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I heard one person said they marked Ottomans as rivals, which allowed th em ally with the Mamluks. This prevented the Ottomans from attempting to storm C onstantinople. Any good ideas? I kept trying to raise relations, set it to Easy mode, b ut they still ended up wiping me off the map within 10 years. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:12 #2 ILoveEU ILoveEU is offline Corporal ILoveEU's Avatar EU3 CompleteDivine WindHeir to the Throne Join Date Jul 2013 Location Somewhere Posts 33 Try to ally with them.I dont know if it will work,since I dont have EU I V Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:13 #3 joelzhl joelzhl is offline First Lieutenant joelzhl's Avatar Crusader Kings IIEuropa Universalis: ChroniclesHearts of Iron III Collection Victoria 2500k club Europa Universalis IV: Pre-order Join Date Apr 2006 Posts 257 I my current game, Byzantine lost their capitol but got revived in Greec e due to a Ottoman peasant war. Right now they's almost completely reconquered a ll of greece Greece. Serbia is also pretty big and constantly bullying Ottoman. This all happened without my intervention. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:33 #4 Lon'Dozai Lon'Dozai is offline Second Lieutenant Lon'Dozai's Avatar Hearts of Iron 2: ArmageddonCrusader Kings IIEast India Company CollectionEU 3 CompleteDivine Wind For the MotherlandHearts of Iron IIIHOI3: Their Finest HourHeir to the Thron eKing Arthur II Lead and GoldThe Kings CrusadeMagickaMajesty 2March of the Eagles Rome GoldSemper FiSengokuSword of the StarsSword of the Stars II Victoria 2Rome: Vae VictisMount & Blade: WarbandWarlock: Master of the Arcan eMount & Blade: With Fire and Sword Pride of NationsRise of Prussia500k clubEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-orderEUIV : Call to arms event Join Date

Nov 2009 Posts 106 Quote Originally Posted by Kujila View Post I heard one person said they marked Ottomans as rivals, which allowed th em ally with the Mamluks. This prevented the Ottomans from attempting to storm C onstantinople. Any good ideas? I kept trying to raise relations, set it to Easy mode, b ut they still ended up wiping me off the map within 10 years. The way I got it to work is I moved everything to Greece, built to my la nd force limit (then turned army maintenance to zero to save money) and then jus t started building galleys. I went past the naval force limit and had to take ou t multiple loans to pay for it all. Once I had a fleet equal in size to the otto mans I waited for them to move their troops into Anatolia for when they go after the minors there. I then proceeded to blockade the crossing and declared war. S ince their armys were trapped on the other side I could just siege out the entir e area and got a peace deal for all of Greece. At this time Greek patriots also rose up and helped me, and some Bulgarian patriots too so the ottomans pretty mu ch lost the everything in the Balkans and Greece in that war as Bulgaria managed to form itself. You can also try allying with Wallachia, Serbia, and Bosnia and their forces can help you out. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:36 #5 Sepulcher Sepulcher is offline Second Lieutenant Sepulcher's Avatar Victoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided Join Date Mar 2013 Posts 131 Quote Originally Posted by Lon'Dozai View Post The way I got it to work is I moved everything to Greece, built to my la nd force limit and then just started building galleys. I went past he naval forc e limit and had to take out multiple loans to pay for it all. Once I had a fleet equal in size to the ottomans I waited for them to move their troops into Anato lia for when they go after the minors there. I then proceeded to blockade the cr ossing and declared war. Since their armys were trapped on the other side I coul d just siege out the entire area and got a peace deal for all of Greece. At this time Greek patriots also rose up and helped me, and some Bulgarian patriots too so the ottomans pretty much lost the everything in the Balkans and Greece in th at war as Bulgaria managed to form itself. You can also try allying with Wallach ia, Serbia, and Bosnia and their forces can help you out. +1 I did the same and I got this result: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=169671798 Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:42 #6 Lakedaimon Lakedaimon is online now Major Lakedaimon's Avatar Crusader Kings IIEU3 CompleteHearts of Iron IIIRome GoldVictoria 2 Victoria II: A House Divided500k clubEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-order

Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 581 Put all my military supply at minimum, built as many galleys as I could (around 20), allied serbia and walachia. Waited for the Ottomans to be at war wi th the mamluks, declared war on Athens and occupied everything on the european s ide while blocking the straight to the ottomans to prevent them from moving over . Took most of greece in that one war. After that I allied with mamluks and slow ly roflstomped them. Right now then have 4 provinces left which are entirely sur rounded by me, I did this to prevent other nations to declare war on them and sl owly eating away their cores before annexing. Took edina by supporting the rebbels there. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:43 #7 Emperor Marcus Emperor Marcus is offline Colonel Emperor Marcus's Avatar Crusader Kings IIEU3 CompleteDivine WindHeir to the ThroneImpire Rome GoldVictoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedVictoria II: Heart of Darknes sWarlock: Master of the Arcane 500k club Join Date Jun 2011 Posts 807 Quote Originally Posted by Sepulcher View Post +1 I did the same and I got this result: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=169671798 I did something similar but Ottomans usually ally up with crimera which adds another 10+ ships to any offensive war with them. In my ironman mode game I attacked Athens who was guaranteed by Ottomans to prevent them from going to ot toman side. Took most of greece except Moritsa something and greek patriots got that for me later. Wallachia i've fond out though mostly been fair-weather friends in most games only good for providing men for occupation and little else. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:45 #8 Emperor Marcus Emperor Marcus is offline Colonel Emperor Marcus's Avatar Crusader Kings IIEU3 CompleteDivine WindHeir to the ThroneImpire Rome GoldVictoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedVictoria II: Heart of Darknes sWarlock: Master of the Arcane 500k club Join Date Jun 2011 Posts 807 Quote Originally Posted by Sepulcher View Post

+1 I did the same and I got this result: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfile.../?id=169671798 What difficulty is that? :P be honest. I did mine in ironman mode and la st i left it in 1504 I only got Izmit and Hag in Anatolia. I didnt take many loa ns so i wouldnt be in trouble with inflation. Only times i did loans was in wars when things to too expensive. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:46 #9 Lakedaimon Lakedaimon is online now Major Lakedaimon's Avatar Crusader Kings IIEU3 CompleteHearts of Iron IIIRome GoldVictoria 2 Victoria II: A House Divided500k clubEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-order Join Date Mar 2012 Posts 581 I'm at 1553 now, I guess I've been trying to play it conservatively expa nding quite slowly. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 20:50 #10 GRFenrir GRFenrir is offline Reigning in Jomsborg GRFenrir's Avatar Crusader Kings IIEU3 CompleteEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-orderEUIV: Call to a rms event Join Date Jul 2008 Posts 38 Have your diplomats supporting revolts in all your cores constantly. Eve n if you fund them only 1%, there's still a +3 monthly revolt chance. Be sure to start out by sponsoring revolts in Athens, and within a year or two greek patri ots should oust the government. Keep supporting revolts in Naxos, Corfu, Cyprus and the Knights. With a little luck you'll get all of these after not too long, even if you're unlucky you're bound to get a few of them to join you. While doin g this you should be saving up money by keeping land/naval maintenance at 0%. Bu ild galleys whenever you can, and don't worry about going over forcelimits. Once you get your first idea, choose naval. Before you decide to take the fight to t he Ottomans, MAKE SURE their army is in Anatolia. Start siegeing their European provinces while blocking Sea of Marmara. Now, this is where it can get tricky, i f the Ottomans are allied with Crimea and the Crimean and Ottoman navy joins up, you're gonna have a problem. Try making sure that the Ottoman fleet is west of the Sea of Marmara, and the Crimean fleet is east before declaring war. The AI w on't attack the fleet unless they're actually coming from the same province, and since they're split, they won't attack you unless one of their fleets are power ful enough on their own. And don't waste money recruiting cavalry, you're only gonna be sieging. If the ottomans get their army across the Sea of Marmara no amount of cavalry is going to help you. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote

15-08-2013 20:53 #11 Gelon von Gela Gelon von Gela is offline Recruit Join Date Aug 2013 Location Austria Posts 4 Quote Originally Posted by Lon'Dozai View Post The way I got it to work is I moved everything to Greece, built to my la nd force limit (then turned army maintenance to zero to save money) and then jus t started building galleys. I went past the naval force limit and had to take ou t multiple loans to pay for it all. Once I had a fleet equal in size to the otto mans I waited for them to move their troops into Anatolia for when they go after the minors there. I then proceeded to blockade the crossing and declared war. S ince their armys were trapped on the other side I could just siege out the entir e area and got a peace deal for all of Greece. At this time Greek patriots also rose up and helped me, and some Bulgarian patriots too so the ottomans pretty mu ch lost the everything in the Balkans and Greece in that war as Bulgaria managed to form itself. You can also try allying with Wallachia, Serbia, and Bosnia and their forces can help you out. Have you tried this in the ironman mode? The Ottomans always attack me b efore I am able to build a noticable fleet Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:01 #12 Lon'Dozai Lon'Dozai is offline Second Lieutenant Lon'Dozai's Avatar Hearts of Iron 2: ArmageddonCrusader Kings IIEast India Company CollectionEU 3 CompleteDivine Wind For the MotherlandHearts of Iron IIIHOI3: Their Finest HourHeir to the Thron eKing Arthur II Lead and GoldThe Kings CrusadeMagickaMajesty 2March of the Eagles Rome GoldSemper FiSengokuSword of the StarsSword of the Stars II Victoria 2Rome: Vae VictisMount & Blade: WarbandWarlock: Master of the Arcan eMount & Blade: With Fire and Sword Pride of NationsRise of Prussia500k clubEuropa Universalis IV: Pre-orderEUIV : Call to arms event Join Date Nov 2009 Posts 106 Quote Originally Posted by Gelon von Gela View Post Have you tried this in the ironman mode? The Ottomans always attack me b efore I am able to build a noticable fleet I did this on the default difficultly and not in ironman mode. So things might go differently in that mode though I've also read that the game will go d ifferent depending on what missions the ottomans get and if they build up their fleet any. So you might just be getting bad luck and the ottomans getting missio ns to go after you early on. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:04 #13

Sepulcher Sepulcher is offline Second Lieutenant Sepulcher's Avatar Victoria 2Victoria II: A House Divided Join Date Mar 2013 Posts 131 Quote Originally Posted by Emperor Marcus View Post What difficulty is that? :P be honest. I did mine in ironman mode and la st i left it in 1504 I only got Izmit and Hag in Anatolia. I didnt take many loa ns so i wouldnt be in trouble with inflation. Only times i did loans was in wars when things to too expensive. No Bonus', Ai difficulty high. Ironman mode is off because I like to use the console to do things like change sound track. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:04 #14 Wardok Wardok is offline Captain Wardok's Avatar Lead and GoldMarch of the EaglesSword of the Stars IIMount & Blade: WarbandM ount & Blade: With Fire and Sword 500k clubEuropa Universalis IV Join Date Jun 2012 Location The Anus of the World Posts 386 flee out to crete or cyprus. Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, Don't mess with the HRE they will Crush you! Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:09 #15 skynet464 skynet464 is offline Captain skynet464's Avatar Crusader Kings IICommander: Conquest of the AmericasDungeonlandEast India Co mpany CollectionEU3 Complete Divine WindFor the MotherlandHearts of Iron IIIHOI3: Their Finest HourHeir t o the Throne Leviathan: WarshipsMarch of the EaglesVictoria: RevolutionsRome GoldSemper F i SengokuSword of the Stars IIVictoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedVictoria I I: Heart of Darkness Rome: Vae VictisMount & Blade: WarbandWar of the Roses500k clubEuropa Univer salis IV: Pre-order EUIV: Call to arms event Join Date Feb 2012 Posts 343

annex_TUR Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:13 #16 pleinair00 pleinair00 is offline Recruit Crusader Kings II Join Date Jul 2012 Posts 2 I just did this today..I restarted 8 times ( playing on normal , with hi storical realms on so ottomans had a boost. ), attempting the naval strategy tha t most people are talking about here, but I found the ottomans would declare war on me before i was ready, or they'd ally with crimea and have even more ships, and so on. This could've still been luck, but I found the way I managed to do it in the end was decalre war on Trebizond on day 1 before unpause, it was really easy to take. After this, the ottomans had all their army in turkey and i'd been build ing galleys the whole time ( and taken a few loans, but I only built ships, no t roops. ) I figured by having Trebizond the ottomans wanted it the most, cos they declared war on me shortly after and they sacked trebizond quickly. But i had 16 -something galleys at this point , merged with the barque you start with and the cogs, and was able to hold the sea of marmara. I did what everyone else said then, and just sacked as much of greece an d bulgaria as possible, I also declared war on Athens and took them out since th e ottomans couldnt protect them. It was relatively easy to conquer everything back then and re-establish the thema system, I put massive priority on the blockade and just kept swiping a ll of greece piecemeal. I found it was very helpful to incite rebellions in Rhodes, Kaffa and cy prus also. They all flipped to me without any extra work on my part. The next time I do this though i'm definetly taking off historical bonus es to weaken ottomans a bit, and I think i'd lower army maint to lowest asap and incite a rebellion in athens. edit: oops you can incite a rebellion in Corfu to Last edited by pleinair00; 15-08-2013 at 21:18. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:15 #17 Emperor Marcus Emperor Marcus is offline Colonel Emperor Marcus's Avatar Crusader Kings IIEU3 CompleteDivine WindHeir to the ThroneImpire Rome GoldVictoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedVictoria II: Heart of Darknes sWarlock: Master of the Arcane 500k club Join Date Jun 2011 Posts 807

Quote Originally Posted by Wardok View Post flee out to crete or cyprus. Crete is venician and Cyprus is guaranteed by mamlukes :P Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:18 #18 Wardok Wardok is offline Captain Wardok's Avatar Lead and GoldMarch of the EaglesSword of the Stars IIMount & Blade: WarbandM ount & Blade: With Fire and Sword 500k clubEuropa Universalis IV Join Date Jun 2012 Location The Anus of the World Posts 386 mamluks don't do jack most of the time though they are stuck in a war wi th ottomans 4 of 5 games for me. so i can go out to cyprus shove a flag up their ass and claim it for Byzantium Roses are Red, Violets are Blue, Don't mess with the HRE they will Crush you! Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:21 #19 Kujila Kujila is offline Second Lieutenant Kujila's Avatar A Game of DwarvesCities in MotionCrusader Kings IIDarkest HourEU3 Complete Divine WindFor the MotherlandHearts of Iron IIIHOI3: Their Finest HourHeir t o the Throne ImpireSemper FiSword of the Stars IISupreme Ruler 2020 GoldSupreme Ruler: Co ld War StarvoidVictoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedMount & Blade: WarbandWarlock: Master of the Arcane Mount & Blade: With Fire and SwordCK2: Holy Knight500k clubEuropa Universali s IV: Pre-order Join Date Aug 2009 Posts 114 Blog Entries 1 Venice hates me for some reason as well.... took me out when I was makin g grounds against ottoman menace. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote 15-08-2013 21:35 #20 Kiithis Kiithis is offline Grand Poobah Kiithis's Avatar Crusader Kings IIEuropa Universalis 3EU3 CompleteDivine WindFor the Motherla nd

Hearts of Iron IIIHeir to the ThroneMarch of the EaglesEuropa Universalis: R omeSemper Fi Supreme Ruler: Cold WarVictoria 2Victoria II: A House DividedVictoria II: He art of DarknessMount & Blade: Warband Mount & Blade: With Fire and SwordCK2: Holy Knight500k clubEuropa Universali s IV: Pre-order Join Date Jan 2008 Location On the other side of the Fog of War Posts 365 In my byz game I have retaken the entire Anatolian peninsula and all of the Balkans, converted all Turkish provinces to Greek orthodox and have a PU wit h Muscovy. I started out by taking athens while the ottomans were in a war with high WE and ended up taking athens and one of their provinces. In short, hit the m like a buzzard hits a corpse. Watch for them to go to war with others and or m assive rebels. Reply With Quote Reply With Quote + Reply to Thread Page 1 of 2 1 2 Next LastLast Previous Thread | Next Thread Posting Permissions You You You You may may may may not not not not post post post edit new threads replies attachments your posts

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