25th August 2013

Egypt must not fall to extremists, says EU

special envoy Bernardino Len
Source file:http://elpais.com/elpais/2013/08/23/inenglish/1377256352_941609.html

The European Union's special representative for the Southern Mediterranean,

Spaniard Bernardino Len, says that he foresaw a difficult summer, but that
events have proved more complicated than expected as result of what the
EU calls the "military intervention" in Egypt and the ensuing violence that
has left an estimated 900 people dead. Len talked to EL PAS earlier this
week, ahead of the EU emergency meeting that saw Brussels suspend
licenses for arms exports to Egypt. Last November the EU pledged a fivebillion-euro aid package for Egypt. It consists of one billion directly from the
EU, with the rest to come from the EU-associated European Investment
Bank and European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. But most is
already frozen because of EU concerns about corruption in Egypt. The EU
says it has sent about 450m euros to Egypt in the last three years.
Question. How much influence does the EU have in Egypt?
Answer. A lot. The EU is an important mediator, seen by all in the region as
impartial. We are also Egypt's most important trading partner, and provide
around 80 percent of the country's tourists. Most of the aid we provide is
non-military.
Q. Saudi Arabia has said that it will fill the gap left by any aid cut to Egypt.
Are you afraid that this will weaken your position?
A. The problem is that despite all the aid Egypt has received, its economy is
still not recovering. It needs investors to return. This is why Europe believes
that Egypt has to win back the international investment community's
confidence.
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Q. Do you really think that Egypt can win the trust of the international
community?
A. The situation is serious. The EU has condemned in the strongest terms
what has happened, and largely blames the government. But we have also
said that both sides have committed acts of violence. We all agree that the
key thing now is to return to the negotiating table.
Q. The EU says that there are moderates on both sides, but it is clear that
they are not in control of things. How can the moderates be given a voice
and a role?
A. If we can get talks going, then these voices will be heard and they will
have their say. There are initiatives, we are in contact with many groups,
and we are going to make sure that they are heard. We cannot let such an
important country fall into the hands of extremists.
Q. Why is the EU so reluctant to call what happened a coup?
A. Because what happened between June 30 and July 3 was much more
complicated than a simple military intervention. We have never denied that
there was a military element to this. But there were also hundreds of
thousands, if not millions, of people on the streets and the real threat of
confrontation between different sides. The international community was
encouraging President Morsi to find a way out, either through early elections
or a referendum.
Q. The impression has been that the EU has preferred to look the other way
because it didn't regard the Morsi government as an ally, and as a result
things are now much worse.

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A. After the elections, the EU recognized Morsi as the winner. Brussels

agreed on a 5.5-billion aid package. You can't accuse the EU of ignoring
Egypt. But at the end of November, Morsi started to take decisions that we
disagreed with: he assumed greater powers, did not include all sectors of
society in writing a new Constitution, and generally kept more and more
power for himself.
Q. So what happened on July 3 was not a military coup?
A. Let's not get involved in a war of labels or legitimacy, because all we
want is a return to democracy, and this is clearly not happening at the
moment. We want to see a transition that is inclusive of all parties, with no
political prisoners, and respect for human rights. You cannot reproach the EU
for having been ambiguous in its assessment of the situation in Egypt.
Q. What would the EU do if the Muslim Brotherhood were banned?
A. This would require a debate within the EU, but personally I think it would
be a mistake. It is not possible to demonize an institution that represents so
many people, even if it has made mistakes.
Q. Is Egypt on the brink of civil war?
A. No. The government and the Muslim Brotherhood still believe that there is
a peaceful solution to this. We are a long way from that, but it is important
to stop the spiral of violence.

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