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roles and many were fans of the practice. What these feminists didnt understand is that men and women dont spend all that much time with one another in such sy stems, so when they do it is refreshing. Men and women appreciate each others male or female idiosy ncrasies. Sex occurs more often and is much more passionate and satisfy ing. Contrast that approach to modern sex relations. Men and women hav e at least a low lev el of hostility and resentment to the opposite sex . Many men and women hav e a simmering lev el of anger at each other. This is direct result of both sex es being trained to be disappointments to one another. Men with no true sense of self, lacking positiv e masculinity and passiv e. Women rightfully are upset that men are not men any more. As for women, they are hy per-aggressiv e, mannish and place a ridiculous emphasis on a career and educational accomplishments. Men are justifiably disappointed that women are no longer the happy , breezy ladies of y estery ear. While socialization is supremely important here, what is also of critical importance are temporal issues. Men and women are just damn tired of spending so much time around one another. Homosex uals be damned, heterosex uals simply and want and crav e space where we can let down our hair without the pry ing ey es of the opposite sex observ ing us. Feminism has play ed a major role in this social degeneration. Painting institutions as inherently sex ist and chauv inistic (oink, oink) that ex pressly ex cludes one sex is a preposterous and destructiv e train of thought. Note that this rhetoric doesnt apply against women. Feminists, as women, implicitly understand women need spaces where they can relax without men around and discuss issues, their feelings or whatev er they feel they dont want to discuss with men. There is nothing wrong with women-only spaces. Women should and need to be afforded spaces where men are not allowed so women arent driv en crazy by hav ing to censor themselv es around men. The same applies for men.

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Historically , for men, male-only spaces hav e been bars and gentlemans clubs. Bars, of course, hav e been turned into a sex -neutral spaces. In the past, men could gather at local watering holes after work and shoot the shit about the monotony and banality of work. They could wax on about the state of their marriage and their relationship with their kids. With the easy lubrication of alcohol, men were able to process and digest their liv es. Once women demanded access to these spaces and sex ualized them, it drained bars of their ability to prov ide a reliable outlet for men to both talk about and drown their personal concerns ov er and in a cup of cheap beer. As far as gentlemans clubs are concerned, they hav e historical relev ance. Gentlemans clubs hav e, traditionally , been for upper-class men. Apparently , through the 1 800s, gentlemans clubs became more mainstream, as middle-class men formed gentlemans clubs. These sorts of clubs, as their

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popularity ex panded, started to rev olv e around ideological concerns and collectiv e interests. Much like Rooshs forum, clubs dev eloped a distinct identity and ideological posture. At their height, men would gather to talk about the issues of the day , drink quality liquor and engage in ty pical male behav ior. Men would play cards, discuss books and sip whiskey in the flickering light of a fireplace. They would often play billiards, debate politics and discuss the their wiv es and children. The demise of gentlemans clubs mirrors the ex pansion of the middle class in America. Just when men needed such an outlet in their liv es, they had these clubs swept out from under their feet by suspicious females. It must be said that the gentleman club culture was nev er as strong in America as it was in Europe, but middle-class men enjoy ed the atmosphere of these sorts of clubs in urban areas before WW2. Still, gentlemans clubs were an important facet of the growing professional class of men. Women, essentially , not only hurt men but hurt their families by demanding togetherness that drov e men and women apart. It is insanity , and completely on purpose. The gnawing, growing discontent of women in society led them to subconsciously ex pect men to meet unattainable standards for lov e. What was once prov iding a solid pay check, going to mass on Sunday morning and doing the heav y lifting around the house became Saturday trips to Lowes for white paint for the crumbling picket fence and tedious parties with fellow equal marriages, complete with empty rhetoric of progress and Leaning In. This was on purpose because women were looking to prov e that we men cant be trusted. We men cant be entrusted to do right, to lov e properly and most importantly that we are all beasts. The simultaneously lachry mose and needlessly self-absorbed approach has thoroughly rev olutionized sex relations in a way that is has hurt our collectiv e relations terribly .

The truth is, for men, is that we need spaces in society were we can connect free of the judgmental ey es of women with other men and simply ex ist without female influence. The concept of a gentlemans club is an ex cellent idea. Now, y ou may object, say ing that men hav e locker rooms, upscale cigar bars and other, limited, spaces, but those are inferior to the concept of men getting together with no other reason but to hang out with other men. Some men hav e single friends with apartments or perhaps houses where men can congregate, imbibe top-shelf brandy and play Tex as hold em. Y et, for most men, they dont hav e those options. Most men liv e in urban areas, necessitating a central location for men to gather to socialize. Most men dont understand how tight the bonds of men in the past were. Men who serv ed side-by side in trenches outside Paris, France in WW1 , men who trav eled together across the undocumented wilderness in early America or the men who toiled and suffered in coal mines in the woods of West V irginia during the Gilded Age. Ev en outside of these specific situations, often what carried a man through life wasnt just the lov e of his wife or children, but was the unshakable bondage with their fellow man. Technologically priv ileged people nowaday s might think, How did all those men get through the muck of life back then? The answer is simple: each other. Presently , most men dont usually ex perience tortuous situations such as killed in combat or liv ing on the fringe edge of pov erty with nary a nickel to buy y our child a coloring book. The battles men face today are ethereal and hidden as best society can. Men are socialized poorly , are isolated from one another in innumerable way s and are not giv en the tools to form a proper self-identity . Ideas like gentlemens clubs are ex cellent way s to help men improv e their liv es, gain a support network and achiev e to the best of their abilities. A network, a place where a man can know he has friends and allies is a great idea to help the modern man liv e his life to the fullest. RooshV Forum is a digital ex ample of this. Tightly controlled, with only certain men and men

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alone allowed to contribute, it weeds out men with no desire for personal betterment or transformation. If the forum was a phy sical place, it would be a tiny joint tucked away in a quiet part of town, away from the pry ing ey es of wider society . Leav ing fiduciary concerns aside, dues wouldnt be financial, but a commitment to add to the v alue of other men in the forum and to, also, better y ourself. Y ou would hav e guy s sitting at the bar, enjoy ing a particularly smooth, aged bottle of scotch, discussing the wider implications of Tinder on game. Y ou might hav e a couple guy s play ing billiards in another room, puffing on pipes filled with a particularly pungent V irginia-sty le tobacco, discussing their trav els to Osaka, Japan. Just as in The Breathing Method, at the close of the ev e, all the men would gather round the roaring, cackling fireplace, prov ided a small glass filled with nothing but Glenliv et Single Malt and ice and trade tall tales, the more outlandish the better.

This is what clubs were and should be. Places were men gather, ev en if to simply tuck y ourself away in the small library and read fiction all night, smoking cigars. It would simply be a place where men can ex ist, outside the conflicting and conflating pressures of the modern world, away from the bray ing and incessant complaining of women and a place where opinions and ex periences can be shared with no shrill politically -correct harpy screaming at the top of their lungs. Away from the white-knight conserv ativ es with notion of sav ing their precious white women from the machinations of play ers, fearless raw-doggers or any manner of man that these of sorts of sick knights find ex ecrable. A place where a man can sit back on a couch, pop open a bottle of Sam Adams and say , Fuck Lindy West! That bitch is nothing but one, massiv e av alanche of flesh! and is met with roaring laughter. A return of these sorts of clubs in real life is needed. I dont think it will happen on a wider, social scale as needed. Men will hav e to ferret away to Internet enclav es such as Return Of Kings to meet these sorts of needs. Howev er, what would be best is that men hav e these sorts of suspiciously v iewed haunts in the flesh. Read Nex t: True Friendship Is About Tough Love

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Men Need A Return Of The Male-Only Gentlemans Club

5 days ago

I must say this is wonderful and completely true. I've been working at a private business club in the states now for a few years. It has existed since 1898 and has hosted distinguished guests from all over the world. We had a separate women's entrance in which they had to enter, wait in the ladies lounge for their man friend, and be escorted to dinner. Since then, we have become completely integrated and women make up about 20% of our total membership.
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Julian Hicks

12 days ago

Hear, hear!
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17 days ago

Great article. Was married for 10 years, every few years I would give her another chance and try to listen to something she was saying. Nothing. Virtually all incoherent noise. She was super cute, thin, and eventually she would get naked, but even that got old.
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Mike Schonewolf

17 days ago

I think the manosphere is becoming an online gentleman's club, a place to get away from women, and talk about issues concerning men. Feminism has either done away from these clubs, or forced integration in these clubs, while still having female-only events, meetings, and forums. I say the gentleman's club needs to have a comeback.
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Heaven's Thunder Hammer

18 days ago

Normally I don't post on these, but on this one I had to. So my mother in law was visiting. Nice lady. Good wife by the standards of the forum. That said, I was talking to here about the lack of guys clubs / male space. Her response floored me: "Oh, we had to get rid of all the men's clubs & spaces. It was how men networked with each other and shut women out." I was kinda floored. She explained a bit more about what it was like in the 70s as a woman trying to network to get a small business going - nearly impossible without getting a man involved. I could sorta see her point... But she was just completely blind to the long term damage done to male culture. Sure, helped women "get in the door" and "network" for whatever that is worth. Say that's worth +1. I'd say the effect to men was -10. So society's net gain is -9.
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Towgunner77

19 days ago

Anyone in the Boston/Massachusetts area that wants to get something this started...reply and lets find a way to connect. Rejuvenating male only spaces is a critical first step in nullifying feminism and getting things back to normal, which very much includes ending male oppression. As Nike says "Just do it!"
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19 days ago

We already have a male only gentleman's club. It's at www.mgtowhq.com

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19 days ago

Its worse than you think. Straight women hit up male-oriented strip clubs. I never understood the thrill of that. That would be like me going to a female oriented strip club. Nope, I dont get thrills seeing a man shake his cock. Dont get how women get thrills seeing tits all over the place.
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josorio300 9 days ago

The appeal is that pretty much all women are a little bisexual.
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josorio300 19 days ago

I have seen gangs of girls descending on strip clubs, booking tables and http://www.returnofkings.com/29410/men-need-a-return-of-the-male-only-gentlemans-club

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I have seen gangs of girls descending on strip clubs, booking tables and buying bottles of champagne. Bizarre. Of course, these don't tend to be the the best kind of women....
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josorio300 19 days ago

They go where males are. They need attention like we need air.
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Molnr Andrs 19 days ago

Fortunately they usually only stay for 30 minutes when all the guys eyes are glued to the fat ass in their lap or the huge fake titties spinning around the pole. But yes, I've noticed it too.
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20 days ago

In my world that's called the clubhouse.

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Towgunner

20 days ago

I think we have an excellent chance at reviving male spaces. Hide in plain sight. And like ROK and Roosh's online forums...this is a first step of what I call "iCulture" or cultural molting. Like an animal that sheds it's parasitic skin every so often via the Internet we now have the tools, capability and freedom to shed contemporary culture outright! It IS happening right here but eventually we'll realize that many if not all of the new culture can manifest in actually reality. For instance, you want male only club? Relatively easy, first we should already have (and will with time) regional/local networks. Again made easier via the web. Someone brings this up and sooner or later a man or men rent out something and viola. I see this going all the way to male only sporting events and leagues. Just stay smart and discrete and those prying eyes will not notice, again hide in plain sight. Unauthorized clubs have flourished in repressive environments in the past, I.e. speakeasy etc.
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"Much like Roosh's forum ..."? Cheap publicity ... really.

20 days ago

I joined an organization called The Mankind Project because it professed to provide this type of "men's space". My advice is if you are considering the same, don't bother. Check out their FB page. The organization is rife with betas and liberals and gays, and everything they post is geared toward seeking "mommy's and wifey's" approval. Only PC attitudes are welcome, and if you are a straight white male, you'll be reminded of why the world's problems are your fault at every turn.
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Esteban 19 days ago

I checked out their site.... Wow! The Mankind Project? More like The Milquetoast Project!
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20 days ago
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Good article, but forums are a poor substitute for the real thing.

21 days ago

In my neighborhood, there was an underground pool hall that was owned by an old school Korean man which allowed exclusively men. There was an unspoken rule that invitees or friends were to be exclusively men. This worked wonders. We spent our nights shooting pool, drinking and actually conversing with each other about relevant things (business ideas, politics, education, career). We were even allowed to smoke inside (which is taboo in New Y ork thanks Bloomberg). Looking back, it's amazing to note how when men congregate exclusively with men, conversation centers around PROBLEM SOLVING and compiling information from the other dudes around to find solutions. Eventually though, some butch female health inspector discovered us and shut us down. The pool hall recently reopened, albeit a co-ed space. All the originals have

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long since abandoned the joint. I'm now in the process of retrofitting my basement as a small pool room that will allow us to converse and chill in peace. This ROK post actually reminded me of why I hate indoor smoking bans in NY C. It might sound a little conspiracy-theoryesque, but I think the success and promulgation of indoor smoking bans is linked to the desire of the political elites to make bars and restaurants more "pleasant" for everyone, (everyone being women).
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Jeremy92 20 days ago

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Excellent reply and great insight.

Purple Penguin

Jeremy92 20 days ago

I disagree with the second half, smoke doesn't add anything to a gentleman's club and it does put off many men.
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Jeremy92 20 days ago

Why don't you want to talk and solve problems with WOMEN? What is so wrong with us? Don't you think that women bring "that certain something" to all male company? Presence of women polish and sophisticates men.
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datbro

Lina 19 days ago

No, they really don't. And it was worse when this "polish" you speak of is just a thin veneer :(
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Lina 19 days ago

Lina, In the Anglosphere alone, your suggestion of allowing women in allmen company ended up in unfavorable moments at the very worst, to the point history recorded them purposely. 19th Century Victorian England: even prototypical single white female feminists like Virginia Woolf openly endorsed population control, abortion, and eugenics, while being a vocal anti-Semite. Even today's feminists don't know this. Deep South 19th Century USA: SWFs of the era purposely told the Ku Klux Klan to LY NCH innocent black men. I ran into a white female in real life who was shocked that a person of non-Angle stock learns of this very fact. The Late Margaret Thatcher. While her legacy is being touted as "Angle Feminism's Finest", she singlehandedly ruined England, working-class English men AND THEIR LIVELIHOODS, and openly supported Apartheid in South Africa.
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Lina 19 days ago

Do women want to talk about problem-solving? All I've ever experienced was getting talked AT about HER problems... and if I suggested logical solutions, I would be met with hostility for not expressing empathy and unrealistic flattery.
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Lina 20 days ago

Lol nothing's wrong with you. I just go to each gender for different types of problems. For example, I recently wanted to make some spare cash by selling some sweatshirts that my dad had overstock of from when he was in the garment business. Now I know five business owners, three men, and two women. The three men are extremely successful with what they do, for whatever reason. One woman, has atrocious business acumen, and the other (my aunt), gets by but not to the extent she wants. So, my decision to appeal to men to specific issues such as business is purely based on my personal anecdotal statistics. http://www.returnofkings.com/29410/men-need-a-return-of-the-male-only-gentlemans-club

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However, as a painter, I approach my female friends for suggestions because they have consistently had a better eye and notice the subtleties more than my male friends. I don't think who I approach for help or criticisms is purely based on a men know this, women know this, both men and women know this paradigm. I just base my future actions on the data I have available.
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Jeremy92 20 days ago

I hope you are the first one Roosh bans when he institutes the new zero tolerance for replying to females policy. Y ou just fed the troll with a fucking 30 page novel you fucking beta twit. Notice if you read the whole thread we even have females making suggestions about Mens clubs for us -- they are just so helpful arent they. Fuck the whole lot of you that reply to them.
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Lina 20 days ago

Almost every social interaction mixes men and women, you've got plenty of opportunities to have mixed conversations if you want them. Men only conversations are rare and precious. And no, women don't add a little something, it kills the "little something" men only conversation have. "Presence of women polish and sophisticates men." The presence of women makes men self-conscious, they watch their words to either impress women or at least to not offend them, which not only kills the problem-solving mindset but also makes conversations tame, dull, unnatural and often mildly hypocrite. All in all far less enjoyable for men.
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Lina 20 days ago

Because we need space and time away from you Lina. Y ou don't get it, and clearly don't want to get it, but the fact is that being around females day in and day out, 24/7 is mundane, boring and rather nerve wracking. Men enjoy the company of other men because we do, and that's all you need to know or care about it. If you don't like it, fine, but your dislike or misunderstandings are not of concern. Now go out and play, men are talking hon.
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Jeremy92 20 days ago

I'm all for smoky pool halls and shit, my pool hall is full of fools and popped collared queers.
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Lina

Andrew 20 days ago

Forget about these pool halls! There could be nice clubs for men and women, being together, discussing.
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Purple Penguin

Lina 20 days ago

Every place is already "nice place for men and women to discuss", no need for more of that. The most common way to still get that gentleman's club atmosphere is to do it at home (pool, poker, etc.) and to invite only people you want there.
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Purple Penguin 20 days ago
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Stop feeding her.

21 days ago

Why would successful men of ROK not know of men only clubs in your area? A well known club would be the Masons. Most Elks don't even have women members and they find if they do join, they quickly leave. I knew the first woman to infiltrate one of such mens only clubs and her sole reasoning was because she could, and why should it be just theirs, and kind of moreover a F them attitude that seemed so pointless that she just ruined everything for all the guys who loved being there. I kept my disagreement to myself. Y ou need to find a member to sponsor you and apply and if you're accepted, as long as you can pass a background check, you're in.
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Guest 20 days ago

I'm not sure if all men's boarding is a thing of the past but its worth looking into, and if you purchased a home or small hotel building zoned as such you may be able to keep women out without legal recourse. This excerpt made me think "it was common for young newly graduated men who had moved to London for the first time to live at their club for two or three years before they could afford to rent a house or flat." Like dorms with common bathrooms and a few boarding men, it would then be inappropriate for a woman.
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21 days ago

Oh cmon lets be realistic. If you think I or other women get offended by crude humor and fucking, you probably don't hang around many women in the first place. Sincerely, someone who gets more pussy than you do(and has a boyfriend)
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Esteban

Christina Wolfle 20 days ago

Clueless Christina, fingering girls doesn't make you a man, nor does it make you interesting. Kindly fuck off.
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Fooled No More

Esteban 20 days ago

Damned straight. Nothing more annoying than some troll twat who thinks she's sooo cool for being bi and then seeking out validation and attention for it by voicing it on a mens forum
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Molnr Andrs

Fooled No More 20 days ago

Why are you giving her attention? She is like air to me, totally invisible. And ugly.
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Molnr Andrs 20 days ago

Another reason we need to become a pay site. See how she baited those guys? They always throw in the "bi / les" card" too - just to rub your nose in it. At least they expose themselves for the filth they are.
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Molnr Andrs 20 days ago

I was speaking to Esteban, not the female in question.

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21 days ago

The intermediate and advanced classes at real martial arts schools (not McDojos) are predominantly or completely male. Women will often start the classes, but most will not get very far when it starts to get really difficult. The women who do make it are exceptions to the rule of women being frivolous and get along quite well. This is the closest that I have found to a male only space.
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Men Need A Return Of The Male-Only Gentlemans Club

21 days ago

I wholeheartedly agree. Secret men's business should remain so as it is actually very boring for women and vice versa.
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mr.wiener 19 days ago

Y ou raise an interesting point how feminisms supposed "breaking down the gender barriers" and blending male-female spaces is really just a group of elementary school girls looking to spy on the boys.
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PeterAndrewNolan

21 days ago

2Wycked, what you describe is exactly why we have BOTH A-MAN-ZON and WO-MANZON. We created different places for different audiences. On A-MAN-ZON we will allow both men and women to sell but we do not allow women to sell on a credit basis. This is because western women do not take the position that their signature on a contract is binding. Over time A-MAN-ZON and WO-MAN-ZON will gain more and more listings for sellers for those people who want to create a second economy. Those men who keep buying from the man hating sexist called Jeff Bezos can have no complaints they live in a femnazi world. They are funding it by supporting men like Bezos, Eric Schmidt, Larry Page, Sergy Brin, Mark Zuckeberg. I have proposed mens spaces from the MBA....and look how little response men have made in terms of wanting to join the MENS Business Association, eh? When men are READY to actually start collaborating and co-operating? I will welcome them with open arms in to the MBA. http://www.mensbusinessassocia...
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josorio300

PeterAndrewNolan 19 days ago

Id join but im poor.

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PeterAndrewNolan

josorio300 19 days ago

the create a product or service to sell.

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PeterAndrewNolan

21 days ago

2Wycked, With http://www.crimesagainstfather... I created separate sites for the women to register to if they were willing to sit on all womens juries in all womens courts and to hold women accountable for their crimes. We do not allow women to post in the mens forums. Occasionally I will post a womans comments in to the mens forums. Y ou, and anyone else, can go see the registration numbers. Y ou can see that women register at 10% of the men and the registration rate of the men is appalling. Y ou can also see that in ALL the womens forums there is not ONE comment by a woman. Women will not talk in spaces where there are no men for the most part. They want to be in the mens spaces so that they can manipulate and control the men. More male only spaces are a good idea. Dick Mastersons MABTW forums died because he allowed women there. It is quite simple. Women need to be banned from some mens spaces...they can have their own spaces. And the very fact that so few women are willing to register to
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RedneckCryonicist

21 days ago

Fortunately the cryonics idea acts as female Kryptonite (except for a few aberrational women - and the less said about these female airheads and scolds, the better.) I enjoy the mostly male company of cryonicists' gatherings.

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Men Need A Return Of The Male-Only Gentlemans Club

Hell, one of us even owns his own hotel and casino and has a net worth in the $1 billion range, namely, Don Laughlin. Y ou can't get much more self-made alpha male than that.
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hawsepiper

21 days ago

Phenomenal article! 2Wycked just hit it out of the park. One of the best parts of the life of a professional mariner is the camaraderie. My first 8 years as a merchant sailor, I worked on one ship with 16 of the 24 crewmen being permanent and on the same schedule as me- I spent more time with these guys than my own family and friends. Although it's been almost 15 years and he's pushing 80, I still am in weekly contact with my sea-daddy (trainer/mentor), and have stayed in contact with almost everyone- Although several of us are now captains in our own right, I still call for advice from the guys who I lived and worked with for so long. Experiencing danger, fun, misery and joy ties men together regardless of differences in class, ethnicity and politics... but more than that, breaking through the barriers that we rightfully keep up as men is also something that you just can't do with the opposite sex- things like miscarriages, deaths and divorce happen to us all as we age- when you are forced to admit your powerlessness in certain situations, whether it's combat, danger or a major life change, finding the support of your fellow man opens doors and bolsters your strength and resolve in a way that admitting your vulnerability to a woman does not. We do need gentlemen's clubs, or an equivalent. We can learn by osmosis, and build ourselves up without exposing ourselves to loss through shared experiences and discussion.
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