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Court Reporter:
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Phoenix, Arizona
October 28, 2015
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No. CV 07-2513-PHX-GMS
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Gary Moll
401 W. Washington Street, SPC #38
Phoenix, Arizona 85003
(602) 322-7263
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Witness:
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No.
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Description
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THE COURT:
Please be seated.
THE CLERK:
hearing.
MS. WANG:
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Good morning.
MS. MORIN:
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Michelle Morin
Good morning.
MR. POCHODA:
Good morning.
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THE COURT:
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09:03:20
Good morning.
MR. KILLEBREW:
Paul
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THE COURT:
Good morning.
MR. POPOLIZIO:
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THE COURT:
THE COURT:
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Cecillia Wang
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Joe
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MR. WALKER:
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Good morning.
Good morning.
Richard Walker
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THE COURT:
Good morning.
MR. WOODS:
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Terry Woods on
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Mel McDonald
Craig Murdy on
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Mackiewicz.
MS. IAFRATE:
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contemnors.
THE COURT:
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Very briefly, a
housekeeping matter.
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Good morning.
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Michele
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today, but we need to get the board approval for the additional
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15,000.
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My hope is
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next week.
THE COURT:
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09:05:22
All right.
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I've told you before, I don't have any objection if you enter
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contract amount.
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clear.
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All right.
It's just a -- sort of a technical issue
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I get it.
THE COURT:
can be.
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renew that invitation, but to the extent that you don't take me
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I would
and I'm willing to consider them, and we can raise them with
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all parties so that all the parties can consider what we come
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up with, so that you can feel and your clients can feel like
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MR. WALKER:
Thank you.
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All right.
Thank you.
Before we start,
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Sure.
THE COURT:
MR. POPOLIZIO:
THE COURT:
THE COURT:
No.
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the chief deputy, this week, and he may, I don't know, have to
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know that.
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Tuesday?
That's all
Okay.
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sidebar that I was thinking of when I asked for it, it's with
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THE COURT:
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I know.
All right.
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THE COURT:
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It's a possibility.
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It
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don't know that they intend to get into questions about that,
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Why?
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was between Your Honor and counsel for the parties addressing
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the testimony that was under seal and is still under seal, so I
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under seal?
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THE COURT:
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in the transcript.
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had already come into the record, and also I believe there was
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THE COURT:
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inclined to do it.
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Thank you.
Thank you.
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Understood.
All right.
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THE COURT:
MS. MORIN:
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BRIAN MACKIEWICZ,
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BY MS. MORIN:
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Q.
2013 when you and Mr. Zullo and Mr. Montgomery were in
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Yes, I do.
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actually typed the search into Google to find out what was the
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Yes, it is.
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Yes, I do.
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actually Mike Zullo's idea to look for the name of the judge?
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No.
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No, I don't.
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that it was Mr. Zullo's idea to find out what the name of the
judge was?
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I do.
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testimony about whose idea it was to look for the judge's name?
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but Dennis Montgomery is actually the one who Googled the name.
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standing by.
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search engine.
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Okay.
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No.
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Yes, I do.
Okay.
Fair enough.
After I
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Thank you.
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No problem.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Yes, it is.
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Correct.
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Yes, I did.
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Yes, we did.
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Exhibit 2927.
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Yes, I did.
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All right.
MS. MORIN:
BY MS. MORIN:
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Oh, I apologize.
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Yes, it is.
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And you created this document after that free talk with the
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Yes, I did.
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And it's your list of the names that were brought up during
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Yes, it is.
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MS. MORIN:
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Exhibit 2920.
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MR. WALKER:
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Yes, I did.
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No objection.
No objection.
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THE WITNESS:
Some
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Fair enough.
clarification.
THE WITNESS:
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Thank you.
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Yes, I do.
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And you put Judge Snow's name on this list because Dennis
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correct?
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Yes, he did.
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Now, during the time you were in Seattle in late 2013, you
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Yes, I did.
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Yes, I did.
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Chief Sheridan.
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Was it --
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Yes, I did.
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then -- or, I'm sorry, before the second week of January, and
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It was less
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I mostly talked to
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Yes, I did.
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Yes, I did.
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right?
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Yes, it was.
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Yes, he was.
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And you gave your update about what was going on in Seattle
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Yes, ma'am.
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, I do.
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the investigation?
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Yes, I did.
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Yes, I did.
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occurred, correct?
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MS. MORIN:
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Exhibit 2085.
MR. POPOLIZIO:
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THE COURT:
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Join.
Overruled.
09:21:30
Is it 2085?
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Correct, 2085.
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THE COURT:
Yes, it may.
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MS. MORIN:
Thank you.
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BY MS. MORIN:
09:21:52
Q.
processing card?
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, it is.
Q.
Is that a typo?
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Yes, it was.
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Yes, it did.
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, it is.
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investigation.
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I can't tell you exactly how many hard drives were bought,
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Correct.
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Thereabout.
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that right?
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THE COURT:
MS. MORIN:
THE WITNESS:
2906 is the
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I have 2906.
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Mr. Montgomery?
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Yes, I do.
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a handwritten receipt.
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09:23:21
We'll be
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And along with the first page memo, there's also a copy of
Yes, I did.
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Yes, I did.
Q.
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Yes, ma'am.
Q.
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I believe so.
Q.
Okay.
take a look at those, please, sir, and just confirm that those
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to 2906.
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Yes.
09:24:40
If you could
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there would have had to been one produced to turn in the memo
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Okay.
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You're welcome.
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MR. WALKER:
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MS. MORIN:
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THE COURT:
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Join.
Overruled.
admitted.
(Exhibits Nos. 2906 - 2915 are admitted in evidence.)
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MS. MORIN:
THE WITNESS:
Thank you.
BY MS. MORIN:
Q.
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Yes, ma'am.
Q.
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, it does.
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Yes, I do.
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MR. POPOLIZIO:
THE COURT:
Objection, foundation.
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09:26:39
BY MS. MORIN:
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Exhibit 2921.
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I recognize -- I
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correct?
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Yes.
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MR. POPOLIZIO:
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THE COURT:
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Objection, foundation.
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BY MS. MORIN:
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MR. POPOLIZIO:
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THE COURT:
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THE WITNESS:
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Objection, foundation.
Overruled.
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THE WITNESS:
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Fair enough.
MR. POPOLIZIO:
THE COURT:
Objection, foundation.
MS. MORIN:
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Q.
09:28:30
And do you see there behind the cover sheet that says
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Yes.
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Yes, ma'am.
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correct?
FR
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09:28:53
09:29:07
A.
No.
MS. MORIN:
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Exhibit 2922.
MR. POPOLIZIO:
MR. WALKER:
THE COURT:
No objection.
BY MS. MORIN:
Q.
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Yes, he did.
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Yes, ma'am.
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MS. MORIN:
2917.
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THE COURT:
MS. MORIN:
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Objection, foundation.
Overruled.
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MR. POPOLIZIO:
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Hearsay.
of the matters.
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09:29:49
Yes, it was.
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Overruled.
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BY MS. MORIN:
Q.
correct?
A.
Yes, I did.
Q.
A.
Yes, ma'am.
Q.
correct?
A.
Yes, it is.
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Yes, I did.
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MS. MORIN:
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2918.
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THE COURT:
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MS. MORIN:
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BY MS. MORIN:
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Q.
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Overruled.
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cumulative.
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MR. POPOLIZIO:
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Yes, ma'am.
Q.
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Yes, I do.
Q.
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Yes, I did.
Q.
And you kept this e-mail in your files as part of your work
on the investigation?
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I must have.
MS. MORIN:
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09:32:22
Exhibit 2904.
MR. POPOLIZIO:
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THE COURT:
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Objection, relevance.
Overruled.
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BY MS. MORIN:
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, I do.
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THE COURT:
It may be published.
MS. MORIN:
THE WITNESS:
Yes, ma'am.
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BY MS. MORIN:
Q.
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Yes, I do.
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Yes, ma'am.
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Okay.
09:33:44
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"Can you
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Yes, I do.
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investigation, right?
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It was an investigation.
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else sees the attachment that you had -- you had e-mailed to
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her, correct?
FR
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Correct.
Q.
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Q.
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Could be.
Q.
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MS. MORIN:
THE COURT:
THE CLERK:
09:35:53
THE CLERK:
DS
09:36:22
MS. MORIN:
It's okay.
23
THE CLERK:
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MS. MORIN:
I apologize.
25
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MR. MASTERSON:
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have one.
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There is an
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apologize.
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You're welcome.
BY MS. MORIN:
Q.
A.
Yes, I am.
Q.
Thank you.
09:36:41
6
7
A.
Yes, ma'am.
Q.
10
Mr. Montgomery?
11
A.
Yes, ma'am.
12
Q.
13
14
A.
Yes, I did.
MS. MORIN:
15
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09:37:04
Exhibit 2919.
MR. POPOLIZIO:
17
THE COURT:
18
Overruled.
19
BY MS. MORIN:
21
Q.
22
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20
09:37:23
IEN
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A.
He could have.
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Yes.
Q.
A.
I'm sorry?
Q.
A.
I could, correct.
Q.
Okay.
A.
Yes, ma'am.
10
Q.
11
12
13
A.
Yes, it was.
14
Q.
And this is another document you kept in your files for the
15
16
A.
MS. MORIN:
23
THE COURT:
Overruled.
MS. MORIN:
MS. MORIN:
24
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25
Q.
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09:38:58
IEN
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09:38:48
MR. POPOLIZIO:
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Exhibit 2923.
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Yes, ma'am.
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09:37:52
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A.
Yes, it is.
Q.
And it says:
sorry.
09:39:43
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7
A.
Yes, I do.
MS. MORIN:
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MR. POPOLIZIO:
THE COURT:
13
Overruled.
14
MS. MORIN:
15
09:40:09
be published, please?
17
18
THE COURT:
It may.
MS. MORIN:
Thank you.
19
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20
Q.
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24
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Okay.
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09:39:56
Exhibit 2901.
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2
A.
Yes, I do.
Q.
And you were talking about the time line that Dennis
provided, correct?
A.
Yes, I am.
Q.
e-mail, by this time Mr. Montgomery had still not provided what
09:40:38
A.
Correct.
11
Q.
12
A.
I could not.
13
Q.
14
15
A.
Yes, ma'am.
16
Q.
17
18
A.
I did not.
19
Q.
20
21
A.
Yes, he did.
22
Q.
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09:41:08
09:41:17
09:41:28
If you
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Yes, ma'am.
25
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that follow the first e-mail, those e-mail chains coming from
A.
Yes, I do.
Q.
A.
Yes, I do.
MS. MORIN:
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Exhibit 2938.
MR. POPOLIZIO:
12
THE COURT:
13
Overruled.
14
15
BY MS. MORIN:
16
Q.
17
18
19
A.
Yes, we did.
20
Q.
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
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Okay.
sorry.
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5
A.
Yes, I do.
Q.
day one."
09:44:01
"From
8
9
A.
Yes, I do.
10
Q.
11
12
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14
09:44:32
16
A.
Yes, I do.
17
Q.
18
A.
Yes, I did.
19
Q.
Thank you.
DS
A.
Yes, ma'am.
22
Q.
IEN
21
Mr. Klayman, this one you also sent to Mike Zullo, on November
24
5th, 2014?
25
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Yes, it is.
09:44:10
Mike
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4
A.
Correct.
Q.
And looking at the bottom of the first page going onto the
Klayman, correct?
A.
Yes, it is.
MS. MORIN:
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Exhibit 2937.
09:45:43
MR. POPOLIZIO:
11
12
hearsay, 805.
THE COURT:
13
Overruled.
14
MS. MORIN:
15
16
BY MS. MORIN:
17
Q.
18
the bottom of the first page and primarily on the second page,
19
20
21
A.
Yes, I do.
22
Q.
And you also informed Mr. Klayman that Mike Zullo was not
09:46:36
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happy with the way Mr. Klayman threatened him, threatened Mike
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09:45:28
Yes.
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And at the bottom of that e-mail you say that, "Oh bye the
3
4
A.
Correct.
Q.
A.
Q.
Thank you.
9
10
A.
Yes, ma'am.
11
Q.
12
13
14
A.
Yes, ma'am.
15
Q.
16
received?
17
A.
Yes.
MS. MORIN:
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09:48:43
805.
THE COURT:
Overruled.
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09:48:34
MR. POPOLIZIO:
IEN
22
09:48:22
Exhibit 2940.
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THE COURT:
Ms. Morin?
MS. MORIN:
9
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09:49:45
Overruled.
12
MS. MORIN:
13
14
BY MS. MORIN:
15
Q.
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17
A.
That's 2263?
18
Q.
Yes, sir.
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A.
Yes, ma'am.
20
Q.
21
22
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A.
Yes, ma'am.
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09:50:36
09:50:53
he promised, correct?
A.
Correct.
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MR. POPOLIZIO:
THE COURT:
Overruled.
7
8
BY MS. MORIN:
Q.
And do you see, sir, that you refer to the 50 hard drives
11
12
e-mail?
13
A.
Yes, I do.
14
Q.
15
A.
I'm sorry.
16
Q.
17
A.
Yes, ma'am.
18
Q.
19
20
A.
Yes, it is.
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DS
10
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IEN
22
09:51:16
09:51:42
09:52:11
of Exhibit 2266.
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THE COURT:
Overruled.
MS. MORIN:
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5
6
THE COURT:
It may be.
MS. MORIN:
Thank you.
BY MS. MORIN:
Q.
14th, 2014:
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Yes, I do.
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Q.
14
15
16
A.
Yes.
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Q.
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19
correct?
20
A.
Correct.
21
Q.
22
Elmer's house down to the ground," you meant that that report
IEN
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12
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A.
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09:52:42
Yes, ma'am.
09:53:06
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fruitful, correct?
A.
Correct.
Q.
A.
Correct.
Q.
A.
Yes, ma'am.
Q.
09:53:41
10
11
"Forward Arpaio"?
12
A.
Yes, ma'am.
13
Q.
14
correct?
15
A.
Yes, ma'am.
16
Q.
17
18
address?
19
A.
21
MS. MORIN:
MR. POPOLIZIO:
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09:54:57
Exhibit 2935.
IEN
22
09:54:42
Yes, it is.
DS
20
09:54:29
BY MS. MORIN:
Overruled.
09:55:09
Q.
A.
And in the top e-mail from Mr. Zullo to Mr. Montgomery, the
Yes, ma'am.
5
6
Honor?
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It may be.
MS. MORIN:
Thank you.
BY MS. MORIN:
10
Q.
11
12
A.
Yes, ma'am.
15
Q.
16
to Mr. Montgomery?
17
A.
Yes, he is.
18
Q.
19
A.
I would imagine.
20
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14
Thank you.
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09:55:25
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09:55:19
MR. POPOLIZIO:
09:56:16
THE COURT:
Overruled.
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I was read a
action.
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question.
THE COURT:
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limited exception.
22
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18
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09:57:11
Thank you.
17
16
09:57:29
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MS. MORIN:
All right.
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BY MS. MORIN:
Q.
A.
Yes, I do.
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Q.
11
09:58:01
MR. POPOLIZIO:
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THE COURT:
MS. MORIN:
Sure.
15
BY MS. MORIN:
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Q.
17
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Yes, I do.
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21
of that interview?
22
A.
09:58:27
DS
09:58:45
IEN
Yes, I do.
23
Q.
24
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Yes, I have.
25
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Sheriff Arpaio made regarding finding out who the snitch was?
A.
Yes, I do.
Q.
the snitch, and whether Mary Ann McKessy was the snitch?
MR. POPOLIZIO:
THE COURT:
6
7
MS. MORIN:
BY MS. MORIN:
10
Q.
11
12
A.
13
14
Q.
15
16
Detective Tennyson that the sheriff wanted to find out who the
17
18
A.
Yes, ma'am.
19
Q.
20
A.
21
Q.
22
09:59:24
I can't tell you what the sheriff did want or didn't want;
IEN
09:59:44
DS
Right.
23
A.
Yes, ma'am.
24
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25
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09:59:10
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9
Objection, foundation.
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to the media.
concern was.
5
6
long run.
Q.
And when you say information was leaking to the media, you
10
11
A.
Just in general.
12
Q.
13
A.
Just --
14
Q.
Withdraw that.
15
16
to find out who the snitch was, you were referring to who a
17
18
19
A.
21
23
MS. MORIN:
THE COURT:
You may.
MS. MORIN:
24
BY MS. MORIN:
25
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Correct.
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this, you said that the MCSO was concerned about finding out
A.
Correct.
Q.
Who did you talk to about this issue of the MCSO and the
A.
Q.
But you said you were aware that MCSO wanted to -- was
A.
10
Q.
11
said the sheriff wanted to find out who the snitch was, right?
12
A.
13
conversation.
MS. MORIN:
have.
Cross-examination?
MR. POPOLIZIO:
17
That's all we
10:03:29
THE COURT:
16
CROSS-EXAMINATION
18
BY MR. POPOLIZIO:
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Q.
21
A.
22
Q.
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19
23
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A.
Yes.
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15
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Yes, sir.
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A.
Yes, sir.
Q.
A.
Fifteen years.
Q.
A.
10
Q.
Okay.
11
12
A.
Of course.
13
Q.
14
A.
15
16
17
18
19
investigators themselves.
20
Q.
21
22
A.
DS
Okay.
10:04:39
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10:05:18
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Absolutely.
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and that leaks out and it's exposed, then other people could
Q.
MR. POPOLIZIO:
9
10
Your Honor?
10:06:16
THE WITNESS:
11
Yes, sir.
12
BY MR. POPOLIZIO:
13
Q.
14
federal judge.
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
17
A.
18
Q.
19
A.
20
D.C.
21
Q.
Okay.
22
A.
No, it didn't.
IEN
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10:06:37
10:06:53
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Q.
24
Judge Lamberth?
25
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10:05:49
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Several.
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Okay.
A.
Yes, I did.
Q.
A.
Q.
Okay.
A.
Yes, I was.
Q.
-- at these meetings?
A.
Yes, I was.
10
Q.
11
A.
Larry Klayman.
12
Q.
13
A.
14
Q.
15
A.
Yes, he did.
16
Q.
17
e-mail?
18
A.
Yes, it is.
19
Q.
20
A.
10:07:34
10:08:08
Yes, I do.
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Q.
24
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Yes, it was.
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A.
I did not.
Q.
A.
He sent it to us in an e-mail.
Q.
A.
No.
Q.
A.
Correct.
Q.
10
Exhibit 2920.
10:08:36
10:09:12
11
12
A.
Yes, I do.
13
Q.
Okay.
14
A.
15
10:09:30
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17
18
his history.
19
names.
20
try to wrap my head around all the people that were -- he was
21
So I wanted to
DS
23
through e-mail, listed out all the people that I had never
24
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speak.
Q.
Montgomery?
A.
No.
Q.
A.
Absolutely not.
Q.
Now, you said you've been with the Sheriff's Office for 15
years?
10
A.
11
12
Q.
13
14
A.
Yes, I am.
15
Q.
16
17
A.
18
years.
19
20
reference employees.
21
22
Okay.
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10:11:43
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A.
Yes.
Q.
Okay.
A.
One of the things that I've been doing the last couple
10:12:26
10
11
12
Q.
13
November 2013?
14
A.
Yes, I did.
15
Q.
16
17
A.
Yes, I did.
18
Q.
Okay.
19
Seattle investigation?
20
A.
21
Q.
22
could you please tell me, what was the purpose of the Seattle
DS
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investigation?
24
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I was investigating.
Q.
A.
Q.
10
A.
Correct.
11
Q.
12
A.
Yes, it is.
13
Q.
14
15
A.
16
17
18
19
Q.
20
these numbers?
21
A.
22
Q.
Okay.
10:14:19
10:14:30
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And these numbers that you just gave me, who provided you
23
24
County?
25
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A.
Yes, he did.
Q.
And could you tell me, do you know -- well, could you tell
me, did Dennis Montgomery tell you how he came into possession
of this information?
A.
10
this information.
11
Q.
12
this information?
13
A.
14
Q.
15
A.
16
Q.
Who is he?
17
A.
18
19
20
21
alleging.
22
Q.
10:15:49
10:16:04
DS
IEN
Okay.
He had known
10:16:27
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A.
Yes, I did.
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A.
Yes, he did.
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citizens on it?
A.
Yes, he did.
Q.
A.
10:16:59
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Maricopa County.
11
Q.
12
13
A.
Yes, I did.
14
Q.
15
A.
16
17
18
Q.
19
A.
20
21
22
Q.
10:17:18
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10:17:55
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But when he showed you some PDF that contained names that
23
24
referring to?
25
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10:17:32
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Okay.
A.
Q.
A.
Correct.
Q.
somehow?
A.
Yes, sir.
Q.
10
11
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12
13
Q.
14
investigation?
15
A.
I was.
16
Q.
17
18
A.
19
and then actually our first trip was middle of January of 2014
20
21
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22
investigation?
10:18:46
10:19:02
DS
10:19:24
IEN
23
A.
To be a supervisor.
24
Q.
25
A.
Correct.
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investigation?
A.
No.
Q.
the investigation?
A.
Sergeant Anglin.
Q.
A.
Yes.
case.
10:19:52
It -- to my knowledge.
10
Q.
11
12
13
A.
14
Q.
Okay.
15
A.
Case agent.
16
Q.
Detective?
17
A.
Correct.
18
Q.
Okay.
19
A.
Sergeant.
20
Q.
21
A.
Yes, he did.
22
Q.
Okay.
DS
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10:20:19
10:20:27
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A.
Yes, he did.
24
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25
A.
Yes, I did.
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Now, when you worked with Mr. Zullo -- well, let's back up
a little bit.
A.
Support.
Q.
Is he a Posse member?
A.
Yes, he is.
Q.
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
Okay.
11
A.
12
13
14
15
Q.
16
17
A.
Yes, sir.
18
Q.
Okay.
19
A.
No.
20
Q.
21
A.
No.
22
Q.
What
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10:21:13
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No.
24
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I didn't.
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A.
I do now.
Q.
Okay.
A.
Eric Holder.
mix.
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concerned, that was straight from the top, 'cause that was
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Lanny Breuer?
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investigation?
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That was another order that came from Chief Jerry Sheridan,
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Yes, I do.
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If that makes
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Dennis Montgomery.
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I did.
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Mike.
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date and really didn't understand what this Melendres thing was
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That's all I
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And I
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was done?
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Yes, I did.
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Did you report to the chief deputy that this type of search
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We could break.
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This is fine.
All right.
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for a living?
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Yes, he is.
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It was
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identity fraud?
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Yes, he did.
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of names?
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It was random.
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document.
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I do not.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, I did.
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Yes, it was.
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I don't, sir.
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Not exactly.
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Like what?
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any one victim came out and exactly said, That's exactly what
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So we moved forward.
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Washington.
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I never looked --
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randomly selected.
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Okay.
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No.
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No.
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Why not?
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sheet.
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Judge Snow's name, or a Snow name on the computer, did you ever
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information?
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How come?
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No.
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Why not?
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that that was important to us, but we had never actually told
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information?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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I believe it was in
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had some kind of number after it, and I had no idea what the
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Did you verify whether any numbers on that sheet were from
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Yes, I did.
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cell phone.
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No, sir.
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claims?
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Yes, I did.
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Yes, I did.
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Could have been together, could have been separate, I'm not
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first place?
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that.
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off that.
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Well, strike
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No.
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Yes, sir.
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Okay.
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Yes, he was.
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were?
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known what the credibility issues were when we went into it.
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Mr. Montgomery?
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Several occasions.
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Okay.
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Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
We had
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Yes, sir.
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Mr. Montgomery.
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Okay.
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Correct.
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-- is that right?
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Yes, sir.
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would, I don't want to say give him immunity, but anything that
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was said under the free talk agreement would not be used
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before this?
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first place.
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Yes, sir.
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Okay.
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We brought it out.
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I did.
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meeting?
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could you just kind of describe, if you can paint a picture for
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You're welcome.
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You may.
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Correct.
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But you are aware that Mr. Zullo had conversations with
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Correct.
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investigation, right?
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Absolutely not.
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He did.
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You also testified that -- I think you said that you didn't
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strike that.
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I apologize.
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I do recall that.
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Judge Snow.
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it could have been, but that you thought you were looking at,
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among those names Snow, you thought you were looking at one of
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not.
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Detective Mackiewicz --
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Yes, sir.
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No problem, sir.
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and what I want to talk to you about are the trips that you
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Washington, D.C.?
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recollection?
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making as far as all his -- all the times he went to make the
Correct, '14.
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All right.
Judge Lambert --
A subsequent meeting,
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Not really.
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In his chambers.
All right.
It was
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Mr. Klayman?
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Absolutely not.
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Correct.
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meeting?
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All right.
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December, and he pretty much went through his history and told
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very neutral.
Can you
11:23:00
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other.
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judge?
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Larry, and probably Dina James again, because they were always
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thought our options were, and basically the judge was honest.
He said:
options:
immunity; you go to the CIA; or you wait and see if you can get
9
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2014 was a voting year, so they were trying to figure out who
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Mr. Montgomery.
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corrected?
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the truth.
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whole problem with this case was Dennis never provided what he
I get you.
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to provide.
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Arpaio?
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meetings?
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I believe so.
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way at all.
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the judge said would be knowledge that you would have given
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him.
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Correct.
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Correct, sir.
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Correct.
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Judge Lamberth ever discuss his term as being on the FISA Court
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the concept of it, but I don't know exactly what it stands for.
And to be honest, I
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Yes.
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And what --
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I don't know,
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Did he ever con -- did you ever show him the wiretap
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from you?
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him that Judge Lamberth confirmed that those were wire -- those
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either.
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that.
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Judge Lamberth?
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Well, what did Judge Lamberth say and what did you ask
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the numbers, kind of, Oh, that's kind of interesting, and then
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wiretaps.
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it.
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Mike Bailey?
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apologize.
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Steve Bailey?
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A lot of this
11:31:45
Do you know who I'm talking about when I say -Captain Steve Bailey?
Steve Bailey.
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office?
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Correct.
About, yeah.
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MS. MORIN:
THE COURT:
Thanks.
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MS. WANG:
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Mr. Walker?
MR. WALKER:
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I have no more
MR. POPOLIZIO:
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THE WITNESS:
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questions.
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All right.
under oath.
THE WITNESS:
Yes, sir.
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BY MS. WANG:
Q.
A.
Good morning.
Q.
11:34:25
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11
A.
Yes.
12
Q.
13
spin-off investigation"?
14
A.
I do.
15
Q.
16
A.
Yes.
17
Q.
All right.
18
on the stand, you testified that you could not recall whether
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Yeah.
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24
your recollection.
25
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All right.
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correct?
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Yes.
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All right.
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All right.
18
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21
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IEN
All right.
Okay.
11:37:10
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The format of this is not the way I've seen it before, but
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you?
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Okay.
Yes.
11:37:34
MS. WANG:
All right.
defense counsel.
THE COURT:
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under seal.
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MR. MASTERSON:
11
12
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14
of them are ongoing, and that is why it was lodged under seal.
15
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20
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Yeah.
MR. MASTERSON:
23
24
ongoing, some may be under appeal, but they are not all
25
concluded.
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22
11:38:05
Ms. Iafrate?
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I understand that.
11:39:27
THE COURT:
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THE COURT:
11
All right.
MR. MASTERSON:
10
11:39:54
numbers here.
THE COURT:
12
All right.
13
14
already been filed with this Court -- I'm going to admit the
15
exhibit.
16
17
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18
with your client and provide me with any justification for any
20
21
public.
22
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24
matters, but I'll hold that for a day while you do that
25
research.
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11:39:37
11:40:46
MR. MASTERSON:
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Yes.
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11
last on the stand whether there were any recurring issues that
12
13
investigations.
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I do.
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Yes.
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25
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11:40:53
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Q.
All right.
A.
Q.
All right.
THE COURT:
I'm sorry.
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
I don't want to be --
microphone.
11:42:35
THE WITNESS:
11
THE COURT:
12
you're soft-spoken.
THE COURT:
15
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
THE WITNESS:
14
I will.
Thank you.
16
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17
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18
19
personnel, correct?
20
A.
Yes.
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22
mishandled, correct?
11:42:55
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A.
Yes.
24
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25
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11:42:28
hear you.
13
THE WITNESS:
10
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mishandled, correct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
correct?
A.
Yes.
10
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All right.
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12
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
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20
Okay.
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24
or MCSO Dispatch was not informed of the reason for the stop?
25
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11:43:20
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All right.
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Okay.
well?
A.
Q.
Okay.
A.
Yes.
Q.
563?
A.
Yes.
Q.
All right.
562?
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11
A.
Yes.
12
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13
A.
Yes.
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15
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
25
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And is it true that the one MCSO employee who had the
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Armendariz himself?
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
10
A.
I don't know off the top of my head what the breakdown was
11
12
Q.
Okay.
13
A.
14
15
Q.
This font is so
11:47:14
MS. WANG:
Mr. Klein?
17
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18
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19
20
Exhibit 2942.
21
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We've marked it as
23
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11:47:37
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Sure.
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most?
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And did any of them, other than the two cases which we just
12
looked at, did any of them receive any discipline greater than
13
14
A.
15
Q.
Sure.
16
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11:49:20
THE WITNESS:
18
MS. WANG:
19
Okay.
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THE CLERK:
That's the
11:49:50
(Handing).
23
THE WITNESS:
24
THE CLERK:
25
MS. WANG:
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11:49:02
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11:48:43
Thanks.
You're welcome.
Thank you, Ms. Zoratti.
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THE WITNESS:
BY MS. WANG:
Q.
A.
That's correct.
10
Q.
All right.
11
12
13
All right.
Of all of the
14
16
A.
Yes.
17
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18
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investigation.
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11:52:03
Yes.
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11:51:08
That was a
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I do.
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Q.
All right.
had an issue with that because the HSU offices still housed
MR. MASTERSON:
10
MS. WANG:
11
Objection, foundation.
11:52:52
12
think I misspoke.
13
BY MS. WANG:
14
Q.
15
16
17
MR. MASTERSON:
18
THE COURT:
19
11:53:04
Objection, foundation.
Sustained.
BY MS. WANG:
21
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11:53:24
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23
A.
I did.
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Yes.
Q.
All right.
A.
Yes.
Q.
And are you aware of whether any PSB personnel raised the
problematic?
Yes.
10
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11
believe.
12
Q.
13
14
15
16
A.
At PSB?
17
Q.
18
19
capacity.
20
A.
That's correct.
21
Q.
22
A.
Yes.
IEN
11:54:19
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24
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Okay.
11:54:02
DS
Right.
11:53:45
11:54:36
11:54:59
A.
Q.
Okay.
monitor's report.
At pages 2829.
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Yes.
Q.
And is it true that the Monitor Team did not receive a copy
10
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interviews?
12
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13
Q.
14
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16
Q.
All right.
17
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19
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11:56:13
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additional questions.
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THE COURT:
THE WITNESS:
MS. WANG:
Objection, foundation.
Sure.
BY MS. WANG:
Q.
interviews, correct?
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A.
Yes.
12
Q.
And they had many more questions that they suggested beyond
13
14
A.
Yes.
15
Q.
16
questions, correct?
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That's correct.
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21
is that correct?
22
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11:57:37
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at the time.
24
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25
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11:57:26
All right.
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Yes.
Q.
And you told the Monitor Team that you would take that
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
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case.
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
Okay.
16
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plaintiff class.
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MELC160123.
21
MS. WANG:
MR. MASTERSON:
Objection, foundation.
23
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11:58:28
referred the --
Excuse me.
12:00:42
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As to
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MS. WANG:
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9
All right.
BY MS. WANG:
10
Q.
11
A.
12
Q.
In the past.
13
14
A.
Yes.
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Q.
16
A.
Yes.
17
Q.
18
Fax?
19
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Yes.
20
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21
correct?
22
A.
12:01:03
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12:00:53
All right.
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Yes.
Q.
All right.
Latino or Hispanic?
12:01:53
MR. MASTERSON:
THE WITNESS:
Yes.
MR. MASTERSON:
THE COURT:
-- foundation.
Overruled.
THE WITNESS:
10
Objection --
11
BY MS. WANG:
12
Q.
13
correct?
14
A.
Yes.
15
Q.
All right.
16
17
18
A.
Yes.
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Q.
20
21
A.
Yes.
22
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All right.
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12:01:59
MR. MASTERSON:
Objection, foundation.
12:02:03
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12:02:37
THE COURT:
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opinion.
BY MS. WANG:
Q.
All right.
12:02:48
MR. MASTERSON:
9
10
BY MS. WANG:
11
Q.
Objection, foundation.
12:03:13
12
13
14
15
the truck?
16
A.
Yes.
17
Q.
All right.
18
Schoeninger -- withdrawn.
23
Withdrawn.
24
MR. MASTERSON:
25
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21
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20
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Objection, foundation.
Overruled.
12:04:08
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wouldn't be a search.
BY MS. WANG:
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
All right.
All right.
10
11
A.
I believe he did.
12
Q.
13
A.
I don't know.
14
Q.
15
16
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17
Q.
Okay.
18
Fax's memorandum.
19
middle there.
12:04:33
12:04:46
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20
"It then
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Yes.
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A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
11
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
And that his other reason for the stop, that the license
14
plate was obstructed by the trailer ball hitch, was not true,
15
correct?
16
A.
Correct.
17
Q.
18
19
20
12:05:48
12:06:22
A.
12:06:44
Vaguely, yes.
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21
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Okay.
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A.
Q.
page 135.
5
6
memorandum:
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11
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13
A.
I see that.
14
Q.
All right.
THE COURT:
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MS. WANG:
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THE COURT:
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MS. WANG:
THE COURT:
IEN
22
THE COURT:
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Yeah.
Oh, I apologize.
12:08:07
This is fine.
All right.
after 1:00.
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12:07:47
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MS. WANG:
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12:07:32
Thank you.
Please be seated.
13:26:11
MS. WANG:
THE COURT:
MS. WANG:
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BY MS. WANG:
Q.
A.
Good afternoon.
Q.
13:26:21
9
10
11
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
14
15
A.
16
Q.
Okay.
17
correct?
18
A.
19
20
Q.
21
22
questions, right?
13:26:50
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All right.
23
A.
Yes.
24
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All right.
25
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13:26:33
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13:27:15
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Sort of.
Q.
questions, correct?
A.
questions.
Q.
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12
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14
Q.
15
as a baseline, correct?
16
A.
Strenuously suggest.
17
Q.
18
A.
Yes.
19
Q.
And you said you would take that under advisement, correct?
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
All right.
22
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13:27:41
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leading questions?
A.
In all?
Q.
A.
different.
Q.
A.
Providing them all the answers that you want to hear back,
10
11
answer back to you, and I don't think that's what Sergeant Fax
12
was doing.
13
Q.
14
15
16
A.
In some occasions.
17
Q.
All right.
18
19
A.
20
Q.
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22
A.
13:29:07
13:29:25
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Okay.
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13:28:52
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Okay.
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Yes.
Q.
All right.
10
A.
11
Q.
All right.
12
13:30:35
All right.
13
14
sir?
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
Okay.
17
18
A.
Yes.
19
Q.
All right.
20
give you a brief summary, and you can take a look at the
21
13:31:22
Let me
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Q.
Of course.
A.
Please.
(Pause in proceedings.)
THE WITNESS:
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13:33:20
MS. WANG:
11
Sure.
(Pause in proceedings.)
12
THE WITNESS:
13
Okay.
14
BY MS. WANG:
15
Q.
Okay.
16
A.
I don't.
17
Q.
All right.
18
19
13:34:40
I'm sorry.
I'll
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FR
23
Yes.
13:34:53
13:35:13
Q.
All right.
A.
Yes.
MS. WANG:
Exhibit 2772.
MR. MASTERSON:
THE COURT:
MS. WANG:
THE COURT:
Objection, relevance.
Overruled.
10
BY MS. WANG:
11
Q.
12
13
14
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
All right.
17
18
19
A.
Okay.
20
Q.
All right.
21
22
Hechavarria:
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13:36:11
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Armendariz, correct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
7
8
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Yes.
Q.
"As the
11
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
15
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Yes.
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20
correct?
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Yes.
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13:36:53
Correct?
"He's doin'
13:37:10
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25
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A.
Yes.
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"Yeah.
That's exactly what happened, um, that's why, like you said,
13:37:50
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7
A.
Yes.
Q.
10
Hechavarria, right?
11
A.
12
13
14
Q.
15
16
13:38:02
Sergeant Fax is
17
A.
Yes.
19
Q.
20
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22
A.
DS
18
13:38:26
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24
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I don't.
25
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All right.
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I didn't.
Q.
Okay.
And again I'll ask you to take a look at that and let
6
7
PSB commander.
A.
10
Q.
All right.
11
12
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
All right.
15
16
17
A.
Yes.
18
Q.
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20
A.
Yes.
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22
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Yes.
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All right.
13:41:02
8
9
paragraph.
Thank you.
10
A.
Yes.
11
Q.
12
13
and at least one of the other two MCSO personnel discuss how
14
the van had all the indicators they had talked about and that
15
13:41:21
16
A.
Yes.
18
Q.
19
20
21
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17
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THE COURT:
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Objection, foundation.
Overruled.
I believe it could be perceived that
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workplace professionalism.
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Go ahead.
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Yes.
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case did not have to do with whether the stop was justified,
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was that one of the MCSO deputies, at the end of the traffic
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case, correct?
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Yes.
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had not been justified did not end up being the subject of any
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No.
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did.
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And on that page and the following, were the following MCSO
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Joya, David."
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Yes.
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correct?
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Yes.
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investigation?
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statement?
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offensive?
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a policy violation?
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Yes.
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correct?
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the page.
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Yes.
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I believe so.
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litigation?
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the case.
probably show.
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Check MELC160808.
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Yes.
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All right.
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All right.
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traveling alone"?
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Okay.
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bar is visible.
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Now, sir, do you see that the video has paused but the time
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Yes.
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Here we go.
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says "IAPro"?
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Yes.
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end.
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video recording ends, and this was the copy that was produced
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to plaintiffs.
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did you?
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No.
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All right.
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Exhibit 2068.
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MS. WANG:
Exhibit 2104.
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Objection, relevance.
Overruled.
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evidence.
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evidence.
2104?
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report.
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It's not in
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I may be wrong.
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exhibit is admitted.
The
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I did.
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with the case, but the details I may not be able to recall
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right away.
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Yes.
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Objection, relevance.
Overruled.
All right.
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On
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All right.
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particular finding one way and then found his actual findings
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Okay.
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Yes.
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But your position is that you did not -- you did not direct
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All right.
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Which event?
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When you told him -- when you had the conversation with him
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to Sergeant Fax.
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the plaintiffs?
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I don't know.
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guess.
Is that
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in evidence.
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Okay.
Q.
2112.
All right.
I'm sorry.
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file is this?
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Armendariz, correct?
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Yes.
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correct?
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There's a
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Oh, yes.
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THE CLERK:
MS. WANG:
THE CLERK:
Here it is.
THE WITNESS:
Thank you.
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Here's my question.
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Mr. Abreu, and interviewed the MCSO personnel who were involved
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driver of the car who made the complaint, Mr. Abreu, had one
version of events and Deputy Kikes and the Posse members who
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MS. WANG:
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the question.
THE WITNESS:
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in those situations?
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Exhibit 2062.
All right.
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Sure.
Q.
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Okay.
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Here it is.
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And if you turn to the next page of the exhibit you'll see
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I do.
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All right.
correct?
A.
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I think so.
Q.
All right.
over.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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And you were familiar with the reason that Chief Deputy
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grievance.
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All right.
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With what?
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that Deputy Hechavarria was not the only deputy involved in the
policy violation?
Okay.
MR. MASTERSON:
MS. WANG:
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I'm sorry.
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correct?
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sustained as well."
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grievance, correct?
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Yes.
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All right.
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is that correct?
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All right.
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It could be.
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Yes.
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I believe so.
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Yes.
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And that case concerned events that happened while you were
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front of you.
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correct?
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Yes.
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exhibit --
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I don't recall.
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I believe so.
All right.
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Yes.
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came up.
MR. MASTERSON:
MR. WALKER:
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No objection.
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correct?
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Yes.
Q.
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A.
There is.
Q.
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Yes.
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And are you aware that there were numerous other IA cases
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ID cards, correct?
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Yes.
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Yes.
Q.
correct?
A.
Yes.
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Yes.
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And there was another set of IDs that had been shredded
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15
correct?
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Correct.
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Yes.
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All right.
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Yes.
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And when you first heard about these Knapp IDs on July 7th
A.
Yes.
Q.
And you learned that Sergeant Knapp had tried to turn those
destruction, correct?
A.
called there.
10
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11
John Shamley of the Property Unit had refused to take those IDs
12
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Yes.
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16
correct?
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15-04.
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20- --
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2065.
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All right.
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All right.
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Yes.
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"Question:
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should have followed the 15-04 Briefing Board that was sent out
15
in April."
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Yes.
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And it's because of all the IDs that were coming to light
That was the -- that Briefing Board was the result of those
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Now, after you found out about the Knapp IDs from Sergeant
14:30:07
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immediately, correct?
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I did.
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Yes.
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And you wanted to find out whether he was aware that Knapp
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Yes.
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22
a memorandum, correct?
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And you then took steps to make sure the IDs were secured
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I did.
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I did.
Q.
And that was the same day you found out about them, on July
7, 2015, correct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
And you also informed Chief Deputy Sheridan about the Knapp
10
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11
Q.
And, in fact, you spoke to him more than once on July 7th,
12
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I believe I did.
14
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And you were aware that Chief Deputy Sheridan was concerned
15
16
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Perplexed.
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Yeah.
21
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And you knew that there were many IA cases already pending
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I'm sorry.
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Yes.
Q.
And you told Chief Deputy Sheridan that you had already
A.
I believe I did.
Q.
Now, the next day, July 8th, 2015, you had further
follow-up, correct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
10
Q.
And you proposed the day after the discovery of the Knapp
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14
we should do that.
15
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All right.
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He did.
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Yes.
19
Q.
All right.
20
21
September -- sorry, July 7th, 2015, PSB had a meeting where the
22
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Yes.
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Yes.
Q.
correct?
A.
I was.
Q.
14:33:16
10
11
A.
Yes.
12
Q.
13
meeting, correct?
14
A.
15
16
Q.
17
18
A.
Yes.
19
Q.
All right.
20
21
22
A.
14:33:42
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Okay.
14:33:55
IEN
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24
Q.
25
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A.
I would expect.
Q.
All right.
A.
Q.
All right.
10
11
A.
I did.
12
Q.
And you and Sheridan discussed where the IDs had come from,
13
likely?
14
A.
15
his memo.
16
Q.
17
IDs, correct?
18
A.
19
would have --
20
Q.
Um-hum.
21
A.
-- I'm sure.
22
Q.
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25
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Yes.
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A.
Yes.
Q.
any court orders might be at issue with the Knapp IDs, correct?
A.
Q.
10
11
A.
Yes.
12
Q.
Okay.
13
14
A.
He did.
15
Q.
16
17
A.
Yes.
18
Q.
19
20
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
DS
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14:35:52
23
stop the IA case for now, you did not do anything further on
24
25
2015, correct?
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14:35:33
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correct?
A.
Q.
A.
Q.
Okay.
IDs, you generally were aware that there were court orders
11
12
A.
13
Q.
And you were also aware, at the time that you found out
14
15
16
A.
17
Q.
18
19
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
22
A.
Yes.
IEN
DS
10
23
Q.
24
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14:37:02
14:37:20
14:37:40
14:37:53
Yes.
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And this was something that you and other PSB personnel
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
present, correct?
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
11
12
13
14
A.
15
Q.
16
17
A.
18
Q.
19
A.
20
Q.
Okay.
21
afterwards.
22
IEN
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Okay.
14:38:38
14:38:57
14:39:09
23
24
A.
Yes.
25
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Q.
All right.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
And she told you that she was going to look into the
A.
10
research.
11
Q.
12
13
A.
That's correct.
14
Q.
Sir, did you ask Ms. Iafrate what you should do if the
15
16
17
A.
18
Q.
All right.
19
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
22
14:39:57
And she also told you not to disclose the IDs to the
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IEN
14:40:13
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14:40:32
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present?
A.
Q.
Okay.
present?
A.
others.
Okay.
Q.
Okay.
11
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
14
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
Now, Chief Kiyler of the Monitor Team asked you about the
17
Dickner and the Leroy IDs during that July 20th meeting,
18
correct?
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
21
22
A.
DS
10
14:41:19
14:41:40
14:41:48
IEN
Yes.
23
Q.
24
A.
That's correct.
25
Q.
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Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
investigation, correct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
IDs, correct?
A.
That's correct.
11
Q.
12
13
A.
That's correct.
14
Q.
15
A.
16
Q.
17
A.
Yes.
18
Q.
19
meeting?
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
22
IEN
DS
10
24
A.
I had not.
25
Q.
And after the July 20th meeting, you did not talk to
FR
23
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Q.
questions you might get from the Monitor Team about the Knapp
IDs?
MR. MASTERSON:
Objection.
THE COURT:
10
Overruled.
THE WITNESS:
11
14:44:05
I'm sorry.
12
BY MS. WANG:
13
Q.
14
meeting with the Monitor Team, did you ever speak to Michele
15
Iafrate about potential questions that you might get from the
16
17
A.
No.
18
Q.
19
20
21
A.
22
DS
Sure.
14:44:22
14:44:40
IEN
23
Q.
Okay.
24
A.
Yes.
25
Q.
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A.
same.
Q.
This is the
7
8
10
11
A.
12
Q.
13
14
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
Okay.
17
18
19
class?
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
22
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24
25
A.
Yes.
14:45:42
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14:46:21
14:46:37
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ordered:
1.
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14:47:31
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A.
I do.
12
Q.
13
14
15
A.
Yes, I do.
16
Q.
All right.
17
A.
18
Q.
Okay.
19
20
monitor, correct?
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
All right.
24
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25
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14:47:12
14:47:59
It reads:
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5
A.
I do.
Q.
THE COURT:
10
11
14:48:30
Objection, foundation.
12
13
reading this, but now that I read it, it makes sense and I
14
understand it.
15
BY MS. WANG:
16
Q.
17
18
Team, correct?
19
A.
20
Q.
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
IEN
14:48:52
DS
Okay.
23
24
25
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14:49:03
14:49:23
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A.
Yes.
Q.
Sir, later in the week of July 20th, 2015, did you learn
that someone else in PSB had disclosed the Knapp IDs to the
Monitor Team?
A.
Q.
And so you did not know during the week of July 20th
10
A.
11
Q.
12
13
14
15
A.
16
17
18
Q.
19
20
trouble for answering Chief Kiyler the way that you had?
21
A.
22
Q.
You were not worried after the July 20th meeting that it
We had a discussion
14:50:15
14:50:31
IEN
DS
You did not express any concern during the week of July
23
24
A.
No.
25
Q.
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14:49:54
14:50:48
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2
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
I believe so.
Q.
And at that time that you found out about the Seattle
10
A.
11
12
Q.
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
15
that right?
16
A.
17
18
Q.
19
assigned to SID in the late 2013 time frame because he had worn
20
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
14:51:41
14:52:04
IEN
DS
23
me back up.
24
25
A.
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He wasn't a
14:51:23
Yes.
14:52:25
14:52:42
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Sheridan, correct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
11
12
A.
Yes.
13
Q.
14
15
A.
16
17
Q.
18
19
of those individuals?
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
22
IEN
23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
25
A.
FR
14:53:03
14:53:17
DS
All right.
14:52:51
14:53:29
14:53:40
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Okay.
A.
Q.
correct?
A.
No.
Q.
10
11
A.
Yes, he did.
12
Q.
13
14
15
THE COURT:
16
19
Q.
20
A.
I did.
21
Q.
And did Chief Deputy Sheridan also tell you that he needed
22
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BY MS. WANG:
IEN
14:54:25
18
23
under control?
24
A.
25
FR
14:54:10
Overruled.
THE WITNESS:
17
Objection, foundation.
14:53:57
14:54:39
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Okay.
A.
investigation.
Q.
Okay.
10
A.
11
Q.
All right.
12
13
14
15
A.
16
Q.
Okay.
17
investigation?
18
A.
19
Q.
20
A.
I did.
21
Q.
22
that, correct?
14:55:46
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IEN
14:55:27
23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
25
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14:55:12
14:55:58
14:56:09
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I did.
Q.
that right?
A.
Q.
correct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
10
11
A.
12
Q.
13
14
A.
15
Q.
Okay.
16
17
18
A.
19
20
Q.
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
14:56:36
14:56:51
IEN
DS
23
investigation, correct?
24
A.
Yes.
25
Q.
And just prior to the meeting you were face to face with
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14:56:20
14:57:07
14:57:16
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Q.
Yes.
A.
Q.
already.
10
Okay.
document.
This is the
14:57:58
11
12
13
referring to?
14
A.
15
16
Q.
17
18
Okay.
I don't
14:58:14
19
this?
21
A.
22
DS
20
14:58:45
IEN
23
Q.
24
25
A.
FR
14:57:32
Okay.
14:58:56
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A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
was anything.
Q.
A.
Yes.
10
Q.
11
A.
12
Q.
13
A.
No.
14
Q.
15
A.
16
response.
17
Q.
18
19
document, correct?
20
A.
Yes.
21
Q.
And you are aware that after you had that exchange with the
22
14:59:23
"I do know"?
14:59:30
IEN
DS
And you told the sheriff that because you believed there
23
A.
That's my understanding.
24
Q.
25
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14:59:09
14:59:48
15:00:07
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Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
That's correct.
Q.
A.
15:00:22
10
were.
11
Q.
12
13
14
A.
Yes.
15
Q.
All right.
16
17
18
A.
19
Q.
20
21
information seemed credible, and you said you couldn't see how
22
IEN
DS
All right.
23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
And you and all four attorneys present at the January 2nd,
25
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15:00:33
15:00:48
15:01:08
15:01:22
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I got.
Q.
credible?
A.
No.
Q.
All right.
10
correct?
11
A.
12
that, yes.
13
Q.
14
correct?
15
A.
16
Q.
17
despite hearing from you and others that Dennis Montgomery was
18
19
A.
It appears so.
20
Q.
21
22
investigation, correct?
15:01:53
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23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
25
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15:01:38
15:02:01
15:02:15
15:02:39
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Q.
Well, did you review them for the purpose of ensuring that
A.
Q.
Okay.
correct?
A.
Q.
And you were aware that state RICO funds were used to pay
10
11
A.
Yes.
12
Q.
13
14
correct?
15
A.
16
17
Q.
18
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
21
22
A.
15:03:11
15:03:22
DS
And you were familiar with the use of state RICO funds
15:03:35
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23
Q.
24
funds, correct?
25
A.
FR
15:02:48
No.
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A.
Q.
A.
That's correct.
Q.
10
A.
2075?
11
Q.
And that was because you felt that Dennis Montgomery was
15:04:26
12
13
14
A.
Yes.
15
Q.
All right.
16
document?
17
A.
Yes.
18
Q.
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
21
investigation, correct?
22
A.
24
FR
25
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15:04:57
15:05:05
Yes.
IEN
23
15:04:07
MS. WANG:
All right.
Exhibit 2775.
MR. MASTERSON:
15:05:14
THE COURT:
1
2
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Objection's overruled.
Exhibit 2775 is
admitted.
3
4
BY MS. WANG:
Q.
7
8
Anglin to you?
16th, 2014.
10
15:05:49
11
A.
I do.
12
Q.
And this was another request for travel approval for the
13
14
A.
15
Q.
16
A.
17
Q.
18
19
21
to that.
Objection, foundation.
15:06:15
Overruled.
It does look like one of our memos.
23
24
BY MS. WANG:
25
Q.
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15:05:59
THE WITNESS:
IEN
22
THE COURT:
DS
20
15:05:24
It
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5
Exhibit 2776.
15:06:39
MR. MASTERSON:
THE COURT:
a second on foundation.
Okay.
Give me
MS. WANG:
10
15:07:06
11
12
BY MS. WANG:
13
Q.
14
15
16
traveling, to pay for any costs that may arise, such as parking
17
fees."
18
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
21
22
A.
DS
19
15:07:23
IEN
Yes.
23
Q.
24
25
A.
FR
15:07:14
Yes.
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A.
Yes.
Q.
correct?
A.
Q.
All right.
opened?
15:07:51
10
A.
I don't.
11
Q.
15:08:00
All right.
12
13
14
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
17
18
connection with the case did come out of that travel budget?
19
A.
20
Q.
21
22
A.
DS
15:08:19
IEN
23
24
Q.
25
FR
15:08:32
Okay.
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I probably did.
"Question:
"Answer:
I don't know.
"Question:
10
11
12
funds is?
"Answer:
13
15
18
No."
DS
20
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
IEN
21
23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
25
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15:09:48
17
19
15:09:37
14
16
15:09:27
15:10:02
15:10:12
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Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
15:10:26
10
A.
11
Q.
12
13
A.
14
Q.
All right.
15
16
A.
I do.
17
Q.
All right.
18
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
21
22
DS
IEN
15:11:48
23
A.
Yes.
24
Q.
And she did not think that it was a good idea to make those
25
FR
15:10:43
15:11:58
15:12:19
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
outcome.
Q.
Okay.
A.
10
Q.
Okay.
11
12
13
14
MR. MASTERSON:
MS. WANG:
15
THE COURT:
with this.
Okay.
21
22
IEN
DS
20
23
FR
25
15:13:31
MS. WANG:
19
24
15:13:05
on the relevance?
17
18
15:12:29
16
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15:13:43
only.
MS. WANG:
15:13:59
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BY MS. WANG:
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Q.
10
A.
Yes.
11
Q.
Do you have any explanation for why that file was missing?
12
A.
I don't.
13
Q.
14
15:14:33
15
16
17
18
principal?
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
Okay.
21
DS
23
24
25
forward"?
FR
15:14:57
15:15:29
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22
15:14:09
"3-30-15.
Per
15:15:47
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Yes.
Q.
Was that a notation that you and Chief Deputy Sheridan were
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
All right.
MS. WANG:
9
10
evidence.
15:16:11
MR. MASTERSON:
11
THE COURT:
12
13
14
15
16
BY MS. WANG:
17
Q.
18
19
right?
20
A.
That's correct.
21
Q.
Okay.
DS
MS. WANG:
23
THE COURT:
24
MS. WANG:
25
THE COURT:
FR
15:16:29
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22
15:15:58
15:16:40
Thank you.
15:16:56
MS. WANG:
Okay.
THE COURT:
2
minutes.
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Take 15
Thank you.
(Recess taken.)
THE COURT:
Please be seated.
15:35:53
MS. WANG:
7
8
BY MS. WANG:
Q.
May I proceed?
10
which is in evidence.
11
12
13
up the recipients.
14
15
A.
Yes.
16
Q.
Okay.
17
correct?
18
A.
Yes.
19
Q.
20
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
And at that time the Human Smuggling Unit was under your
15:36:33
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DS
23
command, correct?
24
A.
Yes.
25
Q.
FR
15:36:11
15:36:47
15:36:59
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I do not.
Q.
A.
I don't.
Q.
A.
Q.
Okay.
10
12
13
personnel.
14
A.
15
Q.
Okay.
Captain Bailey?
21
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MS. WANG:
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Sorry.
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All right.
e-mail, correct?
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Yes.
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you were aware that many of these video recordings could become
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Yes.
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Yep.
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MR. WALKER:
THE COURT:
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No objection.
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No objection.
Exhibit 2050 is admitted.
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Exhibit 2050.
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commander, correct?
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Yes.
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All right.
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Yes.
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MR. MASTERSON:
THE COURT:
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Objection, foundation.
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MS. WANG:
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of Exhibit 2051.
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Yes, I do.
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of data.
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Yes.
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Sir, are you aware that in fact, HSU did have written
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I'm not.
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Now I am.
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Okay.
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All right.
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commander of PSB?
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Yes.
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Now I am.
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this memorandum on May 21st, 2014, her statement that SID did
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corner, if I was there during that time or not, but I think she
Q.
correct?
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Yes.
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devices, correct?
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memorandum, correct?
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Were you aware at the time you were commander of SID that
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Yes.
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correct?
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All right.
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Yes.
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15:43:42
I'm sorry?
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Yes.
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investigations, correct?
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Right.
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Probably, yes.
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All right.
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I do.
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correct?
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Yes.
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And the
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lieutenant in SID?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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A weekend.
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All right.
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No.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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15:47:36
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At that
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Fair enough.
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Yes.
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And in fact, you were aware that there would likely be many
warrant, correct?
A.
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Sustained.
BY MS. WANG:
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All right.
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15:48:50
Objection, foundation.
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Armendariz, correct?
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All right.
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Okay.
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Right.
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All right.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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be conducted with all the past and present HSU members, we are
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close of business."
15:50:34
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Yes.
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All right.
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Yes.
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No.
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correct?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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correct?
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Yes.
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Did you assume that no one higher than the lieutenant level
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15:51:20
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is that right?
A.
Yes.
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HSU at any time period while you were in the chain of command?
A.
That's correct.
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A.
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Yes.
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Well, there was the 542 case, correct, and the 543 case?
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Which were?
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Yes.
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All right.
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Yes.
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command?
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chain of command?
A.
Q.
Do you recall that while you were the commander of PSB, the
All right.
10
11
HSU?
12
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Yes.
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Yes.
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All right.
15:54:16
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Yes.
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Yes.
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inception, correct?
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Yes.
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correct?
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whatsoever.
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Yes.
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Academy?
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Yes.
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All right.
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Okay.
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Yes.
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All right.
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15:55:35
It
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No.
Q.
A.
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Okay.
A.
Yes.
Q.
All right.
MR. MASTERSON:
MR. WALKER:
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No objection.
No objection.
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MS. WANG:
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15:57:47
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All right.
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Exhibit 2757.
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Yes.
MS. WANG:
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All right.
MR. WALKER:
THE COURT:
No objection.
No objection.
15:58:23
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8
BY MS. WANG:
Q.
And sir, are you aware that while you were commander of
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Yes.
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14
correct?
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Yes.
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was very difficult to pin down exactly who had been assigned to
A.
Yes.
Q.
A.
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10
11
correct?
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Yes.
13
Q.
And did you ever resist any of those requests that you
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Okay.
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20- --
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930, 2930.
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Right.
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Yes.
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All right.
correct?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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generally, yes.
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DS
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Right.
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special procedures?
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Yes.
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correct?
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Yes.
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All right.
SID that the monitors had raised a concern about a way in which
correct?
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Yes.
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Team, correct?
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says:
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briefing, maybe Chris Dowell and I can meet with SID leadership
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Yes.
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All right.
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Sure.
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All right.
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I did.
Q.
A.
Yes.
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Okay.
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CCID, correct?
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Yes.
14
Q.
You said the order was clear and you were not going to jump
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I'm sorry.
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You stated that you did not want to jump through hoops in
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order, correct?
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All right.
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MS. WANG:
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Exhibit 2930?
THE COURT:
Any objection?
MR. MASTERSON:
MR. WALKER:
THE COURT:
No objection.
No objection.
CROSS-EXAMINATION
BY MR. MASTERSON:
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Good afternoon.
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at.
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Yes.
MR. MASTERSON:
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Yes.
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16:05:28
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Ms. Wang just asked you about jumping through hoops, and I
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to Ben Armer?
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we're complying.
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That we
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Lieutenant Armer?
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we will do that."
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No.
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exactly --
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Says:
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I don't understand
16:07:29
Objection.
BY MR. MASTERSON:
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Absolutely.
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MS. WANG:
THE COURT:
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Objection, leading.
Sustained.
BY MR. MASTERSON:
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Objection, leading.
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No.
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Okay.
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Yes, sir.
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believe this.
16:09:30
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Okay.
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I think I said:
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Understandable.
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That Sergeant Knapp had just brought what at the time was
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he had taken them out, and I was later told that he made a
18
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IDs back into the Property and Evidence division, and Shamley
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22
Initially, it was
DS
IEN
Okay.
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You
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teach.
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16:10:57
The reason I was going to ask you about whether they came
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that that directive had gone out and he was trying to bring
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Yes.
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Where's that?
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and Evidence.
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like you to tell us a little bit more how that process works.
A.
Okay.
I'd
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17
interviewed him.
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Okay.
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Now, do you recall whether it was the first day you became
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And I think you talked to Ms. Wang a little bit about there
A.
Yes.
Q.
All right.
A.
16:13:40
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be a thousand IDs.
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13
idea outside the memo he authored about where these came from
14
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for an interview.
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And I suggested we at
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this was going on, this ID situation with Sergeant Knapp was
10
going on?
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Q.
Yes, sir.
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Okay.
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16:15:29
MS. WANG:
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THE COURT:
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16:15:41
Objection, leading.
Sustained.
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Yes.
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No.
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Why not?
MS. WANG:
THE COURT:
Objection, leading.
I'll allow it.
BY MR. MASTERSON:
Q.
Why?
A.
16:16:12
We
10
appropriate.
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12
outline.
13
further detail?
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20
gathered?
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Did you learn any information about when the IDs had been
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23
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any idea how those IDs came into the possession of Property
A.
I have no idea.
Q.
various ways.
A.
Sure.
MS. WANG:
THE COURT:
Objection, foundation.
MR. MASTERSON:
10
Sure.
BY MR. MASTERSON:
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Yes, sir.
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I did.
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Yes.
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investigator.
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A.
Two years.
Q.
Okay.
Let's talk.
Patrol deputy.
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Yes, sir.
12
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13
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Many times.
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17
aggravated assault.
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involved.
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Q.
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16:19:19
DS
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Q.
Okay.
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Fraudulent.
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will be IDs sitting in there that you can't determine one way
3
4
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Many times.
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14
you'd confiscate the ID; or you could actually take them into
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16
Q.
Okay.
17
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18
Q.
All right.
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A.
16:20:22
DS
16:20:34
IEN
Yes.
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24
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Yes.
25
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During your experience with MCSO -- why don't you just give
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THE COURT:
Objection, foundation.
THE WITNESS:
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ID.
12
destruction pile?
16:21:20
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14
homicide.
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16:21:33
The ID made it to
DS
16:21:52
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Yes.
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25
together.
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houses.
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drop houses?
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hours.
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DS
16
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Okay.
16:22:37
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MCSO?
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Q.
Is there any evidence that any of the IDs, even one, was
seized by MCSO?
A.
Q.
Well --
A.
Q.
Evidence?
16:23:56
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It should, yes.
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15
property?
16
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18
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Yes.
19
Q.
So with respect to the 1459, can you say that even one of
20
them that you know -- and I'm not saying likelihood, maybe
21
22
anybody at MCSO?
16:24:12
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16:24:28
MS. WANG:
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Objection, foundation.
Join.
Sustained.
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BY MR. MASTERSON:
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A.
No.
Q.
All right.
pulled an IA, and you have a memo from Sergeant Knapp, correct?
A.
Yes.
Q.
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that correct?
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then.
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Yes, sir.
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correct?
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Yes.
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A memo from his supervisor saying, Okay, you can take the
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IDs.
16:25:25
Oh, okay.
He
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Not a memo.
16:25:43
So Sergeant Knapp
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Q.
is that correct?
A.
I believe in 2006.
Q.
Okay.
happened.
A.
Okay.
16:26:11
Here's what
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Okay.
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Q.
All right.
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you do now?
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week.
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Yes.
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Yes, sir.
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Q.
And then did you -- I think you told Ms. Wang that the
All right.
16:26:27
What do
16:26:47
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I think you told Ms. Wang that at some point you were --
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Yes.
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Okay.
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Q.
A.
Yes, sir.
Q.
How many meetings did you attend with Ms. Iafrate present?
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About --
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question.
MR. MASTERSON:
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20
20th.
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22
happened there?
16:27:47
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Okay.
July 17th.
16:28:05
What
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the time, we had been on a -- I'm going to use the word "stay,"
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I don't know what the legal terminology is, but for seven weeks
Q.
Did you know about the 1459 IDs during this meeting?
A.
Yes, I did.
Q.
Had there been other IDs that had come to your attention
This is the
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
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A.
Yes, sir.
16
Q.
All right.
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Yes.
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Yes.
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Yes, sir.
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Did both of you discuss the 1459 IDs with Ms. Iafrate?
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were under.
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Okay.
Yeah.
Okay.
Michele told
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order?
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Q.
Okay.
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monitors?
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All right.
Monday we got
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Yes, sir.
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All right.
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I replied no.
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Okay.
And
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A.
Yes, sir.
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Yes, sir.
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14
there?
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Chief Deputy Sheridan and told him we had gotten to the point
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Ms. Iafrate was out of town, and the chief deputy didn't want
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What happened
It was in IAPro.
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Okay.
16:31:30
Interview
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Yes, sir.
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identifications or IDs?
Q.
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"No."
Q.
A.
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11
Q.
12
issue, and I think you were talking about this meeting with the
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monitors:
14
did Ms. Iafrate give you advice in how to answer the question?
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Yes.
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on her computer.
22
Okay.
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advice?
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This happened in
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16:32:31
Michele
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Yes, sir.
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Objection, leading.
Sustained.
BY MR. MASTERSON:
Q.
phases.
IDs?
A.
First off, did you just tell me that the question was:
It was:
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
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A.
Yes.
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Q.
Why?
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tells me to proceed.
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Yes.
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Absolutely not.
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Objection, leading.
MR. KILLEBREW:
THE COURT:
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Join.
Sustained.
BY MR. MASTERSON:
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11
locked door.
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14
of other times.
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Q.
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I'm sorry?
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existence.
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22
Myself and the case agent were the only ones with
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All right.
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Yes, sir.
25
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All right.
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16:35:15
How
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was it that you got there and -- well, how did you get there?
detective?
A.
General Investigations.
Q.
homicide detective?
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bit ago -- but if you remember, what kind of training did you
18
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20
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And then
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24
General Investigations.
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Now, when you first become a deputy after you get out of
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Yes, sir.
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A.
Yes.
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get another experienced officer and you work with her or him as
it work?
A.
Did you
How does
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A.
Yes, sir.
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Q.
17
A.
No.
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20
talking dozens?
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A.
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Q.
Okay.
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You stay
16:38:09
16:38:22
Hundreds?
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do you do?
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scene, you establish the scene the best you can, and you start
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8
the medical examiner's office and stays with the body until an
Once that's
11
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death.
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Q.
15
A.
Yes, sir.
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17
A.
Yes.
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19
them in?
20
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Continuously.
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investigation?
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you have a higher rank, or did you have a higher rank and you
do that?
A.
Do
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unit.
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17
training.
18
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yes.
22
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Okay.
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Okay.
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THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
Yes, sir.
Thank you.
BY MR. MASTERSON:
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A.
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10
Maricopa County.
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12
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13
can't remember.
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Q.
15
16
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18
yes.
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Yeah.
22
16:41:51
Three years.
16:42:02
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Why?
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25
find people who are -- have either gone on warrant status and
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How so?
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particular job?
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Q.
Yes.
16:42:51
The FBI paid for our training and our equipment and
Yes, we went through some
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13
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15
Q.
16
17
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Yes.
18
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20
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Is this
I don't know.
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case files about like this from the supervisor at the FBI with
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Sure.
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Had they been brought into the Maricopa County Jail over the
weekend?
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10
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12
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13
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On occasion, yes.
14
Q.
Now --
MS. WANG:
15
16
THE COURT:
19
this?
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22
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24
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25
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experience is.
THE COURT:
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A.
Yes.
Q.
citizen who maybe was not involved in any crimes, and then you
involved in crimes.
both occur?
A.
Yeah.
MS. WANG:
THE COURT:
10
11
BY MR. MASTERSON:
12
Q.
13
conduct while you were on the FBI task force hunting fugitives.
14
A.
15
employers, friends.
16
17
18
19
20
Q.
21
22
private citizens?
16:45:32
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A.
Yes.
24
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25
investigative leads?
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No.
Q.
Why not?
A.
they're comfortable with and how they think the person will
respond.
10
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12
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13
interviewing someone?
14
A.
On occasion.
THE COURT:
MR. MASTERSON:
THE COURT:
19
Sure.
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16:47:29
Um-hum.
23
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25
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have expert testimony yet in this case, and I'm not taking any
3
4
THE COURT:
You're right.
I got it.
All right.
MR. MASTERSON:
Okay.
16:47:56
Thanks.
9
10
BY MR. MASTERSON:
11
Q.
12
13
A.
Yes.
14
Q.
15
A.
16
different.
17
Q.
18
19
A.
20
Q.
21
A.
I was a detective.
22
Q.
Okay.
IEN
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All right.
16:49:02
23
though.
24
A.
It's a title.
25
Q.
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A.
Q.
A.
No.
Q.
Oh, okay.
All right.
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11
ball of wax?
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13
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17
time?
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Q.
Okay.
20
21
22
A.
Okay.
16:49:38
I might be
16:49:56
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position.
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A lot of work?
A.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
Interview inmates?
A.
Quite often.
Q.
A.
Q.
10
A.
Yes.
11
Q.
12
13
A.
14
Q.
15
16
jail crimes?
17
A.
I have no idea.
18
Q.
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20
A.
21
22
Q.
16:50:36
16:50:43
Hundreds?
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16:51:09
23
A.
Yes.
24
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25
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Do you
Okay.
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Still a deputy?
A.
Yes.
Q.
Okay.
A.
same.
Q.
Okay.
A.
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A.
12
13
Q.
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A.
15
16
Q.
Okay.
17
A.
18
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20
Q.
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
First off, what was the year you -- you started at this
16:51:47
What --
DS
IEN
16:51:59
23
assignment?
24
A.
'03, '04ish.
25
Q.
Okay.
FR
16:51:35
16:52:15
Approximately.
'03, I don't remember.
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idea of how many threat cases you would investigate, say, the
A.
Forty or fifty.
Q.
Okay.
read about some of the threats against the sheriff, and I think
MS. WANG:
11
THE COURT:
12
Objection, relevance.
16:53:04
15
then.
THE COURT:
17
MR. MASTERSON:
18
Thank you.
20
BY MR. MASTERSON:
21
Q.
22
A.
Special Investigations.
16:53:18
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interesting.
Okay.
16:53:14
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23
Q.
24
25
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16
Objection.
MR. KILLEBREW:
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Houses
We have a
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11
resources.
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Q.
13
A.
14
to sergeant.
15
years.
16
17
Q.
18
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
And how many years had you been with MCSO when you got the
21
sergeant promotion?
22
A.
16:54:07
16:54:31
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All right.
16:54:45
IEN
Nine.
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Q.
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25
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Two or three.
Q.
occurred at SID.
A.
Yes.
Q.
supervisor, correct?
A.
Correct.
Q.
All right.
with SID?
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A.
11
12
13
14
nature.
15
Q.
16
A.
Yes.
17
Q.
All right.
18
19
A.
20
21
22
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relationships.
Q.
A.
Yes.
Q.
How many?
A.
Q.
A.
16:56:18
Q.
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A.
Yes.
12
Q.
13
14
A.
As a sergeant or a lieutenant?
15
Q.
Lieutenant.
16
A.
17
18
19
20
21
Q.
22
HIDTA task force is, but can you just -- first off, what's
DS
10
IEN
Okay.
16:56:41
Then I had
16:56:58
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HIDTA?
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25
Q.
Okay.
FR
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eradication.
investigations.
Q.
All right.
A.
Seven years.
Q.
Okay.
10
A.
11
Q.
Okay.
12
A.
13
Q.
Okay.
14
captain at SID?
15
A.
16
17
18
Q.
19
A.
Yes.
20
Q.
21
A.
Yes.
22
Q.
24
Virginia.
25
Q.
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A.
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Yes, sir.
Q.
A.
Q.
Really?
A.
Yes, sir.
Q.
A.
I don't know.
Q.
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A.
11
like college.
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13
14
college.
15
Q.
16
A.
Ten, 12 weeks.
17
half months.
18
Q.
19
A.
Yes, sir.
20
Q.
And then you came back here and you're still a captain in
21
SID.
22
A.
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16:59:40
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Yes.
Q.
24
A.
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Much like
16:59:32
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25
16:59:12
MR. MASTERSON:
Okay.
16:59:52
2
3
THE WITNESS:
THE COURT:
Thank you.
17:00:05
MR. MASTERSON:
THE COURT:
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10
Fine.
Captain Bailey.
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that you're going to call, Ms. Wang, and will they be ready?
MS. WANG:
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12
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14
HSU master logs and the CEU spreadsheet that was produced
15
yesterday.
16
2854, 2855, are the HSU master logs we've been asking about for
17
some time now, and the new exhibit number for the CEU
18
Exhibits 2853,
17:00:36
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Exhibits 2851 and 2852, which are the two sets of raw CAD data
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3
MS. WANG:
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MR. MASTERSON:
THE COURT:
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All right.
you go home tonight, and see if you can stipulate and -MR. MASTERSON:
I will.
10
now, and I don't know, because I haven't seen them, but raw CAD
11
data?
12
13
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17
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dispatch log in MCSO for some period of time, I'm going to have
19
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MS. WANG:
Okay.
17:02:18
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THE COURT:
DS
20
They were
23
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now.
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17:01:48
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THE COURT:
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Absolutely.
Thank you.
10
the day?
MS. WANG:
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MS. WANG:
17
THE COURT:
Oh.
THE COURT:
23
MS. WANG:
Okay, yeah.
-- that he may not be available early next
24
week.
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sorry --
IEN
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MS. WANG:
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morning --
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was three hours, and we don't anticipate taking more than that;
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4
Mr. Zullo, all together rather than having us, those of us who
10
11
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13
all.
14
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MR. MASTERSON:
20
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19
17:04:47
IEN
But I
23
24
having him here, and certainly if we don't see him being here
25
next week, then we're going to have to figure out a way around
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this.
THE COURT:
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whoever else it was from MCSO IT, is that going to be the end
THE COURT:
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THE COURT:
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Lieutenant Skinner.
next week?
MS. WANG:
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MR. YOUNG:
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is Mr. Zullo.
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the review.
THE COURT:
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4
pretty immediate.
that.
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THE COURT:
MR. YOUNG:
14
All right.
16
17
to, but I have done a little research, and I don't think that
18
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But the
23
24
materials.
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My inclination is
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