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SIMOREG DC-MASTER

Application
Center Winder

6RA70 Series
Microprocessor-Based Converters from 6kW to 2500kW
for Variable-Speed DC Drives

Edition 06

Edition 06

1.4

05.2007

Operating modes and functions

The winder described can operate in several different modes using a variety of functions. Global settings
such as

control method
direction of winding
winder or unwinder
gear box stage
winding characteristic

are selected via the top level control system. Depending on the selection, the requisite parameter settings
are automatically made in the SIMOREG device. In the case of machines used to manufacture broad-web
products and therefore requiring a variety of control methods, it is possible to choose between several
different control modes simply by switching over control bits. There is no need to change any connector or
binector links. All you need to do is select the required settings for characteristics, controllers, parameters or
optimization runs.
If a hardware control is implemented, the required changes can be made using OR function blocks (for
details contact schematic 19).
The following modes of operation are implemented:

direct tension control with tensile force sensor


indirect tension control without tensile force sensor using torque control
dancer roll / compensating roll position control
v-constant control

The following functions are available in these modes:

inching, maneuvering (to lead the web)


stop tension
slip core control
setting of a variable web width
setting a variable material density
calculator for diameter with monotone or not monotone change of diameter
2 gear box stages
speed controller adaptation
tension controller adaptation
web break recognition

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Closed-loop control of a winder

2.1

Criteria for selecting the control method

The following table lists selection criteria based on empirical values.


The maximum possible web velocity is dependent to a large degree on its relation to the web-lead or
maneuvering velocity (see also para. 1.2 Application guidelines).
Torque limiting control
Speed compensation control
Indirect tension
Direct tension
Dancer control
v-constant control
control
control
Diameter sensing Calculated from web Calculated from web Calculated from web
Calculated from
velocity setpoint and velocity setpoint and velocity setpoint and actual web velocity
winder speed
winder speed
winder speed
and winder speed
Up to approx. 10:1
Up to approx.15:1
Up to approx. 15:1
Diameter ratio
Good compensation Good compensation Good compensation
Dmax/Dcore
of acceleration
of acceleration
of acceleration
Up to approx. 15:1
torque and friction
torque and friction
torque and friction
required
required
required
Actual tension
No
Yes
No
No
sensing
Up to approx. 6:1
Up to approx. 20:1
Tension ratio
Good compensation Good compensation
Variable only with
Fmax/Fmin
of acceleration
of acceleration
variable dancer
torque and friction
torque and friction
weight
required
required
Torque
Up to approx. 30:1
Up to approx. 40:1
ratio
Dependent on
Mmax/Mmin
quality of actual
tension signal
Web velocity
Up to 300m/min
Up to 1000m/min
Up to 1000m/min
with good
with good
with good
Up to 1000m/min
compensation
compensation
compensation
Clamping point
Required
Required
Required
Not required
Web tacho
Not required
Not required
Not required
Required
Use preferably
Sheet metal,
Paper,
Rubber, cabling,
Sorting roller
for
textiles, paper,
thin foils
wire,
cabling
foil, textiles
(generally for
extensible
materials)
Control method

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2.2

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Torque limiting control

The basis for this operating principle is the addition (winder) or subtraction (unwinder) of a fixed value =
override setpoint (5-10%) to/from the speed setpoint of the speed controller with active tension control and
web inserted. Through its connection to the web, the winder reaches one of its torque limits (pos. limit with
winder, negative limit with unwinder). The torque limit is obtained from a feedforward control value derived
from the tension setpoint, taking into account diameter, friction, moment of inertia and acceleration.
The ramp generator for the speed setpoint merely serves to produce the dv/dt signal (ramp-up and rampdown time should be set to 0).
2.2.1

Indirect tension control


Main drive
(injection of web velocity)

Winder

Web velocity setpoint

Converter

|nact|
i
Diameter set value
Core diameter

Calculator
for
diameter

I-controller
D

Monotony yes/no
Set diameter
Hold diameter

Web break
Ramp-function
generator
setpoint limiting

Winding from
top/bottom

Ramp-function
generator

n-controller
Velocity / speed
calculator

Setpoint
processing

Torque limitation

nact

dv/dt

Inching setpoint
kp-Adaption

Maneuver
D
Zsetp

Main

Zsetp

Stop

Override
setpoint

nrated

Tension setpoint
formation

D
Winding hardness

Web width
Material density
D
i

Variable
moment
of inertia

Constant
moment
of inertia

|nact|

Characteristic
of firction

dv/dt
i

+/Unwinder/winder

6RA70
Indirect tension control

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Description of mode of operation:


Input of current diameter using "Set diameter". This can be done only when the drive is switched off.
The maneuvering setpoint stretches the web between the winder and main drive (clamping point). Applying
the "Tension control ON external" signal allows activation of the tension control (a minimum torque must also
be reached) and the override setpoint is switched in. At the same time, the speed controller input is switched
from maneuvering over to operating setpoint (winder), or to 0 (unwinder). The drive torque is adjusted to the
torque limit specified by the tension control (derived from tension setpoint). A winding hardness
characteristic (tension decreases in proportion to increase in diameter) can be activated as the tension
setpoint for the winder.
The machine can now be started.
With every change in velocity, the product of moment of inertia x acceleration is added to the tension
feedforward control.
The current diameter is calculated continuously from the quotient of web velocity/winder speed. The tension
feedforward control value is multiplied by the varying diameter, thus ensuring that the web tension remains
constant.
A reduced tension (=stop tension) can be injected at standstill. This is calculated as a percentage of the
current operating setpoint tension.
If the web breaks, the winder accelerates initially by its override setpoint, the unwinder decelerates to its
override setpoint (this is negative so the unwinder rotates in the opposite direction). The web break is
sensed, on the one hand, by the delayed evaluation of a minimum torque and, on the other, by a comparison
of the torque setpoint and actual values. These are identical if the tension control is active because the drive
is operating at its torque limit. When the web breaks, the actual torque decreases when the override speed is
reached and this setpoint/actual value difference is evaluated after a delay (to allow for temporary
deviations) by a limit monitor. The web velocity setpoint is canceled by the speed controller, both the winder
and unwinder rotate at their override setpoint in the winding direction. OFF3 is applied after a
parameterizable time period.
The "Web break" signal can also be specified from an external source (e.g. via light barriers).
To ensure that the specified torque produces a material tension as close as possible to the desired value,
the acceleration and friction torques must be compensated accurately!

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2.2.2

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Direct tension control


Main drive
(injection of web velocity)

Tensile force sensor


Winder

Web velocity setpoint

Tension feedback value

Converter

|nact|
i
Diameter set value
Core diameter

Calculator
for
diameter

I-controller
D

Monotony yes/no
Set diameter
Hold diameter

Web break
Ramp-function
generator
setpoint limiting

Winding from
top/bottom

Ramp-function
generator

Torque limitation

n-controller
nact

dv/dt
Velocity / speed
calculator

Setpoint
processing

Inching setpoint
kp-Adaption

Maneuver
D

nrated

Override
setpoint

Tension
controller
Unwinder/winder

Zsetp Main
Tension setpoint
formation

Zsetp Stop

Winding hardness

Web width
Material density
D
i

Variable
moment
of inertia

Constant
moment
of inertia

|nact|

Characteristic
of firction

dv/dt
i

+/Unwinder/winder

6RA70
Direct tension control

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Description of mode of operation:


Input of current diameter using "Set diameter". This can be done only when the drive is switched off.
The maneuvering setpoint stretches the web between the winder and main drive (clamping point). If the
tension exceeds a minimum value within a prespecified period, the tension control is automatically activated,
the override setpoint switched in and the tension controller enabled along a ramp (if "Tension controller ON
external" signal is applied). At the same time, the speed controller input is switched from maneuvering over
to operating setpoint. The drive torque is adjusted to the torque limit specified by the tension control (derived
from tension setpoint). A winding hardness characteristic (tension decreases in proportion to increase in
diameter) can be activated as the tension setpoint for the winder.
The tension controller compares the actual tension with the tension setpoint and adds a corresponding
compensation signal to the tension feedforward control value.
The machine can now be started.
With every change in velocity, the product of moment of inertia x acceleration is added to the tension
feedforward control value.
The current diameter is calculated continuously from the quotient of web velocity/winder speed. The sum of
tension feedforward control value + tension controller output is multiplied by the varying diameter, thus
ensuring that the web tension remains constant.
A reduced tension (=stop tension) can be injected at standstill. This is calculated as a percentage of the
current operating setpoint tension.
If the web breaks, the winder accelerates by its override setpoint, the unwinder decelerates to its override
setpoint (this is negative so the unwinder rotates in the opposite direction). The web break is sensed, on the
one hand, by the delayed evaluation of a minimum tension and, on the other, by a comparison of the torque
setpoint and actual values. When the web breaks, the actual torque decreases when the override speed is
reached and this setpoint/actual value difference is evaluated after a delay (to allow for temporary
deviations) by a limit monitor. The web velocity setpoint is canceled by the speed controller, both the winder
and unwinder rotate at their override setpoint in the winding direction. OFF3 is applied after a
parameterizable time period.
The "Web break" signal can also be specified from an external source (e.g. via light barriers).

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2.3

Speed compensation control

2.3.1

Dancer control

In this case, a compensation value (magnitude of override 2-10%) is added to the speed controller setpoint.
The drive torque limits are always open.
Every time the velocity changes, the product of moment of inertia x acceleration is added as a
supplementary torque setpoint to the speed controller output.
The ramp generator for the speed setpoint merely serves to produce the dv/dt signal (ramp-up and rampdown time should be set to 0).
Main drive
(injection of web velocity)

Winder

Dancer

Web velocity setpoint

Actual position

M
P
U

Zsetp Main
Tension setpoint
formation

Zsetp Stop

Winding
hardness

|nact|

to external tension controller


(dancer weight control)
Converter

i
Diameter set value
Core diameter

Calculator
for
diameter

I-controller
D

Monotony yes/no
Set diameter
Hold diameter

Web break
Ramp-function
generator
setpoint limiting

Winding from
top/bottom

Ramp-function
generator

Torque limitation

n-controller
nact

dv/dt
Velocity / speed
calculator

Setpoint
processing

Inching setpoint
kp-Adaption

Maneuver

Dancer position
controller

nrated

Position setpoint
Unwinder/winder

Web width
Material density
D
i

Variable
moment
of inertia

Constant
moment
of inertia

|nact|

Characteristic
of firction

dv/dt
i

+/-

Unwinder/winder

6RA70
Dancer control

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Description of mode of operation:


Input of current diameter using "Set diameter". This can be done only when the drive is switched off.
The maneuvering setpoint stretches the web between the winder and main drive (clamping point), thereby
moving the dancer out of its end position. This activates the position control and enables the position
controller along a ramp (if "Tension controller ON external" signal is applied); the position controller output
forms the supplementary speed setpoint. The dancer moves to its center position (when position setpoint =
0). At the same time, the speed controller input is switched from the maneuvering over to the operating
setpoint.
The machine can now be started.
The current diameter is calculated continuously from the quotient of web velocity/winder speed.
The tension in the web is determined solely by the dancer weight. If a tension control function is required, the
dancer must be provided with a control device (e.g. pressure cylinder). The tension setpoint is converted to a
pressure setpoint in the 6RA70 and made available at an analog output. A winding hardness characteristic
(tension decreases in proportion to increase in diameter) can be activated as the tension setpoint for the
winder.
A reduced tension (=stop tension) can be injected at standstill. This is calculated as a percentage of the
current operating setpoint tension.
If the web breaks, the dancer moves to its end positions. The dancer position control is disabled and the
OFF3 process initiated. It is useful to delay OFF3 on the winder to allow any loose winding material to be
reeled up.

NOTE
It may be necessary to activate the D-action component in the actual-value channel for the position
controller. This helps to dampen the dancer roller and prevents build-up of oscillation between the dancer
and winder.

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2.3.2

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v-constant control (winder)

The three control methods described above each require a clamping point on the machine, e.g. in the form
of a pair of contacting rollers through which the web is fed and from which the winder receives the web
velocity setpoint. If there is no clamping point on the machine, the winder must be regulated to a constant
peripheral speed. This necessitates sensing the web velocity using a web tacho so that the diameter can be
calculated from v/n.
Since the winder is acting quasi as a "main drive" in this instance, the ramp generator must be used to ramp
the speed setpoint.
Winder
(v-constant)

Web tacho

Unwinder

M
Web velocity setpoint

Zsetp Main
Tension setpoint
formation

Zsetp Stop

Converter

Web velocity
Winding
hardness

|nact|

i
Diameter set value
Core diameter

Calculator
for
diameter

I-controller
D

Monotony yes/no
Set diameter
Hold diameter

Web break
Ramp-function
generator
setpoint limiting

Winding from
top/bottom

Ramp-function
generator
nact

dv/dt
Setpoint
processing

Torque limitation

n-controller

Velocity / speed
calculator

Inching setpoint
kp-Adaption

Maneuver

Dancer position
controller

nrated

Position setpoint
Unwinder/winder

Web width
Material density
D
i

Variable
moment
of inertia

Constant
moment
of inertia

|nact|

Characteristic
of firction

dv/dt
i

+/-

Unwinder/winder

6RA70
v-constant control

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Description of mode of operation:


Input of current diameter using "Set diameter". This can be done only when the drive is switched off.
The machine can be started when the web is tensioned.
Web-break sensing is not operative in v-constant control mode. If the web breaks, the web tacho signal
switches to 0. The calculated diameter would then integrate in direction Dmin, resulting in a corresponding
increase in the winder speed. To prevent this from happening, the "monotone" setting of the diameter
calculator must be activated, i.e. the diameter can only increase for the winder and thus remains constant if
the web breaks.

NOTE
When the v-constant control method is used, the web velocity must be measured using a web tacho. This
also necessitates use of supplementary board SBP pulse encoder evaluation (second actual tacho
value).

2.4

Control function blocks

2.4.1

Stop tension control

The stop tension is injected as a function of the external control and the internal n=0 message. It can be
parameterized as a percentage of the set operating tension. If a constant stop tension is required, parameter
U151.01 must be connected to K0001.
2.4.2

Slip core control

The coil hardness influences, in conjunction with the diameter, the tension setpoint according to an
adjustable characteristic. The setpoints can be taken either from an internal characteristic block or externally
from the bus. Depending on the application, 5 additional characteristics are available. It is meaningful to
work without the slip core control if an unwinder is used. Switching between different characteristics is
implemented via external control.
2.4.3

Variable web width

The selection of different web widths is automatically taken into account for the calculation of the moment of
inertia and therefore also for the resulting feedforward control torque. In this case, the maximum web width
must always be assumed to be 100%. If a fixed web width is required, parameter U150.03 must be
connected to K0001.
2.4.4

Variable material density

The selection of different material densities is automatically taken into account for the calculation of the
moment of inertia and therefore also for the resulting feedforward control torque. In this case, the maximum
material density must always be assumed to be 100%. If a variable material density input is not required,
parameter U525.04 must be connected to K0001.
2.4.5

Calculator for the diameter

The diameter calculator calculates the current diameter from the web velocity setpoint (or actual web velocity
with V-constant control method) and the winder speed. This calculation is only performed if there is a
frictional connection to the continuous material, the tension controller is turned on and the system is in the
run state. Since the diameter can only decrease on an unwinder, and increase on a winder, calculation in the
opposite direction is disabled ("monotone" setting for diameter change).
If the user wishes to alter this behavior, he can enable the diameter calculator to work in both directions by
changing parameter P421 from 1 to 0.
2.4.6

Gearbox stage

The selection of gear stage 2 is automatically taken into account in the calculation of the moment of inertia
and the resulting feedforward control torque. The lower gear ratio must always be assumed to be 100%.

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Speed controller adaptation

The proportional gain and reset time of the speed controller can be adapted as a function of moment of
inertia. An optimization process is used to determine the values at minimum and maximum winding
diameters and linear interpolation performed between them.
2.4.8

Tension controller adaptation

The proportional gain of the tension controller can be adapted as a function of moment of inertia.
2.4.9

Web break recognition

If the tension control is turned on, the web break recognition is enabled.
Direct tension control:

Triggering results if selectable torque variance is exceeded and torque drops


below minimum tension.
Indirect tension control: Triggering results if selectable torque variance is exceeded and torque drops
below selectable minimum.
Compensating roll:
Triggering results if instantaneous value exceeds selectable position value.
If web tear recognition is triggered, speed setpoint is set 0 and the calculation for the diameter is disabled.
The unwinder turns backwards, the winder forward, both using their bias. If a compensating (dancer) roll
control is used, the position controller reaches its limit due to the missing instantaneous value. The bias
results from the set intervention. After a selectable time , "Off 3 is triggered.

2.5

Acceleration compensation calculation

In order to ensure a constant tension torque during acceleration and deceleration, the armature current
should be pre controlled using the required torque. The moment of inertia is never a constant value due to
the steady change of the diameter of the winder.

Fixed inertia JF (adjustable using P407)


Variable moment of inertia JV (is calculated using building block 116, and is influenced by web width
(K3008) and material density K3009)

Chapter 4 contains instructions on how to calculate the two torques using available system data.
2.5.1

Determination of fixed value inertia

The fixed moment of inertia is the sum of the following moment of inertia

moment of inertia of motors


moment of inertia of gear corresponding to the shaft of the motor
moment of inertia of winder core corresponding to the motor shaft
additional moments of inertia such as couplers

Formula:
JF = JMotor + JGear +

JCore
i2

For motor or gear values please refer to the datasheet or type plate. The inertia of the winder core has to be
calculated. (Contact formula for the calculation of moment of inertia for solid cylinder or hollow cylinder.). If
the winder's core mass is relatively small, or the gear ratio rather large, the moment of inertia can be
considered irrelevant as it is in this application.
If the moment of inertia of the winder core is not negligible, the user can adapt the calculation accordingly
(taking into account Jcore with i2).

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Moment of inertia solid cylinder

J=

b D4
[kgm]
32

Moment of inertia hollow cylinder


J=

b D4 D4Core
[kgm]
32

Calculation of percentage accelerating torque MbF using the fixed moment of inertia JF and the
acceleration time tb. The equation outputs a moment of inertia corresponding to the rated current in %.
Precondition: D = Dcore, tb = th and Jcore is ignored
Determining the value for parameter P407
MbF =

JF nN i
v

[%]
2,865 DCore PN tb

Determining the value for parameter P407

P407 =
2.5.2

MbF th
100%
P542
Determination of the variable moment of inertia

The following equation outputs a value for the maximum variable moment of inertia using the maximum
diameter, density and maximum width.
Jv max =

max b max D max 4 DCore 4


32 i

[kgm]

Calculation of percentage accelerating torque corresponding to the related current in %


Requirements: D = Dmax, tb = th and JF = 0
MbV =

b max max D max 4 DCore 4 nN v

[%]
29,18 i D max PN
tb

Determining the value for Parameter U529:


U529 =
2.5.3

b
D
Dmax
DCore
i
JF
JV
MbF
MbV
MN
nN
PN
tb
th
v

MbV th
100%
P542
Formulas and dimensions

web width [m]


diameter [m]
maximum diameter [m]
diameter of winder - core [m]
gear ratio
constant moment of inertia ( motor, Gear, winder - core) corresponding to shaft of motor [kgm]
variable moment of inertia result of windup material corresponding to shaft of motor [kgm]
maximum accelerating torque corresponding to JF [% of MN]
maximum accelerating torque corresponding to Jvmax [% of MN]
rated motor torque [Nm]
rated motor speed [rpm]
rated motor power [kW]
time of acceleration [s]
ramp up time of web velocity; range 0 Vmax [s]
speed difference [m/min]
specific weight (density) [kg/dm]

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Interfaces

3.1

Received data from top level control

Data are exchanged via the communication board 1 (CBP2), PPO type 5.
The functionality implemented in this application can be guaranteed only if the interface settings are made
exactly as described in the table below.
Word

Connector

1
2

Binector

Label

Note

K3001

Control word 1

Control Word 1 according to user manual

K3002

system speed setpoint

K3003

Tension setpoint

K3004

Control word 2

Control Word 2 according to user manual

K3005

Control word 3

Control word 3 for coilers / winders

Set diameter

1.....Set

B3500
B3501

Stop diameter

1.....Stop

B3502

Wind/Coil from top/bottom

0.....top / 1.....bottom

B3503

Winder/Unwinder

0.....Winder / 1.....Unwinder

B3504

v-constant control

If 1, the state of B3506 is not relevant

B3505

Dancer roll control

If 1, the state of B3506 is not relevant

B3506

Dir./Indir. Tension Control

0.....direct / 1.....indirect

B3507

Gear box stage 1/2

0.....Stage1 / 1.....Stage 2

B3508

Switch characteristic for


coil hardness

B3509

Switch characteristic for


coil hardness

The selected characteristic is the result of


the combination of these three binectors
(see truth table of the multiplexer)

B3510

Switch characteristic for


coil hardness

B3511

Stop tension control

1.....On

B3512

Tension control ON ext.

1.....On

B3513

web break ext.

1.....On

B3514

Reserved

B3515

Reserved

K3006

Diameter set value

K3007

Ext. characteristic coil hardness

K3008

Web width

If different materials are produced

K3009

Density

If different materials are produced

10

K3010

Reserved

NOTE
It is not permissible to enable B3504 (v-constant control) and B3505 (dancer roll control) at the same
time. If they are enabled simultaneously, OFF3 will be triggered immediately!

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3.1.1

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Transmit data to top level control

Data exchange is done via the communication board 1 (CBP2), PPO-Type 5.


Word

Parameter

1
2

Bit

Label

Note

U734.01

status word 1

Status word 1 according to user manual.

U734.02

Actual speed value

K0179

U734.03

Instantaneous tension value

K9240

U734.04

status word 2

Status word 2 according to user manual.

U734.05

status word 3

Status word for winder/coiler status K9113

Tension control is ON

1.....ON

Tension control limit reached

1.....limit reached

Web break

1.....Web break

speed limit succeeded

1.....n>>

Operating mode ambiguous

1.....ambiguous

Reserved

Reserved

Reserved

Reserved

Reserved

10

Reserved

11

Reserved

12

Reserved

13

Reserved

14

Reserved

15

Reserved

U734.06

Current diameter

K9304

U734.07

Actual torque value (motor-related)

K0149

U734.08

Actual current value (motor-related)

K0107

U734.09

Output of tension control

K9249

10

U734.10

Web velocity

K0039
(when an optional SBP board is used for v-constant
control)

3.1.2

Analog input

Maneuver setpoint:

analog input main setpoint X174: 4-5


value range: -10V.....+10V
tension / position feedback value1: analog input 1 X174: 6-7
value range: tension feedback value: 0..........+10V
position feedback value: -10V.....+10V
(both end positions can be sensed with a +/- supply)

3.1.3

Analog output

Tension setpoint for compensating weight if compensating roll control is enabled :

3.1.4

analog output 1
X175: 14-15

Pulse generator input

Input for digital pulse - generator corresponding to User Manual.

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Commissioning notes

4.1

Speed feedback adjustment

The following parameters have to be set:


U518

minimum diameter of winder shaft in mm

U519

gear ratio
If two gear box stages are used, the gear box with the smaller gear ratio has to be used
for example: i1=4, i2=5..... U519=4
i=

nMotor
nwinder

U520

rated speed
The motor speed in r.p.m. which occurs for the core diameter, maximum web speed setpoint and
for the gear transmission ratio set at U519 must be set.

U522

standardization of system speed in m/s at maximum setpoint

U523

standardization of diameter in mm. 100% = maximum diameter

4.2

Compensation of friction torque

In general, the friction depends on the speed of the winder. Gear warming can result in negative influence.
After a few hours of operation there is the possibility a post optimization has to be performed.
Procedure:
Operate winder only with speed control, binector B3512 (tension control ON ext.) has to be 0
Disable acceleration compensation f.e. by preventing the dv/dt Signal ( set P542 to 0,01 ).
Take measurements at minimum diameter of winder; set minimal diameter; there may be no connection
to material web.
Start drive via internal ramp function generator, and increase the speed in steps (f.e 10% steps)
Read the actual torque on connector K0142 at every step and enter in U283.01 to .10 (characteristic
block no. 106).
Stop drive
Select "Dancer control" and set binector B3501 (retain diameter) to 1.
Start drive for winder and increase speed in 10 % steps. After each increase check connector K0160
(output of speed controller). The value should be in the range of +/-3%.

NOTICE
Setting the friction compensation too high can cause the winder to break away and produce backlash in
the web while it is unwinding under indirect tension control.

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Compensation of acceleration torque

Unless the acceleration torque is negligible in relation to the remaining torque, acceleration compensation
should be set on the winder with indirect and direct tension control. Acceleration compensation is not
generally required in dancer control mode, and is not generally activated in v-constant mode.
General procedure:
No connection to material web, gear box stage 1 selected (changeover to gear box stage 2 is
automatically taken in to account.
Set ramp up time and ramp down time according to the application
P542 (dv/dt evaluation) is preset to 30s, i.e. the dv/dt value is 100% with a ramp-up or ramp-down time
of 30s. P542 should always be set to the same value as the actual ramp-up and ramp-down time so that
the dv/dt signal (K0191) always corresponds to max. 100%. P542 can, if necessary, be set to another
value for the purpose of finely adjusting the acceleration compensation function.
Select operating state "indirect tension control" and set the bias P405 to 0 % and binector B3501 (hold
diameter value) to 1.
4.3.1

Take measurements at minimum coil diameter; set minimal diameter


Prohibit influence of variable moment of inertia. fe. by setting the web width to 0% using K3008.
Vary the speed of the winder between 10% and 90% and observe K0160 (output of speed controller)
during acceleration and deceleration. The deviation from the final value then equals the acceleration or
deceleration torque.
Set evaluation of the const. moment of inertia in P407 to the value calculated in the paragraph above.
The output of the tension/dancer controller (K9249) can be monitored in direct tension control or dancer
control mode to check the setting. This should remain within a range of +/-3%.

4.3.2

Constant moment of inertia

Variable moment of inertia

Set the following parameters:


U526 = U528 = Maximum possible diameter in mm
P404 = Core diameter as % of maximum diameter
U527 = Core diameter in mm
If possible insert a rather fully loaded coil with a large material width and density.
Set values of actual diameter, density of material and web width
Vary the speed of the winder between approx. 10% and a speed at which the maximum peripheral
speed of the winder roller is not exceeded and monitor connector K0160 (speed controller output) while
the drive is accelerating and decelerating. The deviation from the final value then equals the acceleration
or deceleration torque.
Set evaluation of the var. moment of inertia in U529 such that the value calculated in the paragraph
above is output at K9121 (sum of const. and var. moments of inertia).
The output of the tension/dancer controller (K9249) can again be monitored in direct tension control or
dancer control mode to check the setting. This should remain within a range of +/-3%.

NOTE
If the web width and / or the density is always constant, Parameter U150.03 and / or U525.04 (density)
have to be set to K0001 (100%)

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Optimization of speed controller

Raise torque limits, for example by setting the signal Compensating roll position control ON . (P605 is set
to 150%)
Set the adaptation of kp 2 using P559 and Tn 2 using P560. The value can be calculated using the following
formula
P559 = P560 =

D max 4 DCore 4
D max 4

U529 100 [%]

Requirement: Density and width of material have to be 100%, U529 calculated according to 4.3.2
The thresholds 1 (P556, P557) must always equal to 0.
4.4.1

Run system with fully loaded winder


Perform optimization for speed controller according to the user manual (P051=26).
Use value of P225 (kp) and P226 (Tn) to set P550 / P551 (equals lower values of kp-and Tn adaptation)

4.4.2

Optimization at minimal diameter

Optimization at maximum diameter

Run system with empty winder


Perform optimization for speed controller according to the user manual (P051=26).
The set values in P225 and P226 equal the upper values of kp and Tn adaptation

4.5

Hints for setting parameters

P406:

Gear stage 2.
The value is calculated as follows: i1/i2.
f.e. i1=4, i2=5 P406 = 4/5 = 80%

U198:

Tension control: Value for required tension or torque for web break observation 5%.
Position control: Set observation value for compensating roll, f.e. 90%90%.

U282.01-.10: Characteristic of friction.


U283.01-.10: Only positive values allowed.
U285.01-.10: Characteristic for slip coil control
U286.01-.10: Only positive values allowed.
U288.01-.10: Characteristic (Building block 108).
U289.01-.10: Using this block, you can delinearize the influence of the potentiometer for maneuvering
(a characteristic is set which equals approximately y=f (x))
U450:

Delay web break recognition.


Is used to disable false triggering on short, sudden tension or torque drops.

U453:

Time, during which the minimum tension (set using U198) has to be surpassed to activate the
tension control.

U456:

Time for reverse winding if web break occurs.

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U539.01:

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Integration time - calculator for diameter
The following formula is used for calculation:

U539.01 =

D max
Dsleeve
v max
dmin
0.95

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(D max

Dsleeve ) * v max * U537


* 0,95 [s]
D max * dmin * 0,42

Maximum roller diameter [m]


Minimum (core) diameter [m]
Maximum system speed [m/min]
Minimum thickness of the material [mm]
Factor for incorporating 5 % safety margin

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Appendix

5.1

List of freely assignable function blocks used

Block type

Blocknumber

Binector/connector converter

13

Average value during n cycles

16

Adders/subtractors

20,21,22,23,24,25

Sign inverters

35,36

Switchable sign inverters

40,41

Dividers

42,45,46

Multipliers

50,51,52,53,290.....297

High resolution multipliers/dividers

55,56

Absolute value generators with filter

60,61

limiters

65

Limit-value monitors without filters

73,74

Maximum selection

80

Tracking-/storrage element

82

Analog signal selector switches

90.....99

Integrators

101

Characteristic blocks

106,107,108, 280

Simple ramp-function generator

113

Technology controller

114

Velocity/speed controller

115

Variable moment of inertia

116

Multiplexer

86,87

AND elements

121.....132

OR elements

150.....167

Inverters

180.....193

NAND elements

200

RS-flipflop

215

Timers

240.....246

Binary signal selector switch

250.....253

PI-controller

260

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List of settable fixed values used

Parameter

Function

Sheet

P401

Inching setpoint

1.1

P402

Adjustment of setpoint actual value difference of torque for web break recognition

17.1

P403

Fine tuning of web (system) speed

8.4

P404

Diameter of core in % of Dmax

8.6

P405

Bias for speed controller in conjunction with direct and ind. tension cont.

14a.1

P406

i gear stage 2

11.1

P407

Constant moment of inertia

11.2

P408

Scaling of torque setpoint

16.1

P409

Influence tension-/position controller

15.5

P410

Stop tension

12.4

P411

Position setpoint (always 0 except in the case of dancer control!)

15.1

P421

Change of diameter monotone 0.....no 1.....yes

8.2

U099.01

Dancer end position sensing

17.1

U099.02

Maximum torque in n control mode

16.5

U099.03

Minimum tension setpoint

12.1

U198

Minimun tension or minimum torque

17.1

U201

Maximum permissible torque deviation for web break detection

17.5

5.3

Detailed schematics

See following sheets 1.....20

NOTE
For easier identification, the winder-specific changes to binector and connector links, and parameter
changes, are displayed on a light gray background. These values deviate from the factory setting.

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P436 (0)
K0401
K
K
K
K
K
K
K

P438.F(208)
K3002
system - speed setpoint

K0401

Select
setpoint

P435 (0)
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B

Select injection
of inching
setpoint

Inching, bit 1
from control word 1

Inching, bit 0
from control word 1

Inching Setpoint
P401.F (2,00)

Inching setpoint

.01
.02
.03
.04
.05
.06
.07
.08

.01
.02
.03
.04
.05
.06
.07
.08

0
1

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&
&

P437.01

P437.02

P437.03

P437.04

P437.05

P437.06

P437.07
P437.08

=1

0%

ON command
from ON/OFF1
(from sheet
"Crawling setpoint")

&

to sheet "Ramp-function generator"

Bypass ramp-function generator

K0207

K0202

Sheet 1

On command
from INCH
(to control word 1)

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.01
.02
.03

Maneuversetpoint

&

P444.B (0)
B

&

P440 (0)
B9350
B
B
B
B
B
B
B

-200%
x1

23

y1

X-Values

y10

.01
.02
.03
.04
.05
.06
.07
.08

x10
+200%

10

Y values
U289.01 to .10 (0)

B9350

120

Select
injection of
crawling setpoint

Switch-on/shutdown
from terminal 37
(from Sheet "Binary inputs 1")

P654.B (1)
B3100

Selection
for shutdown

108

U287.01 (0)
K0011

ON from CW1
(alternatively B0012)

Selection for
switch-on/shutdown

Tension Control OFF 13.8

U320 (1)
B3100
B9454
B

K9231

D Q

<1>

1
R

D Q

1
....

P443.F(207)
K

P441 (0)
K9231
K
K
K
K
K
K
K
.01
.02
.03
.04
.05
.06
.07
.08

Select
crawling setpoint

<1>

Level/edge
P445

0
1

0
1

&

P442.08

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&

0
1

&
&

P442.01

P442.02

P442.03

P442.04

P442.05

P442.06

P442.07

<1> Flip-Flops are reset when P445=0

Maneuver

Sheet 2

K0206

K0201

ON command from
CRAWL
(to control word 1)

to sheet "Ramp-function generator"

Bypass ramp-function generator

to sheet
"Ramp-function
generator"

Switch-on command
from ON/OFF1
(to control word 1)

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P323.F (1)
K

P645.F (0)
K

.01 <1>
.02 <1>
.03 <1>
.04 <1>

K0198

.01
.02
.03
.04

K0197

K0196

Minimum

<1> When P643.0x=9, the limit


selected via P642.0x acts
with inverted sign as a
negative limit

P643 (9)
K
K
K
K

r029

K
K
K
K

P642 (2)

P321.F (100,00)
(-300,00...300,00 %)

Additional setpoint

P322.F (1)
K

P644.F(206)
1.8
K0207

Main setpoint

P320.F (100,00)
(-300,00...300,00 %)

Setpoint processing

K0195

K0194

P635.F(194)
K

-1

0%

11

10

01

00

Enable negative direction of rotation from control word 1

Enable positive direction of rotation from control word 1

U607.B(9382)
B

U608.F (15,00%)

Normalization

Sheet 3

to ramp-function generator
input

no direction of rotation
enabled

B0210

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P646.B (1)
B

P641.B (0)
B

Select bypass
ramp-function
generator

P640.B (0)
B

&

Run
B0104

ON delay

P319.F (0,05)
(0,00...10,00 s)

Enable changeover of starting integrator

Bypass ramp-function generator from


sheets "Fixed setpoint", "Inching
setpoint", "Crawling setpoint"

Enable ramp-function generator from


control word 1 (with "0"-Signal: y=0)

P639 (167)
.01
K
.02
K

B0161
Shutdown

K0190

(RFG
output)

Enable setpoint from


control word 1

Operating state
- -, I or II

Ramp-function
generator input

0% 0

from starting integrator control


(see P302)

RFG setting 3

Setpoint

r028

Ramp-down time
P312.F
P308.F

Set ramp-function
generator

Setting value

r315.1

n-act -

n-act +

r315.3

P318.F
P302.F
Set RFG Starting
on
integrator
shutdown

r315.2

y=0

dv/dt

B0209

B0208

B0207

r027

2.8

P633 (9)
K
K
K
K

Maximum

Minimum

.01 <1>
.02 <1>
.03 <1>
.04 <1>

.01
.02
.03
.04

P301.F
negative
setpoint limit

K0182

B0206

K0170

K0183

K0181

Sheet 4

Highest negative
setpoint limit

Limitation after
RFG has responded

Speed setpoint

Lowest positive
setpoint limit

Ramp-function generator enable


Ramp-function generator start
Setpoint enable & /OFF1
Set ramp-function generator
Track ramp-function generator
Bypass ramp-function generator
Ramp-down
Ramp-up

positive
setpoint limit
P300.F

0:
1:
2:
3:
4:
5:
7:
15:

15

Display of RFG status on r316

<1> When P633.0x = 9, the positive limit


selected via P632.0x acts with inverted
sign as negative limit

RFG active to status word 2

ramp-down

ramp-up

K0190

P632 (1)
K
K
K
K

P303 - P306
P311 - P314
P307 - P310

Effective
parameters

FS
P634
.01
190
K
.02
K0201 0

Ramp-function
generator setting
2
3
0
0
0
1
1
0

... RFG setting 1 [s]

K0191

Time difference [s]


P542.F
RFG status
r316

P317.F
RFG
tracking

r315.4

Upper transition
rounding
P314.F
... RFG setting 3 [s]
P310.F
... RFG setting 2 [s]

P306.F

Lower transition
rounding
P313.F
P309.F

P305.F

Rounding

Parameter selection

Ramp-up/down
time

P304.F

K0192

B0211

P303.F

Ramp-up time
P311.F
P307.F

This changeover to RFG settings 2 and 3


has priority over the input of RFG setting 3
by the starting integrator control

RFG-setting 2

.01
.02

Ramp-function generator
start from control word 1

P638.B (0)
B

P637.B (0)
B

P636 (1)
K
K

Ramp-function generator

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K0170

Current diameter 8a.7

4.8

K9304

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U240 (0)
K9257
5.8
K

U241 (0)
B9550
.01
.02
1

min.Diameter
(10,0...6553,5mm)
U518.F (6500,0)

(-32,768...32,767 m/s)
n022

velocity set point

Normalization
U523 (1638)
(10...60000mm)

Normalization
U522 (16,38)
(0,01...327,67m/s)

U517 (0)

Speed calcualtion

v set

K9210
i 11.3

90

U145 (1)
K9210
K9214

.01
.02

.01 x1
.02 x2

x1 *100%
x2

45

K9145

U140 (0)
K9145

nset

U141 (0)
B9389

RESET
(Q=0)

SET
(Q=1)

U520.F (1450)
Rated speed

n rated

winding from top / bottom 18.5

POWER ON
<1>

U415 (0)
B9362
B0121

U519.F (1,00)
Gear ratio

Web break 17a.3


n<

vset i
nset = ----------------- 100%
D nrated

Velocity / speed - calculator

115

y = -x

-1

B9551

215

B9550

speed set point


n023

speed set point

K9140

40

Sheet 5

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P555.F (0)
K

x
y

I comp. n contr.

P630 (162)
K

0%

n contr. Kp(act)
r219

Adap.point 2

P554.F (0)
K9437

P563.F(-100,00)
(-199,99...0,00%)

P562.F(100,00)
(0,00...199,99%)

-1

K0176

dn(droop)

P557.F (0,00)
(0,00 ... 100,00 %)
Adap.point 1

P226.F (0,650)
(0,010 ... 10,000)
n contr. Tn2

P551.F (0,650)
(0,010 ... 10,000)
n contr. Tn1

Adaptation of the integration time

Speed controller P gain


to Sheet Speed controller 2

n contr. droop Kp (act)


r217

P561.F (0,00)
(0,00 ... 100,00 %)

Variable moment of inertia 11.6

P559.F (0,00)
(0,00 ... 100,00 %)
Adap.point 2

Enable droop from


control word 2

Adap.point 1

P558.F (0,00)
(0,00 ... 100,00 %)

P227.F (0,0)
(0,0 ... 10,0)
n contr. droop Kp2

P552.F (0,0)
(0,0 ... 10,0)
n contr. droop Kp1

P556.F (0,00)
(0,00 ... 100,00 %)
Adap.point 1

(3.0)
P225.F (3,0)
(0.10 ... 200,00)
200.00)
(0,10
n contr. Kp2

P550.F (3,00)
(0,10 ... 200,00)
n contr. Kp1

Droop (with adaptation)

Variable
P553.F (0)
moment
K9437
of inertia 11.6

Adaptation of the P gain

Speed controller (1)

P560.F (0,00)
(0,00 ... 100,00 %)
Adap.point 2

Sheet 6

Speed controller integration time


to Sheet Speed controller 2

n contr. Tn(act)
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P115

P202.F (0)
(0 ... 3)
quality

0%

r025

K0177

0%

n(act)

Fast stop

P629 (177)
K

P627 (178)
K

P200.F (0)
(0 ... 10000 ms)
Smooth. n(act)

P228.F (0)
(0 ... 10000 ms)
Smooth. n(set)

P203.F (1)
(1 ... 140 Hz)
Resonant frequency

P204.F (0)
(0 ... 3)
quality

P206.F (0) P205.F (0)


(0 ... 100ms) (0 ... 1000ms)
T1
Tv

P626.F(167)
K

K0166

K0167

n(set,limit)

P625.F(170)
K9140

n(act,filter)

P083.F

P201.F (1)
(1 ... 140 Hz)
Resonant frequency

135,05
* P115

P628 (179)
K

n(act)

P609 (0)
K

Internal
actual EMF
value

K0040

Actual value from


pulse encoder

K0013

Main actual value

1
-1

Reverse polarity of actual speed value on field


reversal and applied negative field direction
from Sheet "Field reversal with SIMOREG
6RA70 single-quadrant device"

Speed controller (2)

r026
P621 (176)
K9451

K0178

-1

P624 (0)
K

K0168

K0169

n(act, smooth)

K0179

P623 (179)
K

Contr. dev.
P620 (165)
K

r219

r023

r218

Kp

P698.B (0)
B

Absolute actual speed value

K0166

Switchover P222.F
speed

A
B<A

&

Enable speed controller from


control word 2 and sequencing control

Stop I component when G-limitation,


current limitation, torque limitation, speed
limiting controller reached

Stop I-comp. n contr.


P696.B (0)
B

Set I-comp. n contr.


P695.B (0)
B

Set.val.I-comp.n contr.
P631 (0)
K

K0165

dn

Speed controller P gain


from Sheet Speed controller 1

Supplementary
speed setpoint
14a.6

Speed controller integration time


from Sheet Speed controller 1

n(set, smooth) P622 (174)


K
K0174

Switchover to
P controller

Tn

B0205

Fast stop

K0148

Sheet 6a

M(set,n contr.)

P component

I component

Speed controller
setpoint/act. val. deviation

1
Friction and
moment of
inertia
compensation P223.F (1)

0%

P502 (0)
K

K0160

K0161

K0162

K0164

P229.F

Master/slave drive from control word 2:


Make I component follow on slave drive
so that M(set, n contr.) = M(set, limit) and set
speed setpoint = actual speed value (K0179)

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K0164

K0168

dv/dt * P542
vom Hochlaufgeber

-P530

-100%

P520

P521

0%
100%

P530

P543.F

K0191

P541.F

P540.F

K0152

K0150
Dancer or v-constant control 14.4

P619 (191)
K9215

(0...10000ms)
P546.F (0)

K0172

P697.B (1)
B9385

0%

K0173

ATTENTION! Do N O T activate, contact sheet 11 for further information

Compensation of moment of inertia (dv/dt - Addition)

K0179

Compensation of friction

K0171

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U391 (0)
B9390

.01
.02

B0421

Monotone yes / no
P421.F (1)

Un./Winder 18.5

|nact| 6a.3

U172 (0)
K0166

U242 (0)
System speed.
setpoint after rampg. 4.5
K0170
K0039
Actual value 20.7
from web tacho

U243 (0)
v-constant control 18.5
B9391

U160 (0)
K9211

-1

-1

U161 (1)

K9211

91

191

.01
.02
.03

K9455

U331 (1)
B0421
B
B9461

16

60

Smooth.
0...10000ms
U162 (100)

.01
.02
.03

U330 (1)
B0421
B
18.5 B9390

B9461

average
of
n Cycles

Anzahl der
Abtastzyklen
U173.01 (10)

Calculator for diameter (1)

&

&

B9361

131

B9360

130

U152 (0)
K0403
K9160

K0001

x1 * x2
100%

x1 * x2
100%

increasing monotone

decreasing monotone

K
K9304

U120 (0)
K9167

.01
.02
.03

K9152
K9153

U155 (1)
K0404

K9120

y
x

X<B

y1

v
n

K9167

55

K9155

Sheet 8

K9410

280

B9151

B9150

y=
x4 / x3

x10
+200%

10

U282.11 to .20 (0)


X values

23

y10

Y values
U283.11 to .20 (0)

65

B+

X>B+

x4 (32Bit)
<1>

Diameter limits

x4=
x1 * x2

-200%
x1

B+

.01 x1
.02 x2
.02 x3

Stalls at X< -0.2% to Y=-5%


and at X>+0.2% to Y=+5%
at -0.2%<X<+0.2%, Y=0

U281.02 (0)
K9120

20

-1

FS
.01
0
.02
K0001 9165
.03
K0404 9166

U175
K9155

K9153

K0404
K9152

Core
diameter
P404.F (10,00)

Core diameter 8.5

53

.01 x1
.02 x2

52

.01 x1
.02 x2

Current 8a.7
diameter

100,00 %

U153 (0)
K9455
K9214
i 11.3

K0403
K9160

Adaption of
system speed.
P403.F (100,00)

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.01

U533 (0)
K
Diameter set value 9.8 K9213

Set diameter 9.8

U532 (0)
B
B9382

K9300

.01

U536 (1)
K

PI-controller

.01 Setzwert fr I-Anteil


.11 Setzwert fr PI-Regler-Ausgang

U537.01
(0,2)

.01

U538 (1)
K9304

1 = Stop I-component in negative dir. <7>

0 = Disable PI - controller <1>


1 = Stop I - component <5>
1 = Stop output <3>
1 = Stop positve I - component <6>

T1

260

8a.7

.01 1 = Set I - component <4>


.11 1 = Set value PI - controller output <2>

Set PI - controller

.01
.11
.21
.31
.41

Enable PI - controller

U530 (0)
K9410

U531 (0)
B0001
Hold diameter 9.8 B9381
Tension feedb < GW 17a.8 B9483
decreasing monotone 8.4 B9360
increasing monotone 8.4 B9361

8.8
8.8

.01

Smooth
U535.01 (50 ms)

U534 (1)
K

Calculator for Diameter (2)

0
0

Tn

U539.01
(3,000 s)
K9303

K9302

K9301

.01

U543.01
(100,0)

U542 (1)
K

* -1

G(s) =

negative limit

K9307

B9650
Regler an Ausgangsbegrenzung

Current diameterl

Sheet 8a

Priority:
1. Disable PI - controller
2. Set Output
3. Stop Output
4. Set I - component
5. Stop I -component
6. Stop I- component in pos. direction
7. Stop I- component in neg. direction

B9670
Controller has reached
negative limit

K9304

PI - controller output

B9660

Controller has reached


negative limit

K9305

positive limit

K9306

1
1 + sTn
--------- * Kp * --------1 + sT1
sTn

Transfer function:

<5> Stop I - component:


P -component active
Stop I - component
Output = P-component + I-component
<6> Stop I - component in positive direction:
P-component active
If controller input (X) positive,
then I - component is stopped
Output = P-componentl + I-component
<7> Stop I - component in negative direction
P-component active
If controller input (X) is negative,
then the I - component is stopped
Output = P- component + I - component

U545.01
(100,0)

Stop I - component in
neg. direction and set to
negative limit
(K9307)

Stop the I - component


in positvie direction,
and limit it to positive
(K9305)

I-component

P-component

U540.01 (0) U541.01 (1)


0 = Set
0 = set
P-component I-component
zero
U544 (9306)
zero
.01
K0404
Core diameter 8.5

0 0

Kp

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B0001

Power On Imp.

U440 (0)
B0001
B

U443 (0)
B9050
B

Stop / Set diameter

36-55

SIMOREG DC-MASTER

1 = Reset

Impulsgenerator

On / Off delay.
T
T

delayed Off

Delayed ON

U441 (5,000)
(0,000...60,000s) U442 (0)

1 = Reset

Impulsgenerator

U445 (3)

On / Off delay.
T
T

delayed Off

Delayed ON

U444 (3,000)
(0,000...60,000s)

240

Current
diameter

241

U380 (0)
Tensioncontrol ON ext. 18.7
B9396

B9581

B9580

8a.7

B9583

B9582

U223 (0)
B9580
B
B

U222 (0)
K9304

.01
.02
.03

1 y=x
freeze y

&

Prioritt:
1. RESET
2. TRACK
3. STORE

82

n<

B9354
Power On Imp.

124

Web break 17a.3

B9380

150

U247 (0)
B9582

U352 (0)
B9354
B9050
B

B9380
B0121
B9386

U351 (0)

K9195

K9195

U246 (0)
K3006
ext. Diameter setvalue

Mode Power On
U224 (0)

.01
.02
.03

U324 (1)
B9387
B9454
B0105

Set diameter ext. 18.5


Tensioncontrol OFF 13.8
Operation

B9450

.01
.02
.03

180

U350 (0)
B9450
Stop diameter ext. 18.5 B9388
Operation B0105

.01
.02

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

K9213

93

B9382

152

B9381

151

Sheet 9

Diameter
set value

Set diameter

Stop diameter

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U525 (1)
K9304
K
K
Density of material K3009

Current diameter. 8a.7

.01
.02
.03
.04

Variable moment of inertia

Application Center winder


U529 (1,00)
(0,10...100,00)

Normalization of
max. diameter
U528 (10000)
(10...60000mm)

Normalization of
Core diameter
U527 (10000)
(10...60000mm)

Normalization of diameter
U526 (10000)
(10...60000mm)

D4 - DCore4
JV = ------------------ * K
Dmax4

Variable moment of inertia

116

K9258

Sheet 10

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K0166

U281.01(0)

292

.03 x1
.04 x2

290

.03 x1
.04 x2

.01
.02

x1 * x2
100%

x1 * x2
100%

y1

x
x10
+200%

10

U282.01 to .10 (0)


X values

23

y10

Y values
U283.01 to .10 (0)

-200%
x1

Characteristic of firction

U151 (0)
K0191
K9214

dv/dt 4.6
i 11.3

U150 (0)
K3008

U248 (0)
K0001
K0406

K9258

K0406

K0001

U249 (0)
B9394

Web width
Var. moment of inertia 10.7

P406.F (100;00)
Gear stage 2

100,00 %

Gear stage 1/2 18.7

293

.05 x1
.06 x2

x1 * x2
100%

x1 * x2
100%

.01
.02
.03

291

.05 x1
.06 x2

U122 (0)
K9156
K9229

U151 (0)
K9121
K9432

U150 (0)
K9214
K9214

K9229

106

K9432

K9430

K9214

94

Compensation of aceleration and friction

i
K9431

22
K9122

K9433
8a.7
Current
diameter

.01 x1
.02 x2
.03 x3

297

unw. / winder 18.5

<1>

.01
.02

U135 (0)
K9122

U250 (0)
K9122
K9135

56

K9156

U121 (0)
K9437
K0407
K

U251 (0)
B9390

y=
x4 / x3

P407.F (0,00)
fixed moment
of inertia

K9437
K0407

x4 (32Bit)

x1 * x2
100%

x4=
x1 * x2

.05 x1
.06 x2

Summ of pre
control moments

U156 (1)
K9433
K9304
K

U153 (0)
K9431
K9430

.01
.02
.03

y = -x

-1

21

35

K9135

K9215

95

K9121

Sheet 11

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FS
.01
0
.02
0
.03
1

1 = Enable simple
ramp generator
0 = Set ramp gnerator
to zero

Stop simple ramp


generator

113

<1>

TH

y=0

TR

0s

y=x

U099.03 (5.0)
Min. tension

K9503

ext. Tension s.point

U220 (0)
K3005
K9503
K

.01
.02
.03

x1
x2
x3

MAX

<2> from electronic system powersupply monitor

y
K9193

80

Stop tension value


P410.F (0,00)

Priority:
1. S (SET)
2. R (RESET)

B9191

23

y10

K0410

y1

K0410

.01 x1
.02 x2

Stop Tension 18.7


n<

U151 (0)
K9193

K9230

x1 * x2
100%

U329 (1)
B9395
B0121
B

51

K9151

.01
.02
.03

U152 (0)
K9450
K9236

K0001
K3007

U311 (0)
K9230
K
K
K
K
K

U310 (0)
B3308
B3309
B3310

.03 x1
.04 x2

.01
.02
.03
.04
.05
.06
.07
.08

.01
.02
.03

&

B9359

129

X0
X1
X2
X3
X4
X5
X6
X7

U258 (0)
K9193
K9151

U259 (0)
B9359

U254 (0)
K9434
K

U255 (0)
B9392

x1 * x2
100%

dancer. roll pos. ctrl. 18.5

K0001
ext. slip core control

Switchover
characteristic of
slip core control

100,00 %

x10
+200%

10

U285.01 to .10 (0)


X values

-200%
x1

B9190

Y values
U286.01 to .10 (0)

0 = Ramp generator
first run

K9236

107

U284.01(0)
K9304
8a.7
Current diameterl

ramp - down time


U303 (5,00)

POWER ON <2>

freeze y

0s

ramp - up time
U302 (5,00)

<1> If U301.01 = 9191 is active only once after beeing enabled (Flanke log. "0" auf "1")

9.4

U301
B9582
B
B

12.7
Tension setpoint

U300 (0)
K9219

Override
ramp gnerator

Setpoint processing

.01
.02

.01
.02

294

K9434

B3 B2 B1

86

0
1
0
1
0
1
0
1

K9450

0
0
1
1
0
0
1
1

X0
X1
X2
X3
X4
X5
X6
X7

Sheet 12

Tensionsetpoint

K9219

99

K9217

97

Tension control after


influence of slip core control

0
0
0
0
1
1
1
1

B3 B2 B1

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B9452

182

P750 (0)
K9434
-1

-1

.01
.02
.03

U452 (0)
B9452
B

P751 (0)

U323 (1)
B9588
Tensioncontrol ON ext. 18.7 B9396
OFF3
B0110

U382 (0)
B9483

Tension setpoint after


slip core control
12.7

tension feedback value


< limit or.
actual position 17a.8
> limit

Tensioncontrol enable

&

244

B9588

U455 (0)
B9353
B

Smooth.
(0...10000ms)
P752 (0)

B9353

123

r006

y [V] =

x
* P753
100%

Normalization
-200,00...+199,99V
P753 (10,00)

K0026

Tensioncontrol ON

1 = Reset

Offset
-10,00...+10,00V
P754 (0,00)

D
A

X175

U384 (0)
B9353

1 = Reset

B9589

On / Off delay.
T
T

Impulsgenerator

delayed Off

15

14

U457 (1)

Impulsegnerator

On / Off delay
T
T

Delayed Off

U456 (10,000)
(0,000...60,000s)

Delayed ON
0

Delayed ON

U454 (0)

U453 (5,000)
(0,000...60,000s)

Tensioncontrol OFF

B9454

184

Sheet 13

Tension setpoint
for external Tensioncontrol

B9590
Tensioncontrol del. OFF
B9591

245

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Dancer control 18.5

v-constant control 18.5

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

U400 (1)
B9391
B9392
B

U355 (0)
B9391
B9392
B

U393 (0)
B9391

Switchinglogic for the control methods

&

v-constant or
Dancer control ON

B9385

155

B9470

200

v-constant control

B9463

193

U392 (0)
B9470

B9462

192

P659 OFF3

Operating mode ambiguous

Sheet 14

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Bias for speed


controller in
conjunction with
tensioncontrol
P405.F (5,00)

K0405

42-55

SIMOREG DC-MASTER

y = -x

-1

U385 (0)
Unwinder/Winder 18.5
B9390

U136 (0)
K405

U388 (0)
Dancerrollcontrol 18.5
B9392

36

Dir./ ind.
tensioncontrol 18.5

U386 (0)
B9393

y
K9136

B9455

185

B9458

188

B9456

186

U353 (0)
B9392
B9456
B

U312 (0)
K
14a.1 K0405
K9136
K
Output of Tension/
position controller 15.8 K9254
K
K
K

U310 (0)
B9484
B9485
Dancerrollcontrol 18.5 B9392

U326 (1)
B9454
Zugregelung EIN 13.4
B9353
Unwinder/Winder 18.5
B9390

U325 (1)
B9458
Tensioncontrol ON 13.4 B9353
B9455

Dancerrollcontrol 18.5

Switchinglogic for the control methods (2)

.01
.02
.03
.04
.05
.06
.07
.08

.04
.05
.06

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

&

&

X0
X1
X2
X3
X4
X5
X6
X7

B3 B2 B1

0
0
0
0
1
1
1
1

0
0
1
1
0
0
1
1

0
1
0
1
0
1
0
1

Supplementary speed setpoint

K9451

87

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

U354 (0)
B9392
B9459
B

U327 (1)
B9353
B9383
B9384

B3 B2 B1

U473 (0)
B9392
B9356
B

U472 (0)
B9392
B9355
B

Dancerrollcontrol 18.5
Web break 17a.5

Dancerrollcontrol 18.5
B9356

126

Tensioncontrol ON 13.4

Dancerrollcontrol 18.5
B9355

125

B9383

153

X0
X1
X2
X3
X4
X5
X6
X7

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

B9485

253

B9484

252

&

B9384

154

B9357

127

Sheet 14a

Enable Tension/
pos. controller

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U486 (0)
K

n016

.01
.02
.03
.04

U485.F (0,00)

P411.F (0,00)
n017

.01
.02
.03
.04

Position setpoint
Tension setpoint

U484 (0)
K0411
12.8 K9217
K
K

K0411

U480 (0)
15b.7 K0230
K
K
K

Kp-factors
0,10...30,00
U492.F U493.F
(1,00)
(1,00)

U489 (0)
K9437
11.6
Var. moment of inertia

X2

K9240

1
0

K9241

U502.F (0)
<1>

K9244

Kp-factor

U483.F(0)

14a.8

Smooth.
U481.F(0,00s)

1000

n018

U505 (0)
K

U506 (0)
B

U500 (0)
B9357

0%

K9245

K9246

K9242

Hold I -component

Set I - component

Kp

Tn

1000 1

K0409

U494.F
(3,000)

K9248

K9247

U503.F (1) U504.F (1)


0 = Set
0 = Set
p-component I-component
zero
zero

U509 (9252)
K

U510.F
(50,0)

Hold I - component

K9249

U507 (1)
K9221
15a.5
U508.F
(50,0)

U142 (0)
K0409

U143 (0)
B9390

U495.F(0)

Tension/Position-Controller

U488.F
(3,00)

U499.F
(-100,00)

U497.F(0,0)

Influence Tension/
Un-/Winder 18.5
position contr.
P409.F (100,00)

Enable Tension / pos. controller

D-Component

U482.F(0,000)

U498.F
(100,00)

U496 (0)
B
Statik addition for
controoler

114

0 = D-component influences only the feddbackvalue channel


1 = Normal PID-Regler: D-componentl is active for control deviation

K9243

0%

0% 1
0
Setpoint

U490.F U491.F
(0,00) (100,00)
0,00...200,00%
Threshold

X1

Smooth. [s]
U487.F(0,00)

Y1

Y2

Tension- or Dancer - roll pos. contrl.(1)

-1

* -1

n019

K9251

negative limit

K9253

K9254

Output of Tension/
position controller

K9250

positive limit

K9252

K9141

41

Sheet 15

B9499
Controller has reached
output limit

U511 (1)
K9141

U512.F
(100,0)

I-component

P-component

y = -x

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Enable
Tension/pos. controller 14a.8

U390 (0)
B9357

100,00 %

Tension-/position controller (2)

B9460

190

K0001

U267 (0)

U266 (0)
B
B9460

U264 (0)
K0001

.01
.02

Set value

Set integrator

Stop
integrator

y
x

Tn

Integrationtime (Tn)
(10...65000ms)
U265 (3000)

y
K9221

101

Tension - / position
controller limit

Sheet 15a

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Current diameter

Instentaneous value of moment

U145 (1)
K0149
K9304

.03 x1
.04 x2

Tension-/position controller (3)

x1 *100%
x2

42

K9142

14a.5

P456 (0)
B9383
B

.03

.01
.02

P457 (0)
K
K
K

.01
.02

P458 (0)
B
B

.03

.01
.02

.01
.02

Connector selector switch

P455 (0)
K9142
K0015
Tension/pos.current value

Dancer control or
dir. tension control

K0231

K0230

Sheet 15b

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P408.F (100,00)
Normalization of
moment setpoint

K0408

Output
Tension/Pos. Contrl. 13.8
Tension setpoint 12.7

U153 (0)
K9435
K0408

U123 (0)
K9254
K9217
K

.03 x1
.04 x2

.01
.02
.03
K9123

x1 * x2
100%

.05 x1
.06 x2

x1 * x2
100%

.01
.02
.03

K9435

U124 (0)
K9436
K9215
K

295

B9453

U321 (1)
B9453
OFF3 B0110
Tensioncontrol ON 13.4 B9353

183

K9436
Summ of precontrol moments 11.8

296

U152 (0)
K9123
Current 8a.7 K9304
diameter

23

U383 (0)
B9385
Dancer or v-constant control 14.4

Determination of moment setpoint if tensioncontrol is active

.01
.02
.03

24

&

K9124

U099.02 (100)
Torque limit in
n control mode

K0408

B9351

121

U252 (0)
K0408
K9124

U253 (0)
B9351

.01
.02

0
K9216

96

P605.01
Moment feedback value
if tension control is active

Sheet 16

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U099 (90,00)
Dancer roll
endposition

K0402

.01
.02

U150 (0)
K9161
K0402

-1

-1

.01
.02
.03

.01 x1
.02 x2

U164 (1)

U244 (0)
K9186
K9501

U125 (0)
Moment setpoint 16.7
K9216
K
K9150

Adjustment of
momentsetpoint - actual value diff.
P402.F (100,00)

U163 (0)
instentaneous value K0142
of moment

U198 (5,00)
Minimum
tension or
torque

K9186
K9501

U245 (0)
B9392

Web break recognition (1)

x1 * x2
100%

K9212

25

K9125
16.7

50

K9150

U146 (1)
K9125
K9216

0...10000ms
U165 (0)

92

.01 x1
.02 x2

K9161

61

U256 (0)
K9150
|Tension, position or
K9241
torque actual values| 15.3

U257 (0)
Dancer control or
B9383
dir. tension control 14a.5

x1 *100%
x2

.01
.02

46

K9146

U201 (20,00)
Maximal allowed
moment deviation

K9187

K9218

98

FS
U200
.01
K9146 0
.02
K9187 9187

74

U197
FS
.01
0
K9218
.02
K9212 9186

73

U202

U199

U199

U199

U202

U202

U202/2

U202

U199

U199/2

Hysteresis
0,00...199,99
U202 (0,00)

Hysteresis
0,00...199,99
U199 (0,00)

A=B

A<B
<1>

|A|<B

A=B

A<B
<1>

|A|<B

Sheet 17

B9174

B9173

B9172

B9171

B9170

B9169

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.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

U332 (1)
B9386
v-konstant-Regelung B9463
B

U446 (0)
B9590
B

U356 (0)
B9586
Web break ext. 18.7 B9397
B

Tensioncontroll OFF dellayed 13.8

U381 (0)
B9482

181

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&

.01
.02

U470 (0)
ind. Tensioncontrol 18.5
B9393
B
B9173
Moment setpoint - 17.8
actual value diff. > limit

Web break recognition (2)

U322 (1)
B9483
B9451
B9584

B9362

132

Web break

B9386

156

1 = Reset

Impulsgenerator

.01
.02
.03

B9482

250

&

242

U328 (1)
B9362
B9591
B

B9585

B9584

.01
.02
.03

U389 (0)
B9362

B9459

189

&

B9358

128

U387 (0)
B9169

Web break

Actual tension and/or


actual torque < limit or
actual position > limit 17.8

B9352

122

Tensioncontroll OFF del. 13.8

Mode

U448 (0)

On / Off delay.
T
T

Delayed Off

Delayed ON

U447 (5,000)
(0,000...60,000s)

B9451

.01
.02
.03

U458 (0)
B9358
B

U449 (0)
B9352
B

187

.01
.02

.01
.02

T
O

Mode

1 = Reset

Impulsgenerator

Mode

U460 (3)

On / Off delay.
T
T

Delayed Off
O
T

Delayed ON
O
T

1 = Reset

U459 (1,00)
(0,00...600,00s)

Impulsgenerator

On / Off delay.
T
T

Delayed Off

Delayed ON

.01
.02
.03

U451 (0)

U471 (0)
B9392
B9169
B9457

U450 (2,000)
(0,000...60,000s)

B9457

Dancerroll control 18.5


17.8

246

B9593

B9592

B0587

B9586

Sheet 17a

OFF 3

P658

B9483

251

Web break int.

243

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Application Center Winder

Setting Controlword 3

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.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

U359 (0)
B
B3502
B

U360 (0)
B
B3503
B

U361 (0)
B
B3504
B

U362 (0)
B
B3505
B

U363 (0)
B
B3506
B

.01
.02
.03

U358 (0)
B
B3501
B

U357 (0)
B
B3500
B

Application Center winder

B9393
Dir./ ind. tensioncontrol

163

B9392
Dancerrollcontrol

162

v-constant control

B9391

161

B9390
Unwinder/Winder

160

B9389
Winding from
top / bottom

159

B9388
Hold diameter ext.

158

B9387
Set diameter ext.

157

U367 (0)
B
B3513
B

U366 (0)
B
B3512
B

U365 (0)
B
B3511
B

U364 (0)
B
B3507
B

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

.01
.02
.03

B9397
Web break ext.

167

B9396
Tension Control ON ext.

166

B9395
Stop tension

165

B9394
Gearstage 1/2

164

Sheet 18

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Tension controller operates in limit 15.8
Web break 17a.3
speed limit succeeded
Operating mode ambiguous 14.6

Statusword 3

U113 (0)
B9353
B9499
B9386
B0120
B9462
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
.01
.02
.03
.04
.05
.06
.07
.08
.09
.10
.11
.12
.13
.14
.15
.16

15
14

13

12
10

Bitfield 4
Binector- / Connektorchanger 1

11

5
4

n013

13

K9113
Statusword 3

Sheet 19

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Application Center Winder

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SIMOREG DC-MASTER

Application Center winder

Control track

Zero pulse

Track B

Track A

Power supply
Pulse encoder

75

74

73

72

71

70

69

68

X401

67

66

65

64

63

62

61

60

X400

CTRL - = M

CTRL +

Zero pulse -

Zero pulse +

Track B -

Track B +

Track A -

Track A +

Fine pulse 2

+5/15V

B7003

B7002

B7001
Fine pulse 2

B7000

Control track

Pulse encoder evaluation

Number of lines
100...20000
U792 (1024)

<2>

Coarse pulse 2 <2>

Coarse pulse 1

Encoder type
Voltage level
U793=0: A/B track
U790.01: A/B, CTRL track
U793=1: Forward/reverse tracks U790.02: Zero pulse

<2>

Coarse pulse 2 <2>

Coarse pulse 1

Ground coarse/fine

- Vss

+ Vss

Supply voltage
U791 = 0: 5V
U791 = 1: 15V

SBP pulse encoder evaluation


(optional for web tacho, required only in v constant control mode)

<1>

Position acquisition

n024.02

n795

<1> 0=Enable position counter (KK0038)


1=Reset (KK0038:=0)
<2> The signals "coarse pulse 2" and "fine pulse 2"
are only routed to binectors B7002 and B7003
in the SIMOREG DC Master.
They have no other function.

&

&

Reset
position counter
U796

Speed measurement

Reference speed
50.0...6500.0
U794 (500,0)

KK0036

B0056

B0055

K0038

K0039

Sheet 20

Position
value range:
8000 0000H to 7FFF FFFFH

Overflow

Underflow

Speed actual value in rpm

Speed actual value

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Parameter list

Download file "achswickler.winder.dnl" is stored in the "Applications_d" folder on the SIMOREG DCMASTER CD-ROM (Order No.: 6RX1700-0AD64).
The file "achswickler.winder.dnl" has been created with "DriveMonitor" and can only be loaded with this
application. This should not be done until the basic commissioning process (motor data settings, optimization
runs) is finished. Parameters modified during basic commissioning are not altered by the contents of the
download file.

NOTE
After "achswickler.winder.dnl" has been downloaded, parameter U969 must be set to 4. This ensures
that unconnected function blocks are deselected and any connected function blocks are selected
(activated) if they are not selected already.
Deselecting any function blocks that are not needed reduces the load on the processor
(see visualization parameter n009).

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Siemens AG
Application Center Winder

Edition 06

SIMEA
Siemens Industrial Manufacturing,
Engineering and Applications
P.O. Box 83, A-1211 Vienna

05.2007

Siemens AG, 2000-2007


Subject to change without notice
SIMOREG DC-MASTER
Application Center Winder
Printed in EU (Austria)

SINAMICS DCC
Winder V3.2

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Introduction

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview

The application SINAMICS DCC Winder was developed with the


objective to address many of the known winder applications using
one application software.
If required, the application can be configured and/or also changed.
Using the application SINAMICS DCC Winder allows winders and
un-winders to be implemented in a wide range of applications, e.g.
foil making machines, printing machines, coating machines...

Example
Configuration
Tools

The winder application can be used on the following devices:


SINAMICS S120, S150, G130, G150
SINAMICS DCM
SINAMICS Integrated in SIMOTION D4xx-2
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Introduction

Shorter engineering and service times (same look & feel)

Benefits when
using the
Application

Industry standards are used

Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
Tools

Supported by the various PM Application Centers


Continuously updated in the Intranet
Essentially open source code so that you can adapt the functions
to your requirements
User Manuals in English and German
Free of Charge

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Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview

PowerPoint presentation (English / German)


Programming in CFC
User Manuals (English / German)
Feedback sheets (English / German)

Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality

Introduction

Center Winder or tandem center


winder

Coil

Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application

winds material around a core or mandrel


the coil is driven by a motor
the motor can be operated in torque or
speed controlled mode

Tension

dancers or load cells for tension control are


optional

Scope of
Functionality

Roll hardness controlled by web tension


and optional by nip pressure

Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration

Turret winder
Coil

Tools

two or more centerwinds on a rotating axis


Roll change on the fly

Tension

Nip

A flying knife will slice the material and


automatically hold it while it starts to wrap
a new coil
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Introduction

Min Diameter DMin

Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
Tools

Dact Actual Diamter

Material Velocity V

External Moment of
Inertia JCore
Web Width w
Motor Moment of Inertia
JMotor
Max. Diameter
DMax
Gear, Gear ratio i
Moment of Inertia Jgear

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Scope of Functionality
Mf-

Introduction

V+ , F+

Benefits when
using the
Application

Mf+
n+

MP+

V+ , F+

MT-

MT+

Contents of the
Application

Example
Configuration
Tools

n o-

n o+

Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview

MP-

n-

Winder from below

Winder from above

Mf+

MfMP-

MP+

n-

MT+

V+ , F+
no+

Unwinder from below


Mf: Friction Torque
MP: Torque Precontrol
MT: Tension
n: winder speed
no: speed override

n+

V+ , F+

MTno-

Unwinder from above

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Scope of Functionality

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration

The Winder Function Block covers the common control modes and
is an open function for adjustments or build in your own Know-how!
Control modes:
indirect tension control
dancer roll control with speed correction
tension control with speed correction
tension control with torque limiting
constant v-control

Tools

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Scope of Functionality Indirect Tension Control

Introduction

No tension feedback required

Benefits when
using the
Application

Web speed is set via nip

Contents of the
Application

Good Inertia and friction torque compensation required

Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration

Tension Torque pre-controlled via torque setpoint


Diameter ratio app. 10:1
Tension ratio app. 6:1
Winder torque ration app. 40:1
Web speed up to app. 600 m/min
Material: foil, textile, paper

Tools

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Scope of Functionality Indirect Tension Control

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application

n+
M

Speed
controller

Vset

Current
controller

Power unit

Jog set point

Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview

M+

Vconst

overcontrol

Maneuver

J
Kpadaptation
Diameter
calculation

nact

Dact

Example
Configuration
Tools

Fset

Tension taper curve


dn/dt

Friction
moment

Dact
Inertia curve

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Scope of Functionality - Tension control with torque limiting

Introduction

Tension measuring device required

Benefits when
using the
Application

Web speed is set via nip

Contents of the
Application

Nip required, tension capsule is very damageable

Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
Tools

Tension Torque pre-controlled via torque set point


Good Inertia and friction torque compensation required
Diameter ratio app. 15:1
Tension ratio app. 20:1
Winder torque app. 100:1
Web velocity up to app. 2000 m/min
Tension control via torque limitation
Material: paper, thin film

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Scope of Functionality - Tension control with torque limiting

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application

M+

Vconst

n+

Fact
M
Speed
controller

Vset

Current
controller

Power unit

Jog set point

Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
Tools

overcontrol

Maneuver

Fset

Dact

Diameter
calculation

nact

Kpadaptation

Tension taper curve

Tension
controller

Fact
Friction curve
Dact

dn/dt
Kpadaptation

Dact
Inertia curve

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Scope of Functionality - Dancer position control with speed setpoint-correction

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview

Dancer position measuring device required (e.g. potentiometer,


encoder)
Web speed is set via nip
Web tension is controlled via additional speed setpoint
Nip required, dancer influences the web path
Diameter ratio up to app. 15:1
Tension ration controlled via dancer

Example
Configuration

Winder torque ratio up to app. 40:1, depending on the dancer


system

Tools

Web speed up to app. 2000 m/min


Material: rubber, cable, textile, film and paper

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Introduction
Vconst

Benefits when
using the
Application

Sact

n+

M+

Dact
Fset

Contents of the
Application

P
U

Tension taper curve

Speed
controller

vset

Scope of
Functionality

Maneuver

Current
controller

Power unit

Jog set point

Function Block
Overview

nact

Example
Configuration

Sset

Tools

Sist

Diameter
calculation

Kpadaptation

Dact

Friction moment
Position
controller
dn/dt
Dact

Dact
Kp- adaptation

Inertia curve

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Scope of Functionality constant v-control

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview

Web velocity input via web tachometer


Web speed isnt set via nip
Tension cant be affected by winder
No nip required
Diameter ratio up to app. 15:1
Web velocity is depending on the mechanical construction
Especially for sorter

Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality constant v-control

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application

n+

Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality

Example
Configuration

Vact

speed
controller

Vset
Maneuver

Function Block
Overview

M+

Current
controller

Power unit

Jog set point

J
Vact
nact

Kp-adaption
Diameter
calculation

Dact
Friction moment

Tools

dn/dt
Dact
Inertia curve

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Scope of Functionality Diameter calculation

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality

Diameter calculation based on ratio between web velocity and


winder rotational speed
The diameter is required to e.g. calculate the correct speed of the
winder axis from the machine speed
optional there is an integrating calculation methode, a division
method, the possibility to interconnect a diameter sensor or a
methode with layer counting available

Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality Taper characteristic

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality

Optional for rewinder, if the tension is reduced with increasing diameter


Taper characteristic depends on the actual diameter
Decrease can be absolute (N) or relative (% of tension setpoint)
four characteristics are implemented:
Hyperbolic characteristic with:
Max. tension reduction at infinite diameter
Max. tension reduction at specified diameter
Linear characteristic with tension reduction when maximum diameter is reached
Personal characteristic using 10 points along the characteristic

Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality Controller adaption

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality

Controller gain of the tension/position controller is adaptable


based on the actual diameter
higher gain at higher diameter
Controller gain of the speed controller is adaptable based on the
moment of inertia of the roll
higher controller performance with high load conditions

Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality Torque pre-control

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application

Optional compensation of the acceleration/ deceleration torque,


resulting of the moment of inertia to improve the dynamic reaction
of the drive

Contents of the
Application

Inertia compensation reduces tension fluctuation based on speed


changes

Scope of
Functionality

Inertia compensation is required if indirect tension control is used


and recommended in tension control mode via load cell

Function Block
Overview

Inertia compensation is set up during commissioning

Example
Configuration

Inertia compensation is calculated based on the diameter, the


web width, the gear ratio und the material density

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Scope of Functionality tension operation

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview

Tension operation can only be enabled if the control is in


operation and web break detection is not signaling an error
It is recommended to only enable tension operation in machine
stand still
Tension or position setpoint will be enabled using adaptable ramp
functions
If tension operation is not active, the diameter computer and the
speed override are disabled

Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality Maneuvering input

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application

The maneuvering input can e.g. be connected with an analog input


to influence the internal speed setpoint.

Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality Jog

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application

Jog operation is only enabled when tension operation is disabled


Jog speed setpoint either via fixed setpoint or via connectable
input
During jog operation, the maneuvering mode is disabled
separate ramp function generator

Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
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Velocity master, synchronize and stop web setpoint
Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application

winder can operate as velocity master for the whole machine


stop the winder on continuing web, e.g. after flying roll change
synchronize a stopped winder to the web, e.g. before splicing
BI: Synchronize/stop web setpoint
[ 0 = synchr.; 1 = stop]

p21000[3]
SetpointComputer

p21621
(0)
stop after splice active

Contents of the
Application

[WI1020.4]

stop after web length


braking active
[WI1020.4]

winder
as speed master

<1>

If winder is used as speed master, the internal setpoint for web


speed is used for the diameter calculation

<2>

tension operation is deactivated when Stop is selected,


if a fixed web velocity is set and this value is also used as
speed setpoint for the speed master, p22060 has to be set
to 1"
When the winder is set as speed master, r21626 shows the
reaching of the upper velocity limit, r21627 the reaching of the
lower velocity limit.

[WI1010.2]

Scope of
Functionality

ramp
stop speed master

fast stop
speed master

[WI1010.2]

[WI1010.2]

&

Ramp-down time, web


velocity, stop [ms]
p21623 (5000ms)

Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
Tools

Ramp-up time, web


velocity catch up [ms]
p21622 (5000ms)

CI: Velocity setpoint


p21515
material web
(setpoint/actual value
nip position)

100 %

0%

[WI1010.2]

Web velocity ramp function


generator

RDT

BO: Web velocity synchronized


<2>
r21626
BO: Web velocity stopped
r21627

r21517

CO: Motor speed, actual value [rpm]


[WI110x.3]
r21512

Smoothing time ramp


function generator
web velocity [ms]
p21625 (200ms)

y
RUT

(0)

<1>

[WI1010.2]

CO: Material web velocity,


actual [m/min]
[WI110x.1]

CO: Multiplier setpoint channel [1/m]


[WI110x.7]

Ramp-down time, web


velocity, fast stop [ms]
p21624 (2500ms)

r21547

Normierung
[WI110x.3]
Bahngeschwindigkeit

dy/dt

ST

ST

ST ST

ST

ST

ST

ST

[WI1030.7] Stopp am Antrieb aktiv


RFG follow up
when external stop
100%

upper limit velocity master [%]


p21628 (2.0 200%)

Tup_eff

Tdn_eff

y
x

CO: velocity
setpoint RFG
velocity
master [%]
r21630
[WI1110.3]

1
0%

lower limit velocity master [%]


p21629 (-2.0 -200%)

4
3
2
1
DO: SERVO, VECTOR, DC CTRL
Setpoint Computer Part 2 (Speed setpoint calculation; Master; Stop)

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Scope of Functionality web length and braking distance

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application

calculation of the actual web length by integration of the material


web velocity
stop the winder when reaching a set web length setpoint

Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality Splice control

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality

flying roll change with optional application splice control


(precondition is active position controller for position sensing)
cam outputs to control knife and splice roll
rewinding after splice for unwinder

Old

Knife
Splice roll

Function Block
Overview
Splice position

Example
Configuration

New

Tools

Rotating turret

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Scope of Functionality Execution groups

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application

The required components of the application are enabled via


execution groups:

Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
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Scope of Functionality Execution groups

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
Tools

The execution groups Diameter computer, Setpoint calculator,


Control unit are always required, the execution group
TensionDancerContr not for indirect closed-loop tension control,
the execution groups Winding hardness calculator, Integrating
diameter computer and Web break detection - only if the
functions are actually required.
For drive systems with the CU320-2 Control Unit, sampling times
of 4ms are recommended; for standard settings, this corresponds
to the clock cycles of the execution group BEFORE speed
setpoint channel for servo - or BEFORE position controller
for servo and vector (This execution group is available
independent of the activated basic positioner function module).
Sampling times of 8ms or 16ms are recommended for the
SINAMICS DCM drive system.
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Function Block Overview

Introduction
Benefits when
using the
Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview

The winder functionality is part of the


application SINAMICS DCC Winder.
The application is implemented in DCC.
The documentation is based on function
plans.
Normalization web velocity
[m/min] p21516 (30)

BI: smoothing diameter outp21539


put integrating method
[1=OFF; 0=ON]

Normalization web velocity


Web velocity actual value [m/min]
r21517

Actual web velocity p21515

p21000[0]
integratingDiaComp
(0)

p21000[1]
Diameter Computer
Calculated diameter, absolute [m]

Diameter computer

(0)

r21545

minimum
diameter
actual diameter

material web velocity

Calculated diameter, relative [%]


r21546

Dmax

Example
Configuration

Gear factor, load revolutions


p21520 (1)
Gear factor, motor revolutions
p21521 (1)

x
y

Multiplier, setpoint channel[1/m]


r21547

maximum
diameter

gear factor
motor speed

Wound roll revolutions per


integration interval
p21525 (1)
Normalization, p21511
speed [rpm]
(r2700)

Tools

gear factor

Speed normalization
r21512
actual motor speed [rpm]

speed act. value p21510


motor encoder
(r63)

Setting value
fixed diameter [m]
p21522 (0.1)

[WI1010.5]
saved diameter value
as setting value
<>0

p21523
(0)

t (integration interval)

Diameter

web velocity
motor speed

gear factor

Setting value,
diameter effective [m]
r21524

Diameter setting value

Diameter value saved


(retentively) [m]
r21548

=0

Setting value
diameter normalized
to maximum diameter
Maximum
diameter
p21534 (2 m)

Non-volatile (retentive)
memory for the diameter
value

Saved diameter value valid


r21549

Minimum diameter
p21535 (0.1m)
Balancing time web velocity
integrating method p21536 (0 ms)
Diameter is limited to
the maximum
[WI1020.4]
diameter
Diameter is limited to
the minimum
[WI1020.4]
diameter

Smoothing time diameter integrating


method [ms] p21537 (100.000)
[WI1030.7]
[WI1030.7]
[WI1010.4]

set diameter
hold diameter
winding from bottom

1
2
3
4
DO: SERVO, VECTOR, DC_CTRL
Diameter computer integrating method (p21538=1, p21540=0, p21541=0)

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Example Configuration:

Benefits when
using the
Application

Contents of the
Application

HMI
PROFIBUS

SINAMICS CU310 DP/PN


SINAMICS S120 PM340 AC/AC
TM31 (analog input)
Breaking resistor (optional)
e.g. 1PH8 motor

SINAMICS
CU310 DP

Introduction

PM340

Scope of
Functionality

Winder
e.g. 1PH8

Standards:
SINAMICS DCC Winder

Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
Tools

Benefits:

Cost effective and simple stand alone solution

Integrated I/O and Safety functions (STO)

Integrated TTL/HTL/SSI encoder interface

No PLC required for simple applications

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Web handling
HMI

Machine control
PROFIBUS

SIMATIC S7

SINAMICS CU310 DP DCC


SINAMICS S120 AC/AC

TM31

1PH8
Nip

Dancer system
(or load cell)

Winder
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Example Configuration
SIMATIC S7
(Machine control)

Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality

Standards:
SINAMICS DCC Winder
SINAMICS DCC
Load Sharing
(Tandem Winder)

Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration

PROFINET / PROFIBUS

SINAMICS CU320 (1 Winder / CU)


SINAMICS S120 DC/AC
TB30 or TM31
e.g. 1PH8 motor

SINAMICS CU320

Benefits when
using the
Application

Winder
(Master)
e.g. 1PH8

Motor module

Example Configuration:

Introduction

Slave

Tools

Benefits:

Modular solution based on standard products

High hardware integration (no external traversing controller required)

No programming necessary

No PLC required for simple

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Example Configuration
HMI

Machine control
PROFINET / PROFIBUS

SIMATIC S7

TM31

1PH8

Motor Modules

SINAMICS CU320 / DCC


SINAMICS S120 DC/AC

Infeed

CU320

Web handling

1PH8

Nip

Dancer system
(or load cell)

Winder

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Application
Contents of the
Application
Scope of
Functionality
Function Block
Overview
Example
Configuration
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1 Introduction

1 Introduction
The "Converting Library" is intended to provide S7-1200 users with help while
engineering and programming converting machinery.
The Converting Library provides standards that can be adapted depending on
the particular machine and application. These standards cover the typical basic
functions of a converting machine. These functions are available as an open
source.
The appropriate interfaces are provided to make adaptations depending on the
specific machine and application. These interfaces are described in detail in the
following documentation. Changes to standard functions that go beyond this
should only be made in exceptional cases as this is not in-line with the level of
standardization that we wish to achieve here.

1.1.1

Segment, Machine & Unit description


This library is intended to be used for moderate dynamics applications and will
help when engineering & programming converting machinery. This library
covers the typical basic functions of a converting machine. The appropriate
interfaces are provided to make adaptations depending on the specific machine
and application. The functions are available as open source.

1.1.2

Scope of Application
Applications where this library can be used:
Secondary Slitters
Web Inspection machines
Coil Rewinders
Wire drawing machines
Coating lines
Extrusion line winders
Printing machines (Mechanical Line Shaft)

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1.1 Area of Application

1.2 Objective
1.2.1

Task
The Library consist of simple function blocks which can be helpful for any
machine and also includes complete solutions to fulfill the demanding
requirements of winders, tension controlled sections and material transport.
This document will highlight the technical requirements of Winder application &
solution which is developed to cater it.

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1.2.2

Advantages

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The Library includes complete solution to fulfill the demanding


requirements of winders, tension controlled sections and material
transport.
Appropriate interfaces are provided to make adaptations depending on
the specific machine and application.
The library is open source code.
Reduction of engineering time
Possibility of making changes

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2 Winder Solution Overview


2.1 General overview of Winders

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Generally, a winder solution comprises a winder drive, a material web and


possibly sensors. The function of a winder is to rewind or unwind a material web
with a defined tension. When winding, the diameter changes. Depending on
whether it involves a rewinder or unwinder, the material is wound or unwound.
The motion control system calculates the actual diameter using several system
variables and controls the motor speed so that the tension of the material web
is kept constant. To do this, the actual velocity of the material web and the
speed of the winder shaft must be known. If the system must fulfill higher
demands regarding the performance and tension accuracy, then an appropriate
range of sensors must be added to the winder solution. These can include a
dancer roll or a load cell.
The dancer roll is a position-controlled measuring system. The material web is
threaded through this dancer roll system. A cylinder with a deflection roll
presses, with an adjustable force against the material web. If tension is
established in the material web then this acts against the pressure from the
dancer roll. If the dancer roll is at its center position, then the material web
tension is the same as the selected dancer roll force. In order to control (closedloop) the tension in the material web, the motion control system must ensure
that the dancer roll remains at its center position. If the tension in the system
changes, then the position of the dancer roll also changes that is in turn
coupled with the motion control system via a position detection function. If such
a deviation is detected, then the system would respond, and e.g. change the
drive speed.
The tension measuring transducer directly measures the tension in the
system and transfers this signal to the motion control system. If the tension
changes then this can either be compensated by changing the speed or by
changing the motor torque.

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2.1.1

Winding Techniques
In general there are two types of winding techniques used in industry-

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Center Winder

With a center winder, the roll is driven by a central shaft. The diameter range is
an important factor when designing this winder type. The reason for this is that
for a constant web velocity and constant tension, the speed is inversely
proportional to the diameter. This means that the maximum required drive
speed is defined by the minimum roll diameter whereby the maximum
required torque is defined by the maximum diameter.
The center winder is more complicated and from control perspective more
difficult to handle than the surface winder; however it is still more widely
established of the two winder types.
Surface Winder

For a surface winder, the roll is driven through one or several rolls that are in
contact with the roll being wound. The drive speed and power depends on the
diameter of the roll being wound. From a mechanical design perspective, this
winder technique is more complicated than that of a center winder.
The contact winder (surface winder) is essentially used if there are no special
requirements placed on the surface quality of the material being wound.

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2.1.2

Tension Control Techniques


The standard application library allows following control concepts to be
implemented:
Indirect Tension Control
Tension Control using Load-cell
Tension Control using Dancer
These control concepts will be briefly explained in the following.

Indirect Tension Control:

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The indirect tension control is very frequently used if a user does not want
to use expensive sensor systems as there are no higher-level control loops
available. This technique must be able to operate without any tension
feedback signal. This therefore places the highest requirements on the
torque setpoint conditioning and the torque accuracy of the drive.
The indirect tension control is based on the physical interrelationship
between torque and the tension of the material web. The motor torque is
changed as a function of the diameter of the roll being wound so that a
setpoint (reference) tension is obtained.
The technology controller is not used instead, the tension setpoint (reference
value) is multiplied by the diameter and the result is directly pre-controlled as
torque setpoint. This means that the motor current linearly increases with
increasing diameter and the tension is kept constant. In this case it is important
that the friction and accelerating torques are precisely compensated so that the
pre-controlled torque setpoint results in the best possible approximation to the
required material tension. For this control type it must be ensured that the
mechanical losses are kept as low as possible. This means that worm gears
may not be used, no open intermediate gear ratios - and if herringbone gearing
is used, then the shaft should rotate in the direction of the herringbones. It is
also important to ensure the lowest possible loss differences between
gearboxes in the warm and cold states.

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Block diagram:

Tension Control using Load-cell


For the tension control, the tension acting in the system is measured using
a static measuring device and is compared with the tension setpoint
(tension reference value) as measured quantity. The tension control is used
if the precision of the open-loop torque control is no longer sufficient. This
can be the case if a high torque control range is demanded or if the winder
is subject to disturbances.
A load cell directly senses the material tension. Its output signal is proportional
to the tension and is fed to the technology controller as actual value signal. This
means that in this case the technology controller is effective and directly
controls the tension of the material web. Just the same as for indirect tension
control, the speed controller in the drive operates in saturation (at its end limits).
The drive is at one of the two torque limits and is controlled through these
torque limits. The correction value from the technology controller acts additively
on these torque limits. Supplementary torque setpoints e.g. from the
acceleration pre-control (inertia compensation) or the tension taper
characteristic are connected-up so they act additively to the torque limits.
For this technique, it is not necessary to intervene in the material web as is the
case for a dancer roll system. However, in this case there is not the advantage
of having a storage function for the material web.

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Tension Control using Load-cell : Torque Control


Tension controller output is added with Friction & Moment of inertia torque
which in turns act as torque limit.

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Tension Control using Load-cell : Speed Control


Tension controller output is added as additional speed setpoint along with main
setpoint scaled with actual diameter of the roll.

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Tension Control using Dancer

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A dancer roll is used for the dancer roll position control - a positioncontrolled measuring system. The position of the dancer roll is determined
using a suitable position encoder, which is then compared with the position
setpoint (reference value). The tension is only determined using the dancer
roll. If the tension changes, then the position of the dancer roll also
changes. By changing the winder speed, the dancer roll position control
corrects this position offset. Although brief speed fluctuations have an effect
on the position of the dancer roll, they hardly have any effect on the tension
in the system. However, this only applies as long as the dancer roll does
not reach its limits.
The dancer roll position control has the advantage that brief fluctuations in
the tension can be absorbed due to the material web storage function of the
dancer roll. However, an intervention has to be made in the material web
routing as a result of the mechanical arrangement.
The limits of the dancer roll position control are predominantly defined by
the mechanical implementation of the dancer roll and its dynamic
characteristics.

2.2 Functions of the Application Library


The application library is used to control rotating mechanical equipment to wind
or unwind a material web (film, paper, wire, foil, etc.)
The core function conditions the signals that are required to control the winder
shaft such as speed and torque.
The core function comprises a function block, which generates the setpoints to
control the winder shaft. These setpoints are the setpoint velocity and,
depending on the control mode torque limits, additive torque setpoints as well
as variables to control the controller gain adaptation function.

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The block handles all of the essential functions of the winder such as diameter
calculation, moment of inertia calculation, Tension Preparation, Gain Adaption
and Tension Taper Characteristic.
The winder block can be simply changed-over to various control modes by
appropriately parameterizing it. It is not necessary to make any changes to the
program in order to, for example, toggle between indirect and direct tension
control. However, it is possible to access the code of the winder function blocks
as this is not password protected.
2.2.1

Properties and features of the core Winder functions


The following properties and features were taken into account while developing
this library and can even be used in user programs that you generate yourself:

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Diameter calculator
4 different techniques are available to calculate the diameter of the roll being
wound:
The diameter is calculated using the ratio between the velocity of
the material web and the winder speed
The diameter is calculated by adding the material thickness
The diameter comes from extern (sensor)
The diameter is calculated from the ratio between the material
length and the revolutions of the winder (integration)
Tension taper characteristic
A tension taper characteristic is required if the tension, with which the material
is wound, is to be decreased as the diameter of the roll being wound increases.
5 different techniques are available to calculate the tension taper characteristic:
No characteristic
Linear characteristic the tension is linearly reduced as a
function of the actual diameter
Hyperbolic characteristic type 1 the tension decreases
according to a hyperbolic function/characteristic
Hyperbolic characteristic type 2 the tension decreases
according to a hyperbolic function/characteristic
Interpolated characteristic using a table of points 10 points can
be entered to define the characteristic
Tension preparation
Preparing the tension setpoint value for further usage
Functions implemented for tension control with dancer roll, tension control with
load cell, indirect tension control and taper characteristic

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Controller Adaptation
The gain of the technology controller can be adapted as a function of the
diameter. This permits a higher controller gain at a bigger diameter
In case of S120 drives, the speed controller gain in the drive can be adapted as
a function of the moment of inertia or the actual diameter of the roll being
wound. This is necessary so that a full roll can also be rapidly accelerated or
decelerated.

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Inertia Compensation
While the material web is being accelerated and decelerated, an additive torque
can be switched to the drive in order to respond dynamically (quickly) to velocity
changes.
The inertia compensation avoids tension dips or tension increases due to the
velocity change. This pre-control is required, especially for indirect tension
control but also for tension control with a load cell.
The pre-control is made available to the user as an additive torque at the output
of the winder function block. Instructions for making the appropriate
interconnections are explained step-by-step in Section Integration of the core
function using as an example, a SINAMICS drive.

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