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Dear Sefians,
Though this may seem a trivial question, I am intrigued by the underlying meaning of mode
shapes. Hence, I request all to kindly contribute to the following queries:
1. What is the meaning of mode shapes in dynamic analysis of MDOF system? Why do not we
consider other shapes in between?
2. Is it true that only the vibration in mode shapes are simple harmonic? Why?
3. When a building is subjected to an earthquake, does the building undergo different mode
shapes at different instances of earthquake wave? I mean when does a building undergo
vibration in different mode shapes or is it that a building vibrates in combination of mode
shapes?
Please clarify in simple language.
with best regards,
aditya
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Dear All,
I would like to request Dr. Kunal Kansara and others to kindly put forward his views on this topic
so that everybody is enlightened.
with best reagrds,
aditya
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Dear Mr Aditya,
I suppose these matters in one way or other has been discussed at some point of time in the
forum, but I am not too sure so I am proposing my say on this. However, you may please
explore previous discussions on similar matters and perhaps you might get some more
interesting expressions for your query previously explained by some dynamics and EQ legends
fortunately available right on this forum!
1. What is the meaning of mode shapes in dynamic analysis of MDOF system? Why do not we
consider other shapes in between?
Any real structure will have its mass and for its give form it will have its unique mass distribution
as well as stiffness (or flexibility). These two properties when seen together define basic
characteristics of that structure particularly in domain of its dynamics. On lighter side and as a
crude simulation, but still staying technical, I propose two very well known veteran cinema
actors, namely Padma Bhushan Dr Amitabh Bachchan and Mr Dharmendra Deol. You might
perhaps know how well they actually dance!!! From the first look itself one may say that Dr
Bachchan possesses less mass and more flexibility than Mr Dharmendra, and hence is the
difference in their dance moves! For this example, one may easily find who dances better
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Indrajit Barua.
On Tue, 04 Aug 2009 kunalkansara wrote :
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Dear Mr Aditya,
I suppose these matters in one way or other has been
discussed at some point of time in the forum, but I am
not too sure so I am proposing my say on this. However,
you may please explore previous discussions on similar
matters and perhaps you might get some more interesting
expressions for your query previously explained by some
dynamics and EQ legends fortunately available right on
this forum!
1. What is the meaning of mode shapes in dynamic
analysis of MDOF system? Why do not we consider other
shapes in between?
Any real structure will have its mass and for its give
form it will have its unique mass distribution as well
as stiffness (or flexibility). These two properties
when seen together define basic characteristics of that
structure particularly in domain of its dynamics. On
lighter side and as a crude simulation, but still
staying technical, I propose two very well known
veteran cinema actors, namely Padma Bhushan Dr Amitabh
Bachchan and Mr Dharmendra Deol. You might perhaps know
how well they actually dance!!! From the first look
itself one may say that Dr Bachchan possesses less mass
and more flexibility than Mr Dharmendra, and hence is
the difference in their dance moves! For this example,
one may easily find who dances better qualitatively as
quantitative answer (such as how much better one
dances?) is not generally required. Similarly for a
structure also, its mass and stiffness decides
primarily as to how it will dance (i.e. vibrate) when
it is acted upon by an external disturbance. But we
surely need to capture this dance quantitatively so
that we can include it into our analysis and model
using our computers. And for this, we engineers as
usual get back to our trusted language mathematics.
Mode shapes, in this sense, are a mean of quantifying
structural vibrations for our own structural purposes.
As stated earlier, mass, stiffness and their
distributions are the key characteristic parameters. As
we know that a real structure is made up of real
material and geometric form so in reality all its
elements carry some mass and some stiffness for sure.
But in order to simplify the picture, we need to
identify in a structure which elements predominently
represent mass and which predominently represent
stiffness. Thus, a real structure we convert into an
equivalent model in which at some points we can lump
the mass conveniently and workout how stiffness can be
represented. Depending upon how much degrees of freedom
are really warranted for practical purposes, we thus
arrive at a dynamically simulated equivalent model
which can conveniently describe its vibration
mathematically. The pattern of vibration, in
quantitative terms, is the mode shape of that structure;
number of possible mode shapes depends upon the
degrees of freedom we have considered. Higher the DOFs
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vikramjeet
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Dear kunal,
Excellent sir!!, I have read your post for sevaral times coz I enjoyed the beauty of narration.
coming to my query in same context ,
For designing tall buildings,
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kunalkansara
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Dear Mr Prasad,
A real structure actually will have infinite number of mode shapes possible. In order to turn the
problem at hand to finite possibilities, we convert the real structure into a practically equivalent
model with masses lumped at convenient locations and carrying just limited DOFs that are
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sufficient for practical purposes as a simplification. Even on such simplifications, we are still left
with many possible mode shapes. (It is also a possibility that many modes carry same
frequency, of course this is of a very remote possibility, however, having mode shapes with very
nearby sitting frequencies is not uncommon in civil structures).
1) is there any importance to 1st mode and order of modes.
Order of modes or giving mode numbers is just a convenient (ascending frequency) arrangement
for better presentation and to have a common basis for understating relative frequency
contents associated with two modes at hand. For example, if you are presented with two
vertical modes of a bridge structure with the information that one of them is the 3rd mode and
the other is the 5th mode, you will immediately realize their relative frequency contents
qualitatively. Such an arrangement gives logic and clarity in interpretation and uniformity in
presentation. Except this convenience there are no more things associated with the order of the
modes. Ease in developing machine codes for software programs is an added advantage! You
will appreciate that for an (idealised) structure standing in a particular site (having some
predominant seismological characteristics), theoretically only one mode and practically only a few
modes, out of the possible bunch of modes, that is of use. First (or fundamental) frequency is
the one carrying the lowest frequency content (and thereby having highest time period and
highest flexibility) of this bunch of possible modes and is generally distinguished from rest of the
modes as it gives the start point of the possible modes and their frequencies. This is to say that
if you are presented with a structure with the information that its fundamental mode is having
frequency 9.8 Hz, you will immediately realize that the structure carries ALL of the possible
modes with frequencies 9.8 Hz or higher. Such a way gives us the dynamic status of a structure
e.g. a bridge structure with fundamental frequency 0.1 Hz (i.e. time period 10 s) can be said too
flexible!
2)it is efficient that torsional(rotation) mode (abt vertical should not be fall in first two modes and
frist two modes should be transitional modes. why as long as modes are uncoupled ?.
The prime objective of carrying out modal analysis of a structure is to find out various possible
modes and their associated frequencies in order to see if there exists any possibility of
resonance with the external forcing functions. Knowledge of such dynamic characteristics of the
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Dear Mr Pravin,
Many thanks for your trust in me. However, regarding the freshers, I am rather confident in their
abilities. Whom we quote the freshers now, will be the hardcore intellectuals of the future, as I
see 20 years from now. The engineers of the 17-18th centuries have gifted us huge so called
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technologies when they started manufacturing steel and steam engines and claimed them the
most innovative developments for the future. And the engineers of the 19-20th centuries were
so much addicted to these so-called developments so much so that just in 3 centuries, we have
put the sustainability of 5000 years old civilisation at stake, in the name of developments!! For
the engineers of 17-18th centuries there was a full open ground available without thinking of
any pollutions, congestions, etc and the developments were almost unconditional. The 19-20th
century engineers, as a consequence, essentially have to see some stringent controls before
claiming anything as development! However, for the next generation of engineers sustainability
is not just essentiality but a survival instinct. After all they still have to carry on with the
developments to which we have made them addicted and additionally have to correct all the
errors and omissions the previous generations of engineers have done!!! What a giant
constraint we have gifted them! But rest be assured, the next-gen engineers will be much more
innovative and will carry much smarter DNAs than we do!!!
Cheers,
Kunal Kansara
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