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damien
Posted Sep 19, 2006 @ 2:23 pm
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Send mail: Gun Clauses in Rental Agreements
- packingEmail Let me say I was a good boy and searched first on this and there is no
threads except one about public housing.
"I've been carrying in Seattle for several months. The only problem I had
was when I interacted with my landlord, who tried to have me evicted
because of it. But since her parenting company not only permits it, but
includes regulations for firearms in their lease agreement, she couldn't do
it. "
(good thing she is getting parenting, she should get some analysis also for
her hoplophobia.)
Having such a clause also makes it more probable that your premises will
be attacked. You are less safe than in another location. It doesn't take the
bad guys long to figure out where they can be safer as they commit their
crimes. This is exactly why no school should ban firearms. Once you do,
that's exactly where the killers show up.
And you'll be the one getting sued by your landlord if you ever have to
defend your life. And the courts will probably be on his side because of
that clause.
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damien
Posted Sep 19, 2006 @ 3:16 pm
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- packingEmail I'm more interested if anyone has a restrictive clause in their rental
agreements. Figuring out if it is enforcable is more than I am willing to
think about.
I am surprised that the first response says that guns are not allowed in the
poster's agreement. I wonder how common this is. This is the USA after
all, and I would think that it would not be very common at all. How many
others have a similar restriction?
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BigDaddy5
Posted Sep 20, 2006 @ 2:13 am
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Heh, I saw this thread, and thought I'd chime in my experience in a little
more detail...
So, my former landlord's company required all residents to register their
weapons with the front desk. I, being a responsible gun owner, was
pleased that I had at least landed a company wasn't anti-gun in the heart
of Seattle.
Well, she asked for the proof of ownership, so I gave her the receipt.
Then she asked for my "gun license." I explained to her multiple times
that owning a firearm doesn't require a license in the United States. After
trying calmly to explain, I produced my CHL. She photocopied
everything, then examined my weapon's case.
mhawk grabbed a lot of the paperwork out of my file for me, after he told
me what he saw. I didn't want to leave there with my CHL and seriel #'s
on file.
I have to say, after this experience, I think I'm just gonna keep my mouth
shut about this. I'm now moving to Eastern Washington, so a little less
gunaphobic, but even still, you never know.
Honestly, one of the only reasons I registered my handgun with them was
because one of the roommates I was living with was a total douchebag,
and would have ratted me out if he knew I had a weapon that was
unregistered with them. Turns out, he never knew I had one, even after I
open carried in a military issue holster, and a kydex paddle holster, in
front of him. Oh, well, hindsight...
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jaeroo
Posted Sep 20, 2006 @ 3:41 am
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- packingEmail I never ever saw any clause about firearms ownership in all my years of
renting an apartment. All they did was check my background, especially
my criminal record and my current occupation
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Gray Fox
Posted Sep 20, 2006 @ 5:36 am
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- internet One of my friends is facing living in a "gun free" rental house that's in the
- packingEmail lease agreement. Of course, I find out about this a WEEK before they
were going to move in, and they've already signed the lease agreement for
6 months. Ugh. I was mad as hell. Of course they are on their last ropes
and they had this hail mary house come across with this as the ONLY
problem, so they don't view it as a problem. Grrr.
Months later, I was getting my mail, when one of the security guards
approached me. He wasn't really rude about anything, but told me that I
would need to get a written statement from the property manager
allowing my carrying. I told him that, I would talk to her about it but not
expect me to stop carrying if she didn't give consent. The manager pretty
much said her position will not allow her to sign such a document for
liability reasons, but as long as I didn't cause trouble, what she didn't
know wouldn't hurt her.
The next week I spoke with the supervisor of the security group and he,
already knowing me, had absolutely no problems with my carrying. He
more or less believes that I might come in handy if there is ever a shoot
out involving them and I am armed to offer assistance.
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230rn
Posted Sep 24, 2006 @ 11:01 am
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Well, darn it, now I had to go and get my glasses to check out my own
lease.
I've only got a spotty re-re-re-copied version of it right now, but it looks
like I'm OK. There's a clause in it about observing all local PD, Fire, and
Municipal laws, either now in effect or enacted in future, and there's the
usual "nuisance clause," but nothing explicitly related to firearms. I
reckon if I fired a thirty--ought-six out my front door, I'd be in trouble.
It does talk about storing inflammables and the like, but I'm not sure what
that means --everybody's got charcoal starter and propane tanks, with no
reaction from the managers. It talks about not driving nails into the wall,
but the manager has all kinds of stuff hung from his wall --presumably
they're magnetically suspended to avoid nails.
This is a standard lease form, available from most office supply stores,
but I decline to mention the company which printed them or the form
number.
The upshot, I guess, is if you legally own firearms, any "anti-" clauses are
there more for moral suasion than anything else, and just provides an
avenue for eviction if necessary. That's the "flavor" of the rest of the
boiler-plate restrictions.
I'm pretty circumspect about toting firearms anyhow, and only one trusted
person in the whole complex knows I have some. I even stick my long
arms in a curtain rod box to transport them out to the car, and I usually do
this in the dead of the night before I go to the range.
I got only one comment about how heavy my range bag looked (a big
leather traveling bag with five boxes of assorted ammo, plus guns) once
when I slung it over my shoulder and ventured out to my car.
I just told them it was full of some books I was giving to the library.
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