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Analog Design
06-06-06 15:09
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raylito
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06-06-06 15:45
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manasiri
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75 ohm impedance
YOu should consider the following notes:
The voltage reflection off of your 75 ohm input is = (50-75)/(50+75)= 0.2 So the voltage transmission into your 75 ohm input is T = 1 - (0.2) = 0.96 in dB's, that means you will loose 20 Log (0.96) = 0.35 dB of power due to the mismatch. It would probably be hard to find a broadband transformer for a 50:75 ohm match that had less than 0.4 dB of loss! but the following site may help you for finding good transformers h**p://www.maurymw.com/products/rfac/cxadptrs/8882/8882.htm
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06-06-06 15:51
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raylito
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75 ohm to 50 ohm
Is there a way of doing it without using a transformer? I hear the BH1415 burns out after about an hour if I put the 75 Ohm output directly to a 50 Ohm load.
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06-06-06 15:59
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50 ohm vs 75 ohm
I would probably use the pi attenuator as the 1.57 Ohm resistor would be difficult to come by, unless I use some resistors in parallel.
If I put the -7dB output into the Pi attenuator, then I'll have say -13dB, which gets fed iinto the Mar-8asm chip. The gain on the Mar-8asm chip is about 30db. This would mean I have a gain of 17dB. What would the milliwatts be for this? About 5 mWatt? Could I then take the output from the one mar-8asm and amplify it again using another mar-8asm, or should I use a different amplifier? This all seems a bit too simple - I know I'm going to run into some practical problems.. Do you know what problems I may encounter with this? Thanks
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06-06-06 16:28
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If you can tolerate the losses in your path a simple resistive pad can be used
I guess that you're using special problem , Can u plz upload it Thanks .
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75 to 50 ohm match
The pad shown is for 6dB and with the MAR8 not to run it into compression you should use around 12dB cause of the 30dB gain of the MAR
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The voltage reflection off of your 75 ohm input is = (50-75)/(50+75)= 0.2 So the voltage transmission into your 75 ohm input is T = 1 - (0.2) = 0.96
in dB's, that means you will loose 20 Log (0.96) = 0.35 dB of power due to the mismatch.
ehh - you mean 10 * log10(0.96) = -0.177 dB ie. square 0.2 voltage ratio give 0.04 in power ratio. 10 * log10(0.04) = -13.94 ie. 14 dB in return loss. or, i thinking wrong ??? Added after 30 minutes:
Originally Posted by raylito
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an hour if I put the 75 Ohm output directly to a 50 Ohm load. I am thinking of amplifying it using a Mar-8ASM chip.
14 dB in return loss (4% reflected power compare to outgoing) is not so much. is two factor can kill RF-drivers. 1. to much output power reflected back and amplifier structure is not build to handle absorbed heat of this - many big power amplifier build on this way and using circulators on output for protection. 2. outgoing wave together reflected wave can give so high voltage or current (depend of phase angle) and break down amplifier structure (FET and MOS channel). this situation can exist on days very optomized low voltage power amplifier for mobile equipment. Most case of RF-output designed for unconditional stability ie. load impedance can place every point inside the Smithchart circle inclucive open and shorted output without damage or oscillating. 50 <-> 75 Ohm step is not problem in most case. In bigger RF-system you cannot calculate better return loss than 14 dB and needs handle this well - 50 <-> 75 Ohm step give around 14 dB return loss.
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