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Posted: Sun Jun 06, 2010 6:20 am
Post subject: raft foundation by plate element in stadd pro
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while we design raft foundation by plate element in stadd pro,how we can see one way
shear,punching shear,how we can identify that thickness we provide to plate is correct and
economical? what are the sqx, sqy (in help content these defined as shear)? what should be the
values for safe design. please clairify these.
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Kooluthum Sukhesh
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 4:51 am
Post subject: Raft foundation design
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Dear Engr. Guruganesh,
First step is to identify the local axis of the element from nodal connectivity data. As we know, node
numbering of the nods for 4-noded plate shell element is 1-2-3-4 (I-J-K-L in the attached fig.) from left
bottom node to counterclockwise direction. If so our local x-axis is along the nodes 1-2 and that of y-axis
is along the 2-3 nodes and top plane is element top surface. (It is advisable to follow a consistent
patterern of node numbering during geometry meshing to bring local axis of all elements in one
direction)<xml><o></o>
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For shear force calculation we have to plot the stress contour for SQx- the out of plane shear across
x-section (cutting local x-axis) and SQy that across the local y(cutting local y). Product of average the
element stresses SQx along the line parallel to local y to the thickness will give the shear force Vx. and
that of SQy in a line parallel to local- x multiplied by thickness will give shear force Vy. (The plane of
shear shall be taken at a distance d from the face of column). Since in STAAD PRO out put element
stresses are at the centre of the element we can use direct linear interpolation for accuracy or use
higher value for conservative design.<o></o>
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Follow same procedure for finding the column punching shear force. But the shear plane shall be the
punching shear plane (A plane along the perimeter at a distance d/2 from the face of the
column).Product of average shear stress along this line (Vx along local y direction and Vy along local
x-direction) multiplied by thickness and perimeter will give the punching shear force.<o></o>
<o> </o>
For identifying the thickness requirement we have to check the depth requirement for bending, one way
shear, and punching and minimum crack width requirement. Thickness needs to be changed in the plate
model if not adequate by design. Repeat the procedure for final depth. <o></o>
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For economy we have to proportion the length and width of the footing.<o></o>
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sukanta.adhikari
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 5:14 am
Post subject: Re: raft foundation by plate element in stadd pro
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SQX, SQY are called Shear stresses (Force/ unit len./ thk.)...The sketch of STAAD help
menu explains this..PLease note STAAD analysis of plate will give shear stress value and not
shear force...for a foundation design we have shear force value and from that u find the shear
stress value by dividing shear force by area...here the calculation is simplifed..STAAD
directly gives the shear stress value and this is for one way shear...After getting this value
refer SP16 table 61 page 178....wherein depending on shear stress u can check the percentage
of reinforcement...
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S.Adhikari
gaurganesh wrote:
while we design raft foundation by plate element in stadd pro,how we can see one way
shear,punching shear,how we can identify that thickness we provide to plate is correct and
economical? what are the sqx, sqy (in help content these defined as shear)? what should be
the values for safe design. please clairify these.
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ganesh_gaud
Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2010 7:25 pm
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dear sir
i have another quary. as u said stadd gives stresses directly. when we see stress counter how can
we determine stress are not exceding permissible limit.
(i.e. we use M25 ,fe 415 % of steel 0.3, than according to sp-16 value comes out 0.39,than
when
we see stress counter should max value not exceed to 0.39 )
please give me your valuable suggetion
thanks and regards
ganesh gaur
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sukanta.adhikari
Posted: Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:40 am
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Dear friend,
It is not like this...u have done a analysis...after analysis u get the value of moment and shear
..next while designing we need to see that ur section is adequate enough to withstand this
moment and shear..and accordingly u provide the section and steel required..
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now for u case u got the shear stress say 0.33N/sq mm...for this the percentage of steel is 0.2%
as per SP16...provide this steel..in that way ur section will be be adequate to take this value of
shear stress...but yes there are some limit to the maximum value of shear strength of a
section...that u dont exceed...
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Regards,
S.Adhikari
gaurganesh wrote:
dear sir
i have another quary. as u said stadd gives stresses directly. when we see stress counter how
can we determine stress are not exceding permissible limit.
(i.e. we use M25 ,fe 415 % of steel 0.3, than according to sp-16 value comes out 0.39,than
when
we see stress counter should max value not exceed to 0.39 )
please give me your valuable suggetion
thanks and regards
ganesh gaur
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abhik_shar
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Hello Sefians
For elastic mat foundation( soil supported) , soil is modelled as spring
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I have noticed that the deflection profile of the mat as concave surface,
Foundation detal : 11m x 11m . pedestal 5m x 5m.
My question :
1.For bending one-way shear stress , I have to take maximum shear stress form STAAD file
(as in my case maximum shear is at the pedestal face)
or
2. I have to take at a distance effective distane from face of pedestal.
with regards
Abhishek Sharma
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ganesh_gaud
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dear sefians,
Joined: 05 Jun 2010

Posts: 58
i modelled raft in stadd as plate element give thickness 700mm i got max stress 1.43(sqx). is it
permissible or i have to increase thickness.moments are not too high (mx
300kn-m/m). according to is code two way shear is permissible is 1.25(.25*sqrt(25)).
please guide me.how can i check output stresses that comes from stress.
thanks in advance
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Radha krishna
Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2010 6:29 pm
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Posts: 70
Dear abhik_shar,
How you have modeled pedestal?
if it is beam element then the load will be applied at a single node instead of 25 m2 area (
increases the mat concave surface), preferable to apply distributed loads over the area.
Regarding the shear check you have to take effective depth from face of the pedestal.
abhik_shar wrote:
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Hello Sefians
For elastic mat foundation( soil supported) , soil is modelled as spring
I have noticed that the deflection profile of the mat as concave surface,
Foundation detal : 11m x 11m . pedestal 5m x 5m.
My question :
1.For bending one-way shear stress , I have to take maximum shear stress form STAAD file
(as in my case maximum shear is at the pedestal face)
or
2. I have to take at a distance effective distane from face of pedestal.
with regards
Abhishek Sharma
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ganesh_gaud
Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 6:05 pm
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hi sefine
i request to experts please give their valuable suggestion on following
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1. while designing raft or shear wall by plate elemets, any stresses should not exceed in any case
tau c max as give in IS456 table no 20.
2. if stresses are with in limit i.e. tau c given in table 19 than shear reinforcement could be
nominal otherwise should provided accordingly tau V.
are above obsevations correct?
what should be the correct approach to check shear wall or raft that is done by plate element.
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