DeborahTavaresInterviewwithBarrieTrower

BarrieTrowersbackgroundandpersonalwarninginhisownwords:Intheveryearly1960s Itrainedwiththegovernmentmicrowavewarfareestablishment.Ilookedatallaspectsof microwavewarfareandwhenIfinishedmytimeinthemilitary,becauseIhadalotofexpertise inthemicrowavefield,IwasaskedifIwouldcarryonwiththisresearch.WeareinanewCold Warandthisiswhycountriesaredevelopingthis.Andthisiswhyallthemicrowave transmittersaregoingupeverywherebecausesomebody,iftheywantedto,couldusethemfor othereffects.Thesystemisupandrunning.Yearsagoourgovernmentsaidtoourscientists whenitcomestomicrowavesyouwillonlytalkaboutthingstodowithheat,andthatisit.So theywontevendiscussanythingelse.Theywilldenyanythingthatdoesnthaveanythingtodo withheat.Theyevendenyalltheir40yearsofresearchleadinguptothis,althoughtheyvesaid thatthiscancausecancerandallthedamage,theysaynoitcant.Wereonlylookingatheat andheatisallthatmatters.Soforthelast40yearstheEnglishgovernmenthasbeenlyingto thepeople.AndtheAmerican,theCanadian,theAustralian,theyhavebeenlying.Theyhave beenlyingtoprotectindustry,toprotecttheirprofits,toprotectthemselvesfromlawsuits.So theyarereallyjustliarsanditisprovable,sanctionedbytheWorldHealthOrganization, withoutashadowofadoubt.ItisthesamepeoplethatsitontheICNAPcertificate,sitonour governmenthealthprotectionagencies,sitontheWorldHealthOrganization....itisthesame people.Thereareprobablynomorethan20ofthem.But,yes,theyaregoingto,inmyopinion, committheworstgenocidethisplanethaseverknown,notjustpeople,butanimalsandplants. Theyareprobablygoingtocausemoredestructionthanaglobalwar,andinseveralhundred yearstime,peoplewilllookback,whoeversurvives,andlookatwhatwetriedtodotostop them. DeborahTavares:Hello.ThisisDeborahTavareswithStoptheCrime.netandImherewith BarrieTrowerfromtheUKandweregoingtobeandweregoingtobetalkingabout specificallythisdocumenttodaywhichwasfoundontheWhiteHousewebsiteanditisentitled RealizingtheFullPotentialofGovernmentHeldSpectrumtoSpurEconomicGrowth.Anditsays PresidentsCouncilofAdvisorsonScienceTechnology,datedJuly20,2012. NowwerequitehonoredtohaveanopportunitytodiscussthisdocumentwithBarrietoday. AndalittlebitaboutBarrie,heis,ofcourse,visitingtheUnitedStatesrightnowfromtheUK andintheveryearly60shewastrainedinmicrowavewarfarebythemicrowavewarfare establishmentandhelookedataspectsofmicrowavewarfareandwhenhefinishedthetime thathespentinthemilitaryhehadalotofexpertiseinthemicrowavefieldandhewasasked tocarryonwiththisresearch.Anditwasanewcoldwarthathediscoveredwithmicrowaves. Wouldtherebeanythingelseyouwouldliketoaddtothat?

BarrieTrower:Onlythatmicrowavesfromthe50swereusedasastealthweaponastheystill aretoday,onlytheyreobviouslymuch,muchmoresophisticated.The50swasreallyatrial timewheredifferentcountrieswerejustusingpeoplewhohadnochoice,prisoners,psychiatric patients,dissidents,anditwasreallybeampeoplewiththisandseehowlongittakesthispulse frequencytohaveanyeffectand,ifitdoes,wetryadifferenttypeofgroup.Therewere25 differentcategoriesofpeopleincludingchildrenandpregnantwomen.Twentyfivedifferent categories,andsofromthe50s,60s,70s,80swevebeendevelopingmicrowaveweapons rightuptotodayandtheyareincrediblysophisticatedtoday.Soifanygovernmentsaysthat microwaveshavenoeffectonyou,thequestionisthenwhyhaveyoubeenspendingbillions uponbillionsofdollarswiththemilitaryforthelastsixtyyearsimprovingthem? DeborahTavares:Thatwouldbetrueandinthisdocument,Barrie,ithaslistedanumberof expertsthatareinvolvedinthisparticulartechnologyandinthisparticulardocumentandIll justnameafewofthoseexpertsnow.TheyrecalledtheKeyMembersandSpectrumExperts. Andtheywouldinclude,andnotlimitedto,StanfordUniversity,because,ofcourse,many universitiesareinvolvedinthistechnologythatarefundedbythemilitary.ButtheWhite HouseSpectrumManagementteamisGoogle,Microsoft,StanfordandHarvardUniversities. AndIwanttodrawtheattentiontoHarvardUniversityasbeingoneoftheuniversitiesinvolved intheoriginationofSilentWeapons,QuietWarstechnicalmanualthatisonStoptheCrime.net, butalsoVirginiaTech,UCBerkeley,theNationalCommunicationsandTelecommunications Association,theFCCandNSA,andmanyothersthatareinvolvedinthisaswell. Soaswegothroughthis,Barrie,Iwouldlikeforyoutoexplainsomeofwhatyouseeinthis document,ifyouwould,becauseitsgoingthroughthirteenpages,andtheyretalkingabout whatthepurposeofthespectrumisandifwecouldjustflipslowlyeachportionrepresentsone pagethatisonourwebsite. BarrieTrower:Oneofthethingsyousaid,theuniversities,forinstance,theymaynotbeguilty. AndIcangiveyouanexample.Thegovernmentholdsmassiveamountsoffundsforresearch andtheuniversitiesapplyforresearchgrants.NowtogiveyouoneexampleintheUnited States,thegovernmentaskedoneuniversityifitcoulddeviseamethodwherebyifyoubeamed microwavesintosomebodysearsthevibrationalfrequenciesinthecochlea,theywould actuallyproducesoundinthepersonheadsonobodyelsearoundcouldhear,justtheone personbeingbeamedcouldhearthesound.AndtheUniversitywastoldthiswouldaidthe deafenormouslybecausepeoplecouldtalkintoadeviceandtheywouldjusthearitstraight through.Itwasalsopickedupbythesuperstoremanufacturerswhosaidwecouldalsouse thisforgoodbecauseifwehaveshoplifters,wecanbeamthepulsefrequenciestothe shoplifterstosay,Yourebeingwatched.Putthisdown.Wellpreventcrime,andthatwas usedforgood.Itdidnttakepeopleverylong,especiallythemilitaryandothersuperstoresto

think,well,hangon,wecanusethisforourowndevices.Sothemilitarycannowputvoices intopeoplesheadstodowhateverdeedtheywishittoachieve,andthesuperstoreshavealso realizedthatratherthansayputthatdown,youregoingtostealit,ifyoureindecisiveand youreshopping,theycansayyoureallydowanttobuythis,andafterninemonths,andIgot thefigurefromoneofyourcalls,somebodytookoneofyoursuperstorestocourtforbeaming them.Andtheymadeaphenomenalprofitinjustninemonths,phenomenalprofit.But becauseyourFederalCommunicationsCommitteesaysthatmicrowavesweresafe,thecase fell. SoallImsayingisthatwhenyourereadingouttheuniversities,theymaybeactingtotally innocentlyanditmaybethattherecipients,aftertheresearchisdone,saynowwewillturn thistoouradvantage. DeborahTavares:Andthatsbecausesomuchiscompartmentalizedandthatshowtheykeep thismonsterescalatingtothedegreethattheyare. BarrieTrower:Yes.Itsperception. DeborahTavares:Absolutely.WhatIfindsotrueintheSilentWeaponsdocumentisthatthey talkabouttherealandthestatedgoalsandweresayingwhattherealgoalsarebutwhat theytellusiswhatthestatedgoalsare.Sowerebuyingalotoftheseadvancementsin technologybasedonwhatsoundsgoodasastatedgoal,butthentherestherealgoal.AndI thinkasaglobalpopulationwhenyoulookattheSilentWeaponsprotocol,that44page documentthatwespokeaboutjustabitago,wecanseethatthisisawellplannedprogram overallbyafew,andsocertainlywhilemanyareunaware,afeware;themostwealthy, knowledgeable,theonesinthetechnologies,tocarrythisoutwithoutourknowledgeor consent. BarrieTrower:Thisisfromaprogramin1976.Icantellyoubyitstitlethatitwasaprogramin 1976becausein1976yourgovernmentproducedalistofalloftheillnessesthatyoucan developfromcontinuouslowlevelmicrowaveradiation,everything,physiological,neurological illnesses.ButinthesamedocumentthatwasreleasedundertheFreedomofInformationAct, andIreferenceditinmylatestpaperthatImreadingfromtonight.Ifyougetacopyofthat paper,itsreferencedinthat.Butwhatyourgovernmentalsodidthatwasrathernaughty;they askedalltheothergovernmentsintheworld,theinfluentialgovernmentsintheworld, basicallytodeceivethepublic.Andtheyweretodeceivethepublicreallyfortworeasons.The firstistoavoidlawsuits,andthesecondwastoprotectindustrialprofit. DeborahTavares:Sothebottomlineismassivecorporateprofit.

BarrieTrower:AndyourgovernmentprinteditandIvewrittenitdown.Theysaythat, basically,thepublicmustbedeceivedtoprotectindustrialprofitandthisishere,itsinthetitle, EconomicGrowth. DeborahTavares:ThatsexactlyrightandalsointheSilentWeaponsdocument,whichyoure wellawareof,theyalsotalkaboutthekeytoglobalcontrolisthroughenergy.Andweseethat happeningnowwiththefrequenciesandthemicrowaves.Itsallenergy.Wereenergy.And theywanttocontrolitall,evenus. BarrieTrower:Thereisacounterargument.Ideliberatelydonottakesides.Ilookat argumentsfrombothsidesandIdecidemyselfwhoIthinkisrightandwrong.Butacounter argumentthatIdonotacceptfromtheEnglishortheAmericangovernments,isthatenemy countriesarealsodevelopingthistechnology.Iknowfortycountriesthataredevelopingthis. Andtheirargumentisthatifothercountriesaredevelopingthistechnology,wehaveto developitinordertodefeatit.Okaysofar,butIdontgoalongwiththeargumentthatyou mustuseyourownpeopleforexperiments.SotheyareusingAmericansforexperiments. Therearefortysomecountriesdevelopingthistechnologyandthegovernmentsarguethatfor combat,ifthewaveswereusedontheUnitedStates,theUnitedStateswouldknowexactly whattolookfor,theywouldknowthefrequencies,theycanjamthem.AndIcangoalongwith that.Wepaygovernmentstoprotectus.WhatIcannotgoalongwithisthefactthat25 categoriesofpersonswithouttheirchoiceandinmanycaseswithouttheirknowledge,are beingexperimenteduponwiththeseparticularfrequenciestocauseallofthis.Thatiswrong. DeborahTavares:Nowwould,sayatthispoint,attheincreasedleveloftechnology,thatwere roughlyunawarethattheyhaveanadvancedtechnologybase50yearsbeyondourevenbeing awareofwhattheyhaveavailable? BarrieTrower:Areyouasking...ImnotsureIfullyunderstandthequestion,sorry. DeborahTavares:Whatweunderstandisthatminimallythereisa50yearadvancementof technologiesthatareoutthereaheadoftimethatwerenotevenawareexistrightnow. BarrieTrower:No.No.Youcanthavetechnology50yearshence.Youcanhaveideas50 yearshence.Youcannothavetechnology50yearshencebecausetheworldcantkeepthat manysecrets.Igotocountriesallovertheworld.IgotocountriesthatdespisetheUnited StatesandIgotocountriesthatlovetheUnitedStates.Igotocountriesthatareatwarwith countriesIvejustleft.AndIreallydonttakeastandfororagainstanybody.Butthescientific communitythatItalkwithattheseconferences,theyoftensaytome,ifyougotothiscountry, pleasewarnthemaboutthis.Scientists,inthewhole,donotwantmassgenocide.Theydo notwanttotalgovernmentcontrolbecausetheyhavefamiliesandchildrenandgrandchildren

andgreatgrandchildren.AndalotofthehelpthatIgetarefromtalkingvirtuallyallnightto internationalscientistswhosaywell,wevedonethisandtheywillalsosaywellwevedone thatandifyouputthesetwotogetheritagreeswithwhathesays.Scientiststalkand50 yearshence,itwouldntbekeptsecret.Theideascanbethere,buttheknowledgewhichI havetodayofwhereweareatthemomentcannotbeexceededbecausewedonothavethe peoplethatclevertoexceedit. DeborahTavares:Wouldyousaythatasfarasthemicrowavetargetingofmasspopulations now,whichiswhatthisisshowing(holdsWhiteHousedocumentup),istheintentionwhere weweretalkingaboutmorespecifictargetedpeoplehundredsofthousandsglobally? BarrieTrower:Yes. DeborahTavares:Nowwerelookingatamapthatreallydoesshowamasstargeting particularlyoftheUnitedStates? BarrieTrower:Ohyes.Absolutely.ReallythisisoneoftheideasbehindtheSmartMeter wheretheyputthemoneverybodyshomes.Whattheycandonow.Theycanwatchevery singlepersoninthathouse.Theycanwatchyougotobed.Theycanwatchwhatyouredoing inbed.Theycanwatchyouonthetoiletandinthebath.Theycanheareverysingleword youresaying.Theyhaveamachinewhichwillmeasureyourhormonelevels.Theyhavea machine,providedtheyrewithina150feet,theycanmeasureyourbrainactivityandtheycan eventellwhatframeofmindyourein.Now,iftheycandothistoanentirepopulation,most peoplewouldnotlikeitdonetothembutwouldbeunaffected,andfromthegovernmentpoint ofviewis,werereallynotinterestedin98%ofthepopulationanyway,butwewantthe2% thatcouldbedangeroustotheAmericancitizens.Butthatdoesntapply.Theythendoonto say,Wellhangon,theresagrouptherethatareobstructingusdoingthis,demonstrators. Wellwatchthose.Andthenyougettopeopleofspecificreligions,andpeoplewithlonghair, andpeoplewhosmokecannabis,andthelevelcomesdownanddownanddowntothepoint wheretheyreactuallymonitoringabout75%ofthepopulationandtheyhavethecomputer technologytodothis. DeborahTavares:Well,thatiswhatwereunderstandingistheintentionofthis(holdingup theWhiteHousedocument).Andwhatthisisofcoursedepictingispsychotronicweaponsfor massmindcontrolandaboutquantumcomputersandmindcontrol,mindtheft,andinvasion ofthehumanbrainwithartificialintelligence.Couldyouexplaintopeoplewhatthatmeans. BarrieTrower:Thefirstthing,withthis(referringtotheWhiteHousedocument)whenyou blanketawholearea,therearedifferentreasonsformonitoringpopulations,andrightnowin theUnitedStatestherecouldbetomyknowledgebetween40to45countriesblanketing peoplewithmicrowaves,andallyouneedisafewvehicles,blanketingpeoplewithmicrowaves

forspecificpurposes.NowIgrewupintheColdWarerawithspies,andforgetJamesBondor anythingsillylikethat,themainweaponofaspy,anyspyfromanycountry,themainweapon isblackmail.Thatisthemainweapon.Because,forinstance,ifImfromacountryandIwant togetaspyintotheUnitedStatestheyregoingtoneeddocumentation.Togetapassportora birthcertificateorsomeformofdocumentationyouneedaprofessionalpersonortwo,likea lawyer,tosignanaffidavitorsomethingtosayIhaveknownthispersonsincetheywerezero yearsold,theyarenow22.Icanidentifythem...everything.Theyareaperson.Togeta professionalpersonlikealawyer,ifyoublanketanareawithmicrowaves,youknowevery conversationtheyrehaving,youknowwheretheygo,whattheyredoing.Forinstance,ifyou haveapersonwhoisapedophile,apersonwhohasamistressortwo,apersonwhoisasecret alcoholicorgamblerandtheywouldlosetheirjobifitbecameknown,alltheyhavetodoisgo uptothatpersonandsayisthisiswhatwehaveonyou,andyourefromanothercountry obviously,thisiswhatwehaveonyouandwewillgiveyouachoiceandyoumakeyour decisionnow.Andthisiswhattheydo.Youmakeyourdecisionnow.Eitherthisgoesinyour localpressintheSundaynewspaperoryouwillloseyourjob,yourchildrencomeoutof universitywithdisgrace,yourwifewillleaveyouandrunawayandhide,youwillloseyour house,everything,andyouwillneverworkagain.Youwillbeabeggaronthestreets,ifyoure lucky.Oryoucansignthispieceofpapertosayyouknowthisindividual.Theyrean upstandingperson.Theydeservethepassport.Theydeserveajobreferencebecausethey shouldgetthisjob.Youllhighlyrecommendthat.Youwillsignitandwewillgoaway.Youwill neverseeusagain.Mostpeople,giventensecondsthought,willsignandwalkawayand breatheasighofrelief.ThatiswhyIsuspectthis,theblanketingthewholearea(pointstothe WhiteHousedocument).ItmaynotbetheUnitedStates.Itcouldbeupto40countries.AndI canassureyouthereareatleast40countrieswhowouldliketogetspiesintheUnitedStates. Andwhentheyrein,theyrein.Thenitgoesonfromthere. Idontlikethewordmindcontrolbecauseyoudontreallycontrolthemind.Youcanchange ittoactinadifferentbehavior,butyoudonotpermanentlycontrolit.Youcanmakepeopledo things,andthatsveryeasy.Icoulddoit.Icoulddoittoyouinlessthanthreedays. DeborahTavares:Suchasassassins? BarrieTrower:Icouldturnyouintoanassassininlessthanthreedays.Thatseasy.Sothere arelots,andlotsandlotsofdifferentreasonsforblanketinganareaandwatchingpeople.And 98%ofthepopulationprobablywouldnotbeaffected,butitisthefactthatyouhaveno choice.Andifyouupsetsomebodyinthegovernment,theycanabusetheirauthorityand targetyou.

DeborahTavares:Inthisdocumentthatisactuallynexttothemapthatisinthedocument itself(showingtheWhiteHousedocument)itsaysthattheywilluseextendedwhitespace systemalreadyinoperationasastartingsystem. BarrieTrower:Thereisacontradictionintermstherebecausewhitezones,whitearea,white spaceisusuallyanareatotallyfreefromradiationoritcanmeananareawhichisblanketed likeawhiteblanketacrossanarea,sodifferentcountriesusedifferentterms.Soitcouldmean atotallyfreearea,azonefreearea,oritcouldmeananareawhichisalreadytotallyblanketed sothatnoothercountrycanputtheirfrequencyintothisareabecauseitwouldbejammedand onlytheUnitedStateswillcontrolthisarea. DeborahTavares:Okay,soinrespecttothisdocument,thiscouldbeawhitespacethenin placethatwouldprotecttheUnitedStates. BarrieTrower:Thisdocumentissoblandthatwhenyoureadanythingitcouldmeanthreeor fourdifferentthings.Itreallyissoblandanddeliberatelyso. DeborahTavares:Yes,exactly.Well,theyalsotalkaboutmodifyingtherulestoallowgeneral authorizedaccessdevicestooperateintwobands.Areyoufamiliarwithwhatthismaymean? BarrieTrower:Again,therearearound300,000millionbandstheycouldusesowhichever onestheyretalkingaboutIdontknow.Again,itisntspecificenough.Itsoundsinterestingto thepersonandprofitableandtechnologyisgoingtoroll,butwhattheyaregoingtodowithit isanybodysguess.Thiswaswrittenincaseitfellintoenemyhandssopeoplewouldnt understandwhattheyweredoingorcleverpeoplewouldntunderstandwhattheyweredoing. DeborahTavares:Well,wedoknowonethingjustbythetitlewhichIknowyouvediscussed inIrelandwhenyoubroughtthisdocumentup,whereitsaidrealizingthefullpotentialof governmentheldspectrumtospureconomicgrowth.Andtheeconomicgrowthisnotforthe countryscitizens. BarrieTrower:Itsfortheindustry. DeborahTavares:Itsforthecorporationsandtheindustry,thatscorrect.Andthen,again, wehaveavarietyofparticipantshere,majorindustryparticipants,Google,andweknowthe WorldBankisinvolved,weknowthatmuchofthecorporatebankingstructuregloballyis involvedandinterestedinthis. BarrieTrower:Again,Imnottakingtheirside,butIdotalktothesepeople,andsomeofthese people,ifgovernmentadvisorsandchiefscientistsapproachsomebodyinindustry,andthe personinindustryhasgenerallydoneadegreeinlaw,civillaworsomething,orsomeother economicdegree,theydonothavedegreesinnuclearandatomicphysics,theydonothave

qualificationsinmicrowavewarfare,theydonothaveotherqualifications.SoandinEnglandit mightbeaknightedperson,ifsomebodywhoishighlyrespectedbythegovernmentwitha governmentchiefadvisorgoesalongandsitsdownandsays,Wecanmakeyoualotofmoney ifyoudothisandwerealsogoingtobenefitthepopulation,theywillbelievethem.Again,if youhavetheindustriesthere,itisprobablynottruethattheyknoworrealizetheharmthey aregoingtodobecausetheyhavefamiliesandgrandchildrenandgreatgrandchildrenandI suspectalotofthemwouldntgoaheadwiththisiftheyfullyunderstandthesituation. DeborahTavares:Therearemanyscientistswhorealizewhattheirscientificexperimentshave nowcaused.Theyrenotbeingusedforthebenefitofmankindandtheynowseehowthose arebeingusedagainsttheirchildren,theirfamilies,andtheworldatlargeandtheyrecoming outandtheyrelettingthisbeknown.Andtheyrenotbeingtargetedmicrowavesandthe inventionsthattheyvecreatedarenowbeingusedagainstmanyofthesewhistleblowers, wouldyousay? BarrieTrower:Yes.AndIcangiveyouaspecificexamplefromachiefscientificofficerin England.But,ifyouregoingtobecomeawhistlebloweryoumustrealizefirstofallyoure goingtoreceivedeaththreatsandtheseareveryseriousdeaththreats.Youaregoingtolose yourjob.Yourchildrenarenotgoingtogetajoborgotouniversity.Itisafamilysacrifice,as wellasyours.Icangiveyouanexample.Ivereceivedmanycrypticandstrangemessages fromseniorpersons.Ireceivedamessagefromavery,veryseniorscientistinthetopsecret experimentalplaceinEngland.Hesaid,Ineedtotalktoyou,Barrie.Isaidokayandwemet. HesaidIamgoingtogivetheperspectivefromwhereIamsitting.Wehavereceivedacontract fromthegovernmenttodoresearch.Imresearchingtheeffectofmicrowavesonthebrain andtheheart.Iamoneofthecountrysleadingresearchscientists.Whattheyhaveaskedme todoisstudythebrainandtheheartbeingexposedtovariousmicrowaves,aspecificpulse frequencyknowntoaffectthebrainandtheheart.Iknowandyouknow,becauseapartofmy degreewasexperimentalphysics,thatifweregoingtodoastudyontheheartandthebrain werelookingatabout15years.Itwouldtakeabouttenyearstodothestudyandanotherfive yearstotieupthelooseends,writeit,haveitpeerreviewed,gotopublication.YouandI know,becauseifIsaidtoyouhowlongwouldittaketodotheseexperiments,youwouldsay tentofifteenyears,whichiswhatthedrugcompaniesdowhentheyretestinganewdrug.Its alwaysaminimumoftenyears,maybelonger.Theydontalwaysgetitright,butatleastthey haveago.Andhesaidtometheresalotofmoneyinvolvedhere.Doyouknowhowlong theyvegivenmetodotheexperimentsonthebrainandtheheart?Oneofthem,tenminutes andtheotheroneis20or25minutes.Icandothembothinanhourandhavetimeforacupof coffee.HesaidnowIknowthatwhenIdothese,theresultsaregoingtoshowSAFE,SAFE, SAFE,SAFE,SAFE.AndIknowthattheyaregoingtousethiswiththestampofmylaboratory tosaythisissafesellit.Andthisparticularsystemhasnowbeensoldto150countriesas

safe.Andhesaidtome,nowIvedonenothingwrong.Ididtheexperiments.Iproducedthe results,whicharesafe,butIknowthisisgoingtobeabused.Iknowthatpeoplearegoingto diebecausethisisgoingtobepublished.Womenaregoingtogetbreastcancers,miscarriages; allsortsofthingsaregoingtohappen.Buttheyregoingtodothatnotme.HesaidnowIam inatopgovernmentscientistjob.Ihaveatopsalary.Ihavetwochildrenatuniversity,oneat college.Ihaveamortgageonabigbeautifulhouse.IfIspillthebeans,Iwillloseeverything todayandIwillneverworkagain.Mychildrenwillcomeoutofuniversityandmylifewillbea mess.WhatdoIdo?Isaidyouonlyhavetwochoices:yougiveupyourfamilyandyour childrensuniversityeducationsandeverything,oryoukeepquiet.Andthoseweretheonly twochoices,andhedecidedtokeepquiet. DeborahTavares:Well,ofcourse,weknowinmanyofthesedecisionsthedangersbeyondthe family,andthefactthatthefamilyisgoingtobeassaultedandconfrontedbyincreased frequenciesanyway,aswellasallofhisfriendsandtherestoftheworld. BarrieTrower:Sothisisthedilemmathatsomeofthescientistsareputin.soevenwhenyou readuplaboratories,itmaybethatthescientistsdidnothingwrong,hedidnothingwrong.He didwhathewasaskedtodo.Hegavetheresultshewasaskedtogive.Itwastheotherpeople whoaredoingsomethingwrong.Butagain,Imvery,verywaryofreadingoutlistsof corporationsandlaboratoriesbecausethepeopleresponsiblemaynotberesponsible. DeborahTavares:Icanseethatwheretheyrecompartmentalizedandtheyrereallyunaware. Ihadafewotherquestionstoo.Iknowthatyouwereapartofthegovernmentbackinyour earlydaysgovernmentmicrowavewarfareestablishmentandyouwerecarryingonresearch. Areyouinvolvedwiththegovernmentatthispointanymore,orareyoucompletelyseparated fromthefunctionsthatyouwerepreviouslyworkingwith. BarrieTrower:Oh,no,completelyseparatenow.ImeanthenIhadtopsecurityclearance.Im completelyawayfromthemnow.Absolutelyaway,Ihavenothingtodowiththem. DeborahTavares:Withallofthepeopleyouspeakwith,aretheircountermeasuresthat youreawareofcomingonlinetohelpmitigatesomeofthedamagesfromtheeffectsofthe targetingonsomeofthepeoplethatarebeingseverelyelectronicallyharassed? BarrieTrower:Yesandno.Imvery,verycautiousaboutdevices,medicines,oranythingtodo withcountermeasures.Ioftenreceivelettersfrompeoplesayingwouldyouendorsethis?And Ialwayssayno.Unlesssomebodycanprovethroughrigorousscientificexperimentthat somethingworks....Imaywork,Idontknow.Butthereareallsortsofcharlatanswhowill makeadevicetoselltopeoplewhoarevulnerabletomakemoney. DeborahTavares:Anotherwayofcorporateprofiteering.

BarrieTrower:Sothedevicesmaywork.Idontknow.Ihonestlydontknow.Ihavent testedanyofthem,butifsomebodyproducedsomething...ifthebodyissuffering,thereare obviouslychemicalsandmedicinesthatwillhelp,andtheywillhelp.Forinstance,boostingthe antioxidantsorboostingthenighttimemelatonin.Thatcertainlyworks.Butyouhavetobe very,verycarefulaboutbuyingdevicesthatwillprotectyou.Theymay,buttheymayactually beevenmoredangerousespeciallyiftheyrejammingsignalsbecausetheyrealsosending othermicrowavesintoyourbody.Youhavetobeincrediblycareful. DeborahTavares:SincethisisnowanewColdWarthatwerefindingourselvesin... BarrieTrower:Yes,itsaColdWarnowbetween,Iwouldsay,certainlybetween15to45 countries. DeborahTavares:Soeveryonestargetingeveryone. BarrieTrower:Oh,withoutadoubt.AndIcanbeevenmorespecific.AndwhenIspeakto schools,yousee,theproblemismicrowavesaresoeasytoproduceandfromthelistsIgot fromwhenIwastalkingtospies,andthingslikethis,thelistsareavailablenow.Allyouneedto doismakeamicrowavetransmitter,whichisincrediblyeasyandatthepulsefrequencywhich iseveneasier,youcanmaketheseweapons.SowhatIsaytoschools,tothestudentsin schools,Isaypleasebeincrediblycareful.Everytimeyoutouchkeyboards,oranIpadoranI pod,everytimeyouputafingeronanymicrowavedevicethattransmits,upto45countries canbestoringthat.Soifyouareayoungcoupleinlove,andyouvegotthepeopleinseparate housesandtheyreintheirbedroomsandoneissayingcanwedothisandthereplyIdlove toandsendmeapictureofyourchest,andtheycarryon.NowIsaytotheschoolstoassume that45countriesareactuallyrecordingthisandtheyhavethecapability.Andwhenyouarea graduateandyouareaprofessional,theyregoingtocomebackandtheyregoingtositinfront ofyouoneday,iftheywish,andtheyaregoingtosay,doyourememberwritingthat?You shouldhaveacriminalrecord.Yourjobdoesntallowpeoplewithcriminalrecords.Howabout justdoingalittlefavorforusandwelltearthisup.Andifyouthinkofwhatteenagers,andthe averageAmericanstudentsends3,000textsamonth,ifyouimaginesomeofthesetextsgoing backandforthandupto45countriescouldbestoringthis,andyoureallcleverandyoureall goingtouniversityandyouregoingtobeexactlywheretheywantyou.Andiftheywantto, andtheywantyou,theyregoingtocomebackandyouregoingtoregretthis. DeborahTavares:SpeakingofuniversitieshereintheUnitedStatesaswellasinternationally, intheUnitedStatesspecificallywehaveanewcurriculumthatsbeenintroducedcalled CommonCoreCurriculum.Anditisacurriculum,essentially,ofdumbingdownbothmathand science.Theywillnotbeteachingcursivewritinganylongerwhichhelpstofireofftheright andleftbrain.Thechildrenwillnotbelearninghowtoreadacalendarandmathandscience,

asIsay,isgoingtobedumbeddown.IntheSilentWeaponsQuietWarsdocumenttheysay thatitwillbecomeenslavementbylackofknowledge.Soinconjunctionwiththemicrowaves thatwereallbeingfacedwith,thatarecertainlycausingconfusion,inabilitytosleepandlevels ofangerandalltypesofemotionalandmentalandphysicalailmentsalongwiththedumbing downoftheglobalpopulation,whethereveryoneistargetedornot,theyarebeingtargeted throughtheentireprocessofthesystemevenbeyondthefrequencies.Wouldyousaythats yourexperiencewithwhatyoureseeinginothercountriesaswell? BarrieTrower:Funnilyenough,wetouchedonthisatlunchtimewiththeCongressladytoday. Youvetouchedanareathatleavesanincrediblebittertasteinmymouth.TheproblemasIsee it,wehavevirtuallytheentireUnitedStatesbeingmicrowavedandthereareasmallgroupof peopleintheUnitedStateswhoareuntouchable,namelyyourFederalCommunications Committee.Becauseifyouhaveacomplaint,orlawyershaveacomplaint,oranybodyelsehas acomplaint,itwillgotoCongresspeople,Senatorsorgovernmentofficialsbutnomatter wherethesecomplaintsandquestionsgooutto,theyallfunnelbacktooneperson.Eventhe judiciarycannotgetinvolvedinthis.Theyvebeenwhitewashedout.Soeverythinggoesback. WhatwereseeingintheUnitedStatesisthatyouhaveoneperson,maybetwo,certainlynot anymorethanthree,whoisdominantincommittee.Andthispersonistheonlypersoninthe UnitedStateswhocanbeaskedthesequestions;theonlypersonandnobodyelseisallowedto answerthem,nobody.Everythingisfunneledthroughtothisoneperson.Soyouhavethisone personwhoisallpowerful,isabovethejudiciary,isaboveCongress,aboveeverybodybecause Congresscannotchangehissafetylevels.SoyouhavethisonepersonandthisiswhereIhave troublewiththisbecausewiththecurrentstates,andthisiswellestablishedresearchbecause itisyourgovernmentresearch,in60yearstime,ifnothingchanges,threegenerationsof20 years,youaregoingtobedowntooneeighthofyourchildrenspopulation,oneeighth.Now howmanypeoplewalkingthestreetstodayaregoingtobeworkingandpayingtaxesin60 yearstime?Notmany.So,theUnitedStates,ifnothingisdone,isgoingtobecome unfunctionableontheworldstage.Yourenotgoingtobeabletorunyourindustries.Youre notgoingtobeablepayyourtaxes.Yourenotgoingtobeabletofundyourmilitary.Sothe UnitedStatesontheworldstageisgoingtodisappear. DeborahTavares:Theysayinmanyofthedocuments,thesourcedocumentsthatwehave read,thatofcoursethepreeminenceoftheUnitedStatesisbeingdismantled. BarrieTrower:Within60years,theUnitedStateswontexistasyouknowittoday.Youwillbe inthepositionthatEnglandwasinattheendofthewarwhenwejustdidnthavethepeople, oursoldiershadbeenshot,wedidnthavethepeoplecomingbacktorunthebuses,the factories,thetrains.Therewasverylittlemoneytopaytaxes.Wecouldntaffordanything. Andaworldwideappealwentoutforanynationtosendasmanypeopleastheycouldtorun

ourbuses.Nowthisiswhereyouregoingtobein60years.Buttheonethingthatreally, reallypuzzlesmeiswhyisthisallpowerfulAmericandoingthistohisowncountry? DeborahTavares:Well,someofthesourcedocumentsthatwehavereferredtoaddressthat. ThisisforaOneWorldSystem. BarrieTrower:Oneperson,nomorethantwo,aredominantonthiscommittee...whywould thisoneperson,becausehehastoknowmorethanme,becauseofthevirtueofhisposition andhisexpertisewithmicrowaves,hehastoknowmorethanIdo,andifIknowthis,hehasto knowit.So,hehasto,inmybrainonly,herhastobeintentionallybringingtheUnitedStatesto itskneesandthequestionIwanttoknowiswhy?Icantgetaroundthatbecausehesmade himselfuntouchableandwhyshouldonepersondecideCongresswillnotinterferewithmy levels(offrequenciesallowed).Thejudiciarywillnotinterferewithmylevels.Iamgoingto controlthis.AndhemustknowheisbringingtheUnitedStatesdownandyouonlyhave60 yearsandthatisit.Youllbefinished. DeborahTavares:Well,certainlymanyofthesourcedocumentsthatwehaveonourwebsite StoptheCrime.net.... BarrieTrower:Heignoresthem.Thatsthething. DeborahTavares:Well,manyofthemarewrittenbythemtooandwerelookingat transhumanismasthecomingagendawheretheyregoingtobebringingonlineareplacement forhumans.Andweseemuchofthatresearchoccurringnowinmostofthemajoruniversities. CertainlyhereintheUnitedStates,butthisdocumentherethisNASAplantalksaboutrobot cyborgsandhumansandwerereallystartingtoseethereplacementofhumansbymachinery. BarrieTrower:Well,again,andImnotbeingdeliberatelyobstructive,butImgoingtorushto thedefenseoftheindustry.AndIdoknowbecauseIvespokentothescientists.The governmentapproachesanindustryanditsaysifwecouldimplantsomething,anditcanbe nanotubes,andachemicalcanbetriggered,oranelectricalsignalwillbetriggeredwitha microwavepulsegoingtothebrain.Oryouhavethecreaturesthatliveintheoceansthat photosynthesizefromthesun,andwhenyouphotosynthesizelikeeuglenaorcoqolithapores, theyproduceminisculeelectriccurrents.Nowtheycanbeguidedtocertainareasofthebrain byvirusesandtheindustryisworkingontheseandtheparalyzedgetelectricalsystemsgoing throughthebodytogetthemtomoveandthink.Andbybeamingthemwithmicrowavesyou canactuallygetparalyzedpeoplemovingagain.Orbraindamagedpeople;youcangetthe electricalcurrentmovingbackintothatpartofthebrain.Sotheyaredoinganimmense amountofgood,butagain,asIsaidearlier,theharmcomeswhenthemilitarycomealongand theysayifweputthisintothesepeopleandwestimulatethispartofthebrain,forinstance,a balancebetweenthefrontalcortexandtheamygdalewhichwillinducesevereviolence.Soyou

canusethingsforgoodandtheyredevelopedforgood,andtheotherpeoplecanusethemfor bad.SoIcansaythatbecausethecorporationsarethereitdoesntmeantheyrebad.It meansthattheyhaveactuallydonesomeincredibleNobelprizewinningresearchthat somebodyhasthensaidthankyouverymuch,wepaidforthis,wehavetherightstothis,now weregoingtoputourscientiststowork.Thereisaseesaweffecthereandyouhavetobe incrediblycarefulreadingoutnamesofuniversitiesandorganizationsbecausetheymaybe doingitforgoodandtheydoabsolutelybrilliantwork. DeborahTavares:ThatsabsolutelytrueandIknowthatmuchofwhattheyhavedonehas beenhijacked. BarrieTrower:Oh,itsallbeenhijacked. DeborahTavares:Thatswhywereheretoday,becauseweresittinginaveryprecarious hijackedreality. BarrieTrower:Ifitsbeenhijacked,somebodyauthorizedit.Andifsomebodyauthorizedit, theywouldhavehadpermission.Nowwhereisthisleadingbackto?Thatiswhereweshould begoing...theSource.Anditsevenkeptfrompresidents.Thepeopleinvolvedhere,andits thesamewiththeEnglishgovernment,youhavejustasmallband,nomorethanahandfullof peoplewhoareallpowerfulandtheyknowwhatisreallygoingon.AndPresidentsandPrime MinistersandMinistersandSenatestheycomeandgoeveryfewyearsandtheyareabsolutely immaterialtothis.Theyaretoldwhattheyneedtobetold,thatisit. DeborahTavares:ItsjustlikeascriptforaHollywoodmovie. BarrieTrower:Yep.Andthepeopleatthetop,theylieforalivingandIvemetthem.Theylie foraliving.Thetruthissoobscuretothem,theywouldntknowthetruthiftheytriedtotellit. Lyingisjustnorm.Andsoyouhavethissmallbandofpeopleandtheyarecontrollingvirtually everybodyelse.SoiftheysaytothePresidentIamthecountrystopscientist,thisissafethe Presidentbelievesthembecausehesonlygoingtobethereanothertwoyearsanywaysand thenanewonecomesinandtheytellthemwhattheywillsayandwhattheywilldo. DeborahTavares:This,ofcourse,iswhywehaveBohemianGroveandtheBilderbergs.They setglobalpolicies.Theymeetandtheyorganizeandtheyorchestratethecorporations.And weveheardmuchabouttheBilderbergsthereinEuropeandtheirofficesare,ofcourse,in SwitzerlandandtheymeetannuallyjustastheBohemianGrovedoeshereinNorthern California,meetonceayearandattimesinbetweentocreatepolicies. BarrieTrower:PersonallyIvenevermetthemandIveneverattendedameeting,soIhonestly cantcommentonthat.

DeborahTavares:Ialsohaveaquestion.Haveyouheardanythingabouttheactivationof catalyticgeneticallysplicedvirusandbacteria?Iknowyouwerejustmentioningsomeofthis. Viabacteriahybridbytheuseofadvancedtargetedpsychosyntronicsandtherehavebeen rumorsfrominsidersforyearsthatpsychosyntroniccanalsobedeployedtoreduceapersons naturalimmunityallowingtheopportunistvirusandbacteriatheabilitytogaincontrolwhen theywouldnormallybesuppressed.Couldthisbetrue? BarrieTrower:Youvecoveredabout50yearsofcomplicatedresearchthere.Imeanjustany threeofthosewordscouldsparkaboutanhourworthofconversation.Isitbeingdone?Yes. CanIgointothat?No.Icananswerit.Wewouldneedtosithereforaweekandnoteven scratchthesurface.Yes,itcanbedone.Aretheydoingit?Idontknowbecausetheyhavent toldme.Isitpossible?Yes.ButIdontknowthattheyredoingitbecauseiftheyaredoingit, itisinsecret,andIdonthaveaccesstotheirsecrets.Iveneverbeentoldbyanyonethat theyredoingit.Theoreticallyitcanbedone.Whetheritsbeingdonepractically,Idontknow. DeborahTavares:Therearepeopleconcernedtooabouttheelectronicwarfareandhowwe canuseitagainstterrorists,butitseemsasthoughsincewehave45countriesallengagedin inflictingelectromagneticonothercountries,itseemslikewereallbattlingoneanother,sodo youseeanopportunitytocontrolthis? BarrieTrower:Itsuncontrollable.Imean,whatwehavenowstartedisarunawaytrain.Itis absolutelyuncontrollablebecauseiftheUnitedStatesstopsresearch,thereare45other countries,someofwhomprobablydonotliketheUnitedStatesthatwillsaythatsgood,we willnowbetheworldleaders.Itisuncontrollable.Peoplenowhavetoprogress.Whereitis allgoingtoendupIdontknowbutitisabsolutelyuncontrollablenow.Therearetoomany differentlaboratoriesovertheworldstudyingtoomanydifferentthings.Therearetoomany differentorganizationslookingintomicrowaveweapons.Itisabsolutelyuncontrollableandas youvesaidwehavenowgoneintoanewColdWar.Idontknowwhereitisgoingtoend. DeborahTavares:Well,thiscertainlyisaSilentWeaponssystemforQuietwars. BarrieTrower:Itsbeenthatfor60years,noproblemwiththat. DeborahTavares:Somebodyaskedandwaswondering,ofcourse,aboutWIFIinrestaurants, etc.,andinthecoffeeshopsthataregloballysituatednowwithWIFIopportunities.What wouldyousaytothegeneralpopulationaboutWIFIandwhatotherkindsofrepressivestances cantheymakeagainstthisattackofartificialfrequencies. BarrieTrower:WIFIusesaknownweaponsfrequency.Thatsknown.Anditisgoingtocause harm.Thereisnodoubtthere.Andagain,theownersofcafesandbarsthathaveWIFI,they wouldhavebeentoldsomethingthatwasnttrue.Sotheonlythingyoucandoisadvisethem

tofitafiberopticcable,highspeedfiberopticcable,iftheycanbetoldthetruth.Again,itis nottheirfault,andpeoplecomeinwiththeircomputersandtheirSmartthingiesandtheysitat thetablesandtheypressaway.Sothecafowners,theyrejustgivingpeoplewhattheywant. Theyremakingmoneyfromit.Itsgoodforbusiness.Theyreemployingpeople,whichis good.But,iftheyweretorunjustafewcables,theywouldmakejustasmuchmoneyandthey wouldntbedoingharm.Butyoucanttellthemtheyredoingharmbecauseofthecontrol overthepressandthetelevisioncompaniesandtheradiocompanies.Becauseifyoueven begintomentionit,theindustrywillcomedownlikeatonofbricksandsaywearepullingout ouradvertising,nowhowwouldyoulikethat. DeborahTavares:Sowhatwearereallysayingisfortheprotectionofpeople,theyeitherhave tobehardwired,and/orstayawayfromlocationsthathaveWIFI.Theyneedtostayasfar removedfromthecellphonetowers,theantennas,theSmartMeters,theelectrosmogthat ourcitiesareexperiencing.Isthattheonlything? BarrieTrower:Thesystemcanbemadealotmoresafe.But,ofcourse,theydontknowit needstobemadealotmoresafe.MaybeourconversationfromtheCongressladythis morning,ifwedevelopsomewaytherewecangetsomethingbroadcastnationally.Butatthe moment,thesystemcanbemadealotsaferalloverthecountrytothepointwherethe minimumofpersonswillbeharmed. DeborahTavares:Howlongwouldthattakeinordertoimplement? BarrieTrower:Ifyoustartednowandprovidedyouhad...Imean,oncethisbubblebursts thereisgoingtobeanenormousbusinessforsomebody.Enormousprofitsinfiberopticsand thingstodowithevencellphones...IvereadfromDr.AndrewGoldsworthywhoisan incrediblycleverscientistfromImperialCollegeLondon.ImperialCollegeissortoftheOxford andCambridgeofLondonandyoudontgettoteachthereifyourestupid.Hehasdescribed howmicrowavescanbemadesafe.Idontunderstandatthemomentthefulltechnology behindit.But,hehasdescribedhowtheycanbemadesafeandtheywillwork.(Put)fiber opticcableseverywhereyoucan.Technologyisthere...everyonecanstillhavetheirtoysand theycanstillusethem,andtheywillprobablyworkbetter,anditwillbealotmoresafe.The problemisitneedstogettoeverybody.Thetechnologyistheretoday,andintermsofhow longitwouldtakedependingonmanufacturingoutputs,dependingonhowquicklyyoucan convertafewfactoriesbutwhoevercomesupwiththisfirstthereisgoingtobebillionsupon billionstobemadewiththis. DeborahTavares:Theconcernofcoursewouldbethatwehaveacorporatestructurethatis engagedinmassiveprofitsoverpeoplethatarebecomingquiteill.

BarrieTrower:Yes,buttheprofitswillonlylastuntilpeoplelikemewhotouchestheright person,whotouchestherightpersonwhosays:Whydoesthatmanhavesomuchpower? WhydoesntheanswertoCongress?WhydoesntheanswertotheJudiciary?Whydoesnthe answertothePresident?Andwhenthepeopleinauthoritysaywellhangon,hehastoomuch power,letsaskhimafewquestionsandseehowrightheisandwhenyoucanshowthatthis personisactuallywrong,andIknowheswrongandIwouldchallengehimheretofacemelive ontelevisionandIwouldstandmygroundandIwouldproveheswronginlessthanfive minutes.Whenthesepeoplecanbebroughtdown,anditsnotgoingtotakelongbecause thesehaveimmensepowerbutthereisonethingtheycannotdo...theycannotstoppeople dying.Theydonthavethatpower.Godhasthatpowerandtheyhavenomorepowerthan God.Toomanypeoplearegoingtodie.Toomanyschoolsaregoingtogetleukemiaclusters. Andwhenthathappenstheswellisgoingtochange.AndIsuspect,andImgoingtochoosemy wordsverycarefullyhere,someindustriesaregoingtocrashovernight.Theshareholdersare goingtothinkhangon,halfmylifeisburiedinthisindustry.Zonk!Imgoingtogointothis (other)industryandyouregoingtohavesomeindustriescrashing.Andthisisgoingtobe moneyorientated,notorientatedbymorality.Itsgoingtobepuregreed.Andoneindustryis goingtocrashandtheotherindustryisgoingtogozonk(pointsstraightup)withbillionsand wewillhaveasafesystem.Howmanypeoplehavetodie?Idontknow. DeborahTavares:Forustogettothatpoint. BarrieTrower:IdontknowbutIcantellyouitwillbebetweenhereand60years,whichisnot long. DeborahTavares:Ifwecansurvive60yearsunderthecurrentbombardmentoffrequencies becausepeoplearebecomingsoillalready. BarrieTrower:Exactly.Andtheproblemis,itwascalculatedseveralyearsago,andIhavethe paper,thecostofyoursickfromelectromagneticradiation,anditwasthetensofbillionsandit isgoingupenormously.Sothereisgoingtobeapointwhenthecostoftreatingpeopleisjust prohibitiveforthecountryandpeoplearegoingtodieandthebubbleisgoingtoburst.And whenitbursts,Ifearalotofinfluentialpeoplewillbestandinginthedock.AndIreally wouldntliketobeintheirpositionstandinginadock.Inmymind,andthisisapersonal opinion,apersonalopinion,andwhateverlibelorslander,Imnotdoingthat,butIwouldthink withthedeathrates,anequivalenceinmymind,andyoucantellmeifImwrong,wouldbeif AdolfHitlerstoodinthedockforallofthedeathsinthesecondworldwar.Ithinkitwillbeon thatscale.

DeborahTavares:Soforthetimebeing,rightnow,forthosethatarebecomingawareofthis enormousthreattohumanity,whatwouldyousaywouldbethemostimportantthingsfor peopletodorightnow? BarrieTrower:LeaveittomeandIlltellyouwhy.Themomentanindividualputstheirhead abovethewatertheindustryissoskilledwiththegovernmentatputtingpeopledown.You wontstandachance.Youwillloseyourjob.Youwillloseyourfamily.Youwillloseyour house.Thatisunnecessary.Idontneedthat.Leaveittopeoplelikeme.Ourworkisslow, butwearegettingthere.Ihavenowspokentoaround40royals,leadersofcountries,leaders ofpeoples,themessageisgettingthrough.Nothingiseverfast,butwearegettingthere.But myadvicetotheordinaryistoleaveittous.Weknowwhatweredoing.Wehavethe expertise.Wevehadallthedeaththreats.Wewillgetthere.Aswegoalong,academics suddenlyjumpinandtheysayIamanexpertinthis;Ibelievewhatyouredoingandpleaselet mehelp.Andwearegettingthere.Itsnotgoingtobequick.Imean,tryingtostopWorld WarIIwasntquick.Soifapersonisgoingtotakerisks,Isaydontdoit.Leaveittomeand peoplelikeme.Letusdoourjob. DeborahTavares:Sothenwhattheaveragepersoncoulddoistostayhardwiredwithevery devicetheyhave,keepithardwired.Spreadthisinformationeverywheretheycan.Refer peopletotheyoutubesthatyouhavesothatwecreateawiderunderstandingthrough educationofwhatwearefacing. BarrieTrower:Exactly.Ifeverybodystartedtogowithcable,theWIFIindustrywouldcollapse anyway. DeborahTavares:Nowwhatabouttheschoolsbecausewerenoticingnowthatinmanyofthe majoruniversities,theelementaryschools,thehighschools,becausetheeconomybeingwhat itis,andthetelecomindustrypayingmonthlyrenttoanyonethatwillallowacellphonesiteon policestations,onfirestationshereintheUnitedStates.Wereseeingthesecellphone towerscropupeverywhere.Theyredisguisedastrees.Theyreinchurchsteeples.Theyrein flagpoles.Somearenotdisguised,butmanyareandwereseeingthattheyareliningallofour majorhighwaysnationwidenowandtheyareincommunitieseverywhere.Wearejuststaying aplacehereinPortlandindowntownPortlandandcollectivelyfromtheAntennaSearch.com searchthatwedid,betweenthecellphonetowersandtheantennaswithinafourmileradius wehaveacombinationof660cellphonetowersandantennas. BarrieTrower:Again,theschoolgovernorsandprincipalswouldhavebeentoldfromourone personthatthisissafe.Andtheywouldhavebeentoldthatthereisnothingtoworryabout, researchisinconclusive.Itshowsthatitissafeandyoureonagoodthing.Whetherornot thereisalegalargumenthere,andthereisintheUnitedKingdom,intheUnitedKingdoma

teacher,andIwasateacher,ateacherisunderlawinwhattheycallenlocoparentis.Inother words,whentheparentstakeachildtoschoolandhandsthatchildovertotheteacher,the teacherisobligedbylawtolookafterthatchildastheparentwould.Youcannotdoanything tothatchildthattheparentwouldforbid.Itsagainstthelaw.Thatstheeasybit.Andthey aretryingthisintheUKnow.Soifaparentsaystotheteacher,Idonotallowyouto microwavemychild,andtheteacherdoes,theteacherisbreakingthelaw.Thatsenloco parentis.Ithasnothingtodowiththeotherlaws.Theteacherisbreakingthelawandthe teachercanbetakentocourt.Thatstheeasybit.IntheUKforsomebodytotakesomeoneto courtformicrowaving,ithasbeenestimated,youneed31millionpounds. DeborahTavares:Well,thatsputtinganenormousburdenthenonanyofustotrytobring litigationagainstthem. BarrieTrower:TheyvesaidtimeandtimeagaininEnglandtakeustocourt,ourpartofthe trialisthreeyearsforallofthewitnesseswewanttocall,athousandwitnesses,itwilltake aboutthreeyearsforourpartofthetrial.Courtcosts,100,000poundsaday,nolegalaid,and thenofcourse,yourparttakesthreeyearsandifyoulose,wellhaveyourhouse,yourcarand everythingelse. DeborahTavares:Well,thatbringsmetoaninterestingsituationthatwediscoveredherein Californiathatallofthecities,andinfactitisactuallynationwidebyExecutiveOrder,intheir planningdepartmentshavetoinitiatewhatiscalledaClimateActionPlanoranEnergyAction Plan,oneofthetwoisthetitleforthisplan.InCaliforniawherewehavelookedatanumberof theseClimateActionPlans,itsrequiring,eventhoughCaliforniahasanoptoutnowforSmart Meterswithutilitycompaniesbypaying$75initiallytooptoutand$10/month.Manypeople feel,ofcourse,thatsanextortionfee.ButwhatwehavefoundoutnowiswiththeseClimate ActionPlansitisrequiredthatcitieshaveSmartMetersandthatalloftheappliancesthatare notEnergyStarrated,thatareconsideredinefficientappliances,mustberetrofittednowtothe EnergyStarapplianceswhichisabackdoorhookupoftheinitialintentiontobeginwith.So manypeoplearediscoveringthattheoptoutwasanappeasementplan,amomentarysenseof victorytoreducethefightagainsttheSmartMeters.Andwhilestilltheyarebeingdeployed, whichiswhatindustrycallsthis,adeployment,whichisamilitaryword,insteadofinstallation, andthisisnowoccurringnationwideherethroughthebackdoorinallofourcities. BarryTrower:Itwilldo,becausetheSmartMeterscanbeusedfortheirWIFIenabled.They canbeusedwithWIFI,withallotherthings,andagain,werebacktothemanatthetop.And itsnotuntilenoughpeoplehavediedthatthesewillbestoppedandturnedofformadesafe. But,sadly,peoplearegoingtodie.Theyaregoingtomakeanenormousamountofmoneyon thebackofthis,butitsnotuntilpeoplesuchasmyselfcanraisetheissuewiththepeoplewho needtobetoldandenoughpeoplehavediedthatwecanmakethisbubbleburst,butitsnot

goingtobequick.Itslikethestartofthesecondworldwarandpeoplearegoingtosuffer, theyregoingtodie,andthereisnothingwecandotostopthat.Nothing.Thepeoplearetoo powerful.ItsliketheStormTroopers,theSS.Theyaretoopowerful.Theyanswertonobody andtheonlyquestioniswillthebubbleburstbeforetheUnitedStatescanrecover?Thatisthe onlyquestion.AnditdependsonwhoIcantalktoandwhen. DeborahTavares:IntheUnitedStates? BarrieTrower:IntheUnitedStates.IneedtotalktoCongress.IfIcantalktoCongress,we mayhaveachance. DeborahTavares:IsthereanyoneortwopeopleinCongressthatyouveidentifiedas... BarrieTrower:Iwontgiveyoutheirnames,buttodatetherearetwopeoplewhomaybe tryingtogetmetotalktoCongress. DeborahTavares:Andsotheninthemeantimeforthesafetyofallofus,wereduceour frequencies,wehardwireandwedoeverythingwecantogetthewordoutonourlevelsothat moreandmorepeoplebecomeawaresothattheninourlocalcities,inourcitycouncils,inour countyboardofsupervisors,weregettingthisinformationtothemwhomayalsopossiblybe carrierstohigherlevelsofgovernmentwiththeinformationthatweprovidethem.Soallof thisisgoingtohelpyoureffortsandotherscientistswhoareverymuchawareofthis cataclysmicsituationwereallfindingourselvesin. BarrieTrower:Well,Itisandthereisnoeasywayoutofthis.Toofewpeoplehavetoomuch power.AndasIvealreadysaid,wehavepeoplewhodonotanswertothejudiciaryandthe PresidentandCongress,andtheyarecausingthis.Anduntilsomebodyactuallytakestheir powerawayandquestionsthem,thisisgoingtogoon,anditsonlyamatterofhowmany peoplehavetodieuntilitcanbestopped. DeborahTavares:Well,Barrie,Iwanttothankyouforspeakingwithustodayandsincerely expressourappreciationforwhatyouredoing. BarrieTrower:Butthereissomegoodnews,andIwontnamethemoncameraincasethe industrysuddenlyturnsagainstthem,buttomyknowledgenow,andIvehadnoinputinto someofthemandIvehadsomeinputintoofthem,soImnotsayingthisismywork.There arelotsofotherpeopledoingwhatIdo.Buttherearenowtencountrieswhorealizethisis happeningandtheyaremakingchangestoprotecttheirchildrenandtheirpopulation,sothe worldisturning.Tencountriesisntalotbutitsastart.And,ifwegobackafewyears,we didnthaveany.Nowwevegotten.

DeborahTavares:Nowwiththelevelofremotetargetingandnowwiththeuseofsatellitesas well,howarethosetencountries,eventhoughtheyrebecomingawareofthistypeofnew weaponry,howwilltheyprotectthemselves?Whatkindofshieldingisavailabletotheminthe industry? BarrieTrower:Well,theirscientistsareworkingonthisnowandshieldingisactuallyquite easy.Sothatreallyisntaproblem.Ivespokentosomeofthescientists.Youcanvirtually maketheshieldingfromhalfadozenoldbedsprings.Thatsnotcomplicated. DeborahTavares:Sothatwouldbemoreofanindividual,housetohouse,shielding? BarrieTrower:Yep,yep.Butthetencountriesarenowactivelygoingagainsttheindustry. Theyrestillusingalltheequipment,buttheyremakingitalotsaferandtheyreprotecting theirchildren. DeborahTavares:Arethereinstructionssomewhereforpeopletocreatethisshieldingifthey findtheyarebeingtargeted? BarrieTrower:Noandiftherewereyouwouldneedquitealotofexpertiseandyouwouldnt beallowedtodoitbecauseitmeanstransmittingcertainwavesandyouwouldntbeallowed todothat. DeborahTavares:Soitwouldbebasicallysendingwavesoutagainsttheincoming. BarrieTrower:Right. DeborahTaveras:Ok.ThatwasactuallyoneofthequestionsthatIhadsoasfarasthegeneral populationhavingthatinformationthatsnotavailable. BarrieTrower:Ashardasitsounds,forthegeneralpopulation,andIhatetobebitterly truthfulhere,butIhaventcomeallthiswaytolie,theonlythingthatyoucandoisprotect yourself,protectyourfamily,andwaitoutthewar.Andthatsit. DeborahTaveras:Sotherewasaquestionspecificallytothat.Whatspecificmicrowavesignals andfrequenciesaredeployedinthisnewColdWarweaponryandwhat,inyouropinion,isthe corereasonforthembeingdeployedagainsttheUnitedStates?Andthesecondquestionis: Doyouhaveanyexperiencechopperfrequenciesbeingdeployedascountermeasure? BarrieTrower:IcallittheSillyBoySyndrome.Youhavetheseyounggraduateboysorgirls. TheygraduateinComputerScienceatuniversity.Theythengotofirmortoindustryandthey thinkImgoingtomakesomethingthatdoesthis.Andtheyturnoutthislittleblackboxandit doesallofthisbuttheyhaventtakenintoconsiderationthefrequencies,thepulse frequencies,themodulations,howitsgoingtoaffect,children,adults,pregnantwomen.They

havenoknowledge.NobodysaystothemgoandtalktopeoplewhowerealiveintheColdWar orstudythefrequenciesthatareusedbyindustriesandseeiftheyredangerous.Nobodysays thattothem.Theymaketheirlittleblackboxes.Theywanttoearnamilliondollars.Theyput themonthemarketandtoallintentsandpurposestheyreconsideredsafe.Theydontdothe backgroundchecksandthisistheproblem.Soifyouresayingwhatfrequenciesarethere?Im saying,well,howmanyappsareproducedeachweek?Howmanyblackboxesthatyouplug intoareproducedeachweek?Howmanydifferentwebsitesarethere?Itgrows;itevolves overtimesoyouwouldneverkeepupwithitanyway. DeborahTavares:Andthen,onefinalquestion,ifImay?ForanumberofpeoplethatIknow thatarestocked,andfollowedbyorganizedstalking,andaretargetedbyneighborsnextdoor, bypeoplethatliveupabovetheminanapartmentsetting,orbelowthem,orwheretheyre walkingonthestreetandtheyresuddenlytargeted,theyregoingtohavetowaitoutthiswar? BarrieTrower:Ifyourebeingstalked,theyrestudyingyouforyourfearelectronically.If yourebeingstalked,anditsusuallyhaveadozenbiguglymendoingit,Iwouldgouptothem andsay,well,Ivefinishedinthisstore,Imgoingoverthere(pointing),andthenImgoingover there(pointing)andthenIllbestoppingforcoffee,followme,comeonandleadthemaround. Theywontbeviolenttoyouinapublicplace.Theresnogoodgoingtothepolice.Itsnogood complainingtoyourrepresentativebecausetheyllsayyouremad,whichiswhattheywant youtodoanyway.Iwouldjustgouptothemandsay,ImhereandImgoingtobuythemost gorgeouspairofshoesintwohoursbutIwouldvalueyouropinionandcomeoutwithashoe andaskwhatdoyouthinkabouttheseandthese?Turnitintoagame.Itswhatyoucando. Turnitintoagameandletthemknowyourenotscared. DeborahTavares:Sowhatweunderstandwiththedocuments,theSilentWeaponsQuietWars document,theNASAdocument,isjustwhatBarrieTrowerhasjustsaid,thattheyrewinningby creatingmassivefearandterror,massivedisinformationandmediapropaganda,andcreatinga divisionbetweenallofussothatwedontbandtogether.SoIguessitwouldbefairtoclose thisdiscussionrightnowwiththeunderstandingthatweareinawar.Theyregoingtobe immeasurableamountsofcasualties.Weregoingtohavetoovercomeourfearbecausewe knowthatpartofthecorporatestructurebenefitsonthatmasschaos.Theymakemass amountsofmoneyoncreatingmasschaos,fearandmisinformation.Soinordertocreateour saferrealities,besidesgettingallourtechnologieshardwiredortostayawayfromthem,andto certainlynotpartakeinestablishmentsthathaveWIFIandperhapsgoinginandlettingthem knowwhyyoucannotgointotheirestablishmentandpassingoutfliersandjustcoveringwith informationbecausewenowarethemedia.Anduntilitbecomestrendyenoughforother portionsofthepopulationtoweighinonthissignificant,irrefutablemassivedeathcampaign thatisbeingwagedonusthroughfear,again,andmediapropraganda,wewillbeabletohelp

you(BarrieTrower)doyourworkaswereabletogetthisinformationoutandliveoutsideof fear.Andunderstandthatthisisamassivemediapropagandacampaignandtheyrekeepingus dividedanditsallthroughlackofknowledge. BarrieTrower:ThereisjustonelastquiteinterestingconversationIhadwithoneofthepeople doingthisandhewasanincrediblyhighlypaidlawyerandgoingbackthenitwassomething like$2,000anhour,andhewasinvolvedinfindingloopholestosupportindustry.AndIwas involvedinalegalcase,andItendtolose,Iwasinvolvedinalegalcaseandduringthe lunchtimesessionIwentovertherowandIsatinapubforasandwichandhecameinandsat downnexttome.Imsayingthisbecauseitmaybeaquestionthatsomebodylisteningtothis canasksomebodywhoisimmenselypowerful.Andthismanwasimmenselypowerful.Andhe satdownnexttomeandhesaid,Youknowyouregoingtolosethis,Barrie,dontyou?And hesaid,Ivegotthis,Ivegotthis,andIvegotthis.Youdontstandachance.Andhewas right.Ididntstandachance.Thepeoplewantedrepresenting,Iwasrepresentingthem,but legallyhehadgoteverysingleloopholetiedupandlegallyhewasgoingtowinandhedidwin. HesatthereandhewentonabouthowsortofinsignificantIwasandtheprotestorsand everythingelseandhowpowerfulhewasandwhydidntwegiveupbecausewedidntstanda chanceever.AndIsaid,Wouldanswermejustonequestion?Whatareyougoingtosay whenyoustandbeforeGod?Andthatwasit. DeborahTavares:Thisisapowerfulwaytowrapupourtalk.Ijustwanttothankyousomuch forsayingwhatyouvesaidtodayandwewillbesuretogetthisoutfarandwideandsupport yourworkwithgettingyouryoutubesoutanddoingallthatwecan. BarrieTrower:Iactuallyworryaboutthesepeoplebecausewhentheygointotheafterlifeand theyhavetolivethesorrowthattheyhavecausedtoeverysinglepersonandeverysingle family,andtheyaregoingtofeelit,andthereisnotimelimit,theyhavenoideawhattheyare goingtoface.AndIthinkiftheydid,theymaythinktwice.ButIstoppedthismaninhistracks. Hehadnoanswer.Nobodyintheafterlifeisimpressedbyayacht,aRollsRoyce,abighouse, fancyclotheswhenyoustandtherenakedandthereisnolying,youcantlie,andtheyhaveno answer.ThatiswhatIwouldaskthemandifIsawtheheadofyourFederalCommunications CommitteethatisoneofthetwoquestionsIwouldaskhim.Whatareyougoingtosayto God? DeborahTavares:Thankyou.Ithinkthisreallyendsitonapowerfulnote,Barrie.Thankyou, thankyousomuch.