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JUDICIAL ARBITER GROUP
JAG No. 12 A 1318
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REPORTER'S TRANSCRIPT OF HEARING, VOLUME VII
November 13, 2012
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IN RE: THE APPLICATION OF ENERGY FUELS RESOURCES,
INC. FOR A RADIOACTIVE MATERIALS LICENSE FOR THE
PINON RIDGE URANIUM MILL
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PURSUANT TO NOTICE to all parties in


interest, the above-entitled matter resumed for
hearing before Honorable Richard W. Dana on Tuesday,
November 13, 2012, beginning at 8:37 a.m., at

1045 Main Street, Nucla, Colorado, before Janet Lee

Priestley, Registered Professional Reporter and

Notary Public within and for the State of Colorado.

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APPEARANCES:
FAEGRE BAKER DANIELS, LLP
By James R. Spaanstra, Esq.
Olivia D. Lucas, Esq.
1700 Lincoln Street, Suite 3200
Denver, Colorado 80203
ENERGY FUELS RESOURCES
By Curtis H. Moore, Esq.
Director of Communications & Legal
Affairs
44 Union Boulevard, Suite 600
Lakewood, Colorado 80228
Appearing on behalf of Energy Fuels
Resources.
TRAVIS STILLS, ESQ.
Energy Minerals Law Center
1911 Main Avenue, Suite 238
Durango, Colorado 81301
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JEFFREY C. PARSONS, ESQ.
Western Mining Action Project
P.O. Box 349
Lyons, Colorado 80540
Appearing on behalf of Sheep Mountain
Alliance.
MATT SANDLER, ESQ.
Rocky Mountain Wild
1536 Wynkoop Street, Suite 303
Denver, Colorado 80202
Appearing telephonically on behalf of
Rocky Mountain Wild, Center for
Biological Diversity, and Colorado
Environmental Coalition.
OFFICE OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL
By Jerry W. Goad, Esq.
First Assistant Attorney General
1525 Sherman Street, 7th Floor
Denver, Colorado 80203
Appearing telephonically on behalf
of Colorado Department of Public
Health and Environment.

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APPEARANCES:

(Continued)

ROBERT LOUIS GROSSMAN, PhD


6215 Baseline Road
Boulder, Colorado 80303
Party in Interest

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I N D E X
WITNESSES
FRANK FILAS
Redirect Examination by Ms. Lucas
Recross-Examination by Mr. Stills
Recross-Examination by Dr. Grossman
Redirect Examination by Ms. Lucas
Further Recross-Exam by Mr. Stills

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ROBERT L. GROSSMAN
Direct testimony
Cross-Examination by Mr. Spaanstra
Cross-Examination by Mr. Stills
Cross-Examination by Mr. Sandler

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Cross-Examination by Dr. Grossman
Cross-Examination by Mr. Stills

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KIMBERLY F. MORRISON
Direct Examination by Mr. Spaanstra
Voir Dire Examination by Mr. Stills
Direct Exam resumed by Mr. Spaanstra
Cross-Examination by Mr. Stills
Cross-Examination by Dr. Grossman
Cross-Examination by Mr. Sandler
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Recross-Examination by Mr. Stills

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Cross-Examination by Dr. Grossman
Cross-Examination by Mr. Stills

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SANDRA L. GOODMAN
Direct Examination by Mr. Moore
Voir Dire Examination by Mr. Stills
Direct Examination resumed by Mr. Moore
Cross-Examination by Mr. Stills
Cross-Examination by Dr. Grossman

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I N D E X (Continued)

SMA EXHIBITS

ADMITTED

Exhibit 32 9-20-12 Caroline Lee E-mail

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Exhibit 33 9-19-12 Golder Associates report

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Exhibit 34 One-page summary of sections of


the application

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Exhibit 3 Kimberly Morrison's report

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Exhibit 1

Dr. Grossman's opening statement

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Document prepared by Dr. Grossman

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HEARING OFFICER:
witness.

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Ms. Lucas, it's your

REDIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MS. LUCAS:

Good morning, Mr. Filas.

Yesterday we

heard a lot of questions of you, and so this morning

I'm just going to do some redirect on you, sort of

touch on some points that were raised yesterday.

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MR. STILLS:

I'm

sorry.

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I can hardly hear.

MS. LUCAS:

I'll wait for that to shut

off.

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(By Ms. Lucas)

Okay.

Yesterday we heard

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some talk about alternate feed delivered to the mill.

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I want to be -- just to clarify, given the current

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position of the license application, is Energy Fuels

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expecting CDPHE to issue a license allowing Energy

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Fuels to process alternate feed at the Pinon Ridge

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mill?

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No.

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We also heard about the Whirlwind mine and

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your involvement there with the water treatment

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system.

Mr. Stills showed some documents on the

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screen.

What were those?

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Those were monthly discharge reports to

CDPHE's Water Pollution Control Division in which we

relayed the monitoring results from the water

treatment system.

And Energy Fuels wasn't cited for any

violation of its discharge permit at the Whirlwind

mine, was it?

That's correct.

We heard some talk about different types

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of tailings; paste tailing, which are also referred

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to as dry stock tailings, and we heard that the

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environmental report did not analyze these paste

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tailings and that they also were not included in your

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application.

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Why not?

Probably two reasons, more than anything

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else.

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very thick so they're a very -- they're a maintenance

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headache, trying to pump these type of materials.

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The other probably more compelling reason was that we

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felt strongly conventional tailings with a water

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cover was better at reducing radon emissions than

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having up to 10 acres of dry tailings exposed to the

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environment.

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One is paste tailing, as the name implies, are

You've also testified that Energy Fuels is

seeking an air permit from the Air Pollution Control

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Division in a separate process.

for a mill for a thousand tons per day.

That air permit is


Why?

When we initially met with these folks, we

told them that we were initially going to process

500 tons per day.

future plans?

expand it to a thousand tons per day.

indicated under the EPA rules that they adopted that

they would prefer to permit for a thousand tons per

And they said, Do you have any

And we said that we would like to


And they

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day so that they could verify what our final size of

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the mill might be.

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There's a difference between having a

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minor source and a major source.

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major source, then there's more restrictive controls

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on you.

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also a minor source, but that is the way that the

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Water Pollution Control Division -- excuse me -- the

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Air Pollution Control Division would -- that's what

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their regulations dictated.

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And if you are a

It ended up the thousand tons per day was

Okay.

So essentially your overpermitted

on the air side?


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That's correct.

But as you're aware, as

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far as other permits like with the radiation program

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or with the county, we're limited to an average of

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500 tons per day.

And those are the -- we have to go

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by our most restrictive permits.


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Assuming that the radiation program of

CDPHE approves the radioactive materials license for

the 500-ton-per-day mill that's being talked about in

this proceeding, if Energy Fuels wanted to expand

operations to a thousand tons per day, isn't it true

that you'd have to go through this entire radiation

program, CDPHE licensing process again?

Well, we wouldn't necessarily have to --

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we'd maybe do baseline studies.

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certainly have to amend our license application and

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look at the additional impacts associated with the

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larger facility.

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amend our special use permit with the county.

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But we would

We would also have to go back and

There's a lot more licensing to be done if

you're planning to expand?


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Exactly.

We're limited to 500 tons per

day if we're approved.


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Okay.

Moving to a different area,

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yesterday Mr. Stills asked you some questions about

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the surety bond with CDPHE, And he asked you about

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the Ames Construction estimate for surety up on the

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screen.

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by Energy Fuels or for Energy Fuels?

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Were any other external estimates performed

Yes.

There were two others; one by U.S.

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Reclamation, which is a very detailed estimate, and

other one was done by KGL.

And ultimately with the previous license

application, Energy Fuels proposed an $11 million

bond.

Why?

13 million.

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U.S. Reclamation's estimate was

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Your Honor, if I may object,

I think we're testifying to new facts not in evidence

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anywhere that I know of.

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should have been disclosed.

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Did you look at all the

I did.

Are they in there?

I think they should be.

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if they're not, we can get them to you.

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I've never seen them.

produced documents?

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U.S. Reclamation and KGL

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I guess I'll have recross,

then.
HEARING OFFICER:

Which documents?

Are

they in the record?


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Apparently not because

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apparently they're not within the documents that

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It's your record.

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that's why I made the objection.

I mean,

We're moving into a

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Okay.

We'll move on.

We can

stop talking about that.

(By Ms. Lucas)

Energy Fuels entered into

a settlement agreement with the Town of Telluride and

San Miguel County; is that correct?

That's correct.

And in that settlement agreement Energy

Fuels agreed that it would post a surety of no less

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than $15 million if a license issued; isn't that

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right?

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That's correct.

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And also, if a license issues, a

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radioactive material license issues, CDPHE will

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review the surety amount every year; isn't that

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correct?

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That's correct.

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Moving on, Dr. Grossman asked you some

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questions last night about the transportation of ore

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and reagents to and from the site.

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that?

Do you recall

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Where does the application documents --

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where do the application documents address

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transportation issues?

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There's three places.

One is in Volume 3.

We have a mine operations plan.

outlined what our ore haulage would look like on

average over the life of the mill, the number of

trucks.

a generic one, for ore haulage.

hire contractors to do this work, they have to come

up with their own plan.

substantial plan that could form the basis for their

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And that plan

We also included an emergency response plan,


Again, since we

But we gave them a pretty

plans, if they wanted to.

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We also in -- Volume 14, I believe, is the

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permanent access permit application and traffic

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study.

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with the 1,000-ton-per-day mill.

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we did for a thousand tons per day because we

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obviously didn't want to build the new access and

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then have to tear it up and make it bigger or longer

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so we permitted for the most extreme case there.

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there's a traffic study in there that talks about the

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traffic volumes and frequencies.

In that we looked at the traffic associated

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Again, this was one

So

And finally, the environmental report

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looked at transportation and transportation impacts

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in detail.

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the application.

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And so those are the three locations in

MS. LUCAS:

Okay.

And for the record,

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Your Honor, in our multidisk set that you have,

Volume 14 -- actually, all of that is on the first

disk, Disk 1.

before, there are many folders, and they're each

labeled disk something.

labeled Disk 15, and the mine operation plan is in

the disk -- in the folder labeled Disk 4.

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Within that disk we talked about

Volume 14 is in the folder

(By Ms. Lucas)

So there's discussion in

the application documents about transportation.

Can

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you explain some of the shipping standards for ore,

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yellowcake, and reagents that were agreed to in the

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settlement agreement with Telluride and San Miguel

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County?

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Okay.

I've got Exhibit A from that

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settlement agreement in front of me, and I'll name a

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few.

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just hit the big ones.

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shall be limited by the size of the trailer and

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weight restrictions imposed by any local or state

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agencies on the roads to be traveled.

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leaving the site," the mine sites -- or maybe this is

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the mill.

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be scanned periodically to verify gamma exposure

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rates are not in excess of regulatory limits.

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truck and trailer shall be visually inspected to be

There's quite a few requirements here.

We'll

"The tonnage to be shipped

Prior to

"Prior to leaving the site, trucks shall

The

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sure the load is secured, covered, and there's no

leakage from the bed and there is no loose ore on the

vehicle.

times when containing uranium ore and when emptying

by the use of a tarpaulin or other suitable cover.

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The trailer must be kept closed at all

Okay.

Dr. Grossman also asked about the

emergency response plan.

Do you recall that?

Yes.

And can you -- let me rephrase.

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The application contains an emergency


response plan, doesn't it?
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Again, we have an emergency response

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plan for the mill which also includes supporting any

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sort of transportation accident in the vicinity of

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the mill.

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MS. LUCAS:

Okay.

And I guess for the

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record, just to point out where this is, it's in

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Volume 12 of the application.

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it's on Disk 1 in the folder labeled Disk 13 A,

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Appendix 3, Volume 12 replacement.

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a blank disk in our original set.

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DR. GROSSMAN:

Again, in our record

Apparently we had

Could you say that again,

please.
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Sure.

So online if you go

under "Applications and Documents," it's very clearly

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labeled under Volume 12.

place to find it for the public and citizens.

this proceeding we also had disks of the record that

was before the district court.

the first disk.

folders in it, and each of those folders is labeled

disk something, Disk 1, Disk 2.

folder Disk 13 A.

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MS. LUCAS:
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In

And in that, it's on

And then that disk has a bunch of

DR. GROSSMAN:

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That's probably the easiest

And so it's in the

Thank you.

Absolutely.

(By Ms. Lucas)

So the emergency response

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plan is in the application documents.

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settlement agreement also contains more details about

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emergency response, doesn't it?

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Yeah.

And the

It has quite a few details.

Again,

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I'll just hit some of the highlights.

I won't -- I

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believe all this is in the record so I don't

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necessarily need to read it all.

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response plan along with the applicable emergency

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response guidelines shall contain the following

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information: the basic description and technical name

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of the hazardous material, immediate hazards to

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health, risks of fire or explosion, immediate

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precautions to be taken in the event of an accident

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or incident, immediate methods of handling fires,

"The emergency

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initial methods for handling spills or leaks in the

absence of fire, preliminary first aid measures.

"All shipments shall include appropriate

documentation and onboard shipping papers.

The

carrier shall have detailed emergency response plans

including emergency contact information.

event of an accident, emergency response may include

the following:

be contacted and dispatched to the scene to ensure

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A representative of Energy Fuels will

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proper handling of the accident.

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capable, shall be responsible for the accident scene

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until emergency responders arrive.

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response team shall be dispatched to the site.

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emergency responders, including local fire and law

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enforcement, may be dispatched to the accident, as

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appropriate.

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for potential hazards including injuries, fire, fuel,

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spills, down power lines, traffic hazards, and

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proximity to bodies of water.

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shall be abated, injured people shall be treated, and

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traffic control shall be established."

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The driver, if

An emergency
Other

The accident scene shall be assessed

Immediate hazards

I'm going to skip some of these here.

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think you get the idea.

"After spilled material is

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removed" -- this is referring to ore or yellowcake --

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a scintillometer or gamma meter shall be used to

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identify any additional hot spots of residual

material for cleanup.

completed until the area is at or near background

levels of radiation.

the accident, one or more state and federal agencies

shall be notified."

you get the idea.

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But I think

That's all I have.

Recross?

We skipped the

material, as I understand it, about these estimates.


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That's right.

That was

withdrawn.
MR. STILLS:

And I just want to ask a

couple quick questions.

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Okay.

HEARING OFFICER:

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Again, it goes on.

Thank you.

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Depending on the severity of

MS. LUCAS:

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The cleanup shall not be

RECROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. STILLS:
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There are additional bonding estimates

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that Energy Fuels had in its possession other than

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the Ames Construction; is that correct?

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MS. LUCAS:

Objection.

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withdrew this line of questioning.

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intent.

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MR. STILLS:
detail on it.

I thought we
That was my

I objected to going into

The fact that they exist I didn't

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object to.

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questioning.

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HEARING OFFICER:
asked and answered.

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I withdrew the line of

It's responsive.

MR. STILLS:
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Well, this question was

Okay.

(By Mr. Stills)

So it's in the record.

And the emergency

response plan only offer covers accidents that could

happen near the mill; is that correct?

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No.

Our mill responders would go to a

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spill if it occurred within the general area.

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other words, if it's an ore truck hauling to the

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mill, we would be there.

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yellowcake truck that is, say, in Indiana and it has

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an accident, we would send a representative, but

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they're required to have their own emergency response

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team on call 24/7 to respond.

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little too far for us to be of much use other than to

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send a representative and make sure that the cleanup

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was done properly.

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But, for example, if it's a

In that case it's a

But shipping yellowcake to a buyer is

integral to your business, is it not?


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It becomes the buyer's property at the

mill so it is -Q

Somebody else's problem?

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It is primarily their responsibility.

Call the fire department in Indiana.

the fire department over there.

about it.

the plan that somebody else will take care of it.

That's correct, right?

Call

We're not concerned

We're just going to assume for purposes of

That's not what I said.

Is my characterization correct?

No.

I said that we would send our

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representative who would look over the shoulder of

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their emergency response team and ensure that the

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work, the cleanup, was done correctly.

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And is the adequacy of anyone's response

team analyzed in the environmental report?


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We do not look specifically at emergency

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response teams for our contractors because they

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obviously have to select their contractor when they

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obtain a contract with us, and that has not happened

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because the mill has not been built.

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something that when we sign a contract with people,

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we ensure that they have in place an emergency

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response team.

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This is

But you anticipate signing contracts with

people to do this shipping?


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Correct.

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MR. STILLS:

HEARING OFFICER:

DR. GROSSMAN:

HEARING OFFICER:

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No further questions.
Dr. Grossman?

I have a question.
Yes.

RECROSS-EXAMINATION
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With respect to this emergency response

and transportation and your relationship with the

Colorado Department of Transport, there's been a

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little bit of news around here in the last month

11

about an asphalt spill out at in Dry Creek Basin that

12

went unnoticed until the sheriff just happened to be

13

taking a ride out there on his motorcycle on the

14

weekend and saw it, videoed it, raised hell about it,

15

and got it cleaned up.

16

problem was, A, they didn't know what the material

17

was; and B, there was some kind of permitting that

18

had to go on between the San Miguel -- the cleanup

19

people and the Department of Transport, and that kind

20

of fell through the cracks.

21

the emergency response world what kind of

22

conferencing or communication you've had with the

23

Department of Transport so that we don't have to wait

24

two weeks to get a cleanup done just because of

25

bureaucracy?

And it turned out that the

So could you tell us in

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As you mentioned, one of the things that

we did when we put together the emergency response

plan was to contact the local responders.

Department of Transportation was obviously in there.

We set up preliminary plans so that later, once the

facility is constructed, we would do training

exercises and would have -- at that point in time

we'd have updated contact lists.

lists in there now, but we would certainly -- we've

Colorado

We do have contact

10

committed to doing training and working with outside

11

responders to make sure we have a coordinated effort

12

on any emergency response situation.

13

Thank you.

I guess my concern is that the

14

Department of Transport, I guess, is the final

15

arbiter on what goes on on the roads here.

16

just concerned, as a citizen, whether Montrose County

17

and San Miguel County, Delta, Grand, and Mesa, the

18

surrounding counties to this road, to this mill,

19

would have adequate response teams to go out into

20

these remote areas and pull a truck full of uranium

21

ore out of a ditch 50 feet deep with it spread all

22

the place and maybe a dead driver, God forbid, so

23

that nobody really knew about it until he didn't show

24

up at the mill.

25

nothing that you-all can do about it except insist

This concerns me.

And I'm

And there's

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that you have adequate response teams 24/7 sitting

around like at the fire station, ready to take care

of this dangerous material while it's on the road.

Is that a question?

Yeah.

Do you have -- have you

communicated with these sheriff departments to ensure

that they have or will have an adequate number of

response teams or response capability to take care of

these accidents away from the mill?

I understand

10

that you've got it covered maybe within a few miles

11

of the mill, but away from the mill?

12

As I mentioned, we will have our ore

13

haulage trucks covered by our emergency response

14

team.

15

that are more -- have larger populations such as Mesa

16

County, they have emergency response teams of their

17

own.

18

In some cases, with some of these counties

In the more rural areas you're looking at

19

voluntary response teams.

However, in our case, if a

20

contractor hauling ore would have an accident, we

21

would have our response team there.

22

not sitting around at a fire station, waiting to be

23

called.

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been trained, and they'll be available whether

25

they're on-shift or off-shift if there's an accident.

And no, they are

They're people who work at the mill who have

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DR. GROSSMAN:

MS. LUCAS:

clarify some of this.

4
5
6

I'm through.

If I may, just a few points to

FURTHER REDIRECT EXAMINATION


BY MS. LUCAS:
Q

I was just referring to Exhibit A again.

Some of the points on there might address

Dr. Grossman's questions.

at Page 2 --

10
11

DR. GROSSMAN:

Excuse me.

MS. LUCAS:

13

DR. GROSSMAN:

14

MS. LUCAS:

MR. STILLS:

MS. LUCAS:

19

MR. STILLS:

21
22

I'm sorry.

Exhibit A to the settlement

For my clarity -- I'm sorry.

Is he looking at Exhibit A right now?

18

20

Yes.

agreement with San Miguel and Telluride.

16
17

Are we talking

about the settlement with --

12

15

Frank, if you could look

Yes, he is.
Okay.

(By Ms. Lucas)

Second page, eighth bullet

point, can you read that for us.


A

"The emergency response plan must clearly

23

define who is responsible for each type of emergency

24

response action."

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Moving down that page, two bullets down

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after the --

"Mine safety personnel shall provide

training to carrier personnel for the proper loading

and transportation of ore."

And the last bullet on that page?

"A record of current carrier providing

training shall be maintained by the transportation

contractor for every employee of the contractor."

9
10
11

Okay.

On the next page, the eighth bullet

"All shipments shall be transported by

down.

12

personnel who are certified and trained to transport

13

hazardous materials."

14

Okay.

And the last point I want to bring

15

out -- and I think this goes to the sort of waiting

16

around the fire station scenario -- if you could go

17

to the eleventh bullet, three down.

18
19

"All shipments shall be supported by an

emergency response team in the event of an accident."

20

MS. LUCAS:

21

MR. STILLS:

22

sections of that.

23
24
25

That's all I have.


I believe there were two

I have one question, if I may.

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Q

You talked about mine safety and ore

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haulage; is that correct?

I just read that, yes.

And that's part of the application that we

have here?

6
7

There is an emergency response plan in the

appendix to the mine operations plan.


Q

And the emergency response plan that you

just described addresses activities taking place on

federal public lands; is that correct?

10

If it occurs on federal public lands,

11

there would be a remedial -- or there would be a

12

response, yes.

13

But the plan that you have and that you've

14

just described addresses activities on federal public

15

roads and federal public mine sites; is that correct?

16
17

and other roads.

18
19

As well as private roads, state highways,

MR. STILLS:

Would you read my question

back, please.

20

Listen carefully, and answer specifically.

21

(Last question read.)

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Yes.

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MR. STILLS:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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Thank you.

Nothing further.

Thank you.

Wait a

minute.

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Mr. Sandler, do you have questions?

MR. SANDLER:

Mr. Filas.

Nothing further for

Thanks, Judge.
HEARING OFFICER:

Dr. Grossman, do you

want a break before you start, or do you want to go

ahead?

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8

DR. GROSSMAN:

I can go ahead, if you

want.

HEARING OFFICER:

The chair's yours.

10

you want to testify from there or up here?

11

need your computer?

12

DR. GROSSMAN:

13

HEARING OFFICER:

14

Do

Do you

No.
Okay.

Why don't you

come up here, then.

15

DR. GROSSMAN:

I'm sorry.

I would like to

16

first put in my opening statement as testimony or as

17

Exhibit 1, I guess.

18
19
20
21

HEARING OFFICER:
copy of it?
DR. GROSSMAN:

I sent you a copy by

E-mail, and I can get a written copy to you.

22

HEARING OFFICER:

23

MS. LUCAS:

24

HEARING OFFICER:

25

Do you have a written

Is there an objection?

I'm sorry?
Dr. Grossman wants to

submit his opening statement as an exhibit.

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MS. LUCAS:

Oh, his opening statement?

objection.

MR. STILLS:

MR. GOAD:

MS. LUCAS:

No objection.
No objection.
I'm sorry.

Just to clarify,

this is the same one that you circulated --

DR. GROSSMAN:

MS. LUCAS:

No

At the very beginning.

At the very beginning, a week

ago, right?

10

DR. GROSSMAN:

11

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Right.
Well, Your Honor, we've

12

indicated this proceeding is different than maybe any

13

that we've ever participated in.

14

that he was testifying in his opening statements so I

15

think this affirms that.

16
17

HEARING OFFICER:

It may void your

objection.

18

DR. GROSSMAN:

19

HEARING OFFICER:

20

I think I noted

I took that into account.


All right.

I will make

sure I print it and mark it as an exhibit.

21

(Grossman Exhibit 1 admitted.)

22

DR. GROSSMAN:

Given what I'm about to

23

say, it's as an exhibit, as well so, it's available.

24

I've broken this into basically kind of an outline

25

and then a discussion of that outline to some degree,

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taking a lot of latitude with it.

of the state of Colorado and a resident of --

3
4

HEARING OFFICER:
your right hand.

Raise

I forgot to do that.

Officer.)

HEARING OFFICER:

And your name is

Dr. Robert Grossman?

THE WITNESS:

10
11

Wait a minute.

(Dr. Grossman was sworn by the Hearing

But I'm a citizen

That's correct.

HEARING OFFICER:

Go ahead.

I'm sorry I

interrupted.

12

ROBERT L. GROSSMAN,

13

being duly sworn in the above cause, testified as

14

follows:

15

DIRECT EXAMINATION

16

DR. GROSSMAN:

I'm a resident of Montrose

17

County, West End.

18

Norwood.

19

yard, and I'll probably see the smoke from this mill.

20

So I have an outline here, and it's just want to give

21

you-all an idea of where I'm coming from.

22

I live three miles north of

I can see Paradox Valley from my front

These are my major issues.

First is the

23

dispersion modeling of normal and extreme conditions.

24

I'm concerned about the data that was used for

25

normal.

One year of data is not climate.

There were

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no comparisons with long-term stations using standard

techniques.

used to characterize high wind, dust storm conditions

and were these proper models used.

wasn't this part of the permitting process?

proper models used for a serious mill accident during

high winds?

permitting process?

account for dust and fugitive ore from supplying

I'm concerned about the models that were

Were

If not, why is this not part of the


Were proper models used to

10

mines and secondary roads use?

11

not part of the permitting process?

12

If not, why

If not, why is this

Over in the world of transportation -- and

13

this has been covered a bit, but I'm still going to

14

get it into the record.

15

transportation plan that addresses the regional

16

transportation impacts of this project.

17

why is this not part of the permitting process with

18

DOT, Colorado Department of Transport, as the

19

approving agency?

20

impacts not been addressed?

21

I couldn't find a separate

And I ask

Why have regional transport

And when we get to the permitting process,

22

why is CDPHE apparently the only permitting agency?

23

Why isn't there a group of agencies charged with

24

various aspects of the mill permit included in the

25

determination and limitations of the permit with a

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single panel appointed by the governor's office with

final decision authority?

I'll get into that a bit.

Were public interest groups asked for

inputs as much as Energy Fuels?

There seems to be a

difference in the way the permitee and those with

questions about the permit were treated.

ever meet with public interest groups other than in

public comment sessions, court, or hearings like

this?

Did CDPHE

If not, why not?

10

And now I'll go into more detail.

As an

11

expert in the field of meteorology, I can attest that

12

the USA climate normal, according to NOAA, is a

13

30-year average.

14

normal is reevaluated, which was done recently, so

15

the new normal is slightly higher than the old normal

16

pretty much all over the country.

17

respect to temperature.

18

calculated for all the basic meteorological

19

variables: temperature, humidity, wind speed,

20

et cetera.

21

Every 30 years this average or

This is with

But these normals are

So in my opinion, I want to emphasize that

22

within the NOAA station climate paradigm, the data

23

obtained for one year, April 2008 to April 2009, at

24

the proposed Pinon Ridge mill site is useless in

25

determining the climate of the site or local area.

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note that an attempt was made to compare this year to

a normal station at the Nucla Airport.

that that was the 30-year record.

apparently a co-op site, the standard techniques for

comparison were not presented, only a rough

comparison with no conclusions other than, quote, The

monthly wind speed averages from Site 1 and 2 are

higher than the Nucla long-term averages.

both data sets exhibit similar annual patterns.

10

I wasn't sure

No analysis was shown.

And at Uravan,

However,

Uravan is in a

11

canyon, very different than the mill site.

And the

12

Nucla Airport is on top of a mesa, a much bigger

13

altitude difference than the 3-meter Nucla tower

14

height and the 10-meter Pinon Ridge tower height

15

discussed in the environmental impacts analysis.

16

That's called EIA, to differentiate it from the ER,

17

which was compiled by Energy Fuels.

18

In my opinion, I recommend at least five

19

years of data at the Pinon Ridge mill site to get a

20

handle on interannual variability of meteorological

21

variables commonly observed from meteorological

22

towers such as temperature, humidity, pressure, wind

23

velocity and rainfall.

24

updating of the mill site meteorological data to form

25

a climate data time series.

I also recommend annual

These data should be

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available to the public in a format available for

analysis such as comma or space delimited variables.

In the couple of weeks prior to this

meeting, I was made aware that this data was

available to me on the Web.

was in PDF format.

could not convert that.

challenged at this stage of my life so that I could

not convert that data so that I could use it.

But when I got there, it

And without expensive software, I


And I'm somewhat technically

Later,

10

thanks to Faegre Daniels, I was able to get that

11

data.

12

And you'll see some of that analysis now.


With respect to the models used for

13

emissions and air dispersion, these are two models

14

that were stated, MILDOS and AERMOD.

15

model was discussed in the cross-examination of

16

Dr. Craig Little, Energy Fuels' consultant on

17

emissions dispersion who used MILDOS to determine

18

dosages within the mill complex, at the fence line,

19

for nearest neighbors, and for distant towns such as

20

Norwood, Telluride, and Ophir.

21

The MILDOS

Dr. Little agreed with my assessment of

22

the model description, that it was a straight-line,

23

Gaussian dispersion model, thus unable to accommodate

24

complex terrain between the mill site and the

25

candidate towns, some up to 50 miles away and

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thousands of feet above the mill site.

MILDOS uses surface wind data which would be

appropriate for short distances but not for long

distances, as the mill material would be lofted above

the planetary boundary layer within a few miles and

then subject to winds aloft which are often different

in speed and direction than surface winds.

does not use upper level winds.

MILDOS is an inadequate model to determine dosage of

10

Furthermore,

MILDOS

Thus, in my opinion

distances well away from the mill site.

11

The AERMOD model does accommodate complex

12

terrain and it also uses Gaussian dispersion

13

associated with a single trajectory.

14

lofting above the boundary layer and should use

15

specific upper air winds from the nearest upper air

16

station; in this case, Grand Junction, some 50 miles

17

away.

18

the release times used for the dispersion

19

calculation.

20

assessing dispersion, one should obtain individual

21

model results over the time period of the release and

22

then accumulate statistics based on that ensemble.

23

In this case, several upper air soundings may be

24

necessary depending on the time period of release and

25

the distance covered in the assessment.

It accommodates

The upper air soundings should be closest to

In order to use this model properly for

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In my opinion, the AERMOD model is limited

due to the single trajectory it calculates rather

than an ensemble of trajectories that accommodate

slight differences in the release conditions over

time.

described above.

that the wind direction with respect to the azimuth

differences between the site and downstream towns

would cause emissions from the site to miss them.

This limit can be overcome by multiple runs


I do not agree with those who feel

10

Even if that was true, it is in the public interest

11

to know where the effluents from the mill can travel.

12

So this type of modeling should be recommended by the

13

licensing and permitting authorities.

14

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, just to

15

interrupt briefly, Dr. Grossman, you're reading from

16

something other than your opening statement?

17

DR. GROSSMAN:

18

MR. SPAANSTRA:

19
20
21
22
23
24
25

Yes, I am.
Okay.

We'd just like a

copy of that after you're done.


DR. GROSSMAN:
to everybody.

Absolutely.

I'll E-mail it

And I gave a copy to --

HEARING OFFICER:

I have a copy, if you

want to follow along.


MR. SPAANSTRA:

No, we're fine.

I just

realized this was beyond your opening statement.

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DR. GROSSMAN:

Yes.

I recommend a site-specific ensemble

approach for modeling.

Ensemble-like models such as

HySplit or CalPuff, to name two, take into account

variability of the wind and soundings over time,

producing an ensemble for analysis.

Gaussian dispersion calculation -- that is, each of

those two models I've mentioned -- that can be

associated with each trajectory calculated for the

Each has a

10

ensemble.

11

with respect to points on the ground, or specific

12

points on the ground can be analyzed with respect to

13

the ensemble output.

14

Either ensemble itself can be analyzed

For instance, if you saw that Figure 61 in

15

the environmental impact analysis -- I think that's

16

where it was -- where they did the back trajectories

17

from Telluride to show where the origins were,

18

unfortunately, they didn't do it for Norwood.

19

I'd really appreciate it if you would.

20

has about 2,000 people on it.

21

And

Wrights Mesa

So let me repeat again just to catch up.

22

Either the ensemble itself can be analyzed with

23

respect to points on the ground, or specific points

24

on the ground can be analyzed with respect to the

25

ensemble output.

I plan to look for more recent

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particle-following -- and these are, in my world,

called LaGrangian -- ensemble oriented models that

would release millions of particles and follow their

trajectories.

computers make this approach more possible than

impossible.

Once impossible, new generations of

Let's go over to how the models were used.

From the documents I've read -- and it's a confusing

lot that I'll get to in a minute -- in my opinion, I

10

don't think the modeling for MILDOS and AERMOD were

11

used in a manner that would provide an independent

12

reviewer with enough information to make a reasonable

13

decision regarding mitigation or repair of damage due

14

to air dispersion.

15

models were run with monthly average data that used

16

that output to assess a monthly average of emissions

17

or dispersion.

18

information to properly assess the damage or

19

potential.

20

monthly average have large variability which is not

21

taken into account or discussed.

22

or 33-foot meteorological tower as Site 1, I was able

23

to analyze the variability of wind over the candidate

24

year, 2008 and 2009, which may or may not have been

25

normal or near normal.

Here's why.

It appears that the

This does not provide enough

That is because the winds used for the

From the 10-meter

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Since I live here, I was aware of the

violent windstorms and events that accompany the

spring and fall seasonal transitions.

a windstorm to be a sequence of wind observations,

the 15-minute and hourly average, that were provided

to me that exceed the 9 meter per second -- which

translates to about 20.3 miles per hour -- threshold

of lofting of desert sand material characteristics of

the Paradox Valley floor.

And I defined

I have no other

10

information about the density of the material and the

11

tailings, but I'm sure that it's very easy to look at

12

that, the size and density of the materials and

13

tailings, and adjust that threshold accordingly.

14

And I defined a wind event -- I'm sorry.

15

It was late that night.

16

windstorm.

17

9 meter per second threshold for a period of greater

18

than three hours.

19

threshold for more than an hour but less than three

20

hours.

21

Let me go back to the

A windstorm is when the wind exceeds that

And a wind event is exceeding that

I used the 10-meter height as more

22

representative of surface conditions for tailings

23

areas and evaporation ponds to potential sources of

24

emissions and dispersion.

25

I do not know what the size and density of tailings

I used desert sand because

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material is.

taken into account.

threshold information from the NCAR/UCAR COMET Web

site.

of atmospheric science.

not local.

condition.

8
9

However, as I said before, that can be


And I obtained this lofting

It's a highly respected resource in the field


In general, windstorms are

They're part of a regional meteorological

And for everybody as they look at this


document, I have given you in Table 1 the

10

correspondence between meters per second, which we

11

should be using in the United States, and miles per

12

hour, which unfortunately we still do.

13

us and Uganda are the only two nations on the planet

14

that are using this English system now.

15

I think just

It's important to note -- and I emphasize

16

in these discussions -- that the pressure of the wind

17

on a flat surface facing the wind is proportional to

18

the cube of the wind speed.

19

per second wind has eight times the pressure of a

20

1 meter per second wind.

21

taking this into account.

22

As an example, a 2 meter

I hope the engineers are

I should also note that during the summer,

23

the mill site is often subject to violent

24

thunderstorms forced by the nearby La Sal mountain

25

range and their accompanying high winds.

These winds

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are not always accompanied by rain, which would limit

the dispersion of the material.

speed analysis as my exhibit -- I don't know how

really technically to do this because I've already

got exhibits in.

guess if it's in this document, it's already there.

7
8

I put it in as an exhibit, but I

HEARING OFFICER:

I'm going to mark this

as Exhibit 2.

(Grossman Exhibit 2 admitted.)

10

DR. GROSSMAN:

11

HEARING OFFICER:

12

I provide the wind

And it's got the analysis.


It's all in the record

so you don't need to offer it again.

13

DR. GROSSMAN:

Okay.

Let me just show you

14

what I've done as I'm talking.

15

took a frequency distribution of all these -- the

16

whole year of wind speed.

17

HEARING OFFICER:

18

second.

19

everybody right now?

What I did was, I

Let me interrupt for a

Do you have the capability to E-mail this to

20

DR. GROSSMAN:

Yeah.

21

HEARING OFFICER:

Why don't you do that.

22

Let's take 10 minutes and do that, and then everybody

23

can be looking at it at the same time.

24

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Where we took the break was

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as I was about to discuss what you see in front of

you now as Figure 2.

XL under the conditions because I only was able to do

this during this hearing.

hourly average winds, which would show a slightly

different distribution, same character of the

distribution but obviously different magnitudes, the

specific difference being that the speeds of the

hourly wind will be generally lower than the speeds

It's the best I could do with

And in one case the one

10

of the 15-minute wind.

11

generally in the world of averaging.

12

And that's just what happens

I was not able to -- I had Figure 1.

13

That's the hourly.

14

here one day, it just disappeared on me.

15

haven't had time -- because the judge here has just

16

had us on this treadmill, I haven't had time to

17

replace that figure, and I'll supply it later.

18

And if you saw me struggling up


And I

But generally the character of that, like

19

I said, is the same as in Figure 2 but with lower

20

winds.

21

distribution, you see what my problem is immediately.

22

The average, which I should have put in here, is just

23

a little above 2 meters per second.

24

in the world of lofting, over the year 4 percent of

25

the time for 15 minutes at about the same -- a little

But when you look at the frequency

But we see that

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bit less for the hourly, the winds are high enough to

loft things off of the ground.

will do with the tailings pile that's set up in the

wind or at least 20 percent of it, sitting up in the

wind.

I don't know what it

That's 1400 times, 1400 15-minute periods

over the year where lofting could occur, about two

weeks of it.

now, these are what the average wind is.

And you can see that in 15 minutes --

10

gusts inside of that.

11

that 15-minute average.

12

up to 16 meters per second.

13

about 35 miles an hour for 15 minutes.

14

There are

There's variability inside of


The range goes all the way
Let's go back.

Let's look at Figure 3.

That's

Now, inside of

15

the hourly data, which was so kindly supplied to me

16

by Kleinfelder, they list the maximum gust within

17

that hour.

18

meteorological literature -- it varies, but it's on

19

the order of a 20-second average.

20

this variability in the wind, and then they pick out

21

this 20-second -- the 20-second average that's the

22

highest, and that's the gust.

23

Now, a gust is defined in the

So you have all

And we see that the frequency distribution

24

has pretty much the same character.

And we also see

25

that about almost 9 percent of the gusts in the

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hourly time series exceeded the lofting threshold of

desert sand.

these gusts above 9 meters per second.

something else that's been talked about in

discussions of disasters and so forth recently.

you look at the way -- the character of that curve,

it looks like just right after that black line, which

is the threshold for the lofting of desert sand at

9 meters per second or close to it -- the dang thing

This is about 49 hours or two days of

10

moved on me.

11

9-meter-per-second line.

You'll see

If

It should be over there on the

12

And that's called a fat tail.

13

words, there's a departure from the way that curve

14

was headed, generally in the 10 to 20 mile per hour.

15

It even goes out almost to 25 if I blew it up, where

16

it just -- it departs from a mathematical description

17

of this type of distribution.

That shows that it's

18

an enhanced capability there.

But the figures show

19

that the dust storms and these excessive winds --

20

which I call "excessive" in the sense that they

21

exceed the threshold for the lofting -- these are

22

statistically significant.

23

In other

There's a small section in the -- and I've

24

mentioned that the 15-minute winds showed about

25

4 percent of the time above the lofting.

The maximum

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20-second average gust showed a higher value at about

9.

I'm sorry -- that 26 meters per second as a gust is

up there, around 60 miles an hour.

10 meters.

know.

But there's a small section in the EIA as part of the

section on catastrophic emergency conditions and the

response that refers to high wind events.

But I also want to point out on Figure 2 -- 3 --

That's at

The wind increases with height.

How high are those tailings?

I don't

I don't know.

It

10

appeared that this was in response to probably a

11

discussion that I provided, but probably others, as

12

well.

13

I note that this section completely

14

disregards the obvious analysis that I've provided

15

you-all above and focuses on tornadoes.

16

think a destructive tornado has ever been reported in

17

or around Paradox Valley.

18

out here, very hard for a tornado to form.

19

principal destructive wind event in this area are

20

these windstorms, these dust storms.

21

have been looked at and weren't.

22

their consultant going over to tornadoes, which are

23

obviously, it can be said, to be a low probability in

24

this area.

25

I don't

It's very complex terrain


The

They should

And here we got

However, when I read that, it turned on a

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little lightbulb.

Glider pilots and casual observers

note the presence of strong dust devils in Paradox

Valley.

because of the mixture of dry land and irrigated

fields that are here.

Valley and seen these things, and they'll loft dust

up several thousand feet.

could have testified that they probably fly up to

10,000, 12,000 feet on these things.

They use them for flying.

This is probably

But I've been out in Paradox

We have glider pilots that

Sometimes you

10

see birds way, way up, just a little speck in the

11

sky, and they're flying in these.

12

These dust devils can loft material above

13

the planetary boundary level even in the calm wind

14

conditions, and that's when they generally occur.

15

And then they can be transported anywhere via the

16

upper level winds.

17

ground when one of these little things comes through,

18

it's impressive.

19

40 miles an hour just briefly, that one of these dust

20

devils go by.

21

And if you've ever been on the

That wind goes up to 20, 30,

That hasn't been taken into account.

So what I went out and did was, with this

22

one year of data, I culled it to those times when the

23

hourly winds average met the exceedance criteria and

24

just looked at those instances, those events.

25

Remember, that's greater than three hours.

The wind

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directions associated with these wind speeds are

between 170 and 270 degrees true.

southwest.

strong winds can be also associated with winds

between 270 and 360.

going to provide you Figures 4 through 6 which show

some of the frequency distributions of winds during

these 29 cases I found.

24 dust storms.

That's south to

However, as we all know, during winter

That's west to north.

And I'm

The 29 cases were made up of

That's events lasting greater than

10

three hours and four events.

11

than three hours.

12

which these dust storms occurred ranged between four

13

to six hours and up to 36 hours.

14

That was incidents less

The range of time interval over

In here you see the distribution of winds

15

for the 15-minute wind average, which is applicable

16

in this case.

17

storms, and then I went to the 15-minute to get a

18

little bit of detail on how these storms operate.

19

And you see that in the 15-minute average wind

20

speeds, they vary between 10 and 14 meters per

21

second.

22

second's about 30 miles an hour for 15 minutes.

23

you can see that there's probably -- of that 29,

24

roughly seven of those cases were in that 30- to

25

35-mile-an-hour wind.

I used the hourly to cull out the

Let's go back to that table.

14 meters per
And

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Let's look at the hour.

Now, as I said,

the hourly average is lower, but it lasts over a

longer period of time.

and -- you see zero for 9.

exceedance criteria, and I had to plot it.

you've even got cases out there for an hour now at

close to 30, 35 miles an hour.

the gusts.

range between -- let's go back to that table -- 35 up

And they range between 9


That was just my
But

Then we go over to

Look at those gusts.

Those gusts, they

10

to 60 miles an hour with most of them occurring in

11

the 40- to 50-mile-an-hour range.

12

you can even work in those kinds of conditions.

13

sure can't.

14

zero in those kinds of conditions if you're out on

15

the landscape.

16

I don't know if
I

The romance of cowboy drops to almost

These analyses show large wind variability

17

at the site which was not reported or quantified in

18

the EIA or the accompanying documents.

19

folks out here know this by experience, and I've just

20

quantified it with a year of data.

21

nearly calm or blowing like hell out here.

22

monthly average contains that variability but masks

23

it.

24

this case, which you-all can see, the vast majority

25

of hourly wind speeds are low.

Most of the

It is either
The

Because as shown by Figure 1 or Figure 2, in

However, a

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statistically significant number of occurrences are

capable of causing serious damage at the site in

powerful dispersion of emission events.

not taken into account in the models.

One other thing.

These are

When you go back to

Figure 2, as a surrogate of Figure 1 and 2, you see

that there's an awful lot of lower wind speeds.

they'll have an effect on this area, as well, because

even during the daytime during high pressure

And

10

conditions, which we'll see in the next couple of

11

days, or at night, powerful inversions can form in

12

the Paradox Valley that will contain a lot of the

13

effluents from this mill.

14

the valley's blocked at the east end and blocked at

15

the West End.

16

When the winds are low,

It's going to fill up.

So these people in Nucla and Naturita,

17

even if you don't go into the mines, even if you

18

don't work at the mill, you're going to be affected.

19

Your visual appreciation of the La Sal Mountains are

20

going to go to nothing during some of these events,

21

and the quality of life in this area is going to go

22

down.

23

To follow up on the discussion of these

24

frequency distributions and my assessment of the

25

models from what I could get from the available

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literature and the time I had available to me, it is

my opinion that the emissions and air dispersion

modeling to date for the Pinon Ridge uranium mill

license and permit applications with respect to air

dispersion and emissions of radionuclides is not

sufficient for a reasonable assessment of the

situation at the mill site with respect to daily

operations, downwind effects, and dispersion emission

during accidents.

Recalling that wind pressure

10

increases with the cube of the wind speed, it appears

11

to me that this kind of detailed wind information was

12

not used in the assessment of accidents that might

13

occur at the mill site.

14

dust storms lasted about 36 hours.

15

well tied down and protected from dust during times

16

like that.

17

I might note that one of the


Things better be

Apparently due to the concern of citizens

18

downstream from the mill, an analysis was performed

19

by APCD -- that's the Air Pollution Control

20

Division -- using NOAA's HySplit back trajectory

21

program to show that for 21 dust events -- pretty

22

close to my estimate, 29 -- outlined in the recent

23

literature, the originating points that would affect

24

the Telluride Basin may originate southwest of

25

Telluride, while the mill is northwest of Telluride.

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For this citizen, that is not enough evidence to

dismiss the effect.

HySplit runs were provided.

Furthermore, no details of the

I might note the Town of Norwood lies

directly in line with the mill site for southwest

winds.

mill site as an origin and did forward trajectories,

I see a lot of trajectories flowing right over my

house.

And I've seen HySplit runs.

I know where it is.

If they used the

It's right at a junction

10

of the San Miguel and Norwood County lines in a very

11

special little way so I can find out exactly where my

12

house is just by looking at the county map outline.

13

And there they were.

14

As I said in earlier testimony, I can see

15

the Paradox Valley from my front yard.

And I note

16

that Norwood has a surface water system that serves

17

the town.

18

accumulation of radioactive dust will affect areas

19

downstream whether populated with humans or wildlife.

20

And that needs more study.

21

unreferenced effort to model PM10 dispersion during a

22

high wind event by the CDPHE, Air Pollution Control

23

Division, using AERMOD with a BREEZE module, which

24

was not described or referenced in the EIA, suggests

25

that ambient dust during a storm far exceeds that

At any rate, the potential deposition and

Additionally, an

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produced in a worst case scenario at the mill.

I mentioned in the cross-examination of

Mr. Filas that in that study the 39-mile-per-hour

threshold used for Pinon Ridge wind rose as part of

that analysis to twice the 20.3 mile per hour

threshold for lofting desert sand; not exactly twice,

but real close.

Mr. Filas yesterday.

why this larger threshold was used.

It's not clear -- that's why I asked


It's not clear to this citizen
To my knowledge,

10

there's little to no research on the interaction of

11

dust with radionuclides.

12

pathogens catch rides on dust particles so this

13

citizen's concern -- or at least this citizen's

14

concern is not increased dust amounts from the mill

15

but radioactive dust in the mix accumulating over

16

time.

17

It is well known that

Citizens are not now in a position to

18

review the APCD work for relevance.

The summary

19

section of the APCD review states that "the

20

application, ER, and subsequent reports," unnamed or

21

referenced, "adequately address meteorology and

22

climate relative to the project and are acceptable."

23

And that's in quotes.

24

believe this is true and note that the discussion

25

focused mainly on the Telluride Basin at the neglect

In my opinion, I do not

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of Norwood and other towns downstream from the mill,

including Nucla and Naturita.

There's a further problem with the models

used.

They do not account for dust already in the

air at the time they were run.

sandblasting effect.

clear

dust storm the air is full of dust from upstream

locations, and that dust can sandblast or scavenge

Let's call that the

This cannot be assumed to be

at the outset of these models because during a

10

material at the mill site, producing more dispersion

11

than if the impinging air stream were clear of dust.

12

This is simple high school physics' transfer of

13

momentum like a pool ball hit.

14

this is a very difficult modeling problem in reality.

15

It's one of those that's easy to say, hard to do.

16

I might note that

I recommend the following for both

17

emissions and dispersion modeling.

Use 15-minute

18

average winds for the surface wind values throughout

19

the month or at least hourly winds and accumulate

20

monthly statistics including the mean, the median,

21

variance, skewness, and kurtosis.

22

adequately describe the frequency distribution for

23

use in risk analysis and for engineering use.

24

recommend a monitoring program that would estimate

25

dust loading upstream from the site, at the site, and

These will

I also

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immediately downstream of the site to assess the

effect of scavenging dust on in situ surface

material.

of dust captured at the downwind site.

And if possible, assess the radioactivity

I'll now switch my remarks to cumulative

effects.

Cumulative effects have been discussed a

good bit in these hearings.

time and space effects of the mill; time in that

radioactivity, because of the long path life of these

They refer mostly to the

10

materials, can accumulate in the landscape.

11

in time; but also in space because the mill is

12

supplied by ore trucks that come from all over and

13

have the potential, if this thing gets going and the

14

price of uranium goes to $250 a ton, or whatever the

15

heck it is, the unit, why, these people will be

16

pulling in ore from wherever they can get it, maybe

17

even Wyoming, Nevada.

18

the cumulative effects.

19

it's mostly the West End, north and south.

20

other testimony I outlined the counties that might be

21

involved.

22

That's

So there's a spatial side to


But for present purposes,
And in my

I want to focus on the state.


In my prior testimony I discussed the

23

effect the mill would have on the region which I've

24

roughly define as the area of the mill, the mine

25

supplying it, and the transport routes that feed into

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the two approaches to the mill site.

Utah, coming in through the La Sal junction via

Highway 90, a very treacherous road, and Colorado via

Gateway or Naturita along Scenic Byway 141.

whether the Department of Transport will remove the

scenic byway designation because of the increased

truck traffic that would make portions of 141

dangerous.

not going to like it.

10

These are from

I wonder

Those summertime motorcycle riders are

The dispersion and emissions models have

11

not accounted for fugitive dust from the mines,

12

traffic on unpaved, secondary roads from mine to

13

mill, and additional emissions from over 200 trucks

14

for 10 to 24 hours a day that will service the mine

15

350 days a year.

16

exceed that produced by the mill alone and should be

17

taken into account in a quantifiable way in the

18

environmental impact analysis.

19

dismissed.

The dust burden would probably

It cannot be

And I emphasize that.

20

Regional dust effects are important

21

because mining is not the only activity in the

22

region.

23

uranium booms, the area has become known for its

24

remote beauty and has attracted vacationers,

25

permanent retirees, second homeowners like myself, as

Over the years, since the '50s and '80s

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well as the folks who support them.

Except for the

vicious dust storms, one of the most attractive

aspects of this region is the great distances you can

see.

to what extent the Pinon Ridge mill and its suppliers

will degrade the visual aspects we so enjoy out here.

This should be a requirement for the licensing and

permitting and, as we know over the years, has been a

big problem for the Grand Canyon, the degradation of

And I emphasize that the public needs to know

10

visibility.

11

graduate student back in the '60s because they were

12

attacking that problem for the first time.

13

I remember those reports when I was a

Now I want to turn to fire and wind.

In

14

my previous testimony I brought up a problem not

15

assessed in the EIA or other licensing/permitting

16

documents of the effect of extreme windstorms on a

17

fire at the mill which is proposed to operate over a

18

40-year period, which would enhance the probability

19

of such a disaster.

20

forest fire fighting and research, including

21

sophisticated atmospheric models, that wind

22

exacerbates a forest fire or fires in general.

23

enhancement of an existing fire by wind is no

24

different for a building or other type of fire that

25

might occur at the mill during operations.

It is well known from decades of

This

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My analysis of winds for the year 4-2008

to 4-2009 reveal a major windstorm lasting almost

36 hours with peak wind gusts in the 50-mile-an-hour

range and sustained winds greater than 20 miles an

hour.

night, with such excessive wind pressure on buildings

and loose material, these windstorms are looking for

an accident, including fire.

fight a fire or an emissions release, especially if

Shorter storms can occur at any time day or

It is very hard to

10

it is a chemical or fuel fire, during these

11

conditions.

12

that special emission and dispersion model runs be

13

made for such conditions using actual data so that

14

the mill operators, governments, and the general

15

public would know roughly what the outcome of such an

16

incident might be.

17

that the outcome would be disastrous for a large

18

region around the mill and should be taken into

19

account in the licensing and permitting process.

20

rough response plan should be considered.

21

Engineering due diligence would suggest

There's no doubt in my opinion

I want to go over to transportation.

22

found this astounding statement in the EIA, quote:

23

According to CDOT -- that's the Colorado Department

24

of Transport -- traffic in the region is sparse, and

25

even the estimated increased traffic associated with

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the mill does not represent a large amount of

traffic, unquote.

The air dispersion report sites a maximum

of 220 vehicles per day during a 500-ton-per-day

operation entering and leaving the minimum.

Apparently this estimate does not include water

trucks needed if or when wells on the site fall below

production limits.

increase from this operation's number during the

Other reports speak of an

10

construction phase.

11

traffic increase estimates throughout the various

12

documents -- for instance, the emissions pathway

13

report -- each different than the others, but all

14

showing substantial increase in traffic.

15

that there's not a large amount of traffic on two

16

access roads into the mill is just not correct.

17

In fact, there's several other

So to state

Based on the 220-a-day number, I calculate

18

a truck entering the mill every 20 minutes for a

19

10-hour period and six minutes if extended to a

20

24-hour operation.

21

transportation affairs, as I do with the atmosphere,

22

it's obvious to this citizen based on common sense

23

that traffic will have a large regional impact that

24

is not accounted for in the mill licensing or

25

permitting process.

While I do not claim expertise in

Especially important would be

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the assessment of the increase in accidents among

cars, trucks, horseback riders, and wildlife.

forgot our wonderful motorcycle guys.

stop in Norwood more.

And I

I wish they'd

Ore and supply trucks carrying toxic

materials will be subject to accidents that will be

difficult to respond to because of the remote and

unforgiving character of the regional roads, many

with deep gullies, streams, and rivers close by.

10

Pulling a toxic material laden truck from such a

11

situation will be difficult and time-consuming,

12

especially during extreme winter conditions, violent

13

thunderstorms, and the seasonal dust storms.

14

this citizen's opinion that a 24/7 emergency response

15

crew be stationed at the mill for immediate and

16

professional response to road accidents involving

17

toxic spills.

18

setting is just flat unacceptable.

19

not be available.

20

And they may or may not be up to the job.

It is

To rely on volunteer people in a rural


They may or may

They may or may not be trained.

21

You pull a guy off of a branding operation

22

where he's been working his tail off all day long and

23

then go out there and ask him to pull a truck out of

24

a 50-foot-deep gully, that's asking an awful lot.

25

However, this 24/7 response crew idea does appear to

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be suggested in the EIA, and that's good to see.

Estimates of response time to various dangerous

areas -- and you can look at the vulnerability.

out and look on these roads and see where you would

probably expect to see an accident -- should be

available.

and state patrol for emergency response to a mill

associated increase in traffic is unacceptable unless

you beef those forces up to match the conditions.

10

Go

Relying upon the local sheriff, EMT, fire

I'm just about at the end, but this for me

11

is pretty important, and it has to do with the

12

permitting process.

13

proceedings and prior to the proceedings a lot of

14

confusion about how this process is going on, who's

15

in charge, what's necessary, and so forth.

16

even confusion at the outset when Energy Fuels went

17

first to CDPHE.

18

in this process is as sincere as the day is long.

19

They've worked hard.

20

they could do as best they could do.

21

process has not been considered for over 30 years --

22

or about 30 years, from what I hear.

23

there are framework documents such as the NRC

24

documents and the NEPA documents that give guidance

25

to how this is done.

I've noted through these

There was

I do believe that everybody involved

They've done what they thought


However, this

And I know that

But I find that after several

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attempts at trying to get comprehensive information

on the process and the various licenses and permits

involved, this citizen found that the description of

the process was very confusing.

help with hyperlinks to the essential documents.

6
7
8
9

HEARING OFFICER:

A flow chart would

Keep talking.

I'm going

to get coffee.
DR. GROSSMAN:

These documents were not

subject to independent, professional peer review from

10

several reviewers for each section, as I have done

11

cursorily -- and I emphasize cursorily -- for

12

meteorology, climate and dispersion modeling in my

13

area of expertise.

14

submitted was done under time pressure and difficult

15

document access and copying.

16

better document availability, the data in a format

17

amenable to analysis, my critique would be more

18

detailed and extensive.

19

under difficult circumstances.

20

emphasize -- and it's been brought out more than once

21

here, and I guess we'll have some modicum of it as

22

other witnesses come on the stand later on -- we

23

should have reviews; independent peer reviews like we

24

do in science of these documents.

25

that that was done.

I might add that my review that I

Had I more time and

This is the best I could do


But I want to

And I don't see

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Since the permitting process for a uranium

mill has not been addressed for almost 30 years, I'm

surprised at the apparent ad hoc nature of this

process.

such as the Department of Transport, Department of

Wildlife -- or its new name -- Department of Natural

Resources, for example, have had little to do with

licensing or permitting, the application being

relegated to unreferenced authors, their credentials

It appears that important state agencies

10

unknown, paragraphs or short sections in the

11

environmental analysis report -- or the environmental

12

impact analysis.

13

To this citizen, this is unacceptable.

14

Mill operations affect far more aspects of life than

15

emissions, dispersion, waste disposal, and

16

groundwater immediately at the mill.

17

and this is based on my experience as being involved

18

in large and complex international expeditions to

19

explore the atmosphere that involved several USA

20

agencies and a lot of universities and federal

21

laboratories, very complex things -- and I'll give

22

you an idea of how we did it in this context.

23

recommend that the permitting of these kinds of

24

operations such as a uranium mill that involve multi

25

agencies and affect many aspects of life, that the

I recommend --

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permitting of these operations be managed by the

governor's office.

The governor is the head of the executive

branch.

These departments rest within that

bureaucracy, and he runs it.

convene a representation from state departments

relative to the permit, and a coherent permitting

process be determined with final authority lying with

the governor after reviewing recommendations from the

The governor could

10

agencies involved.

11

to apply for a uranium mill permit would have a clear

12

idea as to what is necessary.

13

process seems overly complex, incoherent, and opaque.

14

The fact that a legal action is necessary to sort it

15

out is evidence that my assertion is correct.

16

This way a business that wanted

As it stands, this

It also appears to this citizen that CDPHE

17

has a pretty close relationship with the permit

18

applicant but an adversarial one with groups

19

interested in being involved in the process.

20

that?

21

back and forth between the permitter and permitee is

22

necessary.

23

equal back-and-forth with other established public

24

interest groups by inviting them to the table,

25

similar to the invitation proffered to the permitee?

Why is

In the hearing so far, the explanation is that

And I agree with that.

But why not an

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There could even be organizational meetings to sort

out differences or bring them out with all parties at

the table for discussion.

cheaper and more friendly.

5
6

For one thing, it's a lot

HEARING OFFICER:

Thank you.
How do we want to do

cross?

MR. SPAANSTRA:

HEARING OFFICER:

9
10

I'll start.
Okay.

CROSS-EXAMINATION
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Dr. Grossman, good morning.

12

Good morning.

13

I was thinking it felt a little bit like

14

Groundhog Day today, but this will be the last one.

15

The first thing I want to say for the

16

record is, I want to congratulate you for getting

17

involved as a citizen.

18

the process the middle of August, and clearly you've

19

done a lot of thinking and analysis.

20

inspiring to see a citizen just getting involved, and

21

thank you for that.

22

I believe that you entered

And it's

Also because, as the kids say, I want to

23

give her some props on the record, I want to ask you

24

a question.

25

helpful in getting you connected with Kleinfelder?

You said that Faegre Baker Daniels was

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That's correct.

And it was Caroline Lee of our office, was

it not?

She's amazing.

Amazing?

I've seen you guys -- I think she's

amazing.

jumps right on things.

I think you guys think she's amazing.

Okay.

10
11

She

I'll move on from that.

Dr. Grossman, you were here, I believe,


when Dr. Little testified?

12

That's correct.

13

If you recall -- and I'm going to talk a

14

little bit about a dispersion model in a second.

15

Sure.

16

You recall that he testified that the

17

MILDOS model, which was used to document or model

18

radioactivity dispersion, was developed by the

19

Nuclear Regulatory Commission through one of the

20

national labs, correct?

21

That's correct; Argonne National

22

Laboratory.

23

And you also heard -- thank you for adding

24

that.

I was looking in my notes.

I couldn't

25

remember that, the Argonne National Lab.

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He also indicated that the MILDOS model is

required by the NRC for radioactive mill licensing

activities as well as by the CDPHE; is that correct?

That's the way I understood it.

Okay.

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7

MR. STILLS:

Your Honor.

MR. SPAANSTRA:

HEARING OFFICER:

It's just his --

I'll take it as this

witness' opinion.

12

MR. STILLS:

13

MR. SPAANSTRA:

14

If I may, I'd

I wasn't asking, Your

Honor, for a legal conclusion.

10
11

And you agree that --

object to asking the witness for a legal conclusion.

8
9

Great.

Okay.
Great.

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

In terms of AERMOD,

15

you heard his testimony, as well as, I believe,

16

Mr. Tarlton's testimony, that that model is used in

17

the context of the Air Pollution Control Division's

18

air permitting process, correct?

19

That's correct.

That seems to be a

20

requirement as far as I can see from the documents

21

I've read, that this is the model that they use for

22

their assessment in the air control -- air pollution

23

control.

24
25

And this hearing isn't about that permit?

It's about the radioactive -- the mill license?

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That's the way I understand it now.

I was

confused at the beginning.

it now is that this is a separate permitting process.

And that is one of my observations about the

complexity of this.

But the way I understand

I think I'll move on, then, to talking

about the -- in your testimony you mentioned that it

was hard to figure out the, you know, who's on first

in terms of the permitting in the state?

10

Uh-huh.

11

I assume that in your preparation you did

12
13

look at the state's EIA?


A

Yes, I did, as much as I could.

It was

14

presented to me late in the game, and it's 184 pages.

15

So I had to go to specific sections of that, and I

16

could have possibly missed some of what we mutually

17

may consider important sections.

18

at the air, the atmospheric side of that report, and

19

the transportation side of that report.

20

my two.

21

But I looked first

Those were

So given your concerns, you probably

22

missed in the introduction on Page 3 the chart of

23

about half a dozen state agencies that were involved?

24
25

Actually, I saw that.

But when it came

down to the actual -- where did they come into this

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process other than supplying some information for the

EIA -- which I understand Mr. Tarlton used in his

final determination.

forth -- there was no, Here's my section, stick it

in.

But yes, there were several different agencies that

they contacted for the EIA.

up in the permitting process was my problem, other

than supplying information for this EIA.

10

He took it from notes and so

He was an editor, and he put it into context.

But where did that end

Actually, that chart on Page 3 describes

11

the various permits that those agencies issued.

12

you ought to take a look at that.

So

13

Okay.

I will.

14

It might help with the confusion.

15

Okay.

16

In discussing transportation -- and we're

Thank you.

17

going to get to that issue a little bit later when we

18

look at the settlement agreement with Telluride and

19

San Miguel County.

20

you're saying of the documents, in Volume 14 of the

21

application -- which you can find on a link under

22

transportation on the CDPHE Web site for this mill --

23

in fact, the Colorado Department of Transportation in

24

the context of their permanent access permit had a

25

detailed traffic study that addresses many of the

But in your review, from what

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issues you raised.

May I respond to you on that?

Sure.

I looked at that.

And the traffic study

that they used, they pulled traffic estimates from

some operation that was hundreds of miles away from

here and I don't think adequately described what was

going on in Paradox Valley.

I've gone through Paradox Valley a lot, and I never

When I went out to --

10

saw any traffic counters out there.

I don't think

11

they really know what the traffic situation is out

12

there.

13

traffic study and tried to apply them to Paradox

14

Valley.

But they used some other estimates in that

That's the way I understood it.

15

So since you did look at it --

16

I was able to look -- that had to do with

17

the access.

18

Right.

19

That was some time ago, I might mention.

20

This was probably a year or so ago when I looked at

21

that for a Department of Energy PiES response.

22

I'm glad you mentioned DOE because you

23

expressed concern about maybe the transportation from

24

feeder mines would exacerbate this issue.

25

Yes.

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But since you saw it, you know that in

their analysis they did analyze the effect of the DOE

leasing program, correct?

Whose analysis?

In the DOT analysis that you said you

looked at.

that the DOE leasing program.

8
9

Okay.

They include in

I'll go along with what you said.

I don't remember that that was in what I read.

10
11

They do analyze that.

HEARING OFFICER:

Can I ask one of you

where this is, this traffic study is in the record?

12

MR. SPAANSTRA:

It's in Volume 14.

13

will, on a break, get the actual disk cite.

14

have it.

15
16

HEARING OFFICER:

We
I don't

That's good enough.

I'll find it.

17

MR. SPAANSTRA:

And Your Honor, on CDPHE's

18

Web site there is a -- the drop down list for the

19

license application has a link for transportation.

20

And that and some other things are at that link.

21
22
23

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

Thank you on that,

Dr. Grossman.
Let's look at weather modeling a second.

24

You commented that you weren't particularly happy

25

with the two on-site weather stations.

And I

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think -- I want to make sure I heard you right -- you

also recognize in the weather data in the application

related to the tailings cell design report that

Energy Fuels did consult several decades of records

from half a dozen weather stations around Western

Colorado in putting that together.

If they did -- is that a question?

You did see that they did that?

No, I didn't.

Because I could not

10

determine -- as far as I could see in the documents

11

that I could find, they did look at co-op stations.

12

I heard co-op stations.

13

run a weather station that is occasionally checked by

14

the Grand Junction office.

15

co-op network that NOAA relies on, they generally

16

report temperature and precipitation.

17

report wind.

18

That's private citizens who

If they are part of the

They don't

I did note, though, that the specific

19

stations at Nucla and Uravan were referred to.

20

Uravan only reports temperature and precipitation.

21

And I believe because it's an airport that Nucla

22

reported, as well, wind.

23

the wind, and they did it in a very cursory way so

24

that private citizens like myself -- and I emphasize

25

I am a private citizen.

And they tried to analyze

I do not represent

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anybody -- that those analyses were not provided to

the public so that we could look at them.

do want to disagree with you that the only --

However, I

Actually, at this point I'm asking the

questions.

Okay.

That's okay.

Keep me honest here.

So we will also at the break, just for

Sorry.

10

your edification, get you where in the record these

11

reports that I'm describing are so you can look at

12

them.

13

I'd be very interested in that.

14

very much.

15

16

of dust --

17

You bet.

Thank you

Excuse me.

On the issue of wind dispersion

May I comment -- because you

18

brought it up -- on the statement you made that I was

19

not happy with the instrumentation at the mill site?

20

That's not correct.

21

record.

22

at it -- and I think my first intimation that there

23

was a mill application in my life was driving off to

24

a canyon walk and seeing a really nice meteorological

25

station in the middle of Paradox Valley.

I'm not happy with the length of

The instrumentation, as far as I could look

And I

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wanted to know what the heck that was and where could

I get the data.

3
4

I appreciate that, and I'm glad you raised

I wasn't able to look at the hundred-meter

it.

5
6

site.

the road, my experienced eye could tell you that that

was a good station and an expensive one.

But since the 10-meter site is right next to

Thank you for saying that.

And my intent

10

in asking that question also was to inform you that

11

there was a detailed report that incorporated data

12

over decades from these various stations.

13

going to take a look at that?

And you're

14

If I can.

15

But let's move on to the wind dispersion

16

from the tailings cells.

17

said that -- I believe I heard you say that you had

18

looked at the tailings cell design report and the

19

weather stuff associated with it, maybe hadn't looked

20

at it in great detail?

21

I think from what you just

Pretty much the only thing that I've

22

really looked at with respect to tailings is what has

23

been presented in this hearing and the fact that

24

there's been a great discussion of the tailings cells

25

and all aspects of it, leakage and that stuff.

But

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my idea was to look at the design.

was that 20 percent of it is going to be above grade.

And that's, for my money, what I have to be concerned

about as an atmospheric scientist.

And all I noted

In that regard, I don't know if you

noticed that a big chunk of the tailings will be

underwater and that the remainder of it will be

essentially saturated to mitigate, minimize, the

potential for wind erosion.

10

The way I understand it, that is correct.

11

And I agree with you that that would greatly minimize

12

any dispersion from the tailings cells while they are

13

saturated and while they're underwater.

14

understand is that in the reclamation phase or

15

whatever phase when they start decommissioning these

16

tailings cells that they dewater them, or if the --

17

what I've understood from these hearings is that

18

water is a big limitation here.

19

drought -- we are currently in a severe drought.

20

it gets worse, then they may not have the water to

21

saturate those.

22

What I also

And if a severe
If

So I think from the engineering side of

23

this, when you look at all possibilities, that that

24

possibility is there.

25

and I think that's what the engineering staff should

And that's what I focused on,

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be focusing on.
Q

So let me see if it's fair to say that

what you just testified to is that during operations

if, in fact, they're underwater and they're

saturated, you testified that that would materially

mitigate the dispersion issue and --

That would --

Let me finish the question -- and the

concern was during reclamation.

My question is,

10

would it also help you to know that during

11

mitigation, reclamation, the reclamation plan,

12

there's considerable effort to control dust in that

13

situation?

14

I hope so.

15

Good.

You were here -- well, of course

16

you were here this morning when Olivia was walking

17

Frank through the settlement agreement with

18

Telluride?

19

Yes.

20

I'd just like to ask you a few questions

21

related to that because I think it addresses some of

22

your concerns, at least, related to emergency

23

response and the like.

24

hand you a copy of the settlement agreement and just

25

ask you a couple questions related to it.

So what I would like to do is

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Sure.

I'll have to take a look at it

because I only looked at the bullets that were in the

Telluride Daily Planet, and I have not looked at this

complete document.

MR. STILLS:

Your Honor, the witness is

being asked to testify to things he hasn't seen, and

I believe it's outside his direct.

8
9

HEARING OFFICER:

He talked about

transportation issues in his direct.

10

MR. STILLS:

Okay.

That's what a good

11

part of that settlement agreement pertains to, as I

12

understand it.

13
14
15

THE WITNESS:

Mr. Spaanstra, you've

underlined some things in -Q

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

I did because I'm

16

going to ask you questions about those sections.

And

17

I thought it would be helpful so that we wouldn't

18

waste -- not waste -- spend a lot of time having you

19

search through things.

20

Okay.

21

And obviously we'll provide a copy of the

22

marked-up version to Mr. Stills and Mr. Parsons at an

23

appropriate time; well, when we can get a copy, as

24

soon as possible.

25

So if you would, if you could turn to

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Article 1 which deals with the hauling and

transportation of uranium ore, yellowcake, and

reagents, which is a concern of yours that you've

raised.

Uh-huh.

Yes.

And I think it's fair to say, isn't it,

that a concern of yours is having local government

involved in it, in that process, correct?

That's correct.

10

If you'd look at the second paragraph of

11

the settlement agreement -- and I think I've

12

underlined this.

13

that Telluride and San Miguel County will have an

14

independent right to monitor and investigate trucks

15

carrying all of these things: ore, yellowcake, and

16

reagents?

17

The settlement agreement provides

That is correct.

And the way I read that

18

is for those trucks that are transferring materials

19

through San Miguel County.

20

only, and the county, will have independent rights.

21

But that's only -- the way I read this paragraph,

22

it's only the ones that pass through San Miguel

23

County.

24
25

It looks like Telluride

All the rest don't have that ability.


Actually, I think in the days when you and

Judge Dana were going to school, you could get an

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apprenticeship in law.

That's no longer the case.

It does say all trucks.

it just for --

That's not intended to limit

Well, just read this sentence.

It says "all trucks."

For all trucks transporting all this stuff

for Energy Fuels through the county upon

commissioning of the Pinon Ridge facility -- that's

only upon commissioning -- Telluride and the county.

10

That's it.

11

12

right.

13

Not Ophir.

Sorry about that.

You get the apprenticeship award.


It does say that.
All right.

You're

You're right.

So for those going through all

14

the rest of the counties, unless they make separate

15

agreements, that's all we've got.

16
17

Well, actually, that's not all we've got,

but that's what this agreement covers.

18

Travis is going to object pretty quickly.

19

You and I probably shouldn't be having a dialog so

20

we'll go back to asking questions.

21

HEARING OFFICER:

22

23

fault.

24

25

Travis would be right.

I might mention that that's mostly my

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

No, that's okay.

Moving on to Article 2, this is where --

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well, you'll notice that this relates to the --

Article 2 is labeled "Uranium and Vanadium Mine and

Milling Impacts."

located in any other entities including independent

mines, not just operated by Energy Fuels, that the

county and Telluride will have the right to inspect

such facilities to -- I'm reading now, but you're

reading along with me -- to investigate compliance

with any applicable federal or state laws or

And again, it relates to mines

10

regulations.

And so it says any state laws or

11

regulations.

That certainly would include

12

transportation laws, but runs the gamut.

13

you --

14

MR. STILLS:

Would

Your Honor, I'd object.

It

15

sounds like Mr. Spaanstra is testifying, not asking

16

questions.

17
18

HEARING OFFICER:
Q

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

Sustained.
Okay.

Dr. Grossman,

19

let me rephrase.

20

in the middle of the third line -- well, starting

21

with the third line in that section down to the

22

colon, the word "Facilities."

23

Would you just read into the record

Down to the colon, okay.

You want me to

24

start at "For all mines," or where do you want me to

25

start?

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With the word "Facilities."

We've already

described -- in your testimony we described --

to inspect."

"Facilities," okay.

This is after "right

"Facilities to investigate compliance with

any applicable federal or state laws, regulations,

conditions of approval, or standards and any local

San Miguel County laws, regulations, conditions of

approval, or standards as long as such inspections

10
11

meet the following criteria."


Q

So wouldn't you say that the settlement

12

agreement, from your reading of that language, gives

13

San Miguel County and Telluride the independent right

14

to investigate compliance with a whole array of

15

federal state laws and regulations?

16

17
18

I do -MR. STILLS:

Your Honor --

I do for all --

19

HEARING OFFICER:

20

MR. STILLS:

Wait for the objection.

He's asking him to testify to

21

a legal conclusion on what kind of rights it provides

22

San Miguel County.

23
24
25

HEARING OFFICER:

Same ruling.

I'll let

him testify as to his opinion.


A

I'd just point out that you're correct and

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that this requirement applies to all mines located in

San Miguel County operated by Energy Fuels or any

other affiliated operating entity or independent

mines in San Miguel County.

You've underlined that.

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

Thank you.

And I'd just point out that once again, we

are limited to San Miguel County for these kinds of

things and not the other counties unless they make

separate agreements, which complexifies this even

10

more.

11
12

HEARING OFFICER:

15
16

MR. SPAANSTRA:

19

I may withdraw his

apprenticeship JD for making up words, but not yet.


Q

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

You've still got that

apprentice JD.

17
18

You want

to spell that?

13
14

Complexifies?

You'll note to the left of our Article 3


that I've written in the margin "Black Swan."
A

20

Uh-huh.
MR. SPAANSTRA:

And now I'm thinking how

21

I'm going to ask this question to get around another

22

Travis objection.

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MR. STILLS:

And I'm sorry.

24

place in here with the complexifies.

25

are you on?

I lost my
Which paragraph

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MR. SPAANSTRA:

Article 3, "Monitoring

Standards For Water Quality in Eastern San Miguel

County."

4
5

MR. STILLS:
Q

Thank you.

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

I think what I am

going to do is just say, Dr. Grossman, that you ought

to take a look at this in terms of -- you'll see as

you read this --

9
10
11
12

MR. STILLS:

I'm going to object again to

testimony and advice for his further study.


HEARING OFFICER:

I haven't heard the

question yet.

13

MR. STILLS:

Okay.

14

MR. SPAANSTRA:

You know what, Your Honor?

15

I think while I could rephrase, I think we're --

16

we've taken a look at this and gotten his views.

17

further questions, Your Honor.

18

HEARING OFFICER:

19

THE WITNESS:

No

Fair enough.

I thank you for your -- to

20

leap into this document, and I'll be happy to look

21

through it with respect to my testimony.

22

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, I would just

23

note for the record that over the course of the

24

previous five days when I was assisting Dr. Grossman,

25

Mr. Stills didn't object.

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HEARING OFFICER:

Well, that's his option.

We're going to take 10 minutes, courtesy of the court

reporter and the hearing officer.

(Recess from 10:49 a.m. to 11:03 a.m.)

HEARING OFFICER:

6
7
8
9

Mr. Stills?

CROSS-EXAMINATION
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Q

Thank you, Dr. Grossman.

stepping forward.

I appreciate you

And yesterday we didn't get a

10

chance to thank you on Veterans Day for your service,

11

And I appreciate that.

12

Thank you.

13

And your testimony explains that the

14

opinions you've provided are based on your formal

15

education and experience as an expert in the air

16

dispersion aspects of this hearing; is that correct?

17

That's correct.

18

And regardless of whether it's

19

transportation or any other issues, air dispersion as

20

it affects this region is what you're testifying to,

21

correct?

22

Yes, sir.

23

And you understand that in the general

24

scheme of things, your participation as an expert in

25

the hearing is to assist the hearing officer and the

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parties to understand what's going on with your field

of expertise; is that right?

That is my intention.

I appreciate you helping out.

That's a

unique feature of the process.

And you are here on your own.

And in your

testimony when you used the phrase "In my opinion,"

did you intend to provide your expert opinion based

on your training, and experience in atmospheric

10

science, meteorology, and basic field research?

11

That is correct.

12

I know it may sound pompous for folks when

13

they say, "It's my expert opinion," and I realize

14

that you haven't been prepared by your attorney.

15

You're here by yourself.

16

sure that's what you meant to say.

So I just wanted to make

17

Yes.

18

So your testimony was that the

19

environmental report is not based on a reliable

20

analysis of environmental impacts involving the

21

transport of pollutants released into the air at the

22

Energy Fuels site; is that correct?

23

That is correct.

And that is because they

24

did not take into account the variability of the wind

25

on small -- on short-time scales.

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And without the cumulative impacts of the

mine and the transportation and the mill looked at as

a whole in these models, we can't know what the

impacts on the environment are; is that what your

testimony?

Could you repeat that?

When you're looking back from the various

places, whether it's Norwood or Bedrock, we can't

know what the impacts are without having a full

10

knowledge of what's happening with all aspects of

11

this proposal -- the mining, the transport to the

12

mill, and the milling -- in the modules you're

13

describing?

14

Yes, sir.

15

All right.

I think so, yes, sir.


And you also testified that

16

it's your opinion that the environmental impact

17

analysis doesn't have a reliable basis to understand

18

the environmental impacts related to air pollution

19

concerning the proposal; is that correct?

20

Yes, sir.

And I think one of the things

21

that needs to be done is that it be provided for

22

professional and independent review.

23

So it's your opinion that you couldn't

24

just go back to the CDPHE offices and fix this up and

25

send it out?

It really needs the scrutiny of a

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number of people in specialized agencies and within

the public?

lay expertise in this area; is that correct?

We've heard from a lot of people with

I would say so, yes.

But I also think

that the -- gain, I've had problems with the whole

permitting process.

process, whatever it evolves to become, there should

be the ability to have a pool of independent

reviewers of any documents that the permitting people

10

But within the permitting

can draw upon to review these documents.

11

How they're compensated or if they're

12

compensated is another issue.

13

compensated, for the most part.

14

proposals and journal articles to review, and it's

15

part of our professional commitment to do those kinds

16

of reviews.

17

this context, but I just know that it's necessary.

18

In my field we are not


We are given these

Now, I don't know how it would work in

So it's your testimony that preliminary

19

drafts need to go out for review and comment before

20

they would become relied upon for any kind of use?

21

Yes, sir.

22

And you also testified it's your opinion

23

that both the environmental report and the

24

environmental impact analysis suffer fatal flaws that

25

prevent the public from really understanding the

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consequences of -- the air pollution consequences of

this project; is that right?

Yes.

And the reason is because they do

not account for the wide variability of the wind out

here.

think more about that.

But it is a deep concern.

Let's put it that way.

It's a very deep concern for

this citizen, and it should be a deep concern of

everybody in this region, that this has not been

Whether that is fatal or not, I'd have to

10

addressed.

11

12

So you would characterize it as a serious

concern that should be looked at?

13

Yes, sir.

14

And if it wasn't looked at, it should go

15

back and have that look with peer review.

16

what you're testifying to?

17

That's correct.

18

Okay.

19
20

Thank you.

Is that

I appreciate you

clarifying that.
Mr. Spaanstra asked you about AERMOD and

21

MILDOS, and he asked you some questions about the

22

regulatory requirements.

23

your opinion is that these models, as they are, are

24

inadequate to understand the air pollution involved

25

with the Energy Fuels proposal; is that right?

But your testimony was and

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Yes.

Again, the main reason is, number

one, MILDOS is a straight line model.

What that

means is that it is good for flat terrain.

basically -- in a cross-examination of Dr. Little,

the expert that did the MILDOS runs, he admitted that

they are really for the local area, the flat terrain,

say, around the mill and to the fence line and the

other places that MILDOS was applied to.

long distances and complex terrain, he admitted that

It is

But for

10

this was not a model that gives you relevant

11

information.

12

And you testified that we live in an area

13

with long sight distances, complex terrain, very

14

complex air transport -- I guess that's the end of

15

that sentence, complex air transport; is that

16

correct?

17

Yeah.

This is not flat terrain.

And

18

Dr. Little, whose expertise is in radioactivity and

19

its consequences, admitted that he used MILDOS as a,

20

quote, unquote, black box.

21

details of this.

22

his expertise was applied to the results of the data.

23

That's where he felt he was best at.

24

took the runs as they came out with the monthly

25

averages.

He did not know the

He knew how to input the data, and

And he just

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And to be able to know a dose somewhere,

you need to know whether or not a radioactivity

particle is on dust, getting to a place?

Whenever you quote an average, you should

quote the variability associated with that average.

And I see nothing like in these reports.

Okay.

And Mr. Spaanstra asked you to

testify about a Department of Energy uranium leasing

environmental assessment.

Do you recall that?

10

Uh-huh.

11

Were you aware that Judge Martinez ruled

12

that that environmental assessment has no legal or

13

practical effect?

14

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, I object for a

15

couple reasons.

16

the assessment itself.

17

Department of Transportation took that assessment

18

into account.

19

conclusion about what Judge Martinez ruled.

20

Number one, I did not inquire about


I inquired whether the

Secondly, he's asking him for a legal

HEARING OFFICER:

It's permissible

21

cross-examination.

22

direct done by Mr. Spaanstra.

23

conclusion as to what Judge Martinez ruled, and I

24

have the orders.

25

This isn't in response to the

MR. STILLS:

But it is a legal

If I could direct you to

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Page 51 of that order, which is also CDC vs. DOE 819

Fed Sup 2nd 1193 reported at Page 1224, I'll just put

into the record that the witness was asked about

reports that rely on an environmental assessment that

has no legal or practical effects.

HEARING OFFICER:

(By Mr. Stills)

But I'll move on.

Okay.
And you heard testimony

that beach sands at these tailings piles would not be

covered during operations; is that correct?

10

Could you repeat that again?

11

At the tailings piles, are you familiar

12

with the edges of the piles that are going to be dry

13

and they're referred to as beach sands?

14

areas that in those circumstances will have water

15

cover.

16

So there's

I have to admit that I looked at some of

17

the engineering drawings, and it was hard, without a

18

consultant next to me, to interpret what they meant.

19

But I have heard of beach sand, and I now understand

20

what it is.

21

tailings area that will probably be only subject to

22

some kind of dust suppression, but not the water and

23

saturated thing that they described.

24
25

Q
that.

So there must be material outside of the

I might also --

If you don't know that, you don't know


That's fine.

But assuming that there are

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beach sands and materials that aren't covered by

water, it's your opinion that these kinds of

materials should be analyzed for their transport in

these models; is that correct?

Yes, to the degree that they need to

estimate a lofting threshold.

And I also might

mention something I forgot in that respect was the

fact that I believe that in the operation there'll be

these so-called stockpiles of ore placed around the

10

mill area for them to draw upon during times when

11

they can't get deliveries from mines to keep the mill

12

going.

13

erosion if they aren't properly handled.

14

So those also would be subject to wind

Okay.

And the last piece, you were asked

15

a series of questions about Telluride and Montrose

16

(sic) County and what they were able to gain through

17

a separate settlement agreement.

18

Did I say "Montrose"?

19

Telluride and San Miguel County had

Thank you, Jeff.

20

arrived at a settlement agreement, and you're aware

21

that that's not binding on CDPHE?

22

No.

23

Yeah.

I wasn't aware of that until now.


CDPHE doesn't have to follow that

24

if they don't want to.

I believe that was the

25

testimony of Steve Tarlton.

So that's a private

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agreement, and whatever is in there, I guess that's

what they have.

that the protections that are provided there are

provided to everyone, at a minimum, so we've

established a floor of what should be done?

haven't necessarily established what the best

practices are that should be done concerning air and

the issues in that; is that correct?

MR. SPAANSTRA:

10

But don't you think it's only fair

HEARING OFFICER:

11

(By Mr. Stills)

We

Travis is testifying.
Sustained.
Was it your testimony

12

that everyone should be provided the protections that

13

are in that settlement, at a minimum?

14

I agree with that statement.

And the way

15

that I couched it was that I haven't read it except

16

for the bullets that I read in a Telluride Daily

17

Planet article a couple days ago when they were

18

discussing this, or maybe it was a week or couple

19

weeks ago.

20

haven't had a chance to look at it.

21

that this was an agreement between one county and the

22

participants in this mill and that it was not

23

applicable to the other impacted areas, and it should

24

be.

25

This is a multipage document, and I


But my point was

And that's where the new word -- the legal

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professional has then produced complexified.

makes it that much more complex if these kinds of

restrictions or requests -- and I haven't looked at

all of them, but they look pretty good, just the scan

that I'm doing in the time that I've had with it.

And yes, that should be applicable to the entire

operation for everybody and not just San Miguel

County.

San Miguel County, not everybody.

10
11

That was my point.

It just

That's why I kept saying

Well, and for the record, complexify is in

the Merriam-Webster dictionary.

12

13

there?

14

That's too much for me.

15

I'm copacetic on that one.

16

The date of the agreement is October 2012.

17

There's no date of this.

18
19

It is?

All right.

Is probablistisize in

It's just a

blank line for me.


Q

Okay.

You may not have been provided the

20

signature pages, but I believe it's in the record

21

that this was signed in October 2012.

22

be no analysis in the -- there can be no analysis in

23

an environmental report that has not been updated

24

since 2009; is that correct?

25

Yes.

So there could

I mean --

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And there can be no analysis in the

environmental impact analysis that was issued as part

of a notice on August 6, 2012; is that correct?

Yes.

So is part of your testimony about peer

review, understanding these things in a careful,

deliberate way, a way that informs people and informs

the people making decisions, that what we should do

is look at these alternative means that are contained

10

in this document and have a good, full, robust

11

analysis?

12

here?

13

Is that what you've been talking about

It seems like that's what I get from what

14

I have read about -- and again, the scan of the

15

agreement, yes.

16

from the general public, alas, through a legal

17

determination or agreement, that I felt should be --

18

should have been provided at the outset of this

19

determination, not at the end or close to the end.

20

This is the kind of detailed input

So as a matter of public interest, the

21

whole area should receive these protections or at

22

least consideration of them and not just because you

23

have the wherewithal, as I'm glad they did, to be

24

able to force it out of them during a hearing

25

procedure?

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Yeah, absolutely.

Norwood, to my

knowledge, does not have the budget to pull something

like this off.

and the town clerk can tell me, Oh, yeah, we've got

all sorts of money for New York lawyers.

Now, I may be wrong.

Maybe the mayor

How many people live in Norwood?

In the town, it's roughly around 500 to

700.

I don't know what the -- I remember 512, but

that might have been the number that stuck in my head

10

when I moved there in '94.

I'm going to say there's

11

probably 1500 people on Wrights Mesa that Norwood,

12

quote, unquote, services that is essential.

13

They're not part of the Norwood tax base?

14

No.

They're part of the various counties.

15

In my case, Montrose; and in other cases, Wrights

16

Mesa -- we look at a basin.

17

Yeah.

Okay.

You've answered my question.

18

I don't have anything more other than to thank you

19

for coming, Dr. Grossman.

20
21
22

I appreciate it.

Thank you.
HEARING OFFICER:

to ask any questions?

23

MR. BARNES:

24

HEARING OFFICER:

25

Mr. Barnes, do you want

No, thank you.


Mr. Sandler, do you want

to ask questions?

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MR. SANDLER:

2
3

Just quickly.

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. SANDLER:

Can you hear me?

Yes.

All right.

I was getting a little

feedback there.

Yeah.

Can you hear me now?

10

Yes.

11

All right.

12

Sorry about that.

Good morning, Dr. Grossman.

13

How do you do.

14

Doing fine.

15
16

Thanks.

Now, just quickly, am I correct that


evaporation increases in windy conditions?

17

Yes.

18

So would it be fair to say that it will be

19

difficult for Energy Fuels to keep the tailings cells

20

and evaporation pond area saturated in these windy

21

conditions?

22

That, to me, would be a matter of a study.

23

They could probably do a feasibility study using

24

actual materials and scale it up to the size of the

25

eventual situation.

They may be able to get a

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private contractor to do that.

I don't know how many inches or quarter inches or

feet of water goes over these tailings.

certainly is a consideration.

calculation, which I probably could do, given the

nice information from these meteorological towers

that they have put out there.

my birdbath that you can get an inch of evaporation

in a day here, especially during these windstorms.

10
11

But I agree with you.

But that

I know, not from

But I just know from

It just sucks it right up.


Q

Okay.

It's fair to say one of your big

12

concerns is these extreme windy conditions that exist

13

in the valley?

14

I'll label that as wind variability.

15

yes, within that wind variability are these very

16

strong gust storm events, yes.

17

Okay.

But

Now, you mentioned that studies

18

could be done to determine if it would be possible to

19

keep these contaminated areas moist during these wind

20

events.

21

conducted?

22

No.

23

Okay.

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25

To your knowledge, have these studies been

To my knowledge, I don't know.


Do you believe any of your concerns

about -- let me start over.


Do you believe that any of your concerns

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about this stuff blowing around in windy conditions

and the feasibility of any mitigation measures as far

as keeping them moist have been studied or analyzed

in any of the documents?

It appears to me that within the mill

site, again, without any determination of

variability, in a general context I believe I

mentioned that there was an investigation of a high

wind event by the APCD in the EIA that used one high

10

wind event.

11

But my testimony brought out the fact that

12

even within the mill area where they used MILDOS and

13

where these models might more directly apply, they

14

have not accounted for variability.

15

averages and gave a 12-month -- they used

16

intramonthly variability but not the full range of

17

variability that could be assessed and for which

18

there is data available to do so.

19

Okay.

20

As far as I could see.

21

Okay.

So that just wasn't done?

Now, do you know how they plan to

22

keep these beach sands moist?

23

explained to you in these documents?

24
25

No.

They use monthly

Has that been

I've done my best to try to scan all

of these documents.

Again, I got into this in

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August.

obliterated.

has -- if that's correct -- has led me to -- but that

was during the hearing.

from what I could gather I could not see what they

were doing.

they just spray these things, or maybe they have an

in situ sprinkling system that sprinkles them

regularly.

10

I went to the Web site and was completely


I know that kindly, Mr. Warren Smith

I was very confused.

And

I would expect that they have trucks and

Okay.

But would you agree that either

11

spraying or a sprinkler system would probably not be

12

effective in these high wind events, these high

13

variable events that you speak of?

14

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, he's already

15

testified he doesn't know what's going to happen

16

here.

17
18
19

HEARING OFFICER:

Well, I'll allow

Mr. Sandler's question.


A

The general situation, yes.

I would say

20

that depending on the droplet size of the spray --

21

and that could be a spectrum of droplet sizes, not

22

just one droplet size but a whole spectrum and

23

probably would be -- that a high wind event would

24

seriously compromise that situation, depending on

25

where the piles and various things were that were

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being sprayed with respect to the wind direction.


Q

(By Mr. Sandler)

Okay.

So kind of the

same principle behind the advice of not to urinate

into the wind?

Sorry.

I said the same advice behind the theory

7
8

of not wanting to urinate into the wind?


A

9
10

Thank you.

HEARING OFFICER:

Or Dr. Grossman, do you have any other


testimony you want to offer?
DR. GROSSMAN:

16

MR. STILLS:

17

HEARING OFFICER:

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you're up.

Not at this time.


Nothing further.

Officer.)
HEARING OFFICER:

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THE WITNESS:

25

Mr. Barnes,

(Randy Barnes was sworn by the Hearing

21

24

All right.

First, would you raise your right hand.

20

23

Does anybody else have

any other questions for Dr. Grossman?

15

18

No further

questions.

13
14

That's correct, the first rule of sailing.


MR. SANDLER:

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12

Could you say that again?

State your full name.

Randy Barnes, R-a-n-d-y

B-a-r-n-e-s.
HEARING OFFICER:

And you're the town

manager of Ophir?

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THE WITNESS:

I'm the town manager of the

Town of Ophir.

DIRECT EXAMINATION

MR. BARNES:

Okay.

So most of this was

written prior to the hearing.

I'm certainly not an

expert witness, but I want to represent the Town of

Ophir and our community and our concerns with this

mill.

Friday and Saturday, attended yesterday until 2:00

I have attended Wednesday, Thursday, called in

10

and then was on the phone until 7:00 p.m. last night.

11

Our mayor has been here and on the phone, and we also

12

a have general assembly member that was present and

13

has listened in on the phone, as well, so we're

14

obviously very concerned about this mill and the

15

effects to our community and region.

16

Basically, you know, our community is

17

really concerned about this, and we want real answers

18

with real and absolute for sures, not just minimized,

19

limited, as low as possible, best practices verbiage.

20
21

Tell me if I go too fast.


slow.

When I'm nervous, I talk fast.

22

THE REPORTER:

23

MR. BARNES:

I'll try to go
I'm sorry.

Okay.
Again, we want absolutes, as

24

the uranium industry cannot promise this based on

25

their historical past and the current and ongoing

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legacy of damage.

prove that it can adequately manage this damaging

industry based on the historical contribution of

taxpayer dollars, the detrimental past, and ongoing

effects and the associated track records to public

health, safety, and environment, this being their

mission and vision statement.

8
9

Additionally, the CDPHE cannot

There is no existing proof that any mill


can and will operate violation free to date.

We have

10

heard claims of a state-of-the-art design, but we

11

have heard testimony to the contrary.

12

being placed upon the majority to benefit a minority,

13

to profit a foreign corporation.

14

is that this decision made by so few will affect

15

thousands and numerous generations.

16

of my opening.

17

This is a risk

More so concerning

So that's kind

What I would like to tell you now is a

18

little bit about myself.

I've been the town manager

19

for the last three years.

20

mayor for two, and prior to that I was the town clerk

21

for five.

22

community.

23

almost 24 years, and I've lived in Ophir for 14 of

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those years.

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hands, and I live there with my wife and our three

Prior to that I was the

So therefore I can say I know our


I've lived in Southwest Colorado for

I built my home literally with my two

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children.

everything a minimum of three times.

So please forgive me.

I'm used to saying

I would like to say the Town of Ophir was

founded in 1881.

It was originally an old mining

town that has transcended into a working class

community in San Miguel County, primarily comprised

of families and retirees.

municipality acting by and through a general

assembly.

We are a homegrown

We are not a multimillion dollar home

10

community, nor are we a collection of trust funders.

11

We are working for a living.

12

currently, 160 residents, and 60 kids, with one due

13

in December.

14

We have 73 homes

We live at 10,000 feet.

This is an

15

east-west valley that sits on the western edge of the

16

San Juan Mountains.

17

regional and environmental beauty, open space,

18

solitude, and recreational opportunities.

19

skiers, boaters, hikers, hunters, amongst all the

20

other awesome recreational opportunities the region

21

has to offer.

22

we would like to leave something better behind for

23

our children and future generations.

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25

We all live here because of the

We are

And like all parents, I would assume,

Thus it is truly disappointing and


concerning that an incredibly unique and beautiful

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environment could become an industrialized landscape,

forever disrupted and contaminated.

small, and we operated on a $112,000 budget last

year.

bookkeeper and treasurer is from Norwood, Colorado.

Our community is

And just one thing about our staff.

Our

Ophir does pride itself on its close-knit

community, its progressive philosophy, and its

aspirations to have a low impact on the environment.

From the town's 20-year land conservation efforts,

10

which have resulted in over a thousand high country

11

acres surrounding the town being placed under

12

conservation, to more recent efforts to develop

13

solar, wind, and hydro power in the valley, Ophir

14

has, for the past two decades, prioritized regional

15

lands and water protection and dedicated significant

16

resources to that end.

17

We have worked with the San Miguel

18

Conservation Foundation, the San Miguel Water

19

Conservation Association, the U.S. Forest Service,

20

the EPA, the Trust For Public Lands, the Trust For

21

Land Restoration, GOCO, DOLA, and CDPHE to improve

22

water quality, reclamate mines, and acquire open

23

space to put in public hands.

24

to reduce our carbon footprint, which we actually

25

moved in the correct direction on that one last year,

We have also pledged

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and we achieved a $75,000 grant for renewable energy.


In November of 2009, the town began

actively pursuing -- actively opposing the Pinon

Ridge uranium mill which is seeking a license from

the Colorado Department of Public Health and

Environment.

constructed less than 60 air miles west of Ophir in

the Paradox Valley.

airborne pollutants from the mill, radioactive or

If approved, the mill would be

The town is concerned that

10

otherwise, will be deposited in the valley and will

11

contaminate the surface creek that is the public

12

drinking water supply for the town.

13

So I want to talk a little bit about our

14

water supply because we just did -- we recently

15

converted from groundwater to surface water in

16

Waterfall Canyon, which is a tributary of the Howards

17

Fork and San Miguel River.

18

End company from Naturita, and the project contract

19

was nearly $800,000.

20

grants from DOLA and loans and worked with ARRA to

21

fund and construct the water treatment system.

22

worked with the Colorado Power Development Authority

23

and the CDPHE to do this.

24

that are served by this water system, but at

25

build-out this could double.

We actually used a West

We did this through state

We

Currently we have 73 homes

And we do have a source

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water protection ordinance, but it only extends three

miles.

Recently we participated in the San Miguel

County Baseline Radionuclide Work Study Plan, and we

did this because we are literally at times downwind

from the Paradox Valley.

transported by west to east winds, particularly in

low duration, high frequency windstorms.

And they

are deposited in the San Juan Mountains.

This is

Dust from the desert is

10

visible every year, and it has been noticed.

The

11

Western San Juan Mountains typically receive four to

12

seven major dust deposition events per year according

13

to the study by J.C. Neff, increasing eolian dust

14

deposition in the Western United States linked to

15

human activity, published in the Nature Geoscience

16

March 2008 edition.

17

Additionally, the University of Colorado

18

professor Dr. Mark Williams has documented this air

19

transport mechanism in his article "Class 1 Areas At

20

Risk:

21

Elevation, Western Site," published in The Scientific

22

World in 2001.

Event-Based Nitrogen Deposition to a High

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If radionuclides particulates from the

24

Pinon Ridge facility are added to this deposition

25

pattern, Ophir's water supply could be rendered

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unsafe.

So Ophir has proactively attempted to

establish a baseline for radioactive material in our

water source to allow comparisons with future data if

this mill is ever built.

administrator of this study.

and there are no radioactive particulates in the

Ophir water source.

8
9

I am the contract
We have gotten results,

Ophir wants to keep it that way.

So as I said, we joined in on expressing


our concern in 2009.

We have written many letters.

10

All our residents have written comment letters

11

previously.

12

listening session.

13

session.

14

our town hall.

15

get anybody a DVD from it.

16

that the meeting was a drop-by session where people

17

could give their oral comments and written questions.

18

We weren't offered specifics about the mill, only the

19

licensing process.

We had a meeting in Ophir for a CDPHE


It was called an availability

And that meeting was standing room only in

20

The meeting was videotaped, and I can


I do want to be clear

When it seemed apparent that this was

21

going to be approved, "this" being the mill, Ophir

22

chose to become party status.

23

doing that.

24

wrote Mr. Tarlton on November 22, 2010.

25

"For many years now, the U.S. Forest Service, the

We were successful at

I want to read from a letter that I


It says,

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University of Colorado's Institute of Arctic and

Alpine Research, INSTARR, the San Miguel Watershed

Coalition, and the Town of Ophir have coordinated

efforts to study the air and water quality in Ophir.

The project managed by University of Colorado

professor Dr. Mark Williams has consistently shown

that high winds transport pollution from regional

coal-fired power plants, some more than 200 miles

away.

As a result of the orographical and

10

geographical influences, these pollutants, riding on

11

east-to-west winds, are deposited on the windward

12

sides of the mountains in the Ophir Valley."

13

That is from Dr. Williams' report, as I

14

referenced earlier.

Indeed, because the town is

15

downwind of the proposed site and on the windward

16

side of the San Juan Mountains, Ophir will be

17

directly impacted by pollutants emitted from the

18

mill.

19

pollutants, will be carried to and deposited in the

20

valley and in surface waterways which are the source

21

for the town's public drinking water.

22

other shortfalls, Energy Fuels' application has

23

failed to address this meteorological and

24

topographical phenomenon and the impact on public

25

health.

Radionuclides, as well as other nonradioactive

In addition to

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So I've addressed the settlement agreement

with San Miguel County, the Town of Telluride, and

Energy Fuels.

unanimously, in the settlement agreement.

grateful for the water quality testing that is going

to be done in Waterfall Canyon, but should they

choose to amend this agreement that can be

terminated.

concerned that in the event of certain exceedances,

We chose not to participate,


Ophir is

Suffice it to say that Ophir is

10

investigating the primary responsibility of the

11

facility will take some time.

12

as reasonably achievable emission levels does not

13

ensure curtailment of radionuclide deposition.

14

Remediation to as low

There are uncertain time frames on

15

remedial investigation, and corrective action could

16

impede legal remedies.

17

suspension of the facility operation as a possible

18

outcome does nothing to address the potential

19

pollution when the facility is or should be

20

decommissioned.

21

status to oppose the approval of this license because

22

we believe the application is deficient.

The possible temporary

So Ophir chose to remain party

23

And I will just address one thing about

24

the suspension of the operation of the Pinon Ridge

25

facility as to the settlement agreement with San

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Miguel County, the Town of Telluride and Energy

Fuels.

for radionuclides at any level of the three water

sources identified in this Article 3 exceeds

100 percent of the maximum containment levels

identified in this Article 3 for any four biweekly

sampling periods in one calendar year and the CDPHE

determines that the Pinon Ridge and/or mine supplying

ore to the Pinon Ridge facility are the primary

Basically it says here if the measured levels

10

source of such elevated levels of radionuclides,

11

Energy Fuels shall conduct further correction action

12

as required by the CDPHE to reduce the radionuclides

13

below the maximum contaminant levels, which may

14

include the temporary suspension of activities at the

15

Pinon Ridge facility.

16

how I read it.

17

So there's no guaranties, is

Ophir is not represented by counsel at

18

this stage of the licensing process and has not hired

19

any of its own expert witnesses.

20

will not directly address the technical grounds for

21

Ophir's objections to the approval of this license or

22

the technical deficiencies in the application.

23

would instead defer to the procedural and substantive

24

arguments and positions put forth by the other

25

parties in opposition to this license.

As a layperson, I

But I

Specifically,

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Ophir adopts and endorses the expert reports and

testimony of Sheep Mountain Alliance witnesses, and

Ophir adopts and endorses the statements, reports,

and testimony of Dr. Robert Grossman.

However, Ophir does believe that the

application lacks adequate specifications for

controlling air emissions -- for controlling

emissions to air.

specifications for an environmental monitoring

The application also lacks

10

analysis.

11

adequate and comprehensive ground and surface water

12

monitoring.

13

And we do believe the application lacks

Specifically to the air, I would like to

14

read another excerpt from a letter that we sent to

15

Mr. Tarlton on November 22, 2010.

16

MILDOS-AREA Model has been approved by the NRC as

17

well as the CDPHE, the model is inadequate for

18

modeling air masses in mountain terrain.

19

reflected in CDPHE's own comments, the MILDOS-AREA

20

Model uses Gaussian plume algorithms and assumes flat

21

terrain."

22

August 19, 2010, from Steve Tarlton, manager of RCP,

23

to Frank Filas, Energy Fuels.

"While the

As

And that was said in a letter of

24

"In this case there is a significant

25

difference in elevation, 4,379, between Paradox

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Valley and Ophir.

Thus, air traveling 60 miles on

predominantly west-to-east winds from Paradox to

Ophir rises abruptly by several thousand feet when it

hits the western edge of the San Juan Mountains.

Moreover, MILDOS projects the dose to populations

within an 80-kilometer radius.

included in a generalized continental population

dose.

speeds, and mountainous terrain, towns just outside

Towns beyond that are

Yet due to orographical conditions, high wind

10

the 80-kilometer radius may be significantly

11

affected, more so than residents at the far corners

12

of the continent.

13

"Radon, in particular, with its half-life

14

of 3.8 days, will easily make the 50-mile journey,

15

sometimes in just a few hours with high winds.

16

town, which lies just outside the 80-kilometer

17

radius, is concerned about the impacts to their air

18

and water quality from dust storms and other weather

19

events that will transport pollutants.

20

The

"The town concurs with the CDPHE that the

21

application does not address the effects of low

22

duration, high wind events typical of the dust storms

23

that are becoming more and more common in the

24

Southwest.

25

the town is on the receiving end of those storms.

Given the prevailing west-to-east winds,

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Indeed, given the frequency and intensity of dust

storms, the town considers this lack of information a

serious deficiency in the application.

regional dust analysis report posted October 14, 210

on the CDPHE Web site does little to shed light on

this issue.

estimate radiation doses to the public and dispersion

of the dust, which as discussed above is inadequate

to the task.

10

Yet the

First, the study relies on MILDOS to

"Additionally, the dust report analyzed

11

only PM10 particles and did not examine total

12

suspended particulates.

13

size, such as PM2.5, should have been included.

14

These smaller particles are more likely to travel the

15

distance from the mill site to the town, and smaller

16

particles can be more detrimental to public health.

17

Particulates of a lesser

"The town is concerned that the

18

radiological exposure pathways report posted on

19

November 5, 2010, does not examine exposure pathways

20

where airborne particles are deposited in waterways

21

and from there consumed by humans.

22

considers air-to-air and air-to-soil but not

23

air-to-water, the primary pathway by which town

24

residents would be affected."

25

Okay.

The report

So in the end, we don't believe the

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application has addressed these concerns in a

satisfactory manner.

about jobs, wildlife, transportation, socioeconomic

effects, and the effects on agriculture, ranching,

and tourism.

so many others have.

couple concerns that we have, though, is that the

reclamation bond is too low based on historical

values, another reason we did not participate in the

We do have additional concerns

But I'm not going to address those, as


One other concern -- or a

10

settlement agreement.

11

funded cleanups have occurred in every case, to my

12

knowledge.

13

And in the past, taxpayer

Groundwater contamination would appear to

14

disqualify the site for permanent transfer to the

15

Department of Energy.

16

regional economy could happen when an accident

17

happens.

18

not just minimizing, limiting, best practices

19

verbiage.

And in the end, we are left with one

20

question:

Why approve the mill?

21

this opportunity to testify.

22

that you will carefully consider our testimony and

23

the comments of the residents and property owners in

24

determining what your recommendation will be to the

25

CDPHE director.

And detrimental effects on the

Again, as a community, we want absolutes,

So thank you for

Judge Dana, we trust

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MR. SPAANSTRA:

MR. GOAD:

DR. GROSSMAN:

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5
6

No questions, Your Honor.

No questions.
I have a question.

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY DR. GROSSMAN:
Q

Do you think that CDPHE, given your

concerns and the settlement agreement, as you see it,

and the discussion you've heard since you've been at

these meetings so persistently -- has the number of

10

regulators and officers that can come into the field

11

on a regular basis all seasons of the year and

12

monitor these operations, do you think that they are

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in a position to do so?

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Are you asking me about the Town of

Telluride and San Miguel County, if they're -Q

No.

I'm asking you if the state has

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enough people to come out and do what you want them

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to do, to monitor this place?

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I'm sorry.

I think I don't understand

your question.
Q

Well, basically environmental police

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officers to take a look at the agreements that have

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been made, the monitoring that needs to be done to

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keep this place -- the mill, if it's in operation --

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safe, do you think that CDPHE and the state has

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enough of these police officers, given all the other

things they're doing in the state, to come out here

or maybe be stationed out here to take care of

business?

I don't have faith in the industry.

There's a proven track record of damage to the

environment, people's health.

can adequately address it.

So I don't think they

Second question.

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Okay.

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You mentioned Gaussian dispersion.

And

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I'm wondering -- and this is a general question to

13

everybody -- if during a break or even now -- and

14

I've mentioned it, too -- if you want me to discuss

15

this because it's basically theoretical.

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practical.

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do you want me to explain this to you so that you're

18

well aware of what Gaussian dispersion really means?

19

We've been knocking this term around.

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to do it either now or during the break.

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Okay.

It's all we've got.

It's not
But I'll --

I'll be glad

I don't know.

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Is it appropriate for him --

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HEARING OFFICER:

If you want to talk to

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him during the break, that's fine.

It's not

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appropriate for him to testify about Gaussian

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dispersion during a break.

THE WITNESS:

That's what I would assume.

So yeah, you can explain it during a

break.

to us and recommendations regarding the different

theories on dust deposition.

expert opinions, it does happen.

doesn't matter to me what theory they're using.

the end, it's proven that the uranium industry causes

You know, we've had experts provide opinions

And based on those


And, you know, it
In

10

damage, and it's proven that the dust does come to

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Ophir from the desert.

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MR. STILLS:

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finished?

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DR. GROSSMAN:

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I do have a couple -- are you

Yes.

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. STILLS:

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Good morning.

It's five to 12:00.

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All right.

19

I appreciate you coming over, and I

20

appreciate the work the Town of Ophir's done

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throughout this and the litigation that resulted in

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forcing these hearings to happen despite the position

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taken by the state and Energy Fuels.

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that.

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I do appreciate

And you testified to the fact that you

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were at a hearing in June 2010 in the Ophir community

building?

Correct.

And Dr. Williams, who you referred to, was

That's the correct date.

there that day?

Yes, he was.

Do you remember any comments he made about

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the air models being used for this process?


A

If I remember correctly, I think he

felt --

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MR. SPAANSTRA:
totally hearsay.

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Your Honor, this is

HEARING OFFICER:

in a minute, I think, but I don't know yet.

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THE WITNESS:

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MR. SPAANSTRA:

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We could watch the DVD.

(By Mr. Stills)

We could.
Go ahead and answer.

He

actually said, Yes, go ahead and answer.

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inadequate.

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22

We're going to get there

I did say yes, he felt that it was

Did he use any colorful language to

describe its inadequacy?

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I can't testify to my remembering that.

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Okay.

25

And you recall Mr. Tarlton being

there, as well?

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Absolutely.

And your testimony was that you expressed,

you know, a lot of concern about what was happening

with this permit, is that correct, or with this

application?

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I'm sorry.

Everybody in attendance was very concerned

about the mill.


Q

And you're familiar with the environmental

impact analysis that was conducted by CDPHE?


A

A little bit, yes.

I've heard a lot about

it, but I can't say I grasped it all.


Q

It was -- I guess the version that we have

13

was finalized in January 2011, according to

14

Mr. Tarlton.

15

draft of that EIA before January 2011?

Were you asked to provide comments to a

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Not to my knowledge.

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Was the town ever invited to participate

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in an official capacity for preparation of the EIA?


A

Not to my knowledge.

We did have some

other parties in Ophir, working with Ophir for this.

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Okay.

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So I don't recall that I received

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personally an invitation.

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Okay.

25

I can review this --

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But given the level of interest in the

town, you would have been one of the people who would

have been provided an opportunity to prepare that

response; is that true?

Typically that would be the case.

Okay.

And you're not aware of any

invitation to participate as a cooperating agency to

help with the preparation of the EIA; is that

correct?

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Not to my knowledge.

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Again, thanks very much for testifying.

12

know a small town engaging in these kinds of

13

proceedings is an interesting match, but I appreciate

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it.

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Thanks very much.

16

As a municipality, we found it

important to be here.

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Thank you.

HEARING OFFICER:

Does anybody else have

questions?

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Anything else you want to say, Mr. Barnes?

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THE WITNESS:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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No.
Mr. Sandler, do you have

any questions?

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MR. SANDLER:

No questions.

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THE WITNESS:

Thanks, guys.

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You made it

easy.

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HEARING OFFICER:

Is this a rational time

to take our 15-minute lunch break?

(Recess from 12:02 p.m. to 12:20 p.m.)

HEARING OFFICER:

MR. STILLS:

HEARING OFFICER:

All right.

We're back on the record?


Do we have the phone on?

Mr. Moore, before you get away, are we still on the

phone?

MR. SANDLER:

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HEARING OFFICER:

Our 15-minute lunch

break is concluded, and we're back on the record.

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We're on.

MR. STILLS:

If I may just inquire, we're

done with direct testimony then; is that correct?

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. STILLS:

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MR. GOAD:

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MR. STILLS:

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I believe we are.

We're done with direct?


Correct.
And now we're just moving

into rebuttal?

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. STILLS:

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MR. SPAANSTRA:

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Rebuttal.

Okay.

Who are we calling?

We're calling Kim

Morrison.
MR. STILLS:

I would lodge an objection.

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Ms. Morrison was not identified by Energy Fuels as a

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rebuttal expert in the disclosures that were made on

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August 5, 2012.

all of its rebuttals.

under the Rule 26 requirement that the parties agreed

upon was Frank Filas.

Frank Filas, we think that's appropriate.

call witnesses that were not disclosed timely,

providing us an opportunity to do discovery, we do

object to them being called.

Sheep Mountain Alliance did reveal


The only person identified

So if we have testimony from

MR. SPAANSTRA:

But to

Your Honor, Ms. Morrison

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was disclosed on September 20th in our original

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expert disclosures.

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November 2.

13

November 2 there was a massive list of will call --

14

may call witnesses that Mr. Stills had.

15

argued strenuously that we should make them all

16

available here.

17

offered to bring the four we have.

18

would like the opportunity to put them on.

19

Her report was disclosed on

If you recall, in our discussion on

And he

As part of that discussion, we

MR. STILLS:

And hence, we

And Your Honor, our objection

20

was based on the fact that these witnesses should

21

have been -- they were properly disclosed as

22

witnesses for their direct case to support the burden

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that they have in this proceeding.

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needed to come back and do other testimony, that

25

would be fine.

And if they

But Energy Fuels chose to rely on

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Frank Filas.

And revealing their report on November

2nd also provided us no opportunity to do any

discovery.

to start on December 7th -- I'm sorry --

November 7th.

That was five days before the hearing was

Basically what has transpired is, you

know, kind of a bootstrapping or sandbagging of

providing their direct case.

as rebuttal, as we said in other places, denies us

Providing these folks

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our right to be able to participate in this hearing.

11

And this was the subject of several motions by Energy

12

Fuels.

13

and August 5th were key dates, dates which Sheep

14

Mountain Alliance adhered to for the disclosure of a

15

major portion of the case.

16

opportunity to conduct discovery, get any document

17

disclosures.

18

witnesses forward.

Those are important dates.

19

September 20th

We never had the

Discovery closed the day they put these

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, again, we

20

disclosed Ms. Morrison on September 20; not the

21

rebuttal report, but the original reports in that

22

disclosure.

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reiterate.

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Mr. Stills had that these people all should be

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available, we've provided an expert --

In terms of the -- again, I'll


Given the passionate argument that

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MR. STILLS:

We --

MR. SPAANSTRA:

And as you have ruled, you know, discovery

Can I finish, please?

could continue through the hearing.

certainly very responsive to Mr. Stills' requests to

continue discovery beyond the dates in the stipulated

agreement, and so therefore we'd offer her.

MR. STILLS:

You've been

I do have a copy of the

September 20th disclosure sent by Energy Fuels.

They

10

said that they were listed on our witness list.

They

11

were not listed as expert witnesses.

12

there does not work.

13

So back-dooring

And I'd also submit that although we're

14

just discussing one of these witnesses right now, I

15

believe there's some intent to bring witnesses who

16

aren't on this list to testify as experts.

17

would go ahead and lodge our objection to that right

18

now.

19

may or may not want to call.

20

And we

We can also lodge it as he determines who he

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, I have SMA's

21

disclosure, and listed on it is Kimberly Morrison.

22

It says, See expert report and may call.

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were very much aware; in fact, were demanding that

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she be in the room.

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HEARING OFFICER:

And so they

Anybody else want to say

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anything to make a record?

MR. STILLS:

One more point on that.

Those were identified as adverse or

cross-examination.

Energy Act requirement that they meet their burden in

such a manner as we may cross-examine and not charge

us to cross-examine or sandbag them until rebuttal.

I'm done.

That is based on the Atomic

HEARING OFFICER:

I have played fast and

10

loose with the discovery rules throughout the course

11

of this process in an effort to make sure everybody

12

got access to everything they thought they needed for

13

this hearing and to get ready for this hearing.

14

I appreciate counsels' cooperation throughout the

15

course of this process in filing motions and filing

16

responses and filing replies way ahead of the time

17

that would normally be contemplated.

18

to rule, to the extent I could, quicker than I might

19

normally have ruled.

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And I've tried

You've made your record.

We're going to

hear from the witness.

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MR. SPAANSTRA:

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MR. STILLS:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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And

Thank you.

Thank you.

Your Honor.

And you can make

arguments further in the course of the hearing

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process if you want to.

here.

But we have live people

We're going to hear from them.

MR. SPAANSTRA:

HEARING OFFICER:

(Kimberly Morrison was sworn by the

Thank you, Your Honor.

Hearing Officer.)

HEARING OFFICER:

THE WITNESS:

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Raise your right hand.

State your full name.

Kimberly Finke Morrison.

DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. SPAANSTRA:
Q

Welcome to Nucla, Kim.

I'm pleased we're

12

actually going to have a chance to talk to you.

13

Thank you for coming back from the Congo to be here.

14

I'm going to ask you a few questions because I'm

15

going to offer you as an expert.

16

will probably have a discussion about that, as well,

17

but let's see where it goes.

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20

And Travis and I

Could you first please provide your


educational background.
A

Certainly.

I received a bachelor's degree

21

in geological engineering from the University of

22

Missouri-Rolla in 1996, graduating summa cum laude.

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Then I went and got a master's in civil geotechnical

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engineering from the Georgia Institute of Technology,

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completed there in March of 1998.

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Kim, could you please provide a summary of

your work experience since you left Georgia Tech?


A

Certainly.

When I completed my degree at

Georgia Tech, I moved to Denver, Colorado in 1998.

And I started my career as a staff engineer at

Woodward Clyde Consultants.

acquired by URS Corporation.

Golder Associates, where I progressively was promoted

from a project level engineer through to associate

Woodward Clyde was later


In 2000 I moved on to

10

from the period of 2000 through January of 2011.

11

in 2008 and '9, I moved to Perth, Western Australia

12

for a period of time during my stint at Golder

13

Associates.

14

And

In January of 2011 I briefly moved on to

15

AMEC Environment & Infrastructure, also in Denver,

16

Colorado.

17

my own consulting firm, Morrison Geotechnical

18

Solutions, where I currently reside.

19

And recently, earlier this year, I started

Thank you.

What type of projects over the

20

course -- since 1998 over the course of your

21

professional experience have you specialized in?

22

Certainly.

Over the past 15 years I've

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specialized in environmentally responsible design of

24

mine waste facilities for clients worldwide.

25

Globally I've been involved in the design of more

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than 20 geomembrane-lined heap leach facilities and

more than 15 tailing storage facilities.

experience in the uranium industry with regard to

mining, milling, and ISR projects in the United

States, Canada, Kazakhstan, and Australia.

I have

In the CV that we disclosed on

September 20 you listed upwards of 25 technical

publications, if I'm counting correctly.

briefly describe those.

10

Certainly.

Would you

I have authored or coauthored

11

more than 25 technical publications.

12

publications have been focused on geomembrane liner

13

design in the mining industry, the design of tailing

14

storage facilities, and the regulatory environment

15

surrounding uranium tailings management in the United

16

States.

17

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Many of those

Thank you.

With that,

18

Your Honor, I'd proffer Ms. Morrison as an expert in

19

civil and geotechnical nearing.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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Voir dire?

VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION


BY MR. STILLS:
Q

Good afternoon.

Were you here last week

for any of the testimony?


A

I listened on Friday morning to the

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testimony by two of Stratus Consulting's consultants.


Q

You were not able to see any of their

presentation of the visual materials?


A

No, I was not.

However, a couple of the

items I understand were in their previous documents

which I did have the opportunity to review.

Are you here today to only testify as to

matters that were brought to your attention

concerning Stratus Consulting?

10

Yes.

11

So you're not here to testify to the whole

12

range of documents that were with your disclosure; is

13

that correct?

14
15

Absolutely not.

I don't think we have

that kind of time.

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MR. STILLS:

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No objection, Your Honor.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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All right.

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Okay.

Thank you.

Anybody else?

Go ahead.

DIRECT EXAMINATION (resumed)


BY MR. SPAANSTRA:
Q

Ms. Morrison, did you prepare a report in

preparation for this hearing?


A

Yes, I did.

I prepared a document on

November 2nd.

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And that report was, actually, following

up on Travis' question, a response to Stratus

Consulting's comments on waste containment and

remediation costs on the Pinon Ridge project in

Montrose County, Colorado?

That is correct.

MR. SPAANSTRA:

that report as Exhibit 3.

Your Honor.

Your Honor, I would offer


I have a hard copy for

This was disclosed, as I mentioned

10

before, to all parties on November 2nd.

11

HEARING OFFICER:

All right.

Subject to

12

the objections made earlier by Mr. Stills, it's

13

admitted.

14

(Energy Fuels Exhibit 3 admitted.)

15

MR. SPAANSTRA:

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HEARING OFFICER:

No.

I'll consider the

document.
Q

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

So Ms. Morrison,

20

briefly describe your role in the design and

21

licensing of the Pinon Ridge project.

22

I cut

you off.

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18

Sorry, Your Honor.

Certainly.

From the year 2007 until I

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left Golder in 2011, I served as the project manager

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and the lead geotechnical design engineer for the

25

aspects of the projects that Golder Associates was

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responsible for.

been continuously involved with Energy Fuels and

assisting them with the permitting and licensing

aspects of the project, including assisting them with

their NESHAPs permit through the EPA.

And since departing Golder, I have

On Friday, as you just testified in voir

dire, you did listen to Dr. Ann Maest's testimony,

correct?

That is correct.

10

I would like to ask you a few questions

11

related to her comments on that day.

12

and I'm going to paraphrase.

13

paraphrase.

14

which -- that all liners leak.

15

describe generally how you address the liner issues

16

in your November 2 report that we just submitted.

17

Dr. Maest --

Well, I'm not going to

She did testify that all liners leak,

Certainly.

Could you please

In my report I indicated

18

generally that geomembrane liners themselves are not

19

permeable.

20

is affected by defects in the liner.

21

geomembrane liner when placed in contact with a low

22

permeability soil liner dramatically decreases the

23

amount of seepage through the liner system.

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25

However, seepage through the liner system


Specifically, a

And then when you have a double composite


liner system, such as that designed for the Pinon

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Ridge project where you have an intervening leak

collection and recovery system layer, that

dramatically decreases the amount of seepage by

limiting the amount of driving head acting on the

liner.

detail.

And I do have a slide that shows this in more

MR. SPAANSTRA:

So the two slides that

we're going to see -- Olivia, I believe, is going to

send an E-mail with them here momentarily.

We're

10

trying to limit how long this (indicating) is on for

11

court reporting purposes.

12

may have to wait a minute here.

13

So I'll turn it on.

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

We

Ms. Morrison, let me

14

walk you through the slides.

15

the liner systems which were used historically in the

16

uranium mining and milling industry?

17

Certainly.

First, can you describe

This slide shows the types of

18

liner systems that are typically used in the mining

19

industry, with the amount of environmental protection

20

associated with each one.

21

no liner scenario.

22

was the case for many of the legacy projects that we

23

keep hearing so much about in the uranium industry

24

where there was no liner whatsoever.

25

First what we have is the

And this is the situation that

However, when the importance of a liner

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for environmental protection -- when people became

aware of that, they incorporated a clay liner.

clay liner does provide significant improvement.

It's very important to note that for this particular

demonstration I've assumed that the clay liners that

are shown here, it compares clay liners with a

thickness of 3 feet and a permeability of 10 to the

minus 7 centimeters per second.

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10

Could you point that out on the slide, for

the court reporter.

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12

DR. GROSSMAN:

Can I get some

clarification?

13
14

And a

HEARING OFFICER:

You can ask questions on

cross.

15

DR. GROSSMAN:

It's just that on one of

16

those, the units that are being used for this I don't

17

understand.

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19

MR. SPAANSTRA:
later.

20

Well, you can ask that

I get my shot first.


DR. GROSSMAN:

Okay.

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(By Mr. Spaanstra)

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Okay.

23

Yes.

24

All right.

25

I'm sorry.

So shall I continue?

So when the importance of

liners were noted for the mining industry, they

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started to incorporate clay liners.

And clay liners

are still appropriate for some applications.

when geomembrane liners were introduced, at first

they were just placed by themselves without a clay

liner.

putting the geomembrane liner in contact with the

clay liner became very clear.

terming a single composite liner here.

can see in this demonstration, the geomembrane in

Though

However, soon there after the importance of

And that's what I'm


And as you

10

contact with the clay liner is 100 times better at

11

providing -- at limiting seepage than the clay alone.

12
13

Great.

And you testified that you had

listened to the presentations on Friday.

14

Right.

15

My recollection was that there was some

16

discussion about the liners leaking at a number of

17

historic uranium mills.

18

Uh-huh.

19

Based on your knowledge and expertise,

20

which of these liner systems had been employed in

21

these historic cases?

22

Certainly.

In most historic cases, it was

23

the no-liner scenario where there was no liner

24

whatsoever.

25

of course, not one that's 3 feet thick with this low

In some cases, it was with a clay liner;

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of permeability.

And in other cases, it was a type

of a geomembrane liner.

geomembrane liners were quite a bit inferior to the

ones that we currently have.

placed with a clay liner does not provide nearly the

protection of the single composite liner here.

I would like to make one additional

However, the early

And a geomembrane liner

comment on the single composite liner.

This is the

standard of practice in the United States for cyanide

10

heap leach facilities, the use of a single composite

11

liner.

12

facilities, the clay liner layer is only 6 to

13

12 inches thick, and the permeability is one to two

14

orders of magnitude higher.

15

clay liner component, is much more stringent for use

16

in the uranium industry.

17
18

However, for the cyanide heap leach

So the soil liner, the

And just to clarify, cyanide heap leach

operations are used in the mining of gold?

19

That is correct.

20

Currently what is the mandated regulatory

21
22

requirement, based on your experience?


A

With regard to uranium tailings storage

23

facilities in the United States, the mandated

24

regulatory requirement is what's shown here, a double

25

composite liner system.

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MR. STILLS:

her offering a legal conclusion.

3
4

THE WITNESS:
regulations.

Your Honor, I would object to

It's clearly stated in the

It's spelled out.

HEARING OFFICER:

The witness can testify

as to what she understands the regulations say.

we get into a legal conclusion, I'll have to address

it.

If

In the case of uranium tailings storage

10

facilities in the United States, the regulations are

11

prescriptive, where it clearly spells out the

12

requirements, the minimum requirements.

13

includes two layers of geomembrane separated by a

14

leak collection and recovery system layer overlying

15

3 feet of low permeability clay.

16

double composite liner system shown here, and that is

17

what was essentially designed for the Pinon Ridge

18

project.

19

And that

And that's the

However, we have incorporated some

20

improvements.

21

composite liner system is nearly 7,000 times better

22

at limiting seepage than the single composite liner

23

and nearly 700,000 times better at limiting seepage

24

than the clay alone.

25

And as you can see here, the double

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

And just to go back to

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your earlier testimony, the clay alone and the clay

liner, the 7,000 times, and the clay liner were

what's been used historically in the industry?

Historically in the industry, to state it

again, it was the no liner, a thin clay liner, and a

geomembrane liner without the clay in contact with

it.

8
9

You mentioned that the Pinon Ridge design

incorporates additional protections, if you will,

10

beyond what the regulatory requirements are.

11

you discuss those?

12

Could

Yes, I can, and we spelled that out.

13

spelled that out in the November 2nd letter.

14

However, I have a slide that walks through those that

15

I'd like to show now.

16

So the liner system design for Pinon

17

Ridge, first it includes an underdrain system.

The

18

underdrain system is located above the upper

19

geomembrane.

20

driving head on the liner by pulling water out from

21

beneath the bottom of the cell.

22

that we did with regard to the upper primary

23

geomembrane liner is we made that a conductive

24

geomembrane.

25

geomembrane, that will easily facilitate a leak

And what that does is reduce the

An additional thing

And by making it a conductive

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detection survey at completion of installation to

identify any defects that may have happened during

the installation process.

Additionally, with regard to the upper

geomembrane liner, we have made it -- we have

designed it with a light-reflective, white coating

which provides a couple of benefits.

that it gives us the opportunity during installation

to visually detect any defects because the white is

One of those is

10

only a coating.

11

installation, we should be able to see that by the

12

black showing through.

13

And if there is a defect during

The white coating provides us an

14

additional measure, in that it will limit the UV

15

degradation of that upper geomembrane liner.

16

then as we move down through the sandwich, instead of

17

the clay liner that's 3 feet thick, we have designed

18

that low permeability zone as a geosynthetic clay

19

liner.

20

demonstrated that that GCL layer provides a lower

21

permeability than the prescriptive 3 feet of clay.

22

Further, we've looked at the

23

manufacturer's recommendations for installation of

24

the GCL, and we went above and beyond those

25

recommendations by doubling the transfers and

And

And in our design report, we have

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longitudinal overlaps of the GCL as part of the

design.

Following up on this slide, my

recollection of Dr. Maest's testimony was, again,

that all liners leak.

of the things she testified to is oftentimes you

can't -- I'm going to paraphrase, but essentially

that when you install these liners, it's hard to do

that perfectly without creating some flaws.

And one of the -- I recall one

So I

10

think I just heard your testimony that we have an

11

initial upper primary geomembrane liner to address

12

precisely that at the time of installation; is that

13

correct?

14

That is correct.

15

Can you amplify on that a little bit?

16

Yes.

As I indicated, we put in additional

17

measures above and beyond the regulations in order to

18

ensure that the installation of the geomembrane is

19

done as good as possible with the smallest amount of

20

defects and least amount of seepage possible.

21

So to channel our colleague Matt who's on

22

the phone, it would be fair to say that the Pinon

23

Ridge design materially mitigates Dr. Maest's

24

assertion that all liners leak?

25

That is correct.

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Dr. Maest, in her report and her

testimony, agreed that engineering systems, as you

have described, have significantly improved over the

past 30 years.

liners leak.

the last two you described have only been in place --

or the last three you described -- over the last

20 years and designs with a GCL system perhaps over

the last 15 years.

But she concluded with, again, all


My understanding is that designs like

So I'm wondering if there's any

10

empirical studies which you're aware of that address

11

the effectiveness of these designs as contrasted with

12

the earlier ones?

13

Yes.

There are numerous publications out

14

there:

15

Council.

16

attention a couple of them.

17

misstate anything, I have -- this, I believe, was

18

E-mailed, but I would like to just read basically

19

directly from this.

20

dated 2005.

21

Performance of Contaminant Barrier System."

22

study he states the following:

23

and theoretical calculations show that composite

24

liners are substantially better than single liners in

25

terms of controlling leakage."

Giroud, EPA, Rowe, the National Research


I would like to just bring to your
And just so that I don't

One of the articles is by Rowe

And the title of that is "Long-Term


In his

"Field measurements

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Secondly, "Leakage rates with a composite

liner are very small, and diffusion will dominate as

a transport mechanism for contaminants that can

diffuse through a geomembrane.

which is what we have designed for the Pinon Ridge

project -- "provides an excellent diffusive barrier

to ions."

8
9

However, HDPE" --

Thirdly, "Composite liners involving a


geomembrane over a GCL" -- again, what we have for

10

the Pinon Ridge project -- "gave rise to

11

substantially less leakage than those involving a

12

compacted clay liner."

13

And finally, Rowe provides information

14

with regard to the long-term performance of HDPE

15

geomembranes with regard to their service life.

16

instance, the service life for the secondary lower

17

geomembrane is greater than 600 years based on his

18

research.

19

For

A fairly recent book was put out by the

20

National Research Council in 2007 that is titled

21

"Assessment of the Performance of Engineered Waste

22

Containment Barriers."

23

questions that are addressed are how well are these

24

engineered barrier systems working, and how long are

25

they likely to work effectively.

In that book the two primary

The important

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conclusion -- and I'll read verbatim from the book --

is based on --

MR. STILLS:

Are you offering these into evidence?

MR. SPAANSTRA:

MR. STILLS:

Your Honor, if I may.

No.

Just reading them aloud

during the hearing?

MR. SPAANSTRA:

MR. STILLS:

Yes.

I would object to

10

cherry-picking a few items out of these materials for

11

this testimony.

12

problem.

13

to go after the basis of any of these.

14

prevented from having any attempt to get these --

15

when we found out there was going to be rebuttal,

16

people were already making travel plans.

This is part of the disclosure

We had no time to be able to disclose -- or


We're

17

HEARING OFFICER:

I'll note the objection.

18

Do you have copies of these publications?

19

THE WITNESS:

20

MS. LUCAS:

I E-mailed them to you.


The publications?

Okay.

21

have this piece of paper, which I just E-mailed to

22

all counsel.

23

MR. STILLS:

Your Honor, if they're going

24

to come in as testimony, I would suggest that we have

25

the opportunity to see whether or not we want them to

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come in in total.

2
3

HEARING OFFICER:

cross-examine this witness on her testimony.

4
5

Well, you can

MR. SPAANSTRA:

I'm not offering them into

evidence.

HEARING OFFICER:

I mean, so why don't we

limit it to questions of this witness about her

opinions, and then we'll avoid the transfer of other

people's opinions into this process.

10
11
12

MR. SPAANSTRA:
Q

Thank you.

(By Mr. Spaanstra)

Let's move on to

another topic.

13

Certainly.

14

Dr. Maest commented that she understood

15

that liner compatibility testing was performed on the

16

HDPE geomembrane; is that correct?

17

No.

Her statement was incorrect.

It is

18

not so much the compatibility of the leachate and

19

raffinate with the HDPE that is of concern.

20

really the compatibility of the leachate with the

21

sodium bentonite in the GCL, the geosynthetic clay

22

liner, that's a concern because that can adversely

23

affect the permeability of the GCL.

24
25

But it's

Specifically, high ionic strength


solutions limit the ability of the sodium bentonite

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to swell.

And very low pH solutions can potentially

dissolve the bentonite materials.

we conducted a number of compatibility tests with the

leachate versus the GCL material.

synthetic leachate that was used for the testing had

a Ph of less than 2.

heard, the raffinate solution Ph was on the order of

4.4.

for the compatibility testing was as much as

So with that said,

Specifically, the

However, as I believe we've

And with that said, the synthetic leachate used

10

500 times more aggressive than that anticipated in

11

the field and is extremely conservative.

12

Was testing only performed for the 48-hour

13

period, as mentioned by Dr. Maest, or was it

14

different?

15

No.

That is certainly not correct.

The

16

48 hours was merely the period allowed for the

17

leachate to saturate the GCL under low pressures.

18

However, the testing duration ranged from about

19

30 days to -- one of the samples was run actually

20

over a year.

21

test is that the electrical conductivity and the Ph

22

of the solution measured coming out of the GCL must

23

equal that going in.

And the termination criteria for that

24

And why does that matter, that it's equal?

25

It shows that the test is complete, that

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the GCL -- that the permeability has stabilized of

the GCL.

Let's talk about the about bird netting

system designed for the evaporation ponds.

pointed out, I completely blew my cross-examination

of Dr. Maest on that question.

I'm going to try to ask you to see if we can get to

the truth.

As you

I messed it up.

So

The case, as I understand it, is that

10

originally the bird netting was designed with a

11

larger mesh and later reduced to 3/4 inches.

12

argued that the decreased bird netting size will

13

decrease the evaporation potential from the ponds.

14

In her testimony that I inartfully tried to ask her

15

about, she said that you agreed that the reduced bird

16

netting size would decrease evaporation.

17

comment on that?

18

Certainly.

Stratus

Could you

Her comment was incorrect.

In

19

my November 2nd letter I stated that I agreed with

20

Stratus Consulting that the bird balls, not the bird

21

netting, though relatively effective at deterring

22

birds, would limit the evaporation from the

23

evaporation ponds to the point where they would be

24

counter effective.

25

Would the bird netting have an effect on

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the evaporation rate?


A

Yes.

And this is clearly stated in the

evaporation pond design report, the appendix

associated with the water balance.

bird netting and the total dissolved solids in the

raffinate are both anticipated to influence the

evaporation rate.

measurements be taken during the early years of

operation to refine and calibrate the water balance.

10
11
12

It says that the

As such, we recommend that field

What if the bird netting limits

evaporation more than they planned, or you planned?


A

There are a number of contingency measures

13

that are included.

One of them is that there are

14

enhanced evaporation systems that have been designed

15

that are expected to, based on the current design,

16

only operate for about eight hours per day.

17

if the bird netting limits evaporation too much, we

18

can run those sprinklers for a longer period of time.

19

Secondly, with the designed raffinate flow

However,

20

rate, there is only the requirement for about

21

46 acres of the evaporation ponds as currently

22

designed.

23

80 acres of evaporation pond cells.

24

the evaporation is limited, we can just construct

25

more cells.

However, we have provided area for up to


So as such, if

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Let's move on to the issue of the vadose

zone, which was discussed quite a bit in both

Dr. Maest's and Ms. Travers' testimony.

testimony they both indicated that additional vadose

zone monitoring should be incorporated into the

groundwater monitoring plan at the facility.

subsequent testimony both by Mr. Filas and by

Mr. Tarlton, it was stated that additional vadose

zone monitoring wells likely will be required if the

10
11

license is reissued.
A

Yes, I do.

In that

In

Do you support that?


And I recently spoke with

12

Edgar Ethington of CDPHE to confirm that.

13

indicated to me that additional shallow and deep

14

ground monitoring wells will be installed on-site,

15

and addition surface water monitoring points off-site

16

will be identified after a final detailed design of

17

the facilities becomes available.

18

He

I'm glad you mentioned that because

19

Ms. Travers testified that it would be her view that

20

such a vadose zone monitoring plan be completed as

21

part of the permitting process.

22

I'll ask you:

23

Obviously -- well,

Do you agree with that?

The licensing process sets forth plans and

24

expectations for the project.

However, you cannot

25

know with 100 percent certainty exactly where every

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monitoring point needs to be until the detailed

designs are complete.

Let's move on to another issue, which was

the single wall versus double wall piping.

Ms. Travers articulated a desire for double wall

piping.

single wall would be better if contained for

observation purposes, for inspection purposes.

your November 2 report you made a suggestion to

Mr. Filas, in his testimony, said that a

10

enhance the single wall option.

11

that?

12

Certainly

Yes, certainly.

In

Could you describe

First, I agree with

13

everything that Frank indicated, that single wall

14

piping with a geomembrane-lined trench provides the

15

secondary containment required and also the

16

opportunity for visual observation of the piping if

17

anything were to happen.

18

we also add flow and pressure meters along the piping

19

system to monitor performance realtime during

20

operations.

21

Okay.

However, I recommended that

Finally, back to my favorite topic,

22

bird netting, in your November 2 report you agreed

23

with -- I think it was Dr. Maest who had a concern

24

about ice and wind loads.

25

recommendation in that regard to address that issue?

So do you have a

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Certainly.

If CDPHE issues the mill

license, I recommended that Energy Fuels consult

directly with the bird netting manufacturer in order

to get the detailed design such that it limits the

maintenance requirements of the system.

MR. SPAANSTRA:

That's all I have for this witness, Your

Honor.

9
10

HEARING OFFICER:
to go first?

11

MR. STILLS:

16

Sure.

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. STILLS:

14
15

Mr. Stills, do you want

I'll leave it up to you folks.

12
13

Thank you.

So it's your testimony that all liners

leak?
A

No.

That is not what I stated.

I stated

17

that there is seepage through liner systems as a

18

result of defects in the liner systems.

19

the Pinon Ridge project we are adding belts and

20

suspenders to limit, to the extent possible, any

21

defects in the liner system.

22
23
24
25

However, for

But it's your testimony that all defects

in the liner system cannot be eliminated?


A

No.

I'm not stating that all defects

can't be eliminated.

It's not known with complete

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100 percent certainty that we cannot eliminate all

defects with the measures that we are putting forth.

So you're trying hard, you can do a good

job, but even at best, some of the liquids might get

through?

I seriously doubt that given the system

that we have designed.

With the leak collection and

recovery system, the amount of driving head acting on

that lower geomembrane will be such that even if

10

there is any seepage, it will not saturate the

11

materials underneath the liner system.

12

You can say with 100 percent certainty

13

that there will be no liquids that make it through

14

the liner system at the site?

15
16
17

I don't believe that I can state with

100 percent certainty that.


Q

You've done your best?

You've tried to

18

put together a good liner system, but these are

19

designed by humans; is that right?

20

They are designed -- excuse me.

The

21

performance of a liner system is a result of the

22

design, the installation, the operations, and

23

maintenance of the entire system.

24

design, it would be a flawless system.

25

everything else that goes into play that really

So based on my
However, it's

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affects the performance of the liner system.

world?

solid monitoring system; is that correct?

Life playing out, things happening in the


And that's the importance of having a good,

Yes.

Monitoring systems are important.

However, we have addressed that.

In my November 2nd

letter I stated that there would be piezometers

installed in the alluvial wells to monitor the vadose

zone.

So we believe that we've incorporated

10

everything required in order to monitor the

11

performance of the liner systems designed for this

12

project, particularly given the hydrogeology of the

13

site.

14
15
16

Are there other alternative ways that one

could measure for -- or monitor for leaks?


A

There are additional -- there are other

17

things that can be done.

However, in our opinion,

18

those measures that we have taken are appropriate for

19

this project.

20

that we do not merely meet the prescriptive

21

regulatory requirements set forth.

22

those in our designs.

And it's further important to note

We have exceeded

23

So there's two options that you just laid

24

out, right?

25

the regulations, and the improvements you've put

The minimum requirements, as you read

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forward, correct?

Right.

And then there's also the legacy projects

that you put forward, which would be a no-liner

alternative, clay-only-liner alternative, single --

6
7
8
9
10
11

Not single composite, no; geomembrane only

without a clay.
Q

Okay.

And then a single composite?

You

had four charts up there.


A

The single composite is not one that has

been employed for the legacy projects, no.

12

Okay.

13

I said that there was another liner that

14

was not shown on the chart that is one that's been

15

associated with legacy issues.

16

So as a category of engineering methods

17

out there, we could look towards the legacy projects

18

and get those; is that correct?

19

I don't think I understand your question.

20

Your testimony is that the legacy

21

projects, their liners are worth considering?

22

Whether or not they're worth adopting, that's another

23

question?

24
25

No.

I'm saying for the legacy projects

they're inferior and that we have advanced to the

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point where our current liner system technology is

very good.

the liner systems demonstrate that the performance

not only meets the requirements but exceeds the

requirements that have been set forth and the

expectations that have been set forth.

And the publications out there show that

And Energy Fuels has liner technologies in

place at the White Mesa mill.

that?

10
11
12

Yes.

Are you familiar with

I am familiar with the White Mesa

mill.
Q

And those provide examples of other

13

alternative means that could be used for liner

14

systems?

15

I'm most familiar with Tailings Cell 4A at

16

the White Mesa mill, which was the one that they most

17

recently relined back in the late 2000s, mid 2000s.

18

And that liner system for Tailings Cell 4A was

19

imposed to the same prescriptive regulatory

20

requirements set forth for the Pinon Ridge project.

21

And that liner system also consists of a double

22

geomembrane with an intervening leak collection layer

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underlined by GCL.

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designed for the Pinon Ridge project.

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incorporated the additional measures of the

So it's similar to what we've


However, we've

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conductive geomembrane and the light-reflective,

white coating to the upper surface.

3
4

Tailings Cell 4A?

5
6

It's very similar with improvements,

correct.

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8

So it's better than the White Mesa

Is it the best option out there?

Could

there be improvements further?

Based on the regulatory requirements for

10

this project, we believe that it more than meets the

11

requirements.

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13

MR. STILLS:
back.

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15

Could you read my question

(Last question read.)


A

The double composite liner system is

16

really the best option with regard to what is the

17

standard in the uranium and general mining industry.

18
19

MR. STILLS:
again for us.

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21

Would you mind doing that

HEARING OFFICER:
Q

(By Mr. Stills)

Ask your question again.


Is the improvements --

22

are there improvements over the Energy Fuels' liner

23

that you designed that could actually make it even

24

better?

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Yes.

There are additional things that can

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be done.

requirements, and we've already provided improvements

over the prescriptive requirements.

However, we have more than met the

So although you've got the inappropriate

legacy, the minimum requirements, and the

improvements, we also have some things that could be

done even better if we had a look at them?

or not they're adopted is another question; is that

correct?

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11

Whether

Well, I believe where you are going with

this is, you know --

12

HEARING OFFICER:

13

question.

14

you.

No.

Just answer the

This is not an argument between the two of

15

Okay.

I guess I'll just say yes, I think.

16

(By Mr. Stills)

And are you familiar with

17

the quality assurance, quality control plan that's in

18

place at the mill, for the Energy Fuels mill?

19

Very much so.

20

How does it compare to the White Mesa?

21

I wrote it.

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, by talking

22

about White Mesa, he's going beyond the scope of

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direct.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. STILLS:

Overruled.

I'm sorry.

Could you read

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that back for me.

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3

(Last question read.)


A

I know certain aspects about the White

Mesa project.

design of the White Mesa project, nor do I know every

detail of the White Mesa project.

that question.

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9
10
11

However, I was not involved in the

So I cannot answer

I do not know.

(By Mr. Stills)

So you don't know if the

quality -- how the quality control plan stacks up


against that one?
A

If you don't know, you don't know.

I don't know.

However, I do know that we

12

went to a very high level with regard to that for the

13

Pinon Ridge project, requiring a significant amount

14

of control and assurance in the design.

15

And to state a little bit further, I do

16

not believe that the White Mesa mill required a

17

conductive geomembrane liner with a leak detection

18

survey.

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geomembrane liner and a leak detection survey as a

20

requirement as part of the QA plan for Pinon Ridge,

21

we've exceeded that at White Mesa mill.

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And because we do have the conductive

But my question is, as far as the quality

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assurance, quality control plan, you don't know what

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it is at the White Mesa mill, correct?

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Correct.

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So you can't testify as to whether this

one is better or worse or the best in the industry;

is that correct?

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I can say that I cannot comment as to if

it is better or worse than White Mesa.


Q

Okay.

And White Mesa is the only other

operating uranium mill in the United States; is that

correct?

Yes.

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So that would be an example to compare

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12

against; would that be correct?


A

Certainly.

And I have reviewed in the

13

past -- it's been several years now -- a number of

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documents from the White Mesa mill that were

15

available by public record.

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number of years, and my recollection fails me.

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20

However, it's been a

So you're aware that there are groundwater

contamination problems at the White Mesa mill?


A

That's outside of my area and specialty,

and I cannot comment.

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22

documents.

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You just testified that you reviewed those


Do you know?
What I indicated is that the documents

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that I reviewed had to do with the design

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specifically, just the design of Tailings Cell 4A;

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nothing prior to the design, only the design itself.

So you have nothing to offer as far as the

function or failure of success or anything else about

the White Mesa design?

I do not.

And you testified about the single

composite liner standard of care for the cyanide heap

leach and them lasting -- what was it?

portion lasts 600 years?

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11

me?

The clay

Could you clarify that for

What portion of the liner lasts for 600 years?


A

Okay.

The Rowe 2005 document indicated

12

that the secondary geomembrane, which is the lower

13

geomembrane in the double composite liner system, has

14

been proven to last more than 600 years.

15

But the other components of the liner

16

system wear out after a matter of decades; is that

17

correct?

18

No, that's not correct.

And the research

19

is not there to fully understand the long-term

20

performance of the geomembrane.

21

the research that has been conducted, which includes

22

accelerated aging of these geomembrane liners,

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they've shown that the HDPE geomembrane basically

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outlasts the tests that have been done.

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impossible to tell how long they really do last at

However, based on

So it's

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this point.

There's no information that you have that

would say that these liner systems would last a

thousand years; is that correct?

No, that's not correct.

And in fact, I

did a lot of research looking at the resistance of

the HDPE geomembrane, and I read a lot of articles on

the longevity of the HDPE geomembrane and accelerated

aging.

And what I found is there's nothing there

10

that shows how long it does last.

11

research that has been performed, it's been shown to

12

last more than a thousand years, generally speaking.

13

It was just the Rowe article where he had stated more

14

than 600 years.

15

Kerner and others at the Geosynthetics Research

16

Institute show longer life for the HDPE geomembranes.

17

But based on the

However, documents by Kerner and

And as far as all liners leak, you agree

18

that horizontal monitoring is one way to deal with

19

all liners leaking?

20

I believe that there are a number of

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different kinds of monitoring systems out there that

22

will provide an indication of the performance of

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liner systems.

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More than half a dozen, would you say?

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Yes.

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It's a wide range of alternatives we could

look at; is that correct?

monitoring.

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7

There are a number of alternatives for

The engineering methods are varying across

those alternatives?
A

Well, it really depends upon the things

that you're looking for as to what monitoring is

appropriate for a given application.

10

So you'd have to have good site-specific

11

data concerning the materials that you'd be handling;

12

is that correct?

13
14
15

Generally speaking, yes.

You would --

it's based on the characterization of the site.


Q

And the characterization of the materials

16

that would be going into the facility, as well, into

17

the tailings cell?

18

Not necessarily because really what you're

19

looking for is pore water coming out of the liner

20

systems, so no.

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23

It doesn't matter what you're putting into

the tailings cells?


A

Not as far as monitoring is -- okay.

Not

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as far as geotechnical monitoring is concerned.

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However, I cannot speak to the geochemical aspects of

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monitoring, as I'm not a geochemist, if there's

monitoring systems out there that I'm unaware of.

So you can't testify to what would be the

difference between a pH of 1.5 and a pH of 4.5 as it

applies to the raffinate and tailings cells; is that

correct?

I don't really understand your question.

Could you just ask the question again?

understand what you're saying.

10

I don't

You really don't understand the -- you

11

can't really testify about the different materials

12

and their effect on the performance of these tailings

13

cells if they had a pH of 1.5 versus a pH of 4.5; is

14

that correct?

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thing?

16

You just deal with the design of the

What I can say is that I know how the pH

17

of the solution going in affects the geomembrane

18

liner system and the competency of it and the GCL

19

material.

20

monitoring any contaminant other than seepage out of

21

a liner system.

22

What I was stating had to do with

So you wouldn't know how to go about

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monitoring for any particular contaminant?

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what you just said?

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That's

Unless you can collect a water sample and

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send it off for analytical testing.

expertise?

It's not within my expertise.

Okay.

Okay.

And that's not within your

Thanks.

And as far as the liner compatibility

testing, your tests were based on what comes out of

the vanadium circuit?

We actually looked at synthetic leachates

10

for the compatibility testing for the GCL that looked

11

at the chemistry of both the tailings leachate as

12

well as the raffinate going into the evaporation

13

pond.

So we looked at both waste streams.

14

Out of what point of the facility?

15

We looked at what comes out of the pipe

16

into the TSF and what comes out of the pipe into the

17

evaporation pond cells.

18

Out of the vanadium circuit?

19

What comes out of the pipe as the waste

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stream into those two facilities.


Q

So as far as you know, whatever is inside

of the facility is a black box; is that correct?


A

I'm not a mill designer, nor can I comment

to the components of the mill design.


Q

So if I were to tell you that the waste

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stream coming out of the uranium circuit does not go

through the vanadium circuit, you have no idea about

that; is that correct?

I cannot comment to that.

So you don't know?

I just know that there are two waste

streams, one going to the TSF and one going to the

evaporation ponds.

designers the chemistry of those, including pH and

We obtained from the mill

10

chemical constituents.

11

develop the synthetic leachates for the compatibility

12

testing of the GCL material.

13

state.

14

15

coming out of the mill; is that correct?


A

I cannot --

17

I'm sorry.

19
20
21

That is what I can

Based on only one type of waste stream

16

18

And that was what was used to

The two types of waste streams

you just said?


A

There's two types of waste streams coming

out of the pipe into those facilities.


Q

But you didn't look at the processing of

22

materials that didn't go through the vanadium

23

circuit?

24

I cannot comment to that.

25

You talked about perched groundwater at

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the site?
A

I did not specifically speak about that.

We do have an expert hydrogeologist, Roman, who is

available to talk about the hydrogeologic regime of

the site.

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7
8
9

Wasn't part of your testimony involving

the alluvium at the site?


A

In my rebuttal document that was issued on

November 2nd, I did take a look at the monitoring

10

well MW-2 that was identified by Stratus consultants.

11

Roman can comment more on this.

12

with clarity that two of the first three monitoring

13

periods detected a very small amount of water at the

14

bottom of those two holes.

15

monitoring period, no additional water has been

16

detected in that location --

However, I can say

However, since that

17

But you're not --

18

-- at MW-2.

19

Did you finish?

20

But I would like to further comment that

All right.

21

that does not characterize it as perched water.

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is a transient condition that shows that there may

23

be, on occasion, a little bit of water at that

24

location.

25

It

And by "transient" you mean that there's

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movement within the alluvium of various fluids; is

that correct?

Potentially.

It could move --

-- it's likely affected by a meteoric

climatic event.

you might see some water.

amount.

But --

So if there was a large rainstorm,

So rain comes in, moves through the

10

alluvium.

11

to be concerned about?

12

But it's a very small

It can move contaminants?

It's something

I'd like to again state that this is

13

outside of my area of expertise, and Roman will be

14

available to offer any testimony in regards to that

15

question.

16

But if it's a possibility, it's something

17

that should be monitored for, to see whether or not

18

the tails are leaking; is that correct?

19

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, she's already

20

testified that she's not an expert hydrogeologist.

21

We're going to have one here in five minutes.

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23
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25

HEARING OFFICER:

But she testified about

this subject matter so I'll allow cross-examination.


A

Okay.

To answer your question, we have

indicated that we will have realtime monitoring of

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phreatic conditions in the shallow alluvial

monitoring wells as part of the license condition.

We understand that will detect any phreatic

conditions if they were to occur in this vadose zone.

But we don't have that now?

We just have

a suggestion that they might do that someday if

that's what the CDPHE puts in the license?

have that to analyze as part of this hearing; is that

correct?

10

We don't

The data is not available to analyze as

11

part of the hearing, but the recommendation has been

12

put forth for addition of that monitoring equipment.

13

In your report there were several areas of

14

agreement where you thought Dr. Maest and Ms. Travers

15

did a good job and you agreed with their work; is

16

that correct?

17

I will not go on to say that I agreed with

18

their work, no.

19

couple of points in their letter that I did agree

20

with.

21
22

I will state that there were a

Do you recall when you began looking at

alternate liner designs for the Energy Fuels project?

23

From day one.

24

Do you recall when day one was?

25

After Golder Associates had us on contract

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with Energy Fuels and we started looking into the

regulatory requirements.

Would you --

2007.

So November 1, 2007.

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7

Do you recall

meeting with Energy Fuels about this?


A

We had a number of meetings with Energy

Fuels over the course of the project.

has been five years ago so I cannot remember exact

10
11
12
13

However, it

details of any meetings.


Q

And do you recall discussions with CDPHE

in those meetings?
A

We did have a number of meetings with

14

CDPHE over the course of the design.

15

was a long time ago, and I do not recall exact

16

details.

17
18
19

But again, it

Do you recall discussing any wiggle room

in federal requirements?
A

No.

And in fact, we went the other way by

20

going above and beyond the federally mandated

21

prescriptive requirements for the liner system.

22

we've indicated a number of times, our liner system

23

is designed to perform better than the prescriptive

24

regulatory liner system.

25

As

And as part of those meetings, did you

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meet with CH2M Hill?


A

We had meetings with CH2M Hill through the

course of the project, yes.


Q

And as part of those meetings, were they

talking about paste tailings?


A

I do not recall any reference to paste

tailings.
Q

Do you recall any reference to dry stack

tailings?
A

If you might recall the testimony provided

11

by Mr. Filas this morning, he clearly indicated that

12

there are huge issues associated with the use of

13

paste tailings and dry stack tailings, particularly

14

as it relates to use for a uranium tailings storage

15

facility.

16

your tailings to the point of a soil.

17

it basically to the optimum moisture content like you

18

would place soil for an embankment.

19

your material is dry to the point where radiation --

20

the radon off of the uranium tailings storage

21

facility would be very large.

22

With dry stack tailings, you are drying


You're drying

But by doing so,

As such, we went with a conventional

23

tailings storage facility design because it

24

necessitated keeping the tailings saturated and

25

mostly under a water cover so that the emissions were

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acceptable.

100 percent unacceptable for use on a uranium

tailings storage facility here in the United States,

given the regulatory requirements with regard to

emissions.

radon caps?

So paste and filtered tailings are

Do you have any expertise in designing

I do not have specific expertise in

designing radon caps.

However, I have overseen

10

analyses with regard to looking at the radon emitted

11

and how it is limited by the saturation level and the

12

water cover over tailings.

13
14
15

So you have no expertise here today on

radon emissions control technology?


A

I'm not an expert in that area.

However,

16

I do know saturation and water cover contribute to

17

alleviating that concern, which is why conventional

18

tailings was the selected option for this project.

19

MR. STILLS:

To the extent that she's

20

attempted to testify as an expert on radon emissions,

21

I would ask to strike that or give it no credit.

22
23
24
25

HEARING OFFICER:

You won't find that one

in the book anywhere, I don't think.


MR. STILLS:

Is there an objection to a

compound objection?

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DR. GROSSMAN:

MR. SPAANSTRA:

I'm just letting you go on

here, Travis.

4
5

I don't know what it is.

MR. STILLS:
Q

Yes, I see that.

(By Mr. Stills)

If I were to tell you

that there is a technology called continuous cover

that can be used in combination with dry stack

tailings that would deal with the radon emissions,

would that make a liner system --

10
11

MR. SPAANSTRA:

Didn't he just ask to

strike her testimony on radon emissions?

12

HEARING OFFICER:

13

MR. SPAANSTRA:

14

(By Mr. Stills)

It didn't get stricken.


Okay.
If I were to ask you to

15

assume that there's a technology called continuous

16

cover that was used to deal with the radon emissions,

17

would dry stack tailings be an option here?

18
19
20

I am unfamiliar with that particular

technology and unable to comment on it.


Q

But as an assumption or hypothetical, if

21

we could take away the problem of radon emissions

22

with a continuous cover technology -- that's a

23

hypothetical.

24

would that make -- that would make paste or dry stack

25

tailings an excellent, attractive option given the

You don't need to answer about that --

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lack of water at the site, wouldn't it?

have to worry about liquids?

worry about dewatering at the end of the lifetime of

the tailings cells?

MR. SPAANSTRA:

HEARING OFFICER:

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8

(By Mr. Stills)

You wouldn't

You wouldn't have to

Asked and answered.


Sustained.
Are you still working

with CH2M Hill on this design?

No.

10

They've been taken off the project?

11

To my understanding, that's correct.

12

So as you're going forward with this work,

13

you're not in contact with anybody at CH2M Hill

14

concerning their basic engineering report; is that

15

correct?

16

I am not.

However, I really did not have

17

a lot of interaction with them with regard to their

18

basic engineering design anyway.

19
20
21
22
23

Have you ever seen the basic engineering

design report?
A

I believe it's available on the CDPHE Web

site, in which case I've had access to it.


Q

So your testimony is based on whatever you

24

have been able to find on the CDPHE Web site; is that

25

correct?

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My testimony is really based on those

documents for which I personally prepared or oversaw

the preparation thereof.

4
5

Junction tailings impoundment?

6
7

Are you familiar with the Crescent

Yes, I am familiar with the Crescent

Junction tailings.

Are they stacking the tailings dry there?

Well, in the case of the Crescent Junction

10

tailings -- and I was involved in this project back a

11

number of years ago and the characterizing of the

12

uranium tailings at the Moab tailings impoundment --

13

there are a couple of very important points that I'd

14

like to say there.

First --

15

I didn't ask for your testimony on the

16

whole thing.

17

like an answer to my direct question.

I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I would

18

Certainly.

19

Are they stacking the tailings in there

20

dry, or are they slurrying them?

21

Well, the tailings were placed many, many

22

years ago in Moab and were already consolidated, to a

23

large part, which meant that they were relatively

24

dry.

25

rewetting the tailings and piping them to Crescent

So my understanding is no, they were not

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Junction.

They were scooping out the tailings and

hauling them in trucks.

beast.

So it's a very different

They're actually drying them out before

they put them in trucks to ship them out; isn't that

correct?

I actually do not know.

I haven't been

involved in the project in a number of years.

I know

that the internal tailings were still pretty sloppy

10

even though they'd been there a long time.

11

doesn't surprise me that they needed to dry them out

12

some.

13

So it

And that provides an alternative to look

14

at for how one might handle tailings; isn't that

15

correct?

16

I would say no, because we're talking

17

about an operating mill versus a tailings impoundment

18

that was placed many, many years ago and left to sit,

19

and now people have decided that they want to move

20

the tailings pile.

21

situations.

22

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25

So it's two very different

But the technology being used would be

something to look at?


A

I won't say that, no, because you're

looking at moving old tailings that have been sitting

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in a pile for many, many years.

they are using is purely for material handling so

that they can transport it to Crescent Junction,

period.

The technology that

So Crescent Junction, in your testimony,

is irrelevant to what's happening at the White Mesa

mill -- I'm sorry -- with the Energy Fuels Pinon

Ridge proposal?

I would say that it's a very different

10

situation.

11

liner system design, which is much less -- or much

12

different than here where there is no geomembrane.

13

They're just placing it directly on the shale.

14
15
16
17
18

However, I do also know some about the

And that's because it's stacked dry; is

that correct?
A

It's because the shale has low

permeability by itself.
Q

So it's a better site as far as being able

19

to contain the tailings?

20

much engineering as you do at the site chosen by

21

Energy Fuels?

22

You don't have to have as

I won't say that.

I'll just say that that

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particular site was very conducive due to the thick

24

layer of shale present.

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And that's something to look for when

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you're choosing a site, is a good, thick layer of

shale right underneath?

I would say that that's a near impossible

thing to find.

interesting site, but you're not going to find a

thick layer of shale anywhere that you wish to put a

mill.

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9
10
11

The Crescent Junction site is a very

But if you found a good, thick layer of

shale, that might be a good place to look for as an


alternative site for the mill, correct?
A

You could argue that by putting this

12

particular mill on the salt, that is a very low

13

permeability layer very similar to the shale.

14

doesn't need to be shale.

15

So it

My question, again -- and listen

16

carefully, please -- is if you were to find a shale

17

site like Crescent Junction or perhaps Crescent

18

Junction itself, that would be an attractive

19

alternative site, would it not?

20

It would be an attractive site, but there

21

are features of the Pinon Ridge site that also make

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it equally attractive.

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And if one were to compare the two, you

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might have a way to choose between them as far as

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which is better concerning impacts; is that correct?

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Potentially.

MR. STILLS:

Nothing further, Your Honor.

I'm sorry.

I have one more question, one

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more set of questions.


Q

(By Mr. Stills)

You testified that you

were working on the NESHAPs?


A

I had some involvement on the NESHAPs,

that's correct.
Q

Are you currently working on the NESHAPs

permit?

11

No, I'm not.

12

And that is, for the record, the

13

National -- could you go ahead with the acronym

14

because I don't have it in front of me.

15

National Emissions Standards --

16

For Hazardous Air Pollutants.

17

You got it.

Or between us, we got it.

18

Yes.

19

And that standard is Subpart W; is that

20

correct?

21

22

certainty.

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25

That sounds correct.

I can't state with

I believe that's the case.


And are you familiar with the state of

those regulations under Subpart W?


A

No, I'm not.

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MR. SPAANSTRA:

Your Honor, what's the

relevance of that permitting process to this

proceeding?

HEARING OFFICER:

But go ahead and finish your questions.

MR. STILLS:

She testified to it so I

assumed that it was somewhat relevant.

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9

I don't know.

MR. SPAANSTRA:

She testified that it was

part of her qualifications, that she'd worked on it.

10

But she had no testimony about NESHAPs.

11

issue.

12

irrelevant to this proceeding.

It's not an

It's a federal process that is totally

13

HEARING OFFICER:

I'm sorry.

I'm not

14

familiar enough with it to say it's relevant or isn't

15

relevant.

16
17

Go ahead and ask your question.


Q

(By Mr. Stills)

So when you did your work

18

under NESHAPs on this, were you aware that that

19

regulation was considered outdated?

20

No, I wasn't aware.

I merely provided

21

some response to comments by the EPA on the tailings

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cell design.

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And that tailings cell design is ongoing;

is that correct?
A

After the mill license is issued, the

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tailings cell final detail design will be completed.

However, it will not look much different than what

you've seen in the permit documents.

But the EPA permitting system under the

Clean Air Act, the NESHAP Subpart W, considers the

interplay between the radon cap and groundwater so

they haven't figured out yet what the groundwater

protection component of that permit would be, that

approval would be; is that correct?

10

I do not know and cannot state.

11

So if I were to say that -- I'm done.

12

Thank you.

I appreciate it.

13

HEARING OFFICER:

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DR. GROSSMAN:

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MR. GOAD:

You should have it in an

DR. GROSSMAN:
Got it.

MR. SPAANSTRA:

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DR. GROSSMAN:

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Shall I turn this off?


For the reporter, you can

turn it off.

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24

Well, maybe to -- okay.

Okay.

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22

Could you put up that

E-mail.

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Yes.

slide, the first slide?

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Do you have a question?

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I'm just curious about the technical side

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of this as far as the units and what they refer to

just for my own edification.

today.

meter cubes per second so that's similar to cfs?

that what we're looking at?

I'm learning something

Is q some kind of flow rate that's given in


Is

Yes.

So the letter q -- the small q, or we use

a capital Q in hydrology -- but it's the flow rate.

And the flow rate depends upon the viscosity of the

10

fluid; is that correct?

11

flow rate calculation?

Does that work into that

12

Basically, but it assumes water.

13

Water.

14

Uh-huh.

15

Is it temperature dependent?

16

No.

17

In your note -- it says, "Note:

The viscosity of water?

Compares

18

liners with 3 feet of clay."

19

centimeters per second, not centimeters q per second.

20

Is that a mistake?

21

And that unit is in

No, it's not a mistake.

What that means

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is that's the permeability, which is k.

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actual equation --

So the

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Go ahead.

25

It's a little bit different here because

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there's a lot of parameters involved so it's a Giroud

equation.

However --

HEARING OFFICER:

THE WITNESS:

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6

It's a what equation?

Giroud.

It's G-i-r-o-u-d.

In hydrogeology you look at q equals KiA

where q is your flow rate.

K is your permeability.

(By Dr. Grossman)

The 10 to the minus 7 centimeters per

Uh-huh.

second is k, not q.

10

We can talk about the details of this

11

later.

12

I can give you a paper on it.

13

Okay.

How do you repair these linings if

14

a leak is detected?

15

systems.

16

after that?

17

You have these leak detection

What if a leak's detected?

What happens

You put patches on, and then you test the

18

patch doing vacuum testing to make sure that the

19

patch is appropriate.

20
21

But the way I understand it, you've got

all these tailings over this lining, right?

22

The --

23

So you've got to dig them out?

24

But your question -- the testing is done

25

at completion of installation of the liner system as

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part of the quality assurance plan that it's been

installed properly.

Okay.

But if you find -- let's say the

thing lasts 40 years, and there is some kind of

corruption or something happens, and you get a leak.

It seems to me that if this thing is at the bottom of

the tailings pile, somehow they're going to have to

get to it to repair it.

Am I right or wrong on that?

Yeah.

10

I'm right?

11

Basically.

12

Okay.

13

If there's a leak detected, then that

14

would be noted by flow rates that are high in the

15

leak collection and recovery system layer.

16

Okay.

Is there a way to specify exactly

17

where this leak occurs in this 80 acres or whatever

18

acres you're going to end up with?

19

you don't want to have to take up the whole doggone

20

thing to look around for a leak.

21

must be some way to say exactly where it is.

22

what your membrane does?

23

No.

Is it -- I mean,

You know, there


Is that

There's no way to tell exactly where

24

it's located.

You have to do an investigation to

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find where the flaw is.

However, the action leakage

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rate is what would determine failure of the primary

liner system.

flow capacity of the leak collection and recovery

system layer.

flow rate, then that tells you that there is a

problem, and you do need to take care of it.

And the action leakage rate is the

So if you are getting that sort of

So do you know how long from your

experience and things that you've looked at if one of

these things goes wrong and they do have to, you

10

know, take the whole thing off and go around looking

11

for a leak and then patch it, test it, like you say,

12

and then put everything back, how long does that

13

take?

14
15

Two weeks?
A

A month?

I can't comment.

It's purely a function

of how much material is in the cell.

16

Okay.

Last but not least, the evaporation

17

ponds that are -- not -- well, evaporation ponds,

18

too.

19

this white material.

20

material is underneath to begin with, and you're just

21

putting it on there to detect if there's flaws in the

22

installation when you see the black on it?

But also, it was interesting.

You mentioned

But I understand now the white

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There are --

24

This is before -- excuse me.

25

This is

before you put in the tailings; isn't that correct?

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There are a number of types of

geomembranes on the market.

geomembranes has the light-reflective, white coating

co-extruded with the black so the liner comes that

way.

not adding anything.

7
8
9

One of those

It already has the white coating on it.

Okay.

We're

But that coating is so that you can

find flaws during installation?


A

It has a number of benefits, and one of

10

them is enhancing the ability for visual detection of

11

defects during installation and even beyond, after

12

installation.

13

are not covered with tailings, you'll still see the

14

white coating.

15

that identifies a defect that you need to repair.

16

The white coating -- for areas that

And if you see black through it, then

These tailings are covered with water, the

17

way I understand it.

And that water probably seeps

18

through the tailings.

You just keep putting it on

19

and keep putting it on, and it seeps through, and

20

then it goes out to whatever collection.

21

relates to the water needs, especially in a drought.

22

But as this water is cycling through, do you have any

23

information on the increased evaporation of this

24

water due to the fact that these tailings -- the

25

color of these tailings, that if these tailings are

This

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dark, the water temperature will rise, and

evaporation will increase as a result of that water

temperature rise?

I have a couple of comments on that.

One,

I think that it's been noted somewhere, at least,

that bird balls will be placed on the tailings cells

so that birds don't go swimming in the tailings cell

water.

dramatically decrease the amount of evaporation off

And I've also noted that bird balls

10

of those cells.

11

not getting much evaporation off the top, and you're

12

protecting the tailings cells from water fowl.

13

So by having the bird balls, you're

Also, the underdrain system that I

14

discussed, which is placed above the upper

15

geomembrane, it will be pulling water off to decrease

16

the driving head on the liner.

17

it's going to be recycled and placed on top of the

18

tailings cells.

But at the same time,

19

Okay.

20

So I don't think that's an issue.

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DR. GROSSMAN:

That's all I have.

Thank

you.
HEARING OFFICER:

Mr. Sandler, do you have

any questions?
MR. SANDLER:

Just briefly.

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MR. SPAANSTRA:

I'm sorry.

Hold on.

turned it down because of the background noise so I'm

going to turn it back up.

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5

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. SANDLER:

6
7

You were just talking about the bird

balls, correct?

Yes.

And they don't do anything to cover the

10

beach sands that surround the tailings ponds, do

11

they?

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13
14
15
16
17
18

No.

They'll be placed on the water

surface.
Q

Okay.

And as far as you know, there's

nothing to cover those beach sands?


A

I can't comment on how much beach sands

would actually be exposed, but generally -Q

Okay.

Now, as far as the bird balls go,

19

they don't cover all the water, correct, or the

20

liquid?

21

The purpose of bird balls is to try to

22

cover as much of the water surface as possible.

23

you should add more bird balls to try to cover the

24

entire water surface.

25

And

So is it fair to say the amount of bird

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balls would have to be adjusted on a pretty regular

basis?

That may be the case.

And do you have any idea if that's a part

of the plan here?

I can't comment on that.

Okay.

And as you said, the idea of the

bird balls is to cover as much water as possible.

But is it fair to say that it doesn't cover all the

10
11

liquid in these tailings ponds?


A

I can't comment on that either because the

12

goal with bird balls is to cover the entire water

13

surface so you should be adding more bird balls to

14

accomplish that.

15

16

the liquid?

17

18
19

Okay.

But it's not a complete cover of

It should be a complete cover of the

liquid.
Q

So you're saying that there won't be space

20

in between the balls where liquid is visible or along

21

the edges?

22

I can't comment on that.

I just can

23

comment that as far as the design of bird ball

24

systems is concerned, it's generally accepted that

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you would put enough bird balls in such that you're

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limiting, to the extent practical, any exposed water

surface.

Okay.

Thank you.

Now, just quickly about the liners.

You

spoke about them being tested to a period of about a

thousand years.

Did I hear that correctly?

I indicated that there is research out

there where they've done accelerated aging, and

they've demonstrated a longevity at least as long as

10

a thousand years.

11

Okay.

12

I don't know that the testing is available

13
14

How about 500,000 years?

to demonstrate that.
Q

Okay.

Is there any thought behind the

15

technology that would ensure that you gain protection

16

for up to 500,000 years?

17

I think that it's irrelevant.

Because as

18

part of the closure of the tailings cells, the

19

tailings will be dewatered.

20

a liner system has to have water in it and has to

21

have driving head.

22

tailings cells, there will not be water in the

23

tailings cells so seepage through a liner system

24

500,000 years from now is irrelevant because there's

25

no water.

And any seepage through

So as part of closure of the

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But would you agree that there's a

potential that water could leak in from the top after

thousands of years?

As part of the closure cover design, the

amount of infiltration into the cap will be limited

significantly to where very little to negligible

water would actually flow in.

8
9
10

Okay.

But there's a potential for some to

flow in in the distant future?


A

Not really.

I mean, the thing is, it

11

wouldn't have any impact because it would be

12

extremely negligible amounts, particularly given that

13

the closure cover design was revised during the

14

licensing process to incorporate a geosynthetic clay

15

liner which significantly reduces the amount of

16

seepage involved.

17

very little, if any.

18

as far as how much infiltration might actually go

19

into the tailings cells.

20

will be dewatered in order to construct the closure

21

cover so there will not be any water in the tailings

22

cells.

23

24
25

And with that said, there would be


And I haven't seen the numbers

But again, the tailings

So it's very -- it's insignificant.


Okay.

But you didn't do that research

into the distant future?


A

I don't know that I really understand your

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question.

modeling was done that shows that in the future the

amount of infiltration into the closure cover is

negligible.

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7
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9

But the closure cover design was done, and

And when you say "future," you're talking

about a thousand years?


A

I believe that the design looked at a

thousand years, but I cannot comment with certainty.


Q

Okay.

But it's fair to say that the

10

effects in 20,000 years were never analyzed?

11

could be an effect?

12

I don't think so.

13

You didn't analyze that?

14

I did not analyze that.

15
16

MR. SANDLER:

Okay.

HEARING OFFICER:

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DR. GROSSMAN:

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HEARING OFFICER:

20

THE WITNESS:

How big is a bird ball?

Can I ask a question?


Well, I just asked one.

They look very similar to

the little balls that the kids play in at McDonald's.

22
23

Nothing

further.

17

21

Thank you.

There

HEARING OFFICER:

So 3 or 4 inches in

diameter?

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THE WITNESS:

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DR. GROSSMAN:

3 or 4 inches in diameter.
Can I ask a question?

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Yes.

RECROSS-EXAMINATION
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Q

Do you think these bird balls would

survive -- you've heard me describe a windstorm,

60-mile-an-hour winds at 10 meters, so let's just say

for argument's sake 40 near the surface.

survive a windstorm, or would they just get all blown

around down there to my front yard?

10

I can't comment on that.

Would they

That's outside

11

of my area of expertise.

12

speaking, during operations the water surface and the

13

tailings surface will be much lower than the level of

14

the berms outside.

15

actually pick up and launch the balls out of the

16

tailings cell will be pretty limited, I would say.

17
18

20

23
24
25

They'd loft them up?

So this is an area for research, in my


opinion, if it hasn't already been --

21
22

So the ability of the wind to

Or they could create eddies that would do

just the opposite?

19

However, generally

HEARING OFFICER:

Dr. Grossman, questions.

(By Dr. Grossman)

Do you think that this

should be an area of research?


A

No, I don't think it should be an area of

research.

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HEARING OFFICER:

the day already.

have any more questions for this witness?

MR. STILLS:

5
6

I'm sorry.

I realize it's late in


Okay.

Does anybody

I do have one.

RECROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. STILLS:

It's your testimony that you weren't

involved with the closure cover for radon at this

site; is that correct?

10

I was involved with the initial closure

11

cover design.

12

redesign that incorporated the GCL.

13
14

However, I was not involved with the

So you can't testify to the current cover

closure design; is that correct?

15

That's correct.

16

MR. STILLS:

17

HEARING OFFICER:

18

Anybody else?

Can the

witness be released?

19
20

Thank you.

Hearing no objection, thank you for


testifying.

21

Let's taken 10 minutes.

22

(Recess from 2:00 p.m. to 2:14 p.m.)

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HEARING OFFICER:

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25

Who are you calling

next?
MS. LUCAS:

Roman Popielak.

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HEARING OFFICER:

If you would, raise your

right hand.

(Roman Popielak sworn by the Hearing

Officer.)

HEARING OFFICER:

THE WITNESS:

HEARING OFFICER:

THE WITNESS:

HEARING OFFICER:

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State your full name.

Roman Popielak.
Spell it, if you would.

R-o-m-a-n P-o-p-i-e-l-a-k.
Your witness.

ROMAN POPIELAK,

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being first duly sworn in the above cause, was

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examined and testified as follows:

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DIRECT EXAMINATION

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BY MS. LUCAS:
Q

Hello, Mr. Popielak.


MR. STILLS:

I'm sorry.

I do need to

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lodge or continue forward the objections that were

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made more generally.

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today as a rebuttal expert.

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the timing issues, but there has been no rebuttal

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report provided by Mr. Popielak.

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report to even review to prepare for this testimony.

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MS. LUCAS:

Mr. Popielak is being called


And I won't go through

We have no rebuttal

Mr. Popielak was disclosed as

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a witness with our September 20th initial

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disclosures.

He has a resume, a CV, and his rebuttal

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also is in his reports that were --

MR. STILLS:

No report, Your Honor, was

even disclosed at that time.

received was a list of documents in the application

and the disclosure of what he has.

his testimony is irrelevant.

in.

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We're past direct.


MS. LUCAS:

If I may, all we

I would say that

We have the documents

We have no rebuttal report.


Mr. Popielak listened to

Ms. Travers' discussion of the vadose zone.

And we

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understand she has questions about that so we wanted

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to call Mr. Popielak to give Sheep Mountain an

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opportunity to ask those questions.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. STILLS:

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MS. LUCAS:

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Are these in the record?

Yes.
Yes.

Those are part of the

application.
HEARING OFFICER:

All right.

Your

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objection is there's no -- a portion of your

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objection is there's no separate rebuttal report

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endorsement?

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That's part of it?

MR. STILLS:

Yes.

Part of it is, there's

no -- yes, exactly.
HEARING OFFICER:

All right.

I'm going to

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allow the witness to testify.

We'll address your

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objection further when you get to the end game of the

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arguments in this exercise.

MR. STILLS:

Thank you.

HEARING OFFICER:

And I will return these

unless you want me to -- I guess I've been keeping

them.

MR. STILLS:

I would like those as

MS. LUCAS:

They're in the record.

HEARING OFFICER:

exhibits.

So let me clarify one

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thing.

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Exhibit 32 the Caroline Lee E-mail of 9-20-2012.

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going to mark as Sheep Mountain Alliance Exhibit 33

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the Golder Associates report of September 19, 2012.

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I'm going through the documents you gave me.

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going to mark as Exhibit 34 this one-page summary of

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sections of the application.

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I'm going to mark as Sheep Mountain Alliance

MR. STILLS:

And I'm

Those are documents that were

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attached to the expert report or the expert

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disclosures and were asserted as the opinions to

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which he would testify on direct.

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I'm

HEARING OFFICER:

All right.

But that's

how they're marked, so that we have a record.

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MR. STILLS:

Okay.

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(Sheep Mountain Exhibits 32-34 admitted.)

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HEARING OFFICER:

Go ahead.

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(By Ms. Lucas)

today.

questions about your education and employment

background in order to qualify you as an expert.

am going to do my best to pay attention to speaking

slowly and precisely for the court reporter, and I'd

ask you to please do the same.

I'm going to start by asking you a few

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Thank you for being here

Can you please describe your educational


background.
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I received master's degree in geological

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engineering in 1964 from Academy of Mining and

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Metallurgy in Krakow, Poland.

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recognized in the United States as equivalent of

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master's degree in engineering by accredited

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university in this country.

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university?

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My diploma has been

Was it accepted by a particular

No.

It was accepted by diploma evaluation

services in process of my professional licensing.


Q

Okay.

Can you please tell us some of your

mining and engineering employment history.


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For several years I work as the

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hydrogeologist for copper mines in Western Poland,

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working on recognition and prediction of water

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hazards in the mine as well as hydrogeological

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characterization of the mined area.

immigration to the United States in 1971, I worked

for a few years as assistant professor at University

of Idaho School of Mines.

the position as consulting hydrogeologist and working

for several employers.

profession until today.

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Okay.

After

Afterwards, in 1978, I had

I continue this line of

Thank you.

And you mentioned some

work --

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I'm turning this down for our hearing.

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I'm not turning my volume down for them.

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the record reflect I'm not muting us on the phone.

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You mentioned employment in the private

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sector and in education.

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working in the public sector?

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Just let

Do you have any experience

In public sector, I conducted several

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projects.

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sector was working as principal hydrogeologist for

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waste isolation pilot plan in New Mexico from year

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1979 to 1983.

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pressurized brine pockets, brine occurrences, in

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proximity to underground openings to assess their

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potential impact or lack thereof and integrity of

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mine excavations to host transuranic waste.

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My first involvement in private -- public

The job entailed characterization of

THE REPORTER:

Excuse me.

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HEARING OFFICER:

Sorry.

(By Ms. Lucas)

transuranic?

Spell it.

Another public -Could you spell the word

T-r-a-n-s-u-r-a-n-i-c.

Another public sector job was design and

implementation of groundwater supply for Colorado

Division of -- Colorado Department of Natural

Resources, Division of Wildlife.

The water supply

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was for fish hatcheries in Buena Vista.

And the

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Division of Wildlife wanted to displace surface water

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from being diverted to hatcheries with groundwater to

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prevent whirling disease to the trout, the trout

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fisheries.

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Another public sector work -- and this is

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ongoing -- is design of the underground openings for

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DUSEL, Deep Underground Science and Engineering

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Laboratory, in former Homestake mine in Lead, South

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Dakota.

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National Science Foundation as well as Department of

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Energy, Fermi Laboratories in Chicago.

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of this work is to design the large excavations

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5,000 feet below grade to host a variety of

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astrophysical research outside the influence of

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cosmic ray.

The work is done under the auspices of

The objective

And this work also entails handling the

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mine inflows and characterization of groundwater

regime at this depth and at this location.

MS. LUCAS:

Okay.

Thank you very much.

At this point I'd like to offer

Mr. Popielak as an expert in hydrogeology and water

resources.

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HEARING OFFICER:

Do you have

questions, Mr. Stills, on voir dire?


MR. STILLS:

No, Your Honor.

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MR. GOAD:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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Voir dire?

No questions.
Mr. Sandler, do you have

questions on voir dire?

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You really muted him.

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MS. LUCAS:

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Did you hear the question, Mr. Sandler?

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MR. SANDLER:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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I didn't mean to.

I did not.

for the witness in terms of his expertise?

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MR. SANDLER:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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DR. GROSSMAN:

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Do you have voir dire

I do not, no.
Dr. Grossman?

I'd just like to know what

professional societies you're a member of.


THE WITNESS:

International Groundwater

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Association, Society of Mining Engineers, Colorado

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Mining Association, and I am also a registered expert

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for the International Atomic Energy Agency in Vienna.


Q

(By Ms. Lucas)

Okay.

Can you please

describe your interaction or your involvement with

the Energy Fuels Pinon Ridge mill license

application.

Since 2007 I was involved in development

of this project, particularly being oriented on

hydrogeology characterization of the project area,

findings and definition and quantifications of

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groundwater resources, definition of the boundaries

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of the aquifer once the resources are found, and

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determination of availability of groundwater for

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future development of the project.

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Last week we heard from Ms. Constance

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Travers of Stratus Consulting about the vadose zone.

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Were you listening to that testimony?

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Yes.

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Okay.

What did Energy Fuels do to

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characterize the vadose zone at the Pinon Ridge mill

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site, particularly under the proposed tailings cells

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and evaporation ponds?

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Within the project area, there were

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35 wells and monitoring wells, pumping wells and

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monitoring wells, installed to characterize the

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geological regime.

In addition to those 35 bore

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holes installed specifically for hydrogeological

purposes, there was approximately -- I think 43

geotechnical bore holes, all of them penetrating

vadose zone.

information has been gathered in the vadose zone,

which we define as the soils and rocks between the

ground surface and occurrence of groundwater.

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Therefore, significant amount of

Okay.

So the vadose zone is between the

occurrence of groundwater and --

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And surface.

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And surface.

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Thank you.

Ms. Travers talked about water she called

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perched water in the vadose zone.

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perched water found at the site during these

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investigations?

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How often was

My knowledge, based on the situation from

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about two years ago, three years ago since I was,

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let's say, involved with this project, perched

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groundwater or appearance of perched groundwater,

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that's this way, was documented in two bore holes

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located in the northern section of the project,

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outside the northern boundary of the underlaying

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productive or significant aquifer.

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Ms. Travers discussed perched water found

in other monitoring wells.

What about that?

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There were several monitoring wells that

were drilled, and eventually they got some water.

The question is where the water came from.

first bore hole which encounter groundwater was

relatively shallow, was MW-2.

Let's say

Was relatively shallow?

Shallow, about 27 feet below grade.

This

water, as Ms. Morrison stated, was very erratic.

other words, after drilling, about 2 feet of water

In

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was found on the bottom of the well.

In subsequent

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testing, this water just disappeared.

So we don't

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consider this location as presence of any sort of

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perched water.

Simply, that water is not there.

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I'm sorry.

You said this location --

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Is not considered a location of perched

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water.

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Okay.

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However, there were wells advanced to the

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greater depths.

There was the Well No. 21, 22, and

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23 of the EX series.

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for several days.

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the bottom of these wells was found.

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opinion -- and not only opinion, but based on my

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experience -- there are two mechanisms that could

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cause presence of the water in these wells.

These wells were initially dry

After several days, saturation at


In my

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Two mechanisms?

Yes.

The first one is perched water.

Perched water occurs when unsaturated seepage from

throughout the vadose zone encounters impermeable

layer.

so we see some degree of groundwater occurrence at

this elevation.

presence of water in wells in apparently dry

formation or not saturated formation is the fact that

The water cannot go any farther fast enough

Second mechanism that can cause

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once the well is dried and left open, the water

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interstitial moisture --

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Interstitial moisture?

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Yes.

This is the moisture that is

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contained between the grains of sand, silt, some

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solid matter.

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always feel that the soil is moist.

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can be liberated into the well if there is a

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mechanism, if there is a way for the moisture to come

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into the well.

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When we excavate to certain depth, we


This moisture

What happens when the well is drilled?

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Initially the well is dry, as observed on the Pinon

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Ridge site.

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the well is at atmospheric pressure.

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pressure outside the well is called lithostatic

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pressure.

However, in this well, the pressure in


However, the

What is the pressure differential doing?

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It's driving the water into the well.

And how big

this pressure differential can be?

pressure is about 14.7 psi, one bar or one

atmosphere, technical atmosphere.

pressure outside the bore hole is about 1 psi per

1 foot of depth.

which is corresponding probably depth of those

monitoring wells, there is a significant pressure

differential to drive moisture into the well.

Atmospheric

Lithostatic

So let's say at 300 feet depth,

And in

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my opinion, this is the mechanism which caused the

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water to be present in the well a few days after the

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well was dry -- drilled.

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moisture to come there.

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It took some time for the

If there were just perched water, existing

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saturation, we would detect it in two ways.

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first one, the wells were drilled with air rotary

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method.

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well were removed by the air, blown in the air from

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the well.

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overseeing the drilling would notice some droplets to

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the surface, indicating that there, indeed, was

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saturation.

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consequence, the well was dry for some time.

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The

What it means, all the cuttings from the

If there were water, driller and person

This thing has not been noticed.

Nevertheless, there is water.

So in

But we

believe that this water, first thing, is in the

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formation in the static form.

anywhere.

therefore, this I would classify as a well of

interstitial -- collection of interstitial moisture

rather than perched water.

observed at many locations, especially during the

time when we were investigating hazardous waste

sites, let's say, for refurbishment to the RECA

standards.

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It doesn't move

It's not saturated formation.

I'm sorry.

And

This phenomenon has been

But at the Pinon Ridge site,

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it was -- you think that the water that was found in

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the monitoring well was this interstitial water, not

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perched water?

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Yes.

Is that what you're saying?


And this is not separate phenomenon.

It has been documented and observed elsewhere.


Q

Okay.

So what's the importance of the

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difference between perched water and interstitial

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water found in the monitoring well with respect to

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that water's ability to transmit potential leakage

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from the tailings liner, if there were any such

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leakage?

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Significant is next to none.

The reason

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for this statement is such:

First thing, this water

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is static, is not continuous, is not a continuum and

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is not contiguous with other water bodies.

Anyway,

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we do not have evidence for it.


Q

Okay.

The interstitial water is not

contiguous to other water bodies?


A

That's correct.

The second thing is that

this water is well below any potential recipient of

the seepage if the hypothetical contamination was

there because it's on the elevation of about three

plus hundred feet below grade.

as other users' wells, are well, well above this

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depth.

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And arroyos, as well

So the interstitial water is below the

arroyos or anybody else's --

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That's correct.

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So did you -- I'm sorry.

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make sure.

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leakage to the interstitial water, it would not move?

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And anyway, you don't think the leakage would get

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that deep?

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That's correct.

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Okay.

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Another point which I would like to make

I just want to

Did you just testify that if there was

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is that this kind of moisture and water, even

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accumulated in the wells or even of certain limited

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extent, has no utility for monitoring the leakage

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through the liner if anything could happen.

And the

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reason for this statement, to support this statement,

I'm citing the distance between the bottom of the

pond and uppermost occurrence of the perched water

above the Hermosa formation.

Let's assume that there's 300 feet of

vadose zone.

For small leakage, if it would happen

from the liner, it would take well in excess of a

thousand years to reach this depth, assuming

permeability of the intervening strata being, I would

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say, on the low side, about 10 to minus 4 centimeters

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per second.

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So you're saying that even if the vadose

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zone had a low permeability or a high -- was

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permeable --

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Yes.

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-- that leakage from the liner would still

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take almost a thousand years to reach -A

Yes.

This is fact, that the vadose zone

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has permeability.

It is permeable.

The question is

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how permeable.

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vertical, the leakage, it is supported by literature,

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research, and practice that the vertical permeability

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perpendicular to the layering is at least 10 times

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less than horizontal.

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permeability has been documented on the side being

And since the movement is always

Therefore, horizontal

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10 to minus 3 of centimeters per second.

reasonable to consider 10 to minus 4 centimeters per

second for vertical permeability.

It is

For this permeability, we are talking

about thousands of years, about a thousand years,

plus or minus -- it's difficult to calculate this

thing exactly -- for the contaminant to reach the

groundwater, accumulated groundwater, let it be

perched or interstitial, and being monitored for

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leakage.
Q

How about this horizontal permeability?

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Ms. Travers testified that even if there's no water

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in the vadose zone, if there was a leak in the liner

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system and if this fluid reached the vadose zone, the

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fluid could then escape in some way.

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to that, please?

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Can you speak

Spread of the contaminant could happen

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only at the location, depth and location where

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impermeable layer is evident.

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borings as well as hydrological investigation

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documented that the first impermeable layer are the

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evaporites, soils, of Hermosa formation which is

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about three to four hundred feet below grade at the

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location of the mill.

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And geotechnical

Now, if this spread happens, the question

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is how big the spread would be.

Please continue.

As Kim Morrison demonstrated, if the

leakage happens through the liner, there will be

three layers of liner which is quite, I would say,

remote possibility; nevertheless, existing.

leakage would be in a very, very small rate.

this small rate, again, will travel for a long time

down to the vadose zone to the first occurrence of

The
And

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Hermosa formation.

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detectable, it has to be very significant to spread

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over this moist zone at the contact.

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And second thing, to be

So then is it your testimony that if there

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was a leak in the liner and the leak reached the

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vadose zone, that that would not move, particularly?

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It will not move certainly to any

recipients of the useable significant groundwater.

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MS. LUCAS:

Okay.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. STILLS:

Thank you.
Cross?

If Dr. Grossman wants to go

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first, that will give me a second to pull up

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something.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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to you to ask questions.

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DR. GROSSMAN:

Mr. Stills is deferring

Yes.

I have a question.

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CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY DR. GROSSMAN:
Q

There does seem to be controversy about

whether there's perched water on the site or not.

Your sampling system -- I want to ask a few questions

about first the wells and how you might be able to

determine whether that water is perched or not.

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You described two things that could be


happening in the wells.

One, that it's perched water

10

that has gotten in there, and secondly, it's gotten

11

in there by diffusive pressure differences which are

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substantial.

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here is actually even greater because we're so high.

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Half the atmosphere is already below us at this

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altitude.

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taking the water out and having continuous monitoring

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to see how long it takes for the water to come in.

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And that would be short time periods for perched

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water, right, and longer time periods for diffusion?

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By the way, the pressure difference up

It seems to me you could test this by just

Yes, sir, that's correct.

There were

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several -- again, there was a well, one well, MW-9,

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that indicated presence of water in the well.

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water was evacuated by blowing or abating, and it

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took 33 days.

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The

How long?

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33 days for the water to recover.

And to

me, this is indication of diffusive transfer of

water.

that came into contact with Hermosa, deeper wells.

Those wells were also evacuated, and it takes in the

range of days for the water to come back.

were perched water, it would be detected immediately

by drilling or immediately after drilling.

be present.

However, we have also wells which I mentioned

If there

It would

However, this time lag between

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advancement of the well and occurrence of water is an

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indication of diffusive transfer of moisture into the

12

well.

13

Thank you.

I think they know where the

14

location of these tailings cells or things that could

15

leak are located or are roughly located.

16

expansive area around this particular area where

17

leaks might occur, do you think that

18

ground-penetrating radar might be able to detect the

19

presence of perched water?

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I am afraid not.

In an

I don't know what is the

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contrast detection of ground-penetrating radar.

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one thing, please, consider is kind of physical

23

limitation of detection of the perched water or

24

leakage under the liner.

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the vadose zone is always occurring vertically.

But

Unsaturated seepage through

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However, certain dispersivity is to be considered.

Dispersivity depends on the heterogeneity of the

material but usually is assumed to be one-tenth of

the vertical distance.

So let's assume that we have certain

acreage of the pond, and leakage happens at XY

location.

lysimeters outside the perimeter of the tailings

impoundment, we will see nothing because the leakage

If we put any sort of monitoring

10

and transfer will happen at some distance from

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lysimeter.

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dwell on the response to this question.

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are some U.S. techniques.

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been using ground-penetrating radar to detect certain

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kinds of voids in rocks, certain excavations or

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discontinuities.

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18

With ground-penetrating radar, I cannot


Maybe there

But in my practice, I've

Could you, for the people in here, tell us

what a lysimeter is.

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Lysimeter is a device that works exactly

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on the principle of diffusive flow.

And it is device

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to monitor moisture -- interstitial moisture in the

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vadose zone, in the zone of unsaturated flow where

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the groundwater is not present yet moisture is in the

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zone.

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put so-called porous -- they call it in practice

How this is being done in the bore hole, we

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porous cup or porous tip.

This tip is installed at

certain elevations, certain depth, and is absolutely

sealed from the rest of the bore holes.

spaghetti tubing is extended to the surface.

certain number of days, since the lysimeter is

exposed to the atmospheric pressure, the pressure

differential, diffusive pressure, drives water into

the lysimeter, and it can be collected for sampling.

Yet the
After

Through that tube?

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Through this tubing with the suction or --

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there are some mechanics, or you may have some --

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there are some other devices possible.

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lysimeters display through the measurements in the

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tubing much higher pressure than the surface, meaning

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that lithostatic pressure is driving the water into

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the device.

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DR. GROSSMAN:

Thank you.

And usually

I have nothing

else.
HEARING OFFICER:

Did that help you come

up with your questions, Mr. Stills?


MR. STILLS:

Actually, it helped me

eliminate a couple.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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Go ahead.

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. STILLS:
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So you were not here for the -- I should

say good afternoon.

You were not here for the

hearings last week in person; is that correct?

I was not here in person.

So you could not see the display and what

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10

the testimony entailed as far as the projection and


the images; is that correct?

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This is correct.

12

So the information you have was

13

transmitted to you by your attorneys concerning what

14

it is they presented visually; is that correct?

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16

No, I did not.

However, I've been

listening to the testimony on the phone.

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So you just heard them over the phone?

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Yes.

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Okay.

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No.

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You were here through the breaks and

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Did you miss portions of it?

stayed on the whole time?


A

No.

I was not here through the breaks.

was taking breaks.


Q

So you took breaks during the testimony?

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Is that what you said?


A

No.

When you were taking break, I was

taking break.
Q

All right.

I'm sorry.

And I appreciate

your patience with my ear for your accent.

Do I have accent?

Or your ear for my accent, perhaps.

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And you testified about 35 bore holes for


one purpose and 43 bore holes for another.

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were not drilled for the purpose of testing

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groundwater recharge; is that correct?

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Those

Which portions -- which bore holes you

have in mind?
Q

You testified about 35 bore holes to

characterize the geological regime and 43 for --

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Hydrogeological regime.

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Okay.

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Yes.

19

So for those 78 wells, those weren't for

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Hydrogeology?

the purpose of testing groundwater recharge?


A

No.

They were not testing for groundwater

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recharge.

However, each time the drilling is being

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done for whichever bore holes, the overseeing

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geologist is collecting all information, including

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occurrence of water, should such water be

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encountered.

But you weren't there for the drilling?

No.

I want to ask about these -- you talked

No, I was not.

about a recharge test for MW-9?

Yes.

That recharge test was not used for these

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9

78 wells we just discussed; is that correct?


A

10

as outlier.

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That's correct.

This well was considered

And these bore holes, they provide now a

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potential source for vertical transport of

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groundwater at that site?

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No.

The wells are sealed.

I mean,

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sealed -- the annulus of the well is sealed.

The

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annulus of the well -- in other words, the space

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between the formation and casing -- is sealed.

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Does casing ever fail?

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Excuse me?

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Does that kinds of well casing ever fail?

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Not on this project.

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I haven't seen it

failing.
Q

Have you examined this project for

failures in the wellbore casing?


A

No.

But I've been informed that the wells

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are being operational and functioning.


Q

And for these 80 or 78 wells, are they

being monitored for any leaks in the wellbore?


A

First thing, there are no 78 wells.

are only 35 wells that have been installed for

monitoring -- groundwater monitoring purposes.

wells that were for geotechnical purposes are

abundant upon drilling after completion.

There

The

As of monitoring -- or let's say testing

10

the wells for leakage within the liner, no, it has

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not been done.

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situ uranium recovery operations where by statute the

13

wells have to be tested for integrity, but the wells

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are operating different ways.

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wells where the pressure is being applied into the

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casing, and any sort of failure could cause excursion

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of lixiviant.

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integrity and not tested for leakage.

This practice is very common in in

So no, those wells are not tested for

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fuels site?

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That's correct.

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Okay.

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25

They are injection

The wells at the site, at the Energy Fuels

Your testimony concerns a vadose

zone 300 feet deep; is that correct?


A

In locations -- in the locations of the

project facilities, yes.

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Your testimony is not applicable to a

vadose zone that may be 20 feet deep; is that

correct?

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5

Not necessarily.

It's applicable to all

thickness, entire thickness of the vadose zone.

But you did not conduct an analysis of a

vadose zone that might be 20 feet deep; is that

correct?

No occurrences of moisture were found

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below this -- above the contact with Hermosa

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formation.

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done.

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15

Therefore, no investigation has been

You did no shallow groundwater

investigation?
A

Shallow groundwater investigation have

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been conducted in the well MW-2, which was 27 feet

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deep, and water happened to be present there.

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However, water disappeared.

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water was in response to some meteorological event

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and not being perched zone, perched water.

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And we believe that this

So water was found at that shallower

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level, indicating a vadose zone might exist at

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20 feet.

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investigation of where that water came from or where

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it might have gone?

When you saw that, did you do any further

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No.

sampling event.
Q

The water disappeared in the next


There was nothing to investigate.

And if the water were to have returned,

should that have been analyzed?

Absolutely, but the water did not return.

So assume that the water would have

returned.

analysis that you did for a 300-foot vadose zone?

Would you have conducted the same type of

Absolutely.

We would bail out the water,

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evacuate the water from the well.

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the rapidity of recovery and would certainly document

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the water levels and fluctuation of water levels

13

versus time.

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15

We would monitor

And that wasn't done at this site; is that

correct?

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Excuse me?

17

That was not done for a --

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It was not done because there were no

19

media to test.

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this thing is being done on the other wells which are

21

located at the contact of the Hermosa formation.

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Simply, there was no water.

However,

And it's your testimony that you haven't

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had anything to do at this site for two or three

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years, so since 2009?

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No.

It was just periodic conversation

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with management of Energy Fuels Resources that

monitoring is going on, and essentially records are

being collected.

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So if there's any changes since 2009, you

wouldn't be able to testify to those?

That's correct.

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MR. STILLS:

Okay.

Your Honor.

HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. GOAD:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. SANDLER:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MS. LUCAS:

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No more questions,

Mr. Goad?

No questions.
Mr. Sandler?

No questions, Judge.
Any redirect?

I just have one quick

foundational question here at the end.

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(By Ms. Lucas)

Did you read the report

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from Stratus Consulting dated, I believe, December of

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2010?

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Yes.

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MS. LUCAS:

Okay.

That's all.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. STILLS:

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THE WITNESS:

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(Recess from 3:02 p.m. to 3:15 p.m..

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HEARING OFFICER:

Can he be released?

Yes.
Thank you.

Mr. Moore, you're doing

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this one?

MR. MOORE:

HEARING OFFICER:

(Sandra Lynn Goodman was sworn by the

Hearing Officer.)

HEARING OFFICER:

State your full name, if

you would.
THE WITNESS:

Sandra Lynn Goodman.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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THE WITNESS:

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Raise your right hand,

if you would.

Yes.

Spell your first name.

Sandra, S-a-n-d-r-a Lynn,

L-y-n-n, and then Goodman.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. STILLS:

Got it.

Your Honor, if I may go

15

ahead, objection.

16

identifying and disclosing her on September 20th.

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There was no report disclosing her on October 5th.

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The first we ever heard or knew of this person who's

19

being brought forward to be sworn as an expert was on

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November 2nd when we got a rebuttal report.

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There was no report issued

I would say that the others are close with

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the way things moved around, but it was very strict

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between us when we negotiated the schedule that we

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had some time to deal with folks.

25

stand back from the previous objections, the

While I don't

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objections on this witness are particularly

noteworthy because we had nothing to go on until five

days before the hearing, no ability to see whether or

not we wanted to do discovery, no ability to know

anything about her background.

So I think this is a worst case as far as we're

concerned.

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MR. MOORE:

We're here flat cold.

Well, Edge did submit their

initial expert report on September 20th.

They also

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submitted their rebuttal report on November 2nd.

11

Sandy was integral to the preparation of both of

12

those reports.

13

some of Dr. Power's testimony but also to give Sheep

14

Mountain Alliance and the others time to

15

cross-examine her and investigate her findings.

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We brought her here today to rebut

HEARING OFFICER:
individuals.

The Edge report lists

Doesn't this individual --

MR. STILLS:

Your Honor, I have the

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transmittal of Energy Fuels' experts' disclosures.

20

There was no Edge report transmitted.

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something about Stratus, and we identified four

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people from the Stratus report that we might call.

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We called two of them.

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25

We transmitted

There was no Edge -- we weren't given a


heads up to even do any research on this witness

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until November 2nd.

they withdraw this witness because it was a surprise.

We did get no response from them, but that was to be

expected given the speed at which things were moving

in this hearing.

dire.

And I did ask at that time that

I have no ability to even voir

MR. MOORE:

Here on this report of

September 20th, she was mentioned on the first page

of --

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MR. STILLS:

I'm sorry.

I'm not sure what

you're referring to.

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MR. MOORE:

Okay.

This is the

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September 19th report prepared by Edge Environmental.

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It was submitted, I believe, on September 20th.

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she's mentioned on the first page of that, on the

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cover page.

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exhibit in the back, Sandra L. Goodman.

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HEARING OFFICER:

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MR. MOORE:

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HEARING OFFICER:

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And

And her CV or resume is listed as an

Mr. Spaanstra.

Can I see that?

Sure.
This went to

Was it provided to --

MR. SPAANSTRA:

In the September 20th

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disclosure of our expert witnesses and their reports.

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And again --

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Hang on a minute.

Was

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this report -- I'm looking at a September 20, 2012

E-mail sent at 6:11 p.m. that makes references to a

DVD.

from Edge?

Was this report in that DVD, this cover letter

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MR. MOORE:

I think we're looking right

now.

HEARING OFFICER:

MR. STILLS:

so I know what we're looking at.

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Yes.

Show it to Mr. Stills.

I'd like to take a look at it

This report was provided, but the

11

witness list that was provided never identified

12

Sandra Goodman, only Frank Filas and Mary Bloomstran.

13

And the lead author of this is not being presented,

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only some of the folks who helped her out.

15

think we should have been able to guess that they

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were going to bring Ms. Goodman here.

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noticed.

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provided according to the schedule.

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say that this is an unfair surprise.

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I don't

She was never

She's not on the witness list that we were

MS. LUCAS:

And I would just

Your Honor, I would say that

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nobody knew at the time the witness lists were given

22

out that anybody had any witnesses.

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Mountain didn't even provide a witness list on the

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date witnesses were supposed to be identified.

25

given the spirit of being fast and loose with the

I believe Sheep

And

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rules, so to speak, we identified Ms. Goodman in our

initial disclosures and then identified her as a

witness definitely going to be here.

example, Sheep Mountain didn't solidify its witnesses

unless they closed their case at this hearing.

Ms. Goodman was also a prime author of the

socioeconomic aspects of the environmental report.

We're bringing her here to make her available for

questioning.

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MR. STILLS:

Whereas, for

And

And Your Honor, the reports

11

that were released with that cover letter are the

12

report for the proposed Pinon Ridge project,

13

potential effects to Colorado pike minnow,

14

environmental report, and the Pinon Ridge wildcat

15

habitat improvement plan.

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report in their license in here at all.

There's no socioeconomic

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MS. LUCAS:

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within the environmental report.

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MR. STILLS:

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The socioeconomic report is

It was not disclosed as an

expert report.
MS. LUCAS:

It's within the environment

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report, which was disclosed as an expert report, and

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she was listed as a primary author of that report.

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HEARING OFFICER:

I'd like to have a

record of what was provided and when it was provided.

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So this is in the environmental report that's in the

application?

MS. LUCAS:

Yes.

Yes, Your Honor.

We

submitted the environmental report.

the application as the expert report from the Edge

Environmental team, who listed Sandra Goodman as one

of the primary authors of the environmental report on

September 20th.

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10

HEARING OFFICER:

MR. STILLS:

If you don't, you may have

that one.

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Do I already have a copy

of this?

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12

That is also in

HEARING OFFICER:
32.

I have it.

It's marked

Let me give this one back.

15

Okay.

I'll note the objection.

I'll hear

16

argument on it.

17

testify.

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without getting whatever in, getting it all in.

19

I may elect to exclude it at some point in the

20

process, but go ahead.

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I'm going to allow the witness to

I'm not going to let us get away from here

MR. MOORE:

And

Thank you, Your Honor.

SANDRA LYNN GOODMAN,

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being first duly sworn in the above cause, was

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examined and testified as follows:

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DIRECT EXAMINATION
BY MR. MOORE:

Ms. Goodman.

questions here initially to qualify you as an expert.

Could you please describe your educational

background.

Thank you for being here today,


I'm just going to ask you a few

I have an undergraduate degree, a bachelor

of science degree in economics from Utah State

10

University.

11

business administration from the American Graduate

12

School of International Management, which is also

13

known as Thunderbird, in Glendale, Arizona.

14

Additionally, I have completed graduate work in

15

econometrics.

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17
18

I have a graduate degree, a master's of

Thank you.

Could you please describe any

academic research you've performed.


A

My academic research includes work with

19

The Political Economy Research Center in Bozeman,

20

Montana.

21

Environment Research Center.

22

risk perception and risk assessment associated with

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Superfund.

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resource allocation, the incorporation of

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environmental values into investment decisions made

It's now called the Property and


That work focused on

I also have conducted research into

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in Romania and Hungary.

And I have conducted research -- led a

research team at the University of Portsmouth in

England, assessing the environmental value -- looking

at ways to incorporate the environmental value of

coastal resources for investment decisions made by

the Ministry of Agriculture, Fisheries, and Food.

addition to that research work, I've taught economics

courses at colleges and universities in Montana,

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11
12
13

In

California, Romania, and England.


Q

Can you please describe some of your

professional background and experience in economics.


A

Since 1997 my work in the private sector

14

has included work conducting socioeconomic analyses

15

for NEPA review, for oil and gas, mining, pipelines,

16

other industrial developments on federal lands in

17

Colorado, New Mexico, Oregon, Utah, and Wyoming.

18

I've conducted housing market research assessments

19

for banks considering investments in multifamily unit

20

housing developments.

21

utilities and NGOs, nongovernmental organizations, to

22

develop strategies to comply with The Clean Air Act.

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MR. MOORE:

And I've also worked with

At this point I'd like to

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proffer Ms. Goodman as an expert in socioeconomic

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HEARING OFFICER:

the objection we have before us.

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Voir dire, subject to

VOIR DIRE EXAMINATION


BY MR. STILLS:
Q

Good afternoon, Ms. Goodman.

Your work on

this project was limited to the preparation of a

socioeconomic analysis; is that correct?

Yes.

No other areas that you worked on?

10

I worked on land use, transportation, and

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12

socioeconomics.
Q

And Edge Environmental, are you aware of

13

how much compensation they received from Energy Fuels

14

for preparing these reports?

15

No.

16

Are you aware of a current contract for

17

doing a NEPA analysis for Energy Fuels concerning

18

their water supply?

19

No.

20

Are you aware of any communication between

21

your firm and Energy Fuels concerning this future

22

contract?

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No.

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Might this contract already be in place?

25

I have no idea.

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You have no idea.

We would need to ask

Ms. Bloomstran questions about the relationship

between Edge and Energy Fuels; is that correct?

Yes.

So yours is a very limited knowledge and

role?

There may be financial dealings going on

between the two organizations, but you wouldn't be

able to testify to that; is that correct?

What part of that was a question?

10

You would not be able to testify here as

11

to the financial relationship between Energy Fuels

12

and Edge; is that correct?

13

That's correct.

14

Your experience is assisting companies to

15
16

get through the NEPA process; is that correct?


A

I work with Edge Environmental, who

17

conducts the NEPA documents, the environmental impact

18

statements and the environmental assessments that

19

federal agencies -- the BLM and the Forest Service --

20

conduct to evaluate proposed industrial projects on

21

that federal land.

22

And your experience is limited to working

23

for industry who has proposed these projects and is

24

putting together an analysis; is that correct?

25

Within the NEPA process.

My -- within the

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MR. STILLS:

Okay.

previous objections, no further voir dire.

MR. GOAD:

HEARING OFFICER:

MR. SANDLER:

HEARING OFFICER:

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No questions.
Mr. Sandler?

No questions.
All right.

DIRECT EXAMINATION (resumed)


BY MR. MOORE:
Q

Ms. Goodman, did you prepare a report for

this hearing?
A

Yes.

I was part of the team that prepared

the environmental report.


Q

Was this in response to Dr. Power's

15

report?

16

report, I believe.

17

Subject to the

And I'm referring to this November 2nd

Okay.

I can show it to you.


I'm sorry.

Yes.

I was still on

18

the why am I here, because I worked on the

19

environmental report.

20

written testimony submitted by Dr. Power, yes.

I completed a rebuttal to the

21

MR. MOORE:

22

HEARING OFFICER:

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Okay.

I'd like to -Has this previously been

delivered?

24

MR. MOORE:

Yes, it has.

25

(Discussion off the record.)

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MR. MOORE:

I'd like to offer this as --

what exhibit are we on here?

Fuels Exhibit 5.

HEARING OFFICER:

As Exhibit 5, Energy

All right.

Subject to

the same objection that was already made, it will be

admitted.

(Energy Fuels Exhibit 5 admitted.)

MR. MOORE:

9
10

And Ms. Goodman also has a few

slides that she's going to be referring to in her


testimony.

11

Did you E-mail that to the parties?

12

MS. LUCAS:

13

I can do that right now.

(By Mr. Moore)

14

Dr. Power's testimony.

15

testimony last week?

These directly address

Did you listen to Dr. Power's

16

Yes.

17

It was on the phone?

18

Yes, on Friday afternoon.

19

Okay.

We heard on Friday that Dr. Power

20

believed that the Pinon Ridge socioeconomic analysis

21

was inadequate.

22

the analysis that was included in your report.

23

Yes.

Can you please explain the basis for

The analysis -- the socioeconomic

24

analysis included in the environmental report met the

25

standards set by decision makers in the permitting

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process.

National Regulatory Commission, NRC; the CDPHE

guidance for environmental reports for uranium mills.

It also met NEPA guidelines for socioeconomic impact

analysis.

The report met the standards set by the

MR. STILLS:

I'm sorry.

I'd like to

object to the witness testifying to legal

conclusions.

requirements.

10
11

MR. MOORE:

These are requirements, in her

opinion, that she believes they met.

12
13

She's testifying that these met the

HEARING OFFICER:

I'll take them as her

opinions.

14

I'm sorry.

Yes, they meet my --

15

(By Mr. Moore)

Just to clarify, as

16

well -- I'm sorry to interrupt you -- it's the

17

Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

18

typo in that.

19

Oh, I'm sorry.

I think we have a

It's nuclear.

And also

20

Nuclear -- the NRC and Office of Management and

21

Budget or OMB guidance for cost benefit analysis.

22

How would you account for the differences

23

among some of the various economic studies that were

24

performed on the Pinon Ridge mill regarding the

25

estimated number of jobs that would be created by the

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mill?

This is a slide with a table in the slide,

the table that was included in Dr. Power's

presentation on Friday.

that estimated jobs associated with the Pinon Ridge

mill.

It includes five studies

Three of the studies -- the studies by

Energy Fuels, Montrose County, and Power

Consulting -- estimated jobs associated with the

10

Pinon Ridge mill using the IMPLAN economic model.

So

11

within those three studies, all of the differences in

12

the estimated number of jobs between Energy Fuels,

13

Montrose County, and Power Consulting, the difference

14

in the total jobs can be explained by the inputs that

15

were used in the IMPLAN model.

16

So real briefly, the way that IMPLAN model

17

estimates the jobs associated with the project is the

18

first step is to identify the area where the project

19

is spending and where the jobs that are associated

20

with that spending will occur, so you define the

21

study area.

22
23
24
25

Energy Fuels -HEARING OFFICER:

Let me interrupt.

IMPLAN meaning -THE WITNESS:

I'm sorry.

I-M-P-L-A-N

stands for impact assessment so it's called the

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IMPLAN.
A

It's a software tool that estimates jobs.

It estimates those jobs based on the study area

that's specified for a particular project that's --

the study area and the number of direct jobs and

spending that are associated with that project.

And the differences in the estimated jobs

can be explained by differences in those three

inputs.

The study area defines the region in which

10

the estimated jobs will occur.

11

includes a project's -- most of the project's

12

suppliers, its contractors, and most of the places

13

where people who work at the project will spend their

14

wages, where they do their shopping, where do they go

15

to a doctor.

16

the process, to IMPLAN's process of estimating jobs

17

because it identifies, again, that area where the

18

spending will occur.

19

And that study area

So identifying the study area is key to

I identified a study area that includes

20

Montrose County and San Juan County, Utah, because I

21

believe that's where most of the project's spending

22

will occur.

23

area that includes a four-zip code area of the West

24

End of Montrose County.

25

area, most of Energy Fuels' suppliers and contractors

Dr. Power's analysis identified a study

However, that four-zip code

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are located outside that four-zip code area.

And based on my interviews with residents

of the West End in terms of asking them where they go

shopping -- if they need to do a major grocery store

run, where do they go?

Wal-Mart, Target, or City Market, which everybody who

lives here has to do, they said they generally go to

Montrose, which was why we included all of Montrose

County into -- incorporated that in our model.

10

If they have to go to

So in summation, those are the three

11

primary differences.

12

difference in the total jobs.

13
14
15

That's what explains the

(By Mr. Moore)

Could you speak a little

bit on the direct employment input?


A

I'm sorry, yes, and the direct employment.

16

The direct employment and the direct spending

17

associated with the mill are the other two inputs.

18

Because employment and the spending by the project

19

determines how much money will circulate within the

20

study area's economy to create the additional jobs.

21

Energy Fuels estimated that 85 jobs will

22

be associated with the mill so our model incorporated

23

85 direct jobs.

24

65 jobs at the mill.

25

Fuels' estimation that 80 percent of those 85 jobs

Dr. Power's model only includes


And that's based on Energy

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would be filled by current residents of the study

area.

jobs would be filled by new residents who would move

to the study area to take those jobs.

analysis did not take those jobs into consideration.

Energy Fuels estimated that 20 percent of the

Thank you.

Dr. Power's

Tell me, with what you know

about the IMPLAN model, what would you do if you

wanted to underestimate the number of jobs associated

with the project?

10

If you wanted to underestimate the number

11

of jobs, you'd restrict the study area to an area

12

that included none of the project's suppliers and

13

none or very few of the places where anybody who

14

worked at the mill would spend their wages.

15

Secondly, you'd underestimate the direct employment

16

and spending associated with the project.

17

So in your opinion, do you believe

18

Dr. Power's report underestimates the economic

19

impacts of the Pinon Ridge mill?

20

Yes, because the spending and the jobs

21

associated with the project will occur.

22

occur.

23

area that the Power report identified as the study

24

area.

25

They will

They'll just occur outside the four-zip code

Okay.

Thank you.

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So now I'd like to turn to the issue of

environmental stigma that Dr. Power discussed in his

testimony and in his report.

literature have to say about the stigma associated

with uranium mining and uranium milling?

What does the economic

The literature on stigma generally

addresses potential impacts to property values,

population immigration, business growth, and the

tourism industry.

Four recent studies address stigma

10

as it relates to uranium facilities.

11

reports acknowledge that no economic model can

12

reliably predict how people will react to the

13

presence of a uranium mill in a particular location.

14

All of those

However, based on their interviews with

15

local business leaders and community leaders,

16

researchers in four of these studies -- Chmura

17

Economics, another firm called RTI International out

18

of Research Triangle Park, North Carolina, and George

19

Mason University found that local efforts -- or

20

efforts to attract businesses to an area where there

21

was --

22
23
24
25

MR. STILLS:

Your Honor, I would object to

her testifying to other people's reports.


MR. MOORE:

I would say she's testifying

as to her understanding of the findings of these

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reports.

MR. STILLS:

never been revealed.

get them.

5
6
7
8
9
10
11

They've never been provided,


We never had the opportunity to

THE WITNESS:

Your Honor, Dr. Power

referenced all of the reports on Friday.


HEARING OFFICER:

Well, if they're

included in Power's report, I'll allow it.


MR. STILLS:

They were not included in

Dr. Power's -THE WITNESS:

They're not included in

12

Dr. Power's report because they were completed after

13

his report was completed in 2010.

14

that he had a copy of the reports with him.

15

MR. STILLS:

On Friday he said

When asked by these guys.

16

never came through counsel.

17

bit of a surprise to me on the stand.

18

MR. MOORE:

It

It was actually a little

Well, Dr. Power actually

19

indicated that he participated in the preparation of

20

these reports, if I'm not mistaken.

21

HEARING OFFICER:

The witness can testify

22

as to opinions she has formed.

That may or may not

23

include these reports.

24

as to what the reports say, that's just flat hearsay

25

unless it's on the table.

If the witness is testifying

And she can't testify to

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that.

So ask her her opinion.


Q

(By Mr. Moore)

In your opinion what do

these reports say about the economic impacts of

uranium mills and uranium mines in their particular

locations?

Okay.

In my opinion, based on what is

written in the reports, the researchers found

inconclusive and limited evidence concerning the

stigma associated with uranium mines.

Again, the

10

researchers reported that in their interviews with

11

business community leaders, they had found no

12

evidence that the presence of a uranium mill or the

13

prospective presence of a uranium mill had harmed or

14

hurt -- I'm sorry -- harmed or helped their efforts

15

to attract business to an area.

16

So overall my opinion, again, based on

17

what the researchers -- authors of those reports said

18

were their conclusions, they were inconclusive.

19

reports did say that in instances where stigma was

20

associated with an undesirable facility, that the

21

effects of stigma were generally limited to within

22

five miles of such facilities.

23

The

So in your expert opinion, what do you

24

think we can expect on the potential for stigma

25

related to the Pinon Ridge mill?

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To the extent that any stigma did exist, I

believe that it would be contained within five miles

of the facility.

4
5

Thank you.

Just a couple more questions

here for you.

Dr. Power also mentioned that over

100 jobs could be created by performing reclamation

of existing uranium sites in this region.

have any idea where that money might come from to

10
11
12
13

Do you

perform that reclamation?


A

That information was not included in his

report.
Q

Thank you.

Dr. Power also mentioned that

14

we were being selective on the choice of reports that

15

we brought forth to support the license.

16

Dr. Power being selective in his analysis, as well,

17

in your opinion?

18

In my opinion, he was.

Isn't

I think that's

19

evidenced by his identification of a restrictive

20

study area over which to estimate jobs associated

21

with the mill, his interpretation of general and

22

inconclusive research in the literature on stigma,

23

and his dismissal of interviews, speaking with people

24

in the local area, because he has empirical data to

25

support his conclusions.

I disagree with that

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approach.

2
3

MR. MOORE:

That's

it.

4
5

Thank you very much.

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. STILLS:
Q

Basically you've testified that the stigma

literature says you can't take general conclusions

and put them in a specific place; is that correct?

Can you say that again?

10

You testified that you can't take the

11

results of another study on stigma and understand

12

what will happen in another place; is that correct?

13

14

information.

15

read that I'm familiar with go so far as to say that

16

the results -- would use the results from any

17

particular area to predict what would happen in

18

another area.

19

You can understand.

You can get

But none of the studies that I have

The studies don't do that.

So you need to do that study for each

20

particular area to draw any conclusions concerning

21

the stigma effect; is that correct?

22
23

I think that's a nonsensical question, but

it's a "yes" or "no" one, right?

24

Correct.

25

Okay.

So what is it?

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MR. STILLS:

(Page 1,627 Lines 19 through 21 read.)

Would you read that back.

That study being a stigma, a stigma

associated with a particular facility in a particular

location, if you wanted to accurately assess the

stigma associated with a facility in a location,

particular location, yes, you'd have to look at that

particular area.

9
10

(By Mr. Stills)

That wasn't done here; is

that correct?

11

I'm sorry?

12

The environmental impact analysis -- are

13
14
15
16
17

you familiar with that document?


A

I'm familiar with the environmental report

that we completed.
Q

So you have no testimony today to offer

about the environmental impact analysis?

18

No.

19

For the environmental report it says

20

there's literature, but it does not contain the data

21

or the application of that data to any particular

22

geographical region here concerning stigma; is that

23

correct?

24
25

The environmental report looked at -- you

know, based on -- looked at the impact on property

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values in San Juan County, looked at the potential --

spoke with the county assessor over in San Juan

County to see if there was any difference in the land

values between land in Blanding, Utah, which is close

to the White Mesa mill, and in Monticello.

on those interviews, which the environmental report

clearly stated was an interview, the county assessor

said that there were no differences -- no discernible

differences, you know, in land prices.

And based

10

And looking at average and median prices

11

of homes for sale at that time, there was less than

12

2 percent difference in the average and median prices

13

of homes for sale, comparable homes for sale in the

14

Blanding and Monticello areas.

15

evidence --

16

You're not here to talk about property

17

valuation?

You're not a land assessor, are you?

18

I was attempting to answer your question.

19

I'm sorry.

20

So there was no

I thought you were done.

I'll

let you go ahead.

21

I guess I'm finished.

22

Okay.

You're not here providing testimony

23

on land price valuation?

24

expertise?

25

That's not in your

Right.

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You made no attempt to interview people in

the Paradox Valley for their risk adverseness?

No.

And you agree with Dr. Power that varying

the geographic scope of the study is important to

gain alternative views of what may be going on in an

area; is that correct?

Varying?

I agree with Dr. --

If you change the varying scope of an

10

economics analysis, a socioeconomic analysis, you may

11

get a different result based on that geographic

12

scope; is that correct?

13

If you change the scope, you will -- yes.

14

Is that referred to as sensitivity

15

analysis in some areas, where you take several scopes

16

and compare them against each other?

17

Yes.

18

That's an accepted methodology, to look at

19

alternatives?

20

Yes.

And as a matter of fact --

21

I'm sorry.

When you have varying results,

22

to be able to understand them a document really needs

23

to have some explanation about why they're different;

24

isn't that correct?

25

If that -- if that document is comparing

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two -- two areas.

that sensitivity analysis.

that 116 of the jobs, of the total jobs, you know,

associated with spending with the Pinon Ridge mill

will be contained in this four-zip code area of the

West End of Montrose County, 116 jobs there.

We have right here an element of


The Power report assumes

You know, the Energy Fuels estimate looks

at, okay, across Montrose County and San Juan County,

there's 313 jobs because there's additional spending

10

that goes on within that broader geographic area.

11

there's your sensitivity analysis.

12

conducted as a sensitivity analysis, but it provides

13

some of the same information.

14

So

It wasn't

But that's important when you synthesize

15

various reports that may have competing scopes,

16

scales, to know what is underlying them so you come

17

out with some kind of an analysis?

18

you're doing here today, isn't it?

19

That's what

Those were two questions.

Yes, it is.

20

you're synthesizing various reports, you take into

21

account the differences.

22

Okay.

If

You make reference to some real

23

estate market information comparing various towns in

24

Colorado to specific Superfund sites.

25

Page 5 of your report?

Is that on

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Of my written testimony?

Yes.

Yes.

And for instance, you compare Aspen's

median home value to the statewide home value to

suggest there's no stigma there; is that correct?

I presented that information to show

that -- I didn't conduct any studies on stigma

impacts.

If you look at the average home price in

10

Aspen, it's close to a million dollars.

11

clearly above the statewide average.

12

exists, it's not reflected through lower property

13

values or at least in the census report of median

14

home values.

15

16
17
18
19

It is

So if stigma

And that's the way you applied the stigma

literature to a situation?
A

No.

That's how I applied -- that's how I

offered that example.


Q

But you've got no evidence to support it?

20

You just pulled some census data and compared Aspen

21

to Colorado and said the Smuggler Mountain Superfund

22

must not have an impact.

23

analysis of that site; is that correct?

24
25

You didn't make any

I used a technique that the -- Dr. Power

had -- I'm about to reference a report that Dr. Power

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had cited as basically the one study that --

Is it cited here?

I'm sorry?

Dr. Power cited it, yes.

It's

cited in my information -- I'm sorry -- in my written

testimony.

Cotter's uranium mill in Canon City.

similar technique where they had -- they looked at

property values in different areas where -- different

areas where there were Superfund sites.

This is the RPA Consultants report of


They employed a

And they

10

made no attempt to present the information, the

11

comparison of prices, for anything other than, you

12

know, what it was, a simple comparison of prices.

13
14
15

So comparing two towns really doesn't give

you anything?
A

It's an observation of what exists.

It

16

doesn't make any effort to explain what it exists.

17

It simply says here is what exists and acknowledges

18

that explaining what exists through an economic

19

analysis is beyond the scope of that particular

20

analysis.

21
22

The scope of the analysis, it's very

important to understand that?

23

Uh-huh.

24

Okay.

25

And using the example you have here

of Aspen, you can mask and mislead by changing the

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geographic scope.

Dr. Power?

No.

Is that your testimony about

I think they're unrelated.

The

example of -- you know, home prices, if you were

to -- if stigma is an indication of lower property

values, there's clearly something going on in Aspen

where any stigma associated with the Superfund site

in Aspen hasn't terribly affected home prices because

they're over a million dollars.

10

11

Now --

12

But you compared Aspen to Colorado.

I compared Aspen to Colorado showing that

13

the average, the median home price in Colorado, is

14

around $237,000.

15
16
17

Aspen is well above that.

Have you gone to Aspen so see where the

Smuggler site is?


A

It's about two miles from the site -- I

18

mean -- I'm sorry.

19

miles from the town.

20

from the EPA.

The site is approximately two


That's based on information

21

But you haven't been there?

22

Not within the last two years.

23

Are you familiar with the town?

24

No.

25

Would it be useful information to know

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whether or not the trailer park in town was the

closest residential area to the Smuggler site?

Not for the purposes of my example.

Would the home values in the section of

town up against the Smuggler site as compared to

other portions of town be useful information?

Not for my example.

Would it be useful to a person trained in

9
10

applying this technique to a particular geographic


location?

11

Not if they're trying to make the example

12

that I was trying to make.

If they're trying to make

13

the example that you're trying to make, yes.

14

What's the example I'm trying to make?

15

And, you know, I'm not trying to be hard

16

to get along with, and it may be late, but I don't

17

know.

18

Okay.

I'm not either, and it may be late,

19

too.

20

If you wanted to know if there was stigma due to the

21

Smuggler site, might you legitimately define the

22

geographic scope of the analysis as the Town of Aspen

23

to see if you found lower home values up against the

24

site as compared to the rest of the town?

25

I'm just trying to dial in on a couple things.

Close to the site, yes.

I would say if

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you wanted to look at stigma effects in Aspen, yes,

look at property values of -- of values at varying

locations of that site, of the Superfund site there

in Aspen.

5
6

So actual data, vary the geographic scope,

and you might get some useful information?

Uh-huh.

You didn't do that?

to Colorado?

You just used Aspen

10

Yes.

For this example, yes.

11

And the same could be said of all the

12

other four examples you used here?

13

comparison?

14

you might have cherry-picked some of the nicer places

15

in Colorado that could be explained by amenity

16

values, actually, for the home values in the town; is

17

that correct?

18

There's no local

It's just town to Colorado?

And I think

Actually, I cherry-picked all the towns in

19

Colorado that have Superfund sites that are related

20

to abandoned mining activities as reported by the

21

EPA.

22

So the stigma analysis, say, in Telluride

23

would be properly applied by seeing if there were

24

varying levels of home valuation or property values

25

across the town.

And you didn't do that, did you?

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No.

And it was Dr. Power's testimony that you

need to use these techniques, and you need to use

them properly to understand what's going on and to

come up with some conclusions; is that correct?

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7
8
9

That's not my understanding of what he

said in his report.


Q

Okay.

The information concerning the

Paradox Valley --

10

MR. STILLS:

Can we take five minutes?

11

I'm having trouble finding a set of notes that fell

12

into my computer.

13

HEARING OFFICER:

14

(Recess from 4:04 p.m. to 4:13 p.m.)

15
16

(By Mr. Stills)

Sure.

Let me go back.

some notes that you were testifying from?

17

No.

18

To the court reporter?

19
20

You had

I gave them --

Can I just have a quick look at those.


Are these just --

21

Slides, yes.

22

-- a copy of your slides?

23

MS. LUCAS:

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MR. STILLS:

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MS. LUCAS:

Okay.

Thanks.

She can use them, right?


Yes.
You want to hand them back to

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her?

2
3
4

MR. STILLS:
Q

Sorry.

(By Mr. Stills)

And the data that you

relied on has been provided by Frank Filas?

I'm sorry.

What data?

In your work on this project, has Frank

Filas provided the underlying sociological (sic) data

that you looked at?

No.

Energy Fuels provided data on

10

employment for the socioeconomic analysis.

11

Information provided by Energy Fuels included the

12

spending, how much Energy Fuels expected to spend on

13

the project, and employment.

14
15

Did you ever have any problems with the

data that was provided to you?

16

No.

17

You never referred to it as made up?

18

No.

19

Okay.

The Paradox Valley is a very

20

different place than Nucla and Naturita; is that

21

correct?

22
23

You know, I don't -- I don't know.

Yeah,

very -- very different.

24

Have you ever been to the Paradox Valley?

25

No.

I've only driven through it.

So in

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terms of people who live there, I don't know how it's

very different.

You haven't spoken to anybody in Paradox?

You haven't talked to the owner of the Bedrock Store;

is that correct?

I can't remember.

I'm trying to think if

I asked the owner of the Bedrock Store when they had

to get groceries, do a major grocery store run, you

know, where they went.

I don't know.

If I did speak

10

to them, they would be included as a reference in the

11

environmental report.

At this point, I don't know.

12

Okay.

13

But that would have been my only reason

14
15

for speaking with them.


Q

Would a business owner such as the Bedrock

16

Store -- would her view of -- would that person's

17

view of this project be important for socioeconomic

18

analysis and stigma?

19

For an overall -- that person's view would

20

be as important as anyone else who lived in the --

21

you know, in Paradox Valley, their view.

22

In that actual valley?

23

Right.

24

And you testified that you can't just move

25

the Canon City study over?

You've got to understand

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and apply the technique to the Paradox Valley?

hers would be important.

inn?

along with the mill be important?

And

How about an owner of an

Would their view of the stigma that would come

Yes.

But you never asked any of those people

7
8
9
10

about their views; is that correct?


A

I don't remember speaking with the owner

of any inn, no.


Q

You weren't here to hear any of the public

11

testimony about what people's views are about the

12

area; is that correct?

13
14
15

Not yesterday.

I have heard people's --

testimony of people's views of the project.


Q

But hit and miss?

You just picked up a

16

little bit here and there during this hearing?

17

didn't sit in on all the testimony; is that correct?

18

No, I did not.

19

MR. STILLS:

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HEARING OFFICER:

21

DR. GROSSMAN:

22
23
24
25

You

I have no more questions.


Any questions?

Yes.

CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY DR. GROSSMAN:
Q

Were you involved in figuring out how many

vehicles would be used for the 500,000- and

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1500-tons-per-day operation?

again.

Okay.

I'm sorry.

Ask that question

Were you involved in figuring out how many

vehicles would be used for the 500,000- and

1500-tons-per-day operations at this mill?

Because I was involved in looking at the

transportation-- the traffic-related impacts

associated with the project, yes.

The answer would

10

have to be yes, I was involved with that.

11

haven't -- I haven't looked at that in regard to this

12

so I can't -- I can't answer any specific questions.

13

I can't remember.

14

not part of what I was prepared to discuss today

15

because I had been asked to comment on the

16

socioeconomic impacts also.

I just -- so just know that that's

17

Okay.

18

I mean, only.

19

Is there a published model used by this

20

IMPLAN software?

I mean, software is essentially --

21

unless you really get into the code, this whole

22

discussion of open code that you may hear in the

23

Internet -- do you know if the code that was supposed

24

to be in this IMPLAN, if there's a published

25

reference that you can go to and say, well, to the

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best of the person who developed this, they used this

model, which is explicitly described and reviewed for

this software?

a report or something?

In other words, a journal article or

I don't -- I don't know the code.

IMPLAN

is very clear about the sources of the data that are

incorporated into the multipliers that they build

into the model for a particular area in terms of the

data coming from sources such as the Census Bureau,

10

USDA, Census of Agriculture, county business

11

patterns, several sources of publicly available and

12

then their proprietary data.

13

the code.

14

I have no knowledge of

I just want to point out to you that from

15

my knowledge of how things work with models that

16

you've got the garbage in/garbage out problem.

17

Exactly.

18

And you also have the weighting problem.

19

And I'm just inquiring as to whether you know the

20

various inputs to this model, how those weighting

21

functions are determined because they're going to

22

determine the outset.

23

data in the world, if you don't have the right

24

permeability or whatever parameter in there that you

25

multiply against all these inputs, you might get the

Even if you've got the best

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wrong answer.

I just -- are you aware of that?

I am certainly aware of garbage in/garbage

out.

widely used economic assessment models.

would think that if there was a -- if there was a

problem with the model, it would not be so widely

used within the profession.

8
9

I'm also aware that IMPLAN is one of the most

Okay.

And so I

You talked about interviewing

people about where they went shopping --

10

Uh-huh.

11

-- and so forth.

Did the results of this

12

interviewing produce results that were statistically

13

significant?

14

size large enough that you could look at the

15

variability in that sample size and make some

16

conclusions about it?

17
18
19
20

In other words, do you have a sample

I did not -- I did not conduct a formal

survey, so I did not.


Q

You just walked around town and talked to

store owners and business leaders and so forth --

21

I talked to people, yes.

22

You talked about people going to Montrose

23

to shop?

24

Uh-huh.

25

I venture to say that in the wintertime

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they don't do that, that they probably go to Grand

Junction instead, just about halfway in between.

Uh-huh.

You don't have to go over Norwood Hill,

you don't have to go over Dallas Divide.

You can

just shoot down Unaweep and a small, little divide

over there in the middle of Unaweep, and you're damn

near to Grand Junction.

here seasonally?

So there might be a split

10

Uh-huh.

11

Because you can't get across the plateau

12

on 25 Mesa Road in the wintertime.

13

MR. MOORE:

14

HEARING OFFICER:

15

MR. MOORE:

16

Your Honor -Is this a question?

He's testifying here.

(By Dr. Grossman)

Was that taken into

17

account, the seasonal difference in purchasing

18

patterns?

19

Certainly what was taken into account, the

20

people said that when they -- generally when they

21

went to the -- when they did a major grocery store

22

run, they typically went to Montrose, Grand Junction,

23

sometimes as far as Cortez.

24

Montrose.

25

how large are we going to make this study area.

Generally they went to

So then you come into the question, okay,

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Certainly if you include Mesa County, any portion of

Mesa County all the way down to include -- I'm sorry.

I can't remember what county Cortez is in -- then

you're going to estimate larger job impacts because

if you increase the size of your study area -- you

don't want to make the study area too big for

relevant decision-making purposes.

had generally said that by and large, Montrose was

where they went, we considered Montrose County to be

10

part of the study area over which we estimated jobs.

So because people

11

Did you ever hear of the Paradox drive?

12

I have not.

13

Do you know what it is?

14

I guess you don't

know.

15

I don't know.

16

When you come into Paradox Valley from the

17

east, a big sign on the side of the road that says

18

this is a historical cattle drive area.

19

Uh-huh.

20

It's called the Paradox drive.

It happens

21

about once a year when they bring the cows down from

22

one meadow and send them up to meadows in Lone Cone.

23

That's the historical drive that went on here.

24

Uh-huh.

25

It way preceded any mining around here.

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HEARING OFFICER:

MR. MOORE:

DR. GROSSMAN:

Dr. Grossman, questions.

He's testifying here.


Okay.

(By Dr. Grossman)

Are you aware that the

Paradox drive could greatly inhibit traffic into the

mill for a period of time?

Okay.

Do you think that the presence of this

I'm not familiar with it.

mill would inhibit this great historical event, that

10

the mill people would eventually say these people are

11

bothering us, stopping our trucks with all these cows

12

on the road?

13

MR. MOORE:

Your Honor --

14

HEARING OFFICER:

Dr. Grossman, you're now

15

asking the witness to speculate about something she's

16

never heard of so I think you're well beyond the

17

limits.

18

DR. GROSSMAN:

Okay.

19

HEARING OFFICER:

20

testimony, not to hear you testify now.

21

DR. GROSSMAN:

22

THE WITNESS:

23

HEARING OFFICER:

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25

I'm way out on this.

We're here for her

I'll stop right here.


Okay.
Mr. Goad, do you have

questions?
MR. GOAD:

No questions.

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HEARING OFFICER:
questions?

3
4

MR. SANDLER:

No questions for this

witness.

HEARING OFFICER:

MR. MOORE:

HEARING OFFICER:

8
9

Matt, do you have

Redirect?

Nothing further, Your Honor.


Thank you.

is released.
THE WITNESS:

Thank you.

10

HEARING OFFICER:

11

more witnesses that they want to offer?

12

The witness

Does anybody have any

I have one gentleman in the back of the

13

room that would kind of like to put in a comment.

14

you will E-mail it to me, I'll put it in the record.

15

I received two E-mails this morning from people

16

either in support of or protesting the mill, and I

17

included them in the 153 items that I mentioned to

18

you earlier.

19

it in the record.

20

So if there's another E-mail, I'll put

Do we have anything else before the

21

10-minute closings we agreed upon?

22

MS. JOHNSON:

23
24
25

If

My name is Janet Johnson.

would like to comment.


HEARING OFFICER:

Ms. Johnson, if you have

comments you want to make, you've given me one by

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E-mail that I know of.

If you would submit them by

E-mail, I would much appreciate it.

MS. JOHNSON:

HEARING OFFICER:

That would be great.


And I will include them

in the record.

oral comments today.

yesterday.

comments I get and pass them on to counsel.

But we're not going to start taking


The time for that concluded

But I will include any additional E-mail

MS. JOHNSON:

10

Thank you.

HEARING OFFICER:

Now, I think that

11

concludes the evidence we're going to take.

And we

12

talked about 5-minute -- or 10-minute closings -- I'm

13

going to squeeze it down more if I can, folks --

14

which you may choose to make or may not choose to

15

make.

16

together with the material you're going to send in

17

terms of proposed findings and conclusions.

18

are due you said the 5th of December, you told me

19

earlier?

But I will consider any post trial briefs

20

MS. LUCAS:

21

HEARING OFFICER:

Those

4th.
The 4th of December.

22

And for those of you on the phone and in the room,

23

that's an opportunity for the lawyers to tell me what

24

they think I should decide, is really what it comes

25

down to.

And I'll get those when I get them under

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that schedule.

MR. STILLS:

Your Honor, there is

something linked to that that came up during the

hearing.

information on this for us, as well.

heard that there was going to be 45-day time period

for the transcript to come out, and that forms a

fundamental basis of what our findings of facts and

proposals would be.

10
11

And the court reporter may have some


We originally

When are we anticipating to get

that transcript?
MS. LUCAS:

I believe that the last I

12

heard it was the end of this month, November 30th or

13

December 1st.

14

MR. STILLS:

I would submit that we need

15

to revisit schedules.

16

six-day hearing transcript and prepare findings, even

17

as diligent as we are being, I don't think that is a

18

reasonable time frame for counsel to provide you

19

cogent and well-thought-out proposals.

20

HEARING OFFICER:

21

Four days to go through a

Why don't I consider

that after we see when you get them.

22

MR. STILLS:

Very good.

23

HEARING OFFICER:

I'd rather deal with,

24

this is what happened and let's deal with, than this

25

is what may happen and let's deal with it.

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Now, one more thing we need to talk about.

We have an obligation to have a conversation at the

Department of Health in Denver.

to schedule that before we depart?

wait until -- and I suppose I'm deferring to

Mr. Goad, as the host.

telephone?

8
9
10
11

MR. GOAD:

Do you want to try


Or do you want to

Do you want to do that by

Mr. Stills and I chatted about

that a couple days ago, and I'm waiting to hear back


from him on that.
MR. STILLS:

And I assume a tsunami of

12

scheduling demands await us when we leave here.

13

would suggest we do that, that we do the scheduling

14

by E-mail this week and phone calls, but not to let

15

it get out from under foot.

16

here and schedule today, knowing there's things --

17

HEARING OFFICER:

But I can't really sit

Okay.

So why don't you

18

folks communicate with each other, and assume for the

19

moment I will make myself available when you can

20

schedule it.

21
22
23

MR. GOAD:

And I believe you said you're

not available Thursday?


HEARING OFFICER:

This Thursday I have a

24

case, a medical malpractice case.

25

schedule it.

Other than that,

Everything else I have I think I can

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move around and tinker with.

DR. GROSSMAN:

HEARING OFFICER:

DR. GROSSMAN:

I won't be your issue.

Do I have to be present?
Only if you care to.

What is the purpose of

this?

HEARING OFFICER:

The purpose of this,

remember, was to afford Mr. Stills the opportunity to

look at the files of the individuals in the health

Department.

We had a dialog about the files that

10

Mr. Ethington might have maintained or Mr. Tarlton

11

might have maintained, and Mr. Stills wanted the

12

opportunity to see them.

13

appearance, Dr. Grossman.

14

MR. GOAD:

That's a voluntary

And since there were some

15

30 state employees -- and I forget how many

16

Department of Health employees, perhaps about 20 -- I

17

would ask Mr. Stills to indicate which ones he would

18

like to -- whose files he'd like to see so we can try

19

to schedule that accordingly.

20
21
22
23
24
25

MR. STILLS:

That's a reasonable request.

I'll do that.
HEARING OFFICER:

Okay.

Other than that,

I don't think we have any other loose ends.


Mr. Spaanstra, Ms. Lucas, you want to give
me an argument?

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MR. SPAANSTRA:

No.

We'll defer until

December 4th or some point thereafter.

HEARING OFFICER:

MR. GOAD:

Mr. Goad?

Your Honor, we have no closing

other than to state that the department appreciates

all the information that has been submitted.

all been very interesting, and they will take it into

consideration when the time comes.

9
10

HEARING OFFICER:

13
14
15

I'd ask the two of you

and --

11
12

It's

DR. GROSSMAN:

I'd like to say something

short.
HEARING OFFICER:
going to start the clock.
DR. GROSSMAN:

Go right ahead.

I'm

Be forewarned.
Okay.

I'm going to repeat

16

what I said at the very beginning because it means

17

more to me now than it did before, and that is that I

18

want to thank everybody involved for the opportunity

19

to have become the only citizen that is a party of

20

interest in these proceedings.

21

invigorating and interesting and a demanding

22

experience, especially last night.

23

express my appreciation to Judge Dana, even though he

24

doesn't want to be a judge, and the lawyers for the

25

various interests.

It's been really

And I want to

They've been really accommodating

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and patient with this nonlawyer and even supplied him

with coffee and doughnuts and everything in the

morning.

I appreciate that.
But I want to let you know that I think

these proceedings need to concentrate on one thing,

and that's the mission statement of the Colorado

Department of Public Health and Environment since

they're the principal in this.

mission of the Colorado Department of Public Health

Let me state it.

The

10

and Environment is to protect and improve the health

11

of Colorado's people and the quality of its

12

environment.

13

We've heard the evidence now, and I've sat

14

here and listened very carefully.

15

questions.

16

this proposal is ready to go forward.

17

work.

18

involved are really sincere in the efforts that

19

they've made.

20

that.

21

me enough, I want to go back to this stigma thing for

22

a minute because I'm a potential interviewee.

23

I've asked

And this citizen is not convinced that


It needs more

And he's also convinced that all the parties

And I appreciate that, and I commend

And last, but not least, because you've heard

When I first came into this area, I

24

mentioned in my opening statement that I'd come down

25

through Unaweep Canyon, and I'd see that Uravan

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cleanup.

Superfund site because I'd done my due diligence on

my property.

was the fact that that thing was getting cleaned up.

If I'd known it would still be around, spewing stuff

around, I probably wouldn't have bought property

here.

8
9

And that scared me.

I knew it was a

And the only thing that kept me here

One of the great things about this area is


that you can see great distances.

When the moon

10

shines on the snows of Lone Cone, you can see that

11

for hundreds of miles.

12

The Indians used it, the pioneers used it, and I used

13

it.

14

view for hundreds of miles.

15

You'll see the smoke.

16

I'll tell you, if I was thinking about buying

17

property in Paradox Valley right now, I'd start

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looking somewhere else.

It's a landmark in this area.

So this mill is something that will affect that


You'll see the lights.

You'll likely hear the noise.

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Thank you very much for all of the

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experience, this very interesting experience.

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recommend it for all citizens.

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only one.

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And I

I'm sorry I'm the

Mr. Stills?

I'll be brief, Your Honor.

One of the things as we go forward out of this -- and

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first, I appreciate your patience in sticking through

this.

It is a gorgeous part of the country, and

we do have a nice mascot over your shoulder.

We've

had a long six days.

But the parties to this proceeding appear to have a

fundamental difference as to the purpose of this

hearing.

CDPHE takes the position it's a licensing

exercise.

It seems Energy Fuels shares that view.

We've worked hard through this.

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We've laid out our view that this is a licensing

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hearing for the first radioactive materials license

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for a uranium mill issued in the current era.

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regs are outdated.

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place.

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glove, tend to push forward.

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The

The technologies are all over the

But still, Energy Fuels and CDPHE, hand in

We have no clarity on what the contents of

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this application are, a complaint that we've had all

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the way through.

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application is, it hasn't been updated since 2010

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when the RFIs were completed.

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working on the project, although the application

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appears to be based on their secret engineering

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report that we haven't seen or that the public is not

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able to see.

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component of the process that Congress adopted under

As best we can tell, whatever that

CH2M Hill is no longer

Of course, the public is a huge

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the federal laws.

for the public, let alone the parties, to look at it.

We just don't have that ability

As we've heard evidence that's come in,

CDPHE and Energy Fuels openly admit fundamental

documents in this proceeding, -- the environmental

impact analysis and the environmental report -- lack

fundamental basic components and analyses.

department's regulations and Judge McMullen's

order -- and it's specifically Regulation

The

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Section 18.4.1 that requires that the department

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shall prepare a written analysis of the impacts of

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the license activity on the environment which shall

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be available to the public and for review by the NRC

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at the time of this public hearing.

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We don't have that here.

No review by the

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NRC.

Instead of updating the EIA before providing

17

notice, CDPHE simply recycled a cookie cutter EIA

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from 2010 similar to the way Cotter -- I'm sorry --

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Energy Fuels used a cookie cutter approach from the

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Cotter facility to prepare its materials.

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this all in the briefing.

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undermines Judge McMullen's order which speaks in

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terms of the CDPHE providing a comprehensive

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environmental impact analysis.

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people who are assigned uranium mills who don't have

We'll have

But this entire strategy

Here CDPHE, the three

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the resources to carry out their work, have fallen

dramatically short of the standard.

infused with evidence of that.

The record is

And this is serious, deadly business.

My

client, Sheep Mountain Alliance, has members living

all over this region.

to be told that this is like an airplane ride.

has permanent consequences for the Paradox Valley,

for Telluride, for the region.

It's insulting and misleading


It

You've heard about

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the unique, remote, inaccessible nature of Paradox

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Valley.

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record that the owner of the Bedrock Store didn't

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want this mill even if it might benefit her

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economically.

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while ago.

We're going to show through evidence in the

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Those are comments that came in a

You heard from people who were making

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investments in this region.

Solar's coming in.

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There's some rhetoric that flows from talking points

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prepared by Energy Fuels.

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people who live here, when they get off the script,

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you hear about an emergent amenity economy,

22

especially from what Mr. Vostatek at the Paradox Inn

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had to say.

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coming up.

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region.

But when you hear the

There's mountain biking.

There's things

There's people who want to invest in this

And I think that what we can see is on one

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hand, we have a sort of half baked, cookie cutter

approach to a uranium mill that's still built on the

economic mythology of the boom/bust economy.

doesn't meet the technical standards.

denied on that reason.

It

It could be

But the independent basis to deny this

also exists not just on the lack of good data and

good analysis on water supply and all the other

technical issues that we described and put expert

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witnesses forward to talk about, but also the social

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and economic attributes of this area.

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area in all kinds of ways.

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important historically.

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economically except as an anchor tied around folks'

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legs based on promises of a new boom in uranium

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mining that has already went bust.

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It's a special

Uranium mining is

It's not important

So we look forward to briefing this and

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providing some guidance through the records to

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support our views and our claims and our issues.

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again, thank you for your patience and time.

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special place, very much a special place.

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think it's deserving of all of our respect and

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consideration, and we look forward to yours.

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you.

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HEARING OFFICER:

And

It's a

And I

Thank

Mr. Sandler?

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MR. SANDLER:

Yes.

Thank you, Judge.

also would like to thank you, Judge, and thank the

folks there in Nucla.

apologize that I could not spend the whole hearing

with you-all.

I enjoyed my time there, and I

I'm going to keep this short.

I know that

everyone there's probably tired and ready to get out

of there.

and compliance with the law, the construction of this

Without the proper environmental analysis

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mill is a great risk to our environment.

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uranium mills and mines have led to serious

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environmental problems, and we don't want to see the

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same thing happen there.

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Other

There are many unanswered questions

15

regarding the environmental report, EIA, and this

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mill's impacts on wildlife species.

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disheartening that Energy Fuels did not present

18

Archie Reeve, the wildlife biologist who worked on

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this project.

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there.

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all the questions he could not.

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through with this.

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incapable of doing any work in support of natural

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resource development?

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of the mix?

It is

Frank Filas told us that he would be

Frank Filas told us that Archie would answer


They did not follow

Was it because Archie is

Why is Archie being kept out

Energy Fuels said he would testify.

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What else will they fail to follow through on?

There are many issues with the

environmental report and the environmental impact

analysis.

These will all be detailed in our written

statement.

Just briefly, the environmental report

and EIA were based on analysis of the wrong ecotones

present on this site.

and candidate species such as the Gunnison prairie

dog, Gunnison sage-grouse, Colorado hookless cactus,

Analysis of endangered species

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endangered Colorado River fish, and the Piping Plover

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were not done correctly.

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lacking, or the surveys and analysis regarding these

13

species was incorrect.

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analyze sufficient alternatives, cumulative impacts,

15

the effectiveness of mitigation measures, all issues

16

that should be analyzed before moving forward.

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Either that analysis was

These documents fail to

The surveys done to determine how this

18

will affect wildlife species were also inadequate.

19

As an example, the surveys for the Colorado hookless

20

cactus were done at the wrong time of the year.

21

Surveys for the Gunnison sage-grouse were also

22

inadequate.

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wintered there, yet all they did was go out on two

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days in one winter and say they did not see any birds

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or any castings from these birds.

We know the species has been there, has

It does not fit

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the bill.

Judge Dana, we ask you to find this

application inadequate.

building a uranium mill, the right issues must be

analyzed, and they weren't.

must be followed, and it wasn't.

this license should not move forward.

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For something as serious as

HEARING OFFICER:

And the right process


For that reason,
Thank you.

We're done.

It's that

simple.
(The hearing concluded at 4:49 p.m. on
November 13, 2012.)

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STATE OF COLORADO)

COUNTY OF DENVER )

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REPORTER'S CERTIFICATE

I, Janet Lee Priestley, do hereby certify

that I am a Registered Professional Reporter and

Notary Public within the State of Colorado.

I further certify that these proceedings

were taken in shorthand by me at the time and place

herein set forth, that they were thereafter reduced

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to typewritten form, and that the foregoing

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constitutes a true and correct transcript.

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I further certify that I am not related to,

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employed by, nor of counsel for any of the parties or

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attorneys herein, nor otherwise interested in the

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result of the within action.

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In witness whereof, I have affixed my


signature this 30th day of November, 2012.
My commission expires October 29, 2013.

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216 - 16th Street, Suite 600
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1630:1 1633:10
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1555:20
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1491:22
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Barriers 1527:22
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Biological 1390:19
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1531:20,25 1532:5,10
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bit 1408:10 1417:13
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1440:7 1450:13 1451:14
1454:17 1488:18
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1474:20 1524:12
1548:22 1568:22 1569:4
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Blanding 1629:4,14
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BLM 1615:19
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1615:2
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1595:23
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1555:23
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Boulevard 1390:6
boundaries 1585:10

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1432:13 1586:22
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1548:22
Bozeman 1612:19
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branding 1445:21
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1456:13 1458:9 1502:13
1502:20,24 1503:1,4
1507:2,11 1600:2,3
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BREEZE 1437:23
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1513:14 1514:9 1516:20
1570:25 1619:16 1660:5
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1645:21
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1458:18 1484:11 1515:8
1606:19 1607:12
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1618:21
Buena 1583:10
build 1400:16 1642:7
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1661:4
buildings 1443:6
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1493:4 1658:2
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1412:17
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1478:16
bunch 1403:5
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1511:5
Bureau 1642:9
bureaucracy 1408:25
1449:5

business 1406:22
1449:10 1502:4 1612:11
1623:8,15 1625:11,15
1639:15 1642:10
1643:20 1657:4
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buyer 1406:21
buyer's 1406:23
buying 1654:16
byway 1441:4,6
B-a-r-n-e-s 1486:23
C
C 1390:12 1394:1
cactus 1660:9,20
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1423:9
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calculation 1421:19
1423:7 1483:5 1565:11
calculations 1526:23
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California 1613:10
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1430:20 1439:5 1508:6
1508:13,14 1510:19,22
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1556:15 1578:18
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1619:25 1623:17
1645:20
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1577:23
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1424:23 1660:8
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1458:24 1491:16 1495:6
1653:25

cap 1564:6 1574:5


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1427:18 1430:18
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capacity 1505:18 1568:3
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carbon 1490:24
care 1407:5 1410:2,8
1502:3 1544:7 1568:6
1651:3
career 1513:5
careful 1480:6
carefully 1413:20
1500:22 1561:16
1653:14
Carolina 1623:18
Caroline 1393:3 1451:2
1580:11
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carrier 1404:5 1412:3,6
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carrying 1445:5 1463:15
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1410:19 1421:16,23
1428:4 1433:16 1434:24
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1508:22 1509:8,15
1518:22 1522:9 1531:9
1557:22 1558:9 1562:22
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1650:24,24
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1433:24 1434:6 1481:15
1520:21,22,24 1521:1
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1602:16
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1578:11 1587:25 1588:7
1602:16 1611:23
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CDC 1476:1
CDOT 1443:23
CDPHE 1394:18 1397:3
1397:8,21 1399:14
1417:22 1418:6 1437:22
1446:17 1449:16 1452:3
1454:22 1471:24
1477:21,23 1488:1
1490:21 1491:23
1493:11 1496:7,12
1497:17 1498:20 1499:5
1500:25 1501:6,25
1505:9 1533:12 1535:1
1552:7 1553:11,14
1557:21,24 1618:2
1655:8,14 1656:4,17,23
1656:24
CDPHE's 1395:2
1456:17 1497:19
cell 1457:3 1459:18
1523:21 1539:15,18
1540:4 1543:25 1546:17
1563:22,23 1564:1
1568:15 1570:7 1576:16
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1460:16 1482:19
1532:23,25 1546:22
1547:5,13 1548:17
1557:4 1570:6,10,12,18
1573:18,22,23 1574:19
1574:22 1585:20
1596:14
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1642:9,10
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1612:19,21
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1565:19,19 1566:8
1592:10 1593:1,2
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1588:15 1591:23 1597:1
1597:5,14,15 1598:2,2,5
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1510:5 1512:20 1513:3
1513:22 1514:10
1516:22 1517:17
1518:17 1520:22
1529:13 1530:15
1531:18 1534:4,12

1535:1 1543:12 1558:18


1594:16 1604:11 1643:2
1644:19 1645:1
certainty 1533:25 1536:1
1536:12,16 1562:22
1575:8
CERTIFICATE 1662:2
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1512:12
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changing 1633:25
channel 1525:21
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1429:24 1430:6 1445:8
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1546:14,15 1582:1,20
1584:1 1585:8
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1473:11 1550:21
1585:19,24 1600:15
characterizing 1558:11
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1454:10 1538:14
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1549:10
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1549:9
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1636:18
cherry-picking 1528:10
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1648:14,14
choosing 1561:1

chose 1493:22 1495:3,20


1508:25
chosen 1560:20
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1557:13 1655:20
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1549:2,23
circulate 1621:19
circulated 1415:6
circumstances 1447:19
1476:14
cite 1456:13
cited 1395:5 1633:1,2,3,4
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citizen 1409:16 1416:1
1437:1 1438:8 1444:22
1447:3 1448:13 1449:16
1450:17,20 1457:25
1473:8 1652:19 1653:15
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1438:17 1457:12,24
1654:21
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1445:14
City 1621:6 1633:6
1639:25
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claims 1488:10 1658:19
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1415:5 1521:17 1544:9
1580:9 1618:15
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1655:16
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1520:1,4,7,10,11,24
1521:5,12,15 1522:15
1522:24 1523:1,1,2,5,6
1524:17,18,21 1527:12
1529:21 1538:7 1544:8
1565:18 1574:14
clay-only-liner 1538:5
Clean 1564:5 1613:22
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cleanup 1405:2,2
1406:19 1407:12

1408:18,24 1654:1
cleanups 1500:11
clear 1438:7,8 1439:7,11
1449:11 1493:15 1520:7
1642:6
clearly 1402:25 1411:22
1450:18 1522:3,11
1532:2 1554:11 1629:7
1632:11 1634:6
clerk 1481:4 1488:20
client 1657:5
clients 1513:24
climate 1416:25 1418:12
1418:22,25 1419:25
1438:22 1447:12
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clock 1652:14
close 1430:9 1434:7
1436:22 1438:7 1445:9
1449:17 1480:19
1606:21 1629:4 1632:10
1635:25
closed 1402:3 1509:17
1610:5
closest 1421:17 1635:2
close-knit 1490:6
closing 1392:23 1652:4
closings 1647:21 1648:12
closure 1573:18,21
1574:4,13,20 1575:1,3
1577:8,10,14
Clyde 1513:6,6
Coalition 1390:19
1494:3
coal-fired 1494:8
coastal 1613:6
coating 1524:6,10,13
1540:2 1569:3,5,7,12,14
coauthored 1514:10
code 1620:23,24 1621:1
1622:22 1631:5 1641:21
1641:22,23 1642:5,13
coffee 1447:7 1653:2
cogent 1649:19
coherent 1449:7
cold 1607:5
colleague 1525:21
collect 1547:25
collected 1598:8 1605:3
collecting 1600:24
collection 1489:10

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1518:2 1522:14 1536:7


1539:22 1567:15 1568:3
1569:20 1590:4
colleges 1613:9
colon 1465:22,23
color 1569:25
Colorado 1389:21,25
1390:4,7,11,13,17,19,23
1390:24 1391:3 1408:9
1409:3 1416:2 1417:18
1441:3 1443:23 1454:23
1457:6 1488:22 1490:5
1491:5,22 1492:17
1494:5 1513:4,16
1516:5 1583:7,8
1584:24 1610:13
1613:17 1631:24
1632:21 1634:10,12,13
1636:9,13,15,19 1653:6
1653:9 1660:9,10,19
1662:1,6,21
Colorado's 1494:1
1653:11
colorful 1504:21
combination 1556:7
come 1400:7 1414:14
1440:12 1447:22
1453:25 1501:10,17
1502:2 1503:10 1508:24
1528:24 1529:1 1588:18
1589:13 1595:17 1596:6
1598:19 1626:9 1631:16
1637:5 1640:3 1644:24
1645:16 1649:7 1653:24
1656:3
comes 1432:17 1548:7,15
1548:16,19 1551:9
1569:4 1648:24 1652:8
COMET 1426:3
coming 1416:21 1441:2
1481:19 1503:19
1512:13 1530:22
1546:19 1549:1,15,19
1642:9 1657:17,24
comma 1420:2
commend 1653:19
comment 1418:8 1458:17
1472:19 1493:10 1521:8
1531:17,18 1543:4,20
1548:23 1549:4,24
1550:11,20 1556:19

1568:14 1571:16 1572:6


1572:11,22,23 1575:8
1576:10 1641:15
1647:13,23
commented 1456:24
1529:14
comments 1493:17
1497:19 1500:23 1504:7
1505:14 1516:3 1517:11
1563:21 1570:4 1647:25
1648:6,8 1657:14
commission 1451:19
1618:2,17 1662:18
commissioning 1464:8,9
commitment 1472:15
committed 1409:10
common 1444:22
1498:23 1602:11
commonly 1419:21
communicate 1650:18
communicated 1410:6
communication 1408:22
1614:20
Communications
1390:5
community 1487:7,15,16
1488:22 1489:6,10
1490:2,7 1500:17
1504:1 1623:15 1625:11
compacted 1527:12
companies 1615:14
company 1491:18
comparable 1629:13
compare 1419:1 1541:20
1543:10 1561:23
1630:16 1632:4
compared 1632:20
1634:10,12 1635:5,24
compares 1519:6
1565:17
comparing 1630:25
1631:23 1633:13
comparison 1419:5,6
1633:11,12 1636:13
comparisons 1417:1
1493:3
compatibility 1529:15
1529:18,20 1530:3,9
1548:6,10 1549:11
compelling 1395:19
compensated 1472:11,12

1472:13
compensation 1614:13
competency 1547:18
competing 1631:15
compiled 1419:17
complaint 1655:17
complete 1462:4 1530:25
1534:2 1535:25 1572:15
1572:17
completed 1405:3
1512:25 1513:3 1533:20
1564:1 1612:14 1616:19
1624:12,13 1628:15
1655:20
completely 1431:13
1485:1 1531:5
completion 1524:1
1566:25 1602:8
complex 1420:18,24
1421:11 1431:17
1448:18,21 1449:13
1474:9,13,14,15 1479:2
complexified 1479:1
complexifies 1467:9,11
1467:24
complexify 1479:10
complexity 1453:5
compliance 1465:8
1466:5,14 1659:9
comply 1613:22
component 1521:15
1564:8 1655:25
components 1544:15
1548:24 1656:7
composite 1517:24
1520:8 1521:6,8,10,25
1522:16,21,22 1526:23
1527:1,8 1538:6,8,10
1540:15 1544:7,13
compound 1555:25
comprehensive 1447:1
1497:11 1656:23
comprised 1489:6
compromise 1485:24
computer 1414:11
1637:12
computers 1424:5
concentrate 1653:5
concern 1409:13 1436:17
1438:13,14 1455:23
1461:9 1463:3,7 1473:6

1473:7,8,12 1493:9
1500:6 1505:3 1529:19
1529:22 1534:23
1555:17
concerned 1407:3
1409:16 1416:24 1417:2
1460:3 1487:14,17
1491:8 1495:9 1498:17
1499:17 1505:6 1546:24
1551:11 1572:24 1607:7
concerning 1471:19
1478:7 1488:13 1489:25
1515:9 1546:11 1557:14
1561:25 1599:13
1614:17,21 1625:8
1627:20 1628:22 1637:8
concerns 1409:24
1453:21 1461:22
1483:12,23,25 1487:7
1500:1,2,7 1501:7
1602:22
concluded 1507:11
1526:4 1648:6 1661:10
concludes 1648:11
conclusion 1452:7,9
1466:21 1475:19,23
1522:2,7 1528:1
conclusions 1419:6
1618:8 1625:18 1626:25
1627:7,20 1637:5
1643:16 1648:17
concurs 1498:20
condition 1426:7
1550:22 1552:2
conditions 1416:23
1417:3 1422:4 1425:22
1428:3 1431:8 1432:14
1434:12,14 1435:10
1443:11,13 1445:12
1446:9 1466:7,8
1482:16,21 1483:12
1484:1 1498:8 1552:1,4
conducive 1560:23
conduct 1496:11 1509:16
1603:6 1615:20 1632:8
1643:17
conducted 1483:21
1505:9 1530:3 1544:21
1582:16 1603:16 1604:7
1612:23 1613:2,18
1631:12

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conducting 1613:14
conductive 1523:23,24
1540:1 1542:17,18
conductivity 1530:21
conducts 1615:17
Cone 1645:22 1654:10
conferencing 1408:22
confirm 1533:12
confused 1453:2 1485:4
confusing 1424:8 1447:4
confusion 1446:14,16
1454:14
Congo 1512:13
congratulate 1450:16
Congress 1655:25
connected 1450:25
consequence 1589:23
consequences 1473:1,1
1474:19 1657:8
conservation 1490:9,12
1490:18,19
conservative 1530:11
consider 1453:17
1500:22 1516:17
1587:12 1593:2 1596:22
1648:15 1649:20
considerable 1461:12
consideration 1480:22
1483:4 1622:5 1652:8
1658:23
considered 1443:20
1446:21 1563:19
1587:15 1597:1 1601:9
1645:9
considering 1538:21
1613:19
considers 1499:2,22
1564:5
consistently 1494:6
consists 1539:21
consolidated 1558:22
Constance 1585:14
constituents 1549:10
constitutes 1662:11
construct 1491:21
1532:24 1574:20
constructed 1409:6
1491:7
construction 1397:22
1405:20 1444:10 1659:9
consult 1457:4 1535:2

consultant 1420:16
1431:22 1476:18
consultants 1513:6
1515:1 1550:10 1633:5
consulting 1513:17
1515:9 1531:20 1582:5
1585:15 1605:17 1619:9
1619:13
Consulting's 1515:1
1516:3
consumed 1499:21
contact 1404:6 1409:3,8,8
1517:21 1520:6,10
1523:6 1557:13 1594:12
1596:4 1603:10 1604:21
contacted 1404:9 1454:7
contain 1403:20 1435:12
1560:19 1628:20
contained 1480:9 1534:7
1588:14 1626:2 1631:5
containing 1402:4
containment 1496:5
1516:3 1527:22 1534:15
contains 1402:10
1403:13 1434:22
contaminant 1496:13
1526:21 1547:20,23
1593:7,17
contaminants 1527:3
1551:10
contaminate 1491:11
contaminated 1483:19
1490:2
contamination 1500:13
1543:18 1591:6
contemplated 1511:17
content 1554:17
contents 1655:16
context 1448:22 1452:17
1454:5,24 1472:17
1484:7
contiguous 1590:25
1591:3
continent 1498:12
continental 1498:7
contingency 1532:12
continue 1510:4,6
1519:22 1578:17 1582:6
1594:2
Continued 1391:1
1393:1

continuous 1556:6,15,22
1590:24 1595:16
continuously 1517:2
continuum 1590:24
contract 1407:18,20
1491:18 1493:4 1552:25
1614:16,22,24
contractor 1407:17
1410:20 1412:8,8
1483:1
contractors 1400:7
1407:16 1620:12,25
contracts 1407:23
contrary 1488:11
contrast 1596:21
contrasted 1526:11
contribute 1555:16
contribution 1488:3
control 1395:2,25
1396:17,18 1404:21
1436:19 1437:22
1452:17,22,23 1461:12
1541:17 1542:9,14,23
1555:14
controlling 1497:7,7
1526:25
controls 1396:14
controversy 1595:3
convene 1449:6
conventional 1395:20
1554:22 1555:17
conversation 1604:25
1650:2
convert 1420:7,9
converted 1491:15
convinced 1653:15,17
cookie 1656:17,19
1658:1
cooperating 1506:7
cooperation 1511:14
coordinated 1409:11
1494:3
copacetic 1479:15
copies 1528:18
copper 1581:23
copy 1414:19,20,21
1422:19,21,22 1461:24
1462:21,23 1510:8
1516:8 1611:9 1624:14
1637:22
copying 1447:15

corners 1498:11
corporation 1488:13
1513:7
correct 1395:8 1396:22
1399:6,7,12,16,17
1405:20 1406:9 1407:6
1407:8,25 1413:1,9,15
1416:9 1444:16 1449:15
1451:1,12,20,21 1452:3
1452:18,19 1456:3
1458:20 1460:10 1463:8
1463:9,17 1466:25
1469:16,17,21 1470:11
1470:22,23 1471:19
1472:3 1473:17 1474:16
1476:9 1477:4 1478:8
1479:24 1480:3 1482:15
1485:3 1486:8 1490:25
1504:3,3 1505:4 1506:9
1507:13,16 1515:13
1516:6 1517:8,9
1521:19 1525:13,14,25
1529:16 1530:15 1537:4
1538:1,18 1540:6
1541:9 1542:24,25
1543:3,8,11 1544:17,18
1545:4,5 1546:2,12
1547:6,14 1548:22
1549:3,15 1551:2,18
1552:9,16 1557:11,15
1557:25 1559:6,15
1560:15 1561:10,25
1562:8,20,21 1563:24
1564:9 1565:10 1568:25
1571:7,19 1577:9,14,15
1591:4,13,19 1595:20
1599:6,10,11,14
1600:11 1601:8,9
1602:21,23 1603:3,8
1604:15 1605:6 1614:7
1615:3,8,12,13,15,24
1627:8,12,21,24
1628:10,23 1630:7,12
1630:24 1632:6,23
1636:17 1637:5 1638:21
1639:5 1640:7,12,17
1662:11
correction 1496:11
corrective 1495:15
correctly 1407:12 1504:9
1514:8 1573:6 1660:11

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correspondence 1426:10
corresponding 1589:7
corruption 1567:5
Cortez 1644:23 1645:3
cosmic 1583:25
cost 1618:21
costs 1516:4
Cotter 1656:18,20
Cotter's 1633:6
couched 1478:15
Council 1526:15 1527:20
counsel 1496:17 1528:22
1624:16 1648:8 1649:18
1662:13
counsels 1511:14
counter 1531:24
counters 1455:10
counties 1409:18
1410:14 1440:20
1464:14 1467:8 1481:14
counting 1514:8
country 1418:16 1490:10
1581:15 1655:3
county 1396:24 1397:14
1399:6 1401:13 1409:16
1409:17 1410:16
1416:17 1437:10,12
1454:19 1463:13,19,20
1463:23 1464:7,9
1465:6 1466:8,13,22
1467:2,4,7 1468:3
1477:16,19 1478:21
1479:8,9 1489:6 1492:4
1495:2 1496:1 1501:15
1516:5 1619:8,13
1620:20,20,24 1621:9
1629:1,2,3,7 1631:6,8,8
1642:10 1645:1,2,3,9
1662:3
couple 1405:15 1420:3
1435:10 1461:25
1475:15 1478:17,18
1500:7 1503:12 1515:4
1524:7 1526:16 1552:19
1558:13 1570:4 1598:22
1626:4 1635:19 1650:9
course 1461:15 1468:23
1511:10,15,25 1513:20
1513:20 1520:25 1553:8
1553:14 1554:3 1655:24
courses 1613:9

court 1403:4 1418:8


1469:2 1518:11 1519:10
1581:6 1637:18 1649:4
courtesy 1469:2
cover 1395:21 1402:5
1476:15 1554:25
1555:12,16 1556:6,16
1556:22 1571:9,15,19
1571:22,23 1572:8,9,12
1572:15,17 1574:4,13
1574:21 1575:1,3
1577:8,11,13 1608:16
1609:3 1610:11
covered 1402:1 1410:10
1410:13 1417:13
1421:25 1476:9 1477:1
1569:13,16
covers 1406:8 1464:17
cowboy 1434:13
cows 1645:21 1646:11
co-extruded 1569:4
co-op 1419:4 1457:11,12
1457:15
cracks 1408:20
Craig 1420:16
create 1576:17 1621:20
created 1618:25 1626:7
creating 1525:9
credentials 1448:9
credit 1555:21
creek 1408:11 1491:11
Crescent 1558:4,6,9,25
1560:3,5 1561:4,17,17
crew 1445:15,25
criteria 1432:23 1434:5
1466:10 1530:20
critique 1447:17
cross 1450:6 1519:14
1594:19
cross-examination
1392:7,8,8,10,11,14,14
1392:15,18,18,21,22
1420:15 1438:2 1450:9
1469:6 1474:4 1475:21
1482:2 1501:4 1503:15
1511:4 1531:5 1535:12
1551:23 1564:23 1571:4
1595:1 1599:2 1627:4
1640:22
cross-examine 1511:6,7
1529:3 1607:15

cube 1426:18 1436:10


cubes 1565:4
cull 1433:16
culled 1432:22
cum 1512:22
cumulative 1440:5,6,18
1471:1 1660:14
cup 1598:1
curious 1564:25
current 1394:16 1412:6
1487:25 1532:15 1539:1
1577:13 1614:16 1622:1
1655:12
currently 1460:19
1489:12 1491:23
1513:18 1521:4,20
1532:21 1562:9
cursorily 1447:11,11
cursory 1457:23
curtailment 1495:13
Curtis 1390:5
curve 1430:6,13
cut 1516:15
cutter 1656:17,19 1658:1
cuttings 1589:17
CV 1514:6 1578:25
1608:16
cyanide 1521:9,11,17
1544:7
cycling 1569:22
D
D 1390:3 1392:1 1393:1
1394:1
daily 1436:7 1462:3
1478:16
Dakota 1583:19
Dallas 1644:5
damage 1424:13,18
1435:2 1488:1 1502:6
1503:10
damaging 1488:2
damn 1644:7
Dana 1389:18 1463:25
1500:21 1652:23 1661:2
dang 1430:9
dangerous 1410:3
1441:8 1446:2
Daniels 1390:2 1420:10
1450:24
dark 1570:1

data 1416:24,25 1418:22


1419:9,19,24,25,25
1420:4,9,11 1421:2
1424:15 1429:15
1432:22 1434:20
1443:13 1447:16 1457:2
1459:2,11 1474:21,22
1484:18 1493:3 1546:11
1552:10 1626:24
1628:20,21 1632:20
1636:5 1638:3,5,7,9,15
1642:6,9,12,23 1658:7
date 1436:3 1479:16,17
1488:9 1504:3 1609:24
dated 1526:20 1605:17
dates 1509:12,13,13
1510:6
day 1396:2,5,7,10,15,25
1397:6,18 1400:15
1428:14 1441:14 1443:5
1444:4 1445:22 1446:18
1450:14 1469:10 1483:9
1504:5 1509:17 1517:11
1532:16 1552:23,24
1577:2 1662:17
days 1430:2 1435:11
1441:15 1463:24
1468:24 1478:17
1498:14 1509:3 1530:19
1587:21,21 1589:11
1595:24 1596:1,6
1598:5 1607:3 1649:15
1650:9 1655:5 1660:24
daytime 1435:9
dead 1409:22
deadly 1657:4
deal 1545:18 1547:14
1556:8,16 1606:24
1649:23,24,25
dealings 1615:6
deals 1463:1
decades 1442:19 1457:4
1459:12 1490:14
1544:16
December 1489:13
1509:4 1605:17 1648:18
1648:21 1649:13 1652:2
decide 1648:24
decided 1559:19
decision 1418:2 1424:13
1488:14 1617:25

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decisions 1480:8
1612:25 1613:6
decision-making 1645:7
decommissioned
1495:20
decommissioning
1460:15
decrease 1531:13,16
1570:9,15
decreased 1531:12
decreases 1517:22
1518:3
dedicated 1490:15
deep 1409:21 1445:9
1473:6,7,8 1533:13
1583:17 1591:18
1602:23 1603:2,7,17
deeper 1596:4
defect 1524:10 1569:15
defects 1517:20 1524:2,9
1525:20 1535:18,21,22
1535:24 1536:2 1569:11
defer 1496:23 1652:1
deferring 1594:23
1650:5
deficiencies 1496:22
deficiency 1499:3
deficient 1495:22
define 1411:23 1440:24
1586:6 1619:20 1635:21
defined 1425:3,14
1429:17
defines 1620:9
definitely 1610:3
definition 1585:9,10
degradation 1442:9
1524:15
degrade 1442:6
degree 1415:25 1477:5
1512:20 1513:3 1581:10
1581:14 1588:6 1612:8
1612:9,10
degrees 1433:2
deliberate 1480:7
delimited 1420:2
delivered 1394:15
1616:23
deliveries 1477:11
Delta 1409:17
demanding 1510:23
1652:21

demands 1650:12
demonstrate 1539:3
1573:13
demonstrated 1524:20
1573:9 1594:3
demonstration 1519:5
1520:9
denied 1658:5
denies 1509:9
density 1425:10,12,25
Denver 1390:4,17,23
1513:4,15 1650:3
1662:3,21
deny 1658:6
depart 1650:4
departing 1517:1
department 1390:24
1407:2,3 1408:9,19,23
1409:4,14 1417:18
1441:5 1443:23 1448:5
1448:5,6 1454:23
1455:21 1475:8,17
1491:5 1500:15 1583:8
1583:20 1650:3 1651:9
1651:16 1652:5 1653:7
1653:9 1656:10
departments 1410:6
1449:4,6
department's 1656:8
departs 1430:16
departure 1430:13
dependent 1565:15
depending 1405:4
1421:24 1485:20,24
depends 1546:7 1565:9
1597:2
deposited 1491:10
1492:9 1494:11,19
1499:20
deposition 1437:17
1492:12,14,20,24
1495:13 1503:6
depth 1584:2 1588:15
1589:6,6,7 1591:10
1592:8 1593:18 1598:2
depths 1587:19
describe 1439:22
1504:22 1514:9 1516:20
1517:15 1518:14
1534:10 1576:5 1581:8
1585:3 1612:6,16

1613:11
described 1413:8,14
1422:6 1437:24 1455:7
1466:2,2 1476:23
1526:3,6,7 1595:8
1642:2 1658:9
describes 1454:10
describing 1458:11
1471:13
description 1403:21
1420:22 1430:16 1447:3
desert 1425:8,24 1430:2
1430:8 1438:6 1492:6
1503:11
deserving 1658:22
design 1457:3 1459:18
1460:1 1488:10 1513:23
1513:25 1514:13,13
1516:20,24 1523:8,16
1524:19 1525:2,23
1532:3,15 1533:16
1535:4 1536:22,24
1542:5,14 1543:24,25
1544:1,1,4 1547:14
1548:24 1553:14
1554:23 1557:8,18,20
1560:11 1563:22,23
1564:1 1572:23 1574:4
1574:13 1575:1,7
1577:11,14 1583:6,16
1583:22
designation 1441:6
designed 1517:25
1522:17 1524:6,17
1527:5 1531:4,10
1532:14,19,22 1536:7
1536:19,20 1537:11
1539:24 1540:23
1553:23
designer 1548:23
designers 1549:9
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1534:2 1537:22 1552:22
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despite 1503:22
destructive 1431:16,19
detail 1400:23 1405:25
1418:10 1433:18
1459:20 1518:6 1542:6
1564:1

detailed 1398:1 1404:5


1436:11 1447:18
1454:25 1459:11
1480:15 1533:16 1534:1
1535:4 1660:4
details 1403:13,15
1437:2 1474:21 1553:10
1553:16 1566:10
detect 1524:9 1552:3
1568:21 1589:15
1596:18 1597:14
detectable 1594:11
detected 1550:13,16
1566:14,15 1567:13
1596:7
detection 1524:1 1542:17
1542:19 1566:14
1569:10 1596:21,23
determination 1417:25
1454:3 1480:17,19
1484:6 1585:12
determine 1420:17
1421:9 1457:10 1483:18
1568:1 1595:7 1642:22
1660:17
determined 1449:8
1642:21
determines 1496:8
1510:18 1621:19
determining 1418:25
1500:24
deterring 1531:21
detrimental 1488:4
1499:16 1500:15
develop 1490:12 1549:11
1613:22
developed 1451:18
1642:1
development 1491:22
1585:6,13 1659:24
developments 1613:16
1613:20
device 1597:19,20
1598:16
devices 1598:12
devils 1432:2,12,20
dewater 1460:16
dewatered 1573:19
1574:20
dewatering 1557:3
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dictated 1396:19
dictionary 1479:11
difference 1396:12
1418:5 1419:13 1428:8
1497:25 1547:4 1590:17
1595:12 1619:13
1621:12 1629:3,12
1644:17 1655:7
differences 1422:4,8
1450:2 1595:11 1618:22
1619:11 1620:7,8
1621:11 1629:8,9
1631:21
different 1395:9 1397:19
1415:12 1419:11 1421:6
1428:6,7 1442:24
1444:13 1454:6 1503:5
1530:14 1545:21
1547:11 1559:2,20
1560:9,12 1564:2
1565:25 1602:14
1630:11,23 1633:8,8
1638:20,23 1639:2
differential 1588:25
1589:2,9 1598:7
differentiate 1419:16
difficult 1439:14 1445:7
1445:11 1447:14,19
1482:19 1593:6
diffuse 1527:4
diffusion 1527:2
1595:19
diffusive 1527:6 1595:11
1596:2,11 1597:20
1598:7
dig 1566:23
diligence 1443:11 1654:2
diligent 1649:17
diploma 1581:12,18
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1514:21 1517:7 1584:7
1584:8,12,17 1608:6
1614:1,3 1616:3
direct 1392:7,10,12,13,17
1392:20,21 1416:15
1462:7,9 1475:22,25
1487:3 1507:13,15
1508:22 1509:8 1512:9
1515:20 1541:23

1558:17 1578:13 1579:7


1580:20 1612:1 1616:8
1620:5 1621:14,15,16
1621:16,23 1622:15
direction 1421:7 1422:7
1486:1 1490:25
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directly 1437:5 1484:13
1494:17 1496:20
1526:19 1535:3 1560:13
1617:13
director 1390:5 1500:25
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1587:11 1603:18 1604:1
disappointing 1489:24
disaster 1442:19
disasters 1430:5
disastrous 1443:17
discernible 1629:8
discharge 1395:1,6
disclose 1528:12
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1508:6,10,11,21
1509:20 1514:6 1516:9
1578:23 1579:3 1610:19
1610:22
disclosing 1606:16,17
disclosure 1509:14,22
1510:9,21 1515:12
1528:11 1579:5 1608:23
disclosures 1507:25
1508:11 1509:17
1578:25 1580:19
1607:19 1610:2
discontinuities 1597:16
discovery 1508:7 1509:3
1509:16,17 1510:3,6
1511:10 1607:4
discuss 1428:1 1502:14
1523:11 1641:14
discussed 1419:15
1420:15 1424:21 1440:6
1440:22 1499:8 1533:2
1570:14 1586:24 1601:8
1623:2
discussing 1454:16
1478:18 1510:14
1553:17
discussion 1401:8
1415:25 1431:11

1435:23 1438:24 1450:3


1459:24 1501:8 1508:12
1508:16 1512:16
1520:16 1579:9 1616:25
1641:22
discussions 1426:16
1430:5 1553:11
disease 1583:13
disheartening 1659:17
disk 1401:3,3,3,5,6,7,7
1402:19,19,21 1403:5,5
1403:7,7,7,8 1456:13
disks 1403:3
dismiss 1437:2
dismissal 1626:23
dismissed 1441:19
dispatched 1404:9,13,15
dispersion 1416:23
1420:13,17,23 1421:12
1421:18,20 1423:7
1424:14,17 1425:24
1427:2 1435:3 1436:2,5
1436:8 1437:21 1439:10
1439:17 1441:10
1443:12 1444:3 1447:12
1448:15 1451:14,18
1458:15 1459:15
1460:12 1461:6 1469:16
1469:19 1499:7 1502:11
1502:18 1503:1
dispersivity 1597:1,2
displace 1583:11
display 1598:13 1599:8
disposal 1448:15
disqualify 1500:14
disregards 1431:14
disrupted 1490:2
dissolve 1530:2
dissolved 1532:5
distance 1421:25
1499:15 1592:2 1597:4
1597:10
distances 1421:3,4,10
1442:3 1474:9,13
1654:9
distant 1420:19 1574:9
1574:24
distribution 1427:15
1428:6,7,21 1429:23
1430:17 1433:14
1439:22

distributions 1433:7
1435:24
district 1403:4
ditch 1409:21
Diversity 1390:19
diverted 1583:12
divide 1644:5,6
Division 1395:2 1396:1
1396:17,18 1436:20
1437:23 1583:8,9,11
Division's 1452:17
doctor 1620:15
document 1393:12
1426:9 1427:6 1447:15
1447:16 1451:17 1462:4
1468:20 1478:19
1480:10 1509:16
1515:24 1516:18
1544:11 1550:8 1604:11
1628:13 1630:22,25
documentation 1404:4
documented 1492:18
1586:20 1590:15
1592:25 1593:21
documents 1394:24
1398:13,19,22 1399:23
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1446:23,24,24 1447:5,8
1447:24 1452:20
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1515:5,12 1543:14,22
1543:23 1545:14 1558:2
1564:3 1579:4,6
1580:14,17 1615:17
1656:5 1660:13
DOE 1455:22 1456:2,7
1476:1
dog 1660:9
doggone 1567:19
doing 1409:10 1479:5
1482:14 1485:6 1493:23
1502:2 1540:18 1554:18
1566:18 1588:25
1605:25 1614:17
1631:18 1659:23
DOLA 1490:21 1491:20
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dominate 1527:2
dosage 1421:9
dosages 1420:18
dose 1475:1 1498:5,8
doses 1499:7
DOT 1417:18 1456:5
double 1491:25 1517:24
1521:24 1522:16,20
1534:4,5 1539:21
1540:15 1544:13
doubling 1524:25
doubt 1443:16 1536:6
doughnuts 1653:2
downstream 1422:8
1436:18 1437:19 1439:1
1440:1
downwind 1436:8
1440:4 1492:5 1494:15
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1545:24
Dr 1392:4,10,14,15,18,22
1392:24 1393:10,11,12
1399:18 1402:6,22
1403:9 1408:2,3,6
1411:1,8,10,13 1414:4,7
1414:12,15,20,24
1415:7,10,18,22 1416:5
1416:8,16 1420:16,21
1422:15,17,20 1423:1
1427:10,13,20,25
1447:8 1450:11 1451:10
1451:11 1456:22
1465:18 1468:6,24
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1481:19 1482:12
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1504:4 1517:7,11
1519:11,15,20 1525:4
1525:23 1526:1 1529:14
1530:13 1531:6 1533:3
1534:23 1552:14 1556:1
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1566:7 1570:21 1575:18
1575:25 1576:3,21,22
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1595:2 1598:17 1607:13
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1617:19 1619:3 1620:22

1621:23 1622:4,18
1623:2 1624:5,10,12,18
1626:6,13,16 1630:4,8
1632:24,25 1633:3
1634:2 1637:2 1640:21
1640:23 1644:16 1646:1
1646:3,4,14,18,21
1651:2,4,13 1652:11,15
draft 1505:15
drafts 1472:19
dramatically 1517:22
1518:3 1570:9 1657:2
draw 1472:10 1477:10
1627:20
drawings 1476:17
dried 1588:10
drilled 1587:2 1588:20
1589:12,16 1600:10
driller 1589:19
drilling 1587:9 1589:20
1596:8,8 1600:22
1601:2 1602:8
drinking 1491:12
1494:21
drive 1589:9 1645:11,18
1645:20,23 1646:5
driven 1638:25
driver 1404:10 1409:22
drives 1598:7
driving 1458:23 1518:4
1523:20 1536:8 1570:16
1573:21 1589:1 1598:15
drop 1456:18
droplet 1485:20,21,22
droplets 1589:20
drops 1434:13
drop-by 1493:16
drought 1460:19,19
1569:21
dry 1395:11,22 1408:11
1432:4 1476:12 1554:8
1554:13,15,19 1556:7
1556:17,24 1558:8,20
1558:24 1559:11
1560:14 1587:20 1588:8
1588:21 1589:12,23
drying 1554:15,16
1559:4
due 1422:2 1424:13
1436:17 1443:11
1489:12 1498:8 1560:23

1569:24 1635:20
1648:18 1654:2
duly 1416:13 1578:11
1611:23
Durango 1390:11
duration 1492:8 1498:22
1530:18
DUSEL 1583:17
dust 1417:3,9 1430:19
1431:20 1432:2,6,12,19
1433:9,12 1436:14,15
1436:21 1437:18,25
1438:11,12,14,15
1439:4,8,8,9,11,25
1440:2,4 1441:11,15,20
1442:2 1445:13 1458:16
1461:12 1475:3 1476:22
1492:6,12,13 1498:18
1498:22 1499:1,4,8,10
1503:6,10
DVD 1493:15 1504:15
1609:3,3
dwell 1597:12
E
E 1392:1 1393:1 1394:1,1
ear 1600:5,7
earlier 1437:14 1494:14
1513:16 1516:12 1523:1
1526:12 1647:18
1648:19
early 1521:2 1532:8
easiest 1403:1
easily 1498:14 1523:25
east 1435:14 1492:7
1645:17
Eastern 1468:2
east-to-west 1494:11
east-west 1489:15
easy 1425:11 1439:15
1506:25
econometrics 1612:15
economic 1618:23
1619:10 1622:18 1623:3
1623:11 1625:3 1633:18
1643:4 1658:3,11
economically 1657:14
1658:14
economics 1612:9
1613:8,12 1623:17
1630:10

economy 1500:16
1612:19 1621:20
1657:21 1658:3
ecotones 1660:6
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Edgar 1533:12
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1607:8,16,20,24
1608:13 1609:4 1611:5
1614:12 1615:3,12,16
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1565:2
edition 1492:16
editor 1454:5
education 1469:15
1581:3 1582:14
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1581:8 1612:6
effect 1435:8 1437:2
1439:6 1440:2,23
1442:16 1456:2 1475:13
1531:25 1547:12
1575:11 1627:21
effective 1485:12
1531:21,24
effectively 1527:25
effectiveness 1526:11
1660:15
effects 1436:8 1440:6,6,8
1440:18 1441:20 1476:5
1487:15 1488:5 1498:21
1500:4,4,15 1575:10
1610:13 1625:21 1636:1
effluents 1422:11
1435:13
effort 1409:11 1437:21
1461:12 1511:11
1633:16
efforts 1490:9,12 1494:4
1623:19,20 1625:14
1653:18
EIA 1419:16 1431:7
1434:18 1437:24
1442:15 1443:22 1446:1
1453:12 1454:2,7,9
1484:9 1505:15,18
1506:8 1656:16,17
1659:15 1660:6
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1434:20 1485:10
1502:20 1572:11
1635:18 1647:16
1660:11
elect 1611:19
electrical 1530:21
element 1631:1
elevated 1496:10
elevation 1492:21
1497:25 1588:7 1591:7
elevations 1598:2
eleventh 1412:17
eliminate 1536:1
1598:22
eliminated 1535:23,25
else's 1406:25 1591:12
embankment 1554:18
emergency 1400:5
1402:7,10,12 1403:11
1403:14,18,19 1404:5,6
1404:7,12,12,14 1406:7
1406:16 1407:11,15,21
1408:7,21 1409:2,12
1410:13,16 1411:22,23
1412:19 1413:5,7
1431:8 1445:14 1446:7
1461:22
emergent 1657:21
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1443:12 1495:12
emissions 1395:21
1420:13,17 1422:9
1424:16 1425:24 1436:2
1436:5 1439:17 1441:10
1441:13 1443:9 1444:12
1448:15 1497:7,8
1554:25 1555:5,14,20
1556:8,11,16,21
1562:15
emitted 1494:17 1555:10
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1426:15 1441:19 1442:4
1447:11,20 1457:24
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1626:24
employed 1520:20
1538:11 1633:6 1662:13
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employers 1582:6

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1582:13 1621:14,15,16
1621:18 1622:15
1638:10,13
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EMT 1446:6
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1390:10 1393:7 1394:17
1394:18 1395:5,24
1397:5,24,24 1398:4
1399:4,8 1404:8
1405:19 1418:4 1419:17
1420:16 1446:16
1455:21 1457:4 1464:7
1465:5 1467:2 1470:22
1473:25 1475:8 1482:19
1491:1 1494:22 1495:3
1496:1,11 1497:23
1500:15 1503:23
1507:24 1508:25
1509:11 1510:9 1511:5
1516:14 1517:2 1535:2
1539:7 1540:22 1541:18
1552:22 1553:1,6,7
1560:7,21 1583:21
1585:1,4,18 1602:19
1605:1 1607:19 1614:13
1614:17,21 1615:3,11
1617:2,7 1619:8,12,21
1620:25 1621:21,24
1622:2 1631:7 1638:9
1638:11,12 1655:9,14
1656:4,19 1657:19
1659:17,25
enforcement 1404:15
engaging 1506:12
engineer 1513:5,9
1516:24
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engineering 1439:23
1443:11 1460:22,25
1476:17 1512:21,24
1526:2 1538:16 1546:5

1557:14,18,19 1560:20
1581:11,14,21 1583:17
1655:22
engineers 1426:20
1584:24
England 1613:4,10
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1534:10
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1532:14
enhancement 1442:23
enhancing 1569:10
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enjoyed 1659:3
ensemble 1421:22
1422:3 1423:2,6,10,10
1423:13,22,25 1424:2
Ensemble-like 1423:3
ensure 1404:9 1407:11
1407:21 1410:6 1495:13
1525:18 1573:15
entailed 1582:20 1599:9
entails 1583:25
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entering 1444:5,18
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1536:23 1571:24
1572:12 1603:5 1656:21
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entity 1467:3
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1513:15 1514:14
1610:21 1612:21 1653:7
1653:10,12 1656:12
1659:10
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1395:12 1400:21
1407:14 1419:15
1423:15 1441:18
1448:11,11 1470:19,20
1471:16,18 1472:23,24
1475:9,12 1476:4
1479:23 1480:2 1489:17
1497:9 1501:21 1505:8
1518:19 1519:1 1608:13
1610:7,14,18 1611:1,4,6
1611:7 1612:25 1613:4
1613:5 1614:12 1615:16

1615:17,18 1616:13,19
1617:24 1618:3 1623:2
1628:12,14,17,19,24
1629:6 1639:11 1656:5
1656:6,24 1659:8,12,15
1660:3,3,5
environmentally
1513:23
eolian 1492:13
EPA 1396:8 1490:20
1517:5 1526:14 1563:21
1564:4 1634:20 1636:21
equal 1449:23 1530:23
1530:24
equally 1561:22
equals 1566:5
equation 1565:23 1566:2
1566:3
equipment 1552:12
equivalent 1581:13
ER 1419:16 1438:20
era 1655:12
erosion 1460:9 1477:13
erratic 1587:8
escape 1593:15
especially 1443:9
1444:25 1445:12 1483:9
1569:21 1590:6 1652:22
1657:22
Esq 1390:2,3,5,9,12,16,21
essential 1447:5 1481:12
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1460:8 1522:17 1525:7
1605:2 1641:20
establish 1493:2
established 1404:21
1449:23 1478:5,6
estate 1631:23
estimate 1397:22 1398:1
1398:6 1436:22 1439:24
1444:6 1477:6 1499:7
1626:20 1631:7 1645:4
estimated 1443:25
1618:25 1619:5,9,12
1620:7,10 1621:21
1622:2 1645:10
estimates 1397:23
1405:11,18 1444:11
1446:2 1455:5,12
1619:17 1620:2,3
estimating 1620:16

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et 1418:20
Ethington 1533:12
1651:10
evacuate 1604:10
evacuated 1595:23
1596:5
evaluate 1615:20
evaluation 1581:18
evaluations 1613:25
evaporation 1425:23
1482:16,20 1483:8
1531:4,13,16,22,23
1532:1,3,7,11,14,17,21
1532:23,24 1548:12,17
1549:8 1568:16,17
1569:23 1570:2,9,11
1585:21
evaporites 1593:22
event 1403:24 1404:7
1412:19 1425:14,18
1431:19 1437:22 1484:9
1484:10 1485:23 1495:9
1551:6 1603:19 1604:2
1646:9
events 1425:2 1431:9
1432:24 1433:9,10
1435:3,20 1436:21
1483:16,20 1485:12,13
1492:12 1498:19,22
eventual 1482:25
eventually 1587:2
1646:10
Event-Based 1492:20
everybody 1422:21
1426:8 1427:19,22
1446:17 1473:9 1479:7
1479:9 1502:13 1505:6
1511:11 1621:6 1652:18
evidence 1398:9 1437:1
1449:15 1528:4 1529:5
1591:1 1625:8,12
1629:15 1632:19
1648:11 1653:13 1656:3
1657:3,11
evidenced 1626:19
evident 1593:19
evolves 1472:7
EX 1587:20
exacerbate 1455:24
exacerbates 1442:22

exact 1553:9,15
exactly 1397:17 1437:11
1438:6 1533:25 1567:16
1567:21,23 1579:22
1593:7 1597:19 1642:17
Exam 1392:13
Examination 1392:3,5
1392:12,13,17,20,20,21
1394:4 1411:4 1416:15
1487:3 1512:9 1514:21
1515:20 1578:13 1612:1
1614:3 1616:8
examine 1499:11,19
examined 1578:12
1601:23 1611:24
example 1406:13
1426:18 1448:7 1543:10
1610:4 1632:18 1633:24
1634:4 1635:3,7,11,13
1635:14 1636:10
1660:19
examples 1539:12
1636:12
excavate 1588:15
excavations 1582:24
1583:22 1597:15
exceed 1425:6 1430:21
1441:16
exceedance 1432:23
1434:5
exceedances 1495:9
exceeded 1430:1 1537:21
1542:21
exceeding 1425:18
exceeds 1425:16 1437:25
1496:4 1539:4
excellent 1527:6 1556:25
excerpt 1497:14
excess 1401:24 1592:7
excessive 1430:19,20
1443:6
exclude 1611:19
excursion 1602:16
excuse 1396:17 1411:10
1458:17 1536:20
1568:24 1582:25
1601:19 1604:16
executive 1449:3
exercise 1580:1 1655:9
exercises 1409:7
exhibit 1393:3,4,5,8,11

1393:12 1401:14 1411:6


1411:14,17 1414:17,25
1415:20,21,23 1419:9
1427:3,5,8,9 1516:8,14
1580:11,12,15 1608:17
1617:2,2,3,7
exhibits 1393:2,7,10
1427:5 1580:7,24
exist 1405:25 1483:12
1603:22 1626:1
existing 1442:23 1488:8
1589:14 1594:6 1626:8
exists 1632:12 1633:15
1633:16,17,18 1658:7
expand 1396:7 1397:5,16
expansive 1596:16
expect 1446:5 1485:6
1625:24
expectations 1533:24
1539:6
expected 1532:15 1608:4
1638:12
expecting 1394:18
expeditions 1448:18
expensive 1420:6 1459:8
experience 1434:19
1448:17 1469:15 1470:9
1513:2,21 1514:3
1521:21 1568:8 1582:14
1587:24 1613:12
1615:14,22 1652:22
1654:20,20
experienced 1459:7
expert 1418:11 1469:15
1469:24 1470:8,13
1474:5 1487:6 1496:19
1497:1 1503:7 1507:25
1508:11 1509:25
1510:11,22 1512:15
1514:18 1550:3 1551:20
1555:15,20 1578:19
1580:18,18 1581:4
1584:5,25 1606:19
1607:9 1608:23 1610:20
1610:22 1611:5 1612:5
1613:24 1625:23 1658:9
expertise 1444:20
1447:13 1470:2 1472:3
1474:18,22 1520:19
1548:3,4 1551:13
1555:6,8,13 1576:11

1584:18 1629:24
experts 1503:4 1510:16
1607:19
expires 1662:18
explain 1401:10 1502:17
1503:3 1617:21 1633:16
explained 1484:23
1619:14 1620:8 1636:15
explaining 1633:18
explains 1469:13
1621:11
explanation 1449:20
1630:23
explicitly 1642:2
explore 1448:19
explosion 1403:23
exposed 1395:22 1571:17
1573:1 1598:6
exposure 1401:23
1499:18,19
express 1652:23
expressed 1455:23
1505:2
expressing 1493:8
extended 1444:19 1598:4
extends 1492:1
extensive 1447:18
extent 1442:5 1511:18
1535:20 1555:19 1573:1
1591:24 1626:1
external 1397:23
extreme 1400:18 1416:23
1442:16 1445:12
1483:12
extremely 1530:11
1574:12
eye 1459:7
E-mail 1393:3 1414:21
1422:20 1427:18 1518:9
1564:17 1580:11 1609:2
1617:11 1647:14,18
1648:1,2,7 1650:14
E-mailed 1526:18
1528:19,21
E-mails 1647:15
F
F 1392:12
facilitate 1523:25
facilities 1465:7,22
1466:1,3,5 1513:24

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1521:23 1522:10
1533:17 1548:20
1549:20 1602:25
1623:10 1625:22
facility 1397:13 1409:6
1464:8 1492:24 1495:11
1495:17,19,25 1496:9
1496:15 1533:6 1546:16
1548:14,22 1554:15,21
1554:23 1555:3 1625:20
1626:3 1628:4,6
1656:20
facing 1426:17
fact 1405:25 1444:10
1449:14 1454:23
1459:23 1461:4 1477:8
1484:11 1503:25
1508:20 1510:23 1545:5
1553:19 1569:24 1588:9
1592:18 1630:20 1654:4
facts 1398:9 1649:8
Faegre 1390:2 1420:10
1450:24
fail 1601:18,20 1660:1,13
failed 1494:23
failing 1601:22
fails 1543:16
failure 1544:3 1568:1
1602:16
failures 1601:24
fair 1461:2 1463:6
1468:18 1478:2 1482:18
1483:11 1525:22
1571:25 1572:9 1575:9
fairly 1527:19
faith 1502:5
fall 1425:3 1444:7
fallen 1657:1
familiar 1476:11 1505:8
1539:8,10,15 1541:16
1558:4,6 1562:23
1563:14 1627:15
1628:13,14 1634:23
1646:7
families 1489:7
far 1396:23 1406:18
1437:25 1448:14
1449:20 1452:20
1457:10 1458:21 1484:2
1484:20 1498:11

1542:22 1544:2 1545:17


1546:23,24 1548:6,21
1560:18 1561:24 1565:1
1571:14,18 1572:23
1574:18 1599:9 1607:6
1627:15 1644:23
farther 1588:5
fast 1487:20,21 1511:9
1588:5 1609:25
fat 1430:12
fatal 1472:24 1473:5
fault 1464:23
favorite 1534:21
feasibility 1482:23
1484:2
feature 1470:5
features 1561:21
Fed 1476:2
federal 1405:5 1413:9,10
1413:14,15 1448:20
1465:9 1466:6,15
1553:18 1563:11
1613:16 1615:19,21
1656:1
federally 1553:20
feed 1394:15,19 1440:25
feedback 1482:7
feeder 1455:24
feel 1422:6 1588:16
feet 1409:21 1421:1
1432:7,9 1483:3
1489:14 1498:3 1519:7
1520:25 1522:15
1524:17,21 1565:18
1583:23 1587:7,9
1589:6 1591:8 1592:5
1593:23 1602:23 1603:2
1603:7,16,23
fell 1408:20 1637:11
felt 1395:20 1450:13
1474:23 1480:17
1504:10,19
fence 1420:18 1474:7
Fermi 1583:21
field 1418:11 1426:4
1470:1,10 1472:12
1501:10 1526:22
1530:11 1532:7
fields 1432:5
fight 1443:9
fighting 1442:20

figure 1423:14 1428:2,12


1428:17,19 1429:14
1431:2 1434:23,23
1435:6,6 1453:8
figured 1564:7
figures 1430:18 1433:6
figuring 1640:24 1641:4
Filas 1392:3 1394:6
1414:3 1438:3,8
1497:23 1508:4,5
1509:1 1533:7 1534:6
1554:11 1609:12 1638:4
1638:7 1659:19,20
files 1651:8,9,18
filing 1511:15,15,16
fill 1435:15
filled 1622:1,3
filtered 1555:1
final 1396:10 1409:14
1418:2 1449:8 1454:3
1533:16 1564:1
finalized 1505:13
finally 1400:21 1527:13
1534:21
financial 1615:6,11
find 1403:2 1417:14
1437:11 1446:25
1454:21 1456:16
1457:11 1555:22
1557:24 1561:4,5,16
1567:3,25 1569:8
1661:2
finding 1637:11
findings 1585:9 1607:15
1623:25 1648:17 1649:8
1649:16
fine 1422:24 1476:25
1482:14 1502:24
1508:25
finish 1461:8 1510:2
1550:19 1563:5
finished 1503:13
1629:21
Finke 1512:8
fire 1403:23 1404:2,14,17
1407:2,3 1410:2,22
1412:16 1442:13,17,20
1442:22,23,24 1443:8,9
1443:10 1446:6
fires 1403:25 1442:22
firm 1513:17 1614:21

1623:17
first 1390:22 1401:2
1403:5 1404:2 1414:16
1416:22 1442:12
1446:17 1450:15 1453:8
1453:17 1458:22 1486:8
1486:18 1499:6 1512:18
1518:14,20 1519:19
1520:3 1523:17 1534:12
1535:10 1550:12
1558:14 1564:15
1578:11 1582:17 1587:4
1588:2 1589:16,25
1590:23 1593:21 1594:9
1594:21 1595:6 1602:4
1606:10,18 1608:8,15
1611:23 1619:18
1653:23 1655:1,11
fish 1583:10 1660:10
fisheries 1583:14 1613:7
fit 1660:25
five 1419:18 1468:24
1488:21 1503:17 1509:3
1551:21 1553:9 1607:2
1619:4 1625:22 1626:2
1637:10
fix 1471:24
flat 1426:17 1445:18
1474:3,6,17 1497:20
1607:5 1624:24
flaw 1567:25
flawless 1536:24
flaws 1472:24 1525:9
1568:21 1569:8
floor 1390:22 1425:9
1478:5
flow 1447:4 1532:19
1534:18 1565:3,8,9,11
1566:6 1567:14 1568:3
1568:5 1574:7,9
1597:20,22
flowing 1437:8
flows 1657:18
fluctuation 1604:12
fluid 1565:10 1593:14,15
fluids 1551:1
fly 1432:8
flying 1432:3,11
focus 1440:21
focused 1438:25 1460:24
1514:12 1612:21

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focusing 1461:1
folder 1401:5,7 1402:19
1403:8
folders 1401:4 1403:6,6
folks 1396:3 1434:19
1442:1 1470:12 1509:8
1535:10 1606:24
1609:14 1648:13
1650:18 1658:14 1659:3
follow 1422:23 1424:3
1435:23 1477:23
1659:21 1660:1
followed 1661:6
following 1403:20
1404:8 1439:16 1466:10
1516:1 1525:3 1526:22
follows 1416:14 1578:12
1611:24
Food 1613:7
foot 1589:6 1650:15
footprint 1490:24
forbid 1409:22
force 1480:24
forced 1426:24
forces 1446:9
forcing 1503:22
foregoing 1662:10
foreign 1488:13
forest 1442:20,22
1490:19 1493:25
1615:19
forever 1490:2
forewarned 1652:14
forget 1651:15
forgive 1489:1
forgot 1416:4 1445:3
1477:7
Fork 1491:17
form 1400:9 1419:24
1431:18 1435:11 1590:1
1662:10
formal 1469:14 1643:17
format 1420:1,6 1447:16
formation 1588:9,9
1590:1,2 1592:4
1593:22 1594:10
1601:17 1603:11
1604:21
formed 1624:22
former 1583:18

forms 1649:7
forth 1430:5 1446:15
1449:21 1454:4 1496:24
1533:23 1536:2 1537:21
1539:5,6,20 1552:12
1626:15 1643:11,20
1662:9
forward 1437:7 1469:9
1509:18 1538:1,4
1557:12 1578:17
1606:19 1653:16
1654:25 1655:15
1658:10,17,23 1660:16
1661:7
found 1433:8 1443:22
1447:3 1506:15 1528:15
1545:9 1561:8 1585:11
1586:14,24 1587:10,22
1590:11,18 1603:9,21
1623:19 1625:7,11
1635:23
Foundation 1490:18
1583:20
foundational 1605:15
founded 1489:4
four 1433:10,12 1492:11
1496:6 1508:17 1538:9
1593:23 1607:21 1623:9
1623:16 1636:12
1649:15
four-zip 1620:23,24
1621:1 1622:22 1631:5
fowl 1570:12
frame 1649:18
frames 1495:14
framework 1446:23
Frank 1392:3 1411:8
1461:17 1497:23 1508:4
1508:5 1509:1 1534:13
1609:12 1638:4,6
1659:19,20
free 1488:9
frequencies 1400:20
frequency 1427:15
1428:20 1429:23 1433:7
1435:24 1439:22 1492:8
1499:1
Friday 1487:9 1514:25
1517:6 1520:13 1617:18
1617:19 1619:4 1624:6
1624:13

friendly 1450:4
front 1401:15 1416:18
1428:1 1437:15 1562:14
1576:9
fuel 1404:17 1443:10
fuels 1389:5 1390:4,7
1393:7 1394:17,19
1395:5,24 1397:5,24,24
1398:4 1399:4,9 1404:8
1405:19 1418:4 1419:17
1420:16 1446:16 1457:4
1464:7 1465:5 1467:2
1470:22 1473:25
1482:19 1494:22 1495:3
1496:2,11 1497:23
1503:23 1507:24
1508:25 1509:12 1510:9
1516:14 1517:2 1535:2
1539:7 1540:22 1541:18
1552:22 1553:1,6,8
1560:7,21 1585:4,18
1602:19,20 1605:1
1607:19 1614:13,17,21
1615:3,11 1617:3,7
1619:8,12,21 1620:25
1621:21,25 1622:2
1631:7 1638:9,11,12
1655:9,14 1656:4,19
1657:19 1659:17,25
fugitive 1417:9 1441:11
full 1409:20 1439:8
1471:9 1480:10 1484:16
1486:21 1512:7 1578:5
1606:7
fully 1544:19
function 1544:3 1568:14
functioning 1602:1
functions 1642:21
fund 1491:21
fundamental 1649:8
1655:7 1656:4,7
funded 1500:11
funders 1489:10
further 1392:5 1408:1
1411:4 1412:23 1413:23
1414:2 1439:3 1468:10
1468:17 1486:9,16
1496:11 1511:25
1524:22 1537:19 1540:8
1542:15 1550:20 1562:2
1575:16 1579:25

1603:23 1616:3 1647:6


1662:7,12
Furthermore 1421:1
1437:2
future 1396:6 1489:23
1493:3 1574:9,24
1575:2,5 1585:13
1614:21
G
G 1394:1
gain 1472:5 1477:16
1573:15 1630:6
game 1453:14 1579:25
gamma 1401:23 1404:25
gamut 1465:12
garbage 1642:16 1643:2
gas 1613:15
Gateway 1441:4
gather 1485:5
gathered 1586:5
Gaussian 1420:23
1421:12 1423:7 1497:20
1502:11,18,25
GCL 1524:20,24 1525:1
1526:8 1527:9 1529:21
1529:23 1530:4,17,22
1531:1,2 1539:23
1547:18 1548:10
1549:12 1577:12
general 1390:21,22
1406:11 1426:5 1442:22
1443:14 1469:23
1480:16 1484:7 1485:19
1487:12 1489:8 1502:12
1540:17 1626:21 1627:7
generalized 1498:7
generally 1428:9,11,18
1430:14 1432:14
1457:15 1517:15,18
1545:12 1546:13
1571:17 1572:24
1576:11 1578:18 1621:7
1623:6 1625:21 1644:20
1644:23 1645:8
generations 1424:4
1488:15 1489:23
generic 1400:6
gentleman 1647:12
geochemical 1546:25
geochemist 1547:1

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1631:10 1634:1 1635:9
1635:22 1636:5
geographical 1494:10
1628:22
geological 1512:21
1581:10 1585:25
1600:15
geologist 1600:24
geomembrane 1514:12
1517:18,21 1520:3,6,9
1521:2,3,4 1522:13
1523:6,19,23,24,25
1524:5,15 1525:11,18
1527:4,9,17 1529:16
1536:9 1538:6 1539:22
1540:1 1542:17,19
1544:12,13,20,22,23
1545:7,8 1547:17
1560:12 1570:15
geomembranes 1527:15
1545:16 1569:2,3
geomembrane-lined
1514:1 1534:14
George 1623:18
Georgia 1512:24 1513:2
1513:4
Geoscience 1492:15
geosynthetic 1524:18
1529:21 1574:14
Geosynthetics 1545:15
geotechnical 1512:23
1513:17 1514:19
1516:24 1546:24 1586:3
1593:19 1602:7
getting 1450:16,20,25
1475:3 1482:6 1568:4
1570:11 1611:18,18
1654:4
Giroud 1526:14 1566:1,4
give 1416:20 1446:24
1448:21 1450:23
1493:17 1555:21
1566:12 1579:11
1594:21 1607:13
1611:14 1633:13
1651:24
given 1394:16 1415:22
1426:9 1453:21 1472:13
1483:5 1498:24 1499:1
1501:6 1502:1 1506:1

1509:23 1536:6 1537:12


1546:9 1555:4 1556:25
1565:3 1574:12 1607:24
1608:4 1609:21,25
1647:25
gives 1466:12 1474:10
1524:8
glad 1455:22 1459:3
1480:23 1502:19
1533:18
Glendale 1612:13
glider 1432:1,7
Globally 1513:25
glove 1655:15
go 1396:25 1397:7,13
1402:24 1406:10
1408:18 1409:19
1412:16 1414:5,7
1416:10 1418:10 1424:7
1425:15 1429:12
1432:20 1433:21 1434:7
1434:9 1435:5,17,20,21
1443:21 1445:23 1446:3
1453:15 1456:8 1464:20
1471:24 1472:19
1473:14 1487:20,20
1504:17,18 1510:17
1515:19 1522:25
1528:13 1535:10
1547:22 1549:1,22
1552:17 1556:2 1562:13
1563:5,16 1565:24
1568:10 1570:7 1571:18
1574:18 1578:19
1580:25 1588:5 1594:20
1599:1 1606:14 1607:2
1611:20 1620:14 1621:3
1621:5,5,7 1627:15
1629:20 1637:15
1641:25 1644:1,4,5
1649:15 1652:13
1653:16,21 1654:25
1660:23
Goad 1390:21 1415:4
1501:2 1507:16 1564:16
1584:10 1605:9,10
1616:4 1646:23,25
1650:6,8,21 1651:14
1652:3,4
goal 1572:12
GOCO 1490:21

God 1409:22
goes 1405:6 1409:15
1412:15 1429:11
1430:15 1432:18
1440:14 1483:3 1512:17
1536:25 1568:9 1569:20
1631:10
going 1394:8 1396:4
1404:22 1405:24 1407:4
1417:13 1427:7 1431:22
1433:6 1435:15,18,20
1435:21 1440:13 1441:9
1446:14 1447:6 1451:13
1454:17 1455:8 1459:13
1460:2 1462:16 1463:25
1464:13,18 1467:21
1468:6,9 1469:2 1470:1
1476:12 1477:12
1481:10 1485:15
1493:21 1495:5 1500:5
1504:13 1511:20 1512:2
1512:12,14,15 1517:12
1517:12 1518:8,8
1525:7 1528:15,23
1530:23 1531:7 1541:10
1541:22 1546:16
1547:17 1548:12 1549:7
1549:7 1551:21 1553:20
1557:12 1561:5 1567:7
1567:18 1570:17 1571:3
1579:23 1580:10,12,14
1580:15 1581:2,5
1605:2 1609:16 1610:3
1611:16,17 1612:4
1615:6 1617:9 1630:6
1634:6 1637:4 1642:21
1643:22 1644:25 1645:4
1648:5,11,13,16 1649:6
1652:14,15 1657:11
1659:6
gold 1521:18
Golder 1393:4 1513:8,12
1516:23,25 1517:1
1552:25 1580:13
good 1394:6 1440:7
1446:1 1450:11,12
1456:15 1459:8 1461:15
1462:10 1474:3 1479:4
1480:10 1482:12
1503:17 1514:23
1525:19 1536:3,18

1537:3 1539:2 1546:10


1552:15 1561:1,8,9
1599:5 1614:5 1649:22
1658:7,8
Goodman 1392:19
1606:5,9,12 1608:17
1609:12,16 1610:1,6
1611:6,22 1612:4
1613:24 1614:5 1616:10
1617:8
gorgeous 1655:3
gotten 1468:16 1493:5
1595:10,10
government 1463:7
governments 1443:14
governor 1449:3,5,9
governor's 1418:1
1449:2
grade 1460:2 1583:23
1587:7 1591:8 1593:23
graduate 1442:11
1612:10,11,14
graduating 1512:22
grains 1588:14
Grand 1409:17 1421:16
1442:9 1457:14 1644:1
1644:8,22
grant 1491:1
grants 1491:20
grasped 1505:11
grateful 1495:5
great 1442:3 1452:5,13
1459:20,24 1520:12
1646:9 1648:3 1654:8,9
1659:10
greater 1425:17 1432:25
1433:9 1443:4 1527:17
1587:19 1595:13
greatly 1460:11 1646:5
groceries 1639:8
grocery 1621:4 1639:8
1644:21
Grossman 1391:2 1392:4
1392:6,10,14,15,18,22
1392:24 1393:12
1399:18 1402:6,22
1403:9 1408:2,3,6
1411:1,10,13 1414:4,7
1414:12,15,20,24
1415:7,10,18,21,22
1416:5,8,12,16 1422:15

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1427:9,10,13,20,25
1447:8 1450:11 1451:10
1456:22 1465:18 1468:6
1468:24 1469:8 1481:19
1482:12 1486:12,13,15
1497:4 1501:3,5
1503:14 1519:11,15,20
1556:1 1564:14,18,21
1564:24 1566:7 1570:21
1575:18,25 1576:3,21
1576:22 1584:20,21
1594:20,25 1595:2
1598:17 1640:21,23
1644:16 1646:1,3,4,14
1646:18,21 1651:2,4,13
1652:11,15
Grossman's 1393:10,11
1411:8
ground 1423:11,12,23,24
1429:2 1432:17 1497:11
1533:14 1586:7
Groundhog 1450:14
grounds 1496:20
groundwater 1448:16
1491:15 1500:13 1533:6
1543:17 1549:25 1564:6
1564:7 1583:7,12
1584:1,23 1585:10,12
1586:7,9,19,19 1587:4
1588:6 1593:8,8
1594:17 1597:23
1600:11,20,21 1601:13
1602:6 1603:13,15
ground-penetrating
1596:18,21 1597:11,14
group 1389:1 1417:23
groups 1418:3,7 1449:18
1449:24
growth 1623:8
guaranties 1496:15
guess 1398:17 1402:16
1409:13,14 1414:17
1427:6 1447:21 1474:14
1478:1 1505:12 1541:15
1580:4 1609:15 1629:21
1645:13
guidance 1446:24 1618:3
1618:21 1658:18
guidelines 1403:20
1618:4

gullies 1445:9
gully 1445:24
Gunnison 1660:8,9,21
gust 1429:16,17,22
1431:1,3 1483:16
gusts 1429:10,25 1430:3
1434:8,8,8 1443:3
guy 1445:21
guys 1445:3 1451:6,7
1506:24 1624:15
G-i-r-o-u-d 1566:4
H
H 1390:5
habitat 1610:15
half 1453:23 1457:5
1545:24 1595:14 1658:1
halfway 1644:2
half-life 1498:13
hall 1493:14
hand 1416:4 1461:24
1486:18 1512:4 1578:2
1606:3 1637:25 1655:14
1658:1
handle 1419:20 1559:14
handled 1477:13
handling 1403:25 1404:1
1404:10 1546:11 1560:2
1583:25
hands 1488:25 1490:23
Hang 1608:25
happen 1406:9 1485:15
1500:16 1503:7,22
1534:17 1591:25 1592:6
1593:17 1597:10
1627:12,17 1649:25
1659:13
happened 1407:18
1408:12 1524:2 1603:17
1649:24
happening 1471:10
1505:3 1537:2 1560:6
1595:9
happens 1428:10
1500:17 1566:15 1567:5
1588:20 1593:25 1594:4
1597:6 1645:20
happy 1456:24 1458:19
1458:20 1468:20
hard 1431:18 1439:15
1443:8 1446:19 1453:8

1476:17 1516:8 1525:8


1536:3 1635:15 1655:5
harmed 1625:13,14
hatcheries 1583:10,12
haulage 1400:3,6
1410:13 1413:1
hauling 1406:12 1410:20
1463:1 1559:2
hazardous 1403:22
1412:13 1562:16 1590:7
hazards 1403:22 1404:17
1404:18,19 1581:25
HDPE 1527:4,14 1529:16
1529:19 1544:23 1545:7
1545:8,16
head 1449:3 1481:9
1518:4 1523:20 1536:8
1570:16 1573:21
headache 1395:18
headed 1430:14
heads 1607:25
health 1390:24 1403:23
1488:6 1491:5 1494:25
1499:16 1502:7 1650:3
1651:8,16 1653:7,9,10
heap 1514:1 1521:10,11
1521:17 1544:7
hear 1394:10 1446:22
1482:4,9 1511:21
1512:2 1573:6 1584:15
1611:15 1640:10
1641:22 1645:11
1646:20 1650:9 1654:15
1657:19,21
heard 1394:7,14,22
1395:9,11 1451:23
1452:15 1457:1,12
1459:17 1468:11 1472:2
1476:7,19 1488:10,11
1501:8 1505:10 1525:10
1530:7 1576:5 1585:14
1599:17 1606:18
1617:19 1640:13
1646:16 1649:6,12
1653:13,20 1656:3
1657:9,16
hearing 1389:3,18
1394:2 1398:19 1405:10
1406:4 1408:2,4
1413:24 1414:4,9,13,18
1414:22,24 1415:16,19

1416:3,5,7,10 1422:22
1427:7,11,17,21 1428:4
1447:6 1449:20 1450:5
1450:8 1452:10,24
1456:10,15 1459:23
1462:8 1464:21 1465:17
1466:19,23 1467:11
1468:11,18 1469:1,3,5
1469:16,25,25 1475:20
1476:6 1478:10 1480:24
1481:21,24 1485:4,17
1486:11,17,19,21,24
1487:5 1502:23 1504:1
1504:13 1506:17,21
1507:1,4,6,10,14,19
1509:3,10 1510:4,25
1511:9,13,13,24,25
1512:4,6,7 1514:20
1515:18,23 1516:11,17
1518:23 1519:13 1522:5
1528:7,17 1529:2,6
1535:9 1540:20 1541:12
1541:24 1551:22 1552:8
1552:11 1555:22
1556:12 1557:6 1563:4
1563:13 1564:13 1566:3
1570:23 1575:17,19,22
1576:1,21 1577:1,17,19
1577:23 1578:1,3,5,7,9
1579:13,17,23 1580:3,9
1580:21,25 1582:10
1583:1 1584:7,11,17,20
1594:19,23 1598:19
1599:1 1605:9,11,13,21
1605:25 1606:3,6,7,10
1606:13 1607:3,16
1608:5,18,20,25 1609:7
1610:5,24 1611:9,13
1614:1 1616:5,7,11,22
1617:4 1618:12 1619:22
1624:7,21 1637:13
1640:16,20 1644:14
1646:1,14,19,23 1647:1
1647:5,7,10,24 1648:4
1648:10,21 1649:4,16
1649:20,23 1650:17,23
1651:3,6,22 1652:3,9,13
1654:23 1655:8,11
1656:14 1658:25 1659:4
1661:8,10
hearings 1418:8 1440:7

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hearsay 1504:12 1624:24
heck 1440:15 1459:1
height 1419:14,14
1425:21 1431:5
hell 1408:14 1434:21
Hello 1578:15
help 1447:5 1454:14
1461:10 1506:8 1598:19
helped 1598:21 1609:14
1625:14
helpful 1450:25 1462:17
helping 1470:4
Hermosa 1592:4 1593:22
1594:10 1596:4 1603:10
1604:21
heterogeneity 1597:2
high 1417:3,7 1426:25
1429:1 1431:6,9 1435:9
1437:22 1439:12 1484:8
1484:9 1485:12,12,23
1490:10 1492:8,20
1494:7 1498:8,15,22
1529:24 1542:12
1567:14 1592:13
1595:13
higher 1418:15 1419:8
1431:1 1521:14 1598:14
highest 1429:22
highlights 1403:16
highly 1426:4
Highway 1441:3
highways 1413:16
hikers 1489:19
Hill 1554:1,2 1557:8,13
1644:4 1655:20
hire 1400:7
hired 1496:18
historic 1520:17,21,22
historical 1487:25
1488:3 1500:8 1645:18
1645:23 1646:9
historically 1518:15
1523:3,4 1658:13
history 1581:21
hit 1401:17 1403:16
1439:13 1640:15
hits 1498:4
hoc 1448:3
Hold 1571:1
hole 1587:4 1589:5

1597:24
holes 1550:14 1586:1,3
1586:20 1598:3 1600:8
1600:9,12,14,23
1601:11
home 1488:24 1489:9
1632:5,5,9,14 1634:4,8
1634:13 1635:4,23
1636:16,24
homegrown 1489:7
homeowners 1441:25
homes 1489:11 1491:23
1629:11,13,13
Homestake 1583:18
honest 1458:8
Honor 1398:8 1401:1
1415:11 1422:14 1452:6
1452:9 1456:17 1462:5
1465:14 1466:17
1468:14,17,22 1475:14
1485:14 1501:1 1504:11
1508:9,19 1509:19
1510:20 1511:23 1512:3
1514:18 1515:17 1516:7
1516:9,15 1522:1
1528:3,23 1535:8
1541:21 1551:19 1562:2
1563:1 1579:2 1584:9
1605:8 1606:14 1607:18
1609:20 1610:10 1611:3
1611:21 1623:22 1624:5
1644:13 1646:13 1647:6
1649:2 1652:4 1654:24
Honorable 1389:18
hookless 1660:9,19
hope 1426:20 1461:14
horizontal 1545:18
1592:24,24 1593:11
horseback 1445:2
host 1582:24 1583:23
1650:6
hot 1405:1
hour 1425:7,19 1426:12
1429:13,17 1430:14
1431:4 1432:19 1433:22
1434:1,6,7,10 1438:5
1443:5
hourly 1425:5 1428:5,9
1428:13 1429:1,15
1430:1 1432:23 1433:16
1434:2,25 1439:19

hours 1425:18,20 1430:2


1432:25 1433:10,11,13
1433:13 1436:14
1441:14 1443:3 1498:15
1530:16 1532:16
house 1437:9,12
housing 1613:18,20
Howards 1491:16
huge 1554:12 1655:24
human 1492:15
humans 1437:19 1499:21
1536:19
humidity 1418:19
1419:22
hundred 1591:8 1593:23
hundreds 1455:6
1654:11,14
hundred-meter 1459:5
Hungary 1613:1
hunters 1489:19
hurt 1625:14
hydro 1490:13
hydrogeologic 1550:4
hydrogeological
1581:25 1586:1 1600:16
hydrogeologist 1550:3
1551:20 1581:23 1582:5
1582:18
hydrogeology 1537:12
1566:5 1584:5 1585:8
1600:17
hydrological 1593:20
hydrology 1565:8
hyperlinks 1447:5
hypothetical 1556:20,23
1591:6
HySplit 1423:4 1436:20
1437:3,6
I
ice 1534:24
Idaho 1582:4
idea 1404:23 1405:7
1416:21 1445:25
1448:22 1449:12 1460:1
1549:2 1572:4,7
1614:25 1615:1 1626:9
identification 1626:19
identified 1496:4,6
1507:24 1508:2 1511:3
1533:16 1550:10

1607:21 1609:11,24
1610:1,2 1620:19,22
1622:23
identifies 1569:15
1620:17
identify 1405:1 1524:2
1619:18
identifying 1606:16
1620:15
images 1599:10
immediate 1403:22,23
1403:25 1404:19
1445:15
immediately 1428:21
1440:1 1448:16 1596:7
1596:8
immigration 1582:2
1623:8
impact 1423:15 1441:18
1444:23 1448:12
1471:16 1472:24 1480:2
1490:8 1494:24 1505:9
1574:11 1582:23
1615:17 1618:4 1619:25
1628:12,17,25 1632:22
1656:6,24 1660:3
impacted 1478:23
1494:17
impacts 1397:12 1400:22
1417:16,20 1419:15
1465:3 1470:20 1471:1
1471:4,9,18 1498:17
1561:25 1622:19 1623:7
1625:3 1632:9 1641:8
1641:16 1645:4 1656:11
1659:16 1660:14
impede 1495:16
impermeable 1588:4
1593:19,21
impinging 1439:11
IMPLAN 1619:10,15,16
1619:23 1620:1 1622:7
1641:20,24 1642:5
1643:3
IMPLAN's 1620:16
implementation 1583:7
implies 1395:16
importance 1518:25
1519:24 1520:5 1537:3
1590:16
important 1426:15

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1441:20 1444:25
1446:11 1448:4 1453:17
1506:16 1509:12 1519:4
1527:25 1537:5,19
1558:13 1630:5 1631:14
1633:22 1639:17,20
1640:2,4 1658:13,13
imposed 1401:19
1539:19
impossible 1424:4,6
1544:25 1561:3
impoundment 1558:5
1558:12 1559:17 1597:9
impressive 1432:18
improve 1490:21
1653:10
improved 1526:3
improvement 1519:3
1610:15
improvements 1522:20
1537:25 1540:5,8,21,22
1541:2,6
inaccessible 1657:10
inadequacy 1504:22
inadequate 1421:9
1473:24 1497:17 1499:8
1504:20 1617:21
1660:18,22 1661:3
inappropriate 1541:4
inartfully 1531:14
incapable 1659:23
inch 1483:8
inches 1483:2,2 1521:13
1531:11 1575:22,24
incident 1403:25
1443:16
incidents 1433:10
include 1404:3,7 1444:6
1456:6 1465:11 1496:14
1624:23 1645:1,2
1648:4,7
included 1395:13 1400:5
1417:24 1498:7 1499:13
1532:13 1613:14
1617:22,24 1619:3
1621:8 1622:12 1624:8
1624:9,11 1626:11
1638:11 1639:10
1647:17
includes 1402:13
1522:13 1523:17

1544:21 1612:18 1619:4


1620:11,19,23 1621:23
including 1404:6,14,17
1439:2,20 1442:20
1443:8 1465:4 1517:4
1549:9 1600:24
incoherent 1449:13
inconclusive 1625:8,18
1626:22
incorporate 1520:1
1574:14 1613:5
incorporated 1459:11
1519:2 1522:19 1533:5
1537:9 1539:25 1577:12
1621:9,22 1642:7
incorporates 1523:9
incorporation 1612:24
incorrect 1529:17
1531:18 1660:13
increase 1444:9,11,14
1445:1 1446:8 1570:2
1645:5
increased 1438:14
1441:6 1443:25 1569:23
increases 1431:5 1436:10
1482:16
increasing 1492:13
incredibly 1489:25
independent 1424:11
1447:9,23 1463:14,20
1465:4 1466:13 1467:3
1471:22 1472:8 1658:6
Indiana 1406:14 1407:2
Indians 1654:12
indicate 1651:17
indicated 1396:8
1415:12 1452:1 1517:17
1525:16 1533:4,13
1534:13 1543:23
1544:11 1551:25
1553:22 1554:11 1573:7
1595:22 1624:19
indicating 1518:10
1589:21 1603:22
indication 1545:22
1596:2,11 1634:5
individual 1421:20
1607:17
individuals 1607:17
1651:8
industrial 1613:16

1615:20
industrialized 1490:1
industry 1487:24 1488:3
1502:5 1503:9 1514:3
1514:13 1518:16,19,23
1519:25 1521:16 1523:3
1523:4 1540:17 1543:2
1615:23 1623:9
inferior 1521:3 1538:25
infiltration 1574:5,18
1575:3
inflows 1584:1
influence 1532:6
1583:24
influences 1494:10
inform 1459:10
information 1403:21
1404:6 1424:12,18
1425:10 1426:3 1436:11
1447:1 1454:1,9
1474:11 1483:6 1499:2
1527:13 1545:2 1569:23
1586:5 1599:12 1600:24
1626:11 1627:14
1631:13,23 1632:7
1633:4,10 1634:19,25
1635:6 1636:6 1637:8
1638:11 1649:5 1652:6
informed 1601:25
informs 1480:7,7
Infrastructure 1513:15
infused 1657:3
inhibit 1646:5,9
initial 1404:1 1525:11
1577:10 1578:24 1607:9
1610:2
initially 1396:3,4
1587:20 1588:21 1612:5
injection 1602:14
injured 1404:20
injuries 1404:17
inn 1640:3,9 1657:22
input 1474:21 1480:15
1621:14
inputs 1418:4 1619:14
1620:9 1621:17 1642:20
1642:25
inquire 1475:15 1507:12
inquired 1475:16
inquiring 1642:19
inside 1429:10,10,14

1548:21
insignificant 1574:22
insist 1409:25
inspect 1465:6 1466:4
inspected 1401:25
inspection 1534:8
inspections 1466:9
inspiring 1450:20
install 1525:8
installation 1524:1,3,8
1524:11,23 1525:12,18
1536:22 1566:25
1568:22 1569:8,11,12
installed 1533:14 1537:8
1567:2 1585:24 1586:1
1598:1 1602:5
instance 1423:14
1444:12 1527:16 1632:4
instances 1432:24
1625:19
INSTARR 1494:2
Institute 1494:1 1512:24
1545:16
instrumentation
1458:19,21
insulting 1657:6
integral 1406:22 1607:11
integrity 1582:23
1602:13,18
intend 1470:8
intended 1464:2
intensity 1499:1
intent 1405:23 1459:9
1510:15
intention 1470:3
interaction 1438:10
1557:17 1585:3
interannual 1419:20
interest 1389:17 1391:3
1418:3,7 1422:10
1449:24 1480:20 1506:1
1652:20
interested 1449:19
1458:13 1662:14
interesting 1506:13
1561:5 1568:18 1652:7
1652:21 1654:20
interests 1652:25
internal 1559:9
international 1448:18
1584:23 1585:1 1612:12

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1623:17
Internet 1641:23
interplay 1564:6
interpret 1476:18
interpretation 1626:21
interrupt 1422:15
1427:17 1558:16
1618:16 1619:22
interrupted 1416:11
interstitial 1588:11,12
1590:4,4,12,17 1591:2
1591:11,16 1593:9
1597:21
interval 1433:11
intervening 1518:1
1539:22 1592:9
interview 1629:7 1630:1
interviewee 1653:22
interviewing 1643:8,12
interviews 1621:2
1623:14 1625:10
1626:23 1629:6
intimation 1458:22
intramonthly 1484:16
introduced 1520:3
introduction 1453:22
inversions 1435:11
invest 1657:24
investigate 1463:14
1465:8 1466:5,14
1604:2 1607:15
investigating 1495:10
1590:7
investigation 1484:8
1495:15 1567:24
1593:20 1603:11,14,15
1603:24
investigations 1586:15
investment 1612:25
1613:6
investments 1613:19
1657:17
invigorating 1652:21
invitation 1449:25
1505:23 1506:7
invited 1505:17
inviting 1449:24
involve 1448:24
involved 1440:21
1446:17 1447:3 1448:17
1448:19 1449:10,19

1450:17,20 1453:23
1463:8 1473:24 1513:25
1517:2 1542:4 1558:10
1559:8 1566:1 1574:16
1577:8,10,11 1585:6
1586:18 1640:24 1641:4
1641:7,10 1652:18
1653:18
involvement 1394:23
1562:7 1582:17 1585:3
involving 1445:16
1470:20 1527:8,11
1550:6
in/garbage 1642:16
1643:2
ionic 1529:24
ions 1527:7
irrelevant 1560:6
1563:12 1573:17,24
1579:6
irrigated 1432:4
isolation 1582:19
ISR 1514:4
issue 1394:18 1454:17
1455:24 1458:15 1461:6
1472:12 1499:6 1533:1
1534:3,25 1563:11
1570:20 1623:1 1651:1
issued 1399:10 1454:11
1480:2 1550:8 1563:25
1606:15 1655:12
issues 1399:13,14,25
1416:22 1455:1 1462:9
1469:19 1478:8 1517:15
1535:1 1538:15 1554:12
1578:20 1658:9,19
1660:2,15 1661:4
items 1515:5 1528:10
1647:17
I-M-P-L-A-N 1619:24
J
JAG 1389:2
James 1390:2
Janet 1389:21 1647:22
1662:4,20
January 1505:13,15
1513:10,14
JD 1467:14,16
Jeff 1477:18
JEFFREY 1390:12

Jerry 1390:21
job 1445:20 1536:4
1552:15 1582:20 1583:6
1645:4
jobs 1500:3 1618:25
1619:5,9,12,14,17,19
1620:2,3,5,7,10,16
1621:12,20,21,23,24,25
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1629:5 1644:12 1645:1
1645:2
mesh 1531:11
messed 1531:6
met 1396:3 1432:23
1541:1 1617:24 1618:1
1618:4,8,11
Metallurgy 1581:12
meteoric 1551:5
meteorological 1418:18
1419:20,21,24 1424:22
1426:6 1429:18 1458:24
1483:6 1494:23 1603:19
meteorology 1418:11
1438:21 1447:12
1470:10
meter 1404:25 1425:6,17
1426:18,20 1565:4
meters 1426:10 1428:23
1429:12 1430:3,9
1431:3,5 1433:20,21
1534:18 1576:6
method 1589:17
methodology 1630:18
methods 1403:25 1404:1
1538:16 1546:5
Mexico 1582:19 1613:17
mid 1539:17
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1465:20 1644:7
Miguel 1399:6 1401:12
1408:18 1409:17
1411:15 1437:10
1454:19 1463:13,19,22
1466:8,13,22 1467:2,4,7
1468:2 1477:19 1479:7
1479:9 1489:6 1490:17
1490:18 1491:17 1492:3

1494:2 1495:2 1496:1


1501:15
MILDOS 1420:14,14,17
1421:2,7,9 1424:10
1451:17 1452:1 1473:21
1474:2,5,8,19 1484:12
1498:5 1499:6
MILDOS-AREA
1497:16,19
mile 1430:14 1438:5
miles 1410:10 1416:17
1420:25 1421:5,16
1425:7 1426:11 1429:13
1431:4 1432:19 1433:22
1434:7,10 1443:4
1455:6 1491:7 1492:2
1494:8 1498:1 1625:22
1626:2 1634:17,19
1654:11,14
mill 1389:6 1394:15,20
1396:2,11 1397:4
1400:4,14 1401:22
1402:13,15 1406:9,10
1406:13,24 1407:19
1409:18,24 1410:9,11
1410:11,23 1416:19
1417:6,24 1418:24
1419:11,19,24 1420:18
1420:24 1421:1,4,10
1422:11 1426:23
1435:13,18 1436:3,7,13
1436:18,25 1437:5,7
1438:1,14 1439:1,10
1440:8,11,23,24 1441:1
1441:13,16 1442:5,17
1442:25 1443:14,18
1444:1,16,18,24
1445:15 1446:7 1448:2
1448:14,16,24 1449:11
1452:2,25 1454:22
1458:19,23 1471:2,12
1474:7 1477:10,11
1478:22 1484:5,12
1487:8,14 1488:8
1491:4,6,9 1493:4,18,21
1494:18 1499:15
1500:20 1501:24 1505:7
1535:1 1539:8,11,16
1541:18,18 1542:16,21
1542:24 1543:7,14,18
1548:23,24 1549:8,15

1559:17 1560:7 1561:7


1561:10,12 1563:25
1585:4,19 1593:24
1618:24 1619:1,6,10
1621:17,22,24 1622:14
1622:19 1623:13
1625:12,13,25 1626:21
1629:5 1631:4 1633:6
1640:4 1641:6 1646:6,9
1646:10 1647:16
1654:13 1655:12
1657:13 1658:2 1659:10
1661:4
milling 1465:3 1471:12
1514:4 1518:16 1623:5
million 1398:4,7 1399:10
1632:10 1634:9
millions 1424:3
mills 1520:17 1618:3
1625:4 1656:25 1659:11
mill's 1659:16
mind 1540:18 1600:13
mine 1394:22 1395:7
1400:2 1401:6,21
1412:2,25 1413:6,15
1440:24 1441:12,14
1465:2 1471:2 1496:8
1513:24 1581:25
1582:24 1583:18 1584:1
mined 1582:1
Minerals 1390:10
mines 1417:10 1435:17
1441:11 1455:24 1465:3
1465:5,24 1467:1,4
1477:11 1490:22
1581:23 1582:4 1625:4
1625:9 1659:11
minimize 1460:8,11
minimized 1487:18
minimizing 1500:18
minimum 1444:5 1478:4
1478:13 1489:2 1522:12
1537:24 1541:5
mining 1390:12 1441:21
1471:11 1489:4 1514:4
1514:13 1518:16,18
1519:25 1521:18
1540:17 1581:11,21
1584:24,25 1613:15
1623:5 1636:20 1645:25
1658:12,16

Ministry 1613:7
minnow 1610:13
minor 1396:13,16
minority 1488:12
minus 1519:8 1566:8
1592:10 1593:1,2,6
minute 1413:25 1416:3
1424:9 1504:14 1518:12
1608:25 1653:22
minutes 1427:22 1428:25
1429:8,13 1433:22
1444:18,19 1469:2
1551:21 1577:21
1637:10
mislead 1633:25
misleading 1657:6
missed 1453:16,22
mission 1488:7 1653:6,9
Missouri-Rolla 1512:22
misstate 1526:17
mistake 1565:20,21
mistaken 1624:20
mitigate 1460:8 1461:6
mitigates 1525:23
mitigation 1424:13
1461:11 1484:2 1660:15
mix 1438:15 1659:25
mixture 1432:4
Moab 1558:12,22
model 1420:15,22,23
1421:9,11,19,21 1422:1
1437:21 1443:12
1451:14,17,17 1452:1
1452:16,21 1474:2,10
1497:16,17,20 1619:10
1619:15,16 1621:9,22
1621:23 1622:7 1623:11
1641:19 1642:2,8,20
1643:6
modeling 1416:23
1422:12 1423:3 1424:10
1436:3 1439:14,17
1447:12 1456:23
1497:18 1575:2
models 1417:2,4,6,8
1420:12,13 1423:3,8
1424:2,7,15 1435:4,25
1439:3,7 1441:10
1442:21 1471:3 1473:23
1477:4 1484:13 1504:8
1642:15 1643:4

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modicum 1447:21
module 1437:23
modules 1471:12
moist 1483:19 1484:3,22
1588:16 1594:12
moisture 1554:17
1588:11,12,13,16,18
1589:9,13 1590:4
1591:22 1596:11
1597:21,21,23 1603:9
moment 1650:19
momentarily 1518:9
momentum 1439:13
money 1460:3 1481:5
1621:19 1626:9
monitor 1463:14 1501:12
1501:18 1534:19 1537:8
1537:10,15 1597:21
1604:10
monitored 1551:17
1593:9 1602:3
monitoring 1395:3
1439:24 1468:1 1497:9
1497:12 1501:23 1533:5
1533:6,9,14,15,20
1534:1 1537:4,5
1545:18,21 1546:4,8,23
1546:24 1547:1,2,20,23
1550:9,12,15 1551:25
1552:2,12 1585:23,24
1586:25 1587:1 1589:8
1590:12,18 1591:24
1595:16 1597:7 1602:6
1602:6,9 1605:2
Montana 1612:20 1613:9
month 1408:10 1439:19
1568:13 1649:12
monthly 1395:1 1419:7
1424:15,16,20 1434:22
1439:20 1474:24
1484:14
Monticello 1629:5,14
Montrose 1409:16
1416:16 1477:15,18
1481:15 1516:5 1619:8
1619:13 1620:20,24
1621:8,8 1631:6,8
1643:22 1644:22,24
1645:8,9
moon 1654:9
Moore 1390:5 1392:20

1392:21 1507:7 1605:25


1606:2 1607:8 1608:7
1608:12,19 1609:5
1611:21 1612:2 1613:23
1616:9,21,24 1617:1,8
1617:13 1618:10,15
1621:13 1623:24
1624:18 1625:2 1627:2
1644:13,15 1646:2,13
1647:6
morning 1394:6,7
1450:11,12 1461:16
1482:12 1503:17
1514:25 1554:11
1647:15 1653:3
Morrison 1392:12
1507:22,24 1508:9
1509:20 1510:21 1512:5
1512:8 1513:17 1514:18
1515:22 1516:19
1518:13 1587:8 1594:3
Morrison's 1393:8
motions 1509:11 1511:15
motorcycle 1408:13
1441:8 1445:3
mountain 1390:14,16,18
1426:24 1497:2,18
1508:1 1509:14 1579:11
1580:10,12,24 1607:14
1609:23 1610:4 1632:21
1657:5,23
mountainous 1498:9
mountains 1435:19
1489:16 1492:9,11
1494:12,16 1498:4
move 1399:2 1451:9
1453:6 1459:15 1476:5
1524:16 1529:11 1533:1
1534:3 1551:4,10
1559:19 1590:1 1591:16
1594:15,16 1622:3
1639:24 1651:1 1661:7
moved 1430:10 1481:10
1490:25 1513:4,7,11,14
1606:22
movement 1551:1
1592:20
moves 1551:9
moving 1397:19 1398:25
1399:18 1411:25
1464:25 1507:17

1559:25 1608:4 1660:16


multi 1448:24
multidisk 1401:1
multifamily 1613:19
multimillion 1489:9
multipage 1478:19
multiple 1422:5
multipliers 1642:7
multiply 1642:25
municipality 1489:8
1506:15
muted 1584:13
muting 1582:12
mutually 1453:16
MW-2 1550:10,18 1587:5
1603:16
MW-9 1595:21 1601:5
mythology 1658:3
N
N 1392:1 1393:1 1394:1
name 1395:16 1401:15
1403:21 1416:7 1423:4
1448:6 1486:21 1512:7
1578:5 1606:7,10
1647:22
national 1451:20,21,25
1526:14 1527:20
1562:13,15 1583:20
1618:2
nations 1426:13
natural 1448:6 1583:8
1659:23
nature 1448:3 1492:15
1657:10
Naturita 1435:16 1439:2
1441:4 1491:18 1638:20
NCAR/UCAR 1426:3
near 1405:3 1406:9
1424:25 1561:3 1576:7
1644:8
nearby 1426:24
nearest 1420:19 1421:15
nearing 1514:19
nearly 1434:21 1491:19
1521:5 1522:21,23
necessarily 1397:9
1403:18 1478:6 1546:18
1603:4
necessary 1421:24
1446:15 1449:12,14,22

1472:17
necessitated 1554:24
need 1403:18 1414:11
1427:12 1472:19 1475:2
1477:5 1556:23 1561:14
1568:6 1569:15 1578:16
1615:1 1621:4 1627:19
1637:3,3 1649:14
1650:1 1653:5
needed 1444:7 1508:24
1511:12 1559:11
needs 1437:20 1442:4
1471:21,25 1501:23
1534:1 1569:21 1630:22
1653:16
Neff 1492:13
neglect 1438:25
negligible 1574:6,12
1575:4
negotiated 1606:23
neighbors 1420:19
NEPA 1446:24 1613:15
1614:17 1615:15,17,25
1616:1 1618:4
nervous 1487:21
NESHAP 1564:5
NESHAPs 1517:5 1562:6
1562:7,9 1563:10,18
netting 1531:3,10,12,16
1531:21,25 1532:5,10
1532:17 1534:22 1535:3
network 1457:15
Nevada 1440:17
never 1398:11 1455:9
1509:15 1575:10
1609:11,16 1624:2,3,3
1624:16 1638:17 1640:6
1646:16
nevertheless 1589:24
1594:6
new 1398:9 1399:1
1400:16 1418:15 1424:4
1448:6 1478:25 1481:5
1582:19 1613:17 1622:3
1658:15
news 1408:10
NGOs 1613:21
nice 1458:24 1483:6
1655:4
nicer 1636:14
night 1399:19 1425:15

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1652:22
Nitrogen 1492:20
NOAA 1418:12,22
1457:15
NOAA's 1436:20
noise 1571:2 1654:15
nongovernmental
1613:21
nonlawyer 1653:1
nonradioactive 1494:18
nonsensical 1627:22
normal 1416:23,25
1418:12,14,15,15
1419:2 1424:25,25
normally 1511:17,19
normals 1418:17
north 1416:17 1433:5
1440:19 1623:18
northern 1586:21,22
northwest 1436:25
Norwood 1416:18
1420:20 1423:18 1437:4
1437:10,16 1439:1
1445:4 1471:8 1481:1,6
1481:11,13 1490:5
1644:4
Notary 1389:25 1662:6
note 1419:1 1426:15,22
1431:13 1432:2 1436:13
1437:4,15 1438:24
1439:13 1457:18
1467:17 1468:23 1519:4
1528:17 1537:19
1565:17,17 1611:15
noted 1415:13 1446:12
1460:1 1519:25 1567:14
1570:5,8
notes 1451:24 1454:3
1637:11,16
noteworthy 1607:2
notice 1389:16 1465:1
1480:3 1589:20 1656:17
noticed 1460:6 1492:10
1589:22 1609:17
notified 1405:6
November 1389:4,19
1491:2 1493:24 1497:15
1499:19 1508:12,13
1509:1,5 1515:25
1516:10 1517:16

1523:13 1531:19 1534:9


1534:22 1537:6 1550:9
1553:5 1606:20 1607:10
1608:1 1616:15 1649:12
1661:11 1662:17
no-liner 1520:23 1538:4
NRC 1446:23 1452:2
1497:16 1618:2,20
1656:13,16
Nucla 1389:21 1419:2,8
1419:12,13 1435:16
1439:2 1457:19,21
1512:11 1638:20 1659:3
nuclear 1451:19 1618:17
1618:19,20
number 1400:4 1410:7
1435:1 1444:9,17
1472:1 1474:1 1475:15
1481:9 1501:9 1520:16
1530:3 1532:12 1543:13
1543:16 1545:20 1546:3
1553:7,13,22 1558:11
1559:8 1569:1,9 1598:5
1618:25 1619:12 1620:5
1622:8,10
numbers 1574:17
numerous 1488:15
1526:13
O
O 1394:1
object 1398:8 1406:1
1452:7 1464:18 1465:14
1468:9,25 1475:14
1508:8 1522:1 1528:9
1618:7 1623:22
objected 1405:24
objection 1398:25
1405:21 1414:22 1415:2
1415:3,4,17 1466:19
1467:22 1507:23
1508:19 1510:17
1515:17 1528:17
1555:24,25 1577:19
1579:18,19,25 1606:15
1611:15 1614:2 1617:5
objections 1496:21
1516:12 1578:17
1606:25 1607:1 1616:3
objective 1583:21
obligation 1650:2

obliterated 1485:2
observation 1534:8,16
1633:15
observations 1425:4
1453:4
observed 1419:21
1588:21 1590:6,15
observers 1432:1
obtain 1407:18 1421:20
obtained 1418:23 1426:2
1549:8
obvious 1431:14 1444:22
obviously 1400:16
1407:17 1409:4 1428:7
1431:23 1462:21
1487:14 1533:21
occasion 1550:23
occasionally 1457:13
occur 1429:7 1432:14
1436:13 1442:25 1443:5
1552:4 1596:17 1619:20
1620:10,18,22 1622:21
1622:22,22
occurred 1406:11
1433:12 1500:11
occurrence 1586:7,9
1588:6 1592:3 1594:9
1596:10 1600:25
occurrences 1435:1
1582:21 1603:9
occurring 1434:10
1596:25
occurs 1413:10 1567:17
1588:3
October 1479:16,21
1499:4 1606:17 1662:18
offer 1406:8 1427:12
1486:14 1489:21 1510:7
1512:15 1516:7 1544:2
1551:14 1584:4 1617:1
1628:16 1647:11
offered 1493:18 1508:17
1632:18
offering 1522:2 1528:4
1529:4
office 1390:21 1418:1
1449:2 1451:2 1457:14
1618:20
officer 1394:2 1398:19
1405:10 1406:4 1408:2
1408:4 1413:24 1414:4

1414:9,13,18,22,24
1415:16,19 1416:3,6,7
1416:10 1422:22 1427:7
1427:11,17,21 1447:6
1450:5,8 1452:10
1456:10,15 1462:8
1464:21 1465:17
1466:19,23 1467:11
1468:11,18 1469:1,3,5
1469:25 1475:20 1476:6
1478:10 1481:21,24
1485:17 1486:11,17,20
1486:21,24 1502:23
1504:13 1506:17,21
1507:1,4,6,10,14,19
1510:25 1511:9,24
1512:4,6,7 1514:20
1515:18 1516:11,17
1519:13 1522:5 1528:17
1529:2,6 1535:9
1540:20 1541:12,24
1551:22 1555:22
1556:12 1557:6 1563:4
1563:13 1564:13 1566:3
1570:23 1575:17,19,22
1576:1,21 1577:1,17,23
1578:1,4,5,7,9 1579:13
1579:17,23 1580:3,9,21
1580:25 1583:1 1584:7
1584:11,17,20 1594:19
1594:23 1598:19 1599:1
1605:9,11,13,21,25
1606:3,6,7,10,13
1607:16 1608:18,20,25
1609:7 1610:24 1611:9
1611:13 1614:1 1616:5
1616:7,22 1617:4
1618:12 1619:22 1624:7
1624:21 1637:13
1640:20 1644:14 1646:1
1646:14,19,23 1647:1,5
1647:7,10,24 1648:4,10
1648:21 1649:20,23
1650:17,23 1651:3,6,22
1652:3,9,13 1654:23
1658:25 1661:8
officers 1501:10,22
1502:1
offices 1471:24
official 1505:18
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oftentimes 1525:6
Oh 1415:1 1481:4
1618:19
oil 1613:15
okay 1394:14 1396:20
1397:19 1399:2 1400:25
1401:14 1402:6,16
1405:8 1406:6 1411:19
1412:9,14 1414:13
1422:18 1427:13 1450:8
1451:9 1452:5,12
1454:13,15 1456:8
1458:6,7 1462:10,20
1464:24 1465:18,23
1466:3 1468:13 1473:18
1475:7 1476:6 1477:14
1479:19 1481:17
1483:11,17,23 1484:19
1484:21 1485:10 1486:2
1487:4,22 1499:25
1502:10,16 1504:24
1505:21,24 1506:6
1507:20 1515:16
1519:20,22 1528:20
1534:21 1538:8,12
1541:15 1543:6 1544:11
1546:23 1548:2,5
1551:24 1556:13
1564:18,19 1566:13
1567:3,12,16 1568:16
1569:7 1570:19 1571:14
1571:18 1572:7,15
1573:3,11,14 1574:8,23
1575:9,15 1577:2
1580:23 1581:20 1582:8
1584:3 1585:2,18
1586:8 1587:17 1590:16
1591:2,20 1594:18
1599:19 1600:17
1602:22 1605:7,20
1608:12 1611:15 1616:2
1616:17,21 1617:19
1622:25 1625:6 1627:25
1629:22 1631:8,22
1633:24 1635:18 1637:8
1637:22 1638:19
1639:12 1641:2,17
1643:8 1644:24 1646:3
1646:7,18,22 1650:17
1651:22 1652:15

old 1418:15 1489:4


1559:25
Olivia 1390:3 1461:16
1518:8
OMB 1618:21
onboard 1404:4
once 1409:5 1424:4
1447:20 1467:6 1585:11
1588:10 1645:21
ones 1401:17 1463:22
1521:4 1526:12 1651:17
one-page 1393:5 1580:15
one-tenth 1597:3
ongoing 1487:25 1488:4
1563:23 1583:16
online 1402:24
on-shift 1410:25
on-site 1456:25 1533:14
opaque 1449:13
open 1489:17 1490:22
1588:10 1641:22
opening 1393:11
1414:16,25 1415:1,14
1422:16,25 1488:16
1653:24
openings 1582:22
1583:16
openly 1656:4
operate 1433:18 1442:17
1488:9 1532:16
operated 1465:5 1467:2
1490:3
operating 1467:3 1543:7
1559:17 1602:14
operation 1401:6 1444:5
1444:20 1445:21 1455:6
1477:8 1479:7 1495:17
1495:24 1501:24 1532:9
1641:1
operational 1602:1
operations 1397:6
1400:2 1413:6 1436:8
1442:25 1448:14,24
1449:1 1461:3 1476:9
1501:12 1521:18
1534:20 1536:22
1576:12 1602:12 1641:6
operation's 1444:9
operators 1443:14
Ophir 1420:20 1464:10
1486:25 1487:2,7

1488:23 1489:3 1490:6


1490:13 1491:7 1493:1
1493:7,7,11,21 1494:3,4
1494:12,16 1495:4,8,20
1496:17 1497:1,3,5
1498:1,3 1503:11
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1609:23 1649:18
provided 1425:5 1431:11
1431:14 1437:3 1458:1
1469:14 1471:21 1478:3
1478:4,12 1479:19
1480:18 1506:3 1509:2
1509:25 1532:22 1541:2
1554:10 1563:20
1578:21 1608:21
1609:10,11,18 1610:25
1610:25 1624:2 1638:4
1638:7,9,11,15
provides 1463:12
1466:21 1524:7,13,20
1527:6,13 1534:14

1559:13 1631:12
providing 1412:6 1508:7
1509:8,8 1520:11
1629:22 1656:16,23
1658:18
proximity 1404:19
1582:22
psi 1589:3,5
public 1389:25 1390:24
1403:2 1413:9,10,14,15
1418:3,7,8 1420:1
1422:10 1442:4 1443:15
1449:23 1458:2 1472:2
1472:25 1480:16,20
1488:5 1490:20,23
1491:5,11 1494:21,24
1499:7,16 1543:15
1582:15,16,17 1583:2,6
1583:15 1640:10 1653:7
1653:9 1655:23,24
1656:2,13,14 1662:6
publications 1514:8,11
1514:12 1526:13
1528:18,20 1539:2
publicly 1642:11
published 1492:15,21
1641:19,24
pull 1409:20 1445:21,23
1481:2 1594:21
pulled 1455:5 1632:20
pulling 1440:16 1445:10
1523:20 1570:15
pump 1395:18
pumping 1585:23
purchasing 1644:17
purely 1560:2 1568:14
purpose 1571:21 1600:9
1600:10,20 1651:4,6
1655:7
purposes 1407:4 1440:18
1518:11 1534:8,8
1586:2 1602:6,7 1635:3
1645:7
PURSUANT 1389:16
pursuing 1491:3
push 1655:15
put 1409:2 1414:16
1427:5 1428:22 1454:5
1473:7 1476:2 1483:7
1490:23 1496:24
1508:18 1509:17

1525:16 1527:19
1536:18 1537:25 1538:4
1552:12 1559:5 1561:6
1564:14 1566:17
1568:12,25 1572:25
1597:7,25 1627:8
1647:13,14,18 1658:9
puts 1552:7
putting 1457:6 1520:6
1536:2 1546:21 1561:11
1568:21 1569:18,19
1615:24
P-o-p-i-e-l-a-k 1578:8
p.m 1487:10 1507:3,3
1577:22,22 1605:24,24
1609:2 1637:14,14
1661:10
P.O 1390:13
Q
QA 1542:20
qualifications 1563:9
qualify 1581:4 1612:5
quality 1435:21 1468:2
1490:22 1494:4 1495:5
1498:18 1541:17,17
1542:9,9,22,23 1567:1
1653:11
quantifiable 1441:17
quantifications 1585:9
quantified 1434:17,20
quarter 1483:2
question 1406:4 1408:3
1410:4 1412:22 1413:18
1413:21 1450:24 1457:7
1459:10 1461:8,9
1467:21 1468:12
1481:17 1485:18
1500:20 1501:3,20
1502:9,12 1516:2
1531:6 1538:19,23
1540:12,14,20 1541:8
1541:13 1542:2,7,22
1547:7,8 1551:15,24
1558:17 1561:15 1562:3
1563:16 1564:13
1566:24 1575:1,18,25
1584:15 1587:3 1592:19
1593:25 1594:25
1597:12 1605:15 1615:9
1627:22 1629:18 1641:2

1644:14,24
questioning 1405:22
1406:3 1610:9
questions 1394:7
1397:20 1399:19
1405:15 1408:1 1411:8
1414:1 1418:6 1458:5
1461:20,25 1462:16
1464:20 1465:16
1468:17 1473:21
1477:15 1481:22,25
1486:10,12 1493:17
1501:1,2 1506:18,22,23
1512:14 1517:10
1519:13 1527:23 1529:7
1562:4 1563:5 1570:24
1576:21 1577:3 1579:10
1579:12 1581:3 1584:8
1584:10,12 1594:24
1595:5 1598:20 1605:7
1605:10,12 1612:5
1615:2 1616:4,6 1626:4
1631:19 1640:19,20
1641:12 1646:1,24,25
1647:2,3 1653:15
1659:14,21
quick 1405:15 1605:14
1637:19
quicker 1511:18
quickly 1464:18 1482:1
1482:15 1573:4
quite 1401:16 1403:15
1521:3 1533:2 1594:5
quote 1419:6 1443:22
1474:20 1475:4,5
1481:12
quotes 1438:23
R
R 1390:2 1394:1
radar 1596:18,21 1597:11
1597:14
radiation 1396:23 1397:2
1397:7 1405:4 1499:7
1554:19
radioactive 1389:6
1397:3 1399:14 1437:18
1438:15 1452:2,25
1491:9 1493:2,6
1655:11
radioactivity 1440:3,9

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radiological 1499:18
radionuclide 1492:4
1495:13
radionuclides 1436:5
1438:11 1492:23
1494:18 1496:3,10,12
radius 1498:6,10,17
radon 1395:21 1498:13
1554:20 1555:7,9,10,14
1555:20 1556:8,11,16
1556:21 1564:6 1577:8
raffinate 1529:19 1530:7
1532:6,19 1547:5
1548:12
rain 1427:1 1551:9
rainfall 1419:23
rainstorm 1551:6
raise 1416:3 1486:18
1512:4 1578:1 1606:3
raised 1394:9 1408:14
1455:1 1459:3 1463:4
ranching 1500:4
Randy 1392:9 1486:19
1486:22
range 1426:25 1429:11
1433:11 1434:3,9,11
1443:4 1484:16 1515:12
1546:1 1596:6
ranged 1433:12 1530:18
rapidity 1604:11
rate 1437:17 1532:1,7,20
1565:3,8,9,11 1566:6
1568:1,2,5 1594:7,8
rates 1401:24 1527:1
1567:14
rational 1507:1
ray 1583:25
RCP 1497:22
reach 1592:8,17 1593:7
reached 1593:14 1594:14
react 1623:12
read 1403:18 1411:21
1413:2,18,21 1424:8
1431:25 1452:21 1456:9
1463:17,21 1464:4
1465:19 1468:8 1478:15
1478:16 1480:14
1493:23 1496:16
1497:14 1526:18 1528:1
1537:24 1540:12,14

1541:25 1542:2 1545:7


1605:16 1627:15 1628:1
1628:2
reading 1422:15 1465:7
1465:8 1466:12 1528:6
ready 1410:2 1511:13
1653:16 1659:7
reagents 1399:20
1401:11 1463:3,16
real 1438:7 1487:17,18
1619:16 1631:22
reality 1439:14
realize 1470:13 1577:1
realized 1422:25
really 1409:23 1423:19
1427:4 1455:11 1458:24
1459:22 1471:25
1472:25 1474:6 1487:17
1502:18 1529:20
1536:25 1540:16
1544:25 1546:7,18
1547:7,10,11 1557:16
1558:1 1574:10,25
1584:13 1630:22
1633:13 1641:21
1648:24 1650:15
1652:20,25 1653:18
realtime 1534:19
1551:25
reason 1395:19 1473:3
1474:1 1500:9 1590:22
1592:1 1639:13 1658:5
1661:6
reasonable 1424:12
1436:6 1593:2 1649:18
1651:20
reasonably 1495:12
reasons 1395:15 1475:15
rebut 1607:12
rebuttal 1507:18,19,25
1509:9,21 1511:7
1528:15 1550:8 1578:19
1578:20,21,25 1579:7
1579:19 1606:20
1607:10 1616:19
rebuttals 1508:2
RECA 1590:8
recall 1399:20 1402:7
1451:13,16 1475:9
1504:24 1505:22
1508:12 1525:5 1552:21

1552:24 1553:5,11,15
1553:17 1554:6,8,10
Recalling 1436:9
receive 1480:21 1492:11
received 1505:22
1512:20 1579:4 1581:10
1614:13 1647:15
receiving 1498:25
Recess 1427:24 1469:4
1507:3 1577:22 1605:24
1637:14
recharge 1600:11,20,22
1601:5,7
recipient 1591:5
recipients 1594:17
reclamate 1490:22
reclamation 1398:1,10
1460:14 1461:9,11,11
1500:8 1626:7,10
Reclamation's 1398:6
recognition 1581:24
recognize 1457:2
recognized 1581:13
recollection 1520:15
1525:4 1543:16
recommend 1419:18,23
1423:2 1439:16,24
1448:16,23 1532:7
1654:21
recommendation
1500:24 1534:25
1552:11
recommendations
1449:9 1503:5 1524:23
1524:25
recommended 1422:12
1534:17 1535:2
record 1398:20,24
1400:25 1402:17,18
1403:3,17 1406:6
1412:6 1417:14 1419:3
1427:11 1450:16,23
1456:11 1458:10,21
1465:19 1468:23 1476:3
1479:10,20 1502:6
1507:5,11 1511:1,20
1543:15 1562:12
1579:13 1580:8,22
1582:12 1610:25
1616:25 1647:14,19
1648:5 1657:2,12

records 1457:4 1488:5


1605:2 1658:18
recover 1596:1
recovery 1518:2 1522:14
1536:8 1567:15 1568:3
1602:12 1604:11
recreational 1489:18,20
recross 1398:17 1405:10
Recross-Exam 1392:5
Recross-Examination
1392:4,4,15,16 1405:16
1408:5 1412:23 1576:2
1577:5
recycled 1570:17
1656:17
redesign 1577:12
redirect 1392:3,5 1394:4
1394:8 1411:4 1605:13
1647:5
reduce 1490:24 1496:12
1523:19
reduced 1531:11,15
1662:9
reduces 1574:15
reducing 1395:21
reevaluated 1418:14
Reeve 1659:18
refer 1440:7 1565:1
reference 1554:6,8
1631:22 1632:25
1639:10 1641:25
referenced 1437:24
1438:21 1494:14 1624:6
references 1609:2
referred 1395:10 1457:19
1476:13 1504:4 1630:14
1638:17
referring 1404:24 1411:6
1608:11 1616:15 1617:9
refers 1431:9
refine 1532:9
reflect 1582:12
reflected 1497:19
1632:12
refurbishment 1590:8
regard 1460:5 1514:3
1521:22 1523:22 1524:4
1527:14,15 1534:25
1540:16 1542:12 1555:4
1555:10 1557:17
1641:11

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regarding 1424:13
1503:5 1618:24 1659:15
1660:12
regardless 1469:18
regards 1551:14
regime 1550:4 1584:2
1585:25 1600:15,16
region 1440:23 1441:22
1442:3 1443:18,24
1469:20 1473:9 1487:15
1489:20 1620:9 1626:8
1628:22 1657:6,9,17,25
regional 1417:15,19
1426:6 1441:20 1444:23
1445:8 1489:17 1490:14
1494:7 1499:4 1500:16
registered 1389:23
1584:25 1662:5
regs 1655:13
regular 1501:11 1572:1
regularly 1485:9
regulation 1563:19
1656:9
regulations 1396:19
1465:10,11 1466:6,8,15
1522:4,6,10 1525:17
1537:25 1562:24 1656:8
regulators 1501:10
regulatory 1401:24
1451:19 1473:22
1514:14 1521:20,24
1523:10 1537:21
1539:19 1540:9 1553:2
1553:24 1555:4 1618:2
1618:17
reissued 1533:10
reiterate 1509:23
related 1457:3 1461:21
1461:22,25 1471:18
1517:11 1625:25
1636:19 1662:12
relates 1465:1,3 1554:14
1569:21 1623:10
relationship 1408:8
1449:17 1615:2,11
relative 1438:22 1449:7
relatively 1531:21
1558:23 1587:5,6
relayed 1395:3
release 1421:18,21,24
1422:4 1424:3 1443:9

released 1470:21
1577:18 1605:21
1610:11 1647:8
relegated 1448:9
relevance 1438:18
1563:2
relevant 1474:10 1563:7
1563:14,15 1645:7
reliable 1470:19 1471:17
reliably 1623:12
relied 1472:20 1638:4
relies 1457:15 1499:6
relined 1539:17
rely 1445:17 1476:4
1508:25
Relying 1446:6
remain 1495:20
remainder 1460:7
remarks 1440:5
remedial 1413:11
1495:15
remediation 1495:11
1516:4
remedies 1495:16
remember 1432:25
1442:10 1451:25 1456:9
1481:8 1504:7,9 1553:9
1639:6 1640:8 1641:13
1645:3 1651:7
remembering 1504:23
remote 1409:20 1441:24
1445:7 1594:6 1657:10
remove 1441:5
removed 1404:24
1589:18
rendered 1492:25
renewable 1491:1
repair 1424:13 1566:13
1567:8 1569:15
repeat 1423:21 1471:6
1476:10 1652:15
rephrase 1402:9 1465:19
1468:15
replace 1428:17
replacement 1402:20
replies 1511:16
report 1393:4,8 1395:12
1400:21 1407:14 1444:3
1444:13 1448:11
1453:18,19 1457:3,16
1457:17 1459:11,18

1470:19 1472:23
1479:23 1494:13 1499:4
1499:10,18,21 1508:11
1509:1,21 1510:22
1515:22 1516:1,8
1517:16,17 1524:19
1526:1 1532:3 1534:9
1534:22 1552:13
1557:14,20 1578:21,22
1579:2,7,19 1580:13,18
1605:16 1606:15,17,20
1607:9,10,16,20,22
1608:7,13 1609:1,3,10
1610:7,12,14,16,17,18
1610:20,22,22,23
1611:1,4,5,7 1616:10,13
1616:15,16,19 1617:22
1617:24 1618:1 1622:18
1622:23 1623:3 1624:8
1624:12,13 1626:12
1628:14,19,24 1629:6
1631:2,25 1632:13,25
1633:5 1637:7 1639:11
1642:4 1655:23 1656:6
1659:15 1660:3,5
reported 1431:16
1434:17 1457:22 1476:2
1625:10 1636:20
reporter 1389:23 1469:3
1487:22 1519:10
1564:21 1581:6 1582:25
1637:18 1649:4 1662:5
REPORTER'S 1389:3
1662:2
reporting 1518:11
reports 1395:1 1438:20
1442:10 1444:8 1457:20
1458:11 1475:6 1476:4
1497:1,3 1509:21
1579:1 1607:12 1608:23
1610:10 1614:14 1618:3
1623:11,23 1624:1,6,14
1624:20,23,24 1625:3,7
1625:17,19 1626:14
1631:15,20
represent 1444:1
1457:25 1487:6
representation 1449:6
representative 1404:8
1406:15,19 1407:10
1425:22

represented 1496:17
request 1651:20
requests 1479:3 1510:5
required 1406:16 1452:2
1496:12 1533:9 1534:15
1537:10 1542:16
requirement 1442:7
1452:20 1467:1 1508:3
1511:5 1521:21,24
1532:20 1542:20
requirements 1401:16
1473:22 1522:12,12
1523:10 1535:5 1537:21
1537:24 1539:4,5,20
1540:9,11 1541:2,3,5
1553:2,18,21 1555:4
1618:9,10
requires 1656:10
requiring 1542:13
research 1438:10
1442:20 1470:10 1494:2
1526:14 1527:18,20
1544:18,21 1545:6,11
1545:15 1573:7 1574:23
1576:19,23,25 1583:24
1592:22 1607:25
1612:17,18,19,21,23
1613:2,3,8,18 1623:18
1626:22
researchers 1623:16
1625:7,10,17
reside 1513:18
resident 1416:2,16
residential 1635:2
residents 1489:12
1493:10 1498:11
1499:24 1500:23 1621:2
1622:1,3
residual 1405:1
resistance 1545:6
resource 1426:4 1612:24
1659:24
resources 1389:5 1390:4
1390:8 1448:7 1490:16
1583:9 1584:6 1585:10
1585:11 1605:1 1613:6
1657:1
respect 1408:7 1418:17
1420:12 1422:7 1423:11
1423:12,23,24 1436:4,7
1459:22 1468:21 1477:7

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respected 1426:4
respond 1406:17 1445:7
1455:2
responders 1404:12,14
1406:10 1409:3,11
response 1400:5 1402:7
1402:11,12 1403:11,14
1403:19,20 1404:5,7,13
1406:8,16 1407:11,13
1407:16,22 1408:7,21
1409:2,12,19 1410:1,8,8
1410:13,16,19,21
1411:22,24 1412:19
1413:5,7,12 1431:9,10
1443:20 1445:14,16,25
1446:2,7 1455:21
1461:23 1475:21 1506:4
1516:2 1563:21 1597:12
1603:19 1608:3 1616:14
responses 1511:16
responsibility 1407:1
1495:10
responsible 1404:11
1411:23 1513:23 1517:1
responsive 1406:5
1510:5
rest 1449:4 1463:23
1464:14 1598:3 1635:24
Restoration 1490:21
restrict 1622:11
restrictions 1401:19
1479:3
restrictive 1396:14
1397:1 1626:19
result 1494:9 1535:18
1536:21 1570:2 1630:11
1662:15
resulted 1490:10 1503:21
results 1395:3 1421:21
1474:22 1493:5 1627:11
1627:16,16 1630:21
1643:11,12
resume 1578:25 1608:16
resumed 1389:17
1392:13,21 1515:20
1616:8
retirees 1441:25 1489:7
return 1580:3 1604:5
returned 1604:3,7
reveal 1443:2 1508:1

revealed 1624:3
revealing 1509:1
review 1399:15 1438:18
1438:19 1447:9,13
1454:19 1471:22
1472:10,14,19 1473:15
1480:6 1505:25 1515:6
1578:22 1613:15
1656:13,15
reviewed 1543:12,21,24
1642:2
reviewer 1424:12
reviewers 1447:10
1472:9
reviewing 1449:9
reviews 1447:23,23
1472:16
revised 1574:13
revisit 1649:15
rewetting 1558:25
RFIs 1655:20
rhetoric 1657:18
Richard 1389:18
ride 1408:13 1657:7
riders 1441:8 1445:2
rides 1438:12
Ridge 1389:6 1394:19
1418:24 1419:14,19
1436:3 1438:4 1442:5
1464:8 1491:4 1492:24
1495:24 1496:8,9,15
1516:4,21 1518:1
1522:17 1523:8,17
1525:23 1527:5,10
1535:19 1539:20,24
1542:13,20 1560:8
1561:21 1585:4,19
1588:22 1590:10
1610:12,14 1617:20
1618:24 1619:5,10
1622:19 1625:25 1631:4
riding 1494:10
right 1399:11 1405:12
1407:6 1411:17 1415:9
1415:10,19 1416:4
1427:19 1430:7 1437:8
1437:9 1451:8 1455:18
1457:1 1459:6 1463:14
1464:12,12,13,21
1465:6 1466:3,13
1470:2 1471:15 1473:2

1473:25 1479:12 1482:6


1482:11 1483:10
1486:17,18 1503:18
1507:4 1509:10 1510:14
1510:17 1512:4 1515:19
1516:11 1519:24
1520:14 1536:19
1537:24 1538:2 1550:19
1561:2 1566:21 1567:8
1567:10 1578:2 1579:17
1579:23 1580:21
1595:19 1600:4 1606:3
1609:5 1616:7 1617:4
1617:12 1627:23
1629:25 1631:1 1637:23
1639:23 1642:23
1646:21 1652:13
1654:17 1661:4,5
rights 1463:20 1466:21
rise 1527:10 1570:1,3
rises 1498:3
risk 1439:23 1488:11
1492:20 1612:22,22
1630:2 1659:10
risks 1403:23
River 1491:17 1660:10
rivers 1445:9
road 1391:2 1409:18
1410:3 1441:3 1445:16
1459:7 1644:12 1645:17
1646:12
roads 1401:20 1409:15
1413:15,16,17 1417:10
1441:12 1444:16 1445:8
1446:4
Robert 1391:2 1392:6
1416:8,12 1497:4
robust 1480:10
rocks 1586:6 1597:15
Rocky 1390:16,18
role 1516:20 1615:6
Roman 1392:17 1550:3
1550:11 1551:13
1577:25 1578:3,6,10
romance 1434:13
Romania 1613:1,10
room 1493:13 1510:24
1553:17 1647:13
1648:22
rose 1438:4
rotary 1589:16

rough 1419:5 1443:20


roughly 1433:24 1440:24
1443:15 1481:7 1596:15
routes 1440:25
Rowe 1526:14,19
1527:13 1544:11
1545:13
RPA 1633:5
RTI 1623:17
rule 1486:8 1508:3
1511:18
ruled 1475:11,19,23
1510:3 1511:19
rules 1396:8 1511:10
1610:1
ruling 1466:23
run 1424:15 1439:5
1457:13 1530:19
1532:18 1621:5 1639:8
1644:22
runs 1422:5 1437:3,6
1443:12 1449:5 1465:12
1474:5,24
rural 1410:18 1445:17
R-a-n-d-y 1486:22
R-o-m-a-n 1578:8
S
S 1394:1
safe 1501:25
safety 1412:2,25 1488:6
sage-grouse 1660:9,21
sailing 1486:8
sake 1576:7
Sal 1426:24 1435:19
1441:2
sale 1629:11,13,13
salt 1561:12
sample 1547:25 1643:13
1643:15
samples 1530:19
sampling 1496:7 1595:5
1598:8 1604:2
San 1399:6 1401:12
1408:18 1409:17
1411:15 1437:10
1454:19 1463:13,19,22
1466:8,13,22 1467:2,4,7
1468:2 1477:19 1479:7
1479:9 1489:6,16
1490:17,18 1491:17

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1492:3,9,11 1494:2,16
1495:2,25 1498:4
1501:15 1620:20 1629:1
1629:2 1631:8
sand 1425:8,24 1430:2,8
1438:6 1476:19 1588:14
sandbag 1511:7
sandbagging 1509:7
sandblast 1439:9
sandblasting 1439:6
Sandler 1390:16 1392:8
1392:15,25 1414:1,2
1481:24 1482:1,3
1486:2,9 1506:21,23
1507:9 1570:23,25
1571:5 1575:15 1584:11
1584:15,16,19 1605:11
1605:12 1616:5,6
1647:3 1658:25 1659:1
Sandler's 1485:18
Sandra 1392:19 1606:5,9
1606:11 1608:17
1609:12 1611:6,22
sands 1476:8,13 1477:1
1484:22 1571:10,15,16
sandwich 1524:16
Sandy 1607:11
sat 1653:13
satisfactory 1500:2
saturate 1460:21 1530:17
1536:10
saturated 1460:8,13
1461:5 1476:23 1482:20
1554:24 1588:9 1590:2
saturation 1555:11,16
1587:21 1589:15,22
Saturday 1487:9
saw 1408:14 1423:14
1428:13 1453:24
1455:10 1456:1 1603:23
saying 1454:20 1459:9
1479:8 1489:1 1538:24
1547:9 1572:19 1590:13
1592:12
says 1464:5 1465:10
1493:24 1496:2 1510:22
1532:4 1565:17 1627:7
1628:19 1633:17
1645:17
scale 1482:24
scales 1470:25 1631:16

scan 1479:4 1480:14


1484:24
scanned 1401:23
scared 1654:1
scavenge 1439:9
scavenging 1440:2
scenario 1412:16 1438:1
1518:21 1520:23
scene 1404:9,11,16
scenic 1441:4,6
schedule 1606:23
1609:18 1649:1 1650:4
1650:16,20,25 1651:19
schedules 1649:15
scheduling 1650:12,13
scheme 1469:24
school 1439:12 1463:25
1582:4 1612:12
science 1426:5 1447:24
1470:10 1583:17,20
1612:9
Scientific 1492:21
scientist 1460:4
scintillometer 1404:25
scooping 1559:1
scope 1541:22 1630:5,9
1630:12,13 1633:19,21
1634:1 1635:22 1636:5
scopes 1630:15 1631:15
screen 1394:25 1397:23
script 1657:20
scrutiny 1471:25
sealed 1598:3 1601:14,15
1601:15,17
search 1462:19
seasonal 1425:3 1445:13
1644:17
seasonally 1644:9
seasons 1501:11
second 1411:20 1425:6
1425:17 1426:10,19,20
1427:18 1428:23
1429:12 1430:3,9
1431:3 1433:21 1441:25
1451:14 1456:23
1463:10 1502:9 1519:8
1565:4,19,19 1566:9
1588:7 1591:4 1592:11
1593:1,3 1594:10,21
secondary 1417:10
1441:12 1527:16

1534:15 1544:12
secondly 1475:18 1527:1
1532:19 1595:10
1622:15
second's 1433:22
secret 1655:22
section 1430:23 1431:7,8
1431:13 1438:19
1447:10 1454:4 1465:21
1586:21 1635:4 1656:10
sections 1393:5 1412:22
1448:10 1453:15,17
1462:16 1580:16
sector 1582:14,15,16,18
1583:6,15 1613:13
secured 1402:1
see 1416:18,19 1420:11
1428:1,21,23 1429:8,23
1429:24 1430:3 1432:10
1433:14,19,23 1434:4
1434:24 1435:6,10
1437:8,14 1442:4
1446:1,4,5 1447:24
1450:20 1452:20 1457:8
1457:10 1461:2 1468:7
1475:6 1484:20 1485:5
1501:7 1510:22 1512:17
1515:2 1518:8 1520:9
1522:20 1524:11
1528:25 1531:7 1551:7
1551:17 1556:4 1568:22
1569:13,14 1588:6
1595:17 1597:9 1599:8
1607:3 1608:18 1629:3
1634:15 1635:23
1649:21 1651:12,18
1653:25 1654:9,10,14
1654:15 1655:24
1657:25 1659:12
1660:24
seeing 1458:24 1636:23
seeking 1395:25 1491:4
seen 1398:11 1432:6
1437:6 1451:6 1462:6
1557:19 1564:3 1574:17
1601:21 1655:23
seepage 1517:19,23
1518:3 1520:11 1522:22
1522:23 1525:20
1535:17 1536:10
1547:20 1573:19,23

1574:16 1588:3 1591:6


1596:24
seeps 1569:17,19
select 1407:17
selected 1555:18
selective 1626:14,16
send 1406:15,19 1407:9
1471:25 1518:9 1548:1
1645:22 1648:16
sense 1430:20 1444:22
sensitivity 1630:14
1631:2,11,12
sent 1414:20 1497:14
1510:9 1609:2
sentence 1464:4 1474:15
separate 1396:1 1417:14
1453:3 1464:14 1467:9
1477:17 1579:19
1590:14
separated 1522:13
September 1508:10
1509:12,20 1510:9
1514:7 1578:24 1580:13
1606:16 1607:9 1608:8
1608:13,14,22 1609:1
1611:8
sequence 1425:4
series 1419:25 1430:1
1477:15 1587:20
serious 1417:6 1435:2
1473:11 1499:3 1657:4
1659:11 1661:3
seriously 1485:24 1536:6
served 1491:24 1516:23
serves 1437:16
service 1441:14 1469:10
1490:19 1493:25
1527:15,16 1615:19
services 1481:12 1581:19
session 1493:12,13,16
sessions 1418:8
set 1401:1 1402:21
1409:5 1429:3 1537:21
1539:5,6,20 1562:4
1617:25 1618:1 1637:11
1662:9
sets 1419:9 1533:23
setting 1445:18
settlement 1399:5,8
1401:12,15 1403:13
1411:11,14 1454:18

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1461:17,24 1462:11
1463:11,12 1466:11
1477:17,20 1478:13
1495:1,4,25 1500:10
1501:7
seven 1433:24 1492:12
severe 1460:18,19
severity 1405:4
shale 1560:13,16,24
1561:2,6,9,13,14,16
shallow 1533:13 1552:1
1587:5,6,7 1603:13,15
shallower 1603:21
shares 1655:9
shed 1499:5
Sheep 1390:14 1497:2
1508:1 1509:13 1579:11
1580:10,12,24 1607:13
1609:22 1610:4 1657:5
sheriff 1408:12 1410:6
1446:6
Sherman 1390:22
she'd 1563:9
shines 1654:10
ship 1559:5
shipments 1404:3
1412:11,18
shipped 1401:17
shipping 1401:10 1404:4
1406:21 1407:24
shoot 1644:6
shop 1643:23
shopping 1620:14
1621:4 1643:9
short 1421:3 1448:10
1595:18 1652:12 1657:2
1659:6
Shorter 1443:5
shortfalls 1494:22
shorthand 1662:8
short-time 1470:25
shot 1519:19
shoulder 1407:10 1655:4
show 1409:23 1423:17
1427:13 1428:5 1430:18
1433:6 1434:16 1436:21
1523:15 1526:23 1539:2
1545:16 1609:7 1616:16
1632:7 1657:11
showed 1394:24 1430:24
1431:1

showing 1444:14
1524:12 1634:12
shown 1419:10 1434:23
1494:6 1519:6 1521:24
1522:16 1538:14
1544:23 1545:11
shows 1430:17 1518:5,17
1530:25 1545:10
1550:22 1575:2
shut 1394:12
sic 1477:16 1638:7
side 1396:21 1440:17
1453:18,19 1460:22
1494:16 1564:25
1592:10,25 1645:17
sides 1494:12
sight 1474:13
sign 1407:20 1645:17
signature 1479:20
1662:17
signed 1479:21
significant 1430:22
1435:1 1490:15 1497:24
1519:3 1542:13 1586:4
1586:23 1589:8 1590:22
1594:11,17 1643:13
significantly 1498:10
1526:3 1574:6,15
signing 1407:23
silt 1588:14
similar 1419:9 1449:25
1539:23 1540:5 1561:13
1565:4 1575:20 1633:7
1656:18
simple 1439:12 1633:12
1661:9
simply 1587:13 1604:19
1633:17 1656:17
sincere 1446:18 1653:18
single 1418:1 1421:13
1422:2 1520:8 1521:6,8
1521:10 1522:22
1526:24 1534:4,7,10,13
1538:5,6,8,10 1544:6
sir 1469:22 1471:14,14,20
1472:21 1473:13
1595:20
sit 1559:18 1640:17
1650:15
site 1399:20 1401:21,22
1404:13 1418:24,25

1419:4,7,11,19,24
1420:24 1421:1,10
1422:8,9 1424:22
1426:4,23 1434:17
1435:2 1436:7,13
1437:5,7 1439:10,25,25
1440:1,4 1441:1 1444:7
1454:22 1456:18
1458:19 1459:6,6
1470:22 1484:6 1485:1
1492:21 1494:15 1499:5
1499:15 1500:14
1536:14 1537:13
1546:14 1550:1,5,7
1557:1,22,24 1560:18
1560:20,23 1561:1,4,5
1561:10,17,19,20,21
1577:9 1585:20 1586:14
1588:22 1590:10 1595:4
1601:13 1602:19,20
1604:14,23 1632:23
1634:7,16,17,18 1635:2
1635:5,21,24,25 1636:3
1636:3 1654:2 1660:7
sites 1401:21 1413:15
1444:3 1590:8 1626:8
1631:24 1633:9 1636:19
site-specific 1423:2
1546:10
sits 1489:15
sitting 1410:1,22 1429:4
1559:25
situ 1440:2 1485:8
1602:12
situation 1409:12 1436:7
1445:11 1455:11
1461:13 1482:25
1485:19,24 1518:21
1560:10 1586:16
1632:16
situations 1559:21
six 1433:13 1444:19
1655:5
six-day 1649:16
size 1396:10 1401:18
1425:12,25 1482:24
1485:20,22 1499:13
1531:12,16 1643:14,15
1645:5
sizes 1485:21
skewness 1439:21

skiers 1489:19
skip 1404:22
skipped 1405:10
sky 1432:11
slide 1518:5,17 1519:9
1523:14 1525:3 1564:15
1564:15 1619:2,2
slides 1518:7,14 1617:9
1637:21,22
slight 1422:4
slightly 1418:15 1428:5
sloppy 1559:9
slow 1487:21
slowly 1581:6
slurrying 1558:20
SMA 1393:2
small 1430:23 1431:7
1470:25 1490:3 1506:12
1527:2 1550:13 1551:7
1565:7 1592:6 1594:7,8
1644:6
smaller 1499:14,15
smallest 1525:19
SMA's 1510:20
Smith 1485:2
smoke 1416:19 1654:15
Smuggler 1632:21
1634:16 1635:2,5,21
snows 1654:10
social 1658:10
societies 1584:22
Society 1584:24
socioeconomic 1500:3
1610:7,15,17 1613:14
1613:24 1614:7 1617:20
1617:23 1618:4 1630:10
1638:10 1639:17
1641:16
socioeconomics 1614:11
sociological 1638:7
sodium 1529:21,25
software 1420:6 1620:2
1641:20,20 1642:3
soil 1517:22 1521:14
1554:16,18 1588:16
soils 1586:6 1593:22
solar 1490:13
Solar's 1657:17
solid 1537:4 1588:15
solidify 1610:4
solids 1532:5

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solitude 1489:18
solution 1530:7,22
1547:17
solutions 1513:18
1529:25 1530:1
somebody 1406:25
1407:5
someday 1552:6
somewhat 1420:7 1563:7
soon 1462:24 1520:5
sophisticated 1442:21
sorry 1394:11 1411:13,16
1414:15,23 1415:5
1416:10 1425:14 1431:3
1458:6 1464:10 1467:23
1482:11 1486:5 1487:21
1501:19 1505:5 1509:4
1516:15 1519:21
1541:25 1549:17
1558:16 1560:7 1562:3
1563:13 1571:1 1577:2
1578:16 1583:2 1587:14
1590:10 1591:14 1600:4
1608:10 1616:17 1618:6
1618:14,16,19 1619:24
1621:15 1625:14
1628:11 1629:19
1630:21 1633:3,4
1634:18 1638:2,5
1641:2 1645:2 1654:21
1656:18
sort 1394:8 1402:14
1412:15 1449:14 1450:1
1568:4 1587:12 1597:7
1602:16 1658:1
sorts 1481:5
sound 1470:12
soundings 1421:17,23
1423:5
sounds 1465:15 1562:21
source 1396:13,13,14,16
1491:25 1493:3,7
1494:20 1496:10
1601:12
sources 1425:23 1496:4
1642:6,9,11
south 1433:2 1440:19
1583:18
southwest 1433:3
1436:24 1437:5 1488:22
1498:24

so-called 1477:9 1597:25


Spaanstra 1390:2 1392:7
1392:12,13 1415:11
1422:14,18,24 1450:7
1450:10 1452:8,13,14
1456:12,17,21 1462:13
1462:15 1464:24
1465:15,18 1467:5,13
1467:15,20 1468:1,5,14
1468:22 1473:20 1475:7
1475:14,22 1478:9
1485:14 1501:1 1504:11
1504:16 1507:21 1508:9
1509:19 1510:2,20
1511:22 1512:3,10
1514:17 1515:21 1516:7
1516:15,19 1518:7,13
1519:18,21 1522:25
1528:5,8 1529:4,10,11
1535:6 1541:21 1551:19
1556:2,10,13 1557:5
1563:1,8 1564:20
1571:1 1608:21,22
1651:24 1652:1
space 1420:2 1440:8,11
1489:17 1490:23
1572:19 1601:16
spaghetti 1598:4
sparse 1443:24
spatial 1440:17
speak 1444:8 1485:13
1546:25 1550:2 1593:15
1610:1 1621:13 1639:9
speaking 1545:12
1546:13 1576:12 1581:5
1626:23 1639:14 1640:8
speaks 1656:22
special 1397:14 1437:11
1443:12 1658:11,21,21
specialized 1472:1
1513:21,23
specialty 1543:19
species 1659:16 1660:7,8
1660:13,18,22
specific 1421:15 1423:11
1423:23 1428:8 1453:15
1457:18 1555:8 1627:8
1631:24 1641:12
specifically 1407:15
1413:20 1496:25
1497:13 1517:20

1529:24 1530:4 1543:25


1550:2 1586:1 1656:9
specifications 1497:6,9
specifics 1493:18
specified 1620:4
specify 1567:16
speck 1432:10
spectrum 1485:21,22
speculate 1646:15
speed 1418:19 1419:7
1421:7 1426:18 1427:3
1427:16 1436:10 1608:4
speeds 1428:8,9 1433:1
1433:20 1434:25 1435:7
1498:9
spell 1467:12 1578:7
1583:1,3 1606:10
spelled 1522:4 1523:12
1523:13
spells 1522:11
spend 1462:18 1620:13
1622:14 1638:12 1659:4
spending 1619:19,20
1620:6,18,21 1621:16
1621:18 1622:16,20
1631:4,9 1638:12
spewing 1654:5
spill 1406:11 1408:11
spilled 1404:23
spills 1404:1,18 1445:17
spirit 1609:25
split 1644:8
spoke 1533:11 1573:5
1629:2
spoken 1639:3
spots 1405:1
spray 1485:7,20
sprayed 1486:1
spraying 1485:11
spread 1409:21 1593:17
1593:25 1594:1,11
spring 1425:3
sprinkler 1485:11
sprinklers 1532:18
sprinkles 1485:8
sprinkling 1485:8
squeeze 1648:13
ss 1662:2
stabilized 1531:1
stack 1554:8,13,15
1556:7,17,24

stacked 1560:14
stacking 1558:8,19
stacks 1542:9
staff 1460:25 1490:4
1513:5
stage 1420:8 1496:18
stand 1447:22 1606:25
1624:17
standard 1417:1 1419:4
1521:9 1540:17 1544:7
1562:19 1657:2
standards 1401:10
1466:7,9 1468:2
1562:15 1590:9 1617:25
1618:1 1658:4
standing 1493:13
stands 1449:12 1619:25
start 1414:5 1450:7
1460:15 1465:24,25
1483:24 1509:4 1581:2
1648:5 1652:14 1654:17
started 1513:5,16 1520:1
1553:1
starting 1465:20
state 1389:25 1401:19
1405:5 1413:16 1416:2
1440:21 1444:14 1446:7
1448:4 1449:6 1453:9
1453:23 1465:9,10
1466:6,15 1486:21
1491:19 1501:16,25
1502:2 1503:23 1512:7
1523:4 1536:15 1542:15
1549:13 1551:12
1552:18 1562:21,23
1564:10 1578:5 1606:7
1612:9 1651:15 1652:5
1653:8 1662:1,6
stated 1420:14 1522:3
1531:19 1532:2 1533:8
1535:16,16 1537:7
1545:13 1587:8 1629:7
statement 1392:23
1393:11 1414:16,25
1415:1 1422:16,25
1443:22 1458:18
1478:14 1488:7 1529:17
1590:23 1592:1,1
1653:6,24 1660:5
statements 1415:14
1497:3 1615:18

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states 1426:11 1438:19


1492:14 1514:5,16
1521:9,23 1522:10
1526:22 1543:7 1555:3
1581:13 1582:2
statewide 1632:5,11
state's 1453:12
state-of-the-art 1488:10
static 1590:1,24
stating 1535:24 1547:19
station 1410:2,22
1412:16 1418:22 1419:2
1421:16 1457:13
1458:25 1459:8
stationed 1445:15 1502:3
stations 1417:1 1456:25
1457:5,11,12,19
1459:12
statistically 1430:22
1435:1 1643:12
statistics 1421:22
1439:20
status 1493:22 1495:21
statute 1602:12
stayed 1599:22
step 1619:18
stepping 1469:9
Steve 1477:25 1497:22
stick 1454:4
sticking 1655:1
stigma 1623:2,4,6,9
1625:9,19,21,24 1626:1
1626:22 1627:6,11,21
1628:3,3,6,22 1632:6,8
1632:11,15 1634:5,7
1635:20 1636:1,22
1639:18 1640:3 1653:21
Stills 1390:9 1392:4,5,8
1392:11,13,14,16,18,20
1392:21,24 1394:10,24
1397:20 1398:8,14,17
1398:23,24 1405:14,17
1405:24 1406:6,7
1408:1 1411:16,19
1412:21,24 1413:18,23
1415:3 1452:6,12
1462:5,10,22 1465:14
1466:17,20 1467:23
1468:4,9,13,25 1469:5,7
1475:25 1476:7 1478:11
1486:16 1503:12,16

1504:17 1507:5,12,15
1507:17,20,23 1508:14
1508:19 1509:24 1510:1
1510:5,8 1511:2,23
1514:22 1515:16
1516:12 1522:1 1528:3
1528:6,9,23 1535:9,11
1535:13 1540:12,18,21
1541:16,25 1542:8
1555:19,24 1556:4,5,14
1557:7 1562:2,5 1563:6
1563:17 1577:4,6,16
1578:16 1579:2,14,21
1580:2,6,17,23 1584:8,9
1594:20,23 1598:20,21
1599:3 1605:7,22
1606:14 1607:18
1608:10 1609:7,8
1610:10,19 1611:11
1614:4 1616:2 1618:6
1623:22 1624:2,9,15
1627:5 1628:1,9
1637:10,15,24 1638:2,3
1640:19 1649:2,14,22
1650:8,11 1651:7,11,17
1651:20 1654:23,24
stint 1513:12
stipulated 1510:6
stock 1395:11
stockpiles 1477:9
stop 1399:3 1445:4
1646:21
stopping 1646:11
storage 1514:2,14
1521:22 1522:9 1554:14
1554:20,23 1555:3
store 1621:4 1639:4,7,8
1639:16 1643:20
1644:21 1657:12
storm 1417:3 1437:25
1439:8 1483:16
storms 1430:19 1431:20
1433:9,12,17,18
1436:14 1442:2 1443:5
1445:13 1498:18,22,25
1499:2
straight 1474:2
straight-line 1420:22
strata 1592:9
strategies 1613:22
strategy 1656:21

Stratus 1515:1,9 1516:2


1531:11,20 1550:10
1585:15 1605:17
1607:21,22
stream 1439:11 1548:20
1549:1,14
streams 1445:9 1548:13
1549:7,17,19
Street 1389:21 1390:3,17
1390:22 1662:21
strength 1529:24
strenuously 1508:15
stricken 1556:12
strict 1606:22
strike 1555:21 1556:11
stringent 1521:15
strong 1432:2 1433:4
1483:16
strongly 1395:20
struggling 1428:13
stuck 1481:9
student 1442:11
studied 1484:3
studies 1397:10 1483:17
1483:20 1526:10
1618:23 1619:4,7,7,11
1623:9,16 1627:14,18
1632:8
study 1400:13,19
1437:20 1438:3 1454:25
1455:4,13 1456:11
1468:10 1482:22,23
1492:4,13 1493:5
1494:4 1499:6 1526:22
1619:21 1620:3,5,9,10
1620:15,19,22 1621:20
1622:1,4,11,23 1626:20
1627:11,19 1628:3
1630:5 1633:1 1639:25
1644:25 1645:5,6,10
stuff 1459:19,25 1464:6
1484:1 1654:5
subject 1421:6 1426:23
1445:6 1447:9 1476:21
1477:12 1509:11
1516:11 1551:23 1614:1
1616:2 1617:4
submit 1414:25 1510:13
1607:8 1648:1 1649:14
submitted 1447:14
1517:16 1607:10

1608:14 1611:4 1616:20


1652:6
Subpart 1562:19,24
1564:5
subsequent 1438:20
1533:7 1587:10
substantial 1400:9
1444:14 1595:12
substantially 1526:24
1527:11
substantive 1496:23
success 1544:3
successful 1493:22
sucks 1483:10
suction 1598:10
suffer 1472:24
Suffice 1495:8
sufficient 1436:6
1660:14
suggest 1443:11 1528:24
1632:6 1650:13
suggested 1446:1
suggestion 1534:9
1552:6
suggests 1437:24
suitable 1402:5
Suite 1390:3,6,10,17
1662:21
summa 1512:22
summary 1393:5
1438:18 1513:1 1580:15
summation 1621:10
summer 1426:22
summertime 1441:8
Sup 1476:2
Superfund 1612:23
1631:24 1632:21 1633:9
1634:7 1636:3,19
1654:2
supplied 1429:15
1440:12 1653:1
suppliers 1442:5
1620:12,25 1622:12
supply 1428:17 1445:5
1491:12,14 1492:25
1583:7,9 1614:18
1658:8
supplying 1417:9
1440:25 1454:1,9
1496:8
support 1442:1 1508:22

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1626:25 1632:19
1647:16 1658:19
1659:23
supported 1412:18
1592:21
supporting 1402:13
suppose 1650:5
supposed 1609:24
1641:23
suppression 1476:22
sure 1402:1,24 1406:19
1409:11 1415:20 1419:2
1425:11 1434:13
1451:15 1455:3 1457:1
1462:1 1470:16 1511:11
1535:11 1566:18
1591:15 1608:10,19
1637:13
sures 1487:18
surety 1397:21,22 1399:9
1399:15
surface 1421:2,7 1425:22
1426:17 1437:16
1439:18 1440:2 1491:11
1491:15 1494:20
1497:11 1533:15 1540:2
1571:13,22,24 1572:13
1573:2 1576:7,12,13
1583:11 1586:7,10,11
1589:21 1598:4,14
surprise 1559:11 1608:2
1609:19 1624:17
surprised 1448:3
surrogate 1435:6
surround 1571:10
surrounding 1409:18
1490:11 1514:15
survey 1524:1 1542:18
1542:19 1643:18
surveys 1660:12,17,19
1660:21
survive 1576:5,8
suspended 1499:12
suspenders 1535:20
suspension 1495:17,24
1496:14
sustained 1443:4
1465:17 1478:10 1557:6
Swan 1467:18
swell 1530:1

swimming 1570:7
switch 1440:5
sworn 1416:5,13 1486:19
1512:5 1578:3,11
1606:5,19 1611:23
synthesize 1631:14
synthesizing 1631:20
synthetic 1530:5,8
1548:9 1549:11
system 1394:24 1395:4
1426:14 1437:16 1485:8
1485:11 1491:21,24
1517:19,23,25 1518:2
1521:25 1522:14,16,21
1523:16,17,18 1526:8
1526:21 1531:4 1534:19
1535:5,21,23 1536:6,8
1536:11,14,18,21,23,24
1537:1,4 1539:1,18,21
1540:15 1544:13,16
1547:18,21 1553:21,22
1553:24 1556:9 1560:11
1564:4 1566:25 1567:15
1568:2,4 1570:13
1573:20,23 1593:14
1595:5
systems 1518:15,18
1520:20 1526:2 1527:24
1532:14 1535:17,18
1537:5,11 1539:3,14
1545:3,21,23 1546:20
1547:2 1566:15 1572:24
S-a-n-d-r-a 1606:11
T
table 1426:9 1433:21
1434:9 1449:24 1450:3
1619:2,3 1624:25
tail 1430:12 1445:22
tailing 1395:10,16 1514:2
1514:13
tailings 1395:10,11,13,20
1395:22 1425:11,13,22
1425:25 1429:3 1431:6
1457:3 1459:16,18,22
1459:24 1460:6,12,16
1476:8,11,21 1482:19
1483:3 1514:15 1521:22
1522:9 1539:15,18
1540:4 1543:25 1546:17
1546:22 1547:5,12

1548:11 1554:5,7,9,13
1554:13,14,15,16,20,23
1554:24 1555:1,3,12,18
1556:8,17,25 1557:4
1558:5,7,8,10,12,12,19
1558:21,25 1559:1,9,14
1559:17,20,25 1560:19
1563:21,23 1564:1
1566:21 1567:7 1568:25
1569:13,16,18,24,25,25
1570:6,7,12,18 1571:10
1572:10 1573:18,19,22
1573:23 1574:19,19,21
1576:13,16 1585:20
1590:20 1596:14 1597:8
tails 1551:18
take 1407:5 1410:2,8
1423:4 1427:22 1452:10
1454:12 1459:13 1462:1
1468:7 1469:2 1470:24
1495:11 1501:22 1502:3
1507:2 1550:9 1556:21
1567:19 1568:6,10,13
1592:7,17 1609:8
1618:12 1622:4,5
1627:7,10 1630:15
1631:20 1637:10
1648:11 1652:7
taken 1403:24 1424:21
1426:2 1432:20 1435:4
1441:17 1443:18
1468:16 1503:23 1532:8
1537:18 1557:10
1577:21 1644:16,19
1662:8
takes 1595:17 1596:5
1655:8
talk 1394:15 1395:9
1451:13 1487:21
1491:13 1502:23
1512:12 1531:3 1550:4
1566:10 1629:16 1650:1
1658:10
talked 1397:4 1401:3
1412:25 1430:4 1462:8
1549:25 1586:12 1601:4
1639:4 1643:8,19,21,22
1648:12
talking 1399:3 1411:10
1427:14 1447:6 1453:6
1480:11 1541:21 1554:5

1559:16 1571:6 1575:5


1593:4 1657:18
talks 1400:19
Target 1621:6
Tarlton 1454:2 1477:25
1493:24 1497:15,22
1504:24 1505:14 1533:8
1651:10
Tarlton's 1452:16
tarpaulin 1402:5
task 1499:9
taught 1613:8
tax 1481:13
taxpayer 1488:4 1500:10
team 1404:13 1406:17
1407:11,14,22 1410:14
1410:21 1412:19 1611:6
1613:3 1616:12
teams 1407:16 1409:19
1410:1,8,16,19
tear 1400:17
Tech 1513:2,4
technical 1403:21
1496:20,22 1514:7,11
1564:25 1589:4 1658:4
1658:9
technically 1420:7
1427:4
technique 1632:24
1633:7 1635:9 1640:1
techniques 1417:2
1419:4 1597:13 1637:3
technologies 1539:7
1655:13
technology 1512:24
1539:1 1555:14 1556:6
1556:15,19,22 1559:22
1560:1 1573:15
telephone 1650:7
telephonically 1390:18
1390:23
tell 1408:20 1459:7
1481:4 1487:20 1488:17
1544:25 1548:25 1556:5
1567:23 1581:20
1597:17 1622:6 1648:23
1654:16 1655:18
tells 1568:5
Telluride 1399:5
1401:12 1411:15
1420:20 1423:17

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1436:24,25,25 1438:25
1454:18 1461:18 1462:3
1463:13,19 1464:9
1465:6 1466:13 1477:15
1477:19 1478:16 1495:2
1496:1 1501:15 1636:22
1657:9
temperature 1418:17,19
1419:22 1457:16,20
1565:15 1570:1,3
temporary 1495:16
1496:14
tend 1655:15
term 1502:19
terminated 1495:8
termination 1530:20
terming 1520:8
terms 1452:14 1453:9
1468:7 1509:22 1526:25
1584:18 1621:3 1639:1
1642:8 1648:17 1656:23
terrain 1420:24 1421:12
1431:17 1474:3,6,9,13
1474:17 1497:18,21
1498:9
terribly 1634:8
test 1530:21,25 1566:17
1568:11 1595:15 1601:5
1601:7 1604:19
tested 1573:5 1602:13,17
1602:18
testified 1395:24
1416:13 1432:8 1451:11
1451:16 1461:3,5
1471:15 1472:22
1474:12 1485:15
1503:25 1517:6 1520:12
1525:6 1533:19 1543:21
1544:6 1551:20,22
1562:5 1563:6,8
1578:12 1593:12 1600:8
1600:14 1611:24 1627:6
1627:10 1639:24
testify 1414:10 1462:6
1466:20,24 1475:8
1500:21 1502:25
1504:23 1510:16 1515:7
1515:11 1517:13 1522:5
1543:1 1547:3,11
1555:20 1577:13
1579:24 1580:20

1591:15 1605:5 1611:17


1615:8,10 1624:21,25
1646:20 1659:25
testifying 1398:9
1415:14 1465:15
1469:20 1473:16 1478:9
1506:11 1577:20 1618:7
1618:8 1623:23,24
1624:23 1637:16
1644:15 1646:2
testimony 1392:7,10
1399:1 1414:16 1437:14
1440:20,22 1442:14
1452:15,16 1453:7
1466:2 1468:10,21
1469:13 1470:7,18
1471:5 1472:18 1473:22
1476:7 1477:25 1478:11
1480:5 1484:11 1486:14
1488:11 1497:2,4
1500:22 1505:2 1507:13
1508:4,24 1514:24
1515:1 1517:7 1523:1
1525:4,10 1526:2
1528:11,24 1529:3
1531:14 1533:3,4,7
1534:6 1535:14,22
1538:20 1550:6 1551:14
1554:10 1556:11
1557:23 1558:1,15
1560:5 1563:10 1577:7
1578:22 1579:6 1585:16
1594:13 1599:9,16,25
1602:22 1603:1 1604:22
1607:13 1616:20
1617:10,14,15 1623:3
1628:16 1629:22 1632:1
1633:5 1634:1 1637:2
1640:11,14,17 1646:20
testing 1495:5 1529:15
1530:5,9,12,18 1548:1,7
1548:10 1549:12
1566:18,24 1573:12
1587:11 1600:10,20,21
1602:9
tests 1530:3 1544:24
1548:7
thank 1403:9 1405:9
1409:13 1413:23,24
1450:4,21 1451:23
1454:15 1456:21

1458:13 1459:9 1467:5


1468:4,19 1469:8,10,12
1473:18 1477:18
1481:18,20,23 1486:9
1500:20 1506:15
1511:22,23 1512:3,13
1513:19 1514:17
1515:16 1529:10 1535:6
1564:12 1570:21 1573:3
1575:15 1577:16,19
1580:2 1581:1 1582:8
1584:3 1586:11 1594:18
1596:13 1598:17
1605:23 1611:21 1612:3
1612:16 1622:6,25
1626:4,13 1627:2
1647:7,9 1648:9
1652:18 1654:19
1658:20,23 1659:1,2,2
1661:7
thanks 1414:3 1420:10
1482:14 1506:11,14,24
1548:5 1637:22
theoretical 1502:15
1526:23
theories 1503:6
theory 1486:6 1503:8
thereof 1558:3 1582:23
they'd 1445:3 1559:10
1576:18
thick 1395:17 1520:25
1521:13 1524:17
1560:23 1561:1,6,8
thickness 1519:7 1603:5
1603:5
thin 1523:5
thing 1430:9 1435:5
1440:13 1450:3,15
1459:21 1476:23 1490:4
1495:23 1523:21
1547:15 1558:16 1561:4
1567:4,6,20 1568:10
1574:10 1580:10
1589:22,25 1590:23
1591:4 1593:7 1594:10
1596:22 1602:4 1604:20
1650:1 1653:5,21
1654:3,4 1659:13
things 1409:1 1429:2
1432:6,9,17 1436:14
1448:21 1451:8 1456:20

1462:6,14,19 1463:15
1467:8 1469:24 1471:20
1480:6 1485:7,25
1502:2 1525:6 1537:2
1537:17 1540:25 1541:6
1546:7 1568:8,9 1595:8
1596:14 1606:22 1608:4
1635:19 1642:15
1650:16 1654:8,25
1657:23
think 1398:9,15 1404:23
1405:6 1412:15 1415:13
1415:15 1423:15
1424:10 1426:12
1431:16 1451:6,7,7
1453:6 1455:7,10
1457:1 1458:22 1459:16
1460:22,25 1461:21
1463:6,11,24 1468:5,15
1468:15 1471:14,20
1472:4 1473:6 1478:2
1501:6,12,19,25 1502:7
1504:9,14 1508:5
1515:14 1525:10
1534:23 1538:19
1541:15 1555:23 1570:5
1570:20 1573:17
1575:12 1576:4,22,24
1586:2 1590:11 1591:17
1596:13,17 1607:6
1609:5,15 1618:17
1625:24 1626:18
1627:22 1634:3 1636:13
1639:6 1643:5 1646:8
1646:16 1648:10,24
1649:17 1650:25
1651:23 1653:4 1657:25
1658:22
thinking 1450:13,19
1467:20 1654:16
third 1465:20,21
Thirdly 1527:8
thought 1405:21 1446:19
1462:17 1511:12
1552:14 1573:14
1629:19
thousand 1396:2,7,9,15
1397:6 1400:15 1432:7
1490:10 1498:3 1545:4
1545:12 1573:6,10
1575:6,8 1592:8,17

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1593:5
thousands 1421:1
1488:15 1574:3 1593:5
three 1400:1,23 1412:17
1416:17 1425:18,19
1432:25 1433:10,11
1488:19,25 1489:2
1492:1 1496:3 1526:7
1550:12 1586:17 1591:7
1593:23 1594:5 1604:23
1619:7,11 1620:8
1621:10 1656:24
threshold 1425:7,13,17
1425:19 1426:3 1430:1
1430:8,21 1438:4,6,9
1477:6
Thunderbird 1612:13
thunderstorms 1426:24
1445:13
Thursday 1487:8
1650:22,23
tied 1436:15 1658:14
time 1409:7 1419:25
1421:21,24 1422:5
1423:5 1427:23 1428:15
1428:16,25 1430:1,25
1433:11 1434:3 1436:1
1438:16 1439:5 1440:8
1440:8,11 1442:12
1443:5 1446:2 1447:14
1447:15 1455:19
1462:18,23 1479:5
1486:15 1495:11,14
1507:1 1511:16 1513:12
1515:15 1525:12
1528:12 1532:18
1553:15 1559:10
1570:16 1579:3 1589:12
1589:23 1590:7 1594:8
1595:18,19 1596:9
1599:22 1600:22
1604:13 1606:24
1607:14 1608:1 1609:21
1629:11 1646:6 1648:6
1649:6,18 1652:8
1656:14 1658:20 1659:3
1660:20 1662:8
timely 1508:6
times 1402:4 1421:18
1426:19 1429:6 1432:22
1436:15 1477:10 1489:2

1492:5 1520:10 1522:21


1522:23 1523:2 1530:10
1553:22 1592:23
time-consuming
1445:11
timing 1578:20
tinker 1651:1
tip 1598:1,1
tired 1659:7
title 1526:20
titled 1527:20
today 1450:14 1515:7
1555:13 1565:3 1578:19
1581:2 1582:7 1607:12
1612:3 1628:16 1631:18
1641:14 1648:6 1650:16
told 1396:4 1648:18
1657:7 1659:19,20
ton 1440:14
tonnage 1401:17
tons 1396:2,5,7,9,15,25
1397:6,17 1400:15
tool 1620:2
top 1419:12 1570:11,17
1574:2
topic 1529:12 1534:21
topographical 1494:24
tornado 1431:16,18
tornadoes 1431:15,22
total 1499:11 1529:1
1532:5 1619:14 1621:12
1631:3
totally 1504:12 1563:11
touch 1394:9
tourism 1500:5 1623:9
tower 1419:13,14
1424:22
towers 1419:22 1483:6
town 1399:5 1437:4,17
1481:4,7 1486:24
1487:1,2,6 1488:18,20
1489:3,5 1490:11
1491:2,8,12 1493:14
1494:3,14 1495:2
1496:1 1498:16,20,25
1499:2,15,17,23
1501:14 1503:20
1505:17 1506:2,12
1634:19,23 1635:1,5,6
1635:22,24 1636:13,16
1636:25 1643:19

towns 1420:19,25 1422:8


1439:1 1498:6,9
1631:23 1633:13
1636:18
town's 1490:9 1494:21
toxic 1445:5,10,17
track 1488:5 1502:6
traffic 1400:12,13,19,20
1404:18,21 1441:7,12
1443:24,25 1444:2,11
1444:14,15,23 1446:8
1454:25 1455:4,5,10,11
1455:13 1456:11 1646:5
traffic-related 1641:8
trailer 1401:18,25 1402:3
1635:1
trained 1410:24 1412:12
1445:19 1635:8
training 1409:6,10
1412:3,7 1470:9
trajectories 1422:3
1423:16 1424:4 1437:7
1437:8
trajectory 1421:13
1422:2 1423:9 1436:20
transcended 1489:5
transcript 1389:3 1649:7
1649:10,16 1662:11
transfer 1439:12 1500:14
1529:8 1596:2,11
1597:10
transferring 1463:18
transfers 1524:25
transient 1550:22,25
transitions 1425:3
translates 1425:7
transmit 1590:19
transmittal 1607:19
transmitted 1599:13
1607:20,20
transpired 1509:6
transport 1408:9,19,23
1409:14 1412:12
1417:18,19 1440:25
1441:5 1443:24 1448:5
1470:21 1471:11
1474:14,15 1477:3
1492:19 1494:7 1498:19
1527:3 1560:3 1601:12
transportation 1399:19
1399:25 1400:22,22

1401:9 1402:14 1408:8


1409:4 1412:4,7
1417:12,15,16 1443:21
1444:21 1453:19
1454:16,22,23 1455:23
1456:19 1462:9 1463:2
1465:12 1469:19 1471:2
1475:17 1500:3 1614:10
1641:8
transported 1412:11
1432:15 1492:7
transporting 1464:6
transuranic 1582:24
1583:4
travel 1422:11 1499:14
1528:16 1594:8
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1613:17
X
X 1392:1 1393:1
XL 1428:3
XY 1597:6
Y
yard 1416:19 1437:15
1576:9
yeah 1403:15 1410:5
1427:20 1474:17
1477:23 1481:1,4,17
1482:8 1503:3 1567:9
1638:22
year 1399:15 1416:25
1418:23 1419:1 1424:24
1427:16 1428:24 1429:7
1432:22 1434:20
1441:15 1443:1 1455:20
1490:4,25 1492:10,12
1496:7 1501:11 1513:16
1516:22 1530:20
1582:19 1645:21
1660:20
years 1418:13 1419:19
1441:22 1442:8 1446:21
1446:22 1448:2 1488:19
1488:23,24 1493:25
1513:22 1526:4,8,9
1527:17 1532:8 1543:13
1543:16 1544:9,10,14
1545:4,12,14 1553:9
1558:11,22 1559:8,18
1560:1 1567:4 1573:6
1573:10,11,16,24
1574:3 1575:6,8,10
1581:22 1582:3 1586:17
1586:17 1592:8,17
1593:5,5 1604:24

1634:22
yellowcake 1401:11
1404:24 1406:14,21
1463:2,15
yesterday 1394:6,9,14
1397:20 1438:8 1469:9
1487:9 1640:13 1648:7
York 1481:5
you-all 1409:25 1416:21
1431:15 1434:24 1659:5
Z
zero 1434:4,14
zone 1524:18 1533:2,5,9
1533:20 1537:9 1552:4
1579:9 1585:15,19
1586:4,5,8,13 1588:4
1592:6,13,18 1593:13
1593:14 1594:9,12,15
1596:25 1597:22,22,24
1602:23 1603:2,5,7,20
1603:22 1604:8
$
$11 1398:4
$112,000 1490:3
$15 1399:10
$237,000 1634:14
$250 1440:14
$75,000 1491:1
$800,000 1491:19
1
1 1393:11 1401:3 1402:19
1403:7 1414:17 1415:21
1419:7 1424:22 1426:9
1426:20 1428:12
1434:23 1435:6 1463:1
1492:19 1553:5 1589:5
1589:6
1st 1649:13
1,000-ton-per-day
1400:14
1,394 1392:3
1,405 1392:4
1,408 1392:4
1,411 1392:5
1,412 1392:5
1,414 1393:11
1,416 1392:7
1,427 1393:12
1,450 1392:7

1,469 1392:8
1,482 1392:8
1,487 1392:10
1,501 1392:10
1,503 1392:11
1,512 1392:12
1,514 1392:13
1,515 1392:13
1,516 1393:8
1,536 1392:14
1,564 1392:14
1,571 1392:15
1,576 1392:15
1,577 1392:16
1,578 1392:17
1,580 1393:3,4,5
1,595 1392:18
1,599 1392:18
1,612 1392:20
1,614 1392:20
1,616 1392:21
1,627 1392:21 1628:2
1,640 1392:22
1,652 1392:24
1,654 1392:24
1,659 1392:25
1.5 1547:4,13
10 1395:22 1427:22
1430:14 1431:5 1433:20
1441:14 1469:2 1519:7
1566:8 1576:6 1577:21
1592:10,23 1593:1,2
10,000 1432:9 1489:14
10-hour 1444:19
10-meter 1419:14
1424:21 1425:21 1459:6
10-minute 1647:21
1648:12
10:49 1469:4
100 1496:5 1520:10
1533:25 1536:1,12,16
1555:2 1626:7
1045 1389:21
11:03 1469:4
116 1631:3,6
1193 1476:2
12 1389:2 1402:18,20
1403:1 1521:13
12,000 1432:9
12-month 1484:15
12:00 1503:17

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12:02 1507:3
12:20 1507:3
1224 1476:2
13 1389:4,19 1398:7
1402:19 1403:8 1661:11
1318 1389:2
14 1400:11 1401:2,5
1433:20,21 1454:20
1456:12 1488:23 1499:4
14.7 1589:3
1400 1429:6,6
141 1441:4,7
15 1401:6 1428:25 1429:8
1429:13 1433:22
1513:22 1514:2 1526:9
15-minute 1425:5
1428:10 1429:6,11
1430:24 1433:15,17,19
1439:17 1507:2,10
1500 1481:11
1500-tons-per-day
1641:1,6
1525 1390:22
153 1647:17
1536 1390:17
16 1429:12
16th 1662:21
160 1489:12
170 1433:2
1700 1390:3
18.4.1 1656:10
184 1453:14
1881 1489:4
19 1497:22 1580:13
1628:2
19th 1608:13
1911 1390:10
1964 1581:11
1971 1582:2
1978 1582:4
1979 1582:20
1983 1582:20
1996 1512:22
1997 1613:13
1998 1512:25 1513:4,20
2
2 1393:12 1403:7 1411:9
1419:7 1426:18 1427:8
1427:9 1428:2,19,23
1431:2 1434:23 1435:6

1435:6 1464:25 1465:2


1508:12,13 1517:16
1530:6 1534:9,22
1587:9 1629:12
2nd 1476:2 1509:2
1515:25 1516:10
1523:13 1531:19 1537:6
1550:9 1606:20 1607:10
1608:1 1616:15
2,000 1423:20
2:00 1487:9 1577:22
2:14 1577:22
20 1429:4 1430:14
1432:18 1443:4 1444:18
1460:2 1509:20 1514:1
1514:7 1526:8 1603:2,7
1603:23 1609:1 1622:2
1651:16
20th 1508:10 1509:12
1510:9 1578:24 1606:16
1607:9 1608:8,14,22
1611:8
20,000 1575:10
20-second 1429:19,21,21
1431:1
20-year 1490:9
20.3 1425:7 1438:5
200 1441:13 1494:8
2000 1513:7,10
2000s 1539:17,17
2001 1492:22
2005 1526:20 1544:11
2007 1516:22 1527:20
1553:4,5 1585:6
2008 1418:23 1424:24
1492:16 1513:11
2009 1418:23 1424:24
1479:24 1491:2 1493:9
1604:24 1605:4
2010 1493:24 1497:15,22
1499:19 1504:1 1605:18
1624:13 1655:19
1656:18
2011 1505:13,15 1513:10
1513:14 1516:23
2012 1389:4,19 1479:16
1479:21 1480:3 1508:1
1580:13 1609:1 1661:11
1662:17
2013 1662:18
21 1436:21 1587:19

1628:2
210 1499:4
216 1662:21
22 1493:24 1497:15
1587:19
220 1444:4
220-a-day 1444:17
23 1587:20
238 1390:10
24 1433:9 1441:14
1488:23
24-hour 1444:20
24/7 1406:17 1410:1
1445:14,25
25 1430:15 1514:7,11
1644:12
26 1431:3 1508:3
27 1587:7 1603:16
270 1433:2,5
29 1433:8,8,23 1436:22
1662:18
3
3 1393:8 1400:1 1402:20
1429:14 1431:2 1453:22
1454:10 1467:17 1468:1
1496:4,6 1516:8,14
1519:7 1520:25 1522:15
1524:17,21 1565:18
1575:22,24 1593:1
3-meter 1419:13
3.8 1498:14
3/4 1531:11
3:02 1605:24
3:15 1605:24
30 1418:13 1432:18
1433:22,24 1434:7
1446:21,22 1448:2
1526:4 1530:19 1651:15
30th 1649:12 1662:17
30-year 1418:13 1419:3
300 1589:6 1592:5
1602:23
300-foot 1604:8
303 1390:17
313 1631:9
32 1393:3 1580:11
1611:14
32-34 1580:24
3200 1390:3
33 1393:4 1580:12

1595:24 1596:1
33-foot 1424:22
34 1393:5 1580:15
349 1390:13
35 1429:13 1434:7,9
1585:23,25 1600:8,14
1602:5
35-mile-an-hour
1433:25
350 1441:15
36 1433:13 1436:14
1443:3
360 1433:5
39-mile-per-hour 1438:3
4
4 1401:7 1428:24 1430:25
1433:6 1575:22,24
1592:10 1593:2
4A 1539:15,18 1540:4
1543:25
4th 1648:20,21 1652:2
4,379 1497:25
4-2008 1443:1
4-2009 1443:2
4.4 1530:8
4.5 1547:4,13
4:04 1637:14
4:13 1637:14
4:49 1661:10
40 1432:19 1434:11
1567:4 1576:7
40-year 1442:18
43 1586:2 1600:9,15
44 1390:6
45-day 1649:6
46 1532:21
48 1530:16
48-hour 1530:12
49 1430:2
5
5 1499:19 1508:1 1617:2
1617:3,7 1631:25
5th 1509:13 1606:17
1648:18
5,000 1583:23
5-minute 1648:12
50 1409:21 1420:25
1421:16
50s 1441:22

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50-foot-deep 1445:24
50-mile 1498:14
50-mile-an-hour
1434:11 1443:3
500 1396:5,25 1397:17
1481:7 1530:10
500,000 1573:11,16,24
1640:25 1641:5
500-ton-per-day 1397:4
1444:4
51 1476:1
512 1481:8
6
6 1433:6 1480:3 1521:12
6:11 1609:2
60 1431:4 1434:10
1489:12 1491:7 1498:1
60s 1442:11
60-mile-an-hour 1576:6
600 1390:6 1527:17
1544:9,10,14 1545:14
1662:21
61 1423:14
6215 1391:2
65 1621:24

85 1621:21,23,25
9
9 1425:6,17 1429:25
1430:3,9 1431:2 1434:3
1434:4 1513:11
9-meter-per-second
1430:11
9-19-12 1393:4
9-20-12 1393:3
9-20-2012 1580:11
9:24 1427:24
9:35 1427:24
90 1441:3
94 1481:10

7
7 1519:8 1566:8
7th 1390:22 1509:4,5
7,000 1522:21 1523:2
7:00 1487:10
700 1481:8
700,000 1522:23
73 1489:11 1491:23
78 1600:19 1601:8 1602:2
1602:4
8
8:37 1389:19
80 1532:23 1567:17
1602:2 1621:25
80s 1441:22
80-kilometer 1498:6,10
1498:16
80202 1390:17 1662:21
80203 1390:4,23
80228 1390:7
80303 1391:3
80540 1390:13
81301 1390:11
819 1476:1
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