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jackiabu
on: December 08, 2013, 03:48:29 pm
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today i got my 2 AimTrak Light Gun.

My question is do I need to connect two of the LED Bar usb? or one is Enough for
two guns?
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1 bar is fine for 2 guns.
I want to build my own

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now i have a new problem
I have a problem from the moment I plugged the other gun. Noting working .
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installed the software from the site .. AimTrak Setup And I get a message
"Unhandled exception has occured in your application"
I followed the instructions, but I get lost. What is the simplest way to connect the
second pistol, step by step. ?
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My guess is that you left both guns as Device ID 1.
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You need to change gun #2 to a different ID before plugging them both in.
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Basic Task s:
Assigning ID.If you are conne cting m ore than one gun to a PC , e ach one m ust have a
unique ID.The ID is assigne d by click ing on the "Assign ID" tab.
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from this page:

http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html
Step by step instructions:
http://www.ultimarc.com/AimTrak%20Setup%20Guide.pdf
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04:09:42 pm
Quote from: BadMouth on December 09, 2013, 04:00:20 pm
My gue ss is that you le ft both guns as De vice ID 1.
You ne e d to change gun #2 to a diffe re nt ID be fore plugging the m both in.
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Basic Task s:
Assigning ID.If you are conne cting m ore than one gun to a PC , e ach one m ust
have a unique ID.The ID is assigne d by click ing on the "Assign ID" tab.
from this page :

http://www.ultim arc.com /aim trak .htm l
Ste p by ste p instructions:
http://www.ultim arc.com /Aim Trak %20Se tup%20Guide .pdf
Thanks men... but I've been see these links before. And try to change the ID
.problem now is giving me all the time the message "Unhandled exception has
occured in your application"
any other idea please?
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Quote from: jackiabu on December 09, 2013, 04:09:42 pm
any othe r ide a ple ase ?
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can somone tell me please how to config and Calibrat whit this util Aim-Trak my
gun.
it was OK until i connect the second gun! and install the Aim-Trak util.
the calibration is not Accuracy no matter how i try.
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Make sure your sensor bar is in a good position and that your light gun can see
the bar no matter where you point on the screen. Also the Aim trak has software
to calibrate the guns even further which can help. I found holding the trigger
down for 30 seconds restarts the calibration so you can adjust on the fly for
games that are 4:3 vs games that are in 16:9. Hopefully this helps. Also make
sure your Joystick ID's are setup correctly using the aimtrak software that
ultimarc gives you on their site.

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01:29:44 pm
Quote from: spratkobasa on December 13, 2013, 11:48:50 am
Mak e sure your se nsor bar is in a good position and that your light gun can se e the
bar no m atte r whe re you point on the scre e n. Also the Aim trak has software to
calibrate the guns e ve n furthe r which can he lp. I found holding the trigge r down for 30
se conds re starts the calibration so you can adjust on the fly for gam e s that are 4:3 vs
gam e s that are in 16:9. Hope fully this he lps. Also m ak e sure your Joystick ID's are
se tup corre ctly using the aim trak software that ultim arc give s you on the ir site .
my sensor bar is in a good position.
I have to say this program is a shity one

i try to calibrate but again no luck

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the gun just out of range...the ID is ok. by the way where should i calibrate the
gun? in Configuration? Sensor View Check? Displaying Calibration Errors? or the
SHOW DATA Tab? Although I tried all of them in all sorts of variations
With all the respect to the http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html site itself has
an explanation for all TAB. but why not be explained step by step from start to
finish?
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02:14:30 pm
Once your guns are set up (with IR sensor and all) and plugged in correctly
(IDs, etc) press the calibration button on your gun(s) for the required 10-30
seconds in order to enter calibration mode (while in Windows). You'll be
looking at a Windows desktop at this point. No other software is open. No
Aimtrak software is needed at this point for calibration.
You should see three blinking targets. They come up one at at time. Shoot
them with each gun.
A couple of KEY THINGS to keep in mind:
1) Be sure to be far enough away from the screen for the calibration to work.
It's much harder to be too far away than too close. I'd guess at least 4-6 feet
away from the screen for it to work.
2) Aim with your WRISTS, not your arms. Position the gun where you would
likely hold it when playing a game. Then aim carefully using your wrist, only
pointing the barrel of the gun at the different calibration targets. Try not to
move the handle part of the gun in space relative to your body at all.
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Quote from: Wade007 on December 13, 2013, 02:14:30 pm
O nce your guns are se t up (with IR se nsor and all) and plugge d in corre ctly (IDs, e tc)
pre ss the calibration button on your gun(s) for the re quire d 10-30 se conds in orde r to
e nte r calibration m ode (while in W indows). You'll be look ing at a W indows de sk top at
this point. No othe r software is ope n. No Aim trak software is ne e de d at this point for
calibration.
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You should se e thre e blink ing targe ts. The y com e up one at at tim e . Shoot the m with
e ach gun.
A couple of KEY THINGS to k e e p in m ind:
1) Be sure to be far e nough away from the scre e n for the calibration to work . It's m uch
harde r to be too far away than too close . I'd gue ss at le ast 4-6 fe e t away from the
scre e n for it to work .
2) Aim with your W R ISTS, not your arm s. Position the gun whe re you would lik e ly hold
it whe n playing a gam e . The n aim care fully using your wrist, only pointing the barre l of
the gun at the diffe re nt calibration targe ts. Try not to m ove the handle part of the gun
in space re lative to your body at all.
Se e m y re vie w de m o vide o he re for a fe w possible points of he lp:
http://www.che apsk ate gam e r.com /pc_gam e _storie s_and_ne ws/true -light-gun-supportfor-pc-gam ing-the -arcade -guns%E2%84%A2-product-re vie w/
I hope this he lp.
i have no calibration button on my gun
where is it?
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03:16:32 pm
http://www.ultimarc.com/aimtrak.html
see calibration section.
point gun at ceiling and hold trigger in for 5 seconds
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03:21:35 pm
http://www.ultim arc.com /aim trak .htm l
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se e calibration se ction.
point gun at ce iling and hold trigge r in for 5 se conds
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haa.... that i all ready did many times, but the calibration is not Accuracy.
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Are you talking about accuracy in a game, or do you say it's inaccurate in
Windows?
Every game has its own service menu that you'll have to calibrate the gun in.
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Are you talk ing about accuracy in a gam e , or do you say it's inaccurate in W indows?
Eve ry gam e has its own se rvice m e nu that you'll have to calibrate the gun in.
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no men i am talikng about accuracy in win, like i did a week ago on my xp, whit
no utill, just as you said 5 sec, and the gun was just fine, then i decide to add the
second gun, ant that was all shity thging hppens.
all so i know every game has owan calibrate. like i did in opertion wolf, area 51,
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In Windows, make sure only 1 gun can see the bar.

The guns is a mouse. All mouses connected control the same pointer, so they
can "fight" each other.
In MAME, make sure that you have multimouse enabled in MAME.ini
When you map the controls in MAME, it should say "Mouse 1 X axis, Mouse 1 Y
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axis, Mouse 2 X axis, Mouse 2 Y axis....."

Otherwise MAME is just like windows with both guns trying to control the same
pointer.
Also, do not enable "multiple lightguns" in MAME.ini.
That is left over from the old days.
Aim-Trak is seen as a mouse.
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badMouth in window i connect only 1 gun.
The problem right now is not in MAME. This gun calibration problem.
Once I click the button 5 seconds, and after he finishes the calibration.
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The gun moves on the screen like crazy ... and I took the calculation of the
distance from the screen.
By the way this picture (forgive the quality) direction with one gun in my MAME.
The first day I brought it.
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It worked perfectly without a program with only one gun.

And that's what drives me crazy, because at first it worked perfectly for me ...
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You said that it worked fine when you only had one gun in windows. But when
there are two guns in windows it was all over the place. Are you sure when you
are moving it that the other gun isn't pointing at the bar. One possibility is that
the cursor is jumping between gun 1 and 2 which are both pointing at the screen.

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Quote from: spratkobasa on December 14, 2013, 09:29:09 am
You said that it work e d fine whe n you only had one gun in windows. But whe n the re are
two guns in windows it was all ove r the place . Are you sure whe n you are m oving it that
the othe r gun isn't pointing at the bar. O ne possibility is that the cursor is jum ping
be twe e n gun 1 and 2 which are both pointing at the scre e n.
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now i am just try to calibrate one gun...i try the other gun separated but the
same problem...i all so try another computer win7.
I SO FRUSTRATED!
this guns took me a lot of money...and ANDY from
ultimarc dont respond my email.
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12:23:59 pm
Here is a video clip about the gun...Excuse my bad English!
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01:42:17 pm
To enter calibration mode, you should be holding the gun vertically (point at
ceiling).
The calibration goes upper left corner, upper right corner, and bottom of screen
center.
It did not look like you pointed the gun at the bottom of the screen for the last
one.
That could by why Y axis is messed up.
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jackiabu, I watched your video...twice. I'd like to try and help.

I believe the problem is that your gun is NOT calibrated correctly with your
computer. That's why the cursor jumps all over the place on your monitor. Forget
MAME for now. You need to get the gun(s) calibrated.
BadMouth's comments and input is good.
My AimTrak's are slightly different (Arcade Guns). I'm not sure which gun trigger is
your calibration button. For me it's the large rear button. Where your thumb
touches. I have to keep it pressed down for at least 10 seconds uninterrupted for
the lightgun to enter calibration mode with Windows. Your gun may require more
or less time. 5 seconds? Maybe I missed it in the video but it didn't seem like you
actually entered calibration mode. Hard to see. Somehow you may not be
pushing the correct button long enough...or something.
You will know you've entered calibration mode when the mouse cursor moves to
the upper left corner of the screen. At that point, release the large button
pressed to initiate calibration. As BadMouth suggested, don't point your gun at
the screen when initiating calibration (pressing the large button on the gun).
Now...once the mouse cursor is in the top left corner, point the gun at the mouse
cursor (using the tips I posted prior) and pull the trigger. Do the same for the
upper right and bottom center. The center target will be slightly off center. That's
OK. It's supposed to be so. You must aim VERY carefully at these three targets.
Take your time. Use the iron sights of the gun.
If your calibration was accepted you should be able to control your mouse cursor
with the light gun. You should have smooth cursor control across the whole
monitor. If you like the accuracy of the gun then you're done. If not, re-calibrate
until you are satisfied.
If you calibration was not accepted by the software (actually firmware), the
cursor will return again to the upper left corner of the screen for re-calibration. If
this happens, don't be alarmed. Move a foot or two further away from the screen
and try again. If you are already more than 7 feet from the screen you should
move closer to the screen instead of further away from it.
If accuracy is still not quite right after calibrating, start the calibration process
again. This time you might try aiming slightly above or below the mouse cursor
target or tipping the nose of the gun upward or downward during calibration.
Again, I still suggest keeping your wrist and arm as motionless as possible.
I know this can be frustrating.
many times before I got it right.
I remember having to try to calibrate my guns
The good news is that once you get them calibrated in Windows you won't have
to worry about it again. The calibration for you screen stays in firmware. Even if
you unplug your guns.
Then...you can move onto MAME.
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When I first got my guns, one would jump around even when held still. Not quite
as dramatically as what you are showing in the video but it was noticeable. I got
a replacement from ArcadeGuns.com and they agreed that it was defective and
the replacement was perfect. You could have a similar issue.
Random thought: is it possible that the IR lights are reflecting off of something
else like the control panel? If it's only one gun, then I doubt it's the case but
might be worth looking into.
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Success
Well after half a day without electricity at home.
I returned to calibrate the gun .... and when I finally made it. i dont remmber
what i did
but now it working good.
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I played in operation wolf, and works pretty good.

Meanwhile its weird as it sounds, I do not want to" provoke", and connect the
other gun. becuse that get me all that ---steaming pile of meadow muffin--I want to learn more about the directions and everything.
Anyway I have another little problem, for example in operation wolf 'I can not
adjust the two buttons.
Always get only GUN B0
What is the simplest way to set up a gun and shooting two buttons handgrenades?
Thanks in advance jacki
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Remember that shooting offscreen can be different than shooting on screen.

Double check these settings in the Aimtrak utility. Just set on and off screen to
the same thing for each button and you shouldn't have a problem calibrating
Operation Wolf. You can also make sure to aim at the screen during calibration in
MAME. Probably better to do it this way so it still works correctly with offscreen
reload games such as Lethal Enforcers.
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R e m e m be r that shooting offscre e n can be diffe re nt than shooting on scre e n. Double

che ck the se se ttings in the Aim trak utility. Just se t on and off scre e n to the sam e
thing for e ach button and you shouldn't have a proble m calibrating O pe ration W olf.
You can also m ak e sure to aim at the scre e n during calibration in MAME. Probably
be tte r to do it this way so it still work s corre ctly with offscre e n re load gam e s such as
Le thal Enforce rs.
I was able to calibrate OPERTION WOLF, AREA 51.

But somehow games like OPERTION THNDER BOLD does not calibrate . when I
move the gun toward the right. LIGHTGUN X ANALOG in MAME, and game like
alien 3. the same problem.
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Well after a week of trial and calibrations. (One gun attached).

I was able to play dozens of games in MAME. And all so games like, HOUSE OF
DEAD,Remington Super Slam Hunting Africa,etc.
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There are games like CAREN EVIL that need to calibrated in DIP SWITCH. and its
now allso work fine. however alien 3 and other games, dont calibrate at all .even
when i try the DIP SWITCH option. when i move the
gun i see the movment of the gun but nothing happen.
why is that most of the game in mame i succeed to calibrate, and some i dont?
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howe ve r alie n 3 and othe r gam e s, dont calibrate at all .e ve n whe n i try the DIP
SW ITC H option. whe n i m ove the
gun i se e the m ovm e nt of the gun but nothing happe n.
why is that m ost of the gam e in m am e i succe e d to calibrate , and som e i dont?
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Is it just the games that original had mounted guns? (terminator 2, revolution x,
etc)
The guns on those games were more like analog joysticks than light guns, so
they work differently. (they should still work with aim-trak though)
See page 22 of the Aim-trak manual.
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Quote from: jackiabu on December 20, 2013, 10:31:55 am
howe ve r alie n 3 and othe r gam e s, dont calibrate at all .e ve n whe n i try the DIP
SW ITC H option. whe n i m ove the
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gun i se e the m ovm e nt of the gun but nothing happe n.

why is that m ost of the gam e in m am e i succe e d to calibrate , and som e i dont?
Is it just the gam e s that original had m ounte d guns? (te rm inator 2, re volution x , e tc)
The guns on those gam e s we re m ore lik e analog joystick s than light guns, so the y
work diffe re ntly. (the y should still work with aim -trak though)
Se e page 22 of the Aim -trak m anual.
BadMouth i all ready read this chapter. I followed the instructions. But maybe I'm
missing something ...
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With positional gun games you'll need to enter the gun settings in MAME as the
STICK X/Y axis controls. Not as the normal Lightgun settings. Also, some of those
games require in-game calibration (ie: Terminator 2, Revolution X). All of this
should be in the AimTrak manual. Look in the end section where it talks about
individual game requirements.
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Quote from: Wade007 on December 20, 2013, 05:30:56 pm
W ith positional gun gam e s you'll ne e d to e nte r the gun se ttings in MAME as the
ANALO G X/Y ax is controls. Not as the norm al Lightgun se ttings. Also, som e of those
gam e s re quire in-gam e calibration (ie : Te rm inator 2, R e volution X). All of this should
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be in the Aim Trak m anual. Look in the e nd se ction whe re it talk s about individual
gam e re quire m e nts.
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"Positional Games
These games originally used a joystick, usually mounted in a gun housing.

Although they
were originally not lightgun games, they can be played with the AimTrak.
Since MAME does not consider these lightgun games, you will need to repeat the
above
MAME setup procedure for assigning GUN # X and Y for these specific games.
Note
that you will be selecting Input (this game) and then selecting the AD Stick X (and
Y)
Analog inputs, instead of the Lightgun X (and Y) Analog shown above. "
Why can not they be more specific

any way here is what i do: i go to in mame to input(genral). then to the AD STICK
X (AND Y)
here is how its look now:
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now after i did this seeting, nothing happen. i all so did the calibertion whit F2,
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that you will be se le cting Input (this gam e )
Take a pic of the mappings for only that game.

Your pic is of the general settings.
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Longshot, but something else to check:

Is there an ini file for Terminator 2 in the INI folder located in your MAME folder.
If so, make sure that the mouse isn't disabled in it.
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that you will be se le cting Input (this gam e )
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Tak e a pic of the m appings for only that gam e .
Your pic is of the ge ne ral se ttings.
Longshot, but som e thing e lse to che ck :

Is the re an ini file for Te rm inator 2 in the INI folde r locate d in your MAME folde r.
If so, m ak e sure that the m ouse isn't disable d in it.
BadMouth You are the king

thank you. the T2 its now working.
I checked my terme2 INI and there is LightGun 0. so I changed it to 1
then i setup in AD Stick X (and Y) the gun whit no problem.
and
But something important and critical I have to say.

Many years ago I had connect TRACKBALL. usb. back then calibrate the most
games of shots. to the TRACKBALL.
Maybe it made
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jack iabu you m ay be having the sam e proble m as m e he re .
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i still not connect the second gun yet. this week i will do that...meanwhile i
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on: December 08, 2013, 03:48:29 pm

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today i got my 2 AimTrak Light Gun.

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Reply #1 on: December 08, 2013,

1 bar is fine for 2 guns.

I want to build my own

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now i have a new problem

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My guess is that you left both guns as Device ID 1.

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That was my only idea.

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Reply #8 on: December 13, 2013,

I want to build my own

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my sensor bar is in a good position.

I have to say this program is a shity one

i try to calibrate but again no luck

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Arcade Guns Review by Cheapskategamer.com

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i have no calibration button on my gun

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In Windows, make sure only 1 gun can see the bar.

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