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B.JEYACHANDRAN
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Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
09/23/2009 10:22 AM
dear friend,
kindly any one explaine me what is the effect of knee point voltage in CT.
If one PX Class CT having Vk>300V, Ia<30 mA how i calculate this CT BURDEN also what is the primary current when
th ct is satsurated,
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
09/26/2009 2:26 AM
Dear friend,
Knee Point voltage is nothing but a point at which the CT saturates. Thatsy its always better to design the CTs which
can operate without saturation even at a voltage appears in the CT during fault condition. Pls find below the following
formula for calculating the Knee point voltage.
Vk=2If(Rct+2Rl).
where, If is the current refected to the CT secondary during fault condition,
Rct is the resistance of the CT which can be adopted by means of a thumb rule considering the CT ratio,
Rl is the lead resistance i.e. sum of the resistance of the wire connected between the relay & CT and Impedance
offered by the internal circuitary of the relay
For PS class CT's designed considering the above,burden is not applicable.
Pls revert back if you have any further queries.
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
09/26/2009 2:42 AM
dear friend,
thank you for your guidence, how i calculate the fault current limit in primary side with knee point voltage
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
09/26/2009 7:44 AM
Dear Friend,
Pls find below the formula for calculating the fault current,
Fault current(in KA) = Rated Curent/(% Impedance*1000)
% Impedence shall be calculated for the system from the point of source to the point of occurence of the fault.
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
09/28/2009 4:12 AM
Dear Manimaran,
Can you please explain, how to calculate Ia and what is its significance?
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09/28/2009 11:19 AM
dear friend,
thankyou friend
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
09/30/2009 12:38 PM
Dear member
For PX class CTs , the burden is not normally mentioned . There the CT is defiened based on the CT kneepoint voltage ,
magnetising current etc . The burden is mentioned in class P CTs
In PX class CTs the kneepoint voltage is normally based on the max fault current and a diamensioning factor based on
system X/R ratio
Ayub
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
09/30/2009 9:06 PM
Understand from above formula to calculate knee point voltage. Can you please explain how to calculate magnetising
current.
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
10/01/2009 12:24 AM
There is no formulae as such for calculating the magnetising current . However some a application demands minimum
value of mag current for relay setting ( eg; REF protection ). Iin any case a magnetising current of less than 30 mA
would be sufficient for most of the application
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
10/01/2009 3:31 AM
ya.. thats right.. there is no formula for calculating magnetising current. however, lesser the magnetising current,
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Re: Knee Point Voltage and Current Transformers
05/07/2012 7:57 AM
The formula for calulating the required magnetising current for the CT =
[(IOP / CT Ratio) - IR] / n
Where,
IOP = Relay operating current (absolute current value in terms of CT primary)
IR = Relay setting current (in terms of CT secondary)
n = Number of parallel CTs forming (87) protected zone
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