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Sathya Sai Satsang

A Divine & Historic Spiritual Satsang in Fiji

25th to 28th September, 2015

Divine Discourses
By Bhagawan Sri Sathya Sai Baba
In the Subtle Body

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Contents
Introduction 4
Public Satsang at Kshatriya Hall, Suva
Saturday, 26th September, 2015
Speech by Sri Sumeet Tappoo

Speech by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

Speech by Sri C. Sreenivas

Speech by Sri B.N. Narasimha Murthy

Divine Discourse by Bhagawan Baba

Q & A Session with Bhagawan Baba

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Public Satsang at Nanuku, Pacific Harbour

Sunday, 27th September, 2015
Speech by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

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Speech by Sri C. Sreenivas

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Speech by Sri B.N. Narasimha Murthy

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Divine Discourse by Bhagawan Baba

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Q & A Session with Bhagawan Baba

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Introduction

Sathya Sai Satsang - A Divine and Historical Spiritual Satsang in Fiji

25th to 27th September, 2015
The well-known Tappoo family, which
migrated to Fiji 100 years ago and had met
Swami in 60s, hosted the Lords maiden visit
to Fiji. I will come to Fiji, Swami had told
them and now, He fulfilled His promise.
Bhagawan and His entourage arrived on 25th
September, 2015 and departed on the 27th.
On Saturday, 26th September, a public satsang
was held in Suva, Fiji. 500+ people attended
the evening programme. After bhajans, Sri
Sumeet Tappoo, Mr. Isaac Tigrett, Sri C.
Sreenivas and Sri B.N. Narasimha Murthy
spoke. Swami then granted His divine
discourse and a Q&A session. Prasadam was
distributed to all, followed by dinner.
On Sunday, 27th September, a satsang was
held in Pacific Harbour, an hours drive
from Suva. Bhagawan was welcomed in the
traditional Fijian style, normally performed
to honour Chieftans. After songs by the
church choir, talks were given by Mr. Tigrett,
Sri C. Sreenivas and Sri Narasimha Murthy.
Sri Sumeet Tappoo then offered to Bhagawan,
on behalf of all the youth in Fiji - a mobile
medical van, which will serve the villages
of Fiji. Beginning with dentristry, other
facets like dermatology and ophthalmology
will also be added. This mobile van, called
Health on Wheels will go to the remotest
areas and treat all, especially the children.
Finally, Swami gave His divine discourse, in
which He declared that soon there will be an
ashram in Fiji, and it will grow into a multifaith spiritual centre. Everyone was overjoyed
with this announcement! The programme
concluded with divine melodies rendered by
Sri Sumeet and Sri V. Kumar.
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Excerpts of Speech by Sri Sumeet Tappoo

Public Satsang at Kshatriya Hall, Suva
26th September, 2015

In 1999, I had a dream where Swami took me

to a place surrounded by hills. He said, This
place is 100 kms from Puttaparthi. I will build
an ashram here and from here, the mission of
Sai will accelerate and I will usher humanity
into the Golden Age! He then said, This is a
sacred place because 20,000 years ago, Lord
Rama fought the demon Tataka and her two
sons Maricha and Subahu. He went on to
say that the area around the hills was Sage
Vishwamitras ashram where Lord Rama and
Lakshmana came as young boys. He again
passed by this area when He was in Vanavas,

along with Mother Sita and Lakshmana.

When I went to the Ashram in Muddenahalli,
lo and behold, I realised it was the same
place Swami showed me in a dream 16
years ago! Muddenahalli is the ashram from
which Bhagawan Baba has chosen to guide
humanity.
The importance of what you learn and
observe in these few days will define your
life, your presence and your journey on this
earth.
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Excerpts of Speech
by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

Public Satsang at Kshatriya Hall, Suva

26th September, 2015
Who would believe that a boy from
Memphis Tennessee would discover,
thousands of miles away in ancient
India, a living Christ! He called me
there when I was 24 years old and I
recognised Him the second I saw Him.
But He didnt talk to me for 17 years!
This was the most wonderful period of
my evolution because what I discovered
(after my ego got crushed by a couple of
visits) was the formless nature of God!
I read about all the Masters, and in
everything in metaphysics, mysticism
and everything that you can imagine,
until I discovered and realised - through
faith, not through the mind - that God
exists in a formless nature, that He is
Omniscient and Omnipresent. He had
to appear to me 4 times in the flesh to
save my life! He brought me back from
death, He saved me from a car crash,
He actually visited me in my office and
told me where my partner was keeping
the money he had stolen from me!
No one can tell you what to believe, and
no one can tell you what not to believe.
But I can tell you this, which he taught
me. I believe in Love. I believe in serving
other people. I believe that the only
way that I can possibly conceive; this
is written in the Vedas and everywhere
actually; of myself as a divine being and
to raise my consciousness and the only
way you could do that is with selfless
love and selfless service to others.
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Excerpts of Speech
by Sri C. Sreenivas

Public Satsang at Kshatriya Hall, Suva

26th September, 2015
For much of our lives, we have been educated
and endoctorined in a temper of life which
goes by seeing is believing. Nothing could
be further than the truth.
Some years ago, there was a worldwide
enrolment of young men and women to
climb Mount Everest. A gentleman aged 29
years gave his name. To his surprise he was
enrolled. To everybody elses surprise he
undertook the climb and put his foot on the
peak of Mt Everest. The only difference was,
he was stark blind! He could not see the next
step that he could put ever thus far in his life.
Total blindness, total inability to see! Total
non-knowingness of where he was at any
given point of time. It took him to the highest
point on planet earth.
It was then that he said, and I think that much
of human of achievement, much of human
progress and primarily all of human growth
comes from his word, Yes, seeing could be
believing, but more importantly than this,
believing is truly seeing!
Every moment of our existence is truly a
testimony of our believing. It could be first
believing in ourselves; believing into what
we are taught; believing what we are made
to understand as to what comprises us; as to
who we are; as to what our potential is; what
our possibilities are - and from that comes
the growth of every little child right from
the mothers womb because the mother first
believes that the child will be born to good
health; that the child will be born to the
beauty of this world; to the beauty of human
existence and possibly to the mergence with
God. As is the journey is from the womb to
the tomb. It is a journey truly of belief! And
much of our lives are led that way.
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Excerpts of Speech by Sri B.N. Narasimha Murthy

Public Satsang at Kshatriya Hall, Suva
26th September, 2015

something for the helpless children there?

A hapless father in Nigeria had a 14-year-old

son with a heart problem. There there was
no facility to perform surgery on his son. By
Bhagawans will, he came to Raipur, where
Swami has established a super speciality
hospital after He left the physical body,
which is giving free cardiac treatment to
children. His son was operated upon there
and survived. He got back the gift of life
from God Himself! The father went into
Bhagawans temple and prayed with tears in
his eyes. Baba, I could afford to bring my son
from Nigeria, but there are many poor people
in my country who cannot. Can You not do

On 13th July, we were in Nigeria where

Bhagawan Baba inaugurated a church built
by Father Charles Ogada where Jude Nam,
the father, was seated. Baba said that not only
the children of India, children everywhere
belong to Him! All are His children! Some
are grown up children. Some are tender
children. Then Swami declared, In answer
to the prayer of this gentleman sitting in the
audience, I would like to tell you, I have heard
his prayers. I am going to start a hospital for
carrying out heart surgeries in Nigeria.
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Divine Discourse by Bhagawan Baba

Public Satsang at Kshatriya Hall, Suva
26th September, 2015

go to America, there is a different set of rules

governing traffic, so that is what they follow
whilst driving there. In one country, they
drive on left and in another country they
drive on the right. An Indian, when he goes
to America, has to follow the traffic laws of
America. Similarly, if an American comes to
India, he has to follow the Indian traffic rules.
If an Indian went to America and thought he
could drive the way he wants, an accident
would be unavoidable and he would never
reach his destination. Therefore, depending
on where you are, you must follow the
limitations of space, time and causation.

God has no birth, no death, no beginning, no

end, nothing in between, which you know as life.
Neither born, nor dying, He pervades the whole
universe as a resident in the hearts of every one
of you as Atma. (Telugu poem)
Embodiments of Divine Love! Devotees,
men, women and children! God, who is
formless and who has no name or a shape,
often comes as a human being, as a Divine
Incarnation or Avatar. Though He is timeless,
immortal, birthless and deathless, when He
comes down as a human being, He becomes
subject to the limitations of space, time and
causation.

In this material world, everything is transient.

While in this world, you must follow its rules
and regulations. The body that you are living
in today is temporary. One day or another, you

Here is a small example: In India, when

people drive their vehicles, they follow certain
rules which are in force in India. When they
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have to lose it. You may take care of yourself

with all kinds of medicine or surgery but,
ultimately, the body will have to go. You live
for a period of time and then have to leave
the body and depart.

according to His times. It is now His decision,

His will, that the Kali Yuga should end and a
new age should start. For that to be unveiled,
He will descend as Prema Sai Baba.
Many people all over the world are waiting for
the Golden Age, and it will come. The Golden
Age will not start at a particular moment in
time. When your hearts turn golden, the age
will turn golden. As is your vision, so will
be the Creation. When all people live with
noble sentiment and very meritorious, godly
feelings, their lives will turn golden and the
age also will turn golden.

Similarly, when the omnipotent God comes

down as a human being, He has to follow
the rules that govern human life even if
He is God. He must follow the limitations
of space, time and causation. After finishing
His mission, He has to leave the body and
go, whether Rama or Krishna, Jesus or the
Buddha. When they incarnated, they lived in
this world with the rules which govern it and,
finally, their bodies disintegrated. They lost
their bodies, but not their Divine Principle.

In every age, there will be both positive and

negative aspects. When Rama was born,
Ravana was also there. When Krishna came,
Kamsa was there. Even in this age, there are
both positive and negative aspects. Only
when the negative aspect goes on diminishing
and the positive aspect goes on increasing,
will the Golden Age come. Positive means
selfless feelings and negative means selfish
feelings. When selfish feelings diminish and
selfless feelings increase, then the Golden
Age will come.

Even today, devotees build temples for

Rama, adore Him, serve Him and worship
Him. They do it because they have faith that
Rama is still there - that is why they build
temples and worship him. You believe that
the phenomenon of Rama, which existed
many thousands of years ago, still continues
because He is God and, therefore, you worship
Him. Even the master of the Bhagavad Gita,
Sri Krishna, finally lost His life, shot by a
hunters arrow. Can it be true that Krishna such a glorious incarnation of God - lost His
body because He was shot by an arrow? Yes,
because for one reason or another, the body
has to go.

How can you develop selfless feelings? When

you follow the heart, you develop selfless
feelings. When you follow the mind, selfish
feelings will develop. The mind always thinks
selfishly of I and mine, it never thinks
selflessly. As long as mind rules over men,
the Kali Yuga will continue. When men and
women start following Hrudaya Dharma
the voice of the heart then the Golden Age
will begin. If you all aspire to see a Golden
Age, you must lead divine and peaceful lives.

When you come into this world in the

body, one day or another you have to lose it.
Whatever the level of incarnation, it is still a
human body, made up of five elements. When
Rama came, the Tretha Yuga started and
Kritha Yuga ended. And when Krishna came,
the Tretha Yuga ended and the Dwapara Yuga
started. Krishna came in the Dwapara Yuga,
but when His life on earth ended, Dwapara
Yuga ended and the Kali Yuga began.

The first thing that has to happen is

transformation of your own heart. When
your heart becomes transformed, the
world will also change. When you make a
sacrifice, others will also be inspired to do
so. However, what people are doing today is
letting somebody else make the sacrifices,

It is the same God who descended as Sai

Baba, lived like a human being and taught
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grow. When Rama was on earth, only a very

few a small number of sages knew that He
was God, but, today you find Rama temples
everywhere.

leaving others to act with love, and shower

compassion rather than themselves doing so.
If somebody else eats, will your stomach be
filled? If they sleep well, will you derive any
rest? Not at all. You have to do everything
yourself, not through others. You must fill
your heart with selfless and noble feelings,
then your vision will change accordingly
and the world will also change. Only when
My devotees purify their hearts and make
them sacred, will My vision and mission be
complete. Until then, I will continue to come
to inspire people so that the Golden Age can
be ushered in. First, make your heart golden,
then the Golden Age will begin.

When Krishna was on Earth, very few people

knew that He was God and worshipped
Him. Even after He left the world, many
great things happened in His name. Today,
there are many temples dedicated to Krishna
where worship takes place.
When Jesus Christ came, even the first twelve
disciples did not have complete faith. After
He left the body, He returned to inspire His
disciples and followers and many great things
are happening today around the world. Jesus
Christ was not born in Fiji but, today, you find
many churches in Fiji. Though Rama was not
born here, many Rama temples are also seen.
This morning, when I visited the Tappoos
office, there was a statue of the Buddha. The
Buddha was never born in Fiji, never came to
Fiji, never taught in Fiji.

Where there is rain, plants and trees grow

and, wherever there are trees, clouds will
come. Where clouds gather, there will be rain
thus, there is an inseparable relationship
between the rain and the trees. Wherever
there are devotees with purity of heart,
God will manifest Himself. Wherever God
manifests, the number of devotees will also
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Similarly, Sai Baba was born in India, but

His glory is being spread and many great
things are happening in His name, all over
the world. In times to come, you are going to
see the glory of Sai spreading. My devotees
will establish many ashrams and build
temples and establish centres. When Shirdi
Sai Baba came, His work was confined to the
state of Maharashtra. When Sathya Sai Baba
came, He went all around India to spread His
teachings. When Prema Sai Baba comes, He
will travel all over the world, propagating His
teachings everywhere.

love and share it. The people of Fiji have

very pure and simple thoughts; they are very
simple people. They are not greedy. They lead
their lives in happiness and contentment.
For many, it is not possible to come to India. I
came here for their sake they could go there,
so I needed to come here and bless them. As
long as I was in the body, it was not possible
for Me to go around the world. Many people
from many countries came to Puttaparthi and
awaited My darshan. If, on any day, I was not
in Puttaparthi, the thousands of people who
came for darshan were disappointed. Even
when the body became very weak, I made
the great effort to grant darshan to the people
who had gathered there.

See to it that the whole world is flooded

with spiritual feelings. If you want to see
the Prema Sai Avatar and experience that
joy, it is necessary to develop the merit and
qualifications. Without good students, a good
teacher cannot achieve anything. If good
students do their homework properly and
attend the classes, they will easily be able
to follow the lessons given by the teacher.
However good a teacher may be, if the
students are lazy, nothing will happen. If you
want to see and derive delight from the Prema
Sai Avatar, you must make the effort, fill your
heart with pure feelings and be ready.

Everything I did was for the sake of My

devotees, not for Myself. Even if I was absent
from Puttaparthi for one day, the devotees
would be disappointed. For their sake, I could
not move out of Puttaparthi. Today, I do not
have a physical body and there is no external
sight or darshan you have to develop inner
vision. That is why now, wherever I go, I am
not subject to any difficulty neither is there
is any difficulty for the devotees.

There are only two things which are very

important in the 18 Puranas of Vyasa: One is
punya, or merit helping others; the other
is papa, or sin harming others. There is no
need to study any other scripture or tradition.
If you learn just these two things, you can find
fulfilment in your lives. If you love everybody
and serve everybody, that is punya. If you hurt
anybody, that is papa.

Whether you are in Puttaparthi or anywhere

else, if you want to My darshan, you have to
see Me in your own hearts. I made promises
to people of many countries in order to keep
those promises, I am now travelling around
the world and blessing them, and this will
continue for a few more years. It is My desire
that you all sanctify your bodies and purify
your hearts, so that you all can enjoy the next
incarnation.

The whole world is nothing but reflection,

reaction and resound. If you share your
love, you will receive love. If you serve
everybody, everybody will serve you your
own expression of love will be reflected. With
love, Sreenivas said that I am going to help
the children of Fiji. Your hearts, too, must be
filled with love. Together, you have to develop

It is very easy! Do not follow the selfish

mind, follow the heart. It is only from the
heart that selfless feelings emerge; selfish
thoughts come from the mind. Human life is
very holy and special - out of the 84 lakhs of
living species, human life is the most noble.
However, a life without spirituality is no life
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at all. Food, sleep, fear and procreation are

common to both mankind and animals. One
without dharma in his life is at the level of an
animal.

of thoughts; somebody is saying one thing,

somebody else is saying another. It is like the
blind leading the blind. First, experience for
yourself and derive joy. Nobody can eat for
you, nobody can sleep for you, nobody can
breathe for you. The darshan of God or grace
of God you also have to attain yourself. Do
not do service activities thinking that you
are doing it for somebody else know that
you are doing it for your own good. Through
service, you should get rid of ego and attain
bliss. Some people do a little service, write a
long report, send it here and there and keep
on talking about it. They do less and talk
more. That kind of service is no service at all.
Dont talk work! You have to do, not simply
talk. I constantly see people serve for ten
minutes and talk about it for twenty minutes!

What is dharma? It is not different religions

like Hinduism or Christianity. Hrudaya
Dharma the duty of the heart is the true
dharma. What does your heart tell you? The
heart always tells you, Love all, Serve all.
You have to closely follow that dharma. If
you want to cross over the ocean of samsara,
the only way is by service, not by pilgrimage,
study of scriptures, penance or meditation.
You may do all those there is nothing wrong
in them but it is not correct to think that
you will attain Divinity through them alone.
Ultimately, if you do not develop selfless
love, everything else that you do is useless.
Even when people approach God, they do so
with many desires for relief from suffering,
greater wealth, more and more position and
authority or even for wisdom. They are not
doing it out of devotion. They are doing out
because of their desires. Those devotees who
come with desires are no devotees at all.

What they give in charity is one hundred

rupees and what they get back as a garland
is one thousand rupees. I dont like that
kind of service. You are not serving anybody
else; you are doing it for yourself. When the
hand puts a morsel of food in the mouth,
you do not think that your hand is helping
somebody else. The mouth chews the food
and sends it to the stomach. It doesnt mean
the mouth is serving somebody else. Hands,
mouth, stomach, limbs and organs are all
part of the same body. When everybody is
happy, you can be happy, too. Seeing God in
everyone is the demonstration of this truth.
When everybody is happy, God is also happy.
If you truly want to attain bliss, selfless love is
very important. If devotees want to give any
service to God, the first thing they have to do
is develop selfless love.

When you pray for everybody in every world

to be happy, are you not one of them? If
you pray for everybody, you will definitely
be happy, because you are amongst them.
Therefore, you should all pray, giving up the
narrow thinking of I and mine and of your
own family; you should pray for the welfare
of everybody.
From morning until night, a fish will live
in the waters of the Ganges, but it will
never achieve salvation. A parrot may keep
chanting the name of Rama, but it is not
going to find salvation. Whatever service you
do, without love, without understanding the
inner meaning of love, it is all useless. Only
when you take up service with selfless love,
will you make progress.

As you have some time today, if you have any

doubts or questions, you can ask Me and I will
answer them. It will be of no use if, instead
of asking your questions, you go somewhere
else later on and ask somebody else. It is like
the blind leading the blind. Where will they
go? They will all go and fall into a pit together.

Many people fill their minds with all kinds

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Q & A Session with Bhagawan Baba

Public Satsang at Kshatriya Hall, Suva

26th September, 2015

Question 1: Swami, could You please enlighten

us as to why there is so much animosity and
opposition towards Your Subtle Form?

Sometimes, when you are going along in the

dark, without a light, you may see a rope and
think it is a snake; because you think it is a
snake, you become afraid and you try to kill
it. What will you kill? The snake is not even
there in the first place. It is the darkness
which makes you afraid that there is a snake.
However, if you use a torch and see it in the
correct light, you will know that it is not a
snake, but only a rope, and your fear will
disappear.

Swami: When anything unique or different

happens in the world, it evokes both kinds of
responses, positive as well as negative. When
Jesus Christ lived, He preached good things,
but people whose self-interest was not being
served, punished Him. Even after having
been crucified and returning, being seen by
many of his disciples, when the disciples had
the courage to spread his message of love and
peace, every one of them was crucified. Today,
if you go to Rome, you will see statues of all
the disciples on top of the churches and they
are revered. Whenever there is something
unique, something different, there will
always be an action and a reaction.

In the same way, unless and until one lights

the flame of love and sees everything in the
light of pure love, which emanates from the
heart, one will not see things in the right
perspective. Unless you have developed pure,
selfless love, how can you see unity in things?
The one who is inebriated with the wine
of ego and attachment, will always see two
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instead of one. Until the effect has diminished

and he is no longer drunk, he will not be able
to see the truth correctly.

the dog is barking, you think it is going to

bite you and you really do go and hurt the
dog. It is only the reflection of the dogs fear
in your heart and the reflection of your fear
in the dogs heart. The truth is, the dog was
not intending to bite the man, nor the man to
hurt the dog it is all imagination.

It is your own self-interest, your own

selfishness that makes you see differences
where there is only one but once you
light the lamp of love and see things in the
correct light of that love, then you will see
that everything is one. You will know that it
is only a rope, not a snake and that there is
no need to be afraid and develop any kind of
hatred or animosity.

As long as you are prey to your imagination

and do not have the courage to go and find
out the truth for yourselves, you will go on
living in darkness and fear, imagining all
kinds of things. The one who lights the lamp
of love wherever he goes, sees everything in
the light of love and learns the truth.

Unfortunately, even though they all have

torches in their hands, just because they
have somehow come to believe that there is
a snake, they do not even want to approach,
switch on the torch and see things for
themselves. They want to continue believing
that it is a snake and go on telling others, too,
that it is a snake but soon the night will be
over and it will be dawn. Then, whether you
say anything or not, people will be able to see
for themselves what is right. Even if you tell
them it is a snake, in the bright daylight they
will be able to see that it is not a snake, only
a rope, and all their fears, all their hatred, all
the divisions and differences, will disappear
when the dawn comes.

The light of love cannot be lit in the mind. The

mind is like a bundle of wet sticks; however
much you try, you cannot make it catch fire.
People have been soaked in the water of
worldliness, soaked in the water of desires,
soaked in the water of ego and selfishness.
They are never able to generate the light of
that flame. The heart is full of love, and love
is like the oil that is needed to light a lamp.
Thus, mind and heart cannot mix; mind is
water, heart is oil and oil and water cannot
mix.
Follow the heart. See things in the light
of love and you will see that there is no
difference. Why even talk about it? So many
wars have happened in the name of religion,
so many in the name of God, from time
immemorial. What was the reason for it all?
It was only because people just followed the
mind. If they truly followed their hearts, they
would see the same God in everyone - that is
spirituality.

You can either wait for the dawn to come

and, until then, live in the fear of darkness or have the courage to light the lamp of love
and go and see for yourself what the truth is.
It is up to you. I experience no differences;
I experience no animosity; I experience
no hatred. For Me, because I love, I only
experience love. Everything is just reflection,
reaction and resound.

I did not come here to start a new religion

or promote or propagate a new religion. I
only came to teach you spirituality and
spirituality has no religion but all religions
are inside the spirit. All rivers flow into the
same ocean. In the same way, you must find
the truth within for yourself. Only if you

When you are walking on the road and there

is a dog at the roadside, the dog thinks that
you are going to hurt it, so it starts barking.
Though you have no intentions of hurting the
dog, because the dog has imagined that you
will hurt it, it starts barking. Next, because
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have the courage to know the truth will you

be relieved of unnecessary imaginary fear.
Standing in the dark and imagining a rope to
be a snake and becoming afraid, developing
all kinds of negative feelings, is foolishness.
Have the courage to come forward, turn on
the light, see things in the right perspective.
Know the truth and be free of all the fear.
Question 2: Theres still a lot of confusion
amongst Your devotees, Swami, about why
You left Your physical form earlier than
indicated and now Youre continuing the
mission in Your light body. There have been
many interpretations about that in the past
and even some today. Once and for all, can You
please remove this dilemma and enlighten us
on why this happened?
Swami: Do you have a car? A car can only
drive so far; a car can only last so long. If
you overuse it, what will happen to it? The
car that was supposed to serve for ten years
will only serve for five years and then you 16

My devotees came and prayed to Me all the

time to help them, to heal them, to cure them
and to save them. This world, as I said, is
bound by certain rules action and reaction,
karma (action) and karmaphala (the fruit of
action, or reaction). Whatever action you
perform, you must experience its reaction. If
you do not experience it , I have to experience
the reaction. Therefore, My body took upon
itself a lot of karma. All the great sages, saints
and Avatars have suffered for the sake of
others and the body deteriorated faster than
intended. When the car becomes old and
wont move anymore, yet you still have a long
distance to go; what would you do? Would
you be attached to the same old broken car
and continue sitting in it, saying that because
it is my dear car, I will not leave it? Or would
you get out, take another car and reach your
destination?
For Me, the destination is more important
than the vehicle that I use. A body is like a car;
at some point of time, one has to give it up. An
overused car will have a shorter life and that

I continue to inspire them. In fact, I do it in a

far better way, for I have made those activities
independent of all physical limitations. Now,
they have no choice but to seek Me within.
They must evolve spiritually now, in order to
find Me within themselves and that is when
the real transformation will begin. Most of
them knew that they could just take a ticket,
go all the way to Puttaparthi, have My darshan,
be satisfied and then get back to their old
ways. Whenever they are again restless, take
another ticket, go to Puttaparthi, see Me and
come back.

physically but they found Me in their heart

miles away in this little country. That is real
darshan and now it is mandatory for devotees
to look for Me within.
If I had continued in that difficult phase,
with the body suffering, what joy could I
have given to either Myself or to others? My
devotees would only have felt bad, that I was
suffering so much. However, now they are
full of courage and joy, for they know that I
am far healthier, far happier and able to do
My work much faster, for I have a faster car
than before one which has no speed limit!

All of this is temporary pain relief. It only

lasts so long. If you want a permanent cure
for your disease, find Me within. How will
you find Me within? I am nothing but love.
Love is My form, truth is My breath, bliss is
My food so, My true form is love. If you feel
that love within, you will feel Me everywhere,
at every moment. It is time for My devotees
to rise up from where they are, to this new
phase of My mission, truly living My message
and not just talking and hearing about it.

It took sixty years for Me to build the first

super specialty hospital. It took Me ten more
years to build the second one. Yet, it just took
one year to build the third one.
I cannot resist the temptation to tell you that
I have already discussed with devotees that
there will be a Sai Baba Ashram very close
to this city; not too close, not too far. There
will be education, healthcare and projects of
community service. The next ten years will be
absolutely transformational for this country
and for the people of this country.

It would not have been better to make it

compulsory for them to evolve. What would
it have achieved? I have said the same things
over and over, year after year; I have not said
anything new. I have done the same thing
over and over, for years; I have not done
anything new. Any amount of My darshan
is not going to redeem you. If you see Me
once, twice, three times, ten times, it makes
no difference if there is no transformation
happening within.

Question 3: Do You have a special message

for the Sai Youth of Fiji?
Swami: All My messages are special Love
all, Serve all. Young people, when you
have your hands, head and heart all three
faculties intact, you should be able to
do much more. In old age, your hands and
legs will become weak. You will not be able
to serve everybody and others will have to
come and serve you. Before you reach such
a helpless age, use all your faculties to serve
others. Your intelligence is sharp; your hands
are strong; your heart is pure. Use all three to
serve humanity.

The mosquitoes in My room, the cockroaches,

the lizards even if they stay with Me around
the clock, they are not going to attain anything.
Similarly, it is not the number of years
that I was available to you, or the number
of darshans you had, that was important.
What you gained from that darshan is more
important. I know that, in this very hall, there
are devotees who had never come to see Me

Rest assured that nothing can harm you and

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Question 4: Bhagawan, You talked about

the different Avatars of God: Rama, Krishna,
Sathya Sai Baba, Shirdi Sai Baba and many
more. I was just curious as to why God hasnt
come down in the form of a woman? You
have said, At the physical level, you see the
difference as woman and men. At Gods level,
it does not make any difference.

that what you need will come to you that is

My assurance. If you do My work, I will do
your work. You may not do My work well, but
I will definitely do your work much better
than you could. Be assured, be courageous,
be confident. Serve others, be selfless, be an
example to others. You have been granted to
be near Me you are the fortunate ones. To
you, much has been given; therefore much
is expected. Now, I will be known through
all of you. When people ask, Where is Sai
Baba? They will say that Sai Baba lives in
this youth, for he or she is a reflection of
Sai Baba, so selfless, so courageous, so kind
and compassionate. My children should be
My reflection. A lions cub has to be a lion; it
cannot be a cat. Therefore, My young people
should be like Me: courageous, bold, fearless,
confident, loving and compassionate. Become
like that! That is My message.

Swami: While I have quoted Avatars who are

better known, because men tend to speak a
lot and they want to be known, there have
been, very silently, women sages and saints,
who have served society selflessly. These
women have done so without the knowledge
of the world. They have sacrificed themselves
for the sake of the world.
Every woman is truly Divine for, she
sacrifices herself as mother, sister, wife, and
daughter. Therefore, to Me, every women
is an incarnation in her own right, though

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unknown, though silent. This is a male Avatar,

this is a female Avatar, is narrow thinking.
The truth is, they are all incarnations and
I maintain this special honour that even
today, you celebrate Easwaramma Day but
not Venkamma Raju Day.

They have to get back to their schools and

hospitals; they cannot leave them to carry on
alone, so I will only go to America next year.
Question 7: Swamiji, a miracle was
happening while I was seated here. Each
time I formulated a question, I found You
answering it in someone elses question. Still,
I also enjoy listening to my own voice, so I
thought I would ask something.

Question 5: Swami, how would You achieve

interfaith harmony in Fiji?
Swami: If you love, you will be loved; if you
trust, you will be trusted. Therefore, it has to
begin with you first, for nothing should stop
you from going and participating in others
joy; in going and helping when they need
you; in going and loving them when they
require your love. You begin the movement
to light a thousand lamps, first, one lamp has
to be lit.

Baba, Im limited in this body; my mind

is limited. Im limited by the genes of my
parents. Im limited by the circumstances of
this country. Im limited by being born here
in Fiji and, as you said yourself, a limited
body and mind can think only within limited
framework. From that limited mind, Im often
very restless about the future of my country. I
feel insecure, my people feel insecure. I know
you have responded to this in various ways
in other peoples questions but this limited
mind always wants to be reassured that
everything is safe and secure. Please assure
us about this doubt.

Have a deeper understanding of what I teach:

Love is the only religion, There is only one
religion, the religion of love. Take the first
step and God will take a hundred steps. You
begin, participate in their festivals, share
their joy; help them selflessly and, after some
time, they will learn from your conduct and
everybody will change. Love alone can cure
the problem of all such differences. If you love
selflessly, everything will be solved. Whether
you put sugar or salt into water, both are
dissolved. In the same way, whether you give
hatred or love, everything will be dissolved in
love and it will become love. You begin and
things will change.

Swami: Are you asking a question, or giving

Me work? Of course I will protect you. For Me,
you are all My own reflection. To a mother, all
her children are equally dear. She has borne
the same labour pains to deliver every single
child. The whole Creation is Mine.
If children listen to the advice of their mother
when she says, Dont put your hand in the
fire, it will hurt, they will be safe. If they put
their hand in the fire despite their mothers
advice, they will be burned. Nevertheless,
the mother, out of her compassion, would
still apply ointment, bandage it and caress it.
Similarly, you will always be safe in the end.
In between, whether you are happy or not,
depends on whether you follow Me or not.
I will always protect you. If you listen to My
advice, you will lead a happy life. However,
if you dont listen, you will have to face the

Question 6: Thank you, Swami, for saving

my life. When are you coming to the U.S.A?
Swami: I have just been to the U.S.A. but I am
going again next year, very soon. However, this
year, this will be the last trip abroad, because
there is a lot of work to do back home and
I am always free but these people (Swamis
travelling companions) are very busy people!
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and thinks that he is poor because he cannot

find it. Dont be misled by the ignorance of
your own Divinity. Everything you ever need
lies within you. Seek Me within; but it is only
possible to dig up this treasure, which lies
deep within, by the labour of selfless love
and service then you will find your own
Divinity. You dont have to look anywhere
outside, you dont have to follow anything,
you dont have to go anywhere, to know Me,
to see Me, to experience Me. You follow Me
and I will follow you.

consequences.
In the end, nobody will be destroyed,
everybody will be protected by the mother, so
Fiji has a great future. I was saying that it has
a most important role to play here, more on
the spiritual side than on the material and, if
spirituality grows, everything else will follow.
God is reality, the world is just shadow. If you
want a coconut, you have to climb a coconut
tree, not its shadow. Just the same, if you want
joy, follow Me, not the world, then there will
be joy, there will be protection, there will be
safety as My ashrams develop. This place will
become a centre for much spiritual activity
and people will come from all the other
countries nearby not to spend holidays but
to spend holy-days.

There is prasadam. I am very grateful that

the Tappoo family has made so much
effort to organise this satsang and to make
arrangements for everybodys dinner
prasadam. On behalf of everyone, I convey
My happiness and gratitude to the family for
having taken pains to organise everything for
Me and My devotees.

I thought you would have all come with a

big list of questions, but here is a little bit
of advice from Me the answers to all your
questions lie within. You have, within you, the
storehouse of all the knowledge and wisdom
that exists and will ever exist. All you have to
do is to seek the answers within.

I give My blessing that you all lead pure,

selfless, peaceful and divine lives and become
an inspiration to others in Fiji. In fact there
are no others everybody is My own but
be an inspiration to your own people in Fiji
so that those not privileged to know Me will
now come to know Me, through you all.

Here is just a small example to show you

that, what is accessible to one, is accessible
to all: A rich man who hides his treasure in
his backyard, forgets where he has hidden it

With blessings in abundance, I bring this

evening programme to its conclusion.
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Excerpts of Speech
by Mr. Isaac Tigrett

Public Satsangh at Nanuku, Pacific Harbour

27th September, 2015
When Western people first started to go to
Puttaparthi, we were not exactly welcomed
by the local community. In those days, the
local people felt Sai Baba belonged to the
Indians; He was an Indian guru and Indian
Master. Suddenly, people from around world
started invading Puttaparthi. It took some
time for the cultural changes to settle down
and finally we were accepted as devotees of
Sathya Sai Baba. Of course, one of Swamis
great signatures with his devotees is a oneon-one relationship with Him, which doesnt
make a difference where you sit or if you get
to be near the form or you sit at the back. A
poor villager will travel with great difficulty
a thousand miles for one darshan and feel
fulfilled the rest of their lives.
I had been always fascinated with the culture
of Puttaparthi. The culture was not Bangalore
or Bombay or Delhi, it was Andhra Pradesh.
One of the poorest states in the south, and
Swamis first big movement in help and
service was in His local community, setting
up schools, feeding the poor, going out and
helping and serving people.
The same way, Swami has asked you all to get
involved with Seva - not just among your own
community, but with the native people of
this place, who have given you an incredible
living. Why does God make strong ones? To
take care of the weak ones. No other reason.
The people of Fiji are sweet, wonderful
people, and this is their soil, this is their land
and its their air that they share with you,
with all of us. Its time to give something back
to them.

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Excerpts of Speech
by Sri C. Sreenivas

Public Satsangh at Nanuku, Pacific Harbour

27th September, 2015
What are we doing when we pursue our life?
We want to make our own ends meet; we just
want to do the things we expect, as young
man or woman. But for the whole majestic
beautiful world unknown, to begin to open
up, you must embark on impacting service.
A life first envisaged, thereafter envisioned
and finally embarked upon. Leading a life of
impacting service is the greatest blessing you
can ever have in your life. It is not given by
chance to anybody to embark on this life of
wanting to serve.
What happens when you embark on this
life of service, which Swami has lived all
His life? It gives you the power of the one
becoming the many. When you begin that,
you begin to live in peoples shoes, you begin
to understand them, you thereafter begin to
empathise with them, your horizons widen,
your perspectives widen, life assumes such a
beautiful rich meaning and finally you will
see that there is so much to do, before which
there is so much to learn. There is so much
in this world that, till this point in time, you
have missed out. That is the beauty of a life of
impacting service.
The take-home message for me, which I
will now summarise for you is: live life with
a continued attitude of prayer, a continued
practice of love and kindness in our speech
and embark on this leap of faith, which is the
definition of you being available and chosen.
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Excerpts of Speech
by Sri B.N. Narasimha Murthy

Public Satsangh at Nanuku, Pacific Harbour

27th September, 2015
Lord Rama, in the Tretha Yuga, declared,
Whether man or woman, a bird or a beast,
whoever it is; if he says to Me, Lord I belong
to You, once and for all, I assure them abhaya
- complete freedom from all fear.
That is the kind of fearlessness which
Swami is assuring us and asking us to
exhibit and manifest it in our lives. How
do we really manifest that kind of courage
and fearlessness? Where does the courage
come from? Courage comes from the most
fundamental value of complete faith in God.
Once we have complete faith in God, we are
most courageous. Theres nothing to fear for
us. That is what Swami wants us to cultivate
and manifest it in our lives.
In these modern times, goodness is very rare
to find. We cant practice the values which
Swami is asking us to follow. However, we
must remember that He is not asking us to
practice the divine values; He is asking us
to practice the human values. The simple
human values, which really make us human
beings; without which we cannot be human.
The first thing is faith, the second is devotion,
the third is love and the fourth is compassion.
We need to practice these human values.
Our lives should be founded on faith in God,
devotion to God.
Many people have asked the question, Is it
possible to practice moral values without a
spiritual foundation? I would like to tell you
on the basis of the experience of many men
and women from all over the world and my
own experience, that without complete faith
in God, nobody can practice human values
all the time.
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Divine Discourse by Bhagawan Baba

Public Satsang at Nanuku, Pacific Harbour
27th September, 2015
The divine Lords leelas are inscrutable; they
are of the most beautiful kinds, beyond the
comprehension of ordinary beings, enjoyed by the
sages and saints. They add beauty to the world,
unique and pleasing, giving joy to everyone.
(Telugu Poem)

the weight of the Lord. Even after putting

quite a bit of gold on the scales, they did not
budge an inch. Sathyabama was surprised;
she thought, Krishna does not look so heavy.
I have put in so much gold, yet the scales will
not move.

A long time ago, it was the birthday of Lord

Krishna. The wives of Lord Krishna, Rukmini
and Sathyabama, wanted to do something
unique. They thought, How do you to
celebrate Sri Krishnas birthday? Sathyabama
came up with the idea of weighing the Lord
in gold and giving away the gold in alms to
the poor. The Lord was made to sit on one
side of the scales, and on the other side, they
put a heap of gold that should have balanced

Nevertheless, they went and brought more

gold from their treasure and put it on the
other side of the scales. Again, the scales did
not move; the pointer was just as it was. Again,
they brought more and put it in the scale pan
but, still, the weight of gold was not equal to
that of the Lord. Finally, they had used up
everything that they had, but Krishna could
not be weighed in gold.

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Rukmini then prayed to the Lord in her heart

and said, This is extremely difficult. How do
I weigh You? With what wealth? What is so
precious that You can be weighed against it?
After her prayer, she realised that nothing
could equal the Lord only He could be
equal to Himself. So, she took a small Tulsi
leaf, wrote the name of Krishna on it, and
placed the leaf on the other scale pan. The
moment she placed the leaf on the scales, it
exactly balanced Krishnas weight! Everyone
was surprised. Tons and tons of gold could not
weigh Krishna, but one small Tulsi leaf did.
How was it possible? Then Krishna revealed
the truth the Lord cannot be weighed in
gold, attained by worldliness or bought by
money. The Lord alone is equal to Himself.
With devoted love, Rukmini had put a Tulsi
leaf with Krishnas name on it, and that name
was equal to the form of Krishna. Wherever
is the name, there is the form of the Lord
the form and the name are inseparable.

proof of your existence; your very existence

is proof of the presence of the Lord, just as
the very fact that you are breathing and you
are alive is proof of the presence of the air
around you.
The entire world is just shadow the Lord
alone is real. If there is a shadow, it means
that, somewhere, there must be an object.
Whether seen or not, a shadow cannot be
cast without an object. The very proof of the
objects presence is the shadow that you see.
However, can you hold the shadow? Can you
catch the shadow? Can you keep the shadow
in your pocket? Can you lock it in your safe? It
is not possible. However, if you hold the object,
the shadow comes with it. It is the object that
is needed the shadow will follow of its own
accord.
The entire world is nothing but the shadow
of the Lord. The Lord alone is real. If you get
the Lord, you get the whole world but if you
have the whole world, it still does not mean
that you will get the Lord. The Lord alone is
equal to Himself; the rest is merely a shadow.

The Lord has declared, Wherever My

devotees sing My name, I install Myself
there. Therefore, be assured that every time
you say Sai I say yes I acknowledge and
so, any time you chant My name, know for
sure that I am by your side that very moment.
Then why are you not able to see Me, why
are you not able to touch Me, feel Me, or
experience Me?

Once, a prince was celebrating his birthday,

just like Krishna in the earlier story. He
invited all his people and told them, Come to
my palace. I have displayed all my valuables
there and whatever you want, you can take
away, as it is my birthday. I am ready to give
anything that you want to take; whatever
your hands can carry. Take as much as you
can get on both your hands.

Air is all around you. People in every country

breathe the same air, in order to survive. It
is the same oxygen in the life- giving air that
sustains all beings. You cannot see the air, you
cannot touch the air, you cannot keep the air
in your pocket, not can you bind it or lock it
up in a safe. However much you try to hold
the air, it still escapes. However, it is that air,
invisible and intangible, which is the basic
principle for the sustenance of life. Likewise,
God is present everywhere. He is there in
every atom of the universe and it is He who
sustains all. Whether you see Him or not, He
is there with you all the time. The Lord is the

The whole kingdom rushed to the palace

and a great amount of valuable things was
displayed. There were gemstones, jewellery,
precious pearls, coins and other valuables.
People went crazy looking at the display of
wealth and greedily ran hither and thither,
to grab as much as much as possible in
both hands, to take home. Whilst all this
mad rush was going on, the prince was
watching a girl who did not pick anything
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wealth, progeny all of these in this great

palace of the universe. He lets you grab with
both the hands whatever you want and take
it away. Most people are distracted by this
display of so-called valuables and forget to
ask for the Lord Himself. With these same
two hands, you can hold the hands of the Lord
and ask Him to be with you all the time and
obtain the entire universe, which is nothing
but His own creation, His own shadow, His
own reflection.

up. She seemed to be a poor girl, yet was not

tempted by the presence of all the valuables.
The prince looked at the girl, walked up
to her and asked her, Young lady, is there
nothing in this whole palace that interests
you? Is there nothing that you want to take
away with you? The lady replied, O prince
you are very clever, you have placed all
these valuables here to distract them from
yourself. You have put them there to entice
the people with whatever they have in their
hands. I dont need any of these things. She
immediately grasped the hands of the prince
in her hands and said, I want you. I have
taken you by both hands and now I want you.
I want to take you. The prince said, You are
indeed clever. She said, If I have you, I have
the whole kingdom. Why should I be fooled
by all these distractions that you have put on
display? Become my husband, marry me and,
when I become the queen, all the wealth will
also come to me. Thus she argued, married
the prince and became the queen.

Listen to what your heart says; the mind runs

outward and is only interested in external
things, whereas the heart knows the truth, it
yearns only for the Lord. If you have God
His hands in your hands there is nothing
that you need to ask for; everything will come
to you on its own.
The whole world is just an illusion. God
alone is the Truth, say the scriptures. The
Lord takes many forms, in many ages, in
order to be closer to devotees. There are gods
in different religions, in faiths of different

The Lord has kept on display, name, fame,

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kinds. However, they are all nothing but the

representation of the same invisible, infinite
Divine. If you go to a market and you want to
buy a shirt, what do you do? You buy a piece
of cloth and then go to a tailor and tell him
to sew it up to your measurements. Some
are tall, some are short, some are thin and
some are fat, so everybodys shirt will be of a
different size.

be with the people taking on a physical form

out of sheer love and to teach them the path
of truth. What is happening now and from
now on is that the ocean is again becoming
cloud. The physical Lord has again assumed
the non-physical form and therefore, He is
not visible. That there are clouds in the sky is
the very proof that water that has gone from
the oceans to the sky and will come back as
rain again, very soon, in another tangible
form.

The cloth is one and the same but, based on

your size and shape, you get it altered to fit
you correctly. The sweetness in sweets is one
and the same; the sugar is the same, but it is
used to make many different kind of sweets.
Some children might like gulab jamun, some
may like laddoos, some may like other kind of
sweets, like Mysore pak. However, the basis of
all these is the very same sugar.

Unless I go, how can I come back again? In

India, when someone leaves your home, you
dont say Go, you say Go and return go so
that you may come again. I have gone from
one form, only to return in another. Rest
assured that, like other Avatars who were all
here at certain points in time, but you still
believe that they are around, I am always
there within you, above you, around you,
below you, beside you. If you truly believe
that I am there, you will definitely see Me,
feel Me and experience Me in every moment
of your life.

In the same way, God takes different forms in

order to become close to His devotees. Some
people love Him as Rama, some as Krishna,
some as Jesus, some as the Buddha, some as
Shirdi Sai or Sathya Sai and so on. It is to suit
the love and the expectations of His devotees
that the Lord takes different forms and is
worshipped by people all around the world.
Water vapour becomes clouds and the
clouds turn into rain. Rain falls to earth and
becomes the ocean. The oceans water, again,
evaporates and returns to the clouds. What
the human eye sees is the rain that falls from
the clouds but what it does not see is the
same ocean returning again to the cloud to
complete the cycle.

Then what stops you from being with Me?

The story of the prince the distractions of
the world draw your attention away from Me
and attract your minds towards themselves.
Therefore, you fail to notice that I am
standing in the same room as all the wealth
that is lying around. Your mind, which gives
value to these worldly things, runs after them
and forgets to notice My presence. If you
sincerely yearn to see Me and Me alone, you
will definitely find Me.

The descent of God in human form is seen

by everyone, as is the rain, falling to form the
ocean, but the ascent of the physical form of
God into its Divine Invisible Self is not seen,
just as the ocean becoming clouds again but
it is not seen. Until now, over the last 90 years,
what humanity has seen is the invisible,
absolute divine reality, come down upon the
earth and taking a physical form in order to

One who has sincerity or purity of intentions,

will definitely achieve whatever he wants.
If it was possible for monkeys to achieve
Rama, if it was possible for the uneducated
gopikas to attain Krishna, why it should not
be possible, easy even, for people like you,
who are neither monkeys nor uneducated?
You should be able to achieve the Lord much
more easily. All it needs is to ask for the Lord
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I have come to Fiji to share a lot of good

things, a lot of good news, with you. I was
just waiting to see whether the people of
Fiji would respond to My call. I had made
a passing remark that you should have a
medical facility, a van that can travel to the
corners of Fijian villages and bring seva, in
the form of medical facilities, to the peoples
doorsteps. I just mentioned it and I am very
glad that My children, without hesitation,
have responded and are willing to procure a
van immediately; that many young doctors
have volunteered to be a part of this service
and spend time in providing medical help to
the poor and the needy.

and not for other things. In your two hands,

you can only hold one thing, you cannot hold
two. Empty your hands of all the trinkets and
seek to hold the hands of the Lord, then alone
can you succeed in doing so.
I am always there to place My hands into
yours, but when your hands are already full,
where can I put My hands? Empty yourself of
all that is not true, all that is not Divine and
then Divinity will fill your palms with itself.
A pot can be full of either air or water; if it is
full of air, there is no room for water; if it is
full of water, there is no room air. There can
be either God or the world.

Truly, I am not satisfied with devotees just

singing My glory, chanting My name or
talking about Me. Whether you talk, sing or
not, My glory will not diminish. Whether
you call the sun a sun, or anything else, it will
remain the sun and it will continue to shine.
What will really please Me is if you realise
My principal of love, selfless love, try to
practise it in whatever capacity you can and

However, as I said, the world is merely a

shadow, an illusion. Even if you think you
have succeeded in grasping the shadow, it is
only going to be temporary. Grasp the object
and you will get the shadow along with it.
God alone is real. Therefore, aim for God, not
for illusory worldly things. If you have God,
you have everything.

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bring that love and hope to those who are

in need. Through your hands I shall work,
through your eyes I shall see, through your
mouths I shall speak, though your legs I shall
walk, through you I shall live, through you I
shall reach out to those who need Me. Your
surrender, your willingness, your purity, are
the proof of My presence still amongst you.

really feel for the Fijian people, feel their pain

and then do whatever is needed to remove
that pain.
In a very short time, many wonderful things
will happen in Fiji. On the way, as we were
coming, Mahendra Tappoo, who was driving
Me, asked, Swami, ten years ago there was
a political crisis and the people of Indian
origin did not know whether they would get
all their rights. Now it is fine, but will there be
any problem like this in the future?

May you all resolve, from now on, to put every

effort to practice what I have taught all these
years. Do not let My Avatar go to waste, or all
the efforts that I have made to bring harmony
and peace, love and succour to the needy.

I replied to him, There will not be any

political problems in terms of your rights in
Fiji, but rights come only with responsibility.
If you conduct yourself responsibly, rights will
automatically come to you. If you fulfil your
responsibility towards this country, nobody
can deny you your rights. You are responsible
for this country and for its people. You must
participate, involve yourself in activities to
help the poor and the needy in this country
of Fiji.

Talking about Me or My people and the seva

that you have done, or you do now, is not going
to help you in any way. Talking endlessly
about food will not fill your stomach. It is
only when you eat that you will be satisfied. It
is only when you engage in selfless seva that
you will derive benefit from it and then you
will fill your lives with joy. Be assured that,
whatever you need, I shall provide.
Look after Me, in the sense, My people, and I
will look after you and your people. There is
nothing to worry about. Give up all imaginary
fears. Be confident and courageous, lead lives
of selflessness, truth and devotion and help
as many as you can. Now, I have faith that the
devotees of Fiji will rise to the occasion and
do whatever is needed to help others.

The whole world only takes from Fiji; they

dont give anything in return. You should
not be the same; you should give more then
you take. That is the true nature of the Lord
and should be the nature of the devotee. You
must promptly form groups, work together
and achieve what is expected of you.
In times to come, this land will grow, in
both material prosperity as well as spiritual
prosperity. However, any material prosperity
without a spiritual foundation cannot last
long. You may build a tall building but, if it
does have strong foundations, one day or
another, it will crack and fall. In the same
way, unless you build a spiritual foundation
for this country and its land, unless there is
morality in society, love for God and fear of sin,
all the material prosperity will only destroy
the fabric of the nation itself. Therefore, as
you start on service projects for health, also

This morning, I mentioned that although

most of you are of Indian origin, you have
nonetheless lived your entire lives in Fiji and,
therefore, you owe to Fiji. Just as Krishna
was born to Devaki, but was brought up by
Yashoda and, even now, you always remember
Yashoda as the mother of Krishna similarly,
Fiji became your motherland because it is
the one which has brought you up. All the
people here are your brothers and sisters.
Simply talking like brothers and sisters does
not make you brothers and sisters you must
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talk to the children and people in the villages.

Try to bring about a social transformation by
inculcating devotion in the young hearts.

You must be open to all. Let it be a multi-faith

prayer centre. Everybody should be allowed
to come and worship the Lord in the form
that they like. Let everybody join hands and
participate in activities of education, health
and other social-welfare programmes. Do
not merely talk about it, welcome all with
open arms as your own brothers and sisters.
This is the time for action. Soon, all the faiths,
all the religions here will become integrated
because of you all. They will all work together
in harmony and keep the nation peaceful and
prosperous.

Devotion will protect them from all lifes

troubles, just as a child is vaccinated to
protect him from disease in the future. When
you inculcate devotion in the little hearts, it
will protect them forever in their lives. Along
with healthcare and education, the teaching
of human values must also begin shortly.
Fire cannot be called fire if it does not provide
heat. Water cannot be called water if it does
not have the intrinsic value of coolness.
Likewise, human beings cannot be called
human beings if they do not have the values
of love, peace, truth, right conduct and nonviolence. These values must be inculcated.
Only when children develop character, will
the country survive.

My blessings are there in abundance on the

people of this country all of you and I wish
you to pay heed to the advice and message
that I have given. Take it seriously and put it
into practice from this very moment. Again, I
give My abundant blessings to all.
If you have three or four questions, you can
ask them before you conclude the evenings
programme.

I bless this country with long-lasting

prosperity, material as well as spiritual, but
remember, material progress cannot be
sustained without a spiritual foundation. As
devotees, you have a role to play in the upkeep
of the culture and spirituality in this country.
Do not think that I have come all this way
with My attendants without good reason.
Every single thing that I do has a reason.
Very shortly, not very far from here, along
the coast, a Sai ashram will be developed
and will be a base for education, health
and many spiritual and other community
service activities. I did not want it to be too
close to the city, nor too far away. When it is
established, you should all participate. Do
not let differentiations arrive, as to place,
institution or organisation. I am for all. As
the sun is for all, the breeze is for all, the
rivers are for all, My love is for all, without
any barriers of state, country, name, caste,
religion, organisation or institution.
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Q & A Session with Bhagawan Baba

Public Satsang at Nanuku, Pacific Harbour
27th September, 2015

Question 1: Bhagawan, please tell us a sadhana

that we can do individually or collectively,
which will yield maximum good to the most
number beings of all the fourteen lokas,
including our planet Mother Earth, in the
minimum time-frame, as soon as possible?

When you continuously think you are Divine,

you will definitely be able to change all your
thoughts, words and actions into divine
thoughts, words and actions. Everything you
say, think and do will be Divine.
It is when the individual changes, that
society changes and the nation changes. It is
the change within you from human to Divine
that is the greatest help that one can do. Begin
with firmly believing that you are Divine;
do not merely do it as a mental exercise. I
have always called you Divyatmaswaroopa
Embodiments of Divinity. Believe in My
words and believe sincerely. If you believe
strongly and meditate upon your true nature,
very quickly it will energise you to think,
speak and act in the way that is your true
nature and you will thus help everyone who
you come across. Your looks will become

Swami: The only sadhana that can benefit

everyone including yourself is you
realising your own Divinity. If you become
Divine, that itself is great seva for the rest of
the world. Just imagine, if one Sai Baba came
and did so much, what could happen in this
world if all of you transformed into Sai Baba?
Start by constantly reminding yourself of
your own Divinity. Keep telling yourself, I am
Divine, I am Divine. Every breath is telling
you that you are Divine. Concentrate on your
breath and remember that you are Divine.
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Divine, your smile, your touch, your acts;

everything about you will become Divine.

I am the son of God, and finally, He said, I

and my Father are One.

So, believe in what have I said. The one

who believes gets everything; one who does
not believe attains nothing. Just believe in
one word that you are Divine; practise it
throughout the day and night. Whatever
change happens in you will immensely
benefit the rest of the world. The sun does
not have to do anything; it just has to just rise
in the sky and it sustains the entire world. In
the same manner, when your Divinity arises
within you, it will help the entire universe.
Even if one person transforms himself into
the Divine, it will immensely benefit the
entire universe. Do that.

When He was in the frame of mind that He

thought He was just a messenger of God, He
never said that He was the only way and He
alone could save; neither did He say it when
He felt He was the son of God. He only spoke
of His Father in heaven, because He thought
He was just a son.
When Jesus truly realised his Divine Self as
being one with His Father, that was when He
said He was the way. He did not mean Jesus
Christ He identified Himself with Divinity.
I tell you that you are God, but if you go and
tell your friend, Do you know what Sai
Baba said that I am God, so worship me!
would he believe you? However, when you
truly realise your own Divinity and feel one
with your Divine Self and then speak words
like I am God, your friend would definitely
fall at your feet because he would feel the
divine connection. People who quote Jesus
must understand the inner meaning and in
what context it has been quoted. Only when
Jesus felt that He and His Father were one
did He speak such words and when He did
speak them, He was referring to the Divine.

Question 2: Swami, we are living here in Fiji,

we are Indians, but the Fijians well, Fiji is a
Christian State so I have a close connection
with a friend who is a very good, spiritual
Christian man. He knows all the Bible verses
by heart, so he always shares with me. There
is one thing that I thought if Swami was
there in Puttaparthi, I would visit Him and
ask Him why is it written in the Bible that
Jesus said that He is the only God, and you
must pray to Him, only then can you obtain
salvation. Thats the only thing that creates
a gap between me and my friend and that
doesnt bode well, because he wants me to
convert to Christianity just so that Jesus will
save me and all of us. That is what he says.
Why, Swami, did You say that when You came
as Jesus?

I, too, keep saying that the journey is from

I to we to He. What does this mean? I is
the selfish, individual self, we, the selfless
embracing of the entire world and He, the
invisible Divine behind the entire Creation.
Thinking of Jesus as the Divine, you speak no
harm, it is the truth but considering Jesus
as just the individual speaking in that way is
quoting Him out of context.

Swami: Everything that you read and hear has

to be understood in the context of the time,
space and circumstances in which it has been
spoken, written or conveyed. Quoting out of
time and context will only lead to confusion.

Once, a guru and shishya were sitting together

and the guru said, I am Guru Brahma. As you
know, the scriptures say guru is God. Next,
he said, Shishya Brahma, that is, shishya is
also God. Finally, he said, Sarvam Brahma,

During the time of Jesus, Him, first He said,

I am the messenger of God. Next, He said,
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which means everything is God. When the

lesson was over, as the guru was about to get
up and leave, the shishya did not even get up
to pay his respects. The guru asked what was
the cause of his inappropriate behaviour.
The shishya said, You said, Guru Brahma,
Shishya Brahma both are Brahma, so why
should I respect you? We are equal.

flowed in one place, then the whole world

would be living in only one place.
Because there are many rivers, people are
able to live by those rivers but, ultimately,
all rivers merge in the ocean. The most
unfortunate thing is that even the ocean,
which is actually just water, has been divided
into various oceans look at the foolishness
of mankind, as they fight for territorial rights
over the ocean; that is all just selfishness. If
you really understand who Jesus is, you will
not misquote Him. It is not right. Explain to
your friend with love, that you respect and
love Jesus for all His sacrifices and the truth
that He taught but, unfortunately, he has
not understood the truth. If he understood
the truth, his narrow mindedness would
disappear. That is what you must convey.

This is quoting without understanding. If you

quote without understanding, it will lead to
confusion. If they had really understood Jesus
as the Divine, they would not be pestering
you to become a Christian. They would let
you follow the faith that you have, because
they would know that the Divine Principle
is the same It came as Jesus, it came as
Krishna, it came as Rama. Not understanding
the truth completely and misquoting is what
leads to confusion. Therefore, tell your friend
that he has not understood Jesus correctly.
Jesus has come for all; He loves everyone
and He spoke the way that He did when He
identified Himself with the Divine Self. Did
God not say, All are one, My dear son; be
alike to everyone? Everyone includes the
entire universe, not merely Christians; it is
for everyone. If you truly understand who
Jesus was, then you would not misquote Him.

Question 3: Swami, if You start an ashram

here will people come for seva?
Swami: First you come for seva. Seva will
make you humble. Dont run after position
and prestige. Even before an ashram starts,
people decide who is going to be the
chairman, who will be the secretary, who will
be the treasurer. First let the ashram start.

My biggest problem is people quoting and

misquoting Me in various places, without
understanding My meaning. They then
use it to favour their arguments and to try
to prove a point. That is not correct. You
must understand the inner significance, the
time, place and circumstances where it has
occurred; then there will be no confusion.
Tell him that you love Jesus just as you love
your Baba, because for you they are all same.

Even before you buy the cow, you are already

making the payasam (rice pudding), is it not
true? You must be willing to say, I want to
be Swamis best servant. Give me the most
difficult job; give me the job that will make
me most humble to kill my ego. That is how
you should fight for responsibility the rights
will follow. Do not create a bad example, like
the boy quoted just now, of organisations that
do not understand the inner significance of
the teachings of their masters and misquote
them and create differences. Understand
everything in the right context and work
together to bring about transformation in the
people of this country and, of course, the
transformation begins with you.

Ultimately, all rivers have to flow into the

ocean. It is the same ocean to which the rivers
return. Different Avatars come in different
places, just as different rivers flow through
different areas in order to quench the thirst
of the people of that area. If all rivers only
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Swami blessed the home of Mahendra & Maya Tappoo and stayed there for the entire duration
of His trip to Fiji. On Monday 28th September, at the conclusion of the trip, the dignitaries
were dropped off to the airport. After returning home, members of the family felt a great void
and were talking about the heavenly time spent with Him. They decided to go into the room in
which Swami had stayed. To their great surprise, they saw that upon the foot cushion Swami
had used for His interviews, He had left His divine footprints! Although appearing in the
invisible, Subtle Form, Swami left a physical mark for the family, to show them that He had not
gone anywhere, but is forever present not only at their home, but in the homes and hearts of
all His children and all beings in the universe!
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