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BY
WILLIAMQ.JUDGE
THETHEOSOPHYCOMPANY
PREFACE
To emphasize the unique place of William Q. Judge in the Theosophical Movement, the Theosophy
Company planned to publish a book titled The Case for Mr. Judge. Material was accumulated toward
thisend,includinganumberofquotationstestifyingto the finequalities ofMr.Judge fromthose who
knewhim,manyofthemprominenttheosophists.Uponreflection,however,itwasdecidedthatstudents
of Theosophy familiar with the writings of Mr. Judge need no further evidence of his character, and
meretestimonyrespectinghisdevotionandveracitycarrieslittleweightwithothers.Itwasdetermined,
therefore, to let Mr. Judge speak for himself. Accordingly, two lengthy statements, long out of
circulation,arehereinreturnedtoprint.GiventhecrosscurrentsoriginatingfromoutsidetheMovement
atthattime,itislefttothereadertoevaluatewhatissaid.
First,isaletterfromMr.JudgetotheSun,anewspaperinNewYorkCitywhichchosethetitle:Isis
andtheMahatmas.itisaresponsetoanattackaimedatMr.JudgeandtheSocietywhichappearedin
theWestminsterGazette,aLondonnewspaper,latein1894.Second,isthefinalReplybyMr.Judgeto
thechargesagainst him, prepared for an informal meeting of members of the Theosophical Society in
Boston,April29,1895.
Although agreeing broadly on theosophical principles, some presentday students, unfamiliar with the
workofMr.Judge,donotagreeonthefactsconcerningprominentpersonagesoftheearlydaysofthe
Society. The purpose of this booklet then, is to answer questions and to dispel any doubts that may
lingerfromthepast,aswellastoinviteallwhohavenotbenefitedfromMr.Judgescontributionstothe
theosophicliterature,todoso.
Editors,
THEOSOPHY
FOREWORD
WEhavecrossedthethresholdofthefinaldecadeofthetwentiethcentury,anditseems clear that the
disintegrating forces that brought about the Judge Case in the last decade of the nineteenth century
struck a note of discord that continued as an undertone to seriously influence the work of the
Theosophical Movement for decades. It may be supposed, then, that today we are faced with a
comparable period wherein the general tone that will resonate through the Theosophical Movement
throughouttheentiretwentyfirstcenturywillbesoundedduringthenextfewyears.
From1875 to early 1896 the Messengers of the nineteenth century recorded a body of teachings now
known as modern Theosophy. As a complement to the writings of H.P.B., there are more than two
hundredclarifyingarticlesbyWilliamQ.Judge.Inadditiontothiswealthofmaterial,studentsalsohave
theadvantageoftheperspective provided by the events that have ensued since the death of H.P.B. in
1891andofMr.Judgein1896.Itisnowtimeforareview,thetimetotraceandreflectuponthekarmic
effectsresultingfromacenturyofactivitywithintheTheosophicalMovement.
H.P.B. said that in the interest of furthering truth, the vindication of calumniated but glorious
reputations,wasamonghergoalsinwritingIsisUnveiled,herfirstmajorwork.Itseemsfairtosuggest
thatstudentsoftodaymakeasimilareffortintheinterestoftruthandbrotherhood.
During the last three years of his life Mr. Judge was accused of forgery and a lack of
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squabbles,thechargeshaveleftdisquietingdoubtsinthemindsofsome.
AlmostimmediatelyafterMr.JudgeleftthesceneinMarch,1896,studentsconcernedforthefutureof
theTheosophicalMovementbegancallingforafullrevelationofthetensionsthathaddevelopedamong
prominent theosophical workers before his death. It might be recalled that the last two decades of the
nineteenthcenturywereespeciallytryingyearsforthosefurtheringtheCause.Missionariesandcertain
Brahmins did what they could to undermine H.P.B. and continued to stir trouble within the Society
followingherdeath.
Thebest way to resolve any questions concerning either H.P.B. or Mr. Judge and attain a glimpse of
their inner nature and character is through study of a significant portion of what they wrote on
Theosophy.Since1896therehasbeenanunbrokenlineoftheosophicalstudents,who,comingacross
theJudgeCase,discoveredforthemselvesthatMr.Judgewasunfairlyaccused.Thefactsareavailable
forstudentstoconsiderandreflectupon.
It is highly significant that two of the most visible members of the Society during the lifetime of Mr.
JudgeCol.H.S.OlcottandMrs.AnnieBesantarereportedtohaveacknowledgedinthelateyears
oftheirlivesthattheyhadunderestimatedMr.Judge.
On a trip to the United States in 1906, the year before his death, Col. Olcott spoke of H.P.B. as his
dear old colleague, and with respect to Mr. Judge, Mrs. Holloway recalled that he said, We learn
muchandoutgrowmuch,andIhaveoutlivedmuchandlearnedmore,particularlyasregardsJudge....
Iknow,anditwillcomfortyoutohearit,thatIwrongedJudge,notwillfullyorinmalicenevertheless,
I have done this and I regret it. In the early 1920s, Mr. B.P. Wadia, who had carefully studied the
claimsandevidencepresentedbybothsidesintheJudgeCase,questionedMrs.Besantonthesubject.
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backthat Mr. Judge had been mistreated, though she insisted that it would be wrong to bring this old
issuebacktolife.Mr.Wadiastronglydisagreedandfeltcompelledtowritethefollowing:
WithH.P.B.andCol.Olcott,hewasafounderoftheT.S.andworkedbytherightmethodofteaching
withallthosewhocameinhiscontact.HislifeandworkmustbejudgedbythesamestandardwhichI
havealwaysapplied to H.P.B.theillumination and inspiration of this teaching the internal evidence
ofthevalidityofhismessageanditsconsistencyandinaddition,thedovetailingofhisteachingswith
the teachings of the Secret Doctrine and I accept him as a good and true Theosophist who lived and
toiled, who fought and died, leaving behind his own legacy to the Theosophical Movement of the
century which began with 1875a valiant servant of the Lodge and the Masters, who has been
wrongedintheT.S.andwhoseteachingsremainunknowntothisdaytoitsmembers.IacceptWm.Q.
JudgeasatrueTheosophist,notonlybecauseofhisownfinecharacterandhisownwonderfulethical
teachings, but because he stuck to the line of the Masters and remained unto death faithful to the
OriginalProgrammewhichTheylaiddown.(AStatementbyB.P.Wadia,p.14.)
ItisgenerallyacknowledgedamongthoseusingthenameTheosophythattheoriginalprogram which
They laid down is embodied in the work of H.P.B., and it should be remembered, she called Mr.
Judge her coworker, one who has been part of herself for several aeons. He was, she said, for
AmericansthelinkbetweenthethoughtoftheirtimeandtheEasternsecretwisdom.
Thehallmark of genuine Theosophy is truth. In the first paragraph of Rounds and Races, an article
thatdiscussesdoctrinereachingbeyondtheperceptualfacultiesoftheFifthRootRace,Mr.Judgesays:
AfundamentalaxiominTheosophyisthatnooneshouldacceptasunquestionablytrue any statement
of fact, principle, or theory which he has not tested for himself. This does not exclude a reasonable
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only that blind credulity which sometimes passes for faith. As we understand the rule, it is that we
shouldatalltimeskeepaclearanddistinctboundarybetweenwhatweknow,andwhatweonlyaccept
provisionallyonthetestimonyofthosewhohavehadlargerexperienceuntilwereachapointofview
fromwhichwecanseeitstruth.Weoweittoourselvestoenlargethesphereofclearknowledgeandto
pushbackasfaraspossibletheboundaryofopinionandhypothesis.
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OnDecember3,1894,theNewYorkSunprintedthefollowingletterfromWilliamQ.Judge,together
withthetextofhislettertotheWestminsterGazette,inreplytotheelaborateattackwhichappearedin
the latter journal, under the title of Isis Very Much Unveiled. Mr. Judges reply was inserted in the
WestminsterGazetteofDecember8and10.
MR.JUDGESREPLY
ToTHEEDITOROFTheSun.
SIR, On Nov. 25th you devoted four columns of your editorial page to me, to the Theosophical
Society,andtotheMahatmas,spreadingbeforeyourreaderssomuchthatIwouldaskthefavourof
somespaceinyourpagesforareply.ItseemsbesttogiveyouacopyofthereplysenttotheLondon
WestminsterGazette,andtoaskyoutoinsertthatwiththesefewpreliminarywords:
Thesethreequestionshavebeenraised:(1)HaveIbeenhoaxingtheSocietybybogusmessagesfrom
theMahatmas?(2)Arethereanysuchbeings,andwhatarethey?(3)DotheprominentTheosophists
livebyormakemoneyoutoftheTheosophicalSociety?
Thelastquestioniseasilyanswered.Nomoneyismadetheentireworkisadeadmonetarylosstoallof
usthisistooeasilyprovedtomeritmorewords.Theconclusiontheworldlymanwillreachisthatwe
are a lot of fanatics who are willing to spend all our money for a movement which destroys personal
gainandglorywhichmakesallmenappearasequallysouls,thusdestroyingthepowerofthepriestin
earthorheaven,bringingthemonarchandtheproudtothesameplaceasthebeggarandthehumble,if
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totheessentialunityofallmenwhichsaystoeverymanthatheisGodintruthifhewillbutadmitit
which explains the mystery of life and the cause, with the cure, of sorrow. Let us be such fanatics as
this,butdonottrytoshowthatweareworkingformoneyorplace.
Afewnotesonlettersofminearebroughtforwardbythosewhocannotgiveanyexperttestimonyon
matterstoooccultfortheeye,anditissaidthatbecausethosenotesareonmylettersthereforetheyare
outofmybrain,merejokesofapassing hour, and that they never emanated from a Mahatma. I grant
thatinacourtoflawIcouldnotprovetheywerefromaMahatma.ButImostemphaticallydeny that
theyarehoaxesofmine.ThefactisthatIhavesentprobablyfivehundredormoremessagesfromthe
Masters to various persons all over the world during the last nineteen years they cannot be traced.
Theyareincorporatedinletterswrittenbyme,inmyhand,amongthesentencesoftheletters,andnever
namedasbeingsuchmessagestothosewhoreceivedthem.Thishasnotbeenallegedagainstme,butI
now give it out freely as a confession, if you please to so term it. But I have not tried in any way to
managetheSocietybysuchmessages.
Supposethechargeisfortheonceadmitted,whatdowefind?Thiscuriousfact,thatalthoughIknow
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manymenoflargemeanswhowouldbelievemewereItohandthem a message fromthe Masters,
andwhowouldgivemoneyforthose,Ihaveneverdoneso,andnevertriedatanytimetogaineither
powerormoneythus,whenallthetimetheSocietyneedsmoney.Apersonengagedatanytimeinthe
giving out of bogus messages would do it where it would be most useful in a worldly way. But here
there is no such thing. What motive is there, then and what consistency of pretence can be found? A
greathowlhasbeenraisedoverafew personal messages, and one relating to the retention of Colonel
Olcottinoffice,andallthetimetheotherfivehundredmessagesareunknownandunfound.Itseemsto
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attheletterandmissthetruthallthetimebeforethem.IwrotetotheeditoroftheWestminsterGazette
asfollows:
Sir,At the time your articles directed against the Theosophical Society under the above title were
appearing, I was lecturing in the country, and only within a few days have I seen your last numbers.
Timeisrequiredforwritingonsuchasubject,andatthisdistancefromLondonIcannotbeaccusedof
muchdelay.WiththegreatestinterestandamusementIhavereadyourlongseriesofarticles.Thewriter
isanableman,andyouandhetogetherconstituteoneoftheadvertisingagenciesoftheTheosophical
Society. The immense range of your notices cannot be well calculated, and very truly we could never
payforsuchanadvertisement.Do you mind keeping this part of my letter as all the remuneration we
cangiveyoufortheworkdonebyyouinthusadvertisingthemovementandbringingprominently to
thenoticeofourpublicthelongforgottenbuttruedoctrineofthepossibleexistenceofsuchbeingsas
Prof.Huxleysaysitwouldbeimpertinenttosaycouldnotexistinthenaturalorderofevolution?
Andwhile I look at it all as an advertisement, I cannot admire the treason developed therein, or the
spiteful,unworthytoneofit,northedivergencefromfactinmanycaseswhenitsuitedthepurpose,nor
theofficiousmeddlingintheprivateaffairsofotherpeople,northeignoringandfalsificationinrespect
topossiblemotive,madeoutbyyoutobegainbysomeofus,whenthefactisthatwearealllosersof
moneybyourwork.Thatfactacandidpersonwouldhavestated,andmarveledatitthatweshouldbe
willingtoslavefortheT.S.,andalwaysspendourmoney.Suchapersonwouldhavegiventhedevil
hisdue.Youhavesuppresseditandliedaboutit,andhenceitisnotadmirableinyou,butisquitemean
andlow.Youadvertiseusandthentrytobefoulus.Well,wegainbytheadvertisement,andthecourse
oftimewillwipeoffthesmallstainyoutrytopaintuponus.Whenyouandyourreadywriterareboth
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stillliveasabodyandbeaffectingthecourseofmodernthought,aswehavebeendoingfornearly
twentyyears.
Iamtheprincipalobjectofyourattack,thoughyoualsocruellyabuseawomanwhohaslongenough
foughttheworldofyourconventionalnation,andperhapsyouexpectmetoeitherriseandexplain,or
keepsilent.Well,Iwilldoneither.Iwillspeak,butcannotfullyexplain.Yourpaperisaworldlyforum,
a sort of court. In it there is neither place nor credence for explanations which must include psychic
things,facts,andlaws,aswellasfactsandcircumstancesoftheordinarysort.WereItoexplaininfull,
noonewouldbelievemesavethosestudentsoftheoccultandthepsychicalwhoknowpsychiclawand
fact.Thosewhodoubt,andwishalltobereducedtothelevelofcompassandsquare,ofeyeandword
ofmouth,wouldstillbedoubters.Nothingwouldbegainedatall.Thatdifficultynointelligentperson
who has had psychic experience can overlook. That is why you are quite safe from a suit for libel. I
assureyouthathadyoupublishedsomethingnotsoinextricablytangledupwithpsychicphenomenaI
should be glad to have you in court, not to soothe wounded feelings I have not, but to show that our
faultylawandsocalledjusticedosometimesrightsomewrongs.
Letme first emphatically deny the inference and assertion made by you that I and my friends make
money out of the T.S., or that the organization has built up something by which we profit. This is
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untrue,anditsuntruthisknowntoallpersonswhoknowanythingatallabouttheSociety.Nosalaries
arepaidtoourofficers.Wesupportourselves,orprivatelysupporteachother.Ihaveneverhadapenny
from the Society, and do not want any. The little magazine, The Path, which I publish here in the
interestoftheSociety,isnotsupportedbysubscriptionsfrommembers,butlargelybyothers,anditis
kept up at a loss to me, which will never be paid. I publish it because I wish to, and not for gain.
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whatispaidinforfeesanddues.Theduesarebutfourshillingsayear,andthreetimesasmuchasthat
isexpendedinthework.Wheredoesitcomefrom?Outofourprivatepockets,andifIhadamillionI
would spend it that way. My friends and myself give our money and our time to the Society without
hopeordesireforanyreturn.Wemaybefanaticsprobablyarebutitisfalseandmalicioustoaccuse
us of using the Society for gain. The only payment we get is seeing every day the wider and wider
spreadoftheosophicaltheoriesoflife,manandnature.Iamreadytosubmitallourbooksandvouchers
to any auditor to support these statements. And you were in a position to find out the facts as I have
giventhem.
Itis also absolutely untrue, as you attempt to show or infer, that the Society grows by talking of the
MahatmasorMasters,orbyhavingmessagessentroundfromthem.Themovementhereandelsewhere
ispushedalongthelineofphilosophy,andeachoneislefttodecideforhimselfonthequestionofthe
Mahatmas. Messages from the Masters do not go flying round, and the Society does not flourish by
any belief in those being promulgated! Nor am I, as you hint, in the habit of sending such messages
abouttheSociety,norofinfluencingthecourseofaffairsbyusinganysuchthing.Sendoutandaskall
themembers,andyouwillfindIamcorrect.ItistruethatthoseMasterstellmepersonally,whatIamto
do,andwhatisthebestcoursetotake,astheyhaveinrespecttothisveryletterbutthatissolelymy
ownaffair.CouldIbesuchafoolastotellallotherstogobywhatIgetformyownguidance,knowing
howsuspicious,andmaliciousisthehumannatureoftoday?Youareonthewrongtrack,myfriend.
ButyouwererightwhenyousaidthatMrs.Besantmadearemarkablechargeinregardtome.Thatis
true,andMr.Chakravarti,whomyouname,is,asyoucorrectlysay,thepersonwhoisresponsibleforit.
That was told by Mr. Old to your writer. Before she met Chakravarti she would not have dreamed of
prosecutingme.Thisisamatterofregret,but,whileso,Ifailtoseehowyouaidyourcaseagainstme
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dragging the thing in thus publicly, unless, indeed, you intend to accuse him or her of going into
conspiracyagainstme.
TherearetwoclassesofMessagesfromtheMasterschargedtomebyyouandthatsmallsectionof
the T.S. members who thought of trying me. One class consists of notes on letters of mine to various
persons the other of messages handed to Mrs. Besant and Colonel Olcott and enclosures found in a
lettertoColonelOlcottfromamaninCalifornia.
IhaveneverdeniedthatIgaveMrs.BesantmessagesfromtheMasters.Ididso.Theywerefromthe
Masters.Sheadmitsthat,butsimplytakesonherselftosaythattheMastersdidnotpersonallywriteor
precipitate them. According to herself, then, she got from me genuine messages from the Masters but
shesaysshedidnotlikethemtobedoneormadeinsomeformthatsheatfirstthoughttheywerenotin.
Ihavenot
admitted her contention I have simply said they were from the Master, and that is all I now say, for I
willnottellhoworbywhatmeanstheywereproduced.Theobjectiveforminwhichsuchamessageis
ofnoconsequence.Letitbewrittenbyyour Mr.Garrett, ordrop out ofthe misty air,or comewitha
clapof thunder. All that makes no difference, save to the vulgar and the ignorant. The reality of the
messageistobetestedbyothermeans.Ifyouhavenotthosemeansyouarequiteatseaastothewhole
thing. And all this I thought was common knowledge in the Theosophical world. It has long been
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publishedandexplained.
OneofthosemessagestoMrs.BesanttoldhernottogotoIndiathatyear.Igotitin California, and
thentelegraphedittoherinsubstance,latersendingthepaper.Ihadnointerestinnothavinghergoto
Indiathatyear,butknewshewouldgolater.Theothermessageswereofapersonalnature.Theywere
alltrueandgood.AtthetimeIgavethemtoherIdidnotsayanything.ThatIneverdenied.Itwasnot
thought by me necessary to insult a woman of her intellectual ability, who had read all about these
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posedtoknow.ThosewhothinkthesemessageswerenotfromtheMasterarewelcometodoubtit,as
farasIamconcerned,forIknowthenaturalnessofthatdoubt.
WhenColonelOlcottresignedIwasfirstwillingtolethimstayresigned.ButIwassoondirectedby
anothermessagetopreventitifIcould,andatoncecabledthattohimandwenttoworktohavethe
Americansectionvoteaskinghimtostayinoffice.AsIwasthepersonmentionedtosucceedhim,we
also, to provide for contingencies, resolved that the choice of America was myself for successor. But
when he revoked, then my successorship was null and void until voted on at another period not yet
reached.ButitisabsolutelyfalsethatIsentanemissarytohimwhenIfoundhewasmindedtostayin
office. Ask him on this and see what he says. I leave that to him. Truly enough I made an error of
judgmentinnottellingtheinfluentialLondonmembersofmymessagewhenItoldOlcott.Butwhatof
that? I did not tell the Americans, but left their action to the dictates of their sense and the trend of
friendshipandloyaltytoourstandardbearer.TheEnglishvotedagainstOlcottbydoingnothing,butI
askedtheminthesamewayasIaskedtheAmericanstorequesthimtorevoke.Theyhadtheirchance.
As India had done the same as America, I saw the vote was final, as my message directed, and so I
dropped it from my mindone of my peculiarities. I certainly did not use any pressure by way of
messagesfrom the Masters, on anyone as to that, save on Olcott. And he reported a message to the
sameeffecttohimself.DidIinventthatalso?Mymessagetohimwascopiedbymeonmytypewriter
andsenttohim.IdiditthusbecauseIknewofspiesaboutOlcottofwhomIhadwarnedhimtolittle
effect.Oneofthoseconfessedandcommittedsuicide,andtheotherwasfoundout.
Amessage was found in a letter from Abbott Clark, a Californian, to Colonel Olcott. This you say I
madeandputintheletter.IhaveaffirmationofMr.Clarkonthematter,whichIsendyouherewith,to
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wish.Itdoesnotbearoutyourcontention,butshowsthecontrary.ItalsoshowsthathislettertoColonel
Olcott was opened in India by some other person before being sent to Colonel Olcott. You can make
whateverinferenceyoulikefromthis.
{TheaffirmationofAbbottClarkappearsintheReplytoChargesofMisuseofMahatmasNamesand
Handwritingsseepage40hereinEds.]
YourstatementaboutputtingaquestioninacabinetforananswerwhenIstayedintheroomandMrs.
Besantwentout,isfalse.NosuchthingtookplaceIdenythattherewasanysuchthingasareception
ofanswersinasealedenvelopeinacloseddrawer.Thisissupremeboshfrombeginningtoend,and
cannotbeprovedbyanybodystestimonyunlessyouwillacceptperjury.
At the same time I can now say, as the sole authority on the point, that several of the contested
messages are genuine ones, no matter what all and every person, Theosophist or not, may say to the
contrary.
YouhavemuchtalkaboutwhatyousayiscalledtheMastersSeal.Youhaveprovedbytheaidof
Colonel Olcott that the latter made an imitation in brass of the signature of the Master, and gave it to
H.P.B.asajoke.Youtraceittoherandthereyouleaveit,andthenyouthinkIamobligedtoproveI
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did not get it to prove negatives again when it has never been proved that I had it. I have long ago
deniedallknowledgeoftheMastersSeal,eithergenuineorimitated.Idonotknowifhehasasealif
he has I have not yet been informed of it the question of a seal owned by him as well as what is his
writingorsignaturearebothstillbeclouded.Noneofthememberswhohavebeeninthisrecenttrouble
knowwhatisthewriting,ortheseal,orthemarkoftheMaster.ItwaslongagotoldbyH.P.B.thatthe
socalledwritingoftheMasterwasonlyanassumedhand,andnorealknowledgeisathandastohis
havingaseal.Ihaveseenimpressionssimilartowhatyouhavereproduced,butitisofnoconsequence
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me.IftherewereamillionimpressionsofsealsonamessagesaidtobefromtheMaster it would add
nothingtothemessageinmyeyes,asothermeansmustbeemployedfordiscoveringwhatisandwhat
isnotagenuinemessage.
Seals and ciphers do not validate these things. Unless I can see for myself by my inner senses that a
messageisgenuineIwillnotbelieveit,beitloadedwithsealsIdonotknow.AsIknowthethousand
andonemagicalwaysbywhichimpressionsofthingsmaybeputonpaper,evenunconsciouslytothe
humanchannelorfocus,Ihaverelied,andaskotherstorely,ontheirowninnerknowledge,andnotto
trusttoappearances.Othersmaythinktheselittledecorationsofimportance,butIdonot.Ineverasked
anyoneatanymeeting,private or public, to note or observe the sealimpression you give. Others may
havedoneso,butIdidnot.Othersmayhavegoneintolabouredargumentstoshowthevalueofsucha
thing,butIdidnot.Thewholematterofthissocalledsealissoabsurdandchildishthatithasmademe
laugheachtimeIhavethoughtofit.
NowIcandonomorethandeny,asIherebydoabsolutely,allthechargesyouhavebeenthemeans
ofrepeatingagainstme.Ihavedeniedthemverymanytimes,forIhaveknownofthemforabouttwo
years and ahalf. My denial is of no value to you, nor to those who think there is no supersensual
worldnortothosewhothinkthatbecauseconjurorscanimitateanyphysicalphenomenonthereforethe
latter has no existence nor to those who deny the possibility of the existence of Mahatmas, or Great
Souls.Thesethingsareallfoolishnesstosuchpersons,andIamwillingtoletitstaythatway.WereIto
gointoallthedetailsofallthemessagesyoureferto,andwereItogetfromthosewhoknow,asIcan,
the full realization of all that is involved in these messages on my letters which I saw after the July
investigationwasended,Iwouldbeopeningtheprivatedoorstothesecretheartsofothers,andthatI
will not do. Already I know, by means not generally accessible, altogether too much of the private
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ofmanyofthesepeople,andhavenodesiretoknowmore.
Someof the matters you cite are related to a private body once called the Esoteric Section, which is
protectednominallyso,itseems,amongyourinformantsbyapledge.Thebreakingofthatbyothers
givesmenorighttoaddtotheirbreach.Icannot,likeMr.Oldandothersmoreprominent,violatethe
confidencesofothers.Hisrevelationscannotbeanalysedbymeinpublic.Heisinthepositionofthose
MasonswhohaveattemptedtorevealthesecretsofMasonryandeitherthepublichaslistenedtoaliar
or to one who has to admit that he does not regard his solemn obligation as worth a straw when it
obstructs his purposes in either case the information cannot be relied upon. His account and yours
containsomanymisrepresentationsthatnoneofithasanyseriousconsiderationforme.
AndMr.Oldsrevelationsorthoseofanyothermembers,amounttonothing.Therealsecretshavenot
been revealed, for they have not been put in the hands of such people they have been given only to
thosewhohaveshownthroughlongtrialandmuchlabourthattheyareworthytohavethefullrelation
of the plans of the MasterBuilder exposed to their gaze. Let the dishonest, the perjured, and the
vacillatinggoonwiththeirrevelationstheywillhurtnoonebutthemselves.
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Now,astotheinvestigationatwhichyouhavelaughed.Igrantyouitwasmatterforlaughterfrom
outside to see such a lot of labour and gathering from the four quarters to end in what you regard as
smoke.Now,mydearsir,IdidnotcalltheEnquiryCommittee.Iprotestedagainstit,andsaidfromthe
beginningitshouldneverhavebeencalledatall.MustIbearthebruntofthatwhichIdidnotdo?Must
Iexplainallmylifetoacommitteewhichhadnorighttocometogether,forwhichtherewasnolegal
basis?ItwascalledinordertomakemegiveupanofficialsuccessionIdidnothavemonthsbeforeit
metIsaiditwouldcometonothingbutadeclaration,writtenbyme,ofthenondogmaticcharacterof
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giveme no credit for this foreknowledge? Was it guess, or was it great ability, or did it come about
throughbribery,orwhat?Iwastoldtousetheopportunitytoprocureanofficialdeclarationthatbelief
in Mahatmas or Masters was not, and is not, one of the tenets of the Theosophical Society, and I
succeededinsodoing.Imighthavebeenaccusedasanindividualandnotasanofficialmember.But
by the influence of Mr. Chakravarti, whom you mention, the whole power of the Society has moved
against me, so as to try and cut me down, root and branch, officially and privately, so that it might
therebybemadesurethatIwasnotsuccessortothePresidency.Thisisthefact.ThatiswhyIforgave
them all, for it is easy to forgive in advance, I forgave them, since they furnished such a splendid
official opportunity for a decision we long had needed. The odium resulting from the attempt to try
occult and psychical questions under common law rules I am strong enough to bear and up to date I
havehadalargeshareofthat.
Irefused a committee of honour, they say. I refused the committee that was offered, as it was not of
persons who would judge the matter rightly. They would have reached no conclusion save the one I
nowpromulgate,whichis,thatthepublicproofregardingmyrealordelusivecommunicationsfromthe
Mastersbegins and ends with myself, and that the committee could not make any decision at all, but
wouldhavetoleaveallmemberstojudgeforthemselves.ToarriveofficiallyatthisIwouldhavetoput
manypersonsinpositionstheycouldnotstand,andtheresultthenwouldhavebeenthatfarmorebad
feeling would come to the surface. I have, at least, learned after twenty years that it is fruitless to ask
judges,whohavenopsychicdevelopment,tosettlequestions,theonehalfofwhichareintheunseen
realmsofthesoul,wherethecommonlawofEnglandcannotpenetrate.
ThemessagesfromtheMastershavenotceased.Theygoonallthetimeforthosewhoareableand
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writetheyhavegonetosome,andinrelationtothisveryaffair,andinrelationtootherrevelationsand
pledgebreakings. It is a fact in experience to me, and to friends of mine who have not had messages
from me, that the Masters exist, and have to do with the affairs of the world and the Theosophical
movement.NoamountofargumentorMaskelyneishexplanationwilldriveoutthatknowledge.Itwill
bear all the assaults of time and foolish men. And the only basis on which I can place the claim of
communicationsbytheMasterstome,sofarastheworldisconcerned,ismylifeandacts.Ifthosefor
thelasttwentyyearsgotoprovethatIcannotbeincommunicationwithsuchbeings,thenallImaysay
onewayortheothermustgofornought.
Whyso many educated Englishmen reject the doctrine of the perfectibility of man, illustrated by the
fact of there now existing Masters of Wisdom, passes my comprehension, unless it be true, as seems
probable,thatcenturiesofslaverytotheabominableideaoforiginalsin,astaughtbytheology(andnot
byJesus),hasreducedthemalltothelevelofthosewho,beingsuretheywillbedamnedanyway,are
certaintheycannotrisetoahigherlevel,orunlessthegreat god of conventionality has them firmly in
hisgrasp.Iwouldratherthinkmyselfapotentialgodandtrytobe,asJesuscommanded,perfectasthe
FatherinHeavenwhichisimpossibleunlessinusisthatFatherinessencethantoremaindarkened
and enslaved by the doctrine of inherent original wickedness, which demands a substitute for my
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salvation. And it seems nobler to believe in that perfectibility and possible rise to the state of the
Mastersthantoseewithsciencebuttwopossibleendsforallourtoilonetobefrozenupatlastandthe
othertobeburnedup,whenthesuneithergoesoutorpullsusintohisflamingbreast.
WILLIAM0.JUDGE
NewYork,Nov.26,1894

REPLYBYWILLIAMQ.JUDGE
ToChargesof
MisuseofMahatmasNamesandHandwritings.
Read at Boston Mass., on the afternoon of April 29, 1895, after the T.S. Convention, by Dr. A.
KeightleyonbehalfofW.Q.Judge,beforeaninformalcrowdedmeetingoftheDelegatesandvisiting
members.

FOR over twelve months the attention of the Theosophical Society has been taken up by serious
chargesmadeagainst
me by a fellowmember. A mass of circulars, statements and letters has been poured forth about the
case, and the greatest activity has been shown by the accusers in the effort to completely blacken my
characteranddestroy,ifpossible,myusefulness.Thisactivityandvirulenceseemtobeconfinedtothe
EuropeanandIndianSections,especiallytotheEuropean.
Ihave already made three replies to these accusations, once in the Westminister Gazette, once in the
NewYorkSun,andonceintheformalstatementmadeattheJulyEuropeanConvention.
Beforethepresentattackvaguechargesweremadeforoverayear.TheycamefromIndia.Butitwas
notuntilafterthearrivalinEuropeoftheBrahmandelegatetotheReligiousParliamentatChicago,and
hisresultingintimateacquaintancewithMrs.Besant,andafterherarrivalinIndia,thatanydefiniteform
orgreatpublicitywasgiventotheaccusations.ShecametoAmericawithhim,workedherewithmeat
theParliament,professingformetheoldfriendshipandconfidencebut,Iregrettosay,havinghermind
full(asIdiscoveredafterwardfromherself),ofherplantoaccusemesubsequentlyandforcemeoutof
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matteratthattime.WhenshearrivedinIndiashenotifiedmeinlettersofwhatwascoming.Theywere
tothispurport:thatthematterhadbeenlongonhermindthatshehadconcludedthatcommunications
throughme,saidtobefromtheMaster,werenotsobutwereforgeriesbymethatIwasavictimand
ledawaybyahighexample,whichmeant,asIlearnedfromherself,thatH.P.B.wasmyhighexample
in fraud, who had herself forged and authorized me to do the same that this must be confessed and
wouldbeforgiventhatImustatonceresignmyofficeintheT.S.andE.S.butifIwouldnotgiveup
my offices and confess she would lay evidence to prove my guilt before a Committee she ended by
informingmethatshehadbeenofferedthePresidencyoftheSocietyandwasconsideringit.Atnotime
and in no letter to me did she ask for an explanation or denial, or propose that privately we might
explain and perhaps clear up obscurities. Her letters were of a sort that rendered quite impossible
anythingbutflatdenialanddeterminedrepulse.
InFebruary,1894,Col.OlcottsentmeofficialnoticethatIwascharged,asVicePresident,withmisuse
of the names and handwritings of the Mahatmas, meaning forgery and hum bugging of members by
falselypretendingtoreceiveandtransmitmessagesfromtheMasters.Coupledwiththisandshowing
the same prejudgmentwere the alternatives of resignation for which was promised silence and
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hushingupofthe charges, orthe tryingofthecase before a Committee meantonly fortryingthe two
highestofficersoftheSocietyforoffensesinoffice.IatoncetelegraphedtoCol.OlcottandMrs.Besant
denyingthecharge.Col.Olcottactedas notifier to me of the charge and Mrs. Besant acted as official
prosecutor.
Iimmediately raised the objection that the charge regarding messages from Masters could not be tried
becauseitwouldinvolvetheT.S.indogmatismandthefurtherobjectionthattheproperplacetotryme
wasbeforemyBranchasthealleged acts were not done by the officer, VicePresident. Both of these
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Council of the T.S. consisting of Col. Olcott, B. Keightley and G.R.S. Mead the Judicial Committee
concurredinthedecision.
ButtherewasanobjectinaccusingmeasVicePresident.Thechiefprosecutorhassaidinthepresence
ofmanypersonsthatshewouldnotprosecutemeasanindividual,andthattheobjectoftheattackwas
tomakemegiveuptheVicePresidencyandanofficewhichshecalledSuccessortothePresidency
but which had no existence. Her letters make it quite plain that there was a plan that as soon as my
resignationshouldbesecuredCol.OlcottwouldresignandMrs.BesantbeputupforthePresidency.
Thismethodofattack,callingfortheconveningofsuchaprominentandimportantcommittee,created
widespreadanddeepexcitementintheT.S.forwhichIcannotbeheldresponsible.Theofficialdecision
shows that the charge should never have been made in that manner, but should have been before my
Branch. The right way has never been adopted because they did not wish that mode. But by the
newspapers, by circulars, by virulent public speeches, the prosecutors have continued the attack ever
since,andhaveapparentlysucceededinstainingmycharacterintheeyesofmanypeopleinallpartsof
theworld.
Thecharge first mentioned having been duly notified to me, the prosecutor drew up what should be
called the specifications, but which she and many others continue to call charges. They were laid
before the Committee, but of course not tried. They were six in number but should have been less as
they are drawn in an unworkmanlike manner by an amateur. But since then several new cases have
been brought forward by others and furnished to London newspapers. For all I can tell the original
prosecutormayhaveaddednewonesalso.
WhentheCommitteefellthroughIwasaskedtotrythematterbeforeaCommitteeofHonor, which I
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course would not be allowed to compose the entire body my enemies were proposed for it none of
thosementioned,proposed,oravailable,wereoccultistscapableoftryingthequestionsinvolved.The
main,infacttheonlyrealquestions,werewhetherIwasabletocommunicatewiththeMahatmas,hadI
suchcommunications,andwerecertainmessagesdeclaredbymetobefromMahatmasreallysoornot.
Thesecouldnotbetriedasifwewereinquiringintoalandcaseoradebtonanotetheymustbetried
by those who know the Masters and know occultism, or are willing to be guided by the laws and
principles of occultism. Hence I refused the Committee. I gave as my outer reason one which was
perfectlytrue,towitmywitnessesandmycasewerenotready,Ihavingknowninadvancethatthere
couldbenotrial.
Nowtheaccusationsrestondocumentaryproofs.Thatis:uponletterswrittenbymeuponmemoranda
notinmyhandappearingonthoselettersanduponotherpapersandmemoranda,suchforinstanceas
anoldcablegramtoB.KeightleyfromH.P.B.ofmanyyearsago.
Thereisnotestimonywhichhadtobeofferedbyanywitnessinordertosustainthesixcharges,except
as to a conversation between Col. Olcott and myself, the witnesses there being Col. Olcott, Dr.
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Anderson and myself. The whole case on the side of the prosecution, legally consisted then in simply
puttingbeforethejudgesthedocumentsandthetestimonytotheconversation,unlesstheyhadexperts
onthequestionofhandwriting,whichtheyshouldhavehad.
But,althoughthechargesrestedonthosedocuments,theprosecutorssimplyproposedto give extracts
frommylettersassuitedthemanddidnotproposetoputinevidencetheentireletters.Mrs.Besantalso
proposedtoindulgeinalongargumentativestatement,notrestingonevidenceandsuchasnocourtof
justicewouldadmitsaveasaprosecutorsinflammatoryaddresstoajury.Thiswastogoin,according
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matoryandargumentativeaddresstheprosecutorhaspersistedincallingtheevidence.Itisnothingof
thesort.
1
Now,asIhavealreadysaidinprint,theprosecutorshavekeptfrommeallthosedocumentsduringall
thetimeIwasinLondon,saveatthelastasIshallalsoshowyouandtheyneglected,duringthatperiod
togivemeanyinspectionofthepapers,someofwhichwereovertenyearsoldandallofwhichIwas
expected to explain at the risk of my reputation. I speak advisedly that the actions of those concerned
raise a weighty presumption of deliberate intention not to let me see the documents. When I arrived,
July,5th,Iaskedforthedocuments,foraninspection,andforcopies.Thiswasmyright,andwhenwe
knowthefactthatopenenemiesofmine,aswellasthepress,weregivencopiesandfacsimilesofthe
documents,itwasstill moreimperativefor me tohavethem. They were promised but not given. Day
afterday,therequestwasmadeandpromisegivenbutnotfulfilled.AtthemeetingoftheCommittee,I
asked for the copies and for the inspection. Reflect that in the ordinary course of the dreams of the
prosecutors,thatwasthedaythepapersweretobesprungonmeandtrialopened.AtthatmeetingMr.
Burrows,representingEurope,declaredthatIoughttobefurnishedwithcopies,towhichtheprosecutor
replied,Certainly,whyofcourse.Buttheywerenotfurnished.Onthe19th,mytrunkbeingpacked
asIhadtogotoLiverpooltotakesteamerhome,ImadeafinaldemandonMrs.Besantforthepapers
andinspection.Shesaid,ButIhavegiventhemtoCol.Olcottthelegalowner.Bytheway,hewas
notthelegalownerofmyletterstoH.P.B.IwentatoncetoCol.Olcott,reiteratedtohimthedemand,
andhesaid,Oh,whyIvejustsentthemtoIndia.What,Isaid,when didyou? Justnow, they
areallpackedupandgoneoff.WhyOlcott,Isaid,youarenotgoingtherefortwomonths,whydid
youdoso?Imustseethem,

1
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IthenwentbackandtoldMrs.BesantwhatOlcottsaid,andthatIwouldgotothenewspapersandput
thethinginthepressasmynearestredress.ShethenrantoCol.Olcottsroominthenexthouse.Ina
few minutes she returned and said it was now all right. I then went back to Olcotts room, Dr. Buck
beingwithmewasthenlateintheafternoonandOlcottinformedmethathehadmadeamistake,
theywereinhisdespatchbox.Then in his room I hurriedly examined what papers he had, and took
rapidshorthandunverifiedcopiesofafewoftheshorterones.Twoorthreewerelonglettersofmineto
H.P.B. and Damodar of years ago some were long, to Olcott, and one, a long one, contained also a
sheetoftypewrittenmatterbymewhichisinvolvedinoneofthecharges.TheseIcouldnotcopy,and
Idistinctlytoldhim I was only making memoranda and he must furnish me with copies. He promised
then,inDr.Buckspresence,tosendmethecopies.Tothisdayithasnotbeendone.Recollectthatall
of the papers were allowed to get into the hands of W.R. Old, who made complete copies, took
facsimiles,andfurnishedbothtoanewspaperinimicaltoTheosophyandTheosophists.Recollectalso,
that when I had but the general main charge and no details, enemies and newspapers on the Pacific
CoastwerepublishingdetailssentthemfromtheIndianHeadquarterspeople.Andfurther,threemonths
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before the expected trial I wrote the prosecutor demanding full particulars and specifications, ending
with these words:As a Theosophist I call your attention to the fact that although you and the
PresidentknowthatIhaveforalongtimedemandedfactsandparticulars,Ihavenotyetreceivedthem,
andthatunderthesechargesarefactsallegedwhichImusthavetimetomeetandshouldbeapprisedof
andthatyouractiononitsfacepettifogsthewholecase,asifyouwishedtoentrapmewhenawayfrom
mystation,asIwillbeinLondon.Fromspitefulenemiesonthiscoast(California) I learn through the
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obtainnothingbutthesevagueandindefinitecharges.InreplyIreceivedacopy of her statement for
thecommitteecontainingincompleteextractsfromthedocuments. I did not want this paper. It was an
inflammatoryaddress.Itwasmyintentiontoobjecttothereadingofsuchapaperfullofassumptions.
OthersaswellasOld,theWestminsterGazette,Coleman,Shroffallenemiesandsomenotmembers
oftheT.S.evenhavehadthedocuments,orseenthem,orhadcopies.AParseejudgeinIndiawrites
thatforsomeyearshehasbeenconversantwiththem.ThisherecentlywrotetoDr.Hartmann.Itwould
seemthatfear,oradespicableplantotryandentrapme,hasmadetheprosecutorsrefusethesecopiesto
me.Lastly,Col.Olcott,writingmeFebruary26,1895,finallyviolatingthepromisemade,says:
Idontknowwhereyougetyourlawfrom,buthangmeifIeverheardofanaccusedwhohasbeen
furnishedwithacopyofthechargespendingagainsthimexpectingthatthedocumentaryproofsinthe
hands of the Prosecuting Attorney shall be given him before the issue is on for trial. By quashing the
triallastJulyyourenderedthepapersinmyhandnonvalidsofarasthecasestoodatthatstage.Ihave
givencopiestonobody:Oldscopiesweretakenbyhimbeforetheactionbeganandwhilehewasthe
custodianofthedocumentspriortotheircomingintomypossession.Hehadnorighttotakethemorto
usethem.HowmanyduplicateshemayhavemadeandgivenoutIcannotimagine.
VeryqueerTheosophyandBrotherhoodhisletterindicates.Hegaveallthepaperstothesepeoplehe
doesnt seem to care how many of my enemies may have copies to use and to distort, but it is very
certainheisnotgoingtofurnishanytome.Hislawiswrong,foranytyroatthebarknowswellthat
inspection and copying of documents before trialeven the photographing of themis a legal right.
Butsurely,Theosophistsshouldnotbemorestrictthanlegalprocedureis.Itmustbeobviousthen,that
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Iwillnotbeentrappedbyattemptingtorecollectwrittenpapersnotbeforeme.
Letusnowtakeupthesixchargesfiledbytheprosecutor.AtthesittingoftheCommitteeavirtuewas
madeofaformalwithdrawalofchargeNo.1.ButIwillprintit.Indeeditliesatthebaseofthewhole
attackasitwasintendedtodestroymycredibility,sothat,nofaithbeinggivenme,itwouldbeeasyto
build up assumptions for everything and throw suspicion on perfectly innocent acts. The reason given
forwithdrawingthiswasthatitmeanttheusingofmyoldprivateletterstoH.P.B.,andtheprosecutor
didnotliketofaceEnglishcondemnation of this. This was pure conventionality, for surely the use of
myletterstoH.P.B.whichIwasreadyanyhowtoconcedewasharmlesswhencomparedwiththe
violent attack on my good name and fame which the prosecutor was carrying on and has for a year
continuedquiteasvirulently.Thepaperofthesocalledchargesisasfollows.Itfollowsnoruleoflegal,
military,orecclesiasticalprocedurewithwhichIamfamiliar.Therealchargewas theonesentme by
Col.OlcottofmisuseofMahatmasnamesandhandwritingsthesesocalledchargesshouldhavebeen
intheformofproperspecificationsunderthemaincharge.
CHARGESAGAINSTWILLIAMQ.JUDGE,V.P.,T.S.
1.Untruthfulness, in now claiming uninterrupted teaching from and communication with the Masters
from1875tothe present time,in flagrant contradiction withhis own letters written during this period,
lettersinwhichhestatesthathehasnosuchcommunications,andaskscertainpersonstotryandobtain
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communicationsforhim.
2.Untruthfulness,indenyingthathehassentanylettersormessagespurportingtobefromtheMasters,
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3.DeceptionpractisedtowardsH.S.OlcottwithregardtotheRosicrucianjewelofH.P.B.
4.LackofstraightforwardnessreallegedLodgemessageonH.S.OlcottstenureofthePresidency.
5.TheuseofasealtosubstantiatecertainmessagessupposedtobefromaMaster,whichsealwasnot
His.
6.Thesendingofmessages,ordersandletters,asifsentandwrittenbyMasters,suchmessages,etc.,
beingprovedtobenongenuineby
(a)Errorinmatteroffact.
(b)Threatbasedonamistake.
(c)Triviality,
Further,probabilitybeingagainsttheirgenuinenessandin
favouroftheirbeingwrittenbyW.Q.Judge,from
(a)TheiroccurringonlyinlettersfromW.Q.Judge,orinlettersthathavebeenwithinhisreach.
(b)Theircessationwhenchallengewasmadeastotheirgenuineness.
(c)ThelimitationoftheknowledgedisplayedinthemtothatpossessedbyW.Q.Judge.
(d)Thepersonaladvantagetohimself,directlyinsomecases,andindirectlygenerallyasbeingtheonly
personthroughwhomsuchwrittenmessagesarereceived.
Further,thepossibilityofsuchimitationofknownscriptsbyhimisshownbyimitationsdonebyhimto
provetheeaseofsuchimitation.
(Signed)AnnieBesant.
March24,1894,S.S.Peninsular,IndianOcean.

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No. 1 is almost too absurd to be noticed. It is intended to show that I lied in respect to being in
communication with Adepts, Mahatmas, or Masters, and of course to prove a general untruthfulness.
TheirargumentisthatbecauseIwroteCol.Olcottin1894thatIhadbeenhelpedbyMastersandbeen
in communication with them ever since 1875, and had written H.P.B. and Damodar later than 1875
askingfornewsfromMasters,expressingdespair,sayingtheoldchannelseemedcutoff,andthatIof
all the Theosophists was getting least, therefore I was a liar and was not in communication with the
Masters.Thisischildish.Thelettersexpressedthefeelingsofthedaytheywerewritten.Theyweretrue.
One has his periods of despair. I had when first left here alone. A man cannot always be up to the
highestnotch.TosaythatIgottheleastofallwhenIdidnotknowwhatothersweregettingwasonly
anirritableexhibitionof jealousy on my part. Even the greatest of seers have times when all is black,
whentheymightwritethateverythingwascutoffbutnextdayorweekthecloudswouldbeallgone.
Though I am not a great seer, I am subject like my fellows to changes of feeling. I had periods of
darknessveryofteninthoseolddays.Buttheywentawayandtheoldguidanceandhelpwereresumed.
Thelettersthemselvesassertthefactsofguidanceandhelp.SotootherecentlettertoOlcottistrue.It
doesnotmeanthateveryinstantIheardfromMaster.Lettersbetweenfriendsarenotstrictlyconstrued
as that. It was a last attempt to bring him round and out of what I thought was his jealousy of me.
Singular pertinacity they have displayed in hunting out these letterseven if withdrawn at the last
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moment by the prosecutor who had asserted publicly a belief in exactly what I wrote to Olcott, that
Masterhadguidedandhelpedme.Butwhocanknowanythingofthisbutmyself?AllIcandoisto
point to the work in T.S. of nearly twenty years which has not been barren of result, and this I am
compelledtosayfromthepositionIhavebeenforcedinto.
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cationunderNo.1.ThisiseitherbasedonerrorastowhatIsaidorisadeliberatemisconstruction.ButI
have no copy of the connected documents. I am charged with denying that I ever sent letters or
messagespurportingtobefromMasters. I have not denied this, because I sent several such messages.
ButIdeniedhavingsentthemintheSociety.ThisdenialisIbelieveinalettertoOlcott,andIstillmake
the same denial, although since the charges, I have sent messages to members privately. Many other
points are referred to in the letter, as I was endeavoring to show him that he could not find anywhere
any evidence that I used messages from Masters as pressure in the business of the Society. All my
friendswhowereintimatewithmeknewthatIhadsentmessagesfromMastersandhadclaimedsome
assuch,butthiswasdoneprivately,aboutprivatebusinessoraboutthebusinessoftheE.S.,andnotin
orabouttheT.S.ForintheT.S.meansofficially,ortoofficials,orquasiofficially,oruponbusiness
oftheorganization.Otherwiseeveryprivate,orbusiness,orsocial letter from one member to another
wouldbeintheSocietyandthatisabsurd.
ChargeNo.3isthatIdeceivedCol.OlcottaboutaRosicrucianJewel.Thisjewelisasilveremblemset
withimitationgems.Itisanextendedcompasswithinwhichisaphoenixandarubycross.Ithasatop
formingacoronet.ItwassupposedtobeRosicrucianandbelongedtoH.P.Blavatsky.Itwasamongher
effectsinLondonin1891andwasgiventomebyMrs.Besant.Atthesametimetherewasalsofound
byMrs.Besantasmallsilverobjectwhichshethoughtwasa thing of great power this she kept. The
charge about this jewel is as contemptible as the preceding ones. The conversation which I had with
OlcottinCalifornia about this emblem was to be used against me by the simple process of inserting a
fewwordswhichwouldmakeitadeceptionorattemptatmystificationbyme.AsCol.Olcottisquite
wrong in his assertion that the conversation took place in the presence of Dr. Anderson, and as his
memory is quite defective as many know, my account will have to be taken as the right one. In July
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don,IprevailedonCol.Olcotttojoinmeinawrittenstatementregardingthismattersothatwemight
haveforfutureuseandtoremedyforgetfulness,anunalterablestatement.Itisasfollows:
ReRosicrucianJewel.WilliamQ.JudgeandCol.H.S.Olcottherebytogetheragreeinwritingthatthe
following states what said JUDGE said to said OLCOTT in October, 1891, in San Francisco, about
RosicrucianJewelofH.P.BlavatskyatDr.Andersonshouse.
W.Q.Judgesays:Col.OlcotthavingstatedthatthejewelwasatAdyar,Iwentintomyroomadjoining.
InafewmomentsIcamebacktoCol.Olcottsroomandsaidtohim,Colonel,MastersaysImaytell
you that the jewel is not in Adyar, and you will not find it there. No more was said and not a single
wordwasutteredbymetotheeffectthatMasterhadtakenthejewelaway.
Col.Olcottsays:Myrecollectionoftheincidentdiffersfromtheabove.Atthesametime,asIhaveno
notesoftheconversationmadebymeatthetime,itisbutfairtosaythatmymemoryisaslikelytohave
misledmeasMr.JudgesorDr.Andersonstohavemisledthem.Thesceneoccurred,tothebestofmy
recollection in Mr. Judges bed room, which adjoined and connected with mine the per sons present
were Dr. Anderson, Mr. Judge and myself, and we were talking together in a desultory way awaiting
the summons to dinner. I described to Dr. Anderson the wellknown Rosicrucian jewel which H.P.B.
usedtowearandwhichhadthemysteriouspropertythattherowsofcrystalsinitwouldchangecolor,
from white to brown or green, when H.P.B. was out of health. I said that on re turning to Adyar I
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should examine the jewel to see whether the crystals had resumed their proper hue or had perhaps
turned black since H.P.B.s death. Judge, who was standing next to me with folded arms, turned and
said:Olcott,theMastertellsmethatyouwillnotfindthejewelatAdyar.
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disposedtofillwithwordstoindicatethattheMasterhadtakenitaway,butmymemoryfailsmeinthis
respect and I will not venture to say that such words were spoken. The clear impression on me,
however,andthatwhichremains,isthatJudgewasgivingmeatestofhispowertogetcommunications
fromtheMastersandtosatisfymydoubtsonthispoint,assoonasIgottoAdyarIhuntedforthejewel,
andthendiscoveredthatIhadmyselftakenittoLondonin1888andreturnedittoH.P.B.herself.
London,July18,1894H.S.Olcott
Dr. Anderson makes a statement in writing denying that any such conversation took place in his
presenceorhearing,oranyaboutthejewel.[AndatthereadingofthispaperatBoston,April29,1895,
beforeabout200people,Dr.Andersonroseand publicly denied Col. Olcotts statement as to his (Dr.
As)presence.]
Wethereforehavetwowitnesses,Dr.Andersonandmyself,contradictingCol.Olcottonanimportant
point:hencehisaccountisalldoubtful.
Alittlemoreoftheinsidehistoryoftheincidentisthis.Theconversationtookplacejustbeforewewent
tosleep.BothwereundressingandOlcott,whowastoleaveforJapannextday,spokeofmanymatters.
HefinallymentionedtheRosicrucianjewelandstateditwasatAdyar.Itwasamongmyeffectsatthat
dateandIwonderedwhethertotellOlcottandwhether,ifIdid,hewoulddemandit.SoIwentintomy
roomandaskedWhatshallIdo?ThereplyIgotwasYoucantellhimitisnotthereandhewillnot
finditthere.IfIhadsimplytoldhimthat,andnotaddedthefactthat
theMastertoldmeImightsotellhim,thisabsurdchargewouldnothavearisen.
With lapse of time Col. Olcott added many particulars, as is common with those who are not very
careful.Thefoldedarms,thewaitingfordinner,theexplanationtoAnderson,areallimaginary.
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withwhom,throughH.P.B.,Ihadcomeincontactonlyafewmonthsafterhehad,Inaturallytoldhim
thatMasterhadjustspokentome,addingwhathesaid.ButOlcottsmindwassuspicious,andhedid
notbelieveIcouldhearfromMaster,soheputmywordsdowntoboastingormediumship.Duringthe
samevisittoCaliforniaheonedayreferredtoMrs.Besantsstatementthatshehadreceivedmessages
from Masters, which declaration had made a stir in England, and he accused me of cooking the
messages,saying:Judge,thatwasatenstrikeofyours,butIadviseyounottodoitagain.
To this I replied, that any messages given by me to Mrs. Besant were genuine ones, at which he
laughed. Then he said that when he heard of her direct assertion in public, that she had received such
messages,hethoughtIhaddoneit.Now,withsuchideasaboutme,itisnaturalthatheshoulddistrust
whatever I might say on occult subjects this has ever been the case with him wherever I have been
concerned.
No.4.AchargeoflackofstraightforwardnessinregardtoaLodgemessageonCol.Olcottstenureof
thepresidencyatthetimeofhisresignation.Thisisnotcorrectly stated in the charge, for the message
from the Master therein referred to is about 0lcotts resignation, and not about his tenure of the
presidency.
WhythischargewasmadeupIdonotknow.BothOlcottandBesantadmitthatIgotamessagefrom
the Master about the matter. Yet this item made a great and disagreeable impression on some of the
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London Lucifer household of July last. There is some sort of purely technical English conventionality
involved in it which I do not understand. They seemed to think that because I had a message from
Master by which I guided my own conduct and which I communicated to Olcott, the other person
concerned,thereforeIdidwronginnotalsogivingittothem,andinallowingthemtofollowtheirown
natureabouthisremaininginoffice.ButIwasneitherobligednororderedtotellthem.Asthischarge
involves a long letter to Olcott and a page of typewriting, I leave open to correction the explanation I
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A great deal has been said about this resignation question. Indian and Californian calumniators have
accusedmeofsendingabogusmessagetoOlcottdemandinghisresignation,butIhavebeensilent.But
asitisnowmadeasbasisofachargeagainstme,andasagreementsmaderespectingsilencehavebeen
broken,IshallgivefactstowhichhithertoIhavenotreferred.Itwastothiseventandthedoingsround
abouttheresignationMissF.H.MullerreferredinaninflammatoryspeechagainstmelastDecemberat
a meeting at Adyar, India, in the presence of Mrs. Besant and Col. Olcott who sat and listened to the
untruthutteredbythespeaker.ShesaidIhadbeforethatmadeaseriouschargeagainstCol.Olcottsoas
to get him out of the Presidency. Those sitting by, knowing this to be false, said nothing. Is this true
Theosophytositsilentinsuchacase?Itisabouttimethenthatsomethingshouldbesaid.
Whenno resignation was thought of and Olcott had just returned to India from the United States and
Australia, Mrs. Besant hurriedly took steamer for New York, previously cabling me an ominous
message.Shearrivedhereandinformedmethatshehadcomeoverinsuchhasteinordertolaybefore
measVicePresidentandastheonlypersonshehadconfidencein,averygraveaccusationagainstCol.
Olcottwhich,iftrue,notonlyrequiredhisresignationbutmadehimouttobeanexceedinglybadman,
unfittobePresidentoftheSocietyforasinglehour.Shesaidshewascertainofthetruthofthecharge.
And she demanded that I should write him asking his resignation. I took pains to have her repeat the
detailsandchargetosomeofmygoodfriendsinNewYork,sothatIshouldnotbealoneinthecase.
Wecrossquestionedherastothefactsandastosourceofherinformation.Shewentoveritallindetail
andwithparticularity,andinsistedonallandmadeoutaveryapparentlyclearcase.Weweredisposed
togive her credit since the matter did not apparently involve herself or her feelings. She had arranged
thataLondonmember,amanofmeans,wouldgotoIndiaasaspecialmessengersoastoavoidallrisks
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decidedthatIhadbetterlaythematterbeforeOlcottbecauseIwasVicePresidentandanoldfriendof
Olcott,andaskhimwhether,ifthechargeweretrue,hehadnotbetterresign.ButIdidthisagainstmy
inclination and judgment, under great pressure and being also somewhat convinced by Mrs. Besants
arguments.Thespecialmessengerdeliveredtheletterand,althoughthechargewasdenied,Col.Olcott
putinhisresignationofthePresidency.
Later,however,IfoundformyselfthatMrs.Besanthadactedhurriedly,impulsivelyandinjudiciously,
and that no such letter should have gone from me to Col. Olcott. The resignation was still pending
neverthelessandtheAmericanApril Convention was near at hand. Then, at that date, I was informed
bytheMasterthatitwasnotwise,nortime,norjustthatOlcottshouldgoout,andthatImustchange
the policy I had outlined in view of the resignation going into effect, and endeavor to get Olcott to
revoke.IhadhadtooutlinedistinctlyformyguidanceapolicytocoverthewholefieldofTheosophical
administration because in a very short time, if nothing interfered, I would have become President. No
matter what my private feelings and desires were, I was compelled to adopt a policy regarding all
mattersconnectedwiththeIndianheadquarters,withtheexpensesthere,withchangeswhichjudgment
showed me were essential, and with many other matters. So, the direction to change policy which
includedmyfavoringoropposingCol.Olcottsretirement,wasverysignificant.
ThisdirectionIimmediatelybegantofollow,writingtoOlcottintypewrittenformaportionofwhatI
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hadbeentold.Thebasisofthischargeisthattypewrittenpaper.AndIwasverymuchrelievedmyself
bytheordertogotheotherway,becauseasallmynearandintimatefriendsknow,therewassomuch
tobedoneinAmericaIdidnotwanttotakethePresidency.Ifindalso,thatatthatdate, Mrs. Besant
receivedaletterfromme,acrossonecornerofwhichwerethesewords,signedbytheMaster,Ordered
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way, it is curious to note that this particular message which is in the form of writing to which the
prosecutor objects and has charged me with forging, has not been incorporated into the charges. The
typewritten message to Olcott was enclosed separately in the letter. I sent it thus because I was so
directed. Intellectually speculating (as is natural) on the reasons for such direction, I came to the
conclusionthatitwasbecauseofthepresenceofthespiesandtraitorsaroundCol.Olcott,whichfactI
had long before discovered psychically. I may refer you to the Path where I printed articles on a Plot
againsttheT.S.solelyonthisinformation.SubsequentconfessionsandthesuicideofthedefaultingT.S.
Treasurer proved that my information was correct. These spies were friends of our enemies and they
openedasmanyofhislettersastheycould.Andatthesametime,ornearit,thatIsentthemessageto
Olcott telling him to revoke, he also received, he says, in India a message himself to the same effect.
This,hesaid,wasavoicejustashewaswakingfromadream.MymessagewasreceivedwhileIwas
in possession of all my waking senses. That is just the difference between the two: in substance they
werealike.
At the April Convention, I succeeded in having resolutions passed asking him to revoke but I used
argumentsonly,andnopressure.Isaidnothingtoanyoneofhavinganydirectionormessagealthough
thereweremanywhowouldhavebeengladtohearitandacceptatonce.IfIamorwasambitiousfor
officeaswasandischargedagainstme,herewastheverybestopportunitytohavetakenthepositionof
President, as the present prosecutors were then favorable to me and against Col. Olcott, and with
AmericaandEuropeIcouldhaveoutvotedIndia.This,however,wasnotdesiredbyme,andIthought
moreofpushingtheAmericanworkthanoftakingalltheofficesintheSociety.Theactualfactandact
conclusivelyprovethatIdidnotwanttheoffice.AstheIndianSectionwasalsoinfavorofrevocation,I
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Later, in July, I went to the London Convention. But nearly all the influential ones at Headquarters
dislikedOlcottintenselythen.Theysaidtheyweregladhewasgoingout,andtheyratherresentedthe
Americanstryingtomakethemvotethe other way. I found myself hemmed in, with all of them from
Mrs.Besantdown,unwillingtolistentomyargumentsandappealstobrotherhoodandtoOlcottslong
record.Notonewasinfavorofhim.Iwasthendirectednottosayanythingtothemaboutthemessage,
but to let them act upon their own judgment as I had done all that was necessary to have them do the
way that America had done. A notice then came from Olcott which I regarded as a loophole for his
dignified revocation, but they said no, and when the Convention met, it of course voted on this in
accordancewithHeadquartersinfluenceagainstOlcott.
Afterwards,thestaffatLondonlearnedthatIhadthemessage,andtheycriticised mefor notgiving it
also to them. Even Olcott wanted to know why I had not used it to make the Section vote right. He
forgotthatintheoutermattersoftheT.S.noonehadanyrighttousesuchoccultmessagesaspressure
IdidnotuseitinAmerica,norshouldIinEurope,andanywayIwasforbidden touse itprivately. A
greatdealofdoubtandsuspicionhavearisenamongthoseatHeadquartersinLondonaboutthismatter,
butIhavegivenyouallofit.Icanseenothinginthisattackbuttheworkingofwoundedprideonthe
part of the few who have taken it up at London. But the charge on it is lack of straightforwardness.
NowasIatoncetoldOlcott,thepersonconcerned,Iwasguiltyofnolackofstraightforwardness.To
twist it round so as to punish me for not telling all my private affairs to the London staff is childish
nonsense.Orelsetheitemwasintroducedtobuildupamassofthingssmallandgreat against me, so
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that my case might be made so bad that few, if any, of my statements on the chief matters to follow
wouldbebelieved.
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thatIhavemanufacturedanddeliveredbogusmessagesfromtheMasters.Thefifthinorder,aversthatI
haveemployedacertainseal,allegedtobenotMastersseal,togiveafictitioussubstantiationtosome
ofthesesupposedlybogusmessages.Inthefirstplace,itisimpossibletoprovethatIhaveusedasealto
substantiatemessages,eventhoughonthemessagesthereappearsanimpressionofaseal,fornoman
eversawmeusesuchaseal.Col.Olcott,Mrs.BesantandBertramKeightleyhaveunitedtoprovethat
Col.Olcotthadhadmade,inIndia,abrassseal,whichwasanattemptedimitationofthesignaturesaid
tobethatoftheMaster,andthathegavethatbrassobjecttoMadameBlavatsky.Theirtestimonyisthat
thelastpersonwhosaworknewanythingaboutthatbrassobjectisBertramKeightley.Itisnottraced
tomypossessionthereisnotascintillaofevidencetoshowthatiteverwasinmypossessionandIdo
notthinkanyAmericancourtwouldrequiremetoproveanegative,thatitisnotandhasnotbeeninmy
possession.ButIassertasIhavefromthebeginningthatIhavenotthisobject,thatIneverhavehadit,
andthatIknownothingwhateveraboutit,asanobject,exceptwhatIlearnfromthetestimonyofthose
threepersons.
It is around this seal and the impressions resembling and supposedly taken from it that most of the
confusionhasarisen.
Theseal itself has been confounded with the impression taken from it and that with its semblance by
precipitation. It is wellknown to a great many Theosophists,such for in stance as Countess
Wachtmeister, B. Keightley, A. Keightley, Mrs. CooperOakley, George Mead, C.F. Wright and
numerousothers,thattheimpressiononpaper,nowsaidtobethatofthissealmanufacturedforOlcott,
hasappearedandbeenseenonmessagesfromtheMasterscomingthroughH.P.B.,onenvelopesfrom
her and other papers connected with her. The impression grew to be called The Masters Seal in
London.ItwassocalledbymostofthepersonsIhavenamed,anditisquiteevidentthat,justasinthe
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TheosophicalSociety,sothissealimpressionwasadoptedtobeusedafterthesignatureofoneofthem
whenever he saw fit. Only those who are wholly ignorant of occultism, or those who have merely a
theoreticalknowledgeofitwouldsaytheMastersrealsealandtheimitationoftheMastersseal,
becausenopersonhaseverseentheMastersseal,eitherknowinglyorunknowingly.Hehasaseal,but
ithasneverbeenshownintheTheosophicalSociety.Hisrealsealisasunknownasistheformofhis
realwriting,whichcertainlyisriotEnglish.
ThisparticularsealimpressionwasonetowhichIpaidnoattentionforalongtime,havingseenitbut
fewtimesduringthelifeofH.P.B.,andwhenIdidfirstseeit,Ilookedatitmerelyasamarkwhichshe
had chosen to impress on the paper for some purpose of her own, until I discovered that it had been
adoptedforuseunderthesanctionoftheMaster.Itwasin1888,Ithink,whenshetoldmedistinctlythat
theseimpressions,madebyoccultpower,weresoadopted.Andinthatyear,IsenttoAmericatoone
person,anF.T.S.,atH.P.B.srequest,oneofthesaidimpressionsmadebyherontheslipofpaperon
whichitappeared,asasouvenir,atthesametimestatingtohim,asauthorizedbyher,thatitwasthe
Mastersseal,meaningofcoursesealimpression.Thiswasperfectlycorrectanditisoneofthepieces
ofevidencewhichtheprosecutorswerehopingtoadducewiththeirowninterpretation.Ihavesaidin
printbeforenow,inLucifer,thatIknewnothingabouttheMastersseal,andthattheappearanceofany
quantityofsealsonlettersordocumentswasofnoconsequencetome unless I myself knew the truth
about the documents. These perfectly true statements have been misconstrued by the prosecutors into
meaning that I assert ignorance of this particular brass object and its impress, however made, whether
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Thefirstpieceofwritingbyme,uponwhichthissealimpressionappears,isIthinka letter sent to
Col.OlcottinDecember,1888,fromLondon.Theimpressionisonablankpartofthepaperand,asI
recallit,thereisnoreferencetoitintheletter.ThisletterwaswrittenwithMadameBlavatskyspen,ink
andpaper,uponherdeskandremainedtheresomelittletime.ThereisnomentionoftheMastersinthe
letter and I certainly deny, most absolutely and solemnly, having put that impression there. My
explanationisthatMadameBlavatskycausedtheimpressiontoappearbyoccultpoweronthepaper,as
Ihaveseenheroftendowithothermarksandimpressions.
AfterH.P.B.disappearedfromthescene,someoftheprecipitatedmessagesappearingonmylettersto
thepersonsIshallname,havethissealalsoprecipitateduponthem,andsomehavenot.
Therumor has been started that I wrote to London asking Mrs. Besant to erase all seals from letters,
papersormessagesofmine,andIamaskedtoexplain.Ifailtoseewhatdifferenceitmakesorwhatit
provesifIdidasktohavethatdone.ForifIamassumedtobethefraudMrs.Besantwishestomake
outafraud engaged in humbugging herthen I certainly would not expose myself by asking her to
eraseproofsoffraud.Sucharequestinthiscasewouldratherappeartobeevidenceofinnocence,forit
nowappearsclearlythatitisimpossibletotracethesealofbrasstomypossession,whileontheother
hand,theydotraceit,firsttoCol.OlcottandthentoBertramKeightleywiththeprobabilityofitsbeing
inMrs.Besantshouse. AndasB. Keightley andMrs.Besant are hand and glove in this prosecution,
thecircumstancesaremoreagainstthemthanagainstme.
ButIdenythatIaskedtohaveallthesesealmarkserased.IfIwrotetoMrs.Besantaskinghertoerase
anyonecertainsealmark,thenIshallbeabletoexplainwhythatsinglerequestwasmade,butcannot
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itsaysall,thenIsaythatforgerybyalterationhasbeencommitteduponmylettersforthepurposeof
aidingtheprosecutors.
Before going any further, it is absolutely necessary to make a statement about myself which hitherto I
haverefrainedfrommaking.Andnowitwouldnotbemadewereitnotthattheprosecutorshaveforced
me into the position where I must either state this or be silent and I am also directed to make it. The
prosecutorsandtheirfriendstrytomakepeoplethinkthatitisimpossiblethatW.Q.Judgecouldhave
any occult powers and that this case can be decided outside of occult lines. This is improper and
impossible.Thewholematterhastobeexamined from the standpoint ofoccultismor magic.Well, I
have to state, that during all the years since 1875 I have been taught much about occultism by the
Masters and their friends, and have been shown how to produce some phenomena, among others the
precipitation of writing for the Masters at certain times. This is always in the form to which the
prosecutorsmostfoolishlyobject.Theseteachingsbegannotwithstandingignoranceofitinthepart
of Col. Olcott, who takes pains to say he knows nothing of it, and that I am probably a mediumin
1875 with H.P.B. In that year, the first precipitation done through me, was effected in New York.
MadameBlavatskytoldmenottoinformCol.OlcottofwhatIwaslearning,becauseofcertainspecial
reasonssheexplainedtomebutwhichIneednotexplainhere.Fromthattimeheknewnothingofwhat
Iwaslearningordoingwithher.And,fromthattimeon,withexceptionswhenIwasphysicallyinunfit
condition, or when I allowed doubt, jealousy or other defects of character to interfere, I have been in
communication with the Master and friends of his, receiving help and direction from him and them in
myTheosophicworkandsendingforhim,veryfrequently,Imaysayhundredsoftimesmessagesto
friends and correspondents, without identifying them all as such. But it must not be supposed that
becauseIcoulddothis,andreceivehelp,Icouldnevermakeamistake.Those
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whoknowsufficientaboutoccultismandspiritismareawarethatmistakesariseinconsequence of the
working of the physical brain which is being used. Often some of ones own peculiarities, even what
mightbecalledtrivialidiosyncrasies,cananddocreepintothemessagewhichisreported,butitisvery
certainthatthesubstance,themainidea,and,inthecaseoftheTheosophicalMovementitself,theexact
idea,isneverconfused.
Nowtakingupthenextcharge,thatIhavesentsuchmessagespretendingthemtobefromtheMaster
althoughinreality,asalleged,emanatingfrommyself,itappearsthateightaffirmations,orgrounds,or
bases,arecitedbytheprosecutorinsupportofthecharge.Thefirsttwoareentirelyfalseinfact.They
allege, first, error in matter of fact and second, a threat based on a mistake. I have, as a matter of fact
made no error in any of these messages and no threat whatever is made, either based on a mistake or
otherwise. The first alleged error is that in a message said to have been sent by me, the brass seal
previously referred to is called the Lahore brass. About this I know absolutely nothing. The alleged
messagewasfoundbyCol.OlcottinaletterfromAbbottClark,ofCalifornia,atatimewhenIwasin
California,itistrue,butAbbottClarkswearsthatIcouldnothavedoneanythingwithhisletter,andthat
hecarrieditaroundinhispocketforsometimeafteritwaswritten,whilehewaitedtoprocurestamps
formailingit,anddidnotpostituntilafterIhadstartedfortheEast.Itisinevidence,asadmittedbythe
prosecutor,thattheletterinwhichthismessagewasfoundwasopenedinAdyarandforwardedfrom
there to Col. Olcott. There were at that time, in Adyar, certain spies and enemies, who gave out
informationtothosewhowishedtohurttheTheosophicalSocietyandthosepersonsopenedlettersnot
addressedtothemselves. I cannot repudiate as a fact Mr. Abbott Clarks letter in which this appeared,
butIcananddoemphaticallyrepudiate,intow,themessageallegedtohavebeenmadebyme.Inthe
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thatIwasmisledbyCol.OlcottsspeakingofthePunjabandthatIthereforecametotheconclusionthat
thesealhadbetterbecalled,inthisallegedbogusmessage,theLahorebrass.Thefactofthematteris
thatIknownothingaboutLahore,orthePunjab,andallmyknowledgeofthisbrassseal,consideredas
anobject,isderivedfromCol.Olcottstestimony,togetherwiththatofBertramKeightley.AbbottClark
says:
SanFrancisco,Calif.
April21,1894.
I,ABBOTTCLARK,amemberoftheTHEOSOPHICSOCIETY,doherebystateandaffirmasfollows:
Ihaveseenitstatedinthenewspapersthatitischargedthat
IwroteCol.H.S.Olcottin1891toIndiaandthatinthatletterwassomemessagenotknowntomeand
thatCol.OlcottrepliedaskingwhereWilliamQ.JudgewasatthetimeandthatIrepliedhewasinmy
house.
Thefacts are: That in 1891, Mr. W. Q. Judge was lecturing in this State and I was with him at Santa
AnaandthatIhadnohouse,andneverhad,beingtoopoortohaveone.Bro.Judgestoppedatthehotel
in Santa Ana, where he came from my home, my fathers house, at Orange, where he had been at
dinner, and at Santa Ana I arranged his lecture, and I stayed at my Aunts in Santa Ana while in the
hotelaconversationarosewithusinwhichIspokeofTheosophicalpropagandaamongtheChineseon
thiscoast,andBro.JudgesuggestedthatIwritetoCol.OlcottasheknewmanyBuddhistTheosophists
and might arrange it better than Bro. Judge, and I then myself wrote to Col. Olcott on the matter
showing the letter after it was done to Bro. Judge to see if it should be improved or altered and he
handedmebacktheletteratonce.Iputitinmypocketandkeptitthereforseveraldayswaitingfora
chance to buy stamps for postage as I was away from any post office. Bro. Judge left by himself the
morning after I wrote the letter and went to San Diego and the only time I saw him again was in the
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fourdaysandtheletterwasnotmentioned,thoughtof,norreferredto.
Iassert on my word of honor that Bro. Judge said nothing to me about any message pretended to be
fromMastersorotherwise,andsofarasanyreportsorstatementshavebeenmaderelatingtomeherein
differentfromtheabove,theyareabsolutelyfalse.
FromIndia I got a reply from Adyar T.S. Office from one Charlu saying he had opened my letter in
Col. Olcotts absence, and had forwarded it to him and Dharmapala told me he had seen letters to
Olcottonthematter,receivedinIndiaawayfromAdyar.ThesaidCharluinreplyalsoaskedmewhere
Bro. Judge was when the letter was written, and I wrote that he had been at my house on that date,
whichistrueasabovestated,OrangebeingbutthreemilesfromSantaAna,asIthoughtCharluwished
tohaveBro.Judges dates,butthoughtalso thequestionswere peculiar from such a distance. I never
gotanyreplytomysincerefirstquestioninthatletteraboutpropagandafromhim,andneveranyreply
ofanysortfromCol.Olcott.WhenDharmapalawasherehedidnotbringanymessageinreply from
Olcott,butreferredtorecollectingspeakingwithOlcottaboutaproposalfromCaliforniatoworkwith
theChinese.AndCharludidnotspeakofanyenclosureinsaidletter.AyearlaterIagainwroteonthe
same matter to Col. Olcott which was answered by Gopala Charlu, now dead, saying but little if
anythingcouldbedonebyhim.ToallthisIaffirmonmyhonor.
(Signed)AbbottClark
WitnessSignature,
(Signed)AllenL.Griffiths.
E.B.Rambo.
Thenextallegederrorfactisthis.IwrotealettertoMr.CooperOakleyin1887atwhichtimehewas
editing the Theosophistin which I hinted that two ostensibly different writers in the magazine
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thismatter,aredlinerunstoamarginalmessage,thewordswritteninbluewhichshouldnotbeused
toforcemy,oryour,theoryonitsreaders.ByorderofHilarionafterwhicharesomehieroglyphics.
TheprosecutorsclaimthatthiswritingislikethatoftheMasterK.H.Thefactofthematteristhatitis
not, nor was it intended to be. It is a precipitation, made by a friend of mineto wit, the said
Hilarionand was in tended, as any person can see, who does not intend to twist and distort
everything, to cast a doubt on my statement that they are by one and the same person. This I have
learneddirectlybyaskingthesaidHilarionwhatisthefact.NeitherCol.Olcott,norMrs.Besant,nor
any of the prosecutors, know Hilarion they have heard of him vaguely and even spell his name
wrongly. They even have two ideas as to what is his hand writing. But this particular inscription is a
precipitationofhishandwritingbyhimself.Hecertainlyknowswhathemeant.
ThenextallegederroroffactisthatinaletterofminetoTookaramTatya,in1891,thereisashortred
messageaskinghimtohelpmycolleague,workwithhimsignedbytheMaster.Thisisallegedtobe
bogus. They say that it was in tended to make Tatya help me with Prof. Dvivedi in the Oriental
Departmentwhen,asamatteroffact,thesaidProfessorhadalreadywrittenhisletterofacceptance to
me.Thisissimply,tomymind,nonsense.Inthefirstplace,themessageisgenuine.Itisaprecipitation
and,ofcourseitwasmadethroughme.MyletterwasabouttheOrientalDepartment,butwhatIwanted
wasthatTatyashouldhelpmeinthewholematterasitwastoextendoveralongperiodoftime.AndI
wasthennegotiatingformorethanoneprofessorB.Keightley,atAdyar,havingactually,atthetime,
hiredanadditionalone.AstheMasterhadgiventome,beforethisdate,aphotographofhispictureand
had endorsed on it a sentence calling me his colleague, it is hardly strange that he should use those
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Thenextchargeisthatamessagemakesathreat,onthebasisofamistake.TheletteristoCol.Olcott,
in 1891. The words of the message, which are in red, are I might tell him of your poison interview
with. . . (name omitted here.) The explanation thereof is this. There is not the slightest doubt in my
mindthat sentence was precipitated in that letter, through me, without my knowledge at the time. It is
unfinished,butwouldhavebeencompletedbutforthealteration of conditions at the time and various
hindrancesunnecessarytorelate.itgrewoutofthefactofMrs.Besantsexplicitstatementtomethata
certainperson(whosetruthfulnesswehadnoreasontodoubt)hadthrownouthintsaboutCol.Olcotts
beingamancapableofadministeringpoisons,andherfurtheraverment,atthesametime,thatMadame
Blavatsky had hinted the same thing to her. This is not the first time Mrs. Besant has made to me
accusationsofaseriouscharacteragainstotherpersons.Thestatementdidnotcommandmycredence,
but at the same time I was disturbed by it and it caused some grave questions to arise in my mind. It
influencedmetoendeavortoprocurefromoccultsourcesinformationonthesubject,andIdidobtainat
leastpartialinformation.Allthiscausedtheprecipitationofthatincompletemessageintheletter,which
wouldhavebeenfinishedandbeenagooddeallongerwereitnotforthedisturbanceoftheconditions
necessaryforitscompletion.ItwouldthenshowthattheMastermighttell,orexplain,tomeaboutthe
poisoninterviewwhichhadbeenaweightonmymindbutthatthedoubtsandsuspicionsthenexisting
on both sides prevented any useful messages being sent for mutual use. The person who should have
leastreasonforsurpriseattherevelationinthisexplanationisCol.Olcott,forIhavealetterfromhimin
1892inwhichhesays:
WhatdoImeanbypoison?wellyouwilllearnintimethesimplefactisthatcertainpeoplehadthe
damnable wicked ness and impudence to hint that I might use it on third parties. Damn them. The
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Thenextaverredreasonistriviality.TheprosecutorschoosetosaythattheyknowwhataMahatma
would write under all circumstances. One triviality is the name Henry another to tell a date
another Do you think S. would snip off a bit from a message? Answer Yes. The prosecutor
declaredthatMr.Sinnettdeclinedtosnipoffabit,butthefactisthat,afterwardsoratthattime,Mr.
Sinnettdidsnipoffabitwhichhecausedtobesubmittedtome,throughBertramKeightley,tolearn
what I would say about it. Dr. and Mrs. Keightley are witnesses to this fact. The prosecutors seem to
thinkthatifamessageisnotimmediatelyandapparentlyapplicableitisbogus.Anotherallegedtriviality
istheappearanceonaletterfrommetoaservantofMadameBlavatskyinIndia,afterherdeath,ofthe
wordYes,inred,onthemargin,connectedwithastatementintheletterthatIwashisfriend.What
nonsensethisallis.
Thenextreasongiventoshow,intheopinionoftheprosecutor,thatallthemessagesarebogus,isthat
theyonlyoccurinlettersfromme,oronpaperthatIhavetouched,oratleasthadnearme.Inacourtof
law, perhaps this would be a good reason, perhaps also those whose mechanical minds do not permit
themto know occultism may so esteem it. But, as a matter of fact, if the messages occur only in that
way, it means that I am the only person through whom, at present, they can occur, and if they do not
occur in conjunction with the prosecutors, it is because they are not persons through whom such
manifestationscanhappen.Inotherwords:withwhatpersonshouldtheyoccurifnotwithme?
Itisfurtheraverredasanotherallegedreasonforthechargesagainstme,thatthereceiptofthemessages
bythosepersonsceasedwhenachallengewasofferedastotheirgenuineness.Itisperfectlycertainthat,
as soon as the prosecutors showed their hands, challenged messages, expressed doubts and alleged
suspicions against me, no more messages would be delivered to them, except under special
circumstances.Theystoppedofcourse,inregardtothesepersonalities,butthey
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didnotstopinotherplacesandcaseswhererepellantsuspicionsdidnotexistandwheretheyhavestill
beenreceivedwheneveroccasiondemandedandconditionspermittedit.Theonlyexceptiontothishas
beenthat,byorder,onemessagewassenttoMrs.BesantaftertheattemptedsettlementinJuly,1894.It
wasashortmessage,coupledwithastatementthatitwassenttoherwithoutexplanationandforherto
findoutwhetheritwaswritten,manufactured,precipitated,orwhatnot.Tothisdayshedoesnotknow
whether it was written by hand in waking consciousness, or a state of trance, or a halfcataleptic
condition, or automatically while conscious, or precipitated from the Akasabut she has written to
certainpersonsinAmericathatshehasdecideditisbogus.
Thenext reason given is that the messages only display such knowledge as I possess. I do not know
how well informed the prosecutors are as to the limitations of my knowledge. They cannot know its
extentandthestatementtheymakeisuntrue.TheyfirsttakeupthematteroftheRosicrucianjewelto
whichIhavealreadyreferredandattempttoshowthatthelimitationofknowledgeinthemessagewas
my knowing that I had the jewel. But the fact is that what I was told by the Master was advice that I
mighttellOlcotthecouldnotfindthejewel.ItwasnotofferedtoOlcottasastatementofinformation
givenmebytheMaster.
ThenextreasonadvancedisthatIgainanadvantagefromthesemessages,inasmuchastheytend,says
theprosecutor,tomakepeoplethinkthatIamtheonlypersonthroughwhomtheycancome.This,to
mymindandcertainlytothosehundredsofpersonswhoknowmeandmyworkinAmerica,seemsto
be a childish as well as ignorant statement. The messages are few in number. They are sent privately.
They do not direct anything to be done for my benefit. They were never published by me. I never
referredtothemin public.I never gave out that I could get messages until these people, by their false
accusations, forced me to make the avowal. In every way these messages have been a source of
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is a sincere satisfaction to myself that they have to be stopped in respect to those persons who have
shown themselves incapable of understanding either them or me. Others, in America, can and do get
messagesfromtheMasters.
The last item brought forward by the prosecutor should, if a good piece of evidence, have been
producedinthebeginningofthecharges.ItisaletterwrittenbymewhenIwasinIndiain1884,tothe
Parsee Judge Khandalavala, at the time of the Coulomb charges against Madame Blavatsky. He had
written to me asking me to look at the originals of the published letters, if possible, and give him my
opinion.Ididseesomeofthoselettersandwrotetohimonthesubject,whichwaswhetheranyofthose
letterscouldhavebeentamperedwith.InthemiddleoftheletterIgavehimfoursamplesofimitations
ofhandwritingwhichIsayarewritten by a friend, the words being witness these, by a friend, after
whichfollowbadimitationsofCol.Olcotts,MadameBlavatskysandothersignatures.Ialsorefertoa
cleverforgery,byMme.Coulomb,ofDr.Hartmannshandwriting.Thisletterprovesnothingwhatever
except that I wanted to show this man that forgery could be committed. The prosecutor has hoped to
makeitappearbythisletter,thattheexecutionofaforgerywasnothingtome.Butifitbeputforward
tosustainthatview,itisweak,becausetheimitationsinitarepoor,whereastheprosecutorssaythatmy
alleged imitations in messages are perfect. It could be used against me by suppressing the words,
witnessthese,byafriend.
A number of other charges have been brought forward that I imposed on Mrs. Besant, Bertram
Keightley,andmeetingsofTheosophists,andallegationshavealsobeenmadeofattemptstoimposeon
ColonelOlcott.OftheseIwilltakeupthosethatarenotactuallypuerile.Thereisanoteinpencilofmy
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DearOlcott, Master says he has sent you a message in a queer envelope and you are to look for it.
Thisisquitetrue.IdidwritethattoOlcottbecausethatwassaidtome.Thesamenewspaperpublishes
whatpurportstobeafacsimileofanallegedbogusprecipitation,reading:Iwithholdthemessageuntil
later,connectingthiswithmypencilnote.Ihavenotseenthedrawingfromwhichthenewspaperplate
ofthiswasmade.Therewasagenuinemessagetothateffectin1891toOlcottandforthisreason:
OnoneofOlcottsletterstome,receivedjustbeforehisarrivalinLondonfromAustralia,Ifoundonits
cornerashortlinefromtheMastersayingtome,Ihavesenthimamessage,meaningOlcott.ThisI
showedtoOlcottinacabinwhichheandIrodeuptotheHeadquartersonhisarrival.Hereadit,and
saying,Ihavenotreceivedityet,handeditbacktome.LaterheaskedmeagainaboutitandIthinkI
saidIdidnotknowyetatthattimetheabovequotedmessagecame.
AnotherchargeisthatatelegramtoBertramKeightleyinNewYorkatmyoffice,had on it the word
rightinredintheacceptedscript,togetherwithanimpressionofthesealandtheMasterssignature.
Theprosecutorsstatethatthismessagewasopenedbymefirstandthenmarkedbyme,afterwhichthey
say Keightley read it. It is quite possible that if this message was sent to my name over the cable I
opened it first. But, I emphatically deny placing those marks upon it. Its subsequent history, is that
MadameBlavatsky recovered itinLondon by producing it suddenly before B. Keightleyand several
others,afterhisreturntoLondon.Mr.ClaudeFallsWright,whowaspresent,saysbrieflythat,
In my presence and that of B. Keightley, Countess Wachtmeister, and Kenneth Austin, H.P.B. at
London,immediatelyafterthearrivalofBertKeightley,tookapieceofcigarettepaperandlookingBert
in the face, while blowing him up for his loss of the telegram, suddenly said with a half smile, Bert,
wouldyoulikeatelegramwouldntyoulikeatelegram,Bert?Sherubbedthepieceofpaperbetween
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andthenunfoldeditintothelosttelegram!Onitwereseveraloftheverysealmarksaboutwhichthere
hasbeensomuchdispute.ButKeightleyclaimedthetelegram,butsheinsisteduponitsbeinghanded
aroundtotherestofus,desiringustoexamineitcloselysaying,Look,thosearetheMastersmarks,
look,youmayhavesomedaytoknowthemagain.Thenshewentontosaythatwemightmentionthe
mattertoanybodywechose,exceptJudge,for,shesaid,hedoesnotwanttobeassociatedinanyway
withphenomena.
(Signed)ClaudeFallsWright.
ClearlyifIamafraudaboutthissealandsealmark,thensowasH.P.B.
Anotherfalsechargeisaboutapaperwhichturnedupataprivatemeeting.Onthiswerethewords,in
theacceptedscript,Judgesplanisright.ThispaperwasdiscoveredbyMrs.Besantamongtheother
papersdirectlyafterreadingtheplanproposedbyJudge.
Thismessagewasprecipitatedthenandtherethroughme.Ihaveitnow.TheWestminsterGazettetries
toshowthatitwasaprestidigitationbyme,butletmereadyouthestatementsignedbyevenmypresent
official accuser and other friends. This has already been given out to the public, so that I am not
violatinganyconfidences.
The plan for the reorganization of the E.S.T. rendered necessary by the passing away of H. P.
Blavatsky,waslaidbeforetheEnglishdivisionoftheGeneralCouncilbyAnnieBesant,whohadinher
possession a bundle of letters from which she read extracts. These constituted William Q. Judge, H.P.
BlavatskysrepresentativewithfullpowersinAmerica,andappointedAnnieBesantasChiefSecretary
of the Inner Group (the highest grade in the E.S.T.), and Recorder of the Teachings. These were the
documentsuponwhichthereorganizationoftheSchoolwasbased,andtherecognitionofWilliamQ.
Judge and Annie Besant as its Outer Heads was made. The arrangement was rendered inevitable by
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tersofH.P.Blavatsky,itsHead,andnothingbeyondherexpresseddirectionswasnecessarytoensure
its acceptance by the Council. Towards the close of the proceedings a message was received from
Master,Judgesplanisright.Thiswaswrittenonasmallpieceofpaperfoundamongthepapersinthe
sight of all by Annie Besant. This message bore the impression of a seal, and the impression was
recognisedbyCountessWachtmeisterandothersasthatoftheMaster,beingidenticalwithimpressions
onlettersreceivedduringthelifetimewithusofH.P.Blavatsky.
Themessagewasreceivedasamostsatisfactorysignofapprovalofthearrangementproposed,butthat
arrangement was in no sense arrived at in consequence of it, being, as above stated, based on H.P.
Blavatskysownlettersandacceptedasbyherdirections.
(Signed)
ConstanceWachtmeister,W.WynnWestcott,
G.R.S.Mead,LauraM.Cooper,
AnnieBesant,AliceCleather.
ImyselfselectedfromamongmanylettersofH.P.B.sthosereferredtoabove,andtiedthemtogether.
TherewasnopaperwithMasterswritingbearingabovewordsamongthembeforethemeeting.
London,July14,1893.AnnieBessant
ClaudeFallsWrightmakesthefollowingstatement:
AtthemeetingoftheCouncillorsoftheE.S.T.heldintheBlavatskyLodgeHallat19AvenueRoad,
London, Eng land, on the afternoon of Wednesday the 27th May, 1891, a message from the Master
amongdocumentsreadbyAnnieBesantwasfoundbyherinfullsightofallpresent.AnnieBesantwas
sittingatasmalltableseveralfeetdistantfromthegroupofCouncillors,whosatoppositeherwhileshe
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documents. William Q. Judge was not seated by her at the time, but among the group and on the left
sideofthehail.Annie,afterreadingtheplanproposedbyJudge,wentontoreadapaperonwhichwere
thewords,Judgesplanisright.Mr.Judgeaskedhertoreadthatagainashedidnotunderstanditto
havebeenamongtheotherpapers.Shedidso,andthenforthefirsttimeseemedtocomprehendthatit
wasamessagethathadjustbeensent.OnthepaperwerethesignatureoftheMasterandthesealmarkI
had seen on papers received and precipitated by H.P.B. Annie then stated that she had had the
documentspreviouslyforsometimeinherpossessionandthatthispaperwascertainlynotamongthem
whenshebroughtthemintotheroom,andtheyhadnotleftherhands.TheCountessWachtmeisterthen
askedtoseethepaper,andhavingexamineditsaid,Yes,thatisMasterssealmark!Theslipwasthen
handedroundtoall.
(Signed)ClaudeFallsWright.
NewYork,April24,1895.
DearMr. Judge: At the meeting of the E.S. held at the Astor House, subsequent to H.P.B.s death,
sister Annie Besant stated, in the most positive and unqualified manner, that the message from the
Master which she found at the meeting of the Council of the E.S. in London, amongst other papers,
couldnothavebeenplacedtherebyyouoranyoneelse.Herstatementwassounequivocal,andmade
soforcibly,aspracticallytoprecludequestionordiscussion.
Yoursmostsincerely,
HenryTurnerPatterson
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IagreetotheaboveasbeingwhatMrs.Besantsaid.
ThaddeusP.Hyatt.
Mr.Pattersonsstatementiscorrect.WilliamMain.
464ClassonAve.,Brooklyn,December6th,1894.
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ferentmeetings.Theevidenceofthesepersonsisprocurable.Thestatementsmade in the Westminster
Gazetteastothismatterarefrombeginningtoendeithergarbledorfoolishorfalse.
What remains of any importance are messages delivered by me to Mrs. Besant. These I have never
denied.Ideliveredthem.Theyweregenuine.Sheisandalwayswasincapable of deciding as to their
genuineness, having to rely on me or others. She has publicly admitted that she thinks their gist or
contents were from the Masterhence genuine. She then went further than her knowledge would
warrantinsayingthattheywerenotprecipitatedbytheMaster,andadmittedthatshedidnot know in
what way they were made. Her opinion either way on this matter is, however, of no consequence, as
she has no means of her own of deciding anything about the occult side of such matters. She having,
according to her own statement, deluded the public by saying she had had messages from the Master
which I in fact delivered to her, perhaps she is deluding the public now. Also, while accusing me of
deludingherbyallowinghertothinkthattheMasterhadpersonallyprecipitatedthemessagedelivered
to her, it does not seem to strike her or her friends that her public statement in the Hall of Science, to
which she pledged her sanity, her intelligence, and her integritywas precisely in effect the same
offence with which she charges me. By thus personally pledging her self, she made the public and
Theosophiststhinkthatshehadreceivedthesemessagesdirectlyinsteadofthroughme.Ididnottellher
todoso,nordidIleadhertothinkanythingaboutthemessages,andIdonotconsideritfairforherand
herfriendstohavemadethisastrongpointagainstmeinherpublicstatements.
AllthemessagesIdeliveredtoherwereprivateandforherdirectionandeveryonewasgenuine.Ido
notmakethesestatementsforthepurposeofhittingatAnnieBesantoranyoneelse,forIhavenodesire
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theTheosophicalpublicatleastshouldbeinformedmorefullyonthesepoints.
Imade a clear and true statement at the July Convention and Mrs. Besant made another statement, it
being agreed then by her most solemnly that these should finish the matter and that it should not be
carriedanyfurther.Imademystatementverybriefly,inperfectgoodfaith,soastomakeitaseasyas
possible for her. I could have explained then just as well as now, but did not do so because I was
directedtowait.
ForthoseofuswhobelieveintheexistenceoftheMastersandtheirexaltedcharacterandethics,there
are, in this case, absurdities, dilemmas and contradictions created by Mrs. Besantand spread by her
friends over the world as against mewhich should dispose of her charges while they leave her in a
pitiablelight.
SheandhernearassociatesadmittedaslateasJulylastthatIwasafriendoftheMaster,thathehelps
me,thatInotonlyheardinthepastfromhimbuthadhearduptonearthatdateshesaidtomanythat
sheknewalltheabovetobetrue,andthatInotonlywashelpedandguidedbytheMasterbutthathe
hadshown himself to her through my physical personality. Further than all that, she publicly admitted
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Master. She also admitted that in September, 1893,which is after the dates given for the alleged
wrongfulactstheMastersentmeamessageofthanksforandapprovalofallmyworkinthefieldof
Theosophy.Thiscertainlywouldincludemessagessentonhisbehalf.AndshealsoknewthatH.P.B.
gavemeaphotographoftheMasterspictureonwhichhesignedasentencecallingmehiscolleague.
YetinfaceofallthesefactsandadmissionsshepursuesmeallroundtheworldwithchargessuchasI
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Now,ifsheisright,thenitmustfollowthattheMastersheportraysisaMephistopheleswhowishesto
destroythosewhoinanywaytrustorfollowhim.ShemakeshiminSeptember,1893,thankmeformy
acts,andsomefewmonthsafter,shehashimeggingherandothersontotryandconvictmeofforgery
andfalsepretence,withadestructionofmycharacteraddedasafinalpossibleresult.Butifwetakeher
admissions about me and my genuine messages and my standing, as true, and construe them with our
bestreason,aswemust,thensheandhercoadjutorsareallwrongfrombeginningtoend.
Again,ifshedeniesthegenuinenessofthephotographanditsinscription,shehastochargeH.P.B.and
myselfwithconspiracyandfraudingettinguptheinscription,thehandwritingofwhichisH.P.B.s,the
signaturebeingtheMasters.(LoudApplause.)

AtthispointDr.J.A.Andersonmovedthefollowingresolutionwhichwascarriedbyacclamationand
withloudapplause:
ThatthismeetingconsiderstheexplanationandreplyjustreadforBrotherJudgeperfectlysatisfactory,
butthatsofaraswewhoarepresentareconcerned,itwasnotnecessary.

N0TE.Theosophical Articles by William Q. Judge, Volume II. pp. 290338, contains other writings
andstatementsonthiscontroversythatappearedinthePath.Thesearealsoavailableinpamphlet#27,
IssuesintheT.S.

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