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Joshua Rosner
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http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-110hr3221enr/pdf/BILLS110hr3221enr.pdf
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House Financial Services Committee Holds Hearing on FHFA Update
on Sustainable Housing Finance, CQ CONGRESSIONAL
TRANSCRIPTS
Congressional Hearings
Jan. 27, 2015 - Final (See: I want to follow up on Mr. Royce's line of
questioning in regard to the funding of the Housing Trust Fund. Now,
you're obviously aware of section 1337. And basically, we have a
discussion about whether the GSEs are well capitalized. And if they're
undercapitalized, you really can't fund the Housing Trust Fund. Would
you agree with that?
W
Yes.
A TWell,
T : no.
D
Kind
U FFY
of?:
WATT:
Not undercapitalized. Be if they are not making a profit, I -- I absolute
agree with you. DUFFY: They have to be well-capitalized. WATT:
Capital is a whole different issue that basically when -- when the -- Fannie
and Freddie were put into conservatorship, the capital considerations went
away. Because basically, we don't have any capital at this point.
DUFFY: One of the drawbacks of statutes is you don't get to split hairs.
The language is usually pretty clear. And you would agree that the
language in the statute requires that the -- that the GSEs are wellcapitalized, not undercapitalized; correct?
W
They
A T--T :
(CROSSTALK)
D
Before
U FFYyou
: can fund the Housing Trust Fund,
you have to find that the GSEs are not undercapitalized; correct?
W A T T : No, I don't think that's the case. DUFFY: You think the GSEs
--W A T T : It says I can't make a decision causes or would cause the
enterprises to be classified as undercapitalized. But the decision about
capital was not on my plate. That was -- in the letter that I wrote that
reinstated the contributions, I specifically said that that provision nor the
third provision was applicable anymore, because they were in
conservatorship. It was the only -- only the first provision that -- that was
applicable to my decision.
D
Can
U FFY
you :direct me to the section of
the statute that says unless the GSEs are in conservatorship?
W A T T :
Well, there's nothing in there that says unless they're in conservatorship.
But we --D U FFY : Where did you come up with that?
W
BegA T T :
your --D U FFY : Where did you come up with that? That - WATT:
The conservatorship statute tells us what authorities we have in
conservatorship. It wouldn't be in the Housing Trust Fund statute.
DUFFY: So is your testimony that that trumps section 1337(b)?
WATT: I think the preferred stock purchase agreements trump (b)(2),
yes. DUFFY: So you're saying, just to be clear, that 1337(b), it doesn't
really apply and that you have the authority to fund the Housing Trust
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