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Who is Wayne Elise aka "Juggler"?
Or, more specifically, what are these post archives about and what do they have to do with his involvement with the "Seduction Community"? Wayne Elise, aka Juggler, was one of the main characters in the best-selling book The Game: Penetrating the Secret Society of Pickup Artists, released in 2005. He also wrote a chapter in that book, but was a member of the seduction community long before that, going back as far as 2001 when he was first written about in the New York Times. Juggler turned his interpersonal skills that he developed as a professional comedian and street busker into teaching men to be more successful with women, and he was one of the first people aside from Mystery to teach in-field workshops through his company Charisma Arts (previously known as Charisma Sciences or Charisma Sciences Institute). What a lot of people dont know is theres a huge amount of wisdom from Juggler chronicled in his posts on the mASF Forum on FastSeduction.com. In fact, the mASF Forum was literally the only place Juggler was posting for the first 2 years when he was making a name for himself and was a large part of the reason he became well known in the seduction community. Juggler was also one of the only major seduction gurus to speak for free at the 2004 Austin Seduction Summit, which was a free community event organized by the Austin Lair and FastSeduction.com, one of many official free Summits promoted through FastSeduction.com. Juggler has also appeared as host of a channel four UK program called Seduction School and has traveled the world teaching men the art of seduction. To find other archives of posts from people such as Style, Mystery, and TylerDurden, all major personalities from The Game, all of whom gained their initial broad notoriety from the community on FastSeduction.com, check our other archives . You can also find new and influential members of the community using our searchable post archive containing well over half a million posts, or join our very active forum.
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Re: Ugly chicks / Post 181
Re: Ugly chicks / Post 181
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Post Date: January 20th, 2002 10:43:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
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Great points FinalD. Your analysis is once again thoughtful and useful. Next Level, you should realize that a master of human interaction does not have to act in an insulting way to a girl just because she is not attractive to him. That is childish and will demonstrate that you do not know how to maneuver through the world with grace and class. If you try to be more interested in learning here, instead of flaming, someday your game will be really good. When that time comes, you will begin to want to demonstrate class to all girls. When you get to the point where seducing women is not such a battle but an easy and enjoyable enterprise you will branch out and want to share your abilities to do more than just get sex. You will have such a capacity to lighten and interest people that you will be amazed on how your presence has an effect on a room. On everybody. You will only reach this level when you have decided to always operate from a position of class. Now, as far as the rating of chicks is concerned. It may be fun but it is not very useful. Instead of handing out numbers, look at the circumstances of the girl you want. How many people are vying for her attention? How does she carry herself? Is she in a group? Are her friends differing to her? Is she sitting or standing? Is she wearing clothes to garner attention, etc.. Think about these things which are much more relevant than how her general attractiveness rates. -Juggler
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How to close when chicks boss is around?? / Post 182
How to close when chicks boss is around?? / Post 182
Subject: How to close when chicks boss is around?? // view thread online
Post Date: January 21st, 2002 08:05:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Consider that closing in front of the boss will make you look real confident. Also read FormHandles post on g-closing. You may be hung up on getting her number as if it is a big deal. Instead, try to attract her strongly and focus on making plans to do something together. The numbers should be almost an afterthought. -Juggler
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The 101 Primer / Post 183
The 101 Primer / Post 183
Subject: The 101 Primer // view thread online

Post Date: January 22nd, 2002 10:24:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Hey Rio, Good post. I remember reading up on your 101 theory sometime ago and it amazed me in that I was doing this kind of thing without breaking it down and defining it as you have. But after reading your stuff I began consciously using 101 theory and my effectiveness shot up. I also agree with FinalD and try to be consistently inconsistent. I vary many of my emotions and expressions as a way of constantly 101ing. Although sometimes it feels like 10011101010100011110101010 I like mixing it up so the pattern is even less predictable. As a side note, I have mentioned I am in the entertainment business. My show is basically built on 101 theory. It works well for manipulating audiences as well. I hope everyone in this group reads Rios post here. In my opinion it is the most powerful stuff you will ever use in seduction. -Juggler
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I didnt hear a fucking word you said / Post 184
I didnt hear a fucking word you said / Post 184
Subject: I didnt hear a fucking word you said // view thread online
Post Date: January 22nd, 2002 04:06:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
If you have the right attitude you may want to try: Her: "I have a boyfriend." You: "Significants are such a problem sometimes arent they? My girlfriend is nice but she can be way to needy. I mean I cant be with her 24 hours a day. Do you think I should let her go? ...What is your boyfriend like? We could fix up your boyfriend with my girlfriend. hahaha I wonder if that has ever been done. Maybe in a movie. Anyway, Im going to try that new pub tommorow. If you are real nice Ill let you go with me..." -Juggler
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AFC question... / Post 185
AFC question... / Post 185
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Post Date: January 27th, 2002 12:43:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Buying her a coffee is not a big deal. Each of you buying your own is also exceptable. However, you are missing an opportunity if you dont get HER to buy YOU a coffee. She will value you more if she spends energy and resources on you. -Juggler
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Tao of Steve / Post 186
Subject: Tao of Steve // view thread online

Seems like once a month this movie starts a thread, so I finally had to see the thing. I got to tell you I was not that impressed. I can see how it would be eye opening for an AFC to see that there are alternative ways to get girls from what they have been doing. But this movie misses the mark. Number 3 on that list is fine. But numbers 1 & 2 suck. #1 Eliminate desire and approach If you truly have no desire then you will only get what randomly comes to you. You have no rudder. Many guys try this desireless approach and find they indeed have less anxiety when approaching girls. The problem is, they end up getting no sex. They have no ability to control the direction of the interaction. The real challenge is to overcome your nerves, approach WITH a desired outcome in mind and still do well. It is like baseball. If you are at bat in the World Series in the bottom of the ninth, bases loaded, two out and your team is down by three runs, the answer is not to be desireless. You want to get a hit. The answer is dealing with your anxiety, and doing well under pressure. If you need a rule of thumb, use: APPEAR to have less desire for her then she has for you. #2 Show that youre excellent at something Dont waste time showing you are excellent at fixing motorcycles or something. Be excellent at putting girls in a mood for fun and sex. Juggler
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How do I use my sexual power? / Post 187
How do I use my sexual power? / Post 187
Subject: How do I use my sexual power? // view thread online

Might be fun to use your sexiness to get attention and stuff but that should not take much figuring out. Just flirt. On a more interesting note, you may not realize this now, because you are only 19, but what is alot more fun and long-lasting is developing your skills at human interaction. Forget your looks, concentrate on developing your conversational skills and ability to make people smile based on your words and expressions. When girls AND guys get good at this, they will be surprised at how much freebies, and consideration they will receive everywhere from both sexes, all ages, etc... Be like Godzilla - your charm should leave astonished devastation wherever you go. -Juggler
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extracting target from mutual friends / Post 188
Subject: extracting target from mutual friends // view thread online

Post Date: January 27th, 2002 07:21:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Forget EVing her. She should be EVing you. You are thinking about getting her values and then matching them and feeding them back. Dont do this. Talk about your values and let her match them to get with you. She should be chasing you. Stop asking so many questions. Make statements. Talk about your values and the girls in the group will be battling for your attention. -Juggler
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jumping into conversations / Post 189
jumping into conversations / Post 189
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Either jump right in unapollagetically or use facial expressions to get her attention. -Juggler
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Chicks Eager for #s but Dont Call / Post 190
Chicks Eager for #s but Dont Call / Post 190
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If it is a girl you like, get her number and give her your email. A girl has a much easier time emailing then making a phone call. This way she has the ability to contact you and you can either email her back or call her on the phone. -Juggler
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Another Question (On Topic This Time) / Post 191
Another Question (On Topic This Time) / Post 191
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Post Date: January 28th, 2002 08:00:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
It can feel like, the point of no return for a girl to remove her panties. The thing to do is to push the panties aside and rub her and really get her going. And the panties being on do not prevent penetration if you can push them aside. But she will probably just take them off herself well before that point, once she sees that they are just an annoyance to her pleasure. -Juggler
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Subject: extracting target from mutual friends // view thread online

Thanks for asking Persev01. Actually, I will get around to posting about this soon. Maybe tonight. But I will begin a separate thread. -Juggler
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Re: Tao of Steve / Post 193
Subject: Re: Tao of Steve // view thread online

I dont know. Maybe this is a metaphysical debate. I can see your point from one perspective. A PUA does not want to be needy. And yes, most of my group openers are non-sexual. However, when I see a very attractive girl, I devise to get her into bed. I am not desireless. I am just hiding my initial desire from her. Maybe you could take a broader view and say you only want to please women and thus, your plan to get her into bed is for her and not about your desires. I dont know... Maybe this is an East vs. West kind of thing but I believe in establishing goals and having a plan to achieve them. But that does not mean I come across like I have an agenda or want anything from her. If you seen me sarging, even you, Toecutter, would be hard pressed to think that I am trying to get a girl. Typically what you would see is a group of girls around me, asking me all kinds of questions. This is the dynamic I set up. It appears to them and to the onlooker as though I have no desire for any of these girls and all the desire is coming from them. Well, it takes alot of work to make it seem so. But, it in fact only seems so. In truth I am manipulating and directing things so I end up with the girl I want. It is like being a comic on stage. You want to appear to not want or need laughs - that is part of having a strong stage presence. But believe me, comics want the audience to laugh. You put in hours of work to make people laugh and to make it seem like you dont care either way. Now, I could write a movie about being a stand-up, call it the Tao of Juggler or whatever. I could sell this character as not caring if people laugh. I could make him seem real successful with this approach. And many people would then believe that the secret to a great stage performance is not caring one way or the other. People would be susceptible to believing that because they have gone to comedy clubs and it sure seemed like the comic didnt have a care in the world. I could sell that movie. But if anybody tried to actually become a professional comic I would advice them not to take my movie seriously. I would advice them to have a desire. To have goals and to make a plan. But then again, maybe it is a part of living in western culture. Maybe we are too results oriented. But I still think the best way to get to a girl into bed is to want to get her there.
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Now as far as the other point. Maybe the original poster typed it incorrectly. If it is indeed be excellent, then I could give that a nod. -Juggler
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Advice: flake or not? / Post 194
Advice: flake or not? / Post 194
Subject: Advice: flake or not? // view thread online

What was wrong with the brother? Did he just get diagnosed with cancer? If it was truly something serious you maybe should have been sympathetic and let her go. If it was not serious you still should have been sympathetic. That is irony and would have been funny. You: "What happened to your brother?" Her: "He didnt make the cut for little league." You: "That is terrible. Is he there? Put him on I know just what to say." Her: "What would you say to him?" You: "I would tell him to forget about baseball, grow his hair long and become a musician." Get her laughing, get her wanting more, then cut her off, "I got to go. But I tell you what, if you promise to be nice I will call you tommorow." Of course you may not even need to bring up contacting her again. If you do a good job of re-attracting her then she may ask for you to get together or for you to call her. If she does, the same rule applies: Get something in return. Haggle. This can be great fun, by the way. See, she dissed you. Your first priority is to re-attract. You second is to re-establish the dynamic in her mind that you are a valuable and desireable man. You do this by placing a value on something - even if it is only insisting that she be nice to you. Also see my post in response to HB call soon - do I bust her balls? -Juggler
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Re: HB call soon - do i bust balls? / Post 195
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Good job Sebastian. Your #2 sounded kind of like a #3 in that it was entertaining. Anyway, I also would recommend that you re-establish the proper dynamic of you being valuable. As soon as she wants something from you, put a value on it. Get her in the habit of trading for your time, ideas and anything that she wants. Doesnt matter if these things are of real value. it doesnt even matter too much if you ever receive anything. It is the dynamic which counts. It is the fact that she knows you put value on yourself and your ideas. For Example: You: "I think everyone should have a codename. Yours will be Rudolf. Mine will be Wolverine." Her: "I dont want to be Rudolf." You: "You have to do something worthy to deserve a cool codename. I tell you what, if you give me a good backrub Ill give you a good codename." Her: "Im not going to rub your back for a silly old name." You: "With that attitude your going to be stuck with Rudolf for awhile." Her: "Youre silly." You: "I know. I make silly, sexy." Okay, no commodities exchanged hands and it is a pretty silly exchange but your attitude has been conveyed. You are a guy who puts value on things in your life. She will subconsciously realize that if you can value silly codenames then you must really value something more serious, like your time. And the only reason you would value the things in your life is because you are a precious and valuable guy. Thus she will want you more. Try putting price tags on somethings in your life which you may have considered unpricable. Oh, and of course, if you do actually make a deal then make sure she gives you a quality rub - dont be too easy of a customer. Then give her a good codename, like SugarFingers.
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Subject: Re: Tao of Steve // view thread online

(snip) >I dont question that for a >second. I like what you post. >You are one of the >posters that I always download >and read when I see your name. And vice versa. (snip) > You need to move into >an autopilot for the details >so you can think >about the strategy, and even a >lot of that is autopilot. A >state of balance. I like that Toecutter. Agreed. (snip) >A beautiful state where you >are cool but effortless. Not >think, just do. See >and react. For the most part I try to act and let the GIRL react, but I know what you are sayng here. (snip) > Like driving a car. >I no longer need to think, >"OK, depress >clutch to ground. I feel it is >as far as it will go. Hand on >gear shift. >First gear is top left corner. >Is it in gear? Check. Okay, >push lightly on >throttle, and listen for >engine noise, no a little >harder, the engine is not >revving hard enough. Okay that >is about right. Now let left
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>foot off clutch. >It is starting to engage, >slowly now, and push throttle >a little harder with >the right foot as I continue >to lift the left off the >clutch. Okay I am >moving ..." because it is >autoresponse. My mind when I >am driving is on >"Okay, should I take Main St, >or should I cut across 5th >avenue to >Jefferson?". Good metaphor. Now that I see which angle you are coming from I think we are pretty much in agreement. You seem to be talking about freeing the mind, to work on a more stategic level. That is a good idea. -Juggler
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OT Email Virus / Post 197
OT Email Virus / Post 197
Subject: OT Email Virus // view thread online

I received an email today with an exe which I not very smartly opened. Of course it was a virus. %$^#&*@! The thing that makes it relevant to this group is the subject line contaied the name of Mystery, Rio, AlphaHot and a few others. I opened it because I was expecting something from Mystery. Just saw his name in the heading so I double clicked it. Anyway, it went through my hard drive in a flash and copied all my jpgs and emails and tried to upload them somewhere. This is the first time I have been thankful I have a slow dial-up connection. Anyway, I dont know if I was targeted personally or others on this group were as well. I know most guys on this group know better than to open an unusual exe but i just wanted to send a warning. The file was called sample.exe. -Juggler
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OT Email Fun / Post 198
OT Email Fun / Post 198
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Hey Jay, Not sure what you mean by mail headers. I am RAFC as far as computers go. I sent you a copy of the email without the files. But that probably is useless. Anyway, thanks for the input. -Juggler
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Subject: Tao of Steve // view thread online

Good point Next Level. There is definetly a balance that you have to find between the two in order to be effective. -Juggler
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LTR screening from HB?? / Post 201
LTR screening from HB?? / Post 201
Subject: LTR screening from HB?? // view thread online

Set-up the dynamic where she can work for a possible relationship. Dont give her an answer one way or the other. Make it look like it will depend on her behavior. "Lets see how things work out." "I dont know. Lets see how good you can be to me" Etc... -Juggler
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school/work seductions / Post 202
school/work seductions / Post 202
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School - Yes Just establish the reputation that the girls chase you and not the other way around. Work - No -Juggler
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Communicating that youre qualifying them - Ideas needed / Post 203
Subject: Communicating that youre qualifying them - Ideas needed // view thread online
Post Date: January 31st, 2002 02:38:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Most guys work this backwards. In general, with women you just met, you want to make statements. Avoid asking many questions. The exception are questions which you ask for screening purposes. These are tests which you make up for her to try to pass. This accomplishes a few things. It shows you have distinguishing taste. It tells her that she will have to have more than just a great body to get with you and it puts her in the proper dynamic of working to garner your affections. You can be direct or subtle. But either way they should be difficult even to the point where she can not answer. That is right - have her fail some test questions. The questions should require work on her part either because they require imagination, a sense of humor or just plain stretching her values to meet yours. Here are a few examples and follow ups: 1."If you could spend your life doing one thing, what would it be?" She will probably say something lame. You follow up by telling her about your passion in life. You give her an example to try to live up to and demonstrate how well spoken and thoughtful, passionate about your own life you are. 2."I like a woman who can cook well. What is your best dish?" Wether she comes up with something or not you tell her your favorite is whatever. Mine happens to be lasagna. So I tell girls how much I like all the gooey cheese and noodles, etc.. If she doesnt enjoy and like to talk about food I usually walk away. I love eating. 3. "If we were a couple and I wanted to hang out with my friends to 2 am. How would you feel about that?" Here you are point blank telling her the treatment you expect and holding a hoop for her to jump through. If you end up having a LTR with her, she will remember that she agreed not to complain when you stay out late.
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Of course, make up your own questions based on what you like from a girl. But just make sure they are not too easy and that they are interestingly creative questions. -Juggler
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Rapport building - Tony Robbins / Post 204
Rapport building - Tony Robbins / Post 204
Subject: Rapport building - Tony Robbins // view thread online

Post Date: January 31st, 2002 07:29:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Forget mirroring. Forget matching her tone. Girls are typically worried, scared and inhibited. You do not want to be any of those things. This mirroring stuff may work for getting the boss to like you so you get a raise. But it is not what you want to do for seduction. Girls want to be with someone better then them. Show how much better you are. Be interesting and let your body language reinforce your words. This is what you do with your body: On approach: Hands down to the side. Head high and sly smile. When in with a girl: Open posture. Hands reinforcing your words with slow, seductive, broad gestures. Kinoing. Closing and SOIing: Intimately close. Hands kinoing. Mirroring is what she is supposed to do to you. Not the other way around. Be a Leader. -Juggler
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Silencing strong opinions/beliefs/feelings, etc. / Post 205
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Post Date: February 1st, 2002 08:48:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Sounds like you are passionate about many things in life. Instead of feeling that it is a handicap when sarging, consider that it may be a strength. We humans are all attracted to passionate people. You just need to harness it into productivity. You are just the sort of person who would feel natural using juggler method of not asking values of girls and then feeding them back to her but instead gettting her to ask and accept your values. Here is what to do. When in with a girl or group of girls talk about YOUR values. You would be great at this. Just be sure to make it constructive. Do it in a way where you can phrase everything in a positive way. Always end with a solution or an alternative to anything you dislike. This will let girls know that there is a path they can follow to match your values. See, many guys into seduction think they have to match a girls values. That is not true. Values have to be matched but it should go the other way. Guys just dont know how to give a girl an easy path to do that. So give them your values and show them how they can make the leap from their own to yours. You do this by talking in a way which offers constructive, positive paths follow. For example: Say, "It makes me angry when wild animals are caged for peoples amusement. They should be as free as possible. I like the idea of getting away from zoos and towards open refuges. I have contacts in this great refuge. I send them twenty dollars every month." Now a girl can see a way to please you. You have given her an actual action she can take to please you. Girls like this sort of thing. She knows she can give you twenty dollars and you will forward it to a good cause. State what you are for. Try to be as constructive as possible with your passions. And give her a way to please your values. Here are more examples: "I like spending time with my neices and playing like I am six years old. Do you have any neices or nephews?"
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Here you give her a chance to tell you how she also likes playing with kids and using hr imagination. "I like girls who like to kiss." Pretty obvious how she can match this value. You can think up many more. Just decide what you want in a girl and in life and convey these things in a positive and constructive way which she and everyone around you can imagine themselves being able to do. Show them the path to doing what you would like them too. -Juggler
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Put a price on yourself / Post 207
Subject: Put a price on yourself // view thread online

Post Date: February 7th, 2002 10:02:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
There is a lot of talk on this board about routines and stories, etc. These are all ways of demonstrating your worth. But consider there is also another way. And that is to put a price on yourself. Of course it is impractical to wear a price sticker around on your forehead. So how you do this, is by putting prices on aspects of your personality. For instance, if a girl/group gets wind of what I do for a living they will ask me to tell a joke. Well, I dont entertain anybody for free. So I ask what they are going to do for me. They ask me what I want. I tell the girl I want a back rub. If she gives me one, I tell a joke. If she doesnt, I dont tell the joke. If she starts to give me a lame rub then I tell her to rub in specific ways or I wont tell the joke. After the joke, of course I turn her around and rub her back or sometimes I keep her rubbing and then I get another girl and rub her back. I have gotten whole back rub circles going in clubs before. You can do this in many situations. Even in silly ways. A girl asked me what kind of car I drove. I told her I could not tell her. I would have to show her and I could not do that even until she decided she was going to be nice to me. She asked me how she was supposed to be nice to me. I told her she would have to describe how beautiful my hands were. Well she did indeed do just that, although in a half-sarcastic tone (I do have nice hands, by the way - use lotion after every hand wash) Anyway, I take her out and show her my Neon. Ha! "The point is, just look at that excellent wash and wax I put on today." Of course, we then got in and smooched. Now sometimes the girl is just not willing to pay the price. That is where you hold firm and do not just give it to her. Because, if you just give in and give it to her free then she will not value you. Better if you stick to your price. Even if you really want to give it to her free. For instance, say you tell her you are taking a masseuse class and she wants a sample. And lets say you tell her she has to buy you a drink first. If she doesnt do that then you do not massage her. Even though, you probably want to. Stick to your guns on that and you will set yourself apart from the other guys for sure. It is like walking into a car dealers show room and seeing a bright red convertible. You read the sticker and it is much more than you can afford. In your mind that car has only gained in value because you cannot afford it. Anyway, if a girl asks you for anything, consider trading for it as a means of insisting on your value. Also consider building routines around the idea of selling your thoughts. As you talk, tell her you cannot talk about a certain subject. Let her want it and ask for it and then trade for it, "I tell you
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what. You tell me an intimate sexy secret and if it is juicy enough then Ill tell you what you want to know." It is also worth mentioning that you must make sure that what you are trading for is of real value to you and not something like her phone number or anything lame like that. The proper attitude also includes demonstrating that you are the kind of guy who unabashedly indulges himself and she is allowed to buy a path into your graces by giving you what you want. -Juggler
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Opinion... / Post 208
Opinion... / Post 208
Subject: Opinion... // view thread online

Good post Mike. As far as what is AFC or not it depends alot on the guy and the situation which is very difficult to convey in text. So guys should be a little more open minded. Of course, posters who are looking for advice should try to be a smarter about providing us with the relevant details so we know they are not just doing AFC stuff. As far as being a jerk, it is not neccesary or even preferable to be an uncaring jerk. This is an easy way out for many guys which seems to be promulgated lately. This is a mistake. Yes, you will get laid with that attitude but you will never know what can be accomplished with combining tough with a warm side. Of course there are times when you need to do take aways, and neg and all that stuff. But personally, I like to do all kinds of cheesy lovey stuff for my girlfriends. I wrote this picture poem just the other day for one of my girls. Spent hours on it. Now many guys here might call me an AFC for that. -Juggler
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Statement of Intent: be the new me / Post 209
Statement of Intent: be the new me / Post 209
Subject: Statement of Intent: be the new me // view thread online

Post Date: February 7th, 2002 01:51:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Good Luck FinalD Im sure you will do well. I look forward to reading your posts on this project. -Juggler
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Re: Phone Sarging Advice / Post 210
Subject: Re: Phone Sarging Advice // view thread online

>But, I am >at a loss regarding how to >initiate a physical connection on the >phone. Come to think of it, this >advice could definitely help my >off-phone game too. Well, everybodys game is a little different. but maybe if I explained how I like to handle this it might give you some clues as to waht will work for you. My way of approaching this begins right from the initial conversation. I come across as a guy who likes physical stuff. I talk about my favorite foods, how important it is for girls I know to be able to give a good back rub, etc.. From there it is an easy step to talking about sex. It is very congruent with my personality. I make it clear at all times that I enjoy physical attention from girls and try to get them giving me physical attetnion (reverse kino) almost from the momnet I meet them. This lets them know that they can get in my good graces by touching me. One of the things I like to say to a girl on the phone almost immediately is, (dropping my tone) "What are you wearing?" This always gets a laugh and they always desscribe what they are wearing. Then I will tell her I am wearing my glow in the dark holloween skeleton underwear. i go on about how cool they are and then tell them how they will never get to appreciate them cause I am not that kind of guy. Well, at least not unless she brings me a pizza when she comes over, etc.. Then I might ask her when she is coming over becuase I need a massage of my muscles after my workout. Never be afraid to paint a picture and propose a sexy idea. Just never sound disapointed if she does not verbally take you up on the offer. Just laugh when she says she cant do that. I wish I could be more descriptive here. It is a kind of attitude which permeates all that you do. ^@%$*@! I hate the limitations of text. Let me know what happens. -Juggler
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rAFC seeks advice on becoming a PUA / Post 211
rAFC seeks advice on becoming a PUA / Post 211
Subject: rAFC seeks advice on becoming a PUA // view thread online

Hi Rick, Your post is just the sort of thing which has made me consider giving my own workshops. There is so much I would like to teach a motivated guy like you but it is frustrating dealing with the limitations of text. Where do you live Rick? You may want to check the PAIR service on this site and go out with a PUA. -Juggler
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Asf faq-style #close / Post 212
Asf faq-style #close / Post 212
Subject: Asf faq-style #close // view thread online

Post Date: February 8th, 2002 01:00:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Dont mention the bad number. You: "Sorry I never called. Its a long story, but this other girl I was seeing found your number and ripped it up. Anyway, if you give me a kiss on the cheek, Ill let you forgive me. ha ha ha By the way, when are you going to take me out and buy me dinner?" -Juggler
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Why do girls DO... / Post 213
Why do girls DO... / Post 213
Subject: Why do girls DO... // view thread online

Dont know if it means anything or not. But what a good subject for conversation with a girl! Bring this topic up the next time you are sarging. -Juggler
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Making her Feel Good / Post 214
Making her Feel Good / Post 214
Subject: Making her Feel Good // view thread online

>However, Im not sure I >understand this fully. What >does it mean to make her feel >good? In what way? How would I >make her feel good? Make her feel good about being with you. Resist the temptation to try to be entertaining. Instead be interesting. Show a range and depth to your expressions. Design all routines around the concept of showing your humanity. Lead her values. -Juggler
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David Shades Manual? / Post 215
David Shades Manual? / Post 215
Subject: David Shades Manual? // view thread online

I dont have the book. I got something better. I got David as a wing. And all I can tell you is that he sure is cheap. Hahaha, Just kidding David. Seriously, even though our styles are very different, (I am not an NLP guy) I can tell you that he knows his stuff. He and his girlfriend and I talk about sex techniques everytime we have dinner together and I always come away fascinated and eager to try something new on a girlfriend. I have also heard some people who like NLP say they wish they would have just bought Davids book instead of spending lots of bucks on all of Rosss stuff. -Juggler
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Re: Put a price on yourself / Post 216
Re: Put a price on yourself / Post 216
Subject: Re: Put a price on yourself // view thread online

Thanks Chris. I like the frame you take from your ex-girlfriends attitude. -Juggler
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Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 217
Subject: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited // view thread online

Ill admit I got to the emotional vs. unemotional thread a little late. But here are some thoughts on the subject. The rule of contrasts is at work. That is why the unemotional character may get you some limited success. If you are someplace where all the guys are smiling and being pleasant to the cute girls then your unemotional character will standout and make you initially interesting. And also, for some types of girls this character can be a continual neg, which they will forever work on overcoming. Great, but I dont think you should limit yourself to one type of girl/situation. And this path usually means you will have to continually up the ante by using negs and stronger and stronger negs in order to continually contrast and losing your effectiveness after a change of venue where you do not have a situation where your inexpressiveness is a contrast. Also consider that what you are doing may not really be showing a lack of emotion. As someone else in this group pointed out, girls will read into whatever you do. What you think of as blank is really an angry expression in many girls mind. This can be a neg of sorts. But to continually be the angry character will probably chase most girls away. Also consider that if you are unemotional then you are forced to work in her values frame. That means you are forced to elicit her values and not have her eliciting your values. What you should be doing is working on not having your emotions engaged by a girl. But at the same time you should come across as an emotionally expressive person. Demonstrate your emotional/expression range by the things you talk about and the way you talk about them. You want to SHOW the excitement you felt skydiving and the LOVE you feel for your beautiful nieces. A girl then sees that you care about something and that you are a challenge in that she wants you to care about her as well. This is one of the things, which will get her chasing you. She knows there is something good at the other end. What is attractive in another human being is their humanity. We demonstrate that by showing emotions and expressions. An alpha man shows emotion. While a beta man walks around all day with a blank expression, trying not to be seen or heard.
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Not offering up details of your life and avoiding fluff generate a sense of mystery. Mystery is not generated by being emotionally guarded like how most ordinary people are. That is just boring. Like it or not, you are always communicating with your environment on an emotional level. Instead of fighting it, learn to use it more consciously and effectively. Properly used, expressions and demonstrations of your emotional range can give you a very powerful presence. You want to smile, look perplexed, scowl, and yes even look blank each in its place and time. I think the PUA should always strive to be an exceptional person. Personally, when I go out in public, most of what I see are blank, emotionally guarded faces. And most AFCs are very emotionally stingy scared to loosen up their expressions. That is so dull, common and uninspiring. On the other hand, the most interesting people I know are actor friends and other performers who are very expressive. If you practice showing emotions then you will, paradoxically, gain more control over them. But if you try to hide and suppress your innate ability to demonstrate a range of expressions and emotions then they and other people using them will ultimately control you. Demonstrate emotions frequently. Talk about a rock climbing adventure with passion and excitement. If you practice caring, and showing you care about things then you are demonstrating that you are a passionate person and a girl will yearn to become one of your passions. This is so much more powerful than keeping your emotions/expressions under lock and key. On the subject of hiding intentions. If you are unemotional, the only reason you have for approaching a girl is, in her mind, to hit on her. While if you are expressing an emotion then you come across as a guy who cant help but show how fun playing with his nieces was or how amazing his hike was or how interesting his new puppy is, etc. Of course I am not saying to always be emotionally honest. Be like an actor whose emotions and expressions are powerful tools that you use to create an effect on others. Also you want to lead a girls values instead of asking for them with questions. The best way to lead them out is to offer you as an example. This can only be accomplished if you are in a mode of revealing feelings. -Juggler
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Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 218
Subject: Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited // view thread online

Hey Toecutter, Actually my post was not meant as a reply to one of yours, but some other threads. But I am glad you added your thoughts. I agree that you need to be inwardly unemotional (towards the girl and situation) and not outwardly unemotional. But I think performance wise it is more than just being highly enthusiastic. It is about showing emotions as well which makes you interesting. But in general I agree with your mindset. -Juggler
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Hey Rio, Glad you posted on this even though I disagree. Comments follow. >On 2/11/02 5:32:03 AM, Neo-Rio wrote: >Being unemotional is a sign of >extreme strength. I disagree. Being in control of your emotions is what is strong. Being able to reveal emotions that you have chosen is the way to demonstrate this strength. I think we are missing something here. If you are talking about having your emotions uncontrollable by a girl then I agree. >Indeed, it will attract a lot >of women - but keep in mind >that the weak ones >will not be able to handle >this "Unstoppable" neg. I have >found in personal >experience that the >unemotional vibe works best >with the hotties - but for >the chicks who are down the >attractiveness scale, it may >be too much for >them to handle. The weaker >ones will simply wet their >panties and run from >you - fearing a "rape" from >the alpha-male. Yes, this is like an unstopable NEG. It is like constant 0s in your own 101 theory. There is no balance and you have no 1s to contast with except those which your venue or her need for afirmation gives you to work with. I dont like to depend on anything other than myself so I always am ready to supply my own 1s. >I start out my PUs being >somewhat unemotional. It works >for me. I have a >natural player vibe here in >Japan (some chick told me that >I looked a bit
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>like an army guy), so I have >to defend myself from shit on >a constant basis. >The unemotional bit helps me. Indeed, this may be a case by case basis, but have you tried being very unemotional towards the girl while at the sametime being very emtionaly connected towards what you are talking about? In my mind, that is the key. >Anyway, Fear = Horny in the >minds of women. If I want to >create that state, >its easy for me to do. All I >have to do is color it with >some kindness, >some words on commitment, >under the veil of no emotion. >Besides, I want >women to judge me on my >actions, and not my words or >facial expression at >the time. > >Strong and silent. Strong and silent towards them but not towards your own life, experiences and thoughts. >This does not mean, however, >to be deviod of emotion. Have >emotion, use your >emotions to take action, be >that to elicit, tell a story >etc. - just dont >show your own emotions too >much, nor be swayed by the >chicks emotions. Agreed. > If >the story is funny, or >interesting, it will sell >itself. No need to get >worked up too much over it. This is the problem with many guys who use MM style. They end up being entertaining instead of interesting. They have great material but girls good feelings end up being linked to the material and not the guy using it. I talk about this alot when I teach performance. A career on stage or in pick-up will go much further if you concentrate on being interesting instead of entertaining. Yes a funny story will sell itself. But it should exist to sell you. A great routine is one which showcases your ability to use a broad range of expressions. >The other point about being >Mr. Interesting...... That is >useful, but Ive >found that in competition with
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>most other guys that it gives >me no edge >whatsoever. Every other guy >out there wants to show off >his bit, and >oftentimes I cannot get a word >in edgeways. You may be confusing the two. Every guy tries to be entertaining. Very few know how to be interesting. Note, being interesting is not about being enthusiastic. It is about showcasing your ability to be human. >The comment about adjusting to >the environment is good. Be >the odd one out. >If all the guys are >wallflowers, take the >initiative. If all the guys >are >taking the initiative, work >the room slowly and carefully. >There are a lot of variables. >Some chicks will go for >unemotional, other >weaker women will just want a >slobbering AFC guy to dance >with her in a club >to make her feel more >attractive. > >Id rather not be the AFC guy, >at any cost, so I control my >emotions as best >I can. Yes, control. But not hidden. Instead demonstrate how you can use them like a carpenter uses the tools in his toolbox. You must bring the tools out to use them on her. -Juggler
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Comments follow: (snip) >So my question is do you display >the emotions about >others/other things to her, >but dont show emotions for >her? That is almost it. Yes I display emotions toward other things. You have it there. But since acting unemotional towards her is going to be mis-interpreted by her as a neg it is really impossible to show no emotions toward her. So I do show emotions toward her. Just usually not the ones she is trying to get me to show and never a need for her, etc.. I am constantly showing that I am in control of emotions, both mine and hers. By the way, one of my favorite ways of getting in with a girl/group is to actively scowl (that is to let her see me going from a smile to a scowl when I catch her glance). -Juggler
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Got the number, when to do what / Post 221
Got the number, when to do what / Post 221
Subject: Got the number, when to do what // view thread online

I stared at this post for awhile debating wether to respond. It is pretty AFC with no relevant details. I hate to encourage that sort of thing. I mean if you, Luzer, do not even care enough to capitalize your Is then why should I take the time to respond to you? Well, Im going to because Im in a generous mood and it is, after all, an easy question. First of all, change your nick. No one should go around calling themselves Luzer. It sounds too much like loser. Second, capitalize your Is. Even I know better and I didnt even attend college. Third, stand up straight. lol Anyway, call the girl up and put her into a fun mood and then tell her you are not going to the party. When she sounds disappointed tell her she can meet you for coffee. Then just before the appointed time call her up and cancel. Tell her you threw your back out. When she sounds disappointed tell her it would be cool if she would come over to your place and bring coffee with her. Tell her you can not really get up off the couch but you will make her laugh from a lying position. When she shows up get her to massage your back. Then ask her to get the Kaluha out of the cupboard and mix it with the coffee. Get her drinking and relaxed. Then tell her your lips are sore and need to be massaged too - with her lips. Kiss her, then pull her on top of yourself. Explore her body. Get her real heated up. Kiss her neck, her breasts and then rub her crotch. Get her real wild and ready to screw. Then tell her she can get the condoms if she would like. She saw them earlier because you keep them in the cupboard next to the liquor. Make her be on top you are helpless after all. Sex her well. Make a miraculous recovery and go to the party on Friday and get her and her cute friend into a threesome. Then on Saturday morning post a full lay report to this group. -Juggler
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pu attempt on nyc subway / Post 222
pu attempt on nyc subway / Post 222
Subject: pu attempt on nyc subway // view thread online

Congratulations on getting out there and making something happen. You will get there eventually. Just keep approaching. In the meantime, do not spend $2400. If you do that I will be extremely pissed at you. Instead use the PAIR service on this site and go out with a PUA in your area. Or geez, pay me half of that $2400 and Ill come out there and get you rolling in a weekend. -Juggler
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Hi Jonanthan, I actually plan on posting about this soon. The difference between being entertaining and being interesting is crucial. The next week is a real busy one for me. But hopefully I can post on this after that. -Juggler
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On 2/13/02 3:15:34 AM, Ashton wrote: >>By the way, one of my >favorite ways of getting in >with a girl/group is to >>actively scowl (that is to >let her see me going from a >smile to a scowl when I >>catch her glance). > >Juggler, > >Can you please explain this? >What does this accomplish? >And how? It is just an opener. The scowl technique only works if you do it as a response to people. If you just go around with a scowl then you just look like an unhappy person. But if you wear a smile or regular expression and then in that brief moment when someone looks your way you turn your expression into a scowl, it then looks like you are scowling at them. That is what you want. Not a general scowl but a specific scowl. The way I do this playful scowl is to bring the eyebrows down and together and the lips upward slightly. (play around with it and you will get the right effect) This look will cause the person to momentarily think, "Hey that guy just scowled at me. What is going on? Is he mad at me? Who is this guy?" They are feeling a lot of curiosity. That is when you walk right over. You have their complete attention. Now replace your scowl with a playful smile and say something like, "What are you people doing at my favorite table?" Be prepared to explain why this is your favorite table. Make up a story that happened right there, like a girl proposed to you or something. Note the scowl is done just for an instant. Just a little pop to jar the person receiving the scowl. Another way of achieving a similar effect would be to stick your tongue out at a person. Of course that would require a different follow up after you walked over.
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-Juggler
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Re: asking / Post 225
Re: asking / Post 225
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The intruding guy is just a gutless turd. He wants to get with the girl you are talking with and wants to use you as an easy way in. What you want to do is rotate 180 degrees. Place an arm on her shoulder and gently turn her as you point out something behind the two of you. Say, "See that (picture, person, tree, whatever) that reminds me of this time when... " Make up an impromtue bit here. Your backs should be turned to the intruding guy now. This works as an effective snub which appears to come from both of you (even though you initiated) It is important that the girl snubs with you else then the guy may just talk up the girl while you go on snubing alone. -Juggler
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Whats the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 226
Whats the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 226
Subject: Whats the Alpha way to handle this? // view thread online
Post Date: February 21st, 2002 09:31:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Your problem here is that you have a situation where you want to do what is right by opening the door for someone. But you dont like a third party to demand you do it. Like if you were gathering up cloths and soap and a bucket and then to go wash your car and then your girlfriend calls just before you begin and bitches about how you should wash your car because it is soo dirty and she doesnt want to be seen in it. Well, you may decide not to wash it just to show her you cant be pushed around. But the fact is you want to wash your car because it is a warm sunny day and you are in the mood for making it real shiney. What to do is to follow through with the action but at the sametime give out a neg to the insister. For instance in my hypothetical situation you would say to your girlfriend something like, "You are a demanding person. No wonder my friends say I should get rid of you. I jst so happen to be washing my car today because I want to. Not because you are telling me to." In your situation you could say to the UG, "You sure have a piercing wail of a voice." Then go let the other person in. Everyone else will see you are Alpha. You have balanced out her rude demand with a Neg. Letting the person in then rests on its own merits you have cancelled out the UGs rudeness with your own. -Juggler
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What really annoys me is when a girl squeezes her way... / Post 227
What really annoys me is when a girl squeezes her way... / Post 227
Subject: What really annoys me is when a girl squeezes her way out of the question // view
thread online Post Date: February 22nd, 2002 07:53:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Most likely you have not put her in a mood to reveal. Instead of asking her questions, try making statements. This is more powerful and you can lead by example. Just offer up your idea of an exotic vacation. Get real creative with the details. Make her feel the sun on her face and the excitement of exploring an exotic reef. Then you can ask, if you want, about what her ideal vacation would be and she will be lead by your example. But really you shouldnt be asking much of anything. The dynamic you want to have happen is that both of you are offering through statements your passion, dreams and favorite sexual positions. What you are trying to do is what alot of guys try in this group. You are trying to ellicit values. Damn! That term should be changed. You do not need to take her values. She can take yours. You just have to get values out on the table and in the open. You can do this at the same time that you attract. Now, if you ask a girl a question and she does not give a straight answer then do not press her. This shows you care too much. Especially in the beginning, you want to come off as more into yourself than into her. She should work to give you info. Not the other way around. Personally, I like it when girls dont answer my questions. I even purposely ask them questions that I hope they can not answer. This demonstrates my worth when I answer for them. Now go out there and tell the ladies what you want. -Juggler
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Hooking IOIs / Post 228
Hooking IOIs / Post 228
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Post Date: February 22nd, 2002 08:52:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Good post Rio. This is similar to what I call forcing IOIs. For guys, like me who are impatient by nature and dont like to waste time by waiting for IOIs. You can figure out what IOIs you want and then trick or command them from girls. For instance, these are some of the IOIs you force: 1. Body posture - Tell her to sit with the proper posture. Legs crossed towards you, hands lowered, etc.. Let her know it is rude otherwise. 2. Kino - Tell her to put a hand on your arm and feel the energy coursing through that special nerve. Tell her to stroke your hand. Give her a shoulder rub upon meeting her and then expect her to reciprocate. 3. Use conversational hooks and play upon her curiosity to get her asking you questions. 4. Get her to ellicit your values. 5. Have her accepting your commands: Start small and then build up. There are many more. Practically any IOIs you can think up can be forced. Then in most instances you can close off them because she will act congruently with her behavior even though it was not her idea. But if you have problems you can do as RIO suggests and reference back to them if she tries to back away from her attraction to you. But in my experience, if you force IOIs properly you will be succesful in closing. -Juggler
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Re: Whats the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 229
Re: Whats the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 229
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Post Date: February 22nd, 2002 01:45:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.advanced Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
>Maybe Im missing something but those >seem more like insults than negs. Yep. No reason not to insult in this situation. The UGs demanding that he open the door is already an insult. He is just reciprocating. -Juggler
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Juggler ?s / Post 230
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Hi Chris, Without this getting too corny of a love fest I have to tell you that you are one of the posters who I really respect. I have never detected an ounce of boastfulness or immaturity in any of your posts. You seem to be very focused on becoming the best PUA you can be. I also like that you incorporate whatever works, irrespective of whom it comes from. I bet you have alot more game, compared to most guys on this board, than you realize. On a personal level I would really like to get together and go sarging. Are you in California? I am going to be in the San Francisco area March 14-17. Okay, to answer your questions. At the risk of sounding arrogant. I have few sticking points. I am very happy with my game. I give advice to make pick-up easier for the guys here but Im a bit of a hypocrite and dont really follow my own advice. For myself I usually try to make pick-up harder. I need a challenge. I am pretty bored with regular PU right now. If I have any sticking points it is maybe with managing girlfriends, organizing my time and so on. I am a pretty busy guy. I perform two separate shows and am hosting a new weekly variety show starting soon. Posting to fast-seduction is like my hobby. A time to relax. You might say another sticking point is dealing with people who keep asking me how I can relate to my 18 year old girlfriend. Im 33. Or how does it feel to be sleeping with a married chick. Or a girl who is a witch. I get tired of answering the same questions. I have never really been into reading field reports. To me most of them make dull reading. But there are really three reasons I dont make field reports. The first is that I am a slow typer and detailing a night of action seems like a lot of work. Second, I seek out not just PU but adventures with women. Many people here would just not belive the stuff that happens to me. And I dont want to come off as bragging. Third, there is the whole privacy thing. Because of my line of work I have sort of a public persona that I would like to keep separate from the Juggler guy who posts here. I really dont want everybody to know who I am. I dont want the problem Mystery has. I dont want a girl I seduced to ever come here and read how I bragged about making her bark like a dog. If I ever do begin to make
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regular field reports Ill probably make them in the lounge. But having said that, I am posting a field report on my Friday night out. for the heck of it. Check out the Field Reports section. -Juggler
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Astrology... / Post 231
Astrology... / Post 231
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Things like tarrot cards, games, magic tricks and astrology are tools. But the way I would like to see them used is by beginners who need material from which to relate with girls. As the guy progresses he should leave these tools behind else they begin to become crutches. In the end you want to rely 100% on yourself. You want girls not fascinated by your material or what you can tell them about themselves. You want them fascinated by you. -Juggler
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Smiling at HBs and Smoking / Post 232
Smiling at HBs and Smoking / Post 232
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A smile in general is good. It demonstrates confidence and a relaxed mood. A sly smile is also great. Sticking your tongue out is even better. Once you are in with a girl/group use a wide range of expressions. -Juggler
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Can this be turned around? / Post 233
Can this be turned around? / Post 233
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Stop emailing. Tell her your computer is broke or something. Only talk to her on the telephone or in person. When you see her make a point of applying instant kino. Do not let the non-physical dynamic get set-up or it will snowball. -Juggler
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Advise Needed / Post 234
Advise Needed / Post 234
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Look through the PAIR service on this site. Find a PUA in your area. Invite him to show up at you work and introduce him to this girl. After he picks her up and sexes her royaly then you will have lost your oneitis and learned how PU is done. -Juggler
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Fluff + EV vs. GM Style, pros and cons / Post 235
Fluff + EV vs. GM Style, pros and cons / Post 235
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No fluff! If I ever see you fluffing I will become very angry with you. You feel you have to fluff because you are elliciting values. You feel you have to establish fluff type rapport before she will feel comfortable answering your elliciting questions. Well, stop that! Do not ask questions. Make statements! Just begin to talk about your deep feelings, excitment and passion. Share your values. How you love kids, great pizza and giving/recieving massage. It will be a bit scary because you will not get much feed back at first. But she will catch up and begin to talk about deep feelings as well. Lead at all times! This shows confidence. Show the range of your emotions through your stories and interactions which girls will be able to relate too. Keep your tone of voice intimate and sexual. -Juggler
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I feel really stupid to ask for fluff topics here... / Post 236
I feel really stupid to ask for fluff topics here... / Post 236
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Here are a few tips: 1. Do not ask many questions. Make statements. 2. Hand conversational control to her only on feelings. Dont end a block of conversation by saying, "...thats how come I ended up at this school." Instead use, "... but this school has me thinking about becoming even more passionate about my art." Do you get this? You want her relating to feelings and not details. 3. Be in control of the conversation. Forget fluff. Go for sharing your values and putting her in the mood. Do not let the chick place the conversation back on fluff. If she tries to return the conversation to boring stuff by asking a question like, "Do you know what time the gym closes?" Reframe her question for her, "A better question would be, What kind of fun can we find after the gym closes." 4. Expect to supply 90% of the conversational momentum. Its my 90-10 rule. If you expect a regular conversation where you only give 50% then forget it. She will still only give 10%. That equals only 60% and the conversation will stall. 5. If you want her values then lead them out of her by sharing yours. VALUES DO NOT HAVE TO MATCH. They just need to be brought to the table. Forget about sneaking her values out of her and feeding them back to her. That is lame. You dont need to ever be sneaky. Just bring up values and discuss them out in the open. -Juggler
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San Francisco PU WorkShop / Post 237
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After being continually frustrated at my slow typing and inability to offer more personal direction I have decided to conduct my own workshop. It will be in the San Francisco area on the weekend of March 15-17. Most likely on Saturday, 16th. I envision this informal workshop as giving real personalized attention. All topics will be on the table. But definite for me will be: 1. Non-verbals 2. The importance of being interesting versus entertaining. 3. Leading values instead of eliciting 4. Making statements versus asking questions 5. Group approaches 6. Opening 7. Closing The workshop is tentative at this point due to my scheduling commitments which are still kind of up in the air. Hopefully this can be a sarge all day and into the night kind of thing. With me demonstrating approaches and diagnosing guys game I would like everyone to make AT LEAST twenty approaches. With beginners, getting many chances to wing off me. If you are afraid of approaching, I will carry you through the process and hopefully instill the PUA attitude. Right now the whole thing is tentative, but if there is enough interest it will be for sure. And if all goes well there will be an East coast workshop in July in Montreal. Note, that this, in no way, is meant to compete against Mysterys workshop or RJs classes. I would highly recommend taking Mysterys workshop. From what I have heard it is 600 bucks well spent. Now to the grit of the matter. How much this is going to cost you. I got a deal for you. The price of this workshop, including the set of steak knives is... free. Thats right your cost is nothing. Hey, why should I charge you for something I like doing anyway? Thats right, its free. Of course there wont be any limo and you have to pay your own cover, but hey, thats still a great deal. But if anyone wants to donate $ for this workshop then all the better. Ill give any profits to Formhandle for keeping this excellent website/resource going. Also, Im just a poor ignorant mid-western boy, if anyone wants to give me a hand in the logistics of planning where and how to get around in San Fran let me know.
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Remember, the whole thing is tentative at this point but I would love to hear some ideas, in this thread, on how to make this a great workshop. If you are interested in being part of this workshop email me. jug***r@ti***.com [ safemail ] -Juggler
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Tricky / Post 238
Tricky / Post 238
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Post Date: March 1st, 2002 06:21:00 AM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.tactics-techniques Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
There is nothing wrong with a girl asking you questions. This means she is interested in you. It is an indicator of interest. You want to encourage and reward her curiosity. However the dynamic you want to set up in most situations is the two of you both offering up your thoughts on deep feelings, passions and favorite sexual positions. Yes, when someone asks a question it is taking the lead, sort of. It is really a false lead though. To really lead you need to take a chance and put yourself out there. Just like I continually tell guys on this list. Make statements not questions. It is too easy just to sit back and ask questions and not expose yourself to risk. Okay, having said all that, what you want is for her to ask you serious interesting questions. If you ever feel a girls question is leading you away from seduction then you want to reframe it for her. You: "A better question would be, What kind of person makes the best lover?" Keep tone easy and sympathetic. Then you go on to answer your new question. This accomplishes the task of not answering what you consider a stupid question while at the sametime letting her feel her curiosity is appreciated, all the while staying on target for seduction. -Juggler
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Post Date: March 1st, 2002 12:44:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Thanks to everyone who responded. Im really amazed at the interest. My email is full. I wish I could take everybody. Unfortunately I have to limit it to 6-8 guys. Although I might make an exception to someone who can provide a great bit of logistical support. I really want this to be a workshop and not a seminar. And especially since this is the first run at this, it would probably be good to keep it small. At this point it is a 90% certainty that the workshop is going to happen. It should be alot of fun. Im looking forward to making some new friends and getting everybody laid. To everybody who is in I will be sending out confirmation emails soon. To those who were not quite fast enough on the email send button my apologizes. Hopefully we can do another one soon. Also you may want to check out Mysterys workshop. Not sure if it is sold out, but I think he is having one out there the week before. Thanks, Juggler
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Post Date: March 1st, 2002 04:39:00 PM (EST) Group/Board: alt.seduction.fast.general Article Author: "juggler" (if mis-matched to this archive, contact webmaster@fastseduction.com) Find recent posts by "juggler" on mASF // contact "juggler"
Thanks Next Level >That sounds like a fantastic opportunity >and I hope everyone on the forum who >lives close enough will take advantage >of it. Since I live overseas I wont be >one of them, but you have some great >ideas and insights and I enjoy your >posts. I have noticed that your approach >is slightly different to the commonly >used EV & Patterns style, which I think >is a good thing because I can see the >benefits of leading with statements etc >instead of just asking about her values >and conforming to them. Hope everyone >has a blast at the workshop :)
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Table of Contents
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The Jaw-Dropping Juggler Archive v2.0 from Fast Seduction 101 . . . . Background . . . . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Ugly chicks / Post 181 . . . . . . . . . . How to close when chicks boss is around?? / Post 182 . . . The 101 Primer / Post 183 . . . . . . . . . . I didnt hear a fucking word you said / Post 184 . . . . . AFC question... / Post 185 . . . . . . . . . . Tao of Steve / Post 186 . . . . . . . . . . . How do I use my sexual power? / Post 187 . . . . . . extracting target from mutual friends / Post 188 . . . . . jumping into conversations / Post 189 . . . . . . . . Chicks Eager for #s but Dont Call / Post 190 . . . . . . Another Question (On Topic This Time) / Post 191 . . . . . extracting target from mutual friends / Post 192 . . . . . Re: Tao of Steve / Post 193 . . . . . . . . . . Advice: flake or not? / Post 194 . . . . . . . . . Re: HB call soon - do i bust balls? / Post 195 . . . . . . Re: Tao of Steve / Post 196 . . . . . . . . . . OT Email Virus / Post 197 . . . . . . . . . . OT Email Fun / Post 198 . . . . . . . . . . . Tao of Steve / Post 199 . . . . . . . . . . . LTR screening from HB?? / Post 201 . . . . . . . . school/work seductions / Post 202 . . . . . . . . Communicating that youre qualifying them - Ideas needed / Post 203 Rapport building - Tony Robbins / Post 204 . . . . . . Silencing strong opinions/beliefs/feelings, etc. / Post 205 . . . Put a price on yourself / Post 207 . . . . . . . . . Opinion... / Post 208 . . . . . . . . . . . . Statement of Intent: be the new me / Post 209 . . . . . . Re: Phone Sarging Advice / Post 210 . . . . . . . . rAFC seeks advice on becoming a PUA / Post 211 . . . . Asf faq-style #close / Post 212 . . . . . . . . . Why do girls DO... / Post 213 . . . . . . . . . . Making her Feel Good / Post 214 . . . . . . . . . David Shades Manual? / Post 215 . . . . . . . . Re: Put a price on yourself / Post 216 . . . . . . . . Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 217 . . . . . Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 218 . . . . Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 219 . . . . Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 220 . . . . Got the number, when to do what / Post 221 . . . . . . pu attempt on nyc subway / Post 222 . . . . . . . . Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 223 . . . . Re: Unemotional vs. Emotional Revisited / Post 224 . . . . Re: asking / Post 225 . . . . . . . . . . . . Whats the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 226 . . . . . What really annoys me is when a girl squeezes her way... / Post 227 Hooking IOIs / Post 228 . . . . . . . . . . . Re: Whats the Alpha way to handle this? / Post 229 . . . . Juggler ?s / Post 230 . . . . . . . . . . . . Astrology... / Post 231 . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 17 18 20 22 23 24 25 26 27 29 30 32 34 35 36 38 39 40 41 42 43 44 46 47 50 51 52 53 54 56 57 58 59 60 61 63
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Smiling at HBs and Smoking / Post 232 . . . . Can this be turned around? / Post 233 . . . . . Advise Needed / Post 234 . . . . . . . . Fluff + EV vs. GM Style, pros and cons / Post 235 . . I feel really stupid to ask for fluff topics here... / Post 236 San Francisco PU WorkShop / Post 237 . . . . Tricky / Post 238 . . . . . . . . . . San Francisco PU WorkShop / Post 239 . . . . San Francisco PU WorkShop / Post 240 . . . . DISCLAIMER . . . . . . . . . . .
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Re: Ugly chicks / Post 181

Re: Ugly chicks / Post 181

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How to close when chicks boss is around?? / Post 182

How to close when chicks boss is around?? / Post 182

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The 101 Primer / Post 183

The 101 Primer / Post 183

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I didnt hear a fucking word you said / Post 184

I didnt hear a fucking word you said / Post 184

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AFC question... / Post 185

AFC question... / Post 185

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Tao of Steve / Post 186

Tao of Steve / Post 186

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How do I use my sexual power? / Post 187

How do I use my sexual power? / Post 187

Subject: How do I use my sexual power? // view thread online

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extracting target from mutual friends / Post 188

extracting target from mutual friends / Post 188

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jumping into conversations / Post 189

jumping into conversations / Post 189

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Chicks Eager for #s but Dont Call / Post 190

Chicks Eager for #s but Dont Call / Post 190

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Another Question (On Topic This Time) / Post 191

Another Question (On Topic This Time) / Post 191

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extracting target from mutual friends / Post 192

extracting target from mutual friends / Post 192

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Re: Tao of Steve / Post 193

Re: Tao of Steve / Post 193

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Re: Tao of Steve / Post 193

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Advice: flake or not? / Post 194

Advice: flake or not? / Post 194

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Re: HB call soon - do i bust balls? / Post 195

Re: HB call soon - do i bust balls? / Post 195

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