THE HEALTH REVOLUTION EPISODE 10

CLIVE DE CARLE INTERVIEW TONY PANTALLERESCO

Clive: Welcome to The Health Revolution and today Im particularly pleased to invite via
Skype from Canada Tony Pantalleresco and he is a brilliant herbalist, a researcher, an
inventor one might say of many healing remedies, hes also written three books and he has a
host of incredibly informative videos and an incredibly informative website and Ive learnt
masses from Tony and Im sure in future all of you will, particularly tonight! Welcome
Tony...
Tony: Hi Clive Im in my work haven here, this is where I get it all done!
Clive: Tell us what youre doing right now, what are the things that youre working on
currently, whats exciting you?
Tony: At the moment I kind of formulate ideas in regard to prepping, everyones into
prepping right now because everyones looking at the global insanity going on like chemtrails
coming down on us, genetics happening, vaccines and all this stuff so people are prepping but
a lot of the time what theyre putting together are foods that have all these contaminants in
them like the soy and the canola and the disodium guanylates so if youre consuming these
prepped foods that youre storing or stockpiling you can still wind up with a lot of the health
conditions that youre facing now but without the existence of people like myself or you or
health shops where you can go and get antidotes or remedies that can alleviate some of these
poisons so we did a show last week showing people how to make shelters using trees and
knowing whats around you, knowing botanicals and whats in the area, so at the moment Im
trying to formulate things around those lines that if you are prepping you can minimise
getting cancer for instance, you can minimise having a breakdown of joints or minimise any
kind of respiratory issues or brain dysfunctionalities because youre going to need your brain,
youre going to need your wits about you if youre in that kind of situation so the last thing
you want to be doing is eating things that are going to have any kind of prolonged
degenerating effect on the brain or the neural network or the digestive system or the
respiratory system or the heart. If were in that kind of situation we want to be using things
that are fortifying, building and immunising because youre still going to be dealing with
chemtrails, you may not be dealing with lithium and fluoride in the water but you may be
dealing with fungal or other environmental pathogenic materials that you may be using from
your drinking water at that time because youre going to have to filter out your own water,
youre going to have to sanitise your own water. So along those lines and showing people
maybe and getting things ready so people have an idea what to do and how to do it and what
you might want to have on hand when that happens if it happens.
Clive: On a daily basis what do you feel people should be taking in the way of foods and
supplements and perhaps detoxing as well, just on a regular day to day basis, in the old days
we might have taken a multi-mineral say and now we know those are perhaps as safe as they

were if you buy them from a supermarket. I know that youre very much into making your
own supplements and encouraging and showing people how to do it, what would you
recommend for just day to day health?
Tony: 3 top supplements that I would probably push the most would be enzymes (especially
if youre past the age of 40), iodine, ascorbic acid and sulphur and maybe phosphorus, some
form whether it be through sunflower lecithin or egg yolk lecithin or some kind of sulphur
based foods or phosphorus based foods because of the continual over moding of the radiation
thats falling from the sky, from the chemtrails, the metals that were absorbing, from the
nano silver that were eating, from the vegetables that theyre spraying and again the
chemtrail fallout, fluoride in the water, the lithium in the water and other powerful
components, the zeno oestrogens, the fibroid oestrogens that were consuming again through
the drinking water and through the foods. The iodine, phosphorus and sulphur will help to
clean a lot of that out on a regular basis, the vitamin C to help protect the body while its
detoxing a lot of this stuff out, the enzymes again to help you in facilitating the bodily
functions that are required on a daily basis whether theyre to convert the minerals into
oxidants, convert the fats into hormones, to utilise the proteins and break them down into
proper aminos and the anti-oxidants that need to be utilised by the enzymes to be converted.
So enzymes are very key, I think there are probably the most important thing predominantly
that everybody should be taking overall, without them nothing happens, right next to
enzymes I would probably say Probiotics. I would say 80% - 90% of the population on the
planet today is probably having digestive issues and thats a result of eating soy, all the
grains, theres not one grain that I can research that shows that they have not been genetically
altered or engineered, these things thrive and grow inside the body, they do not break down,
they create all kinds of mayhem, they destroy the colon, they destroy the respiratory, they
destroy the endocrine system, the reproductive system so again I dont see any need to be
eating any grains today unless you can get them from non GMO and grow them in a
greenhouse I dont see any point in even having them today but because a lot of people are
having them and are compromised they cant digest. A stripping agent, the best stripping
agent I have seen to date that works unequivocally nothing comes close to it that Ive seen
is sodium thiosulphate, using that orally for 4 weeks, 5 grams of that or one teaspoon of that
with one teaspoon of ascorbic acid before going to bed every night, Ive seen that do more for
pulling out morgellons fibres and amber crystals and metals and layers off the colon, off the
lining, it strips the layers, it pulls parasites out, Ive never seen anything that even comes
close to this in regard to this in doing the job properly. Theses colon cleanse kits they
actually exasperate the colon unless theyve got a high pectin or charcoal base to them I dont
see the need to be using any of them except for the sodium thiosulphate which I have to say,
using it myself Ive not seen anything I mean NOTHING that comes even remotely close.
Clive: Right well Id like to come back to sodium thiosulphate in a moment but Id like to
rewind a little bit to enzymes, how would you suggest that we get the enzymes?
Tony: Any way you can! I mean I use a pancreatic enzyme, for diabetic people I give them
a high concentration of pancreatic enzyme, theres a company here called Solgard, theyve
got one of the strongest ones out there that you can buy, Im not sure what you have in the

UK but anything thats above 50,000 USP units or they may be using FCC units in Europe,
anything in the high end of the proteolytic levels and the analytic levels on the cellulose
levels, the lipase levels, the higher the better. Your foods today are completely genetically
engineered whether were aware of it or not, theyre packaging it, boxing it, bagging it,
whatever its been genetically engineered. You can get them from using pineapple, papaya,
kiwi, things of that nature, using vinegar, peppermint, ginger, these will also help assimilating
enzyme activity and to help break down proteins and fats in the body even using roots like
comfrey root or comfrey leaf this too will help because this is pepsin in the colon any way
you can get it whatever works, use it!
Clive: And Ive watched several of your videos regarding fermentation, presumably one
could make ones own enzymes partially in the fermentation process, could one open the
capsules of the pancreatic enzymes and put them in the ferment along with the comfrey root
and the other items that you mentioned and create the whole thing in one big ferment?
Tony: I really dont know, it may break down what youre trying to ferment with it.
Fermentation is the process of breaking down solid matter into a smaller matter and releasing
whatever the components are, by adding the enzyme to whatever youre doing it may actually
break it down for you. I mean for instance I tell people that take a B vitamin or B complex or
even single Bs and put them either in a kefir or yoghurt, mix 2 ounces and open up a capsule
and let it sit overnight on the counter because what will happen is the Probiotics will convert
and break it down for you one step and start utilising it for you so by the time you drink it and
get it down itll get past the first pass in the stomach, it gets into the colon, its absorbed
immediately and instead of getting a 25% absorption rate youre getting closer to 70%
absorption rate and therefore you get a higher concentration of B12, folic acid, B1, choline,
these now will be absorbed and will be more readily utilised so Id encourage people
especially if youve been compromised IBS, Crohns, leaky gut or the 25 other intestinal
disorders that theyre prescribing today, this is a godsend for a lot of them and even the
yoghurt can help even regrow a new colon for some people whove had surgical procedures
through shortening the colon. Using things like colostrum, MSM, cursitan, this also helps
repair the colon so anything youre going to put in a yoghurt, especially a B complex, nothing
beats it, anybody who tries it within three days will tell you ???? off the chart because now
theyre absorbing those nutrients more efficiently.
Clive: And as far as a source of B vitamins what do you think of brewers yeast or
nutritional yeast?
Tony: I wouldnt use it today primarily because weve been so inundated with genetics
the ??? has bound to the colon so any yeast you consume today is going to create a problem
and it may even create an overgrowth because its going to react inside. If you clean it out it
may work then but for the most part a lot of people who take brewers yeast will have a
reaction and the primary cause of that action is because its mixing with something thats
already stuck or embedded inside of you that hasnt moved in whatever time frame its been
there and so now you have a reaction. People tell me for instance that they have a dairy
reaction or they have a wheat reaction, sometimes its not a dairy reaction that theyre

actually having unless theyre drinking store bought pasteurised crap or GMO wheat, its the
GMOs that are causing the majority of the problem, its not whether youre eating a meat or
vegetable or dairy product its the fact that youve got residuals inside of you thats been there
for quite some time thats been accumulating pollutants and other things and then when you
do eat something of any value your getting ???????? but in a different fashion so until that is
cleaned out or reduced drastically youre always going to have these kind of issues going on.
Clive: I had a 28 year old client come to me a few years ago and she took bentonite clay and
psyllium husks and out came a small piece of yellow Lego which she feels she must have
swallowed at least 20 years earlier and it had been stuck in her colon all that time!
Tony: Well think about this now right, weve been eating GMO products and in Canada
Ill have to speak from this end because you guys over there have the labelling, we dont
but weve been eating GMO products since the 70s here without anybody being aware of it,
we were introduced to these things, this was the laboratory of the planet here and weve been
experimented on and we still cant label our food, we cant have full disclosure of what were
eating here for some reason, were continuing on this road of experimentation and
exploitation of the human race and our immune system. So anyway, weve been eating this
crap for a long time and so as a result we have a lot of this stuff embedded in us all over not
just in our colon but people have restless legs, they have arthritic pain issues because these
poisons have accumulated in them and have acquired in our systems. Then when somebody
tries to take something that has a benefit theres a reaction though when stuff starts coming
out you think where the heck did that come from, whats going on here? You dont remember
that 10 years ago you ate food that might of had a preservative agent in it that didnt allow it
to break down and so what this stuff does now is it clumps, weve got jams over here that
have preserving agents that will keep the thing on the shelf for 99 zillion years and they you
eat it and you cant break it down either. So wheres it going? It doesnt always come out of
you.
Clive: So which form of B vitamins would you go for?
Tony: I would use the store bought stuff even though they are synthetics there is enough
credible evidence to validate their use. Im a big believer in using niacinamide, B1, choline
and B5, those are the top 4 B vitamins I push on people because especially the niacinamide
because everyones got anxiety issues, sleep disorders, stress issues and B3 seems to resolve a
lot of stuff. B5, people are always tired and worn out and exhausted so I give them B5 and
B1for strength and endurance, sometimes Ill combine it with rhodiola, thats the herb of
choice that I go with. Some people are having problems with their memory and they cant
focus and again choline, folic acid, B12, these are things that work with the brain and acetyl,
B1, B3, they all are there for the brain but again nobodys getting it because its not being
manipulated in the colon like its supposed to because youve got layers, literal layers
growing in the colon which are blocking the ducts in the colon that allows you to absorb your
nutrients so whats happened is youve got this plaster from the grains and the soy thats
causing this issue and what happens is the bacteria thats supposed to be there to convert it
has now become a negative bacteria the wrong one instead of converting these things and

working with your body to assimilate and to utilise its now causing the opposite effect,
causing it to be self destructive and broken down so as a result youre not getting these things
so those are the ones Ive given, those are the ones Ive seen profound effects. All of a
sudden mental clarity starts to come back, anxiety issues drop, they can withstand the stresses
of life they have to deal with, also theyve got stamina from the B1. People with diabetic
neuropathy I give them MSM with B1 and serrapeptase and within 10 days they can feel their
fingers and their toes again you know, I get them off the grains, sugars and soy and all of a
sudden theyre back and they can walk again and have strength in their legs and so they have
merit. Until something better comes along which I havent seen yet and until we really start
looking at two cars have a lot of issues today and its not because were eating this or that or
what not, vegans believe theyve got the answer, back in 1904 meat eaters outlived vegans by
11 years and from 1904 to 1970 all of a sudden vegans outlived meat eaters, what happened
between 1904 and 1970 something changed in the meat, not the meat itself what
happened was that the grasses that the cows were eating were no longer being fed to the cows
they started feeding them grains which caused the biology of the cow to change, then they
started slaughtering the cows and taking the dead carcasses of the cows and feeding them
back to the cows and then they banned that and then they took the carcasses of the cows and
fed them to the pigs and the chickens and took the waste material from the pigs and the
chickens and fed that to the cows which was perfectly ok. Now what theyve done in
England is theyve brought in some cloned cows and mixed them in with the food supply
without telling anybody this came out about a year and a half ago so this is whats been
going on. Now the vegans says that this is the reason why you shouldnt eat meat and I say
to the vegans do you know what theyre doing with the fecal matter now? Theyre putting it
in the fields so all those genetics that theyre feeding those cows are now being fed into the
soil which you are now eating and theyre saying well its organic, yes organic is carbon
based but it doesnt mean its GMO free or chemical free thats supposed to be the reality but
it isnt and again you will hear this and this might be an outrage to some people but Im
talking farmers from France who are telling me that theyre planting GMO seeds in the
ground, growing the crop and calling it organic which technically theyre right in what
theyre saying because all organic means is carbon based so although its been genetically
altered its still carbon based.
Clive: And just getting back to the B vitamins for the moment, lets say somebody buys
some store bought B vitamins and it says the dose should be one, if they want to get the
effects youre talking about do you think ones enough?
Tony: No. It depends on the situation, how are you living and how many dollars a day... I
put $90 days in so Im taking approximately 2 3 grams of niacinamide a day, 2 3 grams of
B1 but if I followed the bottles instructions Im only supposed to take one 50mg tablet per
day, Ill but that in an hour so it all depends on how youre living, what youre doing for a
living, I use my brain a lot so Im constantly using neurotrophics, Im using choline and B1
or rosemary and sage you know Im using all kinds of stuff to keep my brain going and keep
it active. Im eating tonnes of saturated fat from different sources and Im using lots of
cheeses for the bacterial and the mineral and protein content so it would depend on what

youre doing. The labels on the bottle are a suggested dose thats all they are, they cant
prescribe anything to you because then they would be considered or construed as a drug (in
the USA and Canada it would be anyway), so they can only suggest that you take 50 mg or
100 mg for a daily dietary use. Now, if youre using it according to orthomolecular uses then
youre going to use the required quantity that you need to sustain whatever youre going to
sustain or until you balance off your body, thats orthomolecular works so these are just
guidelines for most people but when youre looking at the bottle that says one a day well that
is not a drug its a food, do you eat one meal a day? How much meat are you eating a day,
how much fish are you eating a day, how many eggs or cheese are you eating a day, how
much fruit and vegetables are you eating a day I mean are you eating the daily minimum dose
of food? If you follow the RDA guidelines which are obsolete and archaic and completely
stupid youd be malnourished so you have to look at what youre doing, what youre treating,
what are you sustaining and supporting and you base it on that.
Clive: And you were mentioning vitamin C as one of the important ones, I believe it is too, I
try to take about 10 grams of vitamin C a day and when I started doing that I did notice
improvements in my eyesight and a number of factors and having read the orthomolecular
medicine people particularly the work that Frederick Klenner was doing in the 1940s and
1950s curing polio and every single infectious disease its really criminal that people arent
aware of the power of vitamin C particularly in very high doses.
Tony: Well I agree with you, I was just watching a video today it was a British doctor and
I didnt get the name this guy was a genius! Hes telling that if you look at the eyes and
you look at the heart the eyes are completely connected so whatevers going on in the eyes is
going on in the heart and if youre using vitamin C your visual will come back and the heart
will clear up on its own. ???? said the same thing, Klenner said the same thing, theyre all
saying the same thing and theyre saying they dont need to go through all these X-rays, the
cholesterol, the guys saying you cant even examine cholesterol in X-rays and yet theyre
causing over 700 cancers a year by X-raying people for cholesterol issues so its ludicrous
today what were putting up with!
Clive: It is amazing, particularly with cholesterol because Abraham Hoffer, one of your
Canadian counterparts did a clinical trial showing that niacin was a cure for cholesterol.
Tony: You can eat all the cholesterol you want to and it will not kill you. I eat more
cholesterol in one day than probably some people eat in a year and I dont care if the
cholesterol goes to the moon, it will not kill me! The problem with cholesterol is sugar, they
found that what caused the cholesterol issue was grains, when you eat a grain any grain I
dont care if its organic whatever, when you eat a grain that sugar reacts with your body and
what cholesterol is doing is protecting you from the ravages and the damages of the grain,
thats what its doing, it becomes stick and it peroxidises. So what stops that from
happening? More cholesterol! You can use things like rosemary, it stops that from
happening because it has a component in it equivalent to BHT which is an anti-oxidant and
keeps the fats from periodising. You can use sage in teas or put it on your fats and it stops it
from happening, using vitamin C and lysine also clears up any build up that may have

occurred from the sugar damage that the cholesterol is reacting with. Niacin is what was
used for the liver if there was a liver build up but the reason why theres a build up in the
liver is because youve a deficiency in lipates, youre not producing lipates, theres not
enough lipates in the fat because people are eating plastic today margarine. Theyre not
getting enough B5 which converts the cholesterol to hormones and energy, theyre not
producing enough L-cartinine which utilises the fats again for energy and theyre not
producing enough bile in the liver so this is the reason why youre having these problems
because youre eating margarine instead of the saturated fats that you should be eating. Im a
big fan of eating saturated fats because it protects us from viral infections though I dont have
a problem with people having high cholesterol, as a matter of fact if its not above 240 youre
open and prone for viral infections so I dont see a problem with cholesterol.
Clive: Good! And I agree completely with everything you said. I like to eat unpasteurised
dairy, I think its one of the great joys in life. The next thing that you mentioned was iodine
and I too think Lugols Iodine is the way forward, most of the people like Dr Brownstein and
Dr Derry and Mark Sircus seem to put forward the idea that 12.5 mg a day is a normal dose
but perhaps up to 50 mg if theres a thyroid issue to be dealt with. How do you feel on that?
Tony: Even higher! It depends what it is that youre dealing with, they were giving people 2
grams a day, treating people with every issue under the sun back in the early 1900s.
Nobody died, nobody had this reaction that theyre talking about that youre going to get,
Ive taken as much as 12 drops of my Lugols for some ????? solution which is
approximately 120 mgs, the only thing I saw with it was I could have walked on water I had
so much energy. It gives you such a boost and such strength, I think Lugols (in my humble
opinion) is probably the best iodine to be using and I think its superior the Nascent. The
Nascent is a good iodine but I think in all honesty Lugols is far superior to all the others
because it not only deals with the thyroid (the Nascent iodine does deal with the thyroid very
effectively as well) but Lugols deals with the digestive system so it protects your digestive
system, it protects your reproductive system your endocrine system especially for women,
women need twice the iodine that men do because of the oestrogens they convert, the iodine
converts estradiol to estradol so you need the iodine. Thats why so many women are having
problems with their reproductive organs because they dont have the iodine in the body to
regulate the conversions of these hormones. Men are having problems with prostate issues,
why? Because theyre producing oestrogens from the DHT, well its binding to the receptor
sites, what does iodine do? It helps convert that so it gets to the other side of the body so
between using that and sulphur we can clean all this up but again were not. We cant have
iodine, oh no its got the poison sign on it, every cell in your body has iodine in it yet its
poisonous, go figure that one out!
Clive: Theyre putting poison signs on all the good stuff now. Here, borax which used to be
considered in the medical literature to be 50 times safer than salt, now it has warning labels
and hazard signs, everything is supposed to kill you. Lets talk now about sodium
thiosulphate, the wording is slightly off putting, it sounds like a chemical but clearly its an
excellent form of sulphur and would you say even better than MSM?

Tony: Superior, period. MSMs good but sodium thiosulphate is way better if youre
looking for detoxifying and pulling poison out of the body, removing radiation out of the
body, removing heavy metals and these damn morgellon ???? coming out of the sky, to take
parasites, fungal, bacterial stuff out of the body, in my mind after Ive used it I dont see
anything that even comes close. Bentonite clay and all that stuff is ok but it makes that look
like candy, I have to tell you that when you combine it with the vitamin C your glutathione
levels jump off the chart, it protects the liver, pulls stuff out, I felt that stuff clean me over to
my pancreas thats how effective it was I mean this thing was just amazing. The first thing
you notice when it starts to work is your joints in the wrists and knees and hips it feels like
theres a relaxation going on so any calcium deposits that might be accumulating in these
areas they bind and start coming out. The thing about it though if you do use it you must on a
daily basis restore the mineral content and the probiotic content because it takes no prisoners,
everything if its there its going and its a good thing that you keep putting the healthy
bacteria back in the colon and the mineral content back in the system so that when its pulling
out all the bad bacteria and the metals youre putting in the good minerals and the good
bacteria back in the system. Nothing comes close, nothing!
Clive: And it also has the wonderful advantage that if earlier you have spilt your iodine a
solution of sodium thiosulphate completely neutralises it. I accidentally poured a whole
bottle of iodine on a white carpet and got it all out.
Tony: Ascorbic acid would have done the same thing. Yes thats the drawback about this
thing it pulls everything out so it will pull iodine out of your body as well which is why you
need to restore it, you have to put the minerals back in.
Clive: And you were saying earlier about a teaspoonful of sodium thiosulphate, about 5
grams a day...
Tony: 5 grams and 5 grams of vitamin C, mix it with about 3 ounces of warm water, drink it
down, itll taste like crap, theres no masking it, it tastes terrible but chase it with another 6
ounces of water. If you feel any inclination of any kind or disturbance starting to happen in
the lower nether regions immediately go to the bathroom, put a load of toilet paper in the loo,
spark it and let it go. I mean it will come out like a volcano anyway but this will keep the
backsplash from coming back up but it will come out of you unbelievably and you will see
stuff come out... youll scratch your head and say, How longs that been there? because you
just wont believe whats coming out of you.
Clive: Ive had people whove claimed whats ... well I wont go into the details but yes,
strange and wonderful things come out that you wouldnt have previously guessed were in
there! So maybe the first time one does it one should do it on ones day off perhaps?
Tony: 4 weeks, if you really want a good job on it then 4 weeks.
Clive: Do you take it with meals or....
Tony: No, do it before bed. The other beautiful thing about this stuff is when youre doing it
you will not feel hungry, youll eat a meal and I will tell you to reduce the portion sizes of

your meal because you will not be able to finish it, the reason being is youre now going to be
absorbing what youre eating in a more efficient way, youre not going to feel the need to eat.
I was going like 12 15 hour gaps between meals, Im still that way today, I eat maybe every
12 hours or something like that and I just dont feel the need to eat all the time and I dont eat
any grains, I do cheat on the sugar part a little bit sometimes, I use honey and maple syrup
and once in a blue moon Ill eat a ginger thing that has some sugar in it but generally
speaking I dont feel hungry. I eat my fruit, meat, saturated fat, cheese, I make my ice cream
with sour cream and yoghurt because I make my own but thats all probiotic stuff, Im even
adding fat to that or MCT oil to it and honey and fruit, cinnamon powder, sometimes Ill open
up a capsule or two of CoQ10 and some manganese and zinc to regulate the insulin so Im
eating this stuff and whatever sugar is in there doesnt go all over the place. I make my own
fatty, protein type meals and quite frankly I do not hunger, when I need to eat I eat but its not
like Ive got to snack and binge all day long, Im fine, I maintain my body weight, Im
between 180 185 lbs which is about 75 80 kilos and I put in a 19 hour day so there you
go.
Clive: You can also use sodium thiosulphate along with a number of other important
ingredients in a bath to detox, would you like to expand on that?
Tony: For morgellons what I suggest is using Epsom salt which is magnesium sulphate,
borax, TSP which is tri sodium phosphate, baking soda, regular salt and you can add the
sodium thiosulphate with it, usually I add about a quarter cup of each in there and I even add
about a cap of turpentine with it as well. And for those who are suffering from this affliction
because its not a disease, dont let anybody tell you its a disease thats complete nonsense,
basically its just youre being poisoned from the aerosol spraying and the genetics that
youre eating, this will start to draw out stuff, youll draw out amber crystals and those fibres,
youll draw out if youve got ???? or any other type of infection going on in the skin it will
draw it out - youll see all kinds of stuff come out of the tissues. As you can see my face has
cleared up if you look at my earlier videos youll see where Ive got marks all over my face
from the morgellons so you can see that its starting to clear it up more. The baths are key to
pulling radiation out of the body, the baking soda, borax and sodium thiosulphate will pull
radioactive material out of the skin, you are constantly on a daily basis being exposed to
radioactive material from the chemtrails. They have plutonium, thorium, uranium and
strontium dropping down on you all the time, Europeans have had the nuclear reactors from
the Baltic States have been leaking radioactive material for the last 40 years and the USA
theyve been leaking as well as in Canada and then theyre blaming Fukishima for a lot of
this stuff which I think is a load of nonsense, I think what the big problem is is these
chemtrails, theyre being overlooked as the main culprit for the radioactive fallout thats
falling down on us, everybody is looking over here, oh Japan, but really nobodys paying
attention to whats coming down and some people dont even believe its even happening,
these are radioactive lines in the sky is what they are. A friend of mine from France just sent
me a video and I couldnt believe this chemtrail, he flew a chemtrail over the Atlantic and
instead of spreading it across the sky it came down like a drape into the water and it
completely surrounded the boat! I took one look at this and thought what the heck are they

doing now? This is just pure insanity and this is what were all being exposed to so this bath
will definitely help a lot of you. I had a woman contact me from Paris and she was on the
verge of committing suicide so I said, Dont commit suicide, theres no reason for it because
the affliction of this morgellons, everyone thought she was crazy and if youve been
afflicted you are the canary in the coal mine, you are the ones that have your immune systems
functioning, your bodys reaction is a normal response, its trying to get it out of your system
but dont feel in any way shape or form that you are the oddball, youre the norm, the rest of
them are not reacting because the stuffs still festering inside and it accumulating, theyre the
ones that are the oddballs and when it does hit them because of the magnitude thats going on
inside when it does manifest it will be exponential, your systems are fighting it, you have the
normal immune functions going on, its supposed to be happening and thats what happens,
you get loaded up and it comes out its being forced out through some means thats through
your diet, supplements or through your immune functions so this bath will help a lot of you
pull a lot of stuff out.
Clive: You mentioned morgellons and I think thats had a lot more publicity in the USA than
it has in England, the first time I came across it was some rather unfortunate man explained to
me that he had what appeared to be metallic fibres coming out of his penis and people seem
to be experiencing rather strange phenomenon like fibres coming out of their bodies. Can
you describe for people in case they dont know what morgellons is here what the symptoms
are.
Tony: Youll be in pain, itll attack your body and youll be in pain. Morgellons is an
affliction of these bio polvers I call them which are nano particle sized, theyve got nano
silver in the skies so I dont encourage anyone using any nano silver products, nano
aluminium, cadmium, silica, barium, chromium, thorium, uranium, plutonium, strontium,
theyve got microbial stuff in these things, they fall down between 22 23 hours what they
do is they penetrate you on a cellular level these things get inside and get lodged in, what
nano silver does is stops the cells from doing their normal functions so its a reprogramming
process, the silica in these things actually amplify your bodys electrical charge to activate
these things, the bio filament gets released in your body and starts to reproduce so you have
what is called a binary attack on the immune system so what starts to happen is youll have
lesions starting to form, sometimes theyll look like red blemishes, sometimes theyll look
like triangles with circles in the middles or squares or a little zigzag lightning bolt or some of
them will even look like a circuit board trying to form, some will have letters and numbers
starting to form so you know this is not a thing of nature at all, as a matter of fact doctors are
saying this is from psychosis and all this other nonsense. This is a lab created affliction
nothing more, just like this H17N, this is another lab created affliction, all these viruses that
weve had over the years the Chinese flu and the Hong Kong flu etc these are all made
out of a lab, all of them. In the USA theyve been working together with mosquitoes since
1984, this is common knowledge, they released the genetically engineered mosquito along
the St ??? river down in Florida and shortly after people started having afflictions like the
restless leg and fibromyalgia. The Western Isle mosquito I dont think came from the
Western Isle unless they came from a lab on the Western Isle. So again when were looking

at a lot of these so called pathogenic materials, these things are created, thats what
morgellons is its a created affliction and what it does like I said is starts to rewrite your DNA
and tries to alter you genetic code, its attacking your genetic code where its at its weakest.
Clive: Thank you for that. Id like to ask you a couple of specific questions, people say I
wake up in the morning and Im just feeling as exhausted in the morning as I was when I
went to bed, what do you recommend for people who arent full of the joys of spring first
thing in the morning?
Tony: Get off your smart meter.
Clive: What if they havent got a smart meter?
Tony: Shut off your Wi-fi, you might have towers over there which are pumping radio
frequencies through the body, we have the smart meters here, a lot of people have that
condition here because the smart meters are pulsing the.... theres over 90 to 140,000 pulsing
through you on a daily basis and this is breaking down the myelin sheet around the cells
which is protecting the cell so whats happening while youre sleeping is youre getting
pulsed all the time and Ill bet you any money, you do a survey at 3 am anybody whos not
having any sleep and is awake at 3 am because thats when these pulses are at their climax,
thats when theyre sending and transponding their signals and you have to understand with
these nano particulars and plovers that are being absorbed in our cells we become a
transceiver, we are not only receiving these signals but were sending them out as well so
were like a living antenna. So one of the things you can do to offset this is to use something
thats going to help you purge this out of your body but use saturated fat because the
saturated fat helps to sustain cellular integrity, you need to have that cellular integrity so they
can communicate with each other. Things like wheatgerm oil which also helps protect and
build a myelin sheet around the cells, consuming things like eggs or lecithin, sunflower
lecithin or egg yolk lecithin notice I said sunflower lecithin or egg yolk lecithin, I did not
say soy. Soy you should avoid like the plague, whether it be fermented or otherwise, you
shouldnt be consuming these pea protein products that theyre trying to sell you either, these
things are no different from the soy, they have the same oestrogenic value, the same phytate
value and they attack your organs at the same levels. Anybody thats going to tell you today
that eating fermented soy is ok, they dont have enough brains to tie their shoe if it was if it
was Velcro, theyre that stupid because any form of soy that you eat is a goitregen so its
going to attack your thyroid, once it attacks the thyroid the brain and heart do not talk to each
other and youre going to have these disruptions going on in the head number one. Number
two, it attacks the pancreas, cuts down the capacity for the body to produce trypsin which is
required to break down protein in the colon, causes pancreatic cancer whether fermented or
otherwise. Three, they have phytates in them, it doesnt matter which way you go if
someone says, Well you can ferment phytates for a day, really? Chinese were doing it for
over two years in lime, in calcium, theyre barely fermented 3 months in aluminium and
youre getting that in these products today, so leave the stuff alone. So anything that has
saturated fat, consume, that will regenerate and repair those cells, using things like B3 and
glycine, glycine also helps pull heavy metals out of the brain, using sea salt that will also

pull metals out of the brain salt is a brain detoxifier and what are they telling everybody to
do? Reduce your salt, why? Because you lose this here if the salt isnt there to clean and
flush out the toxins out of the brain all of a sudden youre derelict, youre walking around and
you who you are or where you are or what youre doing because youve got all this metal and
stuff in there. Sulphur, MSM, use it, folic acid, thylene, ?????, these things help pull stuff out
of the body, garlic, onion, leek, chive, mix them with vinegar, mix them with water, utilise
these things, these will pull and draw these things out of your body.
Clive: Indeed. One of the other things that Ive heard you speak about is liposomal coating.
A few years ago like many of us I suppose, I heard about the use of ultrasonic baths to
liposomally coat but now youve enlightened me to the fact that you can liposomally coat or
in other words enclose something in fat like vitamin C or glutathione just by mixing it really
thoroughly in a liquidiser, could you briefly explain how people at home can take their fat
soluble substances and liposomally coat them?
Tony: Theres lots of ways of doing it! The guy with the ultrasonic baths I mean thats just
one way, its just basically vibrating the thing so the molecules heat up a little bit so that the
stuff will fuse. Basically when you heat something up you expand the molecules and when
you mix it it will fuse in there, you can even use a solvent, ???? alcohol even, mixing it
together and by mixing the alcohol opens up the ???? will receive whatever you mix with it
so lets say youre heating up sunflower lecithin or egg yolk lecithin or coconut oil or butter,
anything even if you take a frying pan its so simple you see, put some butter in the pan, heat
it up, scoop out the cream and now youve got the butter oil, put it in the herbs. The herbs
will heat up and the oil will turn colour, itll turn green or whatever, its absorbing, its fusing
in with the oil, you just made a liposome. All a liposome is is basically a fusion or a
combination of a fat and whatever you want to put it with and it uses a carrier so initially
what it was used for back in the body building days is they would take certain supplements so
that it would bypass the stomach so survive the first pass with the hydrochloric acid, it will
survive the colon so the bacteria and the probiotic will ferment it all to pieces and then get
into the liver, so once it got into the liver and the lymphatic system the value of absorbing
through the liver and the lymph nodes, thats how they were... initially thats what the idea
was. They were actually using another component by using sugar molecules to do the same
thing, they would fuse sugar with certain things so when they got inside of you your insulin
would carry these things through the body in another route or another pathway. This is
nothing new, this has been going on for quite some time, again when the guy did that it was a
good thing, I think it was an excellent demonstration he did, I didnt like the fact he was
using soy lecithin but the idea was that he was demonstrating that anybody could do this but
you can also do it with a blender. I mean youre heating a material, the blenders producing a
centrifugal force, whatever youre mixing with it is going to ??? either way so theres more
than one way of doing this and there are probably other innovative ways as well so I just
showed you another way thats all.
Clive: And by doing that ones probably increasing the power of vitamin C by 6 or 7 fold
probably...

Tony: Well yes its going to survive, its going to get past the stomach and the colon and its
going to go right into the liver and then when the liver starts to break it down... over here
theres a product, I dont know if they have it in the UK, its called ascorbyl palmitate all it
was was ascorbic acid mixed with palm water and has been around over here for the last 30
years so this is nothing new, its been going on for quite some time and the idea with the
ascorbyl palmitate was to get the vitamin A and the vitamin C together into the liver.
Anytime you design something at home and again when we do the videos we always
emphasise that this is just one way of doing something its not the only way were just
opening the door and giving you a ground level entry point where you can start, hey I can do
this, and then from there you can expand your horizons and make these, I say make them
better and share it out because you can make them better. I dont want anybody restricted
with youve got to follow only my way because its not the only way and I would be an
arrogant ass if I told you that was the only way, all Im showing you is a methodology its
not the only method but its a method that can get you started to expand your horizons so
dont let anybody bamboozle you with anything that this is the only way because theres
many ways of doing things. Now when you understand how your body reacts and its
response to what it will absorb in a fat, lets say I want to get CoQ10 in my body ok, Ive got
a weak heart and I need to get CoQ10 up ok so Im going to mix that maybe with palm oil
which has got the vitamin E in it, its got all the tocotrienols in it, its got the lycopene in it
which is good for the heart, its also got the vitamin A in it and now I want to add CoQ10 to
it. So I can fuse that together, take the component, make my own, gets in my system and now
it bypasses everything and gets down in the liver, the liver absorbs it and sends the CoQ10
right to the heart and now Ive got a higher yield of CoQ10 going to the heart and if I add
black pepper to that it prolongs the use of CoQ10 in the heart. Its an interesting thing how
peppering can make the CoQ10 more effective or adding vitamin C with the CoQ10 and the
palm oil, now theres vitamin C also augments the CoQ10 so weve got a lot of different
ways we can combine things and do things that will augment whatever youre doing.
Clive: Id like to rewind slightly to what you were saying about nano silver because about 3
years ago I was looking at various ways to make colloidal silver and I stumbled across a
patent and this was for a type of nano silver and the FDA curiously in America had given
approval to this, they hadnt approved any other silver products as far as I was aware and I
read the patent because I was interested in how they were making it and it turned out the
patent was registered 50% by the Department of Homeland Security and 50% by the
American government. One or two alarm bells started to ring there about nano silver and I
notice now that quite a few companies are selling nano silver where they used to sell colloidal
silver, claiming huge benefits but something in me has been worried about this from the
start...
Tony: Good reason for it! Nano silver stops the DNA production of the cell, gets into the
brain, lodged in the brain which causes all kinds of dementias and other issues because it is
metal poisoning. They are using nano silver to regulate the chemtrails so they can keep the
chemtrails in formations that they dont shift and get blown all over the place and then it
comes down on you. They are spraying nano silver now in crops, Ive got one report on my

script of the show on my webpage where they even actually after 4 washes couldnt get the
stuff out and it actually penetrated the outer fibre membranes of the plants and got inside so
you are getting silver poisoning. I wouldnt give nano silver to a pig! And if the FDA
okayed it... that makes it all ok especially if the FDA approved it, you know the FDA I have
my own adjective for the FDA and I cant say it on the radio because its not very polite but
if they okay it Im going the other way to be quite honest. Its just like they said tobacco was
cancer causing, tobaccos not cancer causing, its the 4,000 chemicals that theyre spraying on
the tobacco thats cancer causing but theyre blaming tobacco so the science..... The USA at
one point in time back in the 50s and 60s, their scientific communities had some credibility
when it came to actual research because that time they were actually looking for answers.
Today, credibility wise, you may as well look up Google research to find any information
because its about the same, its a lot of fluff and bluster, I wouldnt trust anything today. I
always tell people to go back to pre 1980 to look at anything I mean seriously, think about
this for one second, what has the medical community cured since 1930? Zero! So if the FDA
is approving something its zero, I wouldnt use it. All my research has indicated to me that
they militarys using 70 parts per million of a colloid, not nano, thats what theyre using to
prevent them from getting afflicted or whatever. Nano silver binds with you, it doesnt flush
out, they will tell you it will pass through your system, thats a lot of baloney the colloids
do because they are only a millionth of an inch whereas the nano silver is a billionth of an
inch so its even smaller than your cell and gets caught in the cells, it doesnt come out and
again youre inundated with nano silver. Just like back in the 60s, BHT anti oxidant they
were using and BHA in all foods, especially if they had fat, then they found out later that
BHT was causing cancer. It wasnt that BHT was causing cancer because BHT every man
that I know should be using BHT because it blocks oestrogen and it actually helps the body,
blocking the oestrogen so they can sustain their testosterone it fights cancer, it kills all kinds
of viruses but the problem with it back at that time was (which nobody really was looking at)
was that every food source had BHT in it so all that happened was you were getting
inundated with BHT and so it started causing a reaction in the body because it was reacting
with other chemicals in the body. Nobody was looking at that scientific approach at that
time, they just said BHT is causing cancer so they blocked it and the reason I think they
seriously blocked it wasnt because it was causing cancer, it was stopping people getting sick
with viral overloads. You wouldnt have had these hepatitis or these herpes or any of these
other conditions going on if people were still using BHT in minimal doses in their diet, it
would have protected them from these viral infections just like iodine and other things. Its
like salt, it causes damage and blood pressure issues and it can cause issues with the heart,
these have nothing but one big pile of lies from the FDA so I cant see seriously how anybody
can take this organisation seriously with any credibility.
Clive: Yes it does seem like unfortunately they are a total bunch of crooks these days and its
a great shame. One of the other things that you mentioned earlier was trisodium phosphate,
another slightly frightening sounding chemical name but clearly as a source of phosphorus a
very interesting material. Would you like to tell us a little more about trisodium phosphate?

Tony: That thing is a beauty! If youve got any kind of issue with bone or pain or energy
issues and you mix it up properly, we mix it with chlorophyll, potassium, citrate and
potassium chloride and magnesium citrate with a little aspirin, its the best anti rheumatoid
thing Ive ever seen. I had a woman that was coming to see me, she was getting shots in her
shoulders because she couldnt raise her arms and after two months of this stuff shes never
had another shot again, it was amazing! Its a very high powered electrolyte mixture when
you do it that way, its alkalised at 12 which doesnt mean a whole lot really unless youre
dealing with a fungal infection or overload, phosphorus if youve got wax in the ears its
probably because you have a phosphorus deficiency and you start using this stuff and the wax
will fall out by itself it does protect the male endocrine system, it does protect the heart, and
again its very cheap and anybody can get it. I know in Europe its a little funny because I
talked to one guy there from Belgium and he couldnt get potassium chlorate and Im
thinking what? Why cant you get potassium chlorate? And then some guy from the
Caribbean called me up this week and said youve got to get my prescription down here...
really? Why? So this is the European people and the safety authority, the FDA, the Health
Protection branches in Canada, they all should be flogged seriously and I think they should be
banned, theyre doing a disservice to humanity in Europe and over here and in other places
where theyve got these ludicrous regulations going on, I think its the same thing, they
should be flogged, flogged and hung and removed because theyre not doing anybody any
good, theyre actually impeding health in so many ways and what theyre okaying and how
theyre okaying some of the things today, it makes me scratch my head because their own
research sometimes tells you that what theyre okaying shouldnt be okayed. When you look
at the aspartame and some other things that theyve okayed in the past and you look at the
research on it and think how the heck could they ever okay this? How did they ever okay soy
as a food? Theres not merit or research whatsoever to validate anything on it yet its okayed
so when you look at some of the poisonous materials, everybody should be asking
themselves, why is this a poison? Not because to read it and it says it is a poison, so you
know how to read... now, learn how to think. Why is that poison? And dont do a Google
search to find out because youre just going to hear what mainstream says because thats all
Google does. Googles a good search engine, if you want to sell a product go to Google but
if you want to do some research go to University sites and educational sites and scientific
sites and start looking at these things from the right perspective. How do these things
become poisons? How do they become beneficial? How are they used? How much was
used? What environments were they used in? This is how you have to interpret some of
these things, not oh its a poison so youre going to stay away from it, thats not thinking
thats just hearing and obeying. Learn to think!
Clive: One of the best sites to research that Ive possibly found is GreenMedinfo.com...
Tony: Theyre good, for a lot of newbies its a great place to get started. You can go to
PubMed.com, NIH because thats where a lot of the GreenMedinfo is getting their stuff from,
do a coural.com search this is another good place you can find some information. Start
looking at university studies done, this is where robber meets the rodent on a lot of this stuff.
We can see... lets just say the cure for cancer, they gave rats so much CoQ10 per kilogram of

bodyweight to cure certain types of cancers, what you can extract and figure out is what it
would be for a human bodyweight but then youve got to also look at what did they feed
those rats when they gave them that CoQ10 at that dose. These are the kinds of things youve
got to pay attention to and this is just an example so when youre doing your research and
youre looking at this stuff youre actually looking at it with an open and analytical mind not
just the hear and obey. Ask questions how much did they take, how much did they use and
then start formulating your own recipes because you can do this because theyre actually
giving you the information there so okay if they gave the rat 100 mg per kilogram of
bodyweight so take the rats weight and figure out to a 10 kg rat they gave a gram of CoQ10
well then convert that to the human body. You might be surprised, you might get similar
results, sometimes you might not get any results because there might be something else
missing in that equation that they may not have left in that study but this is a starting point for
a lot of you.
Clive: And you mentioned chlorophyll earlier, chlorophyll is not something that Ive
generally seen being sold in bottles in the Health Food Shop with chlorophyll written on it, I
dont know if you find it that way in Canada, what is a good source of chlorophyll that one
could buy as a supplement rather than eating it as green leafy vegetables?
Tony: Well we do sell it here, its common here, I buy it as a powder and pre mix it. There
is a company here called Bernard Jenson, I like them, its one of the cleaner ones Ive seen it
doesnt have any parabens in it, some of the older stock he had did have it in and they dont
now. You could probably extract a juice from parsley or peppermint and boil that down to get
your high concentration of chlorophyll if you cant find it thats another way of doing it,
thats what theyre doing, theyre filtering it and cooking it down to get the chlorophyll
content so you could do it that way if you wanted to as well. I dont know what you might
have there in the UK but if you have to buy it in powder form or remix it that would be better.
Clive: What do you think of Clammoth Lake algae and spirulina and chlorella, do you
reckon those are worth taking?
Tony: To be honest with you I never seen them live up to their hype. Some people swear by
them but from my perspective and the people that Ive come across in my dealings the
percentages have been very little, whether it lives up to its hype Ive not really seen that. Im
not knocking the product, Im not saying its not any good, just from my own personal
observations with the people I have dealt with with real health concerns have not seen it do
all that it says. Now, thats not saying that its not a good product and it may have benefits as
a supplement, it does have a component that does kill cancer, there is research on PubMed
and NIH to indicate that the bicianin in it does kill the cancer cells in the system but I dont
push the product, I dont sell the product and Im not a big advocate of it one way or the
other.
Clive: Could I ask you, have you had any experience with ormus the material, monatomic
gold?

Tony: Ive used it years ago, I didnt see anything with it, I didnt see it live up to its
expectation of my system but that could have been because I was using other things already
and I was fortified so maybe there wasnt an whole lot there for it to do. So Ive not seen it,
Ive had people contact me but Ive not had a whole lot of people give me a lot of positive
input on it either other than for putting it in the ground for plants so if youre getting it that
way and it works use it, if the plants are benefitting from it and youre growing stuff then use
it. Im not knocking the product, Im just saying from my own personal observations with it
and the feedback Ive got from people have not given me really any clear cut indications
saying its a good, wonderful..... if something really works people are exuberant and they tell
you and its not a placebo effect where after two weeks it doesnt work anymore its like they
say, You know Ive been on this stuff for 6 months and I cant believe the differenced from 6
months ago, so when you hear stuff like that you know somethings going on. Im not
knocking the product Im just saying I personally am not seeing anything for me that makes
me go yippee and thats basically a fair assessment.
Clive: Id like to ask you another question specifically about eyesight, earlier we mentioned
vitamin C, what else would you recommend to restore eyesight?
Tony: Chlorine. Chlorines a big one for that, chlorine, zinc, your enzymes. There was a
guy who contacted me on YouTube when we first got started and he took 3 different formulas
and you can go look it up, its in the comments there and the guy said he was blind in his left
eye for 30 years and he used the ginger, onion and grapefruit mixture, he used the analgesic
mixture which these are two burning hot mixtures with the pineapple, the bioflavonoid,
turmeric, paprika and cayenne and then he used the controversial formula which was
trisodium phosphate with the chlorophyll. Now he used all three in conjunction with each
other and he wrote back and said the guy got his vision back, will that work for everybody? I
dont know but it did work for this certain guy. It all has to do I think with whatever is in the
eyes, taurine is a main component of the eye, SOD is huge in the eyes and in the lungs (in the
chlorophyll) with zinc and copper produce SOD so somehow in that formulation there it all
worked together to open up the blood vessels and tiny capillaries, it opened up the oxygen
flow, it cleared out whatever was going on there, the ???? and the onion and the bioflavonoid
and the grapefruit also helped to rebuild the visual so maybe theres a lot of things that could
have done it, I dont know I never stopped to really pinpoint what might have done it but
thats what he told me happened. Im not saying its going to work for everybody and Im
not making that proclamation but he told me that after he used this stuff after 30 years he got
his vision back and you see that in those comments all the time, people are using stuff and
doing stuff that even I would never have thought of and theyre getting these awesome results
and then theyre sharing it which is good.
Clive: And you mentioned bioflavonoids, I remember one of your videos showing how
simple it is to make your own bioflavonoids at home by taking the whites of the peels of
citrus fruits and drying them and consuming them...
Tony: Thats how they make them in the laboratory, we have a product here in the grocery
store that they use as a setting agent for making jams and thats all it is, its just the white

parts of the citrus and that also has high levels of pectin in it. Well pectin pulls radiation and
metal out of the colon so how much cheaper can you be? You combine that with a little garlic
or a little onion and youve got a detoxifier of the colon, youve got a thing thats going to
open up your blood vessels and keep them permeable so your heart doesnt have to work so
hard. If you read the labels on your health food supplements and you actually start analysing
the components in those you could make a lot of this stuff at home! Whats lycopene?
Tomato paste with oil, how hard is that to make? Some of the simplest remedies that you can
make have the most profound effect on your health.
Clive: Yes exactly! Thank you very much and before we finish are there any particular tips
and advice youd like to give that would be particularly pertinent for people who want to
restore their health right now?
Tony: Read your labels, dont assume anything, dont believe anything, be sceptical, be
analytical, understand just because you can read something doesnt mean youre really
evaluating what youre reading, just because something says its organic does not mean its
safe, thats the biggest farce thats been going for the last 30 years, the foods in Europe might
be safer than in the USA and Canada but not by a whole lot. This is the most ironic thing I
find with people, you will ban a GMO product in Europe yet you allow a GMO corn or soy to
be fed to the cattle or the sheep and that fecal matter has to go somewhere and its containing
the genetically modified organisms that are being fed to these animals, theyre going into the
soil so youre still getting GMOs in your food but this is something that I still cant get my
head around, were going to ban genetically modified corn because it causes tumours in rats
yet were going to feed GMO corn to cows and pigs etc, I fail to understand the logic in this
matter and then afterwards the fecal matter from these GMOs are going back into the earth so
I have a difficult time getting my head around how this is not going to be spread airborne. So
read your labels and really understand what youre reading, I cant push that enough. Weve
got a site in the UK called healthaccess.com, we have information there as well as we do in
the US, take a look at the stuff there we do a lot of this kind of thing on both sides of the
Atlantic, feel free to download this information for yourselves and share it with other people,
we encourage you to do this and thats the number one thing I would tell you to do, use your
head, dont just accept, analyse and think is the best thing I can tell you.
Clive: Well thats excellent and just to end on a bit of good news, I read today that the
Russians are calling for a 10 year ban on genetically modified foods and I think as the
Russians have certainly had some influence with stopping the war in Syria that theyll have
some success in stopping the proliferation of GMOs.

THE HEALTH REVOLUTION EPISODE 16

CLIVE DE CARLE INTERVIEWS TONY PANTALLERESCO
PART TWO

Clive: Welcome Tony! Thank you for joining us. A couple of questions Id like to ask you
because people keep asking me about liver and gall bladder cleansing and many people I
know think that doing the classic gall bladder flush with Epsom salts and lemon and oil is a
good idea but the person who wrote the book died and I always worry when health experts
die, theyre just not meant to do that!
Tony: We all die it just depends what kills us!
Clive: So what do you recommend? The Chinese always say that health starts in the liver
and I think you probably think so too perhaps?
Tony: The best thing Ive ever seen that detoxes everything at the same time is sodium
thiosulphate, Im so sold on that its not even funny. Ive never seen anything in any efficacy
that works like this, it will go into the liver, the gall bladder, the pancreas... the majority of
these cleanse kits that are on the market today dont do anything really for you. What a lot of
them will do is they will get in and push out whats there but they leave their own mix of
whatever and the majority of what people are dealing with today... I was doing another show
and weve got to start thinking in terms of molecular and genetic violations because thats
what were dealing with today and when youre talking cleanses and purging in regard to
cleaning the body were not in that same paradigm we were 30 years ago so were dealing
with a whole different level of toxification, chemtrail fall out, genetically engineered foods,
vaccines, fluoridated water I mean the list goes on and all these things are by design to attack
the digestive system and the endocrine system so when were looking at these things we have
to look at how are they breaking us down and what do we really need to remove the fluoride,
mercury and the genetically engineered material out of body? Were dealing with genetics
and molecular nano particulate bio film thats nothing weve ever seen before so when were
talking cleanses today its all going to be pertinent and relevant to what youre cleaning out.
Is it a parasite and if the parasite hasnt been genetically altered by the food youre eating, by
the bacteria in the soil that has maybe altered these bio films or these parasites or these
microbes.... I mean youve got to remember when you plant a GMO crop in the ground
youre not just changing the plant youre changing the whole eco system in the ground,
youre changing the plant life, the bug life, the bacteria youre changing everything. So we
are not necessarily dealing with what we had years ago, now the gall bladder flush that this
guy promotes is not a bad idea either but to be honest with you the plovers and nano particles,
the bio film, the morgellons issues that are occurring youre going to need something to go in
there and hit this really in the way that youre not used to. Youve got to go right into the
cellular level, Im looking at something now to fortify the myelin sheet and the ATP levels of
the body because this is how a lot of us are falling apart, when the ATP levels go down your

cells die and if you cant keep the cellular activity going then youve got a problem and if
youre being attacked on a cellular level which is what these things are doing then youre
going to need to boost your ATP levels to maintain high cellular energy, high cellular mobility
and immunity and if thats not there, everything else is really nothing. ATP regulates many of
the elements you hear yourself, Im tired all the time, Im low on energy, I feel so
exhausted so you give them different things like B5 and rhodiola or maybe ginseng or
some other adaptogenic herb or B1 even and it works for a period of time but then what
happens is we have another problem going on, theyre being exposed to different things,
sometimes its self destructive because theyre eating junk but sometimes theyre eating
orgasmically organic because a lot of that doesnt really pertain today, a lot of them have
already been cross contaminated with genetics. I sent you an article about Codex
Alimentarius and what theyre doing to the food supply so this is breaking people down on a
genetic and molecular level, the targeted areas of the body where most people are going to
suffer is going to be in the digestive system as well as the endocrine system and thats where
you accelerate the aging process of people where they break down exponentially so it gets
back to what were trying to clean out.
Clive: Well everybody has got this basic level of toxicity that we all need to deal with,
clearly if were fish eaters were getting more mercury and heavy metals than we want and
sodium thiosulphate seems to be the answer if were just looking for one incredibly
inexpensive answer, it seems like sodium thiosulphate is one of the big ones would you say?
Tony: Unequivocally, I mean I looked at the research on this that a Russian friend of mine
sent me because they were using this kind of thing, they were using something else too for
their minors because theyre so inundated with the pollutants wherever they were working
the environmental pollutants and this pulled a lot of it out, this stuff will even pull iodine
out of your body so this is why you dont take iodine with it. The toxins today, I mean I tell
people dont eat grains, dont eat any grains, theyre all micro toxic Ive got a reference
point on my December 12th script and you can look at it from people who were working in a
genetically field and theyre telling you what Ive been saying for 10 years, leave the grains
alone, all of them, there is no such thing as an organically safe grain to consume. Maybe in
Europe you have slightly different standards because you guys do have the option of labelling
you GMOs, what theyre figuring out is going to happen in North America is that theyre
going to eventually label them and I see that coming but whats going to happen because
everything is going to be so inundated with GMOs its going to be like tobacco you can
buy your cigarette, heres your warning label but people will not have a choice. The
options that we have available to us today is to either grow it yourself but according to Codex
Alimentarius guidelines if you grow it yourself as a farmer or youre getting it straight from
the farm, when he doesnt go through the processing of irradiation and breaking down the
nutrients again this is where a lot of this accumulation is going on too because your food
doesnt have the nutritional value because of the irradiation process going on so youre
collecting clutter, radioactive material in your colon. So were looking at sulphur, baking
soda, borax and iodine to pull the radiation out so we have options here and effective options,
far better than anything Ive seen in the health food industry today, I find that the health food

industry today has been corrupted as a further means to exasperate or debilitate people and
their health. Were seeing a change in the chemical construct of a lot of these vitamins and
what theyre adding to these vitamins aluminium, soy products, theyre adding calcium to
some of these things which will impede the uptake of a lot of the vitamins in the complex I
mean Im encouraging people to make their own! Go buy bulk, put it together, ratio it out,
you can do this and its doable unless youre getting stuff from a credible manufacturer which
is going to be very difficult to find because the GMP and regulatory bodies dont want clean
vitamins anymore, they want them to be contaminated because when I contaminate the
vitamin I can actually block the effect of the vitamins in this and youre not getting what you
think, youre getting a placebo effect. When I see companies that are coming out with
Wholefood vitamins and I look at the ingredients and I look at the ratios Im thinking,
This is garbage, theyre selling it on the concept or an entitlement on the vitamin itself so
you think youre buying something super and theres nothing super about them at all. Im
trying to present this in a way where its not just doom and gloom, there are options, we do
have options and we have to start taking the initiative on these options. If you allow me Ill
send you some information on ATP, one of the things I think everybody needs to look at and
investigate is something called adenine and when you look at adenine its part of the ATP
production, its not a cheap supplement or material but by combining this with TSP guess
what, you make ATP and there are herbal and plant materials that you can also use to make
ATP and some of the cheapest material is ginger or nettle very high in production of ATP
for our bodies especially for the male libido and the male endocrine system, nettle, ginger
and hawthorn berry will balance out testosterone and can actually increase testosterone
naturally. So these are some of the things that we as men want to consume because we need
to sustain our testosterone levels, we need to maintain them so that our immune system stays
functional, our brain stays functional and that our strength doesnt diminish as a result of the
onslaught of chemtrails, genetics and other things that are going on so this is again a simple
little thing there. Let me read here some things for you as well: There is a formulation out
there where they combined six herbs; thyme, rosemary, turmeric, fennel, grapeseed and
dandelion by 10-15% weight volume and then they added the ginseng to it and what that did
is it activated the ATP levels exponentially got it right up so thats one of the things thats
out there that you can do, theres another thing here I want to point out for you: Rhodiola is a
herb that again will increase ATP production, vitamin B3, vitamin B2 and vitamin B5 are
critical for ATP production on all levels. Creatine will also increase ATP, its another formula
and all you need is the monohydrate, you dont need all these high end high tech whatever,
now again you want to increase the ATP production with that then combine that with TSP and
you will increase that exponentially and youre going to increase the strength levels on it.
Paracetam or paracetum, its another neurotrophic that increases ATP production in the brain,
theres prosotene, hydrogene, zantiol nicotinate, these are things that again can be facilitated
and used, gingers another one for the heart so is the hawthorn. Ill give you some herbs that
can help you and which the common person can have; blessed thistle, blue cohosh, burdock,
caraway, catnip, cloves, couch grass, ginger, golden seal, hawthorn, hops, kelp, Jehovah,
mullein, rosehips, sage, sarsaparilla, spearmint, strawberry, thyme and yucca. So basically
Im just trying to tell you to get going and become your own alchemist, put this together and
make teas with it, make extracts and combine it because were going to need this kind of

technique to maintain the ATP so that the immune system can fight off some of these toxic
overloads that youre talking about.
Clive: Yes indeed! One of the other things that raises ATP fantastically is magnesium
chloride on the skin....
Tony: Exactly, any magnesium magnesium chloride would be good because it goes right in
and its going to go into the heart and the brain. The ATP is so critical on almost every
organ and tissue in our body, without the cells sustaining that energy and the use of that
energy to regulate everything including the immune system, the ?????, the overloading of
these metals from the sky, from the nano particles theyre spraying in the plants and other
metals youre getting exposed from in the food supply whether its in box, bag or can, were
constantly overloaded now and its not just metal were talking polvers now, were talking
bio film and that combination or cohesion of these things that are in our systems and are
causing us to breakdown and to rapidly exponentially age very quickly. I had a 26 year old
woman come to see me the other day, she had diabetes 26 years old! This is an accelerating
aging process shes dealing with and a lot of it has to do with the diet and what shes taking
and what she thinks shes taking and what she thinks is safe so we had to go through that
whole dynamic there about eliminating the grains, the soy and all these other things so the
pancreas can start healing so she can start reversing that process but this is whats going on
with a lot of young people today and Im sure youre seeing that in your country too.
Clive: Theyre all addicted to grains, just like a heroin addict they wake up in the morning
craving the injection full of cornflakes or whatever and then they want their next fix but they
might have a second fix at breakfast with some toast and then another fix of biscuits mid
morning and then rush out and have a sandwich at lunch. Most people have got a real raging
addiction for carbs particularly grains and they spend half their day thinking about it!
Tony: Well thats how theyre designed, thats the genetics of this stuff.... We ate bread, our
generation ate bread 50 60 years ago that we could breakdown, digest and it held you all
day, I mean its every meal we ever had had bread in it but it didnt cause this over abundance
of overgrowth going on, it wasnt genetically designed that way. Now its genetically
hybridised it then we genetically engineered it, now were combining it with nano particles
you know and its just to further complicate the digestive system and then a lot of these are
micro toxic and oestrogenic on top of that so now were attacking the endocrine system so
were going to have a lot of young people like you say, they get up, they have their
cornflakes or sugar puffs and theyre having toast.... Ill tell you a true story, a few years ago I
went to a hospital because I had food poisoning, so I got in there and they ran a saline
solution and flushed it out of my body which was great and I recovered within 8 hours. The
next day the hospital gave me a breakfast, toast, milk which was pasteurised which is
glycated protein which is a high sugar content, a piece of fruit, cereal and some kind of a
biscuit and I looked at that and I said, You know what Im not touching that and I didnt, I
walked out and went to a real place and got some meat and potato and butter, I just wanted
real food, so I mean thats the genetics of these foods. Its altering your digestive system, its
altering even the way we think because of how it addicts us and instead of using ATP and

glycerine in the body as an energy source, what are we using, fructose, glucose and all these
other sugars and starches that were not meant for us to consume.
Clive: So when people say, Well I cant give up grains its all I eat what do you actually
recommend?
Tony: I say well get your box ready and jump in because youre going to be dead before
your time! I dont mince words with people, I just dont have the patience any more, I tell
them straight out that the grains have got to go, I show them the illustrations with the
genetically engineered grains that are in the stomach and the digestive system. The majority
of people who come to see me already have a respiratory issue going on or intestinal issues
going on, IBS, Crohns and a whole list of other disorders, some of them are having ED
issues, heart issues... so when I talk to them about getting off the grains the only thing I get
sometimes is, Oooh what am I going to eat?. I tell them that God put on this planet a lot of
things to eat, grain is not the only thing, you can eat meat, fish, chicken, eggs, lamb, goose,
duck, cheese, yoghurt, kefir, seeds (if your digestive system isnt compromised), you can
have almost any fruit on earth except six of them because I tell them to stay away from six
specific fruits, any vegetable you like, any fat you like other than vegetable oil or soybean oil
cottonseed oil or any form of soy.
Clive: So what are the six fruits? Im very interested in that.
Tony: Bananas, grapes, raisins, water melons, dates and there was another one but because
the high glycaemic level of these fruits and because of the corruption and the intestinal tract
these things will react and further proliferate any kind of overgrowth youve got going on I
mean a couple of bananas is a cup of white sugar. The only way you should be eating a
banana if you must eat a banana is its got to be black, black and mushy because when you
ferment the sugar thats when youre going to get the potassium out of a banana, if you dont
do that all youre getting is displaced potassium, yes youre getting potassium but its being
knocked right out of the door because when you eat high glucose and fructose sugars all your
minerals; magnesium, zinc, chromium, manganese, calcium get thrown all over the place and
get discarded, thats why you have to take more chromium or manganese or more zinc to
regulate the insulin in the body.
Clive: So lets say somebodys taking a supplement and its got some zinc in it and now
theres another supplement and thats got zinc in it, maybe even another one, how safe is it
generally lets just take zinc as an example is there too much of zinc or not?
Tony: Well the maximum dose they tell you is between 100 150 mg so it would depend on
what its bound with, is it zinc citrate or zinc with thionide or zinc with sulphur? You wont
need as much because of the fact that its already bound with something thats going to
actually impact it or drive it in more. Now if its zinc chelate then you have to sit down and
think what protein did they bind it with? Usually when I see products say its got a mineral
with an ????? or a chelate I get very suspicious because Im thinking they bound it with some
kind of soy and sometimes you will look at the bottle and there will be a soy listing in there
so you know that they bound a soy based protein with these minerals which means its going

to extract it right out of your body and youre not even going to use it. So between 100 150
mg, women do not need as much and it all depends how its mixed, what your... with the
supplement most of the time its only about 10 mg strength which really amounts to nothing
so if you had 10 mg and 10 mg and 10 mg if you dont exceed the 150 mg you should be fine.
Clive: Brilliant. Let me bring you back right to the beginning about the gall bladder and the
liver, people who believe theyve got gall stones, what should they do?
Tony: Citric acid will break it right up, simplest thing going! When we do the olive oil and
the lemon basically what are we doing? Were combining a lubricant with citric acid and
ascorbic acid, very little ascorbic acid in citrus, the best youre going to get out of any citrus
is about 15 mg so youre looking for citric acid, why? Because citric acid dissolves what?
Calcium.
Clive: Exactly, so drinking a vinegar drink would probably do the same thing?
Tony: Yes and no because vinegar can actually increase the uptake of calcium, the most
absorbable calcium you can make and buy and eat is an eggshell with vinegar because its
called calcium acetate, that is the most absorbable calcium you can use so in this situation I
dont know if I would use vinegar as opposed to citric acid. Now once everything clears out
then if youre going to use it Id probably tell you to use it every other day because it doesnt
absorb and you will feel pains in the joints. In my humble opinion based on my research I
dont think you need that much calcium anyway, you cant absorb it that well unless its
already bound with an acid or some kind of protein thats going to allow it to be utilised in
the colon. Yoghurt will give you more than enough calcium, so will kefir and so do a lot of
the cheeses because these are ferments that are going to allow you to absorb the mineral more
efficiently and because they are also bound with not only a bacteria but with a protein. So
when were talking kidney stones, I dont know if I would use vinegar, not at that point, I
may use a citric acid and maybe even a little ascorbic acid to help dissolve and break it down.
Usually people have these things that weve helped here, the citric acid seems to do the trick
and very quickly, usually within a week you see a lot of relief and then I tell them again dont
eat grains, dont eat this, dont eat that, drink more fluids, more distilled water to help flush
this out.
Clive: How much citric acid should they be taking and how much water?
Tony: Probably about a quarter teaspoon about 5 times a day. I have found in my experience
that 5 is the magic number, if youre going to give anybody anything to fix, heal or recover,
get on top so once you give them that 5 or 6 all of a sudden you start seeing some results and
people will notice and tell you theyre feeling great, can digest again and dont have that pain
in the kidney, youll get that. I get it all the time, I go on YouTube sometimes and read some
of the comments, some of these people really amaze me with some of the combinations they
put together but yes, 5 a day seems to do the trick, again avoid the grains and soy, any sugar
and high fructose corn syrup, stay away from that, splendour stay away from that crap, that
sucralose its all garbage, that causes a lot of kidney issues as well. You do have normal
natural sugars like unpasteurised honey and maple syrup, I dont see why people are not

eating these things, theyre loaded with antioxidants, trace elements and all kinds of
protective properties and you can absorb this stuff. If you dont want to even use that then
use glycerol or glycerine, that is the sugar that your body is supposed to be using in the first
place not glucose or fructose, not the high volume were using and again what does glycerol
do when you combine it with phosphorus and glycine, converts to ATP!
Clive: And lets be clear about the liver, so lets say one wants to clean the liver can you just
give exact precise instructions as to what somebody should do?
Tony: I would give them one teaspoon of ascorbic acid with one teaspoon of sodium
thiosulphate in 3 ounces of distilled or reverse osmosis water or some kind of clean purified
water, do that every night for 4 weeks and if you want to increase the regeneration process of
the liver then you would take rosemary, sage, dandelion and milk thistle teas which can help
in the recovery and regeneration of the liver, lets say you damaged the liver because of
alcohol or some other foods that youve eaten in the past that have had genetically engineered
material that attacked your liver then again these are some of the things that can help you
regenerate and artichoke will do this as well, it will help regrow, renew a liver.
Clive: Artichoke root or the fruit?
Tony: The fruit! I think pretty well anything that has to do with it, its a specific component
in it that will do it and I think its along the whole plant. You can use things like goji berry
which is also very high in SOD production which can again protect the liver, vitamin C which
is in the STS which will help produce interferon in the liver so I think that in itself and
keeping it simple in regard to what youre eating and what youre avoiding will make a big
difference in regard to renewing the liver completely. Lets say youre also dealing with a
fatty liver, non alcoholic fatty liver disease, well you might want to use more B5, sunflower
or egg lecithin, biosalts, taurine is a biggie for this it can really help in the liver because of its
ability to produce biosalts, so depending on the issue going on thats perhaps the best way to
approach this in whatever method youre going to use. To clean it out thats STS and vitamin
C, to regenerate and rebuild it thats the specific herbs and if youve got a fatty liver then we
need to put stuff in thats going to break this down and you MUST avoid the grains there are
no ifs, ands or buts.
Clive: And many people ask me about liver spots on their hands, can you explain briefly
why people get liver spots and what to do or is the answer what youve just given?
Tony: Part of it, part of these are not liver spots either, they could be what they call glycation
cells your protein and your sugar are actually combining in the skin and as a result causes
this browning effect and thats what glycation is, a combination of sugar and protein that are
cohesing and creating cellular damage. Now you can clear that up as well by using
something as simple as an aspirin, an aspirin solution with lemon juice will break that down
or you can start using B1, MSM which are both anti glycating nutrients that when you
combine the MSM augments the B1 by a factor of 13 and this can help reverse some of the
damage thats going on. Im sure you have people who are dealing with fibromyalgia and
restless leg and a whole host of other damaging issues in the body along those lines so what

are you going to give them? You have to give them an enzyme to help them break down the
debris and material, I usually give seropeptat even tripsyl will work and I combine MSM with
B1 and usually between 10 and 12 days they call you back and say, Hey Im actually getting
my strength back, Im feeling less pain, Im seeing some results here and again what does it
boil down to? Your diet, do not eat grains, do not eat soy and canola oil should be.... if you
got any kind of restless leg or any kind of fibromyalgia issues or any kind of cellular decay
going on in the body canola oil should be avoided like the plague because it destroys the
myelin sheet, it destroys you on a cellular level, dont ever eat it.
Clive: Yes I couldnt agree more. Lastly Id like you to just tell us what you would
recommend for thyroid issues, iodine clearly is a huge and obvious one...
Tony: Yes, definitely. 4 things that we give people here are iodine, selenium citrate, tyrosine
and vitamin D, these are the crucial elements there and its all going to boil down to leaving
goitrogenic foods alone. If youre eating broccoli, cauliflower, kale, soy, peas, radishes,
anything thats going to attack the thyroid at this stage of the game leave it alone because if
youre already compromised no matter how good these foods may appear to be theyre going
to further exasperate the condition and the other thing you must avoid again is canola because
one of the things that canola oil does is it scars the thyroid and the heart. This is an omega 3
oil that theyre having everybody cook with...
Clive: Would I be right in saying that canola, which we dont normally get so much in
England, would that be rapeseed oil?
Tony: Yes.
Clive: Here its just labelled straight rapeseed oil, I think people think theyre doing
themselves a favour buying a material that no insect or animal would even consider is food!
Tony: You know what rapeseed is good for...
Clive: Oiling machines! I love this thing when you get a room full of starving rats and you
throw one of those oils in or even a bunch of margarine, the rats just carry on being hungry,
they rip food to shreds but they just ignore margarine because they realise its not food.
Tony: Yes well theyre smarter than most people!
Clive: Clearly it seems that way! Well at least the people watching this programme are
fabulously smart and getting smarter episode by episode.
Tony: Thats good and Ive seen the same thing with our YouTubers, I had a letter from
Bulgaria actually yesterday and there are people forming a network there now where theyre
doing stuff like what youre promoting and Im promoting and its good to see that more and
more people are forming good networks and trying to discover the truth about what makes
people healthy and I attribute that to people like yourself, myself and other who are actually
trying to make a difference in the explaining and expressing what needs to be done and

revealing the truth in whatever form or fashion they can do it is and to get people to really
start thinking, thats really important, youve got to use that grey matter.
Clive: And I love what youre doing because youre showing people how to make it yourself,
at home for next to nothing and make the most powerful, brilliant things in the world. For
those of you who havent possibly seen Tony before you have to go on to YouTube onto Tony
Pantallerescos YouTube site, there must be a couple of hundred videos plus I imagine and
theyre all brilliant and Im constantly inspired to make things that I otherwise wouldnt even
have dreamt of, Ive got things fermenting that some of them taste absolutely vile but theyre
hugely good for you and some of them taste absolutely gorgeous! More of the gorgeous
tasting ones please!
Tony: I know I get people asking can I not make anything that tastes good but sometimes
this is the only way and youve got to bite the bullet because youre so used to... because
what happens you see is we get so used to sugar and our tolerance is so high and you get
something were supposed to eat it tastes like crap to us because were sugar coated but once
that sugar starts to go down then we really start to taste and we think this isnt actually too
bad, this tastes good because we made the changes that we need to make on that sugar
overload. I made a comment on one of the shows that Id laid off of eating pork, I dont eat
pork ???? but I used to when I was younger, I used to eat bacon and one year I didnt eat
bacon, then I went back to eating bacon after a year and I spat it out, it was the first time after
so many years that I actually got to taste the crap in the bacon. Now I didnt know it was
there before because I had been acclimatised to this taste or this flavour or whatever and I
thought this is normal but the moment I got off this stuff and I went back and tried it again I
was like what the heck is this, this isnt food and when you look at the chemical composition
of some of these products that youre eating today its like really? This is in my food, whys
that there? So the best solution to ensure that youre going to get the best bang for your buck
for food is to grow it yourself, find people that have an aquaponic or hydroponic system or a
system where its not being exposed to chemtrails or genetics because under the Codex
guidelines theyre irradiating all your food thats being made in the mainstream... because I
dont think people are going to get enough food by getting it themselves. I often encourage
that neighbourhoods get together and plant heirloom seeds or open end seeds and start
growing these things in neighbourhoods and youre going to send a strong signal to the
grocery chains saying were not going to eat your crap anymore and Im tired of being
poisoned and Im tired of being sick, so that would be an option.
Clive: If we all planted one fruit or nut tree every week wed have forests again quite
quickly.
Tony: Yes, you know what I got five avocado trees growing indoors, I figured a way to
manipulate that so it will grow indoors, I found a trick thats in the soil, anyway yes youre
right, I couldnt agree with you more I even tell people whatever seeds youre eating today
plant them! Apple seeds, orange seeds, whatever youve got, plant them and get them going
because the way things are going with all this genetic crap, were not going to have a safe
food supply in a short period of time. I dont know about you but I do not want to eat

aluminium laced plants, I do not want to eat nano silver particle sprayed plants or something
thats been genetically altered or modified in the ground, I dont want to eat the bad bacteria
thats in the ground as a result of genetic manipulation, I want to eat the things that Im
supposed to eat thats going to give me my mineral, enzyme, antioxidant and protein content.
Whatever carb or fat I want to get that from a real natural source, not having to rely on a
vitamin company which may or may not have quality nutrients in the vitamin industry start
looking at your vitamins, read them, you might find polvers or aluminium and other metal
products in there, you might find plastic, you never know what youre going to find anymore
you have to really read.
Clive: Have you tried taking breakfast cereal, scrunching it up and mixing it up with water,
putting it in a plastic bag and getting a really powerful magnet, shaking it around and getting
the iron out it? You know when they fortify cereals with iron theyre actually putting iron
filings in it and you can get them out with a magnet deeply shocking!
Tony: Somebody sent me this and Ill tell you what shocked me more, that were looking at
the metal in the cereal but were not looking at the cereal itself being genetically altered. The
reason why theyre putting these iron filings in.....
Clive: Its to stop children dying isnt it?!!
Tony: Think about this, theyve got to put it in there because the grain itself has been so
genetically stripped down through either genetics or irradiation because they are (again based
on the label) Oh its iron fortified and youre going to eat this crap thinking youve got iron
fortification but youre still eating a GMO product and this is the big crunch of it all. Even in
the health food industry when you go into some of these health food stores and they say
theyve got a sugar free product yey but then they have grape juice and apple juice, these
are still fructose and again the grain might be organic but those organics are being exposed
to genetics, theyre also irradiating those so called organics thats under the Codex
Alimentarius guideline. So youre not getting anything in these grains anyway other than
dead material that now gets into your colon that causes a disruption in the bacterial culture in
your colon, putting a negative bacteria which now does not allow you to absorb your B
vitamins at all and other minerals that you need to ferment in the colon or to absorb so thats
an interesting element that youre presenting there which shouldnt be in the food either
but take that to the next level, genetics and then were adding industrial metal in these
genetics.... interesting!
Clive: Who would have thought it! One other thing that did just occur to me, one other
important thing for 80p clearly is the idea of B vitamins and supercharging them by putting
them in yoghurt or putting them in something so you can ferment them because it seems to
me that there is an epidemic of B12 deficiency around, so many people with low energy and
just from the lack of B vitamins.
Tony: Ok, like I said, B2, B3, B5 are the key ones for ATP, now for the liver support liver
energy is the B12 and folic acid which again as I said, youre eating a genetically
engineered cereal that goes down into the colon which disrupts the colons healthy bacteria

because its dead and irradiated anyway and with added iron content so what are we doing?
We are creating a negative bacteria in the colon, so now you go and get a B12 supplement
and you decide to swallow it down thinking Im getting my B12, Im getting my folic acid,
and whats happening is it cannot convert it because you dont have the bacteria in there to
convert it anymore because youve taken it out of the door with this genetically engineered
soy, wheat, barley or oat or whatever the hell theyre putting in there and then you cant
figure out why you have a B12 deficiency. Then when you take the yoghurt and put in the
B12 and folic acid and you let it sit overnight, all of a sudden after a couple of days to a
week, hey I feel my whees again, without having eaten wheat even, Im getting it back and
this is key to any B vitamin, any mineral youre using, this is why I tell people to put it in a
yoghurt with fat, not sugar free, if its got any kind of artificial sweeteners leave it alone, if
you want to put fruit in it then put blueberries in there, clean them up with peroxide or TSP or
whatever and put them in there then add your B12 and folic acid, if you want to add the
whole B complex then put it in there, grind it up and mix it up really good. Let it sit
overnight, let the magic of fermentation start to take over youd be surprised how a lot of
the health issues will start to disappear once the colon gets back the bacteria it once had.
Clive: Brilliant! So to finish off, Tonys website is augmentinforce.50.webs.com
Tony: Yes, its actually a UK site! Feel free to go there, download anything you want and I
encourage everyone to download everything, weve got the script of the show because we do
a radio show every Saturday night between 8pm 10pm, its an online show as well, its got a
section of health questions, theres scripts there feel free to go get them, download them and
there are recipes galore! Then youll get insightful information of whats going on so you can
better prepare yourself and defend yourself against the onslaught of the regulations that are
coming in for our health. You guys in Europe, the European Health and Safety, I feel sorry
for you because youve got the FDA over there now, thats what that is and then youve got
Codex Alimentarius which is.... well again I dont envy you either. These institutions really
have to be put out to pasture or something because theyre not doing any of us any good,
none of us.
Clive: Well luckily the people are waking up to the fact they dont want it, dont need it and
shouldnt have it. Its got to be a grass roots thing where people just say no and the
manufacturers of the supplements need to get their act together and make quality items. The
reason I started a supplement company was frustration because I couldnt get good stuff so as
a shameless advert for my products www.ancientpurity.com we have lots of good stuff!
Tony: Yes, that is needed big time because if people are going to buy products and they
spend big dollars because I know they cost me more than they cost me here to buy stuff
because of the cost of living and everything else, I would rather pay for a clean product thats
pure thats going to actually work than pay for this junk!
Clive: Well yes, I think 98% of the stuff thats on sale out there purporting to healthy is crap!
Tony: Youre very conservative, Im on 99.9% but I could be wrong! But there are still
some good products, thats true but you really have to read what youre buying, you really

have to look at whats going on dont get caught up in some snake oil pitch about this
product is better than that product look at the ingredients, look at really whats in those
products. If something says its 99.9% and this ones saying 99.9% here and theyre the exact
same thing theres really no difference except what youre going to pay for them, if you can
get an MSDS on some of this stuff that would be even better.
Clive: But the problem is that people, even if they really think they know what theyre doing
its really hard, how do you tell the difference between real vitamin E and synthetic vitamin
E, youve got to be super knowledgeable because on the label it says D-alpha tocopherol and
the synthetic stuff, the only difference is in the letter L isnt it, they put DL-alpha tocopherol.
Unless youre obsessive about it you cant tell so the only way is to go to a good supplier that
you can trust to buy the stuff in the first place.
Tony: I think programmes like yours and mine will educate people to be able to interpret
what theyre reading, I really do believe thats key and its going to be key and thats going to
force this industry to either smarten up or people are just going to quit buying these
supplements and make their own. Now the other thing you have to understand is that in USA
and Canada, Canadas a little more tight on the regulations than the USA, so its going to
happen in the USA its already started to happen actually is theyre not going to take their
vitamins away per se, what theyll do is compromise their vitamins with a lot of crap and
fillers and will reduce the load way down to a Codex guideline....
Clive: Yes 100th of what would be sensible...
Tony: Yes or even 1000th depending on what it is. You can see CoQ10 will be compromised,
Ive already seen that its sold as Ubiquinol and then they added it to canola oil, you go to all
that trouble to refine CoQ10 and then youre going to mix it with a poisonous oil?? I mean
who are we kidding here but like you said, people dont know what to look for. This is going
to be a thing where all of us out there who know what we are doing showing people and then
you get the hard cases that dont want to change, ok fine, eat what you want, what can I you?
If you get sick then its on you, Ive tried to show you, if you dont want to listen then thats
fine and thats my attitude, Im like that matrix theme take the blue pill and away you go,
the truth you take the red pill, I dont care what you believe after that, you can go back to
sleep, I really dont care Ive done my thing the best I could and if I couldnt get it over to
you maybe a guy like you can do what I couldnt do and I have no problem with that either
and I think thats going to be a co-operative along these lines eventually where people are
really going to show each other that this guys saying this, this guys saying that, hey theyre
all saying the same thing, maybe I should pay attention to this!
Clive: Well the ultimate aim is to make ourselves out of a job because everybodys well!
Tony: Hey you know what therell be something else to do!
Clive: Thank you so much Tony!