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Behold! There Are Mistranslations in the Bible and the Word 'Elohim' Can Be Used as a Plural
by Erik Parker
Los Angeles August 2002 from ErikParker Website Spanish v ersion
Contents
Introduction Sitchins Simple Thesis Is it possible that every translation is fully correct? The age of the Bible and certain cultures How many times has the Bible been lost and had to be rewritten? My response to Mr. Heisers specific points Can we trace those original Sumerian sources? More Sumerian influence and Nephilim More examples of Sumerian influence The connection to the Tower of Babel How is Moses connected to Sargon the Great, King of Akad? The creation story Conclusion Final message Additional Information Extra Reading For Those Who Have the Desire For Even More Sumer And The Bible - Slide Presentation
Return to The Real History of The Nazarenes and The Bible Return to Sumer and The Anunnaki Return to Zecharia Sitchin
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Introduction
For those of you who have followed the debate on the internet you may know about the personal attacks I have withstood from Michael S. Heiser, in my attempt to honestly debate him regarding the writings and thesis of Zecharia Sitchin. I always choose my words carefully and have never used the word "wrong" when applying it to Mr. Heiser and I have never personally insulted him or his position. The word "wrong" has emotional charge behind it so I try to use "correct/incorrect" to apply to details or facts. I prefer to debate the evidence and the issues and not have a discussion become personal. The purpose, for me, is to increase my understanding of a subject and clarify misunderstandings. My goal is always to add to the body of knowledge and understanding of a complex issue for the readers and myself. As you will see, Mr. Heisers goal is not to add knowledge and understanding to these issues. His goal, from the beginning, when he came on the web page and speaking scene, was to tear down the work of an established author. He had no name recognition to stand on so he used Sitchins good name to get attention for himself so he could sell his own book, appear on the radio and get speaking engagements. Mr. Heiser does not think he is a debunker and I will not declare that he is. My purpose is, for the reader, to point out that his tactics and behavioral patterns fit the mold and style of a debunker which includes using personal attacks and ridicule. You can make the decision on your own once you see both sides of the issue. Hopefully, you will reach your own conclusions about his motives. Debunker trick #1, when having no reputation of your own, attempt to destroy the work of an established individual, in the process creating a name for yourself. In fact, the method involves using the name of the person you are attempting to destroy as the springboard for yourself. His first web page that I read was full of insults and uncalled for statements. You would think that a man who claims he has a respected background and career would not want to use someone elses name for his own gain. Wouldnt he want to be recognized for his own individual achievements? This maneuver is a shifter strategy made famous in the book, Atlas Shrugged, by Ayn Rand. This procedure is used to take away from someone the thing you want the most for yourself, thereby "shifting" it away from them and to you. In this case, Heiser wants to take away Sitchins fame and respect as an author, researcher and speaker. Even at this point, he still wants to debate Sitchin. For what purpose? If it were to add to everyones knowledge and understanding there would be no need for personal attacks against Sitchin or me. Sitchin does not have a computer, does not browse the Internet and, therefore, has never seen any of Heisers material nor heard him speak. Why would he agree to go on the radio and be attacked? Why would Sitchin help Heiser increase his name recognition? Sitchin is just too busy writing new books and arranging seminars. You can tell from Heisers writing style that he is very confrontational -- he uses debunk er tactics . His purpose for wanting to debate Sitchin is to employ the attack and ridicule process. This is completely inconsistent with a person that wants to raise up all of society by their knowledge.
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I dont think there will be a debate with Sitchin, but I still have a few words to say.... Back to Contents
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This w onderfully preserv ed tablet has many of the currently used Zodiacal symbols. Easy to spot is the scorpion, lion and the tw ins. There are also celestial symbols represented, the eight pointed stars and the moon. Do you notice a snake that cov ers the top and left side? The snake (serpent) is a maj or character in the Adam & Ev e story. This tablet is on display in the British Museum, London, England.
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But like the method of a debunker and using debunking trick #2, Mr. Heiser doesnt simply state his point of view with his proof and evidence instead his method of debate is to personally attack and ridicule before he presents his evidence. This is supposed to make the person receiving the abuse get off balance and draw(s) away from the debate topic, which is an intentional distraction. So he comes out swinging with insults and personally ridiculing the other position and viewpoint and anybody that believes the opposite of him. Yet, he agrees in many situations there are mistakes of grammar with mistranslations, and he even points out there is mixing up of plural and singular forms of speech in the same sentence. This inconsistency is also the hallmark of a debunking position. Debunking trick #3, is to argue certain points in some situations, yet agree with certain points in other similar situations. And the points of disagreement are not important enough to cancel out the rest of the evidence. This inconsistency must be pointed out. Then why attack a respected author and claim he is wrong as a blanket generalization when you in fact agree with him in some of the situations. Well that takes us back to trick #1, to get name recognition for yourself when you are unknown. How else will you be invited to do radio shows and get on the lecture circuit? What Mr. Sitchin has identified in his writings are some of the mistranslated words that appear, and when taking into account the historical influence from the previous cultures a new meaning and understanding arises. This means that the Bible indeed has a bibliography and there was civilization on Earth for at least 2,000 3,000 years before the time of Abraham, some say much longer. This way of thinking adds new meaning and understanding to our lives and affects us in profound ways that is different for every individual. Over 8 million copies of Sitchins books have been sold in over 14 languages, and every time a new country gets his books, they appear on the bestseller list. Why? Simply because they expand our thinking about humanity and our origins. They are brainteasers that stimulate something that is inside of us to want to learn more and have more understanding. Most of us realize that what we have been told from official sources has something missing. There is simply much more to the story of humanity than what the same old translations tell us. Back to Contents
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Akkadian Dynasty (2,154 - 2,334 BCE) including Sargon (2,279 - 2,334 BCE) Rulers of Lagash & Uruk, Third Dynasty of Ur, First Dynasty of Isin, Larsa Dynasty (1,763 - 2,155 BCE) First Dynasty of Babylon (1,595 - 1,894 BCE) Abram (Abraham later on) came from the land of Sumer (Shinar in the Bible), from the capital city known as Ur (Ur Kasdim in the Bible, Gen 11:31). His father and grandfather were long lived Sumerians that lived in the capital city of Ur (around 2,025 to 2,075 BCE). Abrahams parents worshipped the gods of Sumer and he grew up with that culture. It says in Joshua 24:2, "Your forefathers, Terah the father of Abraham and the father of Nahor, always dwelt beyond the (Euphrates) river and they served gods (Elohim) of others." This also means that Abram would have heard the Sumerian mythology repeated every year during festivals, if he attended with his father & grandfather, until he left the land and went to Haran. The Israelites left Egypt around (1,250 - 1,350 BCE) depends on who you think was the pharaoh at the time and the dating of them. Invasion of the Sea Peoples the Phoenicians (about 1,200 - 1,250 BCE). Old Hebrew or Temple Script borrowed Phoenician letters as shown in "The Atlas of Languages, The Origin and Development of Languages Throughout the World." The names of the letters are Phoenician names. A quote from the books says, "Following the sixth-century Babylonian exile of the Jews, the Old Hebrew script gradually gave way to Aramaic. The old characters, are, however, still used as a liturgical script by the Samaritans. Modern Hebrew square characters have their origin in the Aramaic script." The time of Kind David and Solomon (about 931 - 1,000 BCE) During the reign of King Josiah of Judah, (around 609 - 641 BCE) all the torah (Bible) scrolls were lost in Israel until the high priest discovered one. After King Josiah, a religious man heard the words, apparently for the first time; he ordered all the temples of false gods destroyed and the Passover to be observed (II Kings Chap 22 & 23). It says, "this is the first time the Passover was observed since the days of the Judges and all the days of the kings of Israel and Judah" (that is between 200 - 300 years). Now this is a time when there is a holy temple in Jerusalem and there is worship and sacrifices going on there. Yet there are sill temples to false gods in Judah and no one has celebrated Passover for generations. Passover is currently one of the biggest holidays of the year for Jews; it celebrates the Jewish exile from Egypt. In fact that is Yahwehs claim to fame in the Ten Commandments when it says "God (Elohim) spoke all these statements, saying, [I am the Lord (Yahweh) your god], that took you out of Egypt from the house of slavery." (Exodus. 20:2) [it should read "I am Yahweh, your god that... "] How could it be that the biggest holiday is not even celebrated during the time when the first holy temple is
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still in existence? What other parts of the Bible were forgotten during this time? During the lifetime of the prophet Jeremiah, during the reign of Jehoiakim the son of the previous King Josiah, (about 598 - 597 BCE), parts of the Bible were re-written by Jeremiah. Apparently they had lost much of it again because Jeremiah delivered it to the elders and advisors of the king, and when the elders read it, they were amazed (Jeremiah, Chap 36). But the king got mad when he heard Jeremiahs prophecies of destruction and threw the scroll into the fire. So Jeremiah re-writes the scrolls once again from the words of Yahweh. This could also be called channeling. Here we have an example of the Bible actually telling us that it is being written in real time, as opposed to saying it is an old document. Back to Contents
How many times has the Bible been lost and had to be re-written?
How many foreign influences appeared to creep into the re-written Bible?
When the Jews came back to Israel from the exile in Babylon (about 520 BCE), they had picked up the Babylonian names of the months of the year. They still use those names today even though the older Bible from the desert with Moses has numbered months, this all changed in a time span of 70 - 72 years of exile. The original names of the months are listed with the holidays that went with them in Numbers 28:16-39, an example is the first month, or the seventh month, that is how Yahweh and Moses labeled the months of the calendar. Here are examples of just three names of the 12 currently being used. Nisan from Nisanu, Tishrei from Tashritu, and my favorite Tammuz from Dumuzi, (Dumuzi is the actual name of a Sumerian god. Tammuz is the Semitic pronunciation. I am not sure if the Rabbis know they are using the name of an ancient false god for one of their months names). So when the final compilation of the Bible appeared during the years after returning from the Babylonian exile (around 520 BCE). The biblical authors incorporated their philosophy of one deity, Yahweh, into the copies of the scrolls. Whatever attributes a previous god may have had, was retained and given to Yahweh on paper. If the story was holy and the deeds were attributed to Anu, Enki, Enlil, Inanna or Marduk it became the property of the Elohim or Yahweh. Probably Elohim was a clue to uncover those stories that showed an earlier influence from Mesopotamia. Why not just give one name to all the other gods mentioned and save much time? Remember the Bible is trying to prove there is only one god, which is the point of the document. So we can accomplish this by putting all individual names into one general term, plural of course, and for the priests with the secret knowledge that know for themselves, we just incorporated the great stories the public knows and made them specific to our culture and our congregation. Who would know about the older tablets, who would know we borrowed? This plan did work until the late 1880s, and early 1900s when archeologists started to finally dig out the texts in their original tablet form and the scholars translated them.
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They were astonished to find so much of the source material for the Bible. This plan worked for more than 2,000 years, most people thought the biblical stories were original to the Bible. Even now people are astonished when I tell them there are stories of semi human/semi divine characters and stories of resurrection from 2000 - 3000 years before the time of Jesus and even Abraham. The modern version of the Bible was probably read by Ezra (about 464 BCE) at the inauguration of the Second holy temple in Jerusalem. Obviously scholars disagree with the exact dating. Back to Contents
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to BCE era. The book is supposed to be very old, but there is no verification as to the modern version that is currently available. There is no chain of evidence to make the case that the version we have is actually older than the canonized Bible. I must tell the public that Heisers use of translations from text that are younger than the Bible show that he does not understand what this debate is about. It is not about contemporary mistranslations that have been made by modern translators. This debate is about what older influences were placed into the original Bible. By the way we just saw debunker trick #4, which is to reverse the process so that you can use proof of translations from younger documents to prove translating mistakes in older documents. This cant be done because of the arrow of time moving forward. Only older documents than the Bible are relevant to be an influence, and younger mistranslations that continue the mistakes are not evidence. Back to Contents
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This picture show s many carv ed texts sitting on shelv es. This is in a museum in Turkey.
Here are some Sumerian words that many other languages and cultures have borrowed. (Translations are from "A Manual of Sumerian Grammar and Texts ," by John L. Hayes.) Mother - Ama in Sumerian, Ima in Hebrew. Father - Ab-ba, Ad-da in Sumerian, Aba in Hebrew. Mountain, mountain-range - Kur, Hur-sag in Sumerian. Har is mountain in Hebrew. Kur could also mean land. Alla, (Allah) the name of god in Arabic was also the name of a Sumerian goddess of the netherworld. In Akkadian Allatu. Earth - Ki in Sumerian, also known as Gi or Qi. Modern usage Gaia for the mother Earth. Great - Gal in Sumerian, in Hebrew Gadol is great or large; it has the same first and last sound. Three letter root is GAL, GDL. The Sumerian people were sometimes called Lu-Lu Amelu, which means mixed up person (being). Because their mythology said we were created from a mixture of ingredients and themselves. And in English we call someone Lu-Lu if they are crazy or mixed up.
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Adamu and Adapa are Sumerian names and characters, the original form of the name Adam from the Bible. Adam is always translated as "Man" in English. In Hebrew the word Adama can mean earth (dust of the ground) and Adom is red (like blood) and the word Dam means blood. Do you see how the root name of Adam is closely linked to other words? These double meanings will be important later on. Heaven, sky, star is An, Anu, the city know as Heliopolis in Egypt used to be called An, or Anu. (The chief worship site of the god Re "Ra".) (Universe is a compound word made up of An-Ki, meaning Heaven and Earth.) Dumuzi - Sumerian god, used for name of Hebrew month as Tammuz. Crying for Tammuz is mentioned in Bible, Ezekiel 8:12 (about the same time as the Babylonian exile). They were not crying for the name of a month. They were crying in remembrance of Dumuzi the husband of Inanna who was killed and not able to be revived. The Sumerian god Utu (meaning the [visible] sun) is the same as Shamash in Akkadian; he used the celestial symbol of the solar disk as his representation. The god name Shamash is the same as the Hebrew word for the sun, Shemesh. Imagine that, the word for sun is the same as the god who used the symbol of the sun. E-din, E-means house, Din means righteous or pure. The Garden of Eden. In Hebrew Din is law; House of Law is like saying courthouse. (Some of you may have heard of the word Moujahadin, which is an Arabic word meaning holy warrior or righteous warrior. This is the name of the Arabic fighters in Afghanistan that the U.S. supported to fight off the Russian invasion.) There are so many Sumerian influences, please read anything written by Samuel Noah Kramer, my favorite is, "History Begins at Sumer, 39 Firsts Recorded in Mans History," this will show you influences in the modern world that began in Sumer. Back to Contents
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(In Hebrew, all these words could have the same 3-letter roots and could start with an Ayin, only the vowels and the pronunciation would be different. Mr. Heiser also tells you how the original Hebrew did not have vowels when originally written but were added hundreds to thousands of years later. He might say you would need a "yod" at the end of the word to have the "ee" sound, but a yod is just a single small line at the end of the word that could easily be left out by a scribe, and you can make the sound with the vowels, and imitate the "ee" sound by only using vowels.) I think it is enough to show that the first written language that used the Anak, Anaki, Anunnaki root sound was Sumerian and that was the influence for the word giants in Hebrew. Imagine these names, Anu, Enki, Anunnaki, Enlil, which were repeated in religious documents year after year, for thousand of years. This is a huge influence on the people and their memories. So in Gen 6:3, we have, "the Nephilim were in the Earth in those day and afterwards, when the [children of the Elohim] saw the daughters of man were attractive and took them as wives..." In Numbers 13:33, we have, "There we saw the Nephilim, [the children of Anak/Enki/Anunnaki], which come from the Nephilim, and we were in their site as grasshoppers." Of course Mr. Heiser will bring up his objection with the incorrect grammar in certain places, and the mixing of plural and singular, but I am showing you the older influences, the previous cultures infusion into the monotheistic Bible. I agree with Sitchin that the word Nephilim (using the root Naphal to fall down) is consistent with the word Anunnak i, which means "those who from heaven to Earth came." Nephilim means "those who fell down", "the fallen ones ." In the historical context and what the Bible means is, "Those who have fallen down from above." Back to Contents
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After Utnapishtim lands, he builds a fire to cook and, "...the gods smelt the fragrance, the gods smelt the pleasant fragrance..." After Noah built an alter he offered sacrifices and, "...Yahweh smelled the pleasing aroma..."
(Genesis 8:21)
There are a lot of gods that seem to like the smell of meat being cooked, including the Bibles pure-energy, non-physical creator god who should not be interested in smells . Obviously this quote is taken from the older source, where the older gods are changed into Yahweh. Somehow the Nephilim survived the flood... In the Sumerian story of the flood, the gods were watching the destruction from above. One goddess is crying over the destruction of her children. From Atra Hasis, "... Nintu was wailing... They are washed up, like a raft on a bank. They are washed up like a raft on a bank in open country! I have seen and wept over them! Shall I (ever) finish weeping over them?" (Nintu is also Ninmah.) After the flood these characters "fell" (naphal) back down to Earth and lived among the descendants of Noah and mankind. Until the time that Yahweh and the Israelites went to war against them. Famous giants ("Anak im" descendants of the Anunnaki/Enki) from the Bible are Og, King of Bashan (Deut 3:1), and Goliath the giant that Kind David defeated (Samuel 21:15-19). Another Sumerian influence is found here that Goliaths name (Galyat in Hebrew) starts with the word "Gal" meaning "great" in Sumerian. Today in the English language, we can use the word Goliath to denote something big and gigantic. Back to Contents
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(until then) been one." Was it Yahweh or Enlil that changed the speech of man? In this case Enlil was changed into Yahweh. Back to Contents
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It then continues, "... when the earth was astonishingly empty, with darkness upon the surface of the deep and the divine presence (Elohim) hovered upon the surface of the waters. God (Elohim) said, let there be light," and there was light. God (Elohim) said that the light was good." All the words for god are "Elohim" From the Epic of Creation (old translation from 1902 - also called the Enuma Elish) by L.W. King. "When in the heights heaven was not named. And the Earth beneath did not yet bear a name, and the primeval Apsu, who begat them, and chaos, Tiamet, the mother of them both, Their waters were mingled together, and no field was formed no marsh was to be seen. When of the gods none had been called into being, and none bore a name, and no destinies were ordained. They were created the gods in the midst of heaven." The word for gods is "ilani" the plural of the word "ilu." (I bring in this translation from 1902 to show you that this is not new information.) From "Myths from Mesopotamia" by Stephanie Dalley, Epic of Creation, Marduk says, "... Let me put blood together and bones too, let me set up primeval man: Man shall be his name...", "... The work of the gods shall be imposed on him..." In Atra Hasis, "... Nintu mixed clay, with her flesh and blood, they heard the drumbeat forever after, a ghost (soul) came into existence from the gods flesh and she (Nintu) proclaimed it a living sign." Later on "... I myself created (it), my hands have made (it)..." Remember the meaning of Adom meaning red, it matches up with the use of blood here in both versions. Also the word bone used here is "is-si-im[tu]m" which corresponds to the Hebrew "etzem", "bone" used in Genesis 2:23, in the phrase "etzem me-atzami", "bone of my bones." Stephanie Dalley mentions a possible word play being used here, ghost is "etemmu" and "temu" is intelligence. So the line above could be read "... an intelligence came into existence from the gods flesh." Genesis 1:26, Elohim said "Let us make man (Adam) in our image, after our likeness..." later on, "... so Elohim created the man (Adam) in his image, in the image of the Elohim, he created him, male and female, he created them." Gen 2:7, "And Yahweh Elohim formed the man (Adam) of dust from the ground, and he blew into his nostrils the soul of life and the man (Adam) became a living being." Gen 2:15, "Yahweh Elohim took the man (Adam) and placed him in the Garden of Eden, to work it and to watch it." Remember the meaning of "Adama", "earth" or "dust" as used here. The comparison of "blew into his nostrils the soul of life" is very similar to "a ghost (soul) came into existence from the gods flesh."
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Both stories have the same theme, man is created using ingredients, and put to work for the god(s). From L.W. King, "According to each account the existence of a watery chaos preceded the creation of the universe; and the Hebrew word Tehom, translated as "the deep" is the equivalent of the Babylonian Tiamet, the monster of the deep personifying chaos and confusion." Later on King says, "... it may here be added that the employment by Marduk, the creator, of his own blood in the creation of man may perhaps be compared to the Hebrew account of the creation of man in the image and likeness of Elohim. Moreover, the use of the plural in the phrase "let us make man" may be compared with the Babylonian narrative which relates that Marduk imparted his purpose of forming man to his father Ea (Enki), whom he probably afterwards instructed to carry out the actual work of mans creation." Back to Contents
Conclusion
We are finally near the end of this web page, and I really appreciate any of you that have read all the way to this point. I think I have shown with evidence that the Bible does in fact contain many influences from previous cultures. I think that when reading texts and seeing the pictorial evidence from the ancient Mesopotamian culture, a much greater story and history comes alive. This new information breaks through the monotheistic tendency of the Bible to discourage thinking and analysis of older cultures. The Bible treats all the old cultures as idol worshippers and non-believers, thereby discouraging research into them. But those same cultures created the stories that the Bible uses to prove there is only one god. And when those original stories were written many gods were mentioned in them. With all the administrate tablets found, we learn that the ancient gods lived among the people, were cared for by the people and in return were given knowledge to better their lives. The one difference between what Sitchin says (that I agree with) and what all the other historians, archeologists, linguists, translators, teachers, professor and scientists say is simple. Zecharia Sitchin says that all these stories and tablets relate to real actual events, they were written as history to show real things that happened. The characters were real and the descriptions of events that cant be explained are also real. Perhaps the unexplained events are evidence of technology used on Earth, which may still be beyond our capabilities today. If the events were real, this means there were characters on Earth that were not born here, and their DNA is part of our DNA. It means that evolution happened on planet Earth and intervention also happened on planet Earth. The scientists are correct that evolution occurred and the theologians are correct that intervention occurred.
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(This pictures show s a ram caught in a thicket found in a royal tomb in Ur, the birthplace of Abraham. Genesis 22:13, it says "And Abraham raised his eyes and saw -- behold, a ram! -- afterw ards, caught in the thicket by its horns; so Abraham w ent and took the ram and offered it up as an offering instead of his son." This is on display in Philadelphia at the Univ ersity Museum)
Everybody else that does not think the stories are real, thinks the ancient people made everything up. They think all that they wrote was mythology. Well I have news for you, if you agree that it was all mythology, then the Bible that uses those stories is also copying mythology. You see to be consistent you either accept that the original sources of the Bible were real or they were fantasy. If you believe in the stories of the Bible then the older stories are also true. If you dont believe in the Bible being true then you can say that the source material is also not true. You cant have it both ways and still be internally consistent. One book borrows from the others. I want all of you to know this, regardless of what you believe, it does not mean you are crazy or foolish. If you believe in Sitchins hypothesis, then you are in the company of millions of people, that are normal, sane individuals. If you dont believe in this hypothesis, that is also O.K., but dont think down upon people that do believe it. And for the believers dont think down upon the people that dont. Dont attack the other viewpoint, or ridicule the other position, the point of debate is to rise up, learn and educate everybody and not to exclude people.
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We are all entitled to our own beliefs and we are all absolutely free in our heads to think what we want. What I wish and hope for is that those beliefs are generated from your own research and your own view of the evidence. Please wait to make a decision until you see the evidence for yourselves. Visit the museums and read the original sources that authors use for their own books. Ultimately, it is the search for the answers that fulfills the human purpose for living. We may never know the whole story, but the search without attacking and destroying is what will keep our civilization going forward. But if the process is used to attack, ridicule and insult then society will continue to break down and go backwards. (I have not needed to quote from any of Sitchins books for this article. Everything written here is my personal opinion and from my own research.) Back to Contents
Final message
Mr. Heiser, your web page let me see outside of the box and I really appreciate the impetus it gave me to write all of this down. It was the inspiration and motive for my determination to finish this web page. I fear that if you respond you will attack, ridicule and put down what I have said here for the purpose of tearing down the knowledge and work of Zecharia Sitchin, by maintaining your continuous attack on him. From my knowledge you have been doing this at all possible speaking engagements. I hope I am "wrong" about your motives and what your response will be. I am hopeful that if you respond it will be with pure motives, with an intent to educate and lift up all of us with your k nowledge and experience. You can reach people on your own merits, but when you use some of those debunk ing trick s it overshadows the scholarly aspect of your work. All of us are trying to gain more knowledge and understanding by any discussion we have and you can be part of it. Please act with noble intention and a sense of lifting all of us up to a greater understanding. Back to Contents
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