Non-random-Thoughts - Is Vedic Astrology Derived From Greek Astrology - (Part 22) (Masonry and Stemmed Cup - From Pandyans To Tiryns)

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The name Pandion, the eponymous hero of ancient Greece sounds

similar to the Pandyan dynasty of ancient Tamils. There was a statue
for this Pandion in Tiryns according to Greek traveller Pausanias. Of
all the sites of archaeological antiquity of pre- Greek civilisation,
Tiryns is the oldest one dating back to 1500 to 1200 BC. The walls of
the hill-fort in Tiryns were made of massive stone blocks supposedly
built by Cyclopes who had an eye on the forehead. In the previous
articles, we saw information on them linking them to the Tamil
Vedic culture of Shiva worship. The thrust of these articles and the
current one is that Greek Thought owed its existence to the culture and
Thought brought to Greece by the people of this period (1500 BC and
later). The people of this period bear similarity to the ancient Tamils
who occupied the now-submerged regions of Indian Ocean.
One of the proofs is the massive walls of huge boulders. The
techniques and capability of lifting massive boulders to build walls
were not exclusive Cyclopean traits but are seen in Australia, Easter
Islands and in Peru in South America. It has been found out that New
South Wales in Australia is dotted with many pre-historic sites of such
walls made of boulders. Take a look at the stone walls in NSW
Australia which have come to notice recently.
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From New South Wales to Easter Island, not much difficulty is there
for this boulder culture to have travelled. The Easter Island may not
have had walls made of boulders, but it does have huge monolithic
stone carvings which cannot be moved by ordinary muscle power.
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The Tamil / Pandyan / Tirayan (Tirayan is another name for Pandyans.
It means sea-farer) had their existence for more than 10,000 years in
the scattered islands of Indian Ocean. Those habitats were completely
submerged in the last sea- flood that occurred around 1500 BC. The
Pandyan king and some of his subjects managed to survive and
shifted to South Indian mainland, though parts of the south Indian
mainland were already under the rule of Pandyan Kings. During that
catastrophe many people of the Pandyan regions got dispersed. NSW
Australia, Easter Island and Peru sector show this stone culture later to
this submergence. The Cyclopean walls of Tiryns also are post dated
to this submergence, but show signs of immediate migration of some
powerful Tirayan lords of the Pandyan clan.
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Another important proof of this migration is the presence of Conch

shells an important item of the Vedic culture and which is important
to Pandyans too in the artwork. Take a look at this Mycenaean
stemmed cup dated at 1350 to 1300 BC
http://www.getty.edu/art/gettyguide
/artObjectDetails?artobj=110628
Look at the decoration on the shells. This kind of decorated shells

(called as Shanku / Conch) is common in Vedic society. These shells
have a special place in worship of deities. Until a century ago, people
in Vedic culture were using shells to bath the deities with water or milk
in their daily worship. The water or milk was kept in stemmed cups
like the one above. Take a look at this painting made in the 19th
century of Hindu life life "From Mrs. S. C. Belnos's celebrated work
"Sundhya," published in London, 1851." (web link here)
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Look at the corbelled wall structure behind him. This corbelled

structure found in Cyclopean masonry in Tiryns is already found in
Mohenjo-Daro 5000 years ago (see here )
Coming to the Mycenaean stemmed cup, the cup with a liquid (water
or milk in the Vedic culture) and the conch shell as a vessel to fetch
the liquid from that cup for the purpose of bathing the deity is an
ancient concept of the Vedic society. These two stemmed cup and
the conch shell go together. This kind of bathing the deity is known
as Shankabhishekam bathing by shell. This concept must have
first started in a sea-side habitat of the Vedic society. The abundant
availability of these shells is a pre-requisite for this tradition to come
in place. How was this combination known to the artisans of Greece
of 13th century BC?
Let me show some of the similar looking decorated shells used in
temples in Vedic society.
http://mahaperiyavaa.wordpress.com/2012/11
/17/shangabishekam/
The following is the shell covered with silver that is used to bath Lord
Skanda in Thiruchendur temple in Tamilnadu. Look at the sharp tips
on both the ends. The Mycenaean shell is decorated in a similar way.
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http://kodukkulai.blogspot.in/2011/02/blog-post_16.html
This idea was so ingrained in the Vedci society that babies fed using
these shells only. Until a generation ago, the new born babies were fed
with this kind of shells in the Hindu society. Even today shell shaped
cups called as Paalaadai made of metals like silver are used as part
of tradition to feed to the new-born babies. This continues in Tamil
society even today. Take a look at the Paalaadai.
The image appearing in the stemmed cup goes well with the idea of
milk cups from which milk is taken in shells to feed the kids. But
there is a larger relevance to this cup having shell designs. Before
knowing that let us see whether this kind of shells are native to seas
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near Greece.
The shape of this shell painted in that stemmed cup shows that it is
Indian Ocean variety (Turbinella_pyrum). This variety is in use in
India. In contrast, the Atlantic Ocean variety (Busycon contrarium)
is blunt on top and not like the above looking shell. Take a look at the
Atlantic variety.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Busycon-contrarium.jpg
The Mediterranean Sea is not known to have produced the kind of
shells as painted in that cup. The Tamil Pandyans as sea-bound settlers
in early Sangam periods, were known for shell-diving. Lord Shiva,
their presiding deity was supposed to be adorned with ear ornament
made of Shell. Thus these shells were in widespread use among
commoners and for religious purposes in South Asia, in the Vedic
culture. Only a sea-bound community which uses this kind of
decorated shells could have made the above shown cup with shellpainting.
Coming to the shape of the stemmed cup, it is generally thought that
these cups are widely in use in Europe and in Greece. But this is the
most common cup of the Vedic society used in temples and for
religious and Vedic purposes. These stemmed cups come in three
different sizes, namely small earthen cups known as Paalika,
medium shaped cups known as Kalanji-kamba and huge vessels for
filling waters or cooked food in temples. The Mycenaean stemmed
cup comes in the medium variety.
That this cup (whatever size it may have) is purely Vedic related,
cannot be disputed. The small ones, known as Paalika are used in
many Vedic functions, both temple festivals and family functions like
marriage or upanayanan (getting initiated into Brahmacharya / wearing
sacred thread). They are used for "AnkurArppaNam" which means
growing the sprouts or sowing the seeds. These stemmed cups can
be made of any precious metals or simply mud. Sage Atri has given
the details of the shape, size and details of this cup and how seeds
must be grown in that.
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In all Vedic marriages, seeds are grown in 5 Paalikas. A married

woman filling the grains in 5 Paalikas in a marriage is shown below.
The cups have a stem and are smaller in size.
http://www.ahobilam.com/Vaideekam/poorvam/ankuram.aspx
There are Veda mantras used to install the 4 directional deities like
Indra, Yama etc in four cups and Brahma in the middle Cup (Paalika).
The grains grown in the Paalikas would be ceremoniously added into
running water after marriage. The Paalika cups cannot be destroyed
but kept in safe custody to be used in another occasion. In temple
festivals this is a grand part of the Vedic rituals.
The second variety of cups are medium shaped and are used for
keeping perfumed or medicated items used for temple puja / worship.
They are called as Kalanji-kambha in Kerala temples.
http://southindianhandicrafts.co.in/pooja_items__articles_p1
/silver_pooja_items__articles
They are used to store Kumkum for archana in Tamilnadu temples.
They are also used to store aromatic water as an offering to deities
which was also distributed to the devotees. This stemmed cup was
there in every house as a Puja vessel. (for worship). Take a look at this
1851 painting showing Hindu way of worship.
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http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata
/1800_1899/dailylife_drawings/belnos/shivpooja.jpg
Take a look at this stemmed cup used for Goddess Ranganayaki in
Srirangam temple, Tamilnadu.
The following photo shows a collection of temple vessels from

Central India. The medium shaped stemmed cup can be seen.
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This cup is a very common one in most of the South Indian temples.
The following pic shows the deities of the famous Thiruvannamalai
temple dedicated to Lord Shiva. Look at the stemmed cups in front of
the deity.
The name of these cups sounds similar to Greek names for these
stemmed cups. The Greek name for these cups is Kylix. Kylix were
popular in the Mycenaean period of 1400 to 1200 BCE. It is believed
that these cups were used for drinking wine, an intoxicating item.
The Malayalam word for these types of cups Kalanjkambha is
derived from Tamil word KaLanji + Kambam.
KaLanjam means Intoxicants and KaLanjiyam means place for
things (mostly edible ones). Kambam means pillar.
It is used to refer to the stem of the cup. Perfumed things used for
Puja and things such as Tulsi (holy leaves) and holy powders such as
Kumkum, sandal, turmeric, cardamom powder etc are kept in these
cups. Aromatic water (eg- mixed with cardamom power) was kept in
this cup and used while offering food to the deity. This water was also
distributed to the devotees.
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This idea of the Vedic society had gone to Tiryns / Mycenae as early as
13th century BC. The use of this cup in successive periods in Europe
had centred on drinking intoxicants. But its religious purpose was
remembered as seen from its use as Chalice .
One can see a similar looking stemmed cups to offer perfumed smoke
or incense to God in Karnak sun temple of Egypt.
The similar KaLanji cup is used obviously for showing the perfumed /
incense smoke to God in Vedic society. This is common sight in South
Indian temples too. The usage is in Vedic ritual. The name has been
there in Tamil that has a deep antiquity. The Greek name resembling
the Tamil name and the usage of these cups in Tiryns period gives
another proof of our contention that people had migrated to Greece
from Tamil regions in the Indian Ocean.
The 3rd type of stemmed cup is large and is very much in use in all
olden temples in Tamilnadu. Even today one can see it in old temples
kept near the deity. The main purpose was to store water. Look at the
huge stemmed vessel made of silver belonging to the famous
Srirangam temple in the picture below. The conch shaped vessel also
is shown with an arrow mark..
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http://www.bl.uk/onlinegallery/onlineex/apac/photocoll
/g/019pho0001008s3u00301000.html
During the bathing ceremony of the deity, water would be filled in the
huge stemmed vessel. The Conch shaped vessel would be immersed
in that water to fill it and then poured on the deity through the nozzle.
This tradition is antiquated and cannot be said that Greek vessels were
replicated in Indian temples. May be our opponents would have said
so had they known the similarity. Everything or every practice in the
Vedic culture comes with a rationale. Bathing the deity with shanku or
conch known as Shankabhisheka- is a special ritual. The water is
collected from holy rivers and tanks for bathing the deity. The huge
stemmed vessels are used for storing that water. The stem or Kambam
(in Tamil) helps in keeping the vessel elevated so that the priest could
easily take the water with the conch vessel and pour it on the deity in
quick succession. In olden days they did not use any bench or table
inside the sanctum sanctorum to keep the vessels elevated. (Today
they do so). The stemmed cup helps in storing water or ritual items
within hands reach.
The Mycenaean cup with conch design, looking similar to these
vessels and their use with conches in temples, shows the connection to
the Vedic society and Tamils in particular - in having its name Kylix,
closer to Tamil word KaLanjam! The use of Kylix degenerated in
course of time to serve wine and liquor.
KaLanjiyam refers to edible things. The same vessels are in use in
temples for storing food items also. The following photograph shows
temple cook carrying this vessel. He and others are seen going around
the temple with cooked food in their vessels to be offered to all the
deities installed in the temple. This is from the famous Srivilliputthur
temple in Tamilnadu.
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http://anudinam.org/2013/07/31/srivilliputtur-vijaya-varushathiruvaadipooram/
Thus we can see specific uses for the stemmed cups in Vedic culture.
The usage had been remembered with the associated shells by the
Pre-Greek society but got degenerated in course of time into the idea
of serving intoxicating beverages in the Greek society. Later it had a
rebirth in Christian faith. Which came first, Vedic or Mycenaean? Who
got it from whom?
An item of temple use and Vedic use from small Palikas to huge
stemmed vessels, the logical deduction is that many Vedic rituals,
Vedic ideas and Vedic deities had gone to Greece along with migrant
Tirayans.
As if to show this is true, there stands a testimony in Tiryns in the
form of a great hall called in Greek as Megaron. We will analyse that
in the next post.
(continued)
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