Marilyn Agee (7 Aug 2012) "Michael Colunga (25 July 2012) "Response to Marilyn Agee--why April 3, 33 AD was, to a moral

certainty, the day of the crucifixion"

From: Marilyn Agee Re: day of the Crucifixion > > there never has been a "Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD." Sorry. I should have said, "Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790 (Hebrew), 30 AD (Julian)." > > there was a Yom Revii - ( abbr. " =[ ) fourth day" = Wednesday] 14 Nisan 3790, equivalent to our Tuesday-Wednesday 4-5 April 30 AD. Nisan 14 was Friday in 30 AD, not Tuesday-Wednesday. Here are my dates for Passion Week: Monday, 2nd day of the week, Nisan 10, 3790 (Hebrew), April 3, 30 AD (Julian) Tuesday, 3rd day of the week, Nisan 11, 3790 (Hebrew), April 4, 30 AD (Julian) Wednesday, 4th day of the week, Nisan 12, 3790 (Hebrew), April 5, 30 AD (Julian) Thursday, 5th day of the week, Nisan 13, 3790 (Hebrew), April 6, 30 AD (Julian), Preparation of the Passover, Crucifixion Day Friday, 6th day of the week, Nisan 14, 3790 (Hebrew), April 7, 30 AD (Julian), Feast of Passover Saturday, 7th day of the week, Nisan 15, 3790 (Hebrew), April 8, 30 AD (Julian), 1st day of the 7-day Feast of Unleavened Bread Sunday,1st day of the week, Nisan 16, 3790 (Hebrew), April 9, 30 AD (Julian), Feast of Firstfruits, Resurrection Day (Just as Jesus took the OT saints to Heaven then came back on April 9, I think he will come back at the Second Advent on April 9 (2016), the first day of the Jubilee Year.) > > However, Daniel 9:24 and the subsequent events of history rule out any date in 30 AD. I disagree. I think the Crucifixion was Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790 (Hebrew), April 6, 30 AD (Julian), Preparation of the Passover, Crucifixion Day. I worked years on this, and devoted a whole chapter to it in my first book. Dr. Ehlert, head of BIOLA's Library at the time, helped me find the resources I needed. To start off with, he showed me where I could find an unpublished Th.D thesis written by Leslie P. Madison at Dallas Theological Seminary, 1963, Problems of Chronology in the Life of Christ. That was helpful so I would not have to retrace his steps. It got me off to a good start. AFTER SIFTING THROUGH MANY BOOKS IN THE BIOLA LIBRARY'S SEMINARY COLLECTION ON THE SUBJECT OF THE DATE OF THE CRUCIFIXION, HERE IS WHAT I BELIEVE. I think Jesus was crucified on Thursday, Nisan 13, 3790 (April 6, 30 AD, Julian) the Preparation of the Passover. The next day, the Passover, was a high day, an annual Sabbath, Friday, Nisan 14, 3790 (April 7, 30 AD, Julian). Jesus died when the priests at the Temple began to kill the sheep. They had to kill thousands between the evenings, i.e., between 3 PM and 6 PM Thursday, the Preparation of the Passover. When in Egypt, the Passover lambs had to be roasted and eaten before midnight, 6 hours after Nisan 14 began, or the firstborn Israelites would have died.

SCRIPTURE IS CLEAR THAT THE PASSOVER WAS STILL FUTURE ON THE DAY OF THE CRUCIFIXION John_18:28 says, "Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover." John_19:14 says, "And it (i.e., the day of judgment and crucifixion) was the PREPARATION OF THE PASSOVER, and about the sixth hour (Roman time, 9 AM): and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" The Feast of Passover was Friday, Nisan 14 (April 7, 30 AD). HEBREW CALENDAR RULES Because of Hebrew Calendar rules in use today, the Passover can only fall on Monday, Wednesday, Friday or Saturday. Therefore, the preparation of the Passover can only fall on Sunday, Tuesday, Thursday or Friday. This rules out a Wednesday crucifixion if the Sanhedrin went by this rule in 30 AD. http://triumphpro.com/postponements-new-truth.htm
"A special committee of the Sanhedrin, with its president as chairman, had the mandate to regulate and balance the solar with the lunar years. This so-called Calendar Council (Sod Haibbur) calculated the beginnings of the seasons (Tekufoth) on the basis of astronomical figures which had been HANDED DOWN AS A TRADITION OF OLD. . ." (Spier, The Comprehensive Hebrew Calendar, p.1).

Spier tells us what the Jews had to do in the fourth century to preserve the calendar. He asserts:
"This method of observation and intercalation was in use throughout the period of the second temple (516 B.C.E.-70 C.E.), and about three centuries after its destruction, as long as there was an independent Sanhedrin. In the FOURTH CENTURY, however, when oppression and persecution threatened the continued existence of the Sanhedrin, the patriarch Hillel II took an extraordinary step to PRESERVE THE UNITY OF ISRAEL. In order to PREVENT the Jews scattered all over the surface of the earth from celebrating their new moons, festivals and holidays at DIFFERENT TIMES, he made PUBLIC the system of calendar calculation which up to then had been a CLOSELY GUARDED SECRET. . . . "In accordance with this system, Hillel II formally sanctified all months in advance, and intercalated all future leap years until such time as a new, recognized Sanhedrin would be established in Israel" (p.2)."

These facts confirm the usage of the Hebrew calendar calculations to ascertain the dates of Passover, and the other holy days and new moons, in the years before Hillel II, including the holy day dates during the time of Jesus Christ. > > For details, see the lawyer-approved http://bethlehemstar.net/. You'll see that April 3, 33 AD was, to a moral certainty, the day of the crucifixion. I read it, and will stick to April 6, 30 AD for the Crucifixion. > > When you pick your jaw up off the floor, drop Five Doves a post. I hope this helps: http://www.aish.com/jl/hol/o/48970511.html. My jaw is not on the floor. This is one of my favorite subjects. I have researched it for years. I know exactly why I believe what I do. At your request, I will send this to Five Doves. At http://bethlehemstar.net, a "Distinguished Professor of Old Testament Studies, Dallas Theological Seminary" said, "models the scientific method at its best". It may model the

scientific method at its best, but in my head, it doesnt arrive at the truth any more than the theory of evolution does. My favorite TV channel is National Geographic Wild, but I shake my head back and forth when they try to sell me on evolution. Why they can't see that God made the animals and planned the food chain is beyond my understanding. Those things they tell us evolved don't just happen by chance. When things do happen to change on their own, they change toward chaos. In other words, they get worse, not better. The article in the "Star" is riddled with errors. Under Dating the Crucifixion, the Star says, Friday came to be known as Preparation Day (2).
It was a day when food and other things needed for Saturday were prepared in advance. This is our first clue to the date of the crucifixion, because all four Gospels state that Jesus was crucified on Preparation Day, a Friday (3). This is also the common consensus of the Church Fathers and scholars throughout church history (4)."

It is true that "Jesus was crucified on Preparation Day", but it was the Preparation of the Passover, Nisan 13, not the Preparation of the Saturday Sabbath, Nisan 14. Nisan 14 was the Passover, an annual Sabbath, a high day. No food could be prepared that day. The food for Nisan 14 (Passover), Nisan 15 (Feast of Unleavened Bread) and Nisan 16 (Feast of Firstfruits) all had to be prepared on Nisan 13, the day before the Passover.
Continuing, the "Star" says, "The Gospels also record that the crucifixion occurred the day before the Passover festival (5).

That is true. The Crucifixion was on Nisan 13, "the day before the Passover" Nisan 14.
"This is a second important clue, because it gives us a solid connection with the ancient Jewish calendar system. Passover always begins on the 14th day of the Jewish lunar month of Nisan. (Nisan 14 is in the Spring, which is why Easter is celebrated then). By Judean tradition, Passover begins at twilight, the dividing line between Nisan 14 and 15 (6).

The first part is true. Passover is Nisan 14. However, it does not begin "at twilight, the dividing line between Nisan 14 and 15, it ends then. Passover begins at twilight the dividing line between Nisan 13 and 14.
"On the Jewish calendar (and on ours) a numbered day of the month may fall on any day of the week. For example, in one year your birthday might fall on Tuesday, in the next year it might fall on Thursday. This "float" among days of the week is why this second clue is so powerful. Putting these two Biblical puzzle pieces together, we see that the crucifixion must have occurred in a year when Nisan 14 happened to fall on a Friday, Preparation Day. That narrows things down considerably.

The Crucifixion had to have been on "the preparation of the passover". John 19:14 says, "And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!" Jesus died about 3 PM on the preparation of the Passover.

"The Year. Ancient non-Biblical historians record that Jesus was condemned to death by Pontius Pilate (7). Pilate was Roman procurator of Judea during the years 26 AD through 36 AD (8). This limits our search for a date to those years. In "Setting the Stage" we found that Jesus was born in 3/2 BC".

I think Jesus was born on the Feast of Trumpets in 5 BC (Julian). The sign of Rev 12 was in the sky on Sept 4, 5 BC (Julian). See the picture of they sky below. Virgo was clothed with the Sun and the new crescent Moon was at her feet, as you can see in this diagram from YourSky. When you go to YourSky, remember that the astronomers add a zero year. Therefore, we have to put in 4 when we want 5.

"And there are also important Biblical clues: the Book of Luke records that Jesus began his public ministry when he "was about 30 years old" (9), and the Book of John records three annual Passovers during Jesus' ministry (10). Taken together, these puzzle pieces add to a crucifixion date in the early 30's, AD. During those years, Nisan 14 fell on a Friday, Preparation Day, twice: on April 7 of 30 AD and April 3 of 33 AD (11)".

The Crucifixion would have been Thursday, April 6, 30 AD (Julian). The 3 days and 3 nights in the heart of the Earth were Thursday (day), Friday (night then day), Saturday (night then day), and Sunday (night).
"Gabriel told Daniel that after the decree to rebuild, there would be "seven sevens" (which is 49), plus "sixty-two sevens" (which is 434). After these 483 years, the Anointed One would be cut off. If the prophecy is true, this would be the year of the crucifixion. "Remember that in ancient times, our modern calendar system was not in use. In other prophetic passages a year of 360 days is used (23). To convert to our modern system which uses the longer solar year, we must divide by the time it takes for Earth to orbit the Sun, which is 365.24 days. This yields 476 years on our calendar (24)".

I think the 360-day year was an estimated year, just as it is today. Years are set by the Sun and Moon, and I dont think they have moved their orbits much since Adam was created. Notice that Noah used estimated time, a 30-day month, until he could see the Sun and Moon. After that, he gave the month and day. "The sun will be turned to darkness and the moon to blood..." The gospels do recount that the sun was darkened on
the day of the crucifixion from noon until 3 in the afternoon (29). Ancient non-Biblical sources confirm this. Phlegon Trallianus records in his history, Olympiades (41): "In the fourth year of the 202nd Olympiad [AD 32-33], a failure of the Sun took place greater than any previously known, and night came on at the sixth hour of the day [noon], so that stars actually appeared in the sky; and a great earthquake took place in Bithynia and overthrew the greater part of Niceaea," obviously not a simple astronomical event. (42) "But what about the bloody moon?...

"The answer to that question fixes the date of the crucifixion with precision. Beyond reasonable doubt, in fact,

because a "blood moon" has a specific meaning. In ancient literature, not only the Bible, it means a lunar eclipse. Why bloody? Because when the moon is in eclipse it is in the Earth's shadow. It receives no direct light from the sun, but is lit only by the dim light refracted and red-shifted by the Earth's atmosphere. The moon in eclipse does glow a dull red, as you know if you have seen it.

"This matters, because with Kepler's equations we can determine exactly when historical eclipses occurred. Perhaps it will not surprise you to learn that only one Passover lunar eclipse was visible from Jerusalem while Pilate was in office (30). It occurred on April 3, 33 AD, the Day of the Cross."... "The gospels tell the chronology. Hammers thudded spikes through Jesus and into the cross at 9 AM (36). He was raised up. At noon and for three hours the sky was darkened"...

"Kepler's equations indicate that the moon rose already in eclipse, already bloody, fulfilling Joel's vision.

Necessarily, this means that the eclipse commenced before moonrise. With software we can look below the horizon and see Earth's shadow begin the eclipse. When we do, we find that at 3 PM, as Jesus was breathing his last on the cross, the moon was going to blood."

I think it is stretching the time of a Total Lunar Eclipse beyond reason. It would have had to last from noon to 3 PM. Lunar eclipses do not last that long. If you have ever seen one, you will know that they just last a few minutes. Also,the darkness started at Noon. I do not agree with this article. Agape, Marilyn Agee mjagee@verizon.net prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com

Hello, John and Doves, In the billions [thousands] of years that the universe has existed, there never has been a "Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD." However, there was a Yom Revii - ( abbr. " =[ ) fourth day" = Wednesday] 14 Nisan 3790, equivalent to our Tuesday-Wednesday 4-5 April 30 AD. However, Daniel 9:24 and the subsequent events of history rule out any date in 30 AD. For details, see the lawyer-approved http://bethlehemstar.net/. You'll see that April 3, 33 AD was, to a moral certainty, the day of the crucifixion. When you pick your jaw up off the floor, drop Five Doves a post. I hope this helps: http://www.aish.com/jl/hol/o/48970511.html. ~Blessings, Mike C.

Marilyn Agee (24 July 2012) "Michael Colunga (21 July 2012) Crucifixion Day From: Marilyn Agee (my previous answer) Hi: > > He could celebrate Passover on what we would call Thursday night, 2 April, 33 AD, and he would still be on time to die as the Passover Lamb for all time at 3 pm, in the evening of 14th Nisan, which was Friday afternoon, 3 April 33 AD. See "Three evenings and three mornings" is exactly equal in meaning to "three days of Jewish reckoning." I think the crucifixion was on Thursday, Nisan 13, 30 AD. On the Feast of Atonement in 27 AD, Jesus announced the coming Jubilee (28 AD) . Luke 4:16 "And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read. Luke 4:17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Isaiah. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written, Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, Luke 4:19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord (i.e., the Jubilee Year, 28 AD). Luke 4:20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. Luke 4:21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." Jesus died about 3 PM on Nisan 13 as the lambs were beginning to be killed at the Temple. They had to be roasted and eaten before midnight, the 6th hour of Nisan 14, Passover. If the lambs were killed Friday afternoon, the firstborn of Israel would have died the previous midnight when they were in Egypt. > > The 14th of Nisan must have been on a Friday, because the day of preparation was the day before the weekly Shabbat, because it is written, "Do not light a fire in any of your dwellings on the Sabbath day." Exodus 35:3 NIV I agree that Nisan 14 was Friday, and Friday is normally the preparation of the Sabbath, but the preparation of the high day, the Annual Sabbath, Passover, was Thursday. John_19:14 says, "And it was the preparation of the Passover". Agape, Marilyn Agee mjagee@verizon.net prophecycorner.theforeverfamily.com