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It’s Time
We Had A Talk
-- About Talk
MARION BLANK, PHD Intervention and the Law of Unintended Consequences
Dr. Marion Blank is the Director Few topics in autism spectrum disorders (ASD) rival the attention devoted to
of A Light on Literacy in the language. For good reason, vast amounts of time, effort and money are directed at
Developmental Neuropsychiatry getting children to talk. This leads programs to be judged, and to judge themselves,
Program at Columbia University. by their success in reaching this goal. You see the process at work in statements such
She is an internationally recognized
as the following, “Research now shows that between 75-95% of children who receive
developmental psychologist with
extensive experience in designing intensive behavioral intervention will speak by the age of five.”
language and reading programs (Dawson, 2008, p. 775).
for children with a wide range of There is no question about the desirability of getting children to talk. However,
learning disabilities. when this is the cornerstone of intervention, unintended—and unexamined—
consequences often ensue. The following two vignettes reflect the types of problems
that can occur from a tunnel vision focus on “talk.”
Both vignettes show “breakdowns” in their size, shape, color and so on. In
MARY BETH CULL
language--breakdowns that are so familiar commenting about the toilet seat, he
Mary Beth Cull joined Dr. Blank three that they are accepted as an unquestioned was simply applying what he had been
years ago to become a member of “given” of the children’s deficiencies. taught.
the Developmental Neuropsychiatry Certainly, their deficiencies play a role. But
Program. She has been trained in when they are seen as the only source, we the second child had a similar curriculum.
behaviorist approaches with children risk overlooking other possible causes. But that curriculum rarely, if ever,
on the spectrum and has now One such cause is the effect of included any “real world” situations
extended the work to include more intervention itself. For example, remotely comparable to one he was in.
cognitive/linguistic principles.
the first child had, for years, been taught In his case, he was simply not applying
to look at objects and speak about what he had not been taught.
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While it is disturbing to consider the idea
that well-intentioned efforts may go awry,
such outcomes are far from unique (Dubner
& Levitt, 2008). The field of medicine has
even coined the term iatrogenic disease to
identify the unintentional illnesses caused
by physician intervention. No comparable
term exists in education. However, it is vital
to determine whether a similar process may
be at work.
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EDUCATION & THERAPIES
them to become effective responders. To “given” (that is, their presence is implicit and The Bridge between Language
respond effectively, the child must be able there is no reason to make it explicit). Many at School and at Home
to understand precisely what information question-answer combinations have this While intervention programs vary, on
is being demanded by a question that has structure. one issue, there is common ground. All
been posed. Experience shows that this is a When restructured, this feature of share the belief that the children cannot
major challenge for children with ASD. They language can be key in helping children master language as it appears in “everyday
often do not understand what the question with ASD connect questions and answers. life.” They agree that the language has
means. Essentially, the communication is set up so to be carefully structured so as to make
When faced with lack of comprehension, that the “implicit” is made “explicit” (i.e., in it accessible to the children. Fortunately,
the children adopt a range of strategies. A place of omitting the words that are taken programs have the power to achieve this
common one is: “Answer any question with for granted, the responses include those goal since they can steadily control the
a label (noun).” From the child’s vantage words). By doing this, the children are given content that the children experience. As
point, that strategy is reasonable. It “works” a tool for “seeing” the connections between a result, the children are presented with a
for a range of questions such as, “What is speakers that have, for so long, eluded simpler, clearer world.
that?” and “Which one do you want?” It also them.
fits with the emphasis placed on labeling. For example, imagine a boy eating and The abilities involved:
The strategy, however, fails them when the question “What is the boy doing?” In The complexities of the “natural” world
they face questions such as “What is the the normal course of events, the answer Where does this leave the children when
boy doing?” For example, imagine that in would be the single word “eating.” In the they face other settings, in particular,
response to that question, a child responds, expanded mode, the answer would be “The the home? Along with the school, this is
“Boy.” The therapist then is likely to repeat boy is eating.” In other words, (as indicated the most powerful social context in the
the question, often with an emphasis on by the underlined words) the question and children’s lives. However, except for the
the word that he or she feels the child answer have been shaped so that they rare instances where a parent totally adopts
“missed.” “NO! What is the boy DOING?” explicitly share as many words as possible. the language of intervention (e.g., Maurice,
The child senses that something is awry but This method can be applied to a relatively 1993) the home fails to offer the simplified
hasn’t a clue as to what it is. So the child wide range of questions as indicated in the language characteristic of intervention.
tries a different response. S/he may recall following examples. (In all cases, relevant This situation is only to be expected.
that color has been an important feature play materials such as dolls and toy animals A typical household automatically uses
of teaching, and so then offers the next are provided so that the questions have not “everyday language”, and it is extraordinarily
response of “blue.” only structure but clear referents.) difficult to re-package that language so
The therapist, again lacking a specific that it mirrors the simplified language of
effective means for re-directing the child, Question: Who are these? intervention. But this does not mean that
repeats the original question – often with Answer: These are boys. the children must live with an unbridgeable
changes in emphasis. This may work – or at chasm between the language of the two
least, seem to work, when the child finally Question: Where is the cat? major settings in their lives. While it is
comes up with an action that represents the Answer: Here is the cat unrealistic to get parents to match their
“correct” response. However, the end result language to that of the school, options exist
of interactions like this is a strengthening Question: What are they doing? for reasonable patterns of co-existence.
of the child’s feelings that verbal mastery is Answer: They are running.
forever beyond reach. Structuring interaction in the home:
One source of the children’s difficulties Question: What were the birds doing? Reducing questions
is a failure to realize how questions Answer: The birds were resting. In bridging the chasm, it is important to
and answers relate. Their confusion is see the world through the child’s eyes. For
understandable. In most cases, although Question: Which one can fly? anyone with language difficulties, verbal
questions and answers link, those links rarely Answer: This one can fly. interaction can be a source of considerable
see the light of day. For example, imagine stress. For example, when questions are
the question “What time is it?” In response, asked, even when the precise words are
the answer is likely to be a specific time such As in the teaching of sentence structure not understood, the children still know
as “Four o’clock.” discussed above, the combinations are also that a response is expected. To lessen the
In the absence of a question, the words designed to foster noun-verb connections. pressure, they try to avoid the interaction
“four o’clock” by themselves would be Indeed, the answers to the questions use by “tuning out.” In other words, well-
meaningless. The reason they are not is the same forms that the child has learned intentioned interaction actually compounds
that the “real” answer is “The time is four to use in imitation. In this way, the various their problems because it leads to an active
o’clock.” The responder has elected not components of the teaching offer the avoidance.
to say all those words; instead they have children the consistency that is so necessary Just think of the times when you were
been omitted because they are taken as a for effective learning. in a classroom where questions were being
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see if you want more….” In other words, the
In bridging the chasm, it is important to see the comments are far more extensive than they
world through the child’s eyes. For anyone with need be, but they are still tied to the reality
that is clear to the child.
language difficulties, verbal interaction can be a After a few weeks, the child begins
to feel secure about the lessening of
source of considerable stress. questions. They also begin to realize that
they can be surrounded by language
asked and you were not prepared to answer. more usual response is a wrong response without experiencing failure. This can be
Probably the major mental activity you or no response. In other words, questions a powerful force in reframing the parent-
were engaged in were prayers containing are breeding grounds for experiences child interaction. On its own, it will not
the message, “Please don’t let her call on in repeating failure and a sense of advance the child’s language. But it makes
me.” Those feelings are a fraction of the incompetence. the child more available for attending to and
intensity that children with severe language The simplest solution is to reduce processing language. It thereby helps create
processing problems face in the exchanges questions to the lowest possible number. a more positive attitude towards language
they encounter. This recommendation is diametrically that can advance the work the child does
Ways must be found to minimize the opposed to the common advice to ask as in the intervention. As such, it is one of the
children’s avoidance and discomfort. many questions as possible. Hence, it is not most effective methods for bridging the
Questions, of course, represent one of surprising for parents to be shocked when home-school divide.
the most challenging aspects of verbal they first hear this suggestion. But, they are
interaction. Certainly, not every question equally surprised after a few weeks when A Concluding Comment
elicits a negative reaction. For example, if they see their children’s language blossom. This article, as with so much of our
you ask children—even those with severe It is not all unusual to get an increase in work, arose as a result of discussions
language problems—“Would you like the children’s verbal productions when with parents. A major part of our work is
some ice cream?” the reaction is likely to the pressure of unnecessary questions is aimed at teaching literacy to children with
be pleasure, not pain. But those “nice” removed. ASD—even those who cannot speak (Blank,
questions are few and far between. The lessening of questions does not mean 2006; Maidman, 2006). (As with the topics
For children with language difficulties, the lessening of language. It is important for covered here, this is another skill that has
the much more common experience is to the parent to sustain the interaction with been overlooked because of the restricted
be flooded with questions that demand the child by switching from a questioning views of language/communication that have
answers--answers that are hard to come mode to a commenting mode. The most held sway in intervention.)
by. “What is in that picture?” “What color effective comments are those elaborating Before asking the parents to put forth
is the ball?” “Why don’t you get a puzzle?” information that is immediately at hand. the considerable effort that the program
“What did you do in school today?” “Where For example, if a child is having dinner, the requires, we regularly ask, “Why do you
did you put your school bag?” and on and parent can offer comments such as, “We want your child to learn to read and
on. Even many “non-question” interchanges have something that you really like tonight. write?” Surprisingly, (or at least, it used to
are configured so that they are questions I know you like chicken, but we are not be surprising until we got so used to the
in disguise. While they lack the “wh” words having chicken. We have something else that response) the parents can rarely offer an
such as “who,” “what,” and “where,” they you like. It is meatballs. I am going to give answer. In one way, their “non-response”
nevertheless require a verbal response you one of these to start and then we will made sense. Like all parents, they deemed
(e.g., as when children are told, “Use your
words.”)
Interestingly, children who are competent
in language do not get asked nearly this
many questions. They are able to hold their
own in conversations and readily offer
comments without being asked. The end
result, ironically, is that the more limited a
child’s language skills, the more likely he or
she is to be flooded with questions.
Parents are even encouraged in this
practice –by being told that questions
“get the children to think.” If one actually
plots the percent of questions that are
answered appropriately, the typical picture
yields a number that is quite low. The
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Appendix who lacks the appropriate memory skills, the experience is of
A Pre-Verbal Activity Designed to Foster Temporal disconnected, unrelated elements—with the element that is most
Sequencing salient or familiar being the only item that “comes across.” So if
Because the children are typically attracted to the visual world, the material is to mirror auditory perception, the activity must be
they are likely to be responsive to activities in this realm. The visual set up so that each element is retained in memory as the next one
world, however, focuses on space more than on time. To make appears.
that modality useful, we need to reconfigure the material so that The sample activity offered in the section on temporal
it (a) incorporates key features of the auditory-temporal world, sequencing offers these features. Comparable activities can be
while (b) still retaining the features of visual input that the children developed using a variety of other input. For example, the adult
find attractive. To meet that goal, the activities should contain the could create and the child could reproduce
following properties. a series of actions on objects rather than symbols (e.g., turning
First, the input must be composed of several elements. Single over one object, putting another in a container, tapping
units, whether of pictures or objects, are not sufficient. At the another object, etc.);
same time, the “several elements” must not exceed the perceptual
a sequence of actions on one’s body (e.g., touching the nose, a
limits that allow it to be perceived as an entity. For example, it
shoulder and a knee), and
is relatively easy to perceive the organization where the pattern
involves sequences of two elements as in the following: sets of visual objects (e.g., sets of colored blocks that are
shown and then hidden from view).
♣ ♣ ♣ ♣
It is far more difficult in a problem where the sequence has many A Verbal Activity Designed to Foster Sentence Production
more elements such as the following: The key to effective sentence production is noun-verb
combinations. Further, those combinations must be paired with
✽♣✽♣✽♣ the appropriate “little” words (e.g., as in Kids can jump. The kid
is jumping. Etc.). These pairings mean that the children, at the
Work in early mathematics suggests that children—without
outset, must deal with sentences of three to five words in length
applying language—can deal effectively with units up to four—
(the two word noun-verb combinations plus whatever additional
that is, they can perceive four as different from two or three.
little words attach to them). The training the children have received
However, in the absence of language, they cannot perceive four as
in temporal processing will have created the base they need to deal
different from five or six (Dehaene, 1997). So, in terms of number
with sequences of this length.
of elements, the goal in mirroring pre-linguistic processing should
Some relatively simple sentence types that fit the criteria of
be to build up a child’s skill to work up to four units.
sentences that teach “noun-verb” connections are:
Second, the elements must appear in a set order and the material
must be set up so that order must be processed. Though reading here (there) is (are) a (an) X(s),
will not be the vehicle used in the initial work with children, an (as in Here is a cat. There are dogs. Etc.)
example from that area is useful to illustrate the significance of the X(s) (he, she, it, they) can Y;
order. (as in The cats can jump. They can sleep. Etc.)
Consider, for example, the words evil-live, stop-pots, time- the X (he, she, it, they) is/are Ying.
item. They are perceived as totally different entities even though (as in The girl is eating. They are running. Etc.)
the words in each pair contain identical elements. We have become
so accustomed to the significance of sequencing that we are not, As the children master these forms, new forms can be added—so
for a moment, drawn to the fact that the individual letters are that their repertoires steadily build in length and complexity.
identical. The new forms enable a child to become familiar with additional
Similarly, in line with the examples above, via instruction, the concepts that are integral to meaningful messages such as
children could be helped to recognize that the following two sets negation (e.g., The car is not going), past tense (e.g., The boy was
are not equivalent even though they contain identical symbols. running), and future tense (e.g., The girl is going to walk).
With the forms selected, the next step is to determine how to
♣ lead the children to process the information. Despite its widespread
use, it is important to avoid question asking. As discussed above,
♣ the children have great difficulties in differentiating among
Third, memory demands are a pervasive feature of spoken various questions. So questions will simply generate high rates
language. For example, in a sentence such as The boy is sitting, of error. Further, they are almost certain to answer any question
the word The has come and gone before the word boy makes its (whether correctly or not) with one or two word responses,
appearance. The same process occurs with each of the words in the thereby omitting the very words they need to learn. The sentence
sentence. At the same time, when a sentence has been completed, imitation techniques outlined above in the section on the Structural
the experience of the listener with appropriate memory skills is Components of Language offer a more productive approach to
one of hearing a single, coherent idea. Conversely, for the listener developing this vital area of language.
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