Magna Carta, how did it become permanent? >> That's a story that belongs to the next reign. The reign of King John's son and successor, King Henry III. When John died in October 1216, he really had done the best thing that he could have done in the circumstances. Because in a sense that solved England's problems at a stroke. His son was a nine year old boy. That is to say, in legal terms, he was a minor. And you could not blame the sins of the father on the son. He was a young innocent. But, of course, being nine, he could not actually run the country himself. A regent had to be appointed. Someone who could run, run the country on his behalf. And fortunately there was a man waiting in the wings ready to act as regent. Fine man and true the greatest and most famous baron of his day, the great Marshall William Marshall, Earl of Pembroke. He became regent and ran the country and the king's name. And there was another man in England at the time who also deserves credit for what follows. Not such a well known figure, but this was the papal legate, Guala. The pope's representative in England. And between them, Guala and the Marshal were responsible for a program of pacification. And what they did was take the original version of the charter, agreed here at Runnymede, which as I've said was in many ways quite an extreme document. They took the original version of the charter, shredded it of all its most controversial clauses. They knocked out all the clauses that were specific to John and the problems of John's reign. Took this slimmed down document and reassuited as the new king's peace offering to his subjects. In origin, it was an opposition document. Marshal and Guala reissued it as a royal document. Well the trick didn't work the first time. They tried it November, 1216. It didn't work because the country was
still divided, the war was still going on.
But they tried again a year later, in November 1217. And by then, they were winning the Civil War. They had actually won it. And this time the trick worked. It was a master stroke. The slimmed down Magna Carta 1217 reissue became the basis on which England was pacified. It was reissued again in 1225, this time divided into two documents, the original Magna Carta and the charter of the forest. And that was the reissue that was regarded as definitive, accepted by everyone. And it was at that stage, I think, 1225, that we can say Magna Carta became the law of the land, the foundation statute of the English state. >> That really is a remarkable transformation from its almost near dismissal when John wants to ignore it to say then his death. And then the statesman like abilities of these two individuals manage to turn it, transform it and give it the durability and the longevity with which, why we still have it today. >> The Marshal and Guala deserve the credit, I think due to political visionaries. England was in a terrible state at the time of King John's death. England was a bitterly divided nation. They began the process, not only of pacification but of unification. And Magna Carta in its revised state became the symbol of that. That's how it became permanent. >> It's interesting they represent a secular individual and a papal legate so you've got the religious and the secular sides working together, which may be one of the reasons why they managed to pull that trick off. >> That's absolutely right. And the presence of Guala, an Italian in England, helps to remind us of the story of Magna Carta has a place in European history, not just in English history. Back in Italy, Guala founded the Abbey of Vercelli, in the Italian Alps. And the Magna Carta anniversary is being marked there, as well, Guala's Abbey. >> So how would you sum up the place of Magna Carta in English history? Does it really deserve its fame? >> Yes I think it does deserve its fame.
It had its limitations,
as I said in its original version in 1215, it was quite an extreme quite a partisan document. But that was taken care of in the reissues. I think it's also fair to say, it should not be seen in an exclusively English context. As I just mentioned when talking about the Pope, other people were involved. And in other parts of Europe, at the time, there were other documents published limiting royal authority. One of the most famous is a document that was agreed in Hungary in the 1220s, limiting the power of King Andrew of Hungary. The problem that the barons were wrestling with in England in the early 13th century. How do you bring the king under control? That crucial question of authority. That was one being addressed by people in other parts of Europe at this very time. So what's distinctive about Magna Carta is not so much that it was drawn up, as that it survived. And we've seen, that that was partly because of the master stroke of Guala and the Marshal in taking this document which was [...] in origin an opposition document. And reissuing it as part of the pacification program. But it's also, the people in England in the 13th century found it useful. They wanted it. They made use of it. They saw it as a touchstone of good government. A guarantee of their liberties. You find case after case in the courts in the 13th Century where litigants appeal to Magna Carta. Rather as they do today. They appeal to Magna Carta in support of their case. They point to this clause or that clause of Magna Carta. And they said, that protects my interests. And even more interesting, you find people transcribing, that is to say, making copies of Magna Carta for their own use. Great landowners, abbeys, cathedrals, commissioned copies, transcripts of Magna Carta, which they kept with all their other essential documents
in their archives, because they needed to.
It was useful. They might find themselves involved in litigation themselves. They needed to dig out Magna Carta and see what it's, so that they could point to it. Cite this clause, or that clause in Magna Carta in support of their case. And quite a number of these later transcripts of Magna Carta survive. And we'll be looking at a couple of them that have come down to us, preserved in the Library at the Society of Antiquaries in London.
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