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Time of Birth
ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH
Yes, there was a very big debate in one of the classes in Delhi on this and this is the
final answer. Nadi Sodhana..cutting of the umbilicus is the correct time.
ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH
As regards blood circulation, let me tell you that even after the cutting of the limb
of a person, his astral limb exists. Thus the cutting of the umbilical chord is the
actual time of birth..signifying independence from mother. Circulation is no
criteria as the milk that the mother continues to feed to the child is also a part of
her blood. This is the reason as to why MARS is also a STHRA KARAKA for
mother along with the Moon. The father contributes his semen and the Venus is
sthira Karaka for father along with the Sun.
Measuring birthtime from sun, why?
ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH
~ QUESTION BY MRGAURANGA DAS
GMT is local mean time for Greenwich, i.e. 12.00 GMT is local noon at
Greenwich. The Ascendant covers the whole zodiac in 24 hours, thus making a
360 degree circle. 24 hours is 1440 minutes, and this divided by 360 is 4 minutes
per degree. So the midheaven (the point of the Sun's crossing the meridian of
tile place) moves with the same angular speed> (1 degree per 4 minutes) and
therefore this is the equation for calculating the local mean time for any longitude
on the e"lftll. So we might say that GMT is arbit,-my, but if we take any otller
point, the equation will be the same and give the same result. Therefore the point
of beginning (0 deg longitude) may be any point mld LMT may be calculated flOm
it be it Greenwich or lIjjain or whatever other place.
And the Sun's crossing the midlJeaven is not "m 8Ibitrary point ill time but
coincides a natural phenomenon occurring in all longitudes of the earth.
zodiac.
Why Hora? Hare means a half of a sign (15 degrees)
and there are 24 of them in the whole zodiac_ So if we
take that the L8gn8 or Midhe8ven of wh8tever fixed
point of the place takes eX8ctly 24 Hams to go around
the zodiac, then it is more dear why we link the Hams
not to the SUN, but to the MIDHEAVEN. A Hom is the
definition based on the Rasi. And Rasis (especially in
the sidereal zodiac) are not based on the Sun. but on
the Nakshatras. So the only way to arrive to a circle
divided into 12 equal Rasis and 24 equal Horas is
based on the movement of the Midheaven around the
The movement of the Sun differs a bit. that's why if the R,1sis are determined on
the basis of the Sun's position. we arrive kJ the Tropical Zodiac, which shifts
compared to the sidereal.
I have only one question after this: Why is the birth time calculated in Ghatikas
from the SUllrise? Tilis measuremellt is cleal!y based Ofl the SUIl, and 60 gllatis
(especially as they are equal to 24 Horas) would almost never match a Solarday
(lasting from sUllrise to sunrise), only Oil the days of equillOx. Even tllen in the
spring it may differ a bit from the autumn one.
So wllat is the significance in measuring tile biftll time from sUf){ise? How do
they do that in the poles?
Your understanding is correct, but for a few technical points. What you say as ascendant
is actually the BHAVA LAGNA which moves @ 1 degree in 4 minutes.
The Sun is the Naisargika Atmakaraka and the visiblity of the Sun's upper limb has been
used for Poojas and Yagna since time immemorial. The most important point is that the
SUN is the Creator or the cause of the Lagna. f there was no Sun (figureatively, Atma or
Vishnu) then there would be no need for a body. This is the explanation for the
traditional use of the measurement of the time in Ghatika's from Sunrise. Thus if a baby
is to be born, then it is the Atma that comes first and then it enters food, from food to
sperm, from sperm to egg and from egg to baby. Thus the Atma causes the Lagna to
come into existence.
Hence all measurement of Astrological time for the sake of explanation of individual
births is from the Sun. However, the Yuga and others are explained on the basis of time.
These affect individuals, but are not dependent on the individuals. Thus when Jaimini
asks us to measure the Birth time from Sunrise or Sunset to determine the sex of the
child, he is teaching an important lesson in giving the primacy to the Atma. He is also
teaching a second very important lesson that the Sunrise (symbolising first house) or the
sunset (symbolising seventh house) are the two houses of the Satya Peetha as these
symbolise the Sun or the house aspected by the Sun (7th). This is the basis for choosing
the stronger between the first and seventh house for the starting of all the various types
of Rasi Dasa. These two houses become Satya Peetha and the Maya Pada (Arudha
Pada) cannot fall in these houses. Thus this also teaches that the Arudha Pada of any
house cannot fall in the same house or the seventh from it.
Birthtime r ectification technique
ANSWER BY PT.SANJAY RATH
Sri Subba Rao is correct. The Full cycle consists of Aaroha and then avaroha gati. To
ignore the latter is like ignoring the night and saying that i know the meaning of the full
day, just because know "day"... HORA..Day& Night..similarly, the gati of the tatwa
and the antartattwa will also fall into Aaroha (Day) and Avaroha (Night) gati. This is the
basis of the Sama & Vimsa rasi as well as the Samapada & Vimsapada rasi. Sri
Subbarao has understood correctly. There is yet another confirmation based on the
Vighatika of birth, besides some points on Navamsa-Dwadasamsa...
Following is the diagrammatic representation of the sunrise by Mr.Narasimha Rao.
OM TAT SAT
( 1) "Apparent" ri se of upper limb ( ti p)
Sunr"ys be nd due
to "tmosphe ric
refr" ction and Sun's
uppe r tip is vi sibl e
before it is re" l", on
th e e"ste rn horizonl
(2) "True" ri se of upper limb ( ti p)
oflagna
On", tip is on th e
hori zon, but physic" l",
we s ee " lot more of
Sun "t this time (due to
"tmos phe ric refr" ction)1
(3) "True" ri se of center
Three Definiti ons of Sunri se
By Narasimha Rao
of Sun
of Sun