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Record of Interview/
Title Interview with Tim Goyer and INS Inspections
Purpose Toidjscuss INS processes for visa revocations and to discuss
available data On revocations
Contact Method / In-pe'rson\w
Contact Place \; Lookout Unit; 1525 Wilson Blvd. Suite 425, Rosslyn, VA.
Contact Date January 29 ii
Participants J Tifri Goyer
GAP: Judy McCloskey, Kate Brentzel, Jay Jennings
Comments/Remarks: /

We met withlv Jand Tim Goyer to deterrnifte the actions they take to process visa
revocations jind to discuss the type of revocation data available at their office.

L _~jsaid that sjie receives notification from State through faxed revocation certificates and
through cables (State/prepares cables on each revocation which are sent to posts and also to INS
rters. Cables that arrive at INS headquarters are then serit through interagency mail to| |
O t her Rosslyji location) j
receives the faxed revocation certificate.
[said that $or^etimes site receives the cable before she
\e faxes revocation certificate to this number: 202-30

from 7am to 6:30 pm (Monday through Friday? we needto check this)::Once the revocation
certificate is received, the data from the certificate is ad^ed fnto NAJLSj paid that 95
percent of "adds"/are done on the same day that they are received, although if the fax arrives at
6:15pm in the evening, it will most likely be entered into NAILS the next day. Once it has been
entered into NAjLS, it gets uploaded into IBIS at midnight of the same day.| [said that she
files all of the faxed revocation notifications chronologically.

Prudential Revocation vs. Revocations

Ms. said that the INS does not differentiate between "prudential revocations" and "revocations"
like State does.

Condor 105/

L Jrestated some information on the status of the Condor. 105 "which she covered in her
first briefing for us (see doc 780929 for write-up). She provided us\e list of the 46 names that
State sent her in December 2002 (the list contains the same 105 nafties that we have on our list of
105, but Jim Pritchitt at State wrote "OK" beside 59 names and told) that the Foreign
Terrorist Tracking Task Force [FTTTF] had cleared those 59 individuals).]. Jresearched
the 46 names on NAILS and NIIS and determined that 1 individual had entered the U.S. and already
left but that 7 had entered and remained in the U.S.; she did not have exit information on these 7.

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L Jresearch on the 46 consists of: a copy of the faxed revocation certificate, the NAILS
entry on the individual;..and the NIIS record if applicable. Mr. Goyer agreed to let us have copies of
this information. We said that we would like to return to their office to do similar research on the
remaining 59. IVJr. Goyer said that we would have to make this request in writing to one of his
supervisors, Mike Cronin.

\Data Issues

Whije discussing the revocation process at INS,i _|mentioned several problems with data
that is shared between agencies. For example:

• Name data may differ slightly between FTTTF, State and IBIS.
\ Revocation certificates contain the individual's name, date and place of birth but they do
not list the passport number.) paid that it might help to include the passport
Dumber on the revocation certificates so that she can enter it into NAILS. She also said that
\t would help if INS received all the information from the Consular Consolidated Database,
such as the visa photo.
• Foi; individuals with 5 or more names, it is sometimes impossible for INS to determine
from the revocation certificate which is the last name(s) and which is the first name(s).
it would help if State put the last name in all capital letters.
• CLASS has a real-time feed into IBIS but not all CLASS records are automatically
downloaded into IBIS and NAILS.

Further Work at INS

We ascertained that by doing data collection at the Lookout Unit, we could get access to NAILS,
IBIS, and NIIS. We would also have access to hard copies of all revocation certificates received
from State.

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