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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 3:01 am EST

Wonder what my fellow PDO's think about this...
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061220/ap_on_re_us/arabic_signs

Thoughts?
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 4:36 am EST

Minor Details.....
According to what I read in National Review this week, these folks are telling a bit less
than the whole story about those poor imams! They were not just yanked off the flight
because they were Muslims.
They were removed for: praying loudly & praising Osama bin Laden prior to boarding
the plane; some of them refused to sit in their assigned seats, adopting the same 2 front, 2
middle, and 2 in the back positioning believed to have been used by the 9/11 hijackers;
and asking for seat belt extensions which they obviously didn't need and didn't use.
Sorry, but I don't see any bigotry here. They were going out of their way to yank
everyone else's chain, and got called on it.......
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 5:51 am EST

I AGREE WITH 2Tap
It is not up to non-Muslim Americans to change for Muslims. It is not up to everyone else
to "understand" them. They must change to be part of the culture. I believe most Muslims
have some of the basic beliefs that separate good from bad. They should reach out to the
American culture to prove that and stop trying to force their beliefs and culture down our
throats. It is divisive to do things like plaster these signs. The radicals that did what they
did on the plane should have been condemned by the entire American Muslim
community. Instead, many in that part of our culture, as well as the social engineers on
the left, have adopted the tactic of "you change while we feed off your fears". I, maybe
alone, will not cower. I do not try to hold anyone back or down and am not guilty of any
transgression against them. They, on the other hand, have not done anything to help their
position in the eyes of other Americans. No, all Muslims are not guilty for the crimes of a
few. However, others associate their language and culture with terrorists because of their
lack of distancing themselves from those that murder in the name of, what I assume is, a
perversion of Islam. Their lack of action is making me doubt that the faith is actually not
promoting violence. I wouldn't except anyone who I expect would commit or promote
violence for any cause. American Muslims are not victims and I will not allow anyone to
convince me they are. Reach out or shut up.
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 5:59 am EST

Lets face it............
All Muslims may not be terrorists, but all terrorists have been Muslims.

If it weren't for guns, we'd be British......

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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 7:24 am EST

re enemy within
Since English is the chosen language of this country everyone coming to this country
should only see signs in English. The country has no official religion however all our
laws and beliefs are based on Christian teachings. They are the laws we abide by not
Muslim or koran teachings
If they want to read signs in Arabic go to the middle east.Slowly but surely we are giving
in to the left and their radical liberal ideas. I truthfully believe we will never be defeated
militarily we will be defeated from within because we do what is politically correct and
look the other way . We need to be ever vigilant to our freedoms and protest putting signs
of any type up anywhere in the U.S.A. other than English regardless of what they say.

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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 9:27 am EST

What ever happened to common sense?
The old saying is "if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck then its probably a duck"
right?

Well here its "if it acts like a terrorist and talks like a terrorist, its probably a terrorist, but
we cant say anything about that because its bigotry." Man please if you act weird on a
plan being black, white, yellow, red, brown, green , purple your butt needs to be yanked
period.

This nation is going down in flames of political correctness. Why cant we say what things
really are. Sometimes peoples feelings are going to get hurt but we are all big people and
should be able to take it.
"Liberty means responsibility." Chris Jones
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 9:35 am EST

RE: Lets face it............
herbstnebel2ss wrote:
All Muslims may not be terrorists, but all terrorists have been Muslims.

If it weren't for guns, we'd be British......

If you continue to think this way, you will be caught off guard. Least you forget Tim
McVeigh and Oklahoma.

You can say something like this ... All Foreign born Terrorists were Radical Islamists.
Not all terrorist were/are Muslims and not all terrorists are foreign.

We have our own home grown brand of creeps, and the terrorists are recruiting them as
well.
Stay vigilante.

-SigRich
George Orwell was 25 years early in his prediction
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 Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 10:02 am EST
RE: RE: Lets face it............
SIGRich wrote:
If you continue to think this way, you will be caught off guard. Least you forget Tim
McVeigh and Oklahoma.

Good point.

In terms of signs ... I agree that English is (and should be legally) the single language of
the United States.

But putting signs up in foreign languages in places that foreigners come to visit is just a
polite thing to do. When you're travelling in a foreign country, especially after you've
been on a flight all day, seeing a sign in your own language is very comforting.

I know we can't cover them all, and English is the single most important language in the
world, but making an effort to be friendly is as much the American way as owning
firearms.
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 10:14 am EST

The enemy within.....
The use of seemingly innocuous signs to slowly indoctrinate the masses to lower their
guard against a sworn enemy, is quid pro quo for Left Liberal agendas. What difference
does it make when a publicly posted sign of a flower means "rose",... or is the code for
"bomb here" or, "this route to bombing targets? Plenty to me! But obviously not much to
the grass eating Liberal puppets!

Islamic Muslim doctrine dictates (from the Qur'an) that ALL faithful (Muslim) is called
to world wide Jihad. NO EXCEPTIONS! Islamic teachings dictates that ALL actions are
correct when furthering the Jihad cause against ALL infidels. Including "lying" to create
an advantage when it is needed for victory! So,...how can ANYONE believe one word
from any of their mouths?
Islamic Jihad teachings (from the Qur'an) dictate that ALL infidels when confronted in
Jihad are to offer "conversion", "slavery with a tax/protection money" or "DEATH"!

No exclusions, no exceptions, no mercy!

The United States of America is ripe for slow indoctrination into submission. The Left
Liberal Socialist program over the past 5 decades has plowed the way for such with a
false sense of guilt from any thoughts of Nationalism or Patriotism. The Jihadist knows
this and is taking advantage!

As to the incident of the Muslim Jihadists thrown off the airplane,....besides all the
praising Allah, besides the seating instigation, the FACT that 5 of the 6 immediately
started negotiations with the airline for out of court settlements tells all! Now they want
to use Liberalism mind set to extract money to further their Jihad cause of a world wide
Islamic State.

There is no negotiating with faithful followers of Islam. They have sworn to their death to
eliminate all infidels from the earth. This has been going on since the fall of the Ottoman
Empire! They will not stop as long as their is breathe in the last one standing, from their
indoctrination from childhood.

According to reports from the Mexico / USA border,...over 100,000 border violators a
month are considered NON MEXICAN. This has been going on ever since 9/11. How
many hundreds of thousands of these infiltrators are Jihadists, only our Government
offices can really say. And they WON'T!!

America is going heading towards a rude awakening.

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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 10:37 am EST

Why not renounce and condem terrorism?
People would probably feel more comfortable with their Muslim neighbors if said
Muslims would publicly renounce and condemn terrorist acts. Do you hear a loud roar of
such condemnations? No. Several reasons why. Some undoubtedly tacitly support the
terrorist cause. Others, even if they would be inclined to denounce terrorism, know they
would become the target of pressure, ridicule and even terrorist acts of violence, should
they take such a public position against jihad. For the "religion of peace" it would seem
that taking a public stand in support of peace simply brings them violence.
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 10:54 am EST

RE: Why not renounce and condem terrorism?
markand10 wrote:
People would probably feel more comfortable with their Muslim neighbors if said
Muslims would publicly renounce and condemn terrorist acts. Do you hear a loud roar of
such condemnations? No. Several reasons why. Some undoubtedly tacitly support the
terrorist cause. Others, even if they would be inclined to denounce terrorism, know they
would become the target of pressure, ridicule and even terrorist acts of violence, should
they take such a public position against jihad. For the "religion of peace" it would seem
that taking a public stand in support of peace simply brings them violence.

Very well said. If those who are paying for these ads wanted to accomplish something for
good, have them put up signs in Arabic rejecting terrorism, telling Muslims that radical
imams are duping the masses, that violence in the name of Islam is violence against
Islam, etc.
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 10:55 am EST

Conditioning....
This is called conditioning and could set the public up for a big surprise. I don't believe
the ones doing this mean any harm but, in the long run, it could actually benefit terrorists.
Once the public gets used to seeing Arabic, messages could then conceivably be sent in
that manner. Not all Muslims are terrorists and not all terrorists are Muslim. Remember
the Oklahoma City bombing for one.
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 2:02 pm EST

Musliams
The problem with Muslims and their religion is that the Koran teaches that anyone not a
Muslim is an infidel and worthy of death. Their religion also teaches that the only way
the can be certain of going to their heaven is by becoming a martyr, so it is no wonder
they do not mind blowing themselves up. some of them may be ignorant to this fact just
as not every one that calls themselves Christian know what the bible teaches. Never the
less the Muslim religion is not a "peaceful religion."
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 3:23 pm EST

Just my 2 cents...
Any religion that must rely on coercion for converts rather than leading by living an
exemplary life is not worth anything in my book. I refuse to believe any God really wants
us to kill other than in direct self-defense of our lives. Period. That's why I carry and try
to avoid trouble rather than cause it.
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 4:11 pm EST

Here's a case for reciprocity.
What do you suppose the response would be if a group of Roman Catholics went to Saudi
Arabia and made reciprocal demands there? I'm all for turning the other cheek and
making foreigners feel comfortable in the United States, but they shouldn't be asking for
concessions not granted English-speaking Americans who travel to the Mideast.

When Americans travel to Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iran, etc., we're forced to follow their
laws, their customs, and not incite trouble. Muslims (even homegrown ones) should
expect no less, and certainly no more, when they are on US soil.

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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 5:36 pm EST

RE: Musliams
each wrote:
The problem with Muslims and their religion is that the Koran teaches that anyone not a
Muslim is an infidel and worthy of death. Their religion also teaches that the only way
the can be certain of going to their heaven is by becoming a martyr, so it is no wonder
they do not mind blowing themselves up. some of them may be ignorant to this fact just
as not every one that calls themselves Christian know what the bible teaches. Never the
less the Muslim religion is not a "peaceful religion."
I don't know where you got your information from, but wishing to know my "enemy" I
actually read the Koran and it doesn't teach violence. Extremists take bits and pieces to
make it say what they want and use that as their reasoning for their actions. Many
Christian offshoots do the same thing to the Bible, Waco is one example. To hate
someone because of their religion is the same as being hated because you carry a gun.
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Posted Dec 21, 2006 @ 11:34 pm EST

au contraire.........
the koran teaches that there are three things a muslim is to do when he meets a non
muslim..
he must convert him.
if he can not convert him, he will take the non muslim as his servant/slave.
if the non muslim does not submit to slavery, the muslim must kill him.

that is in the koran.

convert, enslave, or murder.