02 How To Succeed With The Carder Method

How to succeed with The Carder
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How to succeed with The Carder Method
by Mark Carder on Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:05 pm

I am going to explain how you can successfully paint realism. I don't mean average, pretty good
realism, the kind all your friends and family will say "that's so good", I mean realism at the highest
level.
Well you follow all the steps laid out in the DVD....duh, ok, lets make a check list:
1. Set up your studio and shadow box with 5000k (or close) lighting so that there is no glare on your
Color Checker (this is the most important), your palette, or your painting.
2. Balance your whites as described in the DVD.
3. Stain your canvas to the color of the stain card that came with your DVD.
4. Pencil your still life, make sure you measure from the same point with your PD always. It is easy to
move your position relative to your still life without noticing. Plot many points, check and re check,
erase if needed, re-stain if needed...get it right before moving on.
5. Mix your colors. One color group at a time, one object at a time, you may want to mix all the
colors for one or maybe two objects and a bit of background around those objects, then go on and
paint it before mixing the colors for the rest of your still life.
6. Your colors in all your color groups should have good steps, not too big.
7. When you paint, check every stroke! Don't get smart, don't have "fun"! Don't just "wing it". You
are learning, you are in school, you are teaching yourself to see! If you rush through this and start
painting where you think you see color, you will RUIN your still life! Remember, this is how you do
it...paint your Color Checker, hold it out, ask yourself "how far up does this color go, how far to the
right, how far to the left, how far down...make mental notes based strictly on the answer to these
four questions, NOT based on assumption! Here is how assumption happens: you hold out your
color checker, you do not move it a round, you see that it matches, and then without moving it
around you THINK you can see that the color belongs in a certain area. You assume the color
continues all around the target area you are checking. The ONLY way you will know for sure is to
MOVE your Color Checker around and check to see if it indeed does match! So check every stroke,
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and check it properly. After you do it this slow way long enough, you WILL begin to see...I promise!
8. Adjust your colors as you paint if needed. You have already mixed your base colors, you have a
well organized palette, so now play with it, mix new colors, feel free, but always based on what your
Color Checker tells you to do.
9. DO NOT BLEND! You knew that one was coming. It is fine to paint over other colors after
checking again. It is ok to re-check an area and go back and paint it in with the correct color. But do
NOT look at your object and think, "I should fix that"....do not fix, do not try and make it look like
what you think your object should look like!!!! Just check often, check again, fill in, do not
blend...blending, if needed, comes at the end!
10. When you do have all your colors laid in, you are ready to blend. DO NOT sit back, look at your
object and then just jump into your painting and start playing with it and try to make it look "right".
Instead, look at your object, then look at your painting, and ask "what is the difference?" Fix ONE
problem at a time. Ask which one is more soft, which has a smoother "blend" or transition from
shadow to highlight, which one is more rounded on the edge, does that line in my painting have a
steeper angle, etc. etc. etc. Slower but surely, almost magically, your painting will start to look just
like the object! What is the difference? One problem at a time!
THIS IS THE DEAL! All of the above is totally do-able IF you go SLOW.
If I ask you to follow the above rules to the letter and you think about doing the still life below, it
may seem overwhelming. The temptation to rush through it in one or two days is great.
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On the other hand if I ask you to follow the above rules and paint one of the following sections, then
it doesn't seem so daunting.
emily-detail-1.jpg
emily-detail-2.jpg
emily-detail-3.jpg
The point being you CAN do this IF you take it one small step at a time. You will not be painting like
this forever, at this point you are only try to do ONE painting that is GREAT. Prove to YOURSELF that
you CAN do it! Once you jump that huge hurdle, the next painting will go so much easier because
you will know what needs to be done. AND you will learn to see like an artist, AND you will begin to
KNOW HOW TO DO IT! You will see through all these crazy optical illusions. Once you can see like an
artist you will know how to paint. Before long you will painting quicker and need the Color Checker
and the PD less and less.
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My promise: If you finish a painting and it is not GREAT realism. I will be able to tell you exactly
which rule above you did not follow. Not because you just did not have the "talent", but because
you simply did not take your time and do it.
Emily painted this painting before she watched the DVD. I had given her the basics of the method,
but she said "I just want to have fun" (which is TOTALLY fine if that is what you want to do). So she
painted this in one day:
After she watched the DVD, I asked her to do just do ONE painting following the rules to the letter. I
said "just paint one peach". So she painted one peach...then two, then three. Soon every one of her
friends and family was saying "I never knew you had so much talent".
Now everyone wants her to do a painting for them!
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Mark Carder
Re: How to succeed with The Carder Method
by maryann on Thu Jan 17, 2008 11:41 pm

Mark, that was so encouraging. and u answered a question i was wondering,, if we could mix for one
item, then paint it, and mix for the next item... thats a good deal..
maryann
by maryann on Fri Jan 18, 2008 8:09 am

mark, i have been wondering,, do u think there are artists out there that can paint a portrait from
their mind with no photo or model? it may not even have to be someone they know.
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by Mark Carder on Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:13 am

Before I had ever painted portraits I could only do crazy cartoons, nothing approaching realism. After
painting them for 20+ years I could probably come pretty close, but I could never get a likeness at all
from memory. I have heard of artists who can get very close to perfect realism, but there is always
"something" missing. Of course I am a perfectionist. Some of the computer generated stuff now
comes close, but then they use all sorts of real life models to build their 3-D model and let the
computer figure the light out.
This is about as close as it gets to photographic realism(link below), this artist worked from a photo. I
personally would have no interest in trying to achieve this, it would take me so long, and I am more
in the Rembrandt camp, "paintings are for looking at, not for smelling"
But I still think it is pretty cool what this guy achieved, sort of like, "let's see how far you can take
realism".
http://www.drublair.com/comersus/store/tica.asp
Mark Carder
by maryann on Fri Jan 18, 2008 10:23 am

he even has it down to the pores in the skin
by anderson on Fri Jan 18, 2008 11:58 am

Mark I like your saying, "Paintings are for looking at, not smelling."
For a commercial illustration class, we were given one extremely detailed black and white photo to
complete for the semester. But the catch was, the instructor only gave us a tiny little 2 inch square
starting at the top of the page. We had to draw exactly what was there. We had no idea what was
coming next until we completed that section perfectly and then were given the next square. It
wasn't until pretty close to the end that we saw what we were drawing.
He was teaching us to see without preconceived notions. Your method does the same for color
although it's harder with a brush. Way harder!
Question: My first still life I waited (excluding the background) until the end to really blend. I ended
up sticking my hand in the paint and making a mess and had to re-do sections. I noticed Emily is
finishing one item and then blending. From what I gather I know you would prefer the entire
painting to be blended at the end, but is it okay to do this the way Emily is proceeding?
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Right now I'm just going for realism. It's the only way I can learn.
My Websites:
http://andersonscott.org/home.html
http://thepaletteandbrush.blogspot.com/
anderson
by Mark Carder on Fri Jan 18, 2008 12:59 pm

By all means, I must have said somewhere on the DVD to finish the whole painting before blending.
The important thing is to blend while your object is still wet AND to go slow...so yes, paint/blend one
object and then move on to the next. Of course if you are considering not blending anything in your
painting, like Taylor did in his flowers, than you will need to finish your whole painting unblended.
Mark Carder

anderson wrote: Mark I like your saying, "Paintings are for looking at, not smelling."
Rembrandt said that
Mark Carder
by anderson on Fri Jan 18, 2008 1:11 pm

Thank you Mark!

The point I really want to get across to everybody is to just finish ONE painting and have it turn out
great. If you do that then when you do your next one, you will really see where you can cut corners
and where you can't. If you finish your first and it really looks good, then if you decide to rush
through your next one you will KNOW what you can get away with and what you can't. On the other
hand if you rush through your first, cut a few corners, you may end up being frustrated and not
really understanding where you went wrong.
So I hope each of you will just finish ONE painting, taking it slow, following the rules, cutting no
corners. You will LEARN SO MUCH!
Mark Carder
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by culuz on Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:02 pm

Thanks Mark, I promise that I'll do my first still life by the method ! I know this will be difficult
though, I have many bad habits to deal with
culuz
by kathyinbama on Fri Jan 18, 2008 7:10 pm

Mark,
I do believe that if we do exactly as you have instructed, we will be pleased with how our painting
turns out. I just started my first painting using TCM and after just mixing my colors, I realized that I
had not been seeing the real colors that were in the objects before. This is the first time since
January of last year that I have been excited about painting again. Thanks!
Mark Carder wrote: "paintings are for looking at, not for smelling"
The funny thing is, I really like the way the Delq smells. Something about it reminds me of my
grandmother when I was a small child. I guess after 12 hours in the ICU with some of the smells that
we have (Emily can fill you in), it's nice to come home to the fragrance of Delq.
Kathy
"that aint no etch a sketch, thats one doodle that cant be undid homeskillet" ~ Mac Macguff
kathyinbama

Here is some trivia. Why do I call it Delq?
When I first came up with this formulation I wanted to write something on my bottles so I would not
get it mixed up with the others bottles around my studio. My first two kids names are David Quinn
and Ellen Lou. So I mixed up their initials.
Mark Carder
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by maryann on Fri Jan 18, 2008 9:45 pm

Mark Carder wrote: Here is some trivia. Why do I call it Delq?
Mark, i swear to God, i was just wondering what delq stood for yesterday... i thought david and
emily might of been one of the letters... lol

MaryAnn Rozak wrote:
Mark Carder wrote: Here is some trivia. Why do I call it Delq?
Mark, i swear to God, i was just wondering what delq stood for yesterday... i thought david and
emily might of been one of the letters... lol
Mark Carder
by drjohn71a on Sat Jan 19, 2008 9:07 pm

Thanks for putting this info back into the site, Mark. As for going ahead onto other projects with
rapid brush stroke, I can say from personal experience on my 2nd painting (first from a photo, but
2nd Quasi Carder Method) that it is quickly evident on which portions of a painting the painter left
the Carder Method and started just painting what he/she thought ought to be there. I am learning a
great deal on this 2nd one even though it, so far, has not been pure "Carder". Of course, I am having
to go back and correct the "non Carder" areas now! But, I am learning!
John
drjohn71a
by Mark Carder on Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:25 am

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drjohn71a wrote:Thanks for putting this info back into the site, Mark. As for going ahead onto other
projects with rapid brush stroke, I can say from personal experience on my 2nd painting (first from a
photo, but 2nd Quasi Carder Method) that it is quickly evident on which portions of a painting the
painter left the Carder Method and started just painting what he/she thought ought to be there. I
am learning a great deal on this 2nd one even though it, so far, has not been pure "Carder". Of
course, I am having to go back and correct the "non Carder" areas now! But, I am learning!
John
I try to teach realism and I know I can stress the points that I think can be helpful in achieving it, but I
hope everyone understands that I do not ultimately think there is "right" way to paint. Some of my
favorite artists work in methods that are completely different. In fact I do not paint according to the
Carder Method, however I follow most of the basic principles.
This is why I don't like to talk about what is good art and what is bad, everyone has different tastes.
But what I can do is say "here is a method to learn how to paint what you see".
So please do not feel like I am "disappointed" if you deviate from the "method"!!!!
Mark Carder
by charles on Wed Jan 30, 2008 1:02 pm

I wonder if you guy's could hold it down .
I am in the back of the room and trying to paint .
Art in my case , a bad habit . Hard to live with it ,, but impossible to live without it
charles
by Mark Carder on Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:06 pm

charles wrote:I wonder if you guy's could hold it down .
I am in the back of the room and trying to paint .
Mark Carder
by charles on Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:34 am

Hi Guys , I finaly made it back .
I really missed you guys alot .
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First I want to appolizige for any bad writing I done in the past .
A bad artist phase I was struggling through I guess .
I am not a good poster , a known fact ha .
Forgive me for that short coming .
Before I left I was working on a work .
Sadly it dried up while I was gone .
Somthing about working wet on wet that hooks a Artist I guess .
I had 63 production hours down the drain it seems .
Oh well I am not going to let it beat me , and I will keep working on it.
You guys are doing some really super work , and I often wondered when I was away what you was
working on .
Charles
Art in my case , a bad habit . Hard to live with it ,, but impossible to live without it
charles
by anderson on Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:34 pm

WELCOME BACK CHARLES!!!
by Marty on Sun Feb 10, 2008 12:40 pm

Welcome back Charles! We missed you!
Marty
by kathyinbama on Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:44 pm

Welcome back, Charles. I hope that you get rested up from your trip and get back to painting.
by shabbytreasures on Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:24 pm

Okay, Hello everybody This is one of those questions I'm not sure I want to ask..... But I have to
know what you guys think! My husband is still working on my studio. So I thought I would set up my
idea for a first still life. I like alot of primitive country antique type stuff and it is mostly the kinda
things I have around the house. It's also the kind of things I like to see in paintings. I notice that there
is not much reflective surface in my set up. I don't have my lighting set up or my shadow box, maybe
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it will be once I set it up with lights. But I thought I would put a few things together.
I would like my painting to be simplistic.. Do you think it's okay if my still life is not made up of highly
reflective items? Or is that the whole point of the effect you can achieve. I don't really have a table
yet that I don't have to paint and shabby-up. So I thought this chair I antiqued and rubbed out would
work. Is this crazy or what. Should I set up on a table like everyone is doing? Also a shiny cover
wouldn't suit the set-up the same way since shiny doesn't go to well with this feeling. Is the quilt a
bad idea? Also should what about the floor a dark or light color? And last but not least, In the picture
the background is my wall on the main floor. My studio will have a black background. I thought I
might build a false wall (Log look) or put an old chippy door behind it to have a contrast to the black
chair. Sorry for so many questions at once.
Any comments would be apprieciated. Thanks
What do you think?

Ruth Wallace
shabbytreasures
by kathyinbama on Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:51 pm

Ruthe,
I am the wrong person to ask, but paint what makes you happy.
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by maryann on Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:38 am

i think you will get good practice drawing it with your pd.. ruth!!
time!
it will keep u busy in the mean
by Mark Carder on Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:57 am

shabbytreasures wrote:
Any comments would be apprieciated. Thanks
first still life set-up pic edited.JPG
I think it is great shabby! You may want to avoid all those detailed patterns in the fabric on your first.
The decoy will look great in a shadow box (a big one) with some nice lighting! I say go for it.
Mark Carder
by shabbytreasures on Tue Feb 12, 2008 11:55 am

Wow thanks Guys! You are such an encouragement to me.
So Mark, do you think I should build the box around the chair?
And include the chair legs? I like the way the chair is rubed out on the legs.
Or just paint from the seat up?
Should I raise the chair up a bit to get a better view of it?
Ruth Wallace
shabbytreasures
by Mark Carder on Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:51 pm

So Mark, do you think I should build the box around the chair? yes
And include the chair legs? I like the way the chair is rubed out on the legs. yes
Should I raise the chair up a bit to get a better view of it? yes
Mark Carder
by shabbytreasures on Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:24 pm

Thanks Mark.
Sorry for asking so many ??????
Ruth Wallace
by charles on Tue Feb 12, 2008 7:45 pm

I think changing the viewing angle will make it look great.
I think I am trying to say placing your focial item just below eye level .
but then again I have been known for not saying what I am thinking ha ha .
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But it looks great and I like choice of items . Has a country feel
charles
by shabbytreasures on Tue Feb 12, 2008 10:05 pm

Hi Charles, It's nice to here from you. Thank for your comments. Did you mean to still raise the chair
up abit but keep it a bit lower? Instead of looking stright-on?
I think I agree with that because It will help me see more of the decoy.
And thanks for the complement on the items, I was feeling so insecure with my choice of items
comparing them with what others were using in their still lifes.
Thanks again!
Ruth Wallace
by charles on Wed Feb 13, 2008 6:30 am

yes Shaby I was trying to say raise both (all) up to a more confortable viewing angle.
Don't ask me why , but for some reason people want to view things close to eye level. ha
ever notice how people will pick things up and raise them up to look at them? ha
and they always raise them to about the same angle .
I bet you have done it a million times at yard sales antque shops etc. unknowly
I have .
Funny yes?
why do painting hang at as certian height on a wall??
Go to the gallery in here and scroll down quickly and notice they all have almost the same viewing
angle .
ha humans
Charles
by maryann on Wed Feb 13, 2008 9:35 am

[quote="charles"]
ever notice how people will pick things up and raise them up to look at them? ha
Charles[/quote
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your so right charles
good point
here would be a good example, i think
now i thought looking down at it was kind of cool,,, so that angle may not be a good painting
compared to looking at it straight on?
maryann
by shabbytreasures on Wed Feb 13, 2008 12:44 pm

That is really smart!!
Ruth Wallace
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by anderson on Thu Feb 14, 2008 11:38 pm

Ruth I absolutely adore your still life
you lots of fun color to work with
I like it on the chair alot. And I love the the quilt. It will give
This is going to be so fantastic! I can already see it in my head. It's an excellent choice!!!!
by dedis de guevara on Wed Apr 30, 2008 11:34 pm

HI EVERYONE , I AM DEDIS FROM VENEZUELA BUT I AM LIVING IN C IT ANADA , WHITEHORSE, I AM
LEARNING ENGLISH NOW. I HAVE BEING WATCHING THE DVD OFTHE CARDER METHOD AND I LIKE A
LOT, ALSO THROUGH OF THE FORUM I GET MANY ANSWERS TO MY QUESTIONS??? THANKS MARK
FOR YOUR TEACHINGS , THIS DVD IS MARVELOUS, EVEN SO IT HELPS ME TO IMPROVE MY LISTENING
AND ALSO I'M LEARNING ABOUT PAINTING, THANK YOU FOR EVERYTHING IAM HAPPY.. I AM
GETTING MANY MATERIAL THAT YOU SAY INTHE DVD, I HOPE SO GETTING AL OF THEM.
THANKS
dedis de guevara
by ruthe on Thu May 01, 2008 7:36 am

Hi Dedis - welcome here! I know you will enjoy painting using Mark's method. Hope you can find all
the things you need to get started without too much trouble. Look forward to getting to know you
!.............ruthe
ruthe
by anderson on Thu May 01, 2008 11:15 am

Hi Dedis
You will love this forum! I'm glad to meet you
by Dottie on Thu May 01, 2008 11:27 am

Hi Dedis,
Welcome!
You are from a beautiful country! My late husband was in the oil field business. I spent alot of time
in Caracas.
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My goodness-I could eat arapas until I burst

I look forward to getting to know you! Dottie
! The Orinoco, Angel Falls oooh!
Dottie
by drjohn71a on Thu May 01, 2008 11:39 am

Hi Dedis,
It is so nice to hear from people such as yourself from far away countries. I look forward to seeing
your still life setups! You are so brave to listen and learn from a foreign language!
John
by shabbytreasures on Thu May 01, 2008 2:24 pm

Welcome to Canada and the forum Dedis!
Ruth Wallace
by Mark Carder on Thu May 01, 2008 2:32 pm

Welcome Dedis!!!
Mark Carder
Glad to see you here!
by dedis de guevara on Sat May 03, 2008 12:35 am

Hello everybody, i enjoy reading all posts that you write, and your arts.. thanks Mark, John, Ruth and
charles for giving me welcome.
Now i only need to get spiral type fluorescent 5000k and the quick drying white , in the Yukon
Territory , Whitehorse no sell
these products if you know places in Canada , please , let me to know .... today i called my daughter
in Calgary for that she look for them over there... (sorry about my spelling)
Thank You,
Dedis
dedis de guevara
by Kat on Sat May 03, 2008 11:09 am

Welcome Dedis! Looking forward to hearing your stories. This forum makes the world a cozy place!
I think we have some people from Canada here who can help you source items. Perhaps they will see
and respond.
"Don't make a damn thing up!" David Quinn Carder on color checking
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Kat
by phyllisgoodrich on Sun Jul 26, 2009 12:44 pm

I so needed to hear this brilliant review of the DVD.. as I sit amidst rolls of black paper and assorted
lightbulbs in my little 'cave'....
I was up at 3:00 am to change my SL for the 80th time and I see it is waaaay ambitious. I can attempt
too much in the beginning, get
frustrated and then quit. I'm hip to myself now and I'm not going to blow this chance to "see". It
mirrors my spiritual path which also wants me to "see' differently.
Thank you Mark for sharing yourself and your gift -- with the level of work on this site you must be
well rewarded. Bless you.
Phyllis
phyllisgoodrich
by Cadmium on Sun Jul 26, 2009 1:00 pm

Phyllis,
You are on the right track. Keep your first SL very simple. It will be a great achievement no matter
how simple it is. And in fact, simple really is very beautiful. Go slow is the best advice on this forum.
Enjoy every step and be smart and easy on yourself. Painting is something like a spiritual exercise for
me because it teaches so many lessons in such a beautiful way. Especially just taking one step at a
time, enjoying it, moving forward, and keeping things simple. Can't wait to see your first SL. It's sure
to reflect your effort and your journey. Have fun!!!
Cadmium
"Art a second Nature makes." --Shakespeare
Cadmium
by le Artist on Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:12 pm

Very nice ladies!! I second those thoughts. Couldn't have said it any better! VERY insightful. (now
let's see some paint on that canvas!!! Ha )
RAY
le Artist
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by Cadmium on Tue Jul 28, 2009 10:29 am

Thanks Ray. There is a lot of inspiration going around from all the great people on the forum. I really
appreciate it. But, I agree, it is ultimately about paint on canvas. I can't get enough.
Cheers,
Cadmium
by phyllisgoodrich on Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:09 pm

Thanks for all the encouragement.....what a truly wonderful bunch of new friends!
Sketched out a painting with the PD....and applied water color...since my 'oil studio' isn't set up
yet.....Already I'm better just seeing more carefully AND not glitzing up the painting with too many
colors and objects. Simplify...Simplify.....
It's in the air..........whether it's economics or painting. Less really IS more.
phyllisgoodrich
by jonathane on Tue Mar 13, 2012 11:00 am

I've finally got things set up after many months of organizing. I've been painting traditional portraits
for a while,.. classical gray scale and alla prima.
My question is,.. when do you STOP,.. using the color checker?
I have heard that Sargent would hold up his brush to the model to match skin tone, so I guess he
really used his form,. of a color checker but when do you stop? You mentioned that you don't paint
this way. Do you mean you just don't use a color checker? Do you mix your colors the same way?
Btw,.. I noticed that if my studio light is directly behind me I CANNOT,.. stop light from my studio
light,. from getting on the still life. I moved that light to the right of my canvas and it seems to be
fine.
jonathane
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by kathyinbama on Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:51 pm

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Re: How to succeed with The Carder Method

by maryann on Tue Feb 12, 2008 9:38 am

it will keep u busy in the mean

Re: How to succeed with The Carder Method

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