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Also, can we think of cases where paying back what we owe to people would in fact do more
harm than good? If a friend asks me to hold his car keys and then, hours later, returns to me,
highly inebriated, and demands to have them back. Should I give them to him? I hope all of you
would withhold the keys and let our friend sleep it off.
After this discussion, Polemarchus joins in and asserts that justice is giving to each what is
owed to him. This is a variation on Cephaluss definition. It is also the second definition of
justice given in the text. Socrates never really objects to this definition. He does however argue
that not every application of this definition would be appropriate. He asks Polemarchus to give
some concrete examples of what we owe to others and when, he then moves the argument
forward from there.
Polemarchus then says that friends owe to friends to give them benefits or otherwise do good to
them (not harm). He then says that to enemies, we should give harm to them (not good to them).
Socrates then goes off on a bit of a tangent and asks Polemarchus what justice is useful for. This
discussion then leads Polemarchus to contradict himselfthat is, to say that a just person is a
thiefthis is the consequence of Polemarchus account of justice, at least as far as Polemarchus
understands it.
Socrates then argues that on the basis of doing good to friends and harm to enemies, it sometimes
is the case that we are mistaken about who our friends are and who our enemies are. We can be
mistaken about who is good and who is bad, who is just and who is unjust. Can it really be the
role of the just man to harm anyone?
At which point Thrasymachus interrupts and says that Justice is the advantage of the stronger
that might makes right. This is the third definition. Socrates responds by saying that yes
indeed justice is an advantage but it is not the advantage of the strongerit is the advantage of
the weakerwho benefits from justice. Do rulers really rule to their own advantage or to the
advantage of their subjects? Are rulers infallible when prescribing laws? These questions lead
Socrates to say something like the following: since rulers have no advantage from being a ruler,
they must receive a wagetheir benefit is that they are not ruled by someone worse than they
are.