(8:47:05 PM) Chris Antenucci: regarding syria, i think we should use our intel t o find out where they're

keeping their chemical weapons and bomb that (8:47:07 PM) Chris Antenucci: and that's it (8:48:53 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: yeah (8:48:59 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: if oly it was that easy (9:11:52 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: that is a step worse tha what se did (9:14:57 PM) Chris Antenucci: http://www.mediaite.com/tv/our-enemies-are-killing -each-other-fox-military-analysts-battle-oreilly-over-syria/ (9:15:01 PM) Chris Antenucci: very good debate (9:15:06 PM) Chris Antenucci: oreilly is dead wrong (9:15:47 PM) Chris Antenucci: http://www.mediaite.com/online/should-the-u-s-stri ke-syria-6-articles-you-need-to-read-about-syrian-intervention/ (9:22:10 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: yeah like people havve the time to read 6 artic le (9:24:25 PM) Chris Antenucci: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/27/we-dont -survive-glenn-beck-breaks-down-possible-ramifications-of-u-s-entering-war-in-sy ria/ (9:24:30 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: i really dot thik there is aytig we ca do (9:25:03 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: just like tere was othig ay oter coutry could d o to stop our ow ciivl war (9:25:35 PM) Chris Antenucci: well this is diff cause it's not really a war yet (9:25:55 PM) Chris Antenucci: and we dont have to stop it, we just need to stop assad from using chemical weapons (9:26:01 PM) Chris Antenucci: he can use other weapons if he wants (9:27:53 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: i agree with him (9:28:18 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: we gai notig from ivadig or omig syria (9:30:32 PM) Chris Antenucci: im saying we shouldn't invade, we should use isola ted drone strikes (9:33:55 PM) Chris Antenucci: dont make noise tonight cause im gonna crash at so me point (9:42:18 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: ok (9:42:41 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: eck's poit is they will retaliate (9:42:55 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: eve wit droe strikess (9:43:04 PM) Chris Antenucci: who will? (9:43:08 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: syria (9:43:15 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: ad teir allies (9:43:22 PM) Chris Antenucci: they can't retaliate against us (9:43:39 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: chia, russia, ira (9:43:50 PM) Chris Antenucci: as for russia, maybe they will, maybe they won't, but if the killing reaches a certain limit we'll have no choice anyway (9:46:21 PM) Chris Antenucci: i just realized this is obama's first major intern ational crisis (9:46:30 PM) Chris Antenucci: he's never been tested like this before (9:46:40 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: liya (9:46:49 PM) Chris Antenucci: and when there are legit crises with no clear answ er or success, there's no way for a president to spin it (9:46:50 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: eypt (9:46:55 PM) Chris Antenucci: this is lose lose for him (9:47:47 PM) Chris Antenucci: it'll be very interesting to see what decision he makes because everything he does is based on politics, but in this case the poli tics are bad no matter what he does (9:47:55 PM) Chris Antenucci: the country is split down both sides ( ( (10:13:21 PM) Chris Antenucci: http://therightscoop.com/ted-cruz-outlines-what-o ur-approach-should-be-to-syria-says-its-not-lobbing-a-few-missiles-at-assad/ (10:13:29 PM) Chris Antenucci: this is what a good pres would say about syria (10:13:35 PM) Chris Antenucci: his opinion is my opinion

(10:28:30 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2632421658001/whatwould-a-us-strike-on-syria-look-like/ (10:28:38 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: this guy got it right (10:29:09 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: we oly sed missiles to syria after we have eou gh iteratioal support (10:29:56 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: ad more military presece prepared to take out the syria militaary (10:30:20 PM) Chris Antenucci: i agree with the first part, but we should never have a military presence in syria (10:30:30 PM) Chris Antenucci: cause if we take out their military the rebels wi ll take over (10:30:37 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: hes talkig stealth omers (10:30:48 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: ot oots o thhhe groud (10:30:58 PM) Chris Antenucci: even that, we dont wanna do that (10:31:06 PM) Chris Antenucci: our only goal should be to destroy the chemical w eapons (10:31:21 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: you have to take out assad ad his egime too (10:31:31 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: at least the leadership (10:31:41 PM) Chris Antenucci: def not, cause like i said, that paves the way fo r extremists (10:32:00 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: oud to happe ayway (10:32:23 PM) Chris Antenucci: then let it happen, but we don't need to risk ame rican lives and money on a bad outcome (10:38:47 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2630109707001/us-ma king-strategic-mistake-in-syria/?intcmp=obnetwork (10:39:00 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: he says we shold take out assad ad the militar y (10:39:10 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: ad he kows his stuff (10:40:34 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: he says what i said is the est optio (10:40:39 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: a air assault (10:40:55 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: o oots o te groud (10:40:57 PM) Chris Antenucci: i strongly disagree, cause it's the same situatio n as libya (10:41:17 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: differet (10:41:31 PM) Chris Antenucci: the rebels are just waiting for us to take out as sad cause they can't do it on their own, but that's their goal and we'd be helpi ng them achieve that goal (10:41:32 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: assad is committig geocide (10:41:48 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: they will do it ayway (10:41:54 PM) Chris Antenucci: they can't (10:42:00 PM) Chris Antenucci: they don't have the firepower he has (10:42:17 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: the we just stad y ad watc a full scale geocid e (10:42:37 PM) Chris Antenucci: it hasn't reached that point yet, we have to be p atient and see how far he takes it (10:42:43 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: it will (10:42:55 PM) Chris Antenucci: which is why i said we have to destroy the chemic al weapons, that way there won't be a genocide (10:43:13 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: that ist the oly weapo they have (10:43:25 PM) Chris Antenucci: it's the main ones they're using to kill their pe ople (10:43:36 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: they will fid othhers (10:43:53 PM) Chris Antenucci: but they're not gonna go door to door gunning dow n people (10:44:14 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: they dot eed to (10:44:28 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: they ca do what the azis did to the jews (10:44:33 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: roud them all up (10:44:40 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: ad kill them e masse (10:44:57 PM) Chris Antenucci: so far they haven't done that, and until they sta rt, we should stay out

(10:45:04 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: right (10:45:09 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: ut chaces are they will (10:45:22 PM) Chris Antenucci: but who knows, so the debate we're having is what we do now (10:45:34 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: othg yet (10:45:47 PM) Chris Antenucci: like i said, we need to take out their chemical w eapons supplies (10:45:57 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: if we ca (10:46:04 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: chaces are we cat fid them (10:46:18 PM) Chris Antenucci: that has to be our goal, whether we can find them or not is a separate debate (10:46:23 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: sure (10:47:02 PM) Chris Antenucci: i can assure you, if and when the day ever comes when the rebels gain power, it'll be worse for the syrian people than under assa d, which is almost impossible (10:47:38 PM) Chris Antenucci: cause now a certain percent are dying, while many are living. under the rebels the vast majority will be oppressed under sharia law (10:48:12 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: it is just 2 differet types of evils (10:48:17 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: same ed result (10:48:27 PM) Chris Antenucci: def not (10:48:46 PM) Chris Antenucci: that's why the american motto was liberty or deat h (10:48:53 PM) Chris Antenucci: cause living under oppression is worse, and it's wrong (10:49:19 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: oppression eds evetually (10:49:28 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: death is permaet (10:49:44 PM) Chris Antenucci: oppression can take generations to end (10:49:58 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: it hast really happeed i moder times (10:50:06 PM) Chris Antenucci: oppression has always been worse, and it's worth fighting against and even dying for (10:50:15 PM) Chris Antenucci: not literal slavery but living under regimes (10:50:17 PM) Chris Antenucci: same thing (10:50:25 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: i kow (10:51:23 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: i the middle east such regimes usually dot las t log (10:51:37 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: at least ot the moder middle east ayway (10:51:42 PM) Chris Antenucci: what happened in egypt is the best comparison. m ubarak was a dictator and the people weren't very free, but they weren't being p ersecuted or living under sharia law either. Obama kicked him out and helped th e MB come to power. The MB ruled with an iron fist and persecuted anyone who di dn't agree with them, especially Christians (10:52:09 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: muarak didt use cemical weapos to massacre his people (10:52:22 PM) Chris Antenucci: right, which is why we have to destroy those weap ons (10:52:32 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: they ave oter meas (10:52:47 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: oms (10:52:48 PM) Chris Antenucci: can't read that (10:53:00 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: they have other meas (10:53:07 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: bobms (10:53:15 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: bombs (10:53:18 PM) Chris Antenucci: again, the main one is chemical, they haven't use d anything else so far (10:53:44 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: your poit is mute ecause te people i syria are already slaves uder assad (10:53:59 PM) Chris Antenucci: not like under the rebels. you just made my poin t for me. If they're already slaves under Assad and they'll be slaves under the rebels, what good is it for us to get involved and help the rebels come to powe r? They'll be just as brutal as Assad, and have already proven to be

(10:54:03 PM) Jonathan Antenucci: just a differet form of slavery (10:54:13 PM) Chris Antenucci: and even so, it's not our job to facilitate that transition (10:54:53 PM) Chris Antenucci: especially if we don't wanna start proxy wars wit h iran and russia (11:18:17 PM) Chris Antenucci: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2013/08/27 /ed_henry_grills_carney_about_getting_congressional_approval_for_attack_on_syria .html (11:18:38 PM) Chris Antenucci: carney got owned (1:35:23 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: http://video.foxnews.com/v/2632941348001/what-p resident-obama-should-do-about-syria/ (1:35:41 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: o'reilly say we souldd bom tem (1:36:02 AM) Chris Antenucci: i know (1:36:06 AM) Chris Antenucci: he's wrong (1:36:47 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: yeah (1:37:31 AM) Chris Antenucci: it's just dumb to bomb them (1:37:41 AM) Chris Antenucci: for the reasons i've already explained (1:37:45 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: yea (1:38:13 AM) Chris Antenucci: it'll get russia and iran involved too and we can' t afford a war right now (1:38:39 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: right (1:44:42 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: ltnt peters made the est poit (1:44:56 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: our enemies are killig oe aoher (1:46:00 AM) Chris Antenucci: right (1:53:42 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: i thik obama is goig to bomb them just tto keep his promise (1:53:51 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: sice they crossed his red lie (1:54:28 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: but with o strategy for istitutig democracy (1:56:16 AM) Chris Antenucci: remember when i said this is his first major inter national crisis, not like egypt and libya where he basically just aided masses o f people who were already gonna take down a regime. His entire 5 years in offic e he's been able to make mistakes and get away with stuff cause he could spin hi s mistakes in a way that made him look good. But you can't do that with a legit imate international crisis. He's clueless, and the only reason he's taking so l ong in deciding is cause he's weighing his political options to figure out what the best political result could be (2:50:36 AM) Chris Antenucci: the one question nobody has answered so far, which i find bizarre, is why is assad killing his own people? (2:51:00 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: tey would overtrow hhim (2:51:05 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: like i egypt (2:51:19 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: he saw te writig o te wall (2:52:14 AM) Chris Antenucci: but it's the rebels who would overthrow him, not t he average citizens, not women and children (2:58:10 AM) Chris Antenucci: http://www.understandingwar.org/report/assad-regim e (2:58:18 AM) Chris Antenucci: this is why we need to stay out of syria (2:58:40 AM) Chris Antenucci: this happened with assad's dad in the 80s, and gue ss who was trying to take him down? (2:58:43 AM) Chris Antenucci: the MB (2:59:32 AM) Chris Antenucci: i think i found the answer (3:01:48 AM) Chris Antenucci: assad isn't deliberately targeting the innocent ci tizens, he's trying to gas the rebels out of the major cities so his military ca n control those cities, and the only way to be sure they can't stay put in those urban areas is to gas everyone there since he knows the rebels hide among the p eople and use them as shields

(3:02:21 AM) Chris Antenucci: and it also sends the rebels a message that assad will do whatever it takes to hang on to power and destroy them (3:02:30 AM) Chris Antenucci: no matter how many innocent lives he claims (3:02:35 AM) Chris Antenucci: that's it (3:02:52 AM) Chris Antenucci: we can learn so much by studying history (3:03:40 AM) Chris Antenucci: Hafez al-Assad subdued the Muslim Brotherhood upri sing in the early 1980s through a counterinsurgency campaign that relied on thre e strategies for generating and employing military force: carefully selecting an d deploying the most trusted military units, raising pro-regime militias, and us ing those forces to clear insurgents out of major urban areas and then hold them with a heavy garrison of troops. Bashar al-Assad attempted unsuccessfully to em ploy the same strategy in 2011-2012. (3:04:40 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: yeahh (3:05:29 AM) Chris Antenucci: also, if you kill all the citizens, the rebels can 't hide among the people anymore (3:07:19 AM) Chris Antenucci: instead of targeting the rebels, they just decided it's easier to kill everyone in a city the rebels are holding cause that'll eit her kill the rebels or force them to flee, and gives another city to the militar y to take over (3:07:26 AM) Chris Antenucci: it all makes sense now (3:07:50 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: prety much war of attritio (3:09:07 AM) Chris Antenucci: now i realize there's gonna be many more deaths un less the US steps in (3:09:11 AM) Chris Antenucci: and i mean thousands (3:09:28 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: of course (3:10:01 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: that is te ratioal Oama will use for attackigg (3:10:28 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: witout avig a strategy for securig te coutry mi litrily (3:11:01 AM) Chris Antenucci: here's another reason why it's futile to intervene (3:11:09 AM) Chris Antenucci: Fears of retribution have pushed conventional and paramilitary loyalists to converge upon the common goal of survival, resulting i n a broadly cohesive, ultra-nationalist, and mostly-Alawite force. The remnants of the Syrian military and the powerful pro-regime militias are likely to wage a fierce insurgency against any opposition-led Sunni government in Syria if the A ssad regime collapses. Iran and Lebanese Hezbollah are likely to encourage the m ilitias and regime remnants to converge, supporting this transition to insurgenc y in order to preserve Iranian interests after Assad. (3:12:28 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: o te qustio is wat do we do if w ca fidd te cem icala wepos? (3:13:03 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: we will havee to itervee (3:13:28 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: too much pressure ot aat ome ad aroad for Oama ot to (3:14:01 AM) Chris Antenucci: we need to destroy the chemical weapons, but that' s it, not intervene in the fighting (3:14:45 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: whaat if we cat do the former? (3:14:57 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: which is very likely (3:15:09 AM) Chris Antenucci: if we can't find the weapons then we need to stay out (3:15:31 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: ad sit idly y durig a geocide? (3:15:52 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: Oama wo do that (3:16:07 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: it wold mak im look terrile (3:16:29 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: ad it hast een is MO thus far (3:16:31 AM) Chris Antenucci: im not saying what obama will do, im saying what w e should do (3:16:44 AM) Chris Antenucci: as i said, obama will bomb and intervene (3:17:11 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: so you have o reervatios aout lettig a geocide occur? (3:18:05 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: oee thig i agree with O'Reilly o (3:18:32 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: they are reakig te law of the Geeva Covetio (3:18:58 AM) Chris Antenucci: sure, but we can't intervene in every civil war ev

ery time a dictator breaks the rules of the geneva convention (3:19:06 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: te worst oes touh (3:19:43 AM) Jonathan Antenucci: o a scale tis ig (3:20:00 AM) Chris Antenucci: it's futile (3:21:06 AM) Chris Antenucci: cause if we intervene, assad still has chemical we apons, and will use them against us (3:21:28 AM) Chris Antenucci: and even if we succeed in throwing him out, he'll make sure to kill as many syrians as possible before he goes down (3:22:30 AM) Chris Antenucci: he'd rather have no syrian cities standing than so me standing with him out of power (3:23:25 AM) Chris Antenucci: http://www.cnn.com/2013/08/27/opinion/gingrich-syr ia-stay-out/index.html (3:23:28 AM) Chris Antenucci: he's right too (3:25:46 AM) Chris Antenucci: i also realized something else. Even though a dic tator doesn't mind killing his own people, when it involves mass killing it ofte n involves ethnic cleansing, cause you'd have to hate a certain group of people if you're willing to kill their women and children (3:25:59 AM) Chris Antenucci: i realized that before i did the research, and sur e enough that's involved (3:26:02 AM) Chris Antenucci: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2319734/Ha rrowing-image-ethnic-cleansing-Syria-militia-loyal-Assad-blamed-deaths-women-chi ldren.html ( Chris Antenucci: so everything i've sent you over the past hour is most of wha t you need to know about what's going on in syria, and pretty much none of it is covered by the media, including oreilly so far () Chris Antenucci: this isn't just a civil war, this is ethnic cleansing ( Chris Antenucci: i will admit, as a president it's really hard to sit back and let something like this happen, but sometimes you just can't stop things Chris Antenucci: otherwise we would've had to intervene in all the african coun tries that have had genocides over the past decades, and we haven't ( Chris Antenucci: the only diff is they weren't using chemical weapons, but the same results occurred ) Jonathan Antenucci: yea Jonathan Antenucci: you hhaave to pick your poiso ( Jonathan Antenucci: like Clito with osia ( Jonathan Antenucci: Bosia ( Jonathan Antenucci: Bush with Iraq ad Afghaista ( Jonathan Antenucci: eveery Pres has a crisis that requires military itervetio of somoee sort () Chris Antenucci: and most often the ones they get into are a mistake Jonathan Antenucci: cosequeces o loer matter whe the domestic ad itertioal outc ry is loudd eough Jonathan Antenucci: sure Jonathan Antenucci: just sayig as Pres sometimes you dot have a choice Chris Antenucci: you always have a choice, it's just that usually it's a lot ha rder to sit back and not do anything cause it seems like you're either afraid or don't care () Chris Antenucci: as ted cruz said yesterday, the US isn't the policeman of th e world, we're not required to intervene anywhere ( Jonathan Antenucci: it stopss eg a choice whe te pressure to itervee is isurmo utale Chris Antenucci: pressure is only based on perception, not necessarily doing wh at's right ( Jonathan Antenucci: ever said it was Chris Antenucci: in fact if you think about it, go back through our history and see which military interventions were good for us () Jonathan Antenucci: im sure there are plety () Chris Antenucci: clinton in afghanistan produced 9-11, vietnam was a disaster , iran contra was bad, iraq was bad, libya was a disaster, so was egypt, bay of pigs was

() Jonathan Antenucci: sure ut what were the alteratives? () Jonathan Antenucci: could ave een eve worse for all we kow () Chris Antenucci: either diplomatic measures or covert ops ) Jonathan Antenucci: well i the middle east most of the itervetios weere out us eddig oil Chris Antenucci: which was stupid since it wasn't necessary Chris Antenucci: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jul/22/syria-sunnis-fear -alawite-ethnic-cleansing Chris Antenucci: Communities of Sunnis that live in the country's coastal stret ch and along the so-called Alawite spine that runs south-east towards Damascus c laim evidence has emerged of attempts by the Assad regime to reshape the area's fragile ethnic mix moves that go far beyond consolidating security in loyalist a reas. Chris Antenucci: All property records for Homs were destroyed in a fire earlier this month at the office of the city's land registry and residents fear they ca n no longer enforce a claim to their land and homes."What else could be going on ?" asked one resident who refused to be identified. "This is the most secure are a of the city and it is the only building that has been burned. A conspiracy is underway." Chris Antenucci: disturbing but smart ( () Chris Antenucci: http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/08/28/senior-syrian-off icial-warns-if-u-s-strikes-damascus-well-set-tel-aviv-on-fire/ ( Chris Antenucci: they're bluffing ( Chris Antenucci: they're secretly afraid of being attacked cause they know it' ll topple assad ( Chris Antenucci: if they can't use chemical weapons they can't stop the rebels from overtaking cities and advancing A confident country doesn't threaten to attack another country before you even a ttack them. They just respond with force when attacked.