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French "an$ And A" Rounds From %%&&'
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! restart here a thread for this with other members pi"s and info from
another threads with wrong se"tions or titles# $rom member %i"hard B
first pi" and info and from Cara"al se"ond pi" and headstamps#
&# '()*+% '(mm Mle &*&,-&*&.
////!n German 0se / M1nition der '2("m 3w#3 &++ - 45gr# 4atr# &+. 6f7
8# '()&+*% '(mm Mle &*'.
'# '()&+*% '(mm Mle &*'. /
////!n German 0se / M1nition der '2("m 3w#3 &+' - 9prgr# 4atr# &+: 6f7
+# +()&*'% +(mm Mle &*':
////$ren"h Des"ription / Carto1"he a Bo1let 4erforant Mle':
////!n German 0se / M1nition der +2("m 3w#3 &(' - 45gr# 4atr# &(, 6f7
:# +()&'*% +(mm Mle &*'+
,# +()&*'% +(mm Mle &*':
////$ren"h Des"ription / Carto1"he a ;b1s <)plosif Mle'.
////!n German 0se / M1nition der +2("m 3w#3 &(' - 9prgr# 4atr# &(: 6f7
(# +()'.=% +(mm Mle &*'( / Carto1"he a ;b1s de %1pt1re Mle'.
.# +()'.=% +(mm Mle &*'( / Carto1"he a 4erforant a>e" $a1sse/
;gi>e2?a"e1r Mle&*'.
*# (:)8+(% (:mm 9@/': 6Char B H1ll mo1nted g1n / (:mm L-&(7
//// $ren"h Desription / Carto1"he a ;b1s <)plosif M&*&=
////!n German 0se / M1nition der (2:"m 3w#3 8:& - 9prgr# 4atr# 8'& 6f7
&=# &=:mm Mle ', H< 6&=:)8+:%7
//// $ren"h Des"ription / Canon de &=: L modAle &*', 9"hneider
//// !n German 0se / &=2: "m s"hwere 3anone ''86f7
headstamps of 8:)&,' 6@@72 8:)&*' 6@?72 '()&+* 6?ank72 '()8&.
6na>al72 '()8(( 6na>al72 +()&*'6?ank7 and +()'.= 6@?7
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! feel the $ren"h ?ank and @? ro1nds a forgotten field on the WW!! ordnan"e "olle"ting2 for this ! ask to all members
who "an "ontrib1te with pi"s of his own ro1nds or info or wartime pi"s2 man1als2 et"2 or something related with this
interesting field to post their pi"s and info in this thread#
! W@N? B;0C $or the $or1m @rmy#
Bes2 $ren"h ?ank %o1nds is a semiforgotten field be"a1se $ran"e lost the war >er fast2 b1t we "anDt forget that
$ran"e is a great "o1ntry with a lot of history and2 >ery important2 Germans 1sed these ro1nds when "apt1red them#
9o2 ! belie>e that it is >ery important for f1t1re referen"es ask2 6again72 to all members who ha>e in their "olle"tions
these ro1nds for post pi"s of them# @nd if ha>e more info or wartime photos post them too2 of "o1rse# ! hope to see
many pi"s2 b1t not only from the ro1nd2 b1t detailed pi"s of markings of "ase bases and shells#
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&ollectin# WWII =erman Ordnance and WWII =renades. Anythin# !or sell* <ust send me a messa#e. &ollectin#, Al$ays &ollectin#.
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! agree with Mig1el 61ns1rprisinglyC72 like some %1ssian ro1nds2 there were alot re/1sed by the Germans in WW82
and ! wo1ld lo>e to see some more from other peoples "olle"tions# <spe"ially if they are German stamped
Howe>er2 in my photo of the &= ro1nds stood on end2 the :th item from the left is a"t1ally a Belgian +(mm H< from
from the Canon de 47 Antichars SA-FRC. It is also in the wrong case. (I do however have a correct case and may start a separate
Belgian WW2 ordnance thread...not sure how long it will be!!)
PLEASE lets see what French rounds there are out there.
Also, if you care to look at my Gallery, you'll find approximate 10 photographs of the AFVs that used these rounds in Saumur Tank
Museum. (Select ----> Gallery - Member's Gallerys - R (for RichardB) - Saumur Tank Museum)
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Hi e>eryone
!'>e E1st started "olle"ting and my first p1r"hase is this +#( "m mle &*': %o1nd# !t is of parti"1lar interest as ! li>e in
G1ernsey and d1ring the o""1pation 4an5er @bteil1ng 6tank battalion7 8&' was stationed in the Channel !slands# !n
total2 &( Char Bs were sent to Fersey and &* here in G1ernsey2 these were predominantly the standard 453pfwagen
Char B& Bis 6f7 in addition to this there were the "on>erted flamethrower type Char B& Bis2 designated 453pfwagen
B& Bis mit $lammenwerfer 6f7# ;ther $ren"h tanks sent to the "hannel islands in"l1ded
%ena1lt $?&(-&. light tank
+#("m 4ak ', 6t7 a1f GW %ena1lt %': 6f7 6that is2 +#("m C5e"h anti/tank g1n mo1nted on %ena1lt %': Chassis#
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Hi Gf1nk2 great ro1nd2 ! do like theseC####and great information on the Channel !slands o""1pation# Come to think of
it2 belei>e the Char B& bis in Bo>ington is from the Channel islands# 6not s1re whi"h island mindC7
!ll try to take some pi"t1res of the headstamps of my ro1nds tonight###ass1ming ! remember#
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Here are the headstamps of the ro1nds in the photo#
&# '()*+% '(mm Mle &*&,-&*&.
8# '()&+*% '(mm Mle &*'.
'# '()&+*% '(mm Mle &*'.
+# +()&*'% +(mm Mle &*':
:# +()8.=% 6Corre"t Case7 / Canon de 47 Antichars SA-FRC. / 9ee f1t1re Belgian thread
,# +()&*'% +(mm Mle &*':
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(# +()'.=% +(mm Mle &*'( / Carto1"he a ;b1s de %1pt1re Mle'.
.# +()'.=% +(mm Mle &*'( / Carto1"he a 4erforant a>e" $a1sse/;gi>e2?a"e1r Mle&*'.
*# (:)8+(% (:mm 9@/': 6Char B H1ll mo1nted g1n / (:mm L-&(7
!f anyone wants to de"rypt the markings on these "ase2 !'d "ertainly appre"iate it#CC
Cheers2 %i"h
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Hi G1ys
Gery interesting2 ! don't s1ppose anyone has a 'spare' (:)8+(% (:mm 9@/': they'd be willing to sell me?C
@nd yes %i"h2 the Char B Bis at Bo>ington was originally from Fersey#
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Grant2
!ts a strange one2 ! "an't honestly belie>e the Char B& (:mm "ase is that rare2 b1t from what !'>e been told they
"ertainly aren't "ommon# !ts the only one !'>e seen2 and ! know nobody else that has one# 6@ltho1gh Ben and a few
others s1rely m1st ha>e them7
! paid a fair bit for this one2 and W;0LD pay E1st as m1"h again or more for another "ase2 esp if it had the @4H<
proEe"tile#
By the way2 the "ase lenght is 8+&mm2 ! think ! wrote down ( as it looks alot like a & in fren"h drawings#
Here are the drawings of the two ro1nds# 6!n German 1se7
(:mm @4H< / ;b1s de r1pt1re Mle&*&=M
(:mm H< / ;b1s <)plosif Mle&*&=
Hope this helps
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i will make some resear"hes abo1t yo1r H( and H*#
?he H( is a good fren"h +()'.= b1t is not the @? Mle '(### as we see the I=8I E1st after I+(I2 it is s1re that this
+(mm is the fren"h na>al Mle &*=8# 9o yo1 will ha>e to find the proEe"tile for itC
?he H* 2 i will ask help for identifi"ation
$rom my side2 here is the detail pi"t1re of the +(mm @? proEe"tile witho1t his magnesi1m ballisti" "ap 6fren"h
g1nners often 1se the m1nition witho1t the ballsti" "ap be"a1se the white tra"er line d1e to the r1bbing with the air
showed the position of the g1n7 and dated &*+=2 and an e)plosi> 8:mm Mle &*'. for the @nti @ir"raft g1n#
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Hi Cara"al
9o the =8 represents the year####&*=82 b1t how do yo1 know its na>al??
@s for finding a proEe"tile2 it so1nds more like ! need to sell the "ase and find a new one###! only "olle"t tank and
anti/tankC
4lease let me know abo1t H( as !d be keen to find a @4H< Mle &*&= proEe"tile and "ase#
%eally appre"iate yo1 help
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