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so i'm talking with peter fenner
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here in Vancouver and this is part 2 of our conversation
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there's nothing we need to do so why bother
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about what ?
anything
I don't really understand the question
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because in this moment there's nothing for us to worry about
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so what we're doing is we are discovering
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a state of consciousness within which
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its actually impossible to create problems
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that's what's happening
there are lots of different layers or levels of
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consciousness
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when we're identified with highly conditioned states of consciousness
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then we were relating to what's happening in terms of
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attachment and aversion
I want this to happen, it's fantastic, I want it to continue
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or pushing things away
this is terrible I can't stand this, I want this to
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immediately
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be different
so that's at a cost level of
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consciousness
so what we're doing is we're cultivating
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a more refined or gaining access to more refined states of consciousness
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in which when we open into an
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unconditioned state of consciousness
we can't
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create a problem, it's impossible to do it
we can't
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deploy energy in making things right or wrong
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and in a way that's the definition of non-dual awareness
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it's going beyond the capacity
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or the need to make things right or wrong


great! yeah
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yes that clarifies
mmm
I have another question
Please
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it is in another direction and has to do with belief structures
the people's beliefs
Yeah...
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does this
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type of work that you're doing
what help
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people's belief structures
what happens to faith
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and belief and IdeaS in this work
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well, in in one way everything continues
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in the way that it has
because our
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conditioning continues
we continue to think and feel and so on
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but one thing that happens is that
we don't believe
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our thoughts in the same way that we typically do
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it's interesting without thoughts that we think something
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and its so easy to believe
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what we think
we think in a way that WE Are
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terribly convincing to ourselves
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we think this shouldn't be happening to me and we believe it
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so when we open into non-dual awareness is
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possible for those same thoughts to be arising
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but we don't necessarily believe them
they just move through
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as a function of our conditioning and
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like we're just still connecting with open free space
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and not becoming identified with our thoughts
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so its identity in relation to thoughts and perceptions?

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its identity but it's even more radical than that
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because in the non-dual traditions
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we look at
we don't just asume
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that because we think that we exist
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that we do exist
we don't asume that
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because we think
me I
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mine you yours
thousands and thousands of times a day
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that there is an I
that there is a me
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so one of the techniques going back to your
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your earlier question is looking at
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the question of Who am I
A traditional
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form of inquiry that we find not only in
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buddhist non-dualism but in Hindu non-dualism as well
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so we look at who is the experiencer of
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everything that's being experienced
who is the
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thinker
who is the feeler and if we look at that
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it's interesting a thing happens
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that we cannot find ourselves
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If I try to find who is talking to you at the moment
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certainly there are words, there's an awareness of words
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If I try to find who is talking
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or who is aware
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right,
of what's happening here in this moment
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I can't find myself
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It's like I open up in a way
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that I include everything that is


I can't find the boundary
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between myself and
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the world
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I can't find a boundary between the inside and the outside
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There's a sense in which I or we become
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centerless
we can't find a center
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and that centerless state includes everything
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that is
Very beautiful!
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macLone often quoted the
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medieval philosophers who talked about
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mmm
god as being an entity with centers
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everywhere
and circumference nowhere
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so its similar, it's exactly the same
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thought expressed in other language, isn't it?
it is
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you say no center, they say
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everything centers
Yes, or infinite centers
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yeah
all all of which is awareness beyond
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our limitations
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whatever we call that
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yeah
so you convey this
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teaching in language, in experiential work
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how do you work
it's experiential, the work unfolds
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as a contemplative dialogue
so the mood is contemplative
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is very organic and smooth
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often we enter into

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states of natural meditation
that's when meditation
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is happening not as a project, not as something that we're
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doing, but is just arising as a natural
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occurence with a sense of openess
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deep serenity, bliss, so that's
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natural meditation that emerges
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when in a way we let go of trying to get somewhere
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so we're not longer involved in that project
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of thinking that things aren't efficient
that things need to be different
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and there's something that we need to do
so in a way
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what we do in radiant mind is we dismantle the path
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sounds strange, but we dismantle the path
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which allows us to be at the fruition of the path
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when we dismantle the path then
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actually, we can't say where we are
we don't need to say
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where we are, one thing we can say is that
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there's no way further to go
that we're no longer on the path
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so you could say we've arrived at the completion of the path
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because it's impossible to take another step
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If we think: can I make this better, can I improve on this in some way
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just does not make sense, it's impossible
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that thought just doesn't have any
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traction, you know, how can we make this better
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how can we enhance this, can we diminished this
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no we can't, and there, that signals that we
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are in that state of non-dual awareness
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thank you
thank you

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