Agenda: of The ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel

AGENDA
Of The

ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel

STANDARDS COMMITTEE ON WELDING, BRAZING &
FUSING
(BPV IX)

HYATT REGENCY BELLEVUE
900 Bellevue Way NE
Bellevue, WA 98004

May 13, 2014

8:00 A.M. 1:30 P.M.

1.0 Call to Order - 8:00 A.M.

2.0 Adoption of Agenda

3.0 Approval of the February 11
th
, 2014 Meeting Minutes

4.0 Announcements

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ASME BPVC SC IX Meeting Agenda May 13, 2014

5.0 Membership Pages 12-29
Balance of Interest: J ohn Swezy from User (AW) to General Interest (AF)
There are a number of membership expirations scheduled for J une 30, 2014, on the Standards Committee
and Subgroups, which will be placed on a ballot for renewal following this meeting.

6.0 Honors & Awards Page 30

7.0 Research Activities

8.0 Unresolved Standards Committee Letter Ballot Items

BPV IX Letter Ballot #14-501:

13-1048 Section IX; Friction Stir Welding Procedure Qualification Pages 31-33

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Sims (PM), Swezy, Boring

This item received one negative and several comments, which are included for review.

13-1701 Section IX; QW/QB-422 and Appendix D - Inclusion of ASTM/ASME Pages 34-38
A/SA A860 Material

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Cutlip (PM)

This item received several comments, which are included for review.

13-1793 Section IX; Hybrid Variables Pages 39-42

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Boring (PM)


13-2040 Section IX; Table QW/QB-422 - Revise ISO 15608 Ti Groups Pages 43-51

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Carpenter (PM)

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13-2043 Section IX; Table QW-254.1 and Table QW-258.1 - Strip Cladding Pages 52-56

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Newell (PM)

This item received two negatives and several comments, which are included for review.

13-2128 Section IX; QG-106 - Full Supervision & Control During Qualification Pages 57-63

Subgroup: GENR/QUAL
Task Group: Sturgill (PM)


13-2287 Section IX; Revision of QG-106.2 Pages 64-67

Subgroup: GENR


BPV IX Letter Ballot #14-624:

13-467 Section IX; QF-143.2.4.2 and QF-463 (d) - Side Bend Test Pages 68-74

Subgroup: PLAS
Task Group: Sturgill (PM), Craig

This item received two negatives and several comments, which are included for review.

9.0 Errata

14-493 Section IX; Errata Page 75

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Bernasek (PM)

10.0 Interpretations

12-1784 Section IX; QW-200.4(a) and QW-200.4(b) Pages 76-77

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Harbison (PM), Wiesner, Hayes, Wagner, Howard, Corbit, VanFosson, Roza,
Boring
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13-598 Section IX; QW-304 - Welder Performance Qualification Pages 78-79

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Sims (PM), Corbit, Boring

13-1201 Section IX; QW-301.2 Pages 80-81

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Flenner (PM), Corbit, Hamtak, Lang, Gingrich, Kris, Harbison, Desai,
Nywening

14-255 Section IX; QW-322.1 - Maintaining Qualification Pages 82-84

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: VanFosson (PM), Hayes, Tune, Gingrich, Cutlip

14-409 Section IX; Table QW-451.1 - Base Metal Thickness Qualification Pages 85-86

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Bowers (PM)

14-439 Section IX; QW-452 WPQ, Range for Qualification Pages 87-88

Subgroup: QUAL

14-447 Section IX; QW-300.2 - Welder Performance Qualifications Pages 89-90

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Rice (PM)

14-448 Section IX; QW-403.5 - Supplemental Requirements for Group Pages 91-92
Number

Subgroup: QUAL

14-497 Section IX; QW-193 - Tube-to-tubesheet mockup test Pages 93-94

Subgroup: QUAL
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14-510 Section IX; SA-336 F 304Hs P-Number Assignment Pages 95-97

Subgroup: MATL

14-537 Section IX; QW-403.6 - Range thickeness Pages 98-99

Subgroup: QUAL

14-557 Section IX; QW-163: Acceptance Criteria Bend Tests Pages 100-101

Subgroup: GENR

14-558 Section IX; QW-194: Visual Examination Performance Pages 102-103

Subgroup: QUAL

14-559 Section IX; QW-300 General Pages 104-105

Subgroup: QUAL

14-560 Section IX; K-300 Recommended Working General Pages 106-107

Subgroup: GENR

14-579 Section IX; QW-201 - Weld Procedure Qualification Pages 108-110

Subgroup: QUAL

14-786 Section IX; QW-200.2(f) and QW-451.1 Pages 111-112

Subgroup: QUAL

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11.0 Section IX Revisions


Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Sperko (PM), Flenner, J ones

11-1218 Section IX; QW-406.8 and QW-406.9 - Preheat and Interpass Pages 120-121
Temperatures for Temperbead Qualification

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Flenner (PM), Olivares, Lee, Boring

11-1399 Section IX; Review of Referenced Documents Pages 122-123

Subgroup: GENR
Task Group: Sturgill (PM), Flenner, Olivares, J essee

12-344 Section IX; Duplex Alloys with Group Numbers Pages 124-132

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Gingrich (PM), Newell, Boring, Sturgill, Roberts, Wittenbach, Ludwig,
Weisner, Consonni, Doody, Flenner, Lee

12-470 Section IX; PWHT where PWHT results in Degradation of Pages 133-137
Toughness

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Lee (PM), Sperko, Gingrich, Melfi, Newell, Flenner, Spaeder, Roberts, Fiore,
Carpenter

13-277 Section IX; Forms QW-482 and QW-483 Page 138

Subgroup: GENR
Task Group: Sturgill (PM), Bernasek, Howard, Bell, Peetz

13-466 Section IX; Part QF Electrofusing Page 139

Subgroup: PLAS
Task Group: O'Sullivan (PM), Wright, Burwell, Swezy

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13-468 Section IX; QF-464 HSTIT Specimen Pages 140-141

Subgroup: PLAS
Task Group: Swezy (PM), Craig

13-469 Section IX; QF-300 HSTIT Testing Page 142

Subgroup: PLAS
Task Group: McElroy (PM)


Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Lee (PM), Peetz, Lundy

13-827 Section IX; QW-420 - UNS numbers with multiple P-numbers Pages 145-149
(inconsistencies in QW/QB-422)

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Gingrich (PM)

13-1072 Section IX; Temper Bead Rules Page 150

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Flenner (PM), Boring, Feldstein, Melfi, Gingrich, J essee, Rice, Boring,
Gilston, Penso, Couch, Wiesner, Wittenbach

13-1311 Section IX; Add P-Number assignment for S38815 alloy Pages 151-152

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Pischke (PM)

13-1312 Section IX; Tables QW-462.10(a), (b), and (c) Page 153

Subgroup: GENR
Task Group: Woelfel (PM), Ludwig

13-1447 Section IX; Revision of QW-404.12, QW-404.23, QW-404.45, Page 154
and Table QW-257.1

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Bernasek (PM), Sims, Tune, Harbison, Reichelt, Fuchs
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13-1453 Section IX; Nonmandatory Appendix on Guidelines for Pages 155-158
Measurement of Arc Energies

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Melfi (PM), Newell, Boring, Lee, Ludwig, Roza

13-1519 Section IX; QW-409.X Pages 159-164

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Newell (PM), Bernasek, Swezy, Wiesner

13-1698 Section IX; QF-142 Pages 165-166

Subgroup: PLAS
Task Group: OSullivan (PM)

13-2004 Section IX; Effective date of Section IX Code Cases Pages 167-168

Subgroup: GENR
Task Group: Peetz (PM)

13-2097 Section IX; P-No. Assignment of SA-572 and SA-1011 Pages 169-170

Subgroup: MATL

13-2202 Section IX; QW-200.2(f) and QW-200 Pages 171-175

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Harbison (PM), Wiesner, Hayes, Wagner, Howard, Corbit, VanFosson, Roza,
Boring

14-17 Section IX; QW-162 - Bend testing of Aluminum Pages 176-178

Subgroup: GENR
Task Group: Beckman (PM)

14-42 Section IX; Incorporation of Code Cases 2648 and 2653 for Pages 179-182
P numbers (CC 2648) and F numbers (CC 2653)

Subgroup: MATL
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14-137 Section IX; QF-221.1(f) Pages 183-184

Subgroup: PLAS

14-231 Section IX; Review of AWS B2.2 E4 WD-1 Pages 185-188

Subgroup: BRAZ
Task Group: Pischke (PM)

14-331 Section IX; Review of NESCC Report Pages 189-204

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Melfi (PM), Newell, Flenner, Carter, Boring, Sun

14-332 Section IX; Definition of Special Positions Page 205

Subgroup: GENR

14-333 Section IX; QW-304 - UT Volumetric Examination Pages 206

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Lee (PM), Swezy, Hayes, Sims

14-373 Section IX; QG-104 and QW-301.4, Information to Be Included Pages 207-208
On WPQ

Subgroup: GENR/QUAL
Task Group: Pillow (PM)

14-395 Section IX; Addition of S31266 Superaustenitic Stainless Steel Pages 209-213

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Gingrich (PM)

14-414 Section IX; SiC Code Case Page 214

Subgroup: MATL
Task Group: Sperko (PM)

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14-452 Section IX; QW-171 - Impact Testing Pages 215-217

Subgroup: GENR
Task Group: Peetz (PM)


Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Harbison (PM), Van Fosson, Rice

14-515 Section IX; P-Number Assignment Pages 224-225

Subgroup: MATL


Subgroup: GENR
Task Group: Willens (PM)


Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Pischke (PM), Swezy

14-735 Section IX; QW-151 Test Specimens Pages 230-233

Subgroup: QUAL

14-789 Section IX; QW/QB-422 API 5L P-Numbers Pages 234-236

Subgroup: MATL

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12.0 Items from Other Subcommittees

11-1208 Section I; PW-36.3, Minimum Thickness For Weld Overlay or Pages 237-239
Weld Metal Buildup Material Assigned a P Number

Subgroup: QUAL
Task Group: Sims (PM)

13.0 Subgroup on Strength of Weldments Report

14.0 Welding Activities Outside of ASME

14.1 ISO, Europe, Pacific Rim

14.2 Nuclear Energy Standards Coordinating Committee (NESCC)

15.0 New Business

16.0 Future Meetings Page 240

17.0 Adjournment

Respectfully submitted,

Steve Rossi
Secretary, ASME BPVC, SC-IX
1.212.591.7522
rossisj@asme.org
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Walter Sperko, AF
Chair
President
Sperko Engineering Services Inc
4803 Archwood Dr
Greensboro, NC 27406-9795
1(336)674-0600 Phone #
1(336)674-0202 Fax #
sperkoasme.org
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Donald A. Bowers, AK
Vice Chair
Weir Valves & Controls
29 Old Right Rd
Ipswich, MA 01938-1119
(978)825-2561 Phone #
(978)741-3626 Fax #
don.bowersweirgroup.com
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Steven 1. Rossi
Staff Secretary
Project Engineering Administrator
ASME
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New York, NY 10016-5902
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(212)591-8501 Fax #
rossisjasme.org
Com. Exp. Date -
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Michal Bernasek, AF
Member
President, Ceo
C-spec
PO Box 5188
Concord, CA 94524
(925)943-1120 Phone #
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mbernasekcspec.com
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Marvin L. Carpenter, AC
Member
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Bechtel
21 Sandune Ct Apt G
Pittsburgh, PA 15239-2739
(412)829-8598 Phone #
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weldmetaloutlook.com
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Foster Wheeler North America
Perryville Corporate Park
Clinton, NJ 08809-9000
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(908)713-2104 Fax #
joelIeldsteinIwc.com
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Member
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Flenner Engineering Services
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Ilnraol.com
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Stan Gingrich, AC
Member
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URS Corporation
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Robert M. 1essee, AW
Member
B&W
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jesseermy12.doe.gov
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1onathan Lee, AW
Member
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Chevron Energy Technology Co.
1400 Smith St
Ste 19124
Houston, TX 77002-7327
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1(713)372-7100 Fax #
JonLeechevron.com
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Commandant (CG-5213)
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Washington, DC 20593-7126
(202)372-1379 Phone #
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Member
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Lincoln Electric Co.
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teresamelIilincolnelectric.com
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Euroweld, Ltd.
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Mooresville, NC 28117-6845
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Michael Rice, AK
Member
SENIOR CORPORATE WELDING ENGINEER
Nooter Corporation
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St Louis, MO 63166-6514
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mricenooter.com
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Member
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Southern Company Generation
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mbsimssouthernco.com
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Titusville, FL 32780
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Member
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Marcello Consonni, AF
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TWI Ltd
Granta Park
Great Abington CB216AL
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Rolls-Royce PLC
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Michal Bernasek
Chair
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Summary of ASME Awards Applicable to BPTCS Activities
WJS 613

The Melvin R. Green Codes and Standards Medal recognizes outstanding contributions to: (1) the
development, promulgation, or management of documents, objects, or devices used in ASME programs
of technical codification, standardization, and conformity assessment, or (2) the acceptance of ASME
Codes and Standards within the United States or internationally. Annual award in BPV and piping
activities.

The Dedicated Service Award (DSA) honors unusual dedicated voluntary service to the Society marked
by outstanding performance, demonstrated effective leadership, prolonged and committed service,
devotion, enthusiasm and faithfulness. The award may be presented to selected individuals who have
served the Society for at least ten years in one or more of the following areas: Standards and
Certification; Public Affairs & Outreach; Knowledge & Community; Student & Early Career Development ,
Board of Governors; Institutes; ASME Foundation; The ASME Auxiliary, Inc. and Committees reporting to
the Board of Governors. ASME VPs Senior VPs and Governors can give out each one per year to be
submitted to staff for processing by December 1.

The J. Hall Taylor Medal is presented for distinguished service or eminent achievement in the field of
codes and standards pertaining to the broad fields of piping and pressure vessels which are sponsored or
undertaken by ASME. The scope includes contributions to technical advancement and administration.
Annual award in BPV and piping activities.
In 1965, by a bequest through the ASME activity in codes and standards, the Taylor Forge and Pipe
Works established this award to commemorate the pioneering work of J. Hall Taylor in the field of
standardization of industrial products and safety codes for their usage.
Fellow: A Membership Grade of Distinction The ASME Board of Governors confers the Fellow grade
of membership on worthy candidates to recognize their outstanding engineering achievements.
Nominated by their peers, ASME Fellows have had 10 or more years of active practice and at least 10
years of continuous active membership in ASME

The ASME McDonald Mentoring Award established in 2007 recognizes the outstanding mentoring of
other professionals by an engineer in industry, government, education or private practice.
Candidates for this award must have attained, as a minimum, a record of outstanding performance in the
following areas:
Contribute significantly to the engineering community. Serve as an effective advocate and
guide and exhibited true concern for mentees.
Demonstrate a portion of their mentoring or advising activities within the past 5 years.
Demonstrate the impact of practices, processes and programs established by the nominee.
Must be a member of ASME, or another ICOMES member society for at least 5 years, as well as
when receiving the award.
Have a baccalaureate or equivalent degree in recognized field of engineering or engineering
science, but not necessary in mechanical engineering.

Certificates of Acclamation are given to members of task groups that have undertaken and completed
new or extensive projects developing new rules or introducing new technology.

Service Awards. Members are recognized for 10-year increments of membership on committees.

All awards and the process for submitting vessels can be found at:

https://www.asme.org/about-asme/get-involved/honors-awards

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Record Information
1. Record# 2. Primary Committee Responsible 3. Record Level 4. Record Sub-Type *
13-1048 BPV IX Stds Comm Proposal Revision
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Friction Stir Welding Procedure Qualification
2. Proposal
Revise Table QW-267 and QW-404 to provide new variables addressing the use of preplaced filler metal for
Friction Stir Welding procedure qualification.
3. Explanation *
The use of filler metal has been proposed for use in FSW joints with wide root gaps. Section IX does not address
the use of filler metal for FSW. This action provides additional variables to address procedure qualification
variables for the use of preplaced filler metal.
4. Summary of Changes
1) Revise Table QW-267 to add QW-404.14 as an essential variable for addition or deletion of filler and add a new
essential variable QW-404.XX to address an increase in the width of preplaced filler strips; 2) create a new
essential variable QW-404.XX requiring requalification of the WPS when the width of preplaced filler strips (when
used) is increased over that used in qualification; and 3) create a new essential variable QW-404.YY requiring
requalification of the WPS for a change to another type or grade of preplaced filler metal.
Project Technical Manager
1. Project Manager *

Sims, Martin
mbsims@southernco.com
(205)992-7473
Comments & Negatives Posted for Ballot#: 14-501

BernasekM (Approved)
Date Posted: 03/08/14
Suggestion: Replace "preplaced filler" with "preplaced
filler metal" in the proposed Brief of Variables column
(2 places).
Response:

SimsM: 03/31/14
Thank you for your comment. The brief of variables will
be changed to replace the words "preplaced filler" with
"preplaced filler metal" to be consistent with the
wording in the new variables.

J ollyG (Comment)
I do not see how "friction" or "stirring" gets into the
Response:

SimsM: 04/02/14
Thank you for your comment. The Friction Stir Welding
(FSW) process has already been incorporated into the
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description of this welding or brazing process. Is
friction and stirring part of the process?
2013 edition of Section IX by a previous action. The
definition of the FSW process is currently included in
QG-109.2 of the 2013 edition. Both "friction" and
"stirring" are part of this welding process. However, the
current action does not address the process definition,
it only adds new variables to address the use of
preplaced filler metal.

LeeJ S (Disapproved)
The preplace filler metal should have two dimensions
(width and depth). Believe it is assumed that the depth
is full thickness, however may not necessarily be
always the case.,
Follow-Up Response:

LeeJS: 03/31/14
Accepted. Thank you for the quick response.

Response:

SimsM: 03/31/14
Thank you for your comment. The proposed new
variable QW-404.XX will be changed to read "An
increase in the width or depth of preplaced filler metal."
The Brief of Variable will also be changed to read ">
Width/depth of preplaced filler metal".

ManolyK (Comment)
The use of filler metal has been proposed for use in
FSW joints with wide root gaps. Section IX does not
address the use of filler metal for FSW. This action
provides additional variables to address procedure
qualification variables for the use of preplaced filler
metal.
Response:

SimsM: 04/04/14
Thank you for commenting, however, your comment is
not clear. The words you provided are from the
Explanation for the item. Is there a question or
suggested change?

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13-1048 Proposal 4/7/2014

Subject: SC IX; Friction Stir Welding (FSW) Procedure Qualification

Proposal: Revise Table QW-267 and QW-404 to provide new variables addressing the
use of preplaced filler metal for Friction Stir Welding procedure qualification.

Explanation: The use of filler metal has been proposed for use in FSW joints with wide
root gaps. Section IX does not address the use of filler metal for FSW. This action
provides additional variables to address procedure qualification variables for the use of
preplaced filler metal.

Proposed Change:

Revise Table QW-267 as follows:

QW-404
Filler Metals

.14

Filler metal

X

.XX >Thickness or width of
preplaced filler metal
X
.YY Type/grade X

Add new variables:

QW-404.XX An increase in the thickness or width of preplaced filler metal.

QW-404.YY A change to another type or grade of preplaced filler metal (type or grade
are materials of the same nominal chemical analysis and mechanical property range,
even though of different product form).

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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW/QB-422 and Appendix D - Inclusion of ASTM A860 Material
2. Proposal
Include ASTM A860 Material in QW/QB-422 and Appendix D
3. Explanation *
This item is due to a request for inclusion of ASTM A860 Smls. & welded fittings and P-Number assignment.
These fittings are used with API 5L X Smls. & welded pipe & tube.
Revised QW/QB-422 and Appendix D to include ASTM A860 Material

Cutlip, Eric
evcutlip@babcock.com
1(330)860-2637

ChaudouetA (Comment)
SA-860 is not included in Section II Part A. Either
A/SA-860 should be changed into A860 in the
proposal or a linked item should be opened with BPV II
in order to incorporate this specification into Section II
Part A.
Response:

BernasekM: 05/01/14
You are correct. The markup was corrected to read
A860.

ManolyK (Comment)
This item is due to a request for inclusion of
ASTM/ASME A/SA A860 Smls. & welded fittings and
P-Number assignment. These fittings are used with
API 5L X Smls. & welded pipe & tube.
Response:

BernasekM: 05/01/14
Comment requires no additional action for this item.

RozaA (Approved)
The ISO 20173 latest edition (2009) is wrong with the
grouping of this materials, see attached file.
This grouping as it is in the proposal is right.

View Additional Comments File
Response:

BernasekM: 05/01/14
Comment requires no action for this item.

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StankoM (Approved)
There are unnecessary "A"s in front of 860 in Record
Description boxes 1 through 4.
Response:

BernasekM: 05/01/14
Record Description boxes were corrected.

TatarF (Comment)
In the future, perhaps you might ask the Secretary for
the Record No. before you submit the proposal.
Response:

BernasekM: 05/01/14
The Record No. is now included on the proposed
markup. The record number was obtained from the
Secretary before the proposal was submitted, however
it was inadvertently omitted from the original markup.

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Table QW/QB-422
Ferrous/Nonferrous P-Numbers
Grouping of Base MetaLs for Qualification
Minimum Welding Brazing
Specified
Tensile, Icsi Group ISO 15608
Spec. No. Type or Grade UNS No. (MPa) P-No. No. P-No. Group Nominal Composition Product Form
A860 1 WPHY 42 1 60 (41 5) 1 -1 --
A860 ' WPHY 46
-' - F
63 (435)
1 -
1 i
A860 I WPHY 60
. . _ i 66 (455)
75(51 5)
1
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1
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Note to Editor: Insert all line items into the existing table. The entire table shall be in the following sorted order:
(1) Spec. No. (by numeric value within "A/SA-" and "A" prefix, then by numeric value within each remaining alphabetically sorted prefix)
(2) UNS No. (alpha-numeric sort)
(3) Type or Grade (alpha-numeric sort)
(4) Minimum Specified Tensile (by numeric value)
Final sort order will be circulated in a letter ballot prior to the cut-off deadline for the 2015 edition.
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P-No.
Grp.
No. Spec. No.
Type, Grade, or UNS
No. P-No.
Grp.
No. Spec, No.
Type, Grade, or UNS
No,
Steel and Steel Alloys (Caned) Steel and Steel Alloys (COtled)
1 1 A575 M1010 1 1 A/SA.675 65
1 1 A575 M1012
1 1 A575 M1015
t 1 A694 P42

1 1 A694 F46
1 1 A575 M1017
1 1 A575 M1020
1 1 A694 P52

1 1 AS75 M1023
1 1 A/SA-696 B
1 1 A575 M1025
1 1 A707 L 1, C1.1
1 1 A576 610000
1 1 A707 L l, C1.2
1 1 A576 610100
1 1 A707 L 2, C11
1 1 A576 610120
1 1 A707 L 2, Cl. 2
1 1 A576 6101 50
1 1 A707 L 3, C1.1
1 1 A5 76 6101 60
1 1 A707 1.3, C1.2
1 1 A576 610170
1 1 A/SA-727
1 1
A860
WPHY 42
1 1 A/SA-765 1
1 1
A860
WPHY 46
1 A/SA-B36
1 1 A992
1 1 A860 WPHY 52
I 1 A/SA-1000 CS Type A
1 1 A576 610220
1 1 A/SA, 1 ON CS Type B
1 1 A576 610230
1 1 A/SA4 008 DS Type 11
1 1 AS76 610250
1 1 A/SA-1 011 CS Type 13
1 1 A/SA:',87 ...
1 1 A/SA.1011 DS Type B
1 1 A/SA-610 III
1 1 API St, A (all gradco)
1 1 A633 A
1 1 API SL A25 (all) )rades)
1 1 A633 C
1 1 API SC. A25P (all grades)
I 1 A633 D
1 1 API St. B (all grail.%)
1 1 A/SA4-)56 Type 3, Gr. 50
1 1 API 51. X42 (all grad esj
1 1 A/SA-656 Type 7, Gr. 50
1 1 API SL X46 (all grades)
1 1 A/SA-660 INCA
1 1 API 51. X52 (all grades)
1 1 A/SA-662 A
1 1 MSS SP75 WPHY.42
1 1 A/SA-662 13
1 1 MSS SP75 WPHY 46
1 1 A/SA.663 ...
I 1 MSS SP75 WPI I Y.52
1 1 A/SA 66B a. B
1 1 A/SA.668 CI. C
1 1 SA/AS 1 548 FT43 0
1 1 A/SA-671 CASS
1 I SA/AS 1 54 0 PT460
1 1 A/SA.671 C1360
1 1 SA/CSA G40.21 Gr.38W
1 1 SA/CSA 640.21 Gr.44W
1 1 A/SA-671 0065
1 1 SA/CSA 640.21 Gr.SOW
1 1 A/SA4171 CC60
I 1 SA/EN 1 002 0-2 P23561 1
1 1 A/SA.671 CC6S
1 1 SA/EN 1 002 8-2 P26561 1
1 1 A/SA-671 CESS
1 1 SA/EN 1 0028 2 P29561 1
1 1 A/SA-671 C.E60
1 1 SA/EN 1 0020.3 P27 5N1 1
1 1 A/SA672 A45
I 1 SA/EN 1 021 6.2 P23561 1
1 1 A/SA-672 ASO
1 1 SA/EN 1 021 6.2 P2 65GFI
1 1 SA/EN 1 02222 P21 1 061 1
1 1 A/SA-672 ASS 1 1 SA/EN 1 002 5-2 S2351 8
1 1 A/SA.672 055 1 1 SA/EN 1 021 7.1 P2351 1 1 2
1 1 A/SA-672 060 1 1 SA/GB 71 3 Q345Ft
1 1 A/SA-672 065 1 1 SA/I S 2062 E250 A
1 1 A/SA-672 C55 I 1 SA/1 S 2 062 E250 B
1 1 SA/ES 2 062 E250 C
1 1 A/SA.672 C60
1 1 A/SA.672 C6S 1 2 A/SA.1 OS
1 1 A/SA-672 E55 1 2 A/SA.1 06 C
1 1 ,P,/SA-672 E60 1 2 A/SA.1 78 D
1 1 A/SA675 45 1 2 A/SA.1 81 Cl.70
1 2 A/SA-2 1 0 C
1 1 A/SA.675 SO
1 1 A/SA-675 55 1 2 A/SA.21 6 WCB
1 1 A/SA.675 60 1 2 A/SA-2 1 6 WCC
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2013 SECTION IX
Type, Grade, or UNS Gtli. Type, Grade, or UNS
No, P-No. No. Spec. No. No.
WPC
2
3
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Y52
Y56
Y60
Gr. 14. CI. A
lA
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1
Siva and Steel Alloys (Coned)
12 A/SA.691 CMS-75
12 A/SA.691 CMS11-70
1 2 A694 P56
12 A694 F60
1 2 A694 F65
12 A/SA-696 C
12 A707 L 2, Cl. 3
1 2 ATO 7
L 3, Cl. 3
12 A/SA.737 0
12 A/SA.730 A
1 2 A/SA.765 II
12 API 5L X56 (all grades)
12 API 5L X60 (all grades)
12 APi 51. X65 (all grades)
1 2 MSS SP-75 WPIIY-56
12 MSS SP-75 WPI1Y -60
1 2 MSS SP-75 WP HY -65
12 SA/AS 1 540 P1490
12 SA/EN 10020.2 P355G11
12 5A/EN 10222.2 P305611
12 SA/GB 713 Q 34 5R
1 2 SA/GB 7 13 Q 37OR
12 SA/1L S 63 1111 SGV 480
2 A/SA-041 A, Cl. 1
3 A/SA.299 B
3 A/SA-333 10
3 A/SA-350 L F6. Cl. 2
3 A513 102 6 CW
3 A/SA-537 Cl. 2
3 A/SA-537 CI. 3
3 A633 e
13 A/SA-65 6 Type 3, Gr. 70
13 A/SA-65 6 Type 7, Gr. 70
13 A/5A-67 1 COR O
13 A/SA-67 2 0130
13 A/SA-69 1 CMS11 130
13 A694 F70
I 3 A/SA-73 7 C
13 A/SA-73 0 B
13 A/SA-73 8 C
13 A/SA-76 5 IV
13 A/SA-131 2 65
3 A/M-84 1 0, a. 2
13 API St. X70 (all grades)
13 MSS SP-75 WPI1Y70
14 A/SA-65 6 Type 3, Gr. 110
1 4 A/SA-65 6 Type 7. Gr. 00
1 4 A/SA-72 4 A
14 A/SA-72 4
II
1 4 A/SA-72 4 C
14 A/SA-111 2 00
14 API 51. )010 (all grades)
3 1A/SA-204 A
3 .1
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WPHY 60
WPHY 65
1010 ON
102 0 CW
102 2 CW
102 5 CW
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Cl. CE
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Tox, 7. Gr. (if/
WPHY 70
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C1370
CC70
CD70
CK 75
070
C70
D70
N75
70
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No reproduction may be made of this material without written consent of ASME.
Grp.
P-No, No. Spec. No.
Steel and Steel Alloy:, (Con t'd)
12 A/SA 234
12 A/S/V 266
12 A/SA-266
12 A/SA266
1 2 A/SA 299
12 A/SA-350
12 A/SA 352
12 A356
12 A/SA 372
12 A301
12 A381
12 A3131
2 A/SA.414
2 A/SA.414
2 A/SA-155
2 A/SA-407
2 A501
2 A/SA, 506
2 A/SA.508
2 A519
2 A519
2 A519
2 A519
2 A519
2 A521
2 A/SA-537
2 A/SA541
12 A/SA.541
12 A/SA-556
12 A/SA.557
A/SA-572
A573
Ati113
A633
A633
2
12 A/SA-662
12 A/SA 671
12 A/SA-671
12 A/511-671
1 2 A/SA-671
12 A/SA-672
12 A/SA-672
12 A/SA.672
12 A/SA'672
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Record Information
13-1793 BPV IX Stds Comm Approved Revision
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Hybrid Variables
2. Proposal
Delete QW-410.78, QW-410.79, QW-410.81, QW-410.82, QW-410.83, QW-410.84
3. Explanation *
After reviewing BPV IX with the addtion of Hybrid Variables (#12-1133), it was determined that QW-410.78, QW-
410.79, QW-410.81, QW-410.82, QW-410.83, QW-410.84 needed to be deleted.
Deleted QW-410.78, QW-410.79, QW-410.81, QW-410.82, QW-410.83, QW-410.84

Boring, Matt
matt.boring@applusrtd.com
1(614)410-1616 EXT0

FeldsteinJ (Approved)
For clarity to the editor revise note to state "Replace
the text of EACH highlighted variable with the word
"DELETED".

ManolyK (Comment)
After reviewing BPV IX with the addition of Hybrid
Variables (#12-1133), it was determined that QW-
410.78, QW-410.79, QW-410.81, QW-410.82, QW-
410.83, QW-410.84 needed to be deleted.

NewellW (Approved)
My meeting notes indicate that the word "deleted"
would be included for each deleted variable. The
attached mark-up does not indicate such. If my notes
are incorrect, then I vote approved. If the notes are
correct, then this correction should be made.

Response:

RossiS: 03/03/14
Bill, you are correct, I have updated the proposal file.

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TatarF (Comment)
Will the Code show DELETED, or is there just going to
be empty space?
Response:

RossiS: 04/03/14
It will show the word "Deleted".

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Committee Correspondence

Dear Steve,

Attached is a proposed revision to ASME Section IX to delete variables listed in QW-410
that no longer apply with the deletion of Table QW-268, Table QW-269 and Table QW-
269.1. The variables to be deleted include QW-410.78 through QW-410.79 and QW-
410.81 through QW-410.84 as shown on the following page for a total of six variables.

Committee: BPV IX
Agenda Item: 13-1793
Subject: Hybrid Welding Variables

Date: February 27, 2014
To: Steve Rossi

Address the writer at:
Kiefner /ApplusRTD
585 Scherers Ct.
Worthington, OH 43085
Phone:614-410-1616
matt.boring@applusrtd.com
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Deleted the
two
highlighted
variables
Deleted the
four
highlighted
variables
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Replace the text
of the two
highlighted
variables with
the word
DELETED
Replace the text
of the four
highlighted
variables with
the word
DELETED
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Table QW/QB-422 - Revise ISO 15608 Ti Groups
2. Proposal
Revise ISO 15608 group for Ti alloys in QW/QB-422 per proposed markup in C. File Attachments.
3. Explanation *
Corrected ISO 15608 Group for Ti alloys.
ISO 15608 Group revised for B/SB-265,-338,-348,-363,-367,-381,-861,-862.

Carpenter, Marvin
weldmetal@outlook.com
(412)829-8598

FeldsteinJ (Disapproved)
This is purely an administrative negative to hold the
item from proceeding should the SGM (BPV IX) decide
to adopt the changes offered by Mr. Sutherlin.
Response:

CarpenterM: 04/16/14
See response to Mr. Sutherlin

ManolyK (Comment)
Corrected ISO 15608 Group for Ti alloys.
Response:


SutherlinR (Comment)
On Page 153, you changed the Titanium casting
grades in the ISO 15608 column as follows: C-2 to
51.2 and C-3 to 51.3. Titanium casting grades have
much higher oxygen content than the wrought grades.
Both the C-2 and C-3 casting grades have an oxygen
content (according to B/SB-367) a maximum of 0.4%. I
believe these ISO designations should 51.4 instead of
Response:

You are correct, the castings should be 51.4. The item
has been corrected. I do not know the reasoning for
the ISO groupings for titanium.

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51.2 and 51.3. Another question is why is ISO
breaking these up in subcategory groupings? I don't
see what sense it makes to do this on titanium.
SwezyJ (Abstain)
Abstain while awaiting responses to the ballot
comments.
Response:

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Table QW/QB-422
Ferrous/Nonferrous P-N umbers
Grouping of Base Metals for Qualification (Cont'd)
Specified ISO
Alloy, Type, or Tensile, ksi 15608
Spec. No. UNS No. Grade (MPa) P-No. P-No. Group Nominal Composition Product Form
Nonferrous (Cont'd)
B/SB-241 A91060 1060 8.5 (59) 21 1042199.60AI Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A91100 1100 11 (76) 21 1042199.0A1-Cu SmIs. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 ... Alclad 3003 13 (90) 21 104 ... Al-Mn-Cu Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A93003 3003 14(97) 21 10422.1 Al-Mn-Cu SmIs. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A95052 5052 25 (170) 22 105 22.3 Al-2.5Mg SmIs. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A95083 5083 39 (270) 25 105 22.4AI-4.4Mg-Mn SmIs. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A95086 5086 35 (240) 25 105 22.4Al-4.OMg-Mn SmIs. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A95454 5454 31 (215) 22 105 22.3 A1-2.7Mg-Mn Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A95456 5456 41 (285) 25 105 22.4AI-5.1Mg-Mn Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A96061 6061 24(165) 23 105 23.1 AI-Mg-Si-Cu SmIs. pipe & tube
B/SB-241 A96063 6063 17 (115) 23 105 23.1 Al-Mg-Si Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-247 A93003 3003 14(97) 21 10422.1 Al-Mn-Cu Forgings
B/SB-247 A95083 5083 38 (260) 25 105 22.4A1-4.4Mg-Mn Forgings
B/SB-247 A96061 6061 24(165) 23 105 23.1 Al-Mg-Si-Cu Forgings
B/SB-265 R50250 1 35 (240) 51 115 51.1 Ti Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 850400 2 50(345) 51 115 51.L Ti Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R50400 2H 58 (400) 51 115 pan Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R50550 3 65 (450) 52 115 $1.STi Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 852250 11 35 (240) 51 115 s2. Ti-Pd Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 852252 17 35 (240) 51 ... 51.1 Ti-Pd Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R52254 27 35 (240) 51 115 51,1 Ti-Ru Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R52400 7 50(345) 51 115 in t'2. Ti-Pd Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R52400 7H 58 (400) 51 115 4.1 S. Ti-Pd Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R52402 16 50(345) 51 115 51.2. Ti-Pd Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R52402 16H 58 (400) 51 115
51
.2.Ti-Pd Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R52404 26 50(345) 51 Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R52404 26H 58 (400) 51 115
115 \ec51).2, Ti-Ru : 7
S1.2.Ti-Ru Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R53400 12 70(485) 52 115 52 Ti-0.3Mo-0.8Ni Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R56320 9 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-265 R56323 28 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3A1-2.5V-0.1Ru Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-271 C95200 ... 65 (450) 35 108 35 88Cu-9AI-3Fe Castings
B/SB-271 C95400 ... 75 (515) 35 108 35 85Cu-11A1-4Fe Castings
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Specified ISO
Nonferrous (Cont'd)
B280 C10200 102 30(205) 31 107 3199.95Cu-P Smis. tube
B280 C12000 120 30(205) 31 107 3199.9Cu-P Smis. tube
B280 C12200 122 30(205) 31 107 3199.9Cu-P SmIs. tube
B/SB-283 C11000 Cu 33 (230) 31 107 31 99.9Cu Forgings
B/SB-283 C37700 Forging brass 46 (315) ... 107 NA60Cu-38Zn-2Pb Forgings > 1.5 in. (38 mm)
B/SB-283 C37700 Forging brass 50(345) ... 107 NA60Cu-38Zn-2Pb Forgings 5 1.5 in. (38 mm)
B/SB-283 C46400 Naval brass 64(440) 32 107 32.260Cu-39Zn-Sn Forgings
B/SB-283 C65500 High Si bronze 52(360) 33 107 31 97Cu-3Si Forgings
B/SB-283 C67500 Mn bronze 72(495) 32 107 32.259Cu-39Zn-Fe-Sn Forgings
B302 C12000 ... 30(205) 31 107 31 99.9Cu-P Pipe
B302 C12200 ... 30(205) 31 107 31 99.9Cu-P Pipe
B/SB-308 A96061 6061 24(165) 23 105 23.1 Al-Mg-Si-Cu Shapes
B/SB-315 C65500 ... 50(345) 33 107 33 97Cu-3Si Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-333 N10001 ... 100(690) 44 112 4462Ni-28Mo-5Fe Plate, sheet & strip z 0.1875 in. - 2.5 in. (5 mm
- 64mm), incl.
B/SB-333 N10001 115 (795) 44 112 4462Ni-28Mo-5Fe Plate, sheet & strip < 0.1875 in. (5 mm)
B/SB-333 N10629 ... 110(760) 44 112 4466Ni-28Mo-3Fe-1.3Cr-0.25A1 Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-333 N10665 ... 110(760) 44 112 4465Ni-28Mo-2Fe Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-333 N10675 ... 110(760) 44 112 4465Ni-29.5Mo-2Fe-2Cr Plate, sheet & strip
B/SB-335 N10001 100(690) 44 112 4462Ni-28Mo-5Fe Rod > 1.5 in. - 3.5 in. (38 mm- 89 mm), incl.
B/SB-335 N10001 ... 115 (795) 44 112 4462Ni-28Mo-5Fe Rod z 0.3125 in. - 1.5 in. (8 mm- 38 mm), incl.
B/SB-335 N10629 ... 110(760) 44 112 4466Ni-28Mo-3Fe-1.3Cr-0.25A1 Rod
B/SB-335 N10665 ... 110(760) 44 112 4465Ni-28Mo-2Fe Rod
B/SB-335 N10675 ... 110(760) 44 112 4465Ni-29.5Mo-2Fe-2Cr Rod
B/SB-338 R50250 1 35 (240) 51 115 ~~51 ,1 Ti Smis. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R50400 2 50(345) 51 115 51 .2, Ti Smis. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R50400 2H 58 (400) 51 115 Vail Smis. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R50550 3 65 (450) 52 115 TI3Ti Smis. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R52400 7 50(345) 51 115 LTi-Pd Smis. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R52400 7H 58 (400) 51 115 52. Ti-Pd Smis. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R52402 16 50(345) 51 115 51 . Ti-Pd Smis. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R52402 16H 58 (400) 51 115 ... g(.2.Ti-Pd SmIs. & welded tube
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Table QW/QB-422
Specified ISO
Spec. No. UNSNo. Grade (MPa) P-No. P-No. Group Nominal Composition Product Form
Nonferrous (Cont'd)
B/SB-338 R52404 26 50(345) 51 SmIs. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R52404 26H 58 (400) 51
115 .."1: 511,2, Ti-Ru
115 511 2 Ti-Ru
: :
Smls. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R53400 12 70(485) 52 115 52Ti-0.3Mo-0.8Ni Smis. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R56320 9 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V SmIs. & welded tube
B/SB-338 R56323 28 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V-0.1Ru SmIs. & welded tube
B345 A91060 1060 8.5 (59) 21 104 21 99.60AI SmIs. pipe & tube
B345 A93003 3003 14(97) 21 104 22.1 Al-Mn-Cu SmIs. pipe & tube
8345 A95083 5083 39 (270) 25 105 22.4Al-4.4Mg-Mn SmIs. pipe & tube
B345 A95086 5086 35 (240) 25 105 22.4Al-4.OMg-Mn SmIs. pipe & tube
B345 A96061 6061 24(165) 23 105 23.1 AI-Mg-Si-Cu SmIs. pipe & tube
B345 A96063 6063 17 (115) 23 105 23.1 Al-Mg-Si Smls. pipe & tube
B/SB-348 R50250 1 35 (240) 51 115 51,1 Ti Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R50400 2 SO (345) 51 115 51.2. Ti Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R50400 2H 58 (400) 51 115 It 3,,Ti Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R50550 3 65 (450) 52 115 213Ti Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R52400 7 50(345) 51 115 52 Ti-Pd Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R52400 7H 58 (400) 51 115 n Ti-Pd Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R52402 16H 58 (400) 51 115 flaTi-Pd Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R52404 26 50(345) 51 115 51,2, Ti-Ru Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R52404 26H 58 (400) 51 115 sl.tTi-Ru Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R53400 12 70(485) 52 115 52Ti-0.3Mo-0.8Ni Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R52402 16 50(345) 51 115 51,2, Ti-Pd Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R56320 9 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V Bars & billets
B/SB-348 R56323 28 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V-0.1Ru Bars & billets
A/SA-351 N08603 HT30 65 (450) 45 111 45 35Ni-15Cr-0.5Mo Castings
A/SA-351 J94651 CN3MN 80(550) 45 111 8.246Fe-24Ni-21Cr-6Mo-Cu-N Castings
A/SA-351 N08007 CN7M 62(425) 45 111 8.228Ni-19Cr-Cu-Mo Castings
A/SA-351 N08151 CT15C 63 (435) 45 111 45 32Ni-45Fe-20Cr-Cb Castings
B/SB-359 C12200 30(205) 31 107 31 99.9Cu-P Smis. tube
B/SB-359 C44300 45 (310) 32 107 32.271Cu-28Zn-15n-0.06As Smis. tube
B/SB-359 C44400 ... 45 (310) 32 107 32.271Cu-28Zn-15n-0.065b Smls. tube
B/SB-359 C44500 ... 45 (310) 32 107 32.271Cu-28Zn-lSn-0.06P Smls. tube
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Specified ISO
Nonferrous (Cont'd)
B/SB-359 C70600 ... 40(275) 34 107 3490Cu-10Ni SmIs. tube
B/SB-359 C71000 ... 45 (310) 34 107 3480Cu-20Ni Smis. tube
B/SB-359 C71500 ... 52(360) 34 107 3470Cu-30Ni Smis. tube
B361 A91060 WP1060 8.5 (59) 21 104 2199.60AI Fittings
B361 A91100 WP1100 11 (76) 21 104 2199.0AI-Cu Fittings
B361 A83003 WP Alclad 3003 13 (90) 21 104 ... Al-Mn-Cu Fittings
B361 A93003 WP3003 14(97) 21 104 22.1 Al-Mn-Cu Fittings
B361 A95083 5083 39 (270) 25 105 22.4Al-4.4Mg-Mn Fittings
B361 A95154 5154 30(205) 22 105 22.3 Al-3.5Mg Fittings
B361 A96061 WP6061 24(165) 23 105 23.1 Al-Mg-Si-Cu Fittings
B361 A96063 WP6063 17 (115) 23 105 23.1 Al-Mg-Si Fittings
B/SB-363 R50250 WPT1 35 (240) 51 115 51.3 Ti Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R50400 WPT2 50(345) 51 115 51.2. Ti Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R50550 WPT3 65 (450) 52 115 S'LliTi Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R52400 WPT7 50(345) 51 115 ti, Ti-Pd SmIs. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R52400 WPT7H 58 (400) 51 115 n Ti-Pd Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R52402 WPT16 50(345) 51 115 sla Ti-Pd Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R52402 WPT16H 58 (400) 51 115 si1.1. Ti-Pd Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R52404 WPT26 50(345) 51 115 Nik 51.1. Ti-Ru Sink. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R52404 WPT26H 58 (400) 51 115 S1.2.11-Ru Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R53400 WPT12 70(485) 52 115 52Ti-0.3Mo-0.8Ni Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R56320 WPT9 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-363 R56323 WPT28 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V-0.1Ru Smis. & welded fittings
B/SB-366 N02200 ... 55 (380) 41 110 41 99.0Ni Fittings
B/SB-366 N02201 ... 50(345) 41 110 41 99.0Ni-Low C Fittings
B/SB-366 N04400 70(485) 42 110 4267Ni-30Cu Fittings
B/SB-366 N06002 ... 100(690) 43 111 43 47Ni-22Cr-18Fe-9Mo Fittings
B/SB-366 N06007 ... 90(620) 45 111 43 47Ni-22Cr-19Fe-6Mo Fittings
B/SB-366 N06022 ... 100(690) 43 111 4455Ni-21Cr-13.5Mo Fittings
B/SB-366 N06030 ... 85 (585) 45 111 45 40Ni-29Cr-15Fe-5Mo Fittings
B/SB-366 N06035 85 (585) 43 111 ... 58Ni-33Cr-8Mo Fittings
B/SB-366 N06045 ... 90(620) 46 111 45 46Ni-27Cr-23Fe-2.75Si Fittings
B/SB-366 N06059 ... 100(690) 43 111 43 59Ni-23Cr-16Mo Fittings
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Nonferrous (Cont'd)
B/SB-366 N06200 100(690) 43 111 43 59M-23Cr-16Mo-1.6Cu Fittings
B/SB-366 N06210 ... 100(690) 43 111 ... 60Ni-19Cr-19Mo-1.8Ta Fittings
B/SB-366 N06230 ... 110(760) 43 111 43 53Ni-22Cr-14W-Co-Fe-Mo Fittings
B/SB-366 N06455 ... 100(690) 43 111 43 61Ni-15Mo-16Cr Fittings
B/SB-366 N06600 80(550) 43 111 43 72Ni-15Cr-8Fe Fittings
B/SB-366 N06625 ... 110(760) 43 111 43 60Ni-22Cr-9Mo-3.5Cb Fittings
B/SB-366 N06985 90(620) 45 111 45 47Ni-22Cr-20Fe-7Mo Fittings
B/SB-366 N08020 80(550) 45 111 45 35Ni-35Fe-20Cr-Cb Fittings
B/SB-366 N08031 ... 94(650) 45 111 45 31N1-31Fe-27Cr-7Mo Fittings
B/SB-366 N08120 ... 90(620) 45 111 45 37Ni-33Fe-25Cr Fittings
B/SB-366 N08330 ... 70(485) 46 111 45 35Ni-19Cr-1.25Si Fittings
B/SB-366 N08367 95 (655) 45 111 8.2 46Fe-24Ni-21Cr-6Mo-Cu-N Fittings > 3/16 in. (5 mm)
B/SB-366 N08367 ... 100(690) 45 111 8.2 46Fe-24Ni-21Cr-6Mo-Cu-N Fittings 5 3/16 in. (5 mm)
B/SB-366 N08800 75 (515) 45 111 45 33Ni-42Fe-21Cr Fittings
B/SB-366 N08825 ... 85 (585) 45 111 45 42Ni-21.5Cr-3Mo-2.3Cu Fittings
B/SB-366 N08925 ... 87 (600) 45 111 8.2 25Ni-20Cr-6Mo-Cu-N Fittings
B/SB-366 N10001 ... 100(690) 44 112 44 62Ni-28Mo-5Fe Fittings
B/SB-366 N10003 ... 100(690) 44 112 44 70Ni-16Mo-7Cr-5Fe Fittings
B/SB-366 N10242 ... 105 (725) 44 112 44 62Ni-25Mo-8Cr-2Fe Fittings
B/SB-366 N10276 100(690) 43 111 43 54Ni-16Mo-15Cr Fittings
B/SB-366 N10629 ... 110(760) 44 112 44 66Ni-28Mo-3Fe-1.3Cr-0.25A1 Fittings
B/SB-366 N10665 ... 110(760) 44 112 44 65Ni-28Mo-2Fe Fittings
B/SB-366 N10675 ... 110(760) 44 112 44 65Ni-29.SMo-2Fe-2Cr Fittings
B/SB-366 N12160 90(620) 46 ... 46 37Ni-30Co-28Cr-2.7Si Fittings
B/SB-366 R20033 ... 109 (750) 45 111 45 33Cr-31Ni-32Fe-1.5Mo-0.6Cu-N Fittings
B/SB-366 R30556 ... 100(690) 45 111 45 21Ni-30Fe-22Cr-18Co-3Mo-3W Fittings
B/SB-366 N08926 ... 94(650) 45 111 8.2 25Ni-20Cr-6Mo-Cu-N Fittings
B/SB-367 R50400 Gr. C-2 50(345) 51 115 ..51.2. Ti Castings
B/SB-367 R50550 Gr. C-3 65 (450) 52 115 4fr; V14 Ti Castings
B/SB-369 C96200 ... 45 (310) 34 107 34 87.5Cu-10Ni-Fe-Mn Castings
B/SB-381 R50250 F-1 35 (240) 51 115 51.1 Ti Forgings
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Table QW/QB-422
Spec. No. UNS No.
Alloy, Type, or
Grade
Minimum
Specified
Tensile, ksi
(MPa)
Welding Brazing
15608
Group
ISO
Nominal Composition Product Form P-No. P-No.
Nonferrous (Cont'd)
B/SB-381 R50400 F-2 50(345) 51 115 51.1. Ti Forgings
B/SB-381 R50400 F-2H 58 (400) 51 115 s 1.1 Ti Forgings
B/S8-381 R50550 F-3 65 (450) 52 115 51.3 Ti Forgings
B/SB-381 R52400 F-7 50(345) 51 115 ft Ti-Pd Forgings
B/SB-381 R52400 F-7H 58 (400) 51 115 r1 , Ti-Pd Forgings
B/SB-381 R52402 F-16 50(345) 51 Forgings
B/SB-381 R52402 F-16H 58 (400) 51
115 \it 5 : 1 ;1. Ti-Pd
115
c:
$i.tTi-Pd Forgings
B/SB-381 R52404 F-26 50(345) 51 Forgings
B/SB-381 R52404 F-26H 58 (400) 51
115 ke.48.1. Ti-Ru
115 Mkt Ti-Ru Forgings
B/SB-381 R53400 F-12 70(485) 52 115 52Ti-0.3Mo-0.8Ni Forgings
B/SB-381 R56320 F-9 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V Forgings
B/SB-381 R56323 F-28 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3A1-2.5V-0.1Ru Forgings
B/SB-395 C10200 ... 30(205) 31 107 31 99.95Cu-P Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C12000 30(205) 31 107 31 99.9Cu-P Smis. tube
13/513-395 C12200 30(205) 31 107 31 99.9Cu-P Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C14200 ... 30(205) 31 107 31 99.4Cu-As-P Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C19200 ... 38 (260) 31 107 31 99.7Cu-Fe-P Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C23000 40(275) 32 107 32.1 85Cu-15Zn Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C44300 ... 45 (310) 32 107 32.271Cu-28Zn-15n-0.06As Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C44400 ... 45 (310) 32 107 32.271Cu-28Zn-15n-0.065b Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C44500 ... 45 (310) 32 107 32.271Cu-28Zn-15n-0.06P Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C60800 ... 50(345) 35 108 35 95Cu-SAI Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C68700 ... 50(345) 32 108 32.278Cu-2OZn-2A1 Smis. tube
B/SB-395 C71000 ... 45 (310) 34 107 3480Cu-20Ni Smis. tube
B/SB-407 N08120 ... 90(620) 45 111 45 37Ni-33Fe-25Cr in S's. pipe &tube
B/SB-407 N08800 ... 75 (515) 45 111 45 33Ni-42Fe-21Cr Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-407 N08801 65 (450) 45 111 45 32Ni-45Fe-20.5Cr-Ti Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-407 N08810 65 (450) 45 111 45 33Ni-42Fe-21Cr Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-407 N08811 ... 65 (450) 45 111 45 33N1-42Fe-21Cr-Al-Ti Smis. pipe & tube
B/SB-408 N08120 ... 90(620) 45 111 45 37Ni-33Fe-25Cr Rod & bar
B/SB-408 N08800 ... 75 (515) 45 111 45 33Ni-42Fe-21Cr Rod & bar
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Nonferrous (Cont'd)
B/SB-729 N08020 ... 80(550) 45 111 45 35Ni-35Fe-20Cr-Cb Smls. pipe & tube
B725 N02200 55 (380) 41 11041 99.ONi Welded pipe
B/SB-815 R31233 ... 120(825) 49 ... ... Co-26Cr-9Ni-5Mo-3Fe-2W Rod
B/SB-818 R31233 ... 120(825) 49 ... ... Co-26Cr-9Ni-5Mo-3Fe-2W Plate, sheet & strip
B819 C12200 C12200 30(205) ... 107 NA99.9Cu-P Wrought pipe
B/SB-861 R50250 1 35 (240) 51 115 51.1 Ti SmIs. pipe
B/SB-861 R50400 2 50(345) 51 115 51.2, Ti SmIs. pipe
B/SB-861 R50400 2H 58 (400) 51 115 staTi SmIs. pipe
B/SB-861 R50550 3 65 (450) 52 115 51,411 Smls. pipe
B/SB-861 R52400 7 50(345) 51 115 Si. Ti-Pd SmIs. pipe
B/SB-861 R52400 7H 58 (400) 51 115 2. Ti-Pd Smls. pipe
B/SB-861 R52402 16 50(345) 51 115 Fla Ti-Pd Smls. pipe
B/SB-861 R52402 16H 58 (400) 51 115 vi aTi-Pd Smls. pipe
B/SB-861 R52404 26 50(345) 51 115 51.2. Ti-Ru Smls. pipe
B/SB-861 R52404 26H 58 (400) 51 115 51.2, Ti-Ru Smls. pipe
B/SB-861 R53400 12 70(485) 52 115 52Ti-0.3Mo-0.8Ni Smls. pipe
B/SB-861 R56320 9 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3AI-2.5V Smls. pipe
B/SB-861 R56323 28 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3A1-2.5V-0.1Ru Smls. pipe
B/SB-862 R50250 1 35 (240) 51 115 51.4, Ti Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R50400 2 50(345) 51 115 51.1. Ti Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R50400 2H 58 (400) 51 115 Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R50550 3 65 (450) 52 115
ritTT:
Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R52400 7 50(345) 51 115 Z. Ti-Pd Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R52400 7H 58 (400) 51 115 SI Ti-Pd Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R52402 16 50(345) 51 115 taTi-Pd Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R52402 16H 58 (400) 51 115 ~1 ,,,tTi-Pd Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R52404 26 50(345) 51 115 51..j., Ti-Ru Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R52404 26H 58 (400) 51 115 SO, Ti-Ru Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R53400 12 70(485) 52 115 52Ti-0.3Mo-0.8Ni Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R56320 9 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3A1-2.5V Welded pipe
B/SB-862 R56323 28 90(620) 53 115 53 Ti-3A1-2.5V-0.1Ru Welded pipe
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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Table QW-254.1 and Table QW-258.1 - Strip Cladding
2. Proposal
Add new variable to QW-404 and revise Tables QW-254.1 and QW-258.1
3. Explanation *
During discussions to revise QW-409.26 to include a formula for calculating heat input when using strip filler metal
(12-1494), it was identified that an additional essential variable should be added to limit the maximum strip width
to that qualified. This would apply to both Hard-facing Overlay and Corrosion-Resistant Overlay for SAW (Table
QW-254.1) and ESW (Table QW-258.1).
Add new essential variable to QW-404 to put a maximum on strip width or electrode diameter, and Tables QW-
254.1 and QW-258.1

Newell, William
wfnewell@pobox.com
(704)664-0832

BernasekM (Approved)
Suggestion: Replace "Strip thickness/width" with "Strip
thickness or width" in QW-254.1 CRO and HFO
columns (Brief of variables).
"
Response:

NewellW: 03/17/14
Thank you for your comment. I agree. This change will
be made and a first consideration reballot due to Mr.
Cantrell's comment. Also, in looking through QW-25X
and QW-26X, there are numerous places where "/"
and "or" are used, without consistency. Subgroup
General Requirements will be requested to review
these tables and this issue.

CantrellC (Comment)
If you are going to make a new essential variable
(presumably QW-404.55) would you not also need to
change the wording of QW-404.6 (a non-essential
variable for both processes) to indicate that only a
decrease in electrode size is considered nonessential?
Response:

NewellW: 03/17/14
Thank you for your comment. The variable is needed
to accommodate variations in size that can occur as a
function of availability. We offer the following revision
to QW-404.6:

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Follow-Up Response:

CantrellC: 03/17/14
Thank you for your response. Does this mean that you
are withdrawing this ballot from consideration until the
other change is made?

CantrellC: 03/25/14
Thank you for your second response. I look forward to
the first consideration ballot to follow.

"QW-404.6 A change in the nominal size of the
electrode or electrodes specified in the WPS. For Strip
filler metals used with the SAW and ESW process for
corrosion resistant and hardfacing weld metal overlay
see QW-404.55 for essential variable limitation of
increase in strip width or thickness."

This technical change will require a first consideration
ballot.

FeldsteinJ (Disapproved)
This is purely an administrative negative to hold the
item from proceeding should the SGProc (BPV IX)
decide to adopt the changes offered by Mr. Cantrell.
Response:

NewellW: 03/21/14
Thanks, J oel.

ManolyK (Comment)
During discussions to revise QW-409.26 to include a
formula for calculating heat input when using strip filler
metal (12-1494), it was identified that an additional
essential variable should be added to limit the
maximum strip width to that qualified. This would apply
to both Hard-facing Overlay and Corrosion-Resistant
Overlay for SAW (Table QW-254.1) and ESW (Table
QW-258.1).

SturgillP (Disapproved)
I support Mr. Feldstein's administrative negative.

SwezyJ (Abstain)
Abstain due to pending revisions.
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13-2043; Draft 02; 10 Feb 14

Background
During discussions to revise QW-409.26 to include a formula for calculating heat input when
using strip filler metal (12-1494), it was identified that an additional essential variable should be
added to limit the maximum strip width to that qualified. This would apply to both Hard-facing
Overlay and Corrosion-Resistant Overlay for SAW (Table QW-254.1) and ESW (Table QW-258.1).

Proposal

Add a new variable to QW-404:
QW-404.XX An increase in the nominal thickness or width of the electrode.

Revise Tables QW-254.1 & QW-258.1 (see attached)

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Record Information
13-2128 BPV IX Stds Comm Approved Intent Interp & Prop Rev
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QG-106 - Full Supervision & Control During Qualification
2. Proposal
1. Approve the intent interpretation as shown in the Proposal File.

2. Revise QG-106.1(a) and QG-106.2(a) to clarify that welders who produce test joints for performance and
procedure qualification shall be under the full supervision and control of the organization during the production of
the test joints.
3. Explanation *
During the development of Part QG, verbiage addressing the responsibility of organizations who qualify personnel
and procedures was modified and an important declaration was lost in the process. In the 2011 edition, paragraph
QW-201 stated "The welders or welding operators used to produce weldments to be tested for qualification of
procedures shall be under the full supervision and control of the manufacturer or contractor during the production
of these test weldments." Paragraph QW-300.2(b) had a nearly identical statement regarding the production of
weldments to be tested for the qualification of personnel.

In the 2013 edition, QG-106.1(a) states "Each organization is responsible for the supervision and control of
persons using material joining processes for the production of test joints for procedure qualification." QG-106.2(a)
makes an identical statement regarding performance qualification. Furthermore, QG-106.1(b) states "Production
of qualification test joints under the supervision and control of another organization is not permitted." QG-106.2(b)
makes an identical statement regarding performance qualification.

So, the requirement that the organization shall exercise full supervision and control during performance/procedure
qualification is implied by the new words in Part QG, but not explicitly stated. This could be unfortunately
interpreted as a change in philosophy by Section IX. For many years, Section IX has explicitly required
organizations to "have full supervision and control" of the welders during the qualification of welders and
procedures to ensure that the organization had a sufficient knowledge of welding technology and code
requirements to make sure that personnel follow competently written WPSs during qualification and production.
As a result, the new words in Part QG are not sufficient to ensure the level of control and responsibility needed by
the organization for compliance with Section IX.
Revise QG-106.1(a) and QG-106.2(a) as shown in the proposal file.

Sturgill, Paul
lynnsturgill@gmail.com
1(303)435-4338
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CanonicoD (Comment)
Does this change preclude the use of CommomArc?
And if not, can the words be misinteerpreted?
Follow-Up Response:

CanonicoD: 04/01/14
Thank you for your response; I withdraw my comment

Response:

SturgillP: 03/24/14
This change does not preclude the use of Common
Arc. It merely reinstates verbiage present in Section IX
for many years prior to the text reorganization to
create Part QG for the 2013 edition. Care was taken to
use verbiage as identical as possible to that previously
used in order to reassure users that no change was
being made in Code intent or philosophy. I do not
believe that the words can be misinterpreted.

CantrellC (Comment)
I support this change.
Follow-Up Response:

CantrellC: 03/25/14
You are welcome.

Response:

SturgillP: 03/24/14
Thank you for your support of this change.

FosterG (Comment)
under question 2 add "using the procedure" after "organization" to complete the sentance

ManolyK (Comment)
During the development of Part QG, verbiage addressing the responsibility of organizations who qualify
personnel and procedures was modified and an important declaration was lost in the process. In the 2011
edition, paragraph QW-201 stated "The welders or welding operators used to produce weldments to be tested
for qualification of procedures shall be under the full supervision and control of the manufacturer or contractor
during the production of these test weldments." Paragraph QW-300.2(b) had a nearly identical statement
regarding the production of weldments to be tested for the qualification of personnel.

In the 2013 edition, QG-106.1(a) states "Each organization is responsible for the supervision and control of
persons using material joining processes for the production of test joints for procedure qualification." QG-
106.2(a) makes an identical statement regarding performance qualification. Furthermore, QG-106.1(b) states
"Production of qualification test joints under the supervision and control of another organization is not
permitted." QG-106.2(b) makes an identical statement regarding performance qualification.

So, the requirement that the organization shall exercise full supervision and control during
performance/procedure qualification is implied by the new words in Part QG, but not explicitly stated. This
could be unfortunately interpreted as a change in philosophy by Section IX. For many years, Section IX has
explicitly required organizations to "have full supervision and control" of the welders during the qualification of
welders and procedures to ensure that the organization had a sufficient knowledge of welding technology and
code requirements to make sure that personnel follow competently written WPSs during qualification and
production. As a result, the new words in Part QG are not sufficient to ensure the level of control and
responsibility needed by the organization for compliance with Section IX.

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SwezyJ (Approved)
I have come to understand the need for this action as a result of the discussions at the Committee meeting.
However, I would like to suggest modifying the proposal by adding the word "qualifying" in front of the word
"organization" in both of the proposed text revisions, and also in the Questions in the proposed Interpretation.
If this revision is acceptable it would also be advised to delete the phrase "using the procedures" from the first
Question.

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COMMITTEE CORRESPONDENCE

Committee: ASME BPVC, Section IX
Subgroups Qualification & General
Requirements
Subject: 13-2128
Task Group: Sturgill
Date: 11/26/2013
Please Reply To:
Paul L. Sturgill
Sturgill Welding & Code Consulting
5712 Southridge Greens Boulevard
Fort Collins, Colorado 80525
Office: 303-435-4338

Subject: QG-106.1(a)

Question #1: Is it the intent of QG-106.1(a) that personnel who produce test joints for procedure
qualification shall produce those joints under the full supervision and control of the organization using the
procedures?

Reply #1: Yes

Subject: QG-106.2(a)

Question #2: Is it the intent of QG-106.2(a) that personnel who produce test joints for performance
qualification shall produce those joints under the full supervision and control of the organization?

Reply #2: Yes

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The personnel who produce test joints for
procedure qualification shall be under the full
supervision and control of the organization
during the production of these test joints.
The personnel who produce test joints for
performance qualification shall be tested under
the full supervision and control of the
organization.
REPLACE
REPLACE
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Item 13-2128
FOR INFORMATION ONLY: Explanation as listed on C & S Connect

During the development of Part QG, verbiage addressing the responsibility of organizations who
qualify personnel and procedures was modified and an important declaration was lost in the
process. In the 2011 edition, paragraph QW-201 stated "The welders or welding operators used
to produce weldments to be tested for qualification of procedures shall be under the full
supervision and control of the manufacturer or contractor during the production of these test
weldments." Paragraph QW-300.2(b) had a nearly identical statement regarding the production
of weldments to be tested for the qualification of personnel.

In the 2013 edition, QG-106.1(a) states "Each organization is responsible for the supervision and
control of persons using material joining processes for the production of test joints for procedure
qualification." QG-106.2(a) makes an identical statement regarding performance qualification.
Furthermore, QG-106.1(b) states "Production of qualification test joints under the supervision
and control of another organization is not permitted." QG-106.2(b) makes an identical statement
regarding performance qualification.

So, the requirement that the organization shall exercise full supervision and control during
performance/procedure qualification is implied by the new words in Part QG, but not explicitly
stated. This could be unfortunately interpreted as a change in philosophy by Section IX. For
many years, Section IX has explicitly required organizations to "have full supervision and
control" of the welders during the qualification of welders and procedures to ensure that the
organization had a sufficient knowledge of welding technology and code requirements to make
sure that personnel follow competently written WPSs during qualification and production. As a
result, the new words in Part QG are not sufficient to ensure the level of control and
responsibility needed by the organization for compliance with Section IX.
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Revision of QG-106.2
2. Proposal
Revise QG-106.2 as shown in the attached proposal file
3. Explanation *
During the development of Part QG, important verbiage from QW-300.2(a) was omitted. QW-300.2(a) had stated
that the purpose for requiring organizations to exercise supervision and control of welding personnel during
qualification was to "ensure that the manufacturer or contractor has determined that his welders and welding
operators using his procedures are capable of developing the minimum requirements specified for an acceptable
weldment." In the 2013 edition, QG-106.2 states the requirement for the organization to exercise supervision and
control of personnel during the joining of test joints for qualification, but it does not give the reason for this
requirement. This revision adds the reason for the requirement to QG-106.2
Revise QG-106.2 to reinstate verbiage similar to that previously present in QW-300.2(a) as explained above.

Sturgill, Paul
1(303)435-4338
CantrellC (Comment)
Doesn't the word "qualify" mean that the organization
has ensured all of this stuff? Furthermore, the
organization is actually required to certify each
qualification record, indicating that they and the person
joining material have complied with the Code, so I am
not sure why we need to have explanatory material
contained here. I prefer to see QG-106.2 remain as
written in the 2013 Edition.
Follow-Up Response:

CantrellC: 03/25/14
Thanks for reminding me about the original Code
words omitted. Comment is resolved.

Response:

SturgillP: 03/24/14
Thank you for your observation and comment. Please
see my response to Mr. Tanzosh.

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ManolyK (Comment)
During the development of Part QG, important
verbiage from QW-300.2(a) was omitted. QW-300.2(a)
had stated that the purpose for requiring organizations
to exercise supervision and control of welding
personnel during qualification was to "ensure that the
manufacturer or contractor has determined that his
welders and welding operators using his procedures
are capable of developing the minimum requirements
specified for an acceptable weldment." In the 2013
edition, QG-106.2 states the requirement for the
organization to exercise supervision and control of
personnel during the joining of test joints for
qualification, but it does not give the reason for this
requirement. This revision adds the reason for the
requirement to QG-106.2.

MortonD (Comment)
On the C&S Connect Record, B4, the "Summary of
Changes" does not match the current proposal. B4
should not be a word for word repetition but a brief
summary. I believe this can be changed during
balloting.
Response:

SturgillP: 03/24/14
Thank you. I will make the appropriate change.

PeetzD (Approved)
comment only--I understand the term "ensures" has
been used before but it is a challenge for me to accept
the implication that compliance with this paragraph
requirements will provide absolute assureance that
welders are capable. I would propose the use of
"provides better assurance" rather than "ensures" but
that sounds pretty weak.
Response:

SturgillP: 03/03/14
I do not believe that we are proposing "absolute
assurance" of anything here. The word "ensure" was
the term previously used in QW-300.2(a) in the 2011
and earlier editions. We are not trying to provide
absolute assurance that the welders are capable; we
are trying to ensure that the manufacturer has
determined that the welders are capable. The focus of
this sentence is to make sure that the manufacturer
cannot divorce himself from the competence of those
who weld on his behalf. So, this paragraph states that
the manufacturer has absolute responsibility for the
competence of his welders, not that the welders are
absolutely competent.

RamirezG (Comment)
Following sentence read odd to me: "...personnel
using its procedures are capable of the minimum
requirements specified for an acceptable joint." If the
requirements are for the later then, think it should say
that the personnel can produce the results that meet
the requirements, maybe something like: "...capable of
meeting the minimum..."
Follow-Up Response:
Response:

SturgillP: 03/03/14
I think you are missing the word, "achieving," which is
placed between "of" and "the" before minimum
requirements.

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RamirezG: 03/13/14
No, I did not miss it. But it is not something to make it
a negative vote, it was a comment.

SwezyJ (Approved)
I have come to understand the need for this action as
a result of the discussions at the Committee meeting.
However, I would like to suggest modifying the
proposal by adding the word "qualifying" in front of the
word "organization" in the proposed text revision.

TanzoshJ (Comment)
Change seems unecessary. Existing new words are
adequate other than using the word "full", which is
undefined anyway.
Response:

SturgillP: 03/24/14
The purpose of this action is to reintroduce verbiage
present for many years in Section IX to make it clear
that the organization cannot divorce itself from being
responsible for the competence of those it employs to
make welds for Code construction. Although the new
words are adequate, they lack the specific link and
accountability that makes Section IX different from
other consensus standards.

YoungRo (Disapproved)
The purpose is adequately specified in QG-103. This
statement seems to be an unnecessary addition.
Response:

SturgillP: 03/24/14
Please see my response to Mr. Tanzosh.

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The purpose of this requirement is to ensure that
the organization has determined that the
personnel using its procedures are capable of
developing the minimum requirements specified
for an acceptable joint.
INSERT
13-2287
This
ensures
achieving
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QF-143.2.4.2 and QF-463 (d) - Side Bend Test
2. Proposal
lmprove side bend test requirements and figure to align with the requirements to be published by ASTM.
3. Explanation *
The side bend test for plastic fusing is a new test to allow bending of test specimens from thick wall pipe. The
bend test figure in PART QF needs some improvements in tolerancing and also needs to be reviewed against the
proposed ASTM publication.
Revised QF-143.2.4.2 and QF-463(d)

Sturgill, Paul
1(303)435-4338

ApplebyR (Comment)
If we are to include a test based upon an unpublished
ASTM standard, shouldn't we either a) understand the
basis for the test requirement before we incorporate it,
or b) assume that it the ASTM standard is correct and
wait for it to be published, but then eliminate any test
details and defer entirely to the ASTM standard? If
option (a) I suggest some justification of the proposed
test basis (e.g. comparison of strain criteria and why
the higher bend angle is acceptable) be provided to
support the proposed approach.

BorterW (Comment)
I do not like the aspect about having to remove the
coupon before inspection. Is there a technical resaon?
If not then it is just audit bait.

CanonicoD (Comment) Response:

SturgillP: 03/25/14
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QF?143.2.4.2 Bend Procedure.- What if failure does
no0t occur?
Follow-Up Response:

CanonicoD: 04/01/14
Thank you for your response.. I withdraw my
comment.

The acceptance criteria is given in paragraph QF-
143.3, which states, "The test specimen shall not
break or exhibit cracking or fractures on the convex
(outer) surface at the fusion interface during this test."
If the specimen does not fail AND there are no
fractures on the convex surface at the fusion interface,
the test is acceptable.

EberhardtA (Comment)
I agree with the comment that text boxes should not
cover over the existing text. The existing text needs to
be clearly shown so that the changes can be fully
understood.

FlennerP (Disapproved)
I read the explanation for the 90-120 bend and, like
Mr. Tanzosh, I am unconvinced. The bend
requirement should be a minimum.

ManolyK (Comment)
This motion was to move this forward on C&S connect
to get comments concerning the bend test figure.
During the Task Group meeting there was significant
discussion as to why test angle was changed from 60
degrees +/- 10 degrees to 90-120 degrees. I believe
the test angle should remain at 60 degrees since once
the specimen is removed from the fixture there will be
spring back and I am not sure that the new angles will
be sufficient to show the fusing process was
successful.

MortonD (Comment)
Why have the test limits been reduced? An angle of 60
degrees is much more severe than 90 - 120 degrees.

O'SullivanJ (Comment)
Recommend the new added sentence to QF-143.2.4.2
be revised in part to read: "...should be conducted
soon after
the specimen has been removed from the fixture."
HDPE material has a tendency to return to its original
shape after removal of loading.
Response:

SturgillP: 03/14/14
We discussed this during the SG PF meeting in San
Diego, specifically with regard to establishing a limit on
how long one could wait after testing to do the visual
inspection. I was under the impression that the
consensus of the SG was that it would not be possible
to establish a specific time limit without being so vague
that it would create unintended opportunities for the
"super inspector" to reject the test results where visual
inspection is not performed "soon" enough.
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PischkeM (Abstain)
This requires further discussion.

RanaM (Comment)
Why the bend angle is specified as 90 - 120 degrees...
why not one value?
Follow-Up Response:

RanaM: 03/28/14
Thank you for your comment. I have no further issue
on this subject.

Response:

SturgillP: 03/25/14
This range was taken from the as-yet unpublished
ASTM specification which addresses bend testing of
fused HDPE pipe. I do not know the justification for the
range.

SimsM (Disapproved)
The word "should" needs to be "shall" in the sentence
"Visual inspection of the convex surface of the
specimen should be conducted after the specimen has
been removed from the fixture."

What is the basis for the specified bend angle?

StankoM (Approved)
Shouldn't "of" in the double strikeout remain?

StevensG (Comment)
During the Task Group meeting there was significant
discussion as to why test angle was changed from 60
degrees +/- 10 degrees to 90-120 degrees. NRC
believes the test angle should remain at 60 degrees
because, once the specimen is removed from the
fixture, there will be spring-back and we are not
convinced that the proposed angles will be sufficient to
demonstrate the fusing process was successful.

TanzoshJ (Comment)
120 degrees between the inner surfaces of a test
shouldn't qualify as a "bend" best. You should change
it to a "bump" test. What is the technical basis for the
change? J ust because ASTM allows it? Section IX has
addressed materials with lower ductility by allowing a
larger bend radius. There is a history of success with
the existing bend test definition. How many weld
procedures have been modified and improved
Response:

SturgillP: 03/25/14
Bend testing of HDPE is a different animal than bend
testing of metals. The purpose of this test is really a
go-no go test. When the plastic fusing process
produces a faulty joint, these specimens fracture easily
during bending, even at small bend angles. During our
development of Part QF, we have used the existing
structure of Parts QW and QB, but, where necessary,
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because a bend test failed? No justification amounts to
no confidence is the acceptability of this change.
Follow-Up Response:

TanzoshJ: 04/04/14
I withdraw my negative on the strength of your
response. I accept that the industry standard for this
product is different in scale and purpose than for
metals.

we have changed the technical details to reflect the
different behavior of HDPE material - using industry
standard specifications, such as the ASTM
specification from which this requirement comes. This
is one of those areas.

TatarF (Comment)
I have a number of issues with this proposal.

You indicate, lmprove side bend test requirements
and figure to align with the requirements to be
published by ASTM. What requirements are those?
Whats the ASTM No.?

You state, Visual inspection of the convex surface of
the specimen should be conducted after the specimen
has been removed from the fixture. So, I shouldnt put
a mirror under the specimen while it is still in the fixture
because I might see a crack? Havent you already
significantly reduced the likelihood that a crack will
form by increasing the bending arc from 50-70 deg to
90-120 deg? Moreover, wont the old 1/2 in specimen
be more likely to crack than the new 1/4 in. specimen?

If you change the old 6.0 in. (implying two significant
figures) to 6 in., shouldnt 8.5 in. be 8-1/2 in.?

You have changed 0.75 in. to 3/4 in., but have deleted
the OD symbol. Why? Also, tolerances dont matter
here?

Finally, is the three significant figure precision implied
by 3.06 in. real, or would 3 in. be sufficient? Again, no
tolerances for the support mandrels?
Follow-Up Response:

TatarF: 03/27/14
If you prepare a revised proposal, do not use text
boxes to cover over the existing text. The location of
the text box is the likely reason that the unintended
deletion of the OD symbol occurred. The existing text
needs to be clearly shown so that the changes are
obvious.

Response:

SturgillP: 03/25/14
(1) The ASTM No. for bend testing fused HDPE joints
has not yet been published so it does not yet have a
number for public reference. Once it is published, I will
upload it as support documentation for this action.
(2) Relative to visual inspection, the proposal uses the
word "should" meaning it is not mandatory, just a
recommendation. Nothing prevents one from viewing
the convex surface while the specimen is under load -
although I believe that to be somewhat of a safety
issue. More importantly, this test is really more of a
break test than a bend test. Bend testing of HDPE
material is a different animal than bend testing of
metals. When fusing of HDPE pipe results in a faulty
joint, these side bend specimens will break easily,
even under relatively small bend angles. As a result,
hiding cracks or preventing the viewing of cracks really
is not the issue here. The reduced width of the
specimen is, again, based on requirements being put
forth in the above-referenced ASTM specification by
HDPE experts.
(3) Relative to the half specimen length of 6.0 inches,
all of the length dimensions in Figure QF-463 (c) have
two significant figures (6.0, 8.5, 12.0, and 17.0). I do
not see the inconsistency.
(4) The diameter of the rolls is still shown in my file as
0.75 inch, using the diameter symbol. As for
tolerances, this is a nominal value, no different that the
roller radius of 3/4 inch in Figure QW-466.2. Section IX
addresses the use of "nominal dimensions" in the front
matter and, in these cases, tolerances do not apply.
(5) As for the 3.06 in. +/- 0.010 inch for the center-to-
center seperation of the rollers, this is the dimension
used in the ASTM specification.

SturgillP: 03/25/14
(3) My response in (3) above is incorrect. You are
correct in that the 8.5 inch dimension should, instead,
be 8 1/2 inches.
(4) My response in (4) above is partially incorrect. The
diameter symbol has indeed been inadvertently
deleted and will be reinserted. Relative to tolerances,
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the Foreword to Section IX used to address the use of
"nominal" dimensions, which applies here. However,
that has been removed from the Foreword and we
probably need to open an additional item to reinsert it.

WardM (Comment)
Monte Ward votes yes on this ballot as it is an update of req'ts.
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13-467 Revision of QF-143.2.4.2 Original 2-9-14
Current:2013edition
Proposedchange:
QF143.2.4.2BendProcedure.Position
thesidebendtestspecimenwiththebutt
fusionjointinthecenterofthejig
betweenthesupportmandrels.Position
theraminthecenterofthefusionbeadon
thetestspecimen.Movetheramslowly
untilitmakescontactwiththetest
specimenandispositionedinlinewiththe
fusionbead.Begintoapplythebending
forceanddeflectthesidebendtest
specimen.Thetestiscompletewhenthe
testspecimenisbenttoanangleof60deg
+/10degbetweentheinsidesurfacesof
thespecimenoruntilfailureoccurs.See
FigureQF463(d).
QF143.2.4.2BendProcedure.Positionthe
sidebendtestspecimenwiththebutt
fusionjointinthecenterofthejigbetween
thesupportmandrels.Positiontheramin
thecenterofthefusionbeadonthetest
specimen.Movetheramslowlyuntilit
makescontactwiththetestspecimenandis
positionedinlinewiththefusionbead.
Begintoapplythebendingforceanddeflect
thesidebendtestspecimen.Thetestis
completewhenthetestspecimenisbentto
anangleof60deg+/10deg90120deg
betweentheinsidesurfacesofthespecimen
oruntilfailureoccurs.SeeFigureQF463(d).
Visualinspectionoftheconvexsurfaceof
thespecimenshouldbeconductedafter
thespecimenhasbeenremovedfromthe
fixture.
NotetoEditors:Additionsareinboldredwithunderline.Deletionsareshownbydoublelinestrikeouts.
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90 - 120 deg
R=0.50 in. +/- 0.02 in.
(12.7 mm +/- 0.5 mm)
3.06 in. +/- 0.01 in.
77.7 mm +/- 0.25 mm
t=0.25 in. +/- 0.02 in.
6.4 mm +/- 0.5 mm
t=0.25 in. +/- 0.02 in.
(6.4 mm +/- 0.5 mm)
3/4 in. (19 mm)
6 in. to 8.5 in.
12 to 17 in.
Record Information
14-493 BPV IX Stds Comm Proposal Errata
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Errata (5/13/14 meeting)
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
This item introduces, and accepts errata for Section IX. The procedure will help centralize the changes needed to
be processed by the ASME Staff.
None
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Record Information
12-1784 BPV IX Stds Comm Proposal Interpretations
Record Description
1.Subject *
Standard Designation * Edition/Addenda * Paragraph/Fig./Table No. *
SC IX 2013 QW-200.4(a)and QW-200.4(b
Subject Description *
SC IX; QW-200.4(a)and QW-200.4(b)

2. Proposed Question(s) and Reply(ies) *
TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Harbison, Lance
harbisls@westinghouse.com
1(412)374-2648

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Code: ASME IX

Edition: 2010

Subject: QW-200.4(a) and QW-200.4(b)

Date issued: October 11, 2012

Background (1): One PQR on 8mm material thickness with combination of processes GTAW
for root, 4mm weld metal deposit thickness, and SMAW for all other pass remaining, 6mm
weld metal deposit thickness.

Question (1): May a WPS support this PQR for welding with GTAW process only all passes
provided that QW-200.4(a)(1) and QW-200.4(a)(2) are applied?

Question (2): Does QW-200.4(b) apply only when combined a minimum of two PQRs
together?

Question (3): Does QW-200.4(b) requirements apply when a PQR with combination of two
welding processes uses the both processes separately?

Question (4): Do QW-200.4(a) and QW-200.4(b) may be interpreted separately?

Question (5): Does the 13mm ( in.) thick provide in QW-200.4(b) is applied on the weld metal
deposit thickness of a process recording?

Background (2): PQR A on 8mm material thickness with combination of processes GTAW and
SMAW, and PQR B on 15mm material thickness with SMAW process.

Question (6): Does a WPS support PQRs A and B may be written for base material thickness
range of 1.5mm to 30mm when no impact test is required?

Question (7): Does a WPS support PQRs A and B may be written for base material thickness
range of 8mm to 30mm when impact test is required?

Inquirer:

Name: Olivier Cellier

Address: Aveon Offshore Limited

Telephone number: +234 (0) 816 233 95 27

Fax number: Not available

Email Address: ocellier@aveonoffshore.com & oliviercellier@yahoo.fr

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Record Information
Record Description
1.Subject *
Standard Designation *
Edition/Addenda
*
Paragraph/Fig./Table
No. *
Section IX 2013 QW-304, QW-305, QW-
423.2
Section IX; Volumetric Examination of Welder or Welding
Operator Performance Qualification Tests for Unassigned
Base Metals

Question: A welder performance qualification is performed using two coupons of the same unassigned base metal
with the manual GTAW process. The unassigned base metal is a similar composition (same UNS number) as a P-
No. 61 base metal. May the completed test coupon be examined by a volumetric NDE method?

Reply: No.
3. Explanation *
QW-304/QW-305 is silent on the requirements regarding the use of volumetric NDE when unassigned base
metals are used for welder qualification, as permitted by QW-423.2. QW-423.2 states that unassigned base
metals may be considered as having the same P?-Number as an assigned metal provided it meets the
mechanical and chemical requirements of the assigned metal. The use of unassigned base metals under QW-
423.2 does not permit them to be examined by volumetric NDE methods when volumetric NDE is not permitted for
the corresponding P-Number base metals in QW-304/QW-305.

Sims, Martin
mbsims@southernco.com
(205)992-7473
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13-598 2/10/2014

Background (not part of the action)

Proposed Inquiry and Response

Subject: Section IX, QW-304, QW-423.2 Volumetric Examination of Welder or Welding
Operator Performance Qualification Tests for Unassigned Base Metals

Question: A welder performance qualification is performed using two coupons of the
same unassigned base metal with the manual GTAW process. The unassigned base
metal is a similar composition (same UNS number) as a P-No. 61 base metal. May the
completed test coupon be examined by a volumetric NDE method?

Reply 1: No.

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Record Information
Record Description
1.Subject *
Welding, Brazing, & Fusing Qualifications 2013 QW-301.2
SC IX; QW-301.2

May an organization prepare an ASME Section IX performance qualification record
based on a previous welder qualification that was performed to a different code
meeting all requirements of Section IX, including the requirements for
supervision and control.

Yes.
3. Explanation *
This inquiry deals with performance qualifications using multiple Codes. This has been bounced about to try to
find the right words. The proposal shown was developed by Mr. Sperko.

Flenner, Philip
flnr@aol.com
(269)353-1166

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1
Steven J. Rossi
From: TAMAL.DUTTA@tbwes.com on behalf of
TAMAL_DUTTA/QAC/TBWES/PIMPRI/Thermax%
THERMAXGROUP@THERMAXINDIA.COM
Sent: Friday, July 05, 2013 6:56 AM
To: Steven J. Rossi
Subject: Code interpretation ASME Section IX
Follow Up Flag: Follow up
Flag Status: Flagged
Dear Sir/ Madam,

We seek code interpretation for the following:

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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
a. Purpose:
Code Interpretation of ASME Section IX QW 300.2
b. Background:
ASME Section IX, QW 300.2, specifies that manufacturer shall be responsible for conducting tests to qualify the
performance of welders in accordance to a qualified Welding Procedure Specification.
c. Inquiry:
Is it permissible to use past qualification and continuity data of a welder qualified to a different code but essentially
matching all requirements of ASME Section IX, be qualified to ASME Section IX, with out conducting any further test?
d. Proposed Reply:
Yes
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-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

With warm regards.

Tamal Dutta
Quality Assurance and Control
Thermax Babcock & Wilcox Energy Solutions Pvt. Ltd.
PMT Complex,
Pimpri, Pune 411018
India
Office +91 20 6733 7781
Cell +91 9823288712
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Record Information
Record Description
1.Subject *
BPV Section IX 2013 QW-322.1
SC IX; QW-322.1 - Maintaining Qualification

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD


VanFosson, Phillip
plvanfosson@sssnet.com
(330)833-5622

Page 82

Confidential and Proprietary
Alstom Power Inc. 2008 We reserve all rights in this document and in the information contained therein.
Reproduction, use or disclosure to third parties without express authority is strictly prohibited.

Steven J. Rossi
Secretary, BPV Committee Section IX
ASME
MS: 6-2B
2 Park Ave
New York, NY 10016-5902

Dear Mr. Rossi,

Please direct this request for interpretation of Code requirement to the appropriate Committee.

Purpose
Code Interpretation
Section IX, paragraph QW-322.1
Maintaining Qualification

Background
A welder/welding operator is required to weld with a process within a six month period in order to maintain qualification
to use that process. A welder/welding operator takes a performance qualification test using a process for which the
welder is already qualified (e.g., SMAW) but with different essential variables (e.g., different F number, progression,
etc.). During performance of the test the organization responsible for supervising and controlling the test visually
examines the coupon at various stages of completion and determines that the weld meets the visual acceptance criteria
of QW-194. Subsequent to the visual examination the test specimen(s) fail the applied examination or test requirements
(e.g., volumetric NDE or mechanical testing).

Question
May a performance qualification test that meets the requirements of QW-194 but fails subsequent volumetric NDE or
mechanical testing be considered evidence of a welders or welding operators use of a process to satisfy the
requirements of QW-322.1(a)?

POWER SERVICE

Andrew Michalov
Welding Engineer
APComPower Inc.
200 Great Pond Drive
Windsor, CT 06095
www.apcompower.com

Page 83

Reply
Yes

Explanation
The welder/ welding operator has satisfied the requirement of welding with a process during a six month period
regardless of the outcome of the new performance qualification test.

Regards,

Andrew Michalov

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Record Information
Record Description
1.Subject *
Edition/Addenda
*
Paragraph/Fig./Table No.
*
BPV Section IX 2010 and 2013 Table QW-451.1
SC IX; Table QW-451.1 - Base metal thickness
qualification

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Bowers, Donald
don.bowers@weirgroup.com
(978)825-2561

Inquirer Information
1. First Name 2. Last Name
J ames Ellis
3. Company/Organization 4. Address 1
American Bureau of Shipping 15311 Vantage Parkway West
5. Address 2 6. Address 3
Suite 305 None
7. Country 8. State/Province/Region/County
United States Texas
9. Town/City 10. Zip/Postal Code
Houston 77032
Inquirer Contact Information

11. Phone 12. Fax
713 806-5866 281 877-6338
13. Email
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jellis@eagle.org
14. Background Info:
American Bureau of Shipping is a ship classification society. We enforce ASME Section IX as a recognized
welding Code for our certification activities that involve welding. One of our vendors weld heavy wall, high
pressure components and has qualified their welding procedures in the following manner, using 1.5 inch thick
plate material to maximize the Base Metal thickness qualified (8). CVN properties are applicable.

The configuration of the test plate weld joint is a single Vee groove, with or without backing. The welding process
is generally GTAW root with FCAW and/or SAW fill. While the test coupon is 1.5 inches thick, the actual
deposited weld metal thickness (from one or all processes) is just over inches. The mechanical testing of the
coupon only encompasses the base and weld metal within the actual deposited weld metal thickness. We note
that the Coupon thickness column in Table QW451.1 states Thickness T of Test Coupon Welded, in (mm)

The vendor is claiming a maximum base metal thickness qualification of 8 inches, as a result of this test.

15. Original Inquiry(ies):
Question 1:
Can a WPS be qualified for 8 inch maximum base metal, per Table QW-451.1 using a groove test coupon that is
at least 1.5 inches thick, if the total deposited weld metal is less than that of the base metal, if using the 2010
Edition of Section IX?

Question 2:
In order to claim credit for base metal thickness qualification, using a material thickness per Table QW-451.1, is it
required that the weld joint of the test coupon be completely filled with deposited filler metal, if using the 2010
Edition of Section IX?

Question 3:
Does note (6) in Table QW-451.1, 2013 Edition allow the partial welding of a test coupon, requiring CVN
properties and credit Base metal qualification using the thickness of the un-welded portion of the coupon under 6
in (150 mm) thick?

16. Proposed Reply(ies):
Question 1 Proposed Answer: No

Question 2 Proposed Answer: Yes

Question 3 Proposed Answer: No
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Record Information
Record Description
1.Subject *
BPV Section IX ASME SEC IX EDITION
2013
QW-452. - Performance qualification
Thickness Lim
SC IX; QW-452 - WPQ -RANGE FOR
QUALIFICATION

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD


Bowers, Donald
(978)825-2561
VISHWAS KESKAR
THERMAX LIMITED D 13 M I DC
R D AGA ROAD CHNICHWAD -
India None
CHINCHWAD - PUNE 4110019

11. Phone 12. Fax
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020-66122388 020-27474218
13. Email
vishwas.keskar@thermaxindia.com
Back ground :
A welder Is qualified on 219 OD x 23.01mm. wall pipe in the 1G position - Groove weld with GTAW +SMAW
process with GTAW - 4mm weld deposit and rest by SMAW .
Same welder is also qualified on 63.5O.D x 6.35 mm thk wall pipe in the 6G position-Groove weld with GTAW +
SMAW process with GTAW - 2mm weld deposit and rest by SMAW .

A)Question: Is the welder qualified to weld :
Production welds ' Position - All - Process - SMAW with Maximum to be welded for pipe dia >25 mm ?
Production welds ' Position - All - Process - GTAW with 8mm weld deposit for pipe dia >25 mm ?

Reply: Yes.

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Record Information
Record Description
1.Subject *
Edition/Addenda
*
*
BPV Section IX 2010 QW-300.2
SC IX; QW-300.2 - Welder Performance
Qualifications

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Rice, Michael
mrice@nooter.com
(314)421-7474

Tony Hutton
Thiess Pty Ltd Woleebee Creek
None None
Australia None
Wandoan None

11. Phone 12. Fax
None None
13. Email
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thutton@thiess.com.au
None
None
None
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Record Information
Record Description
1.Subject *
Edition/Addenda
*
*
BPV Section IX 2013 QW 403.5
SC IX; QW-403.5 - Supplemental requirements for
Group number

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Rice, Michael
mrice@nooter.com
(314)421-7474

Sittichai Boonluakaew
VISAVAKIT PATANA CORP., LTD. 42,52 Moo 7, Koo-Bang-Luang, Ladlumkaew, Pathumtani 12140
None None
Thailand None
Pathumtani 12140

11. Phone 12. Fax
02 9794001 9 Ext. 110 None
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13. Email
bo.sittichai@vipco-thai.com
because my client say when Impact Test (suppl. requirements) is required, the QW-403-5 is applicable and the
different materials must be of the same PN and Grade so we can't accept your proposal

in production material is SA335 Type P11 Welded SA106 Gr.B

If i have PQR PNo. 4 (Group1) Welded PNo. 4 (Group1) (with impact test)

My WPS can weld Pno. 4 with Pno. 1 (Group1) or not ?

or have to requalified PQR ?

None
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1.Subject *
BPV Section IX 2013 QW-193
SC IX; QW-193 - Tube-to-tubesheet mockup test

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Bowers, Donald
(978)825-2561

Reza Milan
FSK FARS-SHIRAZ INDUSTRIAL ZONE
None None
Iran(Islamic Republic Of) None
SHIRAZ None

11. Phone 12. Fax
None None
13. Email
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milan@fatehsanat.com
None
I have a question about interpretation of ASME BPVC SEC.IX QW-193(tube to tubesheet welding) -Rev.2013.
in QW-193-1 has been written than for moke up test tubesheet thickness shall not less than 50 mm ,now i haven't
50mm plate or bigger.

can i use tow 25mm plate(screw them together) for our purpose? .if it isn't applicable please explain about
selection this limitation thickness and effective of this limitation on tube to tubesheet welding.

None
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1.Subject *
Edition/Addenda
*
Paragraph/Fig./Table
No. *
BPV Section IX 2013 QW-420
Interpretation: SC IX; QW-420, QW/QB-422, P-
Numbers (SA-336 F304H)

PROPOSED INTERPRETATION

Background: SA-336 F304H forging is being welded in conjunction with the current edition of ASME Section IX.
Prior to the 2007 Edition, Table QW/QB-422 listed SA-336 F304H UNS S30409 with P-No. 8 Group-No. 1. SA-336
F304H UNS S30409 was replaced by SA-965 F304H UNS S30409 in the 2007 Edition of Section IX in order to
reflect the Section II, Part A material specification changes.

Question: Is SA-336 F304H UNS S30409 considered P-No. 8 Group-No. 1?

Reply: Yes.
3. Explanation *
Proposed interpretation answers inquirer's question regarding use of material specification and grade that at one
time was, but no longer is, listed in Table QW/QB-422.

Once a material is assigned a P-number, the material will always remain assigned to that P-number grouping,
unless it is re-assigned to a different P-number. Removal of a material specification grade from table QW/QB-422
does not mean that the material is no longer weldable within it's originally assigned weldability grouping.

In this particular case, the F304H UNS S30409 material grade was simply moved from one material specification
to another.

Bernasek, Michal
mbernasek@cspec.com
(925)943-1120

2. Project Manager Notes
Curiously, there is an existing published interpretation IX-95-05 on UNS applicability topic, with a reply that has
not been valid three months after QW-420 revision in December of 1994.

Interpretation: IX-95-05
Subject: Section IX, QW-422, P-Numbers
Dale Issued: September 21, 1994
Page 95
File: BC94-365

Question: May SB-564 UNS N08825 be considered as
P-No. 45, since it has identical properties to
SB-425 UNS N08825 that is assigned P-No. 45 in
QW-422?

Reply: No.

PROPOSED REVISION SHOULD READ:

ATTENTION: The foregoing reply was revised as follows:

Reply: Yes.

Note: The revised interpretation reply is based on the revised QW-420 in the 1992 Edition 1994 Addenda of
Section IX published in December 31, 1994.
Wu Chongzhi
State Nuclear Power Engineering Company
LTD.
SPMO, Haiyang Nuclear Power Plant , Shandong Province,
China
None None
People's Republic of China None
Yan Tai None

11. Phone 12. Fax
86-18930179563 None
13. Email
wuchongzhi@snpec.com.cn
None
According to ASME SECTION II Edition 2013, specification SA965 includes the austenitic steel forgings that were
a part of Specification SA336. For example, austenitic steel forging SA336 F304H can be found in ASME
SECTION II Edition 2004, but now it is changed to SA965 F304H per ASME SECTION II Edition 2013. SA336
F304H had UNS number S30409 and was assigned P-number 8-1 in ASME IX Edition 2004. If there is one
product made from SA336 F304H per ASME SECTION II Edition 2004, can it be assigned P-number 8-1 same as
SA965 F304H (UNS number S30409) in ASME SECTION IX Edition 2013?
Page 96

Yes.

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1.Subject *
BPV Section IX 2011a QW 403.6
SC IX; QW-403.6 - Range thickeness

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Bowers, Donald
(978)825-2561
Maurizio De Vita
METALSUD LO GATTO Via Nazionale 185 Ionadi VV
None None
Italy None
Vibo Valentia 89900

11. Phone 12. Fax
0963265872 None
13. Email
Page 98
maurizio.devita@metal-sud.com
None
We have qualified a welding procedure whit test coupon thk 6mm.
We are welding some pipes where impact test -46C thk 4,55 mm. Our question is the following: Is it applicable
the range 3-12 mm or 6 -12 mm as thk qualified by this PQR?

Moreover could you let us know if the dimensions in inch rules on dimensions in mm. In this case in. is 6,35
mm and not 6 mm as indicated in the QW 403.6.
Can we consider that test coupon thk (6,00 mm)is less than in. (6,35 mm) and therefore is applicable the thk
range 3-12mm?
We very much appreciate your prompt reply.

None
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1.Subject *
Edition/Addenda
*
Paragraph/Fig./Table No. *
BPV Section IX 2013 QW-163 Acceptance Criteria Bend
Tests
SC IX; QW-163: Acceptance Criteria
Bend Tests

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD


Sturgill, Paul
1(303)435-4338
Michael Goolsby
Austin Industrial 2801 East 13th St.
None None
United States Texas
LaPorte 77571

11. Phone 12. Fax
281-478-0813 None
Page 100
13. Email
mgoolsby@austinindl.com
None
QW-163 states the guided-bend specimens shall have no open discontinuity in the weld or heat affected zone
exceeding 1/8 in.
measured in any direction on the convex surface of the specimen after bending.

1) For pipe, does this indicate that each specimen for the bends may have an open discontinuity not exceeding
1/8 in. and still be acceptable?

2) For any pipe bend test, is the not exceeding 1/8 in. accumulative over the four specimens?

None
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1.Subject *
Edition/Addenda
*
BPV Section IX 2013 QW-194 Visual Examination
Performance
SC IX; QW-194: Visual Examination
Performance

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD


Bowers, Donald
(978)825-2561

Michael Goolsby
None None
United States Texas
LaPorte 77571

11. Phone 12. Fax
Page 102
281-478-0813 None
13. Email
None
QW-194 states Performance test coupons shall show no cracks and complete joint penetration with complete
fusion of weld
metal and base metal.

1) If you have excessive internal protrusion or excessive reinforcement on the cap, is the coupon still acceptable?

None
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1.Subject *
BPV Section IX 2013 QW-300 General
SC IX; QW-300 General

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Bowers, Donald
(978)825-2561
Michael Goolsby
None None
United States Texas
LaPorte 77571

11. Phone 12. Fax
281-478-0813 None
13. Email
Page 104
None
1) During a performance groove test on pipe (open butt), is it permissible to allow the welder to repair a portion of
the root pass prior to completion of the entire root?

2) Is it permissible to allow the welder to repair any portion of the weld prior to completion?

None
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Record Description
1.Subject *
Edition/Addenda
*
BPV Section IX 2013 Nonmandatory Appendix K; K-
300
SC IX; K-300 Recommended Working
General

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD


Sturgill, Paul
1(303)435-4338
Michael Goolsby
None None
United States Texas
LaPorte 77571

11. Phone 12. Fax
281-478-0813 None
Page 106
13. Email
None
K-300 states - When invoking Section IX in general, the following wording is recommended:

Welding, brazing, and fusing shall be permitted using procedures and personnel qualified in accordance with the
requirements of ASME BPVC Section IX.

1) If you utilize additional acceptance criteria from ASME B31.1, B31.3, or Section VIII in conjunction with the
Section IX requirements, will the above statement still be acceptable?

2) If you utilize additional acceptance criteria from ASME B31.1, B31.3 or Section VIII in conjunction with the
Section IX requirements, do you need to include reference to that respective Code in the statement above?

None
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1.Subject *
BPV Section IX 2011a QW-201
SC IX; QW-201, Weld Procedure Qualification

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Bowers, Donald
(978)825-2561
William Carrell
BD Energy Systems, LLC 1001 S. Dairy Ashford Suite 410
None None
United States Texas
Houston 77077

11. Phone 12. Fax
281-407-9812 NA
13. Email
Page 108
william.carrell@bdenergysystems.com
ASME IX Article II Paragraph QW-201 states

If a manufacturer submits a WPS with a PQR and the WPS lists the PQR number but the PQR does NOT list the
submitted WPS number (it references a different WPS number), is the submitted WPS qualified with the
submitted WPS number not being listed on the associated submitted PQR?
Per ASME IX addenda 2011a Article II QW-201 it is not qualified.

Yes or No with brief explanation

Page 109
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BPV Section IX 2013 QW-200.2(f) and QW-451.1
SC IX; QW-200.2(f) and QW-451.1

TBD
3. Explanation *
TBD

Bowers, Donald
(978)825-2561
Brian Robb
Doosan Babcock Porterfield Road
Technology & Engineering Building Westway Business Park
United Kingdom None
Renfrew PA4 8DJ

11. Phone 12. Fax
+44(0)8853895 +44(0)8853338
13. Email
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brian.robb@doosan.com
A WPS for weld process GTAW & SMAW is qualified by two PQRs. One PQR covers GTAW on a test plate
thickness of 3/8

Can the WPS claim qualification for groove welds from 1/16

No.

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1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-407.2
2. Proposal
Revise QW-407.2 as shown in the proposal file
3. Explanation *
The present words essentially equivalent to are difficult to comply with and are just waiting for the Superinspector to
show up. While temperature is also an issue (PWHT at 1100F affects the metal less than heat treating at 1200F), I
have no proposal, although the Holloman-J affe equation (H =T (C +log t) x 10 -3 where T is the temperature in K,
and t is the heating time in hours and C is most commonly 20 but 30 has been used for higher Cr-Mo steels) provides
a method of calculating equivalence
of PWHT for times for two temperatures and times for C-Mn steels .
Revised QW-407.2
Sperko, Walter
sperko@asme.org
(336)674-0600
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Committee: BPV IX Address the writer at:
Agenda Item: 10-107 Sperko Engineering
Subject: QW-407.2 4803 Archwood Drive
Greensboro, NC 27406
Date: October 8, 2010 Phone: 336-674-0600
To: Steve Rossi FAX: 336-674-0202
www.sperkoengineering.com
Copies to: Don Bowers Sperko@asme.org

Dear Steve,

Please add the following to the SC agenda. The present words essentially equivalent to are
difficult to comply with and are just waiting for the Superinspector to show up. While
temperature is also an issue (PWHT at 1100F affects the metal less than heat treating at
1200F), I have proposed using the Holloman-Jaffe equation (H = T (C + log t) x 10
-3
where T is
the temperature in K, and t is the heating time in hours and C is most commonly 20 but 30 has
been used for higher Cr-Mo steels) which provides a method of calculating equivalence of PWHT
temperature and time for C-Mn steels. Since this is a supplementary essential variable, we are
only concerned about toughness effects, and in my experience, toughness is not degraded until
PWHT time is long, thus the 10 hour shift in the proposed rules. Also, we are only concerned
when the heat treatment is below the lower transformation temperature.

Present words

QW-407.2 A change in the postweld heat treatment
(see QW-407.1) temperature and time range.
The procedure qualification test shall be subjected
to PWHT essentially equivalent to that encountered
in the fabrication of production welds, including at
least 80% of the aggregate times at temperature(s).
The PWHT total time(s) at temperature(s) may be
applied in one heating
cycle.
Revised words

QW-407.2

This variable shall apply when PWHT is performed
below the lower transformation temperature.

The test coupon shall be subjected to PWHT time
of at least 80% of the aggregate time(s) that will be
encountered by production welds. The cumulative
anticipated total time at temperature may be applied
to the test coupon in one heating cycle.

When the heat treatment time of the test coupon
exceeds 10 hours, the heat treatment nominal
temperature and holding time at that temperature
shall be recorded and the value of H calculated
using the following formula:

H = T (C + log t) x 10
-3

where T is the temperature in K, t is the holding
time in hours and C is 20.

The value of H calculated shall be the maximum
combination of time and temperature qualified using
the above formula.

Walter J. Sperko, P.E.

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TWI Frequently asked questions
What is the effect on C-Mn and low alloy steels of multiple tempering
or stress-relieving heat treatment cycles carried out at the same or
different temperatures?
by David Abson
Where tempering treatments are all carried out at the same temperature, the effects are
additive, and the times are simply summed. (An allowance for the time elapsed during heating
and cooling cycles is discussed below). Softening generally occurs, but in secondary hardening
steels the hardening produced by precipitation is superimposed on this softening. Where
further heat treatment is carried out on a quenched and tempered steel, significant softening
will generally not occur at temperatures lower than the original tempering temperature. If the
further heat treatment is a stress-relieving treatment, the intended stress relieving
temperature will influence selection of the temperature for the original tempering.
Where treatments are carried out at different temperatures it is, in effect, the metallurgical
changes which must be added. This can be achieved by using the Holloman-Jaffe time-
temperature parameter, H, which is used for both C-Mn and low alloy steels, and which is
given by:
H = T (20 + log t) x 10
-3

where T is the temperature in K, and t is the heating time in hours. As the metallurgical
changes which occur follow a logarithmic time law, the time appears as a logarithmic term; H
values are therefore not additive. Where periods of heating occurred at different temperatures,
the effective times at a common temperature must be evaluated. It is then these effective
times which are added. For post-weld stress relieving treatments carried out on C-Mn and low
alloy steels, H values are typically in the range 17 to 20.
Where heating and cooling rates are low, as in the heat treatment of thick sections, the time
spent nearly at temperature during heating and cooling cycles can make a significant
contribution to the metallurgical changes. Such effects can be allowed for by determining
additional equivalent times. For the relevant equation and a graphical representation see
reference below. The equivalent additional time, t, is
t = T/[2.3 S (20 - log S)]
where S (K/hour) is the heating or the cooling rate (ignoring the change of sign of the slope).
A value of 20 for the constant in the equations given above is appropriate to C-Mn and low
alloy steels. Whilst a value of 30 is commonly used for 9%Cr steels, a value of 20 is probably
more appropriate.
Reference
1. Gulvin T F, Scott D, Haddrill D M and Glen J: 'The influence of stress relief on the
properties of C and C-Mn pressure vessel plate steels', J. West of Scotland Iron and Steel
Institute, 1972-3 80 149-175 and 282-285.
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Heating Cooling
Check 1 475 20 10000000 10000000 0.00 0.00 15.93
Check 2 600 10 10 2.00 2.00 17.99
References p268-279. #VALUE! #VALUE! #VALUE!
595 2 111 140 0.19 0.15 17.68
595 0 111 140 0.19 0.15 16.95
595 2.3 10000000 10000000 0.00 0.00 17.67
50 50 0.13 0.13 5.30
595 5 44.4 56 0.46 0.37 18.02
595 0 44.4 56 0.46 0.37 17.29
595 5.8 10000000 10000000 0.00 0.00 18.02
#REF! #REF! #REF!
595 1 222 240 0.10 0.09 17.42
595 1 222 240 0.10 0.09 17.42
595 1.18 10000000 10000000 0.00 0.00 17.42
Holloman-Jaffe
Parameter
Reference: Gulvin TF, Scott D, Hadrill DM and Glenn J, Journal of the West of Scotland Iron and Steel Institute, Vol
80, Session 1972-1973, pp 149-175.
Equivalent time
Temperature, C
Hold time,
hours
Heating rate,
C/hour,
Cooling rate,
C/hour,
Page 118
Heating Cooling
Check 1 475 20 10000000 10000000 0.00 0.00 15.93
Check 2 600 10 10 2.00 2.00 17.99
References p268-279. #VALUE! #VALUE! #VALUE!
595 1 222 280 0.10 0.08 17.42
567 2 222 280 0.09 0.07 17.08
539 4 222 280 0.09 0.07 16.74
512 10 222 280 0.09 0.07 16.49
484 20 222 280 0.08 0.07 16.13
#NUM! #NUM! #NUM!
595 1 222 280 0.10 0.08 17.42
567 5.3 222 280 0.09 0.07 17.42
539 28 222 280 0.09 0.07 17.42
512 155 222 280 0.09 0.07 17.42
484 1,020 222 280 0.08 0.07 17.42
Holloman-Jaffe
Parameter
Reference: Gulvin TF, Scott D, Hadrill DM and Glenn J, Journal of the West of Scotland Iron and Steel Institute, Vol
80, Session 1972-1973, pp 149-175.
Equivalent time
Temperature, C
Hold time,
hours
Heating rate,
C/hour,
Cooling rate,
C/hour,
Page 119
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-406.8 and QW-406.9 - Preheat and Interpass Temperatures for Temperbead Qualification
2. Proposal
TBD
3. Explanation *
Essential Variables QW-406.8 (for impact qualification) and QW-406.9 (for hardness qualification) requires the
determination of the specified temperature (dependent on the qualification criteria) for each layer. This presents
multiple problems when considering individual passes and the requirements for them. See Background information.
TBD
Flenner, Philip
flnr@aol.com
(269)353-1166
Page 120
From: Walter Sperko <wsperko@bellsouth.net>
To: Phil Flenner <flnr@aol.com>
Sent: Sun, Jul 10, 2011 12:00 am
Subject: Re: Temperbead Qualification Variables
Phil,

This is a subject for discussion at some point.

I see a lot of WPSs where all the PQRs show the same interpass temperature for
impact tested applications. What they recorded was the maximum permitted interpass
temperperature, not the actual.

For TB welding, one should record the interpass temperature for each pass-- but then
what do you do with those values relative to each layer? Also, the effect is different
when the basis for qualification is impacts or hardness.

How about asking for an agenda item to discuss preheat in interpass temperature
measurement and pose your and my questions.

Thanks

Walt
No trees were killed in the sending of this message, but a large number of electrons
were terribly inconvenienced.

From: Phil Flenner <flnr@aol.com>
To: sperko@asme.org
Sent: Fri, J uly 1, 2011 10:04:31 PM
Subject: Temperbead Qualification Variables
Walt,

A couple of questions on the temperbead variable QW-406.9 (essential variable when hardness is the test criterion):

Preheat is defined as the minimum temperature prior to welding. This variable requires that each TB layer record the
preheat but it does not state that this preheat need be the temperature checked on each layer. Can the preheat for
each layer be the minimum temperature recorded for any layer or is it required that the minimum preheat for each
layer be the temperature of that corresponding layer during qualification? Whichever it is, what happens when the
thickness being welded exceeds the thickness of qualification and therefore requires additional layers? Also, when
the layer requires more than one pass, is the recorded preheat the temperature prior to the first pass of the layer, or
the 2nd, or the ... (you get what I mean)?

Methinks this variable is a monster lying in wait.

Philip D. Flenner, PE
Page 121
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Review of Referenced Documents
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
TBD by PM
None

Campbell, Lisa
lcampbell@rigginscompany.com
1(804)512-6482
Page 122
Page 123
(x) Throughout Section IX, references are
made to various standards and
specifications, which may address
procedures, terminology, or test methods. In
the event of a conflict between the edition
listed in this Section and that in the
referencing construction Code, that of the
referencing construction Code shall govern.
INSERT
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-291 Welding of Duplex Stainless Steels
2. Proposal
Add para. QW-291 as shown in the proposal file.
3. Explanation *
The Task Group on Duplex Stainless Steels was formed to address the growing issues associated with the increased
use of Duplex Stainless Steels. Upgrades and inclusion of group numbers, P numbers, writing additional rules,
creation of additional essential variables, etc. are being considered.

Duplex Stainless Steels are unique in that they rely on a certain percentage of austenite/ferrite in the final
microstructure in order to obtain the corrosion resistance needed for service applications. The austenite/ferrite content
is larger dependent on cooling rate to obtain the necessary microstructure needed.

Improper welding of Duplex grades will affect the toughness. However, this is also directly related to PREN and ferrite
content. The PREN will remain fairly constant since it is based on chemistry content only. But the ferrite number is
also a big player in corrosion resistance and it is not constant and not as related to chemistry (more related to heat
input/cooling rate). Thus the dilemma .. the austenite content largely determines toughness, the more austenite the
tougher the material. But the corrosion resistance is dependent on the austenite/ferrite percentage after cooling. So, in
essence, the material could be Too tough since this would indicate a high austenite content. For the duplexes to
have adequate corrosion resistance the minimum ferrite content should be about 30% in the weld (about 40% in the
base metal). If the ferrite content was only about 20% then the toughness would be higher, but the corrosion
resistance would be lower and this would be unacceptable since this material is largely chosen for its corrosion
resistance.

The Task Group is leaning towards creating Group numbers within the 10H P-number and using chemistry (PREN) as
the criteria for choosing the group numbers. This would be consistent with the current P/Group number system used
for Section IX since corrosion is not a section IX consideration. One proposal is to separate group numbers by the Cr,
Mo, and N content and write rules accordingly (mostly related to thickness and heat input and anything else that
affects cooling rate i.e preheat, interpass temperature). Another requirement would be to check the final PQR test
coupon for ferrite content.

Attached is RP582 which is the current Duplex Stainless Steel specification that API is updating. Another attachment
is an example of a possible Section IX modification from Greg Roberts that includes wording and proposed additional
welding variables. Neither one of these attachments are a proposal at this time. But they will be used as input to
create our recommendations.
Added new paragraph QW-291 - Welding of Duplex Stainless Steels
Gingrich, Stan
stan.gingrich@urs.com
(719)651-5464
Page 124
QW291WELDINGOFDUPLEXSTAINLESSSTEELS
WhentheapplicablecontractordesignspecificationspecifiestheuseofthisparagraphforweldingP
No.10Hbasematerials,QW291.1throughQW291.5shallapply.
QW291.1BasicQualificationandUpgradingExistingWPSs.AllWPSsforweldingofP10Hshallbe
qualifiedforgrooveweldinginaccordancewiththerulesinQW202forqualificationbygroovewelding
ortherulesinQW283forweldswithbuttering.Oncetheserequirementsandanyadditional
qualificationrequirementsoftheapplicablecontract,designspecificationorconstructioncodehave
beensatisfied,thenitisnecessaryonlytoprepareanadditionaltestcouponusingthesameprocedure
withthesameessentialandifapplicable,thesupplementaryessentialvariableswiththecouponlong
enoughtoobtaintherequiredtestspecimensforadditionaltestingwhenspecifiedbyapplicable
contractordesignspecifications,suchascorrosiontesting,ferritetesting,&/orimpacttesting.
Qualificationforgroovewelding,weldingwithbuttering,andanyadditionalspecifiedtestingmayalso
bedoneinasingletestcoupon.
Whenaprocedurehasbeenpreviouslyqualifiedtosatisfyallrequirementsincludinganyadditional
specifiedtesting,butoneormoreDuplexStainlessSteelweldingvariablesischanged,thenitis
necessaryonlytoprepareanadditionaltestcouponusingthesameprocedurewiththesameessential
and,ifapplicable,thesupplementaryessentialvariablesandthenewduplexstainlesssteelessential
variable(s)withthecouponlongenoughtoobtaintherequiretestspecimens.
Forcorrosiontesting,testingatorabovethespecifiedtemperaturequalifiesthetemperaturetested,
plusalllowertemperatures.Whentherequiredtestingtemperatureisincreased,onlythecorrosion
test(s)needsrepeated.
QW291.2WeldingProcessRestrictions.Unlessfollowedbysolutionannealing,weldingofduplex
stainlesssteelsislimitedtothoseweldingprocessesthatareusedwithadditionoffillermetal,and
allowedbyconstructioncode,contract,&/ordesignspecification.TheessentialvariableslistedinTable
QW291.4applyinadditiontothevariablesapplicablefortheprocess(es)qualifiedasgiveninQW250.
Whenimpacttestingisthebasisforacceptance,thesupplementaryessentialvariablesofQW250
applicabletotheprocessbeingqualifiedshallapply.Whenthesevariablesconflictwithorprovidemore
stringentlimitationsthanthoseofQW250,thesevariablesshallgovern.
QW291.3VariablesforWeldingDulplexStainlessSteel,PNo.10H.TableQW291.4liststheessential
variablesthatapplywhencompliancewithQW291isrequired.
QW291.4
WELDINGVARAIBLESFORWELDINGOFDUPLEXSTAINLESSSTEELS(PNo.10H)
Paragraph BriefofVariables EssentialVariables Nonessential
Variables
QW402
Joints
.4 Backing X
.X1 Rootopening X
QW403
BaseMetals
.X1 >PREn X
Page 125
QW404
FillerMetals
.X1 <PREn X
QW406
Preheat
.X1 >interpass X
QW407
PWHT
.X1 Cooling X
QW408
Gas
.X1 Gascontent X
.X2 Purge X
QW409
Electrical
Characteristics
.X1 Heatinput X
QW410
Technique
.X1
QW291.5TestCouponPreperationandTestingWouldthisparagraphbeneeded?
QW402.X1Forweldsmadefromonesidewithoutbackingachangeof+/25%oftherootopening.
QW403.X1AnyincreaseinPREngreaterthan3.(PittingREsistancenumberiscalculatedasPREn=Cr+
3.3Mo+16N+1.7W).
QW404.X1AnydecreaseinPREngreaterthan3.(PittingREsistancenumberiscalculatedasPREn=Cr+
3.3Mo+16N+1.7W).
QW406.X1Anyincreaseinthemaximuminterpasstemperature.
QW407.X1ForsolutionannealingPWHT,achangeinthecoolingmedia.
QW408.X1Achangeinthenitrogenoractivegascontentofthebackinggas.
QW408.X2Forweldsmadefromonesidewithoutbacking,areductioninthenumberofpasses
depositedbeforediscontinuingpurginggas.
QW409.X1Anincreaseofmorethan10%,ordecreaseofmorethan25%oftheheatinput.
Page 126


Committee: BPV IX Address writer at:
Agenda Item: URS Corporation
Subject: Update of TG on Duplex Stainless Steels 16980 Park Trail Dr.
Monument, CO 80132
Office: 303-843-2186
Cell: 719-651-5464

Date: August 2, 2012
To: Steve Rossi

Dear Steve,

This is a brief update of activities of the Task Group on Duplex Stainless Steels.

The Task Group on Duplex Stainless Steels was formed to address the growing issues
associated with the increased use of Duplex Stainless Steels. Upgrades and inclusion
of group numbers, P numbers, writing additional rules, creation of additional essential
variables, etc. are being considered.

Duplex Stainless Steels are unique in that they rely on a certain percentage of
austenite/ferrite in the final microstructure in order to obtain the corrosion resistance
needed for service applications. The austenite/ferrite content is larger dependent on
cooling rate to obtain the necessary microstructure needed.

Improper welding of Duplex grades will affect the toughness. However, this is also
directly related to PREN and ferrite content. The PREN will remain fairly constant since
it is based on chemistry content only. But the ferrite number is also a big player in
corrosion resistance and it is not constant and not as related to chemistry (more related
to heat input/cooling rate). Thus the dilemma .. the austenite content largely
determines toughness, the more austenite the tougher the material. But the corrosion
resistance is dependent on the austenite/ferrite percentage after cooling. So, in
essence, the material could be Too tough since this would indicate a high austenite
content. For the duplexes to have adequate corrosion resistance the minimum ferrite
content should be about 30% in the weld (about 40% in the base metal). If the ferrite
content was only about 20% then the toughness would be higher, but the corrosion
resistance would be lower and this would be unacceptable since this material is largely
chosen for its corrosion resistance.

Page 127

The Task Group is leaning towards creating Group numbers within the 10H P-number
and using chemistry (PREN) as the criteria for choosing the group numbers. This would
be consistent with the current P/Group number system used for Section IX since
corrosion is not a section IX consideration. One proposal is to separate group numbers
by the Cr, Mo, and N content and write rules accordingly (mostly related to thickness
and heat input and anything else that affects cooling rate i.e preheat, interpass
temperature). Another requirement would be to check the final PQR test coupon for
ferrite content.

Attached is RP582 which is the current Duplex Stainless Steel specification that API is
updating. Another attachment is an example of a possible Section IX modification from
Greg Roberts that includes wording and proposed additional welding variables. Neither
one of these attachments are a proposal at this time. But they will be used as input to
create our recommendations.\

If you have any questions or need additional information feel free to contact me at any
time.

Respectfully Submitted,

Stan Gingrich, PE, P.Eng, CWEng
Manager
Materials & Welding Engineering
URS Energy & Construction
7800 E. Union Ave
Denver, CO 80132
Office: 303-843-2186
Cell: 719-651-5464

Page 128
RP582 - Additional Requirements for Duplex SS (Rev. 3)
6.5 Duplex and Super Duplex Stainless Steel Welding
6.5.1. Exception: Duplex Stainless Steel
[I] Procedure qualification requirements, including ferrite testing, shall be per Section 11.3 of this
GP RP.
6.5.4. New: Duplex Stainless Steel
[R] When welding duplex stainless steel, consumables shall meet the requirements listed below.
In addition, consumables for grade UNS S32205 shall meet the chemical composition
requirements shown in the table below Table 4.
1) SMAW electrodes shall contain the alloying elements in the core wire and have a basic type
coating.
2) FCAW filler metals shall contain the alloying elements in the sheath and a basic type flux.
3) SAW flux shall be a basic flux. with a basicity (Boniszweski) index between 1.7 and 2.3.
4) Filler metal(s) and flux used for the procedure qualification shall be of the same type and
brand manufacturer and manufacturers trade name as used in production.

Table 4 Additional Chemistry requirements for Duplex and Super Duplex Stainless Steel

Element Minimum Chemical Composition
(Duplex)
Minimum Chemical Composition
(Super Duplex)
Nitrogen 0.14% 0.25%
Nickel 8.0% 9.5%
Molybdenum 3.0% 4.0%

8.4. Addition: Interpass Temperatures for Duplex Stainless
Steel
[*] [R] The maximum interpass temperatures for duplex and super duplex stainless steel shall be
per the following table according to Table 5. For other grades of duplex, the maximum interpass
temperature shall be specified by the Purchaser. In no case shall the production interpass
temperature exceed the interpass temperature used during procedure qualification.

Page 129
Table 5 Maximum Recommended Interpass Temperatures for Duplex and Super Duplex
Stainless Steel
Thickness
Maximum Interpass Temperature
Duplex Stainless Steel
(UNS S32205)
Superduplex Stainless Steel
(UNS S32750)
<
1
/
8
in. (3 mm) 120F (50C) 120F (50C)
<
1
/
4
in. (6 mm) 160F (70C) 160F (70C)
<
3
/
8
in. (9.5 mm) 210F (100C) 210F (100C)

3
/
8
in. (9.5 mm) 300F (150C) 250F (120C)

11.3. New: Additional Procedure Qualification Requirements for
Duplex Stainless Steels
[R] Procedure qualification shall be done on duplex stainless steel base metal of the same UNS
number as used in production and per the following requirements:
1) Thickness and Heat Input: In addition to the requirements of ASME SEC IX, a new PQR
is required when:
a) The maximum qualified production wall thickness shall not exceed 120 percent (1.2T) of
the thickness of the test coupon used during qualification. The minimum qualified
production wall thickness is the test coupon thickness (T).
b) Any change in the heat input (measured by Amps x Volts x 60 divided by travel speed)
greater than 10 percent of the value used during qualification. The maximum heat input
qualified on the WPS shall be the maximum used on the PQR. The minimum heat input
qualified shall be the higher of 0.5 KJ/mm (XX KJ/inch) or 50% of the maximum used
on the PQR. *See ASME IX, QW-409.1(c) and Appendix H (this is for waveform
controlled welding!!).*
2) Weld Position: The procedure shall be qualified in the vertical-up position (3G). If welding
is to be performed only in the flat (1G) position, then only qualification in the 1G position is
required. All Vertical weld progression shall be upward uphill.
3) Ferrite to Austenite Ratio:
a) Per ASTM E 562, the ferrite to austenite ratio in the deposited weld metal and heat-
affected zone (HAZ) shall be determined on a polished and etched cross section of the
weld coupon at a magnification of 500x 400X. The number of fields and points per field
shall be in agreement with the guidance provided in the 10% Relative Accuracy column
found in Table 3 of ASTM E 562.
b) The following three areas shall be evaluated and reported in the PQR:
i) Root pass
ii) Mid-thickness
iii) Cover pass (This is to be used as a reference for the test required on production
welds.)
c) Ferrite content shall be within the following ranges:
i) Weld metal 30 to 65 percent
ii) HAZ 40 to 65 percent
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iii) Base metal 40 to 60 percent
Note that ferrite content down to 25% may be acceptable for the weld metal if corrosion
or other tests are satisfactory to the purchaser.
4) [*] Hardness testing: Refer to API 938-C for hardness testing requirements. For Wet H
2
S
Service as described in GP 18-10-01, hardness testing shall be performed on the PQR test
coupon. Readings shall be taken in Vickers with a 10 kg load. At least eight readings at a
depth of 2.5 mm below the inside and below the outside surfaces shall be recorded for the
base metal, HAZ, and weld deposit.
a) For UNS S31803 and S32205, the measured hardness shall not be above 310 HV
average, with no reading over 320 HV.
b) For all other grades of duplex stainless steel, the maximum and average hardness values
shall be specified by the Owner's Engineer.
Can propose the following if reference to API 938-C is not agreed.
a) For duplex stainless steel, the maximum hardness is 28HRC 320HV.
b) For super duplex stainless steel, the maximum hardness is 32HRC 350HV.
Note that these values are the same as those in NACE MR0103
5) Corrosion and Impact Testing: Either the corrosion or impact test as described below shall
be performed to the PQR sample:
a) Corrosion Test:
i) One test specimen that includes the weld, HAZ, and base metal shall be removed
from each procedure qualification test coupon and tested in accordance with ASTM
A 923 Method C. Acceptance criteria shall be per ASTM A 923 except that no
pitting is allowed. The Rapid Screening Test method per ASTM A 923 is not
permitted.
ii) Third-party laboratories used for the testing shall have prior experience with duplex
stainless steel testing using ASTM G 48 A or ASTM A 923 C methods. Vendor shall
submit to the Owner the laboratory name and qualifications, to be used for
qualification and production testing.
iii) If the specimen does not meet the acceptance criteria, then a new specimen may be
taken and retested. The Owner must be notified before proceeding with retesting.
b) Impact Test:
i) [A] For Charpy V notch impact tests of the weld metal and HAZ, three specimens for
each location are required. The following values for grade UNS S32205 are required
for full-size specimens. Acceptance values for other grades of duplex stainless steel
shall be agreed upon with the Owner's Engineer.
a) Weld Metal: 25 ft-lbs (34 J) average and 20 ft-lbs (27 J) minimum at 40F
(40C)
b) HAZ: 40 ft-lbs (54 J) average and 32 ft-lbs (43 J) minimum at 40F (40C)
ii) The orientation of standard size specimens shall be per ASME SEC VIII D1, UG84.
In addition, the weld metal impact specimen shall be removed from the T/2 (mid-
wall) position. Furthermore, the HAZ impact specimen location may need to be
adjusted to ensure the notch is completely in the HAZ but should be as close as
feasible to the T/2 position.
iii) The lateral expansion shall be 0.015 in. (0.38 mm) minimum.
6) Heavy Wall Equipment:
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a) iv) For duplex and super duplex weldments with a wall thickness over 1 2 in. (25 mm)
the impact test, using full-size specimens at the 1/4T position and at the location of the
root pass, and the corrosion test are required.
b) v) For duplex weldments with a wall thickness over 2 in. (50 mm), full-size impact
specimens shall be removed for testing at the location of the first weld pass and at the
1
/
4
T
position.
12.8. New: Additional Requirements for Welding Duplex and
Super Duplex Stainless Steel
1) [R] Welder and Welding Operator Qualifications:
a) Welder and welding operator performance qualification tests shall be made using the
same welding procedure, base material UNS grade, thickness range, and brand of filler
metal to be used in production.
b) The ferrite-to-austenite ratio shall be determined as required in Section 11.3, Item (3) of
this GP for all performance qualification tests.
c) Impact testing as required in Section 11.3, Item (5b) of this GP shall be done for all
performance qualification tests.
2) [R] Production Test Plates: Each heat of plate used to fabricate shell and head segments and
heads shall be subjected to production testing. Test plates shall be made from the same heat
as the base material and installed as run-off tabs at the end of longitudinal weld seams. The
test plate shall be of sufficient size to equal the cooling gradient of the component. The
samples shall be subjected to ferrite-to-austenite ratio testing as required in Section 11.3, Item
(3) and impact testing as required in Section 11.3, Item (5b) of this GP RP.

12.9. New: Inspection and Testing of Duplex and Super Duplex
Stainless Steel Welds
1) Pressure boundary welds shall have ferrite measurements made by using a Fischer
Feritscope calibrated in accordance with AWS A4.2M. A total of three measurements shall
be taken in the center of each weld cap and. if accessible, the root pass. Welds made from
each weld procedure, welder, and heat/lot of filler metal shall be tested. The weld cap and
root pass shall be prepared as recommended by the manufacturer of the testing
instrument.ground suitably flat to take the ferrite readings. The acceptance criteria shall be
per 11.3, Item (3c) of this GP RP.
2) Completed welds shall be 100 percent visually examined for heat tinting, i.e., oxide
discoloration of the surface (see AWS D18.2). When required by the purchaser, all All
welds with heat tinting shall be removed and thoroughly cleaned by pickling or glass bead
blasting.

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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
PWHT where PWHT results in degradation of toughness or risks reheat cracking.
2. Proposal
Identify PWHT requirements in construction codes where PWHT is required for materials that are degraded by
PWHT and propose revisions to those codes.
3. Explanation *
ASME LLC project ST-PT-033 identified certain materials and material types in which toughness is degraded by
PWHT. Some of those materials require PWHT by the construction codes. Some of them are also subject to
reheat cracking which occurs during PWHT and, in some cases, is hard to detect, increasing the risk of failure.
This TG will put together a case that, for high toughness base materials, PWHT does not reduce risk of failure and
in fact may increase it by loss of toughness and increased risk of reheat cracking.
Changes will occur in the construction codes, not in Section IX.

Lee, J onathan
J onLee@chevron.com
1(713)372-7161
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Record Number: 12-470 Page 1 of 3 Revision 0

Committee: ASME Subcommittee IX Address the writer at:
Record Number: 12-470 Sperko Engineering
Subject: Evils of PWHT 4803 Archwood Drive
Date: May 22, 2012 Greensboro, NC 27406
To: Steve Rossi www.sperkoengineering.com
Phone: 336-674-0600
FAX: 336-674-0202
Sperko@asme.org
Copies to: Task Group

Subject: Minutes of the May 15, 2012 meeting of the task group.

The task group met at 2 PM May 15, 2012. A list of attendees is attached.

It was suggested that the task groups game plan should be:

1) Identify materials by specification and grade that that have intrinsically high
toughness that is degraded by PWHT and are required to be given PWHT by any
ASME construction code.
2) Identify materials by specification and grade that are likely to suffer from reheat
cracking and are required to be given PWHT by any ASME construction code.
3) Develop the argument that PWHT of the above materials should be eliminated from
the construction codes. That argument would consist of:
a. Long history of use of those materials without PWHT in other applications and
under other Codes such as for structural steel, ships, pipelines, etc. without
PWHT.
b. Recommendations from material suppliers and literature regarding PWHT of
these materials (Dr. Dotys list, STP-PT-033 PWHT Degradation, etc.)
c. Develop a fracture mechanics justification for eliminating PWHT on high-
toughness materials (TWI and Quest Integrity).
d. Development of rules for weld metal properties and procedure qualification of
these materials.

Mr. Newell and Ms. Melfi indicated that they had a tentative list, and Mr. Gingrich
indicated that he had a list of P-1 materials that he identified as meeting the above criteria.
It was suggested that a couple of materials that obviously fit the above criteria be identified
for use as a trial balloon if we can identify materials that are obviously degraded by
PWHT and which risk reheat cracking and we can get relief from PWHT for those
materials, that will set a pattern and expose objections without overwhelming other
committee members.

A listing of likely materials was provided by Mr. Carpenter based on materials that were in
the Code in 1999 and is attached.

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All relevant materials will be posted as background material under this record number on
C&S Connect.

In order to collect material listings from the construction codes, the form attached has been
started. Please consider if this is adequate information, or is chemical composition and
other properties data needed.

Respectfully submitted,


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List of Materials that are candidates for elimination of PWHT based on intrinsic toughness

Spec Grade Condition P-No.
Gr. No
Tensile
ksi
Code
Found
PWHT
Temp
Exemption
Thickness
Rank
SA-533 A, Cl 3 11A Gr 4 100 III, NB 1000/1050 ! in
SA-533 D, Cl 3 11A Gr 4 100 III, NB 1000/1050 ! in
SA-533 B, Cl 3 11A Gr 4 100 III, NB 1000/1050 ! in
SA-537 Class 1 N 1, Gr 2 70/90 VIII, D1 1100 min
SA-537 Class 2 Q&T 1, Gr 3 80/100 VIII, D1 1100 min
SA-588 A AR 1, Gr 2 70
SA-588 B AR 1, Gr 2 70
SA-633 A N 1, Gr 1 63/83
SA-633 C N 1, Gr 2 70/90
SA-633 D N 1, Gr 2 70/90
SA-633 E N 1, Gr 3 80/100
SA-672 J100 11A Gr 4 100 III, NB 1000/1050 ! in
SA-737 Gr B N or Q&T 1, Gr 2 70/90 VIII, D1 1100 min
SA-737 Gr C N or Q&T 1, Gr 3 80/100 VIII, D1 1100 min
SA-738 Gr A N or Q&T 1, Gr 2 75/95 VIII, D1 1100 min
SA-738 Gr B N or Q&T 1, Gr 3 85/102 VIII, D1 1100 min
SA-738 Gr C Q&T 1, Gr 3 80/100 VIII, D1 1100 min
SA-852 Q&T 90/110

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Spec. SA-337 SA-337 SA-737 SA-737 SA-738 SA-738 SA-738 SA-612* A633 A633 A633 A633 A388 A388 A832
Crade Class 1 Class 2 Cr 8 Cr C Cr A Cr 8 Cr C -- Cr A Cr C Cr u Cr L Cr A Cr 8 --
Cond. n C&1 n or C&1 n or C&1 n or C&1 C&1 C&1 n n n n n A8 A8 C&1
or S no. - 1 Cr 2 - 1 Cr 3 - 1 Cr 2 - 1 Cr 3 - 1 Cr 2 - 1 Cr 3 - 1 Cr 3 - 10 C Cr 1 S - 1 Cr 1 S - 1 Cr 1 S - 1 Cr 1 S - 1 Cr 3 S - 1 Cr 3 S- 1 Cr 3 --
llg. uCS- 66
Curve
u u u u u u Lo -20l --
u llg AM
218.1
-- -- -- -- -- -- --
?S 30 60 30 60 43 60 60 30 42 30 30 60 30 30 70
1S 70/90 80/100 70/90 80/100 73/93 83/102 80/100 83/103 63/83 70/90 70/90 80/100 70 70 90/110
C 0.24 0.24 0.20 0.22 0.24 0.20 0.20 0.24 0.18 0.20 0.20 0.22 0.19 0.20 0.19
Mn
0.70
1.33
0.70
1.33
1.13
1.30
1.13
1.30
1.30
0.90
1.30
1.30
1.00
1.30
1.00
1.33
1.13
1.30
0.70
1.33
1.13
1.30
0.80
1.23
0.73
1.33
0.80
1.33
Sl
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.33
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.13
0.30
0.30
0.63
0.13
0.30
0.80
0.63
nl 0.23 0.23 -- -- 0.30 0.60 0.30 0.23 -- -- 0.23 -- 0.40 0.30 0.30
Cr
0.23 0.23 -- -- 0.23 0.30 0.23 0.23 -- -- 0.23 --
0.40
0.63
0.40
0.63
0.40
0.70
Mo 0.08 0.08 -- -- 0.08 0.20 0.08 0.08 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
v
--** --** --**
0.04
0.11
0.07 0.07 0.03 0.08 -- -- --
0.04
0.11
0.02
0.10
0.02
0.10
0.02
0.02
Cb
--** --** 0.03 0.03 0.04 0.04 --** --** 0.03
0.01
0.03
--
0.01
0.03
-- -- --
Cb + v --** --** --** -- 0.08 0.08 --** --** -- -- -- -- -- -- --
Cu
0.33 0.33 -- -- 0.33 0.33 0.33 0.33 -- -- 0.33 --
0.23
0.40
0.20
0.40
0.20
0.40
n
-- -- -- 0.03 -- -- -- -- -- -- --
0.01
0.03
-- -- --
All above sLeels produced Lo flne graln pracLlce
* SA-612 Also known as AA8 1ank SLeel 128
** SA-20 1able 1 permlLs, by agreemenL, up Lo 0.10 v
and 0.03 Cb as unspeclfled elemenLs.
!"#$%&'(") "+ ,"#- .'/&"0122"3 ,4--2(
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Forms QW-482 and QW-483
2. Proposal
Revise Forms QW-482 and QW-483.
3. Explanation *
Although the welding variables "power" and "energy" are currently mentioned on the QW-482 WPS form, they are
not incorporated as individual columns in the table(s) that would allow a user to see clearly that variables QW-
409.1 and QW-409.8 have been met when waveform-controllled welding is used. This action will integrate these
variables more clearly into this nonmandatory form. In addition, the terms will be similarly incorporated into the
QW-483 PQR form.
Add columns for "energy" and "power," as appropriate, into the QW-482 WPS and QW-483 PQR form.

Bernasek, Michal
mbernasek@cspec.com
(925)943-1120

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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; PART QF - Electrofusing
2. Proposal
Add a new process for electrofusion of HDPE to PART QF - Plastic Fusing
3. Explanation *
Electrofusion is a plastic fusing process for joining HDPE piping with fittings or couplings. The process utilizes fittings
and couplings that have an imbedded heat source with power being supplied by a separate power supply.
None

O'Sullivan, J im
jim@o-sullivan.net
1(314)221-1800
Page 139
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QF-464 HSTIT Specimen
2. Proposal
Revise Fig. QF-464 as shown in the revision file
3. Explanation *
Fig. QF-464 contains dimensions in mixed numbers and in decimals, so this inconsistency needs to be corrected
to eliminate confusion which results when dimensions shown with two decimal places implies a level of precision
that is not required for non-critical dimensions. The General Notes require revision to maintain consistency with
the revised dimensions. And finally, the horizontal lines shown under the fusion bead imply a surface exists which
is not actually present after machining, so it needs to be removed.
Revised Fig. QF-464 for greater clarity.

Swezy, J ohn
boilercodetech@gmail.com
1(321)362-5316
Page 140
13-468 Proposed Revisions

1. Revise the indicated dimensions as shown above
2. Revise the General Notes to read as follows:
1-3/8 in. (35 mm)
1 in. (25 mm)
6-1/2 in. (163 mm)
4-1/2 in. (113 mm) 2-1/4 in. (56 mm)
1 in. (25 mm) 2 in. (50 mm)
(10 mm)
(5 mm)
GENERAL NOTES:
(a) All machined surfaces 125 RMS or finer.
(b) All fractional dimensions shown are + 1/16 in.
(c) All decimal dimensions are + 0.010 in. (0.5 mm).
(d) All internal radii 1/2 in. (13 mm), external radii 3/8 in. (10 mm).
(e) Fusion bead to remain in place after machining.
Remove existing horizontal lines under fusion bead (as shown)
Page 1 of 1

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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QF-300 HSTIT Testing
2. Proposal
Include HSTIT testing as an alternate test method for performance qualification
3. Explanation *
The HSTIT test is used for procedure qualification. lt could also be an acceptable test for performance qualification in
lieu of bend testing.
None

McElroy, Ernest
ewmcelro@duke-energy.com
1(803)831-4174
Page 142
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-403.26
2. Proposal
Revise QW-403.26 as shown in the Proposal File.
3. Explanation *
QW-403.26 is an essential variable for the temper-bead technique. At this time, the specific variable requires a CE
calculation or material test report (MTR) for every material welded. This is not often possible for repairs. One can
determine the material and grade by the Manufacturers Date Report or by positive material identification, but the
specific chemistry with the Carbon content requires physical testing. This sort of defeats the purpose of using the
temper-bead technique. Perhaps a tolerance is needed but it appears that if you test a Grade 22 material coupon that
the temper-bead technique should be usable with any material of the same specification and grade, or other material
specification with a different product form such as P22, T22 or F22 material. The chemical range for all grade 22
specifications appear to be identical. The alternative is to locate an MTR that has the largest possible CE value.
Revised QW-403.26.
Lee, J onathan
J onLee@chevron.com
1(713)372-7161
Page 143
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-420 - UNS numbers with multiple P-numbers (inconsistencies in QW/QB-422)
2. Proposal
3. Explanation *
TBD by PM
None

Gingrich, Stan
(719)651-5464
Page 145
Dear Walt
Hi, Best regard for you and your family. Thank you for your reply.
Dear Walt: Please help me for clarify the QW-420 because I dont understand
why for one UNS No. there are three P-No.?
I think, its better that for any P-No. must be one UNS No. separately for
traceability of all materials.
I think this subject that one UNS No. has more than one P-No. is a deficiency.
Please guide me why for one UNS No. existing two or three P-No.?
I accept P-numbers are assigned based on composition and on properties But for
UNS No. what are assigned based?

Please see attachment. I listed all UNS Numbers with deferent P-No. in
table QW-422.

I wish you happiness
Best Regards

manochehr
17 / Oct / 2012
(222)

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13-827
UNS numbers with multiple P-numbers in QW/QB-422 (2013 Edition)
C-spec master source ( ASME IX, AWS B2.1, ISO TR 20173, pNumbers.com) Page 1 of 2

UNS

P-No

Gp
ISO
15608
Spec.
No.

Grade
Min.
Ksi

Nominal Composition

Product Form
J13047 3 3 3.1 SA-487 Gr. 4, Cl. A 90 0.5Ni-0.5Cr-0.25Mo-V Castings
J13047 11A 3 3.1 SA-487 Gr. 4, Cl. B 105 0.5Ni-0.5Cr-0.25Mo-V Castings
J13047 11A 3 3.1 SA-487 Gr. 4, Cl. E 115 0.5Ni-0.5Cr-0.25Mo-V Castings

K12521 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type A, Cl. 1 80 Mn-0.5Mo Plate
K12521 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type A, Cl. 2 90 Mn-0.5Mo Plate
K12521 11A 4 3.1 SA-533 Type A, Cl. 3 100 Mn-0.5Mo Plate
K12521 11A 4 3.2 SA-672 J100 100 Mn-0.5Mo Fusion Welded Pipe

K12529 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type D, Cl. 1 80 Mn-0.5Mo-0.25Ni Plate
K12529 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type D, Cl. 2 90 Mn-0.5Mo-0.25Ni Plate
K12529 11A 4 3.1 SA-533 Type D, Cl. 3 100 Mn-0.5Mo-0.25Ni Plate

K12539 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type B, Cl. 2 90 Mn-0.5Mo-0.5Ni Plate
K12539 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type B, Cl. 1 80 Mn-0.5Mo-0.5Ni Plate
K12539 11A 4 3.2 SA-533 Type B, Cl. 3 100 Mn-0.5Mo-0.5Ni Plate

K12554 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type E, Cl. 2 90 Mn-0.5Mo-0.75Ni Plate
K12554 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type E, Cl. 1 80 Mn-0.5Mo-0.75Ni Plate
K12554 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type C, Cl. 2 90 Mn-0.5Mo-0.75Ni Plate
K12554 3 3 3.1 SA-533 Type C, Cl. 1 80 Mn-0.5Mo-0.75Ni Plate
K12554 11A 4 3.2 SA-533 Type C, Cl. 3 100 Mn-0.5Mo-0.75Ni Plate

K22375* 3 3 3.1 SA-508 4N, Cl. 3 90 3.5Ni-1.75Cr-0.5Mo-V Forgings
K22375* 11A 5 3.1 SA-508 4N, Cl. 1 105 3.5Ni-1.75Cr-0.5Mo-V Forgings
K22375* 11B 10 3.1 SA-508 4N, Cl. 2 115 3.5Ni-1.75Cr-0.5Mo-V Forgings

K42339 3 3 3.1 SA-543 B, Cl. 3 90 3Ni-1.75Cr-0.5Mo Plate
K42339 11A 5 3.1 SA-543 B, Cl. 1 105 3Ni-1.75Cr-0.5Mo Plate
K42339 11B 10 3.1 SA-543 B, Cl. 2 115 3Ni-1.75Cr-0.5Mo Plate

K42365 11A 5 3.1 SA-508 5, Cl. 1 105 3.5Ni-1.75Cr-0.5Mo-V Forgings
K42365 11B 10 3.1 SA-508 5, Cl. 2 115 3.5Ni-1.75Cr-0.5Mo-V Forgings

K21390 5A 1 5.2 SA-739 B22 75 2.25Cr-1Mo Bar
K21390 5C 1 5.2 SA-541 22, Cl. 3 85 2.25Cr-1Mo Forgings

* UNS K22375 is no longer active, retained by UNS 12th Edition for reference purposes only.
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UNS numbers with multiple P-numbers in QW/QB-422 (2013 Edition)
C-spec master source ( ASME IX, AWS B2.1, ISO TR 20173, pNumbers.com) Page 2 of 2

UNS

P-No

Gp
ISO
15608
Spec.
No.

Grade
Min.
Ksi

Nominal Composition

Product Form
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-336 F22, Cl. 3 75 2.25Cr-1Mo Forgings
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-335 P22 60 2.25Cr-1Mo Smls. Pipe
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-250 T22 60 2.25Cr-1Mo E.R.W. Tube
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-234 WP22, Cl. 1 60 2.25Cr-1Mo Piping Fittings
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-369 FP22 60 2.25Cr-1Mo Forged Pipe
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-213 T22 60 2.25Cr-1Mo Smls. Tube
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-387 22, Cl. 1 60 2.25Cr-1Mo Plate
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-387 22, Cl. 2 75 2.25Cr-1Mo Plate
K21590 5A 1 5.2 A-199 T22 60 2.25Cr-1Mo Smls. Tube
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-234 WP22, Cl. 3 75 2.25Cr-1Mo Piping Fittings
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-691 2.25CR, Cl. 1 60 2.25Cr-1Mo Fusion Welded Pipe
K21590 5A 1 5.2 SA-691 2.25CR, Cl. 2 75 2.25Cr-1Mo Fusion Welded Pipe
K21590 5C 1 5.2 SA-542 A, Cl. 4a 85 2.25Cr-1Mo Plate
K21590 5C 1 5.2 SA-542 A, Cl. 4 85 2.25Cr-1Mo Plate
K21590 5C 1 5.2 SA-542 B, Cl. 4 85 2.25Cr-1Mo Plate
K21590 5C 1 5.2 SA-542 B, Cl. 4a 85 2.25Cr-1Mo Plate

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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Temper Bead Rules
2. Proposal
TBD
3. Explanation *
As covered in the background information, Steve McCracken of EPRI presented a concern about the misuse of
the current temperbead qualification rules. Apparently both toughness and hardness are being required in Europe
although it was never intended that both be required. The presentation expressed questions about the
qualification using hardness criteria although there are Codes that do not have requirements for toughness and
therefore need the hardness qualification requirements.
None

Flenner, Philip
flnr@aol.com
(269)353-1166
Page 150
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Add P-Number assignment for S38815 alloy
2. Proposal
3. Explanation *
TBD
None

Pischke, Michael
michael.pischke@power.alstom.com
1(423)752-2547
Page 151
UNS S31653
Listed in ASME Section II, Part A Material Specifications:
SA-213 (Seamless Tubes)
SA-240 (Plate, Sheet & Strip)
SA-249 (Welded Tubes)
SA-403 Grade WP S38815 (Piping Fittings)
SA-479 Bars & Shapes

ASTM A959 = Harmonization Standard
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Tables QW-462.10(a), (b), and (c)
2. Proposal
Review the minimum load to failure data for spot and projection welds in Tables QW-462.10(a), (b), and (c)
3. Explanation *
TBD by PM
None

Woelfel, Eugene
woelfele@zhi.com
(210) 588-6304
Page 153
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Revision of QW-404.12, QW-404.23, QW-404.45, and Table QW-257.1
2. Proposal
3. Explanation *
Followup from item 13-727
None

Bernasek, Michal
mbernasek@cspec.com
(925)943-1120
Page 154
Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Nonmandatory Appendix on Guidelines for measurement of Arc Energies
2. Proposal
Add Nonmandatory Appendix on Guidelines for measurement of Arc Energies
3. Explanation *
Make ISO/DTR 18491 "Welding and Allied Processes - Guidelines for measurement of Arc Energies" into a
Nonmandatory Appendix in Section IX
None

Melfi, Teresa
teresa_melfi@lincolnelectric.com
1(216)383-4743
Page 155

Committee: AWS ISAC Address the writer at:
Agenda Item: TC44 Sperko Engineering
Subject: ISO TC44 SC10 4803 Archwood Drive
Date: July 7, 2013 Greensboro, NC 27406
To: Andrew Davis www.sperkoengineering.com
Phone: 336-674-0600 FAX: 336-674-0202
Sperko@asme.org

Copies to: Guido Karcher, Gerry Eisenberg, Frederic Lobinger, Joel Feldstein, Steve
Rossi

Subject: ISO TC44, SC10 meeting Paris, June 26/27, 2013
TC44 SC10 WG12 on Guidelines for the measurement of weld energies on
June 24/25, 2013

Gentlemen:

The following are my observations of the activities of the subject committees.

Summary

The subject committees met at the UNM in Courbevoie (Paris), France. Meetings
were generally successful with revisions to standards proceeding in a manner general-
ly favorable to US practices.

ISO TC 44 SC 10 WG12, Guidelines for the measurement of weld energies

The working group met for two days. Countries represented included the US (3), UK,
Netherlands and France (2).

The document Guidelines for the measurement of weld energies that was drafted by
the French delegation was discussed. The objective of the document is to provide
welding engineers and inspectors with descriptions of the instruments needed for cor-
rectly measuring heat input particularly when using waveform controlled power
sources and how to use those tools correctly. Getting good guidance in this document
is important since ISO 15614-1 has tentatively accepted the same approach to power
measurement that Section IX and B2.1 have adopted.

The original 37 page document contained some information regarding preheating and
interpass temperature control and various appendices containing information found in
other standards and erroneous information regarding use of meters; these were delet-
ed. French delegate Jessy Haouas presented a summary of studies that the Institut de
Soudure had conducted measuring power using volt and ammeters including RMS,
TRMS and compared those to measurements made using high-frequency sampling
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power meters; they found variances of as high as 70%. Unfortunately the work was
contract work and he was unable to release it. Nevertheless, this work reinforced the
need for guidance to engineers, inspectors and welders in selection of the proper
equipment to use when measuring welding power.

One item that was resolved was the use of heat input when what was being meas-
ured was arc energy. The draft uses only arc energy and defines it with a note that
the often-used term heat input is more correctly the arc energy modified by an arc
efficiency factor. ISO 15614-1 will have to be modified for consistency with this ap-
proach as the current draft refers to heat input.

The revised standard was reduced to 9 pages of substance; topics covered included
voltage measurement locations, instruments for measuring arc energy when using
waveform controlled power sources, recommendations on sampling frequency, meas-
urement of travel speed and calibration of meters. An annex providing guidance on
how to convert arc energy measurements made using different types of meters and
power sources was also included. A copy is attached for committee use.

This committees work is complete unless there are significant comments from the
SC10 and TC44 reviews. As a Technical Report, it can be published as soon as it is
approved by TC44, and this is good since that will allow it to be referred to in ISO
15614-1 when it is published.

ISO TC 44 SC 10

The committee met for two days. Countries represented included the US (2), UK (2),
Germany (3), Japan, Romania, United Kingdom, Sweden, France (4), Canada, Fin-
land, Netherlands, Korea and Belgium.

The draft of ISO 15614-1 which covers qualification of welding procedures for steels
and nickel alloys was completed at the last meeting and a Draft International Stand-
ard (DIS) was sent to ISO for balloting in March. There was some discussion about
the performance of ISO in getting work done in a timely fashion, particularly since
ISO recently decreed that DIS ballot time has been reduced from 5 months to 3
months in an effort to speed up standards revisions and updates and the committee
passed a resolution (13/2013) requesting TC44 to protest this move. As noted previ-
ously, the current draft has two levels of qualification; Level 1 closely approximates
ASME Section IX/B2.1 and Level 2 represents the traditional European approach to
qualification of procedures; qualification under Level 2 satisfies all requirements for
Class 1. I will prepare a summary of major changes and recommendations for the
TAG when the DIS is circulated.

The main part of the meeting was to review comments on ISO 15614-7 on overlay
welding. That was completed and it will be circulated for DIS. Work on ISO 15614-8
on comments on tube-to-tube plate welding will be reviewed at the next meeting.

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ISO TC44 SC10 June 2013
Page 3 of 3

ISO TR18491, the work product of WG12 on measuring arc energies discussed above is
to be circulated for DTR parallel ballot.

The next committee meetings will be in conjunction with TC44 in Paris the week of
October 14. Japan has offered to host TC44 meetings July 21/24, 2014 in Tokyo.

Please call if you have questions about the activities of the Committee, please call.

Very truly yours,


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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-409.X
2. Proposal
To examine QW-409.X, specifically the wording over that qualified, to achieve a more Code user friendly set of
rules.
3. Explanation *
In the recent ballot for item 12-1494, Mike Bernasek pointed out the following:

For clarity, please consider removing the words "over that qualified" from the first sentence. What does the word
"qualified" in the first sentence mean? Does it mean the maximum values recorded in the PQR (i.e. tested) ? Or,
does it mean the maximum values specified in the WPS after the 10% increase is factored in (i.e. qualified)?
Removing the words "over that qualified" makes it clear that the 10% increase is applied to the values recorded in
the PQR and not to the maximum permissible values that can be specified in the WPS (i.e. maximum qualified
values). If this is not the case, and instead the intent of the variable is to allow 10% increase over the maximum
values specified in the WPS, then the words "over that specified in the WPS" should be used instead. I'm not
voting negative on the proposed change since my comment applies to the existing wording which will remain
unless it is revised. However, this is an opportunity for a "Code user friendly" clean-up. QW-409.1 suffers the
same problem and should be corrected under new business.

A review of QW-409.X to fully appreciate Mikes comment indicated that there are at least four other instances
where this phrase or equally ambiguous language is used.
None


Newell, William
wfnewell@pobox.com
(704)664-0832

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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QF-142
2. Proposal
Revise QF-142 to include size and specimen length requirements for fused pipe
3. Explanation *
The Elevated Temperature Sustained Pressure Test referenced by QF-142 (ASTM D3035 and F714) is for
pressurizing pipe without fused joints contained within them. We need to specify requirements for using this test
method for testing fused joints. The proposed criteria will ensure that adequate pup lengths are provided between
the joint and the end caps. Also, these ASTM specs permit testing pipe in compression - type fixtures, with
through bolts holding the end caps on. This is not appropriate for testing fused joints, where we need the joint to
see maximum pull pressures; so we will require free-end closures (e.g. fused end caps) on the ends.
Revised QF-142 to include size and specimen length requirements for testing fused pipe

O'Sullivan, J im
jim@o-sullivan.net
1(314)221-1800
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QF-140 EXAMINATIONS AND TESTS

QF-141 VISUAL EXAMINATION
(a) All fused joints shall receive a visual examination of
all accessible surfaces of the fused joint.
(b) Acceptance Criteria (see Figure QF-462 for evaluation
examples)
(1) There shall be no evidence of cracks or incomplete
fusing.
(2) J o i n t s s h a l l exhibit proper fused bead
configuration.
(3) Variations in upset bead heights on opposite sides
of the cleavage and around the circumference of fused
pipe joints are acceptable.
(4) The apex of the cleavage between the upset beads
of the fused joint shall remain above the base material
surface.
(5) The data record for the FPS or fusing machine operator
performance qualification test shall be reviewed
and compared to the FPS to verify observance of the specified
variables applied when completing the fused test
joint.
(6) Fused joints shall not display visible angular misalignment,
and outside diameter mismatch shall be less
than 10% of the nominal wall thickness.
(c) Visual examination results shall be recorded on the
PQR or FPQ.

QF-142 ELEVATED TEMPERATURE SUSTAINED
PRESSURE TESTS FOR PIPE
Elevated temperature sustained pressure tests shall be
performed in accordance with ASTM D3035-08.

QF-143 BEND TESTS
These tests are designed to impart bending stresses to a
butt-fused plastic specimen to evaluate the soundness of
the fused joint.
QF-143.1 Reverse-Bend Test (RBT)
(a) Reverse-bend test specimens shall be cut to a minimum
width of 1.5 times the test coupon thickness for testing
and removed as shown in Figure QF-463(a).
(b) One test specimen shall be bent to place the inside
surface of the joint in tension, and the other test specimen
shall be bent to place the outside surface of the joint in
tension.
(c) The bending process shall ensure the ends of the
specimens are brought into contact with one another.
(d) Testing shall be in accordance with ASTM F2620-09,
Appendix X4.
(e) Test results shall be recorded on the PQR.
QF-143.2 Guided Side-Bend Test (GSBT)
QF-143.2.1 Significance and Use. This test is designed
to impart a bending load on a specimen from a butt
fusion joint to evaluate its soundness. It is intended for
butt fusion joints of HDPE pipe with a wall thickness greater
than 1.0 in. (25 mm).
QF-143.2.2 Test Specimens
(a) Test specimens shall be removed from the fused test
(a)Fusionjointtestspecimensforthe
elevatedsustainedpressuretestshallbe
madewithminimumofIPS8(DN200)DR
11pipe,orthemaximumsizetobefused,
whicheverisless.
(b)Thecompletedspecimensshall
containpipeoneithersideofthejoint
withaminimumlengthof1.5timesthe
pipeoutsidediameteror12in.(305mm),
whicheverisgreater,fromthefusedjoint
tofreeendclosuresoneitherend.
(c)Thetesting
orF71410,asapplicable.
Comment:D3035andF714refertoD1598for
performanceofsustainedpressuretesting.D1598is
writtenfortestingrawpipelengths(notfusedjoints)
andpermitseitherfreeend(suchwasweldcaps)OR
restrainedendtesting(suchastierodconnectedend
caps).Restrainedendtestingwouldtestthefusedjoint
inthehoopdirectiononlynotintheaxialdirection,
whichisneededforfullytestingafusedjoint.
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QG-100: Effective date of Section IX Code Cases
2. Proposal
3. Explanation *
TBD by PM
None

Peetz, Darryl
darryl.peetz@ariseinc.com
1(573)275-0198
Page 167
D Peetz---2/11/14 SC IX Meeting
13-2004 QG-100 para revision for Code Cases. This is to describe the effective date of Section IX Code
Cases, which is rare, and they are at the request of Codes other than the ASME Boiler and Pressure
Vessel Codes.
Add to QG-100 new para (x) but several other items are in process so next letter in passage sequence
should be added by editors.
(x) Code Cases are permissible and may be used, beginning with the date of approval by ASME. Only
Code Cases that are specifically identified as being applicable to this Section may be used. At the time a
Code Case is applied, only the latest revision may be used. Code Cases that have been incorporated into
this Section or have been annulled shall not be used. Qualifications using the provisions of a Code Case
remain valid for the qualifications after the Code Case is annulled. The Code Case number shall be listed
on the qualification record(s). Code Cases may only be used when the Organization responsible for the
qualifications accepts the use of the Code Case and specifies the Code Case number on the qualification
record. If the Code Case is applied to an ASME Boiler and Pressure Code item, the Code Case number
shall be specified on the final Manufacturers Data Report by the Organization.
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; P-No. assignignment to SA-572 and SA-1011
2. Proposal
Assign a P-No. to SA-572 and SA-1011
3. Explanation *
TBD
None


Cutlip, Eric
1(330)860-2637
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132097
A/SA-572 42 60 (415) 1 1 101 1.2 C-Mn-Si Plate, sheet, bar Plate & shapes
A/SA-572 50 65 (450) 1 1 101 1.2 C-Mn-Si Plate, sheet Plate & shapes
A/SA-572 50 65 (450) 1 1 101 1.2 C-Mn-Si Bar Plate & shapes
A/SA-572 55 70 (485) 1 2 101 1.3 C-Mn-Si Plate, sheet, bar
A/SA-572 60 75 (515) 1 2 101 11.1 C-Mn-Si Plate, sheet Plate & shapes
A/SA-572 60 75 (515) 1 2 101 11.1 C-Mn-Si Bar Plate & shapes
A/SA-572 65 80 (550) 1 3 101 11.1 C-Mn-Si Plate, sheet, bar
A/SA-656 T3,T7?-50 60 (415) 1 1 101 C-Mn-Si-V-Cb Plate
A/SA-1011 40 55 (380) 1 1 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 45 55 (380) 1 1 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 36 58 (400) 1 1 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 45 60 (415) 1 1 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 50 60 (415) 1 1 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 50 65 (450) 1 1 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 50 65 (450) 1 1 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 55 65 (450) 1 1 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 55 70 (485) 1 2 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 60 70 (485) 1 2 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
A/SA-1011 60 75 (515) 1 2 101 1.1 C Sheet & strip
NotetoEditor:Allitemslistedinboldredtobeinsertedintotheexistingtable.Theentiretableshallbeinthefollowingsortedorder:
(1)Spec.No.(bynumericvaluewithinA/SAandAprefix,thenbynumericvaluewithineachremainingalphabeticallysortedprefix)
(2)UNSNo.(alphanumericsort)
(3)TypeorGrade(alphanumericsort)
(4)MinimumSpecifiedTensile(bynumericvalue)
Finalsortorderwillbecirculatedinaletterballotpriortothecutoffdeadlineforthe2015edition.
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-200.2(f) and QW-200
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
To evaluate QW-200.2(f) to determine if additional clarification is required for the application of welding variables
when writing and applying a WPS combining two PQR's.
None

Harbison, Lance
1(412)374-2648
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Steven J. Rossi
Subject: FW: QW-200.2(f) and QW-200.4 Interpretation
From: Don Bowers/US/WVC/Weir
To: rossisi@asme.org <rossisi@asme.org>
Cc: "Walter Sperko" <wsperko@bellsouth.net>
Date: 12/04/2013 05:22 PM
Subject: Fw: QW-200.2(f) and QW-200.4 Interpretation

Steve,

Hope you had a great Turkey Day..........(you too Walt)

See the email trail below.

Please assign a Task Group with Phil Van Fosson (Proj. Mgr.), Lance Harbison and Tom Wiesner.

The Task Group charge is to evaluate QW-200.2(f) to determine if additional clarification is required for the application of
welding variables when writing and applying a WPS combining two PQR's.

Thanks..........

Don Bowers
Vice-President, Sales & Marketing
Weir Valves & Controls, USA
29 Old Right Road
T: 978-825-2561 F: 978-741-3626
Cell: 978-380-8240
E: don.bowers@weirgroup.com
www.weirpowerindustrial.com
Visit Weir at MUG/AUG, Booth 201-203, 300-302
MOV/AOV Users Group, J an 13 -17, 2014, J acksonville FL

----- Forwarded by Don Bowers/US/WVC/Weir on 12/04/2013 04:53 PM -----

From: Sperko Walter <wsperko@bellsouth.net>
To: Hinnant Chris <chris@khfab.com>
Cc: Bowers Don <don.bowers@weirgroup.com>
Date: 12/04/2013 03:30 PM
Subject: Re: QW-200.2(f) and QW-200.4 Interpretation

Chris,

You got the idea. Nothing prevents you from combining radically different PQRs, but wham you write the WP,
you have t be careful to specify all the variables and limitation of each PQR, and such a document us not going
to be very welder or welding supervisor friendly.

By copy Im passing this string along to the Qualification SG chair, Don Bowers, for consideration on assigning
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some young eagle to work on it..

Walt

On Dec 3, 2013, at 9:34 PM, Chris Hinnant <chris@khfab.com>wrote:

ThanksforthereplyWalt.Ihadoverlookedthelimitationontheupperend.

So,whatwecantakeawayisthatcombiningPQRsdoesntallowthelimitsofQW451.1,foreitherbasemetalorweldmetal
thicknesses,tobedisregarded.Variablerangescanonlybeadditive(asintheexampleofQW202(f))ifallotherparametersare
identical.

IwonderifitisworthwhiletoclarifythewordingofQW200.2(f)soitisclearthattheexampleforthicknessassumesthatallother
aspectsofthetwoPQRsthatarecombinedareidentical?

Thanks,

ChrisHinnant,P.E.

K&HFabricators,Inc.
POBox695/170LoopRoad
Smithville,TX78957
chris@khfab.com
Office:5122375020x101
Cell:5129068000
Fax:5122372795

From: Sperko Walter [mailto:wsperko@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, December 03, 2013 7:04 PM
To: Hinnant Chris
Cc: Antonio Howard; Troy Kasper
Subject: Re: QW-200.2(f) and QW-200.4 Interpretation

Chris,

IdidhaveagreatThanksgivinghopeyoudid,also.

YouandAntonioneedtoreadtherestofQW200.2regardingapplicationofQW451.QW451establishesbasemetallimitsbased
onthetestcouponthicknessshownonthePQRandthelimitsyouputontheWPScannotexceedthoselimits.

Inyourexample,thebasemetallimitsare1/16to0.494forGTAWand3/16to1.5inchesforFCAW.WhenyouwritetheWPSusing
bothPQRs,youcanspecifytheselimitsforeachprocessifyouallowtheweldertousedeachprocessindependently(asyoudid
below),butwhenyouusebothprocessesononeweld,theGTAWprocesscannotbeusedonmaterialover0.494inchesthickand
theFCAWcannotbeusedonmaterialslessthan3/16inthick.Soyoureffectivebasemetalthicknesslimitis3/16to0.494inches
whenbothprocessessupportedbythesePQRsareincludedinoneWPS.

Iwouldnotethatyourunderlyingassumptionisthatallotheressentialvariables(basemetal,preheat,PWHT,etc.)arethesame.If
youcanignorethelimitationsforthicknesswhenyouhavetwoormorePQRs,thenyoucanignoretheotherrequirements,tooa
PQRonP1materialwithPWHTcombinedwithaP8materialasweldedwouldsupportP1aswelded,resultinginanarchy.

Hopethishelps.

Walt

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OnDec2,2013,at11:46AM,ChrisHinnant<chris@khfab.com>wrote:

Walt,

HopeyouhadagreatThanksgiving.

AntonioHowardandIwerediscussingsomeofthefinerpointsofSectionIX,specifically200.2(f).Wethoughtyoumayhavesome
additionalinputanditcouldbeanopportunitytoclarifythecode.Antonioalsopointedoutaninterpretationregardingthesame
paragraph(seehisemailbelow).

200.2(f)allowsustocombinemultiplePQRsintoasingleWPS.ThisparagraphincludesanexamplewhereintwoPQRsare
combinedtoallowathicknessrangegreaterthanpermittedbyeitherPQRalone.Intheexampleof200.2(f),itseemsessentialthat
thetwoPQRsshouldbeforthesameprocessandidenticalwithexceptiontothethicknessofthecoupon.Otherwise,wecould
combinePQRsforvastlydifferentprocesses/variablesandbeallowedtousethemacrossrangesforwhichtheywerenever
individuallyqualified.Forexample,forimpacttestedwork,wewouldntexpecttobeallowedtouseanonimpacttestedGTAW
processsimplybecauseitwascombinedwithaPQRforFCAWthatwasimpacttested.

Hereisourspecificscenario:
WehavetwoPQRsthatarebeingcombinedintoasingleWPS.ThefirstPQRisGTAWwithaqualifiedbasemetalrangeof0.0625
to0.494.The2
nd
PQRisFCAWwithqualifiedbasemetalrangeof3/16to1.5.ThequestioniswhatthicknessrangeisthisWPS
qualifiedforwhenthesetwoPQRsarecombined?

WebelievetheanswerdependsonwhichoftheprocessesintheWPSactuallygetused.Weseethreescenarios:
1.UsingbothprocessesGTAW+FCAW,thequalifiedrangewouldbe3/16to1.5,withtheGTAWdepositnothickerthan
0.494.
2.UsingonlytheGTAWprocess,thequalifiedrangewouldbe1/16to0.494.
3.UsingonlytheFCAWprocess,thequalifiedrangewouldbe3/16to1.5.

Thanksforyourhelp.

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Thanks,

ChrisHinnant,P.E.

K&HFabricators,Inc.
POBox695/170LoopRoad
Smithville,TX78957
chris@khfab.com
Office:5122375020x101
Cell:5129068000
Fax:5122372795

From: Antonio Howard [mailto:ahoward@thinkcei.com]
Sent: Monday, December 02, 2013 10:14 AM
To: Chris@KHFab.com
Subject: QW-200.2(f) and QW-200.4 Interpretation

Interpretation:IX8606
Subject:SectionIX,QW200.2(f)andQW200.4
DateIssued:September19,1985
File:BC85328

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Question:Doesthecombinationof2PQRs,eachofdifferentprocesses,supportaWPScombiningthetwoprocessesinasingle
joint,withallessentialandsupplementaryessentialvariablesunchanged?

Reply:Yes

Visit CEI at FABTECH 2013, Booth #N2328
November 18-21
fabtechexpo.com

<image002.png>Antonio Howard
<image003.png><image004.png><image005.png>
(800) 473-1976 | (816) 228-2976
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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Bend testing of Aluminum
2. Proposal
Revise Figures QW-466.1 and QW-466.2 as shown in the Proposal File
3. Explanation *
Over many years it has become clear that aluminum bend test specimens do not fare well when tested in coining
or push-through fixtures. To make life easier for our users, this action has been initiated in the AWS D1.2
committee to add a note recommending that aluminum bend test specimens be bent using a wrap-around fixture,
and the following proposes the same change in Section IX.
Revised Figures QW-466.1 and QW-466.2

Beckman, Earl (Bill)
ewbeckman@kc.rr.com
1(913)341-3260

2. Project Manager Notes
An initial attempt to add precautionary verbiage to QW-162.1 was defeated by vote of the Section IX Standards
Committee during the February, 2014 meetings in San Diego.
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(6) Guided-Bend Wrap Around Jig Figure QW-466.3 is the recommended
method of testing aluminum weldments.
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(6) Guided-Bend Wrap Around Jig Figure QW-466.3 is the recommended
(e) Guided-Bend Wrap Around Jig Figure QW-466.3 is the recommended
Record Information
14-42 BPV IX Stds Comm Proposal Rev & Code Case
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Incorporation of Code Cases 2648 and 2653 (UNS N10362)
2. Proposal
1. Add UNS N10362 to QW/QB-422, QW-432 and Appendix D per proposed markup (see C. File Attachments)

2. Annul Code Case 2653 six months after publication
3. Explanation *
UNS N10362 alloy is included in 2010 and 2011 editions of ASTM Bxxx material specifications listed below in
Summary of Changes. In parallel actions, these ASTM specifications are in the process of being adopted by SC II
Part B as ASME SB-xxx specifications. Incorporation of Code Case 2648 assigns P-number 43 to UNS N10362
base metals. Incorporation of Code Case 2653 assigns F-number 43 to UNS N10362 filler metal.
QW/QB-422 and Appendix D revised: Added UNS N10362 for B/SB-462, 564, 574, 575, 619, 622 and 626.
QW-432 revised: Added SFA-5.14 ERNiMoCr-1.

Sturgill, Paul
1(303)435-4338
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43 62Ni-22Mo-15Cr ForAings _
43 ---62Ni-22Mo-15Cr Forgih2s
43 L__62Ni-22Mo-15Cr Rod
43 62Ni-22Mo-15Cr Plate, sheet & strip
43 62Ni-22Mo-15Cr Welded_pipe
43 62Ni-22Mo-15Cr Smls. pipe & tube
43 62Ni-22Mo-15Cr Welded tube
L
--------
1
Table QW/QB-422
Minimum Welding ltrazing
Specified ISO
Spec. No. UNSNo. Grade (MPa) P-No. I' -ti _ Group Nominal Composition Product Form
Nonfernmis
6E/T96574--
_ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
bi6:964 4 N10362 T
B/SB-462 1N10362 T .
T . 105 (725) 1 43
_ _ _ _ _ ..
N10362 ... 105 (725) I 43
B/SB-575 N10362 I ... 105 (7251 1 43
B/SB-619 N10362 I
105(7254 m43
bi6.-22 N10362 -1- 105 (725) L 43
B/SB-626--- N10362 j_ 105 (7 25) I 43
-1-
... .105.1725) 4_ 43
14-42
Note to Editor: Insert all line items into the existing table. The entire table shall be in the following sorted order:
(1) Spec. No. (by numeric value within "B/SB-" and "B" prefix, then by numeric value within each remaining alphabetically sorted prefix)
(2) UNS No. (alpha-numeric sort)
(3) Alloy, Type or Grade (alpha-numeric sort)
(4) Minimum Specified Tensile (by numeric value)
Final sort order will be circulated in a letter ballot prior to the cut -off deadline for the 2015 edition.
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B/S B-575
N10362
43
B/SB-619
N10362
14-42_
2013 SECTION IX
Grp. Type, Grade, or UNS Grp. Type, Grade, or UNS
P-No. No. Spec. No. No. P-No. No. Spec. No. No.
43
43
43
43
43
43
1\.. 4 3
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
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43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
43
44
44
44
Nickel and Nickel-Base Alloys (Cont'd)
43 B/SB-366 N06022
43 B/SB-366 N06035
43 B/SB-366 N06059
43 B/SB-366 N06200
43
B/SB-462
N06022
43
B/SB-462
N06035
43
B/SB-462
N06059
43
B/SB-462
N06200
43
B/SB-462
N06686
43
B/SB-462
N10276
43
A/SA-494
N06040
43 A/SA-494 N26022
43 A/SA-494 N26455
43 A/SA-494 N26625
43 B/SB-516 N06600
43 B/SB-517 N06600
43 B/SB-564 N06022
43 B/SB-564 N06035
43 B/SB-564 N06059
43 B/SB-564 N06200
43 B/SB-564 N06210
43 B/SB-564 N06230
43 B/SB-564 N06600
43 B/SB-564
N 06617
43 B/SB-564
N 06625
43 B/SB-564
N06686
43 B/SB-564
N06690
43 B/SB-564
N10276
B/SB-575 N06686
B/SB-575 N10276
B/SB-619 N06002
B/SB-619 N06022
B/SB-619 N06035
B/SB-619 N06059
B/SB-619 N06200
B/SB-619 N06210
B/SB-619 N06230
B/SB-619 N06455
B/SB-619 N06686
B/SB-619 N10276
B/SB-622 N06002
B/SB-622 N06022
B/SB-622 N06035
B/SB-622 N06059
B/SB-622 N06200
B/SB-622 N06210
B/SB-622 N06230
B/SB-622 N06455
B/SB-622 N06686
B/SB-622 N10276
B/SB-626 N06002
B/SB-626 N06022
B/SB-626 N06035
B/SB-626 N06059
B/SB-626 N06200
B/SB-626 N06210
B/SB-626 N06230
B/SB-626 N06455
B/SB-626 N06686
B/SB-626 N10276
B/SB-704 N06625
B/SB-705 N06625
B/SB-333 N10001
B/SB-333 N10629
B/SB-333 N10665
43
B/S B-622
N10362
43
B/S B-626
N10362
DJLI-.PBS
INU60-43-
Nickel and Nickel-Base Alloys (Cont'd)
43
43
43 B/SB-462 N10362
43 B/S B-564 N10362
43 B/S B-574
N10362
44 B/SB-366 X110242
44 B/SB-366 N10629
44 B/SB-366 N10665
44 B/SB-366 N10675
44 B/SB-434 N10003
44 B/SB-434 N10242
44 B/SB-462 N10629
44 B/SB-462 N10665
44 B/SB-462 N10675
44 A/SA-494 N30007
43
B/SB-572
43
B/SB-572
43 B/SB-574 N06022
43 B/SB-574 N06035
43 B/SB-574 N06059
43 B/SB-574 N06200
43 B/SB-574 N06210
43 B/SB-574 N06455
43 B/SB-574 N06686
43 B/SB-574 N10276
43 B/SB-575
N06022
43 B/SB-575
N06035
43 B/SB-575
N06059
43 B/SB-575
N 06200
43 B/SB-575
N06210
43 B/SB-575
N06455
N06002
N06230
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T able QW-432
F-Numbers
Grouping of Electrodes and Welding Rods for Qualification (Cont'd)
F-No. ASME Specification AWS Classification UNSNo.
Nickel and Nickel Alloys (Cont'd)
43 SFA-5.14 ERNiCr-4 N06072
43 SFA-5.14 ERNiCr-6 N06076
43 SFA-5.14 ERNiCr-7 N06073
43 SFA-5.14 ERNiCrCoMo-1 N06617
43 SFA-5.14 ERNiCrFe-5 N06062
43 SEA-5.14 ERNiCrFe-7A N06054
43 SFA-5.14 ERNiCrFeAI-1 N06693
43 SFA-5.14 ERNiCrMo-2 N06002
43 SFA-5.14 ERNiCrWMo-1 NO6231
43
SPA -S-14
saNiMoCt--I
NI0362.
43 SFA-5.30 IN52 N06052
43 SFA-5.30 1N62 N06062
43 SFA-5.30 IN6A N07092
43 SFA-5.30 IN82 N06082
43 SFA-5.34 All classifications
44 SFA-5.11 ENiMo-1 W80001
44 SFA-5.11 ENiMo-3 W80004
44 SFA-5.11 ENiMo-7 W80665
44 SFA-5.11 ENiMo-8 W80008
44 SFA-5.11 ENiMo-9 W80009
44 SFA-5.11 ENiMo-10 W80675
44 SFA-5.11 ENiMo-11 W80675
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-1 N10001
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-2 N10003
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-3 N10004
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-7 N10665
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-8 N10008
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-9 N10009
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-10 N10675
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-11 N10629
44 SFA-5.14 ERNiMo-12 N10242
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(f) The butt-fusing gauge pressure shall be the
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Steven J. Rossi
From: PISCHKE Michael <michael.pischke@power.alstom.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2014 6:41 AM
To: Sperko Walter
Cc: Steven J. Rossi
Subject: RE: AWS B2.2 E4 WD-1
Walt,
Dowehaveanitemnumberforthisyet?
MikePischke
QualityandProcessImprovementDirector
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Sent: Monday, February 03, 2014 5:49 PM
To: Nywening, Alan R (E P GT GN EN GD CLT)
Cc: PISCHKE Michael
Subject: Re: AWS B2.2 E4 WD-1

Alan,

Great. Thanks for the feedback. My observations are attached. Hopefully SGB will consider some of the approaches in it.

Walt

On Feb 3, 2014, at 11:35 AM, Nywening, Alan R (E P GT GN EN GD CLT) <alan.nywening@siemens.com>wrote:

>Hello Walt,
>
>This looks like a good document. There are a couple of editorial things that I noticed in a quick read over.
>
> - There seems to be two standards for the inspection using magnification. Paragraphs 4.2.1, 4.2.7.3 and 5.3.5.2 call out "3 to 10
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power" while 4.2.5.2 and 5.3.3.2 call out "at least a four-power magnifying glass". Was this difference intentional?
>
> - Paragraph 4.3.5.4 states that a change from preplaced filler to mechanical or manually-fed filler and "Vice Versa". Paragraph
5.4.4.3 does not contain the Vice Versa. Again, is this intentional?
>
> - In paragraph 4.3.12, item (1) requires requalification for a change in clearance "greater than 0.001". However items (2) and
(3) do not have the Greater Than requirement, so I could change the clearance to anything I want as long as it isn't 0.002" or 0.003"
respectively.
>
>I know, picky picky picky.
>
>See you in San Diego and again in Berlin
>
>With best regards
>Mit freundlichen Gren
>
>Alan
>
>Alan Nywening
>Product Safety & Regulatory Compliance Engr
>Siemens Energy, Inc.
>E P GT GN EN GD CLT
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>Sent: Friday, J anuary 31, 2014 10:42 PM
>To: Nywening, Alan R (E P GT GN EN GD CLT)
>Subject: AWS B2.2 E4 WD-1
>
>Hi,
>
>Please find attached a working draft revision of the subject document. I note several things: There is a system for grouping base
metals that is more technically sound for brazing than what we have; see Annex B, P42 and the listing (which is already done). There
is a table of base metal cross-qualification on page 24. The proposal on variables for PBHT makes sense; our current requirements
read like they were written by a bunch of welding guys. There is a new bend test for butt joints. There is a table on brazing positions
on page 24. I suggest you look at the proposal and steal the good ideas, keeping in mind that B2.2 should be pretty much the same as
Section IX's brazing rules.
>
>Walt
>
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Topical Report of the Welding Task Group
Welding Codes and Standards for Nuclear Power Plants: Recommendations
for Improvements

November 5, 2013

Contact:
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Email: siewertt@gmail.com

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Email: casandra.robinson@nist.gov

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Preparation of This Report
This report was prepared by the Nuclear Energy Standards Coordination Collaborative (NESCC)
Welding Task Group. Membership on the task group was open to all interested nuclear power
plant stakeholders, and members and their organizations are listed in Table 1. The task group
was chaired by Tom Siewert of the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST),
Boulder CO (USA).
Table 1. Membership of the Welding Task Group
Name Organization
Annette Alonso America Welding Society (AWS)
Mike Bernasek C-SPEC
Tom Boyce U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission (NRC)
Denis Clark Idaho National Laboratory (Ret.)/AWS volunteer
Dana Couch Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI)
Kurt Cozens NRC
Andrew Davis AWS
David Failla NRC
J ames Fekete National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST)
Shane Findlan CBI
Phil Flenner Flenner Engr. Services, LLC (ASME Volunteer) (supported by
EPRI)
J effery Fluckiger Battle Energy Alliance, Idaho National Laboratory (INL)
Greg Fredrick EPRI
Mike Gase J ohn E. Green Company
J ohn Gayler AWS
Heather Gilmer Tampa Tank Inc./ Florida Structural Steel (TTI-FSS)
Stan Gingrich URS Corporation
Harold Gray NRC
Ross Hancock AWS
Ed Herderick Edison Welding Institute (EWI)
Blake Hobson Image Industries, Inc.
Richard Holdren Arc Specialties, Inc.
Mark Holland PV Steel Industries
J eff Hufsey AWS
Ted Hutton Arkema
Dale Ison Tampa Tank Inc./ Florida Structural Steel (TTI-FSS)
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Name Organization
Steven J ones Rolls-Royce
Dan Kaufman American Institute of Steel Construction (AISC)
Steve Knostman Hobart Brothers Company
J Lawmon AEMI
Steve Levesque EWI
Stephen Liu Colorado School of Mines
Paul May National Fire Protection Association (NFPA)
Bob MeierHoff Bendtec Inc.
J im Merrill AMEC
Michael Moles Olympus NDT
Clyde Morell NRC
J eff Noruk Servo Robot Corp.
Alan Patterson TWI Ltd.
Sayee Raghunathan TWI
Casandra Robinson NIST
J im Sekely Consultant, Welding Services Inc.
Abhijit Sengupta NRC
Eric Sjerve IRISNDT
Tom Siewert NIST (Ret.)/ AWS Volunteer
Michael Sloan International Training Institute for the Sheet Metal and Air
Conditioning Industry
J eff Sowards NIST
Walt Sperko Sperko Engineering Services
Phillip Temple eNergy Wise Consulting, LLC (DTE Energy Retired; AWS
Volunteer)
Ambler Thompson NIST
J ulio Tolaiai Alstom
Chuck Violand Scott Process
Paul Woollin TWI

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Table of Contents
1. Background .............................................................................................................................. 1
2. Key Issues ................................................................................................................................ 1
2.1. Need to eliminate inconsistencies between codes and standards in procedure and welder
qualifications. ................................................................................................................... 1
2.2. Need for personnel certification of Welding Engineers. .................................................. 2
2.3. Need for qualification of Welding Supervisors or Welding Coordinators....................... 2
2.4. Need to make better use of the inspection capabilities of phased array technology. ....... 2
2.5. Need to make repair decisions based on fitness-for-service assessments. ....................... 3
3. Recommendations ................................................................................................................... 3
3.1. Harmonize procedures and welder qualifications. ........................................................... 3
3.2. Expand the options for welding engineer certification within the U.S. ........................... 4
3.3. Expand the personnel certification of welding supervisors. ............................................ 5
3.4. Expand the allowed application of phased array ultrasonic testing (PAUT) inspection
within codes. .................................................................................................................... 5
3.5. Make more repair decisions based on fitness-for-service assessments. ........................... 5
4. Responsible Parties .................................................................................................................. 6
5. References ............................................................................................................................... 6

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1. Background
The goal of the Welding Task Group was to develop a list of welding codes and standards for
nuclear construction and repair that merit attention, together with specific examples of what
aspects should be addressed. This included identifying changes that should occur in current
codes and standards to make them more streamlined (i.e., easier to read and follow, reduced
construction times) and safer (i.e., more precise control of key parameters) as well as
pointing out technical advances that have occurred since their last major revision and should
be addressed within the standards. The list of needs was based on data collected from users
of the standards, specifically those who construct nuclear plants or will be the eventual
owners with responsibility for repairs. Then, the technology specialists on the committee
were able to identify the organizations that could respond to these needs.
The inaugural meeting of the Welding Task Group was held in November 2011, and 15
meetings were held to develop this report. The task group began with 10 members but soon
grew to over 50 as specialists were added to address emerging topics. Minutes of the
meetings and other task group documents are available in the NESCC document library
within the Welding Task Group folder, which may be found at:
http://publicaa.ansi.org/sites/apdl/NESCCDocs/Forms/welding.aspx
Welding is central to nuclear construction and repair activities, and the considerable volume
of code language devoted to welding indicates how crucial it can be in terms of inspection,
fitness for service, and the response of materials to design and out-of-design loads and
environments. While welds may comprise only about 1% of the structure on a volume basis,
the labor and technology necessary to produce them comprises at least 10% of the cost of the
final structure. Welding costs can be such a large component of plant construction and
maintenance that they drive the development of innovative processes and techniques to
increase effective deposition rates, increase weld quality, and decrease weld time. Also, just
as a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, the integrity of a structure depends equally on
the properties of the base material, the weld, and the heat affected zone. Thus, substantial
effort must be given to understanding the properties of the weld and the interaction between
the weld and the base material within the heat affected zone.
This topical report lists key issues and recommendations identified by the task group.
Further details and the basis for this report may be found in the aforementioned Welding
Task Group folder.

2. Key Issues
The task group identified five key issues that need to be addressed:
2.1. Need to eliminate inconsistencies between codes and standards in procedure and
welder qualifications.
Frequently asked questions include: Why do we need to repeatedly requalify to prove
what we already know? Why must we substantially repeat a test to meet the minor
nuances of different codes? Such repetition could be greatly reduced through
harmonizing the approaches taken within the various codes used for nuclear plant
construction and repair, such as those used by American Society of Mechanical
Engineers (ASME) Boiler and Pressure Vessel Code (BPVC) Section IX and the
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American Welding Society (AWS) B2.1 and D1 committees and various subcommittees.
Following harmonization of approaches, new standard welding procedures could be
developed that contain certain key property categories not covered in existing standard
welding procedures. Addressing these two issues would facilitate harmonization of
welder qualification.
2.2. Need for personnel certification of Welding Engineers.
There is a drive toward better documentation of the certification and training of personnel
(such as what has happened within International Organization for Standardization (ISO)
requirements), yet serious gaps remain within the United States (U.S.) system. In fact, the
Professional Engineering (PE) registration in welding was discontinued in the past few
years due to low participation by the states. Should this registration be reinstated? Does
AWSs Certified Welding Engineer (CWEng) program meet this need, or should it be
modified? If a PE in a discipline other than welding signs off on an entire structure during
the design phase, how can those with welding expertise who advise the lead PE be
identified, and what certification is necessary to demonstrate their competence?
2.3. Need for qualification of Welding Supervisors or Welding Coordinators.
Many individuals whose companies have given them the title of Welding Supervisor or
Welding Coordinator do not have a welding background and would have difficulty in
achieving PE or CWEng registration. Yet, they need a training and certification route that
would allow them to establish and then prove their competence. During the late 1980s
and 1990s, the industry experienced a reduction in the number of people entering
construction in general and welding in particular. As a result, there exists a shortage of
craftspeople in the 35 to 55 age range. Selection of those to be moved into welding
supervisory positions should be tied to achieving some qualification level and recognition
of this qualification by the welding codes.
2.4. Need to make better use of the inspection capabilities of phased array technology.
The dominant standards development organization in phased array codes is ASME, in
association with other standards bodies (e.g., ASTM International, American Petroleum
Institute (API)). ASME recently published a full series of mandatory automated
ultrasonic testing (AUT) and phased array appendices in Section V (NDE). These now
cover most aspects of AUT (including time-of-flight-diffraction [TOFD]) and are
specifically aimed at boiler and piping weld inspections. The three new AUT appendices
essentially replace ASME Code Case 2235 but are significantly easier to read and
understand; however, they do not include acceptance criteria as these will be developed
in other ASME reference sections.
Some feel that AWS has been slower in the inclusion of AUT and needs to expand its
use, although changes are currently being balloted in AWS D1.1 and D1.5. Presently, the
D1.1 inspection code mentions phased array as an example of advanced ultrasonic
systems, but the section is vague and does not specify manual or S-scan. Phased array
could reasonably be assumed to be covered by Annex S (although the code doesnt
explicitly say so), and that annex does rely on manual methods. It would be beneficial if
the treatment and requirements in D1.1 are made very similar to those in the BPVC, so
users do not have to follow different procedures.
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2.5. Need to make repair decisions based on fitness-for-service assessments.
Currently, many repair decisions are made on workmanship standards, where
accept/reject decisions are based on appearance by visual testing and nondestructive
examination (NDE) results, primarily radiographic testing (RT) but sometimes UT.
However, unnecessary repairs often introduce additional damage that can be the source
for later failures during service. Switching to repair decisions based on quantitative
engineering calculations (such as fracture mechanics) rather than workmanship standards
(based on appearance) would result in only necessary repairs being made and provide a
quantitative measure of expected performance, rather than just accept/reject.
While some of the technical issues are already under code committee consideration in
ASME BPVC Section III, API 579, AWS D1.1, and AWS D1.5, more can be added, and
the approaches should be consistent with each other. This is applicable both to
construction of new plants and repair of existing plants.

3. Recommendations
The task group is providing five recommendations to address the previously noted key
issues:
3.1. Harmonize procedures and welder qualifications.
3.1.1. Develop a strong liaison between the AWS B2 committee (which is well aligned with
ASME Section IX) and the AWS D1 committee so their welding procedure philosophies
and requirements could be as similar as possible or, ideally, be identical.
Repetition in procedure development can be greatly reduced through harmonizing the
approaches taken within the various codes used for nuclear plant construction and repair.
An innovative approach toward harmonization has already occurred within certain ISO
welding standards using an approach titled cohabitation, where two or more well-
established regional procedures have both been incorporated within a single ISO
standard, without having to select from among the competing approaches.
The path to effective and successful harmonization of ASME BPVC Section IX/AWS B2
and AWS D1 qualification requirements is achievable provided more than one committee
volunteer
1
participates in the shaping of all three standards. At least one volunteer from
a utility (preferably the owner of both nuclear and non-nuclear facilities), one from the
architect/engineer/construction industry, and one from the general user category
representing a cross-section of the entire industrial spectrum of qualification code users
should be encouraged to proactively attend all ASME BPVC Section IX/AWS B2 and
AWS D1.1 meetings and work toward harmonization
2
.
3.1.2. Develop new standardized welding procedures and expand the scope of existing
procedures so that individual companies do not need to develop their own procedures.
1
The committee volunteer is currently Mike Bernasek of C-SPEC.
2
Mike Bernasek of C-SPEC is an example of an individual that fits this profile.
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This might be funded by having the AWS B2 and D1 committees develop a joint
proposal to the ASME Foundation
3
. While existing standardized welding procedures
have saved companies millions of dollars over the past 20 or so years, additional welding
procedures need to be developed that contain property categories, such as toughness
requirements for welds in carbon and low alloy steels and delta ferrite (FN) requirements
(RG 1.31) and sensitization limits (RG 1.44) for welds in austenitic stainless steels. While
there is some disagreement within the Welding Task Group of how many additional
standard procedures are needed and how many companies would use them, there is
enough interest to propose some forum where this topic can be discussed among a much
larger number of potential users.
3.1.3. Develop uniform (maybe even standardized) procedures for welder qualification, so that
one approach works for both ASME and AWS codes.
This issue of welder qualification is closely related to the two issues mentioned
previously and should be harmonized as well. In fact, many of the same people work on
all three of these issues in the committees, and it has been recommended that these issues
be addressed in the sequence listed here.
3.2. Expand the options for welding engineer certification within the U.S.
This would allow engineers of different backgrounds to demonstrate an appropriate level
of competence for various applications. Perhaps the most difficult certification to achieve
has been the welding PE license. The welding PE test given through the Ohio State
University was dropped a few years ago because too few states were participating to meet
the requirements of the national board (NCEES). However, there is a drive within AWS
to find a way to reinstitute it. For most welding engineers, signing design documents as
the responsible engineer is not going to occur. Therefore, consideration should be given
to the role of the welding engineer as a required input into designs but not as the engineer
who will affix their PE stamp as the responsible design engineer. An alternate approach
to certification is to modify the AWS CWEng certification to bring it more in line with
international requirements. A third approach is to develop a practical welding engineering
certificate for those who have been assigned to serve as the active welding engineer for
their organization but do not have a traditional welding engineering background. All
three of these approaches should be followed as they really address different aspects of
the demand.
Also, welding needs to be considered during the design phase. Many organizations only
consider welding when it is time to qualify procedures and welders, and this has created
many issues within manufacturing and construction where proper input has not been
provided to avoid problems. Raising the awareness of organizations to the importance of
welding and the professionalism of welding engineers is vitally important. AWS B5.16,
Specification for the Qualification of Welding Engineers is a start, but this should be
driven by an industry need to increase acceptance and engineers pursuit of this
qualification. One industry that has adopted a standard is nuclear power. The Institute of
Nuclear Power Operations (INPO) published EPG-17, Engineering Program Guide
Welding Program. This is a good practice that all operating nuclear power plants are
3
The ASME Foundation funds research to make the application of ASME codes more efficient.
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expected by INPO to adopt. The guide identifies the essential elements or features of
an integrated welding program for nuclear power plants. The main focus is on the
overall programmatic aspects of welding in a nuclear plant, but it does address the other
essential areas of staff experience and expertise, qualification, and training. For a welding
engineer, the initial qualification requirements for college and years of experience exceed
those of the AWS standard and then add to those requirements other areas of knowledge,
such as codes and standards, NRC requirements, NDE, metallurgy, etc. The good practice
then returns to what a program should encompass. This, like every other standard, does
not address the fact that welding begins with designing structures, systems, and
components (SSC) for weldability and metallurgical issues, factors that can exert a large
influence on the service life of SSCs.
3.3. Expand the personnel certification of welding supervisors.
Training opportunities should be increased for welding supervisory positions, especially
for new supervisors who do not have a welding background, and recognition of the
qualification of welding supervisors should be inserted into the welding codes. Much of
the work already exists in documents, such as AWS B5.9, Specification for the
Qualification of Welding Supervisors and ISO 14731, Welding Coordination Tasks
and Responsibilities. Both of these standards contain criteria for experience and
knowledge about welding processes, consumables, base materials, equipment, safety,
welding instructions, procedures and practices, qualification, inspection, report
preparation, and related codes and standards. The AWS Welding Supervisor program
can be found at http://www.aws.org/certification/CWS/. Also, INPO EPG-17 should be
referenced for information that addresses supporting welding staff members, such as
qualification test supervisor and planners.
3.4. Expand the allowed application of phased array ultrasonic testing (PAUT)
inspection within codes.
The capabilities of PAUT inspection continue to expand, and fabricators and repair
contractors should be able to take advantage of them so the advanced inspection
capabilities and economies of automated inspection can be applied to a wider range of
welds in nuclear applications. The latest PAUT equipment can more precisely
discriminate the characteristics of buried indications and in a range of orientations. Not
only does this technology promise improved quality of inspection, but it allows more
rapid inspection as well, reducing downtime of emergency repairs. The success of PAUT
is dependent on the quality of the equipment and systems set up. When applied correctly,
the interpretation of the data can be very straightforward. PA applications may produce
either non-encoded or encoded data, where the indication is coordinated with its location.
3.5. Make more repair decisions based on fitness-for-service assessments.
Currently many repair decisions are made on workmanship standards; cosmetic repairs
(those having no effect on the service life or performance) often introduce additional
damage that can be the source for later failures during service. Switching to repair
decisions based on quantitative engineering calculations, such as fracture mechanics,
would result in only necessary repairs being made.

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4. Responsible Parties
The first three recommendations (on the topic of procedure and welder qualification) fall
within the domain of ASME BPVC Section IX and AWS B2.1 and D1 committees. The first
step is to develop better liaison between the groups and then search for ways to bring the
requirements into closer alignment.
The recommendations to expand Welding Engineering and Welding Supervisor certification
fall mostly within AWS. Changes to the CWEng program are apparently being addressed
within the AWS Technical Activities Committee. A Special Committee established by the
AWS Board is considering how to expand training for the welding engineers assigned that
responsibility but lacking a welding background. Likely this responsibility will be assigned
to the AWS Education Committee. The activity to reinstate the PE certificate in welding
4

may or may not be steered through an AWS committee. The need to include a broader
consideration of welding, starting in the design phase, is an issue that should be addressed in
the higher-level requirements, probably within the ASME code or the NRC regulations.
The recommendation to expand the allowed application of PAUT inspection falls mostly
within the AWS D1 committees and the Electric Power Research Institute (EPRI), with input
from the phased array equipment developers and suppliers.
The recommendation to make more repair decisions based on fitness-for-service assessments
is more applicable to AWS codes, but ASME should continue to monitor new advances in
this technology and expand applications as appropriate.

5. References

API 579-1, Fitness-for-Service, American Petroleum Institute, 2007.
ASME Boiler & Pressure Vessel Code, 2010 Edition, Section III, Rules for Construction of
Nuclear Facility Components, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 2010.
ASME Boiler & Pressure Vessel Code, 2010 Edition, Section V, Nondestructive
Examination, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 2010.
ASME Boiler & Pressure Vessel Code, 2010 Edition, Section IX, Welding and Brazing
Qualifications, American Society of Mechanical Engineers, 2010.
ASME Code Case 2235-9, ASME Boiler & Pressure Vessel Code, Sections I, VIII and XII,
Use of Ultrasonic Examination in Lieu of Radiography, American Society of Mechanical
Engineers, 2005.
AWS B2.1, Base Metal Grouping for Welding Procedure and Performance Qualification,
American Welding Society, 2009.
4
The effort to reinstate the PE welding certificate program is being led by Richard Holdren of Arc Specialties, Inc.
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AWS B5.9, Specification for the Qualification of Welding Supervisors, American Welding
Society, 2006.
AWS B5.16, Specification for the Qualification of Welding Engineers, American Welding
Society, 2006.
AWS D1.1, Structural Welding Code, American Welding Society, 2010.
AWS D1.5, Bridge Welding Code, American Welding Society, 2002.
EPG-17, Engineering Program Guide Welding Program, Institute of Nuclear Power
Operators, 2009.
ISO 14731, Welding Coordination Tasks and Responsibilities, International Organization
for Standardization, 2006.
Regulatory Guide 1.31, Control of Ferrite Content in Stainless Steel Weld Metal, Nuclear
Regulatory Commission, 2013.
Regulatory Guide 1.44, Control of the Processing and Use of Stainless Steel, Nuclear
Regulatory Commission, 2011.
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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Definition of Special Positions
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
TBD by PM
None


Sturgill, Paul
1(303)435-4338
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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-304 - UT Volumetric Examination
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
TBD by PM
None


Lee, J onathan
J onLee@chevron.com
1(713)372-7161
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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QG-104 and QW-301.4, Information to Be Included On WPQ
2. Proposal
Revise QG-104 and QW-301.4 to clarify that the WPS used for the performance qualification test is to be
recorded on the WPQ and that the WPQ is to be certified as meeting the requirements of Section IX. Attached is a
marked up proposal for the Committees consideration.
3. Explanation *
At the 2/10 11/2014 meetings of SG Qualification and BPV IX, an interpretation was passed stating that listing
the WPS used for the performance qualification test on the WPQ was not required. In reviewing the subject
paragraphs, I also noted that it is not an explicit rule that the WPQ be certified as meeting the rules of Section IX. I
agree that this is correct as the rules are currently written; however I do not think this is the intent of Section IX.
Revised QG-104 and QW-301.4 to clarify that the WPS used for the performance qualification is on be listed on
the WPQ. Also, the WPQ is to state that the test was in accordance with the rules of Section IX.

Pillow, J ames
jpillow@commonarc.com
1(860)688-2531

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QG-104, QW-301.4
Clarify WPQ Requirements

PRESENT PROPOSED
QG-104 PERFORMANCE
QUALIFICATION
RECORD
The performance qualification record
documents what occurred during the
production of a test coupon by a person using
one or more joining processes following an
organizations procedure specification. As a
minimum, the record shall document the
essential variables for each process used to
produce the test coupon, the ranges of
variables qualified, and the results of the
required testing and/or nondestructive
examinations. The organization shall certify a
performance qualification record by a
signature
or other means as described in the
organizations Quality Control System. and
shall make the performance qualification
record accessible to the Authorized Inspector.
QG-104 PERFORMANCE
QUALIFICATION
RECORD
The performance qualification record
documents what occurred during the
production of a test coupon by a person using
one or more joining processes following an
organizations procedure specification.
As a minimum, the record shall document the
procedure specification used, the essential
variables for each process used to produce the
test coupon, the ranges of variables qualified,
and the results of the required testing and/or
nondestructive examinations. The
organization shall state on the record that the
performance qualification test was in
accordance with the requirements of this
Section and certify the record by a signature
or other means as described in the
organizations Quality Control System. The
performance qualification record shall be
accessible to the Authorized Inspector.

QW-301.4 Record of Tests.

The record of Welder/Welding Operator
Performance Qualification (WPQ) tests
shall include the essential variables (QW-350
or QW-360), the type of test and test results,
and the ranges qualified in accordance with
QW-452 for each welder and welding
operator. Suggested forms for these records
are given in Forms QW-484A/QW-484B (see
Nonmandatory Appendix B).

QW-301.4 Record of Tests.

The record of Welder/Welding Operator
Performance Qualification (WPQ) tests shall
include the welding procedure specification
used for the test, the essential variables (QW-
350 or QW-360), the type of test and test
results, and the ranges qualified in accordance
with QW-452 for each welder and welding
operator. The record shall be certified as
required by QG-104. Suggested forms for
these records are given in Forms QW-
484A/QW-484B (see Nonmandatory
Appendix B).

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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Addition of S31266 Superaustenitic Stainless Steel
2. Proposal
Add S31266 Superaustenitic Stainless Steel to QW/QB-422 and Appendix D
3. Explanation *
New superaustenitic stainless steel material for Section VIII, Div. 1 and 2 Code Construction.

S31266 Base Material is quenched or rapidly cooled from 2085-2138F (1140-1170C). PWHT is neither required
nor prohibited, but if performed shall be the same as Base Material. Normally it is expected that it will be used in
the as-welded condition.

Approve assignment of UNS S31266 to P. No. 8, Group 4 for both welding procedure and performance
qualifications. Approve QW/QB-422 and Nonmandatory Appendix D P-Number Listings page mark-ups as shown
in the Proposal file.

Welding data including WPS and PQR, summaries of test results, etc. are in 14-395 Background Material.

Section VIII Record 14-358 requests simultaneous code case action.
Added S31266 Superaustenitic Stainless Steel to QW/QB-422 and Appendix D

Gingrich, Stan
(719)651-5464
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14-414 BPV IX Stds Comm Proposal Code Case
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; SiC Code Case
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
TBD
None

Sperko, Walter
sperko@asme.org
1(336)674-0600
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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-171 - Impact Testing
2. Proposal
Revise QW-171
3. Explanation *
Background: UG-84(b) of ASME Section VIII, Division 1 reads as follows:

UG-84 CHARPY IMPACT TESTS

(a) General. Charpy V?notch impact tests in accordance with the provisions of this paragraph shall be made on
weldments and all materials for shells, heads, nozzles, and other vessel parts subject to stress due to pressure
for which impact tests are required by the rules in Subsection C.

(b) Test Procedures
(1) Impact test procedures and apparatus shall conform to the applicable paragraphs of SA-370 or ISO 148 (Parts
1, 2, and 3).

However, UW-28 of Section VIII, Division 1 requires welding procedures be qualified to ASME Section IX. UG-84
sort of implies that welding procedure qualifications may be part of the term weldments. In addition, ASME
Section VIII paragraphs for carbon and low alloy steel (UCS-67) and high alloy steel (UHA-51) refer to UG-84 for
Charpy-V testing of welding procedures.
Revised QW-171


Peetz, Darryl
1(573)275-0198

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Boiler Inspection and Insurance Company RRG

March 4, 2014

Steve Rossi, Secretary ASME Section IX
ASME International
NY, NY

The following question has come up regarding Impact Testing. It would like to ask
consideration of a Code Revision.

Background: UG-84(b) of ASME Section VIII, Division 1 reads as follows:

UG-84 CHARPY IMPACT TESTS

(a) General. Charpy Vnotch impact tests in accordance
with the provisions of this paragraph shall be made on
weldments and all materials for shells, heads, nozzles,
and other vessel parts subject to stress due to pressure
for which impact tests are required by the rules in Subsection
C.
(b) Test Procedures
(1) Impact test procedures and apparatus shall conform
to the applicable paragraphs of SA-370 or ISO 148
(Parts 1, 2, and 3).

However, UW-28 of Section VIII, Division 1 requires welding procedures be qualified to ASME
Section IX. UG-84 sort of implies that welding procedure qualifications may be part of the term
weldments. In addition, ASME Section VIII paragraphs for carbon and low alloy steel (UCS-67)
and high alloy steel (UHA-51) refer to UG-84 for Charpy-V testing of welding procedures.

Subject: ASME Section IX, para. QW-171.1

Revise QW-171.1 as follows:

Present Revision to add

QW-171.1 General. Charpy V-notch impact or ISO 148 pars 1, 2 and 3 when permitted
tests shall be made when required by other Sections. by the referencing Code. Other standards
Test procedures and apparatus shall conform to may also be used for testing, when the
the requirements of SA-370. referencing code or standard permits it.

Grand Bay I
7000 South
Edgerton
Suite 100
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Darryl K. Peetz

Darryl K. Peetz, Sr. Technical Specialist
220 Blueberry Lane
J ackson, MO 63755
Cell Phone: 573-275-0198

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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-403.3
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
TBD
None

Harbison, Lance
1(412)374-2648
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Steven J. Rossi
From: Don.Bowers@weirgroup.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2014 4:31 AM
To: Steven J. Rossi
Subject: Fw: QW-403.3 question
Attachments: SecureZIP Attachments.zip
Hi Steve,

Please assign an item number. Assign Lance Harbison the Project Manager with a Task Group of Phil Van Fosson and
Mike Rice.

Don Bowers
29 Old Right Road
T: 978-825-2561 F: 978-741-3626
Cell: 978-380-8240

----- Forwarded by Don Bowers/US/WVC/Weir on 03/11/2014 04:29 AM -----

From: "Harbison, Lance S." <harbisls@westinghouse.com>
To: "Don.Bowers@weirgroup.com" <Don.Bowers@weirgroup.com>, PISCHKE Michael <michael.pischke@power.alstom.com>
Cc: Sperko Walter <wsperko@bellsouth.net>
Date: 03/10/2014 09:17 AM
Subject: RE: QW-403.3 question

Gents,

In2010,QW403.3specificallyaddressedweldswithbackingandpartialpenwelds(however,Icanseewhy(b)wasdeletedsinceit
permittedthickerweldstobemadethanwasqualified).Now,in2013QW403.3beginswithasentenceaboutfullpensinglesided
weldswithoutbackingandthisisbeinginterpretedtobethesubjectoftheentireparagraph.

MypointisweldswithbackingorpartialpenweldsarenolongerspecificallyaddressbyQW403.3(norelsewhereforlaserwelding).

Ithereforewouldliketoproposerevisedwording:

QW-403.3 (a) For full penetration singlesided welds
without backing, where the measurement of penetration
can be made by visual or mechanical means, requalification
is required when the base metal thickness is more
than 20% thicker than that qualified when the test coupon
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thickness is 1 in. (25 mm) and under, and more than 10%
thicker when the test coupon thickness is over 1 in.
(25 mm).
(b) Where the measurement of penetration cannot
be made for welds with backing and partial penetration welds,
requalification is required when the base metal
thickness is more than 10% thicker than that qualified
when the test coupon thickness is 1 in. (25 mm) and under,
and more than 5% thicker when the test coupon
thickness is over 1 in. (25 mm).

Lance

LanceHarbison
PrincipalEngineer
EE&MP/PSDR/MCOE

WestinghouseElectricCompany
CWHQBldg3,207K
CranberryTwp,PA16066,USA
Phone:+1(412)3742648

From: Don.Bowers@weirgroup.com [mailto:Don.Bowers@weirgroup.com]
Sent: Monday, March 10, 2014 8:45 AM
To: PISCHKE Michael
Cc: Harbison, Lance S.; Sperko Walter

I remember it the same way as Mike Pischke.

Is there a current problem with the words?

Don Bowers
29 Old Right Road
T: 978-825-2561 F: 978-741-3626
Cell: 978-380-8240

From: PISCHKE Michael <michael.pischke@power.alstom.com>
To: Sperko Walter <wsperko@bellsouth.net>, "Harbison, Lance S." <HarbisLS@westinghouse.com>
Cc: Bowers Don <don.bowers@weirgroup.com>
Date: 03/10/2014 06:44 AM

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Walt/Lance,

IbelievethatthosehighlightedwordscamefromwhenweinitiallyincorporatedtheLBWlapjointweldgeometryintotheCode.It
describesthecircumstancewhenfullpenetrationisintendedandqualified,butcannotbeverifiedinproduction.Imaybewrong,
butIdontthinkitwasintendedfortheapplicationofintentionalordesignedpartialpenetrationwelds.

Havingsaidthat,Idontseewhyitwouldnotbeequallyapplicable.

Ihopethishelps,

MikePischke
QualityandProcessImprovementDirector
ChattanoogaBoilerOperations
AlstomPower,Inc.
1119RiverfrontParkway
Chattanooga,TN37402
Office:4237522547
Mobile:8048746634
Fax:4237522239

Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2014 7:06 PM
To: Harbison, Lance S.
Cc: Bowers Don; PISCHKE Michael
Subject: Re: QW-403.3 question

Hi, Lance,

As I interpret it, the second sentence applies to welds where you cannot verify penetration by looking at the
second side that would cover welds on backing and partial penetration welds. It just requires tighter
controls.

I have copied Mike Pischke who is our committee EB/laser welding wizard who might want to offer his
opinion. Mike?

I thought there was some discussion sometime back that suggested adding a provision for using different
geometries and thicknesses based on preparing mockup, section and etching it and using that as a basis for
establishing the welding parameters for that geometry after the first qualification which demonstrated that the
process worked properly. Lance, you might want to take that on as a project.

Walt
On Mar 7, 2014, at 8:15 PM, Harbison, Lance S. <HarbisLS@westinghouse.com>wrote:

HiWalt&Don,
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ItseemsthatforlaserweldingthatQW403.3nolongertalksaboutpartialpenorweldswithbacking(atleastthatishowanother
Westinghouseweldtechinterpretsitsincetheopeningsentenceconcernsweldswithoutbacking):

QW-403.3 For full penetration singlesided welds
without backing, where the measurement of penetration
can be made by visual or mechanical means, requalification
is required when the base metal thickness is more
than 20% thicker than that qualified when the test coupon
thickness is 1 in. (25 mm) and under, and more than 10%
2013 SECTION IX thicker when the test coupon thickness is over 1 in.
(25 mm). Where the measurement of penetration cannot
be made, requalification is required when the base metal
thickness is more than 10% thicker than that qualified
when the test coupon thickness is 1 in. (25 mm) and under,
and more than 5% thicker when the test coupon
thickness is over 1 in. (25 mm).

Iontheotherhandthinkthehighlightedportionaboveisconcerningweldswithbackingorpartialpenwelds.Isthisasituationfor
aninquiry?

Thanks,Lance

LanceHarbison
PrincipalEngineer
EE&MP/PSDR/MCOE

WestinghouseElectricCompany
CWHQBldg3,207K
CranberryTwp,PA16066,USA
Phone:+1(412)3742648

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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; EN 10025-2 (S355J O, S275J R) P-Number Assignment
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
TBD
None


Arnold, J ohn
jarnold@nianticbayeng.com
1(860)235-7420

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Steven J. Rossi
From: sahaya jeyan <jeyanis@yahoo.com>
Sent: Tuesday, March 18, 2014 1:21 PM
To: Steven J. Rossi
Subject: Request for P-Numbers
DearSir,
Subject: Request for P-Numbers for France AFNOR material

WearedoingrehabilitationofstoragetanksinQatarPetroleumRefinery(Project:Rehabilitationof83Nos.of
StorageTanks,SpheresandBullets),Qatar.Majorityofthetanksinthisrefinerywereconstructedin1981.
ThematerialsofconstructionareaccordingtoAFNORNFA35501(E242,E363)&thesematerialswere
supersededbytheEN100252:2004(Referbelowtable).SomematerialsareasperEN100252,S275JR.
EquivalentMaterialasperTableA.1ofEN
100252:2004
AFNORNFA35501 EN100252:2004.
E24.2 S235JR
E36.3 S355JO

WeareusingASMESecIXforweldingprocedureandperformancequalification.
SokindlyprovidemethePNos.forthesematerials(E242,E363&S275JR)

Thanks&Regards,
SahayaJeyan
API653Inspector(Certificate#42393)
Email:jeyanis@yahoo.com

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Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-409.1
2. Proposal
Revise QW-409.1 as shown in the Proposal File
3. Explanation *
After discussions with a welding engineer, relative to the meaning of what is required to be documented relative to
the first paragraph of QW-409.1, it would be prudent to revise the first line of this paragraph for additional clarity.
The individual felt that if there was 3 processes on the WPS/PQR, the highest H-I of the 3 was the governing
factor.
Revised QW-409.1

Willens, Kenneth
kenal13@aol.com
(781)871-9603

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COMMITTEE CORRESPONDENCE

Committee: IX SGGR
Subject: QW-409.1
Date: 4/8/14
Track #:
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To: , Walt Sperko, Don Bowers, Steve Rossi, Lynn Sturgill

Background
After discussions with a welding engineer, relative to the meaning of what is required to
be documented relative to the first paragraph of QW-409.1, I felt that it would be prudent
to revise the first line of this paragraph for additional clarity. The individual felt that if
there was 3 processes on the WPS/PQR, the highest H-I of the 3 was the governing
factor.
PRESENTQW.409.1
Anincreaseintheheatinput,oranincreaseinthevolumeofweldmetal
depositedperunitlengthofweld,overthatqualified.

SUGGESTED MODIFICATION
Anincreaseintheheatinput,oranincreaseinthevolumeofweldmetal
deposited,perunitlengthofweld,overthatqualified,foreachprocessrecorded
onthePQR.

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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; Intent Interpretion and Revision of QW-403.3
2. Proposal
None
3. Explanation *
TBD
None

Pischke, Michael
1(423)752-2547
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LetterNo:SLR1401
Telephone: (603) 433-1061
Fax: (603) 433-1060
russelSL@westinghouse.com
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Westinghouse Electric Company

Newington Operations
Date:April4,2014
StevenL.Russell
178ShattuckWay
Newington,NH03801
Secretary
ASMEBoilerandPressureVesselCommittee
ThreeParkAvenue
NewYork,NY100165990
Email:SecretaryBPV@asme.org
Purpose:CodeInterpretation
Background:IntheASMESectionIX,2010edition,paragraphQW403.3wasbrokenupinto
paragraph(a)forfullpenetrationsinglesidedweldswithoutbackingandparagraph(b)forfull
penetrationsinglesidedweldswithbackingandpartialpenetrationwelds.Beginningwiththe
2011aaddenda,paragraphQW403.3(b)wasremovedandtheparagraphwhichwas(a)
remainedvirtuallyunchanged.ThequestionbelowisinreferencetoSectionIX,2011aaddenda.
Question(1):DoesQW403.3onlyapplytofullpenetrationsinglesidedweldswithoutbacking?
ProposedReply:Yes
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW-151 - Test Specimens
2. Proposal
Approve the intent interpretation and revision as shown in the Proposal File
3. Explanation *
TBD by PM
None

Bowers, Donald
(978)825-2561

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April 24, 2014

Secretary ASME Boiler and Pressure Vessel Committee.
Three Park Avenue
New York, NY 10016-5990

Subject: Request for interpretation or modification of paragraph QW-151 regarding the
width of reduced section tensile test specimen.

Inquiry: In paragraph QW-462 is written that the dimensions of the test specimen are to be
considered as approximate.
Does that mean that a dimension W (specimen width) of 1 (25 mm) is close enough
to (19 mm).?

Reply: Yes, provided the actual dimensions of the test specimen are recorded

Background In several previous interpretations is mentioned that there are no tolerances for the
reduced section tensile test specimen.
This interpretations are:
- IX-80-46
- IX-83-110
- IX-92-76
Its international a common practice to qualify an ASME IX and an ISO 15614-1 on one
test coupon.
At the moment contractors are extracting double sets of tensile test specimen from the
test coupon and execute the tensile tests according EN/ISO and ASME IX.
- One set with a width of . (19 mm ASME IX)
- One set with a width of 1. (25 mm ISO 15614-1)
If approximate doesnt mean machine tolerances for the reduced section tensile test
specimen, then one set of a 25 mm reduced section tensile test specimen can cover the
requirement for a PQR under Section IX and ISO 15614-1 the or other standards.
Section IX allows for pipe test coupons also smaller width specimens.
Double sets of reduced tensile test specimen costs a lot of money, and technical it
doesnt make a lot of sense as we can see in the table 1.

Proposed code change:

QW-151 SPECIMENS
Tension test specimens shall conform to one of
the types illustrated in Figures QW-462.1(a)
through QW-462.1(e) and shall meet the
requirements of QW-153.

QW-151 SPECIMENS
Tension test specimens shall conform to one of
the types illustrated in Figures QW-
462.1(a) through QW-462.1(e). When the width
of the reduced section of specimens required by
other standards is larger than that shown in the
figures, they may be accepted as meeting the
requirements of the figures provided the actual
dimensions are recorded. Tension test specimens
shall meet the requirements of QW-153

Arjan J.H. Roza
Arjan Roza Lastechniek BV
Welding consult.
Gerard Sterkenburgstraat 38
4268 GS Meeuwen
The Netherlands

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Subject: Section IX, QW-462
Date Issued: July 31, 1980
File: BC-80-433

Question: What are the dimensional tolerances for
tensile and bend test specimens in QW-462, where
such tolerances are not specified?

Reply: The Code does not specify exact
dimensional tolerances for bend tests, but
recommends that standard commercial machining
tolerances be observed. Where the tensile test
has rectangular cross sections, it is necessary to
take dimension measurements for the purpose of
cross-sectional area calculations.

Subject: Section IX, QW-150 and QW-462.1
Date Issued: May 3, 1984
File: BC-83-692

Question (1): A PQR is run using pipe with an
outside diameter greater than 3 in. and a
thickness of 1 in. or less. If tension tests are
performed per QW-462.1(a) and the results meet the
acceptance criteria of QW-153, will the minimum
requirements for QW-150 be met?

Reply(1): No.

Question (2): If the thickness is greater than 1
in., will the minimum requirements for QW-150 be
met?

Reply (2): No.

Question (3): If everything is the same as in
Question (1) except that the outside diameter is
smaller than 3 in., will the minimum requirements
for QW-150 be met?

Reply (3): No.

Question (4): What tolerance is allowed on the
3/4 in. dimension in QW-462.1 (b)?

Reply (4): Section IX does not specify
dimensional tolerances for this tensile test.

Subject: Section IX, QW-462, Test Specimens
Date Issued: September 22, 1993
File: BC93-515

Question: QW-462 defines W as "specimen width,
3/4 in." Is 3/4 in. a minimum or maximum
dimension requirement for preparing a reduced
section tensile specimen?

Reply: No.
Summary of deviation in % between tensile strengths ISO ASME IX with different specimen
width.

Table 1
N/mm2 N/mm2 %deviation
Thickness Thickness Materialgrade ISOW=25mm ASMEW=19mm ISOASME
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Report1
45mm 1,77 S690(QT100) 850 859 1,0
860 871 1,3
Report2
17mm 0,67 A333Grade6 496 517 4,1
500 519 3,7
Report3
17mm 0,67 A333Grade6 525 533 1,5
522 533 2,1
Report4
17mm 0,67 A33grade6 498 506 1,6
498 505 1,4
Report5
4,2mm 0,17
254SMo
(UNSS31254) 716 713 0,4
691 696 0,7
Report6
2,77mm 0,11
254SMo
(UNSS31254) 687 719 4,5
688 684 0,6
Report7
50mm 1,97 S460ML 631 634 0,5
632 633 0,2
Report8
18mm 0,71 SA240TP316 578 605 4,5
591 612 3,4
Report9
8mm 0,31 SA240TP316 586 610 3,9
595 603 1,3
Report10
8mm 0,31 SA240TP316 608 615 1,1
612 617 0,8

Conclusion:
The ISO tensile test results are almost always slightly lower that the ASME IX results.
Attached the supporting laboratory reports.
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Record Information
Record Description
1. Subject *
SC IX; QW/QB-422 API 5L P-Numbers
2. Proposal
Revise QW/QB-422 as shown in the Proposal File.
3. Explanation *
TBD
None

Cutlip, Eric
1(330)860-2637
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QdE
Table QW/QB-422
Specified
Tensile, ksi Group ISO15608
Ferrous (Cont'd)
API 5L X42N ... 60 (415) 11101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X42N0 ... 60 (415) 1 1101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API SL X42NS 60 (415) 11101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X42Q ... 60 (415) 1 1101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X42Q0 ... 60 (415) 11101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X42QS ... 60 (415) 1 1101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X42R 60 (415) 11101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X46 63 (435) 11101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X46M ... 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X46M0 ... 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X46MS 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X46N ... 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn Smis. &welded pipe
API 5L X46N0 ... 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn Smis. &welded pipe
API 5L X46NS ... 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X46Q 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X46Q0 ... 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn Smis. &welded pipe
API 5L X46QS 63 (435) 11101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X52 ... 67 (455) 11101 11.1 C-Mn Smis. &welded pipe
API 5L X52M 67 (455)
1
1101 1.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X52M0 ... 67 (455) 3 1 1 101 1.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X52MS ... 67 (455) 11 101 1.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X52N ... 67 (455) 11101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X52N0 ... 67 (455) 11 101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X52NS ... 67 (455) 11 101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API SL X52Q ... 67 (455) 1 X 1 101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X52Q0 ... 67 (455) 3 et 1 101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X52QS ... 67 (455) 11 101 1.2 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X56 ... 71 (490) 1 2 101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X56M 71 (490) 2 101 2.1 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X56M0 ... 71 (490) 3 (V2 101 2.1 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X56MS ... 71 (490) 12 101 2.1 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X56N ... 71 (490) 12 101 1.3 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X56Q ... 71 (490) 2 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X56Q0 ...
art(
71 (490) 3 2 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X56QS 71 (490) 2 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X60 ... 75(515) 12 101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X6OM ... 1 75(515) 3 1 2 101 2.1 C-Mn Welded pipe
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Table QW/QB-422
Specified
Tensile, ksi Group ISO15608
Ferrous (Con 'd)
API 5L X60M0 ... 75(515) 3 1 2 101 2.1 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X6OMS 75(515) 3 1 2 101 2.1 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X6ON ... 75(515) 3 1 2 101 1.3 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X60Q ... 75(515) 3 1 2 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X60Q0 ... 75(515) 51 2 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X60QS 75(515) Se \L 2 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L
API SL
X65
X65M
...
...
78(530) 12 101 11.1

s
78(530) 3 2 101 2.1

C-Mn
C-Mn
SmIs. &welded pipe
Welded pipe
API 5L X6SMO ... 78(530) 3 2 101 2.1 C-Mn Welded pipe
API SL X6SMS ... 78(530) 3 2 101 2.1 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X65Q ... 78(530) 3 2 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X65Q0 ... 78(530) 3 2 101 3.1 C-Mn Smis. &welded pipe
API 5L X65QS ... 78(530) 3 2 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X70 ... 83 (565) 13 101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X7OM ... 83 (565) 3 ,3 101 2.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X70M0 ... 83 (565) 3 3 101 2.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X7OMS ... 83 (565) S 3 101 2.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X70Q ... 83 (565) 3 3 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X70Q0 ... 83 (565) S 3 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X70QS ... 83 (565) 3 3 101 3.1 C-Mn Smis. &welded pipe
API 5L X8OM ... 91 (620) 3 4 101 2.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X80M0 ... 91 (620) 3 4 101 2.2 C-Mn Welded pipe
API 5L X80Q ... 91 (620)
3
4 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. &welded pipe
API 5L X80Q0 91 (620) S 4 101 3.1 C-Mn SmIs. & welded pipe
MSS SP-75 WPHY-42 ... 60 (415) 11101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs./welded fittings
MSS SP-75 WPHY-46 ... 63 (435) 11101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs./welded fittings
MSS SP-75 WPHY-52 66(455) 11 101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs./welded fittings
MSS SP-75 WPHY-56 ... 71 (490) 12 101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs./welded fittings
MSS SP-75 WPHY-60 ... 75(515) 12 101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs./welded fittings
MSS SP-75 WPHY-65 ... 77 (530) 12 101 11.1 C-Mn SmIs./welded fittings
MSS SP-75 WPHY-70 ... 82 (565) 13 101 ... C-Mn SmIs./welded fi ttings
SA/AS 1548 PT430 ... 62.5(430) 11 101 1.1 C Plate
SA/AS 1548 PT430 ... 66.5(460) 11 101 1.1 C Plate
SA/AS 1548 PT430 71 (490) 12 101 1.1 C Plate
SA/CSA-G40.21 Gr. 38W ... 60 (415) 11101 1.1 C-Mn-Si Plate, bar &shapes
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11-1208 BPV I Out for Board Ballot Revision
Record Description
1. Subject *
Section I PW-36.3, Minimum Thickness For Weld Overlay or Weld Metal Buildup Material Assigned a P Number
2. Proposal
Approve proposed addition of paragraph PW-36.3
3. Explanation *
Under item 10-1463, Section IX has established new rules for assigning a P-Number to weld overlay or weld
metal buildup material for purposes of procedure qualification:
QW-424.2 For welds joining base metals to weld metal buildup or corrosion-resistant weld metal overlay, the
buildup or overlay portion of the joint may be substituted in the test coupon by any P-Number base material that
nominally matches the chemical analysis of the buildup or overlay.
The minimum thickness of the overlay or weld metal build-up that is required to assure that the heat affected zone
from welds made to the overlay or weld metal build-up is not detrimental the core base metal is not addressed by
Section IX.
This item is opened to address those concerns.
Addition of new paragraph PW-36.3

Gilston, Philip
philip.f.gilston@power.alstom.com
1(860)285-5435
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11-1208 Rev 12
Minimum Thickness For Weld Overlay or Weld Metal Buildup Material Assigned a P-
Number
Background
Under item 10-1463, Section IX has established new rules for assigning a P-Number to weld
overlay or weld metal buildup material for purposes of procedure qualification:
QW-424.2 For welds joining base metals to weld metal buildup or corrosion-resistant
weld metal overlay, the buildup or overlay portion of the joint may be substituted in the
test coupon by any P-Number base material that nominally matches the chemical
analysis of the buildup or overlay.
The minimum thickness of the overlay or weld metal build-up that is required to assure that the
heat affected zone from welds made to the overlay or weld metal build-up is not detrimental the
core base metal is not addressed by Section IX.
This item is opened to address those concerns.
Proposal (New Paragraph)
PW-36.3 When attachment welds are made to the clad portion of pressure parts constructed
from P-No 5B, P-No 6 or P-No 15E and other creep strength enhanced ferritic steels having
weld metal buildup or corrosion-resistant weld metal overlay, the rules of PW-44.2 (a) and (b)
shall be followed.
Supporting Reference
PW-44.2 Rules governing the PNo. of the bimetallic tube to which an attachment is
welded are as follows:
(a) If the attachment is welded to the clad portion, the PNo. shall be that associated
with the clad except when the combination of heat input and clad thickness create a new
heataffected zone in the core tube, in which case the PNo. having the more
conservative rules shall be applicable. Macroetching and microhardness measured from
a representative sample may be used to determine whether a new heataffected zone is
created in the core tube by the attachment welding.
(b) If the attachment is welded to the core, the PNo. shall be that associated with
the core tube.

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Insert:
PW-36.3 When attachment welds are made to the clad portion of pressure parts constructed from P-No 5B, P-No 6 or
P-No 15E and other creep strength enhanced ferritic steels having weld metal buildup or corrosion-resistant weld metal
overlay, the rules of PW-44.2 (a) and (b) shall be followed.

Future Meetings of The ASME Boiler and
Pressure Vessel Committee
2014 PLANNED BPVC MEETINGS
May 12 16: Bellevue, WA; Hyatt Regency Bellevue ($189/Nt)
August 18 22: Washington, DC; Hyatt Regency Washington ($189/Nt)
November 17 21: Orlando, FL; Orlando World Center Marriott
($170/Nt)
January 25 30: Houston, TX; Westin Galleria & Westin Oaks ($179/Nt)
April 26 May 1: Colorado Springs, CO; The Broadmoor ($199/Nt)
August 2 7: San Francisco, CA; Hilton Union Square ($199/Nt)
November 1 6: Atlanta, GA; Westin Peachtree Plaza ($189/Nt)

May 8 13: Orlando, FL; Gaylord Palms ($199/Nt)

May 7 12: Anchorage, AK; Anchorage Hilton ($159/Nt)

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Comments & Negatives Posted for Ballot#: 14-501

1101 1.2 I C-Mn

101 1.2 1 C-Mn

2 101 1.3 j_ C-Mn

3 101 -t 1.3 1-C-Mn

1.3 --r C-Mn

.1 Smls. &welded fittings

Comments & Negatives Posted for Ballot#: 14-501

Comments & Negatives Posted for Ballot#: 14-501

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