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Determining the "Lagna first" is not KP.

The main intention is to make clear of confusion made by some
in learning KP for beginners. Here determining the "Lagna
first" is not KP, i.e. for winning the competitive award (like in
Message 40093), winning lottery, becoming rich, (like in
Message 40093) getting married or child etc. there is no need
to determine Lagna potential first, for instance in the case of
marriage, no need to check whether Lagna is strong or
whether 1st CSL signifies 2,7,11 first, before considering
whether 7th CSL signifies 2,7,11.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/40093
2. Without knowing a) who is the author of Astro Secrets & KP
books Part I to III and b) in which kind of cases Late Sri M.P.
Shanmugam, the author of Astro Secrets & KP books Part I,
applied the Lagna strength, the inappropriate place of
reference "page 313 most probably" is mentioned. Of course,
Sri M.P. Shanmugamdoes not consider the Lagna potential for
marriage, child birth etc. in his book, i.e. no general
consideration of Lagna first.
//Astro Secrets & KP books written by KSK's son//
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/40183
3. In fact the proper reference for Lagna lord strength is on pp
95-96 of Astro Secrets & KP books Part I by Late Sri M.P.
Shanmugam as shown below.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/890
KP HOUSE GROUPING Part 1 (Courtesy of KPE-zine Oct
2007 issue or KP Navrtnamala part-2, free download
@ http://kpastrologer.com/
C S Subject Matter
PN
1
LAGNA LORD
1 1 Very Strong
Lagna Lord

2 Middle Strength
Lagna Lod

Houses to
be signified
2,3,9,10,
11,4

2,3,9,10,
11,4

Joint DBA

Remark

Lagna Lord occupying any

one of houses shown and
tenanting in the stars
of 2,10,11 lords and
occupants
Lagna Lord not occupying
any one of houses shown but

3 Weak Lagna
Lord - 1

2,3,9,10,
11,4

4 Weak Lagna
Lord - 2

5,8,12

5 Very Weak
Lagna Lord

5,8,12

1
LAGNA STRENGTH
1 1 Strong Lagna
2,3,10,6 &
9,11 if not
Badhaka
2 Weak Lagna
6,8,12 or 5,
8,12 &
Badhaka

occupying 5 or 8 or 12 and
tenanting in the stars
of 2,10,11 lords
and occupants
Lagna Lord not occupying
any of houses shown but
tenanting in the stars
of 5,8,12 lords and occupants
Lagna Lord ocupying any of
houses shown and tenanting
in the stars of 2,10,11 lords
and occupants
Lagna Lord occupying any of
houses shown and also
tenanting in the stars
of 5,8,12 lords and occupants
Lagna Sbl connected to
houses shown and not
connected to 8
Lagna Sbl connected to
houses shown in
combination other than a
single separate house

4. If one had some knowledge about KB/Baskaran Astrology or

KCIL, at least as referred below, he could have given a proper
reference of KB or KCIL books with general application of
1st CSL along with the required CSL related to the matter
under study. So determination of Lagna first is KB or KCIL but
not KP or Sri Shanmugam's.
//3. KP: No mention about the potential of a Horoscope.
KB: Advocacy of determining the potential first, by using
Lagna.//
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/880
//child birth is Lagna involved matter.... If Lagna CSL is
favourable to 5th, there is strong fate for child birth.//
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/37832
5. Since we've discussed about 4 Step Theory, KCIL with their
inventor or authority, no comment on here say statement
regarding these systems.
6. KP means Krishnamurti Padhdhati, compiled in his master
piece of the six KP Readers, as clearly defined in the
constitution of this KP forum after a long and intense
discussion, as aware by long time members.

Definition of KP System:
For the forum, everything that is written in 6 readers is 'KP'. In
case there is contradictions among various editions of KP
readers, 1971 editions will be given preference.
All further extenstion/ change to KP like including 'sub as a
significator in case no planet in its star', 4-step, and cuspal
interlinks, Dr. Kar's theory should be referred as 'stellar
systems' but not KP.
http://kpastrology.astrosage.com/forum-constitution
7. How can we say whatever written in the over a hundred
books based on KP is KP?
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/22738
8. Guru ji KSK encourages research to come up with new idea
supported by sufficient evidence of charts to be practically
applicable, but not by any single statement like in the story of
blind men, as said on p 371 of the KP Vol. 2 of 1966 below:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/24500319/krishnamurti-Padhdhati//
9. Finally,
//Lastly I want to tell you that, simply by writing a mail
with LARGE RED FONTSwill neither prove the point, nor your
maturity!!!//
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/k_p_system/message/40066
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Luther Rath
Message 62 of 62 , Sep 2, 2012
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Dear Natarajanji,
I am extremely sorry. Mine was a general openion only. Many a times people ask the
same question to more than one astrologer. That is the reason. I never intended to
hurt your emotion.
You are verry correct, if the system is accurate all astrologers should reach at the
same answer.You yourself admit "Even my experience with direct diciples of GURUJI
KP was disappointing."
What I conceive is that, the system is unquestionable. Simply, we need to develop
the systen towards completion. Unfortunately KSK passed away while he had to do

much more research. His sons became more commercial than researchminded.
Secondly each astrologer, even direct students of KSK, are not competent enough to
select the fruitful RPs, fruitful significators for aparticular event, in fixing the DBA and
transits of the planets. When more than astrologer take horary/natal for the same
query, they get different Rps too. This is the reason each one gives a different
answer. Our discussions in the group never lead us to an agreement. The messages
are only openions. No concluding paragraph appears before ending the issue. I think
there should be a pannel to declare a conclusion from long discussions. There is no
leader which the group lacks.
Due Regards Natarajanji.
Dr. Rath

From: Natarajan Viswanathan <natarajan.viswanathan@...>

To: "k_p_system@yahoogroups.com" <k_p_system@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, August 31, 2012 11:49 PM
Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge

Dear Dr.RATH,

Namasthe.I think you have wrongly Understood my question.My intention is

not to test the astrologers,but to test the efficacy of the the system.If a system
is scientific then it should give the same result all the time for all.I am trying
to find out a system that will be accepted by one and all.The basic thing of
KP SYSTEM lies with very accurate birth moment as for natal charts
concerned.This is not a problem with KP HORARY.Inspite of our GURUJI
KSK introduced his superb techinique 40 years back why there is a lot of
confusion among KP FOLLOWERS.It seems people have still not got the
epicenter of KP SYSTEM.Only when
questions are raised,then only answers will come.I started learning KP 30
YEARS before.
Even to day my predictions are not coming always correct and many of my
predictions have come meticulusly correct.I am still a student of KP
SYSTEM.Even my experience with direct diciples of GURUJI KP was
disappointing.I am sure you will understand me.
With the best REGARDS
V.Natarajan

From: Luther Rath <rathluther@...>

To: "k_p_system@yahoogroups.com" <k_p_system@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2012 3:33 PM
Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge

Dear Natarajanji,
Sorry to intervene, kindly excuse me.
In case you ask the same question i.e. BTR, to 3 or 4 astrologers, it is understood
that you have no confidence on the particular astrologers. You are trying to test each
of them. This is not fare. If you are not fare the result will never be correct. One has
to approach an astrologer with full urge, sincerity, faith and confidence. This is what I
can say. Let us wait what Lajmiji tells us about this.
Dr. Rath

From: Natarajan Viswanathan <natarajan.viswanathan@...>

To: "k_p_system@yahoogroups.com" <k_p_system@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, August 28, 2012 3:32 PM
Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge

Dear Mr.Yogesh Lajmi,

On the subject matter please clarify the following.

To rectfy birth time using ruling planets at the time of judgement,suppose if i
have made a request for BTR to 3 or 4 KP followers and each one of them
choose a different time on different dates , will every one arrive at the same
rectified birth time? If the method is perfectly correct ,i think,the divne force
will make every one to choose a particular
time on the day of judgement so as to arrive at the same correct birth
time.Kindly give your considered view on the same.

Regards,
V.Natarajan

From: Yogesh Lajmi <yogeshlajmi@...>

To: "k_p_system@yahoogroups.com" <k_p_system@yahoogroups.com>
Cc: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@...>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 11:46 AM
Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge [1 Attachment]

Dear Dhirendranathji,

Am sending alongwith a lecture on Rectification

of Birth Time & Exact TOB...delivered by me at a seminar organised
by Shri Gondhalekarji,at Thane...
Pl peruse and send your comments,if any...
With best wishes,

Yogesh Lajmi.
GOOD LUCK !

From: Dhirendra Nath Misra <dhirendranathmisra@...>

To: "k_p_system@yahoogroups.com" <k_p_system@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, 25 August 2012 11:36 PM
Subject: Re: [k_p_system] What is KP? BTR Rule Vs.Real Urge

Dear Sirs,
RECTIFICATION OF BIRTH TIME & EXACT TIME OF BIRTHRuling planets of query time also tells the exact time of birth.I
have found it to be correct.Revered Guru ji Prof.K.S.K basically

used to use this technique for BTR.But for this consultant must
have to bow down his head before supreme power with a great
urge to know his exact time of birth and then only
knowledgeable astrologer would be able to tell the secret of
this secret and divine science.Now a days Astrologers use
ruling planets of judgement time only. Besides what has been
mentioned above,it is also a secret of this secret and divine
science that when a consultant would get an opportunity to
approach a knowledgeable Astrologer with a great urge to put
his query before him.Astrologer must be a spiritual person
besides what bookish and practical knowledge he has
gathered. Please correct me,if I'm wrong.Perhaps this was the
reason that BTR Experiment thread failed for want of real
URGE.
With thanks & regards,
Dhirendra Nath Misra.