ferdinand or someone else? This
is, ultimately, the question posed by the screenplay “Bagman.” Was
the entire case brought against the Government by Kohlman merely
as an elaborate ruse to convince Desiree Carone-Ferdinand to once-
and-for-all “bite the bullet” and shut up about her father’s death?
Perhaps. But it is quite likely we will never know. Nonetheless, it
sure makes for one heck of a true story.

A story as big as the secret life of Albert V. Carone deserves


to be more than a private literary experience. It deserves to be wit-
nessed in a darkened theater filled with people seeking an explana-
tion for how things in our country have gone so terribly wrong. Albert
V. Carone’s story demands to be told and to be witnessed by large
groups and that is why I have written it as a screenplay.
The events of Iran-Contra and CIA cocaine smuggling have
all been discussed, investigated and digested. All, that is, with the
exception of the part played by insiders like William J. Casey and
Albert V. Carone. Unfortunately, Desiree Carone-Ferdinand has been
advised only to speak with writers willing to pay her enormous sums
for her participation in any book or movie treatment of her father’s
life. Too bad. I really don’t think Dee is aware of the importance of
her father’s story, a story which offers something seldom encoun-
tered in conspiracy lore... a smoking gun.
This is why “Bagman” is important. There are hundreds of
theories about the JFK assassination and how many shooters there
may have been. But what if there had been a written affidavit from
someone like Jack Ruby that explained everything? That would be
another matter altogether. And a written affidavit is exactly what we
have from Albert V. Carone. That is also what we have from ex-DCI
William J. Casey. The affidavits which Judge Urbina characterizes
as “self-serving forgeries” are what makes Carone-Ferdinand vs. CIA
important. True, we can not prove whether the Casey and Carone
affidavits are forgeries or real. But Desiree Carone-Ferdinand heard
these things from the lips of her father, and Desiree Carone-Ferdinand
swears that the affidavits are true. Unless she believed in the truth of
the affidavits, how else could this middle-aged mother of two stand
up to the United States Government in a court of law? There is no
question that Col. Wilson’s affidavit is genuine, and the Cotulo affi-
davit has a traceable pedigree as well. These are the reasons no li-
cense has been taken in adapting the Attached Court Records into the
screenplay “Bagman” and that no names have been changed. Desiree
Carone-Ferdinand believed the Government of the United States of
America owed her some thirty-six million dollars for erasing her
father’s identity and seizing bank accounts she held jointly with him,
bank accounts funded from her father’s illegal, covert CIA drug smug-
gling activities.
Thus, the story of Albert V. Carone begs to be told - hope-
fully to a large audience which may one day support efforts to ensure
that our “shadow government” is disarmed and our democratic insti-
tutions are once again restored to function as they were originally
intended - free from the corrupting influence of military and corpo-
rate interests.

Anyone who needs further proof that the Tyree and Dee
Carone Ferdinand allegations may be true need look no further than
another lawsuit brought against the CIA, the Dept. of Justice, the
Estate of William Casey, ex-DCI’s Robert Gates, John Deutch, George
Tenet and ex-Attorneys General William French Smith, Edwin Meese,
Richard Thornburgh and Janet Reno in 1999 by Donna J. Warren
and three other plaintiffs who alleged that those U.S. Government
agencies and employees were responsible for the crack cocaine epi-
demic of the 1980’s and the resulting social and economic devasta-
tion of inner city communities. Their law suit was supported by the
statements of CIA Inspector General Fredrick Hitz, who appeared
before the House Intelligence Committee on March 16, 1998 to re-
port on his investigation of the CIA, the Contras and crack cocaine.
In his statements to the Committee, Hitz confirmed that, beginning
in 1982 (in order to sidestep the Boland Amendment), the CIA en-
tered into an undisclosed agreement with the Department of Justice,
allowing CIA officers to refrain from reporting drug trafficking by
its “agents, assets, and non-staff employees.”
According to military intelligence investigators Col.
William Wilson and Bill McCoy, Dee Carone-Ferdinand’s allega-
tions were absolutely true. And given the Hitz report, the Warren
lawsuit and the Kerry Commission’s investigation into Iran-Contra
drug running, the substantial body of investigative work that sup-
ports Ms. Carone Ferdinand’s allegations may be more than enough
for any right thinking person to conclude these things actually took
place. On the other hand, whether a political prisoner like Bill Tyree
will ever be set free or those responsible will ever be held account-
able is another matter entirely.

Over the years, a number of courageous men and women have


risked careers and their lives, sticking their necks out in an attempt to
make public the story of drug smuggling by the “shadow government.”
They include:

Col. Edward P. Cutolo (US Army) deceased


Col. William Wilson (US Military Intelligence) deceased
William McCoy (US Army Criminal Investigator) deceased
Gary Webb -- San Jose Mercury News, deceased
Terry Reed (with John Cummings) authored,
“Compromised: Clinton, Bush and the CIA”
Bill Alexander (Arkansas State Congressman)
William Duncan (Investigator – State of Arkansas)
Michael Ruppert (retired LAPD) From the Wilderness
James Rothstein (retired NYPD)
Barbara J. Wegher (investigative journalist) deceased
Leslie Cockburn – (TV news Producer) CBS News
Susan Candiotti (investigative journalist) WPLG-TV
Marcia Izagirre (investigative reporter) WPLG-TV
Emilio Rangel (investigative reporter) WPLG-TV
Jonathan Kwitny (investigative reporter) W.Street Journal
Steven Emerson (investigative reporter) US News
John Kelly (investigative reporter) S.F. Bay Guardian

And, if one pays attention to conspiracy theorists, both former


Directors of Central Intelligence - William Colby and William Casey -
should be included in the above list as they were both rumored to be
about to reveal CIA secrets immediately prior to their deaths. (See
afterword for details)

In his affidavit of 1980, Col. Edward P. Cutolo states that “Op-


eration George Orwell,” a covert surveillance operation focused on keep-
ing “Operation Watch Tower” secret, collected intimate details of mem-
bers of the U.S. Congress and other officials which was later delivered
by his superiors in the Pentagon to key corporations which used the
surveillance information to influence Congressional votes on big ticket
defense appropriations (such as Stealth aircraft). Given the public knowl-
edge of post 9/11 domestic eavesdropping by the NSA, it would be na-
ive to think similar covert surveillance of lawmakers has not continued
to the present day.

Col. Cotulo was assigned the command of Operation Watch-


tower by Edwin Wilson, one of the most notorious figures of the late
1970’s. In 1983, Wilson was convicted of selling 20 tons of plastic
explosives to Lybia. The former intelligence officer served 20 years of
52 years on convictions in three separate cases, including a conviction
for attempted murder and the illegal export of arms. In October, 2003,
Judge Lynn N. Huges of Federal District Court in Houston overturned
Wilson’s conviction for selling explosives, finding that prosecutors had
knowingly used false testimony to undermine Wilson’s defense. In his
appeal, Wilson produced records of at least 40 occasions of work per-
formed for the C.I.A. after his “retirement.” In overturning Wilson’s
conviction for the explosives sale, Judge Hughes wrote, “In the course
of American justice, one would have to work hard to conceive of a more
fundamentally unfair process with a consequentially unreliable result
than the fabrication of false data by the government, under oath by a
government official, presented knowingly by the prosecutor in the court-
room with the express approval of his superiors in Washington.”

Kitty Kelly wrote in the New York Times, “When it comes to


keeping secrets, George W. Bush has no equal. He’s blocked the
release of reams of sensitive material, from Chief Justice John Rob-
erts’ Justice Department memos to photos of flag-draped coffins re-
turning from Iraq. But with Executive Order 13233, Bush has out-
done himself. The directive, which he signed in 2001, states that ‘a
former president’s private papers can be released only with the ap-
proval of both that former President – or his heirs – and the current
one.’ Previously, the National Archives released all Presidential
papers, except those pertaining to national security, 12 years after
the President left office. Now, a shroud has been pulled over our
own history. As a result, we may never find out why Bill Clinton
granted 177 pardons as he was preparing to leave the White House.
Was there a quid pro quo? Documents that might have shed light on
Ronald Reagan’s Iran-Contra scandal will also go unseen, so we’ll
never know what role, if any, then Vice president George H.W. Bush
played in that arms deal. Fifteen years from now, we’ll still be stuck
with the current President’s official explanations of why he invaded
Iraq, and how the federal government bungled the Hurricane Katrina
relief efforts, and so on. Presidents aren’t kings; they’re public ser-
vants, and Americans have a right to know how their government
really works. This is about much more than the desires of historians
and biographers. The best interests of the Nation are at stake.”

On 24 December, 1992, Pres. George H.W. Bush pardoned


Caspar Weinberger, Robert McFarlane, Duane Clarridge and Elliott
Abrams for “their conduct related to the Iran-Contra affair.” With
revelations such as those of Col. Albert V. Carone to hide from the
public, is it any wonder that President George W. Bush is so ob-
sessed with secrecy? What else is the President hiding from public
view? How many of President Clinton’s 177 last minute pardons
were related to Iran-Contra? And, if the curtain of secrecy were lifted,
what might we learn from the actual facts of other events which changed
the course of history? Pearl Harbor. The Gulf of Tonkin. The October
Surprise. And, most frightening of all, September 11th?

Keep these things in mind as you read “Bagman,” and the sup-
porting affidavits of Casey, Cutolo and Carone, who risked everything
in their illegal fight against the threat of Communism in Central America.
Were they patriots or criminals? Either way, at least until one fateful day
in Chapatulla, Mexico, all were convinced of their right purpose and
true service to their country. And, like the charming Mr. Reagan and all
those nice folks who keep us entertained on TV, don’t forget to keep
smiling.
Eric Stacey
June, 2006
BAGMAN:
The secret life of Col. Albert V. Carone

Screenplay by Eric Stacey

Based on documents filed in


United States District Court
1
BLACK SCREEN:

At first, we only HEAR the SOUND of footsteps. A man


breathes heavily. He’s being tortured.

STRAUSS
Who knows?

CAMARINA
Nobody.
(weeping)
I swear.

STRAUSS
Why should we believe you?

CAMARINA
I told you.

The SOUND of a fist strinking flesh. A bone SNAPS.


Camarina SCREAMS.

STRAUSS
Tell me again.

CAMARINA
I work alone. Nobody knows.

FADE IN on the face of ALBERT V CARONE. He has wit-


nessed this kind of suffering countless times. His
hard eyes stare, emotionless, as the SOUND of the
torturing continues...

STRAUSS
Somebody led you here. Who was it?

CAMARINA
I’m telling you the truth.
(in pain)
Oh, God. I swear to God!

STRAUSS
If you don’t give me something, I’m
going to kill everybody in this fucking vil-
lage.

FADE OUT
2
FADE IN on...

EXT. A SMALL MEXICAN VILLAGE – NIGHT

A full moon silhouettes several hundred men, women


and children. They’re standing at the edge of a
ravine. Behind them, the outline of their small
village, Chapatulla.

After a moment, the SOUND of AUTOMATIC WEAPONS.


Faces of men, women and children as they are cut down
by the GUNFIRE, their bodies toppling into the ra-
vine.

INT. SMALL HUT — NIGHT

It’s dark inside. Carone steps into FRAME.

AL
They’re all dead.

SOUND of weeping. Carone kneels next to “Kiki”


Camarina, who is buried up to his neck in the earthen
floored hut.

AL
This is your last chance.

CAMARINA
The whole village?

AL
Everybody.

CAMARINA
You’re fucking monsters.

Carone stands. He steps to JOHN STRAUSS, another


American.

AL
He’s telling the truth.

STRAUSS
Motherfucker.

Strauss picks up a can of gasoline. Begins pouring


it onto the ground, around Camarina’s head.
3
STRAUSS
Mother fucker.

Strauss continues pouring gasoline as he walks out of


the hut. Carone hesitates. Locks eyes with
Camarina. Camarina weeps, scared to death.
Now, clearly troubled, Carone connects with Camarina
one last time, an apology in his eyes. Carone turns.
Exits.

EXT. HUT — NIGHT

Carone steps to Strauss. Strauss puts a cigarette


between his lips. Opens a box of matches.

AL
He’s one of us for Chrissakes.

Strauss eyes snap to Carone.

STRAUSS
One of us?

AL
He was doin’ his job.

Strauss studies Carone, emotionless. He strikes the


match. Lights his cigarette. Hesitates a moment and
then… drops the match...

A trail of FIRE snakes into the hut. In a matter of


seconds, the hut is ENGULFED IN FLAME.

Strauss turns away as Camarina’s SCREAMS are HEARD.

Carone can’t take it any more. He hauls back and


slams a knockout right hook into Strauss’ face.
Strauss goes down. Carone starts walking to distance
himself from Camarina’s SCREAMS.

FADE OUT:

INT. DEE CARONE DEPOSITION – DAY

DESIREE A. FERDINAND sits in front of a black back-


ing. She is middle aged with bulging eyes and short
hair. She looks as if she has lived ten lifetimes.
At the bottom of FRAME, a DATE APPEARS: 9-29-1998.
4
From O.S., her ATTORNEY, RAYMOND KOHLMAN, asks ques-
tions...

VOICE
The time is now ten-o-five a.m.
Council will now identify himself
for the record.

KOHLMAN
Raymond D. Kohlman, K-O-H-L-M-A-N,
of Attleboro, Massachusetts.

VOICE
Penelope J. Perrigo, Notary Public,
will now swear in the deponent.

PERRIGO
Do you swear the testimony you are about
to give is the truth, the whole truth and
nothing but the truth.

DESIREE
Yes, I do.

KOHLMAN
Good morning.

DESIREE
Good morning.

KOHLMAN
You okay?

DESIREE
I’m fine.

KOHLMAN
Oh, good. I’d like you to look at
this please.

Desiree takes a document from OS.

KOHLMAN
And can you tell me what it is.

DESIREE
It’s my father’s death certificate.
5
KOHLMAN
Okay. And when did your father die?

DESIREE
January seventh, nineteen-ninety.

KOHLMAN
And how long had he lived here in New
Mexico?

DESIREE
Since nineteen-eighty.

KOHLMAN
And what was your father doing at the
time of his death?

DESIREE
He was retired.

KOHLMAN
And... um... what was his previous
employment?

DESIREE
He originally was with the military.
Then he went into New York City Police
Department. Did cross-over work with
Central Intelligence Agency and while
he was with the military, until his
death, he was with Military Intelligence,
CIC, Counter-Intelligence Corps.

EXT. RIO RANCHO, NEW MEXICO — DAY

The lights of the city sparkle on a clear desert


night.

LOCATION ID APPEARS: Rio Rancho, New Mexico - 1985

EXT. CARONE GARAGE — NIGHT

Al Carone steps to a side door. He carries a brief-


case. A handcuff dangles from the handle. Al un-
locks the door. Enters.
6
INT. CARONE GARAGE — NIGHT

Nothing unusual about the garage. Some worn furni-


ture. Garden tools. Barrels of animal feed. Al
steps to a back shelf. Reaches underneath. Pulls a
metal foot locker onto the work bench. He unlocks
the padlock. Begins transferring audio tapes and
photos of the dead in a mass grave at Chapatulla.

INT. SUBURBAN KITCHEN – NIGHT

A hearty meat sauce simmers on the stove top as DEE


FERDINAND slides garlic toast into the oven. In her
mid-forties, her olive complexion suggests an Italian
heritage, but little else distinguishes her from any
other mother in suburban America. As she cooks, she
speaks to someone in the next room.

DEE
They’re going to start putting
something on all the packages, Dad.
I forget what they call it. Bar
something. An electric eye at the
checkout stand reads it and somehow
knows exactly what it is, and how
much it costs. All the cashier has
to do is hold the item so the electric
eye can see this bar thingamajig.

Not hearing a response, Dee glances into the family


room where a couple of recliner chairs face a TV.

DEE
Dad? Did you hear me?

Dee’s son, VINCENT, sixteen and athletic, swings


through the door from outside. His sister, ROSIE,
follows close behind in a cheer-leader’s outfit.

VINCENT
We won. Twenty-one to six.

ROSIE
Tony made two touchdown passes.

DEE
Your grand-father is home. I think he fell
asleep.
7
Vincent swings through the kitchen and into the fam-
ily room. On the TV, a REPORTER looks into the news
camera.

REPORTER
“Kiki” Camarina was working undercover
in Mexico for the Drug Enforcement
Agency. Authorities report that
he had been brutally tortured by
members of a drug smuggling cartel
he had infiltrated.

VINCENT
Hey, Big Al. Did you hear? We won!

Vincent drops onto an ottoman. Smiles as grandfather


is REVEALED. It is ALBERT V CARONE, the mass mur-
derer from Mexico. Carone CHANGES CHANNELS with his
remote.

AL
Congratulations.

VINCENT
What are you watchin?

Don Johnson smiles from the TV screen.

AL
Miami Vice.

VINCENT
Cool.

Al grins, offering nothing more. After a moment,


Anthony grows tired of Don Johnson grinning from his
Ferarri.

VINCENT
Gotta change.

Rosie swings through the family room, brushing Al’s


head with a kiss.

ROSIE
Dinner is almost ready, Grandpa.
8
The two kids continue toward the back of the house as
Dee enters. She sits in front of her father, con-
cerned.
DEE
Dad?

AL
Huh?

DEE
How are you?

AL
Why?

DEE
You seem moody. Is everything okay?

Al focuses on the TV. Switches it off.

AL
I got something to tell everybody at
dinner.

Al looks away, focusing on the blank TV screen. Dee


accepts this without question.

DEE
Are you hungry?

AL
For your meatballs? You gotta be
kidding.

INT. CARONE DINING ROOM — NIGHT

The kids dig eagerly into plates of spaghetti. Dee’s


husband, TOM, sits across from Al. Dee serves Al,
then Tom, as...
TOM
Dee says you were in Mexico, Dad.

AL
Yeah. I like Mexico.

TOM
You hear about the DEA Agent that
got killed?
9
AL
I heard. It’s all over the news.

TOM
He was born in Mexico. Raised dirt
poor. Came to this country and
worked to make his dream come true,
working for the DEA.
AL
I told you. I heard about it.

Tom turns to Dee, puzzled.

DEE
I told you. Something happened.

Al stops eating. All eyes focus on him, anticipat-


ing.

DEE
You want to wait for the kids to finish?

AL
I’m not revealing any secrets tonight.

DEE
Well then...?

AL
I’m going to retire.

Shocked silence. Then...

TOM
I don’t believe it.

AL
I put in forty five years. I’m
sick of it.

DEE
(concerned)
You used to say nobody ever retires.

AL
There are people who don’t like the
idea. You want to know the truth?
They’re gonna turn up.
10
AL (Cont.)
It’s just a matter of time.

Dee and Tom exchange a concerned glance.

TOM
Al Carone isn’t the kind of guy who
just decides overnight to retire.

AL
I used to take pride in what I did.
There was a purpose to it. Now,
it’s just about the money.

DEE
(worried)
I never heard you talk like this.

AL
You don’t need to worry. The only
one they’re interested in is me.

ANTHONY
Who, grandpa?

AL
Anthony, big Al’s the one who asks
questions. Tell your Grand Dad about
the touchdown passes you made.

EXT. CARONE STREET — DAY

An 85 SUV is parked a distance from the house.


Tinted windows keep us from seeing the occupants.

DATE APPEARS: October 5, 1986

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

On the TV, the news program, West Fifty-Seventh


Street, is on. The anchor, JANE WALLACE, appears
especially serious.

WALLACE
Good evening. Welcome to West 57th.
Our first story tonight contains new
and startling information that
indicates the American government
11
WALLACE (Cont.)
got involved in smuggling drugs to
supply the Nicaragan contras. That’s
right: drug smuggling organized by the
CIA to support the Contras. Congress
is already investigating the covert
network set up by the White House and
the CIA to secretly supply the Contras
with guns and money. But tonight you’ll
hear from three men who say, as incredible
as it sounds, that the government
through the sale of marijuana and cocaine
helpef fund that secret war.

Al eyes the TV warily as he does push-ups in the


family room.

In the kitchen, Dee picks up her keys and purse.

DEE
Dad, I’m going to the drug store
for Tom’s prescription. You want
anything?

Al continues doing push ups.

AL
Ice cream. Vanilla.

EXT. CARONE HOUSE - DAY

Dee exits the side door. Climbs into her station


wagon. Backs out the drive.

INT. SUV - DAY

Four “SUITS” wait in silence, watching Dee turn up


the street heading away from them.

INT. DEE’S STATION WAGON - DAY

Dee heads up the rural country road, oblivious to how


her life is about to change.

EXT. CARONE DRIVEWAY - DAY

The four “suits” approach. Two split off toward the


front door. Two head for the side door.
12
INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Barely breaking a sweat, Al Carone continues doing


push ups.

On the TV, West Fifty Seventh continues.

WALLACE
What kind of cargo are you talking about?

TOLLIVER
Drugs. It was my understanding that
they would make sure we wouldn’t get
caught. They were providing not only
the cargo but the landing areas, crews,
everything.

INT. DEE’S STATION WAGON — DAY

Dee stops at a red light. She signals and turns,


heading for a shopping center up the road.

EXT. ROAD — DAY

Another 85 SUV with tinted windows is at the side of


the road. The engine starts with a ROAR. It takes
off, following Dee.

EXT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

The two “suits” at the front door. One of them RINGS


the BELL.

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Al stops his exercise. Grabs a towel. Heads for the


front door, the SOUND of the TV program continuing.

TOLLIVER
Believe it or not, the - the entire
business is compartmentalized. You’ve
got - I’m like a Teamster. You know.
I’m in transportation. You got people
that are in loading: you got people
that are in off-loading; you got people
that are in distribution, people that
are in sales.
13
TOLLIVER (Cont.)
You know, it’s - it’s like an
IBM situation.

Al opens the front door, revealing the two “suits.”

SUIT 1
Colonel Carone?

AL
You boys didn’t waste any time getting
here, did you.

Behind him, the SOUND of the TV is turned OFF. The


barrel of a Glock automatic is pressed to the back of
Al’s head.

AL
Very good. Didn’t make a sound. I
must have trained you.

SUIT 2
You know why we’re here.

AL
You’re doing your job, and you don’t
question your orders.

SUIT 1
That’s right.

The fourth “suit” steps behind Al. Punches him


sharply in the kidneys. Al drops to his knees, hurt.

SUIT 1
We don’t want to end up like you,
Colonel.

The “suits” turn, heading away, as Al struggles for


breath, his eyes bulging.

INT. DRUG STORE — DAY

Dee heads up an aisle looking for something. She


stops at a section where there are twenty different
kinds of dental floss. Trying to decide which one to
purchase, Dee notices a man in the next aisle. He is
watching her.
14
Uncomfortable, Dee starts up the aisle toward the
Pharmacy. As she reaches the end of the aisle, the
man appears again, blocking her way.

MAN
Dee?

Surprised that the stranger knows her name, Dee hesi-


tates...

DEE
Yes?

MAN
Al’s daughter?

Dee’s eyes open wide in surprise. The Man steps to


her. Takes hold of her arm.

MAN
We need to talk to you.

DEE
Take your hands off me! Get away
from me, whoever you are! Help!
Somebody!

Dee yanks her arm free and runs for the door, SCREAM-
ING for help.

EXT. DRUG STORE — DAY

Another man leans against the SUV smoking a ciga-


rette. Dee runs from the store to her station wagon.
She glances wildly at the man. Unlocks her car and
starts the engine.

As she pulls from her parking place, the Man from the
store exits, watching her drive off.

EXT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Dee pulls into the driveway and hurries inside.

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Dee enters, anxious...


15
DEE
Dad?

He’s not in the kitchen. She heads into the family


room.

DEE
Dad, where are you?

She glances around, not seeing her father. She


starts into the living room, where she sees Al. He’s
laying on the couch.

DEE
Dad?

Al sits up slowly, as if drugged.

AL
Everything’s all right. I’m here.

DEE
They followed me to the drug store.
Two men. One of them followed me
inside. He called me by name.
(then...)
He asked me if I was your
daughter. I guess he could tell by
my expression. Then he took my arm
and said, “we have to talk to you.”

AL
What did he look like, this man?

DEE
About forty. A little shorter than
me. Balding on top. And he wore
wire framed dark glasses.

AL
Anything else?

DEE
He sounded middle eastern or maybe he
was an Israeli.
16
AL
Jesus. What the hell do they want
with you?

Al drops back onto the couch. Dee glances at the


front door. It’s still open.

DEE
Was somebody here?
(alarmed)
Was somebody here while I was gone?
Dad?

Al clutches his stomach. Doubles up. Begins retch-


ing.

INT. ER CUBICLE — DAY

Al Carone is pale. His breathing is shallow and


labored. He’s only a heartbeat away from death.
Dee is by her father’s side. She holds his hand and
prays, anxious.

After a moment, the ER PHYSICIAN enters.

ER PHYSICIAN
Mrs. Ferdinand?

DEE
Yes?

ER PHYSICIAN
The lab tests are back...

DEE
And?

ER PHYSICIAN
They’re inconclusive. Your father
appears to be suffering from some
form of septicemia - blood poisoning –
but it’s nothing we’ve ever seen before.

DEE
An hour ago he was a doing pushups.
He does a hundred pushups a day, no
matter what.
17
ER PHYSICIAN
Did anything unusual happen that could
explain this?

Dee hesitates, considering how much to say...

DEE
My father is in the military. He just
came back from Mexico.

ER PHYSICAIN
There’s a small puncture above his right
kidney. It happened no more than a
couple of hours ago.

DEE
There was someone at the house.

ER PHYSICIAN
We’re starting to see signs of
kidney failure.

Dee squeezes Al’s hand. Turns back to the Physician.

DEE
My father is a fighter. You just
keep him alive.

ER PHYSICIAN
You can’t tell us anything?

DEE
Dad?

AL
It’s classified.

ER PHYSICIAN
We’ll do everything we can.

The Physician turns into the next cubicle. Al looks


up at Dee, struggling.

AL
They killed me, Dee. Just the same
as if they’d put a gun to my head.
18
INT. HOSPITAL CORRIDOR — DUSK

The elevator doors open. Tom Ferdinand steps to the


nurse’s station. Confirms Al’s room number. Starts
up the corridor as Dee steps from a hospital room.

TOM
How is he?

DEE
They put him on a kidney machine.
He seems a little better

TOM
How are you?

DEE
Afraid.

TOM
You look terrible. You have to
come home. Get some sleep.

DEE
I’ll sleep once Dad comes home.

TOM
I could stay. Give you a chance to
close your eyes.

Dee bites her lip, conflicted.

DEE
You have to promise not to pay
attention to anything he says.

TOM
Why?

DEE
He’s talking crazy.

TOM
What kind of crazy?

DEE
Remember the drug agent who got
killed in Mexico? “Kiki” Camarena?
19
TOM
Yeah.

DEE
Dad says he was there.

INT. AL CARONE’S HOSPITAL ROOM — NIGHT

Tom and Dee are at Al’s bedside. He struggles


against an almost overwhelming exhaustion.

AL
It was supposed to be routine.
Security maintenance. But then
this FBI kid “Kiki” turns up.
He had no idea what he was up
against.

Al’s eyes survey Dee and Toms’ faces.

AL
You can’t let anybody threaten an
operation. It doesn’t matter who
it is. But this kid came up from
nothing. Like me.
(then...)
We beat him terrible. Killed everybody.
The entire village. Over a hundred
people.
(then...)
Strauss lit the match and dropped it
into the gas. The kid’s screams.
The whole village in a ravine, dead.
It made me sick, and I slugged Strauss
in the mouth. Hitting Strauss. That
was my death warrant.

Al struggles against the weakness that threatens to


take him down.

AL
I’ve never told anyone what I’ve done.
(then...)
I have to tell somebody. I want you to
be my confessors.

Al looks from Tom to Dee. They’re scared half to


death.
20
INT. HOSPITAL CORRIDOR — NIGHT

The door to Al’s hospital room is closed. From be-


hind, we HEAR Al and PASQUALE in a LOUD argument.
PULL BACK to REVEAL Dee and Tom outside, in the cor-
ridor.

After several moments of unintelligible SHOUTING,


PASQUALE, Al’s brother, comes from the room. Immedi-
ately, Pasquale steps to Dee.

DEE
It’s no good for you to argue with
Dad like that, Uncle Pasquale.

PASQUALE
What did my brother tell you? Was he
going on like a crazy man about work?

DEE
I’m sorry, but that’s between Dad
and me.

Pasquale whirls, facing Tom...

PASQUALE
And who else? You?

TOM
Look...

PASQUALE
No. You look. That man in there.
Your father. He’s out of his mind.
He is delusional. Do you understand?
No one in his right mind would say
such things. No one!

Dee stares at her uncle, stunned by his anger.

DEE
You mean about killing an entire
village of innocent people?

PASQUALE
I’m sorry if this is upsetting to
you, Dee. But it would be far
better for everyone if you were
to place your father in my care.
21
DEE
Your care?

PASQUALE
Of course. Who better? I can see
that he is properly cared for. The
people here... what are they doing?
Kidney dialysis? They’re incompetent.
I insist on taking over my brother’s
care.

Furious, Dee turns away. Enters Al’s hospital room.

INT. AL CARONE’S HOSPITAL ROOM — NIGHT

Al looks better. He’s sitting up in bed as Dee en-


ters.

DEE
Could you hear Pasquale? The dialysis
is the only thing keeping you alive...
and he wants to take you off?

AL
He’s one of them. I gave you my
power of attorney. You keep that
son-of-a-bitch away from me.

Al takes Dee’s hand. Gives it a squeeze.

INT. HOSPITAL CORRIDOR — NIGHT

Pasquale paces as Dee returns.

DEE
Uncle Pasquale, the doctors here
know what they’re doing. We’re
not going to change a thing.

PASQUALE
Desiree, you have no idea the trouble
you are about to bring down on your
family.

DEE
Well, thanks very much for your concern.
22
EXT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

An ambulance turns into the drive and pulls to the


front walk. Attendants assist Al into a wheel chair
and wheel him to the front door.

DATE SUBTITLE: November 25, 1986

INT. CARONE FAMILY ROOM — NIGHT

The TV is on. President Reagan in the White House


briefing room...

PRES. REAGAN
I was not fully informed on the nature
of one of the activities... National
Security Adviser John Poindexter has
resigned and National Security Adviser
Colonel Oliver North has been fired.

Al, wrapped in a blanket on the recliner. He turns


from the TV to Dee.
AL
I never did like that guy.

DEE
Which guy?

AL
North. What an asshole.

DEE
You worked with Oliver North?

AL
He went by another name. John Chafee.

DEE
Dad, Pasquale says you’re crazy.

AL
Pasquale wasn’t in Chapatulla.

Dee straightens the blanket covering Al.

AL
The three of us went to Honduras
together...
23
AL (Cont.)
George Bush, me and that asshole,
North. Bush was head of CIA at the
time. I posed as his personal
physician. They needed to renegotiate
our deal with President Cerruti.

DEE
What deal?

AL
You don’t contract delivery of
thousands of tons of cocaine without
help from the top people.

DEE
Thousands of tons?

AL
Only governments can arrange things
like that.

DEE
And now? Resignations? A huge
scandal?

AL
They’re going to spin and spin.
By the time they’re through, it will
be like nothing ever happened.

Worry creases Dee’s brow as she considers what she’s


just heard, but the SOUND of the kids arriving home
from school interrupts her thoughts.

DEE
Are you hungry? You want some
lasagne?

Al smiles. Turns back to the TV as Dee exits into


the kitchen.

INT. OUTPATIENT CLINIC — DAY

Al is hooked up to a kidney dialysis machine. The


rotors of the pump moving his blood through the fil-
ter which stands in for his kidneys... the only thing
keeping Colonel Albert V Carone alive.
24
DATE APPEARS: December 9, 1986

INT. CARONE FAMILY ROOM — NIGHT

The TV is on. Another news report.

NEWS CLIP: Oliver North and John Poindexter, appear-


ing before the House Foreign Affairs Committee, in-
voke their Fifth Amendment rights, refusing to tes-
tify.

Dee and Tom are sitting up with Al, who wears a bath-
robe, ready for bed.

AL
You see how dangerous this all is?
It’s a heartbeat away from taking down
the President.

TOM
Would you like to see it reach the
Oval Office, Al?

AL
You know better than that.

TOM
Even after what they did to you?

AL
The Commies are practically camping
in our back yard. You don’t want to
invite them into the house, do you?

TOM
No, sir.

AL
Well, neither did the President. But
when Congress won’t give you money to
take care of the problem, you find
other ways.
(then...)
That’s all we did. Bill Casey decided
it was worth bending the rules a little.
So what if some dope addicts in Harlem
wind up doing time? Who cares?
25
TOM
You’re talking about the head of the
CIA, Dad.

AL
Bill came to your daughter’s christening.

TOM
Yes, he did.

AL
You remember the hall I rented for
your wedding?

TOM
Of course.

INT. WEDDING HALL — DAY

It’s enormous, with four separate reception halls.


Al has a WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHER in tow. He leads him
into the first hall, as...

AL
These are my friends. You do not
come in here. You do not take any
pictures of these people...

The photographer glances at faces in the room.


They’re all well heeled Washington types: politi-
cians, military and police friends.

Al leads the photographer across the way into a sec-


ond hall, as...

AL
These are also my friends. You
do not take any pictures of these
people.

The photographer glances at faces in the room. These


are all Italian and Chinese “businessmen” and their
families. A rough looking bunch.

Al leads the photographer toward a third hall where


Tom and his family and friends are gathered.

AL
This is the groom’s room.
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AL (Cont.)
Here you take lots of pictures.
The groom’s family and friends.

He spins the photographer around, facing a fourth


hall where Dee, her SISTER, MOTHER, Bridesmaids and
Carone family and friends are gathered.

AL
And here, you take pictures of my
beautiful daughter and her family.
You develop the pictures and bring
them to me. Nobody else. You
understand? Nobody sees a picture
till I say so.

PHOTOGRAPHER
Yes. Of course, Mr. Carone.

INT. CARONE FAMILY ROOM — CONTINUOUS

Al, wrapped in his blanket, as before.

AL
Police and military in one hall.
Organized crime family across the
way. Our families separate from
the others. Who has a wedding like that?
(then...)
I worked my way up. NYPD. Counter
Intelligence. CIA. And all the while,
at the right hand of Carlo Gambino
and then your Uncle Paul...

TOM
Castellano.

AL
When I was a kid, I ran paper bags of
cash for Uncle Vito. After the War,
I was inside NYPD. A bagman. And
after JFK, I was paymaster for hundreds
of black operations. All secret.
The money, untraceable.
(considers, then...)
If any of those operations were
threatened, I was the guy they called
to eliminate the threat.
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TOM
You killed people.

AL
A lot of people.

TOM
For the CIA.

AL
For my country.

INT. AL CARONE’S BEDROOM — NIGHT

Al is up. He paces, on the verge of tears. Stops at


the dresser. Looks at himself in the mirror wracked
with guilt. After a moment, he opens the door and
starts slowly downstairs.

INT. CARONE KITCHEN — NIGHT

Al comes from upstairs, clearly upset. He looks


around the room. Stares at the refrigerator. Then,
a shadow behind him. It’s Tom.
TOM
Dad?

Al turns slowly...

AL
I was hoping you might come
downstairs.

TOM
Are you all right?

AL
No. Something’s been bothering
me.

TOM
You want a snack?

Tom steps to the fridge. Collects some leftovers,


as...
AL
You remember where you were the
day JFK was killed?
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TOM
Why are you asking me a question
like that?

AL
Everybody remembers where they were
the day JFK was assassinated, right?

TOM
Everybody I know.

AL
You want to know where I was that
day? Dallas.

Tom can only stare. Stunned.

AL
They told me exactly where to
position myself. On the roof of
the airport. When Kennedy arrived,
I was the first in line to take
him out.

TOM
I can’t believe what I’m hearing.

AL
I couldn’t get a clear shot. There
were too many people around him.
(then...)
Thank God. With everything I’ve done.
I couldn’t have lived with that.

TOM
The Agency killed Kennedy?

AL
He was going to pull out of VietNam.

TOM
You couldn’t say no?

AL
You think you have a choice? Nobody
has a choice. Not even Presidents.
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INT. KIDNEY DYALISIS CENTER — DAY

Blood circulates through the dialysis machine filter-


ing the toxins that threaten the life of Al Carone.

DATE APPEARS: January 28, 1987

INT. CARONE FAMILY ROOM — DAY

“Good Morning America” is on the TV. George H.W.


Bush is being interviewed...

BUSH
On the surface, selling arms to a
country that sponsors terrorism, of
course, clearly, you’d have to argue
it’s wrong, but it’s the exception
sometimes that proves the rule.”

Al turns from the screen. He seems worse. As if the


left side of his body has begun to atrophy, but only
slightly.

AL
Are you hearing this, Dee? My old
boss is on “Good Morning America.”
(then...)
You think they’re in hot water
trying to explain selling arms
to Iran? Wait till they have to
explain selling crack to school kids.

Dee enters from the other room. She smiles, pleased.

DEE
You sound pretty good for a dead man.

AL
They should ask him about the
Nugen Hand Bank. About heroin
from Tailand. About the product we
deliver to South Central L.A.

DEE
Dad, do you know how crazy that sounds?

AL
Ask Manuel Noriega how crazy it
sounds. I paid him personally for
his warehouses and his Army.
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EXT. CARONE GARAGE — NIGHT

It’s late. The lights in the house are off. Two men
make their way through the shadows toward the garage.
They step to the side door. One has a large pair of
bolt cutters.

The bolt cutters quietly cut through the padlock on


the door.

INT. CARONE GARAGE — NIGHT

The two men enter. Both produce flashlights. They


begin searching for something, quickly finding Al’s
foot locker.

INT. CARONE FAMILY ROOM — DAY

DATE APPEARS: February 22, 1987

The TV is on.
NEWS REPORT - Fawn Hill, Oliver North’s secretary,
has been granted immunity. She admits to helping her
boss shred documents.

Al Carone watches, his health deteriorating.

INT. CARONE FAMILY ROOM — NIGHT

DATE APPEARS: February 26, 1987

The TV is on.

NEWS REPORT - Less than 24 hours after Richard Secord


implicates him during the Iran-Contra hearings, Will-
iam Casey, Director of the CIA, dies of brain cancer.

Al, deteriorating, whispers to Dee...

AL
Brain cancer? Don’t you believe it.
I worked for Bill Casey and he
worked for Wall Street...
and the Bankers. Bill Casey was a
Patriot. He made the world a better
place.
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AL (Cont.)
If he’d made it in front of Congress,
Bill Casey would have told it like
it is. But America doesn’t want to
know the truth. And they will never
give anyone a chance to tell it.

INT. AL’S BEDROOM — NIGHT

Al is on the brink of death, his breathing labored.


Dee and Thomas are by his side.

AL
They screwed the black community.
Why? Because no one gave a damn.
Harlem and East Harlem. None of
them cared. North, Shackley,
Armetage.
(then...)
There’s one thing I wish I could have
done. They put one of my men in
prison - to keep him quiet. A Green
Beret. Sandy. He’s going to be
there the rest of his life. I had
tapes. His diary. I could have done
something and gotten him out... If
they hadn’t done this to me, I
would have.

EXT. SANTA FE VETERANS CEMETERY — DAY

A coffin draped with the American flag is lowered


into a grave.

Dee, Tom, their two children, Pasqualle and a number


of close family and friends watch. As the mourners
begin to drift away, Pasqualle steps to Dee.

PASQUALE
Your father was a good man. He did
more for the Country than you will
ever know.

DEE
Dad lasted four years, Uncle Pasqualle.
Dialysis three times a week was the only
Thing that kept him alive. During
those four years, he told me plenty.
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PASQUALE
And now that he’s gone? What are
you going to do?

DEE
About what?

PASQUALE
About what he told you.

DEE
He didn’t want to die with a
guilty conscience.

PASQUALE
I heard someone broke into the
garage. Al’s foot locker disappeared.

DEE
Of course. You would know.

PASQUALE
You’re not angry?

DEE
Dad always said that foot locker
was his insurance policy.

PASQUALE
You’re not planning on repeating
anything he told you?

DEE
I’m not going to do anything. Dad
needed a confessor. I was it.

Pasqualle smiles.

PASQUALE
Good girl. Your father was always
very proud of you.

DEE
Well, I was always very proud of him.

EXT. SANTA FE VETERANS CEMETERY — LATER

Dee sits on a bench, alone in the shade of a tree.


She watches a maintenance crew as they cement a grave
marker at Al’s grave.
33

As the men finish, they collect their things and ride


off on a small flatbed.

Dee stands and heads over to her father’s grave site.


Sadly, she looks down at the marker.

The stone reads “Staff Sergeant Albert V. Carone.”


A dark storm begins to brew behind Dee’s eyes.

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Tom is seated in the breakfast area as Dee paces.

DEE
Staff Sergeant? Staff Sergeant?
How can the Army make that kind
of mistake? Dad came out of World
War II a Staff Sergeant.

TOM
Dee, what if it’s not a mistake?

DEE
What if it’s not a mistake?
Of course it’s a mistake. You
and everybody else knows Dad
was a full Colonel.

TOM
Honey...

DEE
No. Dad gave his life for his
country. I am not going to let
anybody take that away.

EXT. US ARMY RESEARCH UNIT — DAY

A four story, block building, it houses the US Army’s


Regional Research Unit.

INT. FIELD OFFICER’S CUBICLE — DAY

A RESEARCH FIELD OFFICER smiles across his desk at


Dee.
34
OFFICER
Ms. Ferdinand, I understand you
came all the way up here from
New Mexico?

DEE
This is where everyone told me
I need to start.

OFFICER
You’re looking for information
about...?

DEE
My father.

The Officer turns to a database terminal.

OFFICER
Name.

DEE
Carone, Albert, V.

The Officer enters the name. Waits.

OFFICER
Sometimes it can take a minute
or two.

DEE
It’s not a problem, as long as I
can get Dad’s headstone replaced.

OFFICER
His headstone.

DEE
The Army put a headstone on his
grave giving his rank as Staff
Sergeant. He was actually a
Colonel.

Information flashes on the database screen. The


Officer turns to study it. Then...
35
OFFICER
Well, Ms. Ferdinand. I hate to
disappoint you, but our database
has no information about your
father. There are no records of
anyone named Albert V. Carone.

DEE
That’s impossible.

OFFICER
Carone. C-A-R-O-N-E. Is that the
correct spelling?

DEE
Yes.

OFFICER
Sorry. No records for anyone with
the last name Carone.

DEE
Well, your records are wrong. I
have his uniform. Pictures. Pay
stubs. He was a full Colonel.

OFFICER
If you want to pursue this further,
you’ll have to contact the
Department of the Army in Arlington.

Her mind spinning, Dee gathers her things and exits.

EXT. BANK OF NEW MEXICO — DAY

It’s a small branch office in Rio Rancho.

INT. LOCAL BANK — DAY

Dee sits across from a Bank OFFICER. He examines a


check.

BANK OFFICER
Ms. Ferdinand, I’m at a loss to
explain this, but there is no
record of this account ever
existing.

Dee opens a passbook. Shows it to the Officer.


36
DEE
That’s not possible. That check
is from this bank. This branch.
Here’s the passbook. Here are
the statements. The last deposit
was made a month ago. Fifty
thousand dollars. There is a
balance of over two million dollars
in this account. Look!

BANK OFFICER
I’m sorry. I don’t know where you
got those statements. We have no
record of that account.

Dee waves the passbook at him.

DEE
It’s a joint account.

BANK OFFICER
There is no such account.

Dee waves the bank statements angrily.

DEE
What the hell is this?

BANK OFFICER
I really couldn’t say, but I would
appreciate you lowering your voice.

DEE
Lowering my voice? Lowering my voice?
You gotta be fucking kidding!

BANK OFFICER
Security!

A uniformed SECURITY OFFICER starts over.

DEE
All right. But you have not heard
the last of this. Not by a long shot.

EXT. SOCIAL SECURITY ADMIN. OFFICE — DAY

Another local office in Rio Rancho.


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INT. SOCIAL SECURITY ADMIN. OFFICE — DAY

Dee sits in front of another BUREAUCRAT, her eyes


glued to the screen of another database.

DEE
This is his social security card.
You want me to read the number again?

BUREAUCRAT
I’m sorry, Ma’am. I can’t pull up
that number. And if I can’t pull it
up, that means it was never issued.

DEE
Never issued.

BUREAUCRAT
That’s right.

DEE
You’re telling me my father never
even existed.

BUREAUCRAT
No. I’m telling you that number was
never issued. We have no record for
an Albert V. Carone.

Dee studies the Bureaucrat. Frustrated, the futility


of her efforts are beginning to merge into a single
realization. Her father’s very existence has been
erased by something or someone in the U.S. Govern-
ment.

EXT. SANTA FE NEW MEXICO — DAY

The State Capitol buildings and square.

INT. CONGRESSMAN’S OFFICE — DAY

The Reception Office of Senator Dominici. A STAFFER


gazes across his desk at Dee.

DEE
The State Department tried to
confiscate Dad’s passport. They
told me there was no record of it
ever being issued.
38
She holds up the Passport, its pages filled with
entry and exit stamps from dozens of foreign coun-
tries.
DEE
Is that why there are so many
official stamps in it? Because
it was never issued?

The Staffer thumbs through the Passport, intrigued.

DEE
The Department of Motor vehicles
confiscated Dad’s driver’s license
when I showed that to them. And
his car - registered in his name –
is now miraculously registered in
my name. The only thing so far
that’s come to me since his death.

STAFFER
And you want the Congressman to look
into the retirement you say is due
your family?

DEE
They’ve taken everything else away.
We’re no different than any other
serviceman’s family. We’re entitled
to something.

STAFFER
Well, I hate to disappoint you,
Ms. Ferdinand, but we’ve tried
to locate your father’s military
records as well, and with no better
result than your other inquiries.
I’m sorry. There simply aren’t
any records.

EXT. CARONE GARAGE — DAY

Angry, Dee unlocks the garage door. Enters.

INT. CARONE GARAGE — DAY

Dee doesn’t hesitate. She steps to the back shelf.


She focuses on the empty void where her father’s foot
locker had once safely resided.
39
INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Dee paces in the kitchen. Tom is at the breakfast


table. Al Junior watches TV in the family room.

DEE
I am not going to sit still and let
them wipe my father off the face of
the earth like a bad spill.

TOM
Well, it does prove one thing.

DEE
His foot locker disappearing?

TOM
That all the things he told us...
about the covert operations.

DEE
Yeah. It was all true.
(then...)
That’s never been a question.

TOM
Well, it sure seems to be a
question for a lot of other people.

DEE
They’ve got no right to take him
away from me like this.
(then...)
What about the people he worked with?

TOM
Bill Casey is dead... but there
must be hundreds of guys who worked
in Military Intelligence. We’ve
just got to find them.

EXT. CONFERENCE CENTER — DAY

Dee walks from a parking lot toward the Conference


Center. A sign at the door: “Welcome Military In-
telligence Retirees”
40
INT. CONFERENCE AREA — DAY

A SPEAKER is at the podium...

SPEAKER
It’s great to see so many of you
here today.

Dee enters. She scans tables of older, retired of-


ficers as waiters begin serving plates of chicken.

SPEAKER
You know, there are thousands of
us who keep in touch and stay on
top of what’s going on in Military
Intelligence today.

Dee takes a photo of Al from a folder and steps to a


table. She holds the photo up for the closest to
see.

DEE
This is my father, Colonel Al Carone.
Does anyone here recognize him?

The speaker continues as Dee shows the picture to


everyone at the table...

SPEAKER
But there are also too many of
our colleagues who drop out of
sight or lose touch with one
another, and I want to tell you
about something just over the
horizon that’s going to make it
a lot easier for the M.I. community
to stay in touch. It’s something
called the Internet.

At a table closer to the podium, ROBERT MAHEU, a


balding businessman in his late sixties, reminisces
as Dee works her way through the tables.

MAHEU
It was 1960. I got a call from
Colonel Edwards, third man under
Allan Duelles. Dulles had decided
that the best way to get rid of
41
MAHEU (Cont.)
Castro was by ordering a hit
through the Mob. He knew they were
furious with Castro for closing
down their operations in Cuba.
And, if they got caught, the media
would think they were working on
their own.

Dee works her way closer, as...

MAHEU
I knew a guy named Johnny Rosell.
He put me together with two good-
fellas, a guy named Sam Gold and
another guy he just called Joe.
It turns out Sam was none other
than Sam Giancana and Joe was an
even bigger fish, Santos Trafficante,
the guy who used to run things for
the Mob in Havana.

Dee is now showing the photo of her father to the men


at the next table.

MAHEU
Johnny didn’t just need a little
help from these guys. He needed
their permission. Trafficante
was connected inside Cuba but
Johnny couldn’t approach Trafficante
without going thru Giancana.

Dee steps to the table. Maheu stops as all eyes turn


to Dee.

DEE
I’m looking for anyone who knows
my father, Colonel Al Carone. He
spent his life in Military
Intelligence. Anybody recognize him?

Dee holds up the picture. Maheu reaches for it.

MAHEU
Let me see that.

Dee hands Maheu the photo. Maheu examines it


closely, then...
42

MAHEU
This is your father?

DEE
He died recently, and now the Army
is telling me he never existed.

MAHEU
Yeah. I’ll bet.

DEE
You knew him?

MAHEU
Sure. I knew Al. A lot of people
knew Al Carone.

Dee is nearly in tears hearing this.

DEE
Of course.

MAHEU
So, what do you want from the Army?

DEE
The Army says he never existed.
Dad served his country, just like
all of you. It’s not right for
them to sweep him under the rug.

A quiet and solemn agreement sweeps the table. Maheu


hands the photo back to Dee.

MAHEU
There’s only one guy I can think
of who may be able to help you.
His name is Theodore Shackley.

DEE
I know that name.

MAHEU
You should. Al worked for him.
You call Shackley. If anybody can
put things straight, it’s him.

DEE
Thank you. Thank you so much, Mr...
43

MAHEU
Maheu. Robert Maheu.

DEE
Thank you, Mr. Maheu.

MAHEU
Tell Ted I told you to call.

Dee starts off toward the entrance.

MAHEU
So, we had to make a choice - do
we put a bullet in Castro’s head,
or use poison?

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Dee opens her father’s phone book. Runs a trembling


finger down the page till she finds “Shackley,
Theodore.”

Dee picks up the phone. Punches in the number. A


moment later we HEAR the phone RING at the other end.
A VOICE answers.

VOICE
Hello?

SCREEN SPLITS TO INCLUDE:

INT. THEODORE SHACKLEY’S STUDY — DAY

THEODORE SHACKLEY, about 63, a thick skinned covert


bureaucrat, his hair still blonde, challenges Dee
with silence.

DEE
Mr. Shackley?

SHACKLEY
Who’s this?

DEE
My name is Dee Ferdinand Carone.
A man named Robert Maheu suggested
that I call you.
44
SHACKLEY
Oh?

DEE
Mr. Maheu reminded me that you worked
with my father, Al Carone?

SHACKLEY
He did, eh?

DEE
Mr. Shackley, my father served his
country without question for forty
years.

SHACKLEY
What is it you want, Ms. Carone?

DEE
The headstone the Army put on Dad’s
grave gives his rank as Staff Sergeant.
But you and I both know he was a
Colonel.

SHACKLEY
Why do you think I know anything about
your father?

DEE
Because Dad told me everything. He
told me how the two of you worked
together in the Golden Triangle.

SHACKLEY
I’m afraid I don’t know what you’re
talking about.

DEE
Oh, please. I know all about your
work in Viet Nam. Robert Maheu
confirmed you’d worked together.

SHACKLEY
Well, while I may have known Colonel
Carone, that doesn’t mean he and I...

DEE
Then you knew he was a Colonel.
45
SHACKLEY
Well, yes. Of course he was. Your
father was very well thought of...

DEE
In the Agency.

SHACKLEY
Yes. In the Agency.
(then...)
What is it you really want, Ms.
Carone?

DEE
I want Dad’s head stone changed.
He was a Colonel when he died.
That’s how the head stone should
read.

Shackley hesitates. Is it possible this is all the


woman really wants?

SHACKLEY
Ms. Carone, I can’t make any promises,
but I will look into the matter. I’ll
see what I can do.

DEE
Thank you. Thank you very much.

EXT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

A U.S. Postal Service delivery truck pulls to a stop


in front of the house. A Mail CARRIER heads up the
walk to the front door. KNOCKS. A moment later, Dee
opens the door.

CARRIER
Registered letter for Dee Ferdinand
Carone.
DEE
That’s me.

The Carrier holds out a form for Dee to sign. Dee


signs. The Carrier hands her the letter and heads
for his truck. Dee opens the letter. It is printed
on U.S. Army letterhead.
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INT. CARONE KITCHEN — NIGHT

Dee hands Tom the letter.

DEE
The Army says they made a mistake.
They’re going to replace Dad’s
head stone, correcting his rank
to Colonel.

TOM
That’s great news. Maybe now our
lives can get back to normal.

DEE
Normal?
(then...)
Honey, this was just the first round.
They took everything. Dad’s
retirement. His Social Security.
Our bank accounts. I haven’t even
started to fight.

EXT. HIGH SCHOOL — DAY

Al Junior, in his ROTC uniform, counts cadence as his


Unit marches across a parking lot they’ve turned into
a parade ground.

He is unaware of an SUV parked a distance away, its


tinted windows preventing us from seeing who is in-
side.

EXT. CARONE EQUESTRIAN AREA — DAY

Rosie exercises her horse, which is on a tether. She


guides it in circles around her, unaware of...

EXT. CARONE STREET — DAY

Another SUV with tinted windows is parked on the


street. Two men in the car watch Rosie.
47
INT. CARONE KITCHEN — DAY

Dee looks out the kitchen window. Sees the SUV.


Anxious, she calls to Rosie.

DEE
Rosie! That’s enough for today.

Rosie stops. Glares toward the kitchen window, then


spots the SUV. Frustrated, she leads her horse back
toward the stable.

EXT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

A finger presses the door BELL. A moment later, Dee


swings open the front door. MAJOR PAUL DONNELLY
smiles warmly. He is about Dee’s age and is in his
dress greens.

DONNELLY
Hello, Dee.

DEE
Major Donnelly. What brings you
out this way?

DONNELLY
It’s been a while since the funeral.
I just thought I’d come by to say
hello.

DEE
That’s nice. Unexpected but nice.
Come in.

Donnelly enters.

INT. CARONE LIVING ROOM — DAY

Donnelly and Dee step into the room. Donnelly looks


around, finding a framed photo of Al in his Colonel’s
uniform.

DONNELLY
What a nice photo of Al.

DEE
My mother forced Dad to have that
picture taken.
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DONNELLY
He looks very proud.

DEE
He’d just been promoted to full Colonel.
DONNELLY
Your Uncle Pasqualle told me about your
father’s foot locker being stolen.

DEE
Oh?

DONNELLY
That’s a shame.

DEE
Yes, it is.

DONNELLY
But Al must have kept other things.
Photos. Journals. Address books.

DEE
Of course he did.

DONNELLY
And you’ve gathered them all together.

DEE
I’m not quite done.

DONNELLY
You’re trying to find everything
you can, aren’t you.

DEE
Wouldn’t you?

DONNELLY
Dee. You know you can never win.
The more you fight, the higher the
walls will go up around you.

DEE
Is that why you stopped by? To warn me
about the walls going up?
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DONNELLY
You know you and the kids are being
watched.

DEE
You want to know what we’re doing?
Why?

DONNELLY
I don’t want to know. I just want
you to stop. It’s the best thing you
can do...the best thing for everybody.

Dee holds Donnelly’s eyes for a moment. He looks


away, as we...
FADE OUT:

EXT. TRUCK STOP — NIGHT

A small town roadside truck stop. An ominous, black


semi truck-trailer pulls to a stop, a forest of radio
antennas bristling from the trailer top.

VOICE 1
It was 1980, right here outside
Marion, Illinois. First, the black
trailer pulled up. Anybody with
eyes could see it wasn’t a regular
truck. Not with all the antennas
on top. It’s a remote communications
command center for somebody important.
Somebody real important.

Now two black Cadillac town cars pull into the park-
ing lot and men in black suits climb out, heading
inside.
VOICE 1
Then, the foot soldiers arrive.
One is named Vince Foster. You
remember that name from Whitewater,
right?

VOICE 2
Very well.

VOICE 1
Another guy is Russel Herman, who
is a CIA bagman.
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VOICE 1 (Cont.)
And with Herman is another bagman
named Al Carone, who was a very
good friend of William Casey.
(then)
I been watching this group for years.
They’re moving stocks, bonds, money.
Any time this Carone guy turns up,
we’ve followed the trail right back
to Theodore Shackley and CIA.

Another Cadillac town car pulls into the parking lot


now. A man climbs out, flanked by two Secret Service
bodyguards.

VOICE 1
Then the big fish arrives. Everyone
I’ve spoken with swears it was G.H.W.,
which explains the presence of the
big black truck.

SCENE DISSOLVES INTO:

EXT. TRUCK STOP — DAY

It’s the same truck stop, from the same ANGLE.

DATE APPEARS: SEPTEMBER, 1993, Marion, Illinois

INT. TRUCK STOP — DAY

At a table overlooking the parking lot, two men are


talking over coffee. BILL McCOY, a tough, seasoned
Military Intelligence retiree listens carefully to
JIMMY ROTHSTEIN, a retired NYPD detective turned
investigative journalist.

ROTHSTEIN
More pieces of the puzzle.
(then...)
On July first, Vince Foster bought
a ticket to Switzerland, where he
had a secret, numbered bank account.
Eight days later, Swissair refunded
his ticket. Know why?

MC COY
Tell me.
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ROTHSTEIN
Because somebody with his secret
authorization code withdrew all $2.8
million he had stashed in the
account and moved it.
MC COY
Moved it where?

ROTHSTEIN
The U.S. Treasury.

MC COY
The U.S. Treasury.

ROTHSTEIN
On the twentieth, Foster’s body was
found at Fort Marcy Park, across
the Potomac from his office at the
White House.
(then...)
Everybody who ever associated with
Al Carone has turned out to be dirty.
No exceptions.

MC COY
Same thing that happened to Foster
happened to Carone, only a couple
of years earlier.

ROTHSTEIN
And you’re going to talk to his
daughter?

MC COY
When she heard what I was doing,
she couldn’t wait to talk.

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

A KNOCK at the door. Dee steps to the door, opening


it to reveal Bill McCoy.

MC COY
Ms. Ferdinand?

DEE
Yes.
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MC COY
I’m Bill McCoy.

DEE
Come in, please.
McCoy enters. Dee leads him into the living room.

DEE
Coffee, Mr. McCoy?

MC COY
Thank you. No. I’m fine.

Dee motions for him to sit.

DEE
You said you were with Military
Intelligence?

MC COY
I was with the military. Criminal
Investigations Division during Viet
Nam. I investigated the My Lai
massacre. I’m a civilian now.
Licensed private investigator.

McCoy shows her his ID.

DEE
And you want to talk to me about
my father...

MC COY
Right. About the same time your
father died, I received something
from an old Army buddy, Colonel
Edward Cutolo.

DEE
I know that name.

MC COY
He sent me an affidavit describing
an operation code name Watchtower.
Watchtower was a Latin American
narcotics operation the Colonel
ran at the direction of the CIA
and U.S. Army Special Forces.
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MCCOY (Cont.)
At least that’s what Colonel Cutolo’s
affidavit alleges. Your father’s
name comes up at all levels and in
all aspects of the operation.
(then...)
Does that surprise you?

DEE
The only thing that surprises me is
that you’re looking into it.

MC COY
I’m one of those people who believe
the military should stay out of
politics. Not very many of us left.

DEE
How do I know you’re not one of them?

MC COY
One of who?

DEE
The people my father worked with.
Nobody wants me talking about this.

MC COY
They’ve contacted you?

DEE
Contacted me. Threatened me.
They’re watching my children.
They’ve erased my father’s name
from every kind of public record
you can think of. Stolen bank
accounts. You name it, they’ve
done it.

McCoy takes a tape recorder from his briefcase.

MC COY
I don’t doubt it for a minute.
Your father’s Military Intelligence
connections have stopped every
official investigation dead in the
water. You don’t mind if I tape
record your comments, do you?
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DEE
What will you do with it?

McCoy turns on his tape recorder.

MC COY
I’ve been talking to a lot of
people about this. Most are
afraid to come forward. Afraid
of losing their Military benefits.
Their retirement.

DEE
Or of being killed?

MC COY
I’m sorry about your father, Dee.
(then...)
How much did he tell you about his
work?
DEE
Before he got sick, all I knew about
Dad was that he loved his work.
After Dad got sick, his opinion of
the Military changed totally. So
much that he said, “Don’t bury me
in my uniform.” He asked me to burn
it.

MC COY
He never said anything about what
he did till he got sick?

DEE
We all knew who my father was.
It was pretty hard to miss.
(then...)
But our families all followed one
rule. Anything my father discussed
at home was never mentioned outside.

MC COY
This was...

DEE
While I was growing up in Brooklyn.
People were always coming over to
visit Dad...
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INT. AL CARONE’S BROOKLYN BROWNSTONE — NIGHT

Al and his MAFIA FRIENDS are seated around the dinner


table with YOUNG DEE and her SISTER.

DEE (VO)
Uncle Frankie, Joe Pickles, Benny
the Egg, Matty the Horse, and Uncle
Paul. They were always dropping in.

INT. CARONE LIVING ROOM — DAY

Dee and McCoy, as before...

MC COY
Uncle Paul?

DEE
Paul Castellano. The head of the
Gambino crime family.

MC COY
Close family friend?

DEE
Dad was raised by the Family.

EXT. SICILIAN FARM — DAY

A battered work truck rumbles along the border of an


olive orchard.

DEE
My grandparents were major land
owners in Italy. Olive oil exporters.

The truck brakes to a stop. GRANDFATHER CARONE


climbs from the truck to remove a branch blocking the
road. As he gets in the clear, another MAN with a
shotgun steps from behind a tree.

Both barrels EXPLODE and bloody parts of Grandfather


are suddenly flying everywhere.

EXT. NEW YORK HARBOR - 1926 — DAY

A passenger liner docks, the Statue of Liberty in the


b.g.
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DEE (VO)
My Grandmother was left with nothing,
and so she came to New York with her
two sons, my father and his brother.
INT. TENEMENT HALLWAY - 1927 — DAY

SEVEN YEAR OLD AL CARONE bangs on a tenement door.


Inside, the SOUND of MOANING, GROANING and the rhyth-
mic BANGING of a headboard on the connecting wall.

DEE (VO)
Grandma had a hard time making
ends meet and she did anything
she could to keep a roof over her
head.

EXT. TENEMENT BUILDING - 1927 — DAY

Seven year old Al stands alone in front of the build-


ing.
DEE (VO)
So, more often than not, Dad
found himself on the street.
Sometimes an Aunt would take him
in. But at seven years old, Dad
was pretty much on his own.

INT. RADIO STATION - 1928 — DAY

Little Al stands alone in a recording booth. He


studies a sheet of music on a music stand.

In the control room, VITO GENOVESE, a bigtime mob-


ster, is giving a very nervous BUSINESSMAN a shave
with a straight-edge razor. The Businessman’s terri-
fied YOUNG SON hands his script to Little Al, who
waits patiently in the booth.

DEE (VO)
One of Dad’s Uncles was Vito
Genovese. During the 30’s and
40’s, Uncle Vito was the Godfather
of Cosa Nostra. He took Dad under
his wing. Dad ran errands for Uncle
Vito. He started sleeping behind
the bar at one of his neighborhood
joints. Uncle Vito even got dad a
job on a radio commercial.
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A RECORDING ENGINEER cues Little Al. Little Al lifts
his head to the microphone in front of him and
SINGS...

LITTLE AL
On top of spaghetti, All covered
with cheese, I lost my poor meatball,
When somebody sneezed.
(then...)
It rolled off the table, And onto the
floor, And then my poor meatball,
Rolled out of the door.

An ANNOUNCER speaks into another microphone.

ANNOUNCER
Mamma, you want your kids to sing
about your spaghetti? Next time
you go shopping, pick up a package
or two of Prince Spaghetti. Your
family will love you for it.

The Businessman smiles, delighted. Uncle Vito slaps


the Businessman on the back, proud of Little Al’s
performance.

INT. BROOKLYN APARTMENT — DAY

TWENTY YEAR OLD AL CARONE ties a noose around the


neck of a man who lays face down on the floor, his
hands tied behind his back. Al takes the other end
of the rope and begins tying it around the man’s
ankles, pulling the man’s legs behind his back so
tight that the man can’t help strangling himself from
the tension of his own legs. Satisfied with his
work, Al exits, as...

DEE (VO)
By the time he reached his late
teens, dad was working full time
for Uncle Vito. Uncle Vito had
recently lost his first wife had
fallen in love with a married woman.
Dad was only too eager to help his
sponsor solve the problem and in
the process became a made man.
58
The man’s wife and Uncle Vito are revealed a few feet
away from the trussed up man, who slowly strangles,
his eyes bulging as he dies, watching Genovese and
his wife make love.

EXT. NEW YORK SKYLINE - NEWSPAPER MONTAGE — DAY

Newspaper headlines DISSOLVE, one after another,


their headlines mirroring the following...

DEE (VO)
In 1937, Uncle Vito fled the country
to avoid a murder charge. He settled
in Naples, where he worked his way
into the narcotics trade. By the end
of the War, he’d made friends with
the OSS and helped finger key people
in the drug trade. When the OSS got rid
of them, Uncle Vito took over their
businesses.

PHOTO of Albert V. Carone in Army Reserve uniform.

DEE (VO)
Dad had joined the Army and trained
in intelligence and espionage. He
was sent to Naples where Uncle Vito
began teaching him the drug trade.

EXT. BROOKLYN BROWNSTONE - 1945 — DAY

It is the first home of Al Carone and his family. In


TIME LAPSE, the cars and dress of the people on the
street advance from 1945 to 1955, as...

DEE (VO)
After the War, in 1946, Dad went
to work for the New York Police
Department. His shield number was
3283. We lived in a brownstone in
Brooklyn for ten years and during
that time Dad’s Family ties grew
stronger. Everybody came to the
house. Joe Colombo. The Gallo
Brothers. The Bonano Family.
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INT. CARONE BROWNSTONE — NIGHT

LITTLE DEE CARONE and her SISTER eavesdrop on the


Family men who are gathered around the dining table
with her father.

DEE (VO)
Dad worked the 19th and 21st Divisions.
He took over from another cop named
Jimmy Reardon. Dad was the “bagman.”
The guy in the department who delivered
the payoffs and made sure the Department
would look the other way when the drugs
came through.

Little Dee’s ears take in every word as the men con-


tinue to discuss their business.

DEE (VO)
The drugs came into the country
thru Uncle Vito’s OSS connections.
As the OSS evolved into the CIA the
drugs kept coming in. Dad was the
man in the middle, the link between
organized crime and the NYPD.

A hand grabs Dee’s earlobe and drags she and her


sister upstairs, as...

MOTHER
You two keep your elephant ears
away from there. You know better
than that.

INT. CARONE LIVING ROOM — DAY

Dee and McCoy continue their conversation.

MC COY
Your father was with NYPD twenty
years. Twenty years and nobody
ever suspected he was dirty?

DEE
I remember him talking about a
Detective named Jimmy Rothstein
who was investigating corruption
in the department. He said Rothstein
was going to get himself killed if
he didn’t stop snooping around.
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MC COY
I know Rothstein. Did he get close?

DEE
It was when another cop, Pete Perrazo,
got picked up at the airport with a
suitcase full of heroin. Pete was
a Sergeant. Dad paid him ten grand
to pick up the suitcase from an Agency
guy and deliver it to a Family address.
The Agency guy who delivered the
suitcase got away clean, but Pete
was indicted.

MC COY
Perrazo didn’t mention the ten grand
or your father?

DEE
Pete knew who he was working with.
(then...)
Dad’s brother, Pasqualle, was Chief
Psychiatrist for the Department. He
had Pete sent to South Fork, where
he was on staff. He put Pete under
observation for a few days, pronounced
him mentally ill and got the drug
charge dropped. That way Pete could
retire and collect his pension.

MC COY
And your father stayed clean.

DEE
Dad retired in 1966. By that
time we’d been living on Long
Island for ten years. Wontauk.

MC COY
Why all the way at the end of
Long Island?

DEE
Dad liked it out there.

MC COY
A lot of boat traffic in and out
of Wontauk.
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DEE
Right. And by that time, Dad was
working for NYPD and the Agency.

MC COY
“The” Agency.

DEE
Yeah.

MC COY
And you know that for a fact
because...

DEE
Bill Casey was a family friend.

MC COY
The William Casey... ?

DEE
“Uncle Bill” and Dad were friends
from the old neighborhood. During
the War, they were in the OSS together.

MC COY
So they were good friends?

DEE
The best. “Uncle Bill” came to
my son’s christening.

MC COY
Your family had a very interesting
social life.

Dee chuckles, remembering something. Then...

DEE
One time Uncle Bill and Uncle Paul
were at the house for dinner. They
sat across the dining table from
each other. The head of the CIA and
the head of the Gambino Crime Family...
Chatting away like old friends.
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MC COY
About what? Do you remember?

DEE
I’m not sure... I think they both
grew roses.

MC COY
Who else was your father friendly
with?

DEE
You want a list? I’ve still got Dad’s
phone book from back then. It’s full
of people from the military, attorneys
and organized crime.

MC COY
Any names I would recognize?

DEE
Besides William Casey?

MC COY
Yeah. Besides Casey.

DEE
General Richard Stilwell. Theodore
Shackley. Oliver North.

MC COY
Oliver North?

DEE
Dad used to call him “Ollie.”

MC COY
How do you know that?

DEE
That’s what Dad called him.
(remembering...)
And there was a diary... One of the
men’s wives kept a diary. I saw it
once. She wrote down everything her
husband had told her about what he’d
done during the operation you mentioned.
Watchtower.
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DEE (Cont.)
He was support for the planes they
flew in and out of Peru into Panama.
His name was Sandy. He thought
Oliver North was a big hero.

MC COY
Sandy did?

DEE
Yeah. My father wasn’t a big fan
of North’s.

MC COY
He said so?

DEE
When the hearings were on TV, Dad
said North was... It wasn’t
complimentary.

MC COY
Stilwell. Shackley. North. Those
are some big names.

DEE
The only one who went to jail was
Edwin Wilson.

MC COY
I’ve spoken with Wilson. He was set
up as the scapegoat for everything.
He knew the chance he was taking.
(then...)
But Company people aren’t usually
known for discussing their work.
Why did your father tell you all this?

DEE
The cocaine he brought in ruined
a lot of lives. Dad Felt bad about
that. He told me what he’d done.
Some terrible things. He wanted
to clear his conscience.

MC COY
Would you be willing to talk about
this in Court?
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Dee considers the question, then...

DEE
Dad was a patriot, Mr. McCoy. At
least in the beginning.
(then...)
The man my father made his last trip
with... a man named James Strauss...
came to the house not long after Dad
died.

INT. CARONE LIVING ROOM — DAY

James Strauss, the man from the Chapatula massacre,


is at the front door. Recognizing Strauss, Dee de-
bates whether to open the door. Strauss talks
through the door.

STRAUSS
You have nothing to worry about Dee.
I just dropped by to talk.

DEE
I didn’t know we had anything to
talk about.

STRAUSS
Open the door, Dee. I’m a friend.

Dee considers this, unconvinced. After a moment, she


opens the door, keeping the safety chain on.

DEE
Talk.

STRAUSS
I came to see how you’re getting on.

Dee stares at Strauss with contempt.

STRAUSS
Dee, I understand your anger. But
you have to realize, when your father
turned his back on me, he turned his
back on the entire organization. He
knew exactly what the consequences
would be.
65
Dee accepts this, reluctantly.

STRAUSS
The question is, can you bite the bullet
and go on with your life?

Dee smolders for a moment. Then...

DEE
I want what my father worked for.
What he left me. Including the
respect that’s due for the work
he did for his country.

STRAUSS
You know that’s not possible.

DEE
Well, don’t expect me to bite any
bullets.

STRAUSS
That puts us in a very difficult
position, Dee.

DEE
Meaning...

STRAUSS
You know perfectly well we’re not
going to allow you to compromise us.
We’re going to have to put you in
checkmate at all times.

Dee hardens at the threat, her eyes filled with ha-


tred.

STRAUSS
Think of your children, Dee. You’re
vulnerable. You can’t watch them
twenty-four hours a day.

Dee glares a moment longer. Slams the door in his


face.

INT. CARONE LIVING ROOM — DAY

Mccoy digests what Dee has just told him.


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DEE
You want to see something, Mr.
McCoy?
MC COY
Sure.

Dee leads McCoy into the bedroom reserved for Al...

DEE
My father used to travel to the
far east regularly. He would
leave the house, usually with a
briefcase handcuffed to his wrist –
sometimes he was in uniform.
Sometimes in civies. The trips
were usually to Hong Kong. To
the Nugin-Hand Bank. They used
the laundered money to fund black
operations.

MC COY
Who would he see in Hong Kong?

DEE
Frank Nugin or Michael Hand. Michael
Hand was another friend of Dad’s from
the Bronx who later joined Special
Forces.

Dee opens the closet, which is filled with expensive


silk suits.
DEE
Every time Dad made a trip, he would
come back with a couple more suits...
and jewelry for us.

MC COY
Did he mention any other names
connected with Nugin-Hand?

DEE
A lot of names.

MC COY
Do you remember any?

DEE
Some... Harry Wainwright, Paul Halliwell,
Don Beaseley, Edwin Black, Elliot Abrams.
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MC COY
Elliot Abrams was the Assistant Secretary
of State under President Reagan.

DEE
That’s what I’ve been telling you,
Dad worked with a lot of important
people.

MC COY
Abrams plead guilty to two misdemeanor
counts of lying to Congress about the
Contra Program.

DEE
They’re all liars.

MC COY
The last year of his Presidency, President
Bush pardoned him.

DEE
Oliver North worked for Abrams.

MC COY
Most people have completely forgotten.

DEE
I haven’t forgotten. I tried to
contact North several times. Dad
said he went under another name back
then. John Cathey.

MC COY
Ever talk with North?

DEE
I phoned him at his radio talk
show. He was talking about how
terrible drugs are. Running for
Senator at the time.

MC COY
Did he talk to you?

DEE
Hell no. Then I called Shackley.
Shackley told me to try again and
tell him he’d told me to call...
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MC COY
To what end?

DEE
To confirm what Dad told me. But
one of North’s assistants said North
didn’t know anyone named Al Carone
and he didn’t know anyone named
Theodore Shackley.
(then...)
God Damn liars.
(then...)
Shackley gave me North’s attorney’s
number too. Mr. Sullivan. He
wouldn’t return my calls.
(then...)
Mr. McCoy, I know Dad ran drugs with
Ollie North and Manuel Noriega.
They bought them from Pablo Escobar
and the Medelin Cartel.

MC COY
I’ve confirmed a number of black
operations. Amadeus. Sand Man.
Tin Roof. Anyone who threatened the
security of those operations was
eliminated.

DEE
Dad eliminated them. Then they
eliminated him.

MC COY
Dee, thank you for talking to me.
You’ve confirmed everything I’ve
been told.

DEE
What are you going to do?

MC COY
What are you going to do, Mrs.
Ferdinand?

DEE
I don’t know.

MC COY
I think you should find an attorney.
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INT. ATTORNEY’S OFFICE — DAY

Attorney RAY KOHLMAN stares across his desk.

DEE
It’s almost as if you could
read my mind, Mr. Kohlman. I
just started thinking of contacting
an attorney and within a day or
two you call me out of the blue?
How does that happen?

KOHLMAN
I represent someone who knows all
about you. A young man named
William Tyree. He served under
your father in Panama during
operation Watchtower.

DEE
Why didn’t he call me?

KOHLMAN
Because he’s currently living in
a very small jail cell and he can’t
afford to make phone calls.

Dee studies Kohlman, impatient.

KOHLMAN
Like you, he threatened to expose
the narcotics element of
Iran-Contra. His wife was murdered.
He got life in prison. A lot of
people think Bill was set up...

DEE
What do you think?

KOHLMAN
I think you and Bill have a good
case.

DEE
A good case? Against who?

KOHLMAN
The Federal Government.
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DEE
You want me to sue the Federal
Government?

KOHLMAN
Specifically, the CIA, The United
States Army, George Herbert Walker
Bush and the whole cast of characters
who were running things. All of them.

DEE
You’re serious, aren’t you.

KOHLMAN
It’s the best way I can think of
to make people pay attention.

DEE
Sue President Bush? The U.S. Army?

KOHLMAN
And the CIA.

DEE
Can you do that?

KOHLMAN
Of course.

DEE
Can you win?

KOHLMAN
It depends on whether we can
prove your claims in a court
of law. With Mr. Tyree as a
witness, your case is stronger,
but we need witnesses who can
come forward and present evidence.

DEE
Bill McCoy is the only one I know.

KOHLMAN
Where does he live?

DEE
Somewhere in Florida, I think.
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INT. MCCOY’S BEDROOM — DAWN

Bill McCoy is asleep. Through an open window, we see


a convoy of five unmarked and menacing SUV’s ap-
proaching from out of the morning mist. The SOUND of
their tires on gravel wakes McCoy. He checks the
clock. Reaches for his gun.

INT. MCCOY’S HOUSE — DAWN

McCoy’s wife, MARY, sits up in her bed, alone, when


suddenly, A FLASH of EXPLOSIVE LIGHT goes off in the
hallway with a LOUD BANG. Then, the SOUND of many
heavy soled shoes hurrying inside, LOUD VOICES shout-
ing...

VOICES
Federal Officers! Put your hands
up and do not move!

SOUND of GUNSHOTS... McCoy’s 44 Magnum, then return


FIRE from a half dozen automatic weapons.

Mary begins SCREAMING, hysterical. She clamps her


hands over her ears. More GUNFIRE. Then, the door
SLAMS OPEN and four LAWMEN wearing body armor and gas
masks level laser sighted automatic weapons on her.

LAWMEN
Do not move!

INT. KOHLMAN’S OFFICE — DAY

KOHLMAN
I’m sorry, Dee.
(then...)
The local sheriff says the Feds
had information that McCoy was in
possession of Classified documents
and had an illegal firearm. They
got a “no knock” search warrant.
McCoy was killed in the shootout,
so we have only the word of the
A.T.F. and the local sheriff
versus McCoy’s wife.

Dee is revealed seated across from Kohlman. She


fidgets nervously, as...
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KOHLMAN
The sheriff says McCoy opened fire
as they were approaching the house.
McCoy’s wife says they broke down
the front door and set off some
kind of stun grenade in the hallway.
Then, when the police broke down
her husband’s door, she heard her
husband open fire.

DEE
Bill McCoy is dead. That probably
means all the interviews and the rest
of his work has disappeared, doesn’t it.

KOHLMAN
We don’t know. The court has sealed
the case file and nobody will talk
about the nature of the documents.
Whatever they were, the Feds have
sealed everything, claiming they
threaten national security.

DEE
Bill McCoy interviewed dozens of
Special Forces members who’d been
a part of the operations my father
ran. Bill McCoy was the only person
left who could have helped me.

KOHLMAN
There are bound to be others.
We’re just going to have to work
a little harder to find them.

INT. KOHLMAN’S OFFICE — DAY

Kohlman paces, thinking...

KOHLMAN
Your father grew up in the Bronx.
He was adopted so to speak by
Vito Genovese. While he was still
a young man, he became a “made”
member of the Genovese crime family.
About that time, he enlisted in the
military and wound up in Italy,
working for the OSS, where he not
73
KOHLMAN (Cont.)
only got to know William Colby and
William Casey - who would both later
head the CIA - he also happened to
run into Mr. Genovese who’d been
deported... who tutored your father
in the fine points of the drug
smuggling business. Right so far?

DEE
Close enough.

KOHLMAN
When the war ended, Al returned
home where he joined the New York
Police Department, working his way
up through the ranks while paying
his fellow officers to look the
other way and to otherwise allow
the narcotics trade to flourish in
New York.

DEE
Right.

KOHLMAN
As your father’s skills sharpened,
He branched out. He joined
the Army Reserves, working part
time for both the Army and NYPD.
Performing services only someone
with his connections could perform.

DEE
Yes.

KOHLMAN
And, about the time he was ready
to retire from the NYPD, he was
recruited to continue working
both sides of the fence, this
time for the US Army Counter
Intelligence Corp. and the Central
Intelligence Agency. Correct?

DEE
Correct.

KOHLMAN
And, while working as a Colonel in
the US Army...
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KOHLMAN (Cont.)
and under direction from the CIA,
he began importing hundreds of
millions of dollars worth of
cocaine into the U.S.A.

DEE
Exactly.

KOHLMAN
Dee, do you realize how wild this
story sounds?

DEE
It’s not a story. It’s the truth.

KOHLMAN
So you say.

DEE
You don’t believe me?

KOHLMAN
I’m not saying that. What I’m
saying is we’ve got to convince a
court of law that it’s the truth.
How are we going to do that?

DEE
Witnesses.

KOHLMAN
It’s kind of like trying to prove
there was more than one shooter in
Dallas.

DEE
I know. My father was one of them.

Kohlman grimaces. Then...

KOHLMAN
What we need is a witness. Someone
who actually saw something.

DEE
Oliver North.
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KOHLMAN
A friendly witness. North wants
to be a senator.

DEE
All the defendants...

KOHLMAN
...Are going to lie through their
teeth. We need proof.

DEE
What about Mr. Tyree. You said
he’d worked with my father.

KOHLMAN
That’s right. And I haven’t
ruled out the possibility that
there may be a copy of McCoy’s
affidavit somewhere.

DEE
In spite of National Security.

EXT. WALPOLE STATE PRISON — DAY

Walpole, built at the turn of the last century, is as


forbidding a place as can be imagined, thirty foot
brick walls confining nightmares and their secrets
from view.

INT. VISITING CUBICLES - WALPOLE PRISON — DAY

WILLIAM TYREE, forty-five, bespectacled, overweight


from starchy prison food, sits across thick glass
from Dee Ferdinand, Ray Kohlman seated behind her.

TYREE
I was real sorry to learn about
your dad. He was a good man.
Taught me alot.

DEE
You served under my dad in Panama.

TYREE
I served under your father on
three different missions.
76
DEE
But I don’t recall him mentioning
Bill or William Tyree.

TYREE
That’s because he used to call me
“Sandy.”

DEE
He called you Sandy? The Sandy
whose wife kept a diary?

TYREE
That diary got her killed and put me
in here...

DEE
I saw it. I saw your picture and
your wife’s picture in the front.
You couldn’t have been twenty years old.

TYREE
Did you read any of it?

DEE
An Army friend of my father’s sent
it to him asking him to keep it safe.

TYREE
Colonel Cotulo. I served under
him on both Watchtower and Orwell.
He could tell you the whole story,
but he was killed. Car crash.

DEE
Dad was furious that I’d seen it.
He said I knew better than to look
at any of his things. This was back
in 1979, while he was still working.

KOHLMAN
That diary is the missing link that
confirms everything you both need to
prove.

TYREE
And you saw it. You saw Eileen’s
diary.
77
DEE
He didn’t keep it long. The next
time he went to Langley he took it
with him. I never saw it again.

KOHLMAN
Still, it’s enough. You’re not
related in any way other than via
that diary, but it links the two
of you...

DEE
And confirms the cocaine smuggling...

TYREE
Yeah. Through three U.S. Presidents.
Reagan. Bush. Clinton.

DEE
Clinton?

TYREE
Clinton was Attorney General of
Arkansas at the time. Mena,
Arkansas is where they flew in
planeload after planeload of
Columbian cocaine. From the
mid-seventies half way into the
eighties.

DEE
My God. That’s right. Dad told
me he saw him at the airport with
Oliver North and Bush.

TYREE
That’s not all. The guy who locked
me in here and threw away the key
went on to become Attorney General
of Massachusetts. Then he got
elected to the U.S. Senate. As a
Senator, he presided over the
Committee on Foreign Relations, the
Committee that investigated
Government involvement in drug
smuggling. What did his committee
do about it? Nothing. What was
this Senator’s name?
78
DEE
I have no idea.

TYREE
Lets just say he’s a Skull and
Bones brother of the Bushes.

KOHLMAN
Bill’s been researching this thing
pretty thoroughly, Dee.

TYREE
What else am I going to do, living
in an eight by ten cell?

KOHLMAN
We’re going to need you to swear
out an affidavit confirming your
knowledge of the type of work
Colonel Carone was involved in.

TYREE
Happily.

INT. TYREE DEPOSITION — DAY

William Tyree is seated before a black background.


As he speaks, IMAGES illustrating his deposition are
COMPOSITED behind him.

TYREE
My name is William M. Tyree.
I am currently incarcerated within
the Massachusetts Department of
Correction, serving my 19th year
of a First Degree Life Sentence.
My last duty assignment was the
441st Military Intelligence
Detachment, 10th Special Forces
Group, Airborne, Fort Devens,
Massachusets. During the period of
time I was on active duty within
the U.S. Army, I did know, and I did
serve with the individual known as
U.S. Army Colonel Albert V. Carone,
who was a Military Intelligence -
Counter Intelligence Officer.
79
TYREE (Cont.)
I worked with Colonel Carone on a
variety of classified military
operations that the U.S. Army and
U.S. Government does currently deny
ever took place.
(then...)
I was told many things by Colonel
Carone prior to his death in January
1990, and the following things are
some of the bits of information that
Colonel Carone communicated to me.
(then...)
Carone said he had taken money to
a female named Ruth Paine in late
1956, on orders of a friend of his,
William Casey. Carone knew William
Casey through his connections to
the Gambino and Genovese Crime
Families, in which Carone was a
“made man,” and worked as a New
York City Detective “Bagman”
delivering payoffs from the Mafia to
various New York City Police Officers
who were on the take.
(then...)
Carone said that Ruth Paine was
approached by the CIA, through
William Casey to find and recruit
an individual with communist ties
and some type of anti-American
background.
(then...)
Carone said that three individuals
were placed in the area near where
Ruth Paine lived and worked. They
had been deposited so that Ruth Paine
would find them.
(then...)
Carone said this was done so that
there was additional distance between
the CIA, the individual and Ruth
Paine.
(then...)
Carone said when Ruth Paine found one
of the three individuals she would in
turn notify her CIA contact who was
identified to me as George
80
TYREE (Cont.)
DeMohrenschildt, who in turn would
contact his CIA supervisor, identi-
fied to me as George Bush.
(then...)
Carone said that George Bush, of
Zapata Business, was the same George
Bush who was CIA Director and later
Vice President, and then President of
the United States.
(then...)
Carone said that the individual lo-
cated by Ruth Paine was Lee Harvey
Oswald.
(then...)
Carone said that at the time that
Lee Harvey Oswald was recruited,
it was not for any planned assassi-
nation. He was merely part of a
controlled experiment conducted by
CIA doctors.
(then...)
Carone said that his brother, Doctor
Pasquale Carone, was involved in the
controlled experiments conducted
by the CIA known as MK-Naiomi and
MK-Ultra.
(then...)
Carone said that by the time the CIA
finished its mind control experiments
with Lee Harvey Oswald, the experi-
ments would have made him capable of
anything.
(then...)
Carone told me that in 1963, he had
been ordered to shoot JFK at the
Dallas Airport, in Texas. Carone
said he had been given a bolt action
rifle, Russian made, with a tele-
scopic lens, but could not get a
clear field of fire at JFK,
and therefore, didn’t want to upset
the apple cart by taking a shot that
might miss, and alert everyone than
an attempt had been made on the life
of JFK.
(then...)
81
TYREE (Cont.)
Carone said he had went to Dallas in
1963 on orders from William Casey.
That he had been joined there by
several other U.S. Military personnel,
all of whom had some part in
the overall operation to kill JFK.
(then...
Carone said he had approached Jack
Ruby prior to the murder of JFK, and
Ruby was aware of what was going
to happen to JFK, and was part of the
overall plan to murder JFK.
(then...)
I will testify to the contents of
this affidavit in a court of law.

EXT. RAY KOHLMAN’S OFFICE — DAY

A Mailman stuffs envelopes into the mail box.

INT. RAY KOHLMAN’S OFFICE — DAY

A Secretary deposits mail on Kohlman’s desk. Among


the letters there is a large envelope.

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Dee steps to the RINGING phone.

DEE
Hello.

INT. KOHLMAN’S OFFICE - INTERCUT

KOHLMAN
Your case is getting stronger by
the minute, Dee. I just received
an affidavit from an anonymous
source. Guess whose affidavit it is?

DEE
Tell me.

KOHLMAN
It looks like a sworn affidavit
from William Casey. You’re not
going to believe who witnessed it.
82

DEE
Tell me.

KOHLMAN
Richard Nixon.

DEE
Isn’t it strange that someone
would just drop something like
that in the mail to you?

KOHLMAN
There are a lot of people in
positions of power who privately
take issue with what The Company
doese. Your case is an
opportunity to do something about
it.
(then...)
Listen to this. It’s going to blow
your mind.

INT. OFFICE OF WILLIAM CASEY — DAY

CASEY is at his desk in the Director’s office at CIA.


As he speaks, IMAGES illustrating his deposition are
COMPOSITED behind him.

CASEY
I, William J. Casey, declare: I
have found that freedom is a price-
less commodity that demands con-
stant vigilance to guarantee its
longevity.
(then..)
I was assigned to the Office of
Strategic Services in London, En-
gland, during World War II. During
that time I befriended a young
German soldier named Gunther. I
used Gunther and several other
young anti-Nazi German prisoners of
war on OSS operations within Nazi
Germany.
(then...)
I knew this violated the Geneva
Convention. I did not care.
83
CASEY (Cont.)
The Geneva Convention was but a set
of rules governing man’s atrocities
committed in the name of political
ideology. To wage war with rules
is to prolong human suffering.
Open warfare is the last resort of
a civilized nation and must be used
sparingly. Wars must be fought
savagely utilizing all tools and
tricks at hand. Gunther was a
tool. Ignoring the Geneva Conven-
tion was the trick.
(then...)
After I became Director of Central
Intelligence on January 28, 1981, I
was approached and briefed by Will-
iam Colby, former DCI. My history
with Bill Colby is known. Colby
notified me off the record of two
operations he was still running in
Latin America. Both operations
were without knowledge and consent
of the United States Congress,
President Ronald Reagan, or even
the United States Intelligence
apparatus. Colby identified the
operations as “Red Mist,” and
project “Sandman.” Sandman entailed
smaller operations.
(then...)
I was told that Red Mist identified
individuals and the build up of the
communist threat in Latin America.
Some intelligence collected in Red
Mist was used in Task Force-157.
(then...)
I was told that Sandman was “the
Phoenix program” of Latin America.
It involved the assassination of
the communist infrastructure
throughout Latin America.
(then...)
I was told that Colby authorized
assets involved in Red Mist and
Sandman to engage in narcotic’s
trafficking to finance both opera-
tions.
84
CASEY (Cont.)
Colby engaged in similar operations
that I know of in Vietnam for the
same reason.
(then...)
Colby candidly informed me that he
had prepositioned more than one
million pounds of cocaine in Panama
between December 1, 1975 and April
1, 1976. This was done with the
aid of our gallant ally, General
Manuel Noriega.
(then...)
The cocaine was transported into El
Salvador, Costa Rica and Honduras
between 1976 and 1981. Colby now
sat in front of me with hat in hand
and requested my help in the deliv-
ery of the cocaine to the American
market.
(then...)
I was told that Colby was using a
mutual friend of ours, Colonel
Albert Vincent Carone, United
States Army, Military Intelligence,
to field Red Mist and Sandman. Al
Carone is a charismatic patriot
that General Joseph W. Stilwell
introduced us to in late 1945.
Beside the usual qualifications, Al
Carone brought to the anti-commu-
nist effort a direct connection to
his long time friend, Vito
Genovese. Genovese was head of the
gambling and narcotics for the
controlling family in New York to
which Al Carone was a made member.
Carone is a friend of international
fugitive, Robert Vesco. Carone has
several anti-communist intelligence
sources that include Maurita
Lorenz, a friend of Fidel Castro.
Al Carone is the younger brother of
Doctor Pasquale Carone. Dr. Carone
worked for Central Intelligence on
other matters.
(then...)
85
CASEY (Cont.)
Colby told me that profits from the
prepositioned cocaine would be
laundered through Al Carone, the
New York Mafia, and Robert Vesco,
then redirected to the anti-commu-
nist effort through Colby.
After discussions with Al Carone, I
made the decision to bring the
prepositioned cocaine into Mena
airport, Mena, Arkansas. Central
Intelligence has used Mena airport
on prior occasions. This time the
cocaine is the tool. The trick was
to ignore the law and avoid public
scrutiny. We were helped in our
effort by William J. Clinton, and
William F. Weld.
(then...)
By 1984 all prepositoned cocaine
had arrived at Mena airport, and
additional cocaine sources were
secured. Cocaine was being trans-
shipped through Hanger Four and
Five at Ilapango Airbase, El Salva-
dor. My point man at Mena was
Alder Berriman Seal. Barry Seal.
(then...)
Bill Clinton has proved invaluable
so far by containing the local law
enforcement investigations into the
intelligence activity at Mena.
Bill Weld, as Assistant United
States Attorney, was placed in
charge of the Criminal Division of
the Department of Justice.
This was done so that Bill Weld
could control investigations into
Mena by federal law enforcement
agencies. This placement of Weld
has proved invaluable to date.
I ordered John Poindexter, Robert
McFarland, and Oliver North to go
outside the normal channels and use
available assets, including the
Mafia, to ensure the arrival of the
cocaine into Mena airport.
86
CASEY (Cont.)
The arrivals occurred in no small
part through the efforts of person-
nel assigned to the National Secu-
rity Agency, and Army Security
Agency. The men and women of the
NSA and ASA, blinded early warning
defense satellites, and radar
grids to enable the aircraft to
land undetected at Mena airport.
The NSA and ASA operations were
“Sea Spray” and “Jade Bridge.”
(then...)
I have learned that the course of
Democratic struggle for Nicaragua,
and latin America is beginning to
swing in our direction. I at-
tribute this success to Projects
Red Mist and Sandman which Bill
Colby had the insight, precision
and spine to carry out. I take
notice of the heroic efforts of Al
Carone, Bill Clinton, Bill Weld,
John Poindexter, Bud McFarland and
Ollie North. Without these men,
Red Mist and Sandman would not have
appeared.
(then...)
Freedom is a priceless commodity.
The amount of freedom you enjoy is
a result of the amount of vigilance
you invest. My actions may be
recorded as criminal, condemning
countless Americans to drug depen-
dency. I don’t care. All wars
produce casualties. Generally the
more violent the war, the shorter
the length. My choice was either to
stare down a protracted cold war
guerrilla insurgency in Latin
America or use the means available
to finance and wage a violent war
of short duration for democracy.
I stand by my decision. The tool
is cocaine. The trick is to under-
stand that the drug user had the
freedom to make a choice. They
chose the drug. I chose to use
their habit to finance the democ-
racy that all Americans enjoy.
87
CASEY (Cont.)
To keep Americans safe from the
communist threat knocking on our
back door in Latin America. For a
change the drug user will contrib-
ute to society.
(then...)
I declare under penalty of perjury
that the above facts are true and
correct to the best of my knowledge
and belief. Executed this 9th day
of December 1986 in McLean, Vir-
ginia.
(signs)
William J. Casey.

INT. RAY KOHLMAN’S OFFICE — DAY

Kohlman on the phone with Dee. Across from him, in


shadow, two UNIDENTIFIED MEN in dark suits watch,
as...
KOHLMAN
Now, Dee, with the sworn affidavits
of William Tyree and Bill Casey, I
think we’re starting to build a
case that holds water.

INT. CARONE HOUSE — INTERCUT

Dee considers this, impressed.

DEE
What do you mean, starting?

KOHLMAN
The Government is going to come
at us with all they’ve got. We
need every shred of evidence we
can gather.
(then...)
I want to come out to New Mexico.
Take a video deposition from you
and your husband for the record.
While I’m there, we can go over
anything else you might be able
to find. All right?

DEE
You really think there’s a chance
we can win, don’t you.
88
KOHLMAN
I wouldn’t invest all this time
and effort if I didn’t.

DEE
What are the odds against winning?

KOHLMAN
I don’t want you thinking that way.

DEE
What if we lose, Ray?

KOHLMAN
I’ll be out there next week. We’re
not going to lose.

The two Suits sitting across from Kohlman smile as he


hangs up.

EXT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

A rental car is parked in the driveway.

KOHLMAN (VO)
This is the second affidavit that’s
been sent to us anonymously.

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Dee studies an affidavit, fascinated.

DEE
Sworn by my father? Don’t you want
to know where it came from?

KOHLMAN
Of course, but there’s no way to
trace it. It just arrived in the
mail. First Class. No return address.

DEE
No one else could have written this.
That’s my father’s signature.
After all this time... someone sends
it to you? Why?
89
KOHLMAN
Do you want to exclude it?

DEE
We can’t exclude it. It’s my father
talking from the grave.

Dee studies the document, as...

INT. BLACK BACKING — DAY

Colonel Albert Vincent Carone is in Uniform, seated


facing us. He addresses CAMERA. As he speaks,
IMAGES illustrating his deposition are COMPOSITED
behind him.

AL
I am Albert V. Carone, Colonel,
United States Army. Social Secu-
rity number 067-16-1826, born July
8, 1922. Per request of William E.
Colby, former Director of Central
Intelligence, and William J.
Casey, current DCI, I file this
declaration.
(then...)
I grew up in Brooklyn, New York,
and was befriended by Mr. Vito
Genovese. Mr. Genovese was an
Italian businessman. In time I
learned that Mr. Casey was a friend
of Mr. Genovese. Mr. Genovese
introduced Mr. Casey as a man he
had known since Mr. Casey attended
elementary school in Elmhurst, New
York. I was also introduced to Mr.
Colby. I became good friends with
Mr. Colby, and Mr. Casey.
I did visit Mr. Casey at his
Mayknoll estate, and his 2501
Massachusetts Avenue, Washington,
D.C., residence. I have received
telephone calls at my home from
both Mr. Colby and Mr. Casey. Mr.
Casey was present when my
grandson Vincent was christened.
(then...)
90
CARONE (Cont.)
As an officer in the United States
Army, Military Intelligence, I have
worked for the Central Intelligence
Agency for over twenty years. At
the time of my recruitment, I was a
Detective in the New York City
Police Department. I was recruited
to act as liaison between the CIA
and certain Chinese and Italian
businessmen in New York City. Mr.
Genovese was one of the Italian
businessmen in this liaison. These
businessmen had the abiity to pro-
vide accurate general intelligence
and logistical support for world
wide intelligence activities.
(then...)
During my tenure I had the privi-
lege to work directly with Presi-
dent Richard M. Nixon, General
Joseph Stilwell, General William P.
Yarborough, Colonel Michael Hand,
Colonel Edward Cutolo, Colonel A.J.
Baker, Colonel Oliver North, Colo-
nel Michael Hirari, Carlos Gambino,
Paul Castellano, Sam Giacana, John
Gotti, Richard Armitage, Robert
Vesco, and Barry Seal. I have
worked indirectly with Spiro T.
Agnew, General Richard Secord, and
Ted Shackley.
(then...)
During my tenure I was involved in
some capacity with the following
significant intelligence activities
in Latin America or Africa. Some
of these activities involved the
Intelligence Support Activity. Red
Mist, 1973-1975. Identifica
tion of the communist infrastruc
ture. Sandman, 1975-1979. Elimi-
nation of the communist infra-
structure in Latin America.
(then...)
Second project Sandman, 1980-1984.
Elimination of the communist infra-
structure, including Task Force
91
CARONE (Cont.)
Bravo, Operations Yellow Fruit, Sea
Spray and Omni Unit. Also opera-
tions joined in by the Medellin
Cartel, the Meneses Cartel and the
Cali Cartel.
(then...)
Operation Watchtower involved drug
trafficking to finance anticommu-
nist ativities between 1975 and
1984. Operation A-11 - cocaine
flown from Colombia and
prepositioned in Panama - 1975 to
1976. A-12 - cocaine transshipped
from Panama to prepositioned areas
in Costa Rica, El Salvador and
Honduras - 1976 to 1981. A-13 -
surveillance carried out within the
United States to learn if A-11 and
A-12 were discovered. Cover sto-
ries included surveillance UP AR
340-18-5, surveillance of left wing
radicals and surveillance of tax
protesters.
(then...)
A-14 - 1982 to 1984. Cocaine flown
from Costa Rica, El Salvador and
Honduras into Mena, Arkansas. The
cocaine is received and distributed
by Italian businessmen associated
with Mr. Genovese to fund anticom-
munist activities in Latin America
and Africa.
(then...)
Profits from A-14 were laundered
per order of Mr. Casey. I used
Robert Vesco to launder some of the
profits from Watchtower.
I had originally met Mr. Vesco
during a money laundering operation
that involved Colonel Michael Hand,
of the Nugan-Hand Bank. I returned
a majority of the profits from
Watchtower through the Import-
Export Bank, which Mr. Casey had
managed until 1975. I also used
the banks of BCCI, BNL, BCP, and
the Intermaritime Bank of New York.
92
CARONE (Cont.)
Mr. Alfred Hartman was simulta-
neously on the Board of Directors
of all four banks. Mr. Hartman was
a close friend of Mr. Bruce
Rappaport. Mr. Rappaport was a
confidant of Mr. Casey, and also...
indirectly involved in the
Intermaritime Bank. These various
connections served the intelligence
activities well. Mr. Casey also
directed me to launder profits
through various intelligence assets
at the New York Stock Exchange;
London Stock Exchange, Chicago
Options Exchange; and the Continen-
tal Illinois National Bank and
Trust Company of Chicago.
(then...)
Operations A-1 through A-8 were
originally authorized by President
Nixon. A8A through A8C and A-9
through A-14 were authorized by Mr.
Colby. A7A through A7G were autho-
rized by Mr. Casey. Per order of
President Nixon, all activities
were compartmentalized. In my
estimate, based on observation and
communication, this greatly reduced
the general possibility of compro-
mise. It also increased the like-
lihood of success.
(then...)
In my estimate, based on observa-
tion and communication, Cuba was
one of the most troubling areas by
1970. It served the communist
community throughout the world,
specifically in Latin America and
Africa. President Nixon, Mr. Colby
and Mr. Casey saw the potential
threat of Cuba and began Red Mist.
The subsequent intelligence activi-
ties served to reduce the exporta-
tion of communism by Cuba. Among
the most significant assassinations
that involved assets from Project
Sandman were – President Richard
93
Ratsimandrava, shot in Tananarive,
February 1975. General Murtala
Ramat Mohammed of Nigeria, killed
by revolutionaries trained by mili-
tary personnel assigned to Project
Sandman, February 1976. President
Marine Ngouabi, shot in
Brazzaville, Congo, March 1977.
Alberto Fuentes Mohr, former Minis-
ter of Finance, Guatemala, January
1979. Manuel Colom Argueta, former
Mayor of Colom, Guatemala City,
March 1979, and general David
Cancinos Barrios, Guatemala, June
1979.
(then...)
In my estimate, based on observa-
tion and communication, the Minute
Man, On The Job Training Program
created by Mr. Colby was entirely
successful. I have filed my recom-
mendations on this program with Mr.
Casey. I reiterate the need to use
the Program more often. It is low
key, and allows for easier troop
deployment without attracting at-
tention. These Minute Man troops
can - undergo expedited training as
needed, be returned to their units,
recollected and deployed as circum-
stances dictate. From a security
standpoint, it would be hard to
track their movements.
(then...)
In my estimate, based on observa-
tion and communication, the finan-
cial funding provided by Watchtower
was critical to help offset the
impact of the first Boland Amend-
ment. A portion of Watchtower
funding was even used to finance
Task Force Bravo soldiers who were
attacking communist bastions in
Central America. This assignment
was comprised largely by soldiers
from Special Operations. By late
1984, with the second Boland Amend-
ment in effect the funding from
94
CARONE (Cont.)
Watchtower had become the main
financial source holding the Cen-
tral American effort together.
There were several contributions
from Saudi Arabia and other private
sources, but Watchtower remained a
chief source of funding. Much of
the funding from Watchtower went
through “The Enterprise,” estab-
lished by Lieutenant Colonel Oliver
North. Without his efforts in
purchasing and delivering badly
needed materials into Central
America the anti-communist effort
would have suffered severe set
backs.
(then...)
Per order of Mr. Casey, my last
action on these intelligence ac-
tivities was to supervise the sani-
tation and/or destruction of re-
lated records. This included the
Minute Man Program records. Due to
the meritorious actions recognized
on the part of all forty-nine mili-
tary personnel assigned to the
Minute Man Program, a case by case
determination was made by Mr. Colby
as to which records would be sani-
tized and/or destroyed. Records
selected by Mr. Colby were shredded
and burned to ensure these intelli-
gence activities would not be com-
promised prior to completion.
(then...)
As an officer in the United States
Army, I take responsibility for my
actions listed within which were
undertaken to ensure the national
security of the United States.

INT. CARONE HOUSE — DAY

Dee looks up from the affidavit.

KOHLMAN
I’ve checked the names and dates
95
of the assassinations your father
listed. They’re all accurate.

Dee is speechless, on the verge of tears.

DEE
I’m sure they are. Dad was
scrupulous about keeping accurate
records.

KOHLMAN
Are you and Tom ready for your
depositions?

DEE
Yes.

INT. THOMAS FERDINAND DEPOSITION — DAY

Again, in front of the familiar black b.g. Is THOMAS


FERDINAND, the middle-aged husband of Dee. As he
speaks, IMAGES illustrating his deposition are
COMPOSITED behind him.

THOMAS
My name is Thomas E Ferdinand. I
am the son-in-law of Colonel Albert
Carone. I was dating his daughter
Desiree in the late 1960’s. I
would always see Colonel Carone in
military uniform, and on many occa-
sions I would see him being picked
up by military car.
(then...)
After Desiree and I were married in
1971, there were many occasions
that my father-in-law would ask me
to drive him to Fort Hamilton,
where he would assume command of
the Fort for weekend duty.
(then...)
As my relationship with my father-
in-law grew, we would discuss mili-
tary and political issues. He
explained to me that when he was
with NYPD he did work with the CIA,
and also that his job with the
military was Military Intelligence.
(then...)
96
FERDINAND (Cont.)
Many of his missions were to run
drugs and guns, to get money for
black operations because they could
not get funding through proper
channels. He had stated that there
was a mechanism all the way through
Latin America for this purpose.
Planes could fly virtually undetec-
ted and that the hard part was
transporting the money. He men-
tioned Colonel Oliver North, who he
referred to as an asshole. He
mentioned William Colby, and did
travel with General Richard
Stillwell on numerous occasions. I
discussed the right and wrongs of
the drug trafficking with my fa-
ther-in-law and he stated “when you
work for the Agency you do what you
are told to do, and you do not know
what the big picture is.”
(then...)
On a few occasions I personally
took my father-in-law to Kennedy
Airport, where I was instructed to
drive through to the restricted
area. He showed some type of I.D.
was let through and boarded a mili-
tary helicopter.
(then...)
I know my father-in-law had connec-
tions to organized crime at the
highest levels. They attended our
wedding. I have been in the com-
pany of Paul Castellano, Joe
Percillia, Santos Trafficante. I
have also been in the company of
William Casey, as he was at my
father-in-law’s home for the chris-
tening of my son.
(then...)
When my father-in-law and I had a
serious discussion on organized
crime and the CIA my father-in-law
stated, “they work hand in hand
together.”
(then...)
In 1985, my father-in-law went on a
trip to Mexico with a gentleman by
97
FERDINAND (Cont.)
the name of James Straus. Upon his
return, my father-in-law was very
uneasy. I asked him what the prob-
lem was and his comment to me was,
“that he had enough and he was
getting out.”
(then...)
I tried to pursue the matter and he
refused to discuss it. In 1985 my
father-in-law became very ill.
There were many trips to the hospi-
tals. The Doctors seemed to have
problems in finding the cause to
his illness. Doctor James Thesing
stated in his report that there was
chemical toxicity of unknown etiol-
ogy. My father-in-law stated to me
that his illness was terminal and
that he needed to get back to New
York as soon as possible, as there
was business that needed to be
taken care of.
(then…)
He was told that he was too ill to
travel, and that if he told me what
needed to be done that I would do
it. He stated that that was impos-
sible - that he was the only one
that could do this. He stated that
there was a wrong done to a Green
Beret that he called Sandy, and
that he needed to get to his logs,
journals, diaries, and tapes. At
this time - 1987 - he was too ill
to accomplish what needed to be
done.
(then...)
My father-in-law stated that the
suits had gotten to him and that he
was “not long for this world.” I
was told that we were not to trust
anyone, including his brother,
Pasquale, because they were moni-
toring the situation and we would
have to be very careful of what was
said and who it was said to.
98
FERDINAND (Cont.)
My father-in-law passed away in
January, 1990. He was buried at
Santa Fe National Cemetery with
Honors. His headstone read Staff
Sgt. Carone. I knew this was
wrong, but in trying to correct
this matter we found that the mili-
tary was in total denial of this
man. They stated that he was never
in the Armed Forces.
(then...)
At the same time, all bank accounts
in my father-in-law’s name and my
wife’s name vanished. There were
no records on file as to his pass-
ports. Social Security records
showed three different birth dates.
NYPD had no file on him. They
virtually made this man vanish.
(then...)
I am very proud to be the son-in-
law of Colonel Albert V. Carone.
I have seen the medals that this
man has won, and it is very dis-
turbing to me that a man that did
so much for his country, whether it
be right or wrong, can be made to
vanish for the sake of black opera-
tions for this government.
(then...)
I, Thomas E Ferdinand, duly swear
that to the best of my knowledge,
what I have stated is the truth as
I was told.

EXT. KOHLMAN’S OFFICE — DAY

The Postal Person arrives again with a certified


letter. Kohlman’s Secretary signs for it.

INT. KOHLMAN’S OFFICE — DAY

The efforts of months of preparation are evidenced by


stacks of affidavits, declarations, xeroxed files and
videotaped declarations. Kohlman is on the phone...
99
KOHLMAN
Dee, the documentation we’ve put
together stands over six feet tall.
This is one of the most impressive
cases I’ve ever brought against
the Government. But I have to
tell you. The Defendants have filed
a Motion to Dismiss. I just received
a copy. We won’t know how the Judge
is going to rule until our first day
in Court.

EXT. FEDERAL COURT BUILDING, WASHINGTON D.C. — DAY

LOCATION ID: Febrary 29, 2000 - U.S. Federal Court,


Washington D.C.

Kohlman, Dee and Thomas start up the steps into the


Court building. Behind them, assistants haul a num-
ber of boxes filled with the affidavits, declarations
and files.

DEE
Seems to me there should be a
reporter somewhere. Somebody besides
us who’s interested in this case.

KOHLMAN
Patience, Dee. Once we start putting
witnesses on the stand, the press is
going to pack this court to overflowing.

INT. FEDERAL COURT — DAY

Kohlman leads the Ferdinands and his team along a


corridor to the Courtroom of Ricardo M. Urbina. Two
armed security Officers stand guard at the door.

SECURITY OFFICER
Names and ID.

KOHLMAN
Raymond Kohlman. Thomas and Desiree
Ferdinand. Support staff from my firm.

The Security Officer checks his calendar.


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SECURITY OFFICER
Kohlman?

KOHLMAN
Right.

The Officer steps to the side, opening the door.


As Dee and the others follow Kohlman inside...
It is a small court room. Kohlman and his Team
settle in at the plaintiff’s attorney’s table, Thom
and Dee behind them.

DEE
What was that all about?

KOHLMAN
Apparently the judge has ordered
the proceedings closed to the public.

DEE
Is that legal?

KOHLMAN
He’s a Clinton appointee. He may
have some National Security concerns.
We’ll try to work around them as
we go.

Opposite, four U.S. Dept. of Justice Attorneys in


their ubiquitous black suits finish organizing their
files. Kohlman glances over. One of the attorneys
smiles and nods.

Dee sees the exchange. Turns to Thom.

DEE
I don’t like the looks of this.

A BAILIFF steps forward.

BAILIFF
All rise. United States Federal Court,
District of Washington D.C. is now in
session, the Honorable Ricardo M.
Urbina presiding.

JUDGE URBINA enters. He is in his late forties,


Hispanic but looks black, with greying dark hair...
101
He takes his seat at the bench.

JUDGE URBINA
Civil Action Number 00-403-RMU.
This case comes before the court on
the defendants’ motion to dismiss.
The plaintiffs, Desiree Carone-
Ferdinand and Thomas Ferdinand...
seek thirty-eight million dollars
from Federal Defendants, the Cen-
tral Intelligence Agency and the
United States Army, Oliver North
and James Robert Strauss for al-
leged theft of insurance policies,
bank accounts and other property.
(then...)
The plaintiffs claim that the de-
fendants knowingly diverted the
personal property of Albert V.
Carone, Desiree Carone-Ferdinand’s
father, for their own or other
persons’ use through, inter alai,
fraud, larceny, and embezzlement.
Specifically, the plaintiffs claim
that the defendants took these
steps to cover up Mr. Carone’s
participation in government sanc-
tioned illegal activity.

Judge Urbina looks over his reading glasses at


Kohlman and the Ferdinands. The look is long, dis-
dainful and a precursor to...

JUDGE URBINA (Cont.)


Plaintiffs allegations encompass
events spanning the last 60 years.
They involve organized crime fami-
lies, two previous Directors of
Central Intelligence and three
United States Presidents.
(then...)
Plaintiffs claim that ten years
ago, the federal government killed
Ms. Carone-Ferdinand’s father and
stole the property at issue in this
lawsuit to cover up Mr. Carone’s
role in various government covert
operations.
102
JUDGE URBINA (Cont.)
According to the plaintiffs, Mr.
Carone had a very diverse resume
which included stints - at various
times - as a “made” member of the
Genovese Crime Family, a detective
in the New York Police Department,
a Colonel in the U.S. Army Military
intelligence-Counter Intelligence
Corps, and a CIA operative.
(then...)
As recounted in the complaint,
during the Second World War, Mr.
Carone was introduced to Mr. Will-
iam Colby and Mr. William Casey,
both of whom would go on to serve
as DCI. Impressed with Mr.
Carone’s charisma and patriotism,
as well as his dual status as a
member of the Genovese Crime family
and an NYPD detective, the CIA
allegedly recruited Mr. Carone to
act as liason between the CIA and
certain Chinese and Italian busi-
nessmen in New York City.
(then...)
Plaintiffs claim that for the next
forty some years, Mr. Carone helped
import cocaine into the United
States on direct orders of the CIA.
The profits from the cocaine sales
were then laundered through orga-
nized crime operations, and were
ultimately funneled to CIA-sanc-
tioned, covert, anti-communist
activities. One of the largest
shipments that Mr. Carone allegedly
facilitated was the importation of
more than one million pounds of
cocaine between 1976 and 1981.
(then...)
This cocaine was allegedly brought
into the United States by way of
Mena, Arkansas, population 5,475.
Though one might think the importa-
tion of more than $40 billion worth
of cocaine into one municipal air-
port over a five year period would
arouse suspicion, but law enforce-
ment was kept at bay through the
103
JUDGE URBINA (Cont.)
efforts of one William Jefferson
Clinton.
(then...)
At the time in question, Mr.
Clinton was the Attorney General of
the State of Arkansas.
(incredulous)
The complaint also indicates that
Mr. Carone’s duties were not only
limited to drug trafficking. In
one memorable assignment, Mr.
Carone was ordered to assassinate
President John F. Kennedy.
(speechless, then...)
According to the Plaintiffs, Mr.
Carone’s affiliation with the CIA
ended in 1985. During a two week
trip to Chapatulla, Mexico with
defendant Strauss, Mr. Carone “de-
stroyed an entire village of men,
women and children.” Apparently
after this incident, Mr. Carone
had a change of heart and decided
that he would no longer assist the
CIA in its assassinations and drug
trafficking.
(then...)
The Plaintiffs believe that as a
result, the CIA or people affili-
ated with the CIA poisoned Mr.
Carone, leading to his death in
1990.
(then...)
The Plaintiffs claim that in 1996,
they located a William M. Tyree,
who verified much of Mr. Carone’s
story. After further inquiry, the
Plaintiffs allege that they were
able to determine that the named
defendants stole Mr. Carone’s es-
tate to cover up his role in the
Iran-Contra affair and other clas-
sified operations.

Clearly disturbed by the charges, Judge Urbina pauses


to catch his breath.
104
JUDGE URBINA (Cont.)
It is well settled law that “the
federal courts are without power to
entertain claims otherwise within
their jurisdiction if they are ‘so
attenuated and unsubstantial as to
be absolutely devoid of merit.’”
This circuit has stated that
dismisal under 12-b-1 is appropri-
ate “when the complaint is ‘pa-
tently insubstantial’ presenting no
federal question suitable for deci-
sion.”
(then...)
The D.C. Circuit explained that for
claims to be considered patently
insubstantial, they cannot merely
be doubtful or questionable, but
rather they have to be “essentially
fictitious.” Examples of essen-
tially fictitious claims are “bi-
zarre conspiracy theories,” “fan-
tastic government manipulations of
one’s will or mind,” and “any sort
of supernatural intervention.”
To support the allegations in their
complaint, the Plaintiffs have
presented affidavits from Mr.
Albert Carone, Mr. William Tyree,
Mrs. Desiree Carone-Ferdinand, Mr.
Thomas Ferdinand, Mr. William
Casey, and a book exerpt that ap-
pears to be based largely upon
declarations similar to those in
Mrs. Carone-Ferdinand’s affidavit.
The complaint appears to be the
very type of “bizarre conspiracy
theory” that the D.C. Circuit has
said warrants dismissal under Rule
12-b-1. For example, the declara-
tion of former Director of Central
Intelligence William Casey is so
obviously false as to cast doubt on
the plaintiffs’ entire case. The
document’s frequent misspellings,
absence of grammar, bizarre free-
association and flippant admission
of criminal activity by high-rank
105
JUDGE URBINA (Cont.)
ing government officials, including
Mr. Casey himself, establishes its
own falsity and the patent absur-
dity of plaintiffs’ claims.
The Plaintiffs would have this
court believe that Mr. Carone
played the role of Forrest Gump,
popping up as a key player in vir-
tually every prominent government
conspiracy therory promulgated over
the past 50 years. This court
simply cannot view any of the
plaintiffs’ claims as plausible,
especially in light of the complete
lack of even a scintilla of evi-
dence except for one patently
forged document and self-serving
declarations. While the complaint
may be worth entering in a creative
writing contest, it was not worth
entering in court of law.
(then...)
Accordingly, the court dismisses
the case pursuant to Rule 12-b-1.

Judge Urbina brings his gavel down.

JUDGE URBINA
Case dismissed.

Behind Kohlman, Dee sits in stunned silence. As


Urbina steps down from the bench and the Defense
attorneys pack up, Kohlman turns to Dee.

KOHLMAN
I’m sorry, Dee.

DEE
We lost?

KOHLMAN
I’m afraid so.

DEE
But we can appeal, can’t we?

KOHLMAN
Not after this.
106
DEE
We get nothing?

KOHLMAN
I’m in touch with several publishers.
There might be a book or a movie deal.

DEE
But you were so confident.

KOHLMAN
I’m sorry.

Dee turns to Thom. He starts to put his arms around


her, but she pushes him away.

DEE
I don’t want a hug. I want my money!

EXT. FEDERAL COURT BUILDING, WASHINGTON D.C. — DAY

Dee and Thom come from inside. Dee wipes tears from
her eyes as Kohlman and his assistants pass, starting
down the broad marble steps.

KOHLMAN
I’ll give you a call in a few days.
Maybe the people who published the
Martin Luther King conspiracy book
will be interested.

Dee watches as Kohlman continues down the steps.

DEE
What would that be worth?

KOHLMAN
Could be millions.
(then...)
I’ll call you.

Dee stands, stunned, her hopes for restitution and


vindication now impossible.

EXT. SANTA FE VETERANS CEMETERY — DAY

The corrected grave marker for “Colonel Albert


V.Carone” has been set in the ground. Dee stares
down at it, exhausted.
107
After all this, the only thing that has changed is
her father’s headstone.

From a distance away, Dee stands, a lonely figure


among the grave sites.

Still further away, the grave markers are now a sea


of dots in a field of grey, with Dee a mere speck.

As a gentle breeze blows. The silence of the thou-


sands of deceased military men and women becomes an
enormous presence, all their blood, suffering and
sacrifice begging one single question:

“WILL THE TRUTH EVER BE TOLD?”

END CREDITS ROLL:

Albert V. Carone
Col. U.S. Army Air Corps.
07/08/1922 - 01/07/1990
Buried at Section 6 Site 5039
Santa Fe National Cemetery
Santa Fe, NM
108

Desire Carone-Ferdinand
(from 1998 deposition video)
ADDENDUM ATTACHMENTS

Deposition of Desiree Carone Ferdinand (A)


Affidavit of William Wilson (B)
Affidavit of Col. Edward P. Cutolo (C)
Affidavit of Raymond B. Kohlman (D-1)
Declaration of William J. Casey (D-2)
Affidavit of Raymond B. Kohlman (D-5)
Declaration of Albert V. Carone (D-7)
Chase Bank Letter to William E. Colby (D-12)
Declaration of Howard M. Fish (D-13)
Photo of Albert V. Carone (D-15)
Declaration of Thomas E. Ferdinand (D-16)
Bill Clinton Statement on Mena, AK (E-1)
Deposition of William C. Duncan (E-2)

A-1
Your Honor, Ladies & Gentlemen, today is September 29, 1998.
The following deposition is being videotaped by Gary
Farnsworth of Audio Video Documentation Services,
Albuquerque, New Mexico, 7167 Corrales Road, Corrales, NM
in the matter of :
_______________________________________________

William M. Tyree, Jr.,


Plaintiff
vs.
Central Intelligence Agency,
L. Scott Harshbarger,
A. Paul Celluci,
George Bush,
Dois Gene Tatum,

Defendants.

Case No. 98-CV-11829 JLT

Filed in The United States District Court, District of Mass.

This deposition has been noticed by the plaintiff. The deponent is Desiree A.
Ferdinand. The time is now 10:05 a.m.

Counsel will now identify himself for the record.

Raymond D. Kohlman of Attleboro, MA

Penelope J. Parigo, Notary Public, will now swear in the deponent.

Do you swear that the testimony that you are about to give is the truth, the whole
truth and nothing but the truth?

DF: Yes I do.

RK: Good morning.

DF: Good morning.

RK: Are you okay?

DF: I'm fine.

RK: Okay, I would like you to look at this please and can you tell me what it is?

DF: It is my father's death certificate.


A-2
RK: When did your father die?

DF: January 7, 1990.

RK: Okay. How long had he lived here in New Mexico?

DF: Since 1980.

RK: Okay. What was your father doing at the time of his death?

DF: He was retired.

RK: What was his previous employment?

DF: He originally was with the military and then he went into New York City
Police Department and did

crossover work with Central Intelligence Agency and while he was with the
military until his death, he was with

Military Intelligence, Counter Intelligence Corps.

RK: So you stated that before he worked for the New York Police Department
he was in the military?

DF: Yes.

RK: Okay. Was he buried in a military cemetery?

DF: Yes.

RK: Would you look at this please and then you can show it to the camera if you
wish. What is that?

DF: It is his internment record at Santa Fe Veteran's Cemetery in Santa Fe, New
Mexico.

RK: Does that anywhere have his rank?

DF: Yes it does. It has his rank of Staff Sergeant, which is inaccurate.

RK: Okay. Now would you look at this please and show it to the camera?

DF: Okay.

RK: What is that?

A-3
DF: That is my father's headstone, which reads Albert V. Carone, Colonel, U.S.
Army.

RK: So we went from Staff Sergeant to Colonel?

DF: Yes.

RK: At his death?

DF: My father was a full bird Colonel at the time of his death.

RK: Okay, in spite of the fact that the internment record stated Staff Sargeant?

DF: Yes.

RK: Can you explain what happened?

DF: When my father died in 1990 and he was buried, it took about a month for
the headstone to be placed and when it was placed it was placed as Staff
Sargeant. I went to the cemetery and I told them there was a mistake. They had
turned around and told me I would have to notify the U.S. Army Personnel in St.
Louis. I did that. St. Louis came back and told me there was no record of Albert
V. Carone ever being in the military. They sent me a letter, or Patricia Moore
sent me a letter stating there was no record and he never existed. A disagree-
ment occured that he was buried at Santa Fe National Cemetery and he was in
the military. They had told me that that was not the case. In 1992, I
started…well, from 1990, from that point on I started trying to put together the
pieces of my father's military because I was in possession of a great deal of
military records from the army. I wound up going to a retirement luncheon at
Kirtland Airforce Base in Albuquerque for retired intelligence people and I
brought a military picture of my father with me. A man that was there by the
name of Robert Maheu stated that he recognized him from Washington and the
Pentagon and told me that what I needed to do if he had been in Intelligence or
worked with Central Intelligence Agency, which he did from 1966 on, that I
needed to call Theodore Shackley.

RK: Okay. Had you ever heard that name before?

DF: Yes.

RK: How?

DF: My father.

RK: Okay. So Mr. Maheu said contact Mr. Shackley. Did you?

DF: Yes I did.

A-4
RK: And what did Mr. Shackley say?

DF: He originally stated that he would not confirm or deny ever knowing
Colonel Carone. He asked me what I wanted. I told him that I wanted my
father's headstone changed since at one time he had worked with my father with
the Golden Triangle in Vietnam. He stated that he did not know what I was
talking about and what did I really want from him? I told him that I wanted my
father's headstone changed. I stated that if my father worked for them all those
years and if he was in the military all of those years then he would be buried
with his rank as he was buried with full military honors.

RK: Let me stop you for just a moment here. When you talked with Mr.
Shackley did he refer to your father as Colonel Carone? Not Albert Carone?

DF: Yes he did. Colonel.

RK: Not Mr. Carone?

DF: No.

RK: Specifically stated Colonel?

DF: Colonel.

RK: Okay. Please continue.

DF: We ended the phone conversation and he told me that he would see what he
could do but he could not promise me that he could do anything and he did not
feel that he needed to help me in any way. Ten days to the date of my conversa-
tion with Theodore Shackley I received an interoffice memo stating that my
father's headstone would be changed.

RK: Is this what you are referring to as the interoffice memo?

DF: Yes it is a routing and transmittal slip. It is sent to me and it states that "we
are returning your father's military records. Headstone has already been ordered
with Colonel on headstone. Thank you, Joseph Levato."

RK: Now at your father's death, he, let me refer to this. He authorized the
document?

DF: Yes.

RK: Is that the document?


DF: Yes, it is my Power of Attorney.

RK: Okay. So in effect, you had control of all the property?

A-5
DF: Yes I did.

RK: Okay. Have you to this date received all the property?

DF: No.

RK: Now when I say received all the property, did your father indicate what he
had?

DF: There were bank accounts. There were insurance policies. At my father's
death, there were bank accounts that I was on with my dad. They disappeared.
My father's driver's license,there was no record of. Social Security stated that
there was never a man by the name of Albert Carone that existed. There was no
military records that existed. My father's car he had left to my daughter. When I
went to transfer the title into my daughter's name, which my father bought this
car off of the floor brand new, the title was not in my father's name. It was in my
name as the original buyer. Anything that was in my father's possession had
disappeared.

RK: Okay. Again, to this date, have you received any property that belonged to
your father at his death.

DF: No.

RK: When was your father's birth date?

DF: July 7, 1922.

RF: Okay. And his father's name?

DF: Vincent.

RF: And his mother's name?

DF: Angelina.
RK: And in New York City?

DF: Yes.

RK: How long did he live in New York City?

DF: Dad lived in Brooklyn until 1955 and then he moved to Wantaugh, Long
Island until 1979. The latter part of 1979 and then he moved to Rio Rancho,
New Mexico in 1980.

RK: Okay. Did he have a lot of brothers and sisters?

DF: He had a brother. There were three sisters and two other brothers. The only
A-6
one that was alive was his brother Pat, Pasquale.

RK: Is Pasquale still alive?

DF: Yes.

RK: And where does Pasquale live?

DF: Bayport, Long Island.

RK: Is he employed?

DF: Semi.

RK: What does he do?

DF: He is a psychiatrist.

RK: Has he been a psychiatrist for as long as you have known him?

DF: Yes.

RK: Does he work at a hospital or….

DF: South Oaks Hospital in Massapequa, Long Island. He is a consultant and I


think he still works possibly one day a week.
RK: Did he work anywhere else?

DF: He was the head psychiatrist for the New York City Police Department and
also for the Diocese in Rockville Center Roman Catholic Church.

RK: So the Police Department, the church and the hospital?

DF: Yes. He also wrote two books. One on drugs, LSD, and another one on
alcoholism.

RK: Would you please look at that?

DF: That is my father's brother, Pasquale.

RK: And this?

DF: My father's brother, Pasquale.

RK: The same gentleman?

DF: Yes.

A-7
RK: Would you show that to the camera?

DF: Sure.

RK: And when was that picture taken approximately?

DF: I do not know. From the wallpaper, it had to be in Wantaugh, Long Island
because this was the house in Wantaugh. It was probably around the time of my
son's first or second birthday around 1973 or 1974.

RK: I have this here. Would you look at that?

DF: Okay. Do you want me to show this to the camera?

RK: Sure. Now can you identify any of those persons?

DF: This man in the middle is my Uncle Gene. This is my grandfather, Vincent,
on my mother's side and this is my Uncle Alex. This gentleman I do not know
and this is a man that was known as Nelly.

RK: Okay. What did Nelly do?

DF: Every gentleman in this picture was associated with organized crime. My
grandfather was a loan shark and racketeer.

RK: When you say organized crime, is there another name that it is known by?

DF: Cosa Nostra or Mafia.

RK: Okay. And you said all of the gentlemen there were associated?

DF: Yes.

RK: Was your father associated?

DF: Yes.

RK: How did that association begin?

DF: When my father was around six years old, my grandfather, Vincent, was
involved in the import/export business of olive oil out of Cortone, Italy. My
father's family owned a town or were the major landowners in Cortone. My
grandfather had a great deal of money. He died when my father was about three
years old. My grandmother lost all of what my grandfather had built up. She had
a store. My grandmother wound up destitute and my father pretty much started
living on his own at about six or seven years old because when my grandmother
used to entertain gentlemen, she would lock my father out of the apartment and
he would sleep onwhat was known as a stoop. In Brooklyn, they used to have
A-8
the stairs going up. He started eating out of garbage cans and his father's Aunt
Lizzie and a lot of the aunts would take care of him at times. There was a bar
down the street, I don't remember the name of the bar. It was in the White Hook
section of Brooklyn. There was a gentleman there by the name of Vito
Genovese.

RK: Now, there are a lot of Genovese's in New York.

DF: Vito Genovese, the godfather of La Cosa Nostra back in the 30's and 40's.
He was one of the heads of the La Cosa Nostra so what he would do is give my
father sometimes five cents, sometimes ten cents, sometimes twenty-five cents
to run either money or papers to different people. He used him as an errand boy.
There were many times that my father wound up sleeping in the bar at night.
They would let him stay there. He kind of wound up under Vito Genovese's
wing. When my father was between six and eight years old, he even got him a
job singing for Prince Spaghetti on the radio doing commercials. So he wound
up being brought up by Vito Genovese and his loyalty held no bounds to these
people.

RK: And he continued this association with the Genovese family?

DF: Until Vito Genovese died.

RK: Did his association then change?

DF: It went to Joseph Colombo. My father knew the Gallo brothers, Joseph
Gallo but I cannot remember his brother's name. The Mazzaratti family, the
Colombo family. At the time that my father was in Brooklyn, he dealt a great
deal with the main head which was Gambino himself, and he was very close to
Joe Colombo, the
Bonanno family, Joe Bonanno, and he was very close to Paulie Castelano.

RK: Okay. Did you know Mr. Castelano by any other name?

DF: Uncle Paul.

RK: Would you please look at this?

DF: Okay.

RK: Can you show the camera and identify those people?

DF: Yes, one is my husband, Thomas. The other one is a man by the name of
Angelo Crocci.

RK: Was Mr. Crocci employed?

DF: Yes. Well he was self-employed.


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RK: And what was his business?

DF: He had a bar and the bar was a front for racketeering and for running
numbers and bookmaking.

RK: What does your husband do?

DF: He is in telephone communications.

RK: Thank you.

DF: This is my Uncle Jimmy Madeira. I refer to him as uncle but he was first
cousin to my father. His nickname was the Fish. He worked as a longshoreman.

RK: Please show the camera.

DF: Sure.

RK: Was that his only job, longshoreman?

DF: Yes, but he had ties to organized crime from my dad. This is my godfather,
Pete Porazzo. He was in the New York City Police Department and was a
Sargeant with the New York City Police Department. He was involved with a
man by the name of Bob Leuci and my father, as far as drug running, coming in
through CIA into organized crime to put it on the street.. He was indicted, caught
at Kennedy International Hotel. He was indicted. He was sent to South Oaks
Hospital, which my Uncle Pat, Pasquale Carone, was head at the time. He
wound up getting his entire retirement because Uncle Pat stated he was mentally
ill. I cannot tell you the amount of kilos that he had of cocaine. There was
cocaine and heroin involved and the payoff to him was ten
thousand dollars.

RK: Do you know who gave him the money?

DF: No, I do not.

RK: Now you stated that your father was a New York Policeman?

DF: Yes.

RK: Your father was Italian, full Italian?

DF: Yes.

RK: Did your father speak Italian?

DF: No.
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RK: Did your father speak any foreign languages?

DF: Yes. He spoke Japanese, he spoke Chinese, he spoke Korean and he spoke
Vietnamese.

RK: Now your father was in the war, the Second World War?

DF: Yes.

RK: And continued his career until what date with the military?

DF: Probably 1986 or 1987.

RK: Do you know where he was stationed during the Second World War?

DF: South Pacific.

RK: Do you have any more specific locations?

DF: No, I just know he was in the South Pacific. But I also know that at one
point he was in the European theatre. According to his military records, when he
was supposed to be in the South Pacific, a lot of military records that I have of
my dad, he was also in the United States at the same time so I really can't tell
you where he was and what he was doing.

RK: But he was in the service?

DF: Oh yes.

RK: Could you tell me what that is?

DF: If is a wedding picture of my mom and dad with my Aunt Mary, who was
my mother's aunt, and with my father's nephew, Louis Madera.

RK: Thank you.

DF: You’re welcome.

RK: Would you please look at this?

DF: Okay. My father's honorable discharge papers, a separation center from Ft.
Dix on November 12, 1945 when he came back from the war.

RK: And what is on the other side?

DF: His name, his organization, his address, what his MO was.

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RK: And what was his MO?

DF: Intelligence and CI. He went to school, according to these papers, for
intelligence and espionage.

RK: Have you seen this before?

DF: Yes. These are part of my file. This is a copy of an original that I have of my
dad's papers, Commissioned Officer School for Anti-Aircraft Training Center,
Riverside, California.

RK: Would you look at that please?

DF: This is a breakdown of platoon leaders.

RK: Platoon leaders where?

DF: In New York.

RK: Does your father's name show up there?

DF: Yes it does. His unit commander was Major Paul Donnelly. The gentleman
that he answered to was Captain Walter Copacz and then came my dad, and my
father was the platoon leader.

RK: Did you meet any of those gentlemen?

DF: Oh yeah, Major Donnelly. I have never met Captain Copacz but I have
spoken to him on numerous occasions.

RK: Okay. Could you show them?

DF: Sure.

RK: Can you identify that?

DF: It is a letter from my cousin Louis, okay, to Brigadeer General James.T.


Brown. I hereby certify that Albert Carone, a candidate for commission as
second Lieutenant 23rd Regimen New York Guard has been well known to me
personally for more than ten years. In my opinion, the moral character, personal
habits and reputation of the candidate are excellent and he is very deserving of
the commission of aforesaid. Respectfully yours, Louis Madera.

RK: And that was commission as an officer?

DF: Yes. May 1946.

RK: Now during this period of time, was your father employed other than in the
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service?

DF: In 1946 he went to New York City Police Department.

RK: Have you seen that before?

DF: Yes.

RK: Would you show the camera? What is that?

DF: I would say, it was for training at the Police Academy.

RK: What does that document indicate?

DF: That he went into the police department shield #3283.

RK: Can you find your father's name on that roll?

DF: Yes.

RK: Would you show the camera?

DF: Albert V. Carone, ninth from the top. These are the police department's
order of retirement midnight December 31, 1966 Albert V. Carone, shield #3283,
81st Precinct, Bedford Stuyvesant, and he was appointed into the police depart-
ment on September 21, 1946.

RK: Could you show that please? What other precincts do you know that he was
assigned to?

DF: I think at one time my father was with the 42nd but my father mainly
worked for the 19th division and I think the 21st division because my father had
taken over the job of what is known as Bag Man, from a man by the name of
Jimmy Reardon, also known as Squire Reardon. Bag Man was the man who got
the payoffs for the police department to look the other way.

RK: And your father took that job over from Reardon?

DF: Yes.

RK: Do you know why he took it over from Reardon?

DF: No, I really don't. I just know that there was drugs with the families
involved. The agency, the CIA, was bringing in drugs and dad was the liaison
between organized crime families because my father was a made man with
organized crime; he rode both sides of the fence. They used dad for it so dad
used to take the payoffs from different people and there were certain people in
the police department that were paid off to look the other way.
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RK: How do you know that he played both sides of the fence?

DF: Because when I was growing up it was discussed in the house.

RK: Between who?

DF: My mom and dad. My sister and I would be there all the time. There would
be other people that would be there. You could not help but overhear what was
going on. And yes we did have elephant ears as children.

RK: Would you please identify that.

DF: My father's telephone book.

RK: Would you show it to the camera?

DF: Sure.

RK: You don't have to open it up. At approximately what time did your father
own that book?

DF: This book is ancient. This book was always in our house in 81 Leanne
Terrace and 82 Leanne Terrace in Wantaugh.

RK: Have you read that book?

DF: Sure.

RK: So you have an idea of what is in it?

DF: Definitely.

RK: Can you give me an idea of the people who are in it? What kind of people?

DF: Okay. There are military people in here. There is attorneys that worked with
the agency and also with organized crime. There are organized crime figures in
here.

RK: And you received that book when?

DF: When my father died it was in his possessions.

RK: Would you look at that please?

DF: Headquarters Infantry School, Ft. Benning Georgia, Award Certificate for
Master Sargeant Albert V. Carone. Do you want me to hold this up?

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RK: Yes. And that was a completion certificate?

DF: Yes.

RK: And does it state what course he completed?

DF: Precommission extensive course of the only extension course program.

RK: So it was prior to his being commissioned?

DF: Yes. Army Intelligence School, Ft. Hollobird of Maryland. Sargeant Albert
V. Carone has successfully completed the Army Counter Intelligence Corps
investigations course from October 16, 1956 to October 26, 1956.

RK: Now do you know anything about Ft. Hollobird now?

DF: No.

RK: Your father never mentioned that? Now the date on that was, what was the
last date on that please?

DF: October 26, 1956.

RK: And what was his rank?

DF: Sargeant.

RK: And what do you have before you?

DF: The people of the state of New York, New York National Guard.

RK: Does it give a rank?

DF: Second Lieutenant Infantry.

RK: Who is that for?

DF: My dad, Albert Vincent Carone.

RK: Would you show that to the camera please? So we have him flip-flopping
back and forth?

DF: You could say that.

RK: From an enlisted person completing a precommission course in 1956 and


being a Second Lieutenant prior to 1956?

DF: Right.
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RK: Would you look at that please? What is that?

DF: Transfer to Reserve List; Grade of Second Lieutenant.

RK: What is the date?

DF: July 8, 1946.

RK: Now, do you know if your father received any promotions?

DF: Yes. Dad received promotions. We had a big party for him when he received
his promotion to Major and it was about three or four months after he went to
Pennsylvania to the War College.

RK: Do you remember the year?

DF: I think it was around 1968.

RK: Okay. Would you please look at that.

DF: This is my father.

RK: Could you show the camera? What is the rank for that picture?

DF: Major.

RK: Now is that an official photograph?

DF: Yes it is.

RK: Do you know where the full size of this photograph is?

DF: No, I don't.

RK: Do you happen to remember now, he was a Major here in this photograph,
do you happen to remember his commanding officer?

DF: No.

RK: Do you recognize this?

DF: Yes, this is Colonel Buskirk. He lived here in Albuquerque.

RK: Is that one word…

DF: One word…Colonel Winfred Buskirk.

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RK: What relationship did he have with your father?

DF: My father worked with Colonel Buskirk. He was CIC.

RK: Do you know what those letters stand for, CIC?

DF: Counter Intelligence Corps.

RK: Did he work with your father here in New Mexico?

DF: We came down to see Colonel Buskirk about four or five different occa-
sions. He was really close with the Colonel. I know they worked together but I
can't tell you where they worked. I just know we used to come down and visit
him. Colonel Buskirk had come up to New York a couple of times to spend a
week or two weeks with us at a time. He is deceased. Headquarters Counter
Intelligence School, First Army Intelligence School at Ft. Slocum.

RK: Have you seen that document before?

DF: Yes. This is a copy of one of the originals that I hold.

RK: How did you get the original?

DF: Dad had a file and he kept a lot of his papers. I originally had all of his
papers but my father had moved out of his home at 200 Wyoming Autumn and a
lot of his papers from 1958, 1960 had disappeared with his footlocker.

RK: From his home?

DF: Yes, from his garage.

RK: After his death?

DF: Yes.

RK: Did your father leave a will?

DF: No, excuse me, it was before his death.

RK: Where was your father at the time?

DF: He was living in apartments in Corales, New Mexico. He moved out of his
home at 200 Wyoming Autumn.

RK: Someone broke into the garage?

DF: I would tend to think so since I was the only one with the key and I did not
take the footlocker.
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RK: Did you talk to your father about that incident?

DF: Yes.

RK: And he did not give them to anybody, the documents.

DF: No.

RK: Was that the only break-in to his property?

DF: Yes.

RK: Now, upon your father's death, did he leave a will?

DF: Yes.

RK: And where was that will probated?

DF: Here in New Mexico District Court.

RK: Was an executor or executrix appointment?

DF: My sister and I were both made to share equally and if one chose to give up
the responsibility of his estate the other one was to take over. My sister chose to
give up anything to do with it, which put me in charge of the estate.

RK: So you were in effect the executrix?

DF: Yes.

RK: What was your understanding of the duty of the executrix?

DF: Well, in all honesty when my father got sick, my father decided to have a
Power of Attorney drawn up to act in his behalf in any way to make any
decisions. So it really did not dawn on me what it was for me to do because I
had been doing it for two years. I just knew that I had to do what I had to do to
get his last wishes resolved.

RK: And those last wishes included what, as far as his property was concerned?

DF: I was to regain all of his property and my sister and I were to share in it
equally.

RK: Have you attempted to do that?

DF: Oh yes.

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RK: In 1990?

DF: Yes.

RK: 1991?

DF: Yes.

RK: 1994?

DF: Oh yes.

RK: And how did you do that?

DF: First I started contacting the military. They decided to tell me that all papers
were burned. There was no record anywhere. Well there was no record but they
chose to bury him at Santa Fe National Cemetery. So after I had that little
mishap, I went and wrote to the Department of the U.S. Army, the Reserve and
Personnel Center in St. Louis to which they came back and told me that there
was no record whatsoever but if I wanted to send them my records, that would
be okay for them.

RK: Would you look at this please and show the camera?

DF: This is a letter from the Department of the Army signed by Chief of
Inquiries, Patricia Moore..

RK: Now you have referred twice to the Department of the Army just recently.
You also mentioned Patricia Moore so she apparently as of that particular date,
which is what?

DF: November 26, 1991.

RK: So she in effect was a spokesman for the Department of the Army, was that
your impression?

DF: Well, yeah, because she signed it Patricia Moore, Chief Inquiries.

DF: This is my letter to the Department of the Army Chief of Freedom of


Information and Privacy Acts.

RK: What is the date of that letter?

DF: January 7, 1992.

RK: Now you just showed us an answer from the army dated November 1991
and the date of the letter you have in your hand is?

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DF: January 7, 1992.

RK: Would you show the camera please? Did you do anything else in attempting
to regain the property?

DF: I went to see the Senator, okay I will say this wrong, Senator Dominici.

RK: U.S. Senator?

DF: Yes, U.S. Senator.

RK: Did you vote for him?

DF: Not anymore.

RK: And basically what is that? That letter is from?

DF: The senator.

RK: And basically what does that letter state?

DF: This replies to your inquiry on behalf of Mrs. Desiree Ferdinand concerning
the military service of her late father, Mr. Albert V. Carone. As Mrs. Ferdinand
has previously informed Title 10 United States Code Section 1331-1337
authorized retired pay for reserved component military service. To be eligible for
retired pay under this law, a reserve soldier or former reserve soldier must have
completed a minimum of 20 qualifying years of service after July 1, 1949
qualifying years in which the reserved soldier earned at least 50 retirement
points. Extensive search is conducted at the Center and at the National Archives
and Records Administration failed to locate Mr. Carone's military personnel
records.

RK: When did you say, to the best of your knowledge, your father left military
service?

DF: 1985.

RK: And the National Records basically told you what?

DF: They don't have any record of him.

RK: Did they give any possible explanation?

DF: Document furnished by Mrs. Ferdinand dated March 12, 1970 is not an
official promotion letter. Retired benefits are not part of his estate according
there are no provisions, can receive any retirement benefits based on her late
father's military service. In an effort to verify Mr. Carone's military service from
November 13, 1945 through February 4, 1957, a request was floated to the
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Defense Finance and Accounting Service in Indianapolis, Indiana requesting a
search of their payroll. These searches take several months to complete and
sometimes do not produce desired results. Upon receipt of additional documen-
tation, further research will be conducted. The delay in furnishing a final reply is
regretted.

RK: Any response desirable or not desirable?

DF: None.

RK: From personal records?

DF: None.

RK: Have they ever tried to explain why?

DF: No

RK: What other methods did you use to regain records or regain property?

DF: I went to Congressman Shift's office.

RK: And what happened there?

DF: They started working on things. His liaison by the name of Mary started
trying to work on the file. Congressman Shift passed away.

RK: Was he succeeded in office?

DF: Yeah, a couple of months ago.

RK: Have you heard anything from the person who took Shift's place?

DF: No.

RK: Was there anything else that you did to try to collect the property or records,
information?

DF: I went to different banks, the banks that I had accounts with on my father.
They told me there was no record. I contacted Social Security. Finally after
about two months, Social Security came back to me and said, oh we found
Albert Carone. And then they came back with three different birth dates on him.
So Social Security, he is back. Police Department, I wrote to Commissioner
Brackston. I wrote to Mayor Guilliani and they decided to, first they had denied
that he was ever with the police department and then after I became a real nudge
about things, it took them about two years and I wound up with an insurance
card from the police department, to my dad, stating that these were the new
insurance cards so I called them and said he is deceased and you sent me
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insurance cards. You told me this man never existed. They said oh no, he exists.
I said well he is dead and who is paying for his medical insurance and they told
me the city of New York was. I told them well how, he is deceased. They asked
me to return the insurance cards. I did not.

RK: They can't be used anyway.

DF: I still wasn't giving them back. A letter from John Higgins, who was my
attorney at the time, to the Bank of America where I had my account with my
dad.

RK: What were you using Mr. Higgins for?

DF: I went to John Higgins to have him probate the estate and to try to help me
find dad's records and files because the previous attorney that I had used
conveniently forgot to probate the estate and informed me that I could not have
my father's files back. Then he informed me he gave them back, which he did
not, so I took him to the Disciplinary Board of the State of New Mexico.

RK: That is Mr. Higgins?

DF: No, that is Mr. Robert Fuentes.

RK: What bank is that document to?

DF: Bank of America.

RK: Could you show that to the camera please. And have you either directly or
through Mr. Higgins, received an answer from the Bank of America?

DF: No.

RK: Why did he send the letter to the Bank of America?

DF: Because I had an account with my father at Albuquerque Federal Bank,


which was taken over by the Bank of America. It was bought out by the Bank of
America.

RK: And as far as you know, they have not given you an answer as to what
happened to that account?

DF: They said that the account never existed.

RK: Okay. Now how would I know the account existed?

DF: Because I have the canceled checks from the account.

RK: From which bank?


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DF: Albuquerque Federal.

RK: Okay. And they are regular checks?

DF: Yes.

RK: Printed?

DF: Yes.

RK: With the account number?

DF: Yes.

RK: So if I had one of those checks, I could normally go to the bank and they
could use the numbers to find whatever records they had?

DF: Exactly.

RK: Now, were they commercially printed checks?

DF: They were checks that were ordered through the bank.

RK: So the bank took your order for the checks with an application for the
checks?

DF: No, it was a reorder form from the original checks that we had.

RK: Sent it to whatever printing company they used so it would have their
number, their account number.

DF: Yes, exactly.

RK: And that account never existed?

DF: According to them.

RK: Now when Albuquerque Federal was purchased by Bank of America, was
the checking account turned over to Bank of America?

DF: I don't remember. I don't remember. I don't know if it might have been a
couple of weeks down the road because we were told that when it was turning
over we could still use the old checks and that they would be
recognized.

RK: Do you have any checks with the Bank of America?

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DF: No.

RK: Okay. So the only ones you have basically are Albuquerque Federal and
whatever account those numbers fall?

DF: Yes. This is the letter from John Higgins to the CIA at Langley.

RK: Could you show that to the camera? Thank you. Basically what did Mr.
Higgins ask for?

DF: Request the dates when her father, Albert V. Carone, worked for the CIA.
Mrs. Ferdinand presented copies of the death certificate and letter of testamen-
tary for your file. To date, my client has not had a response from you. I would
appreciate you looking into this matter and advising me as to the status of Mrs.
Ferdinand's request. It is hoped that it will not be necessary to subpoena your
records in this matter. I you have any questions regarding this matter, please do
not hesitate to contact me. John Higgins, Attorney-at-Law.

RK: And what was the date on that letter again please?

DF: September 30, 1992.

RK: Have you received anything from the CIA?

DF: Yes.

RK: And what was that?

DF: They have no record of Albert Carone.

RK: Now, when we say the CIA, can I presume that it means the Central
Intelligence Agency?

DF: Yes.

RK: And what is that please?

DF: A letter from me to Freeman D. Clark, c/o the Pentagon in Washington.

RK: Now who is Mr. Clark?

DF: He had written a letter recommending my father for intelligence activities


while my father was in the military. The exact words were that he was highly
recommended for subversive of activities with the military.

RK: Now when you say he was highly recommended for subversive activities,
was that to find subversive activities or was that to cause subversive activities?

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DF: I don't know.

RK: Thank you.

DF: You are welcome.

RK: Now would you look at that and show it to the camera please?

DF: This is my dad.

RK: And about what age was he when that picture was taken?

DF: It was taken in 1971….you do the math.

RK: Is that an official photograph?

DF: No, my mother was hounding my dad to have a picture taken for the family
and he complained because his hair was not military cut and the official picture
would have been taken in about a month or two. But he complied.

RK: To the best of your knowledge, was an official photograph similar to this
photograph ever taken?

DF: Yes.

RK: And what is the rank of this particular photograph?

DF: Colonel.

RK: So somewhere there may be an official photograph of your father?

DF: There is, not maybe. There is an official photograph of my dad.

RK: As what rank?

DF: Colonel.

RK: Have you seen that photograph?

DF: Yes.

RK: Do you know where that photograph is now?

DF: No.

RK: When did you see that photograph?

DF: My mom used to have it in the house at 82 Leanne Terrace when they lived
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there in a frame.

RK: Do you know what happened to that photograph?

DF: No.

RK: So why did your mother want this photograph taken again?

DF: She was proud and she just wanted everybody to have a picture and she
really didn’t like the way the official photographs, he always looked angry to tell
you the truth, so she wanted an official one done. There was another one done of
my dad in uniform with my mom but I don't know where that is.

RK: Now we have talked a little bit about the Carone family.

DF: Yes.

RK: And we have talked a little bit about organized crime families. To the best
of your knowledge, how was your father perceived by the Carone family?

DF: Get in trouble and we can call Uncle Al, his nickname was Chensy, to both
families. If there was a problem, call Uncle Al and he will take care of it.

RK: Now we had talked about various members of organized crime. Did they
associate with your father much?

DF: Oh yes.

RK: Frequently?

DF: Yes.

RK: Monthly?

DF: More than monthly.

RK: Daily?

DF: Sometimes.

RK: What, if you know, what was their perception…..

DF: Honorable, I didn't say honest I said honorable.

RK: Do you know how long he kept this reputation with organized crime?

DF: Until the day he died.

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RK: Now, have you met many of his associates in the military?

DF: Some.

RK: Was that frequent?

DF: Major Donnelly was frequent because Major Donnelly was a very close
friend also of my dad's and his brother, Pat.

RK: Do you know or are there any indications you have of what Major Donnelly
thought about your father?

DF: I had a discussion with Major Donnelly one day about my father's things.
He asked me where my father's files, his journals, and his tapes were. I told him
I was looking for certain files, tapes, and journals. He told me I needed to stop
what I was doing and he told me the walls will keep on going up. I proceeded to
tell Major Donnelly I will take them down. I have not spoken to him since.

RK: Do you remember when that conversation occurred approximately?

DF: Around 1992.

RK: And prior to that did you have any discussion or any other conversations
with Major Donnelly?

DF: I had about four or five conversations with Major Donnelly.

RK: Did he mention anything about his feelings towards your father?

DF: No, but they were friends since we lived in Brooklyn so you have to go
back at least 40 years. They were social friends also, not just through military.

RK: For the 40 years?

DF: Yeah.

RK: Okay. Now we have made reference to the Central Intelligence Agency. Do
you know if your father had any or did you know the associates of your father as
far as the Central Intelligence Agency was concerned?

DF: Some.

RK: Are there any names that immediately come to mind?

DF: William Casey.

RK: William Casey?

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DF: And Oliver North. He just wasn't military intelligence. He worked with the
CIA and Theodore Shackley.

RK: You had mentioned Mr. Shackley before.

DF: Yeah.

RK: Now William Casey, how did your father know Mr. Casey?

DF: Bill Casey had come to my father's home for my son's christening, which
took place in 1973, March of 73 and they were social friends also. They would
go out often. The Casey's would come to our home.

RK: In which state now?

DF: New York, Long Island.

RK: Did your father ever mention knowing Casey before New York?

DF: Before New York? No, the only thing I can tell you that he mentioned about
Bill Casey is that they were in the military together. William Casey and my
father.

RK: Which unit? You don't know? Okay.

DF: My father originally was with OSS in the military.

RK: Okay.

DF: Okay. I think he knew Mr. Casey from there because they used to discuss,
sit down and I guess talk war stories about certain things.

RK: So, your impression is that your father and Bill Casey knew each other
from the OSS days and they continued that relationship?

DF: Yes. He also knew General Richard Stilwell from way back when.

RK: One last thing, or several last things and then we will move on. Would you
identify that please?

DF: Lieutenant Colonel Albert V. Carone, 82 Leanne Terrace, Wantaugh, New


York. It is an envelope mailed from Washington in 1970.

RK: Is there any return address?

DF: No.

RK: Okay. But it is addressed to Colonel?


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DF: Lieutenant Colonel.

RK: Lieutenant Colonel?

DF: Yeah.

RK: What is the address?

DF: 82 Leanne Terrace, Wantaugh, NY.

RK: Was that your father's home?

DF: Yeah.

RK: Thank you. And that piece?

DF: Mailgram, Western Union to Colonel Albert Carone, 83 Leanne Terrace,


Wantaugh, NY 11793. Congratulations, your promotion approved this date.
Orders to follow your office. Will be at Dix month of April. Hope to see you
then. Signed, Stryker.

RK: Could you spell that name?

DF: Stryker.

RK: Could you show that to the camera?

DF: And it is dated February 18, 1975.

RK: Do you know or have you heard of anyone by the name of Stryker?

DF: I was told that Stryker was a gentleman that he had worked with as far as, I
will use the expression, "Black Operations, Counter Intelligence". I think his
first name, and I might be wrong, but I think it was Bill Stryker.

RK: And who gave you this information?

DF: Dad.

RK: When did he give you this information?

DF: When he had gotten the Mailgram.

RK: What was that date?

DF: February 18, 1975.

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RK: Thank you. Now you have written several affidavits, is that correct?

DF: Yes.

RK: And do you still hold that the statements you made in those affidavits are
accurate?

DF: Definitely.

RK: Now in one of the affidavits dated 1998, do you remember that affidavit?

DF: Yes, it is my most recent one.

RK: Okay. You made several statements in that affidavit?

DF: Yes.

RK: And one of them if I may read it, "In 1966, my father started crossover
work with the CIA through MICIC." How do you know that?

DF: Dad discussed it with my mother.

RK: In 19….

DF: He started discussing it around 1967 and then the heavy discussion came
about in 1968. I know it was 1968 because that was when I graduated from high
school and that was when dad was never home.

RK: Now, you state that in this affidavit that he had several passports?

DF: Yes. I am only in possession of one. There were three others and I do not
know where they are. At his death, they were still available to me but when his
apartment was cleaned out and the woman he was living with, they no longer
were in my possession.

RK: The woman he was living with, what was her name?

DF: Heddy Williams.

RK: Did she know you were in charge of the property?

DF: Oh yes.

RK: Did she consult you as far as getting rid of anything?

DF: No. It was more like I had to go there and take what was needed and she
was supposed to hand over the rest of the passports and she did have other
paperwork but she left town.
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RK: What happened with the other passports and the rest of the paperwork?

DF: I cannot tell you that. They were in her possession.

RK: Would you look at that please and could you identify that?

DF: It is my father's passport.

RK: Could you show that to the camera?

DF: Sure.

RK: Is there a number somewhere that identifies that passport?

DF: Yes. On the top front page.

RK: Would you read that number?

DF: A634432.

RK: What was the issue date?

DF: Issue date March 13, 1980, expire date March 12, 1985. New application
January 30, 1985.

RK: Now, in your search for information, records and property of your father…

DF: I contacted the State Department for the passport.

RK: What do you have in your hand again please?

DF: Passport, United States of America.

RK: And to the best of your knowledge, is that a valid passport?

DF: To the best of my knowledge, yes it is.

RK: Have you seen passports before?

DF: Yes.

RK: Does it look authentic?

DF: Yes.

RK: Issued by?

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DF: Secretary of State of the United States of America.

RK: So when you contacted the State Department for any records….

DF: No record.

RK: They had no record of any passport?

DF: None.

RK: Including the passport you have in your hand?

DF: Exactly.

RK: Now your father apparently had some type of passport. Did your father do a
lot of traveling?

DF: Extensive.

RK: When did he start traveling? Approximate years.

DF: As early as I could remember. He even traveled a great deal in the police
department. He would be gone for 2-3 weeks at a time. He would be in England,
he would be in Hong Kong, he would be in Hawaii, Germany, Spain.

RK: Now how did you know he went to these places?

DF: He said so.

RK: Before or after he went?

DF: Before.

RK: So he would tell you I am going to such and such a country?

DF: Yes, he would leave in military uniform most of the time and when he left a
military car from Ft. Hamilton would pick him up. Many times when my dad
left, he had an attaché case, which is in my possession and it was always
handcuffed to his left wrist.

RK: Which indicates what to you?

DF: It had to be something important.

RK: Now I am going to start asking you about several names.

DF: Okay.

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RK: If you would be so kind as to tell me if you have heard of that name before.

DF: Okay.

RK: James Strauss?

DF: Yes, I have heard of James Strauss. I have met the man.

RK: And is he an associate of your father?

DF: Yes he was.

RK: I'm sorry, he was. In what capacity was he an associate?

DF: He stated that he worked with my father with the agency and the last
mission they went on was in 1984/85 to a place called Tapechula, Mexico. It
was around the time that a good friend of my father's by the name of Kiko
Comeraina, who was a DEA agent, was murdered.

RK: Okay. Now you say "he told me". Who told you?

DF: Well first dad had stated about a mission he had gone on. When he came
home he was very depressed. He said he could not do this work any longer and
he said he was not long for this world, that the suits would be coming for him. I
searched all over for Jim Strauss. He finally found me. He came to visit. He
brought up the same mission and stated that dad did not have the stomach after
that mission any longer and that was the last mission they were on together.

RK: Was that the last mission that you know of that your father went on?

DF: It was definitely the last mission. My father never left the state after that.

RK: Okay, the state of New Mexico?

DF: Yes.

RK: We are in New Mexico now?

DF: Yes.

RK: Okay. Do you know or have heard of the name Michael Harari?

DF: Yes.

RK: How did you first learn of that name?

DF: My father had to go to Kirtland Airforce Base one morning and my mom
was still alive. He had to ask me to go pick up prescriptions for her because he
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needed to be at Kirtland. The reason why he needed to be at Kirtland was
because he was meeting with a man by the name of Michael. He told me he
would be home between 11 and 12 o'clock. Please pick up my mother's prescrip-
tions. So I went to the drugstore, known as Walgreen's situated at Cores and
Corrales Road in Corrales to pick up my mother's prescription and there was a
gentleman who had followed me into the pharmacy. I am looking around waiting
for the prescriptions. This gentleman was about 10-15 feet constantly behind me.
In Walgreen's when a prescription is finished, they call out the name for you to
come and pick it up if you tell them you are waiting. I was in there about 20
minutes. As I was walking out of Walgreen's, this gentleman turned, he was
behind me and I was walking out of Walgreen's and he said Dee and I turned
around and said yes. He said to me Al's daughter? I said yes and I was
trying to put this man like where he should be since he knew me and I didn't
know him. He came over to me, took me by the arm and said to me, we need to
speak to you. I asked him who he was. He did not acknowledge my question. I
proceeded to curse very loudly. I had my mother-in-law with me. She got out of
the car immediately and asked him what he was doing. The minute he saw her
and people started to look, he dropped my arm and got into a 1984 tannish gold
Torino. There was another gentleman in the car with him. I immediately took the
prescriptions and went to my father's home. I told my father what happened. My
father hit the roof, turned around and said, "What the hell do they want with
you?" I said to my father, who wants with me, what is going on? My father
refused, refused to answer me. In 1996, I was in communication with William
Tyree and he decided to send me reading material, his reading material, his court
case and there was a picture of the same gentleman that approached me at
Walgreen's and it was Michael Harari.

RK: Who identified the picture as Michael Harari?

DF: Both my mother-in-law and myself. There was no name under that picture
and it was like, Oh my God, this is the man who was in the parking lot of
Walgreen's and then about 15-20 pages later there was another picture of him
and his name was underneath the picture, it was like a newspaper clipping and it
was Michael Harari.

RK: Do you remember what appeared to be a newspaper-clipping photo? Do


you remember that? Do you remember it very well.

DF: Yes.

RK: Okay. Was there anyone else in that photograph?

DF: Absolutely not. It was just him.

RK: Now, you stated after the last Mexican trip, okay, your father never left the
state again. Why was that?

DF: About a month and a half, no, the same evening that this happened with this
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gentleman, my father got violently sick. We thought that he had food poisoning
and my husband rushed him to the hospital. They couldn't decide what is was.
They didn't know if it was food poisoning. They ruled that out. Then they said
maybe it was ulcers and gave him a bunch of different tests. They could not
identify and from that point on, my father started getting very ill. He wound up
with his kidneys failing. He wound up with the left side of his brain within a six
month period atrophying so he was not physically capable of going anywhere
because he wound up then having to go on kidney dialysis to keep him alive.

RK: Now, after mentioning the suits were coming after him and your meeting
with Mr. Harari, did your father's attitude change?

DF: Very much so.

RK: What was his attitude prior to 1984 as far as his work was concerned?

DF: My father loved what he did whether it be right or wrong. The man loved
what he did.

RK: And would he freely discuss it with family?

DF: Not all the time.

RK: Would he discuss it extensively with family?

DF: Not all the time. Anything that had to do with, let's say organized crime,
was discussed in the house because the rule of the house was nothing that is ever
said in this house leaves the front door. And that is how we were brought up so it
didn’t seem unusual.

RK: What about his work with the police department?

DF: He used to talk about the police department a lot.

RK: And what about his work with the U.S. Government?

DF: No. Just where he was going, when he would be back. Never really ques-
tioned anything because he was always being picked up in military uniform.
There were many times that he was in civilian, and there were two passports that
dad used. One was not red, not maroon.

RK: Burgundy?

DF: Almost and it was under the name of Albert V. Rodgers and when he
traveled as a civilian he used that passport. He also used the passport that I just
showed quite often too.

RK: Now after 1984, how did his attitude towards his work change?
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DF: He told me not to bury him in his military uniform under any conditions.

RK: Did he say why?

DF: He said that he knew that the suits had come to get him. He said that he was
not long for this world and that it just wasn't worth it. I had to promise him that I
would not bury him in his military uniform. I asked him what he wanted done
with it and he told me to burn it.

RK: Was there any other indication of his change in attitude towards his work?

DF: He just got very depressed. He told me that what he couldn't finish in his
lifetime, that that was the reason why I had his Power of Attorney to start things
because he wanted me to finish it in his death.

RK: Are you okay?

DF: I am fine.

RK: Let's get back to some names.

DF: Okay.

RK: Frank Tierri?

DF: Organized crime figure, I know the name.

RK: Was he known by any other names?

DF: Just to me Uncle Frankie.

RK: He showed up at the house?

DF: Yeah.

RK: Joe Pickles?

DF: Joe Pricilia, Uncle Joe.

RK: Do you know what Mr. Pickles did for a living?

DF: Yes. He was a Captain in the Joe Colombo family.

RK: Benny the Eggs?

DF: Benny the Eggs owned a restaurant by the name of the Tides. It was a
nightclub in New York, excuse me, New Jersey.
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RK: New Jersey?

DF: Yeah.

RK: And other than the nightclub, do you know what else he did or his associa-
tion with your father?

DF: Organized crime.

RK: Matty the Horse?

DF: Matty the Horse Iello. Matty the Horse was organized crime and he was a
very large drug dealer.

RK: Now you had mentioned, I think you mentioned a person by the name of
Paul Castalano?

DF: Uncle Paul, yes. He originally took over the families.

RK: Why don't we take a break now? The time is 11:31 A.M. we are off the
record.

Tape II

RK: The time is 11:46 a.m. We are on the record.

RK: We had begun to talk about Paul Costellano. Did you know him by any
other name?

DF: Uncle Paulie.

RK: Did he visit a lot?

DF: Yes.

RK: Was he employed?

DF: He was a businessman but he also took over the family from Mr. Gambino
when Mr. Gambino died. He was brother-in-law to Mr. Gambino.

RK: He freely associated with your father?

DF: Yes.

RK: And your father freely associated with him?

DF: Yes.
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RK: They were good friends?

DF: Yes.

RK: You had mentioned a Jack or John Lustig?

DF: That is Inspector Jack Lustick. He was with New York City Police Depart-
ment. My father answered to him and at the time, it was Captain Vincent
Nardiello, but he was made an inspector also.

RK: Okay. Now you had mentioned Bob Leuci?

DF: Leuci. Prince of the City.

RK: And what was his association with your father?

DF: The trafficking of drugs within the department into the Mafia on to the
streets.

RK: And what particular part did Mr. Lucy pay?

DF: Mr. Leuci was the main player in shaking down certain businesses and also
delivering certain drugs to certain businesses in the Brooklyn Section, Bedford
Stuyvesant, Manhattan. And my father used to talk about Bob Leuci a great
deal. Pete Parazzo and Bob Leuci were part of the bust as far as Pete Parazzo
went. Bob Leuci for no better word, to save his own rear end and take his
retirement snitched out quite a few of the men in the police department.

RK: Was he ever indicted?

DF: No.

RK: Was he ever….

DF: He was moved to a different division.

RK: Okay. Now you had mentioned your father and Oliver North? May we
presume that this is the Oliver North Marine Colonel?

DF: Yes, we can presume that.

RK: And how do you know your father knew Oliver North?

DF: When the hearings were going on for Iran Contra, my father had proceeded
to make certain remarks concerning, as he referred to him as Ollie. When my
father got really sick, dad started talking about certain things and one of the
names that he had brought up to me was John Cathey, as I understood it the way
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he said the last name. He said to me, "find him and you will find the story".
Well, I never did find him and one day I was talking to a gentleman by the name
of Mike Rupert and I'm telling Mike the story and he calls me back about an
hour later and he says to me, "do you realize the alias for Colonel Oliver North
is John, (he had referred to him as Cathey, I think)? I proceeded to contact
Colonel North. He refused to speak to me. I contacted him on about four or five
different occasions. He would not, under any circumstances, speak to me.

RK: Now when you say you attempted to contact him, you attempted to contact
him directly?

DF: Yes.

RK: How did you do that?

DF: I contacted the radio show that he had on the radio. They had given an 800
number. Because this day he was talking about drugs and how terrible they were
so I decided I was going to call the radio show because if it was a live show, I
had a couple of things to say to the man. I had to go through another party
before I could speak to him directly on the radio and they had told me no. I had
stated that I wanted to speak to him. They gave me two different numbers. One
was to his, he was running for senator at the time, and if I remember correctly,
the two girls I had spoke to Dede and Marsha. He refused to speak to me so
again I made a phone call to Theodore Shackley and Mr. Shackley told me to
call Colonel North and tell him that Mr. Shackley had told me to call, to which I
did. He still would not speak to me but Marsha proceeded to tell me that he did
not know Colonel Carone or Theodore Shackley so I called Theodore Shackley
back and told him that I kind of thought that he thought a little bit too much of
himself because Oliver North said he did not know Theodore Shackley to which
Mr. Shackley said, "then you know what, that is the route you need to take and if
he won't speak to you, then call his attorney". And he proceeded to give me the
name of his attorney and phone number, which was a Mr. Sullivan at the time. I
called Mr. Sullivan but he did not return my phone call.

RK: So your father identified Oliver North as an associate?

DF: Oh yes.

RK: Did he say anything about working directly with Oliver North?

DF: Yes. They were involved with drug running for the CIA in the South
America Region.

RK: Did he mention any countries?

DF: No. He mentioned Mr. Noriega.

RK: Okay. So your father in effect put himself next to Colonel North?
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DF: Pretty much so.

RK: And Colonel North to you has attempted to remove himself?

DF: Oh I would say.

RK: From your father.

Frank Nugan?

DF: Frank Nugan and Michael Hand, my father was good friends with. Nugan
Hand Bank. It was a bank used in the Hong Kong area to launder different
monies. There were General Leroy Manner was involved. General Stilwell was
involved. A man by the name of Paul Hollywell was involved. It was an opera-
tion where drug monies in different accounts from certain people were ab-
sconded with. One through Nugan Hand bank and they were used for operations
that were not sanctioned by the U.S. government, black operations.

RK: Okay. Now we are talking about a bank here correct?

DF: Yes.

RK: In Hong Kong?

DF: Yes.

RK: Okay. And your saying basically they took money…..

DF: To launder.

RK: From other people?

DF: And the drug monies that they used for cocaine trafficking.

RK: Now, how did you learn about this?

DF: Well, my father knew Frank Nugan and Michael Hand. I might get this
mixed up but I think it is Michael Hand that he knew from like the Bronx area of
New York. If I am not mistaken, he was in Special Forces or in the military at
one time.

RK: Okay. So your father passed this information to you?

DF: Yes, when he got sick.

RK: Okay. So this would be after 1985?

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DF: 1985/86.

RK: Did his attitude towards giving you this information increase?

DF: Yes because the sicker dad got, I guess the more he felt he had to clear his
conscience because he said that there were some awful things done in the name
of patriotism and I think dad had said that he was not long for this world because
the suits had gotten to him and I think his conscience got to him.

RK: Did he say anything to indicate that to you?

DF: Yeah, he didn't have the stomach to do the work that they wanted him to do
any longer and the reason for it was because of this village. They had taken out
an entire village of men, women and children and they executed them and put
them in a mass grave and put Lyme over them.

RK: Now which village is this?

DF: I think it was called Tapetula or Chapetula, I can't remember the exact
pronunciation.

RK: In which country?

DF: Mexico.

RK: Did he mention anybody else who was with him?

DF: Jim Strauss. That is how I knew how to contact Jim Strauss.

RK: Donald Beasley?

DF: Part of the Nugan Hand Bank and he was also with the CIA.

RK: Had he worked with your father?

DF: I think he did because Mr. Beasley used to call the house on my father's
private line. There were two telephones in our home. One phone we were
forbidden to use because it was strictly for my father and that is the number that
most of these people would call on.

RK: So if that phone rang, what would happen?

DF: We were allowed to answer it but we were forbidden to tell anyone where
my father was if he wasn't there, only that my father would return the call within
a certain amount of time.

RK: At any time did you answer the phone and the other person identifies
themselves as Beasley?
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DF: Yes, once. Mr. Beasley.

RK: Edwin Black?

DF: Edwin Black, Nugan Hand Bank.

RK: Were there any other associations?

DF: I do not know.

RK: George Farris?

DF: I do not know in what capacity Mr. Farris, I just know that my father knew
him because he used to call the home a lot.

RK: On the special phone?

DF: Yes.

RK: Did you ever answer the phone and speak with Mr. Farris?

DF: I answered the phone all the time when dad wasn't there because mom and
dad both worked and my sister was away at college.

RK: Okay. And how do you know it was Mr. Farris?

DF: He would identify.

RK: Leroy Manner?

DF: General Leroy Manner.

RK: Do you know which army?

DF: No, I do not.

RK: Do you know the association with your father?

DF: All that I know is that I always presumed it was military association and one
time my father went with General Manner to the Canton Region of China or
Hong Kong.

RK: Walter McDonald?

DF: I think that Mr. McDonald had taken a trip also with my dad to Hong Kong.

RK: Did your father mention that?


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DF: He was meeting Mr. McDonald. We had to take him to the airport, Kennedy
International Airport at one time, my mom and I took my dad.

RK: And you knew he was going on a trip?

DF: Yes.

RK: He went to the airport and he had mentioned where he was going?

DF: Hong Kong because every time dad went to Hong Kong he brought a bunch
of things back. He would have silk suits made for himself in Hong Kong or we
would get jewelry, jade.

RK: And at this particular time he mentioned that he was meeting Mr.
McDonald or Mr. McDonald was going with him?

DF: They were going together.

RK: Okay. Brian Alexander?

DF: Brian Alexander was military if I am not mistaken. I might be wrong about
that but I think he was military.

RK: Was he associated with your father?

DF: Yes. I do not know in what capacity only that the man would call.

RK: And you would be the only one home answering the phone and the person
would say….

DF: Mr. Alexander for Al Carone.

RK: Rafael Contero?

DF: Chichi.

RK: And what was his association?

DF: Drugs.

RK: Was he military?

DF: I do not know. But my father always called him Chichi.

RK: Harry Wainwright?

DF: Harry Wainwright, Nugan Hand Bank.


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RK: Now you had also mentioned an association with a bank, a Paul Helliwell?

DF: Hollywell. Paul Hollywell was very close to Michael Hand and Frank
Nugan.

RK: Did he work with your father?

DF: Yes.

RK: Did he call the house?

DF: Yes and there was some type of connection between Mr. Hollywell, Mr.
Casey and my father.

RK: Do you know who Mr. Hollywell worked for?

DF: No.

RK: Murray S. Riley?

DF: I do not know in what capacity my father knew Murray but I know that he
knew Murray. There were a few occasions, I think there was one occasion that
Mr. Riley had come to the house but when he came to the house, my father and
Mr. Riley had gone outside to discuss things. They did not stay in the house.
They went outside.

RK: In the front yard or the backyard?

DF: Front yard. They were leaning up against the car in the driveway. They were
out there for a while.

RK: Do you remember if there were several occasions or was there one occa-
sion?

DF: The one occasion I know about.

RK: Elliot Abrams?

DF: CIA.

RK: Do you know of Mr. Abrams in any other capacity?

DF: Only that my father worked either with him or for him.

RK: Did your father indicate…..

DF: I had never spoken to Mr. Abrams. I had never seen Mr. Abrams. When my
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father got sick, my father told me to remember certain names and one of them
was Elliot Abrams.

RK: And did your father at this time indicate a close association with Mr.
Abrams?

DF: He just told me to remember the name.

RK: And he didn't tell you who he was?

DF: He told me "company man".

RK: Did he mention which company?

DF: No, but my father used to refer to the agency as the company.

RK: Which agency?

DF: Central Intelligence Agency.

RK: Richard Stilwell?

DF: General Richard Stilwell. My father worked with him in Asia. My father
also did a lot of training of certain troops with General Richard Stilwell, gorilla
training.

RK: Training troops in gorilla warfare? Is that what you mean?

DF: Yes.

RK: Now, your father told you this?

DF: Yeah.

RK: Did he tell you in what period of time?

DF: No.

RK: Did he tell you what country?

DF: I'm positive he said South East Asia.

RK: Did he narrow down the location any more?

DF: No.

RK: Gene Howard?

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DF: Gene Howard was a connection to my father in Brooklyn and it was through
a restaurant known as Forlini's that they would meet.

RK: Did your father indicate any other association with Mr. Howard?

DF: No. The only thing that I knew about Gene Howard was that he was in the
same type of intelligence business that my father was and that there were many
connections to organized crime with Gene Howard.

RK: And how did you know this? How did you find out about this?

DF: Dad discussed it. Dad told me himself.

RK: Did your father ever indicate any association with Spiro Agnew?

DF: Yeah. He met with Spiro Agnew at the Mayflower Hotel in Washington at
one time.

RK: Do you know how many times?

DF: No.

RK: Here again, your father is telling you?

DF: My father had told me and then a gentleman by the name of Jimmy
Rothstein had it corroborated through a witness who had seen my father with
Spiro Agnew.

RK: You mentioned Jimmy Rothstein before I believe.

DF: Jimmy Rothstein was a member of the NYPD and I guess we can say at one
time he was investigating organized crime at NYPD and dad was right smack in
the middle of it.

RK: Was there any other association between Rothstein and your father?

DF: No.

RK: Is Mr. Rothstein alive?

DF: Yes.

RK: Do you have contact with Mr. Rothstein?

DF: Constantly.

RK: What is Mr. Rothstein's attitude towards your father?

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DF: He did what he had to do but above everything he was an honorable man
and his attitude about my dad he has told me stories about when he would be in
Forlini's Restaurant and my father would come, that they would treat my father
as he was a very very important man and very well respected amongst the
organized crime family.

RK: Some people may not be familiar with the dual meaning.

DF: You kind of have to excuse me because that is what I was brought up in and
I never thought it was odd or different until later years.

RK: Not a problem.

DF: Okay.

RK: George Teesdale?

DF: George Teesdale had something to do, if my memory serves me correct,


with, I don't know if he had something to do with pilots, planes, something to do
with the agency as far as flights or planes.

RK: Military or civilian?

DF: CIA

RK: Now we had talked before about Bill Casey and you mentioned that he
visited your house?

DF: Yes.

RK: Frequently?

DF: Maybe sometimes once a month. He came to see my father on a couple of


occasions because there was business that needed to be discussed I guess. One
time, Mr. Castalano was at the house with Mr. Casey and my father. They
socialized together, my mom and dad and Mr. and Mrs. Casey.

RK: Okay. Excuse me just a minute now. So at the house, at your father's house
in New York?

DF: Yes, 82 Leanne Terrace.

RK: Mr. Casey came there?

DF: Yes.

RK: Mr. Castalano came there?

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DF: Yes.

RK: And how do you know this?

DF: I was there, I lived there.

RK: Do you remember how long Mr. Castalano, Mr. Casey and your father were
at the house?

DF: No.

RK: Do you remember if they were in the same room?

DF: Definitely, sitting at the same table.

RK: Do you remember anybody else there?

DF: No.

RK: Okay. The time is now 12:10 p.m. This is the end of tape I. We are going off
the record to change tapes.

Tape started here………

RK: Like partners?

DF: I can just tell you they were business associates.

RK: Frequent?

DF: Very.

RK: And how do you know this?

DF: Because my father would go away with Mr. Vesco on numerous occasions.

RK: How do you know it was with Mr. Vesco?

DF: Because Mr. Vesco would either come to the house or my father would meet
him at Kennedy International Airport. Sometimes Laguardia.

RK: Did you ever see Mr. Vesco?

DF: On two occasions.

RK: Or a person you assumed was Mr. Vesco? And where did you see him?

DF: 82 Leanne Terrace. At one time in Kennedy International Airport, no


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Laguardia Airport in New York.

RK: And he came to the house?

DF: Yes.

RK: And your father left the house? With Mr. Vesco and they went somewhere
and subsequently your

father came back?

DF: Yeah. Dad always came back.

RK: And then this would happen….

DF: On a couple of occasions. I think he went to England one time with Mr.
Vesco.

RK: Do you have any idea what year that was?

DF: Okay, I was still at home. I left home in 1971. It would have to be probably
towards the late 60's to

early 70's because I left in 71 when I got married.

RK: Okay. So there were two assassinations in 68. Were these occasions after
the assassinations?

DF: What assassinations are we discussing?

RK: Well, Robert Kennedy was assassinated and Martin Luther King was
assassinated in 68.

DF: After the assassinations.

RK: And you left the house in 71. So somewhere between 68 and 70?

DF: Somewhere between 68 and 71.

RK: Do you remember what time of the year it was?

DF: No. It would have to be summer or spring because I know it wasn't winter. I
know definitely it wasn't winter.

RK: Were you in school?

DF: No. I graduated in 68.

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RK: Did you work after graduation?

DF: Yes.

RK: And what were your hours of work?

DF: Nine to five.

RK: So it would have been before 9:00 in the morning, some morning?

RK: Now you had made mention that your father, after he became ill, wanted to
clear up some business. There was several things he wasn't happy with, he
wasn't proud of and he told you this.

DF: One was MIAs in Vietnam. He was dealing with certain people that were
looking for MIAs in Vietnam. He knew that there were MIAs in Vietnam. He
went on a tangent one time about how we had sent these boys over there and that
we had just left them there. Something to do with a deal that was made that our
government did not keep the deal. He knew that there were boys still over there.
He had mentioned Colonel Bo Gritz at this time and there was some type of
association or group of people, I cannot remember the name, but my father had
said something about going public at the time, or talking up about it also. He
never did. He got too sick.

RK: So he knew Bo Gritz?

DF: Yes.

RK: Was that the only association he had with Bo Gritz that he mentioned to
you?

DF: That is the only one I know of.

RK: Did he indicate anything else that he was trying to clean up?

DF: He was tired of the drug trafficking. He had made the remark that it had
gone on for very long, that they stuck it in the black community because nobody
would really give a damn about the Harlem and East Harlem area and that they
realized that a lot of money could be made and who would listen to those people
anyway.

RK: Now when you state the drug trade, did he mention anybody in particular?

DF: As far as the drug trade?

RK: Right.

DF: All I can tell you is that he had mentioned Ollie North. As far as the drug
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trade, Mr. Shackley was mentioned. Mr. Richard Armitage was mentioned also. I
have never spoken to or met Mr. Armitage. Colonel North would not speak to
me. I have spoken to Mr. Shackley.

RK: Now in your father's travel, we had mentioned Asia, Europe, the Bahamas.
Did he ever go into South America?

DF: Yes. That is where he knew Colonel North from in dealings with Mr.
Noriega and dealings with Mike, who I will presume is Mr. Harari for the simple
reason that dad used to refer to Mike and used to refer to the Mossad at the same
time and later on I found out that Mr. Harari, I will say had dealings with the
Mossad.

RK: Any association that your father spoke of between him and Pablo Escabar?

DF: My father knew who Pablo Escabar was. He would discuss the, I will
probably say this wrong, the Medellin Cartel and most of their drugs would
come from them.

RK: Other than knowing of Mr. Escabar, did your father indicate any other
relationship?

DF: No.

RK: Was there anything else in South America that your father was upset about?

DF: Not that I really know of. He was just really upset when I guess the drug
trafficking was getting out of hand. They were using the drugs to buy guns,
black operations were getting worse, “running amuck” was the expression.

RK: Now did your father mention any words or names or indicators for some of
these operations he was involved in?

DF: No. The only time he had mentioned an operation by the name of Sand
Man. Okay. He had also mentioned an operation that was known as Amadeus
and yet phone calls would come to the house when he was here in New Mexico
and someone would say Amadeus and a lot of times he would call and say
Amadeus and he would be out of the house within an hour of like a phone call
coming in or him making a phone call. Sand Man he had mentioned. There was
another one…tin roof or tin shed, something like that. He had discussed South
America. He had discussed something about how they were putting for planes to
land.

RK: Flights?

DF: Beacons. Something that radar would not detect and they were
making….why can't I think of this thing? For the runways. They were building
runways but he never stated what it was called at any time and I know he had
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gone to South or Latin America for that.

RK: To in effect build runways?

DF: Yes. And something to do with beacons. Something about the planes so that
they could not be detected coming in.

RK: Detected by who?

DF: I have no idea.

RK: Okay. Was there anything else about Sand Man?

DF: Just that there was an operation Sand Man. It was an assassination team for
certain people that needed to be eliminated through the agency. He used to talk
about a fellow by the name of Sandy, who was a Green Beret at the time, that he
had been with him and worked with him.

RK: Had he worked with this Green Beret, Sandy, a lot?

DF: I think on numerous occasions he kind of liked him. He used to say that he
was very good military material.

RK: Did he ever identify this Sandy by any other name?

DF: No. The only thing dad used to say was first of all he knew him. His father
was in the military. Dad had worked with his father in something to do with
forklifts and mustard gas. Okay. He knew him through that and I think it was
around the late 70's dad would discuss this kid, Sandy, and that he had gotten
himself in trouble and they were trumped up charges because of what this kid
knew.

RK: Did your father mention where these charges were made?

DF: In the New England area.

RK: Was he any more specific about New England?

DF: It was the Green Beret out of Massachusetts. The Fort Devens area. A
colonel my father knew, olonel Cutolo. It had something to do with Colonel
Cutolo.

RK: So now your father mentioned Colonel Cutolo in relationship to Sandy the
Green Beret supposedly out of Fort Devens, Massachusetts.

DF: Yes.

RK: Did he say Cutolo was in Massachusetts?


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DF: Yes.

RK: Did he know Cutolo from Massachusetts?

DF: He knew him from the military. They had worked together and he had
originally had known Ed Cutolo I think from the Bronx area when they were
kids. I think from the Bronx or somewhere in the New York area when they
were kids.

RK: Above and beyond what your father said about Cutolo, are there any other
indications that he knew Cutolo?

DF: Well, I had wound up finding Cutolo's daughter, JJ. She was living here in
Albuquerque and I had found her because at this point, things were getting a
case of the crazies of looking for people that dad knew, trying to confirm, deny
and JJ had come to the house and she had seen a picture of my dad and she
identified my father. She had met my father on occasion. She knew who my dad
was.

RK: Did she say where she met him?

DF: Fort Devens and she had met him one time in Florida someplace.

RK: So in effect you got the sense that Colonel Cutolo's daughter…..

DF: Oh definitely met my father. Definitely.

RK: Okay. Do you know if this Sandy, Green Beret from Massachusetts, is still
alive?

DF: Yes he is.

RK: He is alive?

DF: Yes he is.

RK: And where does he reside?

DF: Walpole, South Walpole Prison.

RK: In what state?

DF: Massachusetts.

RK: How did you find out that Sandy was alive in Walpole, Massachusetts?

DF: I had been talking for a while to a gentleman by the name of Bill McCoy.
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Bill McCoy and I were having quite a few conversations and I kept on telling
him that I had to find this guy, Sandy, who was framed for a murder because of
what he knew as far as operations, Black operations.

RK: Excuse me. Let me interrupt you. How do you know he was framed
because of his knowledge of …well first of all let's define what do you under-
stand Black operations to mean?

DF: Illegal operations that are not sanctioned by the Congress.

RK: And where did you get this definition you are using?

DF: My dad.

RK: So your father would, one way or another, say that if it is a Black operation
Congress doesn't know about it?

DF: Exactly.

RK: Okay. So how did you get the impression that Sandy was framed because of
his knowledge of Black operations?

DF: I didn't get the impression, my father told me. When my father got really
sick, he felt that he had to clear this kid's name.

RK: Okay. So your father got sick in ‘85 and your father passed away in ‘90.
During that five year stretch, can you narrow down when he told you this?

DF: He stated in ‘85 that he had business that needed to be taken care of, that
only he could take care of because it seems that there was some type of diaries
that were in my father's possession at one time that my father had brought to
CIA headquarters in Langley, Virginia.

RK: Did he say when he had these diaries? When they were in his possession?

DF: In the ‘70's.

RK: Did he indicate early ‘70's?

DF: No. It was the end of the ‘70's. Like ‘79, maybe going into ‘80. Maybe
towards the end of ‘78, somewhere around there. It was the end of the ‘70's.

RK: Okay. So Mr. McCoy…let's get back to Mr. McCoy. You were having a
conversation with Mr. McCoy?

DF: Quite a few conversations with Mr. McCoy.

RK: Okay. And how did Mr. McCoy lead you to Sandy?
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DF: Okay. I was led….let's say Sandy was led to me. Sandy had called Bill
McCoy to tell him that he needed to find JJ Cutolo and that she was in the
Albuquerque area.

RK: Now how did you know that?

DF: Bill McCoy told me. He called me and said to me, "you're in Albuquerque,
can you find JJ Cutolo?" and I said I will try. He had told me that she had
worked for a radio station so I said okay, I will try to find JJ for you. It was
ironic because I had been looking for any family members to do with Colonel
Cutolo. I had asked Bill McCoy about speaking to Colonel Rowe's wife, Nick
Rowe, and he told me that I couldn't because she was very afraid of what was
going on since her husband's death and she refused to speak to anyone. To make
a long story short, I picked up the phone and called information and found JJ
Cutolo in Albuquerque and I told her that Bill McCoy needed to speak to her
because a man by the name of Bill Tyree needed to speak to her. I asked Bill
McCoy who is William Tyree and he said to me, he is a Green Beret who is
charged with the murder of his wife, Elaine.

RK: Okay.

DF: Bill McCoy did not want to put me and Bill Tyree together.

RK: Did he say why?

DF: No and Bill McCoy knew my father's whole story and it is odd because he
would talk to Billy about Dee in Albuquerque but never mentioned Dee was
Colonel Carone's daughter so Billy was discussing things with Bill McCoy on
Colonel Carone but Bill McCoy never told him that he was talking to me.

RK: Is Mr. McCoy available to talk to?

DF: No, Bill McCoy is deceased. He died last year, October.

RK: October 1997?

DF: Yeah.

RK: So basically through Mr. McCoy, you have identified who Sandy is?

DF: I had told Bill I would not give him the information on JJ Cutolo unless I
was able to speak with Bill Tyree so that was the deal and Bill Tyree wrote and
asked me. In the meantime, Bill Tyree had gotten a newspaper called the Free
American and there was the story of my dad in the Free American and my name
was in there. Billy called Bill McCoy and they had been discussing Colonel
Carone but McCoy never told him that Dee and Desiree Ferdinand in Albuquer-
que were the same so Billy wrote me a letter. Billy identified himself and then
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he asked me in this letter if I would possibly know him by his, I guess you
would say code name or call name, or whatever and the name was Sandy, which
I did not believe at the time because my father used to say the kid's name was
Sandy because of his light colored hair and when I saw a picture of Bill Tyree it
was a newspaper clipping and what I saw was black hair in this newspaper
clipping until I spoke to his mother and asked her.

RK: Are you in contact with Mr. Tyree?

DF: Yes.

RK: Frequent?

DF: Yes.

RK: A few more names…..William Barr?

DF: I do not recognize that name.

RK: Buddy Young?

DF: No.

RK: Felix Rodriguez?

DF: Yes.

RK: And how do you know about Mr. Rodriguez?

DF: Because he did drug running activities and he was a CIA agent and he
worked with my dad at times and Felix Rodriguez also worked with Robert
Vesco.

RK: When did your father tell you this?

DF: When he was dying, Felix Rodriguez and Robert Vesco, I think they went to
Nassau. I think it was Nassau that they had met.

RK: Your father?

DF: Robert Vesco and Felix Rodriguez.

RK: Joe Fernandez?

DF: No.

RK: George Bayard?

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DF: No.

RK: A.J. Baker?

DF: No.

RK: Now you had mentioned a Colonel Rowe?

DF: Nick Rowe.

RK: Do you know if he has a first name?

DF: Colonel Nicholas Rowe.

RK: Richard Malvesti?

DF: Yes. Military.

RK: Okay.

DF: My father had dealings with Colonel Nick Rowe in reference to missing in
action and POWs and if I am not mistaken, I think my father had told me, I don't
remember if it was when he got sick or before, that Colonel Rowe was a POW I
think at one time.

RK: Richard C. Malvesti?

DF: Colonel Malvesti…I know that name because my father got upset because
there was some type of accident with Colonel Malvesti that my father did not
believe was an accident.

RK: Had he indicated to you that he worked with Colonel Malvesti?

DF: Yes. As he had worked with Colonel Cutolo and Colonel Rowe.

RK: Did he indicate where?

DF: When you state A.J. Baker, are you referring to Colonel Baker because my
father worked with a Colonel Baker also.

RK: But you have no idea of any other name other than Colonel?

DF: No. A Colonel Baker.

RK: Richard Cater?

DF: No.

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RK: Ray Dote?

DF: No.

RK: Longhoffer?

DF: No.

RK: A pretty easy name to remember if you ever heard of it?

DF: I would remember that one.

RK: Duncan?

DF: What is the first name?

RK: There is only a rank.

DF: No.

RK: Robert Burdiz?

DF: No.

RK: James Steele?

DF: No.

RK: Charles Beckwith?

DF: Colonel?

RK: Yes.

DF: I know the name.

RK: How do you know the name?

DF: Through my father.

RK: Did he say anything about Colonel Beckwith?

DF: No.

RK: Did he say he ever worked with Colonel Beckwith?

DF: Yes.

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RK: Did he say where?

DF: No. I know Colonel Beckwith had called the house on a couple of occa-
sions, that is how I know it was Colonel.

RK: William Wilson?

DF: Agency.

RK: Worked with your father?

DF: Yes, my father knew him.

RK: Did your father say where he worked?

DF: No.

RK: Charles McKee?

DF: No.

RK: Hunter Harris?

DF: No.

RK: Lloyd Vessey?

DF: Lloyd Vessey or Vesse? I know that name but I don't know why I know it.

RK: Earl Yates?

DF: No.

RK: Bobby Robison?

DF: No.

RK: Hiney Alderhalt?

DF: No. I would remember that one.

RK: Gayre?

DF: No.

RK: Doug Ryok?

DF: No.
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RK: Gearhardt Hyatt?

DF: No.

RK: Alden Sibley?

DF: No.

RK: Anton Walker?

DF: No.

RK: Harding Issacson?

DF: If I am not mistaken, I will say no unless it is Colonel Issacson.

RK: What do you know about Colonel Issacson?

DF: Worked with my dad.

RK: And how do you know that?

DF: If I am not mistaken, Colonel Issacson had dealings with my father in


China.

RK: And who told you that?

DF: My father.

RK: Do you have any idea what timeframe he mentioned this, before or after his
illness?

DF: Ninety percent of anything to do with the military or central intelligence


was after my father got sick.

RK: Crosber Avil?

DF: No.

RK: Williams Rigalo?

DF: No.

RK: Did your father mention any association with Manuel Noriega?

DF: Only that they were running drugs with Noriega and Noriega was being
paid exorbitant amounts of money on a monthly basis.
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RK: Did your father mention working directly with Noriega?

DF: He knew Manuel Noriega.

RK: Did he indicate to you that he knew Noriega well or just in passing?

DF: He knew Manuel Noriega and monies that went to Manuel Noriega my
father paid to him for the agency.

RK: Your father wrote out a personal check?

DF: No, he was paymaster or a bag man, whatever you want to refer to it as far
as NYPD but that is also what he did for Central Intelligence. You do a job and I
will come and pay you.

RK: Ruth Paine?

DF: My father had dealings with a woman by the name of Ruth Paine.

RK: Did he tell you what kind of dealings?

DF: No, and that was in the 60's. I was young.

RK: Young when he told you?

DF: No, around the time of his dealings. Not around the time that he told me.
I’ve aged. Ruth Paine. The ‘60's.

RK: Michael Paine?

DF: No.

RK: Dois Tatum?

DF: I know Mr. Tatum.

RK: How do you know Mr. Tatum?

DF: Because I contacted Mr. Tatum when I read the Pegasus file to see if he
knew my father.

RK: Have you spoken to Mr. Tatum?

DF: Yes, on about three or four different occasions.

RK: Did Mr. Tatum indicate to you that he knew your father?

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DF: Yes he did. He said that he was the pilot that brought my father from, I think
it is Camp Drum in New York, to South America on a couple of different
occasions and he also stated to me that he knew at one time he was witness to
the fact of George Bush being with my father in South America.

RK: Did he indicate what time he saw George Bush and your father together?

DF: No he did not. I think he told me they were in the Honduras region. My
father was passing himself off as George Bush's private doctor.

RK: Did you have any indication of anything else about Mr. Bush?

DF: I don't understand your question. They were running drugs.

RK: Mr. Bush?

DF: Yes.

RK: With the assistance of?

DF: Mr. North and quite a few others.

RK: Have you ever been able to identify Mr. Bush?

DF: Ex-president of the United States, George Bush.

RK: How do you know it was that George Bush?

DF: Because my father said at one time he was, number one the president of the
United States is involved, and if all of this information came down it would
bring down the Oval Office. Number two, he was involved with drug running
because my father worked with him when he was with the CIA.

RK: Did your father indicate any other association with Mr. Bush?

DF: No.

RK: Mr. Tatum indicated to you that he saw Mr. Bush and your father in South
America?

DF: Yes he did. He stated there were photos to prove what he was stating but I
have not spoken to Mr. Tatum and I am not in receipt of the photos. The last
time I spoke to Mr. Tatum was about I guess six months ago. He stated he had to
get them because they were in a very safe place and I have not heard from him
since. If they were sent, I never received them.

RK: Okay. Did he indicate in what, if there was an official capacity to Mr. Bush
or Mr. Bush's official capacity at the time he saw your father and Mr. Bush
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together?

DF: I do not know if it was the Fort Drum area. I would tend to think at that time
my father was in New York that he would have been with the CIA.

RK: Frank Terple?

DF: I know the name but I do not know from where.

RK: Ed Wilson?

DF: Yes. Edwin Wilson.

RK: How do you know the name?

DF: My father worked with Edwin Wilson, if it is the same person that you are
asking me.

RK: In what capacity did your father and Mr. Wilson…

DF: Agency.

RK: Susan Wilson?

DF: No.

RK: Clauda Ross?

DF: No.

RK: Walter McDonald?

DF: No.

RK Morris Houghton?

DF: No.

RK: Alder Berrimen Seal?

DF: If it is Barry Seal that you are asking me about, my father worked very
closely with Barry Seal.

RK: Where?

DF: Drug running.

RK: Do you have an idea of the year?


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DF: No, I do not. I know my father told me that Barry Seal would be taken out.
He would be eliminated and he was. I don't know by whom.

RK: Did he say anything else about Mr. Seal?

DF: No.

RK: William Colby?

DF: Yes. My father worked with William Colby. He stated that Bill Colby used
to do the work out of his desk drawer. He was not too organized.

RK: Did he indicate a long association with Mr. Colby?

DF: I do not know how long their association was.

RK: John Singlaub?

DF: General Singlaub. My father referred to as an asshole.

RK: Ray Klein?

DF: No.

RK: Howard Hunt?

DF: You are telling me Ray Klein and Howard Hunt. I do not know if my father
knew them but I know those names but you know, in media, etc.

RK: Lucien Coleman?

DF: No.

RK: Eugene Hassenfus?

DF: Yes.

RK: How do you know Mr. Hassenfus? Or know of?

DF: My father had stated about Eugene Hassenfus and supposedly Mr.
Hassenfus was supposed to be taken out on a mission, a drug running mission.
Well, we finally looked up Eugene Hassenfus. I have never spoken to Eugene, I
have only spoken to Sally and Eugene, there was no way he was discussing
anything. He refused.

RK: And who is Sally?

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DF: His wife.

RK: Are they still married that you know of?

DF: I do not know. As of two years ago they still were.

RK: Alfred Hartman?

DF: No.

RK: Bruce Rappaport?

DF: No.

RK: Kathy Corrigan Dan?

DF: No.

RK: James Nugen?

DF: No.

RK: Mochtar Riady?

DF: Well I have heard the name but my father never mentioned him.

RK: Did your father ever mention Jackson Stevens?

DF: In reference to Mena, Arkansas, yes.

RK: And what did he say about Mr. Stevens?

DF: Derogatory and that he was the backing of most of the money for half of
this stuff.

RK: Half of which stuff?

DF: A lot of drugs that were coming into Mena and that is where he knew Barry
Seal from also, Mena, Arkansas.

RK: William Weld?

DF: No.

RK: James Catel?

DF: No.

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RK: Now these diaries he had mentioned that he had, did he mention who they
belong to?

DF: Sandy's wife.

RK: Did he mention any names?

DF: Sandy's wife, she had diaries.

RK: Was he more specific about that?

DF: The diaries could harm a lot of people in the military.

RK: Did he say how?

DF: Only that they can do harm to a lot of people within the military.

RK: Was he any more specific about identifying the diaries?

DF: In what sense?

RK: Color?

DF: Blue.

RK: He stated that they were blue?

DF: They were in his possession.

RK: Right. Did you see them or did he tell you they were blue?

DF: I saw the diaries.

RK: How do you know they were the diaries?

DF: He said that they were Sandy's diaries.

RK: So your father…..

DF: Sandy's wife's diaries. Let me straighten that out.

RK: Right. So your father identified them as Mrs. Tyree's diaries?

DF: Sandy's wife's diaries.

RK: So he only identified them as Sandy's wife?

DF: Yes.
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RK: Okay. How many were there?

DF: I do not remember. I cannot tell you. There were a couple of them, I know
that. And they were not the type of diary that kids have, you know that they have
the lock on them or anything. They almost looked like a thin telephone book,
memo type.

RK: Did you at any time that your father had them get an opportunity to look at
them?

DF: No.

RK: So all you knew was that there were some diaries, they were blue, and they
were identified as Sandy's wife's and that they were dangerous to military
people. Did he mention any particular military people?

DF: No.

RK: Did he mention any location of the military people?

DF: No.

RK: William Jefferson Clinton?

DF: The President of the United States.

RK: The present president, yes. Did your father have any association with him?

DF: I don't know if he had association with him. All that I know is that there
were dealings in Mena, Arkansas for drug running while he was governor.

RK: Did your father indicate that Governor Clinton knew about the drug
running?

DF: Of course. Oh, I am sorry.

RK: Okay, that is fine. Did he say how he knew the governor knew, did he
indicate how the governor would know about the drug running?

DF: Because there was a meeting at one time off record between Ollie North and
George Bush and they had met Bill Clinton in Mena, Arkansas.

RK: So Oliver North and George Bush went to Mena, Arkansas and met with
Governor Clinton.

DF: Exactly.

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RK: How does your father know this?

DF: Because my father was in Mena.

RK: At the same meeting?

DF: I don't know if he was at the meeting but he was there.

RK: But he saw the three gentlemen together and doesn't know what they talked
about?

DF: Never said.

RK: Southern Comfort?

DF: Good drink, I don't know.

RK: Angelo Regario?

DF: My cousin.

RK: And is Mr. Regario employed?

DF: Self-employed.

RK: And what does he do for a business?

DF: Fish at one time. I don't know what he does now okay. He was in the fish
business, Fulton Fish Market.

RK: And was that his only job?

DF: He was affiliated with the Colombo family.

RK: Neal Delacroci?

DF: Angelo Delacroci's brother. Family. Fourth or fifth cousin.

RK: Blood family.

DF: Blood.

RK: Was he associated with the other family?

DF: Oh yes.

RK: Gunther Rusbacher?

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DF: Okay, I have heard of Gunther Rusbacher through a gentleman by the name
of Rodney Stitch who stated that he knew my father, Gunther stated he knew my
father and about my dad but Gunther has refused to speak to me at any time
supposedly because he is very ill.

RK: Did your father ever mention him?

DF: No.

RK: Tomaso Buschetta?

DF: Buschetta, yes.

RK: And how do you know Tomaso?

DF: A family acquaintance. Organized crime.

RK: Richard Brennecke?

DF: Richard Brennecke. I have heard of him but I do not remember if it was
through my father.

RK: Salvatore Realli?

DF: No.

RK: Did your father ever mention Task Force Bravo?

DF: Yeah, Task Force Bravo. Yes and I do not remember why, where or when
but yes.

RK: Task Force 157?

DF: No.

RK: Enterprise?

DF: No.

RK: Claire Elroy George?

DF: No.

RK: Task Force 160?

DF: No, my father never mentioned anything to do with Task Force and num-
bers but I know Task Force Bravo.

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RK: Enrique Bermudas?

DF: No.

RK: Archer?

DF: Archer? No.

RK: Archer Teams?

DF: No.

RK: Scott Barnes?

DF: No.

RK: Now you mentioned that you had talked to or met with Richard Armitage?

DF: No, I have never spoken to Richard Armitage or met with him.

RK: I'm sorry. Do you know Mr. Armitage?

DF: No.

RK: Do you know of Mr. Armitage?

DF: Of him.

RK: How do you know of him?

DF: My father working with him as far as the Golden Triangle in Vietnam
between 66 and I think 67, the same time with Theodore Shackley.

RK: Eric Von Marbod?

DF: No.

RK: Richard Allen?

DF: No.

RK: David Walker?

DF: I don't think so, no.

RK: James Sabo?

DF: Colonel Sabo.


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RK: How do you know of Colonel Sabo?

DF: It is not through my father, it is through what happen with Colonel Sabo.
Okay.

RK: Carl Jenkins?

DF: No.

RK: Mr. Sasaki?

DF: No.

RK: Monsignor John O'Brien?

DF: No.

RK: John Voight?

DF: The actor, John Voight? No.

RK: I don't believe so.

DF: No.

RK: Pasquale Carone?

DF: Yes.

RK: And how do you know Pasquale Carone?

DF: He is my father's brother.

RK: This was the same uncle who was the physician?

DF: Psychiatrist.

RK: Who is the psychiatrist. And do you speak with your uncle?

DF: No I don't.

RK: Now when your father became ill, being a psychiatrist, your uncle would
have certain medical skills. Was he involved in any treatment with your father?

DF: No, but he wanted to be.

RK: And he was not allowed?


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DF: No.

RK: At whose desire?

DF: My father's but mine because I held the Power of Attorney.

RK: What did your father say about it?

DF: Not to trust his brother under any conditions.

RK: Have you had any dealings with your uncle?

DF: Quite a few.

RK: Excuse me?

DF: Quite a few.

RK: Quite a few. Does he know anything about the property you are seeking?

DF: Yes.

RK: Has he passed that information to you?

DF: About any property?

RK: Right.

DF: My uncle will not help me in any way. My uncle told me I am opening up a
Pandora's box. My uncle told me if I continued, I would be disowned by him.
My uncle thinks I am totally crazy and that I need to be put on Thorazine. He
has stated that he would get medical care for me because I need to drop all of
this nonsense and it will only cause a problem within the family.

RK: So how does he know about the missing property?

DF: Because we spoke about it.

RK: And did you tell him?

DF: Of course I told him.

RK: Do you have an impression that he already knew about it?

DF: I have an impression that my Uncle Pat knows everything. My Uncle Pat,
when he first came down he flew in from New York for three hours to see my
father. The doctor at that time was the doctor, James Thesing, they had gotten in
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an argument. My Uncle Pat wanted the medical records. Dr. Thesing would not
release them. My Uncle Pat told me not to listen to anything my father was
discussing with me. He was disillusional and I needed to leave him to the state.
My father proceeded to tell me not to trust his brother in any way and under no
conditions let him succeed in what he was doing. My Uncle Pat came back on
another visit, stayed for four hours on the second time and proceeded to discuss
matters again. Dr. Ericson, which was another doctor, felt that he should be put
on kidney dialysis. Dr. Thesing felt that it would not help under any conditions
because there was chemical toxicity of unknown etiology involved with my
father and he stated that kidney dialysis would not help my father because due to
the chemical toxicity of unknown etiology my father's organs were starting to
deteriorate. My Uncle Pat's attitude was let them do what they have to do with
him, leave him to the state. He got back on his plane and he left.

RK: Have you talked to your uncle since then?

DF: Yes I have. I have had three different arguments with the man.

RK: Does the name George DeMorenschildt seem familiar?

DF: No.

RK: There is another name….we have come up with some names that are
pretty…..

RK: Daniel Arnold?

DF: No.

RK: Michael Vincent Menzi?

DF: Menzi? Yes, but I don't know from where.

RK: McMichael?

DF: David McMichael?

RK: David McMichael.

DF: Yes.

RK: And how do you know of David McMichael?

DF: Because when all of this happened with my father and things started
disappearing, my father at one time had mentioned a gentleman by the name of
Victor Marketti who is with the CIA. I called Mr. Marketti and he told me he
couldn’t help me but he gave me the phone number to David McMichael. I
spoke to David McMichael and he told me that it was a really touchy situation
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and that he could not help me. So it went down the line to everybody that I am
now in contact with.

RK: Now, you stated your father was a bag man for the organized crime and
then in fact was a bag man for Central Intelligence?

DF: Yes.

RK: So, what did he do as a bagman?

DF: For which?

RK: Well, we know what he did for organized crime, let's say for the CIA.

DF: Okay, my father never referred to himself as a bagman for the CIA. He
referred to himself as a paymaster and it seems that according to what my father
told me while he was ill, that he went to pay operations, Black operations were
paid through my father. If people needed to be hired, they were hired through
my father. If people needed to be eliminated, he was then one who was the final,
I guess, down the line, to give the order.

RK: Did he mention where he got the money?

DF: No.

RK: Any location?

DF: There were different banks that were involved.

RK: Did he mention those banks?

DF: Yes.

RK: Republic National Bank? He mentioned that?

DF: Yes.

RK: Concordia Federal?

DF: There are a couple of banks that he had mentioned and written down with
the bank accounts on them, okay, but unless it is sitting in front of me, you
know, Cayman Islands was a good one too.

RK: Bank of Zurich?

DF: Yes.

RK: Nat West?


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DF: Definitely.

RK: Have you heard of…..

DF: Also the World Bank.

RK: The World Bank?

DF: Yes.

RK: Okay. Have you heard your father refer to a Mr. Pingeron?

DF: Pincheron. Now this is funny you should say that because Gunther
Rossbacher came back and stated that one of my father's names that he went by
was Pincheron.

RK: So your father used aliases? Was that what Mr. Rossbacher was referring
to?

DF: Yes.

RK: Now you know that because of the conversation with Mr. Rossbacher?

DF: I never spoke to him. He spoke through Rodney Stitch and Rodney Stitch
would call me.

RK: Okay, so Rodney would tell you. So you really don't know if your father
used aliases or not?

DF: No, the only thing I can tell you is that Gunther went back to Rodney and
told him that my father went by the name of Pincheron supposedly in the
Chicago area.

RK: Just a couple of more things. So your father basically was involved with
organized crime and assisted them in various and sundry crimes?

DF: Yes.

RK: He was a bagman?

DF: Yes he was.

RK: And the usual connotation of a bagman is….

DF: He paid people off.

RK: Paying off….


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DF: To look the other way.

RK: The usual connotation is illegal?

DF: He paid certain people off in NYPD for the drugs that they were bringing in
from South America through the Central Intelligence Agency to look the other
way. He paid people off to do things in this country that they used the Mafia for
at times that were working for the CIA to do criminal activities in this country.

RK: And he would hire those people?

DF: Certainly.

RK: And he would pay those people?

DF: Certainly.

RK: And he would fire those people/

DF: Certainly.

RK: In some manner.

DF: Exactly.

RK: And he was involved with drug running as a military officer?

DF: Yes.

RK: So, this person and I mean no disrespect, so this person….

DF: Was as dirty as the day is long.

RK: Okay. If he told me something, he said to me, "Mr. Kohlman, A is B." Why
would I believe him?

DF: Because my father would not lie when he was telling someone something,
maybe for operations but at the point in my father's life when he knew he was
terminal and when he was dying, he needed to get it out because he said that
things were running amuck and what they originally started out to do was not
what it wound up to be, so if my father would look at you and say, "Mr.
Kohlman, A is B, you can go to the bank on it."

RK: After 85. Now, in your search for records and property and so on and so
forth, have you or do you know of any problems that you have had or that
family members have had because of your search?

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DF: Well, let me see. Mr. James Strauss himself came to see us. I told Mr.
Strauss that I knew that the agency had eliminated my father. The man looked at
me and he said, "well, can you bite the bullet and go on?" The man also told me
I could never play chess unless I knew how to play without the chessboard
because I would be in checkmate at all times. He told me that my children could
not be watched at all times. He told me if I win, I will lose. His exact words to
me were, "when you win, you lose and when you lose, you lose."

RK: Okay. You have how many children?

DF: Two.

RK: And how old are they?

DF: I have a son who is 25 and a daughter who is 23. My son is with the
Bernoleo County Sheriff's Department. He is in extradition. I guess it must have
been in September of 1997 when he was at Albuquerque International Airport
here in New Mexico. He pulled in with his police car to a restricted area. His
partner noticed that someone was taking pictures of him in a restricted area with
a zoom lens. They were oriental. There were three. Albuquerque Airport police
told them that they could not do anything because it was not illegal to take a
picture of anyone whether they were in restricted area or not. I have been
followed.

RK: Just a minute. So how do you know this incident occurred and…..let's take
a break now.

RK: The time is now 1:19 p.m. We are now off the record.

RK: How do you know that incident occurred?

DF: Because my son called me. His partner at the time was a gentleman whose
first name was Ruben, that was there. How do I know that occurred? I was told
by my son and his partner.

RK: So if we were to speak to your son, what is your son's name?

DF: Vincent.

RK: Was he named after anybody?

DF: My father.

RK: Picked it out after his grandfather. So if we were to talk to Vincent, the
stories would be pretty much the same?

DF: Oh yes.

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RK: And if we were to talk to his partner, what was his partner's name again
please?

DF: I think he was with a gentleman by the name of Ruben at the time.

RK: And Ruben would pretty much substantiate Vincent's impression of what
happened?

DF: Yes.

RK: Now you were stating that you were threatened? Was that your word?

DF: I have been followed. I took what Jim Strauss said to me as a threat that I
cannot watch my children 24 hours a day. I have been followed. I have had my
horses turned loose. Got my wire fencing totally cut.

RK: Okay, excuse me a minute. Not knowing much about horses, I do know that
they appear to be a lot smarter than people think. How do you know the wires
were cut?

DF: Because you can see on the wire that they were clipped. On the wire
fencing.

RK: Okay. Are your horses shoed? Do they have steel horseshoes or….

DF: No.

RK: Okay. Go ahead. Are there any other incidences?

DF: They have been let out twice. Boy, I just lost my train of thought. Police
reports have been made. They are documented with Corales Police Department.
A threatening phone call came, Rose telegram, to call a certain number and it
was addressed to my husband, Tom. When the number was called, if I am not
mistaken, I think it was something to do with, I can't remember the wording on
it but the police report would have it.

RK: And what date was that?

DF: It was Easter Sunday.

RK: What year?

DF: Last year, 1997. Okay, a threatening phone call.

RK: And what do you have in your hands please?

DF: Oh, I have the police report.

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RK: And this is the police report you just were referring to?

DF: Yes.

RK: Okay, would you show that to the camera please? Now on the upper right
hand, left hand…on the upper corner there is a date?

DF: 5/12/97.

RK: Was that the date you called in the report?

DF: Date reported was 5/14/97.

RK: Okay. And the date of the incident was?

DF: 5/12/97.

RK: Was there a time given for the incident, not the reporting of the incident but
the incident? Was there a time?

DF: The Mailgram came on the 12th. I called on the 14th, I called even though it
said for Tom to call.

RK: Okay.

DF: And I called in the morning. I think it was early in the morning.

RK: Okay, so this police report is on file?

DF: Oh yes.

RK: With the Corales Police Department/

DF: Yes.

RK: Okay. So if we were to go down there, we could get the original?

DF: Oh yes.

RK: Okay. Were there any other incidences?

DF: Mostly with the horses. My horses are constantly, all my gates being
opened.

RK: If you would, keeping in mind my premise that horses are a lot smarter than
people would like to think they are. Couldn't the horses have opened the gates
themselves?

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DF: I tell you what, if they could I would be a very rich woman because they
would be very well trained, no. Sorry but no.

RK: Okay. All right. I want to thank you very much.

DF: Thank you.

This concludes the testimony of Desiree A. Ferdinand. The time is now 1:25
p.m. This is tape #2.

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AFFIDAVIT OF EDWARD P. CUTOLO

I, Edward P. Cutolo, having been duly sworn, do state under oath:

1. I am currently the Commanding Officer of the 10th Special


Forces Group (Airborne), 1st Special Forces, Fort Devins, Massa-
chusetts.

2. I swear affirmation to the content of this affidavit freely and


without coercion or threat to my person.

3. In Dec., 1975, I spoke with Col. “Bo” Baker concerning a


classified mission he commanded during that month inside Colum-
bia. The Mission was known as Watch Tower.

4. Following a lengthy discussion with Col. Baker, I was intro-


duced to Mr. Edwin Wilson and Mr. Frank Terpil. Both Wilson
and Terpil were in the employ of the Central Intelligence Agency.
Both Wilson and Terpil inquired if I was interested in working for
short periods of time in Columbia and I acknowledged that I was.

5. In Feb., 1976, I commanded the second Watch Tower Mission


into Columbia. This mission was 22 days long and ended with
only one reportable incident occurring between team members and
a Colombian Army unit. There were no fatalities received by
Watch Tower team members. There was no indication that the
Colombian Army unit sustained fatalities.

6. The purpose of Operation Watch Tower was to establish a series


of three electronic beacon towers beginning outside of Bogota,
Colombia and running northeast to the border of Panama. Once
the Watch Tower teams (Special Actin Teams) were in place, the
beacon was activated to emit a signal that aircraft could fix on and
fly undetected from Bogota into Panama, then land at Albrook Air
Station.

7. During the Feb., 1976 Watch Tower Mission, 30 high perfor-


mance aircraft landed safely at Albrook Air Station where the
planes were met by Col. Tony Noriega, who is a Panama Defence
Force Officer currently assigned to the Customs and Intelligence
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Section. Noriega normally was in the company of other PDF
officers known to me as Major Diaz-Herrera, Major Luis del Cid,
Major Ramirez. Also present at most of the arrivals was Edwin
Wilson, and an unidentified male Israeli national.

8. The cargo flown from Columbia into Panama was cocaine.

9. The male Israeli national was identified and known to members


of the 570th Military Intelligence Group in Panama who only
specified that this individual had the authority from the U.S. Army
Southern Command in Panama to be in the A.O..

10. In March, 1976, a third Watch Tower Mission was imple-


mented and I was in command of that mission which lasted 29
days and engaged in the same tactics used in the Feb., 1976 mis-
sion. The March mission encountered a serious accident and
resulted in several SAT members being injured from wounds
suffered while attempting to exfiltrate from Colombia across the
border into Panama where helicopters were waiting to extract
them.

11. The March, 1976 mission incident occurred as the SAT that
was on station at Turbo, Colombia, encountered 40 to 50 armed
men. Action Intelligence reports identified the armed men as local
bandits. In regards to this incident the helicopters waiting in
Panama, to extract the SAT, entered Colombian air space without
authorization and successfully extracted the SAT, after an esti-
mated six or seven minute fire fight.

12. During the March, 1976, Watch Tower Mission, 40 high


performance aircraft landed safely at Albrook Air Station where
they were met in the previously related fashion by those named.

1. After the Watch Tower Mission in March, 1976, I lost touch


with several of the men who had served on the SATs, but made no
attempt to locate them.

14. In 1978, I assumed command of the 10th Special forces Group


(airborne) at Fort Devens and recognized two soldiers.

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15. The two soldiers I recognized were assigned to 10th Special
forces Group (airborne). One was assigned to a special Forces
Operational Detachment Alpha in the 3rd Battalion, Sgt. John
Newby. The other had just been reassigned off an Operational
Detachment Alpha following a criminal investigation Division
matter being filed against him, PFC William Tyree. Tyree was
reassigned to a Forward Support Team but had been carried for the
preceding month on 2nd Battalion’s roster.

16. Upon the assumption of command, I created and implemented


12 separate SATs. Their mission was to implement Army Regula-
tion 340-18-5 (file number 503-05). My authority for this action
came directly from FORSCOM through Edwin Wilson who ap-
peared before me in my office at 10th Special Forces Group Head-
quarters. This action was taken to develop surveillance of politi-
cians, judicial figures, law enforcement agencies at the state level,
and of religious figures.

17. Mr. Edwin Wilson explained that it was considered that Opera-
tion Watch Tower might be compromised and become known if
politicians, judicial figures, police and religious entities were
approached or received word that U.S. Troops had aided in deliver-
ing narcotics from Columbia into Panama. Based on that possibil-
ity, intense surveillance was undertaken by my office to ensure if
Watch Tower became known of, the U.S. Government and the
Army would have advance warning and could prepare a defense.

18. I was under orders not to inform Col. Forrest Rittgers, Com-
manding Officer at Ft. Devens. The reason for this order I was
told, is that in the event Ft. Devens personnel are caught in the act
of implementing the surveillance, Col. Rittgers will have a margin
of plausible deniability on which he may be able to downplay and
defend against injuries.

19 The surveillance was unofficially dubbed Operation George


Orwell based on the theme of the surveillance and the George
Orwell published work 1984.

20. I instituted surveillance against Ted Kennedy, John Kerry,


Edward King, Michael Dukakis, Levin H. Campbell, Andrew A.
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Caffee, Fred Johnson, Kenneth A. Chandler, Thomas P. O’Neill to
name a few of the targets. Surveillance at my orders was instituted
at the Governors’ residences of Massachusetts, Maine, New York,
and New Hampshire. The Catholic cathedrals of New York and
Boston were placed under electronic surveillance also. In the area
of Ft. Devens, all local police and politicians were under some sort
of surveillance at various times.

21. I specifically used individuals from the 441st Military Intelli-


gence Detachment and 402 Army Security Agency Detachment
assigned to the 10th Special Forces Group to supplement the SATs
tasked with carrying out Operation Orwell.

22. I also recruited a number of local state employees who worked


within the ranks of local police and as court personnel to assist in
this Operation. They were veterans and had previous security
clearances. They were told at the outset that if they were caught
they were on their own.

23. Among the SAT personnel was (then) SP4 William Tyree.
Tyree had learned of the Operation and requested in person to be
part of it. Tyree was used in less than a dozen surveillances.

24. In Oct., 1978, it became known to me that SP4 Tyree was


receiving telephone threats to his wife and himself. He made that
fact known to his First Sergeant, Fredrick Henry and then ap-
proached me. Following out discussion, I considered placing
Tyree under surveillance to arrive at who was behind the threat and
whether or not the threats had the potential of inspiring or compro-
mising Operation Orwell.

25. On 26 Dec., 1978, I began a file on SP4 Tyree and assigned a


three man surveillance SAT to the multi-dwelling apartment
complex SP4 Three shared with his wife. That unit was in place
from that date until 14 Feb. 1979.

26. On 5 Jan. 1979, Tyree appeared before me to receive a Field


Grade Article-15 (non-judicial punishment) for his part in the theft
and sale of military property. I had to make an example out of
Tyree and institute the most severe punishment possible. I con-
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cluded that with pending congressional inquiries, that Post Com-
mander (Col.. Rittgers) would reverse my decision on appeal in
Pvt. Tyree’s favor. As reason to support this conclusion, in addi-
tion to pending Congressional inquiries, was the fact that the
proceedings against Pvt. Tyree were flawed from the outset of the
investigation with a number of discrepancies.

27. I was told and understood that the main reason for seeking the
Article -15 against him was to make an example of him. To show
others that cooperation with the Command law enforcement
agencies was mandatory.

28. On 26 Jan. 1979, Pvt Three tendered his Appeal of my sanc-


tion. The appeal is attached. It is the best example of what proof
existed against Pvt. Tyree when he came before me on 5 Jan. 1979.
It also names the characters in another matter that was unfolding as
of 26 Jan. 1979.

29. By 29 Jan. 1979, Senator Garn’s office had contacted the


Army Liaison Office in Washington D.C., on the behalf of Pvt.
Tree who referred the matter to my office, as I was Pvt. Tyree’s
commanding officer. I then notified Sgt. Doucette in Washington
D.C., that it would be approximately two weeks before further
action could e taken in regards to the threats Pvt. Tyree was receiv-
ing. At that point I knew the threats were taking place, but had not
ascertained from whence they originated.

30. At approx. 0945 hours on 30 Jan. 1979 Pvt. Tyree reported to


my office at 10th Special Forces Group Headquarters per my
instructions. Pvt. Three reported that between 2400 hours and
0100 hours of the previous night that his wife had received another
threatening phone call. I was notified of the call by the SAT in
place at the Tyree residence prior to speaking with Pvt. Tyree. I
ordered Tyree to keep this matter to himself as it was being investi-
gated. I notified Pvt. Tyree I would contact him between 1200 and
1300 hours at his duty station as soon as I could look into a matter
that pertained to the threats. This meeting lasted until 1019 hours.

31. On 30 Jan. 1979, at approx. 1147 hours, two men were


dropped in the parking area of the apt. complex that Pvt. Tyree
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resided within. One man was identified as Erik Aarhus. The
second man due to his face being covered could not be identified
as the two men entered the apartment building that the Tyree
family resided within. Surveillance indicates that at least one of
the two men entered the Tyree apt. and left prior to the arrival of
Pvt. Tyree and his wife at noon.

32. Following a scream, local police were notified. (This was not
known to the SAT involved in the surveillance however.) The first
police car responded quickly and a single officer entered the
building where the Tyree family resided. After the officer entered
one of the two men exited from a window on the ground floor of
the building. This window was identified as the Tyree bedroom
window. The man seen leaving this window was identified as SP4
Earl M. Peters. Peters exited the window wearing blue denim,
with a red hood sticking out of the rear neck area of the blue denim
jacket. He was carrying a box, green and white in color and
described by the SAT as long and flat in appearance. Peters then
walked from the building to the driveway entrance of the apt.
complex and walked in the general direction of the main street in
Ayer, Massachusetts. Within 5 or 6 minutes after the first police
officer arrived a second officer identified as the (Ayer) Police
Chief arrived.

34. After the Police Chief arrived a third vehicle arrived. This was
10 to 15 minutes later. That vehicle carried an unknown man in his
late 30’s. He was later identified as the landlord of the Tyree apt.

35. Upon knowledge that Mrs. Tyree was dead the SAT did notify
me of this fact and I did place Pvt. Tyree under intense surveil-
lance. In addition I placed SP4 Peters under surveillance and at
approx. 1405 hours on the afternoon of the murder SP4 Peters
signed a weapon (12 gauge shotgun, Remington 1100) into the
Service Company. The weapon was in a long, flat green and white
box bearing the name “Remington” across the front and back sides.

36. Pvt. Tyree was questioned and cooperated in a limited fashion.


He was then taken to the 441 Military Intelligence Detachment
where he slept on the Commanding officer’s couch, under guard.
The following morning, I spoke to him in my office at 10th Special
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Forces Group Headquarters. I informed him of the surveillance
and of what I new had occurred to his wife. He knew at that point
that SP4 Peters and Pvt. Aarhus had been involved in the murder
and he began to talk to me.

37. Pvt. Tyree admitted, on 31 Jan. 1979 in my office to me, that


his wife had been killed, he felt, because of a set of diaries she
kept. Tyree explained that SP4 Peters and SP4 Rosario were
named throughout the book as being involved in illegal matters on
and around Ft. Devens. I knew Rosario had been alleged to be
involved in such matters and knew the information could be true.
Then Pvt. Tyree admitted that his wife knew of Operation Watch
Tower and Orwell, as he had seen it in her diaries the previous
night. Pvt. Tyree swore he didn’t reveal the Operations to her and I
believed him. Tyree didn’t know where the diaries were at this
time.

38. Upon Pvt. Tyree leaving my office, I initiated contact with


Mass. State Police Lieutenant J. Dwyer, of the Middlesex District
Attorney’s office. Lt. Dwyer had cooperated previously on Opera-
tion Orwell and understood the urgency of the situation and Lt.
Dwyer notified me that during a search of the Tyree apt. he discov-
ered the diaries behind the refrigerator with a note to the family of
Elaine Tyree. He did not disclose the contents of the note.

39. Shortly before noon on 2 Feb. 1979, I received a telephone call


from Lt. Dwyer indicating he would drop off the diaries belonging
to Elaine Tyree at my office. Upon receipt of the diaries I re-
viewed them, noting much of Operation Watch Tower and Orwell
was written about throughout the many pages of the diaries.

40. After my review, I contacted Col. Moore of the U.S. Army


Liaison in Washington D.C., and notified him of the scope of the
issues involved in the murder of Elaine Tyree. I did notify him at
the time of the possibility that arms and narcotics trafficking
played a role in her murder. Due to security issues surrounding
Operation Watch Tower and Orwell, I did not indicate how the
arms and narcotics trafficking figured in the murder of Elaine
Tyree, however.

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41. Despite repeated warnings to stay out of the investigation and
to remain silent, Tyree was arrested on 1 Feb. 1979, after attempt-
ing to bring about the arrest of Pvt. Aarhus. The surveillance SAT
reported that an armed confrontation between Pvt. Tyree and SP4
Peters occurred prior to the arrest of Tyree.

42. During Feb. 1979, Pvt Tyree was arraigned on the pending
civilian criminal charges. It was too risky to allow a military court
to review the charges against Pvt. Tyree with Operation Orwell still
ongoing and Senator Garn’s office requesting a full investigation.
Pvt. Tyree therefore had to stand before a civilian court of law on
the criminal charges.

43. Prior to the arrest of Pvt. Tyree, Lt. Dwyer approached me and
insisted on knowing whether or not Tyree had ever served in
Vietnam. I suspect Lt. Dwyer was attempting to learn if Tyree’s
involvement in the military operations elsewhere were being
covered up the way Operation Watch Tower was. I replied in the
negative, that Tyree had neve been in the Republic of South Viet-
nam. I then contemplated for the first time that Tyree might go
public on Operation Watch Tower and Orwell because I had not
come forward. Based on that conclusion, I gave orders to erase
certain parts of his military record.

44. Actual information erased included the attendance of Pvt..


Tyree at certain service schools and reference to overseas service.
I ordered all records to be erased that linked Pvt. Tyree to Opera-
tion Watch Tower or Orwell. Service schools and badges I know
were erased were “Paper Flash Special Forces Qualification,”
“Crewman’s Aviator Wings,” “Canadian Airborne Badge,” and
“Master Parachute Badge.” I also gave orders to disenfranchise
Pvt. Tyree from Special Forces. I wanted no one standing up for
him and in the process dragging the information concerning Opera-
tion Watch Tower into the public eye.

45. Unbeknownst to him, Pvt. Tyree underwent a hearing on the


criminal charges in a local courthouse, under surveillance of
Operation Orwell. I learned through transmissions that Tyree only
spoke of defense issues with his attorney, but neve mentioned
Operation Watch Tower or Orwell. In the process of Pvt. Tyree’s
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hearing, a state police officer from Lt. Dwyer’s office discovered
the state courthouse was under surveillance. This led to the arrest
of the senior Court Officer Ira Kiezer, who took full responsibility
and never mentioned my office.

46. After the hearing concluded, the presiding judge in the Tyree
matter found no reason to bind Tyree over for the trial on the
murder of his wife. I found myself faced with the possibility that
Pvt. Tyree, upon release, would become angered at my decision to
disfranchise him. So I approached Lt. Dwyer who informed me
that an indictment had already been secured for Tyree and that he
would stand trial for the charge of murder. Lt. Dwyer expressed
concern that there would not be enough evidence to warrant a
guilty finding against Tyree. Lt. Dwyer indicated that the only
person with enough credibility was SP4 Peters. I could not inform
Lt. Dwyer that Peters had been the person responsible for Elaine
Tyree’s murder.

47. After weeks of consideration, I concluded that the security of


Operation Watch Tower and Orwell came first and AR 340-18-5
strictly prohibited the disclosure of intelligence gathering pursuant
to that regulation.

48. On 29 Feb. 1980, Pvt. Tyree was convicted of murder and will
spend the duration of his life incarcerated. I could not disseminate
intelligence gathered under Operation Orwell to notify civilian
authorities who actually killed Elaine Tyree.

49. The current intelligence on Archbishop Romero (el Salvador)


indicates he is in receipt of physical evidence supporting several
allegations that the U.S. is currently with Honduras, Costa Rica, El
Salvador and Panama covertly training and sponsoring freedom
fighters attempting to overthrow the current regime in Nicaragua;
that these freedom fighters are also being supported from funds
arising from Operation Watch Tower in part; that Mr. Robert
D’Aubuisson (El Salvador) secretly aided the freedom fighters by
allowing U.S. advisors to train the freedom fighters inside El
Salvador, that D’Aubuisson was contacted by Edwin Wilson and
Frank Terpil prior to the freedom fighters being trained inside El
Salvador. This information made it necessary to protect Operation
Watch Tower and Orwell regardless of the costs.
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50. I have been in communication with Lt. Dwyer. In Nov. 1979,
after some prodding, Lt. Dwyer and the Middlesex District Attor-
ney went to the Mass. Supreme Court and attained a ruling that
prohibits any court but the Mass. Supreme Court from ordering the
arrest of suspects in the Tyree murder. I am told that this is without
precedent and that normally any court can issue arrest warrants for
suspects in a murder. This will ensue that only Tyree and Aarhus
are arrested for the murder and that SP4 peters will not have to be
subjected to having to defend himself on the witness stand. That
also could bring about the entire matter being made public as by
this time, I’m sure SP4 Peters is acutely aware that something is
afoot, or he would have been arrested when the hearing in the local
courthouse was held.

51. I mailed the diaries of Elaine Tyree to a post office box num-
ber in Langley, Virginia, per instructions of Edwin Wilson who
contacted me by telephone concerning the diaries. Wilson also
notified me of the intelligence on Archbishop Romero.

52. I reviewed the diaries prior to mailing them. The diaries


contained most of the information on SP4 peters, as Pvt. Tyree
indicated they did. I suspect that this was the motive for Peters’
killing Elaine tree. The diaries contained no mention of Pvt. Tyree
or his alleged illegal dealings. I suspect that Elaine Tyree only
wrote in the diaries relating to soldiers other than her husband, who
were involved in illegal activities in and around Ft. Devens.

53. The diaries kept by elaine Tyree mentioned certain personal


entries that can corroborate the fact that I saw the diaries, that they
exist, and that the information contained within them is accurate.
There were numerous entries relating to Elaine Hebb Tyree’s
family in Maryland and her friends in the Army.

54. Jan. 1978 entry: “rosemary got a job with the FBI and has to
be in Washington D.C. by Jan. 31, 1978. Cindy and Edie got out
of the hospital today (Thursday).”

55. From reading the entry on Cindy and Edie I suspect the actual
date of their release from the hospital was 12 Jan. 1978. But no
specific date was given, nor was the hospital named that they were
admitted to.
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56. Jan. 1978 entry: “Rosemary will be leaving for Wash. D.C.,
on Sunday. I may ride back with her.”

57. From reading the entry on Rosemary driving to Washington, I


suspect the actual date Rosemary left the Hebb family home in
Cumberland, Maryland to travel to Washington, possibly with
Elaine Tyree, was 29 Jan. 1978. No actual date was given in the
diaries, nor was there further mention of whether or not Elaine
Tyree actually rode back with her.

58. Nov. 1978 entry: “SP5 Scott had a little baby girl. She was
due in July. I remember her back before she came to Ft. Devens.”

59. From reading the entries on SP5 Scott which begin to appear
in the diaries around April 1978, I suspect this female was a mem-
ber of a Unit Elaine Tyree was assigned to either at ft. Lee, Vir-
ginia, or at Ft. McClellan, Alabama. In either case, this is an
intimate fact obviously known only to elaine Tyree, as no one else
would need or have knowledge about when another female friend
gave birth, and the gender of the baby born to that female friend.

60. Jan. - Feb. 198 entries: “I’ve been running around with Heidi
Urban. We go all over together when I don’t have duty. Oh, yeah,
diary, Pat Imbu left in mid-January.”

61. From reading the entries on Heidi Urban the main fact appears
obvious is that Elaine Tyree is then at Ft. Lee, Virginia. That Pvt.
William Tyree is not present as he is at Ft. Devens, Mass. Other
than Elaine and Heidi, no one, specifically not Pvt. Tyree or myself
could know that Elaine and Heidi are “running around together” at
that time, unless these facts are represented in the diaries main-
tained by Elaine Tyree in her own handwriting. Elaine Tyree was
assigned to Company C, 1st Battalion, Quartermaster School.

62. Nov. 1978 entry: “Dear Diary, my brother Steven who has
been stationed in England for over a year is coming home on the
20th for good.”

63. From reading the entries on Steven, I learned that he is cur-


rently assigned to an Air Force Base in England and that Elaine
Tyree got along well with him.
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64. From further consideration and reading entries on SP5 Scott, I
conclude that Elaine Tyree knew this female at Ft. Lee, Virginia, in
the sense that both Scott and Elaine Tyree underwent the same
training there. I don’t gather from the entries that SP5 Scott
married or had a name change between her duty at Ft. Lee, Vir-
ginia, and Ft. Devens, Mass., but I could be forgetting or overlook-
ing the numerous personal entries in the diaries in an attempt only
to view data pertinent to Operation Watch Tower or Orwell.

65. Nov. 1978 entry: “Peters came by the apartment today. Bill
spoke with him in the front room while I was washing dishes.
Peters is thinking about buying a new truck. Bill asked Peters if he
was going to have Denni Testagrossa steal this new truck and burn
it so Peters could collect the insurance the way Peters had the last
time? Peters laughed and said the payments are better on this truck
than the one he had Testagrossa steal from the parking lot of
Carlini’s Bar. This was the first I knew that Peters was involved in
the stealing of his own truck. Peters told me Bill was not involved
because at the time Bill was under too much attention.”

66. To date, I have not actually seen proof that Pvt. Tyree was
involved in illegal activities. I have seen ample proof that he is
foolish and eager to do things his way, since Pvt. Tyree’s involve-
ment in the March 1976 Watch tower incident with the 40-50
armed Colombians.

67. I have detailed pertinent events in this affidavit should some-


thing happen to me. The lug nuts have been loosened on my car
tires twice in the past week. I have had someone tamper with my
car once and I have received telephone calls at my home where no
one answered at the other end. I have seen other men involved in
Operation Watch Tower meet accidental deaths after they were also
threatened.

68. Sgt. John Newby reported that he had received threats just
prior to the parachuting accident that claimed his life in Oct. 1978.
It was at that time that (then) SP4 Tyree began to report threatening
phone calls. I saw a pattern and still believe that a pattern exists.

69. I gave Col. Baker the original copy of this affidavit. I have
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true copies to Hugh B. Pearce, and to Paul (-)leri of the National
Security Agency and instructed each person to deliver this affidavit
to the authorities in the event something occurs to me.

70. I believe the friends I have entrusted with the original and
copies of this affidavit will place the National Security of the
United States and American interests in Latin America first, and if
circumstances allow, will bring this affidavit to the attention of the
authorities in the event something occurs to me.

71. During the conversation with Edwin Wilson I was informed of


the sensitive data related to Archbishop Romero. He also spoke to
me concerning Operation Watch Tower and the geopolitical cli-
mate in Latin America and the need to maintain security. I (typo)
him that I had requested to release intelligence gathered from
Operation Orwell to civilian police authorities involved in the
Elaine Tyree murder and that the Staff Judge Advocate’s Office
had denied the request.

72. Edwin Wilson explained that Operation Watch Tower had to


remain secret and gave these reasons: (1) if it became public
knowledge it would undermine present government interests as
well as those in the future. (2) There are similar operations being
implemented elsewhere in the world. Wilson named the “golden
Triangle” of Southeast Asia and Pakistan. Wilson stated in both
areas of the world the CIA and other intelligence agencies are
using the illegal narcotics flow to support forces fighting to over-
throw communist governments, or governments that are not
friendly towards the U.S.. Wilson named several recognized
officials of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Burma, Korea, Thailand and
Cambodia as being aware and consenting to these arrangements,
similar to the ones in Panama. (3) Wilson cited the military coup
in Argentina in 1976, the coup in Peru in 1976, the fall of the
Somoza government in Nicaragua in 9179, and the growing civil
war in El Salvador as examples of the need for operations like
Watch Tower. As these operations funded the ongoing effort to
combat communism and defeat actions directed against the United
States or matters concerning the U.S..

73. Edwin Wilson explained that the profit from the sale of narcot-
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over 70% of the profits were laundered through the banks in
Panama. The remaining percentage was funneled through Swiss
banks with a small remainder being handled by banks within the
U.S.. Wilson indicated that a large portion of the profits are
brought into the banks of Panama without being checked. I under-
stood that some of the profits in Panamanian banks arrived through
Israeli couriers. I became aware of that fact from normal conversa-
tions with some of the Embassy personnel assigned to the Embassy
in Panama. Wilson also stated that an associate whom I don’t
know also aided in overseeing the laundering of funds, which was
then used to purchase weapons to arm the various factions that the
CIA saw as friendly towards the U.S.. The associates name is Tom
Clines. Wilson indicated that most of Operation Watch Tower was
implemented on the authority of Clines.

74. I was notified by Edwin Wilson that the information forwarded


to Wash. D.C., was disseminated to private corporations who were
developing weapons for the Dept. of Defense. Those private
corporations were encouraged to use the sensitive information
gathered from surveillance on U.S. Senators and Representatives
as leverage to manipulate those Congressmen into approving
whatever costs the weapons system incurred.

75. Edwin Wilson named thee weapons systems when he spoke of


private corporations receiving information from Operation Orwell.
(1) An armored vehicle. (2) An aircraft that is invisible to radar.
(3) A weapons system that utilizes kinetic energy. I got the im-
pression this weapon was being developed either for use by NASA
or for CBR purposes. I wrote down what I recalled at the time and
it is attached.

76. Edwin Wilson indicated to me during our conversation which


entailed the dissemination of Operation Orwell information and the
identification of the three weapons systems, that Operation Orwell
would be implemented nationwide by 4 July 1980.

77. As of the date of this affidavit, 8,400 police departments,


1,370 churches and approx. 17,900 citizens have been monitored
under Operation Orwell. The major churches targeted have been
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Catholic and Latter-Day Saints. I have stored certain information
gathered by Operation Orwell on Ft. Devens, and pursuant to
instructions from Edwin Wilson have forwarded additional infor-
mation gathered to Wash. D.C..

78. Per orders from Edwin Wilson, I did not discuss the imple-
mentation of Operation Orwell with my staff or others outside of
the personnel assigned to surveillance. The only matter discussed
with Operation Orwell personnel was what the SATs needed to
know in order to carry out their mission. Certain information was
collected on suspected members of the Trilateral Commission and
the Bilderberg Group. Among those that information was collected
on were Gerald Ford and President Jimmy Carter. Edwin Wilson
indicated that additional surveillance was implemented against
former CIA director George Bush, who Wilson named as a member
of the Trilateral Commission. I do not have personal knowledge
that Ford, Carter or Bush were under surveillance.

79. I spoke to Col. James N. Rowe on 5 March 1980. I specifi-


cally requested that Col. Rowe communicate with several contacts
he has within the CIA. I asked Col. Rowe to check out Edwin
Wilson. I had two concerns. The first was that Edwin Wilson may
pose a threat to National Security by disseminating classified
information on the CIA’s activities to personnel without a clear-
ance or a need to know that information. Edwin Wilson, during his
conversations with me, outlined information that was classified
and to which I had no need to know. Information that pertained to
the activities of the CIA in the U.S. and Latin America. I’ve
related such conversations with Wilson herein. The second con-
cern I had was the issue of his authority and connection to Thomas
Clines. I was told repeatedly that Cline was the agent in charge
and that Wilson worked with Clines. Col. Rowe indicated that he
would make inquiries I requested and would contact me with that
information as soon as he had something. Col. Rowe indicated
that it would be 60 to 90 days before he would speak to the CIA
contact that was most apt to have knowledge of the information I
requested. I agreed to meet Col. Rowe on Ft. Bragg the next week
in June in the event Col. Rowe received documentation relating to
the information I sought.

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80. On 7 march, 1980 Col. Rowe contacted me. During the course
of our conversation Col. Rowe informed me that his initial inquir-
ies with CIA contacts confirmed that Edwin Wilson was working
for Thomas Clines at the times in question. Col. Rowe indicated
that Edwin Wilson was under scrutiny by the CIA at that time but
had not been given the details of the circumstances surrounding the
events of that matter. Col. Rowe also indicated that there was an
Israeli aspect to the matter involving Edwin Wilson and Col. Rowe
provided the name of David Kimche as being the Israeli most
likely to be involved with Edwin Wilson. In regards to my con-
cerns that Edwin Wilson posed a possible threat to national secu-
rity or to the inner working of the CIA, Col. Rowe indicated that
off the record, that was a concern of several people to whom he
had spoken. Col. Rowe also indicated that he would be in receipt
of documentation by the first week of June which listed Edwin
Wilson’s involvement in several operations. I specifically asked
Col. Rowe if he had the names of any of those operations at this
time and his reply was in the negative. Col. Rowe did indicate that
it was his understanding that each operation had basically the same
characters involved and Col. Rowe named two other individuals
involved with Edwin Wilson. Col. Rowe named Robert Gates and
William J. Casey as officials who had been named in the documen-
tation he would acquire prior to our scheduled meeting on June
1980.

81. On 7 March 1980 after my conversation with Col. Rowe, I


made inquiries through Paul Neri and Pentagon contacts and was
informed that David Kimche had ties with the Israeli intelligence
Agency known as “The Mossad.” I also asked that I be provided a
photograph, if any existed, of David Kimche. I requested such a
photograph to determine if Kimche was the unidentified male
Israeli national who met the aircraft flying into Albrook Air Station
during Operation Watch Tower. In addition, I sought whatever
photographs existed on those who were known associates of David
Kimche for the same reason.

82. In March 1980 I received three photographs from Army


Intelligence contacts at the Pentagon. Amongst the three photo-
graphs were two individuals I recognized. David Kimche’s photo-
graph had been shown to me by a friend, Col. Robert Bayard just
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prior to his murder in Atlanta, Georgia in 1977. According to
Bayard, Kimche was due to meet with him later. Shortly thereaf-
ter, I was informed through the normal lines of communication that
Col. bayard was murdered. As of this date his murder remains
unsolved. The photograph of Kimche that Col. Bayard had ap-
peared to be a surveillance photo. There is no doubt that Kimche
was the person Bayard named as being in the photograph. Accord-
ing to Col. Bayard, Kimche was due to meet with him to discuss a
matter that related to Col. bayard’s previous duty in the U.S. Army
and assignment in the CIA.

83. The second individual I recognized from the three photographs


I received, was listed as Michael Harari. I was informed that
Michael Harari is listed as a senior Mossad agent. Harari was the
unidentified male Israeli national that met the aircraft which flew
into Albrook Air Station during Operation Watch Tower. He was
the one who gave Edwin Wilson two briefcases full of U.S. cur-
rency in various denominations. The briefcases were given to
Edwin Wilson at the end of the operations in March and Feb. 1976.
It is my understanding from Pentagon contacts, that Harari’s
activities in Latin America are well known, including his drug
trafficking endeavors. I was also informed from those same con-
tacts that the Pentagon on the orders of several Washington VIPs
have gone to great lengths to keep the activities of Harari a secret.
I have begun preparations to meet with David Kimche or Michael
Harari while in Europe on annual NATO exercises. I intend to
verify that Harari was the individual who gave Edwin Wilson the
briefcases while at Albrook Air Station during Operation Watch
Tower.

84. I was told from Pentagon contacts, off the record, that CIA
Director Stansfield Turner and former CIA Director George Bush
are among the VIPs that shield Harari from public scrutiny. Those
Pentagon contacts further indicated to me their knowledge that
Operation Watch Tower was implemented and of my and of my
involvement in that operation. This was the first time that U.S.
Military authorities confirmed to me that the Operation occurred
and gave their approval. I also learned that Harari was a known
middleman for matters involving the U.S. in Latin America.
Harari acted with the support of a network of Mossad personnel
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throughout Latin America and worked mainly in the import and
export of arms and drug trafficking.

85. As further means to corroborate this affidavit, on 9 Feb. 1979,


I spoke to Col. Rittgers concerning the release of Pvt. Tyree from
Walter Reed Medical Center in Wash. D.C., where he had been
admitted on 5 Feb. 1979. Col. Rittgers notified me that Pvt. Tyree
had fully recovered from the depression which was brought about
by the murder of Elaine Tyree. Col. Rittgers indicated that upon
arrival at Ft. Devens late that day, he would interview Pvt. Tyree to
determine for himself i Pvt Tyree felt he was in any real danger.

86. I also spoke to Captain Gruden who was the Commanding


Officer of the 409th Army Security Agency Company, Augsberg,
Germany. The telephone call was brief and I inquired into what
information PFC Tina Gregory might be expected to give in sup-
port of Pvt. Tyree’s trial defense. The surveillance of the civilian
court house in the early stages of the criminal proceedings against
Pvt. Tyree indicated PFC Gregory could have knowledge of Opera-
tion Watch Tower since PFC Gregory and Elaine Tyree were very
close friends. I was not able to learn much from Cpt. Gruden who
was leaving his office when I called. In order not to attract atten-
tion to the value of the information PFC Gregory may or may not
have, I passed the entire phone call off as being interested on the
part of Pvt. Tyree who was in my command.

SIGNED UNDER THE PAINS AND PENALTIES OF PERJURY


ON THIS 11TH DAY OF MARCH 1980
(signed)
Edward P. Cutolo
Colonel
Infantry Commanding

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NOTE: At the request of Mr. Paul Neri of the National Security
Agency, and after his death on April 29, 1990, the above affidavit
of Col. Edward P. Cutolo was anonymously mailed to The New
York Times, The Washington Post, and the Boston Globe. It was
also received by British investigative journalist David Guyatt, who
published the affidavit as part of an article, “Deep Black.” Guyatt
claims to be in possession of an original copy of the affidavit
which was both signed and notarized.

Col. Cutolo died in an accident in 1980 while on a NATO military


exercise. Just prior to his death he notified Mr. Neri that he was to
meet with Michael Harari, an Israeli Mossad agent. It was Mr.
Neri’s belief, though unsubstantiated, that Harari murdered Col.
Cutolo because of the information Col. Cutolo possessed.

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CLINTON ON MENA:
“They didn’t tell me about it.”

At a news conference in the White House East Room on


Oct. 7, 1994, veteran Washington journalist Sarah McClendon
asked President William Clinton about Republican allegations
blaming him for drug smuggling through Mena, Arkansas. In his
answer, President Clinton said that the state of Arkansas had
nothing to do with the events in question.

President Clinton: Yes, Sarah?

Q: Sir, the Republicans are trying to blame you for the existence
of a small airbase at Mena, Arkansas. This base was set up by
George Bush and Oliver North and the CIA to help the Iran-
Contras, and they brought in planeload after planeload of cocaine
there for sale in the United States, and then they took the money
and bought weapons and took them back to the Contras, all of
which was illegal, as you know, under the Boland Act. But tell me,
did they tell you that this had to be in existence because of national
security?

President Clinton: Well, let me answer the question. No, they


didn’t tell me anything about it. They didn’t say anything to me
about it. The airport in question, and all the events in question,
were the subject of state and federal inquirie. It was primarily a
matter for federal jurisdiction. The state really had next to nothing
to do with it. The local prosecutor did conduct an investigation
based on what was within the jurisdiction of state law. The rest of
it was under the jurisdiction of the United States’ attorneys who
were appointed successively by previous administrations. We had
nothing - zero - to do with it, and everybody who’s ever looked
into it knows that.

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JOINT INVESTIGATION BY THE

ARKANSAS STATE ATTORNEY GENERAL’S OFFICE

AND THE UNITED STATES CONGRESS


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THE ORAL DEPOSITION

OF

WILLIAM C. DUNCAN

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APPEARANCES:

Mr. WILLIAM ALEXANDER, M.C., United States Congress,


233 Cannon House Office Building, Washington, D.C. 20515

*** Apprearing as a Member of the United States Congress


with Investigative Authority under the Constitution ***

MR. WINSTON BRYANT, Attorney General, State of Arkansas,


Office of the Attorney General, 200 Tower Building,
323 Center Street, Little Rock, Arkansas 72201

MR. CHAD FARRIS, Chief Deputy Attorney General, State of


Arkansas, Office of the Attorney General, 200 Tower
Building, 323 Center Street, Little Rock, Arkansas

MR. LAWRENCE GRAVES, Esq., State of Arkansas, Office of


the Attorney General, 200 Tower Building, 323 Center
Street, Little Rock, Arkansas 72201

*** Apprearing for the State of Arkansas


Office of the Attorney General ***
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BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING, INC.


201 East Sixth Street
Little Rock, Arkansas 72202
(501) 372-5115

THE ORAL DEPOSITION OF WILLIAM C. DUNCAN, a wit-


ness produced at the request of the Attorney General's Office,
taken in the above styled and numbered cause on the 21st day of
June, 1991, before Jeff Bennett,

C.C.R., Certificate ~19, of BUSHMAN COURT REPORTING,

INC., Notary Public in and for White County, Arkansas at the


Office of the Attorney General, 323 Center Street, Little Rock,
Arkansas at 11:40 p.m.

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WILLIAM C. DUNCAN
the witness hereinbefore named, having been previously cautioned
and sworn, or affirmed, to tell the truth, the whole truth, and
nothing but the truth testified as follows:

EXAMINATION

BY MR. ALEXANDER:

Q. Would you state your name, age, and address, please?

A. William C. Duncan, age forty-four, 513 Pine Bluff Street,


Malvern, Arkansas.

Q. Mr. Duncan, briefly would you tell us your educational


background, for the benefit of those who might read your
testimony?

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A. I graduated from the University of Arkansas at Fayetteville,
December 1983, BS/BA marketing.

Q. And what was your first job that you received after having
graduated from college?

A. Special agent with the U.S. Treasury Department, Intelligence


Division.

Q. Did you receive any special training with the Treasury


Department?

A. Yes, I did. A variety of Criminal Investigation Division


training and Internal Revenue Service training.

Q. You were a criminal investigator for the U.S. Treasury


Department?

A. Yes, perpetually from December of '83 through June 16,


1989.

Q. And as a criminal investigator for the Treasury Department,


did you have occasion to investigate matters surrounding
activities in Mena, Arkansas?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. And were you assigned to Arkansas for that purpose?

A. I was already stationed in Arkansas at the Fayetteville,


Arkansas post of duty when I became involved in those
investigations

Q. Would you describe the nature of your instructions and the


manner in which you carried out those instructions as they
relate to activities surrounding the Mena Airport matter?

A. I was assigned to investigate allegations of money


laundering in connection with the Barry Seal organization, which
was based at the Mena, Arkansas airport.
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Q. And can you -- how long a duration were you involved in
this investigation?

A. I received the first information about Mena and illegal


activities at the Mena Airport in April of 1983, in a meeting in
the U.S. Attorney's Office, Fort Smith, Arkansas. Asa
Hutchinson was the U.S. Attorney then. Also present at that
meeting was Drug Enforcement Administration Agent Jim Stepp,
S-T-E-P-P.

Q. Did you discover what you believed to be money laundering?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. Who was the object of your investigation, and what institution?

A. Rich Mountain Aviation, Incorporated based at the Mena


Airport. Barry Seal was not actually a target. We had targeted
the employees and cohorts of his which operated out of the Mena
Airport, including Freddie Lee Hampton, Joe Evans, Rudy Dale
Furr, and there was a banker that was also involved in
allegations of the money laundering, his name was Gary Gardner,
vice-president at Union Bank of Mena

Q. Now, all these persons that you mentioned, were they


residents in and around Mena, Arkansas?

A. Yes, they were.

Q. What did you do with the evidence of money laundering that


you gathered from your investigation?

A. Presented it to the United States Attorney's Office,


Western Judicial District, Fort Smith, Arkansas.

Q. And what were your recommendations to the U.S. Attorney?

A. That those individuals and corporation -- the corporation


be prosecuted for violations of the money laundering statutes,
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also there were some perjury recommendations and some con-
spiracy recommendations.

Q. Did you present to the U. S. Attorney a list of prospective


witnesses to be called?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. For a grand jury?

A. Yes.

Q. And do you have the names of those witnesses?

A. There were a variety of witnesses. There were some 20


witnesses. He called three witnesses. The witnesses including
-- included the law enforcement personnel who had participated
in the investigations, Barry Seal, members of his organization,
people who were involved in the money laundering, and various
financial institution officers who had knowledge.

Q. Mr. Duncan, the money laundering to which you refer, did


that arise out of an alleged drug trafficking operation managed
from the Mena, Arkansas airport?

A. It did.

Q. And it has been alleged that the Central Intelligence


Agency had some role in that operation. Is that the same
operation that you investigated?

A. Yes.

Q. And when you submitted the witnesses, the names of the


prospective witnesses to the U. S. Attorney in Arkansas, are you
referring to Mr. -- what was the name of the U. S. Attorney?

A. Asa Hutchinson.

Q. Asa Hutchinson. And what was his reaction to your


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recommendations?

A. It had been my experience, from my history of working with


Mr. Hutchinson, that all I had to do is ask for subpoenas for
any witness and he would provide the subpoenas and subpoena
them to a grand jury. His reaction in this case was to subpoena only
three of the 20 to the grand jury.

Q. Now, of the three witnesses, who were -- what was the


nature of the evidence that would have been elicited from those
witnesses?

A. Direct evidence in the money laundering.

Q. And did those witnesses testify for the grand jury?

A. yes, they did.

Q. Were you present at the time of the grand jury?

A. No, I was not.

Q. You were not?

A. I was in the witness room, but I was not in the grand jury.

Q. I see. What was the result of the testimony given by the


three witnesses to the grand jury?

A. As two of the witnesses exited, one was a secretary who had


received instructions from Hampton, Evans, and I think on some
occasions had discussed with Barry Seal, the methodology. She
was furious when she exited the grand jury, was very upset,
indicated to me that she had not been allowed to furnish her
evidence to the grand jury.

Q. Which witness was this?

A. Kathy Corrigan Gann.

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Q. Kathy Corrigan Gann. Do you know her address?

A. She is in Mena, Arkansas.

Q. Mena, Arkansas. Now, she was a witness?

A. She was the secretary for Rich Mountain Aviation, who


participated in the money laundering operation upon the
instructions of Hampton, Evans.

Q. You talked to her about her evidence given to the grand


jury?

A. Yes. I had taken two sworn statements, recorded sworn


statements prior to the grand jury, and those transcripts were
furnished to the U. S. Attorney.

Q. And what did she say about the evidence that she was
allowed to give the grand jury as it might have been different
from the evidence that you wanted her to give to the grand jury?

A. She basically said that "she was allowed to give her name,
address, position, and not much else.

Q. Mr. Duncan, are you saying that the prospective witness was
not permitted in your judgment to give evidence of the money
laundering to the grand jury?

A. That's what this witmess told me.

Q. And there were two other witnesses, I believe you made


reference to, did you talk with them?

A.I talked to another one, his name was Jim Nugent, who was a
Vice-president at Union Bank of Mena, who had conducted a
search of their records and provided a significant amount of evi-
dence relating to the money laundering transactions. He was also
furious that he was not allowed to provide the evidence that he
wanted to provide to the grand jury.

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Q. And was there a third witness?

A. There was a third witness, I don't recall her name


off-hand. She was an officer at one of the financial
institutions in Mena, and she did not complain to me.

Q. She did not complain?

A. No.

Q. What was the result of the grand jury inquiry into the
money laundering investigation which you had conducted?

A. There were never any money laundering indictments.

Q. There was no indictment?

A. No.

Q. Did you have occasion to talk to any of the jurors that


were impaneled on the grand jury that heard the evidence?

A. At a later date, I came in contact with the deputy foreman


of the grand jury, who had previously given testimony to an
investigator for the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime,
concerning her frustrations as the deputy foreman of the grand
jury.

Q. Do you remember her name?

A. P. J. Pitts.

Q. Do you know her address?

A. She's in Mena. I don't have her current address.

Q. And could you relate to us any other conversation you might


have had with her concerning her appearance before the grand
jury?

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A. Well, she was perpetually involved in the grand jury as it
heard evidence concerning the Barry Seal matter, and she related
to me the frustrations of herself and the entire grand jury
because they were not allowed to hear of money laundering
evidence.

Q. Do you recall any statements that she made to you


concerning that grand jury, her service on the grand jury?

A. .She stated to me that they specifically asked to hear the


money laundering evidence, specifically asked that I be
subpoenaed, and they were not allowed to have me subpoenaed.

Q. What was her reaction to the unavailability of you as a


witness?

A. She said the whole grand jury was frustrated. She


indicated that Mr. Fitzhugh, who at that time was the U. S.
Attorney, explained to them that I was in Washington at the time
and unavailable as a witness, which was not the truth.

Q. Mr. Duncan, are you saying that the grand jury that was
impaneled to hear your investigation, hear evidence of the
investigation that you had conducted for the U.S. Treasury as a
special investigator, was compromised?

A. The evidence was never presented to the grand jury. The


evidence gathered during that investigation was never presented
to the grand jury.

Q. What was your reaction to the failure of the grand jury to


receive the evidence?

A. Well, I was frustrated for a long period of time because I


expected to be called and expected to summarize the evidence
over several years there that we gathered with respect to the
money laundering to the grand jury.

Q. There were no indictments?

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A. Never any indictments.

Q. There were no prosecutions?

A. None.

Q. In effect, the evidence that you gathered has not been


acted on by the U. S. Attorney's Office?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. Did you complain to your superior?

A. Yes.

Q. What was his name?

A. Paul Whitmore, Chief of Criminal Investigation. I also


complained to my group managers, Tim Lee, Charles Huckaby and
Max Gray.

Q. And what did they -- what was their response?

A. They were very frustrated, also. Mr. Whitmore, in fact,


made several trips to Fort Smith, Arkansas to complain to the
U. S. Attorney's Office.

Q. Did he relate to you the conversation he had had with the


U. S. Attorney?

A. On several occasions, and also related to me that the U.S.


Attorney wrote him a letter telling him not to come to his
office anymore complaining, that that was unprofessional
behavior.

Q. What was the conclusion of Mr. Whitmore concerning your


investigation and the manner in which it was handled by the U. S.
Attorney in Arkansas?

A. That there was a coverup.


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Q. Are you saying -- do you agree with his-with Mr.
Whitmore's conclusion?

A. Absolutely.

Q. Are you stating now under oath that you believe that the
investigation in and around the Mena Airport of money laundering
was covered up by the U. S. Attorney in Arkansas?

A. It was covered up,

Q. Would you state that succinctly for the record in your own
words, so that we might -- to have the benefit of how you would
state your opinion and conclusions as a result of your
activities as a special investigator -- as to this investigation?

A. I was involved from April of 1983, really to this date, in


gathering information, gathering evidence, until 1987-1988. I,
on a perpetual basis, furnished all the evidence, all the
information to the U. S. Attorney's Office. In January of 1986,
a Special Assistant U.S. Attorney from Miami, I believe, who was
a money laundering specialist, came to Fort Smith, met with then
U. S. Attorney Fitzhugh and myself and drafted a series of
indictments. I think there were 29 indictments, charging the
aforementioned individuals and Barry Seal, as I recall, as an
unindicted co-conspirator in the money laundering scheme. At
that point in time I had every indication that the cases would
go to the Grand Jury, that the evidence would be presented to a
grand jury. We experienced a variety of frustrations, mid '85
on, not able to obtain subpoenas for witnesses we felt were
necessary. I had some direct interference by Mr. Fitzhugh in
the investigative process. Specifically he would call me and
interrupt interviews, tell me not to interview people that he
had previously told me were necessary to be interviewed.

Q. Did you have any interferences or interruptions from anyone


within the U. S. Treasury Department that would interfere with
your investigation?

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A. They interfered with my testimony before the House
Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime.

Q. Would you tell us about that?

A. In late December of 1987, I was contacted by Chief Counsel


for the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime, Hayden Gregory,
who told me that they were looking into the reason why no one
was indicted in connection with the Mena investigations. The
Internal Revenue service assigned to me disclosure litigation
attorneys, which gave me instructions which would have caused
me to withhold information from Congress during my testimony
and to also perjure myself.

Q. And how did you respond to the Treasury Department?

A. Well, I exhibited to them that I was going to tell the truth in my


testimony. And the perjury, subornation of perjury resulted in an --
resulted because of an allegation that I had received, that Attorney
General Edwin Meese received a several hundred thousand dollar
bribe from Barry Seal directly. And they told me to tell the
Subcommitte on Crime that I had no information about that.

Q. What is this about Meese? Where did you get that information?

A. I received that from Russell Welch, the State Police investigator.

Q. Mr. Welch will be deposed subsequently by -- in this --


during this line of questioning. Mr. Duncan, did your experience at
the Mena -- in the Mena case interfere with your employment with
the Department of Treasury?

A. Yes, it did.

Q. Could you tell us what happened, how it affected it?

A. I received a subpoena, in July or August of 1983 from


Deputy Prosecutor Chuck Black from Mt. Ida, who was going to
present evidence that Mr. Fitzbugh and Mr. Hutchinson had not
presented to the grand jury for the purposes of seeking
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indictments against the individuals at Mena. The Internal
Revenue Service Regional Office told me just to have him send a
subpoena, and that I would be allowed to testify or assist him
in his investigation. About the same time, I believe, that you
were making inquiries also attempting to interview me. The
Internal Revenue Service told me I would have to go back and
deal with the same disclosure litigation attorneys who attempted
to get me to withhold information from Congress and perjure
myself, and I refused to do that. At the time my responsibilities
were -- as Special Operations Coordinator for the Southeast Re-
gion, my responsibilities included oversight for aviation activities
for the Criminal Investigation Division also undercover and techni-
cal operations. They withdrew support for the operations and
basically kept me in the regional office in Atlanta and did not allow
me to fulfill my responsibilities. This ultimately resulted in my
resignation in June of 1989.

Q. Did you resign by forwarding any particular communication


to the Treasury Department; did you write them a letter?

A. Yes, I submitted a formal resignaton.

Q. Do you have a copy of that letter?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. Do you have it with you?

A. No, I do not.

Q. Would you make that part of this record?

A. I'd be glad to.

Q. Okay. We would ask that Mr. Duncan's letter of resignation


be submitted as a supplement to this record as Exhibit 1.

(Deposition Exhibit 1 was identified. )

MR. ALEXANDER: Let's go off the record a minute.


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(Off-the-record. )

Q. (BY MR. ALEXANDER) Mr. Duncan, prior to your resignation


from the Department of Treasury, do you recall any other
conversations you may have had with your superiors concerning
the investigation of Mena?

A. With respect to what?

Q. With respect to the manner in which the case was attempting


to be covered up?

A. We had continuing discussions because none of us, my


managers nor myself, had ever experienced anything remotely akin
to this type of interference. I had a very good working
relationship with all the Assistant United States Attorneys and
the U.S. Attorney's Office, Western Judicial District, never any
problems. The office was open to me, and I visited with them
everytime I was in Fort Smith. And we couldn't understand why
there was this different attitude. I had found Asa Hutchinson
to be a very aggressive U.S. Attorney in connection with my
cases, then all of a sudden, with respect to Mena, it was just
like the information was going in but nothing was happening over
a long period of time. Mr. Hutchinson did not directly
interfere as did Mr. Fitzhugh. But just like with the 20
witnesses and the complaint, I didn't know what to make of
that. Alarms were going off. And as soon as Mr. Fitzhugh got
involved, he was more aggressive in not allowing the subpoenas
and in interfering in the investigative process. He was
reluctant to have the State Police around, even though they were
an integral part of the investigation. For instance, when the money
laundering specialist was up from Miami, Mr. Fitzhugh left Mr.
Welch in the hall all day until late in the afternoon and refused to
allow him to come in. We were astonished that we couldn't get
subpoenas. We were astonished that Barry Seal was never brought
to the grand jury, because be was on the subpoena list for a long
time. And there were just a lot of investigative developments that
made no sense to us.

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One of the most revealing things, I suppose, was that we
had discussed specifically with Asa Hutchinson the rumors about
National Security involvement in the Mena operations. And Mr.
Hutchinson told me personally that he had checked with a variety
of law enforcement agencies and people In Miami, and that Barry
Seal would be prosecuted for any crimes in Arkansas. So we were
comfortable that there was not going to be National Security
interference.

Q. Did you discuss the Mena investigation with anyone in


Washington?

A. I discussed the Mena investigation with people in the


national office.

Q. And with whom did you discuss it?

A. With Joe Pagani, who was the Deputy Assistant Commissioner


for Criminal Investigation, with a variety of other of his
staff. Now, this was at the point of interference by the
disclosure litigation attorneys.

Q. Anyone else in the, say, the Commissioner's Office that you


discussed this with?

A. Peter Filpi.

Q. Peter Filpi?

A. Who was Mary Ann Curtin's supervisor.

Q. Now, did you discuss it with Mary Ann Curtin?

A. She was the briefing attorney. She was the one that I was
-- was supposed to be involved in preventing disclosure of tax .
return information and grand jury information.

Q. Can you think of anyone else that you talked with up in


Washington? Did you receive any orders from any of the
higher-ups in Washington concerning this investigation?
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A. None.

Q. Did you ever talk to a Mary Ann Curtin?

A. Yes, I did.

Q. What was her job?

A. She was the disclosure litigation attorney in Washington


assigned to counsel me, provide legal advice with respect to my
testimony before the House Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime.

Q. What was her advice to you?

A. Told me not to offer any opinions, even if specifically


asked for my opinion by the Subcommitte on Crime. Told me not
to volunteer any information. Basically did not want me saying
anything that would reflect badly on the U.S. Attorney's Office
in the Western Judicial District of Arkansas.

Q. What was your conclusion from her instructions to you?

A. It made no sence for me not to give full and complete


testimony to the subcommittee on Crime.

Q. Mr. Duncan, do you get the impression that she was ordering
you to cover up the investigation?

A. Absolutely.

Q. If you were asked to state that in your own words, what


would you say?

A. I would say that we had conducted textbook investigations


of all the individuals at Mena, there were a variety of legal
issues involved, which I had always had them in loop on. We had
proceeded very soundly. There was nothing for us to be ashamed
of. The investigations were thorough, to the extent that we
could conduct the investigation without subpoenas. And I would
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have thought that the Internal Revenue Service would have wanted
a complete disclosure to Congress about the problems that we
encountered, but quite the opposite was true. They obviously
did not want any negative testimony coming from me concerning
the U.S. Attorney's Office. At one point when we were arguing
about the Meese allegation, she told me that she had discussed my
frustrations with the personal assistant to the Commissioner of
Internal Revenue, who was Larry Gibbs at the time, and the per-
sonal assistant's name was Bryan Sloan. And that Bryan Sloan told
her, "Bill is just going to have to get the big picture."

Q. Now, when you say "she" and "her" you're talking about
Mary Ann Curtin?

A. Yes.

MR. ALEXANDER: Any questions?

FURTHER EXAMINATION

BY MR. BRYANT:

Q. Bill, let me ask you a few questions. I want to take you


back to your investigation at the Mena Airport. How many
federal agencies were involved in that investigation at the time
you first went there?

A. I was aware that U.S. Customs Service was involved..I was


aware that the FBI was involved, the Drug Enforcement
Administration. Those were federal agencies. The Arkansas
State Police was involved. The Polk County Sheriffs Office was
involved and also the Louisiana State Police was involved in
investigating a link between Louisiana and Arkansas.

Q. In your opinion, were those agencies actively involved in


the investigation of the Mena operation and specifically Barry
Seal at that time?

A. Actively involved since at least 1982.

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Q. And when did you first go to Mena?

A. In May of 1983.

Q. And after you were involved in the investigation, when did


you make your presentation to the U.S. Attorney for the grand
jury laundering allegation that you had prepared?

A. The reports, the prosecutorial reports went to Mr. Fitzhugh


in December of 1985.

Q. At that particular time were all federal agencies still


actively involved in investigating the Barry Seal matter or had
they--had their interest cooled, or how would you describe it?

A. It was a very strange thing, because we were dealing with


allegations of narcotics smuggling, massive amounts of money
laundering. And it was my perception that the Drug Enforcement
Administration would have been very actively involved at that
stage, especially along with the Arkansas State Police. But DEA
was conspicuously absent during most of that time. The FBI
appeared on the scene intermittently. Usually when Russell and
I were going to conduct some credible interviews, Tom Ross, from
the Hot Springs FBI Office, would suddenly appear on the scene.
He would make some trips to Baton Rouge with us. U.S. Customs
was conspicuously absent, also. It was primarily just Russell
Welch and myself.

Q. Regarding the allegations of drug running and weapons


running and any other things that you might have heard, what
information do you have to, number one, substantiate that there
might have been drugs brought to the Mena Airport?

A. We were receiving information from a variety of sources


that Barry was doing some work for the United States Govern-
ment, but that be was smuggling on the return trips for himself. We
knew from his modus operandi in Louisiana that he many times
dropped the drugs in remote areas and retrieved them with
helicopters. He had helicopters in the hangers at Mena and a
variety of aircraft, smuggling type aircraft on the ground in
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Mena. And we heard, you know, all the time that he was making
on return trips -- Terry Capeheart, a Deputy at Polk County
Sheriff's Department, had received information from an informant
on the inside at Rich Mountain Aviation that drugs were actually
brought into Rich Mountain Aviation, and on one occasion guarded
with armed guards around the aircraft. He had also received
information from this informant that Freddie Hampton had
personally transported a shipment of drugs to Louisiana from
Rich Mountain Aviation for Barry Seal.

Q. What specific physical evidence did you observe at the Mena


Airport that would indicate to you, that in your professional
opinion, drugs were brought to Mena or that Mena was being used
as a base for drug smuggling?

A. primarily I was reviewing evidence gathered by the law


enforcement agencies, surveillance logs, their representations
to me. I was focusing on the money laundering and financial
analysis end of it, and did not conduct a lot of physical
surveillance myself. But we had a lot of intelligence reports
and surveillance reports of various airplanes in there being
refueled, leaving in the middle of the night, N numbers being
changed, typical modus operandi of a smuggling. We also had
testimony that his aircraft had been plumbed with longer range
tanks and bladders, that illegal cargo doors had been installed in
the aircraft. And there was a lot of evidence of that. And I was
seeing on some of the cashier's checks, Barry Seal's name on
cashier's checks. The secretary that was -- doing both secretaries,
Lucia Gonzalez and Kathy Corrigan, stated that when Barry would
come in in his airplanes, the next morning many times there would
be stacks of cash to be taken to the bank and laundered.

Q. In connection with your investigation into the laundering


activities, what -- how much money was laundered in your opinion
through the Mena bank?

A. At the time we couldn't proceed any further because of the


lack of subpoenas. I would have to review the records, which
the Internal Revenue Service has now. But it seems like there
was a quarter of a million dollars, $300,000, something like
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that that we had documented, that had been laundered through the
Mena banks, just the Mena banks.

Q. And when you say "laundered," what specifically do you


mean; what happened?

A. They were obtaining cashier's checks in amounts of $10,000


or less at a variety of financial institutions in Mena and some
further north from Mena or sometimes different tellers in the
same banks to avoid preparation of the Currency Transaction
Report. Kathy Corrigan testified that her instructions from
Freddie Hampton were, that they were to do this to avoid the
Internal Revenue Service knowing about the money and to avoid
payment of taxes on the money.

Q. Now, are you saying the' someone from Rich Mountain


Aviation would appear at a local bank with $10,000 or less in
cash, and then give that to the bank in exchange for a cashier's
check, was that the typical arrangement, or what was the typical
arrangement?

A. They would go with, say, $9,500, or they might go with


$30,000, but they would break it up in increments of $10,000 or
less. And on one occasion Freddie Hampton personally took a
suitcase full of money, I think it was seventy some thousand
dollars, into this bank officer, and the testimony of the
tellers revealed that the bank officer went down the teller
lines handing out the stacks of $10,000 bills and got the
cashier's checks. Those cashier's checks, in that instance,
went to Aero House of Houston for the building of Barry Seal's
hanger. This, as I recall, was November of '82.

Q. Do you have any doubt in your mind that Mena was used as a
base for drug operation. headed by Barry Seal?

A. Do I have any personal doubt?

Q. Do you have any personal doubt in your mind that that is


not the case -- that that was not the case?

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A. I very much believe that was the case.

Q. You had an occasion to interview Mr. Seal yourself, did you


not?

A. That's correct.

Q. Now, when was this?

A. This was December of '85.

Q. Was this prior to the laundering grand jury or after?

A. After.

Q. After. Was there any particular reason why Barry Seal was
not called to testify at the grand jury?

A. I never received an explanation from the U.S. Attorney's


Office as to why he was not called. Because we were given
assurances that he would be called to the grand jury. He was on
the witness list, and I issued him a subpoena at the time I
interviewed him for appearance at the grand jury. You've already
stated you, as a law enforcement official did not testify?

A. That's correct.

Q. Did any law enforcement official testify before the grand


jury, to your knowledge?

A. It's my understanding that Larry Carver with DEA testified


before the grand jury sometime maybe in '87 or '88. Russell
Welch testified before the grand jury, and also Terry Capaheart
testified before the grand jury.

Q. And when was this?

A. The last--one of the last two grand jury --

Q. But in. 1985, when the first grand jury was convened, no law
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enforcement official testified; is that correct?

A. Not to my knowledge.

Q. In your professional opinion as a law enforcement official


with extensive experience, is that -- wouldn't it be highly
unusual in extreme cases where law enforcement officials who
investigated the case would not be called to testify?

A. Every grand jury case that was ever presented where I


conducted the investigation, I was the law enforcement officer
who summarized the evidence before the grand jury. I find it
highly unusual.

Q. And isn't it highly unusual that Barry Seal was not called
to testify in view that he was - - in view of the fact that he
was the principal involved in the investigation?

A, We found it highly unusual.

Q. You had an opportunity to interview Mr. Seal. Did Mr. Seal


make any admissions regarding drug operations that he headed?

A. I would have to review a copy of that transcript. he


basically admitted that he had been a smuggler, that he had
smuggled drugs. he told -- he said that he told the people at
Rich Mountain Aviation that they were guilty of money laundering
and should be prepared to plead guilty to it. That he provided
instructions to them that resulted in them getting involved in
money laundering. "Not to put his business on the street," I
think is the way he put it. And I think probably the copy of
his testimony could be introduced into the record. I believe I
have a copy of that.

MR.. BRYANT: Could we make that Exhibit Numbers 2


or Exhibit B to Mr. Duncan's deposition.

(Deposition Exhibit 2 was identified. )

Q. (BY MR. BRYANT) Bill, is there any other information that


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you are aware of that might assist whoever reads this deposition
to understand the case that either Congressman Alexander or I
have not asked?

A. I interviewed two witnesses in Fort Smith, Arkansas, named


one Horton Elzea, E-L-Z-E-A, and Carl Smith. Carl Smith is an
architect in Fort Smith, Arkansas and Horton Elzea is a
draftsman, I believe. Those individuals related to me a
conversation they had with Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Snyder,
who was with the Fort Smith U.S. Attorney's Office. Those
witnesses stated that Mr. Snyder told them that they received a
call from Miami telling them to shut down the Mena
investigations at a point in time when they were ready to indict
and present information to a grand jury. Both of those
witnesses have stated that they would be willing to submit to a
polygraph exam concerning that conversation with Mr. Snyder.

Q. And, in fact, Mr. Duncan, weren't those two witnesses


interviewed on television?

A. Yes., they were.

Q. Okay.

A. And they were also interviewed by the House Judiciary


Subcommittee on Crime investigator Ralpheal Maiestri and my-
self, also, in my capacity as a House Judiciary Subcommittee on
Crime investigation.

MR. BRYANT: Okay.

MR. ALEXANDER: I've got a couple of questions.

RE-EXAMINATION

BY MR. ALEXANDER:

Q. Mr. Duncan, we've talked about -- you have testified that a


one Barry Seal, in your judgment, laundered money from -- that
was derived from the sale of drugs --
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A. Yes.

Q. -- in several banks in and around Mena, Arkansas. He had


to get those drugs -- "he," Barry Seal, , had to get those drugs
from somewhere. Do you know the source of those drugs?

A. The specific drugs in the Mena operation?

Q. Well, Barry Seal got drugs that he sold for money. Are
those the drugs that came to Mena from Central America?

A. I don't have direct evidence of that.

Q. Do you have any evidence as to where Barry Seal might have


gotten the drugs that he sold for money that was laundered at
Mena?

A. I believe that he testified that he had a history of


smuggling narcotics, marijuana and cocaine, from Central
America.

Q. Did Barry Seal have a connection with the so-called Mena


operation, drug smuggling operation?

A. The evidence that we have indicates that his entire base of


operation moved from Baton Rouge to the Mena Airport in
approximately 1982, late 1982.

Q. Mr. Richard Brennecke testified earlier today that he was a


former contract employee with the CIA, and that as a pilot he
transported guns and munitions from Mena, Arkansas to Panama.
And that on the same airplane returned with a cargo of drugs,
mostly cocaine but some marijuana, that was brought back to
Mena and delivered to one Hampton, Freddie Hampton, and to
representatives of the Gotti New York crime syndicate operation,
the Mafia from New York. Do you know whether or not any of
those drugs that were described by Mr. Brenneke went to Mr. Seal
as well and were sold in the United States in exchange for the
money that he laundered at Mena?
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A. I have no personal knowledge of that.

MR. ALEXANDER: Thank you very much.

FURTHER RE-EXAMINATION

BY MR. BRYANT:

Q. Even though, while you do not have personal knowledge of


that, Bill, would Mr. Brenneke's scenario, based on what you
personally know happened at Mena, be consistent?

A. What Mr. Brenneke has related concerning the Mena operation


would be consistent with testimony from a variety of individuals
and additional information that we received concerning the
method of operation at Rich Mountain Aviation. For instance,
Kathy Corrigan related that on numerous occasions they would be
forced to stay inside their offices because airplanes would land
and strange faces would be around, Central American or Mexican,
Spanish origin folks would be around that they had not seen
before. But on those occasions they were given instructions by
Hampton and/or Joe Evans to stay in the office and make no
contact with those individuals. Airplanes landing in the middle
of the night, hanger doors opening, the airplanes going in, then
leaving out before daylight, numerous, dozens and dozens of
accounts like that. Great secrecy surrounding the entire
operation at Rich Mountain Aviation.

Q. So if everything that Mr. Brenneke stated regarding his


relationship with the Mena operation were true, it would fit
into the overall picture as you understand the situation at
Mena, would it not?

A. Yes, It would. With respect to the training at Nella, we


had numerous reports of automatic weapons fire, of people in
camouflage in the middle of night, low intensity landing lights
around the Nella Airport, twin-engine airplane traffic in and
about the Nella Airport. Reports as far as 30 something miles
away of non-American type of troops in camos moving quietly
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through streams with automatic weapons, numerous reports like
that from a variety of law enforcement sources. Also, reports
that -- from the Arkansas Game and Fish Commission people that
they found vast quantities of ammunition hulls secreted in
shacks around the Nela Airport. On one occasion the Game and
Fish officer was warned away from the Nella Airport by someone
who purported to be an FBI agent and exhibited a badge, On and
on and on.

Q. Regarding the Nella Airport, have you been there personally?

A. Yes, I have.

Q. And so there is another airport not far from the Mena


Airport?

A. Yes, there is, approximately ten miles north.

Q. And would there be any other reason for the Nella Airport
other than clandestine activities, paramilitary training, use by
planes to bring in drugs, illegal contraband and so forth?

A. Not to my knowledge. There are no hangers out there. The


type of reports that we had from individuals living around the
airport would indicate that type of an operation. Some of those
people said that there were frequent visits by people from Rich
Mountain Aviation basically asking what they were seeing and
hearing. There was a large expenditure of money in preparation
of the strip by Freddie Lee Hampton. The type of expenditure
that you wouldn't make just for an out-of-the-way little country
airport.

MR. BRYANT: Okay.

FURTHER RE-EXAMINATION

BY MR. ALEXANDER:

Q. Mr. Duncan, you've made some statements in the nature of


corroborating the evidence that has been presented here today by
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Mr. Richard Brenneke that is consistent with your understanding
of the Mena operation that has been described and discussed here
today. Do you recall the names of other persons with whom you
have discussed the Mena drug operation, the smuggling operation,
that might also add some evidence in the nature of corroborating
what we have heard here today?

A. A variety of law enforcement officials --

Q. Can you give us their names?

A. Russell Welch, criminal investigator for the Arkansas State


Police; Terry Capeheart, former Deputy Sheriff of Polk County;
Al Hadoway, former Deputy Sheriff of Polk County; a variety of
Arkansas Game and Fish Commission personnel. I can't recall their
names off-hand. I can provide those names at a later date. Other
Polk County law enforcement officials. Mr. -- let's see, the
FBI agent involved primarily in the Mena investigation was Tom
Ross from the Hot Springs Office of FBI. He conducted several
interviews in and about the Nella Airport. Discussed the Mena
operations with Larry Carver, Drug Enforcement Administration.
several Louisiana State police investigators, including Bob
Thommason, Jack Crittenden. Discussed the operation with Brad
Myers, Assistant U.S. Attorney in Baton Rouge. Al Winters,
Strike Force Attorney at the time for the United States.
Government. There are others, I just can't recall their names
right now.

Q. Mr. Duncan, would you attempt to provide us with the


locations of some of these persons that you have mentioned?

A. Yes, I will.

Q. And together with any additional names that come to mind of


persons with whom you have discussed the Mena drug smuggling
operation, that would be very helpful?

A. Yes, I will.

MR. ALEXANDER: Thank you, very much.


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FURTHER RE-EXAMINATION

BY WINSTON BRYANT:

Q. Mr. Duncan, do you have copies of statements under oath of


individuals who had some contact with the Mena situation, other
than Barry Seal that we've already talked about and whose
statement will be made an exhibit to this deposition?

A. Yes, I do.

Q. Do you recall which individuals you may have statements


from?

A.When I was functioning in the capacity of congressional


investigator for the Subcommittee on Crime, I visited on numerous
occasions with State Police Investigator Russell Welch. I
obtained copies from the Arkansas State Police files of a number
of statements including Kathy Gann, I believe Jim Nugent. I
have copies of the Arkansas state police thesis concerning Mr.
Welch's investigation, and a variety of other statements that
I'll be glad to make available.

Q. I would like those to be part of your testimony, and they


may be sufficiently extensive enough that we would want to make
just a supplement to your testimony and include them in a bound
volume, might be the best way to do that.

A. Okay.

Q. But if you would, just make those available to the court


reporter.

Mr. Alexander: that's all I have.

Mr. Bryant: that' all.

(WHEREUPON, at 1:00 p.m., the taking of the


above-entitled deposition was concluded.)
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"We are fast approaching the stage of the ultimate inversion: the
stage where the government is free to do anything it pleases, while
the citizens may act only by permission; which is the stage of the
darkest periods of human history, the stage of rule by brute force. "
Ayn Rand in "The Nature of Government"

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AFTERWORD

Through the lens of Col. Albert V. Carone, aka “Bagman,”


it is clear that no matter which political party may have been in
power over the past sixty years, the forces which would shape
operations such as Watchtower or Orwell are still in place and
exerting control from within the U.S. Government, most visibly via
the CIA. A brief review of the backgrounds of past Directors of
Central Intelligence (DCI) provides further insight into the nature
of the intelligence organization supporting every President since
Harry Truman established the agency in 1947.

Roscoe H. Hillenkoetter - 1st DCI, 1947 to 1950. Previ-


ously, Commander, USS Missouri. Allegedly, Hillenkoetter was a
member of a super secret group, “Majestic-12,” an umbrella group
created by President Truman overseeing UFO research in the
aftermath of the Rosswell UFO incident, the alleged recovery of a
crashed flying saucer and alien bodies in July 1947.

Gen. Walter Bodell Smith - U.S. Secretary of the


Combied Chiefs of Staff during WWII., U.S. Ambassador to Soviet
Union, 1946 to 1949. DCI 1950 to 1953.

Allen W. Dulles - 1st civillian DCI, 1953 to 1961. Mem-


ber, Warren Commission (investigating the assassination of Pres.
John F. Kennedy). As DCI, Dulles oversaw MK-Ultra, a mind
control research program begun in the 1950’s, ending in the late
1960’s which was brought to wide public attention of the U.S.
Congress by the Church Committee, which also exposed “Mock-
ingbird,” a CIA operation to influnce U.S. and foreign media with
major influence on 25 U.S. newspapers and wire agencies. (see
“Mockingbird: The Subversion f the Free Press by the CIA,” by
Alex Constantine - 2000)

John McCone - Chairman, Atomic Energy Commission,


1958 to 1961. DCI, 1961 to 1965 (during Cuban Missile Crisis).

William Raburn - Career naval officer. DCI 1965 to


1966.

End Note - 1
Richard Helms - DCI 1966 to 1973. Convicted of lying
to Congress over covert CIA activities. During WWII, member
OSS. From 1947 to 1961, Office of Special Operations (OSO), in
charge of intelligence and counter intelligence operations in Aus-
tria, Germany and Switzerland. After a falling out with the
Kennedys, Helms was sent to Viet Nam where he oversaw the
coup to overthrow Pres. Ngo Dinh Diem. Following JFK’s assassi-
nation, Helms was made Deputy Director and a year later, DCI.

James Schlesinger - Harvard Ph.D. Rand Corp, 1963 to


1969 (Dir. Strategic Studies), Bureau of the Budget, 1971, DCI
1973 for four months, during Yom Kippur War. Secretary of
Defense 1973 to 1975, a major proponent of increased defense
spending to build a strong U.S. nuclear capability.

William E. Colby - OSS and CIA field agent, Sweden,


Rome. Member Opus Dei. Chief of Station, Saigon, 1959 to
1962. DCI 1971 to 1973. Head clandestine branch to 1975.
Colby died in a “boating accident” which conspiracy theorists
claim was actually an assassination, the result of Colby’s intention
to publish writings concerning President Clinton and Vince Foster.

George H.W. Bush - DCI 1976 to 1977. Chair, Republi-


can National Committee, 1973 to 1974. Chief, U.S. Liason Office
in the People’s Republic of China, 1974 to 1976. Chairman, First
International Bank in Houston, 1977 to 1980.

Stansfield Turner - DCI 1977 to 1981. President, Navy


War College, 1972 to 1974. On Board of Directors, Monsanto
Corp. Testified to Congress re. CIA MK-Ultra (mind control
experiments) and advocated disbanding the CIA.

William J. Casey - DCI 1981 to 1987. Directed Presiden-


tial campaign of Ronald Reagan in 1980. Casey oversaw the
reexpansion of the Intelligence Community. During his tenure,
restrictions were lifted on the use of the CIA to directly, covertly
influence the internal and foreign affairs of countries relevant to
American policy. During 1960’s Casey served as Chairman of the
U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission. During WWII, he was

End Note - 2
a member of the OSS. Died of “brain cancer” in 1987 at the age of
74, only a day before he was due to testify before the U.S. Con-
gress which was investigating CIA covert activities re. Iran-Contra.

William H. Webster - Director, FBI 1978 to 1987. DCI


1987 to 1991. Former Federal Judge, Webster ascended to DCI
after his successful coup against NY Mafia families while Dir. FBI
under President Carter.

Robert Gates - DCI 1991 to 1993. Recruited by CIA


while attending Indiana University. Air Force intelligence analyst
during Viet Nam War. DCI Executive Staff 1981 to 1982. Deputy
Director for Intelligence 1982 to 1986. Deputy Director for Cen-
tral Intelligence 1986 to 1989. Nominated DCI in 1987, but
withdrew due to concerns over his role in Iran-Contra. Nominated
again in 1991 by President Bush. After DCI, Pres. Texas A&M
University, Dean, George Bush School of Government & Public
Service, Board Member Fidelity Funds, NACCO Industries,
Brinker International & Parker Drilling Company.

R. James Woolsay, Jr. - DCI 1993 to 1995. Rhodes


Scholar, Advisor, SALT-1 1969 TO 1970, General Counsel, U.S.
Senate Committee on Armed Services, 1970 to 1973.
Undersecretary of the Navy, 1977 to 1979. Delegate at large to
U.S. in Geneva 1983 to 1986. Ambassador to Negotiation on
Conventional Armed Forces in Europe 1989 to 1991. Currently,
Trustee: Center for Strategic & International Studies. Member,
Project for a New American Century (a group dedicated to main-
taining American dominance in world affairs, founded by Richard
Chaney and Donald Rumsfeld). Called for removal of Sadam
Hussein.

John M. Deuch - Appointed as the first Jewish Director of


Central Intelligence by Pres. Clinton. DCI 1995 to 1996. Ph.D in
Chemistry from MIT. Served in various positions at the U.S.
Department of Energy. Currently on Board of Citigroup (world’s
largest financial services group).

George Tenet - DCI 1997 to 2004. Deputy Director CIA


1995 to 1997. Staff, Select Committee on Intelligence 1985 to
End Note - 3
1993. Best known for lending his personal authority to the cred-
ibility of reports of Sadam Hussein having Weapons of Mass
Destruction and his failures to forsee 9-11 terrorist attacks.

John E. McLaughlin - DCI 2 months during 2004

Porter J. Gross - Offering no explanation, Mr. Gross


resigned as DCI, April 2006. Yale (majored in ancient Greek).
Recruited from Yale by CIA. Served simultaneously in U.S. Army
and CIA intelligence operations, 1960 to 1970 in Latin America,
Europe, Carribbean (Bay of Pigs, Cuban Missile Crisis) “Retired”
from CIA in 1970 after suffering a near fatal blood infection
(really). U.S. Congressman, Florida, 13th District, 7 terms. Chair,
House Intelligence Committee 1997 to 2005. Appointed DCI by
Pres. G.W. Bush. Sponsor, U.S. Patriot Act. Led Joint Inquiry into
Terrorist Attacks of 2001.

Michael Vincent Hayden - holds the rank of general in the


United States Air Force, which describes him as "the highest-
ranking military intelligence officer in the armed forces." He is
currently the only non-rated Air Force four-star general. He is the
Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence, where he is
said to be "responsible for overseeing the day-to-day activities of
the national intelligence program."[1] He took office on April 21,
2005, when both he and Director of National Intelligence (DNI)
John Negroponte were sworn in after a Senate confirmation.

End Note - 4
It is generally accepted that with the appointment of John
D. Negroponte as the Director of National Intelligence, the
traditional preiminence of the CIA is no more. Another Yale
graduate (1960), Mr. Negroponte served in the United Statess
Foreign Service from 1960 to 1997. In 1981, he became the U.S.
Ambassador to Honduras. From 1981 to 1985, Negroponte over-
saw the growth of military aid to Honduras from $4 million to
$77.4 million per year. Critics say that during his ambassadorship,
human rights violations in Honduras became systematic. The
Honduras Commission on Human Rights accused Negroponte of
human rights violations, but have failed in making those charges
stick. Negroponte supervised the construction of the El Aguacate
Air Base where Nicaraguan Contras were trained by the U.S. , and
which critics say was used as a secret detention and torture center
during the 1980’s. In August 2001, excavations at the base discov-
ered 185 corpses, including two Americans, who are thought to
have been killed and buried at the site. Negroponte is suspected by
some commentators to have known of human rights abuses carried
out by CIA-trained operatives in Honduras in the 1980s. Records
also show that a special intelligence unit (commonly referred to as
a “death squad”) of Honduran armed forces, Battalion 3-16, trained
by the CIA and the Argentine 601st Intelligence Battalion and Arm
Intelligence Service, kidnapped, tortured and killed hundreds of
people, including U.S. missionaries. Critics charge that
Negroponte knew about these human rights violations and yet
continued to collaborate with the Honduran military while lying to
Congress. Twenty years later, on April 19, 2004, Negroponte was
nominated by U.S. President George W. Bush to be the U.S.
Ambassador to Iraq after the 30 June handover of sovereignty. In
the months Negroponte spent as U.S. Ambassador to Iraq he
received plaudits, even from Bush administration critics, for his
work tackling corruption in the U.S. administration in Iraq.*

* Wikipedia: The Free Encyclopedia. 23 May 2006. Wikimedia


Foundation. 23 Oct. 2005 <http://en.wikipedia.org

End Note - 5
End Note - 6
“BAGMAN” - Index

Abrams, Elliot - 66, 67


Argueta, Manuel Colom - 93
Armetage, Richard - 31, 90
Army, Dept. - 33, 35, 46, 100
Army, Military Intelligence - 101
Baker, A.J., Col. - 90
Barrios, David Cancinos, Gen. - 93
BCCI Bank - 91
BCP Bank - 91
Beaseley, Don - 66
Black, Edwin - 66
BNL Bank - 91
Bonano (The), Family - 58
Bush, George H.W. - 22, 29, 77
Cali Cartel - 91
Camarina, “Kiki” - 1, 2
Carone, Albert V., Col. - 1-3, 5, 17, 27-28, 50, 57, 79, 84, 89, 95
Carone-Ferdinand, Desiree - 3-108
Carone, Pasquale - 20, 21, 32, 60, 84, 97
Casey, William J. - 24, 61, 72, 79, 81, 89, 94, 96, 102
Castellano, Paul - 26, 55, 61, 90, 96
Chicago Options Exchange - 92
CIA - 100-103
Clinton, William J. - 77, 85, 102
Colby, William - 72,82, 89, 92, 93, 95, 102
Continental Illinois Natl. Bank & Trust Co. of Chicago - 92
Cotulo, Edward P., Col. - 76, 90
De Mohrenschildt, George - 80
Dominici, Pete, U.S. Sen. - 37
Donnelly, Paul, Maj. - 47
Egg (The), Benny - 55
Escobar, Pablo - 68
Ferdinand, Thomas - 8-10, 95
Foster, Vince - 49
Frankie, Uncle - 55
Gallo Brothers - 58
Gambino, Carlo - 26, 90
Genovese (Crime Family) - 101
Genovese, Vito - 56, 58, 72, 84, 89,
Giancanna, Sam - 41, 90
Gotti, John - 90
Gump, Forest - 104
Halliwell, Paul - 66
Hand, Michael, Col. - 66, 90
Hartman, Alfred - 92
Herman, Russell - 49
Hill, Fawn - 30
Hirari, Michael, Col. - 14-16, 90
Horse (The), Matty - 55
Import-Export Bank - 91
Intermaritime Bank of New York - 91
Kohlman, Raymond - 69
London Stock Exchange - 92
Lorenz, Maurita - 84
Maheu, Robert - 41
McCoy, Bill - 51
McFarlane - 85
Medelin Cartel - 91
Meneses Cartel - 91
Mohammed, Murtala Ramat, Gen. - 93
Mohr, Alberto Fuentes - 93
New York Police Department - 101
New York Stock Exchange - 92
Ngouabi, Marine, Pres. - 93
Nixon, Richard M. - 82, 90, 92
Noriega, Manuel - 29, 84
North, Oliver - 22, 31, 62, 67-68, 77, 90, 94, 100,
Nugan-Hand Bank - 66
Nugan, Frank - 66
Operation:
A-11 - 91
A-12 - 91
A-13 - 91
A-14 - 91
Red Mist - 90
Sea Spray - 91
Sandman - 90
Sandman II - 90
Watch Tower - 91, 93-94
Yellow Fruit - 91
Oswald, Lee Harvey - 80
Paine, Ruth - 79
Perrazo, Pete - 60
Percillia, Joe (“Pickles”) - 55, 96
Poindexter, John - 24, 85
Prince Spaghetti - 57
Rappaport, Bruce - 92
Ratsimandrava, Richard, Pres. - 93
Reagan, Ronald - 22,
Reardon, Jimmy - 59
Rothstein, Jimmy - 49-50, 59
Seal, Barry - 90
Secord, Richard, Gen. - 90
Shackley, Theodore - 31, 42-44, 62,
Stilwell, Richard, Gen. - 62, 84, 90, 96
Strauss, James R. - 1-3, 17, 64, 96, 101, 103
Surveillance UP AR 340-18-5 - 91
Task Force Bravo - 91
Thesing, James (MD) - 16, 97
Tolliver, Mike - 12
Trafficante, Santos - 41, 96
Tyree, Eileen - 76
Tyree, William - 69, 73, 78, 103
Urbina, Ricardo M. - 100
Vesco, Robert - 84, 90
Wallace, Jane - 10-11
Weld, William F. - 85
Wilson, Edwin - 63
Yarborough, William P., Gen. - 90
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