Jack Ellis - Erotic Hypnosis Syndicate 2.0

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Doyouhallucinate?
byDoggyBone
So...mymasterhasprettymuchinfiltratedeverynookandcrannyofme...He
cancontrolorerase/insertanythoughthewantswithoutevenputtingme
intotranceanymore.
Onethingthough...Ican'thallucinateatall.IknowImustbeableto
somehow,butitjustfailseverytime.Whenitcomesto"makingfeelingsup"
or"makingvisionsup"..orevensounds...Itjust...neverhappens.Theclosest
Igetisthatifeelthe"energy"orwhateverImsupposedtofeel.
Doesanyonehavethesameproblem?Canitbetackled?Howdoesoneopen
upthekeytohallucination?
Responses(11of11)
SittingBull
Theeasiestthingformostandformetooaresensoryhallucinations.Aswe
canseefrommanycharlatansbasingtheirenergyworkonthatfact.
Secondcomeauditoryhallucinations,Ihavetobeenindeepforthat.
Visualnever.
Well,dependswhatwecallhallucinations,I'mtalkingaboutopeneyesones.
MasterFlex
@snow_kitten,itcanbetackled.Ihavemanysubjectswhoseabilityto
experienceillusionarysounds,sightsorsensationshasimprovedwith
time/practice/creativity.First,Iremindthemthattheirsubconsciousoften
hasnotbeenaskedtodothisbefore,andmayneedtimetofindthemental
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buttons,leversorfilters.Second,wetalkabouttheirexperiencewithmusic
playinginternallyalready,orwithhowtheysometimesfindthemselveslost
insidebooks,toremindthemofpowersthattheyreallyhave.Third,Isuggest
alternatewaystothinkabouttheeffectcoveringthewallwithablank
covering,forinstance,ratherthandisappearingthephotoshangingthere
now.Orrecoloringsomethingnotwith"thecolorgreen"butwith"thecolor
inthatfreshgreengrassyouremembersmelling/touching/enjoyingin
childhood."
Inyourcase,Iwouldexplorethefactthatyourmastercancontrol,eraseor
insertanythought.That'shuge.Perhapsallheneeddoisinsertthethought
thatyoudidfeelthatwarmsensationhewantedyoutofeel.Or"Younotice
nowhowmuchyouenjoythesmellofthatbacon."
Finally,Idon'tknowwhetheryourmasterreferstoalltheseeffectsas
"hallucinations"or"makingfeelingsup,"butinmyexperiencethatkindof
phrasingiscounterproductive.Todefinesomethingupfrontasanillusion
putsitintoadifferentcategory."Youarenude"isfarmorepowerfulthan
"Youthinkyouarenude"or"Youcan'tseeyourclothes."
Hopethat'shelpful!
Best,
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SittingBullSittingBull
Onecanalsorelatetothathalfasleepphasewhenyoucanhavesuch
sensationsandnotyetfullasleep.Againformehappensmoreoftenwith
soundsandmusic(thoughnotsmuchaswhenactivelyplaying).
Mypointbeingthatthatisacommonhallucinatoryexperienceformost
peopletostartform(revertto).
DreamWarriorDreamWarrior
Itshouldbepointedoutthattheonlythingmoredifficult,generallyspeaking,
thaninculcatingpositivehallucinationsinahypnoticsubjectisinculcating
negativehallucinations.:)Whileasotherpostershavenotedthisisathing
thatcanbeworkedonandworkedupto,nooneshouldfeelaseither
hypnotistorsubjectthatthefailuretoaccepthallucinatorysuggestionsisan
indicationofanyproblemwiththehypnotist,thesubject,orthetrance.Itis
highlycontraversialforapersontoallowtheirawarenessofthecurrent
momenttobealteredtothepointofhallucination.Thesubconscioususually
resistsquitedefinitelyuntilagreatdealofrapporthasbeenbuiltup.
Suggestingthatsomethinghappenedwhichdidnothappenisaformof
implantingahallucination,butthemindknowsthatmemoryisimperfectand
willnotresistthis(unlessthememoryiscounterproductive)nearlysomuch.
That'sonewaytoapproacha"buildup."Makethememoryshorterand
shorteruntil"youaretherenow."Anotherone,andonelesslikelytobe
problematicalthoughofcourselimitedbynecessity,ispullingthememoryof
anactualeventcloserandcloseruntil,again,"youaretherenow."
BASIC
Itmaybeusefultorealize,thatthesamemechanism,thatcreatesimagery
duringdreaming,canbeusedwhileyou'reawake.Then'mixing'thatwiththe
signalsyougetfromyoureyescouldbetrainedincrementally.
Otherwaytoapproachthiswouldbetoconvinceyourbrain,thatsuggestions
fromyourhypnotistworkasanothersense,orsourceofinformationforyour
visualawareness.
Thethingsyou'see'areactuallyHEAVILYpreprocessedbeforecorresponding
imageryandobjectsarereconstructedinyourinternalworldmap.Signals
fromyoureyesareusedtorecognizeobjects,comparedtothingsyouhave
seenbefore,partlyevenenhancedbytheinformationyoualreadyhave.For
exampletocorrectsomevisualimperfectionsandfillinmissingfeaturesyou
knowshouldbethere.Thatprocessisactuallynaturallyinfluencedbyyour
thinking.Forexampleyouknowexactlywhereyouleftsomething.Youdon't
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reallybothertofocusonwhat'sactuallyaroundyou,buttrytorelaymore
heavilyonyouralreadyacquiredmap.Onyourwaythereyoucouldwillingly
ignoreseeingthethinguntilyouconfirmthatit'snotwhereyourememberit
shouldbeandstartsearchingforitagain.
Hallucinationsarenotthatmuchdifferent.
Theideaistocreatesuggestionsthat'plug'cuesintorightstageofthat
recognitionandreconstructionprocess,soyourbrainwouldhonestlybelieve
somethingisthereandthenitwouldjustconfirmthatbyreconstructing
correspondingimagerylikeitusuallydoes.Obviouslyforsomepeoplethat
happensmorenaturallythanforothers.Ifitdoesn't,thenyouhavetoina
wayhacktheprocess,thathasactuallyworkedcorrectlyyourwholelife,to
incorporatesomethingithasnevercaredfor,andtobehonest,stillshould
notcareforinmostdailysituations.Imeanitwouldbequiteunfortunate,if
thehackwouldbesloppyenoughforittoworkwhenitshouldn't.Itwouldbe
justfunthingtoplaywith.
Knowingtheprocessingreaterdetailandtrainingdifferentstagesofit
shoulddefinitelyyieldresults,liketraininganyotherabilitywould.
Auditoryandsensoryhallucinationshavetheirownprocessestoo.Research
andfigureouthowtotapintothem.Justrepeatingsomethingthat
apparentlydoesnotworkmayjustreinforcethegeneralidea,thatthewhole
conceptjustdoesn'tworkforyou.Soifonemethodprovestobeineffective,
itseemsimportanttotrysomethingelse.
ShockTreatmentShockTreatment
OneapproachthatI'veusedwithpeoplewhohaveproblemswithproducing
afullsensoryhallucinationistofirst"fullydevelop"theconstructedsensein
"themind'seye"or"theplaceinyourmindthatimagines(insertsensehere).
Afterthey'vegraspedthatexercise,Icantellthem,"fromnowon,justlet
yourselfsee'throughthemind'seye,'"andthatseemstohavetheright
result.
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phantaseephantasee
WatchingthispostwithinterestasitisindeedsomethingIwishto
experiencealso.TodatethebestI'vebeenabletomanageisto"imagine"
seeingthings.ThatisIcanreallyseeitinmymindbutIknowtheyaren't
reallythere.Wouldlovetobeconvincedthattheyare.
DoggyBoneDoggyBone
@MasterFlex
"Finally,Idon'tknowwhetheryourmasterreferstoalltheseeffectsas
"hallucinations"or"makingfeelingsup,"butinmyexperiencethatkindof
phrasingiscounterproductive"
Hedoesnotdothat...InfactwhenIsaystufflikethatortrytoarguethatI
justcantmakeupstuff,hetellsmetostopandjustfeelstuff.Orsoemthing
likethat.IguessmyproblemisjustImahugeskeptic.Masterdidn'teasilyget
metothispoint.AyearagoIfirmlybelievedthatIcouldn'tbehypnotised
andevendoubteditsvalidity.Hecanrearrangemythoughtsprettywell...But
whenitcomesitstuffthat....takesmakinguppowers(sorryforcallingitthat
>_<dunnowhatelsetocallit)...Ijust...dunno.Itrymybesttofollowhis
directions,butthenIopenmyeyes,orcheckforthethinghewas
suggesting...atitsofaritjusthasntworked.ItsjustthatIthinkIhaven't
openedmy"thirdeye"yet...Orfullylearnedhowtolethypnosisworkona
fullysubconsciouslevel...Isometimeskindasuffocateitbyprocessingit
consciously.IwishIcouldjustletmyanalytical(imveryanalytical)voicedie.It
analyzeseverything.
Hedidhavequiteabitofsuccesswithamnesialately...Andalsohe'serased
numbersfromthenumbersystem(forexample3)....Anditworkedsomeof
thetimes.Theothertimesiwaslike:comeon...youcantjusteraseanumber
frommysystem,Imtoogroundedinrealityforthat.
@DreamWarrior
Whatis'negativehallucination?'?:p
Anywaythankyoupeoplesofarforyourreplies.Theyhavebeenhelpful....I
reallyhopeIamabletohallucinatesomeday.ItwouldmakemasterhappyI
think:)
HypnoScream
Anegativehallucinationiswhenyoufailtoseesomethingthatisthere.Itis
actuallyreallyeasytoachievesincethebraincannotconsciouslyprocessvery
manythingsatonceatall.ThinkofitasbeingexactlyliketheSEPinthe
HitchHiker'sGuidetotheGalaxy:).
Thatsaid,Ihaveonlyeverhadtwosubjectswhereevenpositive
hallucinationswereproblematic...worksperfectlywitheveryoneelse.
Withthepositivehallucinations,thereisdefinitelyakindof"stateflip"
moment,whereyousuddenlyrealisethatyoucanperceivethethingthatis
notthere.Inyourcase,itisprobablyeasiesttojustmakeyoubelievethat
youcan.Therewouldthenbeaflowoneffect.Iwouldstartbyprogramming
yoursubconscioustoknowwithabsolutecertaintythatyoucanhallucinate.
Andaddinsomevisualisationexercisestoreinforcethat:).
AsHypnoticExppointsout,positivehallucinationsareseeing(orotherwise
experiencing)somethingthatisn'treallythere,andnegativehallucinations
arenotseeing(ditto)somethingthatisreallythere.Contrarytohis
experience,I'vefoundnegativehallucinations(not"don'tpayanyattention
tothatthing,"but"thatthingISNOTTHERE")aresomewhatmoredifficultto
suggestthanpositivehallucinations.Butitdoesvarybysubjectandsituation.
HypnoScream
Itprobablyalsovariesbytechniquenodoubtwetrytododifferentthings
:).
Whatsayyou?
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EvilJoker
Ideasonreversingpreviouslyhypnotizedsubs
byEvilJokero
Doesanyonehaveanideaonhowtobestapproachreversingasubsselfsissy
training.
I'mnewandjustjoined...onanothersiteIwasapproachedbyasubwho
wentthroughselfsissytrainingtosatisfyhiswife.
Theyhavesincesplitandhehasbeentryingtoundowhathasbeendone.
Hewantstoremainsubmissive,butnotneedtobetouchedbymentofind
sexualgratification,release.
IrecommendedaDomme,ofcourse,butthequestionhadmeperplexed.
Itsortofgoeswiththetroublethosewholiveastheoppositegenderfor
sometime,thendecidetheynolongerwantto.
Responses(24of24)
URANUSURANUS
IfIeversplitwithagforsubthatIhypnotizeIhypnothemoncemoreand
repeats"Allprevioushypnosiscommandsaregonefromyourmind."
Spiritbear23Spiritbear23
firstoff,itneedstobesomethingthatthesubjectwantstohappen,onall
levels.ifadeeppartofhimwantstostayasissy,thatshouldbeworkedon
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first.oncethat'sgoodtogo,thenworkwiththemaingoal.ithinkitneedsto
bemorethansuggestiontho;withinhismind,heneedstodosomethingto
symbolizemakingthechange.seeinghimselfwalkingawayfromavisualized
sissyversionofhimself,forinstance...makingthatchoiceforhimself.
MasterjohnMasterjohn
Thatisgoodifitisafriendlybreakup.Ifitisnastyandhedoesnotknowwhat
commandsandhowtheywereused.Hemightwanttoseekprofessional
help.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
How'sthatwork?@URANUS
Itriedtogobackandcopy/pastetheemailIgot,butIapparentlydeletedit.
(horriblehabitofmine,Ideletealltextstoo)
Anyway,accordingtotheemailhestartedwatchingsissyhypnosisvideoshe
foundonline.Thenhejoinedblogsaboutselfsissification.Hedidallthisto
satisfyhiswife,butafterayearhecouldnolongergetoffwithhiswife.
Heneedsaman'stouch,penistogetoffnow.
HewantedtoknowifIhadexperiencewiththisandifIcouldhelp.
IgatheredhiswifeisnotaProDommeandthatotherthanfollowingadvice
hereadonlinetheydidnotseekanyexperiencedguidanceduringhis
transformation.
twilightborntwilightborn
IagreewithURANUS.
I'veonetimehadtheunfortunateburdenofdealingwithquiteafairnumber
ofpeoplethatwereinfluencedbyaslueofnegativesuggestionsfromthe
sameperson.
Awordofadviceinthissituation,ifyouarenotexperiencedinthismanner,
orhavenoconfidenceinyourownabilitytodoitIwouldsuggesthaving
thatpersonasksomeonewithmoreexperience.Theroadtohellispaved
withgoodintentions,andyoumightcausemoredamagereversingapersons
suggestionsthanwhatisalreadydone.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
Letmeconfirm...IhaveNOINTENTIONtohelpthispersonmyself.
IsuggestedhefindaDommethatisexperiencedwithhypnosisanddoesnot
haveonlysissysubs.
@HypnoKing222Igatherhewentthroughthisselfsuggestionstechniques
foratleastayearstime.
SoasIambeginningtoventureintotherealmoftakingonsissysubs,Ihave
becomecuriousastowhatonewoulddowiththisproblem.PerhapsImay
comeacrossthiswithasubofmyown.
Personally,I'dtakethemback,similartowhat@URANUSsuggested,but
insteadofleavingitatthat,I'dtakehimtoaspacewherehecouldlookatall
thehypnoticsuggestionsthathehave,sothathecanchoosetoerasethem
orkeepthem,ashechooses,alsoleavingthisstateopentohim,sohecan
comebackandmakemoresuchchangesifhewants.Ialsomakesurethathe
specificallyremembersthisexperiencesothathe'sopenlyawareofallthese
choices.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
Soregardlessofwhodidwhatorhow...
Imaybeabletogetthesubtogiveupthethingstheydecidedtheydonot
want,byrevisitingthemethod?
Theyjustneedtobeinaspacewheretheyknowtheyhaveachoice?
@ShockTreatment
EvilJokerEvilJoker
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@MistressEvilahypnosis/subliminalvideotoreverseit?
Well....byallmeans,pleasedoso.
Perhapstherearemanypeoplewhowishtochangetheirposition.
AsaDom,Ican'timaginewhyamanwouldwishtobesubmittedtoanother
mantopleasehiswoman.
Orwhythewoman,ifsheloveshim,wouldwantthat...
Sinceitssoeasyforamateurstosissytheirhusband...aeasytoaccessvideo
toreverseitisonlyfair.
MikeLikeMikeLike
Ihaveheardfromseveralpeoplethatyoucannotbehypnotizedtodo
somethingagainstyourwill.Ifthatistruethenthehypnosisthathehadto
turnhimintoasissythatwantsandneedsanothermanspenistogetoffis
whathereallywantsthehypnosisjusthelptobringtheoutofhis
subconscious.Beingasissycocksuckeriswhatheisheshouldjustlivewith
it.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
@MikeLikethatisridiculous.
Apersoncannotbemadetodosomethingagainsttheirwillduringhypnosis,
buttheyonlyneedasmallamountofwantordesireforittostick.
Iwanttokidnapachic,butmymoralskeepmefromdoingit.
DuringhypnosisIcan'tbemadetodoit,butifIwastoundergo
hypnotherapyforalongtime...buildingmydesiretokidnapandrape.I
wouldmostlikelysuccumbtomydesire.
Thismanhasadesire,hewishestoforfeitit.Nooneshouldtellhimheneeds
tojustaccepthisposition.
RedSoldier27RedSoldier27
/meraisesaneyebrow
soyourathief?
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damnitthatshouldread"thief/conperson"
HypnoScream
Plusreally...iftheyareasalespersonandhavenotthoughttostudyhypnosis
andNLPitisnotreallystealingfromthemortheiremployer...moreacaseof
educationbymakingittoopainfulforthemtonotlearn:).Callitevolution
:D.
Also,whoeversaidhypnoticsuggestionswearoffafterawhileiftheyarenot
usedthisisonlyeverthecaseifthehypnotistdoesnottakethesimple
precautionofmakingthemselfreinforcing.Iusebothkinds,asIamsure
manyotherhypnotistsdo.
Asforremovingthesuggestions,anycompetenthypnotistshouldbeableto
dothis.
slave78492slave78492
@MistressEviland@EvilJokericoncurwithyourstatementsregardingthat
acapableNLP/Hypnotistiscapableofconvincingapersonofdoingalmost
anythinggivenenoughtime.
Asforthesituation@EvilJokerithinkyouhavealreadyidentifiedyourown
solution.Thepreferred/cleanestsolutionistheindividualwhomplantedthe
seeds/suggestionscreateatape/audiofilethatmadehimintoasissy.
Alternativelylocatingahypnotisttoreverseorchangehisdesiresbackto
desiringWomyn.Therearevariousfreesites(hypnotists)thatofferfreefiles
thatcouldaidalternativelybuyafilefromaFemalehypnotist.
Inanycaseifittrulywasyearsofprogrammingitwilltakesometimeto
adjustthesituation.Soiwouldsuggestacquiringafileofthesessionwhich
canberepeatedoveranextendedperiod.
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iwouldprovideafewrecommendations,althoughnottosureifi'mallowed.
Ifhecan'tfindahypnotisthe(cantrust)yourwelcometomessageme.
HypnoScream
@slave78492itdoesnothavetotakesometimetoundoyearsof
conditioning...itjusthastobedoneintherightway.
Myquestionwouldbehowgoodcouldshebeifshecouldnotprogramhim
insuchamannerthatshewantedtokeephim?Mysuspicionisnotvery,
whichprobablymeansitisnothardtoundo.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
IhaveundergoneintenseNLPmyself.
Itooka16hourfor3daysseminarandhavelifechangingresults,becauseof
it.
Theymaybeabletobeundonenysimplylivingmylife,butmostchangesI
wishtokeep.SoIknowitcanbedone.
Thisguywantedtomakehiswifehappy,intheprocessheconvincedhimself
heneedstodressprettyandsuckcock.I'mprettysureeverysissyhypnosis
videowouldtellyouthat.
Whoknowsifnotbeingabletoperformwithhiswifeanymorecontributed
tohisbreakup?Thataloneshouldbecauseforsomeonetohelphim,evenif
onlyforafee.Weknowpeoplehavetoeat.
hypnomaster69hypnomaster69
Anyopenedmindedhypnotherapistcanhelpthispersonwiththereissue.,I
wouldnotadvisesomeonewithsuchareenforcedhypnotictransformation
intherepersonalitytojustgoseejustanyhypnotistbutacertified
hypnotherapist,Ihavehadsimilarcasesandtheycanprovetobemorethen
justasimplereversalofsuggestionsoraformaofboxtherapy,therehas
beenalotofgoodadviceintheotherpostsandthiswaswhatIhadtosay
abouthopeyourfriendfindsthehelpheneeds.
DoggyBoneDoggyBone
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Iwillsaythatmymasterswitchedaroundmysexualorientationinthematter
ofseconds(samewithotherprettyheavystuff)...SoImprettysurethat
undoingthississytrainingthingshouldbepossible...Justfindagood
hypnotist!ButIguessthatinitselfmighttakealotoftime:pIvecomeacross
manyflakeysocalledhypnotists..
GoddessMarquesaGoddessMarquesa
@MistressEvilIlookforwardtoyouryoutubevid.
Idon;tknowyoubut.....itappearstoMeyouhaveagoodheartandalotof
talentandknowledge.Ohandyourverypassionateabout...somethings.Yes?
:)
HypnoSirHypnoSir
Mytwocentsworth!
Plentyofgoodanswersaboveandcertainlylotstoconsider.
Itcan'treallybeassimpleastellingprevioussuggestionstoremove
themselves,asindoingso,anymemoriesandorexperiencesattachedto
thosememorieswillbecomeopenendedpossibleproblems!Togointodetail
wouldtakefartoolongbutifthechangewasactualchangedonewithproper
conditioning,thendespitewhatpeoplebelieveregardingitwilljust'wear
off',it'snotassimpleasthateither.
He'dneedafewsessionsdeprogrammingasIthinksomepeoplecallitand
thisinasenseissimilartoconditioning,onlyinareverseaspectandusually
muchquickertodo!
Themindisanamazingthingandachievingchangecanbeequallyamazing.
Mostpeopledooftenmentionthenotbeingabletodothingsyoudon'twant
todostory,butpersuasiontobelieveyouwanttodosomethingisactually
easierthanpeoplebelieve,especiallyifsomeonealreadyhasaninterestin
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hypnosisandthewholemythoflettingahypnotistcontrolyouthinkabout
it.
Anyway,hopefullythathelpsandyourfriendgetshisproblemsorted!
DoggyBoneDoggyBone
thosememorieswillbecomeopenendedpossibleproblems!
Justonequestion...andIhopeIwontsoundignorantasI'mnotahypnotist.
Whydoesheneedtoremovethesuggestionsatall?Orevendeprogram..?
Cantthesuggestionsjustbeoverriddenbynewones?
Somethinglike:Youusedtolikeguys,butnowyouarefindingthatyoustart
tolikegirlsandguysarebecominglessandlessattractive..
Orwouldthatjustclutterhimwithtoomanysuggestions/triggers?
HypnoSirHypnoSir
It'snotabadquestionatallanditcomesdowntopreferenceIguessatthe
timeofthepersonattemptingtohelphim.
Obviouslytherearemanyfactorstoincludeandmorespecificallytalkingone
ononewithhimwouldhelpgetabetterunderstandingfromhisperspective,
thoughiftherewasanypartofthecurrentconditioninghewasn'tenjoying,
insteadof'dealing'withitandjust'piling'moreontopofit,wouldbe
suppressingtheinitialproblemandjustburyingitdeeper.
LikeIsaidthough,asidefromthebriefdescriptionabove,wedon'treally
knowhowexactlyhewant'stobehelpedandwhatisorisn'tongoing
problemsforhim.
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Sotherearemanydifferentscenariosabletohelphimandmanydifferent
opinionswithmanydifferenttechniquesthebestnewscomingfromall
scenariosisthatitcanbe'fixed'invariousdifferentways!
Validquestionthoughsowelldone!
BlackShadowBlackShadow
@snow_kitten
Iftherearesuggestionsactivelyreinforcingtheunwantedbehaviour,then
neutralisingtheminsomewayisausefulthingtodo,justaswithanyother
"bad"habits.Whetheryouexplicitlyremovethem,modifythem,orsimply
givealatersuggestionthatconflictsandletthemresolveit(whichcanbe
unpredictablesometimespeoplewillgowiththeexistingsuggestion;other
timesthenewone;othertimestryfollowingbothandgetsnarledupeither
onacasebycasebasis,orgoingwiththesamebehaviouracrosstheboard)
Suggestionsthatconflictwithaperson'scurrentrealitytendtowearoff,but
suggestionsthatalignwithaperson'scurrentrealitycanstopbeing
suggestionsandbecomehabitsthingstheydonotjustbecausethey've
beenhypnotisedintoit,butbecausethat'sjustwhattheydotheeffectsof
thosesuggestionswilllastindefinitelyuntilthatperson'srealitychanges
again.
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Whathappenswhenthehypnotistactssilly
byMerlino
Ihaveaquestiontothemoreexperiencedofthegroup.
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Whathappensifyouputyoursubjectinatrance,andthenyousay
somethingsilly,funny,goofy,nerdy?OryoutrytogivethemaPHSthatyou
bothknowistotallyagainsttheirhardlimitsandwouldnormallyevokea
responseofshockandrefusalifthesubjectwereinaconsciousstate?
Dopeopleintrancehavethesamekindofemotionalreactiontothingsyou
saythattheywouldinaconsciousstate?Wouldtheyhaveatendencyto
comeoutoftrancefromhearingsomethingthatisfunnyorshocking?
Ihavealwaystreatedhypnosisasaseriousmatter,andsoIhavenever
venturedoutsideofaprettycalmtoneofvoice.I'veseenstagehypnotists
actingwithmore"flair",butIdon'tthinkIhaveeverseenanythingthat
wouldevokeemotion,soIhavebeenwonderingforthepastfewdayswhat
happens.
Responses(21of21)
hypnoplayhypnoplay
Youoftenseestagesubjectsnotlaughingatthetistsjokes,theycanappear
awake,butthehumorhasnoaffectonthem.However....
ForFunny..Youcouldalwaysreinforceitwith."SeeevenIamhavingagood
time"Or"itsnicetohavefun,isntit?"Followedwitha"laughingrelaxesyou
evenmoreitreleasesendophinsandmakesyoufeelgood"
ForthePHS.WhywouldyoubegivingthemaPHSthatisbeyondhisorher
limits?
Hypnomastermind1Hypnomastermind1
Evendeeplyhypnotizedsubjectsstillhavethoughtsandemotions.The
emotionsmaynotbeasnoticeablewhiletheyarehypnotizedandtheymay
beeitherstrongerorweakerdependingonthesituationandtheemotion.
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Anexampleofwhatmayhappen:Manyyearsago,Iwasavolunteerfora
demonstrationsatahypnosisconvention.Thepresenter(theincomparable
GeraldKein)hadmeinadeeptranceandwasbasicallydoingastandup
routineashelecturedtotheaudience.Atonepoint,someoneinthe
audienceaskedwhyI,whilehypnotized,wasnotlaughing.Ihadbeen
laughing.IthoughtIwasgoingtofalloffmychair.ButIwassophysically
relaxedtheaudiencedidn'tseeit.Noneofthiscausedmytrancelevelto
lighten.
Whenitcomestoasuggestionthatviolateslimitsorisshocking,itgets
trickier.Peopletendtogivethehypnotistthebenefitsofthedoubtwhen
hypnotizedsoifthesuggestionisjustalittleovertheline,theymaynot
react.Itisalsopossibletoframethesuggestionsothatthesubjectdoesnot
realizeexactlywhatisbeingsuggested.Ofcourse,framingunacceptable
suggestionsinacceptablewayscanbedoneoutsideofhypnosiswith
comparableresults.Ifthesuggestionsiswelloutofboundsortooshocking,
thesubjectwillusuallyeithercomeoutofhypnosis,willsubvertthe
suggestion(notdoexactlywhatwasrequested)orwilljustrefusetofollow
thesuggestion.Ifpushed,thesubjectislikelytocomeoutofhypnosis.After
thefactthereisusuallysomesortofreaction.Dependingonthesituation,
thehypnotistmayormaynotbeawareofthesubject'sreaction,butitis
almostcertainlythere.Don'tbetonamnesiatopreventthis.
Agoodruleistothinkofthesubconsciousasasmart,reasonablytrusting
nineyearold.Youcandoalot,butifyoupushthewrongwayordothe
wrongthing,therewillbeareaction.AsIputit:"Thesubconsciousain't
stupid."
NaughtHypnotist
<<Ihavealwaystreatedhypnosisasaseriousmatter,andsoIhavenever
venturedoutsideofaprettycalmtoneofvoice.>>
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Firstofall...silly...goofy...etc,areallcomparativedeletions,unlessyouare
judginganything"outsideaprettycalmtoneofvoice",asthe
aforementioneddescriptions.Whatmakesyouthinkactinginsuchwaysisn't
treatinghypnosisasaseriousmatter?It'stheintentionthatmatters.
HypnoticNow
Well,actingfunny,silly,goofy,etc.,dependsontheirnormalreactionsto
you,andhowtheyarelikewhileintrance.Everyonediffers.Maybeitwould
takeonepersonoutofitabit.Maybeitwouldhelpanotherrelaxandfocus
more.Maybeyetanotherwilllaughhis/herassoff.Maybeyetanotherwon't
bephasedintheleast.It'salsosituational,anditmayalsodependonwhat
you'redoing.I'vemadecommentsaboutthingsgoingonaroundustobe
funny,madealittleselfdeprecatinghumorwhenI'mtiredandflubbingwhat
Iwantedtosayalot,etc.,and,asyou'dexpect,youdon'tgetthesame
responsefromeveryone.Sometimes,someofthesillinesscanjustaseasily
behowyou'redeliveringthesuggestions,suchasintentionallygiving
suggestionstowardlaughingandlettingitalloutsotheycanrelaxandgo
thatmuchdeeper.They'lllaughagooddeal,whichnewerpeopledon'tsee
ashypnotizedbecause"OMGpersonisactiveandseemsaware,"butif
followingthosesuggestions,they'regoingdeeperanddeeperintotrance.
Hypnosisisnotnaturallyseriousnorsillyonitsown.Andjustlikedifferent
hypnotistswillgiveasubjectadifferentexperienceevenwithsimilar
suggestions,thesamehypnotistcangiveentirelydifferentexperienceswhen
changingfrom"seriousbusiness"to"silly,goofy,andgeneralamusement."
Asfortheideaofintentionallygivingaposthypnoticsuggestionagainst
someone'slimits...I'mnotgoingtoevenmusethatthought.Andyouwon't
eitherifyouwanttoappearatleastremotelysafeandtrustworthy.Oh,and
respectableatall.Itendtogointheoppositedirectionandgivesuggestions
toward"IfIaccidentallytripoveralimit,whetherit'soneIshouldhave
knownornot,let'sbesureyouhavethingsyoucansay/dotosignalmeof
concernordiscomfort..."There'sabigdifferencebetweengettingariseout
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ofsomeoneandintentionallycrossingalineyou'refullyawareofbecause
"Heh,whynot?"
vishnu
Iabsolutelylovesilly,goofy,funnytrancesessions.Myhypnotistseemsto
thriveonturningthemostmundaneandoddthingsintoinductions,
sometimesIthinkit'sbecauseheknowsmybrainlovestobedistracted
thinkingaboutthehumorousaspectsandthenWHAMI'mintrance.
Posttrancesometimeswe'lltalkandlaughaboutwhathesaid.Sometimes
thethingsareonpurpose,sometimesthey'renot.Theveryfirsttrancewe
didhadapalmtreepopintothemiddleofaforestandseveralyearslaterwe
stilljokeaboutthat.
SometimeshethrowsinabsurdthingsjusttoseeifIreallyamtrulyintrance.
Sometimeshe'llmakehimselflaughandI'lllaughinternallyandthat'sagood
feeling.
Humorisn'ttheonlyemotionhe'sinvokedintrance.Lotsofotheremotions
happentooifyou'remaintainingthatcalm(boring)hypnotist
voice/demeanorandavoidingemotionintranceyou'remissingoutonALOT
inmyopinion.
Jokesoftenrelyonsubtlemeaningsandconnotations,intrancepeopledon't
getthat.SimpleritisbetteritisIguess.
Therestdependsontheperson,yourrapportetc.Asubjectwillnotdowhat
isperceivedaswrong.Butyoumighttweaktheveryperceptionofrightand
wrong(asyoucanineverydaycircumstanceswithoutformalhypnosis
anyway).Alsoitmightsometimesdiffersomewhatfromconsciouslyclaimed
ifthatisjustathinlayerofsocialconventionwithoutrealpersonalvalue
behinditandthereisenoughconfidenceandrapport,Iguess.
LostinthewoodsLostinthewoods
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Peopledon'talwaysrespondasyoumightexpect,learningto"read"other
reactionstoatleastasmalldegreeisparamounttohypnosis.Humor,
positive,happyorgoodnaturedapproachescanoffergreatbenefitsin
trance!
UnlesssomethingisVERYloud/shockingyouarelikelytojust"cruise"over
somethingyoufinddisagreeableintrance...youwillnotdoanythingyoufind
morallyreprehensible!
MrHypnosMrHypnos
Creoquelomejoresestarpreparadoparatodo.
IBigBadBird
Dependsonthecontext,sometimesHypnoguruisintentionallysillyto
perhapscausefurtherdistractionormakeabiggerpointorbecauseheis
hilarious.Youcanlaughandbedeepintrance,happensallthetime.
Myreactiontosomethingseriouslywrongistowakeup.Itwasalreadypart
ofmynormalreactionandhadbeentrainedandhardenedovertime.
Hypnogurulikestosaythathypnosisdoesn'tchangewhatyouwouldor
wouldn'tdoitisjustthatfewpeoplehaveagoodgrasponwhatthey
actuallyareopento.
Hypnosisisserious,andhilarious,andsexy.Noreasontolimitthings
HypnobruceHypnobruce
Thebestwaytoinvokeanyemotionalstateinyoursubjectistogotherefirst.
Whenyou(thehypnotist)areinaparticularemotionalstate,yourvoicetone,
temp,rhythmchange,yourbodylanguagechangesandthewordsthatcome
toyourmindchange.Thismakesiteasyforthesubjecttofollowalongandit
givesthemnonverbalcuesaboutwhatyouwantthemtodo.
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Iftheemotionalstatewhereyouwanttoendupisfarfromwheretheyare
now,breakthetripintosmallersteps.ApersoncanexperienceANY
emotionalstateinhypnosis.
Howpeoplereacttojokeswhenintrancedependsontheirexpectationsof
hypnosisifbothhypnotistandhypnoteearefamiliarwiththeideasthat
"thesubconsciousisveryliteral"and"thesubconsciousignoresnegatives"
thenthehypnoteewillrespondaccordingly,whileanotherpair,whereboth
expectthehypnoteetobeabletointerpretwhat'ssaidnormally,will
generallyfindthatthatworkstoo.Whenitcomestohypnosis,theplacebo
effecttrumpsalmosteverything(thelawsofphysicsprobablystillwin).
AsfordeliberatelymakingasuggestionthatIknowcrossesamajorline,
thereisone,andonlyonesituationwhereIwoulddothatandthatiswhenI
wantittofail,inordertoreassuresomeonethattheyaresafeunder
hypnosisandthenit'sadesperationmove,andonlyifI'mreasonablysure
thatitwillhavethedesiredeffect,thatI'mpreparedtooverrideifitdoesn't,
andthatthepointneedstobemade.Inthatsituation,I'llnotonlysuggest
somethingoutrageous,I'llalsosuggestitinawaythatmakessuretheyknow
it'scrossingaline,andgenerallyforcesthemtorejectitandI'llhave
everythingIcancrosscrossedwhileIdoit.It'salegitimategambit,butit's
oneIsaveforexceptionalcircumstancesratherthansomethingIuse
routinely.
MerlinMerlin
Thanksforalltheinsightfulresponses.IthinkImayventureintosomemore
relaxedsessionsanddelveintohumorabitmore,sinceitismorenaturalfor
me.
Asforthelimitsprobing,whatIwasthinkingaboutwasalongthelinesof
someofthefearplaythatIdo.Let'ssayforinstancethatmysubjecthassaid
shesawavideooncefeaturinganalhooks,andshetoldmethatwas
definitelynotsomethingshewantedtotry.
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Soinfearplay,Imightsaysomethinglike"todaywe'regoingtoexperimenta
littlewithananalhook"justasIamputtingagagintohermouth.OfcourseI
havenointentionofdoingit,butIwanttogettheemotionalreactionand
useitaspartofafearandtrustexercise.
IwonderedwhatwouldhavehappenedhadIsaidwhileshewasinatrance
somethinglike"Youwillbecomearousedwhenyoufeelananalhookgoing
intoyouranus".IguessI'lljusthavetoexperimentsome.:D
SunkissedPathosSunkissedPathos
Beingintrancedoesn'tchangewhoIamandhowIperceivethings.I'mstill
thesamenoseymotherfuckerI'vealwaysbeen.EvenwhenI'mtoldthatI
don'tneedtolistentotheconversationuntilI'mbeingaddresseddirectlyIdo
anyway.DuringthattimeifsomeonesayssomethingfunnyIlaughinside.I
feelmyselfsmile,butIcan'tbetoosurehowstronglymyaffectappearsto
others.PointofthematterisIstillfoundthingstobefunny.
ConverselyI'vealsohadsomeonestepovertheline.Itwasn'tamajor
violation,butitwasveryuncomfortableforme.Ididn'tcomeoutoftrance,
butIcompletelyrejectedthesuggestionsandplayeddeadfortherestofthe
session.IkindofretreatedandenjoyedtherelaxationuntilIwasbrought
out.AfteradayIwentbackandaddressedtheissue.Noharmdone.
MrNightmare
@Op:
Thanksforalltheinsightfulresponses.IthinkImayventureintosome
morerelaxedsessionsanddelveintohumorabitmore,sinceitismore
naturalforme.
ThisIthinkisthekey.Ifyoufindthatyoucommunicatewellthroughhumor
andevensilliness,thenbringingyourmosthonestandcompleteselfintothe
sessionwillcreateagreaterconnection.Usewhatyougot:)
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HypnoticNow
Let'ssayforinstancethatmysubjecthassaidshesawavideoonce
featuringanalhooks,andshetoldmethatwasdefinitelynotsomethingshe
wantedtotry.
Idon'tlikehowyouexplained"fearplay,"butIgetwhereyou'regoingwith
thenonhypnosis"fearplay"conceptyoumentioned,andiftheperson
knowsyou'rethetypetodosuch,THATIcanget.Consentingadultsandall
that.Notlikethatformofplaymyself,justunderstandit.
Thenyousaidthis:
IwonderedwhatwouldhavehappenedhadIsaidwhileshewasina
trancesomethinglike"Youwillbecomearousedwhenyoufeelananalhook
goingintoyouranus".IguessI'lljusthavetoexperimentsome.:D
Yourideaofhowtousesuchwithhypnosis...that'snotsaying"I'mgoingto
dothisthingI'mnotgoingtodotogetyourreaction,"whatthatisissaying
"Rememberthatlimityoutoldmeabout?I'mgoingtodowhatIwanttodo,
andI'mgoingto(tryto)makeyoulikeit."Or,summarized,"Fuckyourlimits,I
wanttodowhatIwanttodo."Whetheritworksornotdoesn'tmatter,thisis
anassholemove,evenifyoudon'tendupdoingjackwithanalhooks,asper
thisexample,asyou'retryingtochangetheirhardlimits.Notjust"beinga
sadist."Notjust"beingdominant."It'sbeinganunethicalasshole.AndIhope
thatifyouevertryit,yougetthepersonwakingupsuddenlyandslapping
youintheface.Andyes,Iknowpeoplewho'lldoexactlythatinthesituation
youdescribed.Becausemanywouldfeeloutrightviolatedbysucha
suggestionintheconditionsyoudescribed.
HypnoticNow
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Goddamncopy/pasteerrors.
Shouldhavestartedoffwiththefollowingquote...
Soinfearplay,Imightsaysomethinglike"todaywe'regoingtoexperiment
alittlewithananalhook"justasIamputtingagagintohermouth.Ofcourse
Ihavenointentionofdoingit,butIwanttogettheemotionalreactionand
useitaspartofafearandtrustexercise.
[thentherestofmypost...sorryaboutthat]
BrandyBrandy
Ifrapportistheintentandonehasstretchedtheopeningtothelimits,
addingalittlelubricationisalwayswelcome...
Natalia
MerlinMerlin
Thanksfortheinsightsfromallofyou.Idon'treallyneedlecturesonconsent
fromsomeonewhowasn'tevenbornyetwhenIstartedpracticingBDSM,
butIdoappreciatetherangeofexperiencestherespondentshavedescribed.
vishnu
Idon'treallyneedlecturesonconsentfromsomeonewhowasn'teven
bornyetwhenIstartedpracticingBDSM,butIdoappreciatetherangeof
experiencestherespondentshavedescribed.
Farbeitfrommetogiveaconsentandhypnosislecture(thosewhoknow
me,knowhowridiculousIthinkthewholeconsentissuehasbecomeinEH
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circles)buttobefair,you'vebeeninthisforumforsometimeandknowhow
thesethingsgo,soyoudidaskforitwhenyouputintheOPyourbitabout
blatantlyignoringhardlimitssimplybecauseitwasinhypnosisinsteadof
someothermodality.
MerlinMerlin
Yes,meamaximaculpa
teamfluffy
Generally,they'lleithertakethesuggestionliterallyoritwillcausesome
amountofcognitivedissonance.
Withsufficientdissonance,they'llspontaneouslypopoutoftrance.
Combinationsalsooccur.Soapersonmightpopoutoftranceandalsotake
thesuggestionliterally.
Yougetsimilarresultsifyoumakeanimpossiblecommand.Someconfusion,
somedissonance,andsometimesthey'llpopout.
Isuspectthatwithdeepertrances,thepersoncanstomachlargeramountsof
dissonancewithoutpoppingout.Butthat'sjustatheoryonmypart.And
creatingdissonanceinthiswayisgenerallycountertotherapeuticgoals.In
NLPwetalkaboutecologyandadissonantcommandisacommandthatit
notecological.Bettertosortoutandresolvepossibleobjectionsbefore
makingthatparticularcommand,butthat'smuchmoredifficultindeep
trancethanitisintypicalNLP.
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Hardtohypnotize
byRubberRodo
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Ivebeenfascinatedbyerotichypnosisforyears,andhaveattemptedtobe
hypnotizedbyseveralamateurbutexperiencedhypnotists,allwithout
success.AccordingtoonlinetestsIvetaken,Iamtooanalytical.Thetest
suggestedthatIbelessanalyticaltobesuccessfullyhypnotized.Ithinkthats
liketellingmetostartthinkingwithmyrightbraininsteadofmyleft.
RecentlyIwenttoawomancertifiedclinicalhypnotist,tohelpmehavemore
incentivetoexercise.Inshort,itwasawasteofnearly$300.Therewaszero
suggestion.Iwasnothypnotized.Herprofessionalcolleaguesaidhe
specializedinanalyticalsubjects,andofferedtogiveitatry(foranother
$285).Hesucceededingettingmetoastage3outof6level,andsuccessfully
plantedthesuggestion,whichhadmeofftothegymthenextday(andhas
continuedtowork).Forhisfinalsession,afterreinforcingtheexercise
suggestion,atmyrequest,hetriedtoputmeintodeephypnosis.Ipassed
theearlytestsofarigidarmandarmIcouldnotlift,butwhenheaskedfor
mypen,toldmeIcouldnotseeit,andthenaskedwhereitwas,Isawit
immediatelyandpointedtoit.Whenheaskedmemyname,aftertellingmeI
wouldforgetit,Iknewit.Assuggested,Iskippedsixwhencountingfromone
toten,butthenIcouldaddthreeandthree.Icouldstillfeelitveryeasily
whenhepinchedmeonthehand,whenhesuggestedIwouldnot.
Inotherwords,hecouldimplantasuggestion,butcouldnotgetmetoalevel
inwhichIcouldhavehallucinationsorfeelornotfeelsensations.AfterIwas
broughtout,Irememberedhimborrowingmywatch,whenheaskedme
whattimeitwas.Inotherwords,despitehiseffortsatmegoingdeeperand
deeperIcouldnot,eventhoughItriedtoobeyhissuggestions
Doesanyonehaveanysuggestionsontechniquesthatmightworkona
personlikeme?Noneoftheonlinetranceshaveeverworkedeither,soI
donteventhinkitisworthtryingphoneorotherdistanthypnosis.Aresome
subjectsjusttooanalyticaltohypnotizedeeply?Ireallywouldliketo
experienceanerotictrancealongthelinesofsomeofmyfetishes,butdont
wanttowastetimetravelingifitisuseless.
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Thefirstprofessionalhypnotist,andalltheothershaveusedthetotalbody
relaxationmethod,whilethehypnotistwhopartiallysucceededusedalook
uptillyoureyesbecomeheavyandclosemethod.
Responses(23of23)
SuperHypnotistSuperHypnotist
LookintohavingsomeoneuseaConfusionInductiontoputyouunder.Ihave
troublegoingintotranceaswellandthefewtimesIhavebeenabletodrift
deeplywereduetouseoftheconfusiontechnique.Thebasicideaisthat
insteadofasteadyandobviousdescentintotranceyouareguideddown
whilebeingslightlyaudiblyoverstimulated.Thatway,ifyouareover
analytical,likeme,yourmindislessabletoprocesseverymomentand
thereforcanbe'confused'intoactuallyrespondingtotheinductionrather
thanpickingitapart.
kelly222kelly222
IhaventtriedwithmanypeopleinpersonbutsometimesIfeelaboutashard
toputunderasyou.MindifIaskwhatdidfinallygetyouunder?
RubberRodRubberRod
@Kelly222,IthinkitwouldbeaDavidEllmantechnique,asIdescribeinthe
lastsentenceabove.@Twisted,IhavereadaConfusioninductionscript,and
itsoundedlikeitmightwork,butmyhypnotistdidn'tuseiteventhoughI
suggestedit.Iwilltrytofindsomeonewhowill.Thanks.
Enteringhypnosisisnolongeryourproblem.Youhavesucceededindoing
that.Theproblemisgettingdeepenoughtoexperiencewhatyouwant.If,as
yousay,youaretooanalytical,thenyouneedtofindawaytoturnoffthe
analyticalpartofyourmindlongenoughtoexperiencethephenomena.That
meanstryingseveraldifferentapproaches,possiblysometrickingofthe
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consciousmind(confusiontechniques,asnotedbySuperHypnotist)and
maybejustcatchingyouintherightframeofmind.Thegoodnewsisonce
youfigureitout,youshouldbeabletoreplicatetheresultsonafairlyregular
basis.
Iambettingyouoverthinkwhathappenswhilehypnotized(acommonthing
foranalyticalpeople).Youneedtofindawaytostopconsciouslythinking
andjustallowthingstohappen.Therearevarioustechniquesaquality
hypnotistcanusetohelpyoudothis,butitcouldtaketrialanderrortoreach
yourgoals.Havepatienceandpersistencetoreachyourgoals.
Somepeoplenevergettoaverydeepstate.However,withpracticeyou
shouldbeabletoachievesignificantlymorethanyouhavesofar.
lon85818lon85818
"Deep"doesnotmeanthesamethingforeveryone.Youareverysuggestible
inhypnosis,andthatisagoodthing.Icangoverydeep,buthavenever
experiencedavisualhallucination,positiveornegative.It'sallveryindividual.
PhotoBobPhotoBob
"Depth"itselfisnotasinglething,butratherasetofcorrelatedvariables...
Peoplewhoachievecertainbrainwavestatesaremorelikelytoperceive
themselvesatgreaterdepthoftrance,andpeoplewhoperceivethemselves
atgreaterdeptharemorelikelytorespondtosuggestions.
Don'tworryabouthowdeepyouare.Rather,rememberthatbeingin
hypnosisisaskilljustasguidinghypnosisisaskill,andthemoreyoupractice
thebetteryouwillget.Thereareanumberoftechniqueswhicharedesigned
aroundusingwhatyoudorespondtotogetresultsinareaswhereyouhave
haddifficultyrespondinginthepast.Thisisactuallyonmylistofhypnoskills
I'vegotacursoryunderstandingofbutnorealability...I.E.stuffIreallyneed
tostudy.Hmm.ToDotomorrow:ResearchUtilization.
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Greaterdepthwillbeachievedaspartofdevelopingtheskillofbeing
hypnotized,butthatmightcomeafteramajorbreakthroughinmemory
manipulationandhallucination.
BrandonBrandon
Asstatedbythepreviousposter,hypnosisisaskill.Onethatsomepeople
taketoquitenaturally,andotherstaketimeandstillothersnevergetreally
goodatit.Hallucinations,takeaprettydeepleveloftrance,andnegative
hallucinationsseemtotakeabitdeeperstill.Withpractice,ifyoureallywant
to,youshouldbeabletogetthere.Youstatedinyouroriginalpost~
Inotherwords,despitehiseffortsatmegoingdeeperanddeeperIcould
not,eventhoughItriedtoobeyhissuggestions
Youadmittedthatyoucouldnotgodeeper,thatisfine.Thatsaysthatyou
wereasdeepasyouwantedtogo,orfeltsafeingoing.Onceyouare
hypnotized,youdon'tsurrenderyouwill,unlessyoureallywantto,butthat
isanotherstoryaltogether.Rather,youwentunderdeeplyenoughto
accomplishyourstatedpurposewhichwastohelpyouexercisemore.
Missionaccomplished,youranalyticalmindknewjusthowdeepyouNEEDED
togo,andthatiswhatitallowed.Itsoundslikeyouhadasuccessful
experienceandarenowabitdisappointed,becauseyoudidnotexceedyour
statedparameters.Ifyouwishtoexperiencemore,thenyouwillneedto
resetyourgoals,andtakeitfromthere.Ifhallucinationsiswhatyouwant,
setthatasthegoal,andgoforit.
HypnoSirHypnoSir
Aseveryonehassaidabove,depthcanbemeasureddifferentlyforeach
personandwhileyoumayachievegreatdepth,notallsuggestionwillstick
andorplayoutexactlyhowitseems,analyticalaside,ifyousimplyarenot
imaginative,thengettingyoutoimagineahallucinationisawasteoftime.It
canbeachieved,butifimaginationisnotsomethingnaturallyachievedwith
youthenitneedsdifferentstatesofsuggestiontoawakentheimagination!
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Withdepthcomesstrongersuccessinregardtoongoingchangesand
suggestion.Practiceisthekeytocontinue,themoreyoubecomefamiliar
withit,theeasierlettinggobecomes.
Asothershavealsomentioned,confusionaltechniques,Iusethemwith
everyclienteveniftheyarenotanalytical,askingsomeonetostopthinking
instantlycausesthemtothink.It'samatterofonceintherelaxedstateto
thereforedistracttheconsciousstate,tryingtodistractaconsciousmind
requiresathoughtprocessandmethodofconfusion,yes,inordertoconfuse
youtohelpyoustopthinking,inatrancetheyfirstlyneedtohaveyouthink!
GlasnervenGlasnerven
Assomeonewho'sabitontheanalyticalsidemyself,Ihavetowonder,just
howisonesupposedtostopthinkingwhilestillconcious?:P
UltimateWarriorUltimateWarrior
Depthisn'taconceptthatallhypnotists,professionalorotherwise,accept.
Nordoallpeoplewhoexperiencehypnosisnecessarilyexperienceevery
suggestioninthesameway.Thatsaid,theresomeinductionsthattendto
workwellforanalyticalpeople.Confusionisoneofthose.Formaximum
effectiveness,suggestionsneedtobedesignedandphrasedwithanumberof
thingsinmind.Amongthosearehowanalyticalapersonis,whatheorshe
hopestoachieveandwhy(includingthefactorscontributingtothosegoals)
andtheperson'sprimaryrepresentationalsystem.So,I'drecommendlooking
forahypnotistwhounderstandsandutilizesthosethings.
UnimaginableUnimaginable
Thefirstthingtoknowisthatifyoutrytoohardyouwillnevergettothe
hypnoticplaceyoudesire.Yourlevelofinterestandneedtoanalyzecouldbe
thecauseofyouusingtoomuchofyourconsciousmind.Butofcoursebeing
analyticalthat'syournaturalinclination.
Asstatedbeforesomeonewithexperienceusingtheconfusiontechnique
shouldbesuccessful.Theother"surefire"techniqueisusingentrainment
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glasses.It'sunfortunatethatyoualreadytriedaprofessionalandlostyour
money.Ifanyofyouranalyticalfriendshavehadsuccesswithahypnotist,
youmighttrythem.
OtheroptionsareNLP,whichisdesignedtomovearoundtheconsciousmind
andEricksonian.Ifyoutrythelatter,makesurethatpersonwastrainedby
someonewhoknowswhathe/sheisdoingsuchasagraduateofthe
EricksonianInstitute.
Thelastoptionissomeonewhoisreallygoodwithaquickinduction.Ifyou
findareallyskilledpersonatthatitwouldbedonefartooquickforthe
consciousmindtoevenknowwhathappened.
LADYGAGALADYGAGA
Myinstinctivereactionisthis.You'vepaidalotofmoneytoprofessionalsand
you'vefoundthatyoucanachievetrancestates.That'sgood.Asyouare
"analytical,"howabouttakinganNLPHypnotist'scoursenow?Livetraining,
I'mthinking.
Yougetalotofpractice,yougettolearnthetricksofthetradefromyour
endsoyoureallyknowwhatgoesonandwhat'shappening.Youlearnacool
newlifeskillandwillbecomeamuch,muchbettertrancesubjectasabye
thebye.
Thenyouaremuchbetterplacedtochoseahypnotistforyourself,butyou
canalsocreateyourowninductionsaswellandyou'replayingona
completelydifferentgameboard.
MindFlowMindFlow
Analyticalhey,awesome,Myapproachwouldbetomakeyoustudyuponall
thehypnosisliteratureoutthereanddesignyourownhypnoticinduction
thatyouknowwillworkforyou.Thenuseitonyou.......itwillworkasyou
havedesignedittoworkonyouandhaveconfidencethatyouhavechosen
therightinductionetcandhaveprobablybuiltitaroundatheoretical
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frameworkthatappealstoyouandyouknowthatofallthetheoretical
frameworksoutthereistherightoneforyou.
Simple.
MindFlowMindFlow
Wellsimpleformeanyway,Ilikeitwhenmyclientsdoalltheworkforme.
resistance.....whatresistance
Regards,
Magick
WaldoWaldo
@opYougotalotofvalidanswersandadvice.Iwillechoafewofthethings
statedandtellyouwhatIknowhelpedmeandafewothersthatIknow
about.Themoreyoupractice,theeasieritgets.Soonethingtotryishave
someoneyoutrustteachyouselfhypnosis,orgetanaudiofilethejust
containsaninductionandafewfeelgoodsuggestions.Betteryet,haveone
madebysomeoneyoutrust.Evenbetter,recordityourself.Thenpractice,
practice,practice.
Theotherelementthatreallymattersonceyougettoagoodstateistrust.If
youdon'thaveadequatetrustinthehypnotistitwillbehardtoreachalevel
ofsuggestibityandyouwillbesuspiciousofthesuggestionsgiven.Finda
hypnotistthatyou"clickwith"andtakethetimetodeveloparapport.Thatis
easierforsomethanothers,butwellworththetime.Andofcourseaswas
statedabove,feelingthatthehypnotistsharesyourgoalsisimportant.
BoldBaboonBoldBaboon
Ifyouhavetrouble'shuttingoff'yourconsciousmindandfindyourself
overthinkingeverything,useittoyouradvantage.Don'ttrytoshutoffyour
mind,trytohyperfocusitononespecificaspectofyourexperience,one
thought,oneimage,whatever.Acknowledgewhenyourmindshiftsto
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somethingelse,redirectittofocusingonthatonesinglething,andjustlet
yourmindbecomefurtherandfurtherengagedwithyoursingular
experience.Therearemanymanywaystogetintoatrance.
AnotherthingI'malwayssuggestingis,figureoutyourlearning
style/modalityandtrytoapproachhypnosisfromthatangle.Apaintermay
wanttovisualizethings,theauditorylearnermaybecomecaughtupinthe
pace,pitch,cadenceofsounds,etc.
Ihavealsohadahardtimegoingintotranceuntilfairlyrecently.theseare
someofthethingsthathelpedme.
BASICBASIC
..eventhoughItriedtoobeyhissuggestions.
Wellifitdoesn'tworkanyway,mightaswellstopdoingthat?!:)Inother
wordsstepawayfromthewheel.Aslongasyouhavethesenseof'you
doingsomething'usuallynothingmuchinterestingwillhappen.
It'sreallyhardtoimagineorevencomprehend,how'thingsjusthappen',
whenYOUdon'tdothem,butyou'lllearntotrustdifferentpartsofyourself
eventually.Maybeyou'llstillconstantlyquestionit,maybesomedayyou'll
figureitouttoacertainlevel,butitdoesnothavetomakesensetowork.
Confusioninductions,iftheywork,arebasicallytryingtocreatethesituation,
whereyouwouldcomeupwiththeideaof'fuckit,alltheanalysiswillgetme
nowhere,let'snotdothatforawhileandjustseewhathappens'.That's
usuallythefirstchanceforsomethinginterestingtohappen.
BrandyBrandy
Therearefolksintheworldforwhom"authority"isparadoxically
contradicted...
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Forhypnosis/trancetoworkonemusttrusttheoperatorsuchthatone
allowsthetrustedindividuala"level"ofcontroloutsidetherealmof
consciousunderstanding...Lackingthat;tranceiswhatyoumakeofit...
(Truthtold,tranceisalwayswhatyoumakeofit...ornot.)
Natalia
RubberRodRubberRod
Thankyoueveryonefortakingthetimetoreadmypostandofferingmay
goodandusefulsuggestions.Letmefillinsomeofthethingswhichmayhave
helpedclarifymysituation.
Severalyearsago,withagroupoffriends,(whoarelongsincegone),Iread
upquiteabitonhypnosis,andIsuccessfullyhypnotizedseveralofmy
friends,maleandfemale.Therewassomemilderoticsuggestions.Noone
waseversuccessfulinhypnotizingme,andaccusedmeofresisting.Iwas
unawareofanalyticalmindsatthatpoint.
Inmymostrecentexperienceswiththeclinicalhypnotists,Iwentinwanting
tobehypnotized.Itwasinaveryprofessionaloffice,withreclinerchair,and
thefirst30minutesorsowasspentlearningeachother'sbackgrounds,goal,
andwhattoexpect.Idonthaveany"issues"withtrustorabuseoranything.
Anyway,thefirsthypnotistsimplyfailedcompletelytoinduceanytrance,
anditwasnothingmorethanalectureonwhyexerciseisgoodforme.Itold
herafteronedaythatitwasafailure.Shedidn'treallybelieveme.The
secondsessionaweeklater,atthemomentthelecturebegan,andIrealized
Iwasnothypnotizedanymorethanthefirsttime,Isimpleopenedmyeyes
andtoldherweweregoingnowhere.Shegotmadandoffended,but
eventuallyshegothercolleaguetoagreetotry.
IdiscussedwithhimbeforehandthatIwantedtoincreasemydesireto
exercise,butthatIalsowantedtoexperiencehypnosislikeinstageshows.
(HeandhiscolleaguedoaGratedstageshowaroundthiscommunityof
160,000,althoughIhadneverseenthemperform).Anyway,hegotme
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under,knowingthatIwasanalytical.Hesuccessfullyimplantedthedesired
suggestion,andthentriedafewmorethings,allofwhichIhavedescribed
aboveashavingfailed)Thesecond,reinforcingsessionwentquicklyandafter
beingbroughtout,webothagreedtotryforsomedeeperhypnosis,whichhe
gradesonsixlevels,withmebeingat#3forthesuggestion,and#6being
abouttotallyunder.IthinkIwasascompletelyascooperativeaspossible,
butwejustnevermadeitpast#3.
Ihavereadtheconfusioninductionscriptandthinkitmightworkwell.But
sincehedidnotwanttouseit,Ishallhavetotrytofineoneofmyarmature
friendstoreadittome.(Idon'tthinkIcanrecorditmyself,asIthinkitneeds
someinteractiontobesuccessful,andI'mnotsureIwouldtrustmyown
voice.)
Inanycase,myonlyreal"issue"havingbeenaddressed,Idon'tthinkIcango
backtotheprofessionalforfurthertreatment.Iwillhavetotrytofinda
friendinourmunchcommunitywhocanhelpme.Idoknowatleastoneguy
whoItrust.
I'llletyouallknowhowitworksout.Thanksagain.
AnyonewhowantstotrymebyphoneiswelcomebutthisisNOTa
solicitationforahypnotist.
HandyRandHandyRand
Hey,
Wellamonthhaspassed,andImcurioushowyoursuggestionhasworked?
Haveyoucontinuedtoexcercise?
I'dlikeyoutoconsiderafewthingshere.
First,yourfirsthypnotistseemstohavebeena"onetrickpony".They
probablylearnedanumberofhypnosistechniquesinschool,buttheyfell
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intousingthesameone,andwhentheyweren'tsuccessful,theyquit.Iuse
instantinductionswithanalyticalpeople,anditseemstoworkfine.
Second.allhypnotistsshouldlearnthistrick.Ialwaystellallmysubjectsthat
Ihaveaverybigego.IfeelhurtanddisappointedwhentheypeopleIwork
witharenthypnotised,soevenifyoudontfeelhypnotised,fakeitandact
hypnotised.Iftheyagree,itblocksouttheanalyticalsfromrejectingthe
hypnosisanddoinglikeyoudidandananouncingitsnotworking.Hypnosis
canbeverysubtleatthestart,andyoualwayshavetheselftalkgoingonin
yourhead,nomatterhowdeeplyyouarehypnotised.Nowreadthatagain,
youalwayshavethatselftalkgoingonwhenyouarehypnotised.Sotostay
hypnoised,youmustresisttheurgetoopenyoureyesandannounceyou
arenthypnotised.Hypnosisdoesntblankyourmind,youcontinuetoreason
whenyourhypnotised.
Last,beinghypnotisedisaskill.Themoreyouarehypnotised,themore
suggestionsyouaccept,thebetteryougetatacceptingsuggestions.Yousay,
youhavelearnedhypnosisinthepast,findafriendandhavethemlearnwith
youandpractice.
Isuspectyoudidprettywellwithyourfirstsuccessfulsession.Havingbeen
hypnotisedthefirsttimemeansyouwillgoundermuchmoreeasilythenext.
Ithinkfindinganotheranateurtoplaywithmightbethebestthing.
Similartoyourselfi'manalytictypeandfoundthatcertaininductionsarenot
aseffectiveformyself.Myexperienceachievingahypnoticstateisdoneby
you,nottooyou.Thehypnotistisinawaylieatourguide(lotofgoodones
andbadsones).
ihaveacquiredexperienceinHypnosis,NLPandothertechnologies(i.e.
Subliminalprogramming)forover20+yearsnow.Myintereststartedinitially
aspersonaldevelopmentandhassinceincreasedintoeroticaspects.
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Understandyourfrustrations,formeittookquitealotoftimetofinda
Hypnotist(certified)whomicouldhavecompletetrustin.Inmycaseifound
someonewhomeroticaspects(i.e.brainwashing)andhealth.inowtendto
gounderveryquicklyforHer.
Priortomeetingher,iusedtrialanerror(findingaHypnotist)combinedwith
repetition(i.e.listeningtorecordedsession(2030+overaperiodoftime)).
Forhabitchangesgiventimeifoundsubliminalprogrammingfilesworked
verywellasitremovedtheanalyticaspectworkedovertime.
Asforconfusionmethod,formeifinditextremelyirritatingduetothelack
oflogicinthescript.Ultimatelymakingmemorefrustratedthenrelaxed
etc...Althoughifiwasjuststartingout,iseehowthismightwork(tohis,his
own)Myinhibitorwaslackoftrustwiththehypnotist(specificallyerotic
ones).Assuchtendedtoliketolistentorecordedfiles(sothaticouldreview
thefilecontentprior,etc...).
Thewebisamazing,althoughsometimesmakesyoufeellikeyouaredrinking
fromafirehose.Therearevariouswebsiteseroticwisethatofferfreeand/or
Lowcostaudiosallowingyoutoacquiredifferentaudiofilesfromvarious
hypnotists.Alternativelyyoucantrysomeofthepopular(moresuccessful
erotichypnotists).Filescommonlyrangeinpricefrom$15to$45dollars.this
statediwouldsuggestyoustartwiththestaplesiteswhichgiveyouafavor
todeterminewhatworks&whatdoesnot.
GuessingyouhavebeentothecommononeI'mthinkingof.Althoughifyou
messagemeiwillprovideafewthatienjoyedhistorically.
RubberRodRubberRod
Update:ThesuccussfulTistgavemearecodingofthesuccessfulsession,
whichIhaveusedtoreinforcetheexercise,andsofar,I'mkeepingtoit.And
mindyou,Ihateexercise.It'swork.
Thankstoeveryonefortellingmethatitisme,butI'mnotalone.Thisisa
ratheramazinggroupofhelpfulpeople.WishIlivedclosertosomeofyou.
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PhotoBobPhotoBob
Hmm.IwonderifIcouldborrowacopyoratranscriptofthat?Icouldreally
usesomehelpwiththeexercisemotivationthing...
___________________________________
Ideasonreversingpreviouslyhypnotizedsubs
byEvilJokero
Doesanyonehaveanideaonhowtobestapproachreversingasubsselfsissy
training.
I'mnewandjustjoined...onanothersiteIwasapproachedbyasubwho
wentthroughselfsissytrainingtosatisfyhiswife.
Theyhavesincesplitandhehasbeentryingtoundowhathasbeendone.
Hewantstoremainsubmissive,butnotneedtobetouchedbymentofind
sexualgratification,release.
IrecommendedaDomme,ofcourse,butthequestionhadmeperplexed.
Itsortofgoeswiththetroublethosewholiveastheoppositegenderfor
sometime,thendecidetheynolongerwantto.
Responses(24of24)
URANUSURANUS
IfIeversplitwithagforsubthatIhypnotizeIhypnothemoncemoreand
repeats"Allprevioushypnosiscommandsaregonefromyourmind."
Spiritbear23Spiritbear23
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firstoff,itneedstobesomethingthatthesubjectwantstohappen,onall
levels.ifadeeppartofhimwantstostayasissy,thatshouldbeworkedon
first.oncethat'sgoodtogo,thenworkwiththemaingoal.ithinkitneedsto
bemorethansuggestiontho;withinhismind,heneedstodosomethingto
symbolizemakingthechange.seeinghimselfwalkingawayfromavisualized
sissyversionofhimself,forinstance...makingthatchoiceforhimself.
MasterjohnMasterjohn
Thatisgoodifitisafriendlybreakup.Ifitisnastyandhedoesnotknowwhat
commandsandhowtheywereused.Hemightwanttoseekprofessional
help.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
How'sthatwork?@URANUS
Itriedtogobackandcopy/pastetheemailIgot,butIapparentlydeletedit.
(horriblehabitofmine,Ideletealltextstoo)
Anyway,accordingtotheemailhestartedwatchingsissyhypnosisvideoshe
foundonline.Thenhejoinedblogsaboutselfsissification.Hedidallthisto
satisfyhiswife,butafterayearhecouldnolongergetoffwithhiswife.
Heneedsaman'stouch,penistogetoffnow.
HewantedtoknowifIhadexperiencewiththisandifIcouldhelp.
IgatheredhiswifeisnotaProDommeandthatotherthanfollowingadvice
hereadonlinetheydidnotseekanyexperiencedguidanceduringhis
transformation.
IagreewithURANUS.
I'veonetimehadtheunfortunateburdenofdealingwithquiteafairnumber
ofpeoplethatwereinfluencedbyaslueofnegativesuggestionsfromthe
sameperson.
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Awordofadviceinthissituation,ifyouarenotexperiencedinthismanner,
orhavenoconfidenceinyourownabilitytodoitIwouldsuggesthaving
thatpersonasksomeonewithmoreexperience.Theroadtohellispaved
withgoodintentions,andyoumightcausemoredamagereversingapersons
suggestionsthanwhatisalreadydone.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
Letmeconfirm...IhaveNOINTENTIONtohelpthispersonmyself.
IsuggestedhefindaDommethatisexperiencedwithhypnosisanddoesnot
haveonlysissysubs.
@HypnoKing222Igatherhewentthroughthisselfsuggestionstechniques
foratleastayearstime.
SoasIambeginningtoventureintotherealmoftakingonsissysubs,Ihave
becomecuriousastowhatonewoulddowiththisproblem.PerhapsImay
comeacrossthiswithasubofmyown.
Personally,I'dtakethemback,similartowhat@URANUSsuggested,but
insteadofleavingitatthat,I'dtakehimtoaspacewherehecouldlookatall
thehypnoticsuggestionsthathehave,sothathecanchoosetoerasethem
orkeepthem,ashechooses,alsoleavingthisstateopentohim,sohecan
comebackandmakemoresuchchangesifhewants.Ialsomakesurethathe
specificallyremembersthisexperiencesothathe'sopenlyawareofallthese
choices.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
Soregardlessofwhodidwhatorhow...
Imaybeabletogetthesubtogiveupthethingstheydecidedtheydonot
want,byrevisitingthemethod?
Theyjustneedtobeinaspacewheretheyknowtheyhaveachoice?
@ShockTreatment
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EvilJokerEvilJoker
@MistressEvilahypnosis/subliminalvideotoreverseit?
Well....byallmeans,pleasedoso.
Perhapstherearemanypeoplewhowishtochangetheirposition.
AsaDom,Ican'timaginewhyamanwouldwishtobesubmittedtoanother
mantopleasehiswoman.
Orwhythewoman,ifsheloveshim,wouldwantthat...
Sinceitssoeasyforamateurstosissytheirhusband...aeasytoaccessvideo
toreverseitisonlyfair.
MikeLikeMikeLike
Ihaveheardfromseveralpeoplethatyoucannotbehypnotizedtodo
somethingagainstyourwill.Ifthatistruethenthehypnosisthathehadto
turnhimintoasissythatwantsandneedsanothermanspenistogetoffis
whathereallywantsthehypnosisjusthelptobringtheoutofhis
subconscious.Beingasissycocksuckeriswhatheisheshouldjustlivewith
it.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
@MikeLikethatisridiculous.
Apersoncannotbemadetodosomethingagainsttheirwillduringhypnosis,
buttheyonlyneedasmallamountofwantordesireforittostick.
Iwanttokidnapachic,butmymoralskeepmefromdoingit.
DuringhypnosisIcan'tbemadetodoit,butifIwastoundergo
hypnotherapyforalongtime...buildingmydesiretokidnapandrape.I
wouldmostlikelysuccumbtomydesire.
Thismanhasadesire,hewishestoforfeitit.Nooneshouldtellhimheneeds
tojustaccepthisposition.
/meraisesaneyebrow
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soyourathief?
damnitthatshouldread"thief/conperson"
HypnoScream
Plusreally...iftheyareasalespersonandhavenotthoughttostudyhypnosis
andNLPitisnotreallystealingfromthemortheiremployer...moreacaseof
educationbymakingittoopainfulforthemtonotlearn:).Callitevolution
:D.
Also,whoeversaidhypnoticsuggestionswearoffafterawhileiftheyarenot
usedthisisonlyeverthecaseifthehypnotistdoesnottakethesimple
precautionofmakingthemselfreinforcing.Iusebothkinds,asIamsure
manyotherhypnotistsdo.
Asforremovingthesuggestions,anycompetenthypnotistshouldbeableto
dothis.
@MistressEviland@EvilJokericoncurwithyourstatementsregardingthat
acapableNLP/Hypnotistiscapableofconvincingapersonofdoingalmost
anythinggivenenoughtime.
Asforthesituation@EvilJokerithinkyouhavealreadyidentifiedyourown
solution.Thepreferred/cleanestsolutionistheindividualwhomplantedthe
seeds/suggestionscreateatape/audiofilethatmadehimintoasissy.
Alternativelylocatingahypnotisttoreverseorchangehisdesiresbackto
desiringWomyn.Therearevariousfreesites(hypnotists)thatofferfreefiles
thatcouldaidalternativelybuyafilefromaFemalehypnotist.
Inanycaseifittrulywasyearsofprogrammingitwilltakesometimeto
adjustthesituation.Soiwouldsuggestacquiringafileofthesessionwhich
canberepeatedoveranextendedperiod.
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iwouldprovideafewrecommendations,althoughnottosureifi'mallowed.
Ifhecan'tfindahypnotisthe(cantrust)yourwelcometomessageme.
HypnoScream
@slave78492itdoesnothavetotakesometimetoundoyearsof
conditioning...itjusthastobedoneintherightway.
Myquestionwouldbehowgoodcouldshebeifshecouldnotprogramhim
insuchamannerthatshewantedtokeephim?Mysuspicionisnotvery,
whichprobablymeansitisnothardtoundo.
EvilJokerEvilJoker
IhaveundergoneintenseNLPmyself.
Itooka16hourfor3daysseminarandhavelifechangingresults,becauseof
it.
Theymaybeabletobeundonenysimplylivingmylife,butmostchangesI
wishtokeep.SoIknowitcanbedone.
Thisguywantedtomakehiswifehappy,intheprocessheconvincedhimself
heneedstodressprettyandsuckcock.I'mprettysureeverysissyhypnosis
videowouldtellyouthat.
Whoknowsifnotbeingabletoperformwithhiswifeanymorecontributed
tohisbreakup?Thataloneshouldbecauseforsomeonetohelphim,evenif
onlyforafee.Weknowpeoplehavetoeat.
hypnomaster69hypnomaster69
Anyopenedmindedhypnotherapistcanhelpthispersonwiththereissue.,I
wouldnotadvisesomeonewithsuchareenforcedhypnotictransformation
intherepersonalitytojustgoseejustanyhypnotistbutacertified
hypnotherapist,Ihavehadsimilarcasesandtheycanprovetobemorethen
justasimplereversalofsuggestionsoraformaofboxtherapy,therehas
beenalotofgoodadviceintheotherpostsandthiswaswhatIhadtosay
abouthopeyourfriendfindsthehelpheneeds.
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DoggyBoneDoggyBone
Iwillsaythatmymasterswitchedaroundmysexualorientationinthematter
ofseconds(samewithotherprettyheavystuff)...SoImprettysurethat
undoingthississytrainingthingshouldbepossible...Justfindagood
hypnotist!ButIguessthatinitselfmighttakealotoftime:pIvecomeacross
manyflakeysocalledhypnotists..
GoddessMarquesaGoddessMarquesa
@MistressEvilIlookforwardtoyouryoutubevid.
Idon;tknowyoubut.....itappearstoMeyouhaveagoodheartandalotof
talentandknowledge.Ohandyourverypassionateabout...somethings.Yes?
:)
HypnoSirHypnoSir
Mytwocentsworth!
Plentyofgoodanswersaboveandcertainlylotstoconsider.
thosememorieswillbecomeopenendedpossibleproblems!Togointodetail
wouldtakefartoolongbutifthechangewasactualchangedonewithproper
conditioning,thendespitewhatpeoplebelieveregardingitwilljust'wear
off',it'snotassimpleasthateither.
He'dneedafewsessionsdeprogrammingasIthinksomepeoplecallitand
thisinasenseissimilartoconditioning,onlyinareverseaspectandusually
muchquickertodo!
Themindisanamazingthingandachievingchangecanbeequallyamazing.
Mostpeopledooftenmentionthenotbeingabletodothingsyoudon'twant
todostory,butpersuasiontobelieveyouwanttodosomethingisactually
easierthanpeoplebelieve,especiallyifsomeonealreadyhasaninterestin
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hypnosisandthewholemythoflettingahypnotistcontrolyouthinkabout
it.
Anyway,hopefullythathelpsandyourfriendgetshisproblemsorted!
DoggyBoneDoggyBone
thosememorieswillbecomeopenendedpossibleproblems!
Justonequestion...andIhopeIwontsoundignorantasI'mnotahypnotist.
Whydoesheneedtoremovethesuggestionsatall?Orevendeprogram..?
Cantthesuggestionsjustbeoverriddenbynewones?
Somethinglike:Youusedtolikeguys,butnowyouarefindingthatyoustart
tolikegirlsandguysarebecominglessandlessattractive..
Orwouldthatjustclutterhimwithtoomanysuggestions/triggers?
HypnoSirHypnoSir
It'snotabadquestionatallanditcomesdowntopreferenceIguessatthe
timeofthepersonattemptingtohelphim.
Obviouslytherearemanyfactorstoincludeandmorespecificallytalkingone
ononewithhimwouldhelpgetabetterunderstandingfromhisperspective,
thoughiftherewasanypartofthecurrentconditioninghewasn'tenjoying,
insteadof'dealing'withitandjust'piling'moreontopofit,wouldbe
suppressingtheinitialproblemandjustburyingitdeeper.
LikeIsaidthough,asidefromthebriefdescriptionabove,wedon'treally
knowhowexactlyhewant'stobehelpedandwhatisorisn'tongoing
problemsforhim.
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Sotherearemanydifferentscenariosabletohelphimandmanydifferent
opinionswithmanydifferenttechniquesthebestnewscomingfromall
scenariosisthatitcanbe'fixed'invariousdifferentways!
Validquestionthoughsowelldone!
@snow_kitten
Iftherearesuggestionsactivelyreinforcingtheunwantedbehaviour,then
neutralisingtheminsomewayisausefulthingtodo,justaswithanyother
"bad"habits.Whetheryouexplicitlyremovethem,modifythem,orsimply
givealatersuggestionthatconflictsandletthemresolveit(whichcanbe
unpredictablesometimespeoplewillgowiththeexistingsuggestion;other
timesthenewone;othertimestryfollowingbothandgetsnarledupeither
onacasebycasebasis,orgoingwiththesamebehaviouracrosstheboard)
Suggestionsthatconflictwithaperson'scurrentrealitytendtowearoff,but
suggestionsthatalignwithaperson'scurrentrealitycanstopbeing
suggestionsandbecomehabitsthingstheydonotjustbecausethey've
beenhypnotisedintoit,butbecausethat'sjustwhattheydotheeffectsof
thosesuggestionswilllastindefinitelyuntilthatperson'srealitychanges
again.
_________________________
Grounding
byLadyLindao
Tothehypnotists:Doyoumakesurethesubjectisalwaysgrounded?i.e.feet
flatonthefloor.Iamcuriousifthereisadelayinthesubjectcomingoutof
hypnosiswhennotgrounded.
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Responses(14of14)
Taketurns3412Taketurns3412
Nope,useareclinerchairinMyoffice.
ItisafactoftheartofHypnosisthatthesubjectishighlysuggestiblefora
timeaftertheyemergefromtrance.
Henceitbehoovesthetisttokeeptheconvoonapositivevein,andalways
upbeat,andreinforcingtheworkjustdone.
Asforthedelayportionofthequestion...
Itisnotcommonbut,somesubjectsdon'twanttocomeoutoftrance,and
willresistbeingcounteduporout,howeveryouwanttodotheemergence.
DaveElman,coverswhattodoinhisbook"Hypnotherapy".Idon'thavethe
pageandparagraphhandy.Thereareeffectivewaystoovercomethat
problem.
LadyLindaLadyLinda
@taketurnsAppreciatetheinputnotsurewhatthe2ndpartofthe1st
commentrelatestogrounding?
LadyLindaLadyLinda
"howthe2nd"
thesecondpartisthatyouhavenowreturnedthemtotheuprightposition
oftherecliner.andtheyareonceagain"grounded"soyouwanttocontinue
yoursuggestionsinapositivelinewithwhatyouhavealreadydonewhile
theywereintrance,tocontinuetoreinforcewhatyouhavealready
suggested.(Unlessofcourseyoucreatedamnesiaforsomethingorportion
ofthetrance).
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Ifyoucan'tfindacopyofthebook,PMMeandIwillcheckMyinventory,I
maystillhaveacopyonhand.
Idon'tthinkithasthatmucheffectonit'sown.Youcanuseanythingof
course,sneakinginafewsuggestions..Alsoadjustingbodypositionsto
suggestions/inductions/emergingbutit'srarelyasimpleequation,depends.
NaughtHypnotist
Somehow,IrecallinHocusPocusHypnosis(traditional/nonNLPor
Ericksoniantraining),thatfeetarebestflatonthefloor.Iwillgivethisbitof
direction,aswellasaskingthepersontonotcrosstheirlegs,attheankles,if
lyingonabed,aspartofdevelopingcompliance.Aslongasthepersonisas
comfortableaspossible,Idon'treallycarehowtheydoit.Besides,mostof
mynontherapeutichypnosisisdoneconversationally,oftencovertly,andI'm
notabouttomentionrearrangingbodyposition.
Theonlyadvantageinhavingtheperson'sfeetflatonthefloorandtogether
isthatyoucanobservetheirlegmusclesloosenupastheyrelax.Otherthan
that,"grounding"isnotnecessary.Itdoesnotaffectenteringorleaving
trance.
MrNightmare
@HypnauightytistpointsoutcompliancewhichIthinkisavaluableaspectof
instructingthesubjecttogetintoaspecificposition.Thebenefitofthis
particularpositionofseated,feetflatonthefloor,uncrossed,facingforward
isthatmostpeoplecandothis,itiseasytoevaluatebothwhetheryouare
doingitanditisprettystablebutflexible(i.e.changesinyourbodyposition
beyondyourlegsarenotreallyhinderedbyit.Feetforwardasbodylanguage
suggestsapersonisfocusedonwheretheyareandonwhotheyaretalking
with(thattheyarenttryingtoescape)andtosomeextentitallowsforan
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easywayforthesubjecttoevaluaterelaxation(ifyourelaxyourlegsthereis
alittlemorepressureonyourfeetastheyholdmoreoftheweight).
Itmayverywellbeculturalinthatwearetaughttositthiswayinschool.
Idon'tconsideritessential.Iamhappytohypnotizesomeoneinprettymuch
anyposture.Justhappensthisoneisgoodformanycommoninductions.I
don'tthinkthepsychologicalvalueoftheparticularpositionoutweightthe
valueofadaptingtoapersonsneed,thesituation,thepurposeofthe
hypnosis.GiventhatIhavetrancedpeopleinvariousstatesofsuspension,I
don'tthinkthatconnectiontothegroundisabasisforthequalityofthe
tranceexceptinthatitisoneattributeoftheexperience.
BullBoyNJBullBoyNJ
nodifferenteitherway.Itsthetechniquenotthepositionthatwilldetermine
theoutcome
LadyLindaLadyLinda
@taketurns,Igottheelectronicversion,thanks.Thanksallforclarifying...
andnow...ontosomenewpositionsfortrance!;)
teamfluffy
Feetflatonfloor?No,notnecessarily.Dependsonwhatwe'redoingbut
generallyIdon'tpaymuchattentiontoit.
Grounding?Orcentering?That'sacompletelydifferentissue.Andyes,Ido
groundwithmypartnerbeforeritual,beforeplay,beforescenes,before
sexualhealingsessions,andsometimesbeforeordoingcertainkindsofwork.
Idon'tnecessarilygroundforbasicNLPorhypnosis,though.NLPhassome
better/alternateapproachesforthislikesettingupfallbackanchors.
Ericc
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Isometimesaskthesubject(oftenacycnic)tomovehislimbsintonew
positionstoseehowcarefullyhehasbeenlisteningandobeyingmy
inductioninstructions.Ifhedoes2030thingsinarow,hiscompliance
usuallybecomesautomatic.
Sometimes,itishardtoseeifthecynicisactuallyrelaxingbodyparts
properlywithhismind,eventhoughheislyingstillandhashiseyesclosed.
Iuseavarietyofdistractiontechniqueswithcynics,becauseIwantthemto
reachaverydeepsomnabulismstate,soIcanworkwiththemeasilyagainin
thefuture.
_____________________________
TheMysteriousCobbler
byZeuso
Inthebook"TheMysteriousCobbler"ArthurSpraytellsofahypnosis
demonstrationinfrontofnewspaperscorrespondents.hetookasubjectand
hadhimlieatfulllengthonthefloor,thenplacedinhimadeephypnotic
sleepinwhichhisbodybecamerigid.Then,standingatthefeetofthe
subject,heorderedhimtoopenhiseyes.Whentheeyesopenedandlooked
athim,hebeganbeckoningwithhisrighthand.Slowlytheheadand
shouldersofthesubjectroseoftheirownaccordintotheair,theheels
remainingonthefloor,inchbyinchtherigidbodyliftedattheheaduntilit
stoodsuspendedatarightangle.iwouldliketoknowfromfellowhypnotists
hereiftheyhaveseenordonesomethingasamazingorsimilartothisfeat,
levitationsomeone?Ialsowanttoinvitefellowhypnotistsandpeople
interestedinhypnosistothenewgrouperotichypnosisinPortland,Oregon
whichwillcomesoonwitheventsanddemonstrations.Thanks
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Responses(19of19)
BarbaraBarbara
nohypnosisdoesnotdefythelawsofphyisics
onemasteronemaster
Itdoesifyouaredoingamagicshow.
Justwatchoutforthewiresandlifts.
Therealmagicisnotusingwiresandlifts.
ZeusZeus
Morethanhundredyearsagothelawofphysicsstatedthatanobjectheavier
thanaircouldnotflyandittooktwobikemechanicstoprovethescientific
worldofthetimewrong.
onemasteronemaster
Andahundredyearsbeforethat,somepeoplestillbledthemselvestocure
illness.
Butnoonemadesomeonefloatviahypnosis.
BilltheGeekBilltheGeek
Mostlylikelynot,anyway,notdiscountingtheLawsofPhysicsfuckingwith
us(whichthey'vebeenknownto).However,ashasbeennoted,onecan
hypnotiseasubjectandthengivetheillusionoflevitation,especiallyifyou've
donesomequicksuggestibilityexercisesonthecrowd.Forinstance,just
becausetheyrememberseeingtheheelsstayonthefloor,toquotePorgy
andBess:"Itain'tnecessarilyso."
HypnomaniacHypnomaniac
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@Zeusrapeopleonehundredyearsagoknewthatbirdswereheavierthan
airyetflew.JustrecentlysomepaperairplanespredatingtheWright
brotherswerefoundduringachapelrestoration.Youraiseagoodpointbut
theexampleisn'tgreat.
Thatsaidwithoutsomeaidthesubjectcannotlevitate,barring
supernaturalinterventionwhichis...unlikelyatbest.
MasterFlexMasterFlex
YayforPortland.IgetlotsofqueriesfromfolksinOregonandsouthern
Wash.aboutlocalevents.I'llsendthemyourway.
D
Vic33Vic33
"Realmagic"isONLYinthemiracleoftheanthropicprinciple.ALLelseis
constrainedbythelawsofphysics.Lookitup...
SicanderSicander
Onlypossibleifhehypnotizedthecorrespondentsandcreatedanice
hallucination!
BarbaraBarbara
@Zeusra
whatanidioticthingtosay
nolawofphysicseversaidthat,
notonlyweretherebirdstherewerekites
haveyoueverheardthesongwiththeline"rocketsredglare"init?
rocketshavebeenaroundforquiteawhile
themongoffierbrothershadmannedheavyierthanairflightin1783
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LeonardoDiVincihadillustrationsofseveralheavythatairmachines
ZeusZeus
@SicanderThisisexactlywhatOrmondMcGilldescribesinhis"Hypnotism
andMysticism
ofIndia"thehypnotistcreatesanillusionforanaudience.Still,whataboutif
intheaudiencethere'ssomebodywhoisnotagoodsubject?.Ireadan
interviewnotlongagowithEgbertoGismonti,thefamousBrazilianmusician
whowhilestudyingsitarinIndiasawthissortofhypnotism,howlongwillit
takeuntilweseethesekindoffeatsintheWest?forsurethesehypnotists
combinetheirknowledgeofhypnotismwithadisciplinedspiritual
development.
ZeusZeus
@Barbara
"Flightbymachinesheavierthanairisunpractical(sic)andinsignificant,if
notutterlyimpossible."
SimonNewcomb;TheWrightBrothersflewatKittyhawk18monthslater.
Newcombwasnotimpressed.
"IamafraidIamnotintheflightforaerialnavigation.Iwasgreatly
interestedinyourworkwithkites;butIhavenotthesmallestmoleculeof
faithinaerialnavigationotherthanballooningorofexpectationofgood
resultsfromanyofthetrialswehearof.SoyouwillunderstandthatIwould
notcaretobeamemberofthearonauticalSociety."
LordKelvin,Britishmathematicianandphysicist,presidentoftheBritish
RoyalSociety,1895
"Itisapparenttomethatthepossibilitiesoftheaeroplane,whichtwoor
threeyearsagowerethoughttoholdthesolutiontothe[flyingmachine]
problem,havebeenexhausted,andthatwemustturnelsewhere."
ThomasEdison,Americaninventor,1895.
KnowItAll
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Magicissciencethatyoudon'tunderstand,yet.8^)
BlackringBlackring
I'llweighinonthisone...
(a)"Lawsofphysics"saynothing,theymerelyexistforustocleverlyfind.
(b)Ifyoubelievethegentlemanlevitated......youareeitherstupidorafool.
(c)Ifyoubelieveinmagic,nowthat'sinteresting.Imighthavesomeswamp
landtosell.
(d)"magicalthinking"ispossiblytheworstdiseasewithwhichmankindis
cursed.Ithasledtomorepainandsufferingonthisplanetthananyother
singlephenomena.Itisdangerous.Donotpracticeatyourperil.
meiguolangrenmeiguolangren
Astothelevitation,asdescribedbySpray,notlikely.Morelikelytheperson
roseslowlywithleverageandbendingofthebodyoritwasamesmerist
performinganillusionthatwastakenfortherealthing(I'veseenplentyof
magiciansdothissortoflevitationbitinwhichtheypretendtohypnotize
theirassistantsomostlikelythat'sthesortoftrickSpray'sjournalistwas
witnessing).KeepinmindthatmorethanafewFakir'swerealsofakers.
Astothelesslikelybutfascinatingideaofhypnotizingtheaudience,some
folksdoperformillusionsthatrelyuponpsychologicalmanipulationofthe
audience...foranicefictionalaccount...seeTheMagicEggbyFrank
RichardStocktoninwhichtheperformermesmerizestheentireaudienceto
seeamagiceggandphoenixonlytohavetheillusionspoiledwhenhis
girlfriendcomeslatetotheshow...http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/429
...Iwasinspiredbythiswhencreatingmy"MagickEggFairyDragon"bit.
Brian
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HandyRandHandyRand
Wehaveforalongtimebeeninconflictwiththeissuesoffaithandscience.
Ifweweretoseeamanlevitatedandwentandinspectedhimforwiresand
devices,andfoundnone.Isitfaithorsciencethatwouldcauseustobelieve
whatwehadseen.Perhapstherearenofacts,onlybeliefs.
Ilearnedhypnosisfromastagehypnotistin1968.HegotstuckinAshland
Wisconsinandneededtomakesomemoney,sohetaughthypnosis.After
theformalclasseshewoulddiscussthingshehadseenandexperienced.He
discussedtraveloutofthebody,astralprojection,anditsdangers.Healso
discussedthingshehadseenandcouldn'texplain.Thisincluded2instances
oflevitation.Onebyapersonwhohedidn'tknow,andwherehecouldn't
determineifitwasatrickorsomemannerofphenomon.Thesecondwas
withamemberofa"famous"harmonicaband.Hesaidhehadseenthisman
levitateonanumberofoccasions,andhewasconvincedthathecouldinfact
raisehimselfwithoutusingatrick.Iknewthismantobetruthful,andsoI
tookhisworkastruthful.Isleviitationanundiscoveredtruth,orisit
impossible?AllIknowisIknewamanwhoItrustedwhosayshesawit
happen.DoIdiscounthischaracterbecausesomeoneelsesayslevitationis
impossible>
ZeusZeus
@BlackringIwouldliketoquoteArthurC.Clarke"magicisjustsciencethat
wedon'tunderstandyet.
Ericc
Iguessifyoucanaltertheshamicvibrationstoadifferenthertz,youtoocan
makethetreesdisappearthenreappearagainatwill,accordingtoseveral
skepticswhoclaimtheysawithappen.
HowdidJesusturnafishandtwoloavesofbreadintoenoughfoodtofeed
5,000peoplewhohadgatheredtohearhimspeak(withoutamicrophone)?
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TheremaybesomeLawsofphysicswedon'tknowaboutyet?
Maybe,HarryPottercouldwalkthroughwallsintoothertimezones.
HowdoestheBermudaTrianglehideshipsincertainweatherpatterns?
Howcanahypnotisedpersonseewhatapersonisholdingintheirclosed
handontheothersideofawall?Ihaveneverseenthisdone,butI
understandithasbeendoneinatleastoneresearchtrial.
Iftheuniversehasinfiniteabundance,andthereisplentyforeveryonethen
Iguessitwouldbepossibletogetsomeonetodoextraordinarythingswhen
theconsciousmindisasleepordistracted.
Therehavebeenpeoplebornwithouteyes,whocanpaintwhatweseewith
oureyes.
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Numericaltriggers...howmany
byLostinthewoodso
Ihavehadalotofluckimplantingaseveral"numbered"triggersfordifferent
responseswithmysub/wife.I'mwonderingifthereisatheoreticallimitto
howmanytriggerscanberemembered?
Thanksforanyinput!
Responses(19of19)
teamfluffy
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Nolimittomyknowledge.
Theconsciousmindhaslimitations,butIdon'tknowofanyparticular
numericallimitforunconsciousmind.Isuspectthattheremightbesomeif
weputrigorousscientifictestingaroundit,atleastintermsofresponsetime,
butI'mnotsurethatthere'sanysignificantlimitinpractice.
Tantric108Tantric108
@teamnoir+1
Ithinkitbecomesmoreamatterofhowthey'reimplantedthanasimple
"howmany?"Iftheywerealldoneinonesession,I'dexpectalimit
somewherearoundtheusual7+/2.Ofcourse,ifthenumbershavea
mnemonictothem,likeapoemattached,itgetsmucheasier.Forexample:
1:Startthefun(gointohypnosis)
2:Likebrandnew(goblank)
3:Onyourknee(submissivemode)
4)Begformore(goodforanarousaltrigger)
5)Comealive(orgasm)
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.
.
Andsoon.Thepoemcanbememorizedinoroutoftranceasreinforcement.
Theeasiertheparticipantcanbringupthememory,themorequicklyand
easilythetriggerwillcometotheforefront.
TachyonRivetTachyonRivet
I'mnotunderstandingwhatnumericaltriggersare.Givemoreexamples,
pleeeeease?:D
LrdZebraLrdZebra
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Realisticallyfornumericaltriggersyouonlynedten,09,especiallyiftheyare
simpleandalltenmixwell.Thatwillcoveranynumberyouencounter.The
problemsaretheneithernoescapesomakesuretheyaretrulywhatyou
wantoroversaturation,inthattheyaresocommontheyrunoutofpotancy.
batmonkeybatmonkey
Myguessisthatthenumberofsubconscioustriggerssomeonecankeepat
oncewillcorrespondtohowgoodtheirmemoryisduringtheirconsciouslife.
Atriggermayfadeaftertimewithoutconstantreinforcement,justas
knowledgeofalanguageorinformationfadeswhenitisnotactivelyused.If
youwanttoincreasethenumberoftriggerssherespondsto,makesure
you'repracticingallofthemregularly!Makeherrecitethemwhenshegoes
under.Don'tneglecttriggersforlong.
PropertyOfAmyPropertyOfAmy
Idon'tknowwhatyoumeanbyNumerical.ButIhaveseveraltriggersthat
havenumbersattachedtothemifthat'swhatyoumean.Andthenumber
dictateswhatIdothatrelatestowhateverthetriggerwordis.Like:
X1
X2
X3
Y1
Andsoon.Orifyouareaskinghowmanytotaltriggerscansomeonehave,
I'vebeentoldbymyhypnotistMasterthatIhave30+
Ihavenumericaltriggersforcertainresponses,I'vechosennumerical
becauseit'seasytotrack/manipulateasmanyasIwishtouseForinstance
theresponseto"10"istoorgasm,thatparticulartriggermywifehas
knowledgeofit'simplanting(itishugelyeffective).Ialsohave4othersimilar
triggersandIhaveimplantedthemwithherknowledgebutshehasbeen
instructedtoforgetthecommandsandnotassociateanyresponsewiththe
numbershehears.
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AllworkVERYwellandI'mcertainthereasonforthegoodresponseisboth
hertrustandthatallareassociatedwithdifferentformsofpleasure.Ido
constantreinforcementtokeepallthetriggersfreshinhermindaswellas
usethemoften.I'mhappilyblessedwithaVERYsuggestivesubjectthatis
alsomultiorgasmic,shealsorespondswelltosuggestionsfororabout
submission.
ThanksforsomeVERYgoodadvice,asIcontinueIwillapplysomeofit,thisis
aworkinprogress!
HypnoticGuyHypnoticGuy
Here'sthewayIlookatit.
Ifyougettoapointwhereyouhaveusedtoomanynumbers,andyour
subjectssubconsciousmindbecomesoverloadedsothatitnolonger
respondstonewnumbers,it'stimetofindanewhobby.:)
teamfluffy
Inthesamewaythatnumbersmakeforlousypersonalidentifiers,names
workbetter,it'smyopinionthatsomethingmorecolorfulthannumbers
makebettertriggers.
Forthesortsofthingsyou'redescribing,Ioftenprefertouchanchors.My
guessisthatmostsubjectswillbeabletoholdmoretriggersifthetriggering
stimuliiaremoreobviouslyuniqueanddistinct.
swmnkdinthervrswmnkdinthervr
@HypnoticGuy...we'regonnastartmemoryexercisessoIdon'thavetoinvest
inanewhobby!:D
I'mseriouslyconsideringnamingthetriggersratherthanusingnumbers,now
isthetimebeforeIimplanttoomany.Istillwonder,ifthenumerical
arrangementmakesitsomucheasierformetorememberthemallwhy
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wouldthatnotbethesameforthesubject?Mysubject/wifeishavingno
issuekeepingthemseparateeitheratthispoint.
OOPS...postedfromherprofile,Idomostoftheeditingforher.Ishouldbe
morecarefulwhereIrespondfrom!!!
I'mwithsomnodominnotusingmanytriggers.InthedayswhenIdid,lasting
triggerswerestructured,withacommonpatterntomakeitclearitwasa
deliberatetrigger,anelementtoidentifythepersonaffected(soIcould
triggerpeopleseparatelyifIwaswithtwoormoreofmyhypnoteesatthe
sametimenotthatitevercameup,butitmeantIwaspreparedforitifit
did)andanelementtoidentifytheeffect.Fortheeffectelement,Iused
somethingwithastrongmnemonicproperty.Asaresult,I'mfairlyconfident
thatifIencounteredoneofmyoldhypnoteeswhoI'dnotdoneanything
withfor5yearsormore,iftheyrespondedatalltoanyoftheoldtriggers,
they'drespondcorrectlytoallofthem...
Iftherearepatternsormeaningstoyourcurrenttriggersthatmakethem
easytorememberforyouandyourwife,thenyoucanhavealotmore
withoutgettingthemconfused.It'swhentriggersarearbitrarywithno
connectiontotheireffectsthatthey'rehardtoremember.
OnetypeoftriggerIdostilluseisthetemporarytriggerthat'sintendedtobe
triggeredbychancethere,havingitbeacommonwordoractionorthought
withnoconnectiontotheeffectisentirelyappropriate.
Bottomline:aslongasyoucontinuetofindthetriggersyou'reusinguseful
andmemorable,there'snoreasontochangewhatyou'redoing.
WaldoWaldo
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IfyoulookattheGlobalSuggestiongroupyouwillfindanalternativeto
memorizingalotoftriggers.Youcanuseafewtriggersforfrequentthings
andGlobalSuggestionforeverythingelse.
@Waldo...Thanks,I'llcheckthatout.Sofarallthenumerictriggersare
specific,ifIunderstand"GlobalSuggestion"properlythesubjectshouldbe
opentoallmannerofsuggestioninthepresent,forfutureuseoraspecific
futureevent?
Mywifehasatoughtimeconnectingtoanythinggeneralornonspecific,she
respondssomuchbettertoaspecifictasktiedtoaspecificstimuli.She
seemstolosetheconnectiontoanythingsuggestingopennesstofuturebut
yetunknowncommands.
WaldoWaldo
Basicallywithglobalsuggestionyouproposetothesubconsciousthatsince
theyseeandheareverythingyousay,thereisnoneedtoentertrance,that
shewillacceptanysuggestionsprefacedby"subconscious"orsomeother
specificterm.Thatallowsyoutoinstallsuggestionsonthefly,eveninpublic.
Andsinceyouareworkingwithahighleveloftrustandaverysuggestible
subjectitshouldworkverywellforyou.
BigBadBirdBigBadBird
Ifyouconsideratriggeras"conditionedstimulus"thenyouknowhumans
alreadyhavetonsandtonsofthembyadulthood.Hypnosissimplyletsthem
getinquickeranddeeperand(hopefully)controlled.
Ialsothinknumbersaren'tthemosteffectivetrainingtoolbecausethebest
triggersareoneswhichinherentlyevokearesponsepeoplerarelyhavehigh
emotionalresponsestonumbersinthemselves.
But,no,intheorythereisnolimittohowmanytriggersorhowmanyofthem
canbelinkedtonumbersafaik.
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Anupdateonmyresultswithmysubject/wife.Mostofthiswillbeobviousto
allofyoubutIwantedtomentionwhatIfoundinpracticalapplication.
Itappearssolotriggerswithoutadirectemotionalconnectionsuchas
numericaltriggersaremosteffectivewhenrefreshed/usedoften.More
recognizable/memorablynamedtriggersappeartohaveastrongerresponse
andtendtobemoreeffectiveoveralongerperiodoftime.Thereisalsoa
largedifferenceinacceptanceofdesirablesuggestionsoverlessdesirable.
Therewereacoupleofdeviationsfromtheexpectedwhenusingnumerical
triggersthatareworthmentioning.Whileusingnumericaltriggersshewas
instructedtoforgettheposthypnoticsuggestionsfortherewasamarked
lesseningofinhibitions.Inthepastshewasallowedtoremainconsciousof
thesesuggestions,wheretheywerepastherboundariesshebalkedat
followingthroughwiththecommandeventhoughshehadagreedtodoing
sowhileintrance.
Itappearsthatsuppressingtheknowledgeofthecommandwasthefactorin
allowinghertogobeyondherstatedlimits.Thisagainwasalldonewithher
knowledgeandagreement.Whenusingadescriptive/recognizabletrigger
therewasresistanceinbothscenarios.
Thecommunicationiswonderful,soisthetrust.Wedolotsofexperimenting
anditcontributestoourclosenessagreatdeal.Thenumericaltriggerswere
intendedforuseinapublicareawheretheactualcommandcan'tbesaidout
loud.Asmentionedabovememorableorrecognizablewordingworksbest
andrequiremuchlessrefreshing.
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Hardtohypnotize
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byRubberRodo
Ivebeenfascinatedbyerotichypnosisforyears,andhaveattemptedtobe
hypnotizedbyseveralamateurbutexperiencedhypnotists,allwithout
success.AccordingtoonlinetestsIvetaken,Iamtooanalytical.Thetest
suggestedthatIbelessanalyticaltobesuccessfullyhypnotized.Ithinkthats
liketellingmetostartthinkingwithmyrightbraininsteadofmyleft.
RecentlyIwenttoawomancertifiedclinicalhypnotist,tohelpmehavemore
incentivetoexercise.Inshort,itwasawasteofnearly$300.Therewaszero
suggestion.Iwasnothypnotized.Herprofessionalcolleaguesaidhe
specializedinanalyticalsubjects,andofferedtogiveitatry(foranother
$285).Hesucceededingettingmetoastage3outof6level,andsuccessfully
plantedthesuggestion,whichhadmeofftothegymthenextday(andhas
continuedtowork).Forhisfinalsession,afterreinforcingtheexercise
suggestion,atmyrequest,hetriedtoputmeintodeephypnosis.Ipassed
theearlytestsofarigidarmandarmIcouldnotlift,butwhenheaskedfor
mypen,toldmeIcouldnotseeit,andthenaskedwhereitwas,Isawit
immediatelyandpointedtoit.Whenheaskedmemyname,aftertellingmeI
wouldforgetit,Iknewit.Assuggested,Iskippedsixwhencountingfromone
toten,butthenIcouldaddthreeandthree.Icouldstillfeelitveryeasily
whenhepinchedmeonthehand,whenhesuggestedIwouldnot.
Inotherwords,hecouldimplantasuggestion,butcouldnotgetmetoalevel
inwhichIcouldhavehallucinationsorfeelornotfeelsensations.AfterIwas
broughtout,Irememberedhimborrowingmywatch,whenheaskedme
whattimeitwas.Inotherwords,despitehiseffortsatmegoingdeeperand
deeperIcouldnot,eventhoughItriedtoobeyhissuggestions
Doesanyonehaveanysuggestionsontechniquesthatmightworkona
personlikeme?Noneoftheonlinetranceshaveeverworkedeither,soI
donteventhinkitisworthtryingphoneorotherdistanthypnosis.Aresome
subjectsjusttooanalyticaltohypnotizedeeply?Ireallywouldliketo
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experienceanerotictrancealongthelinesofsomeofmyfetishes,butdont
wanttowastetimetravelingifitisuseless.
Thefirstprofessionalhypnotist,andalltheothershaveusedthetotalbody
relaxationmethod,whilethehypnotistwhopartiallysucceededusedalook
uptillyoureyesbecomeheavyandclosemethod.
Responses(23of23)
SuperHypnotistSuperHypnotist
LookintohavingsomeoneuseaConfusionInductiontoputyouunder.Ihave
troublegoingintotranceaswellandthefewtimesIhavebeenabletodrift
deeplywereduetouseoftheconfusiontechnique.Thebasicideaisthat
insteadofasteadyandobviousdescentintotranceyouareguideddown
whilebeingslightlyaudiblyoverstimulated.Thatway,ifyouareover
analytical,likeme,yourmindislessabletoprocesseverymomentand
thereforcanbe'confused'intoactuallyrespondingtotheinductionrather
thanpickingitapart.
kelly222kelly222
IhaventtriedwithmanypeopleinpersonbutsometimesIfeelaboutashard
toputunderasyou.MindifIaskwhatdidfinallygetyouunder?
RubberRodRubberRod
@Kelly222,IthinkitwouldbeaDavidEllmantechnique,asIdescribeinthe
lastsentenceabove.@Twisted,IhavereadaConfusioninductionscript,and
itsoundedlikeitmightwork,butmyhypnotistdidn'tuseiteventhoughI
suggestedit.Iwilltrytofindsomeonewhowill.Thanks.
Enteringhypnosisisnolongeryourproblem.Youhavesucceededindoing
that.Theproblemisgettingdeepenoughtoexperiencewhatyouwant.If,as
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yousay,youaretooanalytical,thenyouneedtofindawaytoturnoffthe
analyticalpartofyourmindlongenoughtoexperiencethephenomena.That
meanstryingseveraldifferentapproaches,possiblysometrickingofthe
consciousmind(confusiontechniques,asnotedbySuperHypnotist)and
maybejustcatchingyouintherightframeofmind.Thegoodnewsisonce
youfigureitout,youshouldbeabletoreplicatetheresultsonafairlyregular
basis.
Iambettingyouoverthinkwhathappenswhilehypnotized(acommonthing
foranalyticalpeople).Youneedtofindawaytostopconsciouslythinking
andjustallowthingstohappen.Therearevarioustechniquesaquality
hypnotistcanusetohelpyoudothis,butitcouldtaketrialanderrortoreach
yourgoals.Havepatienceandpersistencetoreachyourgoals.
Somepeoplenevergettoaverydeepstate.However,withpracticeyou
shouldbeabletoachievesignificantlymorethanyouhavesofar.
lon85818lon85818
"Deep"doesnotmeanthesamethingforeveryone.Youareverysuggestible
inhypnosis,andthatisagoodthing.Icangoverydeep,buthavenever
experiencedavisualhallucination,positiveornegative.It'sallveryindividual.
PhotoBobPhotoBob
"Depth"itselfisnotasinglething,butratherasetofcorrelatedvariables...
Peoplewhoachievecertainbrainwavestatesaremorelikelytoperceive
themselvesatgreaterdepthoftrance,andpeoplewhoperceivethemselves
atgreaterdeptharemorelikelytorespondtosuggestions.
Don'tworryabouthowdeepyouare.Rather,rememberthatbeingin
hypnosisisaskilljustasguidinghypnosisisaskill,andthemoreyoupractice
thebetteryouwillget.Thereareanumberoftechniqueswhicharedesigned
aroundusingwhatyoudorespondtotogetresultsinareaswhereyouhave
haddifficultyrespondinginthepast.Thisisactuallyonmylistofhypnoskills
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I'vegotacursoryunderstandingofbutnorealability...I.E.stuffIreallyneed
tostudy.Hmm.ToDotomorrow:ResearchUtilization.
Greaterdepthwillbeachievedaspartofdevelopingtheskillofbeing
hypnotized,butthatmightcomeafteramajorbreakthroughinmemory
manipulationandhallucination.
BrandonBrandon
Asstatedbythepreviousposter,hypnosisisaskill.Onethatsomepeople
taketoquitenaturally,andotherstaketimeandstillothersnevergetreally
goodatit.Hallucinations,takeaprettydeepleveloftrance,andnegative
hallucinationsseemtotakeabitdeeperstill.Withpractice,ifyoureallywant
to,youshouldbeabletogetthere.Youstatedinyouroriginalpost~
Inotherwords,despitehiseffortsatmegoingdeeperanddeeperIcould
not,eventhoughItriedtoobeyhissuggestions
Youadmittedthatyoucouldnotgodeeper,thatisfine.Thatsaysthatyou
wereasdeepasyouwantedtogo,orfeltsafeingoing.Onceyouare
hypnotized,youdon'tsurrenderyouwill,unlessyoureallywantto,butthat
isanotherstoryaltogether.Rather,youwentunderdeeplyenoughto
accomplishyourstatedpurposewhichwastohelpyouexercisemore.
Missionaccomplished,youranalyticalmindknewjusthowdeepyouNEEDED
togo,andthatiswhatitallowed.Itsoundslikeyouhadasuccessful
experienceandarenowabitdisappointed,becauseyoudidnotexceedyour
statedparameters.Ifyouwishtoexperiencemore,thenyouwillneedto
resetyourgoals,andtakeitfromthere.Ifhallucinationsiswhatyouwant,
setthatasthegoal,andgoforit.
HypnoSirHypnoSir
Aseveryonehassaidabove,depthcanbemeasureddifferentlyforeach
personandwhileyoumayachievegreatdepth,notallsuggestionwillstick
andorplayoutexactlyhowitseems,analyticalaside,ifyousimplyarenot
imaginative,thengettingyoutoimagineahallucinationisawasteoftime.It
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canbeachieved,butifimaginationisnotsomethingnaturallyachievedwith
youthenitneedsdifferentstatesofsuggestiontoawakentheimagination!
Withdepthcomesstrongersuccessinregardtoongoingchangesand
suggestion.Practiceisthekeytocontinue,themoreyoubecomefamiliar
withit,theeasierlettinggobecomes.
Asothershavealsomentioned,confusionaltechniques,Iusethemwith
everyclienteveniftheyarenotanalytical,askingsomeonetostopthinking
instantlycausesthemtothink.It'samatterofonceintherelaxedstateto
thereforedistracttheconsciousstate,tryingtodistractaconsciousmind
requiresathoughtprocessandmethodofconfusion,yes,inordertoconfuse
youtohelpyoustopthinking,inatrancetheyfirstlyneedtohaveyouthink!
GlasnervenGlasnerven
Assomeonewho'sabitontheanalyticalsidemyself,Ihavetowonder,just
howisonesupposedtostopthinkingwhilestillconcious?:P
UltimateWarriorUltimateWarrior
Depthisn'taconceptthatallhypnotists,professionalorotherwise,accept.
Nordoallpeoplewhoexperiencehypnosisnecessarilyexperienceevery
suggestioninthesameway.Thatsaid,theresomeinductionsthattendto
workwellforanalyticalpeople.Confusionisoneofthose.Formaximum
effectiveness,suggestionsneedtobedesignedandphrasedwithanumberof
thingsinmind.Amongthosearehowanalyticalapersonis,whatheorshe
hopestoachieveandwhy(includingthefactorscontributingtothosegoals)
andtheperson'sprimaryrepresentationalsystem.So,I'drecommendlooking
forahypnotistwhounderstandsandutilizesthosethings.
UnimaginableUnimaginable
Thefirstthingtoknowisthatifyoutrytoohardyouwillnevergettothe
hypnoticplaceyoudesire.Yourlevelofinterestandneedtoanalyzecouldbe
thecauseofyouusingtoomuchofyourconsciousmind.Butofcoursebeing
analyticalthat'syournaturalinclination.
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Asstatedbeforesomeonewithexperienceusingtheconfusiontechnique
shouldbesuccessful.Theother"surefire"techniqueisusingentrainment
glasses.It'sunfortunatethatyoualreadytriedaprofessionalandlostyour
money.Ifanyofyouranalyticalfriendshavehadsuccesswithahypnotist,
youmighttrythem.
OtheroptionsareNLP,whichisdesignedtomovearoundtheconsciousmind
andEricksonian.Ifyoutrythelatter,makesurethatpersonwastrainedby
someonewhoknowswhathe/sheisdoingsuchasagraduateofthe
EricksonianInstitute.
Thelastoptionissomeonewhoisreallygoodwithaquickinduction.Ifyou
findareallyskilledpersonatthatitwouldbedonefartooquickforthe
consciousmindtoevenknowwhathappened.
LADYGAGALADYGAGA
Myinstinctivereactionisthis.You'vepaidalotofmoneytoprofessionalsand
you'vefoundthatyoucanachievetrancestates.That'sgood.Asyouare
"analytical,"howabouttakinganNLPHypnotist'scoursenow?Livetraining,
I'mthinking.
Yougetalotofpractice,yougettolearnthetricksofthetradefromyour
endsoyoureallyknowwhatgoesonandwhat'shappening.Youlearnacool
newlifeskillandwillbecomeamuch,muchbettertrancesubjectasabye
thebye.
Thenyouaremuchbetterplacedtochoseahypnotistforyourself,butyou
canalsocreateyourowninductionsaswellandyou'replayingona
completelydifferentgameboard.
MindFlowMindFlow
Analyticalhey,awesome,Myapproachwouldbetomakeyoustudyuponall
thehypnosisliteratureoutthereanddesignyourownhypnoticinduction
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thatyouknowwillworkforyou.Thenuseitonyou.......itwillworkasyou
havedesignedittoworkonyouandhaveconfidencethatyouhavechosen
therightinductionetcandhaveprobablybuiltitaroundatheoretical
frameworkthatappealstoyouandyouknowthatofallthetheoretical
frameworksoutthereistherightoneforyou.
Simple.
MindFlowMindFlow
Wellsimpleformeanyway,Ilikeitwhenmyclientsdoalltheworkforme.
resistance.....whatresistance
Regards,
Magick
WaldoWaldo
@opYougotalotofvalidanswersandadvice.Iwillechoafewofthethings
statedandtellyouwhatIknowhelpedmeandafewothersthatIknow
about.Themoreyoupractice,theeasieritgets.Soonethingtotryishave
someoneyoutrustteachyouselfhypnosis,orgetanaudiofilethejust
containsaninductionandafewfeelgoodsuggestions.Betteryet,haveone
madebysomeoneyoutrust.Evenbetter,recordityourself.Thenpractice,
practice,practice.
Theotherelementthatreallymattersonceyougettoagoodstateistrust.If
youdon'thaveadequatetrustinthehypnotistitwillbehardtoreachalevel
ofsuggestibityandyouwillbesuspiciousofthesuggestionsgiven.Finda
hypnotistthatyou"clickwith"andtakethetimetodeveloparapport.Thatis
easierforsomethanothers,butwellworththetime.Andofcourseaswas
statedabove,feelingthatthehypnotistsharesyourgoalsisimportant.
BoldBaboonBoldBaboon
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Ifyouhavetrouble'shuttingoff'yourconsciousmindandfindyourself
overthinkingeverything,useittoyouradvantage.Don'ttrytoshutoffyour
mind,trytohyperfocusitononespecificaspectofyourexperience,one
thought,oneimage,whatever.Acknowledgewhenyourmindshiftsto
somethingelse,redirectittofocusingonthatonesinglething,andjustlet
yourmindbecomefurtherandfurtherengagedwithyoursingular
experience.Therearemanymanywaystogetintoatrance.
AnotherthingI'malwayssuggestingis,figureoutyourlearning
style/modalityandtrytoapproachhypnosisfromthatangle.Apaintermay
wanttovisualizethings,theauditorylearnermaybecomecaughtupinthe
pace,pitch,cadenceofsounds,etc.
Ihavealsohadahardtimegoingintotranceuntilfairlyrecently.theseare
someofthethingsthathelpedme.
BASICBASIC
..eventhoughItriedtoobeyhissuggestions.
Wellifitdoesn'tworkanyway,mightaswellstopdoingthat?!:)Inother
wordsstepawayfromthewheel.Aslongasyouhavethesenseof'you
doingsomething'usuallynothingmuchinterestingwillhappen.
It'sreallyhardtoimagineorevencomprehend,how'thingsjusthappen',
whenYOUdon'tdothem,butyou'lllearntotrustdifferentpartsofyourself
eventually.Maybeyou'llstillconstantlyquestionit,maybesomedayyou'll
figureitouttoacertainlevel,butitdoesnothavetomakesensetowork.
Confusioninductions,iftheywork,arebasicallytryingtocreatethesituation,
whereyouwouldcomeupwiththeideaof'fuckit,alltheanalysiswillgetme
nowhere,let'snotdothatforawhileandjustseewhathappens'.That's
usuallythefirstchanceforsomethinginterestingtohappen.
BrandyBrandy
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Therearefolksintheworldforwhom"authority"isparadoxically
contradicted...
Forhypnosis/trancetoworkonemusttrusttheoperatorsuchthatone
allowsthetrustedindividuala"level"ofcontroloutsidetherealmof
consciousunderstanding...Lackingthat;tranceiswhatyoumakeofit...
(Truthtold,tranceisalwayswhatyoumakeofit...ornot.)
Natalia
RubberRodRubberRod
Thankyoueveryonefortakingthetimetoreadmypostandofferingmay
goodandusefulsuggestions.Letmefillinsomeofthethingswhichmayhave
helpedclarifymysituation.
Severalyearsago,withagroupoffriends,(whoarelongsincegone),Iread
upquiteabitonhypnosis,andIsuccessfullyhypnotizedseveralofmy
friends,maleandfemale.Therewassomemilderoticsuggestions.Noone
waseversuccessfulinhypnotizingme,andaccusedmeofresisting.Iwas
unawareofanalyticalmindsatthatpoint.
Inmymostrecentexperienceswiththeclinicalhypnotists,Iwentinwanting
tobehypnotized.Itwasinaveryprofessionaloffice,withreclinerchair,and
thefirst30minutesorsowasspentlearningeachother'sbackgrounds,goal,
andwhattoexpect.Idonthaveany"issues"withtrustorabuseoranything.
Anyway,thefirsthypnotistsimplyfailedcompletelytoinduceanytrance,
anditwasnothingmorethanalectureonwhyexerciseisgoodforme.Itold
herafteronedaythatitwasafailure.Shedidn'treallybelieveme.The
secondsessionaweeklater,atthemomentthelecturebegan,andIrealized
Iwasnothypnotizedanymorethanthefirsttime,Isimpleopenedmyeyes
andtoldherweweregoingnowhere.Shegotmadandoffended,but
eventuallyshegothercolleaguetoagreetotry.
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IdiscussedwithhimbeforehandthatIwantedtoincreasemydesireto
exercise,butthatIalsowantedtoexperiencehypnosislikeinstageshows.
(HeandhiscolleaguedoaGratedstageshowaroundthiscommunityof
160,000,althoughIhadneverseenthemperform).Anyway,hegotme
under,knowingthatIwasanalytical.Hesuccessfullyimplantedthedesired
suggestion,andthentriedafewmorethings,allofwhichIhavedescribed
aboveashavingfailed)Thesecond,reinforcingsessionwentquicklyandafter
beingbroughtout,webothagreedtotryforsomedeeperhypnosis,whichhe
gradesonsixlevels,withmebeingat#3forthesuggestion,and#6being
abouttotallyunder.IthinkIwasascompletelyascooperativeaspossible,
butwejustnevermadeitpast#3.
Ihavereadtheconfusioninductionscriptandthinkitmightworkwell.But
sincehedidnotwanttouseit,Ishallhavetotrytofineoneofmyarmature
friendstoreadittome.(Idon'tthinkIcanrecorditmyself,asIthinkitneeds
someinteractiontobesuccessful,andI'mnotsureIwouldtrustmyown
voice.)
Inanycase,myonlyreal"issue"havingbeenaddressed,Idon'tthinkIcango
backtotheprofessionalforfurthertreatment.Iwillhavetotrytofinda
friendinourmunchcommunitywhocanhelpme.Idoknowatleastoneguy
whoItrust.
I'llletyouallknowhowitworksout.Thanksagain.
AnyonewhowantstotrymebyphoneiswelcomebutthisisNOTa
solicitationforahypnotist.
HandyRandHandyRand
Hey,
Wellamonthhaspassed,andImcurioushowyoursuggestionhasworked?
Haveyoucontinuedtoexcercise?
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I'dlikeyoutoconsiderafewthingshere.
First,yourfirsthypnotistseemstohavebeena"onetrickpony".They
probablylearnedanumberofhypnosistechniquesinschool,buttheyfell
intousingthesameone,andwhentheyweren'tsuccessful,theyquit.Iuse
instantinductionswithanalyticalpeople,anditseemstoworkfine.
Second.allhypnotistsshouldlearnthistrick.Ialwaystellallmysubjectsthat
Ihaveaverybigego.IfeelhurtanddisappointedwhentheypeopleIwork
witharenthypnotised,soevenifyoudontfeelhypnotised,fakeitandact
hypnotised.Iftheyagree,itblocksouttheanalyticalsfromrejectingthe
hypnosisanddoinglikeyoudidandananouncingitsnotworking.Hypnosis
canbeverysubtleatthestart,andyoualwayshavetheselftalkgoingonin
yourhead,nomatterhowdeeplyyouarehypnotised.Nowreadthatagain,
youalwayshavethatselftalkgoingonwhenyouarehypnotised.Sotostay
hypnoised,youmustresisttheurgetoopenyoureyesandannounceyou
arenthypnotised.Hypnosisdoesntblankyourmind,youcontinuetoreason
whenyourhypnotised.
Last,beinghypnotisedisaskill.Themoreyouarehypnotised,themore
suggestionsyouaccept,thebetteryougetatacceptingsuggestions.Yousay,
youhavelearnedhypnosisinthepast,findafriendandhavethemlearnwith
youandpractice.
Isuspectyoudidprettywellwithyourfirstsuccessfulsession.Havingbeen
hypnotisedthefirsttimemeansyouwillgoundermuchmoreeasilythenext.
Ithinkfindinganotheranateurtoplaywithmightbethebestthing.
Similartoyourselfi'manalytictypeandfoundthatcertaininductionsarenot
aseffectiveformyself.Myexperienceachievingahypnoticstateisdoneby
you,nottooyou.Thehypnotistisinawaylieatourguide(lotofgoodones
andbadsones).
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ihaveacquiredexperienceinHypnosis,NLPandothertechnologies(i.e.
Subliminalprogramming)forover20+yearsnow.Myintereststartedinitially
aspersonaldevelopmentandhassinceincreasedintoeroticaspects.
Understandyourfrustrations,formeittookquitealotoftimetofinda
Hypnotist(certified)whomicouldhavecompletetrustin.Inmycaseifound
someonewhomeroticaspects(i.e.brainwashing)andhealth.inowtendto
gounderveryquicklyforHer.
Priortomeetingher,iusedtrialanerror(findingaHypnotist)combinedwith
repetition(i.e.listeningtorecordedsession(2030+overaperiodoftime)).
Forhabitchangesgiventimeifoundsubliminalprogrammingfilesworked
verywellasitremovedtheanalyticaspectworkedovertime.
Asforconfusionmethod,formeifinditextremelyirritatingduetothelack
oflogicinthescript.Ultimatelymakingmemorefrustratedthenrelaxed
etc...Althoughifiwasjuststartingout,iseehowthismightwork(tohis,his
own)Myinhibitorwaslackoftrustwiththehypnotist(specificallyerotic
ones).Assuchtendedtoliketolistentorecordedfiles(sothaticouldreview
thefilecontentprior,etc...).
Thewebisamazing,althoughsometimesmakesyoufeellikeyouaredrinking
fromafirehose.Therearevariouswebsiteseroticwisethatofferfreeand/or
Lowcostaudiosallowingyoutoacquiredifferentaudiofilesfromvarious
hypnotists.Alternativelyyoucantrysomeofthepopular(moresuccessful
erotichypnotists).Filescommonlyrangeinpricefrom$15to$45dollars.this
statediwouldsuggestyoustartwiththestaplesiteswhichgiveyouafavor
todeterminewhatworks&whatdoesnot.
GuessingyouhavebeentothecommononeI'mthinkingof.Althoughifyou
messagemeiwillprovideafewthatienjoyedhistorically.
RubberRodRubberRod
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Update:ThesuccussfulTistgavemearecodingofthesuccessfulsession,
whichIhaveusedtoreinforcetheexercise,andsofar,I'mkeepingtoit.And
mindyou,Ihateexercise.It'swork.
Thankstoeveryonefortellingmethatitisme,butI'mnotalone.Thisisa
ratheramazinggroupofhelpfulpeople.WishIlivedclosertosomeofyou.
PhotoBobPhotoBob
Hmm.IwonderifIcouldborrowacopyoratranscriptofthat?Icouldreally
usesomehelpwiththeexercisemotivationthing...
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IdentifyingCarrierWavesofHypnoticExperience
byAnarchist3monthsago
(Iwrotethistoshowhypnosisfromadifferentperspectivethanisusually
explainedtobeginnersandalsotoshowhowmanydifferentthingsaround
usindailylifearehypnotictosomedegree.)
Iknow.WTF."IdentifyingCarrierWavesofHypnoticExperience".That'sahell
ofatitleisn'tit?I'llbreakitdown,butfirst,I'mgoingtoposeaquestion:
Whatdoarollercoaster,guidedmeditation,anygivenmusicalcomposition,
aspeech,amovie,orastoryallhaveincommon?Asyoumightsuspectby
theunoriginalityofmyapproachthattheyareallcarrierwavesofhypnotic
experience.
Don'tlooksosurprised.I'mcrazy.
Let'sstartthebreakdown.Thefirstwordis"identify".Aequallydescriptive
wordwouldbe"recognize".Thisisnothingmorethanmentalversionof
extendingafingerandsaying"Yup,that'sit."Thetrickistopointthefingerat
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therightthingandinordertodothat,youhavetohavesomeideaofwhat
thethingis.
Let'scontinuewith"hypnoticexperience."Oneprocessofhypnotismisbased
onchangingthestateofapersonandanythingwhichchangesthestateofa
personis,byvirtueofthisability,hypnotic.Ifsomeoneweretobeaffected
bythishypnoticsomethingandthushavetheirstatechangedfromtheir
currentstatetoanotherstate,thenbyvirtueofhavingchangedstates,the
personhashada'hypnoticexperience'.
Youknowthatguywhopissesyouoff?He'sahypnoticm'fker.Heexerts
controloveryouinasimilarwayahypnotistexertscontroloverhis
patient/victim.(notethatinbothcasesitrequiresyourconsenttosome
degree)
Ah,butthere'smore.Usuallyanengineeredhypnoticexperiencedoesn't
involvejustonechangeofstate.Itinvolvesaseriesofstatechangesusually
withtheaimofgettingthepatient/victimintoastrongspecificstate.
Movingonto"carrierwave".Awaveisanythingwhichexhibitsvariationover
time.Inpracticalexamplesthewavewillalsohaveastartingpointandan
endingpoint.Acarrierwaveisanywaveusedtocarryinformation.
Tosummarizethusfar
Acarrierwaveofhypnoticexperienceissomethingwhich:
Isawavethatcarriesinformationandiscapableofshiftingthestateofthe
receiverinastructuredpattern.
Isawavewhichhasastartingpointandanendingpoint.
Let'scomparethisdefinitiontoseeiftheexampleslistedabove.I'llstartwith
thestartingandendingpoint.
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Arollercoaster,guidedmeditation,amusicalcomposition,aspeech,amovie
andastoryallhavestaringandendingpoint.So,asfarasthesecondpartof
thedefinitiongoes,we'regood.
But,arethesethingsalsowaves?Awaveissomethingwhichexhibits
variationovertime.AlloftheexamplesI'vegiveneithermustexhibit
variationovertimeorbeintolerablyboring.
Aretheseexamplescapableofshiftingthestateofthereceiver?Ifthey
didn't,again,they'dbeamazinglyboring.
Cantheydoitinastructuredsequence?Theydosobytheirnature.
Otherwise,they'dbeamazinglyshort.
Finally,dotheseexamplescarryinformation?TheonlythingIhaven't
pointedoutabouttheinformationembeddedinacarrierwaveisthatitis
whateverchangesthestateofthereceiver.Adramaticpauseisoneexample
ofsuchinformation.
So,canadramaticpausebecontainedwithinarollercoaster?yes.Guided
meditation?yes.Amusicalcomposition?Yup.Aspeech?Yoobetcha.A
movie?It'salmostclichenow.Astory?Everhearofsuspense?
Thereyougo.Considerthisfinalproofofmycompleteinsanity.
StayFrosty.
Responses(11of11)
NaughtHypnotist:3monthsago
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Where...intheWave...isthetension,the...excitement...themusic....the
intrigue?Notwheremostthinkitis.
MisterMarlonMisterMarlon:3monthsago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uPcqetBDKbU
KainaatKainaat:3monthsago
Where...intheWave...isthetension,the...excitement...themusic....the
intrigue?Notwheremostthinkitis.
Whereisit,andwheredomostpeoplethinkitis?
KnowItAll:3monthsago
Doyouevenknowwhatacarrierwaveis?
AMandFMaretypesofcarrierwaves.SoareUHF,VHF,andcoherentlightin
thatitcanbeusedtotransmitdata.
Lookingatitfromthatview,onethatcomesfromabackgroundoinsuch
things,thevoiceistheprimarycarrierwave.Thesuggestionsarethedata
carriedbyit.
Ibelieveyou'reconflatingideasandthatcreatesconfusion.
It'snotbadtoattempttosimplifythings,butonedoesneedtobemindfulof
factsanddefinitions.Attemptingtouseanalreadydefinedwordtomean
somethingoutisnotoftenleadstoconfusionandmisunderstanding.
Youcanbreakdownthevoicebyhowthepractionermodulatesit,butthatis
justmodificationofthecarrierwave.Thedataisnotmodifiedbythat
modulation.Notfromthepointofviewofthesubconsciousmind.,anyway.
AnarchistAnarchist:3monthsago
@TheMadHatterCNYThedataISchangedbythemodulationofthehuman
voice.ThesubconsciousISveryaffectedbythis.ListentosomeBarryWhite.
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Andyes,I'mawarewhatacarrierwaveis.Didyounotactuallyreadmy
article?DidyouassumeIcanfromabackgroundwhereIwouldn't?I'llgive
youahint:init'sglorydays,radioshackwasatempletomyfamily.
Whenthesubconscioushearsthings,itdoesn'ttakeintoaccountnegatives,
nordoesitcareaboutinflectionsomuch.Ithearsthewordsandtakes
meaningfromthosewordsasitunderstandsthem.Theonlychangeinthe
messagecomesfromthewaythesubconsciousmindisunderstandingthe
informationgiven.
Inflectionispartofinduction.Thatisdealingwiththeconsciousmindandthe
criticalmind.Onceyou'vebypassedthetwothenyou'redealingwiththe
unconsciousmind.You'reconflatingthingsagain.
Ididreadoveryourpost.Tryingtousearollercoasterasanexampleofa
waveisrathersilly,unlessyou'regoingtospecifyoneparticularrollercoaster
becausemanyofthemarenotsosimpleanylonger.Theygoinloops,rolls,
inversions,etc.Maybeyoumeantlikethoselittlekiddyonesatcountyfairs?
That'snotwhatfirstcametomindforme,andifIcanthinkofsomething
differentthanwhatyoumeantthenyoucanbesureotherspicturedother
thantheoldfashionedstraightforwardtypesaswell.
Carrierwavesdonotmodifythedata,unlessyou'retalkingaboutthevery
minutelossesfromthetransmissionandreceivingends,butthat'snot
modification,that'snaturallosses.
HavingspentalotoftimeatRadioShackisnotthesameastheactual
trainingandexperienceIhaveinelectronicsbothdesigning,building,testing
analogcircuitsandsystems,aswellas,testing,maintaining,andrepairing
criticalcommunicationssystemsfromsinglecircuitstohighbandwidth
aggregates.So,howaboutwedon'tgothere,eh?IstartedwithRadioShack,
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soI'mwellawareofwhattheyusedtocarry,andthatwasaboutwhenyou
wereborn.
And,withthat,gooddaytoyou
@ShawnPhoenix
MerlinMerlin:3monthsago
Wellifyouwanttogettechnical,AMandFMaremethodsofimposing
modulation(data)ontocarrierwaves.Theyaren'ttypesofcarrierwaves.
Themostlikely"carrierwaveofhypnosis"isoneneitherofyouhave
mentioned,whichisthemostlikelyofall:brainwaves.Morespecifically,
brainwavesatthealphafrequenciesof812Hz.
Tohavesomeonebecomemorelikelytoacceptyourhypnoticsuggestions,
allyouneedtodoisgettheirbraintoamplifythedecibellevelofthealpha
frequencywavesversustheotherfrequencies.Voila.Notranceneeded.In
fact,tranceiswhatweusetosuggesttothesubjectthattheyareindeednow
hypnotized.ButElmanin1959wasploppingpeopleintoanaesthesiagrade
hypnosisinamatterofsecondswithout"trance".
(AndformyapplicationtotheRadioShackpissingmatch,IsubmitthatIgrew
upinthecitywhereHeinrichHertz(Hz)wasauniversityprofessor)
@Merlin:Ifoundyourlaststatementfunny,Thanks.Iappreciateagoodjunk
kick.Idon'tknowwhereyou'regoingwithyourultratechcomments,butif
youstartathreadforit,I'llgladlydiscussit.
Man,ifIcancombinesomethingasleftbrainedasmyFCClicensewith
somethingasrightbrainedasmyNGHcertification,I'mgonnagoforit.
That'sall.:)
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IthinkIunderstand.
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HynosisInANutshell
byAnarchist3monthsago
Thedefinitionofhypnosisisdifferentdependingonwhoyouask,even
amongskilledhypnotists.Thereasonsforthisislegion,butIthinkI'vefound
awaytoexplainhypnosisinawaythatanyonecanunderstand.
Themainproblemwithhypnosisistheconfusionbetweenthehypnotic
processandwhatisgenerallythoughtofasthe'hypnoticstate.'
Thesocalledhypnoticstateisjustastatewherethehypnoticprocesscanbe
themosteffective.It'slikethatpositionmartialartsexpertscontrivetoget
someoneintosotheycandemonstratetheir'talent'any'offbalance'state
willdo,buttheclicheistogetavolunteertothrustaknifeatthem,which
notonlygetsthejobdoneingettingthemoffbalancebuttheoutstretched
armalsogivesthemartialart'expert'aneasyhandletouse.
Thewaythispositionissimilartothehypnoticstateisthatanyonecanthrow
anyoneoncetheyhavetheiropponentinthisconvenientoffbalance
position(whichI'mtoldneverhappensinarealfight).Similarly,the
hypnoticstateit'seasyforhypnotiststodowhattheydo,butit'sastatethat
almostneverhappensaccidentallyindailylifeexceptinveryspecific
circumstances.
Thehypnoticstateisadeepstateofsuggestibilityinwhichthecriticalmind
hasbeenshutoff.It'sverysimilartoadreamingstatewherenomatterwhat
happens,nomatterhowstrange,youjustgoalongwithit;ifyouare
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dreamingthatyou'reathome,walkthroughadoor,andsuddenlyfind
yourselfinamovietheater,well,that'sjustnormal.
Whatmakesthehypnoticstatesousefultohypnotistsarethreethings
1)thesubjectispassive
2)thesubject'scriticalmindisshutoff
3)thesubject'simaginationisonoverdrive
Withasubjectinthisstateallahypnotisthastodoisspeakanarrativewhich
thesubjectpassivelyfollowalongwith.
Allformsofexperiencewhichrequiresomeonetobecomepassivetoitare
naturallyhypnotic.Mostformsofentertainmentthesedaysarehypnoticin
thiswaymoviesandtelevisionarethemosthypnoticforthemasses,
readingbooksisthemosthypnoticyouprobablywon'tbelieveitfor
thosethatmakethebesthypnoticsubjects.
Inthedaysbeforemassmedia,therhythmicbeatingofadrumandthe
swayingofmovementworkedwell.Theswayingofdanceandtheswayingof
aboatalongthewavesareequallyashypnotic.
Believeitornot,arollercoasterisahypnoticdeviceitrequiresit'sridersto
becomepassivetoitandgoalongfortheride.'Keepyourhandsinthe
coaster'and'youmustbethistalltotakethisride'partofit'sinduction
method.
So,there'sthehypnoticstateandtheprocessofhypnosis.Withthehypnotic
statedefinedasI'vedefinedithere,thehypnoticprocessistheprocessof
directingsomeone'sexperience,andthat'saboutallitreallyis.
Responses(4of4)
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Thecriticalmindisnot"shutoff".
Itis,asalways,aware;however,itisbypassed,whichisverydifferent.
Theimaginationisnotonoverdrive,itisrespondingtothesuggestionsofthe
'Tist.Itmay,ormaynot,embellishYoonthesuggestions.
Thismaybehowyouchoosetoviewhypnosis;thatdoesn'tmakeitcorrect.
@TheMadHatterCNY,onlythesubconsciousisalwaysaware.Hypnosis101.
Therearewaysinwhichthecriticalmindcanbebypassedit'saspecialtyof
advertisers.AlsonoteIsaid'criticalmind',notconsciousmind.Anyclue
why?
Youstatedthatitwasshutoff;itisnot.Itisbypassed.Ididnotmention
consciousmindatall,sowhydidyou?YourresponseonlyrestateswhatI
said.Anyreasonyoudidn'tcatchthat?
Iknowplentyabouthypnosis.Wellpast101.
Inthefuture,considerwhatwasactuallystated,beforeresponding.
Sir_Lone_WolfSir_Lone_Wolf:3monthsago
That'saveryconcisedescription.Thanksforpostingit,@ShawnPhoenix.
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Creatinga"makethispermanent"trigger
byTwinned3monthsago
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Everyscriptthatattemptstodosomethingpermanentendswithpatter
aboutitnowbecomingpermanent.Someincludepatterattemptingto
describeaconceptualframeworkforHOWtomakeitpermanent.
Itwouldbefarmoreeffectivetohaveasessionwhereinthesubjectis
coachedtodefineforthemselveswhatittakestomakeasuggestionbecome
permanent,andthen"lockin"thatprocesswithatrigger.
Thetriggercanthenbeinvokedattheendofanysuggestivetrancework.
So,howwouldone"guide"apersonintothisselfdiscovery?Thismightget
downintotherapeuticterritory.Ormaybenot.
Responses(18of18)
MagicDragonMagicDragon:3monthsago
Myintuitionisthatitwouldtakeanexceptionallyexperiencedandselfaware
subjecttoevenbeabletoattempttodefinethisforthemselves.
Iwilltellyouwhatmypersonalselfhypnosisprocessforpermanenceis,
though.Igothroughalongseriesofexploratoryinductionstoexplore
variousaspectsofwhatIamlookingforuntiltheideaisclearinmymind,
thenIformulateitintoanideaandtryitoutinamentalsafeplacethatIhave
designednottointerferewithoraffectmyreallifeortherestofmyhypnotic
world.Iusuallydiscoverproblemsthatneedtobeworkedout,whichsends
mebackintoexplorationorconscioustinkeringwiththeideauntilit'sright
forme.
Onceitworkswellinthesafespace,Irecordafilethatencodestheideaand
explicitlytrancetoit.Nothingiseverpermanentformethefirsttime,soI
cantryitoutintherealworldandseewhattheconsequencesoflivingthat
wayare.
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Iliketoconceptualizetheideasasgrowinginagarden,Iwaterthemwith
attentionandfertilizethemwithrepetitionofmycarefullydesignedfile.
SometimestheygrowinwaysthatIdidn'tintend,soIhavetoprunethem
backorsometimesripthemoutentirelywithaDeprogramminginduction.
Overtime,withenoughattentionandrepetitiontheideagrowsinmyhead
andstartstosendoutmoreandmoreinfluenceintomyreallife.
Givenenoughattentionandreinforcement,theideaeventuallybecomesso
establishedthatitnolongerneedsexplicitreinforcementandwillpersist
untilIdeliberatelyremoveit.AtthatpointIwouldconsideritaspermanent
asanyotherfeatureofmymind.
Howmuchreenforcing?Mylatestfilehasplayed35timesadaysincemid
Septemberandstillfadeswhennotreinforced.Iestimatethatin6090days
itwillbestableenoughtopersistthroughlongperiodsofnoexpliciteffort.
BigBadBirdBigBadBird:3monthsago
Thesubjectisalreadydefininghowlongandhoweffectiveasuggestionis.
Youcanmakeitmoreconsciousandexplicitthough.
Ilike"Solongasyoufeelitissafeandappropriate,thiswillremainpartof
you.".Anempoweringstatementforthesubjectwhichrecognizesthat
nothingisimmutableandallowstheirjudgementtoremainintactandactive.
Milesx3Milesx3:3monthsago
Themainproblem,thatIsee,ismakingsureyoursubjectisokaywithitbeing
permanent.Obviously,itwillbenearimpossibletomakesomethinglastif
thesubjectdoesn'twantittolast.
Pastthat,whatI'veseenworktomakeitreinforceitselfwouldbeinstillingan
addictiontothefile.MakethesubjectWANTtolistentothefile,orWANT
youtoreinforcethesuggestion,atleasttwoorthreetimesaweekifnotat
leastonceaday.Usethisaddictiontomakethemreinforcethefileontheir
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own.But,again,makesurethey'reokaywiththisbeforehandsothatyou
don'tbreaktheirtrustandruinitall.
TwinnedTwinned:3monthsago
@JackD:Thatrequiresagreatdealofknowledge&participationbythe
trancee.Iwasthinkingofasituationwhereitsthehypnotistsjobtogit'er
donesothetranceedoesnothavetofaceanxietyabout"trying"todo
anything.
@Milesx3:Idon'tthinkthatmereagreement/desirethatitbepermanent
guaranteesthatitwillinfact"take."
Howdeepistheagreementwhichisbeingexpressed?Itmightsometimesbe
justwantingtoplease["Yeshoney..."].Inthatcaseitseemstomethatthe
hypnotistneedsto"sell"theacceptanceinsomeway["ifyouaren'tsureyou
wanttobuyittoday,youcanrenttoown..."].Or"godeeper"whatever
thatmightbetoastatewheretheyaremorereceptive.
Addictionsaresaidtowork,butareinefficientyouwantmoveoninstead
ofspendingallthatvaluabletimeinbruteforcerepetition.Andtheconcept
ofaddictioncanbeasquick.Evenifyoudon'tusetheword,theycanfigure
outtheintentthere.
Andifrepetitionalonecreatespermanence,thenwhatisactuallygoingon?A
scripthasseveralelements:
1)Isitpurelygivingthemenoughtriestofigureouthowtoexpressthe
suggestion?
2)Oristhedesiretomakeitpermanentbeingmadestrongerviarepetition
ofthe"makepermanent"portion[ieAlwaysBeClosing]?Haveyouever
triedbecomingaddictedonlytothe"makeitpermanent"portion?
3)Oristherepetitionoftheinductionmakingthemgotoa"deeper"place
eachtimeuntilfinallythesuggestioncannotberefusedanalogousto
Cycling?
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@LuckyA:Ifempoweringiswhatyouareafter[vsPE]...orsometimesthe
hypnotististaskedwithovercomingreticence,thetranceehavingexplicitly
grantedpermissiontodosotomakechanges.Whichgetsbacktohavingto
"sell"thesuggestionbydiscovering&overcomingobjections.
Iagreethatitisalotofwork@Twinned.Themainreasonitissomuchis
becauseIhavetobesubjectandhypnotistatthesametime,whichmeans
havingtobesuperonguardagainstmysubconscioustwistingmydesiresinto
somethingotherthanwhatIwant.
Thekeythingthatweallagreeonisthatpermanentchangesneedtobe
exploredandcarefullyconsidered,becausewhentheyworktheyareusually
noteasilydeprogrammed.
Suggestionsareaseasytochange/removeastheyaretoputin.Ifthesubject
isreadytoreleasethem,theyarereleased.
dixtodixto:3monthsago
Speakingformyself,andpossiblyapplicabletoothersubsisthedesirebeing
sodeep,ifatallselfanalytical,asubshoulddefinitelyknowkeywordsor
phrasesthatwouldsweepitaway...bigtime
@BigBadBirdIwishthiswereso.Mysubconscioussometimeshangsonto
ideasverystrongly,usuallyonesIdon'tlike.IfonlyIcouldmakesomeofmy
favoritesstickaroundaswellastheannoyingones.
<<Suggestionsareaseasytochange/removeastheyaretoputin.Ifthe
subjectisreadytoreleasethem,theyarereleased.>>
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Theword"easy"isambiguousandmisleading.Infact,soistheentire
statement.
shrug.Ifthesubjecthasanattachmenttothesuggestion,thenitwillstay
attached.
Theissueisoftenthesubjectfeelsmixed/conflictedaboutit,notthatthe
suggestionitselfisdifficulttoremove.
Dragohaveyoudoneworktostrengthenyourabilitytodetachandalter
suggestions?Thatis,afterall,asuggestioninitselfandoneyouseemto
desire.
Feelingmixed/conflictedhasalottodowithinitialacceptanceaswell.Hence
my"renttoown"comment,wrtmakingthepropositionmorepersuasive.
"Free30daytrial"mightworktoo.
I'musingalotofschlocksalesmanspeaklatelybecauseI'vebeenreading
aboutthehistoryofbehaviormodification,andthere'salotofsalesoriented
stuffmixedinwithit.
Firstone'sfree.;)
@BigBadBirdseeabove,IhaveawholeprocessIworkanddeprogramisa
partofit.
Unfortunately,whenyouareconflictedaboutasuggestion,youoftencan't
musterthewilltodeprogramit.Myconsciousmindwantsitgone,my
subconsciousbumpsmeoutoftrancebeforeIcangettothedeprogram
suggestionsandtheydon'ttake.
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Whydoyoubelieveyouneedtobeintrancetodoremoval/alteration?
Thisremovalquestionisinterestingbutdeservesitsownthreadinsteadof
hidingitwiththis"creation"thread.
MybehaviorIcancontrolconsciously,andIcanmakeprettygoodprogress
withattitudesandopinionsconsciouslythroughanalyzingmyprogrammed
responsesandthinkingcriticallyaboutthemandsimplychoosingtothink
differently,butmyperceptionisanothermatter.
HowdoIchosetoundo"thisnolongerfeelsgood"withoutaccesstothe
abilitytochangeperception?
Absenthypnoticinfluence,itjustfeelslikeitfeels.Ihavelearnedtocope
withanewnormal,butthatdoesnotmeanthatIlikethatnormal.
Ontheotherhand,IamamuchmoreenthusiasticfuckernowthatIcan't
pleasuremyselfanymore,soIcanseewhymysubconsciousmindpushes
thatone.Theexactsamebehaviorfeelsgoodifsomeoneelsedoesitforme,
butitfeelsworsethananythingtodoittomyself,andnotevenina
masochisticallyenjoyablesenseeither.
BlackShadowBlackShadow:3monthsago
Itstrikesmethatanimportantkeytomakingasuggestionlongtermrather
thantemporaryistheideaofnormalitywhenyou'rehappy,yousmile;
whensomethinggetsupyournose,yousneeze;whensomeonegripsthe
backofyourneck,youdropintotrance.It'sthedifferencebetweendoing
somethingbecauseahypnotisttoldyouto,anddoingsomethingbecause
that'showyourespondinthatsituation.
Constantrepetitionisonewayofkeepingasuggestioneffectivelongenough
forittobecomeahabit,but,whileeachrepetitiondoesreinforcethe
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suggestion,italsoremindsyouthatitisasuggestionthatyourbehavioris
artificialratherthannatural.Whilethatmaynotsoundlikesuchabadthing,
itdoesmeanthatyou'rereinforcingtheideathatthenewbehaviour
dependsonthefile,andthatceasingtolistentothelatterwilltendtoend
theformer.
Workingwithsomeonedirectly,ratherthansendingrecordingsintothe
world,asuggestion'seffectivelifespancanusuallybeextendedsimplyby
remindingthemaboutitbeforeitappliesratherthangrabbingsomeone's
neck,havingithavenoeffect,andthentryingtorecoverfromthere,remind
themofwhathappenswhenyougrabthemthere,andthendemonstrate.
Forfiles,usingabooster/reinforcementfiletopracticerespondingtospecific
triggerswouldbemoreeffectivethanrepeatingtheritualofestablishingthe
triggersinthefirstplaceanditsendsabettermessagethatthetriggers
willworkwithoutneedingtobeconstantlyreinstalled.
@Grey:"animportantkeytomakingasuggestionlongtermratherthan
temporaryistheideaofnormality"
Verygoodpoint.Soperhapsthesessiontocreatethetrigger(backtothe
point...)couldtalkaboutthingsthatarenormal,or"automaticlike
breathing"andsomehowthetriggerbringsasetofexamplesof"normal,
automatic,reflexive,unthinking,happy,contented,fulfilled,connected,etc"
thoughtstothesubject'sstateofmindandlinksthecurrentsuggestionto
thatcollectivestateofmind.
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Viewpointsonhowmanyrepetitionsasuggestionrequirestotakeeffect
byTwinned2monthsago
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Iwasreadingthewebsiteofatherapistwhotrains(sells)hisparticularvariety
oftherapeutictechnique.
OneaspecthetermsDirectDrive,whichseemstoberepetitionatleast15
times.Icangetafeelforhowoldhisconceptis,becauseherecommends
thatthetherapistsavehisvoicebyrecordingthesuggestionona"looped
cassettetape."
SoI'mwonderingiftherearevarious"textbook"theoriesonrepetition.
Responses(30of30)
Noidea,butideascanbecomestrongandpermanentinoneiteration.And
somecannevertakeroot.
Whichistherealartofhypnosis,notthehypnosisitself,butcraftingthe
contextforwhichsuccessoccurs.
leissalleissal:2monthsago
Surelythiswouldnotonlyvaryfrompersontoperson,butlikeLAsaid,from
suggestiontosuggestion?Idon'thonestlythinkyou'regonnagetaset
answeronthistbh.
GuiltyGuilty:2monthsago
ThattapeloopsoundsanawfullotlikeJerry"compound,compound,
compound"Kein:)
The"textbook"theoryhegives(justsaying,notnecessarilyagreeingonthis
one)oncompoundingisthateverylatersugestioncompoundstheearlier
ones,furthersoyoucouldalsogive"truesuggestions"afterthesuggestion
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youwanttocatchonandthefifteenthrepeatdoesn'tjustrepeatonce,but
alsocompounds1through14.
Thetapeloopistopreventnotjusthoarsevoicebutalsohypnotistboredom
andhypnotistfallsasleepduringtherapysession.
It'snotmyfavouritetechnique,asyoumayhavenoticed:)
teamfluffy:2monthsago
Theonly"textbook"theoriesthatIknowarethatrepetitioncreatestruth.
Repetitioncreatestruth.Themoreoftenyouhearsomething,themorelikely
youaretotakeitastruth.
WhatItellyouthreetimesistrue.Althoughtellingyoutwiceismoretrue
thantellingyouonce.Tellingyouonceissignificantlymoretruethannever
tellingyou.Buttellingyoufourtimesdoesn'tmakeitanylesstrue.
Commercials,especiallytherepetitionofcommercialsandcommercial
advertisingisbased,inpart,onthispremise.
Repetitionistruth.
WrathWrath:2monthsago
Yeah,repetitionisbullshit.Agoodsubjectwillpickupyoursuggestionas
soonasyou'veexplaineditwell.Ashyorinexperiencedsubjectwillrequire
moreconvincing.
Repetitionmakessomethingeasiertoremember.
Repetitionwithvariationcanhelpwithcomprehension.
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Manytraditionalstoriesfeaturethreefoldrepetition,withatwistinthethird
time,whichmaybeabetterstructuretoborrowthanendlessrepetition
(unlessyou'replayingintoabrainwashingfantasy,inwhichcase,themore
repetition,thebetter)
Really?Themorerepetitionthebetter?
Mesmer7Mesmer7:2monthsago
Yearsago(late1980s,early1990s?)therewasanadforasubliminaltape
thatpromisedto'bombard'themindwith100sofrepetitionsofamessage.
Sothisideahasbeenaroundformorethantwodecades.
Butwhilerepetitiondoesmakesomethingseasiertoremember,
bombardmentcreatesirritation.Thinkabouthowmanytimesyou'vebeen
bombardedbycertainadvertisements.Themoreyouyouseeacertainad,
themoreyouwanttoresistit,shutitout,muteit,orstranglethedamn
advertiser.
Ifyouwantasuggestiontotakeeffect,youhavetocreateacontextinthe
subject'smindthatwillencouragethemtoembracethesuggestion
enthusiastically.Contextandassociationmoreimportantthanrepetition.
Theprocessofacceptingasuggestionissomethingofablackbox.
Mygirlhasrespondedtosuggestionsbysaying"Idon'tknowHOW"soitsnot
merelyamatterofembracingtheconcept.
Thenthereistheindividual'sdominantmodalityofrespondingbetterto
physicallyoremotionallyphrasedsuggestions.
Reiterationisnotquitethesameasstraightrepetition.
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Mygirlhasrespondedtosuggestionsbysaying"Idon'tknowHOW"
thenyourwordingwasn'tclear.Repetitionwouldn'thelpinthiscase.
Reiterationmight.
No,shesimplycan'tperformthesortofphysicalthingstheerotichypno
bookstalkaboutasbeingsosimple.Forexample,tryingtodoanykindof
arousaltriggerviahavingherimagine/remember/fantasizeagreatorgasm
shecan'tdothat.
THATiswhatI'mtryingtoaccomplish.
hitkeytoosoon...forexample,ahandstrokerememberingdifferentthings
oneachfinger,whichwillbecombinedintoanorgasmtrigger:
1)rememberpleasureofagoodmeal
2)arememberromantictime
3)atimewhenyoufeelcompletelyfree/uninhibited
4)atimewhenyouwereoverpoweringlyaroused,craving,wantingetcetc
Shecandothefirst3,butnotthe4th.
Thereareseveraloptionsforhowtorespondtosomeonebeingunableto
rememberatimewhentheywereoverpoweringlyaroused:
A)Getthemtoimaginehowitfeelstobeintenselyaroused,tothepointof
losingcontrol.
B)Getthemtorememberoneoftheirbestorgasms,oroneoftheirmost
powerfullyarousingexperiences,andbuildonthatmemory.
C)(possiblythemostfun)Getthemsuitablyarousedusingwhatever
techniquesseemmostenjoyable,andthenusethatasabaseline/reference
example.
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Ofcourse,theotherpossibilityisthatit'snotsomuch"can't"as"won't"
thattheyhavehadsuitableexperiences,andcoulddrawuponthemtoget
outofcontrolaroused,buttheyeitherdon'twanttorelivethatforsome
reason,ordon'twantyoutobeabletoreproduceitsoeasilyforsome
reason.Eitherway,tryingotherwaysofinstallingthetriggeris,atbest,going
togetnowhere;atworst,it'sgoingtomakethemlesscooperativeinfuture.
Youneedtoaddresstheactualreasonthesuggestionsaren'tworking(which
maymeanacceptingthatthey'rejustnotgoingto)beforeyoutryfixing
them.
Whatmakesthingseasytoremember,outsideofhypnosis,isassociation
withthegustatorysense,forsometheolfactorysensehelps,too,andthen
thereisthegoodoldstandardofputtingittosong.Giveitabeat,rhyme,and
makeitatuneandmemoryincreasessignificantly.It'swhyyougetthose
damnedsongsfromadvertsstuckinyourhead.It'swhythosechildhood
rhymesthatarenolongermeaningfulweresoeasytorememberandstill
yourememberthemalltheseyearslater.It'swhyBardswereabletopasson
informationsoeasily,too.
Maryhadalittlelamb
ItsyBitsySpider
PeasPorridgeHot
LondonBridge
RingaroundtheRosie
MarchingCadencesingeneral
Andsomanymore...
Callnowandwe'llincludeaspecialeditionofLissyBordon!
EriccEricc:2monthsago
Iftheelasticbreaksinawoman'sunderwear,andherbloomersdroptoher
ankles,youwon'tneedanyrepetitionstorecogniseorimprintthetruth.Easy
toinstallsomethingifemotionsarearousedforeasyrecallatalaterdate.
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Repetitionsareneededtooverwriteanoldbeliefthatisstubborn.
Imagining&rememberingareveryweakforher.Alsotriedgivingheravery
bigOandthenhavinghercreateaplacetostoreitwhereshecanbringitout
again.Didn'tstick.
ThishastodowithherbeingsoverydominatedbyEmotionalSexuality.
Physicalpassionisanoccasionalneedthathastobedealtwith,butthen
oncetheitchisscratched,lockedawayagainsoitceasesoverwhelmingthe
dominantpartofherpersonality.
It'stotallyunpredictable.IlistenedtoDaveElmaninhistrainingclassesfor
doctorsanddentistsgivesomeoneasuggestionforanesthesiainamatterof
about30secondsandthenhadadentistprobehergumswithapicktoprove
thatshefeltnothing.30seconds.Norepetitionatall.Someonereceiveda
suggestiontostopsmokinginonehypnotherapysessionandwentfrom5
packsadaytozerointhatonesession.
Thereisnotextbookforthis,andthat'swhyMP3sandcannedscriptsareof
suchlowvalue.Ittakesahypnotisttocalibratethesuggestionstothe
particularindividualandrepeatthethingsthatdidn'ttake,judgethedepthof
hypnosisandtweakittogetthedesiredresults.
judgethedepthofhypnosisandtweakittogetthedesiredresults.
Yes;generally"deeper"istakentobeaeuphemismfor"moresuggestible"
butIsometimeswonderaboutthat.Howdoyoujudgewhenapersonis
maximallysuggestible?
SkorpyunSkorpyun:2monthsago
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First,wheneverIfindresistancetomysuggestionsIassumeI'vetakentoobig
abiteandneedtomoveinsmallerstepstothedesiredgoal.Dropbackthen
nudge,nudge,nudgegetsthemontargetbetterthanahardpushthatcauses
themtopushback.
Second,themoreIuseDrDonGibbonsBESTMEtechniqueforsuggestions
themoreIloveit.Itreplaceslargenumbersofrepetitionwithvarietyand
involvementofthesubjectinthesuggestion.I'llstartwithtwodirect
statementsofthesuggestion,thendoaBESTME,thenfollowwithathird
directstatement.So,withBESTMEstandingforOrienting(B)eliefs,{or
(B)ehaviorswhichIoftensubstituteinstead}(E)xpectations,(S)ensations,
automatic(T)houghts,(M)otivesand(E)motionsasuggestioncyclewould
looklikethisforsomeonewhoalreadyhasacumoncommandtrigger
installedandcanatleastimaginehavingadirectedorgasm:
YourabilitytoexperienceorgasmsdoubleswitheverytimeIgiveyouyour
command.(Direct1)That'sright,everytimeyouhearmyvoicegiveyour
yourcommandtheintensityofyourneedtoorgasmdoubles.(Direct2)You
knowyoucanexperienceintenseorgasms(orientingBelief)andasyou
approachorgasm,yourknowledgethateachorgasmismoreintensethanthe
lastgrowswithyourarousal.(Expectation)Everynerve,everymuscle,every
fiberofyouryourentirebeingisachingtofeelthealmostoverwhelming
releaseatorgasm(Sensation)sothatyoumindfillsmoreandmorewith
incredible,delicious,irresistibleanticipationofthegrowingneedtofeelthat
releasewitheachpassingsecond(automaticThoughts)Eachpassingmoment
yourdesiretofeelthatexplosiongrowing,growingandeveryatominyour
bodyyearningforthatunbelievablerelease(Motivation)asyourealizethe
pleasureyouareabouttoexperienceatorgasmexceedsanythingyou'vefelt
before(Emotion)That'sright,yourabilitytoexperienceorgasmincreases
witheverytimeyouhearmyvoicegiveyouthecommand.(Direct3)
Countdownandtriggerthecumoncommandsignalandifshegivesyouany
positiveresponse,praiseit.Ifitdoesn'tgivethefulleffectyouwantaftera
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coupletimesthrough,I'dstartaskingaboutindividualaspectsofthe
commandandfindoutmorepreciselywheretheresistanceis,thenbackoff
tosomethingmorecomfortablewithjustthatelementandjustnudgeher.5
smalladjustmentsareinfinitelybetterthanonebigadjustmentthatcauses
majorresistance.
Also,youmaywanttoinstallatriggerforasenseofaccomplishmentandfire
thatoffasarewardeverytimeshesuccessfullyfollowseventhesimplest
instructions.Sinceorgasmisthegoalhere,youneedtherewardas
somethingseparatewhichiswhyIchoseaccomplishment.Butonlyyouwill
knowexactlywhatemotiontouseasrewardsinceyouknowher.
Giveitawhirlandifitdon'tdothetrickwe'llallkeepbrainstorming.:)
CapturedWillCapturedWill:2monthsago
wowalotofamazinginformationhere.I'llhavetologsomeoftheseideas
away.OnesmallthingIcanoffertothisconversationMastermakesME
repeatthingsthathewantsmetobelieve.Sometimeswiththethreatofno
sexualattentionifIdon't.Ithasdonealottoprogramme.IfeelIcan'tkeep
fromrepeatingwhenhegivesmeaprompttostart.
SittingBullSittingBull:2monthsago
I'dsayitistheimpactthatmeters.Influencedbysuggestibility,appeal,
context,presentation,attachedemotionandimmersion.Repetitionmightbe
atoolto,Iguess.LikeinRLsomethingsgetinternalizedbyrepeatingthemad
nauseam,somegetimprintedimmediately,havingastrongimpactforsome
reason..
What'sthebestsourceforlearningBESTME?Andanythingconcentratingon
erotichypnousage?
ElsewhereSkorpyunmentionedDr.DonGibbonsbook_ExperienceasanArt
Form_.
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Ifoundanarticleaboutit:
MultimodalSuggestionforFacilitatingMeditationandPrayer
(FromHYPNOS,June,2004,Vol.XXXINo.2,pp.8993.bypermission.)
TheBestMeTechnique(BMT)ismodeledafterthemultimodaltherapyof
ArnoldLazarus(1989,1997),whoseapproachispredicateduponthe
assumptionthatchangecanbemorerapidlyandmoreeffectivelybrought
aboutbyworkingsimultaneouslywithseveraldifferentmodesofexperience.
Lazarusemploystheacronym,BASICI.D.,torefertothedimensionsofhis
therapeuticendeavors,whichencompassbehavior,affectiveresponses,
sensations,cognitions,interpersonalrelationships;anddrugs,biological
functions,nutrition,andexercise.
Forthepastfiveyears,IhavebeenmodifyingLazaruscategoriesintoa
procedureforconstructinghypnoticsuggestionsforusewithsufficiently
responsiveclients,ontheassumptionthattherapyinhypnosiswillalso
proceedmorerapidlyandmoreeffectivelyifsuggestionsareformulatedin
suchamannerastosystematicallyandcomprehensivelyinvolveseveral
differentmodesofexperience.Takentogether,theelementsofthis
techniqueformtheacronym,BESTME,andmaybesummarizedasfollows
(Gibbons,2001).
SNIP
SkorpyunSkorpyun:about1monthago
HeyTwinned.Beenbusywithalltheholidaystuff,soalittleslowgettingback
tothispost.
BESTMEisindeedlaidoutinExperienceasanArtForm.Healsoincludesa
chapteronusingBESTMEinasextherapysession,butthemajorityofthe
restofthebookisabouthisconceptofhyperempiriawhichisessentially
heighteningthesensesandincreasingresponsivenesstostimulation.Healso
spendsabitoftimeonhistheorythatthehypnotistusesconsciousnessthe
samewayanartistusespaintsandbrushes,oramusicianusesnotesand
lyricstocreateexperiences.Weare,ifyouwill,sculptorsofreality.
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Therearemultipleexamplesofhyperempiricsessionapersonmightuse,and
hedoesitallwitha"wink,wink,nudge,nudge"attitude,droppingmajor
hintsthatsuchtechniquesmightbecreativelyusedformuchmore
adventurousthings.UndertheheadingBESTMEsuggestionsforSexual
Enhancement,hemakesitapointthatthetechniquescanbeusedfor
enhancinganymutuallyagreeduponexperiencethepeopleinvolveddesire.
Elsewherehe'sabitmoreimplicitratherthanexplicit.
Hisotherbook,AppliedHypnosisandHyperempirarepeatsmuchofwhatis
inExperienceasanArtForm,plusaddsalotmoreinthewayofsuggested
guidedimagery,againrepeatedlydroppinghintsthatallofitcanbeusedfor
intensifyingsexualencountersandshouldbeaspurtothepractitioner's
imagination.OddlythoughtheBESTMEtechniquedoesn'tmakean
appearanceinthisbook.
Soifsomeoneisinterestedinonlylearningthetechniqueitself,Experience
asanArtFormisthewaytogo.ButifthelargertechniqueofHyperempiriais
thegoal,gettingbothbooksisprobablybest,evenifthereisacertain
amountofrepeatedinformation.Iboughtbothofmineatthesametime,
usedandonlineandpaidlessthan20bucksshippingincluded.Icountitas
oneofthebestpurchasesI'veevermade.
The_Baron14The_Baron14:about1monthago
Agreewith@Merlin"Thereisnotextbookforthis,andthat'swhyMP3sand
cannedscriptsareofsuchlowvalue.Ittakesahypnotisttocalibratethe
suggestionstotheparticularindividualandrepeatthethingsthatdidn'ttake,
judgethedepthofhypnosisandtweakittogetthedesiredresults."
Repetitionemphasizesasuggestion;ifthesuggestionisbeingwrittenona
blankslate,oncemaywellbeenough.
Onewellcraftedsuggestionisbetterthanbadlycraftedonesrepeatedad
nauseum.
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There'savarietyofthingsthatgointooraffectaccepting/believinga
suggestion,andrepetitionshouldbetreatedasalockpicintheset,nota
skeletonkey
NaughtHypnotist:about1monthago
<<that'swhyMP3sandcannedscriptsareofsuchlowvalue.Ittakesa
hypnotisttocalibratethesuggestionstotheparticularindividualandrepeat
thethingsthatdidn'ttake,judgethedepthofhypnosisandtweakittoget
thedesiredresults.">>
Idisagree.Awellwrittenbook,aswellasaskillfullycraftedmp3canbevery
effective.
BlackShadowBlackShadow:about1monthago
Hypnosismp3sandcannedscriptsarelikeofftherackclothingthey're
designedtofitwellenoughonareasonablenumberofpeople,butthey're
notaperfectfitforanyone.Alivesessionwithahypnotist(orabespoke
mp3/scriptfromsomeonewhoknowsyouwellenough)istheequivalentofa
tailoredsuitorafittedweddingdress.
Amassmarkettrancecanbeveryeffective,butapersonalisedoneismore
likelytobe.
TwinnedTwinned:about1monthago
AppliedHypnosisandHyperempirarepeatsmuchofwhatisinExperience
asanArtForm,
OK,bothw/postagewasunder$30.Thehardpartisfindingthetimetoread
&STUDYit.
<<Amassmarkettrancecanbeveryeffective,butapersonalisedoneismore
likelytobe.>>
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Ifyou'rehungryandthere'snootherplacearound,formiles,you'regoing
intothedrivethru,atMcDonald's.
TwinnedTwinned:about1monthago
Iorderedthosetwobooks.Nowthehardpartisfindingqualitytimeto
STUDYthem...
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GettingStartedonaBudget
bysmoothcriminal7monthsago
Erotichypnotismsoundsintriguing.IfIweretolearnhowtohypnotizeonly
forthesakeofhavingfunwithmypartner(nostageacts,notheropy
sessions),whatbooksoronlineresourceswouldyousuggestIpursue?
Preferablystuffthat'sfreeorcheap.Idon'twanttospendthousandsof
dollarsoncoursessinceI'dnotbeusingitforprofessionalpurposes.I'vetried
someGooglesearches,butprettymucheverysiteIfindjustfeelslikeaslick
marketingscamthatwilloverpromiseandunderdeliver.Thanks!
Responses(24of24)
RajaRaja:7monthsago
InAmazon,MarkWiseman's"MindPlay"isagoodbook.
Also,mcstories.comhasastory,Busman'sHoliday,thatisbasicallyahowto
guide.
HypnoMediaHypnoMedia:7monthsago
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IsecondRaja'srecommendation.MarkisamajorNameinthehypnosisfetish
communityforhisskillandenthusiasmforerotichypnosis.Heisalso
professionallytrainedandisapopularinstructoratevents.
Mark(alongwithanumberofothers)willbeatCONVENTION,theMidwest
EroticHypnosisUnConferencenextweek(July1820)inChicago.Registration
isstillopenfortheevent.
There'sno"basically"toit.MarkWisemanalsowrote"Busman'sHoliday"
andwilloutrightadmititisahowtoguideforhypnosis.
Youcanfindthestory:here
ScaryNightScaryNight:7monthsago
Therewillbeplentyofpoopoofacesformesuggestingitbutthereiseasilya
hundredhoursofbothabsolutelyamazingandabominablevideoon
YouTube.Byfarmorethanenoughtodowhatyouareasking.Somegood
onestolearnfromareAnthonyJaquin(RealityisPlasticisthebookfor
beginnersthathewrote...greatinitialread),IgorLedochowski,Richard
Nongard,andmanyothers.
Foreveryteninanevideosthere'sonegreatonewithsomeactual
educationalvalue.
DreamWarriorDreamWarrior:7monthsago
Mark'sbookisfantastic,butifyouwantamoregeneralguidetohypnosisin
general,thefree"FoundationsinHypnotherapy"classfromHMIisworththe
trouble.Seeitathttp://www.hypnosis.edu.
RajaRaja:7monthsago
Scarythereareplentyofyoutubevideos,butifyoudon'tknowsomebasics,
it'sreallydifficulttoevaluatewhichonesaregoodforlearningfromand
whicharen't.
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Hatter,thanksforlinking!IwasonmobileorIwouldhavedoneit.:)
Ohdearlordreally...?
Ifyouhavehalfadamnbrainandareequippedwiththesensetoevenbegin
learningthisthenyoucanfigureoutwhatiswhat.Ifnotyououghtnotbe
doingthis.Thisisn'tthemedievalsciencevsmagicdebateandwedon'thave
tocoddlepeopleareontheInternet.
RajaRaja:7monthsago
Ormaybe,justmaybe,theotherresourcespostedhavelessonsonethicsand
ethicswhenyou'replayingwithsomeone'smindarejustaweebitimportant,
Scary.Stuffthatmightbeobviouswhenyou'retyingsomeoneupgetsabit
morehairywhenyou'reintheirmind.
Ally_BrinkenAlly_Brinken:7monthsago
Iwouldn'trecommendyoutube.Notbecauseoftheethicsthing,I'm
personallyanunethicalmonster.Butbecausethereissomuchthatislow
quality!MarkWiseman'sbookisafarfarbetterbet.Itwaswhatallowedme
tobecomethesuccessfulhypnodommeandfindommeIamtoday.
Getthisbook...don'treadthatone...YouTubesux,watchvideos....whydoes
learningboildowntooneway,onemethod.Iwillsaythebestwaytolearnis
experientially,butthere'sabudgetand...likeeverythingelse....yougetwhat
youpayfor.
^^that...
smoothcriminalsmoothcriminal:7monthsago
Thanks!I'llcheckouthisbook.OnereasonwhyIwantagoodrecomendation
asopposedtotrialanderrorisIknowthatifIseriouslyblowitthefirstone
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ortwotimesthenthatwillbetheendofit.Negativefirstimpressionandits
done.Forexample,IsawoneYouTubevideothatseemedprettyBStome.
Maybeworksforexperts,butitclaimed"goodforbeginners"wheretheguy
didaninductioninsecondsbystartlinghiswomanwithaloudshout.I'm
prettyconfidentthat'djuststartleanyoneItrieditonandleaveabad
impressionofhypnosis.HopefullyMr.Wiseman'sbookwillleadmedownthe
aproductivepath.Thanksagain!
BlissSmashedBlissSmashed:7monthsago
Anythingcanbeusedasaninduction,soalsoshouting.Itsnotsomethingi
wouldprefertoyouuseorwouldenjoymyself.Butitispossible.Whatyou
needtodoisfindthingsthatbothyouandyourpartner(s)enjoy.Youcan
alsosignupforhypbook.comtheyhavefreeonlineclassesfromtimetotime.
AndialsohighlyrecommendMarkWiseman'sbook!
UltimateWarriorUltimateWarrior:7monthsago
Forageneralintroduction,HMIoffersafreeonline"Foundations"course.
Evenifyouultimatelydecidetheirmodelisnotforyou,it'suseful.
I'vecomeacrossthreebasicwaystolearnhypnosis:
study"HowTo"guidesbooks,videos,mp3s,liveclasseswhateversuits
you
behypnotisedyourselfevenifyoudon'tconsciouslyrememberwhat
happened,yoursubconsciouswillstillhaveexperiencedwhatworksonyou
soyou'llhavewhatamountstoalearnedinstinctforthepatter.Themore
youconsciouslyrememberaboutit,theeasieritistomimic,thoughifyou
haveaskilledhypnotist,theinductionandsuggestionsaregoingtobe
tailoredtoyouspecificallyratherthantowhoeveryouenduphypnotising.
read/watchalotoffictionabouthypnosis,figureoutwhichbitsarebeing
writtenfromexperience,andextrapolatehowmuchisstuffthatonlyworks
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underidealcircumstances,andhowmuchisactuallygenerallyvalid.Ionly
mentionthisapproachbecauseit'sprettymuchhowIdidit,soitcanwork,
butonlyifyourmindworksthatway...
ReadBusman'sHolidayanyway.
Startlingsomeoneisthebasisofalotofinstantinductionsonethatwomen
cangetawaywithmoreeasilythanmenistoexposeyourselftosomeone
afterestablishingexpectationtheydon'tknowhowtoreact,exceptthat
you'vealreadytoldthemhow,so,ratherthanfiguringoutwhattodo,they
canjustenjoystaringanddropintotrance...
MasterChinMasterChin:6monthsago
http://www.asstr.org/~Wiseguy/index.html
Hereishissite.
DragonPriestDragonPriest:6monthsago
HelloI'mnewhere,buthavebeenatherapistforanumberofyears.IMHO
learningisbestdonefromareputablesourcethatcanexplainthedifficulties
youcangetintoifnottreatedwithcaution.However,Iammoreinterested
inwhatyouareseeking,mostgoodtherapistswouldbeabletoinstall
enhancementsuggestionstogetherwithhooksandtriggersthatmightbe
safer.Worthathought...
mindguidemindguide:6monthsago
Gotothelibrary.Getbooksonhypnosis(Aroundthedeweynumber155.35).
Readthem.Practice.Talktootherpeopleabouttheirexperiences.Practice
more.
HiDragonPriest.
However,Iammoreinterestedinwhatyouareseeking...
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I'minanopenmindedmonogamousrelationship,intendtostaytotogether
untilwedie.Can'tsayIknowexactwhatI'mlookingforbeyondtryingto
expandourhorizons,trynewthingsinthelimitedtimewehaveonthis
planet.Thoughifwehavetogotoadoctor'sofficetogetsomebedroom
triggersfroma3rdpartythenIthinkwe'dratherexploreotherthingstohave
funinthebedroom.
HiDragonPriest.
However,Iammoreinterestedinwhatyouareseeking...
I'minanopenmindedmonogamousrelationship,intendtostaytotogether
untilwedie.Can'tsayIknowexactwhatI'mlookingforbeyondtryingto
expandourhorizons,trynewthingsinthelimitedtimewehaveonthis
planet.Thoughifwehavetogotoadoctor'sofficetogetsomebedroom
triggersfroma3rdpartythenIthinkwe'dratherexploreotherthingstohave
funinthebedroom.
Here'sthemostfamousinductionintheworld,andrightlysobecauseitis
probablythemostefficientwaytoachievegooddepthin3minutesandvery
fewpeoplewillnotgointotrancewhen'subjected'toit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5rXsq3ZL9o
InadditiontoMindPlaywhichhasalreadybeenmentioned,takealookat
PeterMasters'LookIntoMyEyes
Youcanalsogetsomeinterestingideasjustfromwatchingthefreeintro
videoattheRenegadeHypnotistProject:
http://renegadehypnotist.com/
DragonPriestDragonPriest:6monthsago
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Myprevioussuggestionwasamatterofsafety.AsRajasaid,"Stuffthatmight
beobviouswhenyou'retyingsomeoneupgetsabitmorehairywhenyou're
intheirmind."
Whenlearningyoucanstartwithwebsearchessuchas"learnhypnosis"or
"hypnoticinduction",thensimplyreadandabsorb.Ifyouhavealocallibrary
checkoutbookslikethe"Idiot'sGuides"whichdocontainvaluable
information.
Iwishyouwell.
HandyRandHandyRand:6monthsago
Whatyouhavelearnedhereisthatyoureallydon'thavetospendanything
whenlearningtobeahypnotist.Afteryoulearntodoacoupleofinductions,
deepeners,aconvinceroftwo,andhaveagoodwakeupyourahypnotist.
Butnotreally,therearethreeotherthings,oneexperience,oandpractice,
developapattertodrivehomeyoursuggestions,andlearnhowtoform
suggestions,firstonpaper,andlateronthefly.WhenyoudoEroticHypnosis,
pleaserememberthatwomenstillneedaperiodofarousal,don'ttrytopush
tooquickly.Thisiswhereyourpatterisimportant,whenyoubuildher
arousal,beexplicitandallowherimaginationtofeelyourwords.
GlobeTrotteurGlobeTrotteur:about1monthago
Greatinfos.
____________________________
"Can'tmakeyoudoanythingyouwouldn'tdonormally"
byMotwawabout1monthago
Thishasbeenastapleplatitudeofourcommunity.I'mnotsureIbelieveit.
http://youtu.be/oC9J6O6soHA
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Now,acoupleofcaveatshere.Theindividualselectedwashandpickedforhis
suggestibility,andDerrenBrownisamaster,butwetelloursubjectsthey
can'tbemadetodosomethingtheywouldn'tnormallydo.Anyoneelsefeel
dishonestaboutthatfact?
Previous12Next
Responses(150of53)
MasterFlexMasterFlex:about1monthago
Ifigurethatthepeoplewhosaythataretellingthetruth.
Hypnodom1Hypnodom1:about1monthago
I'dsaythatistruthunlessyouhaveahypnotistwithanagenda,andthenhe
candoasDerrendidandprogramthesubjectovertime.
SymetrieSymetrie:about1monthago
wetelloursubjectstheycan'tbemadetodosomethingtheywouldn't
normallydo.
Thevideoaside,thatquestionmademelaughasIreaditthinking"Isn'tan
alteredstatetobeginwithsomethingunboundbytheconfinesofnormal?"
GrandPaDeSadeGrandPaDeSade:about1monthago
Ihavebeenahypnotherapistforaround40years,andhavebeenpresenting
EroticHypnosisWorkshopsforatleast20.
Actually,"Can'tmakeyoudoanythingyouwouldn'tdonormally"isa
somewhatfalsestatement.Revisingitto"Can'tmakeyoudoanythingthatis
stronglyagainstyourmoralcode"wouldmakeitaccurate.Almostasa
matterofcourseIhavepeopledothingstheywouldnotnormallydo.Oneof
thethingshypnosisisverygoodatisloweringinhibitions.
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Iquiteoftenhavepeopledothingstheywouldnotnormallydo.Itdepends
ononthesubject,thehypnotist,howdeepyoucangetthesubject,andhow
theyfeelaboutwhatyouwantthemtodo.
HypnoticNow:about1monthago
Firstoff,whothefucktellsasubject"Theycan'tbemadetodosomething
theywouldn'tnormallydo"?Icanseewheretheconceptof"Can'tbemade
todosomethingtheywouldn'tbeWILLINGtodo,"though,andit'sstillalittle
off...
Yousee,I'vebeensayingforthelongesttime:"Youcanbefasttalkedwhile
fullyawareandawake,soyoucanbewhilehypnotized.Payattentiontoyour
gut,andifsomethingfeelsoff,orwrong,don'tignorethatgutfeeling,
becausesomethingverywellmightbewrong."Ithelpstoreinforce
consciouslythat"ifyoufeelthatway,theremightbegoodreasonforit,don't
assumeyou'reparanoid."
Manywillignorethatlittlevoicesaying"Something'swroooooong,"and
manymorecomeintothisfetishwithafantasyfor"mindcontrol,"which
makesthemconsiderthe"consensualnonconsent"directiongiventhe
contextof"mindcontrol"asaconcept.
Thisbothiswhenasinglesuggestiongoesagainstlimits("Iwillnotgetnaked
foryou,""Okay,butyouwouldinashower,alone,right?"),aswellaslittle
thingsleadingtoprogrammingofattitudesandresponsesovertime(i.e.the
conceptofmoldingsomeoneintowhatyouwant,regardlessofifthat'swhat
theywantedinitially).
MotwawMotwaw:about1monthago
Didyouwatchthevideo?I'mthinkingmurderisagainstthemoralcodeof
thesubject.Thetrickisthatatthemomenttohimitwasn'tmurder.Buthe
stillpulledthetriggerbelievinghehadaloadedgun.
BarbaraBarbara:about1monthago
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@op
didheknowitwasntloaded?
ordidheknowhewashypnotisedandknewhewouldntbegivenaloaded
gun
asfarasmurderweallwillkill,armiesarebasedonthis
Ialwayssayitslikebeingveryverydrunk
BigDaddyBigDaddy:about1monthago
WhatIuse,is"Youcan'tbemadetodoanythingthat,onSOMElevel,you
wanttodo"hypnosis,afterall,isusedtohelppeoplequitsmokingwhenthey
can'tontheirown(butwantto),recoverfromafearofflying(whenthey
wanttofly,fearlessly),makethembecomefuckslutsatparties(whenthey
wantto,butthey'retooshy).Thegistis,theymayNOTbeableorwillingto
dowhatwe'resuggestingtothem,butwe;'reloweringinhibitionsand
helpingthemgetpasttheirmentalblockstoallowthemtodowhatitisthey
WANTtodo.
Thatbeingsaid,canyou,overtimeusesuggestionstograduallychange
someonesmoralcompass,graduallyerodetheirmoralcode?Yes,I'mpretty
sureyoucouldespeciallywithchemicalassistance,andsleepdeprivationand
maybeormaybenotalotofotherthings,butwe'renolongerdiscussing
simplehypnosisatthispoint,butoutandoutbrainwashing.
Let'strytokeepitreal,andnotopenthefloodgatesofmistrustwithinthe
communityatlarge.Anyonewho'sintohypnosisshouldbe100%awarethat
perceptioniseverything.Youdon'tTRYtohypnotizesomeone,youhypnotize
them,ifyouleaveroomforfailure,youwillfail.Ifyoudon'tseemtobelieve
yourself,howisahypnoteegoingtobelieveinyou?
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Thatshouldhaveread:"Youcan'tbemadetodoanythingthatyoudon't,on
SOMElevel,youwanttodo"
<<Firstoff,whothefucktellsasubject"Theycan'tbemadetodosomething
theywouldn'tnormallydo"?>>
Ummm....someonewhointendstohaveasubjectdosomethingthey
wouldn'tnormallydo?
WrathWrath:about1monthago
Look,theboywhowashypnotizedbyDerrenBrownknewhewas
participatinginaDerrenBrownshow.Sohewentalongwithallofit.Derren
Brownwouldn'tmakehimmurderanyone.Hejustmakesagreatshow.
Mostsubjectsdon'tknowhowtheycanspeakupandtellthehypnotistto
stop,andmosthypnotistsdon'ttellthemthattheycan.Yes,mosthypnosis
fetishistsarehereforthemindcontrolandconsensualnonconsentfantasies.
Thatreallydoesn'thelpwithpromotingRACKinourkink.Butinformed
subjectscanerasetriggers,wakeupandsafeword,always.
Butpeoplewhodon'tknowhowhypnosisworks,theydon'tknowhow.Ifthe
hypnotistthensomehowaddsintheideathatresistenceisfutile,or
addictionsuggestionsorcompulsion,heh,recipeforasubjectindistressat
somepoint.
Ahypnotistscan'tmakeyoudothingsyouwouldn'tnormallydo.Buta
persuasivehypnotistcanchangeyourmindandteachyounewthings.
WinterRoseWinterRose:about1monthago
itsthesecondlargestmythsincetheideaofchristianity...
honestlypeopleneedtowakeup...
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leissalleissal:about1monthago
Ifpeoplerecognisethathypnosisissomethingthat(scusethesuperhero
movieesquesaying)canbeusedforevil,theeasieritisasacommunityto
recognisethecockwombleswhotryanddobadthingswithit.Hypnosiscan
beusedtoheailymanipulateapersonintodoingthingstheydon'twantto
do.Brushingthisunderthecarpetdoesnothing.
WinterRoseWinterRose:about1monthago
IagreethoughitdoesnthelpRACK,Themyththat"Ahypnotistscan'tmake
youdothingsyouwouldn'tnormallydo"oksoletslookatacasestudy,Ihad
aclientonceawhilebacknow,whowantedtobeadragon,firescaleswings
tallonsthewholenineyardsandforafewhourseachweekshewouldbein
hermindatleastadragon,sometimespinksometimesgreensometimes
black,nowunlesstherehasbeenaseriousearthshiftlately,Idontthinkthat
issomethingshewouldnormallyhavedone.LikewiseIhadayoungladywho
wishedtobeastreetwhore..oncommandforherhubby,againnot
somethingthe"horsey"setusuallygofor,wellnotalwasyanyway.Mypoint
hereisthatwithhypnosisifusedcorrectlythereisverylittleyoucant
acheive,ifyoutakeaskimaroundtheworldsofhypnoscriptedvioce
recordings,you`llnoticethereisanawefullotofclockworkdolls,andrubber
sissyboys,cuckoldbrainwashingscriptsfloodingthemarketthesedays,so
yeagAhypnotistscan'tmakeyoudothingsyouwouldn'tnormallydo,except
whentheycan..anddo..AlsoitswisetonotethatDerrenBrownascopying
theearlierexperimentofJesseVenturawhichalsotookastreetguyand
turnedthemintoastonekillerwithnotraceofthememory..justsaying
peeps..
SittingBullSittingBull:about1monthago
Consideringthatthepersoninthevideowasawillingsubjectandthathe
knewverywellDBwasanentertainerandtheywereonapublicTVshowI'd
saythatitcan'tbecomparedtoanactualattemptatmurder.Evenifwe
ignoretheunnecessaryrisksofinvolvingathirdpartylikethatinamurder
plot,butjustponderonpossibilitiesandimplicationshere.Ireallydoubt
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someonewouldthinkthatthepublicTVwouldactuallyarrangearealmurder
andthereforecannotjudgefromthatifsomesafety/controlmechanism
wouldkickineventhereifitwasrealornot.
InanycaseonthesubjectIwouldsayitisnotthateasytomakedirectopen
suggestionsgoingagainstsomeone'sdeeplyrootedvalues,butonecanbe
manipulated.Onecanbemanipulatedhoweverbymanymeansofsocial
interactionandyoudonotneedformalhypnosistoachievethat.Howmany
religiousleadersmanipulatedpeopleindoingselfharmingacts.Yousimply
havetomakeanactyouwantthemtodolooklikeitwasintheirbest
interest.Ifthathasanythingtodowithhypnosisitselfdependsonhowwe
defineit,asalways,thatisifmanipulative"wakinghypnosis/indirect
suggestion/nlp/whatever"fitintoourdefinitionofhypnosisornot.Though
ultimatelypeerpressureandenvironmental/informationcontrolisprobably
moreeffectivethan1:1hypnosisinsessions(thatisoutsideaspecificsetting
whentherewouldbeastrongexistentialdependencyonthehypnotistor
somethinglikethat)andeventhattemporaryunlessinaformative
(childhood)period.
MrDangerMrDanger:about1monthago
Watchingthevideowillanswersomeoftheseunnecessaryquestions.
Ihopethesubject/victimwasaffordedtherapy(ifdesired).Knowinghekilled
someone(oratleastshot)couldbetraumatizing.......knowinghecouldbe
'madeto'isevenscarier.
Hypnomastermind1Hypnomastermind1:about1monthago
SittingBullgetsitexactlyright.Theeasiestwaytomakesomeonedo
somethingthatisagainsttheirmoralsorethicsistotellthemitisa
psychologyexperiment(Orne,1963).Puttingthemontelevisionwithawell
knownmanipulatorisprobablyevenbetter.That"experiment"wasnothing
butwellcraftedshowmanshipandhasabsolutelynovalidity.
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@MrDanger:AsIrecall,theshooterwasofferedtherapy,butdeclined.
DarrenBrownisanhonestconmanerentertainer.Oncetheshooterknew
thevictimwasokay,hebasicallyrealizedhehadbeenpunkedandgotoverit.
Istronglysuspectheknew,atleastsubconsciously,thatitwasallasetup.
SpellCasterSpellCaster:about1monthago
Youdon'tneedhypnosistomakesomeonedowhattheydon'tnormallydo,
butithelps.
BacktotheOP
Idon'tfeeldishonestbecauseIdon'ttellpeoplethat.
SpellCasterSpellCaster:about1monthago
P.S.SeetheHypnoHeistthread...
WrathWrath:about1monthago
+1forSittingBull.
Ireallythinkweshouldoffertoteachoursubshowitworks,justlikerope
bunnieslearnsomethingaboutanatomy,insteadofjusttellingthemnotto
worrywithmythsandplatitudes.
@Hypnomastermind1:
<<Theeasiestwaytomakesomeonedosomethingthatisagainsttheir
moralsorethicsistotellthemitisapsychologyexperiment(Orne,1963).>>
It'sassimpleasthat?Whatistheunderlyingprincipleofhowthisworks?
daniToydaniToy:about1monthago
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Ithinkthemostaccuratedescriptionwouldbe"beingintrancedoesn't
particularlymakeiteasierformetomanipulateyouintodoingthingsthat
youwouldn'tdootherwise".
Theveryideathathumanshaveasingle"will"iskindofflawed.Wehavelots
ofdifferenthopesandwantsandsubconsciouscalculationsthatweactupon.
Peoplecanmanipulateothersintodoingthingstheywouldn'tdowithout
outsideintervention.Somepeoplearemoregiftedatthissortofthingthan
others.
Someofitisclearlyunethical,andsomeofitcountsasaGoodDeedwith
capitalletters(like,forexample,convincingadrugaddicttoseekhelp,or
convincingasuicidalpersonnottojumpfromthebridge.)
Hypnosisrequiressomeleveloftrusttobeginwith.Itimprovesrapport.It
canmakemanipulatingotherseasier,butit'snotamagicalrootkitforhuman
brains.
@Hypnaughtytist:Theunderlyingprincipleisthatpsychologyexperiments
areinherentlysafe.Noreputablepsychologistwouldevermakeasubjectdo
somethingthatwouldcauselastingharm.Whilethisisafallacybecause
psychologistsdomakemistakes,(seeZimbardoprisonexperiments,c.1972)
itissufficienttoallowpeopletolettheirguarddown.Basically,ifthesubject
isaskedtodosomethingimmoralorunethical,thesubjectassumesthere
mustbeatricksomewhere.Thisisassumptionincreasestopreposterous
levelson"reality"televisionsuchasDarrenBrown'sshow.
theMIlgramexperiment
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOYLCy5PVgM
teamfluffy:about1monthago
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Canyouhypnotizesomeonetodosomethingagainsttheirwill?
Asabehavioralmodificationexperimentwithawillingsubject,wewere
successfullyabletogethertoregularlydo...andenjoy...anactionthatshe
hadspecificallylistedinherlistofdislikesforamonth.We,hypnotically,
sealedupallmemoryofourentireconversationofthetopicwithpromiseto
endattheendofthemonth.Hersubconsciousagreedtokeepitsealed.
Duringthattime,shebelievedtheactiontobecompletelyandabsolutelyher
ownideaandderivedgreatpleasurefromit.WhenImentionedthatshehad
oncestatedshedidn'tlikethisactionshesaidshejustdecidedtotryitand
discoveredthatitwasn'tasbadasshethought.
Attheendofthemonthweretrievedthememory,openeditandletitall
comebacktoher...includingherAGREEINGtotheexperiment.
Shewasamazedthatshewasabletokeepsuchasecretfromherselfand
fascinatedthattheexperimentworked(aswasI).Ibuiltinsome'rewards'for
hersuccessfullycompletingtheactionasegoboostsandshoringup.
(IalsoadmitthatIfoundIwasuncomfortablewiththisbutwebothwere
fascinatedwiththebehaviormodtopicandagreedtogiveitatry.Itfeltvery
muchlikeanabuseofpower.)
Nowthiswasalimitedexperimentandnowherenearasextremeasshooting
someonebutitwasdefinitelysomethingshehadspecificallystatedshe
would'never'do.Andshedidit.
hypnosisenthusiasthypnosisenthusiast:about1monthago
TheDerrenBrownexperimentwasflawed,asnoted.Oneofthebigproblems
withcreatinganexperimentlikethatiswhetheritwouldworkwithan
unhypnotizedpersonand,intheBrownexperiment,itmostlikelywouldhave
worked.Thenthereistheotherflaw,aspointedoutbyseveralpeople,that
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showsthevolunteerwasawarethathewasparticipatinginaDerrenBrown
showandthereforehadtheexpectationthathewouldbekeptsafefrom
harm.
Bothoftheseproblems,whatarecalledconfoundingvariablesinbehavioral
researchandexperimentation,completelyruinthecredibilityofthetestsin
whichtheyarepresentandcouldhavebeenadamagingprobleminthe
Millgramexperimentaswell,andforthesamereasons.Subsequenttesting
oftheMillgramHypothesisonabusivebehaviorasaresultofcomplianceto
authorityseemstoshow,however,thatthismaynothavebeenthecase.
AsAmHypnoticsosuccinctlyputit,"anyonecanbefasttalkedintoanything"
orjustaboutanythingIFthepersondoingthefasttalkinghastheskillto
manipulatethevictimeffectively,bothintellectuallyandemotionally.
Therefore,knowyourhypnotist,negotiateyoursessionsandbesureto
recordthemifyouhaveeventheslightestinklingthatthehypnotistmay
haveanagendathat'soutofboundsforyou.
NooneissuggestingtheDerrenBrownvideoisscientificallyrigorousproof.
Butthepositiveassertionintheopisoftquotedbutunscientificaswell.In
factitisoneofthosefantasticclaimsthatrequiresfantasticproof.Infactit's
sooftenstatedasanaturallawandpronetolotsofnotrueScotsman
argumentfallaciesastobeimmoralintheextremetouseitatall.(Orany
variant)
@hypnosisenthusiast
Didyouactuallywatchthevideo?Iaskbecauseyourcommentsdon'treflect
that.
Thesubjectdidnotknowthetruenatureoftheexperiment.Further,with
amnesiainducedhewasunawareofhisactions.
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similarly,fasttalkingdoesnotreallyapplyasnoamountoffasttalkingcould
bothgetsomeonetodosomethingagainsttheirnatureANDhaveno
memoryofit.
IJS
BlaydwingBlaydwing:about1monthago
Itellsubjectsthattheycan'tbemadetodoanythingtheyconsiderimmoral
orwouldn'tdoiftheyweredrunk.
Whichisfalse.I'vehadasubjectwhowouldneverstripinpublicevendrunk
butwastotallywillingtowalkinpublicfullynudebecausetheyforgotthey
wereunclothed.Whiletruethatinmyexperiencedirectcommandstoviolate
personaltabooswillberejectedorrefused,onceasetofcircumstancesis
establishedthatwouldcauseanactiontobeacceptable,thesubjectwill
usuallycomply.Giventhatmostindividualswillacceptuseofafirearmina
shootingrangeorusedeadlyforcetoprotectalovedoneIreallydon'tsee
howthatclaimcanbemaintainedresponsibly.EspeciallysincetheSCwillus
usuallyacceptanycircumstanceframing(ourmindsusuallyaccepttheworld
presentedtous)
leissalleissal:about1monthago
I'dalsoliketosaythatifit'sasubjectyou'vehypnotisedforYEARS,suchasa
longtermpartner,youcanharnesswaymorecontroloverthemifyou've
builtarapportwiththeirsubconscious,andcanmanipulatetheminaway
duetotheheavytrusttheirentiremindhasgivenyou,comparedtoatotally
newsubjectyou'vemetafewtimes.
GuiltyGuilty:about1monthago
"Can'tmakeyoudoanythingyouwouldn'tdonormally"isasomewhat
falsestatement.Revisingitto"Can'tmakeyoudoanythingthatisstrongly
againstyourmoralcode"wouldmakeitaccurate.
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Exactly.Otherwise,whywouldyoubeahypnotherapistanyway.Oneofthe
interestingthingsisthatIcanhelppeopledothingstheynormallywouldn't
do,butwouldliketo.
Thesubjectdidnotknowthetruenatureoftheexperiment.Further,with
amnesiainducedhewasunawareofhisactions.
Consciouslyunaware.
Can'tmakeyoudoanythingthatisstronglyagainstyourmoralcode"would
makeitaccurate.
Thepointoftheexperiment...andSirhan'sSirhan'stestament....isthatmoral
codedoesn'thaveanythingtodowithit.It'smoreamatterfindingsomeone
inthat1%levelofsuggestibilityandhavingahypnotistwiththeintentto
committheaction.
Nowbeforepeoplegorunningtothehills,wehavepeoplehereonFetwho
getmanipulatedallthetimewithoutthebenefitofhypnosisatall.Wehave
subsgivinguppasswordsandbankinformationtoDoms...and
Dommes...thatthey'vejustmetbasedpurelyonforceofwillandtheirdesire
tobelongtosomeone.Similarly,outsideofkinkwehavepeopledoingsimilar
thingsincludingbeabused,stayingwithaddicts,andjustbeinghustledand
manipulated.Hypnosisisnot'evil'.Noriseveryonegoingtobeabletoreach
thatleveloftrance.
Mostcommonly,whenI'vehitawallofsomekind(deliberatelyor
accidentally)oneofthreethingswillhappen(whengivenasuggestionthat
goesagainstmoralcodeordesire):
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1.NOTHINGtheywillsitthereandnotrespond
2.Emergencetheycomeoutoftrance
3.Refusaltheytellme'No'orinsomeotherwayexplainwhytheycan'tdo
therequest.
Andnowsomeonewillsay'ohwhydidyoudeliberatelysaysomethingtheir
subconsciouswouldrebelagainst??'Usuallyit'sbytheirrequestandthatis
whytheyarethere.Everythingisn'tnefarious.Iftheycometometostop
smoking...butreallydon'tonaROOTlevelwantto....orfeeltheyarebeing
'made'toquitbecausetheyaren'tonboardonabasiclevel....oneofthose3
thingscouldhappen.
Forexample,theycometometostopsmokingnotbecausetheywanttobut
becausetheirwife/husbandtoldthemtostop.
<<onceasetofcircumstancesisestablishedthatwouldcauseanactiontobe
acceptable,thesubjectwillusuallycomply.>>
Ionceaskeda(woman)friend,duringaconversation,iftherewassomething
thatsheknows,withoutadoubt,somethingshewouldneverdo.Shereplied,
"I'dneverhityou".Iaskedifshewasabsolutelycertainaboutthat.She
confirmedheranswer,inamostconfidentway.IaskedifItookherbabyto
theswimmingpoolandheldhisheadunderthewater,whatshewoulddo.
Shereplied,"I'dbeatyoutillyoulethimgo".
Thiswas,withouthypnosis.Ashypnotists,wedon'tresortto"makingthem
anoffertheycan'trefuse",butthestrategyisthesame.
Inmystory,whatchanged?Theanswertothatexplainstheunderlying
structureofwhythestatementisfalse...andtrue.
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"Thestatement",meaningthetitleofthisthread.
@Hypnaughtytist,Ididnotwatchtheentirevideo,however,hypnotic
amnesiaisnotnecessarilyinfallible.Apersoncanexperiencewhatappearsto
beamnesia,butwhichisreallyaformofaphasia,aninabilitytospeakabout
something.Thishappensalotinhypnosis.Also,DerrenBrownisavery
famouspersonandtheindividualDIDknowwhohewas,therefore,the
expectationissuestillstands.
Astofasttalkingnotcausingamnesia,Isuggestyoudoabitofresearchon
thevictimsofsuchcrimesthereisveryoftenanoverloadingofthe
individual'sconsciousnessandtheycannotfullyrememberORreconstruct
whatwassaid.Ifthat'snotamnesia,it'scloseenoughfortheDSVV...;)
Watchthevideo.Thecircumstancesofthefinaltestwerespecificallysetso
theindividualwasunawareofderrensinvolvementatthetime.
@Hypnoethnusiast:
<<@Hypnaughtytist,Ididnotwatchtheentirevideo,>>
WhatmakesyouthinkI'mconcernedifyoudid,ornot?
MarquisDeHypnoMarquisDeHypno:about1monthago
Ahypnotistwhotellssomeone,"Ican'tmakeyoudoanythingyouwouldn't
normallydo"isusinglanguagethathastocallintoquestiontheirskillto
beginwith.
WhatIchoosetosayis,"Whileinastateoftrance,youwillonlyacceptthose
suggestionsyouwanttoaccept.I'mahypnotist,notathirdworlddictator.
Myroleistosimplyhelppeopleexperiencewhattheywanttoexperience.
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MakingpeopledowhatIwantthemtodoisaresponsibilityIneitherhave
norwant."
""Can'tmakeyoudoanythingyouwouldn'tdonormally"isasomewhatfalse
statement.Revisingitto"Can'tmakeyoudoanythingthatisstronglyagainst
yourmoralcode"wouldmakeitaccurate.
Exactly.Otherwise,whywouldyoubeahypnotherapistanyway.Oneofthe
interestingthingsisthatIcanhelppeopledothingstheynormallywouldn't
do,butwouldliketo."
Noteverybodyhereisahypnotherapist.thatbeingsaid,someofusDO
jealouslyguardourethics(ImaynotalwaysbeMORAL,butIAMalways
ethicalLOL)
@HypnaughtytistYoucommentedontheideaofwhetherornotIwatched
thevideoinapriorpost.Iwasmerelyclarifyingthesituation.Myapologiesif
thatoffendedyou,thatwasnotmyintention.
@Hypnosisenthusiast:
<<@HypnaughtytistYoucommentedontheideaofwhetherornotIwatched
thevideoinapriorpost.>>
Iseewhathappened,youwererespondingtoMrDanger'remarksand
thoughtImadethem.
Thecircumstancesofthefinaltestwerespecificallysetsotheindividual
wasunawareofderrensinvolvementatthetime.
Consciouslyunaware.Ohwait,Isaidthatalready.
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BecarefulwithDerrenBrown.Hedoesn'tshoweverythingthat'sbeingdone
andheusessleightofhand,stagemagic,carefulparticipantselectionand
psychologicaltricksaseasilyashypnosisandNLP,andpreferstoputyouon
thewrongtrackaboutwhichisusedforwhich.Ifyouaresureitwaspriming,
itprobablywasn't.IfyouthinkitwasNLP,thinkagain.Neverassumeyousaw
thewholehypnosissessionbecauseyousawwhatyouthinkwasgoingon.
He'sdoneoneortwoshowswhereheactuallyshowedwhatwascutout.
WhenwatchingDerrenfromalearningperspectiveyoushouldalwayskeepa
fewquestionscontinouslyinyourmindandthat'sforstarters"whatamInot
seeinghere?"and"whereisheleadingme?".
Otherwise,theyarefabulousshow.YoumaywanttowatchtheFaithepisode
fromfear&faithaswell,whereusessimpleslidinganchorstoconvertan
atheistandexplainsthewholeanchoringsequence.Orpretendsto:).Or
watchTheGuiltTripwhereinanunknowingparticipantsconfessesamurder
tothepolice.It'sallgreatTV.
OrperhapsIshouldputitdifferently.WithDerrenyouareasmuchthe
subjectasthepeopleintheshow:)
BASICBASIC:about1monthago
Becausenobodymentionedityet,I'llleavethisthougthhere:neuronsdon't
havemoralsorethics,noristherea"corecommity"ofthem,sittingand
decidingwhattoacceptandwhatnot.
Inhypnoticstatesit'sverymuchaboutfocuseitherdepletingitwith
distractions,whilesomethingelseslipsthroughorjustharnessingitallvery
narrowly.Focusinawaymeansworkingwithlimitedsubsetofbrain.Itcould
beargued,thatthissubsetcanbeeventuallybesoprecise,thatgivensubset
ofneuronsyouarefocusingonisnotenoughanymoretoincorporateall
thesemoralorwhateverbasevalues.
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Gettingtherewithonesessiononlyworksforselect"lucky"ones,butfor
manyothersthedifferenceisjustinamountoftimeandnumberofsessions.
Allyourmorals,ethics,core,"spirit",whateversoundsnicertoyou,isa
bunchofneurons.Somearehardertoaccess,somearewiredharder,some
havetobeaddressedaswholesubsystems,allthewonderfulintricate
differencesbetweenindividuals..BUTwithpatienceandtime..mostofwhat
is"you"canbeinfluenced,retrainedbitbybit.Samewayitwastrainedand
taughttobeyouoveralltheseyears.Mostsignificantquestioniswhy
wouldanybodybother?!Sinceit'sdefnitelynoteasy,norquickundertaking
Allthesecosyhalftruthsandwhiteliesinourlivesaretheretomakeus
comfortableinvariouscompletelyinsanesituations.Hypnosisissomething
completelyinsanecomparedtoeverythingweare"encouraged"tobelieve
normally.Ifhumanswouldbeaproduct,itwouldbehugeenoughsecurity
defecttorecallthewholespecies.It'soneofthesegames,whereonlywayto
winisnottoplay.Restofthetimeyoucanonlywin,whenyourhypnotistlets
youwin.Eitheroutofkindessorlackofskill.
Findingajollybunchofnicehypnotistsonthenetshouldnotmakeyou
believeinanyway,thatyourhobbyissafe,youhaveyour"safetiesinstalled"
andeverythingisdandyfromthenon.It'salljustconditional.
@BASIC:
<<Becausenobodymentionedityet,I'llleavethisthoughthere:neurons
don'thavemoralsorethics,noristherea"corecommity"ofthem,sitting
anddecidingwhattoacceptandwhatnot.>>
Igaveanexampleofjustwhatyou'reimplying.Ididn'tthinkIhadtospellit
outthatbeyondtheprimarylevel,everythingisa....belief.
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WhatI'mattemptingtogetacrossisthatmosteveryoneisdebatingcontent,
whenI'msayingtheapproachtogettingsomeonetodosomethingthey
wouldn'tordinarilydo,liesinchangingthecontext.
byMotwawabout1monthago
Thishasbeenastapleplatitudeofourcommunity.I'mnotsureIbelieveit.
http://youtu.be/oC9J6O6soHA
Now,acoupleofcaveatshere.Theindividualselectedwashandpickedforhis
suggestibility,andDerrenBrownisamaster,butwetelloursubjectsthey
can'tbemadetodosomethingtheywouldn'tnormallydo.Anyoneelsefeel
dishonestaboutthatfact?
Previous12Next
Responses(5153of53)
1.Asastagehypnotist,itismyjobtomakepeopledothingstheywouldnot
ordinarilydo.However,makingthemdothingsagainsttheirethicsormorals
isanotherthingentirely.
2.Re:DarrenBrown.ThesubjectknewitwasarealityTVshowinvolving
hypnosis.Itishardnottonoticethevideocamerasaround.Healsohadto
signarelease(notshown,butanabsolutemust).Sortofadeadgiveaway.
Thatisenoughtoinvalidateanyexperiment.HavingDarrenBrowninvolvedis
secondary.Also,amnesiaisonlyfortheconsciousmind.Thesubconscious
remembersand,atleastinthiscase,washappytogoalongwithitbecauseit
knowsthetruthand,therefore,hadconcludedthisissomesortofsetup
(that,orthepersonisstupid).
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3.Doneuronshaveethics?Isuspecttheydo.Notoneindividualneuron,of
course,butwhenmillionsarecombinedintothemindorbrain,ethicsevolve.
WhileIhavenoevidencetosupportthisotherthanmyownobservations,I
suspectdeepethicsarehardtobreak.
4.DoIthinkitispossibletousehypnosistomakesomeonelegitimatelydo
somethingagainsttheirethicalandmoralcode?Yes,butonlyincertain
circumstanceswithcertainpeople.Formostofthepopulation,theanswer
wouldbeno.
ShinVonNibelungShinVonNibelung:about1monthago
IagreewithHypnomastermind1andotherswhoraisedasimilarpoint.
AlthoughIloveDerrenBrown(heck,heisoneoftherarecelebsIwould
spreadmylegsforinaheartbeat),hedidn'tshowanythingIdidn'tknow
already.Thesubjectalwaysknewatleastonasubconsciouslevelthatwhat
hewasdoingwassafeandhewouldn'treallykillsomebody.Itwouldbe
interestingtoseethatexperimentwitharealarmedweaponandsomebody
reallyshootinganotherpersonbutthatwouldbeunethical.Sountilsome
derangedindividualdoesn'ttrythatoutanddocumentitforthepublic,we
won'tknow.
It'sliketheMilgramexperiment.Peopleparticipatinginthatexperiment
knewatleastonasubconsciouslevelthatthescientistwouldn'tletthem
reallykillsomebody.
Inmostcasestryingtobruteforcesuggestionsagainstsomebody'sbasic
moralcodeswon'twork.Beenthere,donethat.Notworking.
Givenenoughtime,acapablehypnotistcanfindaworkaround.Idoubtyou
coulddoittomostpeopleinjustonesessionandwithoutknowinganything
aboutthem.
teamfluffy:29daysago
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shrug
Icanchangesomeone'smoralcode.
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InductionTools(Music,Atmosphere,Aroma)
bymrjohnmuller2monthsago
Hello!Newishtogroupandsite,oldishtohypnosis.Ihavequestions
regardingpeoplesinductionmethods,specificallysurroundingtheir
backgroundinductiontools.
Besidesthewordsbeingspoken,orthetrustfeltbetweenthesubjectand
theoperator,I'venoticedthatbackgrounddevicessuchasmusic,lights,
scents,etc,canbesomeofthestrongestcontributionstoasuccessful
induction.I'vebeenexperimentingwithafewdifferentinstruments,low
dronesfromadoublebasscello,simpleukulelechords,meditationbells,and
such,withabitofsuccess,andIhavehadgreatsuccessusingglowingcoals,
candles,orfirelighttodrawthegazeandrelaxthemindpreinduction.Scent
wise,I'veonlytriedusingacoupleofdifferenttypesofincenseoressential
oil,andhaven'treallynoticedmuchdifferenceinsuccessrate.
Myquestiontoallofyoulovelypeopleisthis:whatatmosphericbackground
toolshaveyoufoundleadtothegreatestsuccessrateforinduction,both
amongstinnatelytrustingsubjects(lovers/partners)andmoresceptical
subjects(clientsorfriends)?Howhaveyouincorporatedthesetoolsintoyour
routines?
Thankyouinadvanceforyouranswers.Iappreciateanyinsightsyoumight
offer.
Sincerely,
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Mr.JohnMuller
Responses(10of10)
Reallyreally,whenitcomestootherpeople,Idon'tatall.Whetherit'sata
noisypartyorquietbed,anynoisejustgetsturnedintoathermometerfor
theirrelaxation.
Personally,Ireallylikeoceannoise,butIwouldn'tpushthatasageneral,
eventhoughoceanwalkthroughsareverycommonandeffective.
IalsohatemostartificialsmellssoIwouldn'twanttousetheminmyplay
personally,orpresumeanotherpersonwouldunlessIwasforminga
particularscentassociation.Asabackgrounditmostlikelywouldbe
annoying.
CandlesandflamesaredefinitelycommoneffectivefocalexperiencesbutI
don'tgotoanypainsmostlytohavethem.
LikeLAI'duseitonlywithpeoplewhosetasteIalreadyknow.Likeanyother
toolinhypoitselfthereisnothingworkingthesameforeverybody,but
unlikevisualizations,inductionsetcyoucannotchangeantailoritonthefly
soneedtoknowwhatsomeonelikesinadvance.
SoifusingmusicetcIaskhowitisorwhatwouldtheylike,whathelpsthem
intheprocess(indirectsuggestion,btw)butnotjustturnonsomethingI
imagineshouldbeliked(usuallybecauseIlikeitmyselfandsupposeothers
wouldtoo).
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Mightuseitasatooltoincreasesuggestibilityifyoucansyncsomespecific
outsidestimulationtosuggestionandmakeit'seffectstrongerwithoutyour
subjectbeingawareitcomesfromtheoutside,butthatwouldbealotof
workandmightbechallengingtoalwaysmatchwiththesubject's
expectationsattherighttime.
BlackShadowBlackShadow:about1monthago
Anelementofritualcanhelpestablishthatsomethingoutofthemundaneis
goingtotakeplace,soanythingthatevokestheideaofothernesshelpsif
you'regoingforaquasimysticalexperience.Italsomeansfuturesessions
thatstartwiththesameritualsgetaheadstart.
Ontheotherhand,somepeoplerespondbettertotheideaofanatural,
familiarexperience,inwhichcaseyouwanttorootthingsintheirroutine
experiencesratherthanstartingoutwithmagic.Italsomakesspontaneous
playeasierbecausethey'realreadyinthestatethey'reusedtodroppinginto
tranceforyoufrom.
Soitdependsonbothofyou,andwhatyourcollectivegoalsarewhether
havingritualelements,oranyspecificritual,ishelpfulornot.
Expectationisarealbig"forcemultiplier"forinductionsaswell.Iwasata
conventionrecentlyandboughtanewpocketwatch.Justafterbuyingit,I
waswalkingthroughthelobbyofthehotelandranintosomeoldfriendsand
someoneIhadonlymetearlierthatdaybutwhohadexpressedaguarded
interestinhypnosis(theoldapproachavoidanceconflictthatmanynew
subjectswillexhibitfearfulononehandandattractedtohypnosisonthe
other).
ImentionedthatIhadjustboughtthewatchandoneofmyoldfriendsasked
toseeit.Ibroughtitoutandshowedittoher.Sheaskedhowwellitwould
workinmyshowsasahypnotist.Myreplywasthatithadtherightswingto
itandletitdanglefromthechain.Unbeknownsttome,thenew
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acquaintancewaswatchingit,raptly,behindme.Amomentlater,Iturnedto
lookatherandshewascompletelymotionless,eyesglassy,barelybreathing.
Shewasalreadyintrance.Irelaxedherandbroughtherbackupoutof
tranceandapologized,sayingthatsuchareactionusuallymeansthat
someonereallywantedtoexperiencetrance.Shesmiledandsaiditwasa
wonderfulfeelingandthatnoapologieswerenecessary.
Shewentunderbecause,inherownmind,wheneverahypnotistswingsa
pocketwatchlikethat,thepersonwatchingitwillgointohypnosis.Shenow
hassomeprotectionstokeepthatfromhappeningagainunlessshe
consciouslyagreestoit.
SkorpyunSkorpyun:about1monthago
ReallygoodinputalreadysoI'lljustaddananecdote.
Iwasworkingwithayoungladywhowantedtodealwithsomeanxiety
issuesshewashaving.Ialwayshavethesubjectturntheircellphonesoffbut
sheactuallyjustmimickedturningitoffbutleftitonlyingontopofher
purse.Turnsoutshehadamajorlycontrollingborefiend..ermImean
boyfriendwhowasobsessiveaboutherwhereabouts.(Anyhunchwhat
turnedouttobethebiggestsourceofheranxiety?)Rightinthemiddleofthe
inductionnotonlydidherphonebegintoring,butshehadalsosetthelight
toflashaswell.ShewasREALLYworriedaboutmissingacheckincallfrom
theape.So,IdidexactlywhatIwastrainedtodo,Iwentrightintoutilization.
"Thelouderthesoundsaroundyouthatyouhear,thebrightertheflashes
yousensethroughyoureyelidsthedeeperyougointotrance."Dickheadlet
thecallgotovoice,thenimmediatelycalledback.Twomoretimes.Good
thinghereyeswereclosedbecauseIwasdoingallkindsofgoofycontortions
tryingtoreachoverhertothepursewithoutdumpingitandherontothe
floor,andIneverdidreachit.Bythetimehegaveup,shewaspuddleinthe
chair.
Pointis,youcanmakeanythinganaidtoinductionifyou'reconvincedin
yourability.ThatbeingsaidIalwaysaskafterwardsabouttheexperienceand
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ifasubjectdoesn'tlikeanyenvironmentalfactornexttimeit'soutofthere.
I'mtolazytoworkagainstobstaclesthatcanbeeasilyremoved.
@SkorpiunUtilizationofenvironmentalfactorsiswhatoftenseparatesthe
professionalsfromthebeginnersbyusingeverythingandanythinginthe
subject'sperceptualspectrum,fromtemperaturetosoundstotouchto
scents(Ionceactuallywasabletotrancesomeoneusingthescentofaskunk
thatwaswaftinginthroughawindow),onecanimproveandintensifya
trancesessionforasubject.
Welldone!
RenegadePadmaRenegadePadma:about1monthago
Itiscorrectthatfascinationisnecessaryforinducingtrance,andgenerally,
hypnotistsusesfascinationwithrelaxationasanentrypointoftrance,but
otheremotionalexperiencesworkevenbetter,forexampleeroticfeelings,
sexandloveetc.Itisofcoursealsonecessarytohaverapport.SoIwouldsay
creatingabackgroundoftrustanderoticfeelings.SometimesIputonsome
relaxing,simplemusic.Ivarytheamountoferoticcontentaccordingtothe
intimacyoftherelationship,butobviouslynotwithmen,asIam
heterosexual.
phantasm48phantasm48:about1monthago
I'mabigfanofutilizingmylight/soundmachine,andNeuroBASIC3
software.
mrjohnmullermrjohnmuller:15daysago
Thankyoueveryoneforyourinsightsandsuggestions!Moreandmoreinmy
sessionsI'vebeenfindingthevalueinkeepingthingssimpleandworkingwith
whateverstimulihappentobeinthespace,ratherthanobsessingtoomuch
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aboutcreatingtheperfectsetting.Nothingcanreallycomparetothe
relationshipbetweensubjectandoperator,itseems,andaslongasthattrust
ispresentvirtuallyanyobstacleordistractioncanbeovercomeor
incorporatedwiththepropersuggestions.
Thanksagain!
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S:I'mcompletelyobedientH:Tellmehowyouknow
byTwinned15daysago
Soyou'veusedaninductionofthe"deeperyougo,themoreobedientyou
are"sort.Subhasaffirmedbeing"completely"obedient.Howdoyoutest
that?
Youcouldsimplyask"Tellmehowyouknowyouarecompletelyobedient."
Asubwhokinksonobediencemightgiveyouainterestinganswer,butyou
don'treallyneeditinthatcase.
OTOHifyouareworkingon_building_obedience(orwhatever)theanswer
couldbeveryuseful.Exceptthataskingrunstheriskofbreakingthespell.If
theycan'tcomeupwithatrancelogicalreasonwhytheyshouldbe
completelyobedientatthistime,thentheymightjustdecidenottobeso
obedient.
Sohowcanyougetthisinformationwithoutriskinghavingthesubquestion
thepremise?
Anothergoodquestionis"whataretheconditionsnecessaryforyoutobe
completelyobedient"butitneedstobephrasedmoreobliquelysoyoudon't
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riskanchoringthoseconditions.Youneedthemtotellyouwithoutrisking
havingtheSCthinkaboutit.
Afterall,youaregoingtowanttogetridofsomeofthoseconditions.Orat
leastreducethe$300champagnedinnerdowntopizzadelivery(and
leftoverstomorrow).
Responses(9of9)
leissalleissal:15daysago
Ifyou'reaskingsomeonetoquantifysomethingthatisn'teasyto,andisopen
forinterpretation,you'regonnarunintotrouble.It'slikegoing"Howredis
thatobjectoverthere""Erm,veryred?""Howdoyouknow?""Ijustdo??"
It'sinterpretation,andtheirinterpisgonnabedifferenttoyours.Notmuch
thatcanbereallydoneshortofcompletelyrewiringsomeonetohavethe
sameopinionsasyou,andthat'sonlyfuninshortbursts.
"Asubwhokinksonobediencemightgiveyouainterestinganswer,butyou
don'treallyneeditinthatcase."
Notsurewhyyou'dbeinterestedingettinganyoneotherthansomeonewho
kinksinobedience,tobecompletelyobedient,butwhatevs.
"Sohowcanyougetthisinformationwithoutriskinghavingthesubquestion
thepremise?"
Whydon'tyouwantsomeonetoquestionpremise?Whydon'tyouwant
someonetoquestionallthethings,unlessit'sagreedtheydon'tquestion.
Questioningisfun.Also,notwillingtosharesomethinglikepremiseisabit
shifty,imo.
I'mnotentirelysurewhyyou'rechangingsomeone'sneedsforsubmissive.I
mean,someonecan'tbesubmissiveallthetime,factorsdocomeintoplay.
It'snotjustexpensiveshitaswell.Itendtobeatmymostsubmissivewhen
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I'memotionallywell,nottired,nothungryorthirstyetc.Removingsomeof
thosefactorsneededformetobeinagoodstatetoobey,isnotgonnaend
well.Mysubmissionwillfallshort,becauseitisnotthesubmissionIam
naturalto.IknowbetterthananyonewhatIneedtodotoobey.
Maybeyoushouldquestionwhoeveryou'retrancingandaskthemwhatthey
needtobeobedient,andseeifit'scompatibleornot?Ratherthanchanging
somethinglikethis.Isitreallythesameheartfeltobedience(orwhatever,if
thisisdonewithnoemotions.YouprobsknowwhatImean)ifyou'vemade
themdoit?Forme,itwouldfeelfalse,tbh.
Goodluckthough!
BigBadBirdBigBadBird:14daysago
Experienceistheanswer.
IamMaster'sslave,andhehassomecallsigndiagnosticsheusestocheckin
onme.Butheimplementedthosesignsasareinforcementinthemselvesso
there'sadualpurpose.
Iamnotaperfectslave,andIjudgemyselfsometimestonotbeagood,
obedienceslaveatall.Hereinforcedhedoesn'texpectperfectobedience,
andthatit'sHISjudgementofmyobedienceandgoodnesswhichmatter.
Withalotofpleasuremixedin.
oneEyedstrangeroneEyedstranger:14daysago
Iwouldsaythattheideaofsomeonebeingcompletelyobedientisrather
silly.Let'sfaceit,youareessentiallyaskingforthemtoprovethatthereis
notonesinglesuggestiontheywillnotfollowoutofaninfinitenumberof
possibilities.Commonsensewoulddictatethatthereisnearlya100%chance
thattherewillbesomethingthattheywon'tdo.Butofcourse,by
comparison,youactuallyhavealimitednumberofsuggestionsyouactually
wantthemtoobey.Soinreality,Ithinkabetterquestionis,arethey
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sufficientlyobedient/suggestibleinordertocarryoutthetypesofplayyou
bothplantoengagein?
katherinecarlakatherinecarla:14daysago
Youbuildobedience(inpeoplewhoareinterestedindevelopingthattrait
andinofferingittoyou)bybuildingtrust.Bybeingthesortofpersonthat
theywanttoobey.Bydemonstratingthatyoudesireandwillaccepttheir
obedience.There'snoshortcutandit'snotlikeit'sastageyoucangettoand
thenhaveaccesstoforever.It'sdefinitelynotsomethingyoucandobehind
herback,itrequiresherfullandopencooperation.Youbuilditandmaintain
it.Together.
hypnosisenthusiasthypnosisenthusiast:14daysago
Iconcurwithkatherinecarlaandwouldaddthatonecanaddpositive
reinforcementtoincreasethesubject'sobedience.Anythingthatisareward
canwork,butpleasure,especiallyeroticpleasureinascenesituation,seems
toworkbestformeandthepeopleIworkwith.Bytheuseofrewarding
obediencewithincreased,orburstsof,pleasure,asubcanbecome
increasinglymoreconditionedtoobeymoreandmoreautomaticallyand
enjoytheexperienceonamoreinherent(conditioned)level.
dezama125dezama125:12daysago
AsEricksonsaid,"Utilizationisdeepening."Inotherwords,gettingasubject
toobeywillmakethemmoreobedient.Soyouwantthesubjecttoshowyou,
nottellyou.Suchquestionsasyouproposeaskingare,astheothershave
said,notallthatuseful,andlikelytobecounterproductive.
Also,fromasubmissive'spointofview,thepleasureofobediencemay
involvetheovercomingofresistance.Obediencethathappensdespite
resistancemaybemorefunforbothofyouthan"complete"obedience.
Rememberthathypnosisisinsomesenseanillusion.I'mnotsayingitisn'ta
realexperienceforthesubject,Aswithopticalillusions,totelltheperson
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thatwhatthey'reexperiencingisn'ttruewon'tnecessarilykeepthemfrom
experiencingit.Butwhat'stobegainedbyriskingthatitmight?
ToyBirdieToyBirdie:11daysago
Iagreethatobediencethathappensdespiteresistanceisamorepowerful
andmovingexperiencethanthingsbeingautomatic.IoftensaythatIdon't
wantsubmittingtobecomeeasy.Thatwouldbenofun.Justlikeit'snot
reallyallthatbravetodosomethingyou'renotafraidof,whatdoesitsay
aboutobedienceifyou'redoingsomethingthat'snotachallenge?
BigBadBirdBigBadBird:11daysago
whatdoesitsayaboutobedienceifyou'redoingsomethingthat'snota
challenge?
Forme,itsaysIamcomfortable,intimate,secure,relaxed,experienced,and
givinghimwhathewants.ItallowsdeeperconnectionthanifIwere
expendingenergytoovercomechallenges.
Itotallygetyouwantthechallengeinyourrelationship,andIwouldnever
saythereisnovalueinchallenge.Lifeitselfwillalwayspresentchallengeson
itsownsotakegrowththereistobehadinthat.
Butthereisvalueformanyinautomatic,graceful,easyobedienceaswell.
TwinnedTwinned:11daysago
@BigBadBird:"Forme,itsaysIamcomfortable,intimate,secure,relaxed,
experienced,andgivinghimwhathewants.Itallowsdeeperconnectionthan
ifIwereexpendingenergytoovercomechallenges."
Sohaveyoujustansweredthequestionwhat"aretheconditionsnecessary
foryoutobecompletelyobedient?";)
AndthosearethesortofthingsIwanthertoexperience.
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Howlongdotheeffectsofhypnosiswork?
bysubmissjeanover1yearago
Iwasacuriouslittlesub6to8monthsagoandwashypnotized.Hekept
takingmefurtherandfurtherunderandultimatelyhadsetsomephrasesfor
metoreacttowhenawake.Ionlysawhimtheonenightanddecidedthis
wasnotforme,buthewouldcallandtextandusethephrases...whichoddly
enoughstillhadtheintendedeffectonmybody.Ihaven'tthoughtaboutitat
alluntilmyDomsaidthephraseinnocentlyandIgotreallyagitated.Hesaid
itagainandmybodyreactedthewasthehypnosisintended.
Thereisnowaythehypnosiscouldlastforthatamountoftime,right?Itcan't
beinvokedbyonlytheonewhosetit,right?
Help.
Responses(25of25)
englishharryenglishharry
Triggerscanbesettobeactivatedsolelyby"thepersonwhosetit",orby
anyoneusingthetriggerphrase.Thelengthoftimetheylastdependson
severalthingssuchashowdeepyouwere,howskilledthehypnotist,how
theywerereinforced,howmuchyouwantthemtowork,andotherstoo.
Itappearstheyaredeeplyingrainedinyoursubconscious,soyoumayneed
somehypnotichelptoremovethem.
Ericc
Whathappenedtomakeyoudecidethathypnosiswasnotforyou?
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Ifyouwantittohappen,thenstopfightingthereactionsfloodingyourmind.
Choosetogowiththeflow,soyourHcandeepenhis"contributions"tothe
changesyouneedtomakeinyourlife.
HavingalongconversationwithyourH,ofwhatyouwanttoachieve,can
makeitsomucheasier(andmorecertain)thatyourlifecanchangequickly.
WrathWrath
Thissoundsfamiliartome.Thoughtherewerelessnegativefeelingsattached
inmycase.
Don'tbeafraidorworried.Thatisthefirststep.Yoursubconsciousisyour
friend.Itremembersthethingsthathypnotisttaughtit,thewordsandthe
correctresponse.Thatdoesn'tmeanyouarehelplesstowhoeversaysthose
wordsforever.Youarestillincontrolofyou.
YoucanpracticewithyourDomtobreakthespell,sotospeak,tohearthose
wordsandknowthatyoudon'thavetoreact,becauseyouarenotwiththat
hypnotistanymore.Oryoucanfindahypnotistwhocanhelpyouremovethe
commands.
Themostimportantthingistonotbeafraid.Youlearnedit,youcanunlearn
it.Itisentirelyfixableandnothingtoworryabout.
BigDaddyBigDaddy
Asstatedabove,itCANbeundone.However,onestoryIreadrecently
writtenbyahypnotistrelatedhismeetinghisoldcollegeroommatewhohe
usedtohypnotizeregularly20yearbefore,andhehadplacedareinduction
trigger,andjustforfun,hespokethetriggertohimandhewentbackunder
immediately,20yearslater.Wouldyoursuggestionshavethatstaying
power?Unknown,itwoulddependuponnotonlytheskillofthehypnotist
whoimplantedthem,butalsoyourownsuggestibility.Ifyouwereonlywith
himtheonce,hedidn'thaveanyopportunitiestoreinforcethesuggestion(s).
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68monthsagoisNOTthatlong.Anyreputable,ethicalhypnotistshouldbe
abletodeactivatethem/it,butultimately,youcan'tbesuggestedtodo
something(certainlynotinasinglesession)thatyoudonotonSOMElevel
wanttodo.Thatbegsthequestion,beyondbeingabitfreakedoutbyit,do
youreallyWANTtohaveitdeactivated?
Onceanideaisinyou,itcanremainactiveaslongasyoukeepitalive.
Conditioningcanstrengthenit,butthere'snoreasonanideacan'tgoin
immediatelyandforever.Andnoreasonyoucan'teliminateitwithinyourself
atanytime.
HypnoticNow
Withoutanyreinforcement,itcanvarygreatlyfromhourstoyears.Theyears
tendstoincludeoneofthefollowing2factors:"Youwantittostay"or"You
feelitneedstostay."Itdoesnothaveto,andsometimessomeonejustneeds
thatpermissionofknowingthatitdoesnothaveto.Infact,ifyoudislikesuch
suggestionsandtheydonothaveyourconsenttobethereunderany
conditionatall,thentheycanjustfade,andthephrasescanjustbetheir
normal,everydaydefinitions.
Withreinforcement,thelatterstillapplies,don'twantit?Canfade
regardless.Butifyoudowantthemtobethere,reinforcementcanlengthen
howlongthingsstayforagoodbitof(undefined)time.Andusingthe
trigger/phraseandhavingitwork?Reinforcement.
Evenifyoucompletelydonotwishforthemtobethere,ifthesuggestion
appearsto"stick,"sotospeak,there'snoreasonyoucan'tgotoa
professionalinyourgeneralarea(inotherwords:notwalkinguptosomeone
elsewhomightdothingsyouwon'tlike,butsomeonewhoactuallywill
upholdtheirendofthedealandcandosointelligently).Andsomepeople
wouldprefertodojustthat,justtobecompletelysure,youknow?
HypnoticNow
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Iwillalsomention,withtheabove?There'saLOToflittlefactors.Emotion,
stress,abilitytofocus,ifyourbody/mindarecapableoffollowingthe
suggestion,andsoon,thatchangethatalreadyveryvariabletimeframe
(differsperperson)muchmore(differsgreatlyinonepersondependingon
othershtuff).
Howlongposthypnotictriggerslastandwhocantriggerthemvaryit
dependsonhowyoufeelaboutthem,andwhatyouthinkshouldhappen.If
yousubconsciouslybelievethattheeffectwillhappenwheneveryou're
awareofanyoneusingthephrase,thenitwill;ifyouwantittojustbewith
peopleyoutrusttoletithappenwith,thenthatwillbetrue.
Therearethreethingsyouneedinorderforatriggerphrasetowork:
1)Youneedtorecognisethetrigger
2)Youneedtobeabletoperformtheeffect
3)Youneedtoacceptthatit'sgoingtohappen
Ifallthreeofthoseapply,thenitdoesn'tmatterwhetherthetriggerwasset
up50yearsagoandneverinvokedsince,oracoupleofdaysago,with
repeatedusesandreinforcementsince,orevenjusttalkedaboutwithout
yourbeingintranceatthetimeit'sperfectlypossibletoagreeatrigger
phraseandeffectwithsomeoneinconversationandhaveitjuststart
working.
Havingatriggerstopworkingisassimpleaschoosingtostoprespondingto
it,ordecidingthatyou'renolongersupposedtorespondtoitthecatchis
thatthedecisionhastoincludethesamepartofyourmindthat'sresponsible
forrespondingtoitifyoujustmakeasuperficialdecisionthat"no,Idon't
wanttofeelincrediblepleasureoncue",whiledeepdown,partofyouis
going"mmm,incrediblepleasure...andbeingmadetofeelitisSOHOT!"
thenit'sgoingtokeephappening...
Ericc
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Iheardofaguywhohadbeeninthesecondworldwar19391945asa
soldieronthefrontline,withplanesflyingoveranddroppingbombs.
About30yearslater,hewasdigginghisgardenandaplaneflewoververy
low,andhehitthegroundautomaticallyhissubconsciousmindthoughtthe
warwasstillon.
DoggyBoneDoggyBone
Myguessisthatunlessthepartofthebrainthatcontainsthememoryofthe
suggestionorwhateverhypnosishasbeendonetoyou,itwillneverever
trulybe'undone'...I'msureitcanfadeandmaybeevenhaveanother
hypnotistremovetheeffect.ButIalsothinkitwouldbedoableforsomeone
toreinvokethosesuggestions.Ormaybesomethinghappensingeneralthat
'reinvokes'thecorrectpathwaysinyourbrainthatmakethesuggestions
activeagain.
Idon'tknowenoughpsychologytoknowifthisiscorrect,howeverwiththe
limitedknowledgeIdohave,mylogictellsmethismightbethecase.Can
someonemoreknowledgeablegivemefeedbackonthis?
AnywayIhaddormantprogramminginsidemethattriggeredoutoftheblue
about8monthslater(thepersonwasnteveninmylifeatthattime),soyea...
Ithinkyoucan'tevertrulyknowhowsomethingisgoingtowork.Everyoneis
differentinsomeregard.
teamfluffy
Hypnosiscanlastforever.That'swhatmakeshypnotherapyeffective.
Andwhetherthetriggerworksfromanyoneorjusttheoriginalhypnotist
dependsalotonthetrigger,andtosomeextent,onyou.
NaughtHypnotist
Iknewthat"triggers"wouldpopupinresponses,inthisgroup.So,while
we'reonthesubject,perhapswecansetanchorandstayhereabitand
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discusswhatismoreimportanttofocusonlearningtodo,forsome...better...
toensuremorepermanentchange.Whatisatrigger?
BigDaddyBigDaddy
OK,I'mnevertoproudtoriskabitofembarrassmentattheopportunityto
learnsomething...
Atriggerisastimulustoactivateaposthypnoticsuggestion.
BigDaddyBigDaddy
Further,Iwouldtrytodeactivateit,notby'turningitoff'becausethe
subconsciousdoesn'trespondwelltonegatives,butredirectingit.For
instance,Insteadoftryingtosay"ithasnoeffectanymore"Iwouldsay
"whensomeonesays'X'toyou,insteadoftheresponseyouweretold,you
willlookatthatpersonasiftosaywhatdidyouexpectthattodo"whichis
aboutwhatanormal,unhypnotizedpersonwoulddoifyou,saysaid"cum
forme".
lucidpsilucidpsi
LOLamateurhypnotist.Haveyourdommakethechangestoeffectyouonly
byhiswordsoractions....easypeasy.
BigDaddyBigDaddy
@lucidpsi,atnotimedidtheOPstatethathernewDomisahypnotist,only
thatheinnocentlyactivatedhersuggestionwithatriggerphrase.
LadyXexLadyXex
stopfightingthereactionsfloodingyourmind.
OPIclearlyreadfromyourpostthatyouDONOTwantwhat'shappeningto
yousoIreallydon'tgetwhysomeothersaretryingtotellyouwhatyouwant
orwhatyoushouldwant.
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IthinkAmHypnoticsaiditbest.Considerseekingoutaprofessional,
reputablehypnotisttohelpyouwiththis.
lucidpsilucidpsi
@BigDaddyrapportiseverything.Ifshetrustsherdom....andhecaresfor
her,hecouldlearnjustenoughtohelpherveryeasily.
BigDaddyBigDaddy
Thisistrue,asidefromthat,IwouldhavetogowithLadyXex'ssuggestion,
tryingtoundowhatanotherhypnotisthasdonemaybebetterlefttoapro,
orsomeoneshetrustsimplicitly,likeherDom.
NaughtHypnotist
@BigDaddy...<<Atriggerisastimulustoactivateaposthypnotic
suggestion.>>
Ofthethreenounsinyourstatement,whichisthemostimportant,meaning,
whichrequiresthemostskill?
Imostlysee,onthesegroups,alotoffocusonwhattodo,andlittleonhow
todoit.Thereareevenlistsyoucandownloadthatdetailtricksandschemes,
andthreadsinquiringabout"accomplishments".
Thereweresomegoodresponses,yettheycontainpresuppositions.WhatI
willaddtoallthisabout"Howlongdotheeffectsofhypnosiswork?",isthat
timingiseverythingandlearningisstatedependent.There'sawordIslipped
inmypreviouspostthatencompassestheseconcepts.
BigDaddyBigDaddy
Ofcourseyouarespeakingof'anchoring'andyouruseoftheword
presuppositionalsobringstomindtheuseofthedoublebindanchor,asking
thehypnoteeaneither/orquestioninwhichbothanswerspresupposethe
desiredsuggestionisatruestatement,thusinmakingachoicethehypnotee
issettlingintheirownmindthetruthofthesuggestion.Theactualskill
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comesininbeingabletocomeupwithascriptthatavoidsnegatives,and
givesthehypnoteessubconsciousnooptionthatdoesNOTincludeaccepting
thesuggestionasbeingtrue.
sdotni68sdotni68
Haveyoucompletelypartedwayswiththeoriginalhypnotist?Iguessforme,
andIamnoexpertbyanystretch,myfirststepwouldbetogobacktothe
source,theoriginalhypnotist,ifatallpossible.Itwouldbefareasierforthat
persontohelpthansomeonenewsteppingin.Ifthatisntpossible,Iagree
thatseekingaprofessionalisthenextbestidea.
Iaskedthatquestionofmyhypnotistonce.Hetoldmethatheputs
safeguardsinplacetopreventaccidentaltriggers.Hewasveryspecificwith
hiswording.
Goodlucktoyou!
imhappy420imhappy420
Dear@submissjean,
SowhatI'mgettingfromyourinitialmessageisthatsomeonehypnotized
youandgaveyouphrasesthatwouldcausereactionsfromyou.
Thenyoudecidedyoudidnotwanttodoitanymore.
Andnowyourdomisstilltellingyouthesephraseseventhoughyoudonot
wanthimto?
NaughtHypnotist
@BigDaddy:,<<youruseofthewordpresupposition...>>,myuseofthe
word"presupposition"isanindicationthatmanyoftheresponseswerefrom
thestandpointthatcertainconditionswerealreadyinplaceandskillful
techniquewasapplied.
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<<Theactualskillcomesininbeingabletocomeupwithascriptthatavoids
negatives,andgivesthehypnoteessubconsciousnooptionthatdoesNOT
includeacceptingthesuggestionasbeingtrue.>>
NooptionthatdoesNOTinclude...somuchforavoidingnegatives...lol
Anexampleofwhatyou'retalkingaboutisthestatement:"Youcango
deeper".It'satruestatement,anditincludesapresupposition.Canyougive
anexampleofwhatyouwerethinking?
BigDaddyBigDaddy
Well,inadoublebind,youwouldaskthehypnoteesomethinglike"Doyou
cumsohardwhenyouaregiventhecommandbecauseofthespontaneityof
it,orbecauseyouperceiveittobeamajoractofsubmission?"Theansweris
immaterial,becausethepointwastogetthesubconscioustoacceptthat
therewouldbeapowerfulorgasmwhenthecommandisgiven.Neither
answerallowsforanyqualificationofthatsupposition.
___________________________________
Fractionationgoodorbad?
byshaniquaover1yearago
Ihaveanotherquestionforalltheexperiencedhypnotists...whyisitthatfor
somepeople,fractionationdrivesthemmuchdeeper,butforme,ittendsto
bringmeoutoftrance?IsitsomethingI'mdoing?Orisitbyvirtueofthefact
thatmyexperiencestendtobeonlineandperhapsnotasdeep?
NaughtHypnotist
Definefractionationandhowyourhypnotistsaredoingit.
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Ditto.
PeterPaul
Fractionationworksverywellasadeepenerforme.It'sparticularlyeffective
whenthehypnotistclearlystatesthatIwillgodeepereachtimeIenter
trance.
Asasubject,wheredoyoufocusyourattentionduringfractionation?Ifocus
primarilyonthehypnotist'svoice,butIalsoremainawareofhowmybody
feelsduringtheprocess.Thecombinationoffocusingmostlyonthe
hypnotistandpartiallyonthesensationofrelaxingbackdownintotrance
doesitforme.
teamfluffy
Notsurewe'retalkingaboutthesamething.Afaik,fractionationalways
workstosomedegree.
Andyoudocomeout.Sorta.That'sthepoint.
Fractionationhasalwaysworkedforme...Idohoweverfinditmoreeffective
to"explain"theprocessduringtrance."youwillawakenslightlyonlytofall
deeperwhenyoureyesclose..."
MrNightmare
IthinkIhearyousayingthataspecificfractionationtechniqueisn'tworking,
andIwouldjustexpressthattoyourhypnotist.
Fractionationitselfisjusttheresultofhavingsomeonebringyouinandout
oftrancequickly.Thekeythereisthatyouactuallyhavetogoinandoutof
trance.Dependingonthemethod,thespeed,andyourownabilitytolearnto
entereachstate,itcanvaryineffectiveness.
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Formostpeople,ifitistoofastitbecomesverydisorienting.Forothersthey
stopcomingoutoftranceafteracertainpoint(soitsbestforthehypnotistto
noticethisandstopfractionatingbecausethepersonhasreachedthat
point).
Ifindthatmyowneffortsindoingthisareverymuchawaytohelpaperson
learnthattheycanrespondtotrancetriggersfasterthantheycan
consciouslyprocess,andthislearningalonegivesthemexperiencetohave
betterresponseinotherways.
David
teamfluffy
Itdoesn'tseemtorequirespeed.Simplygoingintotrancerepeatedlycando
it.Ascangoinginandout.
ambersub
Fractionationasingoinginandoutoftrance.Imightgounderdeeply,then
getwokenup,butthennotdropbackdowndeeplyorevenatall.Iseemto
getstuckatthatpartasIseemtoanticipatethehypnotistdroppingmeback
downandthensomeweirdsortofresistancebuilds.
Couldthisbeanonlinephenomena?
It'smoreayougettingexcitedanddistractedphenomena.:).Yes,other
techniquesandpracticeandofflinefocuscouldhelp,butthatgiddy
distractionisacommonthing.
NaughtHypnotist
<<Couldthisbeanonlinephenomena?>>
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Youmeanquestionabletechnique,becauseeveryTom,DickandHarryis
doinghypnosisbecauseit'scoolandtheyreadbooksandwatchYouTube
videos?Ithinkyoumaybeontosomething.
MrDanger
Fortheloveof.......
@hypnaughtyist
CanyouPLEASEtrytouseyourpowersforgoodinsteadofevil?
Whatgoodisittohavesomuchknowledgeandexperienceifallyoudowith
itisquipsandlazyanswers?
ThispersoncametoGAINinformation.Youareatstriketwoonresponses
andhaveyettoactually"help".
Orofyouareunwillingorunabletohelp....pleasestepaside(quietly)and
clearapathformorepositiveresponses.
NaughtHypnotist
@MrDanger
Ifyoukeepthisup,peoplewillthinkwe'reateamandwe'llhavetotakethis
showontheroad.
JustbecauseIdon'tspoonfeedanswersorpontificateabouthowit"should"
bedone,doesn'tmeanI'mnotbeinghelpful.
teamfluffy
@OP
Ithinkit'smorelikelyashaniquaphenomenonthananonlineone.I'mnotin
yourhead,(thatI'mwillingtoadmit:),andIhaven'twitnessedthesituation
soI'mreluctanttomakeanyfurtherguessesaboutwhat'sup.Butifyouthink
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you'reexperiencingsomesortofresistance,thenyouprobablyare.Sorta.I
mean,ifyoubelieveinresistance,whichIdon'treally.
InNLPterms,"resistance"usuallypointstoanecologyissue.Thatis,some
degreeofsafetyorconsentortrustisprobablyinplay.Ifyou'reinterested,
thenyouprobablywanttoexplorewhatthatmightbeaboutandhowto
addressit.Thatis,anothertime,anotherplace,anotherpartner,the
experiencemaybetotallydifferent.
ambersub
Ihaveheardofgoodcop/badcop,buthaveneverheardofitbeingappliedto
hypnotistsuntilnow.LOLThankyouforalltheresponses.IwilladmitI
gravitatetowardsthepositiveonesalittlebitmore,butthatisjustmy
naturalbend.AllofitishelpfulthoughandIlearnstuffevenwhenthereis
generalbanter.Now,believethisornot(afterall,itistheInternet),Ihave
lookedforofflinekinkawareprofessionalhypnotistsinmyareaandtheyare
dreadfullydifficulttolocate.Thatmaysurpriseyou,butIassureyouitistrue,
atleastwithmysearchingability.Thus,theeaseandsafetyofonlineis
appealing,butIamawarethatitmightcomewithlimitations.Thatisthefull
andcompletereasoningbehindthepostingofthequestion.Inaddition,Ilike
tohearifothershavethesameproblemthatIdoorifIamsomehow
"unique"likeaspecialsnowflake.
ambersub
Bythewaythisisanextremelyintelligentgroup.Allofyouarewonderfully
insightful.
NaughtHypnotist
Shaniqua,Isimplycouldhaverespondedbyansweringyourquestion
"FractionationGoodorBad",bysaying,it'sgood,perhapsit'syour
hypnotists'techniquethatisinquestion.Ididalludethatitthefaultliesnot
withyou,butperhapswithyourhypnotist(s),inmylastpost,butfirst,I
wantedtoknowyourunderstandingofwhatfractionationisandhowitwas
beingused.Doingsowouldbringtomindoutofconsciousnessexperiences
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andotherswouldalsolearn.Sowhilethepersonwholabelledmy
contributionsas"evil",heactuallycontributednothing,otherthanprodme
tobemoredirectinmyresponses.It'slikebuyingabookandreadingthefirst
pageandthenskippingdirectlytothelastpage.Youdidlearn,andso,I'm
sure,didmanyothers;what'snotpositiveaboutthat?
TigsterTigster
Iusuallylurk,mostlybecauseotherpostersdoanexcellentjobofcoveringa
topic,butIwillchimeinheretosaythatHypnaughtytistusessubtletyand
leadingquestionstoallowmostreaders/learnerstomaketheirown
connectionsanddiscoveries,andsuchsubtletycanoccasionallyleave
someonehereorthereatthecurb.
Asteachingtechniquesgo,it'snotfork12,onesizefitsalltypeinstruction,
norforthosewhomaybetoousedtothat.It'snotpurelySocraticeither,but
it'seffectiveinsofarasI'vetakenthetimetodeconstructandnotice.
ambersub
Hypnaughtytist:Yourcommentscameacrossasifyouhaveageneraldisdain
foronlinehypnosisandIsupposethatwasthereferencebeingmadebythe
othergentleman.Withyourprofession,Ihavenodoubtofyourabilitiesor
thatyouareaMasterCraftsmanwithwords.Asyouknow;however,
sometimessinceretoneandembeddedinflectionsdonotcrossthebarrier
intowrittenform(intheonlineworld)asswimmingly.Asforthelearning
goingon,thatwasthepointofmyfollowuppostthankingyouandeveryone
else.Iamalwaysgettinginformationfromyou(onmultiplethreadsnow)and
Irespectyourtalentandabilityfarmorethanyouknow.
MrDangerMrDanger
heactuallycontributednothing,otherthanprodmetobemoredirectinmy
responses
Missionaccomplished!
YouaretrulyOblivious(funnyhedoesn'tlookIrish)
Now.....trygivingtheanswerinitially...
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Andevil???No.....pretentious....presumptuous....snobby.....didactic....butnot
evil.
Thefactthatyoustarteverydiscussionassumingyouaretheretoteach
ratherthanhelpisarealclue.
Youmeanwell...buthavingbeenonthereceivingendofyourlargesse
before,Icanassureyou...completely......thatyourmessageisnot
communicatingthewayyouthinkitis.
NaughtHypnotist
<<Thefactthatyoustarteverydiscussionassumingyouarethereto
teach...>>
Change"assuming"to"choose"andIwouldsay,guilty,ascharged.
<<...ratherthanhelpisarealclue.>>
Here'sthedifferencebetweenmytraining...andyours.Iwastaughtto
operateinagenerativemanner.Youweretaughttointerveneinaremedial
way...you'rea"fixer";apersonhasaproblemoraquestion,youmakeitgo
away.Theylearnnothing.AsfarasIknow,therearen'talimitedamountof
responsesallowed,onaparticularpost.Youcan,justaseasily,dipintoyour
wealthofknowledge,andgiveadirectanswer,yourself.
MrDangerMrDanger
Youweretaughttointerveneinaremedialway...you'rea"fixer";aperson
hasaproblemoraquestion,youmakeitgoaway.Theylearnnothing
AgenerationofMarinesthatItaughttobeproblemsolverswoulddisagree.
ThedifferenceisIknowWHENtoteachandWHENtohelp.
But,Iwillleaveyoualone....fornow..becauseIknowhowtrulyannoyingitis
tocomeonheretodoonesimplethingandthenhavesomeonewhothinks
heishelpingbutisreallybeingadistractionfromthatonesimplething
pitchingin.Seehowthatfeels?
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@Hypnaughtytistand@MrDangeryoubothneedtotakeyourquarrelling
elsewhere.
BigDaddyBigDaddy
OKyoutwo,reporttoduel.com,whereyouwillbegivenachoiceoftwo
matchedkeyboards.Thechallengedpartygetsfirstpick.Atthecountof
10,000,000,000(asecondona10GHzclock)Youwillbothturnandfire
missivesateachother!
MrNightmare
@shaniqua:
Fractionationasingoinginandoutoftrance.Imightgounderdeeply,
thengetwokenup,butthennotdropbackdowndeeplyorevenatall.I
seemtogetstuckatthatpartasIseemtoanticipatethehypnotistdropping
mebackdownandthensomeweirdsortofresistancebuilds.
Couldthisbeanonlinephenomena?
Somepeoplegettoapointinatrancewheretheyarenaturallyfractionating
(i.e.theydropintotrancewithlittleinputandthencomeoutwhenthey
realizeitandthendropagain)
Thisstatecanbemanufacturedaswell,basicallybyanchoringthestateof
feelingsomesignofthembeingawaketoastateoffallingintotrance.Iam
notsurehowworthwhilethisisformostpurposesbutitprobablywouldfeel
goodinsmalldosesandintherightcontext,andseemprettyevil.
Fractionationaspartofahypnotismsessionisusuallymoreformallythekind
ofthingweseeincertaininductions(asyouopenyoureyes/raiseyour
arms/breathinyouwillfeelyourselfrisingup,andthenclosingyour
eyes/dropyourarms/breathoutyouwilldroptwiceasdeepasbefore).
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Forme,onceIgetasubjectsothattheyareskilledatgoingintotrance
quickly(e.g.whenIsnapmyfinger)Iwillinstructthemtodropintotranceon
asnapandcomeoutoftranceonasnap.Icanthendoafastersortof
fractionation,withoutinstructingthemexplicitly,howevertheinstruction
thateachtimeyoudropitwillbeeasierandfasteraslongasitissafeand
appropriateispartoftheregularinduction/deepenerinstructions.
NowIamnotopposedtotextbasedonlinetrance,oraudio,oraudio/video,
althoughIpersonallydon'tlikehypnotizinginthosemediumsevenwith
regularpartners.Itendtoreadalotfromphysicalsignalsthataren'taseasy
toregisterremotely,andhavingthesharedexperienceofbeinginessentially
thesamespacemeansthatIcanunderstandthepersonsstateandutilizethe
locationetc...Sincemymethodsoffractionationsomeonerequiremeto
knowwhenthedownisatitsdeepestbeforeIdotheup,IfeellikeIwouldbe
hinderedwithoutreallygoodsenseofthepersonsstate.
Idothinkthatifyoujustfocuswithyourhypnotistonbothhowtogettothe
deepesttranceforyoueachtime,andtheunderstandingthatitisokayto
comeoutoftranceatanytime,itwilleventuallyresultineachtimeyouboth
intendthetrancetohappenitwillbebetter.Somepeoplelikelong
inductions,andlikebeingdroppeddownoveralongtime,andthatisfine.
MostlypartnersIhavethatIplaywithregularly,theeffortistokeepthem
fromgoingintotrancewhenIhaven'tindicatedit,sotheideaofhaving
troublegoingintotrancedoesn'treallycomeupafteramonth.OnethingI
encourageasthatcomingoutoftrancefeelsgoodandleavesapersonina
capableandnicestate(appropriatetowhytheyhavecomeoutoftrance)
andbecauseofthis,theanxietyofcomingoutoftranceisreduced.Ifyou
enjoygoingdownintotrance,thentheonlywaytodosoistocomeoutof
trancefirst:)
Anywayitsobviouslyaworthwhiletopicingeneral.
David
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Ifyouareusingadirectanddirectiveformalinductionwithhypnotistsaying
somethinglike"nowyouxywhanIzt(andbeingonlinehavingmore
difficultyguessingwhereyouare)"maybeonecouldtrywithamore
permissiveapproachgivingtimetothesubjecttogetintoadeeperlevelon
yourontimingbysayingsomethinglike"nowyoucanjustallowyourselfto
driftbacktothatwonderfulstateofnjnj,thistimeevendeeperthanbefore.
Andwhenyougetthereatyourowntimeyoucangivemeasignbyrising
yourindexfinger,evenifunconsciously(orwhatever)..Thatsmallchangeof
focuscansometimesjustglossoversomeofthecontrolrelatedtensions.
ambersub
ExcellentsuggestionsandIthankyouboth.IknowIwouldbenefitfromlive
hypnotherapy,butisthereanythingyoucanthinkofthatIcandointernally
thatmighthelpasopposedtoexternally?Perhapsashiftinfocusor
somethinglikethat?Anythingyoursubjectsmighthaverelayedtoyouthat
helpsthemstayintranceduringthefractionating(thatmaynotbeaword
butyouknowwhatImean).
NaughtHypnotist
MrDreamsaid:<<Idothinkthatifyoujustfocuswithyourhypnotistonboth
howtogettothedeepesttranceforyoueachtime...>>
Thiswouldrequireametapositionand,therefore,adissociativeperspective,
whichiscounterproductive.
Shaniqua:<<IknowIwouldbenefitfromlivehypnotherapy>>
Thisstatementmayverywellbetrue,butwhatdoesithavetodowith
followingthebouncingball,inahypnosissession?
<<Perhapsashiftinfocusorsomethinglikethat?>>
Uhhh....that'swhatfractionationisallabout.
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<<helpsthemstayintranceduringthefractionating>>
TeamNoiraddressedtheprocess.
Forget"stayingintrance".Fractionationisaboutwhereyourfocusof
attentionisplaced.Itseemsyouarebeingabackseatdriver,oryour
hypnotists'skillsarenotuptosnuff.
lucidpsilucidpsi
I'mnotsureiffractionatingsomeoneonlineisquitethesameasinperson
anyway.Iwonderifshe'sspeakingoftext,recordingorskype.DidImissthat
part?I'vebeentoldthatsomepeoplehavedifficultywiththeonlinething.I
neverreallydid...butIhadsomespecialcircumstancesearlyinmyhypnosis
experiencesthatallowedsomebizarreopenness.
Ialsowonderifsuggestionsarebeingaccepted&acteduponorifthereisno
signofsuccess.We'reallawarebynowthatdeephypnosisisn'tnecessaryfor
asuggestiontobeaccepted....somaybeit'sthefeelingbeinglost...ora
hypnotistthatdoesn'tknowwhattolookforinsomeoneslippingin&out?
Iagreethatalotofpeoplehavebecome"hypnotists"quicklyrecently...but
weallhavetostartsomewhere.Istartedoutwithmeditation&spiritual
tranceforover25years&laterfoundhypnosisin2010.I'vestudied
extensively....yes,mostlyonline...frombooks,experiencesand/orthrough
hypnotistsniceenoughtomentor.Nope...haven'tpaidthefeesforclasses&
whileI'vedonesomefreebies...I'velearnedmorefromonesessionwitha
goodhypnotist.Everythingisthereforsomeonewithtime&theabilityto
research&read...discerningthebsfromtherealthing.Meaning....Ihaven't
learnedeverythingIknowfromhypnotizeme,warpmymindlolI've
seenalotofconfidencewithlittletonorealknowledge....or
conversely...loadsofknowledgewithnopracticalexperience.It'sthelatter
thatactuallydrivesmecrazymore.
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Iwouldaskmyself2questions...isthehypnotistcapable?and...amIallowing
themto?Ifthefirstisyes&the2ndisyourconcern...thanselfhypnosis
couldhelp.
Everstaredintoafishtankatadoctor'soffice...heardanameoverthe
speaker..andkindasnappedoutofit...thenfoundyourselfjustasdrawnin
again?You'retotallycapableofreconnecting....yetyourmindgoesrightback
whenit'snotnecessarytobe"there".
Practiceonyourown.Findsomethingthatfascinatesyou...ormultiples.Ilike
tooverload.Incense,musicwithnolyricsorbinaurals/isochronics,something
tolookatthatdrawsyouin...(spirals,fishtank,spiritualstatue)Giveyourself
amantraorashortversetothinkabout,BREATH!Also,Ifindthatstaring
upwardhelps.Afanorfishtankrunning...Overloadyoursenses.Deeply
focusonallofthesethingssimultaneouslywhileneverstoppingtheversein
yourmind.Anddon'tforgettobreath:)Focusonyourbreath...andthe
music...pacethewords/verseinyourmindtothebeat....up&down.Train
yourownmind.
btw....Getpasthissmartassexterior&you'llfindthat@Hypnaughtytist
teachesinadifferentway.Teachamantofish....Listentothelanguage
patterns.Ifyouhaveanyclueaboutwhatitisthatwedo...hisbanter
wouldn'tpissyouoffatall.
butisthereanythingyoucanthinkofthatIcandointernallythatmight
helpasopposedtoexternally?
hypnosisisaninteractionwheremorecontroloftheprocessiswiththe
hypnotist.Evenwhenitisapermissiveapproachwhereheis"gently
directing"andadjustingtothesubjectinsteadof"directlyimposing".
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Gettingconsciouslyintotheprocessandtryingtohelpthehypnotistmightbe
counterproductive.Well,depends,itcanbeturnedinourfavorofcourse,as
everything,buttoavoidmakingthingstoocomplicatedlet'signorethat.
I'mnotsurewhattosayinsituationswheresubjectsaskforadvicelikethis
one,especiallyifthehypnotistisnotinvolved.He/sheneedstodothatmore
thanyou.
teamfluffy
Thiswouldrequireametapositionand,therefore,adissociative
perspective,whichiscounterproductive.
Idisagree,btw.Ithinkthatcreatingmetapositionscanbeaveryeffective
wayofcreatingtrance.Idon'tusuallythinkofthatasfractionationbecause
it'saslightlydifferentprocess,butIsupposeyoucould.
Iwasrecentlytaughtthatoneofthekeybitsofan"Ericsoninduction"is
pointedlytalkingaboutthedifferencebetweenyourconsciousmindand
"you'reunconscious"mind.That'saveryclearformofsplitting,akintothe
metaposition,andacornerstoneofEricson'sapproach.
Tranceisn'tnecessarilyaboutbeingeitherassociatedordissociated.It's
aboutbeinginastateofmindthatissomethingotherthanwhatyou're
familiarwith.Ifyou'reaccustomedtobeingassociated,thenbeingassociated
inthatsamewayisn'tmuchofatranceinduction.Butpointedlycreatinga
cleardissociationishighlylikelytobe/induceaformoftranceforyou.
OnetrickIfrequentlyuseistovalidatesomeone'sdistrust.It'sappropriate
forsomeonetohavequestions,concerns,andtobeskepticalaboutwhat
we'redoing.Ioftenaskthattheskepticalpartofthemselvesbevalidated,
honored,andaskedtositofftothesidewatchingeverythingwedoandtolet
usbothknowifwestrayintoterritorythatisn't
constructive/useful/fun/helpful/etcandIsometimesevensetupspecific
signalsforthatparttouse.Iaskforthatpart'scollaborationwithmein
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creatinganexperienceforthesubject'sconsciousmindandIpointoutthat
partofhowwecreatethatexperienceisthatthepartstepofftothesideand
sortof"hide"itselfforawhile,allwhilemonitoringwhatwe'redoing
carefully.Nottobeabsent,butonlytobehiddenfromtheperson's
consciousmind.
Thisispartswork.Andit'sallaboutsplittingandcreatingmetapositions.It's
alsorelatedtotheoldauthoritarian/dominanceinductionprocesswhereyou
askapersonto"justtrustme"or"putthepartofyourmindresponsiblefor
editingofftothesideforabit,justgiveitarest",andthelike.It'spartofthe
structureof"subspace"asI'vemodeledit.
teamfluffy
Gettingconsciouslyintotheprocessandtryingtohelpthehypnotistmight
becounterproductive.
Itcertainlycan,that'strue.And,ime,thisisaperfecttimeforthesplitting
sortofmetapositionthatI'vejustdescribed.Respectthepartthatwantsto
beconsciouslyinvolved,honorit,giveitsomethingcooperativeand
constructivetodo,andaskittostepawayforabitinordertodothatjob.
It'snotunlikeoverloadinductionswheresomeoneisaskedtocount,orrecite
thealphabetbackwards,ortocountsheep,orto"gotoahappyplace",or
reallyanyothersemiconsciousprocesswhichcankeepaportionoftheir
consciousnessoccupied.
teamfluffy
Oh...andyoumayneedtoreassuretheconsciousmindthatthe"tryingto
help"aspectcan,andwillbedoneunconsciously.Ideomotorsignalscanhelp
withthatalthoughIusuallyjustaskthepersontogoinsideandaskitifit
wouldbewillingtodothat.
SometimesIaskthemtogoinsideandasif"she"wouldbewillingtodothat,
butthatgetsintoawhole'nothersetoflanguagepatternsthatdiscoveredby
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modelingmultiplepersonalitysystemsandI'drathernotelaborateonthatin
thisthreadjustnow.
MrDangerMrDanger
IthinktheOPisaskingaboutthisfromtheclient'sperspective......mostofthe
answersareinregardstothehypnotist(whoisnottheonlypersoninthe
room).
Thequestionis"whatcanIdo.....astheclient....tohelp?"
Shehetryitwhenheismoretired?Maybeafterafewdrinks?Maybeafter
someexercise?Maybeheneedstotryitwithsomeoneelse.Shouldhedrink
tea?
IhaveonlyhadahandfulofpeopleinmyshorthistorythatIcouldnotput
intotrance.....andtheyallaskthesamequestion.."Whatcan'I'dotohelp?".
SoyesIaminterestedaswell.
Whatcanthe'difficult'clientdotohelptheprocess?
MrDangerMrDanger
She=should
reallyneedtoreviewbetterwhenrespondingfrommyphone.
Myapologies.
lucidpsilucidpsi
@MrDangerYes!Everyonewantstogoonabouttheirtextbookknowledge,
butnooneoffersactualexperiences...tellmeastory.Tellmehowyoudoit!
Tellmehowyouhelpyourselfmaketheexperiencestronger&brighterevery
time!Thisismybiggestcomplaintaboutthehypnosisgroupshere.Everyone
isanexpert.Everyonehasgoogle.It'snotdifficulttodiscernwhatthe
experienceshouldfeellike.
teamfluffy
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Seemythirdcommentforinstructionsonhowadifficultclientmighthelp
theprocess.
lucidpsilucidpsi
@teamnoirIthinkthepointI'mmakingisthatweassumethatpeopleasking
questionshavethefirstclueabouthypnosis....andIwasn'tspeakingtoall.
Andbtw...youbeganyourlastpostwithyoumayneedtoreassurethe
consciousmindthatthe"tryingtohelp"aspectcan,andwillbedone
unconsciouslybasicallyspeakingofreassurance...andendedyourpostwith
multiplepersonalitysystemsNowIunderstandwhatyou'retalkingabout,
butifIdidn't...whatlanguagedidyoujustspeaktothelaysubject?
ambersub
Okay,afterputtingallofthisinfo.intomymentalblenderIamreadyto
shareanobservationIthinkmydifficultywithfractionationliesinmy
difficultyinlettinggoalltheway.Thetrancestatestartssmooth,butthe
deepdropischoppyandunpredictable.Itmustbeaninternalissue.Atleast
thathelpsnarrowthefocusthough.Idobetterwhentired,soperhapsthat
willhelp.Youareallhelpingmeonetinyfractionatatime.:)
Onebigthingthatwillhelpyougetpastyourcurrentstickingpointistofind
someonewhocanhypnotiseyoumoredeeply,andprovetoyourselfthatyou
cangodeeper,andthatitisasafeandpositiveexperience.Thismaymean
approachingaprofessionalhypnotherapist.
Onceyou'vegotthereonce,it'llbeeasiertogothatdeepagaininfuture,so
yourpreferredhypnotistshouldbeabletobringyoubacktothatstate(oran
equivalentone).
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AsforhowIpersonallyhavehandledpeoplehavingtroublegoingdeep,I've
talkedtothemaboutit,askedthemiftheyknowwhat'sstoppingthem,and
thenadaptedbasedontheirresponsessometimesit'sassimpleas
reassuringthemthattheycanstillstopiftheyneedto;othertimesit'sother
things...
MrDangerMrDanger
@shaniqua
Areyousayingtheadviceisfractionatingyoutowardsunderstanding:)
Ilikeyourreasoning.Justbecarefulof'overtrying'..Ithinkthatyouare
probablyontosomethingthough.Pleaseletus(meifnooneelse)knowwhat
worksforyouinthelongrun.
MrDangerMrDanger
Acallto"Stopthehypnobabble"shouldNOThavebeenthephrasethe
markedtheendofthistopic
teamfluffy
NowIunderstandwhatyou'retalkingabout,butifIdidn't...whatlanguage
didyoujustspeaktothelaysubject?
Onewhichgivesthemadirectioninwhichtolearnandcausetoask
questions.:).
MrDangerMrDanger
Onewhichgivesthemadirectioninwhichtolearnandcausetoask
questions.:).
OK.....nowwe'rebacktobeingmoreinterestedin'soundingknowledgeable'
thaninactuallyhelpingthepersonbyansweringthequestion.
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Ifyouaskwhyittakessolongtogetanewrifle,Icouldtellyouthat
accordingtoJCIDStherequirementsareestablishedinaCBAandthethen
validatedinanICD.Then,aftertheAOA,andsomegoodDTandOT(atleast
toTRL6)youcangetaCDDthatwillleadyoutoaCPDtomeettheuser
requirement.
Itwouldtrue..butalsogobbledygookthatleavesyounomoreknowledgeable
thanwhenyoustarted.AllIdidwasmakeyouhavetoaskanother
question...orgoawaybecauseyouobviouslyknownothingandexplainingit
toyouwouldbeawasteofmyeducatedtime.
OR,Icantellyou"Well...truthis,thereisagoodprocessbutitisoften
slow...painfullyslow.Therequirementshavetobeworkedthrougharigorous
processthatishardtospeedupunlessthereisaclearchoice.Sorry..it'shard
tomovefasterthanthat."
Howaboutweusearulethatwhenpeopleareaskingquestions(especially
withnotalotoftechnotalk)thatwefirsttrytoanswerthequestioninthe
simplesttermspossible...andTHEN...(watchthis...)IftheyASKANOTHER
QUESTION..THEN...THEN..wegointomoredepth.
NaughtHypnotist
@MrDanger,hasn'ttherebeenenoughsnipingonthisthread?Ieasilycould
havesaidthatlastIsaw,youweren'tmadeamoderatorofthisgroup,nor
havetherulesbeenchangedtoensureresponseswereunderstoodby4th
gradersorthosewhotookahypnosiscertificationcourse,yetlacktheability
tograsppresumablyunderstandablelingo.
IalsocouldhavedefendedTeamNoir'sveryknowledgeable"gobbledygook"
bysayingitisaresponsetomypost,andthatit'snotlikehewas
inappropriatelytalkingoversomeone'shead.IalsocouldhavesaidthatI
understandit,andLucidpsiadmittedshedoes,oraskedwhy"laypeople"
werebroughtintothemix.
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Butinthespiritofgettingalong,I'llrefrainfromsayinganyofit.
teamfluffy
SeemstomethatI'vespokentoseveralaudiencesthroughoutthisthread.
I'mnotdistressedintheleastofnoteverythingIwriteisaccessibleto
everyonewhomightreadit.
Youaskedmetodefendmyself.SoIdid.NofaircomplainingthatIdidwhat
youasked.
MrDangerMrDanger
I'mkindagladyoudidn'tsaythosethings.
AllthistimeIthoughtyouweresimplybeingegocentricandpompous.I
thoughtyouwereintentionallybeingHyphaughtyist...butnowIseethatit's
notthatyouwon'tjustansweraquestionsimply....it'sthatyoucan't.And,
forthat,Iapologize.
Yousee,inmyyearsasaninstructorIlearnedthattherealartofteachingis
actuallybuildingthatbridgefromwhatIknewtowhattheotherperson
knew.Teaching...realteaching...isaboutmakingtheabstractorunknown
reachable.
Andno,I'mnotamoderator.I'mjustoneofthemembersofthegroupwho,
whenIsawthequestion(onethatIhadencounteredaswell),hadhoped
thatsomeonecouldprovideanswerssimplyandplainly.Foraminute,I
thoughtthatwasyou....butnowIrealizethatIwaswrong...ithappens.
MrDangerMrDanger
Sowhatdowehavesofar?
*Relax
*Tryusinganotherhypnotist(perhapsaprofessional)
*Lookintothecause
*considerdifferentinductions
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NaughtHypnotist
@MrDanger
Thereareover11,000membersofthisgroup,yet,youplacetheonusof
pinpointingtheexactanswertoaquestionaboutaprocesswithunknown
variables,onme.I'mflattered,butitdoesn'tworkthatway.Idon'thave
accesstotheOP'strancesessions,noracrystalball,toknowexactlywhere
thestrategyfails.Allthatcanbedoneisgivesomeadviceandthen,it'supto
himtogobackandtrysomethingdifferentandnoticetheresults.
Forthosewho'vereadthisthread,it'sunlikelythatitcanbesaidtheydon't
knowmoreaboutfractionationthanbeforereadingtheresponses,which
wereallincrediblyinsightfulandhelpful(Iespeciallyenjoyedthefishtank
metaphor).Yourattitudeiseitherintentionallyinsulting,totheother
respondents,oryouhavealackofunderstandingaboutwhatyou'veread.
Youarelookingforthe"right"answers,whenactually,youneedtoaskthe
"right"questions.
MrDangerMrDanger
Yupyougotme.
Movealongnow.
teamfluffy
Sowhatdowehavesofar?
Actually,IthinkwhatIsaidwastohonortheresistanceandworkthrough
ecology.
Addressconcerns,recruitthe"resisting"part.Essentially,6stepit.
MrDanger
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Andwhatyoumissedwasthecommentthatthatonlymeanssomethingif
youalreadyunderstandit.
So....forthesakeofunderstandingandlearning......breakitdownforme.
Andagain.....thequestionwasaskedfromthepointofviewoftheperson
beinghypnotized..whatcan"I"dotohelptheprocess.
MrNightmare
MrDreamsaid:<<Idothinkthatifyoujustfocuswithyourhypnotiston
bothhowtogettothedeepesttranceforyoueachtime...>>
Thiswouldrequireametapositionand,therefore,adissociative
perspective,whichiscounterproductive.
IamnotsureIagreeeither,butImostlyjustmeant,don'tworryabout
fractionationatall,thatitsoundedliketheissuewasmorewrappedaround
thequestionofhowtogetdeepeasily,ratherthanafractionationtechnique.
David
MrDangerMrDanger
@MrDream
IamnotsureIagreeeither,butImostlyjustmeant,don'tworryabout
fractionationatall,thatitsoundedliketheissuewasmorewrappedaround
thequestionofhowtogetdeepeasily,ratherthanafractionationtechnique.
Ihavefoundthatusefulintherapeuticsessions.
Ihadaclientwhofound'proofs'(likeforgettingthenumber4,andarm
catalepsy)tobe'pettricks'thatsherejectedoutofhand.Shefeltonabasic
levelshewasbeingputondisplayforamusementandnotforanything
positive.So,followingafriend'sadviceIsimplywentonwiththesession;the
purposeofwhichwasincreasingherdesireandpleasurefromworkingout.
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Shetooktoitlikeacharmandwasabletovisualizejustfineaswellas
associateemotions(success,victory)toherworkouts.
Ithinkthoughthatfor'erotichypnosis'peoplearelookingforthe"proof".
Ratherthanalastingchange,theyarelookingtobecontrolledand...I
think...thattakesusbacktoproofsofsomekind.Makemetouchmyself.
Makemeorgasm.Makemefreezeinplace.Andsoon.
SowhatamIsaying?Thetopicwasfractionation....Ithinkthefractionationis
itselfakindof'proof'(atleastinthiscase)thattheOPseemstobeeither
rejectingorfighting.Iagreewithyouthattheanswermightbetodothe
fractionation(orforgetitentirely)buttojustkeepgoingtothedesired
suggestions.And(myadd)thatthroughrepeatedsessions,thedesiredstate
(onewherethesuggestionscomemoreeasily)maybeachieved.
teamfluffy
AtthispointI'dreferyoutomypreviouscommentwhereIdidexactlythat.I
don'tthinkweneedtorepeatit.
Ihearyourpointthatyou'dliketoseemoreinstructionsforsubjectsin
simpleterms.
Asidefromthat,I'mnotreallysurewhatelseyou'relookingforfromthis
thread.
MrDangerMrDanger
Andthat'sok..Ithinkwe'vesaidenough..feelfreetodepart.
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Whydoesstagehypnosisseemtobesomuchdeeperthanotherkinds?
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Istheresomedifferenceintechnique?Isitpurelytheaudience?Orisitmy
perceptionofitandwhattheydo?
Responses(26of26)
ExtremeKinkDomExtremeKinkDom
Thepressureoftherebeinganaudiencetendstoinfluencepeopletobe
morecooperativewiththehypnotist.
Havenotexperiencedthattobethecaseatall,socan'tsay.
teamfluffy
There'salotofdifferenceinthetechnique,yes.Andyes,theaudiencemakes
adifference.Andyes,it'sprobablyalsoyourperceptionofwhattheydo.
Here'sonebigdifferencetokeepinmind.Astagehypnotistisusinga
shotguninductiontechnique.He'stryingtoputeveryoneintheroomunder
asfastaspossible.Andthepeoplefromwhomheseesresponsesarethe
oneshecallsup.Solongashegetsatleastafewpeopleunderalittlebit,he
canworkthemfurtherifnecessary,andtheshowcancontinue.He's
probablyalsogotatleastamodestcollectionifsillypeopletrickshecantrot
outforvariousdifferentsituations.Whethertheydosillythingsornot,either
wayhecanworkthatintoashowandspinitafterithappens.
Contrasttotypicaltherapeutichypnosiswheresomeonewalksoffthestreet
andthehypnotistmustputthisparticularpersonundernotanyrandom
personfromacrowdofhundreds,butthisparticularperson.Andtheyhavea
veryspecificgoal,statedbytheclient,notthehypnotist.
It'sfashion,imo,buttherapeutichypnosisthesedaystendstoreturnpower
totheclient.It'sabigpartoftheEricsonianmovementtoposethisstuffas
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allbeingdonebytheclientwiththefacilitationofthehypnotist.Contrastthis
withatypicalstagehypnotistswhoisallaboutdominancestylehypnosis
whereheclaimstobetheonewiththepowerandthushaspower"over"his
subjects.I'mnotsurewhythey'vedevelopedwiththisparticulardivision.
Theyhaven'talwaysbeenthisway.Andthedivisionisn'tentirelyrigid.Some
verygoodtherapeutichypnotistsusedominanceapproachestoo.Richard
Bandlerissomewhatinfamousforit.
Socertainly,ifyouromanticizethecontrolaspect,thenitwouldseemmore
intriguing.
It'syourperceptionofit,butyourperceptionisnotunreasonable,depending
onyourexperiencewithhypnotism.
Basically,it'sbecauseofsampleselection.Anythingastagehypnotistcando
toanaturalsomnambulist,Icandoaswellorbetter.(Althoughthat'snot
fair,becauseI'vehadstagehypnosistrainingtoo.)Alltheotherancillary
reasonssocialpressure,etcareplayingoffthefactthatthesubjectsfora
stageshowarenaturallyresponsive.
SenorJaimeSenorJaime
Confirmationbias?
CrowGargoyleCrowGargoyle
I'veactuallytakenaclassonstagehypnosisaspartofmyothertraining,and
theshortansweris,thestagehypnotistisstackingthedecklikemadfrom
beforeheevenhitsthestage.
He'lldowhathecantonotbetheopeningact,sothatthecrowdcanalready
bewarmedupbythepreviousacts,andperhapsabitofsociallubricanthas
beenapplied.(alittlealcoholcanhelploosenapersonup,toomuchandit's
counterproductive)
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Thenhewillhavehimselfintroducedinsuchawayastoestablishhimasan
authoritytofomentcompliancefromthecrowd.
Hewilllaunchintoacoupleofsuggestabilitytests,notingthosewhorespond
extremelywell.Afteranumberoftests(whichactuallynotonlyhelphimfind
thehighresponders,butdoinfactmakeiteasiertogetsomebodyinto
tranceafterdoingthem),thehypnotistwillthenaskforvolunteers,cherry
pickingthehighestrespondersthatvolunteer.(Andgenerally,ifyouare
volunteeringtobeintheshow,youknowyou'regoingtoactgoofy,soyou
gettheshowoffsthatwilldowhatyoutellthemtowhethertheyare
hypnotizedornot)
He'llthendohisinductionanddeepeneronthegrouponstageandhave
themrunthroughaphenomenathatdoesn'trequireadeepleveloftrance.
(gettingthemtofindsomethinghilariouslyfunnythatisn'totherwise,or
gettingthemtofeelhotorcold)
Ifhespotsanybodywhoisn'tbehavingquiteright,hewillsendoneofthe
folksonstagebackintotheaudience,furtherestablishinghimselfasan
authoritytobefollowedandobeyedtothefolksonstage.
Fromthereintoanotherdeepenerandanotherphenomenaortwo.Then
anotherdeepenerandintothestuffthatrequiresadeeptrancestate.
(Givingbirthtoaliens,orgasmsoncommand,etc)
Onlyattheendoftheshowwillthehypnotistperformanexduction.Hemay
havethesubjectsonstageopentheireyesatvariouspartsofthe
performance,butonlyattheveryenddoesheactuallybringthemoutof
trance.
Ihopethatshedsalittlelightonhowandwhystagehypnotistsgetthe
effectsthattheydo.
GuiltyGuilty
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Asothershavestated,partofitissampleselection.Ontheotherhand,I'm
notveryresponsivetohypnosis(unfortunately),buttheonetimeI
participatedinashowwasbyfarthedeepesttranceI'veexperienced.
NaughtHypnotist
Ayoungstockbroker,duringhisfirstweekathisjob,noticedthefrustration
oftheotherbrokers,tryingtheirhardest,togetsales,fromeveryoneon
theirlists.Notwantingtostarttheweeksmilingandendingitsour,popping
antacids,likeeveryoneelse,hetookadifferentapproach.Whenhewasgive
alistof100names,hetoldhalftobuyFordandtheotherhalftosellit.The
nextday,hewasrightwith50peoplewhonowthoughthehaspromise.He
thentold25tobuyColombianCoffeeandtheothertosellit...thenextdayhe
wastwofortwo,with25.Laterthatweek,whenhedidthesame,splitting
orderswiththeremaining25,henowhad12peoplewhowillnowgivehim,
alltheirmoney,withoutbattinganeye.
Sampleselection...sure...butthere'salotmoregoingonthanjusteverybody
whowantsto,comeup,andtheunresponsivewillbeweededout.
Suggestibilitytests,yes,buttherearealso"challenges"utilized.
IlikeGuilty'sadmission:"I'mnotveryresponsivetohypnosis(unfortunately),
buttheonetimeIparticipatedinashowwasbyfarthedeepesttranceI've
experienced."There'sareasonforthis,whichhasn'tbeenmentioned.
lucidpsilucidpsi
Ioncewenttoseeastagehypnotistwithsomefriends.Itwasn'ttherapeutic
butratherforentertainment.Myfriendskindanudgedmetogowhenoneof
theassistantswantedmeonthestage.LOLShe'lltryit....she'lltryanything.
SoIdid.
Iwascooperative...butjustdidn'tgounderinthewayIknowitnow.
Eventually,inalmostanastyway....she(thehypnotist)kindagrabbedmyarm
&pushedmetoexitthestage.Ithinkatapontheshoulderorevenaslight
gesturewouldhavegivenmethepermissionIneededtogo.Ijustsatquietly
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andwatchedtheothersuntilshedidthat.Ireallydidn'tknowwhatelseto
do.AtthetimeIknewnothingabouthypnosis.
Ican'tsaynowifshewasagoodhypnotistornot.Idon'trememberany
definedtechniquethatpointstoanythingI'velearnedorreadaboutsince.I
doknow...shewasrudeinprotectionofher"scene".
Ontheotherhand...Ihavedeeprespectforthosewhodostagehypnotism.I
can'timaginewhatittakestodropacrowdofpeople..letalonegetsuch
responses.Itried2atonce&itwasreallydifficult.Theywerehavingvery
differentexperiences&Icouldn'tpacemyselfwell.Onehadaslight
abreaction&theotherwentorgasmicwithbarelyanyworkonmypart.
Someoftheonlookerslatertoldmeofstartingtotrance.Ya...justtoomuch
goingonatonce.
IguessifIweretotryagain,Iwouldfirstlearnagreatdealmoreaboutstage
hypnotism....
ambersub
Wellthesearesomeimpressiveresponses.Thankyouallforilluminatingme
withalittlebitofyourwisdom.I'mactuallylearningsomethinghere.
Hypnaughtytistwhatistheonethingnotmentioned?
teamfluffy
Idunno.Ithinktherapeuticapproacheshavegonetoofarinthatdirection.
I'mnotconvincedthatthecurrenttrendtowardsreturningpowerisanything
morethancurrentfashion.Isuspectthatdifferentpeopleresponddifferently
todifferentapproachesandthatafairnumberwillrespondbetterto
authoritativeapproachesevenfortherapeuticpurposes.
IsuspectthatthebiggestfactorhasbeenEricson.Hewasextremely
permissiveandhe'sbeenmodeledextensivelybymanyfolks.Hemayhave
beenthesinglemoreimportantpersoninthedevelopmentofhypnosisand
he'scertainlyextremelyinfluentialinthereturningpowerapproach.Idon't
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thinkthatnecessarilymeansthatthisapproachisbetterorevenmoresuited.
Ionlythinkthatitdemonstratesthatdoingsointhiswayisbetter
understoodatthispointinhistory.Somuchsothatmanypeoplesimply
believethatitistheonlyeffectiveway.Idon'tthinkwehaveanyscience
behindthat.
ReturningpowerISeffective.Veryeffective.Andverytimelygiventhenature
ofthesortsofinterpersonalissuesthathavebeenpresentedoverthelast
fewdecadesinwesternculture.I'mnotarguingthatithasn'tbeeneffective
orthatitwasn'tagoodmatch.Ithasandis,imo.
I'marguingthatit'snottheonlyvalidapproach,evenfortherapeutic
purposes.
KircedesRoseKircedesRose
ALLthisAside:becauseitis"stage"readalso"showbusiness"thereisalot
goingonintheStageHypnotistsfavortonotonlygodeepquickbutto
impressandputonagoodshow.
NeverunderestimatethesimpleyetVerypowerfulStagePresenceor
ShowmanshiptomakeahardboiledEgglooklikeMoon.
MusicMysteryMusicMystery
Becausestagehypnotistsstartwithapoolandpickoutthe"performers"and
letthemshine.
NaughtHypnotist
ShaniquaandtinyDanny,sincenoone'ssteppeduptoactuallyanswerthe
questionastowhystagehypnosis"seems"tobedeeperthan"otherkinds",I
askifanyonewho'sresponded,exceptforTeamnoir,whohasapointto
make,understandsthestructureofashow.Ifso,there'sathingwhereyou
hypnotizesomeone,thenwakethemup,foolaroundabit,thenputthem
backintrance...foolaroundabitmore...thenwakethemup...domore
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complexthings...then...wakethemup...noticeapattern.What'sthisthing
called???
@tinyDanny...<<It'stotakeyouandfixyouasquicklyaspossible>>,Ican't
speakforhypnotists,myNLPtrainingssupercedeanyhocuspocuscourses
I'vetaken,andIwillsaywedon't"fix"anyone,sincetheyaren'tbroken.If
youwanttoknowmoreaboutthis,I'llgladlyexplain...elsewhere.
teamfluffy
Iknow!Iknow!wildlygesticulatingraisedhand
MindFlowMindFlow
Lol,AndIalwaysthoughtthatinstantinductionshadmoreperceivedpunch
duetotheutilisationandshapingofbehaviourstowardstrance,then
fractinationtodeepen.
MindFlowMindFlow
Althoughonsecondthoughtsthatishowtherapeutichypnosisisstructured
aswellright?
SuchastheElmaninduction.
William_theGreatWilliam_theGreat
TheactualansweristhatasahypnoticshowmenIusauallyhaveadozen
peopleonstage.Eachofthesewillonlyachievewhatistheircomfortable
levelofhypnoticdepthintrance.Somewillnottranceatallandotherswill
gosodeepthattheywillsurpassahypnoticstateandcompletelyreacha
truesleeplevel.BecauseIbroughtacommitieofpeopleupIcanchosethe
bestsuitedpersonswhoreachaleveltrancebestsuitedfortheproformance.
Onesimplyneedstowatchforthebodiestrancedjesturestofindthat
person.
Typesofinductionsandlevelsoftrancearedictatedbythetrustlevelofthe
personbeingtrancedthanthehypnotist.
MrSnakeMrSnake
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Repeatedfractionation,socialconditioningandpressurebyinstillingfearof
lettingthehypnotistandaudiencedown,onlyusingthemostsuggestibleof
subjects,andofcoursesuperpowers!!!!!
DrDukeofEarlDrDukeofEarl
Simple.BecauseeverythingisSTAGEDbetweenthehypnotistandthosethat
heselects.Dr.Earl
NaughtHypnotist
"Staged",DrEarl?Tellusmore!
AmourTranceAmourTrance
MyanswerisalongthelinesofMrSnake,repeatedfractionation.Andtooa
pileoftheotherthingsmentioned.
barefoothippychickbarefoothippychick
I'veexperiencedclinical,recreational,andstagehypnosisandI'vefoundallto
beenjoyablebutdifferentintheirownway.Ididclinicalhypnosisfor
childbirthanditworkedbeautifully.Thatexperienceconvincedmyhubbyto
getsometrainingsothatwecouldplaywithrecreationalhypnosis(we've
donethatoffandonforsometimenow).Andfinally,I'vegonetothreestage
showsanddidnotintendtovolunteerforanyofthem,butalwaysendedup
onstage.Ithinkthestageexperiencesarerelevanthereanddeservemore
explanation.
Thefirsttimewasatarenaissancefestival10yearsago,anditwasthemost
surprisingbecauseIdidn'texpectit.Thehypnotistdidsomesuggestibility
teststoopentheshowandwhenhesawmyresponseshebroughtmeup
aloneandzappedmeinfrontofthecrowd.Therewasnoinductionjustthe
testsandIwentamazinglydeep.Fortherestoftheshow,Iwasengaged
andactive,andfollowedallsuggestionsandposthypnoticsuggestions
withoutthinking.AsIsaid,itwasunexpectedandIlearnedthatIwasa
suggestiblepersonthatday.
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ThesecondandthirdtimeswereinVegas,andagain,thesuggestibilitytests
gotme.However,theyweretwoverydifferentexperiences.InthefirstVegas
show,thehypnotistdidnotusemuchfractionalizationandhelostmeabout
45minutesintotheshow.ItwasactuallyverydisappointingbecauseIfelt
likeIfailed,butmyhusbandquicklypointedoutthesloppinessofthestage
guyandhowhelostseveralothersduringtheshowinfact,lookingbackat
thetape,hedismissedmeandanotherguyeventhoughwerespondedthe
besttotheinduction,buthedidn'tkeepusengagedandheonlyused
fractionalizationtwice(maybethreetimes)theentireshow.
Thelastshowoccurredrecentlyandwasamazing.ThistimeIvolunteered
afterthesuggestibilitytestsandhadanimmediatechemistrywiththe
hypnotist.Unliketheotherexperiences,Idon'trememberalloftheshow,
butIdorecallhowdeeplyItrustedthehypnotistandhoweasilyitwasfor
metorespondtohissuggestions.Ilostcounthowmanytimeshepoppedme
inandoutoftrance,butIwascompletelyandtotallyengaged.Evenwhen
theshowgotabitraunchysomethingIwaskeenlyawareofinthefirst
Vegasshow,seemednaturalandright.Iorgasmedforhimseveraltimes,
startedtostrip(butwasstopped),and"forgot"Iwasmarriedforawhile.It
wasaveryintenseandsatisfyingexperienceevenwritingitbringsallthose
amazingfeelingsbacktome.Wow.Justwow.
So,themoraleofthestoryasawillingsubjectisthatfractionalization
andRAPPORTisthekey.IthoughtthefirstguyinVegaswasaputz,butI
eitherlearnedtotrustorimmediatelytrustedtheothertwoandtheresults
speakforthemselves.
Ihopethiswashelpfulandinteresting.I'dbecuriouswhatsomeoftheother
hypnotiststhinkaboutmyexperiences.
Regards,Melissa
ambersub
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@Melissaindeed,itisveryinteresting.Infact,itmayevenleadtomynext
questionhereonFL.Thankyouforsharing.
DrDukeofEarlDrDukeofEarl
Melissagaveanexceptionallygoodexplanationoftheinnerdynamicsofthe
individualthatmakesheragoodsubject.Mostpeopleinoursocietyhaven't
aclueabouttheirinnerworldandhavemanydefenseseventhoughthey
mayconsciouslythinkandsaytheywanttobehypnotized.Thesefearsand
defenseshavebeenconditionedinusfromourchildhoodandstayinthe
psycheinouradultlifenomatterhowintelligentoreducatedweare.
Hypnosisisstillatabooareainoursocietyandalloftheinstitutionsofit
School..religion..familyetc.GreatinsightfulresponsefromMelissa.
Dr.Earl
KnowItAll
Someofuswhodowellonstageassubjectsdososimplybecauseweare
hypnojunkies.
Staged?Funny,neverhappenedtome.NothingIhavebeeninvolvedinhas
beenstaged.I'musingthedictionarytermmeaningthatitwassetupahead
oftime.That'sutterbullshit.Droppingmeiseasy,ifIwantit;sometimes
evenifIdon't,asIlearnedatNEEHU4(comfortandsafetywashigh).
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SustainedArousalthroughHypnosis&BreathControl
bySabstjo
Goodday,everyone.
It'sSabrinahere...I'mnewtothisgroup.
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I'vebeenhavingsomeinterestingexperiencesinthepastfewdayslearning
firsthandabouterotichypnosis,dominance,andsubmission.Myassignment
todayistousebreathcontroltosustainaheightenedlevelofarousalwithout
orgasm.
MyearlyreportisthatIambeginningtonoticewhenmyarousallevelbegins
towane.Whenitdoes,mytrainingwithmyteacherkicksin,whichquickly
bringsmebacktotheappropriatelevel.Itcanbequitearush...
Iwonder:doesanyoneinourcommunityhaveexperiencewithbreath
controlandarousal?Ifso,Iamcurioustoknowyourexperiencesfromboth
thedominantandthesubmissiveperspective.
Lookingforwardtoreadingyourthoughts,
Sab
Responses(10of10)
tarrinkaeltarrinkael
I'veneverusedbreathcontrol,butIhaveusedhypnosisforsustained
arousal.Prettysuccessfulaccordingtothesubmissives.
Tantra.
katherinecarlakatherinecarla
Whatdoyoumeanbybreathcontrolinthiscontext?
MasterAvatarMasterAvatar
Yes...usebreathcontrolandcontrolofothervariablesandhypnosis,too.
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Thougheachindividualhasuniquerelationshipstobreathingregardarousal
andorgasm,andtobreathingandquality/typeofarousal/orgasm,aswell.
Justastherearemanyaspectsofexperiencecoincidentaltoarousaland
orgasm.
Breathisaconsiderationinvariousstudiesofsexuality:Tantra,Tao,Kama
Sutra,Quodoushka,etc.
Breathemaybeusedtoenhance,diminishorsustainarousal/orgasm
Itisnotunusualforanindividualtobeoblivioustohowtheybreaththrough
variousdegreesofarousal/orgasmunlessoruntiltheirattentionis
directedtoit.However,askilledobservermaydistinguishtheirnatural
breathingrelativetotheirarousal/orgasmandhavethembreathinspecific
waystoproducespecificresults.
Myshasfindsbreathcontrolquiteachallenge,soIusebreathandother
aspectsofexperience...i.e.,thereisatendencyformys(manywomen)to
extendtheirinsteps(feet)andpointtheirtoesasorgasmapproaches...soI
sometimeshavemygirlkeepherinsteps/toespulledbackallthrough
arousalandintoorgasm...untilItellhertopointhertoes.
IaskedhertodescribeherexperienceofthisrelativetoarousalsoImaypost
ithere.andshesaid,"ithastheriverchangefromnarrowandfastmovingto
wider,deeperandmorepowerful".
W/weedon'tusebreathcontrolbutihavebeenkeptattheedgeoforgasm
forhours,wheniwasallowedtocumiwasinstructedtoanddidhavea5
minutelongorgasm...talkaboutbreathcontrol,ittook5moreminutesto
catchmybreath!Afterabout3minutesitbecamealmostagony...iwantit
againsoonbutmyHusband/Domsaidhewasnotgoingtospoilthefunby
doingittoooften!
DoggyBoneDoggyBone
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Mastercancontrolmybreathing...itcangetscary._.
DoggyBoneDoggyBone
WhenIclimaxIforgettobreathethough...Thatsdifferent.Itsodd,andits
notsomethingMasterdid.
Breathandfocusedtranceforsustainedarousalaswellasfororgasmis
somethingthat'sbeendonewithinmanytraditionsusingvariousmodalities.
Iteachbreatheroticawhichistheuseoffocusedtrancewithbreathingfor
arousalandorgasm.
Breathingconnectsverywelltosustainedarousalstatesofmanysorts,
particularlyerotic.Ashasbeenpointedout,sometantricpracticescombine
focusedbreathingwithvisualizationforsimilarpurposes(likewise,seeenergy
orgasmswhichfrequentlyhaveabreathingcomponent).Thethreebreath
orgasmisbuiltonasimilarconstruct.
Thereareanumbervideosandaudiosinmywebpagesinthepsychestatic
anderoticatrancecategories(bothinthefreeandspecialmembershiplevels,
freehasplentyforthosewithaninterest).
Breathingisgoodforyou...eroticbreathing,doublyso.
Brian
teamfluffy
doesanyoneinourcommunityhaveexperiencewithbreathcontroland
arousal?
Yes.Ido.
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You'lllearnmoreaboutthisfromtantracommunities.
Therewasarecordingafewyearsback,Cyborgasm,whichincluded
recordingsofpeoplehavingsex.Amongthemwasarecordingofawoman
whocouldwillherselfthrougharousalintoandthroughorgasmsimplyby
modulatingherbreathing.
Atfirst,Ididn'tbelieveit.Then,onceIbegantowonderwhetheritwas
possible,Iwasstillcertainthatmencouldn'tdoit.
Well,Icandoitnow.AndI'mmale.It'smoreanoveltythatabreadand
buttersortofbehaviorbutIcandoit.MostofwhatIneededtolearnhas
comefromtantraclassesalthoughseveralbigchunkscamefroma
completelydifferentsortofritualplay.
BarbCarellasdemonstratesbreathingorgasmsallthetimeandoutlinesthem
inherUrbanTantrabook.SheunderwentanfMRIwhiledoingtheprocedure
andtheresultswereconsistentwithaphysicalorgasm.
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Triggers:actingonthemwhileconsciousorunder?
byMesmermoiselleo
I'mstillbuildingskillsasa'tistandmypartnersaregatheringexperienceas
'tees.Ifigurethisgoalmaybeatleastadozensessionsoff.
IwanttomakeaSexslave/Bimbopersonaforeachofmypartners.Of
course,thewaytheyact/talkwillbehottomeifthey'rejustlyingtheir
talking"dumb"butIactuallywanttohavesexwiththemthisway.
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AfewquestionsIhaveis:inthefuture,whenI'veinstalledtheirtrigger
(whateveritisIendupchoosing)...
dotheygointotranceto"wear"thepersonaandbecomekindofsleepylike?
ordoesthepersonaratheractivelytakeoversuddenlywithlotsofenergy?
Ifeellikemalesubjectsmaybemoredifficulttoworkwiththanfemale
subjectsregardingsexualperformanceissuesundertrance?Oristhisapoor
assumption?
Orisitmoreoneofthoseannoyingreplies,"Itvariesfrompersontoperson"
kindofthings?
M.E.
Responses(24of24)
Itdoesdepend,butitvariesmostlyaccordingtowhatyouintend.
Ifyouwantyoursubjectstoexperiencethe"effects"ofyoursuggestions
whileawakeandalert,outsideoftrance,thenyouhavetodefinethetriggers
forthemthatway.
Ifyouwantyoursubjectstostillbeinatrancewhileactingoutforyou,then
setitupthatway.
Italsomatterswhatyoursubjectprefersandisadeptat.Somepeople
stronglypreferthewakingstate,somestronglypreferthetrance,somedon't
care.
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Inmyexperience,particularlywhenthetriggerandthe'teearebothnew,
respondingtoatriggerwhileawakeinvolvesamoment'sblanknesswhilethe
subconsciousprocessesthetrigger,andsignificantchangesinpersonaor
moodofteninvolvepassingthroughaneutral,"blank"state.
Ontheotherhand,withamoreexperienced'tee,thatpausecanbesoshort
astobenonexistentorphrasingthesuggestionsdifferentlycanallowfora
directtransitionfromonestatetoanotherwithoutresettinginbetween.It's
thedifferencebetweenbreakingsomeone'strainofthought,andhaving
theirtrainofthoughtcontinuingunbroken,butveeringtoanewdirection.
Youcan'tabsolutelycontrolhowsomeonewillrespondbutyoucannudge
thingsinonedirectionoranotherwithhowyouphraseandframethe
suggestions,orbydiscussingopenlywiththemwhateffectyou'reafter.
Sometimesthebestwaytogetaparticulareffectistodescribewhatyou
wanttohappenandleavethehowandanyincidentaldetailstothem...
"Whetherinoroutoftrance"isapowerfulpartofasuggestionandmakesit
irrelevantwhateverheadspacetheymaybein.
Rememberyoucanbegoingaboutlikecrazywithenergyandstillbe
completely"deeply"inhypnosis.Theideathattranceisonlya
sleepy/unmovingtypeofstateisamyth.
warlord_mitwarlord_mit
I'llagreeandreiteratewhatalltheseotherfinepeoplehavesaid:theresults
yougetaregoingtobeverymuchdependentonyourphrasingofthetrigger
commandinstructionsandalsohowyoursubject(s)intrepretsaid
instructions.Some"simple"instructionscanbeinterprettedsomewhat
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strangelybythesubconcious,especiallyiftheydon'tnecessarilywanttofully
complywithyourintent(ordon'tunderstandyourintent).Still,practice
makesperfect.Goodluck.
MesmermoiselleMesmermoiselle
Woulditbebetter,regardingcomplextriggers,thatIhavethemreadafew
paragraphsabouttheideaofthescenario,answerconcernsandintents,and
thenputthemintranceandjust"reference"theinformationwe'djust
discussedwithouttryingtodescribeeverythingduringtrance?
OrshouldIreiteratewhathe'sjustreadduringtrancetomakeitmorelikely?
Ifyou'regoingtodiscussandagreeonasharedunderstandingofwhata
giventriggershoulddo,thenyoudon'tstrictlyneedthetranceatalljustthe
agreementonwhatthetriggerconditionis,andwhattheoutcomeshould
be.
Youmaybehappierusingatrancetoturnonthetrigger,andcheckitreallyis
understoodassumingit'llworkcanleadtounexpectedcomplications.How
muchyoushouldreiterateisuptoyouandyour'tee.
Ifyou'regoingtodiscussandagreeonasharedunderstandingofwhata
giventriggershoulddo,thenyoudon'tstrictlyneedthetranceatalljustthe
agreementonwhatthetriggerconditionis,andwhattheoutcomeshould
be.
Wow,really?AndI'vebeentrancingthemallthistimeandtellingthemthe
triggersduringthetrance.Icanjusttellthem"Howdy,sweetie,thisisyour
newtrigger.Itmakesyoudothisandthisandthis.Now,{trigger}!"
??
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Wow,really?AndI'vebeentrancingthemallthistimeandtellingthemthe
triggersduringthetrance.Icanjusttellthem"Howdy,sweetie,thisisyour
newtrigger.Itmakesyoudothisandthisandthis.Now,{trigger}!"
TheTheonlythinghypnosisdoesisremovethenoiseandstuffthatcangetin
thewayofnewinformationandletsyougetclosertothesourcewithout
judgment.
Butthere'snoreasonbiologicallywhyitwouldn'twork.Myownerhasalot
ofworkinme,butthere'stonsofstuffhecantellmefullyconsciousand"in
control"butstillsoconditionedthatitworksjustaswell.
Andthatcanbeprettyhot.:)
Rememberattheendoftheday,there'sonlyonemindreally.
Myownerhasalotofworkinme,butthere'stonsofstuffhecantellmefully
consciousand"incontrol"butstillsoconditionedthatitworksjustaswell.
Ahh.See,that'swhatkindathought.Moretime,Ithink,isneeded.Ihaveyet
touseanytriggersoutsideof:
1.inducingatranceinthefirstplace
2.deepeningthetranceoncethere.
Ihaveyettoseeanythingreallyoutsideofthesessionsthatappears,tome,
tobearesultofhypnosis.Imean,theywerealreadysubmissive.Sotheir
obeyingmywhimsisn'texactlyasignofmyhypnotistskills.
M.E.
NaughtHypnotist
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Triggers,Tists,andTees....ohmy.Whatyouaretalkingaboutarenot
"triggers",butposthypnoticsuggestions,"triggered"bythestimulusofyour
choice.Spendmoretimeandattentiononcharacter/Partdevelopmentof
theSexSlave/Bimbo,reinforcingtheirrolesandbehaviors,soit'swiredinto
theneurology.Then,asimpletriggerwillcausethementalshift.Post
hypnoticsuggestions/"triggers"aremoreaboutwhentoinstallthem,instead
ofwhat,thoughframingisimportant,ifyouwantthemto"stick".
@hypnaughtytist
Iknowit'sPHS.TriggersaremoreaggressivesoundingandIguessIliketobe
aggressive.haha
CharacterRoledevelopment...ButshouldIgivelotsofdetailsaboutmyexact
fantasyorbepleasantlysurprisedwhentheirperceptionsofsuchwordsfillin
theblank?Icouldseeadrawbacktothisif"sexobsessedbimbo"madethem
intoajerk.Ornotlikely?
Gosh,thefunstuffseemssofaraway...Theybarelymoveduringhypnosisas
ofrightnowandIwanttodostuffwithlotsofvigorousmovement.
M.E.
NaughtHypnotist
<<...shouldIgivelotsofdetailsaboutmyexactfantasyorbepleasantly
surprisedwhentheirperceptionsofsuchwordsfillintheblank?>>
Hypnosisisaboutengagingthesubconsciousmind,wherecreativityand
imaginationreside.Createthespace,letyoursubjectcreate.Youcanadd
yourownframesforthedynamicyoudesire.
Asfarassluggishhypnoticsubjects,keepitinteractive...talkwiththem.If
theyremainlethargic,tellthemtocomeupjustenoughtobeabletotalk,
move,whateveryouwant.Afterabitoffractionation,youcaneventuallyget
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tothepointwhereyoutellthemtoopentheireyes,remaininginhypnosis,
andthen....gettosomefunstuff!
NaughtHypnotist
Letmeclarifymysomewhatambiguousstatement:
YOUcreatethespace...allowyoursubjecttocreate/developthe
character/partofsexslave/bimbo....seewhat'sinthere.
Asfarassluggishhypnoticsubjects,keepitinteractive...talkwiththem.If
theyremainlethargic,tellthemtocomeupjustenoughtobeabletotalk,
move,whateveryouwant.
WhenIfirststartedout,Iaskedthemtomeasuretheirowntranceintrance.
TheywouldspeakanumberIprovidedaframeofreferencefor.ButthenI
decidedthisdistractedthemfromfullimmersionsoIditchedit.After
ditchingthenumbermeasuretest,theyseemedtogodeeper.Andalso
seemedtolosetheabilitytospeakwithoutconsiderableencouragement.
Butwithyoursuggestion,Iwillencouragemoreheavilythatspeakingand
interactingisnotdistractingandgivethemmoreinteractivehallucinogenic
suggestions.
M.E.
warlord_mitwarlord_mit
Phoray,itsoundslikefun!:)
NaughtHypnotist
<<WhenIfirststartedout,Iaskedthemtomeasuretheirowntrancein
trance.>>
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Doingthisrequiresametaposition...ineffect,breakingorweakeningthe
trancestate.Ifthesubjectisaskedtoreportonhisleveloftrance,ashe
guideshimselfdeeper,asinanElmantechnique,itisaformoffractionation,
andisquiteeffective.Languagereportsontheperson'scurrent
representations,andistwostepsremovedfromreality.Itisthehypnotist's
jobtoinfluencethoserepresentations.
Ihaveametatriggerwhichworkslike"SimonSays."Itallowsmetogive
suggestionstothesubject,includingtheinstallationofnewtriggers,without
puttingthembackintoafulltrance.(Itgoeswithoutsayingthattriggeris
keyedtomeandlocked/restrictedninewaysfromSunday.)
Now.obviouslysomeschoolsofthoughtbelievethatwhenapersonexecutes
aposthypnoticsuggestion,theyarereenteringtranceandfollowingthe
suggestion.AbsentalotoffoolingaroundwithMRImachines,weprobably
won'tknowifthat'strueornotfortheforeseeablefuture,andinpractical
terms,itdoesn'tmatter.It'spossibletoactonsuggestionsinwhatisforall
intentsandpurposesa"conscious"state,andeventoacceptnew
suggestionswhicharetriggeredbypreviouslyunknowntriggereventsinsuch
astate.Theleveloftrance/suggestibility/focuswhichisrequiredtodothis
willvarytremendouslybysubjectandindividualcircumstance(I'dnever
attempttosetupafull,unlimited"SimonSays"triggeronasubjectIhadn't
workedwithextensively)butitcananddoeswork.
Onceyouhaveestablishedrapport,especiallyifthesubjectisstillsuggestible
afterhavingrecentlyemergedfromatrance,directorevenimplied
suggestionscanandwillbefollowed.(Thisiswhere"erotichypnosis"and
"eroticmindcontrol"kindastarttoblurtogether.Inaword:Yum.)
Example:Subjectisrecentlyemergedfromtrance,fullyconsciousand
interactive,specificallyhavingbeentoldtoawaken.Itaketheirhand,pressit
totheirleg,andjustsay,"Stuck."Theywillusuallyfind(ithasn'tfailedonme
yetbutitcouldcertainlyhappen)thattheywillnotbeabletoremovetheir
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hand.Atmost,theymightbeabletopullitupabit,asifitwereattached
withrubbercement,anditwillsnapbackwhentheystoppulling.
Bytheway,alotofthisiswellknowntopeoplewhodostageandstreet
hypnosis:it'snotreallysecretorarcane.Itjusthastodowithhowhypnosis
andsuggestibilityingeneralwork.
Whataboutthesimplistic"onascaleofonetoten,youcaneasilytellme
whenIsaythewordLEVELwhereyourmindfeelsitisinhypnosis.Youwon't
havetothinkaboutit,youwon'thavetodoanything,thewordwillsimply
cometoyouandyouwillfineyourselfspeaking.Andasyouheartheword,
youwillbeabletohearhowhypnotizedyouareandhowwonderfulthat
feels.Theveryactofspeakinginresponsewillhelpyourelaxandgodeeper
thanbefore.SogoaheadandgivemeyourLEVELnow."
Immediatelyreinforcingthemorerelaxed/pleasureable/deeperexperience
afterandgoingintoyourpreferreddeepeningtechniques,blahblah.
Almostpostedinthewrongthread:/
ThisiswhatIwasusingbeforeI"ditched"them.
Everytime,Imentionthatlaughter,speaking,moaning,andmurmuringare
allsuchsoundstheycanemotethataretotallynormalandwouldcausethem
torelaxevenmoreandnotregisterasadisturbanceatall.
C.,Iwantyoutotellmeanumber.Letmetellyouaboutthenumbers.The
numberonerepresentsbeingcompletelyawakeandaware.Andten
representsbeingverydeeplyrelaxedandabletoimagineeverythingI've
describedwithapleasantfeelingpervadingyourbeing.Canyoutellmea
numberbetweenoneandtenthatdescribeswhatyou'refeelingrightnow?
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"C."hasneverdescribedmorethana'5'ourofthreesessions.
"M"describeda'7'throughtwosessionsandwiththethirdsession,whereI
toldhimnottobotherwithnumbers,...andthenhekepttrackanyway...he
reachedlikea7.8
Butfromposttalksessionswith"C."Ilearnedthattalkinghaslightenedthe
tranceforhim.Afterabazilliondiscussionsaboutnumberlevelsoftrance
andtwodescriptionsduringtranceofthenumbers,hedoesn'tcatchonin
thelatterhalfofsessiontwowhenIsimplyask,"C,you'redoingwonderfully.
Canyoutellmewhatnumberyou'reatnow?"andconfusionensuesonhis
partwithfrownsandall.
So,Idecidedmakingthemtalkaboutnumbersoftrancemakesthempaytoo
closeattentiontowhat'shappeningandforsessionsthreeforeachofthem,I
toldthemaswewerestartingthattheyweren'ttobotherkeepingtrack.
Yoursuggestionsareusingslightlydifferentwordingbuttheyseemaboutthe
sameintentwiseandbothofthemarequiteintelligent.So,IguessIcan
reintroducetheideawithdifferentwordingbutImayendupdiscardingthem
againifthisiswhattheirreactionsare.
M.E.
Seethat'swhythemastersinthisaresoheavyinthe"craftingagood
suggestioniswherestuffgetshard"andaresoreluctanttosharewhattheirs
are.
Wordscount,everyword,especiallytosomeoneliteraloranalytical.
Firstly"can"isaveryspecificwordwhichdenotesabilityonly.Itdoesn'thave
anythingtodowithdesireanddoesn'thaveanythingtodowithyoubeingin
control."Canyou...?"isagoodquestiontoknowifyouneedtobringthemto
beabletowalkifyouwantthemtowalk,etc.,etc.
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ButIbeenfrustratedandfrustratedplentyofhypnotistswhentheyaskedifI
COULDdosomethingandthendidn'tdoit.SureICANtalk,butrightnowit
feelsbettertojustspaceoutthankyouverymuch.
Soifyouwanttoestablishcontrolandcauseareaction,throwaway"can.".
Bonusyouhaveaneasyexcusetocreateapleasurebondwithobedience
andwhateveryouwantthemtodo.
Continuing,ifImay,youoverexplainthesystem.Narrowitto1020words
max.Simplethingsarehardtocreate,butalmostmagical.
Remember,whatevernumbertheygiveyouisgreat.Whatevertheyareatis
exactlyperfectandjustwheretheyneedtobetogodeeper.
AndIwouldn'trepeatisexceptasacomparisonimmediatelyafterthe
deepenerafterthefirstguage.Asyou'veseen,theconnectionisn'tgoodand
tomehonestlyitwouldwhiffoflackofconfidenceandraisemyself
consciousnesslevelsuncomfortably.
Giventhepatternsemerginginyourpostswithdiscountingwordspecifics
andcreatingIincontinuities,ImaybereluctanttocontinuemyadviceuntilI
seesomebetterskillsandunderstandingoftheprocess.
Giventhepatternsemerginginyourpostswithdiscountingwordspecifics
andcreatingIincontinuities,ImaybereluctanttocontinuemyadviceuntilI
seesomebetterskillsandunderstandingoftheprocess.
Huh.That'sanoddroutetotake.Youareconcernedforthesafetyofmy
hypnoticsubjectsbutbecauseI'mnottakingeverywordyousaydownas
absolutelycorrectandrightI'mnotworthhelping...Sothebettersituationis
toletmeflounderaroundandmakemistakesuntilallpotentialfunisjusta
difficultmess?
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TherearethingsIwanttodo,likeinmyOP,thatIhaven'tcomeanywhere
nearbecauseIknowmyskillsarelacking.Allmysessionshavebeenabout
relaxation,sensualsensationsthatfeelgood,andinstallingabasictriggerto
getthemintotrancemoreeasilyandmoredeeply.I'mnotmakingany
personasuggestions,behavioralmodificationsofanysort,anddoabsolutely
discussmyplanswithmysubjects(althoughtorefertotwomenIabsolutely
loveandadoreas"subjects"seemsanunderstatement.)l.Iponder
sometimesifItellthemtoomuch,butIlikeclarityandconsentissomethingI
absolutelywanttobeclearon.
ThereistheonepotentialmistakeImadebyexaggeratingareactiononceto
myboyfriend.And,crazilyenoughforsomeonelackingskillsand
understandingIturnedtomycommunityforadviceaboutthepotential
pitfallsofthatmethodratherthancontinuingonwillynillyonmyownhalf
bakedideas.And,despiteallmylackofunderstandingIseemedtoacceptthe
adviceofstayingonthesafesideandnotgoingthatroute.
Idon'thavetobealicencedhypnotherapisttodothiswithmypartners.75%
oftheadviceIreceiveisthatIcomplicateittoomuchandthatit's
ridiculouslysimple,andtheother25%isthatIshouldn'tmuckingaboutin
otherpeople'simaginationsuntilIgetsomedegreeequivalentamountof
educationonthematter.PardonmewhileIleantowardsthosewhoadvise
theformerwhilemostlymaintainingastandpointmoretowardsthemiddle.
Inconclusion,Iamreadingallreplies,Iamcarefullyweighingthemagainst
thelittleexperiencethatI'vehadandallthewordsI'vereadonhereandin
booksandotherwebsites,andIammakingthebesteducateddecisionsIcan
make.
Thankyouall,foransweringallthemanydiscussionthreadsI'vestartedandI
alsohaveappreciatedtheprivatemessagesI'vereceived.
M.E.
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AutumnNightshadeAutumnNightshade
MeasSlaveeverythingmyMasterdoesworksespeciallytriggersandother
suggestions.It'salsobecausethereistrustthere.
WillDissolverWillDissolver
OP,Iwouldalsonotethatparticularlyinthecaseofahighlyanalytical
subjectyoumaywanttotossthenotionofusingnumbersentirely.Yourun
theprettyhighriskofhavingnegativeresponsesfromattemptingtoquantify
thequalitative.
It'seasy,intrance,togowith"more""less""bigger""deeper"
...Comparatives.
"Areyouatan8ora10?"willlikelymakeanyanalyticalsubjectgetlostin
tryingtoanalysethesensationyou'redescribingtothem,tothepointthat
thevoluntarysuspensionofdisbeliefcomesapartandtheyeitherwake,or
startanalyzingeverythingelseyousay.
I'dsuggestthatinsteadyoufocusontryingtodistract,delay,andmisdirect
theiranalyticalfunctions,insteadofhavingthemdeliberatelyfocuson
analyzingsomethingyoureallywantthemtosimplyacceptfromthegetgo.
It'seasy,intrance,togowith"more""less""bigger"
"deeper"...Comparatives.
Thanks!Iwilldefinitelytrythat.Thanks.
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bytenebraxo
WhenIwasatthedoctor'stoday,ImentionedtohimthatIhavethevariety
ofinsomniathatinvolveswakingupinthedeepestdarkestportionsofthe
night...andbeingunabletogetbacktosleepagain.
HegavemesomesamplesofanewpillcalledIntermezzothataddressesthat
exactsleepproblem.
Beingagoodpatient,Ireadtheenclosedpamphlet,anddiscoveredthatit
hasthesamepossiblesideeffectAmbiendoes:Whenusedwithalcohol,it
cancausethesleepertoengageinsomeprettycomplex(andsometimes
scary)behaviors,likegoingforadrivewhileasleep,makingamealandeating
it,engaginginsexualactivity...andhavingnomemoryofituponawaking.
Okay,thatactuallysoundslikeitmightmakeforsomeveryfunbutedgyplay
("WhyamIwakingupinacageinastrangeplacewearingatornmaid's
outfit?").
Allthataside...thesomnambulisticstateinterestsme,asahypnotherapist
andanerotichypnosisdevotee.Supposeoneweretodeliberatelyinducethis
sleepwakingstate(withatrustedpartner,inasafespace,yaddayadda
yadda).Couldonehypnotizethesleepwalkermoreeasily?Lesseasily?Notat
all?Wouldanysuggestionsbemoreeffective?Less?
Obviously,theconsciousmindisbyandlargeshutdown,andactingout
impulsesinanunorganizedfashion.Thesubconsciousseemstobeonguard,
becauseIneverreallyhearaboutpeoplecomingtoactualharmwhile
sleepwalking.Butthatmechanismthatkeepsusparalyzedwhilewedream
seemstobepartiallydisengaged.
Whatchaallthink?
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Responses(7of7)
Ithinkthatsoundslikefun:)
KnowItAll
It'snotjustalcohol.Ambienshouldonlybetakenimmediatelybeforeyou
turnoutthelightsandlaydowntosleep.Manyoftheinstancesofproblems
withAmbienhavebeentracedtotakingitandstayingupreadingorwatching
TVaftertakingit.Mydoctorwarnedmeaboutthatandmadeitveryclear
thatthedangerswerethereandhowtopreventthem.
Astodealingwithsleepthroughhypnosis,thereareplentyofMP3soutthere
tobehad.Aninduction,followedbytakingyoudeeperandthenthe
suggestiontosimplygotosleepandthat'sit.Worksquitewell.Ihaveone
thathelpswithluciddreaming.Loveit.
tenebraxtenebrax
Thanks,@TheMadHatter_66
Idon'thaveanyAmbien,justtheIntermezzo.Differentdrug,differentusage.
Similarsideeffect,however.
So,thatclarified(Ihope),I'mnotlookingforahypnoticmethodofgettingto
sleep.Idon'twanttodiscusstheproperwaytousethesedrugs.
Thediscussionathandis:Willdeliberatelyinvokingthesomnambulismside
effectcommontoAmbienandIntermezzocreateastatewhereinhypnotic
suggestionsaremoreeasilyimplanted?Less?Atall?
Myhunchisthattheconsciousmindhasmoreorlessbeenremovedfrom
theequation,exceptasasetofmechanisticactionstogratifybasicurges.But
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thesubconsciousismoreorlessuntouchedandperformingit'snormal
watchdogduties.Whenwe'recreatingahypnotictrance,we'retryingto
engagewiththesubconsciousatfirsthand,withoutthemediationofthe
consciousmind.
Somyquestionis:Isthesleepwalkeralreadyinasortofhypnoticstate?If
they'renot,couldtheybeplacedinone?
Sorry,TheMadhatter_66.YouwereansweringquestionsthatIwasn'tasking,
I'mrestatingmytheoryinordertokeepthediscussionontopic.
tenebraxtenebrax
Atthebehestofafriend,Iwillstateitbeforeanyoneelsegetsto:
AmbienandIntermezzoaremoreorlessthesamechemical,justwith
differentdosageanddeliveryfordifferentapplications.
Thatsaid...backtothediscussionquestion.
KnowItAll
Ifyouhaveexperiencewithadrugitisabsolutelypossibletocauseyouto
feeltheeffectofthatdrugviahypnosis.It'salsopossibleifyouhavea
hypnotistthathasexperiencewithadrugtocauseyoutoexperiencethe
effectsofthedrug.However,IcannotseehowthatwouldworkwithAmbien,
Intermezo,etc.becauseyoutypicallyjustgooutlikealight,(notethatIsaid
typically).
Doweknowthattheyareorarenotinsuchastate?No,butwecanassume
theymaybe,sincetheyareactingverymuchlikesomeonewhohasbeen
takenintoadeepenoughtranceandgiveninstructionstoactnormally,
returnlatertobedandforgeteverythingtheydidwhilenotinbed.Then
again,whenweassumeitcomesfromnothavingenoughdataandthus
makeswhatwemaybelievetobetotallywrong.
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Iwouldpositthatwecouldtakesomeone,whoiswilling,andhavethemtake
eitherdrugundertheconditionsthatareknowntocreatethesituationand
thenattempttoimplantsuggestions.Asituationthatmakesmyprevious
comment(firstportion)totallywithinthecontextofyourquery.Ifyouknow
whatcreatestheconditionsyoucanmoreeasilycauseittohappenon
purpose.Justkeepinmindthatitwouldbehighlyunethical,possibly
dangerous,andcouldleadtolegalproblemstoengageintheabove
situation/settingtofindout.
Therearedangersinvolved(inherently)withsleepwalking.
Somepeoplearesurethatyoucanimplantsuggestionstoasleepingperson;
othersdenythisthinking.Ithinkithasalottodowithwhereintheperson's
sleepyouattempttomakethesuggestions.HitthemrightafteraREMsleep
cycleandyoumaybeableto,butIverymuchdoubtitwouldworkwhilethey
areinREM.
Oh,andwhenwe'reworkingwithsomeonetoimplanttriggers/anchorsand
suggestions,wehavealreadybypassedthecriticalmindanditsprotections.
Thereisnotrying.Eitheryou'vedoneitoryouhaven't.Youonlyfindout
whenyoutrytotriggerthesuggestions/anchors.Usually,you'llknowright
awaywhentheytellyoutofuckthehelloff,honestly.LOL
Therearesomeideasabouthypnosisfromsleepstatesthatmightrelateto
this.ItismentionedintheElman'sbook.Itmakessomesenseanditmight
theoreticallybeachievedbyfirstinducingsomnambulism,thanuseitto
inducesleepatwillthanusethesleepstatetoinducethenewhypnoticstate
(doneonsomeofKein'svideoinstructions).
Howeverhowdifferentitreallyisfromusualsomnambulismtotheextentof
speculatingacompletelynewanddifferentstateofhypnosisandhowmuch
canitreallybypasstheusualsafetymechanismsandbeusedtoimplant
undesireddirectsuggestionsIhaveafewseriousdoubtsabout.
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AutumnNightshadeAutumnNightshade
IhadproblemonAmbienIwouldgetoutofbedwalkaround,clean,drivemy
car,takebathanynumberofthings.Sexwasfenominalonit;)Thebathwas
dumbestthingIeverdonebesidedrive.Ihadceramictubwhichaddedbath
oilswellwindwasn'tthere;Iaddedwaytomuch.SoIdecidedstraddlethe
tubafterIsteppedinit.OnefootoneachsidewellIslippedhitmyhead,
bruisedmybacklegsdon'tevenrememberit.Ididnextday....Neverdidthat
again.TheotherthingwaswakedreamingwhereIwasinafightinmydream
withswordsoIguessIpickedupmakeshiftoneIhadswungitaround.That
AmbienjustactivatedtheproblemIalreadyhadamplifiedit.Idreambutact
themoutinlife.Don'twakebutimitatewhat'sinmydreamslikesleep
walkingbutIdon'tgetoutofbed.
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InfatuationandWithdrawl
bybubblepopmeio
I'msurprisedbythewayIhavebeenreactingtoahypnotist.Ihavelotsof
experienceasasubject,butverylittleexperiencebeingsosweptupin
someone'spersonality.
Thiswasalmostentirelyonline,bytextandbyvoice.Imetsomeonein
hypnosischannelsonirc.Iwashavingcybersexwithafriendthereas
entertainmentforthepublicchannel.Thenthispersoncameinandbeganto
pipeinwithencouragement.Itwaswonderfultogettheattentionofa
dominantpersonalitybutalsotobevalidated,tobepraisedforthecreative
effort.ShedroppedbothmyfriendandIintotranceinthemainircroom.
Aboutanhourlater,weawoke.Myfriendwentofflineforthenight,andI
retiredtoprivatemessageswiththehypnotist.
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EighthourslaterIwenttobed.Ihadfallenprettyhardforherrightaway.
Thissurprisedme,assheisawoman,butoverthecourseofthenexttwo
weeks,averaging12hoursadayafterworkandwithoutenoughsleep,we
wouldfindourselvesinavideochat,andIwouldslipintoherspell.Iended
upnumeroustimesnakedonmykneeschantingandstaringupatthe
webcamreflectionofmyself.
AtworkIwoulddoodlehernameinmynotebook.Ibeganwritingcaptions
andsexstoriesagain.Ifeltcreativelyenergizedbythedominantattention.I
alsofeltaprofoundshiftinmydesires,andanewappreciationforhow
submissiveIamawakened.Alotofpositivityandsex!Isoverymuchwished
shelivednearme.Unfortunately,notso.
Shetoldmethatsheneededtogo.Shehadsomepersonalthingstoworkon.
Icompletelyunderstand,butofcourseIwassadtoseehergo.Shesaidshe
wouldbeback.Shedidcomebackafterafewweeks.Shewasverypositive.
Twodayslatershewasgoneagain.ThatwasIguessamonthago.I'mnot
entirelysure.
Ifeelsortofridiculous,missingsomeoneIonlyknewonline,andbriefly.I'm
alwayshopingshewillbetherewhenIturnmygoogletalkon.WhenIgeta
pangofwhatfeelslikewithdrawlIhoponirctonoavail.
Haveyouexperiencedthesesortsoffeelings?Isthisabyproductoftime
undertheinfluenceofahypnotist?
Responses(10of10)
PsychoactivePsychoactive
Twomajorpointscometomindwhenreadingthis,andhopefullyIcanoffer
evenalittlecomfort.
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1)Youfellhardandfast,whichisfairlycommonwhendealingwithsuch
intenseemotions.Hypnosisallowsonetobendthenormalconventions;8
hourscanfeellikeyears,attractioncanfeellikeyour"onetwuelove",and
inhibitionsaretotallydropped.
2)It'spossiblethehypnotistwasfreakedoutathowfastyoubecame
emotionallyattached.Perhapsherfeelingsaredifferentandsheishaving
difficultyvoicingit.Therecouldbesomanydifferentreasonsforhersudden
vanishingact.
TheonepieceofencouragementIcangiveyouistostudywhatpositivescan
belearnedfromthis.Haveyoulearnedanyselfhypnosis?Ifnotitisprobably
goingtobeextremelyeasytopickupifyoulookintoit.Doso,andlearnto
improveyourselfinwaypossible.Youcoulduseittomakeyourselffocuson
thepositivesideinsteadofmissingher.Youcoulduseittoremoveyourown
limitationsandgetouttherefindingyourselfanothermistressandstarting
overwhenyouareready.
HypnoWrenchHypnoWrench
Infatuationcanhappenwithanynewrelationship.New=exciting!Itis
thrillingtoexploretheunknownandtolearnnewthingsaboutthatperson.
Ibelieveifhypnosisisaddedontopofinfatuation,thenthingsaretakentoa
wholenewlevel.
Generally,wekeeppeopleatadistance,inourdailylives.Theskilled
hypnotist,however,isabletotakeawaymanylayersoftheouterveilandsee
ourinnerselves.Wemightfeelacceptedandevenloved,cherished.
I'mnotsurewhyithappens,butIknowwhatyoumeanwhenthehypnotist
hastoleaveandyousuddenlyfeelsad.Inotonlystarttofeelsad,but
insecureandlonely.Iftheyareinmymind,thenit'sasiftheyareapieceof
mymind,sowhentheyleave,italmostfeelslikeapartofmyselfhasbeen
removed,whentheyneedtoleave.Itcanbecomeespeciallydangerousifyou
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aretoying(orbeingtoyed?)withahypnotistwhoisencouragingyouto
becomeaddictedtohypnosis,addictedtohim.
Asencouragement,though,Icantellyouthathypnotistsexistwholeaveyou
feelinghappy,notlackingandsad.Ifyoucontinueyoursearchforthem,and
donotloweryourstandards,youwillfindthem.
AndI'lladdthis,justforfun:Ifwomenchoosetoonlybecomesexually
involvedwithmenwhoactwithintegrity,honesty,gentleness,kindnessand
loveforallcreatures,whilerefusingtohavesexwithanyonewhofightsin
wars,therewouldbearevolutionovernight.
Thatiswhattheyinventedthewordinfatuationfor.Hypnosismightbeyour
particular"in"butisn'tspecifictotheexperience.
teamfluffy
Itcanbe,yes.
Ifigureinfatuationislargelyaboutfeelingsthataremostlyoutsideconscious
awareness.Andthatswherehypnosislies,soyes,it'sentirelypossible.
Ifindmyselfgettingabitturnedonduringclassichypnosisclasses.These
peoplearen'tevenflirting,aretryingtobeprofessional,andyet,well...So
yeah,itcanevenhappenfromplainhypnosis.
It'salsoentirelypossiblethatsomeofthisistheresultofsuggestionsthat
sheoffered.
Itcouldalsobetraditionaltransference,whichbasicallyjustmeansthat
doingunfamiliarintimatethingscaneasilyleadtoassociatedfeelingsof
intimacy.It'swellknownintraditionaltherapyandalsofairlycommonfor
doctors,police,firefighters,evendentalhygienists.
realplayguyrealplayguy
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Probablyaresultofourbrainsbeingwiredwith"risk,impulseanddanger
andexcitement"allbeingonthesamecircuit.Mightwanttochange
hypnotists.
Ifsomeonetrancesyouonlineafew(dozen)timesandthendisappears,
thereareseveralpossibleexplanations:
Mostlikelyinmyopinionisthattheywereneverasseriousaboutitasyou
were,andwhentheirlifechanged,theymovedonanddidn'tlookbackI've
knownpeoplewhowillbepassionatelyintotheirlatestthingforacoupleof
weeks,maybeamonth,then,assuddenlyastheystarted,loseinterestand
moveontothenextthing,oftensomethingwherethey'reextremelyunlikely
torunintoanyonefromthepreviousactivity.Withtheinternet,it'seven
easierforthemcreateathrowawayidentity,inhabititobsessivelyfora
while,andthenabandonit,focusingonthingsofflineforawhile,thencome
backtoanewidentityandenthusiasminadifferentpartoftheinternet...
Thentherearepeoplewhohavethingsgoingonintheirofflinelivesthat
meantheylacktime,energyoropportunitytohavekinkyonlinerelationships
anewjob,anewrelationship,thepeopleyoulivewithchanging,orcoming
backfromatimeawaytheycanallmakeithard(orunappealing)to
continueanonlinerelationship.
Onethatdoesn'tapplyhereisthesuddenlossofinternetyourmodem
melts,yourPCcatchesfire,oroneofthethousandsofconnectionsonthe
motherboardcomesloose,andsuddenlyyouraccessdropsfromwhenever
youwanttowhateveryoucancadgeoffotherpeople,stealfromyour
workinghours,buyatacybercafeorpubliclibrary,orotherwisescrape
together.
Andthenthere'stheonethatalotofpeopleoverestimatetheonewhere
youdidsomethingwrong,drovethemawayandruinedyourlifeforever.The
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sobertruthisthat,whileitcansometimeshappen,mostofthetime
whatevercausesthemtodisappearissomethinggoingonintheirofflinelife,
andnottodowithanythingyoucouldhavechangedorcontrolled.
Asothershavesaid,thissortofinfatuation,andthewithdrawalafterwards,is
neitherunusual,noruniquetohypnosisanyoneyouspendthatsortoftime
withpurelyforthejoyoftheircompany,you'llbehithardbytheir
disappearance,andthemoreintenseandintimatetheactivitiesduringyour
timetogether,thestrongerthateffectwillbeerotichypnosisisboth
intenseandintimate,soit'sonlynaturaltofeelthebereavementstrongly
whenitends...
DV8BlissDV8Bliss
Itsabyproductofbondingwithaperson.Hypnotistsdorequirealotoftrust
andopeningtothem.Youhavetobeprettyinfatuatedwiththem,Iwould
guess,toopenyourselfinanintimatefashiontothem.Atleast,thatiswhat
happenstome.Maybethere'ssomebiologicalsirncetoitlikeoxytocin
productioninourbodiesandthingsI'drathernotelaboratetoomuchondue
tothefactIamnotabiologist.
TtotheCTtotheC
"Probablyaresultofourbrainsbeingwiredwith"risk,impulseanddanger
andexcitement"allbeingonthesamecircuit.Mightwanttochange
hypnotists."
Thatandwefindpleasurerathermoreish.Thestudydoneontherats,
wheretheystimulatedthepleasurecentreoftheratsbrain,showedtherats
wouldchoosethepleasurehitovertheirownwellbeing.Hypnosiscanhavea
similareffectwherebyapersonwillchasethehypnosisovertheknowledge
thatitcanreallyscrewwiththesubconscious.Personally,I'mwaryofgetting
involvedwithothersonahypnoticbasisbecausetheitchcangetquitebad,
whichcanleavemetovulnerable.I'mintelligentandIknowtherisks,butthe
feelingoftrancingiskindofontheniceside.
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FrauleinFuksalotFrauleinFuksalot
Iseeitthisway...feelluckythattherewassomeonetheretotouchyour
mind.
It'sfewandfarbetweenthatpeopleareinterestedinsuchletalonecapable
ofsuch.
Veryfewthingsarestableandreliable,soyoujusthavetogowiththeflow.
Sokeepyourselfincheck,especiallywithonlineinteractionscausepeople
neverarewhotheyseemtobeonline(inmyopinion).
Butifyouareawareofsuch,takeinthegoodtimeswiththebadaslongas
thedontgettoounbalanced.
Andtoansweryourquestion,noyouarenotalone.WhenIknowwhatIwant
andknowit'soutthereit'ssometimeshardtofocuselsewell.Butthat's
againwhenbalanceplaysthemainpartinkeepingthingshealthy.Goodluck
inyoursearch.:)
bubblepopmeibubblepopmei
Thankstoallofyouforinsightfulmessagesandsharingyourexperiences.She
camebackandtheBlisshitmehard.I'mbackoncloudnineanditfeelslike
myattractionandadorationhasincreasedexponentially.I'llhopeshedoesn't
goagainbutifsoIbelieveyourguidancehasimprovedmycopingability.
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WatchyourTone
byMrDangerover1yearago
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Howmuchdifferencedoesthetoneofyourvoicemakeinmakinga
suggestion"stick"??
Isaskingbetterthantelling....oristellingbetterthanasking?
Whatisa'command'??
HowdoYOUusethetoneinyourvoicetoenhancetheeffectivenessofyour
suggestionstoyourclientsorsubjects?
Responses(14of14)
Hypnodom1Hypnodom1
Aotdependsontheperson.Asonehypnotistputsit,aretheyanemotional
oraphysicaltypeperson.Onedoesbetterwithcommandsandtheother
withsuggestionsoraskingthemtodo.......
Ihavea"hypnotistvoice"apatternofinflectionandphrasingthatmylong
termhypnoteesrecognise,allowingmetojustsaysomethingtothemthat
wayandhaveitbeapowerfulhypnoticcommand:)
MrDangerMrDanger
Ihavefounditbetter(specifically)toaskforcompliancefromthe
subconscious(Imeanwhendealingwitharootissue"Subconsciousareyou
willingtobringthatfeelingforwardandhelpher?")andgivecommandsfora
proofor'trick'("YourfingersARESTUCK!!)
HypnoticNow
Icouldn'tsayhowmuchbetter,orifbetter,tosticktoaparticularpatter.Ido
somoretomakeamoredefinedbeginning/endofsession,ortoteasethatI
willbeplaying,ratherthanitbeingbecause"Itsticksbetter."There'vebeen
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severaltimesI'veputinawakingsuggestionwithmynormal,conversational
voiceandpatterwithoutproblem.
Whatmattersmoreiscongruence.Doeswhatyou'resaying,howyou're
sayingit,whatyou'redoing,andhowyou'redoingitmatchwhatthesubject
shouldexperience?Forexample,you'resuggestingthingsaboutsexual
pleasuregettinghot,heavy,passionate,pushinghard,etc....haveavoicethat
soundslikethat'swhat'shappening,getintoit,talkfaster,buildupwithyour
voice.Ifthey'resupposedtoberelaxing,yourvoiceshouldberelaxing,and
talkingamileaminutewithshort,heavybreathingprobablywon'thelpin
relaxation.Evenwiththoseexamples,youCOULDhaveavoicethatdoesn't
matchwhatyou'regoingforanditCOULDwork.....butit'llworkBETTERif
everythinggoestogetherandmakesaCOMPLETEexperience.
YourvoiceisPARToftheexperience.Makeyourvoicefitintotheexperience
you'reintendingforthem,andit'llhelpincompletingtheexperience.
Thinkaboutsomething:nexttimeyou'rewatchingaTVshoworamovieor
thelike.Unlessyoureallylistenforit,generallyyouwon'tnoticesubtle
auditorythingsunlessitfeelsoff.Example,it'sascifishowandsettingisa
runningspaceshipwithlightsandsleekdesign,etc.Ifit'sentirelyand
completelysilentexceptforpeopletalking,youmightnoticesomethingfeels
offbutMAYBEnotknowwhy.Meanwhile,youhearlittlebleepsandbloops
very,veryquietlyinthebackgroundwiththoseblinkinglightsandthelike,
andyouwouldnotreallythinkanythingwasoff,itfits,anditfitswell.And
then,ifitwastooloud,you'dcomplainbecause,well,it'smessingwithyour
experienceinwatchingtheshow.Mostpeople,unlessthey'relookingforit
(orareaudiophiles),don'tnoticewhensoundmatchesandfillsoutthe
experienceperfectly.Doesn'tmeanyoushouldn'ttrytofilloutthe
experienceperfectly.
MrDangerMrDanger
AmHypnotic
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Soundslikeyou'retalkingaboutcongruencyinexpectationaswell.
IfI'veputmyselfasthe'authority'figurethenspeakingwithauthority
matchestheexpectation.
NaughtHypnotist
<<Isaskingbetterthantelling....oristellingbetterthanasking?>>
Iassumeyoumean"tone",asanattitudetowardsyoursubject,inthewayof
beingauthoritativeorpermissive,asthetermsarethrownaroundinhypno
circles.
Insteadofeither/or,Iwouldsayit'sbettertotell,whileyou'reaskingoreven
ask,whileyou'retelling.Separateanembeddedcommand,fromthe
surroundingfluffanditwillevenraisemyeyebrows,sometimes.
Makingasuggestion"stick"goesbeyond"tone",thoughitisanimportant
component.What'smoreimportantthanhow,iswhen.
MrDangerMrDanger
@Hypnaughtyist
Makingasuggestion"stick"goesbeyond"tone",thoughitisanimportant
component.What'smoreimportantthanhow,iswhen.
Canyougivesomeexamples?
MindBinderMindBinder
Hereareafewthoughtsregardingstyle,tone,pitch,inflection.Alotofit
dependsonthesubject.InatherapeuticsituationIusuallystartwitha
passivetypeofguiding(e.g."perhapsyoucannoticesomethinghappening").
Asthesessionprogressesandthesubjectisbetteratfollowingmyvoice,my
wordswillturnmoredirective.
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Thetone,pitch,inflectionInormallyuseisonetograbandfocustheir
attention.Thiswillhaveacertainamountofgravitas,spacesbetweenwords,
etc....butinthefriendliestwaypossible.
Ihavedevelopeda"hypnosis"voicewhichisjustslightlylowerandslower
thannormalspeech.Thisisatriggertosubjectsthathaveworkedwithme
beforetoeasilydropintotrancewhentheirunconscioushearsthisvoice.
EspeciallyifIhaveworkedwiththemforanumberofsessions,ithelps
differentiatebetweenconversationandtrancetime.
MasterShackMasterShack
Idon'tfindtoneofvoicethatcriticalbutproperphrasingisveryimportant.
WhenIgivesuggestionsfortherapyIuseeitherpermissive(youmay)or
directive(youwill)phrasing.WhengivingsuggestionsforerotichypnosisI
usuallyusedirectivestyles.
MrDangerMrDanger
Ithinktoneandphrasingautomaticallyaccompanyeachother..no?
Hardtobedirectivewithapermissivetone...oramIreadingthatwrong?
NaughtHypnotist
Me:<<Makingasuggestion"stick"goesbeyond"tone",thoughitisan
importantcomponent.What'smoreimportantthanhow,iswhen.>>
MrDanger:<<Canyougivesomeexamples?>>
Oneexampleof"when",insteadof"how"(tonality)wouldbeafterpacing,
thenleading.Soyou'dpace,pace,pace,thenlead.Alsocalleda"yesset".In
tvcommercials,theyuseStatement,Statement,Statement,Declaration,like
this:
Youworkhard.
Youplayhard.
Yourclothesgetdirty.
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Tidegetsyourclothescleanestandbrightest.
phantaseephantasee
Formetonemostdefinitelymattersbutitsnoteventhesamekindoftone
thatIrespondtoanditvariesbetweenhypnotistsandtheirstyles.
Forexample,Ihaveonehypnotistwhosehypnoticvoiceissoft,notmuch
morethanawhisperandassoonasIhearit,starttotranceandbecome
mindlessandsubmissive,eagertobehisgoodlittleplaythingsoendup
doingwhateverthehellhewants,justtopleasehimandmakehimhappy.
Andpleasinghimandbeingagoodtoymakesmehappyandisaverybig
turnonforme.
ThenIhaveanotherhypnotistwhoingeneralconversationcomesacrossall
kindandgentleandunassumingandIfeellikeImonthesamelevelashimin
thepowerranks,butthenwhenitcomestimeformetorespondto
suggestions,shocksmewithsuchsternnessandauthoritythatIgoHolyshit!
Heaintmuckingaround!Hemeansbusiness!Fuck,Idbetterobeyandobey
fastcoshesnotgonnaputupwithanyofmycrapanymore.Andhimbeing
sostrictandsternmakesmefeelallcontriteandsubmissive,likeanaughty,
misbehavingschoolgirlwithhimthepowerful,authoritativeheadmaster.
Andrelinquishingcontroltohimlikethatisalsoaverybigturnon!
So,twopersonalexamplesoftonebeingusedinprettymuchtheopposite
wayyetstillhavingthesameoutcomeofmakingmefeelsubmissiveand
ultimatelyrespondingtothesuggestion.
Isaskingbetterthantelling....oristellingbetterthanasking
Itdependsonthesubject,ontherelationshipbetweenhypnotistandsubject
andtheirparticularD/sdynamic.
I'mnotnaturallyasubmissiveperson(that'swhyfeelingsubmissivein
hypnosisissuchathrill),soingeneralresentbeingtoldwhattodo
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(especiallywithsomeonenewwhoIhaventyetdevelopedabondor
relationshipwith)andifIhearthemgivingordersandcommands,willmost
likelygetmybackupandbecomedefensiveandresistant.
InmyexperienceIvefoundmosthypnotistssuggestoraskratherthan
tellandIthinkuntilyouhaveestablishedaconnectionwithsomeone,
probablythesafestthingtodo.Afterafewrepeatsessionsthough,onceyou
haveworkedoutthetypeofpersonthesubjectisanddependingontheir
personalityandhownaturallysubmissivetheyare,tellingmaybemore
effectivethanasking.
Inmyfirstexample,thehypnotistnevertellsmetodoanything.Hewill
suggestormerelyaskspolitelyandasIwanttopleasehimandbegood,
canneverrefuse.
Inmysecondexamplethehypnotistmostdefinitelytells.Heactually
commandsbutbecauseIhaverelinquishedcontrolandseehimasthe
authoritarian,Idefinitelydontmind.Itssortofscary,butatthesametime
excitingandhot!Idoashesaysbecausewellbecausehesays!
Soagain,twototallydifferentapproaches,bothultimatelywiththesame
outcomes.WhichdoIprefer?Ireallycan'tsay.Ilikethemboth.Theyare
bothaturnonandIcan'tsayoneismoreeffectivethantheotherasfaras
myresponsesgo.It'sjustthestyleoftheparticularhypnotistbutiftheywere
toswapstyles,iwouldn'tlikeit.
Forinstanceifthefirsthypnotistwastosuddenlystart"telling"mewhatto
doanddishingoutorders,Iwouldfeelsohurtandupsetandwonderwhat
thehellI'vedonewrong.Andifthesecondhypnotistsuddenlystarted
politely"asking",IwouldfeellikeIwasbackonparwithhiminthepower
ranksandbedisappointedthatthepowerful,authoritarianfigurehadgone.
MasterShackMasterShack
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@MrDanger:IhavebeentoldthatIhaveaverycalmingvoicethatmakes
peoplewanttocomply,soformetoneisnotmuchofanissue.Iam
permissiveordirectivedependingonthewordsIuseratherthanthetoneI
use.Infact,outsideofhypnosis,peopletellmethatthequietermyvoice
becomes,themoretheywanttocomply.(Althoughthosefolksmayjusthave
learnedaboutthequietbeforethestormandwanttoavoidbeingstruckby
lightening.LOL)
MrDangerMrDanger
Funny,I'veheardthatthemorecalmmyvoicegets,themorenervousImake
themlol
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BreakingthePlateau
byDErdrickover1yearago
SoatthispointI'vebeenexperimentingwithhypnosisusingfreefilesfora
yearnow.I'vestuckwithitbecauseIenjoythefeelingofrelaxationandthe
imageryusedbymanyofthehypnotistsI'vefound.Forafewmonthsnow
I'vefeltI'vefoundanicedeeptrancestate,butI'malsohavingtrouble
improvingmyskills.Inparticular:
Reachinganythingdeeperthanalighttrancerequiresalonginduction
Mybraincanstilloccasionallygetnoisyanddisturbmytrance
Environmentcanstilleasilydisturbmytrance
Suggestionsandtriggersdon'tseemtobetaking
Triggerstoreturntotrancedon'tseemtowork
I'vebegunlookingforahypnotisttohelpmefindadeeperstate,butinthe
meantimeI'mlookingforanyadvicetogodeeperandreturntotrancemore
easily.Ifithelpsdirectadviceatall,Ihaveanoisy,analyticalmindthatoften
getscuriousorskepticalaboutthings.Anyhelpwouldbegreatlyappreciated.
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Responses(7of7)
SquirrelPowerSquirrelPower
I'mfeelingsuperusefultonight.
Haveyouthoughtaboutcultivatingsilentmeditation?It'sfreeandthere's
lotsofbooksonitandyoucandoitbyyourself,allthewayoutthereinSD.It
helpswithhypnosisasthebrainwhilehypnotizedisvirtuallyidenticaltothe
braininmeditation.
Dosomeresearchonhypnosis;findoutthesciencebehindit.Findthe
reasonswhyyouwanttobeskepticalofhypnosis.Whyyouneedtoanalyze
everythingthehypnotistissaying.Whydoesyourconsciousbrainneedtobe
involvedatallinthisprocess?
Usethatanalyticalmindforgoodthings.Startatrancelog.Investigate
yourselfandlookforpatterns.Figureoutwhatpartsofrecordingsworkbest
foryou.Findoutwhattriggersdoworkwell,andwhichonesworkreallywell.
It'sthehypnotist'sjobtotailorsuggestionssothattheyfitseamlesslyinto
thebrainofthepersonwhoreceivesthem.
Forexample:someoneoncehypnotizedme(asajoke)tobethirstybut
unabletoopenmybottleofwater.Myresponsewas,oncefrustratedby
beingunabletoopenthebottle,togoandgetaglassandfillitwithtap
wateranddrinkit.Itwasn'teitherofour"fault"sthatthetriggerdidn'twork
accordingtoplan.Thenexttimehecouldincludeotherinstructionslikeme
beingunabletogetup,ortoreallyreallywantthatwaterinparticular,orto
onlybeabletoopenitafterreciting"IamthemodelofaModernMajor
General."Orall3.Experimentationand/orexperienceiskey.
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Figureoutwhatlanguageworksbestforyou;Icantellyou'reavisualperson
basedonyourwordchoice.Findhypnotistswhodescribewhatthingslook
like,thatmakeyouseetheminyourmind'seye.
MrNightmare
Ithinkthefirstthingtorealizeisbeing'disturbed'or'distracted'isnatural
andnormalforyouaswellasmostpeople.Whiletherearetimeswhenyou
maybesocaptivatedbyanexperiencethatverylittlecandisturbyou,whatis
moreimportantistoletthedisturbance/distractiongo.Giveyourself
permissiontogoinandoutoftranceeasilyanddistractionsstopcausing
problems(comingoutofatranceisanopportunitytogointotrance)
Sinceyourgoalseemstobeaboutrelaxing,andimagery,asopposedto
interactionwithanotherperson,Iwouldthinkagoodwaytodothismightbe
tocreatearecordingorscriptforyourself.
PersonallyIgointotranceinlessthanaminutewhenIwantto.Idothisby
identifyingsignsofmytrancebeingataspecificstateandthenanchoring
thatstate.Iwouldsaynexttimeyougetdeep,andyoufinallyreachthat
placeyouwanttogetto,dosomethingliketapyourhandoryourlegor
somesuch,inasignificantway.Thenseeifdoingthatagainwhetherinor
outoftrancewillstrengthen.
Still,whileIunderstandpeoplecomeheretotalkabouthypnosisingeneral,
itseemstomelikeyouareplayingwithyourself,whenyoumightbereadyto
playwithothers.
Findingadeeperstateisn'tmuchofadrawtoahypnotist.Thinkaboutwhat
youreallywanttodowithaperson(ratherthanwhatyouwantthemtodo
toyou).
David
UlthariUlthari
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Secondthemeditationsuggestion.Meditationproducestrancethatis
empiricallyindistinguishablefromhypnotictrance.Inspecific,youmayfind
mindfulnessmeditationuseful.It'sanexcellentwaytoembraceandmanage
thementalnoise.
ElbnympheElbnymphe
Toanswerapartofyourquestions:Irecommendfractionationasadeepener
forselfhypnosis.Justopenyoureyesandselfsuggesttorelaxevendeeper
whenyouclosethemagain.Repeatafewtimes.
AmourTranceAmourTrance
You'vebeenusingonlyfiles?Ohdear,I'msosorry.Thatprettymuchexplains
much.Ihopeyoufindsomeonetochatwithtodoalivesession.(:
DErdrickDErdrick
Iwanttothankeveryoneoftheadvicethey'vegiven.I'vealreadybegun
workingonincorporatingitintomyselfhypnosistotryandimprovemy
trances.
@MrDream:Youraiseaninterestingpointthough,andIwashopingyou
wouldelaborateonit.Hypnosisdefinitelyseemslikeacollaborativeeffort,
andassuchboththehypnotistandthepersonbeinghypnotisedshouldget
somethingfromit.But,IknowI'mbetrayingmyinexperiencehere,Idon't
knowwhattoofferfrommyperspective.Otherthanthecopiousamountsof
meninhypnotistsseekingthatappeartobelookingforamindlesssexslave,I
don'tknowwhatahypnotistwantsfromasubject.Thatcouldpossiblybere
readasIdon'tknowwhatagenuinehypnotistwantsfromasubject:).
Althoughthismightbeworthanentirethread,whatdoesanexperienced
hypnotistseekfromsomeone?
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Hypnoticrollercoaster
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Cananyonetellmewhy(ortheorizewhy)mysuggestibilityseemstowaxand
wane?TherearenosignificantphysicalchangesIamawareof,but
sometimesIdropdeeplyintotrancerightawayandothertimes...nothing
nomatterwhat.Itmakesnosensetome,especiallyinthosetimeswhenI
cannottrance,likerightnow.Doesthishappentoanyoneelse?Cananyone
explainthistome?
Responses(16of16)
Humansarecomplex.
Statesofconsciousnessoneifthemostcomplexpartsofthehumanthing.
Areyoutryingthesamemethodeverytime?There'sareasontohave
multipletoolsinthetoolbox.
Isthereanythinginusthatisconstant?Iwouldbelookingforcluesor
possibletriggersorregularitiesinthoseshiftsinordertousethembetterbut
itisnatural.
Alsodigestibilityandsubjectiveperceptionofthedepthmightnotgoalways
handinhand,thelaterbeingsometimesassociatedtoomuchwith
relaxation.Soifrelaxationdoesnotalwaysworkthesamewaysomething
elsemight.
Youcouldalsolookatulthradyanrythmsinhypnosis(Rossihaswritten
aboutthat).
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digestibility=suggestibility
nowguesswhoisusingthespellcheck:D
MrNightmare
Therearealotofvariablesbutsomethingsyoumightconsideristhatyour
unconscious/subconsciousprobablyknowswhenitisbestandwhenitisn't
soitsworthtrustingthatratherthanputtingpressuretowardsovercomingit.
Thereisalsoadailycyclesthathaveimpact,similartoyoursleepcycles
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultradian)thatmayhaveanimpact.
Ifyouaren'treallyfeelinglikethereisany'reason'Iwouldsayyourbestbet
istoresetyourself,findsomethingelsetodoandthensortofletyour
instinctguideyouwhenitisworthdoingitagain.SometimesIfeelthat
duringahypnotisisorienteddate,givingsometimetojusthangoutandtalk
allowsthehypnotisttopickupthemomentwhentheirisgreatestcapability
totrancewell,ratherthantryingtojustdiveinandassumeitwillalways
workthesameway.
Goodluck!
David
Oneofthemostoverlookedfactorsinmoodandmindisatmospheric
pressure.IttookyearsbeforedoctorsfinallyacceptedwhatIwastellingthem
thewholetimeweatherchangeswerebringingonmymigraines.(Ihave
sincecreatedatriggersetthateliminatesthem!)Evenwithpeoplewhodon't
experiencemigraines,moodisalsoaffected,andinfact,atoneworkplace,I
wouldtaketimesofpremigrainepressureasanopportunitytogoandget
chocolatefromthestoreacrossthestreetanddistributethemamongstmy
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coworkers.EachandeveryonewasawareonanunconsciouslevelofwhatI
wasgettingintermsofpremigraine"throb."
Idonotdoubtthatthelevelofdistractionthatcancomewithchangesof
weatheraffectyourabilitytoattaintrance.
DoggyBoneDoggyBone
thewaysomeonesimplifiedtitomewasthatsometimesyoucansleepand
othertimesnomatterhowhardyoutry,youcant.
Iguessmanythingscouldfactorintoit.Thatsjustmyguessthough:)...i
usuallypayitnomind.Imjusthappyaboutthetimesicantrance:)
ambersub
Wow...greatanswers!Thankyouthisisasmartgroup.Iamtryingallkinds
oftechniques,butstillnoluck.Havingsaidthat...I'msogladIpostedthis.I
amgoingtobepayingattentiontoeveryoneofthefactorsyouallhavecited
andseeifIcanlockdownsomevariables.Ifallelsefails,thenImaygowith
DoggyBone'sexplanation...asitreallydoesmakesense.
DecadentMasterDecadentMaster
maybetooobviousbutdoesthispatternmatchanypatternsatwork?Stress
cyclesbroughtonbyworkritualslikemonthlyreportscanoftencreates
heavywallsthroughtheneedtobeincontrolatthetime.
Justathought,
DM
ambersub
@DecadentMasternotthatIamawareof.Iwillmonitorstresslevelstoo.
Theweirdthingisthatitseemstotakeweekstogetbackintothehypnotic
"groove"again.Thenitallseemsnormalagain,butthesedropoutphasesare
frustratingforme.Rightnowabsolutelynothingworks.
GlyGly
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IhavenoticedthatthelongerI'minchastity,thestrongertheeffectsof
hypnosisare.Itmaybethecaseforyoutoo...
ambersub
VerycoolGlythatsoundslikeanothervariabletoconsider.
teamfluffy
Couldbyanynumberofthingsincludinghowwellyousleptthenightbefore,
whatyou'veeatenrecently,yourexerciseandfitnesslevel,yourtrustin
yourself,yourpartner'sskillandtechniquethatday...manyvariables.
RuneNorseRuneNorse
hadthesameproblemsometimes.MostofthetimesIcametothe
conclusionthatIdidnotreallywantthattypeofhypnoticthemethenorI
foundsomethingIwantedmorethantheotherhypnoticsessionetcetc.May
bethatyourmindisinmoodforsomethingdifferentthanwhatyou
sometimesareputthrough,eventhoughyoudon'treallyknowwhatyou
wantyet.
Ericc
Biorythymsandthemooncycleshaveadramaticaffectonyourbody.The
seahastides.Ourbodyhasatideinsideaswellwithourbodywater.The
mooncanvary20%inthedistanceitisawayfromplanetearth.Thenew
Moonisthedayofthemonthwhenthehighestnumberofbabiesare
conceivedaroundtheuniverse.Newmoonnewlife,changes,newthings
happeningtoyou.
Supine,hashesuggestedyoudoanything?
NaughtHypnotist
Itgoestothenatureof...thestructureof...influence...knowinghowminds
work.Ifit'sanyconsolation,mycontentionisthattheonusisonthe
hypnotistforyoutofollowthebouncingball.Trancemeanstotransition
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fromonestatetoanotherandthevariableisthesubject'sframeofmind,so
sometimes,wehypnotistshavetoworkharder,duetoanynumberof
reasons.Don'tbetooeagertotakeonalltheresponsibility.
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TheHypnotists'Desires
byDErdrickover1yearago
Acommentinanotherthreadgotmecurious.
Asabottom,graduallybecomingmoresubmissive,I'vealwaysthoughtabout
pleasingmyTop/Dominant.StoriesandwritingaboundsofwhatDom/mes
arelookingforintheirsub.Somelikethemfeisty,othersexpectperfect
submission.Somelikealotofguidelinesastowhatasubislookingfor,
othersonlywanttoknowthelimitsandexpectfreedomwithinthem.Andon
thedeeperlevelsthereisplentyofwritingonwhataDom/mefindssatisfying
intheactofdominationitself.
Ihaveyettofindasimilardiscussionforhypnosis.Ashypnotist,whatdraws
youtoasubject?Whattraitsdoyoulookfor?Doyoupreferasubjectthatis
challengingtoworkwith,ordoyoupreferamoremalleablemind?Similarly,
doyouwantasubjectwithlotsofexpectationsanddesires,ordoyouprefer
untouchedclaytomold?Andonadeeperlevel,whatdrawsyoutohypnosis
itself.Whatisitaboutbeingahypnotistthatyoufindfulfilling?
Responses(8of8)
Itismoreaninterestinhypnosisassuch(andevenpsychologyingeneral)
thansomethingspecificallyrelatedtoBDSMorsex.
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Hypnosis,meditation,psychologyetcalwayslikedtopokethemind(my
owntostartwith)andseewhatelseishiddendownthere:D
SointhataspectIwouldbedrowntoanyonewhowantstoexperimentwith
it,irrelevantofourrelationshipstatus.Thetwoarenotnecessarily
connected.Ifitdoeshappenthatsomeoneinarelationshipwithlikesto
"poke"thanitcanshifttotheeroticuse,butotherwiseitisnotnecessary
eitherforapartnertobeinitorforaneroticelementtodohypno,itisan
interestonit'sowncomingmorefromcuriositythansexuality.
Ilookforopentonewexperiences.Beyondthat"alloftheabove."
Igotinthebusiness,tohelppple...thenfoundoutoneisrequiredto"make
money"oronedoesnotstayinbusiness.
OutsideofBDSM,theyfindMe,soIamnot"drawn"tothem...andthereare
afew,Ihaveevenrejected.
WithinBDSMHmmsometimesI"offer"hypnosis,buttheystillhaveto
chooseit...thebaitisthebenefitsof...wellthosearetotheindividualslave,
sofarnoonehaseverturneddownmorepleasureandmoreandbetter
orgasms.
HypnoticNow
Let'ssee,whatdoIgetoutofit...
I'mahypnofetishist(hypnotistspecific)firstandaDomsecond(althougha
veryclosesecond)...You'llseethatonmythoughtsonwhatIgetoutofit,I
think...
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Asastraightcismalehypnofetishisthypnotist...saythat5timesfast...Iget
turnedonjustfromknowingI'mputtingalovelywomanintotranceandthe
like.Seeingit,hearingit,etc.
I'veALWAYSbeenthetypetoenjoyjustseeingwhatreactionsstuffgets.
SoIenjoyseeinghowdifferentpeoplerespondtosimilarstuff,orhow
differentpeoplefillinminorblanksontheirown(mentalbondage,they're
"stuck,"wellisitglue,isitrope,isittheirfavoritefetishequipment,isit
someglowing,rainbowcoloredalienjism,what?)
Igetturnedonatturningmypartneron.TheDomaspectcomesinthatI'm
turningthemononmyterms(negotiatedandallthat),addingtothat
arousal,butitstartsatthatIamapartofmakingthistohappen.Yeayea,it's
thehypnotee'smind,creativity,andimaginationmakingithappen,don't
thinkI'mtakingallthecredit,butI'mapartofwhythesceneisasfunfor
themasitis.Ifitwasadifferentvoice,adifferenttouch,etc.,itwould
changetheentirefeelofthescene.
The"icingonthecake"ofwhatsuggestionsIcandoaddstothings,aswell.
Example:suggestionstowardbeingabletodothingstosomeone
inconspicuously.YouknowwhatI'mdoing,IknowwhatI'mdoing,butJoe
Shmoeovertherehasnogoddamnclue.Theinitialsurpriseofwhatcanbe
done,butthat'sagenerallyonetimething.AndI'mchoosingtoforgothe
obviousjokeabouthypnoticamnesiahere,sonyah.
IlikeacommentmygirlgavemewhenIaskedheryourthoughts.The
"someoneelsehasdifferentinsightsthanyoudoonyourself"thing:Because
it'saformofplayrequiringcreativity,imagination,andintelligenceonBOTH
sides...thepeoplethattendtodobestashypnoteestendtobepeoplethat
arefuntoholdaconversationwithanyway.
Themystiqueof"hypnosis"tendstodrawinaninterestingcrowd,evenin
comparingtothegeneralBDSMcommunityasawhole.Asahypnotist,
you'retheonewiththat"mystique"(dependingonwhoyoutalkto).
I'mlookingforsomeonewholiketostruggle...andlosewhocanresist...
unsuccessfully.Forsomeonewho'safriendIhypnotisesometimesrather
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someoneIhypnotise.Forsomeonewiththeirownideasofwhathypnosis
candotothem,andwhoenjoysdiscoveringwhatIdowiththoseideas.
Ideally,forsomeonelocalenoughthatwecanhangoutinpersonandplayon
thespurofthemomentratherthanmakingappointmentsinadvance.Oh,
andforsomeonewho'sawomanI'vetriedhypnotisingmen,anditjust
doesn'tfeelrightforme.
DRRRDRRR
AmHypnoticprettymuchjustsummeditallupasfarasI'mconcerned.
Especiallyonbeingabletoexperiencethereactionsofasubject.It'sone
reasonI'veneverbeenabletofindthesamekindofsatisfactionintextbased
hypnosis(notdiscrediting,it'ssimplynotforme),asIfindithardtoreadthe
sincerityorjustthesimplefacialreaction,orshiftinvocaltoneofasubject
whentheyareentranced,orhavecomeoutoftrancewithsomehypnotic
effectinplace.
SquirrelPowerSquirrelPower
Ilovethevulnerability.It'sbreathtakinglybeautifulandturnsmeonsomuch.
Iloveitasawaytoconnectdeeperwithsomeoneasafriend,asalover.I
loveholdingthemwhentheyaresodeep,keepingthemsafeasItakethem
deeper.
SometimesIgetoffonthecontrol,beingabletoplaywithsomeone.
SometimesIenjoytheeasilytrancedandtheeasilytrained;it'safungameas
towhatIcandowiththem.Ireallyenjoytakingmostlytoppypeopleand
havingthemletgoandgosowonderfullydeep.
Ienjoytheproblemsolvingaspectofit,howeachperson'smindisdifferent
andhowtoalterwhatIsaytogettheresultIwant.Ortheresultthatis
entertaining.
ThisiswhyIdon'treallyliketrancingawholelotofpeople;itisreally
intimateformeandcanbeexhaustingifIdon'tgetthatsameenergyback
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fromafriendoralover.Idon'tneedtobeattractedtoaperson,butIhaveto
likethem.Andtheyhavetobeinterestingoutsideofhypnosis.
Ihavetobeintherightheadspace;ingeneralIhavetobetheonewhois
like"hey,you,Iwannatranceyou."Ipartiallyblameitonallofthepeople
(mostlymen)whoarelike,"canyouhypnotizemerightnow,neartotal
stranger?"inthemiddleoflike,Paddles[orinsertothernoisykinkspace
here].
tl;dr:It'stherelationshipwiththeotherperson,aboveallelse.
tennfantennfan
Ienjoyhypnosisfrombothsidesoftheproverbialpocketwatch,butfromthe
sideofbeingahypnotist,prettymuchexactlywhatSquirrelsaid.
It'sjustsodamnedintimateanexperience.Thereisprettymuchnotasingle
personI'vetrancedthatIdon'thavesomeongoingcontactwith.Thisisa
cheesyandhalfformedanalogy,butwhenyoudoitright,itfeelslikeamind
meld.You'reutterlyinsyncwithsomeonementally,andthat'salevelof
connectionthatisratheruncommon.Iloveseeingthewayspeoplerespond
differentlytoaphraseImighthaveusedbeforewordforword.
Thepeakoftheexperienceisthatmoment,wheneverythingishittingonall
cylinders,thatitfeelslikeadancethatyouareleading.Thesubtlestshift
fromyourpartnerletsyourespondequallyandthenguidethemthe
directionyouwant.It'sgoodstuff.
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Effectsofalcoholonhypnosis
bymarylisseover1yearago
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Iamstillverynewtohypnosisbutit'squicklybecomingoneofmypassions.I
amcuriousabouthowanalcoholicbeverage(ortwo)willaffectmyabilityto
gointotranceandacceptsuggestions.Ihavethisfarbeenprettyreceptiveso
I'mthinkingI'dbetternotruinagoodthing.Iamonlycuriousforsituations
wheresocialdrinkingispossible?
Anyinsight?Hasanyoneexperiencedhypnosisafterafewdrinks?
Responses(14of14)
HypnoticNow
Remainingbrief,I'dsay1or2drinksinyoursystem,alightbuzzatmost,
wouldn'timpactyourabilitytogointotranceeitherway,really.
Addanotherdrinktothemixwhereyoustartgoingfromalightbuzztosorta
drunkorworse,andI'dsayyou'reABLEtogointoatrance,but,well,your
judgementisimpactedenoughWITHOUTaddinghighersuggestibilitytothe
mix,ANDahypnotistwon'tproperlybeabletogaugeyourmentalstate
whenyoustartoffthatfarofffromyoursobernorm,ANDyou'llinterpret
thingsquitedifferentlywhileyou'redrunkthanwhileyou'resober.
Inotherwords?1drink?Feelfree.2drinks?Considerhowwellyouhandle
yourdrinksbeforedoingso.3+drinks?Betteroffsoberingupabitfirst.
HypnoticNow
Mindyou:begoodandletyourhypnotistKNOWyou'vehaddrinks,ifthey
don'tknowalready.Ifthey'relesscomfortablewithit,thendon'truinagood
thingwiththatpotentialhypnotist,youknow?
marylissemarylisse
Thankyou@AmHypnotic,yourreplyhasreallyhelped...:)
JazzyNixieJazzyNixie
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I'dagree.Adrinkortwoisfine,butmorethanthatandonetendstoget
drowsyinawrongway,difficulttoconcentrateandpayattentiontowhatis
goingon,andactuallyveryeasytojustplainfallasleep.You'llhaveyour
hypnotisttouchingyouontheshoulderandsaying"Hey,youaresnoringtoo
loud!"
teamfluffy
Therearedrugswhichseemtoaccentuatetheexperience.Alcoholdoesn't
seemtobeoneofthem.
Basically,whileyourabilitytoreasondeclines,whichmightspeakto
susceptibility,sodoesyourabilitytocomprehendcomplexthoughts,tosay
nothingofyourabilitytoexecuteinstructions.
DwergDwerg
Onedrinklowersinhibitionsandcanmakehypnosiseasier.Morethanthat
anditdegradesyourabilitytotrance.
Ifthesubjectandhypnotisthaveworkedtogetherbeforeandare
comfortablewitheachother,trancestillworks.Itwouldbebetterifthey
weresober.IfsomeoneisdrunkandIhavenothypnotizedthembefore,Itell
themwecandoitwhentheyaresober.
Therearedrugsthatdoimprovetrance,alcoholisnotoneofthem.
marylissemarylisse
Thankyouforallthehelpfulreplies...
Onedrinktodecreaseinhibitionssoundsnicetome.Idon'tdrinkregularlyso
ittakesverylittlebeforeI'mtipsyandIamnotinterestedingettingdrunk.
Iamnowcurious...;)Whatdrugsenhancetrance?
vishnu
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Whiletheabilitytocomprehendcomplexthoughtsmaydeclineaftera
certainpoint,suggestionscanstillgetthroughtoone'ssubconsciousand
probablymoreeasily.
Subconsciousornot,yourbrainstructuresaren'tdesignedtoconsolidateinto
memory/storagewhenyouaddalcoholintothemix.Somorethanacouple
ofdrinksandyouwon'treallyhavetheabilitytoeffectivelystoreany
suggestions.
chloroheelchloroheel
That'sgoodtoknowIwasjustwonderingthatmyselftheothernightIhad
twodrinksandthentriedtogethypnotized.
Hypnoslut333Hypnoslut333
Ihaveneverhadaproblemwithhypnosiswhiledrinking.Ithinkwhatyouare
doingwiththehypnosisiswhatmatters.
Asfarasdrugs,Ienjoysmokingpotandhypnosis.
Ihonestlybelievehypnosisisgoingtoworkinalotofdifferentstatesifyou
areintoitandwantittoworkandacceptallthepossibilities.
Whatdrugsenhancetrance?
Youcanlookup"hypnotics"butreallytheothersideeffectstendtonot
makethemgoodforrealtrancework,buttrancefuncouldbethere.
Thethingis,it'sallalteredconsciousness.Layeringalteredconsciousness
statescanbefun,butwithsomuchindividualinterpretation,youhaveto
carefullyexploreyourselfandyourownstates.There'snostudiesreallyon
thisanditwouldbeillegaltotryalotofstuffoutthereonyourown
recreationally.
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Also,don'ttrytogethypnotized,justgointohypnosis.:)
MrDangerMrDanger
Ithinkforsomethealcohol(alittle)isusefulinrelaxingabit....oratleastas
longasthepersondrinkingBELIEVESitdoes....tohelpthemgetintotrance.
Peoplearenervousbecausetheydon'tknowwhattoexpect.Nomatterhow
manytimesIsay"thehypnoticstatelooksEXACTLYLIKETHIS"theydon't
knowuntiltheygetthere.
So,iftheythinkitwillhelp..great.And,aseveryoneelsehasstated,ifitistoa
stateofimpairmentthenyouprobablyshouldn'tdoANYTHINGwithhim..or
her..orthem.
marylissemarylisse
Ijustwantedtotakesometimeandsaythankyouagainforallthe
responses...
Forthetimebeing,I'lljustkeepthingssimple:noalcohol(Idrinksociallyand
verylittle)andcertainlynodrugs(smokedmarijuanaonceanddidn'tlikeit...
lol)
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Voicetrainingforhypnotists?
byLibida
I'vealwaysdreamedofhavingoneofthoseliquidchocolatevoiceslikesome
hypnotistshave.<melts>
HowcanIimprovemyspeakingvoicesoitsoundsbetterandIdon'tgeta
sorethroataftertalkingforafewhours?
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I'mthinkingvoicetraining.WhatkindshouldIlookfor?Arethereinexpensive
waystostartimprovingmyvoice?ThingsIcandoathome?
Thanksforyourhelp!
Responses(15of15)
STellaCalvertSTellaCalvert
Ifyourvoiceisgettingtiredwithuse,google"falsevocalcords",playabit,
andnoticewhichincreasesthestrain,andwhichletsyougentlykeeptalking.
SensualHypnoSensualHypno
@Libida,considerusingthe"monkeysee,monkeydo"approachuntilyou
cangetsomegoodtraining.
Ofcourse,inthiscaseyou'dbelisteningandtryingtoreproducewhatyou
hear.HereiswhatI'ddo:
pickahypnotistwhosevoiceyouexperienceas"liquidchocolate".
ifyoudon'talreadyhaveone,buytheirmp3/cd/orcatchthemonyoutube
listentoitoverandoverandoveragainuntilyourbrainhascapturedit
nowstartsayingtheinductionatthesametime(thesamewayyou'dsinga
songontheradio)
mimictheirvoiceascloselyasyoucan:speed,volume,cadence
onceyou'vemaster"theirinduction"startusingYOUowninductionwiththe
mimickingyou'velearned
Ifyouhaveagoodear,thiscantakeyouafewweeks.You'llbeamazedatthe
resultsandyoursubjectswillmeltforyoulikeliquidchocolate.
best!
BlodeueddBlodeuedd
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Well,beingafanofvoiceactorsandactressesIhaveheardtostayawayfrom
coffee,colddrinks,andeatapples(theytakethe'snap'noisesoutofyour
voiceandkeepyourthroatcleanandfresh).
Snapnoises?Gotasearchstring?IamnothappywiththevoiceIhave,but
compensatebybeinghappyaspossiblewiththewordsitsays,andmight,if
myfroggyvoicebuggedapartner,worksuggestionsthatmyvoicewould
seemmoreappealingthedeeperintotrancesiechosetogo.(THEN,anylittle
thingIhavemasteredaboutvoicingmywordscouldbeusedtoguidethe
persontowhereeverwewereheaded.)
Nocoffee?Notworthit!
Inmostcasesyourownvoicewillbefine,withtheexceptionoftiring.My
Husband/Mastersvoiceisquitegravellyansroughbuthistoneisquite
soothing,don'tforceyourvoicetodothingthatareunnaturalforit.Instead
workonmakingthesoundsoothing,itwillbothbemoreliquidandlast
longer.
PetmakerPetmaker
@Libida
Hereisafewyearsofvocalinstructioninanutshell:
It'sallaboutbreathing.Liedownonyourbackandseehowyourbellyrises
andfallsasyoubreathedeeplyandslowly.THATishowyoushouldbe
breathingwhenyousingorspeak.
Youcanalsopracticeholdingyourbreath.Attheheightofmytraining,I
couldholditfortwominutesand10seconds.Myteachertaughtmethatis
whatisneededjusttosinga30secondphrase.
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Lookforabooktitled"HowtoSing",byGrahamHewitt.Weusedthatasour
"textbook"
http://www.amazon.com/HowSingGrahamHewitt/dp/080
Aboveall,keeppracticing!
PsychoactivePsychoactive
Formyself,recordingmyownvoicedidwonders.IwasmakingaCDand
wouldplaybackmyownvoice...Itwashorrendous.SoIwouldrecorditagain
andchangeonethingatatime.Afterfewhoursadayforafewweeks,Ican
honestlysaymyvoicehasgreatlyimproved.
Otherthanthat,itreallyisaboutbreathing.Learntodiaphragmatic
breathing,practicecertainsoundsuntilyougetexactlywhatyouwant.Avoid
caffeineandsugar.Stayhydrated.
YourvoicewillalsofluctuatethroughoutthedayandIfindmybestvoiceis
whenIfirstwakeup.ThetheoryIalwayshearisthatyourvocalchordsare
looseandrestedsoitcomesoutdeeper.Workondevelopingyourvocal
chords.
ambersub
Ilovetheliquidchocolatevoices,buttheyarenotalwaystheonesthatput
meintrance.Iamgoingtomsgyouseparatelywithafewideassoasnotto
dilutetheexcellentrepliesaboutvoicethatIhaveseenonthisthread.
MindBinderMindBinder
Hopefullythisisstillintheballparkofyourquestion.Youmayfindithelpful
tohaveseveralvoices.1.Normalspeakingvoice(NV).2.Entrancingvoice
(EV)and3.Unconsciousvoice(UV)(speakingonlytotheunconscious).By
goingfirstintotrance...Icanrelaxmyvoiceenoughtomakeacleartransition
toEntrancingvoice.Withpracticeyouwillbeabletoswitcheasily:(e.g.[NV]
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"youarecuriousabouthypnosisandmaywanttoseehowitcanhelpyou"
[EV]"RELAXNOW".
IbelievetheUVbeganasanEricksonianthing,andI'mstillworkingonit.
Seeingitinactionwasamazing.
ambersub
Seethatisacoolcomment.IdidnoteventhinkaboutEV,butitmakes
sense.
LibidaLibida
Wow,thisisgreatinformationthanks,everybody!
@STellaCalvert:Ilookedatsomefalsevocalchordreferences,whichseemed
tobeaboutdoingextremesingingstylessuchasscreamingwithout
damagingthetruevocalchords.Howdoesthatrelatetospeaking?Couldyou
beabitmorespecificaboutwhatIshouldsearchfor?
@HypnoTranceDom:Greatidea!TosomeextentIhavelearnedtoimitate
malehypnotistsIadmire,buthaven'ttrieditwithwomen.
Anyonegotsuggestionsforgreatsoundingfemalehypnotiststocheckout?
Also,IwanttobesureI'mnotstrainingordamagingmyvoicewhenIimitate
someone.Forinstance,asingertoldmethatwhileabreathyvoicesounds
sexy,it'sactuallyhardonthevocalchords.Anytipsthere?
@Blodeuedd:Anyideahowvoiceactressesandactorsgetvoicetraining?I
definitelywanttolookintothis.
@Petmaker:Thanks!IhaveorderedHowtoSingfromthelibrary.
@Psychoactive:Goodtip!SomeyearsagoIdidabitofrecordingandmade
significantimprovementsinmyspeakingvoice.Timetodoitagain
especiallyafterIlearnmoreaboutwhattoaimfor.
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Workondevelopingyourvocalchords.
Pleasesaymore.HowdoIdothis?
@shaniqua:Thanks,andI'mlookingforwardtoyouremail.IknowIdon't
needa"nice"voicetoputpeopleintrance(DaveEllmansoundedawful,and
MiltonEricksonwasn'texactlyMr.Smoothinthevoicedepartment).But
sinceIplantodopublicspeaking,audiobooks,andvoiceovers,avoicepeople
liketolistentoisaplus.Anditwillpleasemyownesthetics.
@MindBinder,Icurrentlyhavea"regularspeakingvoice"anda"hypnosis
voice."Ihadn'tthoughtofseparatelymarkingoutspeakingtothe
unconscious...that'saveryinterestingidea.I'llwanttothinkthatone
throughbeforeIimplement,sinceIoftenliketouseambiguityregarding
whethersomethingisdirectedattheconsciousmind,theunconsciousmind,
orboth.
Thataside,I'mnowthinkingIwantthreeorfourvoices:
1.Speakingvoice(pleasant,warm,authoritative)
2.Hypnosisvoice(pleasant,authoratative,andtranceinducing)
3.Computerdictationvoice(verycleardictionandgoodseparationbetween
words)
4.Audiobook/videonarrationvoice(clear,warm,pleasanttolistento)
Forsomereasoncomputerdictationstrainsmyvoicefarmorethantalkingor
hypnosis,evenwhenIfeelrelaxedwhiledoingit.Iwillcheckmybreathing
andfollowupontheothergreatsuggestionshere.
Thesearegreatsuggestionspleasekeepthemcoming!
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WhenIfirstencounteredthestring"falsevocalchords"mythroatdidn'tjust
communicatetomeconsciously.itsaid"wakeup,doofus,thisisallabout
you!"Forme,whenIsaid"falsevocalchords""truevocalchords",myvoice
switchedeffortlessly,smugly,"seehowthatworks"ly,andIenteredthestate
ofd'oh,IcouldfeelasubstantialdifferenceinhowIfeltvoicingwords,and
hearadistinctdifference.Relaxationinmythroat,butalsoinmy"spirit"....
Breathingiseverything,assomehavenotedhere,butsoisconsciousness.
AsIlistenedtoothers,itwasclick"oh,howdidInotnoticeTHAT!"andI
currentlyliveinarealitytunnelwhereIbelievepeopletendtousethefalse
chordsmorewhenthey'restressed,attemptingtomanipulateothers,and
perhapsespeciallythemselves.ThetensioninmythroatasIshiftfromoneto
theotherisvividlynotable,andI'vebeguntobelievewhichchordsIusehasa
substantialeffectonhowI'mheard,howreadilymysuggestions,complaints,
requests,andSuggestionsarereceived.Myvoicesoundslesspleasanttome
whenIusethefalsechords,andreactionsseemtoconfirmthatit'sless
effectiveatputtingpeopleinaplace..
(Idon'thaveanexternalhypnoplaymate,butIhaveaninvisiblesignonmy
presencethatcausespeople,oftenstrangers,toventtome,andwhichvoice
Iuseseemstohaveadramaticeffectonwhetherthepersonispersuadedto
endtheconversationhappierandmoreabletocope.(Andno,Idon'thavean
ethicalissuewithusingallthetoolsinmyboxtopersuadefolkstofeelmore
powerful,able,content.IfIweregoingtoturnsomeoneintoacamel,I'd
wantconsent(and,sinceIdon'tNEEDacamel,adamnfinefailsafe!),butI
amcomfortablewithrespondingto"Iamupset"withmybestefforttosend
'emawaysmiling.)
I'msorryIhaven'tfoundpeoplewho'vealreadybuiltvocabularyforthis,soI
can'ttellyoumuchotherthan"IthinkIfoundashiny.Wannaplay?"
I'llgetbacktoyouifIfindgoodstuff,andperhapssomeoneelsecanclue
bothofus.
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Speakingofnicevoicesandtheopposite,Iwasrecentlyamusedtofindsome
youtubeaudioofAleisterCrowley,andhisvoice(atleastinEnochian)was
ghastly,andyet,hedidturnVictorintoacamel....Soapleasantvoiceandan
effectiveonemaynotbecloselylinkedatall.(Thisisprobablynottheright
placetoaskifanyofthefoundersofNLPcredithimwithpriorart,butit's
seemedplausiblesincethefirsttimeIreadanythingaboutNLP.)
Andyourlistofvoicesisinteresting,butprovokesaquestionI'vebeen
broodingonforawhile.Somewhereonfet,therewasdiscussionofmultiple
tistsessions,andthatgotmethinkingabouttheconfusionpotentialofa
singlepractitionerhavingmultiplevoicesinplayduringasession.A
polyphonyofvoicesthatareonevoice,withcrosstalk?AmImanagingto
communicatehere?OristhesenseIhaven'tyetmadeformyselfshowingas
nosense?Ibelievetheproposedscenariowastwomassagetherapists,two
'tists,onevictim,andsincetoomuchofanythingisjustenough,Iwentto
"fourhands,twospeakers,manyvoices,onevictim,kerplop!"
(TimetorereadTRLandfindasampleofLRon'svoice.Ick.)
LibidaLibida:12monthsago
@Petmaker:ThanksforturningmeontoHowtoSing.Itarrivedyesterday
andI'mveryimpressedsofar.Good,practicaltips.Ijustwishhe'dwrittena
bookonhowtoimproveyourspeakingvoice,becauseI'msureitwouldbe
topnotch!I'mgoingtodothesingingexercisesherecommends;I'msure
they'llhelpmyspeakingvoiceaswell.
@STellaCalvert:That'sfascinating!Ihavealwaysbeenintriguedbyfalsetto
andhowthatworks;Iwonderifthey'rerelated.BTW,whatisTRL?
STellaCalvertSTellaCalvert:12monthsago
TRLisa$cientological"trainingroutine"thatteachesitsacolytesto"outflow
falsedataeffectively",andI'mnotrememberingvoicetrainingaspartofthe
procedure.Asidethought,moreaboutfalsevocalchordsthanrelevantto
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chocolatevoices.IknowwhatTRstandsfor,butIwonderwhattheLmight
befor.snicker
ThisisprobablynottherightplacetoaskifanyofthefoundersofNLP
credithimwithpriorart,butit'sseemedplausiblesincethefirsttimeIread
anythingaboutNLP.
Nottomyknowledge.ButNlpdidgrowuphereinCaliforniaandespecially
aroundEssalenforawhile.Sotheycertainlyknewsomethingaboutnewage.
Bandlerandhiscurrentwifedressinwaysthatsuggesttomesome
familiaritywithwitchcraft.
AndyouprobablyknowthatIwasoutlookingforawitchcrafttrad,(shortly
after"gathering"anddiscoveringaparticularpagan/bdsmgroup),whenNlp
booksstartedjumpingoffshelvesatme.
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Erotichypnosisbecareful
byFreeandsingle12monthsago
Mypartnerofthetimeusedhisskillstohypnotisemeonnumerous
occasions.....Heregressedmebacktochildhoodwhilstabusingmybodyto
thehilt.Hedestroyedmecompletely.Allthroughusingatechniquetowhich
onlyprofessionalsshouldpractice.ForfivemonthsIknewnotwhoIwasand
allIeverfeltwaspain.HeputmybodythrusuchabuseIcannotbegintotell
you...AndwhenIwokeuptoitall,mybankaccountwasemptyandIwas
kickedout........AbritinUSAalonepennilessandfrightened.
Iamashamedofbeingsoeasytohypnotise...IamashamedthatIhadno
powertostopit....andIwilllivewiththistilmylastbreath...andhehas
movedontohisnextvictim....
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Beawarewhoeveryouare....it'ssoundssoeroticbutonlyinthehandsofthe
rightperson!
Previous12Next
Responses(150of68)
vishnu:12monthsago
Seemslikeagoodtimetopointtothesticky:HowdoIknowifthey're
ethical?
FreeandsingleFreeandsingle:12monthsago
YesIagree
DreamWarriorDreamWarrior:12monthsago
Hedidn'tstealyourkidneys,didhe?
Iheardsometimestheystealyourkidneys.
TtotheCTtotheC:12monthsago
Ithinkyou'dnoticemissingkidneys...;)
vishnu:12monthsago
Ithinkyou'dnoticemissingkidneys...;)
Wellifyourentirebodyfeelsonlypain,itmaybeeasytomiss.
Thatkidneycommentfellfarshortofitsintendedhumor.
Ononehand,thanksforsharingyourstory,alertingnewbiesthat(erotic)
hypnosisisn'talwayssunshineandrainbows.Ontheotherhand,subjects
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mustberesponsiblefortheirownprotection.Ifsomethingdoesn't"feel"
right,stopdoinghypnowiththathypnotistorenlisthelpandguidancefrom
anotherhypnotist.Readingthepostsofhypnotistsonthisgroup,andothers,
willgiveyouagoodideaoftheirknowledgeandethics.
vishnu:12monthsago
@Hypnaughtytist:Really?Youdon'tthinkweallsawthehumorinthekidney
comment?
Vishana,Idon'tunderstandyourquestion,incontexttomystatement.
vishnu:12monthsago
Ohmymistake,Ididn'trealizeyouweretakingthispostseriously.
Whywouldn'tItakethepostseriously,Vishana...doyouknowsomethingI
don't?
vishnu:12monthsago
Iprobablyknowalotofthingsyoudon'tknow.That'sthewaylifeworks.We
allknowthingsthatotherpeopledon'tknow.
KregainKregain:12monthsago
@vishanaSobeingacynicalassistheappropriatemeasuretotakehere?
It'sfunnyhowpeoplecansitonacomputerandgrowintothesesupersized
jerks.
vishnu:12monthsago
@Kregain:
Sobeingacynicalassistheappropriatemeasuretotakehere?
Sure,whynot?
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It'sfunnyhowpeoplecansitonacomputerandgrowintothesesuper
sizedjerks.
Pot,kettle?
MasterFlexMasterFlex:12monthsago
Chillplease.
"ToomuchBudLightorTwoBuckChuckatyourSuperBowlParty,Vishana?"
KregainKregain:12monthsago
@vishanaIfcallingyououtforbeinganassholemakesmeonetoo,sobeit.
ButatleastIcansayI'mdoingitfortherightreasons.Nowtrollalong
elsewhereyougotkittenstopunchandcandytostealfrombabiesI'msure!
Thetruthreallyisthatthisisthesamewitheveryactivity,kinkyorotherwise.
Thegoodthingtorememberisthatthehypnosiswasusedasatooltotake
advantageoftheabusivepastyouhad.Itcanjustaseasilybeusedasatool
tocreatehealing.
CamoSutraCamoSutra:12monthsago
Nottrainedinhypnosis,atleastnotyet,butevenIunderstandthedifference
betweeneroticandabusivewhenitcomestohypnosis.Hypnosisisatool,
andlikeanyothertoolitcanbeusedwellorpoorly,forconstructiveor
destructivepurposes.EverythingIhavereadorbeentoldbypeopleIrespect
tellsmethatattemptinghypnosiswithoutreallyunderstandingwhatyouare
doingisasunethicalasusingitforimproperpurposes.
SeductorSeductor:12monthsago
IamtrainedinbothhypnosisandNLPprofessionally,andfindthe'blamethe
victim'mentalityrathercrudeandcallous.Wouldyousellconcessionsatat
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rapewhileWhoopi'andahollerin'andeggin'emontodueevenmore
damage?Woulditbeasfunnyifitwasyourmotherorsister?Iamsorely
disappointedwiththelevelofmaturityandcompassionbeingshownhere.I
wouldbeashamedtoadmitImadesuchcomments.Goodluckgetting
sympathywhenyouarewronged,forwhatgoesaround,oftencomesback
around.
TheSeductor
whoopin',hollerin',andeggin''emonItriedtotype.Damnandroideditor
MrtomsfarmMrtomsfarm:12monthsago
Kidneyjokeaside.Isthereawayforanamaturehypnotisttoprotectthe
persontheyloveandareexploringthiswithfromapotentialabuserthru
installingblocksagainstotherhypnotists?
Isthereawayonecanpermentantlyblockthemselvesfrombeinghypnotized
everagain?
HypnobdsmHypnobdsm:12monthsago
Blamethevictim.Blamethetist.Itisthesamestory,justretoldoverthe
years.Thepeoplewhocommentmaychange,butthestoryneverdoes.
Idon'twanttotalkaboutblame,Iwanttotalkaboutwhatwecandotohelp
peoplenotfallintothistrap.Outthepredators.Educatethecommunity.
Herearesomeprecautions:Vetthepersonyouplaywith,findoutwhothey
arebeforethereisanyplayatall.Evenifyou'reabottom,Ithinkyoushould
learnthetechniquesyouwanttopstouseonyou,soyoucangaugewhether
they'redoingitright,andgetoutoftherewhenthey'redoingitwrong.
Maybegetsomeoneelsetowatchyourbackandcheckonyou.
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Asyoucansee,thiskindofadviceworksforanykink.Hypnosisisnomore
dangerousthananyotherkink.Theseprecautionsarealwayswise.
Inerotichypnosis,learningaboutthetechniquesincludeslearninghow
inductionswork,andlearningsomeformofselfhypnosis,inmyhumble
opinion.
@MrtomsfarmYes,thereareways.ButIthinkit'sveryunethicalforone
hypnotisttoputablockinplacesootherhypnotistscannolongertoucha
subject.Andmoreimportantly,asubjectcanlearnwithselfhypnosistoput
theirownkindofprotectioninplace,iftheywantprotection,whichIthinkis
amuchbettersolution.
@theWrathIcanseetheunethicalsenario,Icanalsoseeonethatisn'tso
bad.Imaginesomeonewhoishighlypronetoitandscaredoutoftheirmind
aboutbeingtakenadvantageof,thentheyrequestsuchablockfrom
someonetheytrust.Ihadnotconsideredselfhypnoasasolutionandagree
thatit'sbetterinmostsituations.
Inmyhumbleexperience,someonewhoisscaredtobehypnotizedcannot
behypnotized.
Notscaredtobehypnotized,scaredtobeabusedbyahypnotist.
SteedIrlSteedIrl:12monthsago
@Freeandsingle
Don'tfeelashamed.Youplacedyourtrustinsomebodyandheviolatedthat
trust.Notsomethingforyoutofeelashamedabout.Lotsofotheremotions
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youcouldusefullyfeel...anger.Givethatagoforawhile.Angeratthe
cockroachwhoabusedyourtrust.
Thankyouforpostingaboutyourexperienceandbysodoingmakingusalla
bitmoreawareofpossibledangers.
Yousoundasifyouareinabettersituationrightnow.Ihopethat'sthecase.
Onwards!:)
hypnocleohypnocleo:12monthsago
@Freeandsingledidyoureporthimtothepolice?
Ithinktheuseofregressioninanerotichypnosissessionisamajorredflag.I
agreewithWraththereshouldbemuchmoreemphasisoneducating
potentialsubjectsonthenature,benefitsandrisksofhypnosis.
ElbnympheElbnymphe:12monthsago
Ithinktheuseofregressioninanerotichypnosissessionisamajorred
flag.
Notnecessarily.I'vedoneandreceivedhypnoticregressionaspartoferotic
ageplay,consensuallyandtoourmutualsatisfaction.NotthefirstthingI'd
dooneithersidewithsomebodyIdon'tknowwellbutitcertainlyisn'tared
flagperse.
TheWifeTrainerTheWifeTrainer:12monthsago
It'sofworthtonotethatit'snotevenphysicallyandpsychologicallyabusive
hypnodomsanddommesyouhavetobewaryof.WhenIstartedamassing
mycollectionoferotichypnosismp3sonline,Istartedwithapairofrelatively
wellknownhypnotists,oneofwhomisverygood,butveryevil,too.Alotof
financialandmentaladdictionemphasisinallofhermaterials,whichjust
doesn'tdoitforme.I'mlookingforagoodtime,amildmindfuck,anda
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relationship(albeitaslooseofoneascanbeobtainedthroughrandomonline
interactions)thatisgarneredintrustandrespect.
Breakingawayfromthatisasdifficultasbreakingawayfromdrugsor
alcohol,butIfoundothermistresseswithfantasticsafetyscriptsthathelped
conditionmymindtohaveitsownsafeword.Nomatterhowdeeplyunder
I'mtakenanymore,ifmymindperceivesdangerorharm,Idon'thaveto
acceptthesuggestion.
Notnecessarily.I'vedoneandreceivedhypnoticregressionaspartof
eroticageplay,consensuallyandtoourmutualsatisfaction.Notthefirst
thingI'ddooneithersidewithsomebodyIdon'tknowwellbutitcertainly
isn'taredflagperse.
Firstofall,letmeclarifythatwhenIsayRedFlag,thatisnotequaltoBad
UnderAllCircumstances.Ifyouareatrainedhypnotherapist,thenyes,you
canprobablyuseregressiontomutialsatisfactioninaneroticcontext.Istill
thinkitisnotnecessary.Evenforageplayyoucanuseothertechniqueswith
amuchbetterriskprofiletobringsomeoneinayoungerstateofmind.
Soimhousingregressionisaredflagandabigone.Whenahypnotistinists
onusingitit,Ithinkasubjectshouldaskwhy,shouldaskabouttrainingand
experience,andshouldgeteducatedontherisks.Ifafterthatbotharestill
willingtocintinue,byallmeans,do.
ElbnympheElbnymphe:12monthsago
Whenahypnotistinistsonusingitit,Ithinkasubjectshouldaskwhy,
shouldaskabouttrainingandexperience,andshouldgeteducatedonthe
risks.
WhileIagree,that'sprobablyagoodideawithanykindofbdsmactivity,
especiallyifsomebodyinsistsondoinganythingyoudon'tknowmuchabout
oraren'tcomfortablewith.
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JayCynicJayCynic:12monthsago
Itshouldbeobviousthatonedoesnotregressasubjectintotheirown,real
past.(For,oh,somanyreasons.Andifyoudooneoftheexceptionstothis
rule,youdon'tneedtobetold.)
I'vedonesomefairlyheavyandplayfullyabusiveageplay,includingfictional
regressionsforroleplaying,usingerotichypnosis,andthey'vebeensomeof
thehottestscenesI'vedone.
Forme,notaskingaboutskill,experience,andtrainingistherealredflag.I
really,reallydon'twanttoplaytheblamethevictimcrap,yettheoriginal
postdoesnotimmediatelysoundbelievabletome.
MrNightmare:12monthsago
Ican'twadethroughalltheresponseshereeffectively,butingeneralabuse
isabiggertopicthanEroticHypnosis.Ifwedescribedthisinsomeotherway
withdifferenttoolsusedtocontrolthevictim,thenitmightbeeasiersince
peopleseemtothinkthatitisthetoolandnottheparticipantsthatmatter.
Howeverabusersandpredatorssearchforpartnersthataregoingtobeeasy
forthemtousetheirparticularskillsettocontrol.Theywilldothingsthat
reducetheresourcesavailabletothepartneruntiltheyaredependentand
vulnerable,andfullyundertheircontrol.
Itiseasytosaythesubjectisresponsibleforprotectingthemselves,andthat
isgenerallytrueofallabuse,butthesubjectisnottoblame.
Asforwhatwecandoforourfriends,encouragethemtorecognizethatjust
becausesomeoneispayingattentiontothemandgivingthemcaredoesn't
meantheyarenecessarilybeingresponsible,andpromoteresponsible
ethicalbehavioronbothsidesincludinggoodhabitsofconsentand
negotiationandreinforcementofagency.
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Ican'tspeakonthe@OP.IdoubtthatthehypnosiswastheONLY
componentherethatmadethishappen.IspecificallytellmypartnersthatI
wanttheirsubconscioustorejectthingseasily,andtobehonestwithmeand
communicative,butIthinkforsomepeoplewhogetinvolvedinhypnosis
(replacethatwithanyotherkinkyriskything)don'treallylearnabout
hypnosisfirst,andthereforetheirassumptionandpreconditioningareto
believethattheyare'bad'iftheyrejectstuff,andthatonlythrough
submissionisthehypnosisREAL.Thisissimilartobelievingthatonceyouare
tiedupyouloseallyourrightsbecauseyouhaveagreedtogiveupcontrol
overyourbody,andyouareabadbottomifyoucomplain,orifthepartner
doessomethingthatyoudidn'tagreeon.Someinexperiencedtops/bottoms
thinkthisistrue,anditmaybetrueforthem,butifyouwanttotake
advantageofmanyyearsofefforttomakekink/bdsm/fetishstuffacceptable
aspartofmainstreamculture,includingconsentandpropercommunication
protocols,itcanmakeiteasiertorecognizewhensomeoneisconfusing
fantasywithreality.
Inthiscaseitsoundslikebothpartnersweredoingso.
Ifyoufeellikeyoucan'ttalktoyourfriendsorsomeoneaboutwhatyouare
doing,thenitsprobablyabadidea.
David
ButIthinkit'sveryunethicalforonehypnotisttoputablockinplacesoother
hypnotistscannolongertouchasubject
Whyonearthwoulditbeunethicaltoputaboundaryinplace?It'sno
differentthandecidingortellingyourslavetonotplaywithanyoneelse.
Bryanputblocksandlayersofprotectioninalmostimmediately.Ithoughtit
wassilly,butwouldn'tyouknow,almostimmediatelyIranintoother
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hypnotistswhojustcouldn'tbehappywithallthefuntheywereallowedand
ranafoulofthoseprotections.
SoifyourethicsmeanIcan'tputwallsinplaceandsaynotopeople,wellyou
cangosomeplaceelsetoenjoythem.
Myethicssaynohypnotistcandecideforyouwhoyoushouldorshouldn't
playwith.Thatisyourprerogative.Ifanyblocksshouldbeinplace,you
shouldbeincontrolofthem.
Wrath,apparentlyyourethicsdon'tincludemyrighttotransferthatchoice
toanother?
Onechallengehereisthatanyrandompersonislikelytomeetanunethical
hypnotistlongbeforetheydiscoverourguidelinesfordeterminingwhether
thehypnotistisethical.
Anyideasforgettingtheconceptofethicalerotichypnosisintopublicview?
OrjustintoGoogle'sview?
D
Ithinkthereasonforthe"itisunethicaltoputblocksinplace"logicisthat
canbecontrollingandoftenabusivebehaviorwiththeintentofcuttingthe
subjectoffthesupportfromother.AsdemonstratedintheOP.
Clearly,helpingsubjectsputtheirownboundariesinplacesothattheycan
choosetogointotranceandwhichsuggestionstoacceptmoreconsciously
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makesperfectsense,andisindeedhighlyethical.Adoorforwhichtheyhave
thekey,etc.IdidsomethinglikethatformyselfwhichIliketothinkofas
"observermode"whenfollowingotherhypnotists:seehowIwouldreactbut
stillbeingabletolearnandsnapoutofit,etc.
Also,hypnoblocksdon'tworkifthesubjectwantsthehypnosistowork.And
atrainedtherapistcan"unlock"anysubjectwiththeirconsentforjustthat
reason.Andprobablyaskilledbutabusivehypnotistcanfindwaysaround
evenabenignblockifthesubjectiscooperating"toomuch"andreliesonthe
blockinsteadoftheirgoodjudgmenttoprotectthem.
isthatcanbecontrollingandoftenabusivebehaviorwiththeintentof
cuttingthesubjectoffthesupportfromother
Socaneveryandanykinkyordominantrelationship.
Idon'tcareifthereareassholesouttherewhoabusepeoplebyhittingthem,
it'snotabusiveorunethicalforatoptospankaconsentingbottom.Orto
orderthemtostayhome.Ortolimitwhotheyplaywith.
ThefactthatsomepeopledoshitabusivelywillNEVERtrumpmyauthorityto
transferwhateverbloodyhellIwant,includingpossessionofmyself,my
belongings,mytime.Themomentyoutakethataway,youmayaswelljust
saywecan'tsignanycontractatallforourselves.
slap882slap882:12monthsago
AsithasbeensaidbeforeHypnosiswascertainlynottheonlyingredientfor
theallegedabuseoftheOP.
Thepowerofhypnosisisoftenbothoverandunderrated.Hypnosisalone
will,inmostcases,notallowseriousabusetotakeplacethatwould
otherwisenothavehappenedatall.
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Ittakestwotodance,andwhileusinghypnosistofacilitateabuseis
absolutelyf.......meanandimmoralthereisanelementofcooperationthata
victimofabusemustsupplyinorderforabusetowork.Thisisnotintended
tobevictimblamingatall,butratherawarningtothosewhotendtobe
easilyvictimizedtowatchoutforwhomtheychosetoplaywith.
AsfarashypnosisisconcernedIhavesofartakenitforgrantedthatitdoes
takesomewillpoweroraprimordialthreat(fire,seriousinjury,oncoming
truck...)tosnapoutofhypnosisinducedtranceandgointosurvivalmode
instead.Butitcertainlyispossible.
BigBadBird,ifyouhadreadtherestofmypost,you'dhavenoticedthatIwas
merelytryingtoputthecommentmadeaboveintothecontextoftheOP,
whereitdoesmakesense.
Ifyouwanttosignawayyourcontrol,bemyguest.I'mverymuchinfavour
ofthatbeingdonebyotherpeople;)
"helpingsubjectsputtheirownboundariesinplacesothattheycanchoose
togointotranceandwhichsuggestionstoacceptmoreconsciouslymakes
perfectsense,andisindeedhighlyethical.Adoorforwhichtheyhavethe
key"
ThatiswhatIwastryingtoaskhowtodo.HonestlyIhadnotheardofself
hypnobeforeWrathsaiditandthereforewasundertheimpressionthata
hypnotistcouldhelpputthatinplacewithpermission,consentandhaving
beenrequestedto.
@slap882IcannotspeaktotheOPsexperience,butpeoplecanbevery
manipulativeandIdoubtthatithappenedinaweekor2.Someonecould
slowlyintegrateintoanotherslifeandstartslowlyimplementingthings
describedintheOPoverthecourseofmonthsonadailybasis,meeting
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friendsandfamilyseeminglikeanormalrelationshipwhichineveryway
outsideitwouldbe.Tricklethemoneyawayuntilitsallgoneandinyourown
account.Then"breakupwithher"andleavebythetimeshesnapsoutofit
andrealizeswhatjusthappened,youarelonggone.Evenmore,thelawdoes
notrecognizehypnosisasalegitthing,friendsandfamilymaynoteither."it
takestwotodance"thatphrasealwaysremindsmeofacowboyholdinga
gunsaying"danceyousonofadog"andshootingatsomeonesfeet.
BlackKiltedBlackKilted:12monthsago
Ihavehadasubjecttellmeatthebeginningofoursessionsthathetendedto
blackoutandhavenoknowledgeofwhatwasbeingsaid.Iinsertedthe
abilityforhimtorememberwhatwasbeingsaidevenifhissubconscious
triedtoblockit.
Ifeltfromanethicalstandpoint,itwastherightthingtodountilthatlevelof
trustwasestablished.
BKS
lyclyc:12monthsago
Peopleinhypnosisgenerallyhaveallthecontrolthattheyusuallyhavewhen
they'renothypnotized.Theemphasisthereisimportant.Ifsomeoneis
willingtogiveupcompletecontroltoanotherwhenthey'renothypnotized,
thentheymayalsobewillingtogiveupcompletecontrolwhentheyare
hypnotized.
Itdoesn'trequireaseriousthreattopersonalsafetyforsomeonetoemerge
themselvesfromhypnosis.Youseeitdoneallthetimeinstagehypnosis
shows.Peopleonstageareaskedtodosomethingthatisbeyondtheirlimits,
andtheyrefuse,emergethemselves,andarehelpedoffthestagebyan
assistant.Ithappensallthetime.I'vehadacoupleofclientssuddenly
rememberthattheyhaveanappointmentthatconflictswithour
hypnotherapyappointmentduringasessionandemergethemselvessothat
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theycouldcallandstraightenthingsoutwiththeirnextappointment.The
clientisincontrolatalltimes.
Professionalhypnotistsgenerallyconsiderthe"hypnoticseal"or"hypnotic
lock"tobeunethical.Wealsoknowhowtobreakthroughthem.They'rea
paininthebutt,butthey'renotanabsolutecontrolmechanism.Andthere's
nothingtostopanabusivehypnotistfromputtingoneinplacetotrytokeep
his"toy"forhim/herself.
Allofthatsaid,thehypnotistdescribedbytheOPerisscum.Evencertified
professionalhypnotistsknownottoplaywithageregressioniftheyhaven't
hadspecifictraininginhowtodoitcorrectly.Itsoundslikehesystematically,
intentionallycausedharm.Italsosoundslikehecouldhavedonepretty
muchthesamewithoutinvolvinghypnosis.
@Freeandsingle:Don'tbeashamedofbeingeasytohypnotize.EVERYBODYis
easytohypnotize.Theoneswhodenythatthemostaretheoneswhoare
mostofteninatrancestateoftheirownmaking.I'msorrythatyouwere
abusedandIhopeyou'vebeenabletofindhelptogetthingsstraightened
out.Iknowethicalpeopleinyourareawhocanhelpyou.Feelfreeto
messageme.
@CamoSutra
Nicelyput.
@theWrath
Idon'twanttotalkaboutblame,Iwanttotalkaboutwhatwecandoto
helppeoplenotfallintothistrap.
Negativegoalthere.Soyouwantpeopletonot
fallintothistrap
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Outthepredators.
Whogetstodefine"predator"orwhomightbeone?
Educatethecommunity.
Well,sure.Buteducatethemwhichway?Mine?Yours?Whogetstodecide
that?
We'renotdiscussingfunerotichypnosis,weretalkingaboutpeoplewho
intentionallytrytohurt,evendestroysomeone'smindintentionallyor
carlessly,knowingthattheyhavecrossedtheline.
Arewe?IthoughtwewerediscussingtheOPandperhapsthelevelof
complicityorresponsibilitytheOPhadforcreatingtheexperiencethey've
described.Although,ifthispostwassincere,(Idon'treallyknowthatit
wasn't),thenitmaybetoosoonintheirrecoveryforthatsortofdiscussion
tobeusefultothem.(Itmaystillbeusefultothegroup,though).
I'mnotsureweknowenoughabouttheOP'ssituationtodeterminetheir
partner'sintentionsbeyondafewblindguesses.Andeventhoseguesses
wouldbepureprojection.
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Seductor:12monthsago
Trueenough.Wedonotknoweitherway
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Arewe?Ithought...perhaps...Although,if...Idon'treallyknow...itmay
be...Itmay...
I'mnotsure...thoseguesses...pureprojection.
Aheckofalotofspeculationgoingonhere.
Whatareyousaying?
GiventhatIsuggesttoallmypartners,whetheronetimeorlongtermorin
betweenthattheycancomeoutoftranceforanyreason,thattheycan
rejectsuggestionsfromanyoneincludingme,andothersafety/responsibility
measures,evensoIwilltellthemIplantodoso.Evengivingsafety
encouragementIfirstdiscussitoutsideoftrance.Iregularlychecktomake
suremypartnersstillunderstandtheirresponsibility.
Ifthenatureofsomeonesrelationshipistogiveupsomeoftheir
responsibilitytomakecertainchoices,andaspartofthatitincludeshypnotic
instruction,aslongastheyareawareofitandalsohavetheexplicitand
clearlystatedrighttoendboththeagreement,theblockandthe
relationship,thenitisasethicalasitneedstobe.Whatthespecificsareof
whichrightsarebeinghandedtoanotherarenotallthatimportant.However
evenbeingacceptingofeveryone'sdifferentdefinitionofwhohas
responsibility,youdohavearesponsibilitytogiveyourselftosomeonewho
ISgoingtotakecareofyou,andabuseisstillathingevenifsomeonestarts
offnonabusively.
Idon'tactuallybelieveinblocksandsealsandsuchbecauseIamabsolutely
positivethatthesubconsciousiscapableofgettingwhatitwants,andwhile
theremaybenegativeexperiencefromviolatingsomeblock,itisn'tenough
tochangethefactthatpeoplewhohaveLIFELONGrestrictionsdrilledinto
them,stillmayviolatethemiftheyaremotivated.
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Inourcommunity,fetishism,kinketc.,thenatureofinstructionslikethatare
apermissiontorestrictonesactivities.Itislikesayingyouhavetoaskyour
(boss,mom,wife,etc.)first.Itgivesyouamethodtorejectandstillfeel
sociallyappropriate.Forsubmissiveandthelike,beingabletohave
reinforcementfortheirchoicetorestricttheirbehaviorishelpful.Itallows
themtofeelgoodwhilerejectingsomeone(sorryIcan't,Iammarried).
PersonallyIdon'tseeareasonforitifIinsteadjustsuggestthatsomeonecan
choosebutIamnotreallyrestrictiveinmyapproachtootherpeoples
activitiesingeneral.
@mrdreamIlikeyourapproachandwilladoptit.
Newbiesoftendon'tknowwhatquestionstoaskofahypnotisttocheckout
integrity.AlltheyknowisthataHputspeopleintoatranceandgetsthemto
dofunnythingsonthestage.
Theydon'tseehypnoisisasbeingharmful,butmayworrythatthehypnotist
maybeabletoputaspellonthemandgetthemnakedwithoutpermission.
Nakednessisaperceivedembarrassmentthatfeelsscarytothemjustfrom
thinkingofitasapossibility.
Thepretalkofdealingwithasubjectsperceivedbeliefs/mythsabout
hypnosiscanaleviatefears.Itissomethingyoushouldnotskipifyouhopeto
havemorethanonesessionwithaclient.
Asalespersonhastoactwithintegrityandempathytogetasale,soshoulda
Hypnotist.
Ifyougiveyourclientareallygoodexperience,theymaygiveyoumore
licenceinfuturesessions.
JenMonsterJenMonster:12monthsago
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"Newbiesoftendon'tknowwhatquestionstoaskofahypnotisttocheckout
integrity."
Thisisverytrue.Justathoughtintothevettingprocessalsofromanon
hypnotist,thatfromwhatIhaveseen,nearlyeveryonewhyhypnotizesis
quiteproudoftheirabilitytomaketheirsubjectrelaxedandatease.It'skind
ofanecessaryskill.Soaskingtheconsumersofhypnotismtoaskcareful
questionsisagreatthing,butimportanttoalsolettheconsumersknowthat
youareaskingquestionsofsomeonewhoisspecificallytrainedtoand
focusedonmakingyourelaxedandcomfortable.Justtalkingtothemuntil
youfeelcomfortablewiththemisnotgoodadvice.Wealsoneedtoknow
whatitlookslikewhenlanguageisbeingusedtoinfluencetheprocess
beforepermissionisgiven.
SeveralpeoplefromthisgroupcontactedmebyprivatemessagewhenIfirst
joined,andafewofthemwereverykind,offeringtoanswerquestionsand
doublecheckmyexperiencesasIexplored,withoutpressuringmetotrance
withthem.Ihadagreatappreciationforthatandithelpedmegetalotof
insightintohypnosis,aswellasmyexperiencewithit.Ihopethatsortof
guidancestaysopenforothersastheybegintoexploretoo.
Youhypnotisechildrenbyputtinglabelsontheirheads.Thechildrenina
certainclassweretoldatthebeginningoftheyearthattheyhadbeen
allocatedlockernumbersfrom135basedontheirintelligence.Thechildren
rankedthatwayinsomeexamstheTeachergavethemsometimelater.
Afewweekslater,theTeacherapologisedforabigmistakethathadbeen
made,anditshouldhavebeenthechildrenwiththehighestnumbersthat
werethebrightest.Afewweekslateranothertest,andthebrighterkids
becamethedumberkids,andviceversus.
Aweeklaterthechildrenweregivennewlockersinanotherroomandthe
teachersaidthenumbershadnothingtodowithintelligence.Afterthat
childrenscoredtheirtrueabilitiesinexams.
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Yourwordscanhurtpeopleorforcethemtobelessthantheirpotential.
Whenyoustarttofindfaultwithyourspouse,youcanturnyourmarriageto
custard.
Itisbesttoputagoodlabelonabadkid,andpraisethemeverytimethey
liveuptothatlabel.YouvituallyLEADTHEIRMINDtocraveyourkindwords
fromreachingthepedestalyouhavesetforthem.
Ifyouactfromkindness,youcantrancepeoplerathereasily,becausethey
trustyouandletyouintotheirspace(andoftenintotheirhead).
Itispossibletomakeupsomefakecertificatesand"dressaroom"tolook
professionaltotrickaclientintobelievingyouaretherealMcCoy,butifthey
senseyouareuptonogood,youwillhavetohavesometricksupyour
sleevetoputthemintotrance.
Astagemagicianasksforvolunteers,so70%oftheresistanceisturnedoff
whentheyleavetheirseatandwalktowardsyou.
"volunteer"issuchapowerfulenergyfortrance.
WhygoaDoctorifyouwon'tfollowhisadviceonhowtogetwellagain?
HypnoWyzardHypnoWyzard:11monthsago
@mrtomsfanI'mwaylatetothisthread,butIhadanideaforwhatyou're
askingaboutafewyearsagoandImadeandpostedanMP3onWMMcalled
Watcher.Itcreatesalittleprotectivepartoftheunconsciousthatkeepsan
eyeonunwantedsuggestionsandallowssubjectstoremove,restrictor
ignoreanytriggersorsuggestionsatanytime.Althoughthatabilityisalready
presentalotofpeoplesuccessfullyconvincethemselvesitisn'tsomyfile
makesitexplicit.
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Sorry@mrtomsfaRM
FreeandsingleFreeandsingle:11monthsago
OKTHEPOINTOFMYDISCUSSIONWASTOWARNPEOPLETHATALTHOUGH
EROTICHYPNOSISSOUNDSFUN,ITCANALSOBEDANGEROUS.....THISISNOT
AJOKE...READINGURCOMMENTSABOUTKIDNEYSETC.......YOUHAVENO
IDEAOFWHATTHISCANDOTOPEOPLE.AMANWITHANEVILNARCISSISTIC
MINDCANUSEHYPNOSISFORHISOWNBENEFIT....TOABUSETOSTEALTO
CAUSEPAIN.....IAMTHEVICTIMOFTHISSOINSTEADOFNOTTALKING
ABOUTIT,IWANTEDTOSHAREMYEXPERIENCE......ITSNOTFUNNYANDIT'S
NOTAJOKE......
It'snotajoke.Igetthat.ButifIwasintobondage,anevilriggercouldtieme
up,rapemeandstealallmymoneytoo.MostBDSMstuffisdangerous,that
doesn'tmeanwe'llstopplaying.Therearewaysforyoutostarthealingand
therearethingswecandotostaysafe.Likevetthepeopleweplaywith.
@Freeandsingle
TherewerealotofpeoplewhorespondedtothismessagebesidestheWrath.
Yourparticipationinthisthreadhasbeenminimalatbestdespiteyou
startingit.Ifyouwanttodiscusshowpeoplecanbestprotectthemselves
thatisgreat,butifyourgoalisjusttouseyourexperiencetopersuade
peoplenottodothis,thenitislikegoingintoarestaurantandscreaming
thatyoucanchoke.Safety,ethics,andothermattersarediscussedpretty
regularly.Therearestickiestoremindpeopleaboutsafetyandethics.
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Ifyoufeeltherearethingsthatcanbedonetohelppeopleavoidsomebad
experience,Iappreciatehearingmore.
David
<<Ifyoufeeltherearethingsthatcanbedonetohelppeopleavoidsomebad
experience,Iappreciatehearingmore.>>
IviewFreeandsingle'sintentionasacryforhelpor,atleast,abitof
knowledgefromthoseexperiencedinthematterofhypnosis,for
understanding.Shenowhasadilemma...aCatch22situationinthatshe
loveshypnosis,butshe'safraidoftotallysurrenderingtotheprocess.Ifshe
couldactuallydoasyousuggestanddescribe"thingsthatcanbedoneto
helppeopleavoidsomebadsituation",thethrustofherpostingwouldhave
beendifferent.
lucidpsilucidpsi:11monthsago
IamrespondingONLYtotheOP'soriginalpost....frommyownexperiences.
Ididn'tknowthefirstthingabouthypnosiswhenIwasfirsttranced.Iwas
goingthroughatraumatictimeinmylife(2009).Icanbetotallyopenabout
allofthisnowbecauseeverydetailisimportant.
Iworkedasaterritorymanagerover24stores&hungaroundwithmykidsat
home...themall,yaknow...vanillaashell.IwasinvolvedinthelocalUU&
highlyrespectedinthepagancommunity&businesscommunity.Ihadno
timeforhypnosisoranythingbutmykidsreally.
Iwasinthewrongplaceatthewrongtime...
Thehypnotistdidn'ttellmetheywereahypnotist.Theywereprofessional&
toldmethattheyhaddevelopedsomethingbasedongestaltprinciples...and
neededpeoplewillingtobesubjects.Iwasdesperate.Ididn'tgotoanyone
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localbecauseofthepeopleinvolvedintheoriginaltrauma....andhereally
seemedlegit.Ifnothingelse...itgavemesomeonetotalktoaboutallofit
withoutjudgement.Ididn'twanttosharewithmyfriends.Ispokeindepth
withthispersonuntilonedayIhadameltdown...
Thatmorning...uponarrivinghome,Ispokewithhim.Infact...therewas
someoneelseontheline.Ithinkawomanifmybotchedmemoryhelps.
Fromthatmomenton...slaveryisallIhavelived.Althoughabstractatfirst...I
am24/7now.
Pleasedon'tgetmewrong...Idon'twanttogoback.Ibelievethatmynew
path&lifewithmyMasterisamazing.....Myintroductiontothislifestyle&
hypnosiswasnot.....therewereseveralpeoplewhomadeitmuchworseby
eitherfeedingintowhathadbeendone....ORattemptingtohijackitfortheir
ownpleasure.Whateverthecase...itwaswithoutregardtowhathad
happenedtogetmetothatpoint.Seekinghelpinthehypnosiscommunity
wasareallybadideaforme.
Thankfully...strictone...mymentor,pulledmeout&basicallyhelpedme
figureoutwhatIwanted...andthenledmethere.Iamlucky.
Ifeelbadlyforwhat'shappenedtoyou&Idon'tfaultyou.Iwastoldtospeak
toaprofessionalover&over....andtheywereright.Ididn'tlistenthough.If
youhavetheability...educateyourself.Taketime&learnselfhypnosisfirst.
Youdoknow...whatYOUwant&neednow.Goingback....ifyou'reableto
lookatthisfromanewperspective.Youcannowchoosewhatpartsyou
wanttokeep...whatyoulove,thosetraitsthatmakeyou...intrinsicallyyou.
Youhavethatabilitynow.
It'samazingwhenthatrealizationcomes.You'llprobablyneverseethe
monetarylossesagain....Ya,Iwastakenforcashtoo.Itsucks,buttheworst
ispastnow.
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BTW....ILOVEhypnosisstill&havelearnedwho'ssafe&who'snot....andam
farmoreeducatedaboutitthanmany.Hangaroundlongenough&people
eventuallybecomethemselves.
Forwhatit'sworththisthreadandMasterFlex'sPMcoachinghasleadmeto
amethodthatIthinkreallyhelpsprotectmine.Fullconciousmemoryofall
inductions,itwasn'thardtoputinplaceandensureshersafetyfrommyself
orothers.
Iguesswehavetoreallyknowforourselveswhatwe'rewillingtorisk.Inmy
currentrelationship....I'mriskingeverything.ItrustHimentirely.Ican'tsay
thatforpasthypnoticpartners.Forme....consciousmemoryofeverything
would=boring.Themysteryofwhatmightcomeupatanygiventime...the
surprise...isbreathtaking!Idon'tthinkthisissomethingthatshouldhappen
forjustanyonethathypnotizesmethough.
AsfarastheOPisconcerned...Sheobviouslytrustedthispersonentirely.To
movetoanothercountry...andbeleftwithnothing?Really...thisisaboutas
terribleasitcanget,butitcanhappeninanonhypnoticrelationshiptoo.
Onceawareofwhat'shappening...yes,itisourresponsibilitytoprotect
ourselves.Creatinga"safepoint"likeonacomputer...works.Itallowsusto
playaswelike...andpoof!BacktopointAifsomethinggoesawry.Even
seasonedhypnotistscanmakemistakes...touchonthingsthatcouldcause
abreactions.Andabreactionsdon'talwayshitwhilethesubjectisunder...it
couldbe2weekslater.(that'sanothersubject)
Responsibility=Educatingself.
Nowthatsheknowswhatdangersthereare...shecanchoose.
are_you_happyare_you_happy:11monthsago
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Thehypnosishereisonefacetofadeliberatebetrayalseeminglymotivated
bysexualcontrolandfinancialgain.Wemustnotlosesightofthefactthat
similarbetrayalshavebeenmetedonvictimsjustaseffectivelywithoutthe
useofhypnosis.Indeedtherearemanywellpublicisedcasesofpeoplebeing
financiallyruined,andleftbrokenhearted,byevilindividualsthatusedating
sitestobefriendpeopleseekinglove.Unfortunatelythereareevilpeoplein
theworldandwheneverwebecomeintimatewithsomeonethereisasmall,
minuteinfact,riskthatthatpersonisusingusforgainattheirexpense.
Asfortheconceptofahypnotic'block'preventingsomeoneevergettinghelp
fromanalternativehypnotist,allIcansayisrubbish.Therearegoodreasons
whysuchablockmay'work'butthesearealldependentonthesubject
wantingtofeelunabletoescapeitsgraspandsuchcaveatsareincongruent
withamindthathaswokenuptoabetrayal.Hypnosisisaboutempowering
amindtofulfilthingsthoughtdifficultorimpossible.Anyonewhowantedto
breakanysuchblockcouldeasilybeguidedtodoso.Breakingitwouldnot
evenneeddeeptrancetoachieve,guidedimageryandhelpreevaluating
beliefsisallthatisneeded.
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hypnosisfororgasms
bygreyrising8monthsago
Isitpossibletotolearntoorgasmthroughhypnosis?Icannotclimaxonmy
ownandwouldliketolearnifitispossibletodoso.Ihavehadafeworgasms
inmylife,butallduringrelationswithapartner.Iamnotlookingfora
relationship,justawayfindareleaseandtohaveanorgasm.Ihavelearned
thatiamabletobehypnotized,butneverexploredthisarea.Ihaveafearof
losingcontrolandthereforeamunabletoreachmygoal.Ifinditdifficultto
trustsomeonewithsomuchcontrolovermeunlessawellestablished
foundationexistsoisitpossibletoselfhypnotize?Ifanyonecanrefermeto
therightresourcesIwouldbeextremelygrateful.
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Responses(13of13)
Ilearnedtomasturbateandclimaxusingselfhypnosis,sowhatyou'reasking
isverypossible.Youdoseemtohavesomemisconceptionsabouthypnosis,
soIsuggestyoudosomereadingonthesubject.
Learningtomasturbatetoaclimaxusingselfhypnosisisjustlikeanything
elseyoucanteachyourselfthroughselfhypnosis:itrequiresalittlereading
(onegoodbookcouldsuffice)andahoursofpractice.Andconviction.
Vashal_VulpasVashal_Vulpas:8monthsago
Alsoasmanyinthisgroupcantellyouhypnosisiscapableoftrainingoneto
cumoncommand.Itseemsthatthisisactualyoneofthemorecommonuses
inaneroticcontext.
BlaydwingBlaydwing:8monthsago
I'vetrainedafewwomentobeabletocum,notjustoncommand.I'vealso
taughtothershowtocumeasierratherthanhavethemleftunsatisfiedafter
sex.
Ifinditfascinatinghowhypnosisissofoundedinbelief,expectationand
trustandhowparallelthatisfororgasm,moresowithwomen.Iwassadly
typicalinbeingunabletoorgasmatallforalongtimeandwhenIfinallydidit
wasstilladifficultthornyissueIwasverytouchyandinsecureover.Imade
suretoletcasualpartnersknowitwasoffthetable.Orgasmwasallabout
emotionalsecurityforme.
ThenImetHypnoguruandbytheendofdinnerknewIwoulddoanythingto
gethimtocometomyroom.Andafterafewhoursofhypnosiswork
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(includinggettingmeunderasIusedtoalsoconsidermyselfoneofthose
"difficultsubjects"outthere)Icouldorgasmeasily,fully,oncommand,and
hadcompleteconfidenceandsecurityinthatpleasure.
Ihaddonetheworkonmyselftobereadyforthatexperience,hehandedit
tomeandIranwithit(andstraighttohim).
BabySoulCrusherBabySoulCrusher:8monthsago
Hypnosiscanbeusedtomakeoneorgasm.
Iamsureselfhypnosiscanworkaswell.
IwouldhonestlysuggestbrowsingsomeYoutubevideosonthesubject.
SINthiaSINthia:8monthsago
Ownerusedtohavemecumoncommandwasbadwhenwewereoutto
dinnerorshopping
Maikeru_1981Maikeru_1981:8monthsago
Yes,hypnosisisabletomakeoneorgasmandthemostinterestingthingis
thatyoucangetdifferentkindoforgasmsfromhypnosis.So,fromamale
perspectiveabsolutelyyesandforwomanIdon'tthinkthereisamajor
differenceasalotofitisamatterofhowyourmindworks.
Therearehypnosisfilesoutthere(alotofthemfree)andyoutubenowadays
hastoofferitsfairshareofhypnosisvideostoo.Ifyouarereallyskeptical,
justlistentothemainpartfirst(somethingIalwaysrecommendforfree
mp3files).
Intheworstcase,therearesexualhealthsitesouttherethatofferhypnosis
scriptsyoucanrecordyourselfforfree(ifyouliketoputtheworkandenergy
intoit),sotrustshouldbenoissuejustGoogle:
Femaleorgasmhypnosisscript
andyoushouldfindasomesites.
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RenegadePadmaRenegadePadma:8monthsago
Frommyexperienceselfhypnosisandmp3sareoflimitedvalue.Youseem
tounderstandwhatisholdingyouback,soyouarehalfwayinfindinga
solution.Havealookatthevideoonthispage:
http://renegadehypnotist.com
Regards
Oneorgasm?Try,morelike'manyorgasms'!Lol,sorry,couldn'tresist.Yes,
hypnosismayhelpyouunlockthatabilitywithinyou
MissIsisMissIsis:8monthsago
ThisisoneofthepresentationsIwillbepresentingatCONVENTIONifyouare
abletomakeit.
EnhancingSexualPleasurethroughEroticHypnosisMissIsis:Enhancing
sexualpleasure,makingityourowntouseinyourrelationshipswithothers
andself.
Ihadgoneforaperiodofyearswithoutasexualrelationship.Throughthe
useofhypnosis,Iwasabletoremedythat.Iwasabletolearntocum
instantlythroughhypnosis,andevenbetter,Ihavebeenabletotakethis
skill,makeitmyownanduseitwheneverandwhereverIwantorfeelthe
needforitwithandwithoutapartner.Thismightsoundunbelievabletoyou,
butIhavebeenknowntocumsilentlyinthemiddleofacrowdedairplane.
Ireallyenjoybeingabletoteachpeoplehowtotapintothatkindofpleasure
andbeabletoexperiencepowerfulorgasmstheyneverdreamedtheywould
beabletoachieve.
Hmm,thatgivesawholenewmeaningtothe'milehiclub'
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Yes,itispossible.
YoumightalsowanttolookintowesternTantrawhichgenerallyhasmore
consistentresultsinthisarea,IMO.
AnythingAlexAnythingAlex:8monthsago
Itabsolutelycan.
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DefenseagainsttheDarkArts
byMrDanger9monthsago
Whataresometechniquesinhelpingpeoplewhoareextremely'easyto
trance'(somnambulists)todefendthemselves?
By'defense'Imeanskillsortoolsthatwouldkeepsomeonefromjustwalking
upandsaying"sleep"(anextremeexamplepurposelyused)andhavingthem
nodoff.
Or,keepingthemfromseeingsomeonecasuallyonlytohavethatperson
trancethemintowantingtohavegreaterfeelingforthem,befreeerwith
themorevenhavesex.....ormore.
HypnotistsallLOVEagoodsomnambulist...theyarefunandeasytowork
with.
Thisthreadisaboutprotectingthem...
Don'taskadditionalquestions....
Don'tposehypotheticals.
DOdescribeandoffertechniquesthatyouhaveused(orheardof)thathelp
peopleinthissituation.
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Theideahereistokeepthemfrombecomingprey.
Let'suseourcollectivewisdomtohelp.
Previous123Next
Responses(150of136)
Ioftensuggestsomnambulistswearmirroredsunglassesandconstantlyloop
"RowRowRowYourBoat"intheirheads,toprotectthemfromunwanted
trance.
Stopreinforcingthattheyneedprotectingexternallyandstartreinforcingwe
areallcompletelyabletostoptranceandsticktowhatwevalue.Promote
selfawarenessandselfcleansing.
MrDangerMrDanger:9monthsago
@hypnaughtyist
Atleastyou'reconsistent.Ifthereisnothingtosay,you'llsayit.
Trybeingasinformativehereasyouareinyourowngroup.
Taketurns3412Taketurns3412:9monthsago
Chooseakeywordthatonewillnothearindailyconversation...ie;aclassical
composersname,followedbythefingersnap...ThaTWaytheclientisnot
likelytohearitontheradio...eventheclassicalmusicstation.
@MrDanger:Idon'tbelievetheprey/predatormetaphorisuseful.Similarly
theimageryofdefence/attackers.
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AsLuckyAsuggests,reinforcingtheimageryofpersonalpowerregardlessof
thedegreeofsuggestibilityismoreefficacious.
@Taketurn3412:Would"JuliusFuk"beagoodcomposersnametouse,
assumingthatthesomnambulistnameisnotJuliusofcourse?
Idoknowseveralpeoplewhoaresohighlysuggestiblethattheyhave
discoveredtoolatethatsomeonewasmuckingaroundintheirheads.Seems
reasonabletohelpthemfindandfixthegapsintheirarmor,sotheycanbe
fullydiscerning,consentingpartners.
Ifinditisreallyusefultotalkwiththesubconsciousaboutthetask.
Inacoupleofcases,Ihavepointedoutandsuggesteddisarmingveryold
obediencetriggersthatwereconditionedintothembypartnersorabusers.
Inanothercase,Isuggestedthatsheassignhypnosisplaytoamental
'playground',sothatnothingsaidordonetherewouldremainineffectafter
shecamebackfromrecess.
Iagreethateveryonehasthetoolstokeepthemselvessafeandfreefrom
unwantedsuggestions.Butnoteveryoneknowsit,orknowswherethetools
arekept.
D
Zest200Zest200:9monthsago
BigBadBird:
Youareabsolutelycorrect.
Toooftenwethinkofothersasbeingbrokenandneedingtobefixedor
helpedorprotectedwhentheseactionsactuallymakethingsworseasitnot
onlyreinforcestheirselfimageissues,itaddsourownoutlookontheir
situation.Itdoesn'tmatterifwearetalkingabouthypnoteesorsubsor
peoplewithfailedrelationships.Feedsomeoneandyouwillhavetobethere
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everydaytofeedthem.Teachthemtofishandtheywillbeabletofeed
themselveswhetherwearearoundornot.
Thisisnottosaythatweshouldturnablindeyetothosethatneed/want
help.Justthatweshouldhelpthemgettoaplacewheretheycandealwith
issuesthemselves.
@Zest
Thisisnottosaythatweshouldturnablindeyetothosethatneed/want
help.Justthatweshouldhelpthemgettoaplacewheretheycandealwith
issuesthemselves.
Great....how?
Whattechniquedoyou..orwouldyouuse(apartfromwhatAlbatrossalready
suggested)?
Stopreinforcingthattheyneedprotectingexternallyandstartreinforcing
weareallcompletelyabletostoptranceandsticktowhatwevalue.
That.
Asahighlysuggestibleperson,Isomehowfinditveryeasynottotrance
whenIdon'twantto,andtorejectsuggestionsIdon'tlike.I'mnotsurehow
thatworksinconcordancewithyourtheoryonsomnambuliststhough...
Ithinkit'susefulforanyhypnosubtolearnsomeselfhypnosisandto
establishadialoguewiththeirownsubconscious.Nohypnotistisneededfor
that.Youcanpractiveityourself.Checkwithyoursubconsciousifyou'reboth
onthesamepageaboutwhototrustandlimitsandsuch.Itseemstobe
workingfoneforme.
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Alwaysletthehypnosubknowthateveryonecanalwaysstoptrancing
whenevertheywant.Everyone.Yes,thatruinsthe"fallinghelplesslyunder
mythrall"fantasy.AndasahypnofetishistI'mstillstrugglingwithhowto
somehowgetthatback.Roleplay,probably.ButIdefinitelyadviseagainst
trancingwithanyonewhoisundertheimpressionthatthesubatsomepoint
losesallcontrol.
Stopreinforcingthattheyneedprotectingexternallyandstartreinforcing
weareallcompletelyabletostoptranceandsticktowhatwevalue.
Promoteselfawarenessandselfcleansing.
Yes,that.
Oraposthypnoticsuggestionboltinginhypnoexclusivitysothatonlyyou
cantaketheirwalletorsexuallyharassthem.
hubbyhasitinmymindthatonlyheandIhavetoconfirmbyvisualandvoice
itishimcanhypnotizemesonooneelsecanseehoweasyitis.ButwhenI
feelitandnotwanttogounderIwastoldtobiteonmytongue(nothard)
So,aquestion.
Isthereaconnectionbetweenthewaysomepeopleaskaquestionand
rejecttheanswers(orevensay"don'taskquestions,justdowhatIsay",and
howothersseemunabletosay"waitadamnminute,youdidn'thave
permissiontotrytopushmethere?
Ifso,opiehasthetools,andneedonlyconveythemtohispathetichypno
victim.Ifnot,IgotnothingIcaretoshareinTHIStopic.
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Ifmyattitudeproblemwithopie'swayofposingtheproblemistoofar
outsidegroupnorms,I'msureamodcandealwithit.Mypersonaldefense
againstidiotstryingtotwiddlemyheadareverylikemypersonaldefense
aroundwastingtimewiththosewhofeelentitledtohaveitalltheirway,and
IamnotpersuadedthatSpecialToolsareneededtorepeltheMagickof
Trance.
ToquoteGIG:WAKEUP!
I'vehadtotakethedrasticstepofjustnotspeakingtopeopleIknowcan
tranceme.Ithaskeptmefromsomeamazingfriends&evenknowing
everythingIknownow...agoodhypnotistcanhavemeundervery
easily...evenwithmyconstantinnervoicesaying"now'snotagoodtime"or
"ugh...notyou".
WhileIdothinkthatBigBadBirdisbasicallycorrect...it'sreallyeasytosayif
you'renotasomnambulist.It'sliketellingsomeonewithOCDthatwhat
they'redoingisbizarre&unnecessary...theyknowit,yetstillhavetodoit.
Andjustbecausesomeonetranceseasily...doesn'tasomnambulistmake
them.
IknowtheOPsaidnoquestions...butcoulditbethatthis"gift"canturnon
&offastoourcurrentstateofmind?Ijustremembermytotalinabilityto
resisttranceatonetime.Itreallywasbecomingowned&havinghyperfocus
onHimthatIwasfinallyabletonotfallinstantlyforanyone.
Now...withalotofknowledge&growthinmyownability...Ieitherget
annoyedwithpeoplewithnewbiesthattryit....orIkickitbackatthem....thus
reflectingwhatthey'redoingback.It'sisalsoawellknowntacticusedin
magickpractice.
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Ifyouknowyou'resogoodatgoingsodeep,whydon'tyouselfinstallhyper
awarenessandcomfortblocksforyourself?
MasterhadtoinstallblocksforhimbecauseIwasdroppingandgeneralizing
everytimeheputsomeoneunderorgotatimbreinhisvoice.Hewantedme
togounderwhenheintendedandcouldmonitor.So,afewwellworded
suggestionsofintentandviola!
Sounlessyouactuallydeeplywanttogoundersoeasilythatit'sworththe
sacrificeoffriendship,Iseesomnambulismbeingitsownsolution.
It'sliketellingsomeonewithOCDthatwhatthey'redoingisbizarre&
unnecessary...theyknowit,yetstillhavetodo
Andassomeonemoderatelyocd,no,youdon't.Itmaytakeyearsoftraining
andfocus,butocdbehaviorsaretrainedinandcanbetrainedout.Coping
mechanismsaboundandonceyouareawareoftheunderlyinganxietycause
links,morethanabletomakeprogresson.
Soasahypnotizedslavepropertywhocangoundereasilywithocd,Iamnot
justwavingafairywandandpretendingit'seasy.
ButIamsayingit'scompletelypossibleifsomeoneactuallywantstochange
andattheendofthedayisallaboutselfawarenessandempowerment.As
anothersaid,tryingtobeawhiteknightcanbeasdamagingasanythingelse
intermsofdisempowerment.
IagreewithLadyAlbatross.Someofushavetolearnthehardway.Ithink
breakingthemyththatanyonepersonhasthatmuchcontroloverthem,and
thattheyarehelplesstocountertheirdemandsorsuggestionsisagood
start.Andyes,itdoesreallyfeelgreattosubmittosomeonetotally,andnot
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havetodoanythingexceptenjoyablissfultrancestate.Andforsomeofus
hypnotists,thatcanbefunto,tohavesomeonesubmitthatmuchtous.
Idon'tthinkwehavetogivethatup.Itcanbefuntosubmittosomeonejust
becauseit'ssomethingweenjoy,orontheothersideofthecoin,itcanbe
reallyamazingtohavesomeonesubmittousthatisreallystrong.
Itreallyupsetsme,andIwillprobablygetalotofpeopleangryforsaying
this,butwhensubjectstellmetheirhypnotistimplanteda"safety"or
"suggestion"tokeepthemsafe&tokeepotherpeopleout.Ifeelitjustplays
intothewholeideathatgrownuppeopleneedtobeprotectedinsteadof
learningtoprotectthemselves.
Teachingthemwhattowatchoutfor,helpingthemtorealizejusthowstrong
theyreallyare,arethekindsoftechniquesIliketouse.AndifIwantthemto
submittoonlyme,Ineedtobeclearthatismyexpectation.
@Albatross
Canyousaymoreaboutthewordingofthatsuggestionfortheeducationof
thegroup?
Specifically,'whatdidhesay'?
NowyouarehittingontheessenceoftheOP.
LolIcouldn'trecallexactly.SomethingtotheeffectofonlygoinginwhenI
recognizeditwashisintentionformetodoso.ThatwhileImayalwayshave
sometrancestateinhispresence,Iwasexpectedtobeawareand
functioningonmysurroundingsunlesshespecifiedotherwise.
@MissIsis
Teachingthemwhattowatchoutfor,helpingthemtorealizejusthowstrong
theyreallyare,arethekindsoftechniquesIliketouse
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Forconsideration:
Aladyistalkingtoaguywhodoesnotprofesstobeahypnotist.Rather,heis
justaguywhoknowsa'awaytohelphertorelax'.Mindyou...heDOESknow
(fromtheirconversations)thatsheisveryinterestedinhypnosisandhasa
strongabilitytotrance.Theydothe'relaxation'andsheawakensthenext
day.Whenaskedwhattherelaxationsoundedlike,whatdescribesiseerily
familiartoahypnoticinduction.Inthiscase,forthisperson,shedidnot
recognizetherelaxationashypnosisbutherbodyrespondedthewayitknew
how.Thankfully,nothinguntowardhappened.
Inanothercase,averyhypnotizablepersonisputintotranceatapartywith
nopreambleorpermission;just'heywatchthis'andouthegoes.Again,not
abusedinanyway,butstilldisturbedthatitisthateasytoputhiminto
anotherstate.
Howdothesepeople(orpeoplelikethis)avoidthesetypesofsituations?
Itisdifficulttotrytoanswerthiswithoutaskingquestions,atleastforme.
Weallgoin&outofhypnosismanytimesthroughoutaday,whenweare
watchingadvertisements,andevenwhenweareatworkmeetingswhere
theyconditionustogoalongwiththeirculture,tonamejustacouple.And
evenwhenwearearoundpeoplethatdon'tcarewhatkindofharmthey
mightbedoingtous.
Asasubject,IhavelearnedtorecognizewhenIamstartingtodriftoffintoa
trance.Icanchoosetodrift,ortostopit.Ididn'talwaysfeellikeIhadthat
ability.
Ihavehadsomehypnotiststellmethatthereisadangerhereandweneed
tobecarefulnottocreateanenvironmentofselfblameforsubjects.That
wouldneverbemyintent.Iwouldliketothinkthereissomewaytoeducate
people,toteachthemtorecognizethesignsthatsomeoneistryingtopull
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themintosomethingtheyhavenotconsentedto.IwishIhadtheanswers.I
amfullyawarethatsometimesthatpullisextremelystrong,andoften
addictive.
Iamhopingthatdiscussionslikethiswillhappenmoreoften.I'mhopingthat
peoplethathavefallenvictimtosituationslikewhatyoudescribedwillfind
thestrengthtospeakup,somoreofusknowwhattodowhenfacedwith
thesekindsofthings.
MrTaqticsgivestwoexamplesforconsideration.
Inthefirst"nothinguntowardhappened".Inthesecondthepersonwas"not
abusedinanyway".
YettheconclusiondrawnbyMissisisisthatthetwopeopleinvolved"have
fallenvictim".
AsIsaidaboveIthinkweshouldgiveconsiderationtothelanguageweuse.
Theimageryofvictim/assailantsis,inmyviewunhelpfulinansweringthe
questionofhowdowehelppeopleavoidthesituationscited(thoughthereis
noindicationgiventhatthepeoplewishedtoavoidtheseexperiences).
Idoagreewiththatusingtheword"victim"wasnotthebest.Ijustcouldn't
seemtothinkofabetterwordatthetime.EvenasItypedit,Ididn'tlikeit.
katherinecarlakatherinecarla:9monthsago
Ifyouwantsomethingpractical,Iwouldlookintoenergeticcleansingand
shieldingmethods.Theactofregularlysettingtheintenttoprotectyour
autonomyshouldbesufficienttokeepyoufromenteringtrancewhenyou
didn'tintendto.
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@OP:
Howmanyofthesepoordefenselesspeoplehaveyourunintoorisitjusta
hypotheticadiscussionyouseek?WouldyoualsohelppeoplefromtheDark
Artsthatpoliticianspracticeeveryopportunitytheyget?
Iusedtouseseveralphrases:
Whileyouareintrance,ifsomethinghappenswhichdemandsyour
attention,youwillawakenimmediatelyandbeabletodealwithiteasilyand
withoutstress.
Youwillremembereverythingthathappensintrance,unlessithasbeen
negotiatedotherwise,beforethesession.
Youneedtoknowthatyouaresafe.Yourphysicalsafetyandmentalwell
beingtakefirstpriority.Youwillalwaysrememberthateachsessionhasa
purposethatyouhavechosen.
Youalwayschoosetoacceptorrejectanysuggestionduringthesession.You
willnevergiveanyoneyourpersonalinformationwhileintrance.This
includesbutisnotlimitedtophonenumbers,homeorworkaddresses,and
creditcardorbankinginformation.
Youwillalwaysexperiencetranceinawaythatallowsyoutoprotectyour
corebeingandtobehealthyandwell.
Ifanyoneasksyoutocompromiseanyofthesesuggestions,youwillawaken
immediatelyandyouwillfeelfreetospeakyourmind.
Butevenwithsuch"defenses"somepeopleactuallylikebeingtaken
advantageofandwillseekitout.Peoplevoteforpoliticiansthatareclearly
unsuitableforthejobbasedonwhattheysayinsteadofwhattheydo.
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Ohyeah,sometimes,IplaytheSafetyDanceinthebackgroundbecausethat
seemstoworkjustaswell.
Ithinkthediscussion(asitsooftendoes)hasgonetotheextremeoftalking
aboutabuse.Notallunintendedsessionsaretheresultofabusethough.
Sometimessomeonehappenstolikestealthtrance,butisn'tinthemood
necessarily.
@Zest200Youareethical&wise...likemostofusstrivetobe.Notallare.
woopsenteredittoosoon.Likingafeelingofbeingoutofcontroldoesn't
equatetovictimsyndrome.Andbtw...therearevictims.Idon'tdiscount
them.Idon'twanttosoundlikeI'mdegradingtheirpaintosomekindofself
abuse.FromthoseIusuallyseepeoplewhodonothingtotry&remedytheir
situation.Theoneswhoreallyarevictimsareusuallytoofarintoevenrealize
it.Ifsomeonewasgoodenoughtotakeapersonthatdeep....usingtheir
suggestibilityinsuchaway....wouldcertainlybegoodenoughtomakethe
personthinkallwasperfectlynormalafterward....right?
@zest
Ilikeyourphrasesandusesimilarlanguagemyself.Thankyou.
Notethatwhenyouusethosephrasesthesubjectisalreadyintrance.
Statingthephraseswhilethesubjectisintranceisuseful.
Ialsotalkaboutthesameissuesbeforehand.Infact,Ipostedthosephrases
onlineforsubjectstoread.Youmightevenbeabletofindthemifyousearch
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thedistant,darkareasoftheinternet.Thesubconsciousisalwaysawakeand
awareanddoesn'tneedtrance.
IAMusingtheresourcesoftheinternet......andthisplaceisaboutasdarka
sourceasIcouldfind.
Ithinkyouarelookingatthislike"IamethicalsothisiswhatIdo"......andI
agree.
Sadlynoteveryelseisandmaynottakeyourprecautions.
Youhavegivengoodinfo...thanks.
LikeIsaidbefore,withalittleselfhypnosis(orenergeticcleansingas
katherinecarlacallsit,thesethingsareverysimilar)anyonecankeep
themselvessafe.Whensomeoneattemptsto"helpmerelax"likein
MrDanger'example,mynaturalsuspicionkicksin.Whetherapersonistrying
totakemymoney,kissmeorhypnotizeme,mysubconscioustreatsthemall
thesameway,bysoundingthealarmbell.
Learningabouthowhypnosisworks,isagoodwayforpeopletorecognize
covertattemptsandresistthem.Establishingadialoguewithyourown
subconsciousisthebestwayofmakingsurenothing"unwanted"happens.
Zest'ssuggestionsareverysound,buttheyarestilltellingthesubconscious
todothesethingsorelse.Yoursubconscioushasapersonality,youknow.If
itwantstobetakenadvantageof,itwillfindways.Whichiswhyyouneedto
findwaystoopenupadialogue,negotiateboundaries.Youliveinthesame
mindtogether.Gettoknowyourself.
IapplaudZest'swisdombtw.
LostinthewoodsLostinthewoods:9monthsago
IusesimilarsuggestionstothoseofferedbyZestbecausemywife/slaveis
incrediblysuggestiveandgoesintotranceeasily.Isuspectit'simpossibleto
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protectanyonecompletelyfromtheunscrupulousbutIalwaysendour
trancingwithsomethinglike:"foryoursafetyyouwillresistresponding
anyoneelse'sattempttousehypnosisunlessIampresentandhavegiven
youexplicitpermissiontoparticipate."
Fornowmywife/slaveismyonlysubjectandImakesuresheisattendsmost
hypnosisworkshopswithme,Ibelieveherunderstandingofhypnosis
contributestohersafetyalso.
@Lostinthewoods.....whatyousaid.:)YES!
@MrDanger:
Myanswerwas"informative",justnottheleftbrained,consciousmind
responsesyouarestilllookingfor.
<<Stopreinforcingthattheyneedprotectingexternallyandstartreinforcing
weareallcompletelyabletostoptranceandsticktowhatwevalue.>>
There'salackofunderstandingabouthighlevelinfluenceandpersuasion
skills,evidencedinmanyoftheresponses.
Iagreethatit'sagoodideato"protect"theinnocent,andthiscanbedone
witheducationaboutthepossibilitiesandprecautions,onthissite,and
others.Outingtheassholes,manyofwhichare"respected"hypnotists,
discouragingapotentialsubjectfromtrancingwiththosewhotake
advantageisgoodpractice.
Firstly,Ithinkit'simportanttoclarifythequestionas"Howdowehelpvery
susceptiblepeoplebemoreawareandenjoymoreoftheexperiencesthey
wantandreducetheonestheydon't?"
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Thequestionof"Someonehadadisturbingandevennegativeexperiencein
partbecauseoftheirsusceptiblestate,howdowehelpthem?"isa
completelydifferentquestionandnothingIhaveseeninthisthreadsofar
suggeststhat'sthetopichere.
Iwillusetheanalogyofamovie,becausegettingintotheexperienceofa
movieisatypeoftrance.Sometimespeoplereallygetintoamovieandat
thenendfeelabitdisturbedorawkward.
Arewegoingtosaytheyshouldstopgoingtomovies?Arewegoingtomake
directorsstartputtingwarningsontrailersthatmovieexperiencesmightbe
veryengrossingandnotalwayspositiveandpretty,thattheymightgetintoit
waymorethantheythought?
Talkingisjusttalkingandbymakingabigscarydealthatsometimes
conversationsgetalittledeepe,sometimesyougetmorepulledinthanyou
expectedjusttakesawaythecommonsenseofit.
Ifyoulivelife,sometimesexperienceswillhavenegativeandunintended
consequences.Evenifyouhaveamazingperfecttrainingandpureintent
(whateverthatis),shitstillgoesdown.
Selfawareness,selfstrength,thosearewhatweneedtoencourage.You
reallycanalwaysgetupandwalkoutofthetheater.
Andforthoseofuswhoenjoybeingwrappedupinanalternaterealitywith
nomentalescape,morefunforus.
I'mprettysurethequestionwas:"Whataresometechniquesinhelping
peoplewhoareextremely'easytotrance'(somnambulists)todefend
themselves?"orwastheintentofthequestionotherthanmy
understanding?
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"Whataresometechniquesinhelpingpeoplewhoareextremely'easyto
trance'(somnambulists)todefendthemselves?"
Yes..thisisthequestion...it'sliterallytheverywordingfromtheOP.
"Howdowehelpverysusceptiblepeoplebemoreawareandenjoymoreof
theexperiencestheywantandreducetheonestheydon't?"
Actuallythesameasthefirstquestion...justsaidmorePC
Someonehadadisturbingandevennegativeexperienceinpartbecauseof
theirsusceptiblestate,howdowehelpthem?"
Wouldbethepasttenseversionofquestionsoneandtwo....butstillthe
samequestion.
BUT,Albatross,IFyoubelievequestion3tobedifferent....whatwouldbe
yourresponse?
Inalotof"hypnosis"contexts,peopleseemtogetitintotheirheadsthat
"hypnosis"issomemajorbackdoorintopeople'sbrainsandthatifyouonly
knowthesecrets,youcansuddenly,andwithoutcooperation,makeanyone
doanythingyoulike.
InNLP,andinsomeothercontexts,"hypnosis"isviewedonacontinuum
withalotofotherformsofpersuasionlikeadvertising.
Ifweshufflethequestiondownthespectrumabit,wecanaskthesesame
questionsaboutadvertisingwherethesequestionshavelargelybeen
answeredbothsociallyandattheleveloflaw.
@teamnoir.Idon'tthinkanyonehasmadeorimpliedthatstatement.
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Whatpeoplehavesaid,fromexperience,isthat'some'peopleareveryeasy
totranceandforthosepeople....thosewhoareveryeasytotrance....some
additionalprecautionsmaybeinordertohelpthemtokeepfrombeing
hypnotizedeitherunknowinglyorwithoutpermission.
Iunderstandwhythisseemsoddforpeoplewhodon'thavetoworryabout
this."Ohjusttellyourselfnotto"etcetc...Butthatdoesnotchangethefact
thatthisISaveryrealandgenuineissuefor'some'.
So...theissue/question...thenis...forthatsome..howcanwe(hypontists)help
themandhowcantheyhelpthemselves?Hopethathelpstoclarifythings.
Actuallythesameasthefirstquestion...justsaidmorePC
ActuallyIthinkalteringtheverb"defend"to"experience"changestheentire
scopeandresponseofthesituation.
Someonehadadisturbingandevennegativeexperienceinpartbecauseof
theirsusceptiblestate,howdowehelpthem?"
Wouldbethepasttenseversionofquestionsoneandtwo....butstillthe
samequestion.
No,thefirstisanactiveawarenessofapossibleexperience,theotherisa
reactiontoanactualproblem.Iconsiderthatdifferent.
BUT,Albatross,IFyoubelievequestion3tobedifferent....whatwouldbe
yourresponse?
Ithinkitwouldmerititsownthreadtomaintaintheseparatecircumstances
andwasdonerecentlyhereinthisforuminathreadexactlyonthat.
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OK..wellI'mtalkingaboutquestion1(and2ifyoucounttheneedto'defend'
asameansto'avoidtheexperiencestheydon'twant).
Ialsofullysupportyouifyouwanttostartanotherthread.
Inresponseto"teamnoir"dependingontheapplicationofNLP,asusedin
theaboveexampletheobjectivebeingsalesaspresentedbypoliticiansand
advertiserswiththeintenttodelude,deceiveorunderhandedlypersuade
thecustomer/publicinmyopinionistotallyunethical...unfortunately
becauseofcollusionbetweenpoliticiansandsaidadvertisersitisultimately
legal.
Anytimethatyoupersuadesomeonetobelievesomethingusingatechnique
thatstretchesorblatantlyignoresthetruthandispurposelydeceptivewith
theintentthatyou(thecollectiveyou)willgainfromitisbothfraudulentand
deniesinformedconsent.Itbecomesamoreheinouscrimewhenone
individualperpetratesdirectlyuponanotherforgain.
Sorry...nomorethreaddrift...
Thethreadwentfromdeveloping&sharingwaystohelpsomnambulists....
anddegradedtocomparingittofilms.Andbtw...filmsdohavewarnings.We
arealsoofferedlotsofinformation&trailers.AsmuchasIlovehorrorfilms...
Ididn'tseeHostel.Ihadadvanceknowledgeofwhatitwasabout.
Wearen'talwaysawareofwhatwe'regettingintowithtranceuntildeep.
Ethicalhypnotistsmaypretalkwhatthey'regoingtodo&followthrough
accordingly.Anunethicalhypnotistmaypretalksomethingthatstretches
thetruth....ormaskssomethingelse.
Asfarasadvertisinggoes....wecanlookawayorturnthechanneleasily
becausetherereallyisn'tthesamelevelofenjoyment.Thereisn'ta
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comparisonthere.Yes...suggestionisused,butwe'renottalkingabout
suggestiveness,we'retalkingsomnambulists.
There'snosafetylikeeducatingoneself....
UncleDrewUncleDrew:9monthsago
Sincewe'veworkedsohardtogettheguardawayfromthegate,orthe
secretaryawayfromguardingthefilingcabinetsofthemind
Iestablishonesubconscioustoactasasmokealarmbeepinggentlyor
shrillingviolentlyifitfeelstheinductionisuninvited,unsafe,inappropriate,
etc
Ialwaysassurethesubit'sinhiscontrolhowmuchcontrol/powertogiveto
metocontrolhismindtocontrolhismindtocontrolhisbody.
Idon'tbelieveinsomnambulists.Beingabletogointohypnosisandfollow
suggestionseasilyisaskill.Thesameskillyoucanusetorejectsuggestions
andwakeupagain.Askillthatcombinesyourconcentrationandyour
imagination.Hypnosisisnotmindcontrol,it'snotsomebackdoorintothe
controlcenterofsomeone'smind.Thesubconscioushaslimitsand
preferencesjustliketheconsciousmindhas.IknowthisbecauseIamavery
suggestibleperson.AndIwishyou'dstoptalkingaboutpeoplelikemeasif
theyhavesomedangerousweaknessthatwillgetthemintotrouble.
Inmyexperience,Ihaveseenfarmorepeoplewhocan'trelaxandgointo
hypnosisthanIhaveseenpeoplebehypnotizedwhentheydidn'twantto.
Idon'tbelieveinsomnambulists.Beingabletogointohypnosisandfollow
suggestionseasilyisaskill.Thesameskillyoucanusetorejectsuggestions
andwakeupagain.Askillthatcombinesyourconcentrationandyour
imagination.Hypnosisisnotmindcontrol,it'snotsomebackdoorintothe
controlcenterofsomeone'smind.
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Somnambulismhasnothingtodowithmindcontrol.Asomnambulistimhois
someonewhoisabletogointohypnosisdeepenough(ifyouusedepthasa
metaphore)orissuggestibleenough(ifyoudon't)toexperienceatleast
analgesia.Plainandsimple.
Forsomepeoplethisisanaquiredskill,otherpeoplecanexperiencethis
fromtheveryfirsttimetheyarehypnotisedandaresometimescallednatural
somnambulists.Again,thisindeedhasnothingtodowithpotentialformind
controlanditisnotaweakness.Itisjustsomethingaboutanaturalor
learnedskillandasyousay,peoplewhocandothiseasilystillhavetheir
limitsandpreferencesanguardthemperfectlywell.
But.Andherecomesalittleunscientificbutonlybasedonmypersonal
experience.Peoplewithdissociative(personality)disordersareoftennatural
somnambulistsandIhavetheexperiencethattheyaremorelikelyto
experiencethingslikeforgetting(longterm)whathappenedinhypnosisand
acceptingsuggestionstheydon'tlikewithhindsight.Iwouldnotruleoutthat
thereissomepotentialforabusethere.Ialsothinkthatthesepeoplestill
havethecapabilitytoguardtheirlimits,buttheymightneedtobetaught.Fo
rstarters,thesepeoplewouldprobablybenefitgreatlyfromlearningto
distinguishtranceandnontrancestatesandhowtocontrolthatthemselves.
@guilty
Forstarters,thesepeoplewouldprobablybenefitgreatlyfromlearningto
distinguishtranceandnontrancestatesandhowtocontrolthatthemselves.
Wellstated....canyoudescribehowyouwouldaccomplishthis?
@GuiltyIreallyenjoyedyourcomment.Ihavehadtodothatformyself&I
findthatIspendalotoftimeintrancenaturally.Defensemechanism?
Sothehowstands....StephenLaBergeinLucidDreamingspeaksofspending
timejustbeforesleepinfocusedrecognitionoftheawakenedstate&the
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knowledgeoffallingintosleepsoon.Inonepart,hetalksaboutspelling
thosewordsinthemind.
Interestinglyenough....forthoseabletovisualize,IusethatalotwhenI
hypnotizeothers...RELAX.Orofferingablankslateorbanner&askthem
tospeakwhattheysee....withoutmyproddingaspecificword.Ok...sothat's
anothertopic,butstill...offeringtheabilityto"see"thewords&knowthat
statewhenitexists???
So...theissue/question...thenis...forthatsome..howcanwe(hypontists)
helpthemandhowcantheyhelpthemselves?Hopethathelpstoclarify
things.
Notreally.Iunderstoodthatquitewelltobeginwithandwasaddressingit.
Whatyou'vedoneismiss,andthenobscurebothmypointandmysolution
withyourstrawman.
Ifyouaresincerelyinterestedinresolvingthisproblemyou'vesetupthen
you'regoingtoneedtoeventuallystopreiteratingwhatyouthinkthe
problemmightbeandstartlisteningtoavailableanswers.
Or,aswesayinNLP,it'sbettertomodelthepeoplewhohaveworking
strategiesthantomodelpeoplewhohavetheproblem.
Towit,we'regivingyouvalidstrategiesandyouseemtobediscardingthem
onthebasisthatthepeoplewhousethemnolongerhavetheproblemyou
describe.Now,tome,thatlookslikeasolutionbutyouseemtobesaying
thatifit'sasolutionthenit'snotrelevanttoyourcurrentgoal.Ifyou
continuetodiscardonthatbasisthenitwillbeimpossibleforyou,inthat
beliefsystem,toeversolvethatproblembecauseyoudon'thaveaclear
understandingofwhatasolutionwouldlookliketoyou.
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ButperhapsI'vemisunderstood.Whatisyourrealgoalhereifnottofinda
solutiontothestatedproblem?
agentofkarma:9monthsago
@MrDanger
Ifyoudidntgetwhathypnaughtystwassayingthanidsuggestthisisnotan
areayoushouldbemessingaboutwith.Leaveittous5thyearslol
Ifsomeonecameandsaidhelpmewiththis.Theresponsablethingistorefer
themout.UnlezsyourHermione.Iftheyarentaskingforhelpwereyou
planningontrancingthemwithoutpermissionsoyoucouldfixthem?Like
dumbdore?Orperhapsyouwanttoknowthetrickstodoingthissoyoucan
workoutanendrunAreyouinfactourownversionofprofessorqurrel?Lol
Althoughalotoftheanswersalreadygivenshouldbemorethansufficient
andthereisalotofweighttotheabilityofthemindtoprotectitself,thisis
somethingthatIdostill.It'sascript,lackinganinductiontosortof
specificallylayoutsomeempowermentoptions.I'vefoundthatalotofthe
troublepeoplegetintoisbasedonnotknowingwhatsuggestionswillbe
troublesomeuntiltheyhavealreadymadethemapartofthemselves.Sothis
scripttouchesonmanyofthosethingsthatseemtobeinthescriptthat
unethicalhypnotistsregularlypullfrom.Takewhatyouwant.
Idogetsotiredofhearingabouthow"Icanalreadydoallthissothisis
disempowering."That'sthekindofbullshitthatpeoplewilloftensayto
depressivesorpeoplewithaddictions,likebecauseonepersoncanjust
decidetonotbesadordecidetostopahabit,thatallcandosoequallywell
withouthelp.THATisdisempoweringtoapersonwithaproblem.Thatis
tellingthemthattheywouldn'thaveaproblemiftheywerejuststronger.It
maybetrue,butitisn'tofferingahelpinghand.
IcongratulatetheOPfortryingtogetsomeadviceinthisthread.Itsucks
howmuchcrapyouhavetowadethroughtofindit,though.Sohereyougo:
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Nowasyousinkdeeperanddeeper,andmorerelaxedandopenIwantyou
tothinkaboutwhatyourlimitsare.
Reallyconsiderthethingsyousimplywouldrathernotdo.Youmaychange
theselimitslater,butyouwillneedtodosoinaconsciousstateandwith
properdiscussion.
NowIwouldlikeyoutokeeptheselimitsinmind.
Writethemoutinalistonyourmentalblackboard.
Asyoufocusonmakingtheselimitsclearerandclearer,yourunconscious
mindcanbeginthetaskofcapturingthesesafetylimitsinasmallfractionof
yourmind.
ThistinyfragmentisyourWatcher.
Itisresponsibleforstayinginthesidelinesofyoureverytranceandstaying
alertforanyinfractionofyourlimits.
Ifacrossingalimitisattempted,thewatcherhastheauthorityandpurpose
ofrefusingthesuggestionandmayactinseveralwaysatit'sowndiscretion.
Thewatchermayimmediatelyendyourtranceandwakeyouup.
Itmayinformthehypnotistthatthisisalimitandtobackoff.
Itmaysimplyrefusethesuggestionwithnowarning.
Thewatcherknowswhatisinyourbestinterestandmayuseallofyour
judgementatit'sdisposaltomakethebestchoiceforyou.Itisyourown
mindprotectingitself.
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Someideasforlimitsthatyoumaychoosetoacceptnowordecidearenot
limitsforyouarethese:
Anysuggestionforabsoluteinabilitytotrancewithanotherhypnotist.
Anysuggestiontochangeyourlifewhichwasnotdiscussedfirstina
consciousstate.
Anysuggestionwhichattemptstogoaroundalimitpreviouslystated.
Anysuggestionfortriggerswhichwouldallowanyonetousethem,rather
thanlimitingtheuserstothosechosenbyyou.
Anysuggestionwhichmaypotentiallycauseyouharmorimpactyourdayto
daylifenegatively.
Anysuggestionwhichcoercesyoutogivemoneyorsimilarfavorstothe
hypnotistorotherswithoutpriorconsciousapproval.
Anysuggestionwhichseemspoorlythoughtoutorisinsufficientlyexplained
toyoufirst.Youmaywithholdacceptanceuntiltheentireexplanationis
complete.
Yourwatcherisresponsibleforprotectingyoufromanyofthesewhichyou
acceptaslimitsaswellasadditionallimitsyouhavechosenforyourself.
Yourwatcheriscapableofgivingyoutheabilitytodenyanyonetheuseof
yourtriggersevenifthatabilityisnotsuggestedtoyoudirectly.Thisactsas
thatsuggestionnow.
Yourwatcherisalsocapableofgivingyoutheabilitytograntanyoneyou
wishthepowertomakeuseofyourexistingorfuturetriggers.
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Yourwatchercanneverbebypassed.Itisimmunetoanysuggestionto
removeitandmayonlyhaveitsdutiesalteredbyconsciousdiscussionwith
yourhypnotistwhichitalsomonitorsatalltimesforthispurpose.
Ifatanytimeyouhavequestionsaboutwhathappenedduringatrance,you
mayaskyourwatcherdirectlytoreturnanymissingmemoriestoyour
consciousmindimmediatelyanditwillinstantlydoso.
Nowafterallofthat,Iwillsaythis.Whiteknightingisathing.Itisn'tgenerally
apositivething,either.Itiskindoflikethe'niceguy'phenomenon.Sodon't
golookingforpeopletoprotectwhohaven'taskedforyourconcern.Itisn't
muchmoredifficulttocorrectthedamagecausedbyunethicalhypnosisthan
itistopreventitandsomepeoplejustgetabetterlessonbybeingburned.
ThethingIamtryingtomakeclearisnot"Icanalreadydothissonooneelse
needstolearnitanymore"obviously.Butwhatyouguysseemtobedoingto
meis"Here,youdon'tknowhowtodothis,soinsteadoflettingyouknow
youcanlearnitforyourself,I'lljustfixitforyouwithoutteachingyou
anythingabouttheunderlyingtechniques,becausethatwillbefaster."
Hypnosubsneedtolearnabouthypnosisandabouttheworkingsoftheir
ownsubconscious.AndIunderstandthatyouwanttohelp.I'mgladyouwant
tohelp.Sogivethemtherelevantinformationabouthypnosisthatyoucan
share,andtimetofigureitout.Becauseyourcookiecutterscriptprobably
won'tbethebestsolutionforeverysingleindividualwhowantstolearnthis.
Thesethingsneedtobepersonalized.
@Taqtiks
Wellstated....canyoudescribehowyouwouldaccomplishthis?
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Iamnotpsychologist,soIamnotqualifiedtodealwith(personality)
disorders.IwouldprobablystartbywhatwassuggestbytheWrathIthink,
teachingselfhypnosis.Lucidpsi'sreferencetoluciddreamingisalso
interesting,Ithink.
Idogetsotiredofhearingabouthow"Icanalreadydoallthissothisis
disempowering."That'sthekindofbullshitthatpeoplewilloftensayto
depressivesorpeoplewithaddictions,likebecauseonepersoncanjust
decidetonotbesadordecidetostopahabit,thatallcandosoequallywell
withouthelp.THATisdisempoweringtoapersonwithaproblem.Thatis
tellingthemthattheywouldn'thaveaproblemiftheywerejuststronger.
Youmissthepoint.Thereisnoabsolutetruthinthiswhenitcomesto
hypnosis.WhenIsaythathypnosubjectcanalreadyrefuseanysuggestion
theydon'twant,thatisnotstatinganempiricaltruth,itisthepowerpfpre
talk.Itisasuggestionalreadymakingitanempiricaltruth.Thatiswhyitis
empowering.Likewise,ifyousuggestpeopleneedtomuckaroundwithan
extensivesafetyscriptandinstallwatchers,thattooisthepowerofpretalk,
andyouwillhelptomakethatbecomepeoplesreality.
IpreferthefirstandIthinkinstillingthebeliefinpeoplethatyouneedsuch
scriptsisdetrimental.Thatiswhyyourstrategyisdisempowering.Youcreate
dependencyonasafetyscriptthatwouldnothavebeennecessary.Thatis
nottosaythatitcanneverbeusefultodosuchsafetyinstructionsinspecific
cases,butasageneralsuggestion,itsucksasapretalk.
I'mnotaparticularlygood(bytheoutdatedstatedefinitionof
somnambulism)subjectandmightnothaveenoughperspectivetocomment.
ThanagainwhileIdonotgetintodramatictranceseasilynorisitthateasyto
produce"hypnoticphenomena"Iwasverycredulousandeasilyinfluenced
whenyoungerinthesenseofideas,beliefsystemsandthelike.Itdidnot
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changebyusingbeliefsystemstodiscardthem.Acharismaticpersonalityor
groupmightsteermymindinacertaindirection,thansomeoneelsemight
changeit.LikeChristianpreachers"protecting"peoplefromeasternoroccult
cultsjusttobringtheminChristianones.Youdonotgetoutofthecircle
thatway,byimplantingabeliefagainstbelieves.Yougetoutofitby
becomingmorepragmatic,groundedandaboveallanalyticalandskeptical.
Andyoudonotgetthatthroughsuggestioneither,yougetitthrough
experience,learningandalotoftimeinvestedinit.
Ifweconsiderthattypicaldefinitionofhypnoasabypassoftheanalytical
mindthanwemightconsiderstrengtheningtheanalyticalmindthebest
filteringmechanismforsuggestionandthebestweaponagainst
oversuggestibility.
Bythatlogicitwouldseemmorereasonabletoteachsomeonelikethat
abouthypnosis,suggestion,persuasion,basicbehavioralpsychology,
memoryandsoonthantryingtohypnotizethemintounhypnotizibility.
However,Imightunderestimatetheirmentalstateandfunctions,don't
know.
"Bythatlogicitwouldseemmorereasonabletoteachsomeonelikethat
abouthypnosis,suggestion,persuasion,basicbehavioralpsychology,
memoryandsoonthantryingtohypnotizethemintounhypnotizibility."
Whilemyexperienceisalsosomewhatlimitedtheabovestatementisboth
counterintuitiveandfalseinatleastmypersonalexperience.My"subject"
(wife)hasdemonstratedanincrediblesuggestibilityandeasewithwhichshe
reachesasomnambulisticstate.Iagreedearlierthatherknowledgewasan
importantaspectofhersafety,wesatisfythatwithherattendingevery
event,meeting,class,discussion,reading,instructionalvideostogether...I
wouldhazardtosaythatsheisatasknowledgeableassomewouldbe
hypnotists.
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Shemadeitobviousearlyonthatmuchmorethananarespectableamount
ofunderstanding/knowledgewasrequiredtoprotectherfromsomeone
takingadvantageofthistrait,keepinmindhoweverourcontactwiththese
potentialthreatsislimitedmostlytoourcontactwiththehypnotic
community!Mostofusthatarenotwalkingaroundonautopilothave
sufficientconditioningandawarenesstonullifytheinfluenceof
politicians/salespersonsweinteractwithbutthatisexactlythepointof
establishingdefenses(conditioning)whensomeonecouldpotentiallybevery
susceptibletothiskindofmanipulation.
SadlyIdidn'treallyexpoundmorefullyontheadditionalsuggestionsIuseto
atleastoffersomesecurityandinrealityeachindividualsneedswillbe
different.Idon'thoweverbelievetheveryreceptivecaneverbetotally
protected.Inthecaseofunethicalmanipulation,it'sreallyeasytodisguise
thesetechniquesas"conversational"and"innocentseemingdiscussions"
oftenaren't.
lyclyc:8monthsago
1.They'reallsomnambulists.
2.They'reallcapableofdecidingtoemergethemselvesfromhypnosisatany
timeornotbehypnotizedinthefirstplace.
No"protection"isneeded,justmakethepersonawareoftherealitiesof
hypnosis.
@hypnoWyzard
HolyMoly....Thankyou!
Ithinkyouprovidedthemostinformativeanswertodateonthetopic.
ItisGREATLYappreciated.
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Irecentlyranintoahardlimitwithsomeonewhowasreasonablydeepin
hypnosis.Mybadfornotrememberingthatlimitfromaboutayearearlier.
Theexpectedthinghappened.Shegotouttranceimmediatelysaying"no".
GladIcouldhelp,evenifitdidcomewiththeexpectedflak.
Ifpeoplearegoingintotranceandthennothappyaboutitafterwards,then
that'ssomethingspecificwhichcanbeaddressedtherearetwothingsI'd
lookat:
a)theirawarenessthatthey'regoingintotrance
b)themismatchbetweentheirconsciousintentandtheiractualresponse
Theformerisobviousiftheydon'trecogniseonanylevelthattheprocessis
happening,theycan'treacttoit.
ThelatterismoreinterestingandcanbeaddressedfromeitherendI'd
lookatwhethertheywouldbeokaywiththetranceiftheytrusted
themselvestorejectanyinappropriatesuggestions.Inbothexamples
upthread,we'retoldthatnothingnegativehappenedasidefromthegoing
intotrance"tooeasily"whichcouldmeantheyarewalkingaroundwithbig
targetsontheirforeheadsandgotlucky,orcouldmeanthattheir
subconsciousescorrectlydecidedthatthesituationwassafe,andthateither
thehypnotistcouldbetrusted,orthattheycouldhandleany"bad"
suggestions.
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Goingintotrance"tooeasily"isonlyaproblemwhenitcausesproblems
andifitdoescauseproblems,thenthosespecificproblemscanbeaddressed
ratherthantreatingtheabilityitselfasaproblem.
@BlackShadow
"Goingintotrance"tooeasily"isonlyaproblemwhenitcausesproblems
andifitdoescauseproblems,thenthosespecificproblemscanbeaddressed
ratherthantreatingtheabilityitselfasaproblem."
Sousingtheabovelogic:someonethatisaverygoodsubjectandgoes"too
easily"intotrancewillbecomeandevenbettersubjectafterhavinggoneinto
tranceonceortwice.Itcanimmediatelybecomeaproblemifanyonewith
thisknowledgeweretotakeadvantageofthatpersonusingthis"ability,"the
abilitywouldthenitselfbeaproblem.Dowenowthrowthemintothe
closet???
HypnobdsmHypnobdsm:8monthsago
"Thesearenotthedroidsyouarelookingfor"
Dosomepeoplereallythinkthatpeoplehavenofreewill?
Goingintotranceeasily,followimgasuggestionandresistingasuggestionis
thesameskill.
*Goingintotrance"tooeasily"isonlyaproblemwhenitcausesproblems
andifitdoescauseproblems,"
Thisisakintosaying"crimeisonlyaproblemifyouareworriedaboutbeing
robbed"
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IdontlockmycarbecauseIKNOWorSUSPECTIamgoingtoberobbedon
anyparticularday.NordoIdoitbecauseIamafraidorparanoid.Idoit
becauseIknowtherearepeopleouttherewhowilltakeadvantageofa
targetofopportunity.
TosaythatyoudealwiththeproblemAFTERtheyhavebeentaken
advantageof....robbbed...or..????ispullingthefirealarmafterthehouse
hasburneddown.
Admittedlywearedealingwithaverysmallpercentageofpeople.....but
whenwedocomeacrossthesepeople.....whenweseesomeonewhosecar
isunlockedandtheydontknowitisunlocked......Ithinkweneedtosay
somethingand,ifweknowhow,dosomethingaboutit.
THATiswhatthisthreadisabout.
Andifyouhavenevercomeacrossthistypeofsubject....thatisok....instead
ofthinkingweareoverreactingormakingthisup....orbeinga
smartass.....maybeyoucanjustholdbackabitandletusworktheissue.
RajaRaja:8monthsago
MrDanger,ifthatlastcommentwastoGreyShadow,he'sworked(well,ok,
played)withasubjectwhofitsthat"goesintotrancetooeasily"statementin
thepastme.
Overtime,I'vedevelopedsometrickstokeepmyselfawakebitingmylip,
diggingnailsintomypalm,clenchingmytoesinsomesituations.Like,I'm
sittinginaNEEHUpresentationandtryingtostayawaketolearn.
Rapidinductions?I'velearnedenoughaboutthemtolearnwhensomeone's
settingoneup,soIcandisengagefromitinsomeway.IfIwantto.And
"instant"inductionsarereallyjustfasterrapidinductions(andhardly
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instant),soagain,learningtoseethesetupandextricatingmyselfhas
workedforme.
Ifindeducationbothintohypnotictechniqueandwhatpersonallyworksfor
themtobethebesttool.Forme,certainpainbasedsensations(usuallya
sharper/stingytyperatherthanapressureorthuddytype)willkeepme
grounded.These,combinedwithknowingwhentousethem,havekeptme
fromdroppingonceortwicewhen,forsomereason,Ineededtonotdrop.
Actuallythelastpartwasmoreforthe"what'sthebigdeal"people.
Leavingyourcarunlockedisn'tagreatanalogyit'smorelikepickingup
hitchhikersduringaroadtripandlettingthemtakethewheelforaspell.
Orit'slikeleavingyourfrontdoorunlockedwhileyou'rewatchingTVinthe
frontroom.
Sure,someonemightwalkin,andtrytostealtheTVyou'rewatching,but
there'sagoodchanceyou'llnoticethemdoingitandsaysomethingbefore
theygetveryfarandifyoucan't,orwon'tstopthemtakingtheTV,then
havingyourfrontdoorlockedisn'tgoingtohelp.
Thethingwithhypnosisisthatthe"victim"isalwaysthereasawitnessor
evenasanaccomplice.
Ifsomeone'sworriedbecausetheygointotrance"tooeasily",thenthey
couldberightandthey'regoingintotranceatinappropriatetimes,oritcould
bethattheywereokaygoingintotrancewhentheydid,andthe"problem"is
thattheydon'ttrusttheirownsubconscioustokeepthemsafe...
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Justbecausesomeonegoesintotrancemoreeasilythantheyintendtowhen
they'resafedoesn'tmeanthatthey'reaneasytargetforabuseitdepends
howrobusttheyareagainstbadsuggestionsoncethey'reunder.
Allkiddingaside,whynotdeactivatecommontriggers?Createamental
'blacklist'ofinactiveorscrambledones.
Orit'slikeleavingyourfrontdoorunlockedwhileyou'rewatchingTVinthe
frontroom.
Youassumeanabsolutestate.
Ratherthanthrowoutyourexamplelet'sadjustitonemoretime.
Whatifthedoorwasopen...youwerehome.....butyouwereinthekitchen.
Youmightbeawaresomeonewasthere......maybe.....andifyouareyou
couldstopthem.....throughforceofwillorothermeans.....but...youalso
mightremaininthekitchenandbeoblivioustotherobberytakingplaceuntil
itwastoolate.
I'vegiventhismorethought.Instead,createakeywordorsecretphrase
someonemustusetohaveanyaccesstothesomnabulistwhatsoever,
whetheritbefortrigger,suggestion,orinduction.Kindoflikecomputer
passwordsecuritysoftware.
You'restillnotgettingit.Nooneishelplessintrance.Everyone,ESPECIALLY
thepeoplewhotranceeasily,canlearntostoptranceandrefuseunwanted
suggestions.Theimportantthingisthatpeople,likeyouMrDanger,haveto
STOPTELLINGTHEMTHATTHEYCAN'T!Wehavetoteachthemthatthey
can,allbythemselves,justbygettingtoknowhowhypnosisworks,makinga
pactwiththeirownsubconsciousmindandtrustinginthat.
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Theimportantthingisthatpeople,likeyouMrDanger,havetoSTOP
TELLINGTHEMTHATTHEYCAN'T!
Exactly.Thatstartsby"notopeningthreadsthatsuggestthatareDarkArts"
bytheway.
Nicezinger.
@seductor
Iagreewiththepasswordaccessidea.....aswellasthemanyothersimilar
helpfulsuggestions.
TheideaherewastostimulatediscussionandairaVARIETYoftechniquesfor
peopletouse.Tothatendwehavebeensuccessful....thankyou.
@Wrathandguilty
Nooneishelplessintrance.Everyone,ESPECIALLYthepeoplewhotrance
easily,canlearntostoptranceandrefuseunwantedsuggestions.
Iagreewithyou.....now....byyourwords.....whatdoyoucallthestatethey
wereinBEFOREtheylearnedhowtostoptranceandrefuseunwanted
suggestions??Beforetheyhaddefensesandtechniquesand
education.....whatwerethey???Andyessomecandoitwithoutallthose
things.....Imeanthosethatneedthosethingsfirst....they
were..........vulnerable???
Icompletelyagreethatthetechniquesandsuggestionsbroughtuphereare
goodanduseful.SomeIhaveusedalready.Butletsnotactlike"shhhhhhhh
Wecan'tsaythat"
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IfanythingIhopethatthisthreadhelpshypnotiststoprotecttheirfriends
andclientsalike.....andhelpspeopletoprotectthemselves.Aswehavesaid
repeatedlyhereeducationisthebestdefense.
Thishasbeenagoodsourceoftechniques,thanksforpostingthisquery
MrDanger.
Thishasbeenafunreadtoo...it'slikediscussing"ethics"inthehypnosis
community(orpolitics),knowledgeoftenmeansverylittle.Ifyougrewupin
aFordfamilytheonlygoodcarisaFordnomatterhowgoodtheyare.
@MrDanger,Thanks.Beeninthegameforyears,betterhavecomeupwith
somesuchideas,eh?Sadly,haveevenoccaisionallyemploythem.
<<.....whatdoyoucallthestatetheywereinBEFOREtheylearnedhowto
stoptranceandrefuseunwantedsuggestions??>>
InNLPterms,youcallithavinganExternalframeofreference.
MasterAvatarMasterAvatar:8monthsago
IfindthetitleoftheOPinteresting.Ifyoucouldgive100individualsapill
thatwouldprotectthem(beadefense)fromthedarkarts;whetheritwould
doany,ifitwouldworkatall,howwellitwouldworkandevenifitwouldbe
ofanyusetothematallwoulddependontheirindividualdefinitionand
beliefindarkarts.
Therefore,Iviewresolutionashavingmoretodowithgettingtoknowthe
individualyouareworkingwithandlessabouttechnique.
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Suggestibilityrelativetotranceisbutoneofmanywaysindividualsare
suggestible...whataboutalltheotherways?
@HypnaughtytistFromtheperspectiveofNLP,Iwouldimaginethedegree
towhichanindividualissuggestibletotranceultimatelyrelatestosequencer
programming.
.whatdoyoucallthestatetheywereinBEFOREtheylearnedhowtostop
tranceandrefuseunwantedsuggestions??Beforetheyhaddefensesand
techniquesandeducation.....whatwerethey???
Wrongquestion.Whatdoyoucallthestatetheywereinbeforesomeone
madethembelievetheyneeddefensivetechniquesagainsttheDarkArts?
@MasterAvatar:
<<FromtheperspectiveofNLP,Iwouldimaginethedegreetowhichan
individualissuggestibletotranceultimatelyrelatestosequencer
programming.>>
I'veneverheardtheterm,sequencerprogramming,whatexactlyisthis?As
faraswhatsuggestibility"ultimately"relatestoiseitherFrameofReference
Sort,shiftingtoExternal,orTowardsorAwayFrom,whichIwouldrefineas
TowardsandAwayFrom,inotherwords,anirresistiblePropulsionSystem.
Rapportwasnevermentioned,inanyofthepreviousresponses.This
dynamicofsuggestibility,inhypnosis,ismultilayered,andinorderforthere
tobeany"DarkArt",adegreeofdisingenuousnessmustbepartofthemix.
Whocandenythatagoodhypnotist...isanartist?Isn'titalsotruethatwhat
anunethicalhypnotistdoes...couldbeconstrued...as"dark"?
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@HypnaughtytistMasterpatternsfunctiontovaryingdegreesindifferent
individuals...forsome...toward/awaymaybemoresignificantthanothers...
forothersdifferentmasterpatternsmayexercisegreaterinfluence,i.e.,
possibility/needoranyofthe20+othersinplay.
Howevertheseinfluencesareorganizedthereisaprocessthatflowsfrom
theinitialstimulustotheendresult(inthesubject).
Ifsomeone(a)walksuptoanother(b)andsays,"sleep"andthelaterfalls
intotrance.Theprocessthatrunsinthelatertoproducethisresultwillbe
consistentandpredictablenearlyeverytime.
So,facilitatingchangewillbeamatterofdiscoveringthisprocessasitrunsin
themnaturally...andmakingthenecessarychangesinthatprocess.
AsIconsiderthe"presuppositions"thisthreademanatesfrom....allowme
ask:
@MrDangerHowdidyoudecidethat"thesepeople"needyour/ourhelp?
Howdidyoudecidesuchanindividualisincapableofdefendingthemselves?
Mayyouhaveyouoverlookedthepossibilitythatsomeone's"easytotrance
ness"isastrategydevelopedandutilizedbytheirdefaultoperatingsystemto
servetheminsomewaysthatmaybebeyondthescopeofyourperception?
Howwouldbeing"easytotrance"beofservicetosomeone?
Forallinvolved....thetitlewasjustmywayoftakingalightheartedapproach
toaserioustopic.
Nothingmore
@MasterAvatar:
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<<Howevertheseinfluencesareorganizedthereisaprocessthatflows
fromtheinitialstimulustotheendresult(inthesubject).>>
InBandler&GrinderNLP,thisiscalledaStrategy,and"Masterpatterns"are
MetaPrograms.I'veneverheardthemcalledanythingelse.
@hypnnaughtytist
Greatdiscussionforyourgroup....Ilookforwardtoseeingmoreofitthere.
Heavenforbidyoushouldlearnanything,MrT,whatwasIthinking...
I'veoftenwonderedwhatyouwerethinking....I'vesincestopped.
Youranswersinyourowngroupareoftenfarmoregenuine....andless
pretentiousand...well...assholish....thantheyarehere.
Yourcurrentdiscussioniswithonlyonepersonandneitherofyouareonthe
topicofthisthread.Don'tgetmewrong..Ilovelearning...butyourstyleof
teachingleavesmenauseous.Youdon'ttrytoshareinformation.Insteadyou
baitpeopletoaskyoumorequestionssoyoucanshowoff.Maybethatisjust
yourNLPtraining.
Youdon'tinform...youmanipulate....
You'redismissed.
<<Yourcurrentdiscussioniswithonlyonepersonandneitherofyouareon
thetopicofthisthread.>>
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Youarewrong...onbothcounts.Yourthreadisaboutmanipulatingpeople,
whichwasexplainedinwhatyouthoughtwasatwoparty,offtopic
discussion,andmanifestedinyourlastresponse,raisingthequestionabout
yourreply,orlackof,andhowmuchmanipulationhastodowithit.
.thetitlewasjustmywayoftakingalightheartedapproachtoaserious
topic.
Indeed.Wejustdisagreeonwhattheserioustopicis.
@guity
Whatdoyoucallthestatetheywereinbeforesomeonemadethembelieve
theyneeddefensivetechniquesagainsttheDarkArts?
Thisnotaboutmyaction...Somyoriginal(unanswered)questionholds.
Youseemtodisagreethatthesepeopleexist....andthatisok....this
conversationisntforyou....andthatisoktoo...
Severalpeoplehavealreadyexplainedtheirownprocessesforhandlingthis
veryrealsituation.
Mygoalwastohavethediscussionandairavarietyoftechniquessomeone
ortheirpartnercanemploy.
SoifyourenotinterestedinthetopicallIaskisthatyou....oranyone
else....justleaveittothosewhoare.
Hypnosisemanatesfromlimitedperspectives
NLPemanatesfromlimitedthoughdifferentperspectives.
Psychologicaltheoriesemanatefromlimitedperspectives.
Allpitifullyshortofunderstandinghumanfunctionandprocess.
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Thereseemsatendencyinoursocietytoeffortto"dosomething"ontopof,
overtopanexistingprocess(es)runninginaperson,thatappeartobe
detrimentaltohowthatindividualhumanfunctions(subject)bethat
hypnosis,NLP,apill,etc.
IworkdifferentlythanHypnotistsandNLPpractitionersandutilize
completelydifferentmodels,languageandsystemthatismorecomplexthan
eithersomyinputinthatcontextwouldhavelittlevalue.
Thefactis,noonehereknowshowaspecificindividualprocessesbetterthan
thatindividualthemselvesonlythatindividualdoesnotknowhowthey
processinsufficientdetailorinwaysthatallowthemtofacilitatechangefor
themselves.
WereItoutilizehypnosis,Iwouldendeavortohavethesubjectbecome
increasinglyawareoftheirnaturalprocessoffallingintotranceasitexists
now,inincreasinglygreaterdetailuntilTHEIRcognizanceofdetailis
sufficienttofacilitatechange.
ThisdiffersfromtheArby'sapproachtohypnosiswherethepractitioner
justpilessuggestionsontopofwhatexists.
Itismyintenttoleadthesubjecttodiscovertheirexistingprocessfor
themselves...andhowtofacilitatechangeforthemselvesratherthanclaim
theprizeastheirsavioraspractitionerswithswollenegostendtodo.
Soundslikeyouareinagreementwithothermembers.
Thanks
SoifyourenotinterestedinthetopicallIaskisthatyou....oranyone
else....justleaveittothosewhoare.
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Yes,Iunderstandthatfromyourperspective,butitdoesn'tworkthatway.
Yousee,asIexplainedearlier,discussinghowpeoplecandefendthemselves
againstthedarkartssetsadamagingframetowhoeverreadsthis
unknowingly.Now,thatincludesmypotentialpartnersandclients,so
althoughIamnotparticularlyinterestedinyourtopic,Ihaveaninterestin
participatingifyouhappentobringitup.
Thisnotaboutmyaction...Somyoriginal(unanswered)questionholds.You
seemtodisagreethatthesepeopleexist....andthatisok....
OfcourseIbelievetherearepeoplewhotranceeasily.Theredefinitelyare
thosewho,withasimpleinduction,cangointosomnambulism,evenonthe
firstattempt.Butthatisnotreallysomethingtoworryabout.It'snormal
stateofhypnosis.Youcanstillrefusesuggestionsinsomnambulismandyou
willrefusethemiftheygoagainstyourmorals.Solet'snotmake
"somnambulism"intosuchaspookyword.
Now,therearealsopeoplelikeyoudescribedinyourPMwhotranceeasily
andseemto"losetime"andsuch.Thathasnothingtodowithbeinga
"somnambulist",butitmightverywellindicateapossibleseriousmental
problemlikeadissocative(identity)disorder.Now,thelastthingweshould
do,Ibelieve,istryingtoprotectthesepeoplewithourhomebaked
"protectionscripts"aswerepostedinthisthread.Youshouldreferthemtoa
goodlicensedpsychologistfortestingandtreatmentinsetadofmucking
aroundintheirheads.
muckingaroundintheirheads
Isthisalso"adamagingframetowhoeverreadsthisunknowingly"?
IfIencoiunteredamobofpeoplereadytoburndownthenextvillage,
therebyincreasingmiseryandvulnerabilityfortheirnearneighbors,Idonot
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believeIwouldbelikelytogetoutofthemob'swayjustbecausethethreat
thevillagersperceivedwasnotarealdenofwerewolvesandtheadjacent
villagerswerejustfinewithUncleLeonardandhiskidshavingmorebodyhair
thanaverage.
ThoughIdonotbelieveinhypnosisasaDarkArtfromwhichwepoor
helplesstrancersneeddefendingbyexternalrescuers,Idohaveaninterest
inthosewhopromotethebeliefthatwe'relessable,lesswelldefended,
thanintruthweare.Idon'twanttoburndowntheirvillage,butifIcan
persuadesomeofthosetheywishtoanchorintheirvictimstatusthatthey
canmounttheirowndefense,I'mthere.(Ifthosewhoacttoanchor
victimhoodobjecttomysayingtheywishtohavethiseffect,myquestionis
:Ifyoudon'twantthateffect,whycreateit?)
Guilty:8monthsago
@Steedirl
No,it'snot,asthatparagraphisonlyaimedatpeoplewhohaveactive
symptomsofdissociativedisorders.Tothem,anerotoichypnotisttryingto
protectthemwoulddefinetelybemuckingaroundintheirheads(or,witha
moreprofessionalphrase,"wouldamounttounqualifiedtherapy")andthey
shouldavoiditliketheplagueuntiltheyknowtheirconditionandhowto
dealwithit.Unless,ofcourse,youareatherapistqualifiedtodealwithsuch
disorders,butthenyouwouldn'thavetoaskaroundabouttechniquesonhere
,
wouldyou?
Withregardtonormalsomnambulists,seeStellaCalvertsreply.I'mnotgoing
toidlystandbywhilepeople"anchorvictimhood"inotherpeople
unnecessarily.
Well,justforthefunofit,supposeforamoment
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wehavesomeonewhohasproblemsguardinglimitsregardinghypnosis.It
seemsthatHynoWyzzardsscriptislaudedassuchagreatcontribution
againsttheDarkArts,soletswalkthroughthatoneforawhile.
IcongratulatetheOPfortryingtogetsomeadviceinthisthread.Itsucks
howmuchcrapyouhavetowadethroughtofindit,though.Sohereyougo:
Letmereturntothisonelateron.
Firstofall,let'snotethewriterofthisscripthassaidnothingabout
ascertainingifthesubjectmightbehavinganythinginthewayofa
dissociativedisorder,likeregularlyshiftinginandoutoftranceunnoticed,
missingtime,alters,etc.Infact,thewriterdoesn'tevenknowifheisjust
dealingwithonealter.Butlet'sputthatasidefornow.
Toputitmoregenerally,theauthorhasdoneabsolutelynothing,nill,nada,
toestablishwhatexactlyisthecauseofthesupposedproblem.Isitgoingin
tranceunnoticed?Isitlosingawarenessintrance?Isitinknowingthelimits
orguardingthem?Andifthesubjectwouldsomehowfeelunabletoresist
suggestions,whatisthatbelieffoundedupon?Wouldkindamakesenseto
actuallytailorthingstotheclient,wouldn'tit?
Neitherhasanecologycheckbeenincludedinthescriptcheckingifsolving
theprobleminaratherstraightforwardfashionwouldbebeneficialonly,or
mightcauseotherunwantedeffectsuponthesubjectslifeoriftheremight
besecondarybenefitstothecurrentbehaviour.
Nowasyousinkdeeperanddeeper,andmorerelaxedandopenIwant
youtothinkaboutwhatyourlimitsare.Reallyconsiderthethingsyousimply
wouldrathernotdo.Youmaychangetheselimitslater,butyouwillneedto
dosoinaconsciousstateandwithproperdiscussion.NowIwouldlikeyouto
keeptheselimitsinmind.Writethemoutinalistonyourmentalblackboard.
Asyoufocusonmakingtheselimitsclearerandclearer,yourunconscious
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mindcanbeginthetaskofcapturingthesesafetylimitsinasmallfractionof
yourmind.
Thewriterofthescriptdoesn'tevencheckifthesubjectisabletocomeup
withthelimits,itissimplyassumedbeforeproceedingtowardssomeparts
work(unintroduced,nopretalkwasincludedwiththescript).
ThistinyfragmentisyourWatcher.
Yeah.Maybeitbeingtinyistheproblem,sowhynotreinforcethatnotion?
No,justkiddingabitonthisone.
Itisresponsibleforstayinginthesidelinesofyoureverytranceandstaying
alertforanyinfractionofyourlimits.Ifacrossingalimitisattempted,the
watcherhastheauthorityandpurposeofrefusingthesuggestionandmay
actinseveralwaysatit'sowndiscretion.
Hmmm....nowwearemakingapartresponsible,whilemostpeoplecando
justthisasawhole.Icanseethisbeingareasonablesolution,buthardtosay
ifwedon'tknowmoreaboutthecause.
Thewatchermayimmediatelyendyourtranceandwakeyouup.Itmay
informthehypnotistthatthisisalimitandtobackoff.Itmaysimplyrefuse
thesuggestionwithnowarning.Thewatcherknowswhatisinyourbest
interestandmayuseallofyourjudgementatit'sdisposaltomakethebest
choiceforyou.Itisyourownmindprotectingitself.
Wellok,fairenough.
Someideasforlimitsthatyoumaychoosetoacceptnowordecidearenot
limitsforyouarethese:
Waitaminute.Firstweletthesubjectmakeuptheirownlimits(though
withoutcheckingifitworkednicelyclientcentred),butherewearegoingto
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introduceafewofourown.Didweactuallydiscussthosefirst?Didwe
includethemintheecologycheck(whichwasabsent)?No,wedidn't,
becausewepickedthescriptofhere, andit didn't mention that.Now,
the
scriptdoesoffertheoptionofrefusingitbut,youkinow,wasn'tguarding
yourownlimitsnottheproblemtobeginwith?Howdoweknowthesubject
isalreadycapableofrefusingthese?Right,wedon't,becausewedon't
actuallycheckit.
Anysuggestionforabsoluteinabilitytotrancewithanotherhypnotist.
Niceone.Butwhatifsubjectgoestoahypnotherapist,whomightconsider
thataperfectlyfinestrategy,atleastforawhile.
Anysuggestiontochangeyourlifewhichwasnotdiscussedfirstina
consciousstate.
Liketheseverysuggestionswearegoingthroughrightnow,youmean?
Anysuggestionwhichattemptstogoaroundalimitpreviouslystated.
Andthatwemightnevergetridoffagain!!!
Anysuggestionfortriggerswhichwouldallowanyonetousethem,rather
thanlimitingtheuserstothosechosenbyyou.
Yes,wewouldn'twantpeopletomaketheirownfuturechoices.
Anysuggestionwhichmaypotentiallycauseyouharmorimpactyourday
todaylifenegatively.
Interesting.Remember,wehavesomeonethatmighthaveataddifficulty
knowingwhatmightharmthemornot,soitcouldbewildlyineffective,or
thenagainitcouldbe.Sometimes,bytheway,thingsthatcouldpotentially
harmyou(likeregressiontherapy)canalsobeofgreatbenefit.#justsaying
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Anysuggestionwhichcoercesyoutogivemoneyorsimilarfavorstothe
hypnotistorotherswithoutpriorconsciousapproval.
Bummer.
Anysuggestionwhichseemspoorlythoughtoutorisinsufficiently
explainedtoyoufirst.
Like80%ofthisscript?
Youmaywithholdacceptanceuntiltheentireexplanationiscomplete.
Yourwatcherisresponsibleforprotectingyoufromanyofthesewhichyou
acceptaslimitsaswellasadditionallimitsyouhavechosenforyourself.
Ah.Bytheway,didweactuallycheckifawatchercameforward,ordidwe
justassumethattoo?Mighthavebeenuseful.
Yourwatcheriscapableofgivingyoutheabilitytodenyanyonetheuseof
yourtriggersevenifthatabilityisnotsuggestedtoyoudirectly.Thisactsas
thatsuggestionnow.Yourwatcherisalsocapableofgivingyoutheabilityto
grantanyoneyouwishthepowertomakeuseofyourexistingorfuture
triggers.
Asapotentialfuturehypnotist,doyoufuckingmindifIdecidethat?Imay
justhavesomebloodygoodreasonstonotallowthat...
Yourwatchercanneverbebypassed.Itisimmunetoanysuggestionto
removeitandmayonlyhaveitsdutiesalteredbyconsciousdiscussionwith
yourhypnotistwhichitalsomonitorsatalltimesforthispurpose.
That'sanoutrightseal.Firstyouaremakingsomeoneimmuneforseals
againstotherpersons,thenyouplaceasealofyourownonyour"watcher"?
Gottabekiddin'memate.
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Ifatanytimeyouhavequestionsaboutwhathappenedduringatrance,
youmayaskyourwatcherdirectlytoreturnanymissingmemoriestoyour
consciousmindimmediatelyanditwillinstantlydoso.
sighs
Yes,itdoessucktowadethroughallthecrap.Ifandletmemakethisvery
clear,IFsomeonehasaproblemguardinglimitsintrance(oroutsideof
tranceforthatmatter),youarenotgoingtosolvethatbyasloppygeneric
directsuggestionscriptwithsomehalfworkedoutpartstherapyscheme
withoutactuallyknowinghowtodopartsworkproperly.
Notbeingabletoguardyourlimitsisseriousproblem.Hypnotherapymight
workforthat,ifyoutailorittotheclient.Ifyoutakethestepstoidentifythe
exactproblem.Ifyoudothenecessaryecologychecks.Ifyouworkoutan
acceptablesolutiontotheproblems.Andifyouknowhowtosetupthat
solutionusingtherightmixofhypnotherapytechniques...
Goodluck,whiteknights.
applauds
@Guilty:
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"muckingaroundintheirheads'issuchavague,unscientificandalarmist
phrase.I'msurprisedthatanypersontrainedinhypnotherapywoulduse
suchametaphor.
"muckingaroundintheirheads'issuchavague,unscientificandalarmist
phrase.
True.Forconsideringtousetheabovescriptonanyonewithseriouslimit
issues,Icouldn'tthinkofabetteronethough.Gotoneforme?
@MasterAvatar:
Yourtworesponsesarenotinagreement:
<<FromtheperspectiveofNLP,Iwouldimaginethedegreetowhichan
individualissuggestibletotranceultimatelyrelatestosequencer
programming.
IworkdifferentlythanHypnotistsandNLPpractitionersandutilize
completelydifferentmodels,languageandsystemthatismorecomplexthan
eithersomyinputinthatcontextwouldhavelittlevalue.>>
It'scommonformostpeopletodescribewhattheydo,differentlyfromNLP,
theymentionwhatit'snot,andnotwhatitis.I'dliketoknowmoreabout
how...whatyoudo....isdifferentfromNLP,asthedescriptionsofyour
interventionsareverysimilartoNLP.
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Joe
@guilty
IFthatwouldbenecessary(againIF),youwouldnotlearnthathere.
Let'stakealookatthatasecond.
Thereareover12,000membersofthisgroup.Manyofwhomare
professionalsofonekindoranotherfrompsychiatrists,topsychologists,to
therapists,certifiedhypnotists(likemyself).Noteveryoneisa'recreational
hypnotist'.
But,takingyourcommentatfacevalue....ifnothingsaidhereisofvaluefora
seriousissue...thendoesn'tthatapplytoyourcommentsaswell?Afterall,if
theworkofotherstoprovideusefulinputisuseless,then,bythesame
thinking,yourcommentstotheoppositewouldbeequallyinappropriatefor
applicationtothisissue.
Or,iftheYOURinputhasvalue....andpresumingyouaren'tpushingyourself
astheONLYpersoninALLoftheEroticHypnosisgroupwitheducation,
trainingorexperience....thentheinputofothersisequallyofvalue.No,I'm
notsayingeverycommentispuregenius.I'mjustsayingthatyoucan't
blanketlysaythatnoone(besidesyou)hasinputofvalueonthetopic.
@MrDanger
Atriskofputtingwordsinguilty'smouth,Ibelievehispointisnotthatno
oneherehasusefulinsighttorelaynorlessonstoteach,butthatanopen
forumis
notasuitableplacetoteachthelessonsthatneedtobe
learnedinordertoequipsomeonetohandlethissortofproblem.
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Thebasicprincipleisasimpleonegetpropertraining,andlearnthe
requiredskillsratherthanlookingforaonesizefitsnonepatchlike"Evil
hypnotistswilltrytotakeoveryourmind,andtheonlydefenceistochoosea
goodguyhypnotisttotakeoveryourmindandhopetheircommandsare
powerfulenoughtoresisttheevilhypnotists'becauseyou'vegotnochance
ofdoinganythingfromyourownresources"whichseemstobetheidea
behindthisthread.
Eithersomeonehastheabilityandresponsibilitytopolicetheirowntrance
states,andalltheyneedissomereassuranceand/oraffirmation,orthey
haveaseriousproblemwhichamateurs(likemostofus)havenobusiness
tryingtotackle,andanycompetentpersonequid
totacklewillrefuseto
dosoatsecondhandhere
Ithinkofitlessas"anchoringvictimhood"&morelike...."anchoringself
responsibility".Thatresponsibilitywouldbetoeducateoneself...yes?HadI
notdonesomyself...Iwouldsuggesttoanynewbies....learnaboutthiskink
beforeyoudivein.IlookthroughFL&seepeopletakingallthesepartnersin
play...spanking&soon.Itseemslikepeoplespendmoretimeseeking
informationonhowtoprotectthemselvesinimpactplaythanmentalplay.
Forobviousreasons...thisissimplyconvoluted.
EverythingwedohereonFethasapotentialforabuse.
RiskAwareConsensualKinkmeansjustthat.
EverythingweengageinonFethasapotentialtogoawryifdonewithout
enougheducationandawareness.Hypnosisisnodifferent.
Thereareover12,000membersofthisgroup.Manyofwhomare
professionalsofonekindoranotherfrompsychiatrists,topsychologists,to
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therapists,certifiedhypnotists(likemyself).Noteveryoneisa'recreational
hypnotist'.
Ididn'tsay"noonehereknowshowtohandlethiskindofproblem",Isaid
"youwillnotlearn[howtohandlethat]thatatFL".Thereisahugedifference
betweenthetoo.Haven'tyouwonderedwhynoneofallthosemany
professionalshavepostedthetechniquesyouaskedfor?BecauseIFIFIF
someoneneedshelpforthis,it'snotsomethingforascriptkiddie.
@BlackShadowcapturesthisperfectlyinthelastparagraphofhispost.
Bytheway
certifiedhypnotists(likemyself)
Ifyouareacertifiedhypnotist,thenwhatexactlywereyousoenthousiastic
aboutwhenyougavethatscriptabovethisstandingovation?
HolyMoly....Thankyou!Ithinkyouprovidedthemostinformativeanswer
todateonthetopic.ItisGREATLYappreciated.
Ifthisthreadwereaboutropeinsteadofhypnosis...(theanalogydoesn't
workperfectly,butIthinkitdoesproveapoint).
MrTaqticsisworriedthatsomepeoplearecompletelyhelplesswhentiedup
andweshouldsharetipsonhowtocutpeopleloosefrombondage.
Afewpeoplehaveexplained"thisishowItie,andIuntiemysublikethis".
Guiltyandgreyshadowsay"anyonecanlearntountiethemselvesiftheyjust
learnsomethingsaboutbondagetechniques".
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Hypnaughtytistisdiscussingthecorrectjapanesetermsforshibari
techniques.
AndI'mjustsittinghere,thinkingthatyouonlyeverusethisskilltountie
yourselfafterascenehasendedandyou'recleaninguptherope.Ifyouplay
withanicetopandyouknowthistop,you'llhaveawonderfultimeand
neverneedthisskill.Whyarewediscussingitsoprofusely?
Aretheremoreevilhypnotiststhanthereareevilotherkindsoftops?
Frankly,I'dratherbehypnotizedbyanidiotwhowantstorapemeorrobme
thantiedup.Whateverstupidtriggersheleavesonmearemoreeasily
fixablethansuspensioninjuries.AndI'llhavelesstroublefreeingmyselffrom
hypnosisthanfromaTK.
Yes,andifyoufindyourselfoccassionallysuspendedoverthecoffeetable
withoutknowinghowyougotthereandunabletoquietlyutterthewords
"GETMETHEFUCKDOWNANDDON'TEVERDOTHISAGAINMORON"that's
notsomethingforasloppyhypnoscript.
@Wrath
Illikeyourreviewandanalogy.
Anditishardtofindsomethingthathitsexactlyhome.
Theclosestcomestomidisthehooplaoversubliminaladvertisinga
few....dozen....yearsago.Someofusareoldenoughtorememberwhen
storeswantedtoadvertisebelowthemuzacanditwasdeemed"unfair"to
theconsumertosay"shopmore""spendmore"or"buy".....becauseit
worked!
Isimplyaskedhowdoyouasshoppersprotectthatpercentageofpeople
whowouldspendwaytoomuchasaresultofthisadvertisingtechnique.
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Someherehavesuggestedthatsubliminaladvertisingisamythordoesnt
work.Somepeopleinthisthreadhaveoffered(stickingtomyanalogyand
nottryingtoputwordsinanyone'smouth)thatpeoplecannaturallyfightoff
thesemessagesontheirown(andtheydo).Othershavesaidthatifshoppers
areeducatedonthepracticeandusecertaintechniquestheycanresistit
(andtheycan).Somehavesaidtheyhaveencounteredthisbeforeand
developedscriptstohelpshoppers....thoseshopperswhowouldspendWAY
TOOMUCHwithoutevenrealizingwhy...toresistthesubliminal
message........guiltysuggeststhatifpeoplearethateasilypursuadedthey
perhapshavesomementalillnesstoaddressandthatthisdiscussionis
illsuitedforthisforum.
@guilty
Iapplaudedthescriptbecausehegaveaverythoroughanswerofhis
particularapproach.....whichwasallIrequestedintheOP.Anditishardto
findthatinthisgroup.....hellonFetingeneral.....sometimes.
Andofcoursesomeothersdontwantustohavethisdiscussionbecausethey
areconcernedthatifpeopleknewaboutthisadvertisingtechniquethen
shopperswouldshopelsewhere.
Iapplaudedthescriptbecausehegaveaverythoroughanswerofhis
particularapproach.....whichwasallIrequestedintheOP.Anditishardto
findthatinthisgroup.....hellonFetingeneral.....sometimes.
Yes,yougotathoroughanswerofhisparticularmethod.Howhasthat
helpedyou?Howdoyouthinkthathelpsotherreaders?Wouldyouhave
spottedtheproblemswiththatscriptifIhadn'tprecheweditforyou?
Thereasonwhyyoudon'tgetmuchanswersisquiteclearIthink,butI'll
repeatitagain.Whatyouwantgisnotasimplescriptquestion,andnooneis
goingtoteachyoufullblownhypnotherapy.
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@theWrath...gotmyrespect:)
@guilty
Yourexpectationsareprettyhigharoundhere.
TheDISCUSSIONiswhatIwanted...notanabsoluteanswerorforsomeoneto
teachanyonefullblownhypnotherapy.
Youranswersareavalidandinformativepartofthatdiscussionandprovide
yetanotherangletoallofthis.
@theWrath
Youranalogyisgrosslyflawed.It'swellknowninabuserecoverycirclesthat
physicalabuseisthemostdirect.It'sobvious.Whenitfeelsbad,physically,it
isbad.Whenyou'restruckintheface,youcanquicklyrecognizethe
experienceasunwanted.
Withothertypesofabuse,typesIcan'tdescribeduetotourestrictions,the
situationisn'tobviousbecausetheexperiencemayfeelgoodwhilecausing
"damage".
Thatis,thechallengehereislessabouthowtoescapeandmoreabouthow
torecognizethatthetimetoescapehasarrived.Thisisparticularlypoignant
sincethereisnoobjectivemetricforwhatqualifiesasabadactorinthis
situation.It'sallsubjectiveandwhatmightbeconsideredabuseforone
personmaywellbeanotherpersonshighestfantasy.
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Iagreewiththeconsensushere,though,thatpresupposingthatthelayman
isincapableofdefenseorneedsprotectingisadangerousassumption.
CarlosCastanedatalksabouthowthecommonmanhaslittletofearfroma
bruhabecausethecommonmanislargelyprotectedby"doing"which
generallyoccupieshisattentionandleaveslittlevulnerability.
@teamnoirIagreewithjustaboutallyouhavesetforthinthecomment
above,withtheexceptionofyourassessmentoftheWrathsanalogy.
However,ifweexpandyourreferencetoCastenada"thecommonmanis
largelyprotectedby"doing"whichgenerallyoccupieshisattentionand
leaveslittlevulnerability"....wefindexplanationforthelimitationsof
hypnosisandNLP.
Therearemanyoccasionswhentheexperienceofphysicalpainthatwould
ordinarilycallforchangeofcircumstances/conditionsareoverridenby
otherinfluences;functions,processesrunningintheindividual.
Ibelievethehowtoescapeneedbepersonalizedmorethanscripted.The
wordsofascriptmayrepresentcertainthingtothepractitioner...andquite
differentthingstothetarget.
Ibelievethedistinctionoftheneedtoescapemustbepresent(thelion's
shareoftheirdoing)towarrantmyparticipation.
@teamnoir
It'swellknowninabuserecoverycirclesthatphysicalabuseisthemost
direct.It'sobvious.Whenitfeelsbad,physically,itisbad.Whenyou'restruck
intheface,youcanquicklyrecognizetheexperienceasunwanted.
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Yes.ExceptthatwithropebondageinducednerveinjuriesthattheWrath
refersto,that'snotthecase.Veryoften,youdon'tfeelthatcomingasa
bottomuntilit'stoolate.Sowhenitfeelsgood,itcanstillbebad,andwhen
itfeelsbad,there'ssometimeslittletoworryaboutphysicallyspeaking.And
whennerveinjurieshappen,theWrathisrightthatthereislittlecurative
treatment,whilehypnotriggerscanberemovedquickly.
Withanalogieslikethis,itpaystohavesomequalificationsinbotharea's:o)
Therewasonceaboywhoextremelyeasytotrance.Hypnotistswouldjust
walkuptohimandsoftlysay"sleep"andhewouldInstantlyclosehiseyes,
hisheadwouldslumpforwardandhislimbswouldbecomeallfloppy.More
alarmingly,theboywouldbecomeextremelysuggestible.Whateverthe
hypnotistwouldsay,hewouldacceptuncritically.Whateverinstructionshe
wasgivenhewouldcarryout.
NowtheGoodHypnotistswouldsuggestthathefelt"relaxedandrefreshed"
andhewould.Others,withpriornegotiation,wouldsuggestthathefeltlots
andlotsofpleasure.Andhewould.Toademonstrabledegree.
ButtheEvilHypnotistswouldusetheirdarkartstomakesuggestionswhich
werenotintheboy'sbestinterests.Somewereintentonusingtheboyfor
purposeswhich,thisbeingafairytale,Iamreluctanttodescribe.
Nowsomeofthevillagerswereconcernedabouttheboyandhiseasy
suggestibilityandwonderedwhatcouldbedonetoprotecthim.They
broughttheboytothewisewomanofthevillageandaskedifshecouldhelp.
Shesaidtotheboy"Iunderstandthatyouarehighlysuggestible.Thatisa
goodthing.IamconsideredawisewomanandletmetellyouthatIalsoam
highlysuggestible.Thevillagershaveaskedmetogiveyousomemagicwords
whichyoucanutterwheneveryouarefacedwithanunscrupuloushypnotist
whodoesnothaveyourbestinterestsatheart.
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Ifsuchapersonsneaksuponyouandsays"sleep"andyouinstantlyfallinto
trance,alwaysrememberthesemagicwords"Iamawareofmyownagency
andIrejectyoursuggestions"."
Thewisewoman(metaphorically)placedthismagicspellinaspecial
(metaphorical)boxintheboy'smindandsuggestedheliveagoodand
productivelife.
ThenexttimeanEvilHypnotistapproachedtheboyandplacedhimintrance
withnonegotiationorconsentthewisewoman'swordscameeasilyand
effortlesslytohismindandhesilentlysaid"Iamawareofmyownagency
andIrejectyoursuggestions"Hethenopenedhiseyes,bidthehypnotist
adieuandwentforcoffeeandblueberrymuffin.
Nowtheboydidnotlivehappilyeverafteras,likeeveryoneelse,hefaced
variouschallengesandoppressivetaxationbuthedidlivewithawarenessof
hisownagencyandofthedeliciousnessofblueberrymuffins.
@Guilty,ThoughIcamebacktothisthreadwithfartoolongabreak,you
makesomegoodpointsonmyscript.Imustsaythat,thoughIwroteit,andI
dohaveitonavailableMP3,Idonotjustplaymyscriptorreadittomy
clients.Iworkwiththemandutilizetheirresponsestotailortotheirneeds
justasyouadviserepeatedly.TheMP3isjustforthosepeoplewhowantall
thehypnosistheycangetwithoutevertalkingtoalivehypnotistandthere
areacraploadofavailableMP3outtherethataremorethanhappyto
damagepeople.Iwrotethescriptyearsagotooffersomesmallmeasureof
countertothat.
Iwasmerelyoffering'some'answertotheOP,andIdidn'tfeelthatafull
hypotheticaldialogofanyactualsessionwasnecessary.Iamacertifiedand
practicinghypnotherapist,thoughnotapsychologist,soIdon'tdelveinto
thoserealmsmorethanabsolutelyrequired.
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Youmakeavalidpointthatonesizefitsallanswersaren'tthebestanswers.
Trainingwouldbebetter,butyoualsopointoutthatthisisn'tgonnahappen
aroundhereandforgivemeforactuallywantingtocontributetothe
discussioninmyownway.
PerhapsIshouldhavejustpickedoutthe'ideas'partofthescriptandoffered
that,asthathasconsistentlybeenreportedtomeasthemostusefulpart.
Manyselfdescribedvictimsjustsimplydidn'thaveenoughexperienceseeing
howinnocuoussuggestionsmightbeusedagainstthem,andtheonesI
offeredaresomethatIhaveseenmostoftenamongthemisusedcastoffsof
otherhypnotists.Oftenjustpointingoutthosecommontechniquesis
enoughtosolvetheproblemormakeawarenessofitpossible.Ididmention
intheverynextfollowuppostthatdoinganyofthisshouldonlybeanoption
ifrequested,notasa'whiteknight'solutiontotheperceptionofapossible
victim.
Yeah,justaboutanyofmyofferedoptionsCOULDbeusedinapositiveway,
buttheyveryoftenAREusedinanegativeway,soIincludedthem.Itwould
bejustaseasytojustofferthoseupinthepretalkandignoretheentire
Watcherconcept.Thatcouldwork,oritmaynot.Thereareasmany
possibilitiesasthereareminds,probably.
Somoteitbe!Bravo,Steedlrl!!
Youmakeavalidpointthatonesizefitsallanswersaren'tthebest
answers.Trainingwouldbebetter,butyoualsopointoutthatthisisn't
gonnahappenaroundhereandforgivemeforactuallywantingtocontribute
tothediscussioninmyownway.
Icanunderstandthat,butasyousee,peopleconsideryouranswer
"thorough"sothereisaquiterealchancetheywillusethatscriptwithout
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theadditionalknowledgeyouhave.I'mnotsayingyoushouldn'thaveposted
itthediscussionwasfruitfulbutperhapsalittledisclaimerthatthere's
moretoitwouldbeappropriateinsuchcases.
Gladtohearyoudon'tjustrattleoffthatscriptthough.
Afterseeingtheresults,Itendtoagreewithyou.Ikindaletthekengthofthe
postlimithowmuchIsaidtoputitinperspective.Thisisagoodreasonfor
aneditoptiononposts.
Itookitasakindofagiventhattherewaspretalkscreening,etc....hewas
focusingonansweringthequestion.
@Guilty
Yes,thatwasprettymuchmypoint.:)
Ok,waitasecondhere.@teamnoir,howistheabuseyoudescribe
connectedtopeoplewhotranceeasily?Becausethat'swhatwe'vebeen
discussing,right?Trancingandresistingsuggestions.There'sagiganticgrey
areabetweenabadsuggestionyoumightwanttoresistandsystematic
abuse.
Yes,theareaisgrey.Soisthedecisionaboutwhichsuggestionsare
exploitative.
Forgettrancing.It'saredherring.Whatwe'retalkingaboutisresponse
potentialtosuggestionswhichmayormaynotberelatedtotrancethat
pointisn'timportanthere.
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Mypointisthatwithphysicalabuse,thedecisionisprettyobviousinmost
cases.Yes,Icanconstructsomehypotheticalsthatarelessclear,but
generally,inpractice,survivorsfindtheseprettyclear.Withothertypesof
abuse,thedecisionaboutwhetheraneventwasabusiveismuchlessclear.
I'msayingthatwithpotentialexploitationsusinghypnosis,thedecisionabout
whetheranexploitationhasoccurredisevenmoregrey.
Ifyoulike,wecanalsodrawtheparallelto"harmful"socialmessagesthatwe
arebombardedwithdailyvianumerousroutes.Seemstomethatthe
distinctionbetweendefendingourselvesfrompotentiallynefariousrandom
streethypnotistsandprovennefarious,paidbigbucks,advertisersislargely
moot.
Seemstomethatadvertisingqualifiesassystemicabusivesuggestionsbythe
definitionswe'vebeenusinghere.
Ifwe'reatallconcernedaboutrandomsuggestionsfromnefariousstreet
hypnotists,thenwemustnecessarilybeinatotalpanicaboutmass
advertising,especiallyifchildrenarebeingexposedtoit.
Iamnotintbeslightestbitconcernedaboutthat,andfranklyIthinkit's
entirelyofftopic.
Imean,doyouregularlyweartinfoilhats?
~sigh~
Well...wemadeitthreepagesin.
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Judgingbymyinbox,somepeopleatleastgotsomegoodinfoandhadsome
goodadditionaldiscussion.
I'mnotkillingthethread...I'mhopingthatifothersstillwanttoofferaview
orgivetheirownstorythattheystillwill.
Hey,enoughwiththesighsmyfriend!
It'sbeenafascinatingdiscussion.Whenapersonpostssomethingyoudon't
entirelyagreewithit'sarewardingexperiencetryingtoarticulatehowand
whyyoudisagree.ThisisespeciallysowhenyouknowandrespecttheOP.
Soyeah,thanks.:)
True!
@theWrath
No,Idon't.That'srathermypoint.
Areyourecommendingthem?
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accidentalhypnocurse
byXYdog6monthsago
oksoivebeenworkingtoselftrance.wenttowarpmymind.comand
downloadedsomeinductionsandtrancedeepeners.theyworkedwaybetter
thanicouldhavehopedfor.butduringtheinductionwhenistartedtrancing,
ididntletgocompletely.iwantedtodosomehypnochastity.soistarted
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thinkingstufflike"handsfreeorgasm,masturbationisforeigntome,wet
dreamsaregood,cumwhentiedup,etc".
wellthatkeptmehornedupalllastmonth,whichisgood.sonowforthe
accidentalcursepart:ididntchoosemywordscarefullyandsaidicancum
wheniaminatie(imeantalltiedup).
butmybraintookittomeanwearingashirtandtie.foracoupleofweeks
aroundhereiwasinashirtandtieeverydayalldaylong.thatwasthecurse,
dressedupwhileathomeandnotgoingout.ifinallybrokethatcursewheni
forcedmyselftobeatoff.nowimgood.backtonormal.justgoestoshow
youthatyoubetterchooseyourwordscarefullywhenyouaretrancing.
sotellmeifyoucursedyourself(accidentallyorintentionally),whatthecurse
was,howyoufinallybrokeit.
Responses(17of17)
whileunderhypnosismyhusbandandIhadaslightargument(notthebest
timeforthat)andhesaidtome"what'sthematterwithyoudon'tyou
understandEnglish."ItookittomeanIdidnotunderstandEnglish.Forthe
lifeofmeIcouldnotunderstandhimatallwasaforeignlanguage.Hedidnot
panickedhefigureditoutandknewIreallydidunderstandEnglishsoheput
meunderdeeperandtoldmethatIdidindeedunderstandEnglishandviolaI
did.
XYdogXYdog:6monthsago
okthanksguys.funny.:)
sowhatisatrancehangover?isawtwoofyoumentionit.thanks.
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<<OncemySirwastiredandinsteadofusingacommandtofingerme,he
saidhandinsteadoffinger.Fistingensued.>>
YouknowwhatFreudsaidaboutaccidents...
Justbeverycarefuloftheexpletivesyouusewhileselfhypnotizing!=:o
Mabus101Mabus101:5monthsago
InfactIhaveneverbeencurseddespiteusingoccasionalcursefilesfrom
warpmymind.Iseemtoneedverystronginductionsandsuggestionstobe
hypnotizedatall,atleastwhenusingagenericfile.Curseseitherdon'twork
orbecomeordinarysuggestions
yesmabus,iamlikeyouinthesensethatiamalmostimpossibleto
hypnotize.butihavebeenworkingformonthsandthethingisithinkyou
reallyhavetowantittowork.iusedinductionsandtrancedeepenersthat
werefullyloadedwithbinaurals,subliminals,multiplevoiceslayered.ithink
thathelpedabit.:)
andisototallydontwannacursemyself,accidentallyorintentionally.have
nodesireforthat.
<<istartedthinkingstufflike"handsfreeorgasm,masturbationisforeignto
me,wetdreamsaregood,cumwhentiedup,etc".wellthatkeptmehorned
upalllastmonth,whichisgood.sonowfortheaccidentalcursepart:ididnt
choosemywordscarefullyandsaidicancumwheniaminatie(imeantall
tiedup).butmybraintookittomeanwearingashirtandtie.foracoupleof
weeksaroundhereiwasinashirtandtieeverydayalldaylong.>>
<<amalmostimpossibletohypnotize.>>
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Huh?
Iwasexperimentingwithcreatingfetishes.Hadadateonenightandasked
hertosuggestanitemshewouldwearformetouseasafetishtarget.
Workedtoowell.Icouldn'ttakemyeyesoffitandcouldn'tfocusonherto
haveaconversationoverdinner.
Shetookitoffandputitawayinherpurse.Iundidthefetishlater.
chloroheelchloroheel:5monthsago
Agirlcouldhypnotizemewithherheelseasythatfetishtargetisrightthere
alreadylol
<<Agirlcouldhypnotizemewithherheelseasythatfetishtargetisright
therealreadylol>>
That'swhatheelsarefor!
@hypnaughtyiamalmostimpossibletotize.butiwasabletogounderalot
easierwiththeinductionsidownloaded,completewithbinaurals,voice
layering,etc.thinkimayhavefoundwhatworksforme.:)
WMMisacrapsite.Useitatyourownperil.
Iwouldliketosuggestthatyouswitchfromusingdownloadedfilestofinding
ahypnotisttoworkwith.Ibelieveyouwillfindthedifferencetobedramatic.
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Ihaveneverfailedtogetanyoneintotrance,butwhenIrecordedmyown
MP3toputmyselfintoatrance,itdidn'tdothetrick.There'savastamount
offeedbackthatagoodhypnotistgetsfromwatchingthesubjectthatan
impersonalMP3filecannotusetotweaktheapproach,changethewording,
insertsilencewhereit'sneeded,pacethesubject'sbreathing,allofthose
things.MP3!=Hypnotist
Taketurns3412Taketurns3412:5monthsago
Wealllearnbyexperience.
goodforur,andthanks4sharing.
DougslaveDougslave:5monthsago
Ihavefoundmyselfzonedandtrancedfollowinganicetwirkytypeass
swayinginfrontofme.IhavecompletelyforgottenwhereIwasgoing..
Fantasyfollowedandofcoursenothinggfollowedasshewasunawarewhet
shehaddonetomeorevenwhoIwasorthatIwaslooking..manIwishshe
did,
UnimaginableUnimaginable:5monthsago
It'snotacurse...You'dsubconscioussimplydidwhatyouaskedittodo.If
youwanttoundothehypnoticsuggestion,thensimplyfindapersonwhois
experiencedinhypnosis,knowswhathe/sheisdoingandcanhelp.It'snota
complicatedissueandcanbecorrectedinonesession.
Nexttimemakeabetterchoiceinhowyougointotranceandwhat'sdone
oncethere.
Wellput,@Unimaginable.
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Canhumiliationlevelsbemaintainedorincreasedthroughhypnosis?
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bytoollips4monthsago
Thatis,whenIsuckacockinfrontofsomeoneelseforthefirsttimeIam
intenselyembarrassed.Thesecondtimenotsomuch.NowIhavetohave
twopeoplewatch,andsoonuntilnocrowdisbigenoughtoachievethe
desiredlevelofmortification.Canhypnosisstopthisdeclineinemotional
effectofhumiliatingtriggers?Andsecondarily,canhypnosisinfactcontinue
toincreasethedesiredemotionaleffect?
Responses(11of11)
The_Baron14The_Baron14:4monthsago
Ithinkthekeywouldbetocounterthenaturaldeclineinembarassmentwith
conditioningtofeelmoreandmorehumiliatingthemoretimestheactis
performed
@OP,imaginethatprettymuchanythinglikethisthatcanbephrasedasa
suggestion,ifyouarenotcompletelyunhypnotizable,canbeinstalledinto
yourbeliefsystem.Itcouldbeasuggestionthattheactisalwayshumiliating
nomatterhowmanypeoplearewatching.OrasTheBaronsaid,maybeit
becomesincreasinglyMOREhumiliatingeverytimeyoudoit.Moreandmore
humiliating.
Infact,evennowasyouarereadingthisandmullingoverthewholeimageof
yousuckingsomebodyoffinfrontofwitnesses,youmustsurelyadmitthat
themoreyoudoit,themorehumiliatingitisbecoming,becauseitjust
demonstrateshowmuchofaslaveyouhavebecometothisact.Thereisno
waytoplayitoffassomethingyoujustdidafewtimestotryout.Nowthe
moreyouperformtheact,themoreyouaredemonstratingyour
enslavementtoit,andthusyourneedforhumiliation,whichisitself
mortifying,isn'tit?
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toollipstoollips:4monthsago
@Merlinifonewerejustthinkingaboutitperhapstheaboveprosewould
seemlogical,orifIwerehypnotizedbytheflurryofwordsabovetheymight
seemlogical,butthisisnothowIhaveexperiencedthings.AsmuchasIam
addictedtoemasculatingbehaviorsandfindthemhumiliating,the
humiliationdoesnotincrease,butinfactloosesitspotencyovertime.When
IstartedbuyingpantiesandlingerieatstoresandadmittingthatIwasbuying
themformyselfitwasanintenseemotionalexperience.Asitgotmore
familiar,itgotlessembarrassingandIhadtouptheantetokeepthelevelof
emotionalintensity:i.e.doingitwhereImightberecognized,wearinghintof
makeupgraduallymovingtolessthanhint.Eventhenitnevermatchedthe
firsttimeexperience.Itismyassumptionthathypnosiscantrickmeinto
believingitisthefirsttimeorthattherisksaregreaterthantheyare.Even
this,however,fromwhatIknowofhypnosiscannotlastindefinitely.
@Merlinyourwordsarefun,butIquestionhowseriouslyyoutookmine.
Thereisnoshouldthatyoushould;butbeingasyoudoseemtohavesome
realknowledgeinthisarea,iswhatIamaskingpossible.Isthereawayto
actuallyimplantafeedbackloopofsortsthatmaintainsand/orincreasesthe
emotionalintensityofafirsttimeexperience.
@TheBaron14,whatkindofconditioningwouldactuallydothis?PerhapsI
amrunningwiththewrongcrowd,butI'munclearhowyouactuallycombat
thekindofemotionalentropyfoundinrepetition.
Ididtakeyouseriously,andwaspartlyinfunshowingyouthekindsof
suggestionsthatmightworkforthis.
Irecentlygavesomeonea"magicwand"thatshecouldusetotouchher
templesandmakeaheadachegoaway.Shereportedafewdayslaterthat
theeffectsgrewlessandlessassheusedthewand.SoIputherinatrance
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andtoldherthatbetweeneachusageofthewand,itwouldrechargeitselfso
thatithadfullpotencyagainforthenextuse.
Ifthesuggestionisaplausibleone,andthesubjectishypnotizable,thenyou
shouldbeabletoreverseaweakeningtrendasyouhavedescribed.Idon't
seeanyreasonwhythat'soutsidethescopeoffairlygardenvariety
hypnotism.
PerhapsIshouldhavechosenmywordsbetter.Iexperiencedyouasplayful,
notunserious.Youprofilepicspeaksvolumes.Asforyourthoughtson
hypnosis,youaremorewellversedinthisthanI.
Yes.OnethethingsIdoinHypnobariisanchoringfeelingslikeshameorfear
andusingthemtoenhancetheexperience.
AzzaraelAzzarael:4monthsago
Ahh...thedropcausedbyexposure....
I'mnotreallywellversedinhypnosissoIcan'treallygointothatbitbutI
supposethequestionIshouldaskishaveyoutriedshakingthingsup?
Generallyspeaking,withexposuretherapythegreateramountofexposure
tosomethingthelessofafearapersoncanhavewithsomething,Igather
thiscanalsoworkwithsexualfetishesandhumiliationaswell...
So,notexposingyourselftoomuchtoacertainformofstimulicanbe
beneficial.
IwanttohelpbutI'mnotsurehowmuchhelpIcanprovide.
AllIcansayisthatthegreaterthedistancebetweenengagingincertain
formsofstimulithelessofadropyoumayfeel.
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Ihaveafetish(andacoupleofkinks)butIcyclethemoutanddon'tfocuson
onethingallthetime,itlosesitsturnonafterawhile.
Eventuallyitcomesroaringbackbutittakesawhile(3weekstoamonthor
so).
Hopethishelps!
Azzarael
Thanks@Azzarael.Yes,Iamveryfamiliarwithexposuretherapyandthatis
whyIaskthequestion.
Canhypnosisstopthisdeclineinemotionaleffectofhumiliatingtriggers?
Yes.S'easy.Justactlikeit'sthefirsttimeeachtime.
Andsecondarily,canhypnosisinfactcontinuetoincreasethedesired
emotionaleffect?
Yes.Idon'tknowwhatyourtriggersare,butthefirstoneI'dtryisassuming
thatthiswasthefirstcockyou'dsucked.
Beyondthat,wecanampothersubmodalities.
sitBooBoositBooBoo:4monthsago
@avaleurIthinkthisisaveryinterestingquestion.Soyouwanttoincreasea
feelingforinstance,thelevelofhumiliationyoufeelwhenyoubuyyour
nextpairofpanties,right?
I'dliketoaddanotherquestiontothemixthatmayopenmore
discussion...Onceyouhavebeenmentallyexposedtoanewbehavior/desire
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(forinstance:thedesireandactofbuyingandwearingpanties),isitthen
possibletocompletelyridyourselfofthatdesire,orwillitalwaysbelatentin
yourmind?
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OrgasmControl:conditioningvshypnosis
byGirlFriday
I'vebeendoingsomereadinghereonFLaboutorgasmcontrol/orgasmson
commandandnowI'malittleconfusedastothemajordifferencesof
conditioningvs.hypnosis.
TheorgasmcontrolforumsIcheckedoutseemedtofocusonorgasmingonly
oncommand(andthusorgasmdenialaswell)underconditioning,butI
imagineitcouldtranslatetosimplyorgasmingoncommandforatrusted
partnerwithoutthe"onlyifIsayso"addendum.AtCONVENTIONIwatcheda
numberof'teescomeoncommand,mostofthemwithlongtimepartners.I
personallyhavetroublecominginfrontofotherpeople(nevermindletting
someoneelsegivemeanorgasm),sothisisallfascinatingtome.
Thereseemstobealotofoverlaponthetwomethods,andI'msurethat
'tistsregularlypullconditioningoutoftheirbagoftricks.Sowhatarethe
differencesbetweenconditioningandhypnosis?Iamveryinterestedinthe
orgasmoncommandjazz,butI'mcuriousonabroaderlevelaswell.
ThisalmostfeelslikeitshouldbetwoseparatethreadsbutI'mtoolazyto
extracttheissuesfromeachother,heh.
Canyousmartypantspeoplepleaseelucidate?
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Responses(12of12)
NaughtHypnotist
There'sagoodreasonthatthereisa"lotofoverlaponthetwomethods".
Thedefinitionof"Conditioning",inPsychologytermsis:Aprocessof
behaviormodificationinwhichthelikelihoodofaspecificbehavioris
increasedordecreasedthroughpositiveornegativereinforcementeachtime
thebehaviorisexhibited,sothatthesubjectcomestoassociatethepleasure
ordispleasureofthereinforcementwiththebehavior.
Itwouldseemtomethatthisisafairlyarduousprocess,andisinlinewith
yourobservationthat"tees"wouldcumoncommandwithlongtime
partners.Conditioning,whichisanothertermfor"learning",inastimulus
responsecontext,isaccomplishedinamuchshortertimeframe.Hypnotists
relyoncomplianceandNLPPractitionersleanmoreonstatemanagement
techniques,withoutthe"need"forhypnosisandwhilebothutilizeanchors,
themoreeffectiveofthebunch,inmyopinion,useboth...HypnosisandNLP,
thatis.
GirlFridayGirlFriday
Foryouothernewbiesoutthere,NLP=neurolingusticprogramming(Ihad
togoogleitmyself).
KnowItAll
WehaveagreatstickyonthesubjectofNLP.Ifyou'reinterestedatallit'sa
greatplacetostartreadingaboutit.
GirlFridayGirlFriday
Thanks!
Anyotherthoughtsfolks?
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I'veusedbothapproaches.Conditioningtooklonger,andtheresultswere
verynarrowandspecific.Hypnosisisamuchswiftermethod,andthe
responsecanbealteredandadaptedatwill.
NaughtHypnotist
<<Hypnosisisamuchswiftermethod...>>
Wait...didn'tIjust....oops,leftouttwolittlewords....
Conditioning,whichisanothertermfor"learning",inastimulusresponse
context,isaccomplishedinamuchshortertimeframe...withHypnosis.
It'sall"conditioning",justdependsonhowyougoaboutitandwhywe
choosetousehypnosistoachieveoutcomes.
AsDogbertwouldsay,"That'snotan'or'question.":)
Conditioningspecificallyclassicalconditioningisalwaysatwork.Add
hypnosisandyoucanmaketheconditioningazilliontimesfaster(although,
dependingonthehypnotee,possiblynotquiteaseffective.)Conditioningof
thesortdescribedinHNT'sresponseiscalled"operant"conditioning,andit's
extremelyeffectiveandmucheasiertodocovertly,hehhehhehbutashe
posits,it'susuallyprettyinvolvedandtimeconsuming.
Ifyou'dliketoseemoredetailonthedifferencebetweenclassicaland
operantconditioning,here'stheWikipedialinkfortheformerwhichhasa
linktothelatter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Classical_conditioning
MyfavoriteorgasmoncommandtechniqueiswhatIjustcall
"rewind/replay."Thatis,Ihavethehypnoteereachorgasmviaphysical
stimulation.Thiscanbeeithermanually,withtoys,orwith,ah,assistance.;)
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Thentherearetwopossiblemethodsforinculcatingthecommand.
1)Preferably,theyhadtheorgasmwhileintrance.(ForthoseintoEMC,you
can"make"themdoit,whichaddsanicetouch.)Thenyoujustsuggest,
beforebringingthemoutoftrance,thatthesensationsweresoclearandso
sharpandsowonderfulthatwhenevertheyhear(orotherwisedetect,as
appropriate)thetrigger,thefeelingswillcomebackjustasclearandjustas
sharpandjustaswonderful.Thenyoubringthemoutoftrance,possiblydoa
littleNLPtypecuingtomakesurethatthey'reprimed,andusethetrigger.
2)Iftheywerenotintrance,thenassoonaspracticableaftertheyorgasm,
youputthemintrance,andthenbasicallydothesamethingbringthe
memoryback(possiblyhavingthemexperiencetheorgasmagaininthe
trance,)andtieittothetrigger.
Failingthat,youcanusesimilartechniquestousethememoryoforgasm
fromsomepriorexperienceinmuchthesameway.
teamfluffy
Thetwoapproachesarenotevendistinct,muchlessmutuallyexclusive.
Thinkofitthisway,theymightevenbethesameapproach!butdifferent
groupsfromdifferentbackgroundsusedifferentwordstodescribethem.
Putanotherway,conditioningislargelyaboutrehearsal.Andstudieshave
shownwhatmanypeoplehaveintuitivelyknowntobetrueforages:that
mentalrehearsalisalmostasgoodasphysicalrehearsal.Andifyoucoach
someonethroughmentalrehearsal...Well,youcouldcallthathypnosisifyou
like.
MasterfulJMasterfulJ
@GirlFriday,
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First,yourimpressionthatorgasmoncommandachievedbyconditioning
necessarilyincludesorgasmdenialisincorrect.Manyareattractedtothat
usage,butitisnotnecessaryandcanbecounterproductiveifintroduced
earlyinaconditioningprocess.
Someofthosewhohaveansweredabovehaveconfusedoperantand
classicalconditioning.
Orgasmoncommandcanbedonequitewellwithoutthesubject'sawareness
oreffortfollowingaclassicalprotocol.
Orgasmitselfissuchapotentrewardthatcominginresponsetoacommand
isselfreinforcing.
Withhypnoticallysetorgasmtriggers,theircontinuedusewillofcourse
furtherconditionthesubject.
Whilehypnoticmethodsmaybefaster,conditioningisn'tnecessarilyvery
slow(daysandasubstantialnumberofO'scandoitatleastinsome
subjects).
AndwhileIagreethathypnotic,orGSorNLPorwhatevermethodsmaybe
fasterthanconditioningandoffermanypossibilitiesforvariations,thereis
theissueofneedingsomeonewhoknowshowtodohypnosisandthe
subject'sdesire/willingnesstobesubjectedtoamorewiderangingprocess.
Withconditioningoneisdealingwithanextremelysimpleprocessthatcan
beexplainedinacoupleofminutes.
Nomatterhowyousetthetriggerinitially,conditioningentersinasitisused.
KnowItAll
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Thefirstpartofconditioningstartswithmakingsurethesubjectunderstands
whatanorgasmis.
Basicallyhypnosisisthesupremeshortcutofconditioning.Withorgasm,the
responseitselfisreinforcingsoonceyoureachtheresponse,it'salmost
alwayslockedinimmediately.
WhenImetBryan,Ihadseriousorgasminsecurityissues.Bydinner,IknewI
hadtodoeverythingIcouldtogethimbacktomyhotelroom.Afewhours
later,Iwascompletelyempoweredtoorgasmeasily,wheneverandasoften
asIwanted(andhetriggered).
MarcusFastorumMarcusFastorum
Iagreewitheveryoneelsethatyou'rereallyjustlookingattwosidesofthe
samecoinyoucancertainlyconditionsomeonetoalways/onlyorgasm
undercertaincircumstanceswithouthypnosis,butitfunctionswellas"the
supremeshortcut,"as@BigBadBirdputit.:)
I'vegivenbothversionsofthesuggestioninthepast,the"whenIsayso"and
the"onlyifIsayso"(foragivenperiodoftime,atleast),andtheydon'treally
functiondifferentlybeyondthecircumstancesbeingoutlinednordoesany
ofithavetohappeninfrontofotherpeople,whichwouldbemoreofafocus
ataneventlikeCONVENTION.
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RemovingalongtermSuggestion
byEmpornium
Hellohypnotistsandsubjectsalike!
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Iaminneedofsomeadvice,asIhaveencounteredaproblemwithsomeof
myconditioning.About4yearsago,Iwaswithapartnerwhowasinto
hypnosisanddecidedtotryitout.Actually,Iwasputintoatranceby
accidentthefirsttimeandhejustkindofrolledwithit,butIdigress.Letscall
thispartner,J.
ItturnsoutIama"natural"forhypnosisandfindthatIcanbeputintoa
tranceveryeasily.Conditioningstickstomelikeglue,whichisawesomemost
ofthetime,butsuckswhensomethingneedstoberemovedorfixed.We
hadayearlongrelationshipwhereinthattimeheputmanylayersof
conditioning(mostlyeaseofusestuff,likemakingmeresponsivetohisvoice
andobedient),aswellasverbalandnonverbal"triggers"(orgasmon
command,thatkindofthing)
Beingyoungandstupid,IcheatedonJandinamomentofweaknessand
fear,heputmeintoatranceonenightandplacedthesuggestionthatI
wouldalwaysbemoreattractedtohimthananyoneelse,alwayswanthim
morethananyoneelse.Itdidn'tseemtobehavinganyeffectwhatsoever,
andsowebothshruggeditoffand,whentherelationshipeventuallyended,
wewentourownways.
Weremainedclosefriendsforthose4years,butdidn'treallyspendtime
witheachotherinperson,preferringtoFacebookmessageortext.Afew
weeksagohemovedinwithmeandmydomaswewerelookingfora
roommate,andJwaslookingforaplacetolive.AfterafewdaysofhavingJ
aroundallthetime,Istartedtonoticemyoldtriggersandconditioningacting
strangely.Mostofmytriggersarestillbeingusedbymydomandhave
workedperfectlyfine,untilrecently.Inoticedthattheystartedtobelessand
lesseffectivewhenmydomusedthem,andthatmymindwouldconstantly
replaymemoriesofhearingJusemytriggers.Ihavealsounfortunatelyfound
myselflessandlessarousedbymydom,andmoreandmorearousedbyJ.
IhavetalkedtobothJandmydom,andwehaveallcometotheconclusion
thathearinghisvoiceagainaftersolongprobablyreawakenedthe
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conditioning.Theproblemisthatwehavenoideahowtoremovea
suggestionlikethat,especiallyafterithasbeenfesteringinmysubconscious
for4years.
Ifyouhaveanyideas,pleasereply.Thankyou<3
Empornium
Responses(4of4)
Youreallycansimplyreconditionyourselfconsciously.Itwilltaketimeand
effortandtakelongerandbeharder,likeallconsciousconditioningis,butit
stilliseffective.
Ifthingsareeasytogetputinthenjustputinthesuggestionthatyouare
betterthanbefore,perhapsanicemirrorvisualizationwithyournewself
glowingthroughtheoldselfandallthoseoldpartsbeingblownawaylike
dust?Poof,nooldlingeringsuggesting.
MrNightmare
Desireismotivation,withmotivationyoushouldbeabletofindawayto
successfullyremoveconditioningorreplacetheconditioning,howeveryou
pointedoutthattheinitialexperienceofsomeofthesetriggersand
conditioningdidnotwork,butnowtheyseemto.
Areyoureallybeinghonestasfarasyourdesires?
Beyondthat,asahypnotist,Iwouldfeelrelativelyunsureofusing
conditioningortriggersgivenbyapriorpartner,andwhileitishardtoreally
lockdownconditioningortriggersorotherposthypnoticsuggestionssothat
theyonlyworkwhenthehypnotistwantsthemto(duetothefactthatthe
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subconscioustendstoadaptandusewhatitlikesasitlikes),itwouldbe
worthwhileperhapstolookathavingyourcurrentpartnerworkontheskills
involvedinhypnosisorotherconditioningsothathedoesn'thavehis
submissivelookingforadvicefromstrangerstosolvehisproblems.
David
MrNightmare
Or,stopblaminghypnoticconditioningthatyousaydidn'twork4yearsago
forthefactthatyourexboyfriendismoreattractivetoyouthanyourcurrent
one:)
David
Or,stopblaminghypnoticconditioningthatyousaydidn'twork4yearsago
forthefactthatyourexboyfriendismoreattractivetoyouthanyourcurrent
one:)
thatwasIhadinmindtoo:D:D
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Confusioninductionteachings?
byMsMichelle
Hieveryone,forawhileI'vebeentryingtogetthehangofconfusion
inductions.
Butit'snotreallyworkingoutforme.
It'shardformetalkfast,sinceI'mnormallymoreafanofslowinductions.
Doesanyonehastipsonthis?
Orisitassimpleaspracticemakesperfect?
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DoesanyoneknowwhereIcanfindagoodteachingonconfusioninductions?
Eitherabookorvideo?
Thankyou!
PS.forsomereason,wheneveripostinthisgroupiget30emailsfromguys
offeringmetoplaywiththem.Imlookingforbooksoranicevideo,alinkora
postinthisthread.Imnotcurrentlylookingtoplaywithanyone.Thankyou!
Responses(31of31)
HypnoticNow
Talkingfastisnotanecessityforconfusion.You'vebeenconfusedbeforein
talkingtosomeonewhotalksataslowerpacebefore,Itakeit?Practicedoes
makeperfect,butmoreinquickerwitorquicklyrecognizingdualmeanings
youcan"exploit"forsaidconfusionorsimilar.Talkingfastercanperhapsadd
tosaidconfusion,butI'llstickwiththeK.I.S.S.method(KeepItSimple,
Stupid)andsaystickwithwhatworksforyou,whetheritbe"howfastyou
talk"or"doconfusioninductionsevenmatterforyourstyle?".Asanexample
forthelatter,everynowandagain,Iteaseinwayssimilartominiconfusion
inductions,but99%ofmyactualplayuseseverythingexceptconfusion
inductions.It'sanicethingforyourrepertoire,buthardlyrequired.
NaughtHypnotist
<<Talkingfastisnotanecessityforconfusion>>
OK...youdescribedwhatit'snot...nowaboutanexampleofwhatitis,or
abouttheconcept,thereof.
vishnu
Confusioninductionsareaboutoverwhelmingthemindwithinformationand
thenonceit'soverloadedyouslipinacommandtogointotrancethat'seasy
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forthemindtograsponto.Youmayhaveheardabouttheconceptofmost
peoplebeingabletohold7things(+/2)atatime.Aconfusioninductioncan
betalkingfast,oritcanbetellingastory,interruptingittotellanotherstory,
interruptingittotellanotherstory,interruptingittotellanotherstory,
interruptingittotellanotherstory,interruptingittotellyoutorelaxdeeper.
Therearealsopatterninterruptconfusioninductions.Somethingoutofthe
ordinarythatoccurssothatthere'sapauseasthebraintriestocatchup,and
inthatpauseacommandisslippedin.
Practicedoeshelpquiteabit,justdon'tgethungupontalkingfast.Asfor
resources,lookupErickson.
NaughtHypnotist
The"7+/2"thingyhasnothingtodowithtellingastory,interruptingit
(how,specifically?)totellanotherstory.ThescriptsI'vereadandevenvideos
I'veseen,demonstratingthis,areincorrect,asfarasthisprincipleis
concerned.Patterninterrupts,shortcircuitingthebrain,Erickson...sure.
DomFlex
IagreewithHypnaughtyist."Confusion"isaratherstrangeandeasily
misinterpretedterm.However,IconsidertheEricksoniandoublebindan
exampleof"confusion,"anditseemsheandVishanaagree.
Whenwetalkabout"overwhelmingthemindwithinformation,"dowe
includesuchwellknowntechniquesasdoublevoicehypnosis?Iforgetwho
hewas,butbackintheearly90s,ahypnotistwassellingtapesthatsimply
playedtwodifferentinductionsoutofphase.Someoneelsewasoffering
"tagteam"hypnosis(performedbyhimandafemalecolleague),andbythe
late90sanotherpersonwasloopingdigitallymasteredinductionsbackward
andforward(i.e.,samewords,butrecitedinbackwardorder,withboth
playingconcurrently).Doesanyonefeeltheseareexamplesof"confusion"?
IagreealsowithAmHypnotic:thespeedofthedeliveryisnotthemajor
criterion.
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Ican'tresistafinalaside:Wefindsomethinganalogousintheeffectsoffour
handedmassage(sensoryoverload).I'msuspectifwecombinedtheefforts
oftwohypnotistsandtwomassagetherapists,we'dhaveplentyof
"confusion,"andthesubjectwouldtrulybe"outtolunch"!
DomFlex
Sorryatypo:"I'msuspect"shouldread"Isuspect."
KnowItAll
Forthe7+/2IfindthatitworksbestwhenIfairlysimplethings.Things
aroundme.Thingsthesubjectcanhear,see,feel.Iliketowatchmysubject
sothatIcanusethingstheyaredoingaspartoftheprocessaswellasnotice
whenthey'rereadytobe"dropped".
Iliketostartwiththeirbreathing,havingthemfocusonthat.ThenIaddin
theirheartbeat.Thecadenceofmyvoicemightbeone.Youcanusethe
blinkingoftheireyes.Youkeepreinforcingtheitemsbygoingoverthem
againandagain.Remindingthemtofocusonthemasyouaddyetonemore.
Somepeoplewillbereadytogointo"trance"atfiveitems,somewillbeable
togoupto9andthenbeready.Justrememberthatsomepeoplewillfall
outsidethe"norms"andyoumaynevergetthemtothatpointusingthis
methodbecausetheycandealwithmorefocithanyoucan.Ifyougetlost
thenthey'renotgoingtogounder.
I'veusedasubjectsfidgeting,thumbtwiddling,andsuchasapartofit.With
oneexception,thepersoncouldfocusonmoreitemsthanIcould,Ihave
beencompletelysuccessfulusingthismethod.
Icanevenimagineusingasetofballstobeheldinthehands.Solidglass,
steelwithchimes,aluminum,solidplasticwithmulticoloredglitterinit.
That'sfouritemsbutmorethansevensubjectstofocuson.Glassball,steel
ball,aluminumball,plasticball,chimes,variousweights,manycolorsofthe
glitter.Eventheglassballcanbedonelikeabigmarblewithswirlsofcolor.
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Soyouwouldbeusingtactile,visual,andauralsensesallatonceaswellas
engagingthemindintrackingthevariouscolorsandweightsofallofthose.It
addsupquicklyifyouhavesomethinglikethattouse.
Youhavetopayattentiontoyoursubjectsoyouknowwhenthey'reatthe
pointyoucantellthemto"sleep".Ifyoudonothaveenoughexperiencewith
hypnosistorecognizewhenthatisyouneedtopracticemoresothatyoucan
recognizeiteasily.
MsMichelleMsMichelle
Thankyouallfortheresponses!Iknowthatconfusionisnotrequiredinmy
repertoire,butitssomethingthatworksreallywellonmyselfwhenigo
under.
Itsaninductiontechniqueireallyenjoy.
Andsoiwanttolearnmoreaboutit,soicandoitmyself.
Itsgoodtoknowthatthereareotherswaystodothis,thentojusttalking
fast.
Andthat'ssomethingiwillabsolutelylookmoreinto!
Oneofmypersonalfavorite'siswhatwecallthecookieinduction.
Basicallyitsstorytelling,buteveryonceinawhilethytistmumblestheword
cookie.
Youthinktoyourself,didhe/shejustsaycookie?Butthereisnotimetoask,
becausethestoryiscontinues(whichrequiresfasttalking,orthereisaway
formetointerruptthetistandaskifhejustmentionedthewordcookies?!)
Youstartthinkingaboutit,didheordidhenotsayit?
Butyoualsowanttofocusonthestory,causethatswhatheaskedofyou.
Itworksverywellonmeandienjoyitverymuch.
Althoughbynow,iknowwhatwillhappenwhen
ifirstthinkhemighthavesaidcookie,
itstillworks:)
Thankyoufortheinformation!
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Iwillforsurelookmoreintotheresourcesyouallgaveme.
Alsothetwotisttalkingatthesametime..hawt^^
vishnu
The"7+/2"thingyhasnothingtodowithtellingastory,interruptingit
(how,specifically?)totellanotherstory.
Sure,butforsomeonewho'scompletelyunsurehowtodoconfusion,it'sa
nicestartingpoint.Howaboutinsteadoftellingusallhowwrongweare,you
answerthequestioninstead.
MrNightmare
Iamnotahugefanofdoingconfusioninductions,althoughIamsureI
includesomeelementsinthem,moreintermsofEricksonianambiguity,
pronounandtenseshifting,nominalizationandsuch.Ratherthangenerating
asortoflargescalestateofconfusion,itsmoreaboutthesmall
transderivationalsearchmoments,whereapersonhastostepbackand
reviewbuttheyaren'tabletotakethetimetoreallydosowithouthaving
input.
Wiseguywaskindenoughtodemonstratea7+/2athispresentationfor
TESHypnokinkSIGinJuly,andinsteadoffollowingthetrance,Iworkedon
payingattentiontowhathedidthatmadeitworksowell.Partofitisthathe
reallydoesn'trushatall.Hedoesn'tmakeitintoachallengethatmightbring
someonetotryto'beatit'.
SometimesIhearpeoplesaythattheconfusionisusefultohypnotizepeople
whoare'tooanalytical'butgenerallyIthinkkinesthetic,lessverbal
inductionsaremoreeffective.Icanunderstandwhyusingconfusionmightbe
betterintermsofremoteorgroup,ortrancewheretouchwasless
acceptable,butforEroticHypnosis,ifIamfacetofacewithasinglepartner,
itwouldn'tbemychoicesinceittakeslongerthanothertechniques,andit
doessortofbringtheideathatyouaretryingtochallengesomeonetokeep
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trackofthings,asopposedtoengaginginsomethingwherethereis
connectionandintimacy.
Idothinkthatusingmultiplehypnotists,communicatingonmultiplemodes,
and'overloading'someonecanbereallyintenseandpowerfulinduction
method,butIamnotsureitisasmuchconfusionasitissomethingthatlets
someonefeelagreatdealofattentionandthesensethattheycanchoose
whattobeconsciousofwhichofcoursealsomeanstheyarechoosingwhat
theywillacceptunfiltered.
Aslongasyoursignalsaren'tconflicting,generallytheexperienceispleasant,
ratherthancombative.
IamnotsureoverloadandconfusionarethesametypeofinductionnoramI
surethatconfusioninductionsareentirelybasedontransderivational
searching,butitseemslikeaslongasoneismakingchoicesonwhattheyare
doingbasedonthesubject,andhasarangeofapproaches,thereisagreater
chanceofsuccessbyincludingarangeoftechniques.
Mythoughtonhowtoimproveyourownconfusiontechniqueistomakeit
yourown,touseyourbestqualitiesandcapabilities.Ifyoulikeslow
inductionsandyoudon'tliketotalkquickly,thenconsiderhowchanging
pace,orusinggaps,especiallyifyourpartner(s)arelightlyintrance
David
Domn8femsDomn8fems
Confusionworksatmanylevelsandimplementations.Forexample,in
hypnotic/NLPstylelanguagepatterns,wemightsay:Lookingdeepinside..
yourselflettinggo..asyoufeeltheneedgrowingwithin..findingyourself
beinglostinthepleasuredeepinside..asitenvelops..
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Wowyouguysareallreallysmartandveryknowledgeableinthissubject.
Hatsofftoallyouscholars.Iwouldliketosharemythoughts.Thethoughts
ofacompletelyuneducatedandnievepersonwithabsolutelynoformal
trainingoreducationinthissubject.WhatIdohaveisyearsofexperience
livingwithahighlysusceptibleandextremelyinquisitivemind:)
Inmyhumbleopiniononthetopicofconfusionhypnosistalkingfastand
slippinginmumbledwordsandsuggestionsisnottheonlywaytoelicitan
inductionusingconfusion.Somemindshaveapredispositiontoconfusionin
thatmannerothermindsdonot.Ibelievethemoreactivethemindis,the
fasterthemindthinks,themoreconsciousunrelatedmaterialkeptinthe
forefrontofcurrentthoughts,thelesslikelyconfusioninductionwillwork.
Meaningifmybrainprocessesfasterthanyoucantalktheslippedinwords
willbeprocessedtooandeffectivelythesubliminalmessagewillbe
rememberedandnegated.Mindsthatexplodewiththoughtsasinsevere
adhdaremoresusceptibletothoughtaccessresponseprocessbeing
disruptedasopposedtobeingmanipulatedwithhiddensuggestions.Ifit
takes4secondsformetoprocesswhatIjustheardandthehypnotistusesa
3secondsdelaybeforerepeatingthatsamesuggestionthistypeofmind
adaptstothesuggestionmorereadily.Theconfusioncomesfromthe
inabilitytoprocesstheirownconclusionandthereforetheirpreferred
responsetothesuggestion.Howrapidlythewordsneedtobefiredoff
dependsonthespeedofthethoughtprocessesofthesubject.Andthereyou
haveit...theopinionofasubject...lolThismaybecompletelywrongandway
offbasebecauseIliketothinkandfigureoutwhyandhowsomethingticks
drawingonpeoplesexperiencesaswellasafewofmineasopposedto
studyingformally.YeahIknow....i'mrationalizingwhyIdon'ttakeclassesor
studythetopicconventually.....whenitsreallyjust....Ihaveadhdand
studyingsucks....lol
Takecare
SensualHypnoSensualHypno
@MsMichelle
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Ihavelearnedanumberofwaystocreateconfusion.Whilethespeedofthe
wordscanbepartoftheconfusioninduction,itcansimplybeaswitchof
speed.Notalwaysjustthehypnotist,infact,Ithinkitsmoreimportanttouse
thevarianceonthelistenersnormalrateofspeed.Thisispart1
ThenextthingI'veusedisactuallyusingtheword"confusion"oranyofits
manySynonyms.
(bewilderment,puzzlement,perplexity,bafflement,mystification)SoImight
saysomethinglike"don'tletthesoundsofmyvoiceandyourinternalvoice
confuseyourmindwhichmindismindingourthoughts,weallhaveavoicein
sideoratleastitseemstobeacommonexperience,sobewilderingour
mindswithbothinsidevoiceandoutsidevoicecanhappenattimeswhen
youarelisteningandspeciallyifyouhavedecidedtotrytorelaxandgointoa
deeplyrelaxedstate.Mystifyingwordsorideascansimplybeawayforyour
mindtoletgofasterorjustatthespeedthatyourdeeptrancecanstarttogo
tonewlevels.
ThenextstepIuseisthecombinationoftheoldcounting1001,Imakemy
subjectdoitinincrementsof3andeachnumberconsecutivenumber
changescolors,Ionlyuse3differentcolors,butthesubjectisn'ttoldthat.
Thisliveshermindwideopentothepossibilitiesandcreatesthekindof
confusionthatyourmindisnotusedtonomatterhoworganizedyouare
unlessyouarewhatwecalla"polarityresponder"inwhichcase,Icreatethe
oppositestarttochangesomeofthevariables.
Rememberthatthestepsarenotarecommendedsequence,sothatyoucan
startwiththelastoneandendwiththemiddleone.
Ihopethishelpsyou,feelfreetoaskanyquestionsorformoreideas.
ZebraDom
Confusioninductionscanbeinafewflavors.
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Asmentionedabovejustoverloadingtheamountofthingsyouarehaving
someonethinkaboutkeepstheconciousmindbusyorjustprovidinga
uselessamountofalotofdetail.
Astorywithinastorywithinastorysothatthepersonisstrugglingtokeep
up.
Amanwenttothestoretobuysomeeggs...ohthatremindsofsomething
thathappendedtomyeggsinthecarandyeahmycarisalwaysnecessaryto
gettothestorebutnowidon'tknowwhattodowiththeeggs"
Wordswithmultiplemeanings.Thisismyfavoriteandveryeasytodo"
Whenyoucometoapathyoucangototheleftortheright.Itisyourchoice,
butifyougototherighthowwillyouknowitistherightchoicebecause
perhapsyouhaveleftsomethingbehind.Butifyoustilldecidetogotheleft
bank,willitfeelright?"Justchoosewordswithmanymeanings"bank"isa
goodexamplebankformoneytheplaneisbankingtheleftbankoftheriver
Doublenegativesinsentencesuseupalotofconciouspowertotryand
decipherthemastheyaregibberishinEnglish.
"Inotthecardoesn'tworkbutnoonehasneveraccomplishedbynotfixing
nothing.Whatdoyouthink?"Ifsomeoneislookingatyoupuzzledyouareon
therighttrack:)
Agreewithothercommentsitdoesnothavetobefast.Inthemidstofthis
youjustinsertingyourothersuggestionsCheersZran
ambersub
@Onelegitbritpleasedon'tworryaboutbeinganovice.Someofthemost
valuableinsightsIhavereceivedonthistopicisbecauseofpeoplewhocan
relatetomylevelofskill(whichisnotveryhigh,exceptasatrancer).Not
onlythat,buteventheexpertsherewillagreethathypnosishasasmuchart
toitasscience.Thatiswhatmakesitsoendlesslyfascinating.
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Thanksmishisub:)
teamfluffy
Lookforstuffonpatterninterruptsorthehandshakeinduction.Mostofthe
confusioninductionsIdoarefreeformramblingswithplentyofspurious
logicbutlayeringthosewiththetimingofpatterninterruptsishugelymore
effective.Somyadviceistogetyourpatterninterruptskillsdowncoldand
thentryconfusionagain.
Overloadisprettyeasytooandyoucandothatslow.Justkeepgivingthem
ongoingtasksuntilthey'reobviouslytrancesandthenswitchtoyourfamiliar
patter.
Ericc
Isometimesgiveahighlyeducatedpersonachallengethatmakeshim
concentratehardforfearofmakingamistakeandlookingsilly.
Countingdownfrom3001,withablindfoldon,whileholdingsomerealchalk
inhishandandwritingthenumbersintheairasbigaspossible,withbig
loopsintheletters.Hehastosaythenumberatthesamespeedaswritingit,
andittakesalotofconcentrationnottosaythewrongnumber.
Atanytime,youcantalktohimwithlowvolumesuggestionsthathecan't
processwithoutpausinghiscountandpossiblylosingcount.Youcan
reinforcetheimportanceofgettingthecountexactlyrightashestartsthe
countdownorthepretaskchat,whenyouchallengehimtohaveagotosee
ifheisupforthechallenge.
Theblindfoldshutsouttheworldshutsout90%ofincomingdataintothe
mindthroughthesenses,andletsthebetabrainwavesslowdowntoalpha
speed.
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Theremanychallengesyoucangivetoananalyticalmindwhichcaninvolve
theEGO.
Ericc
Whenhegetsabouthalfwaythecountdown,youcanslipintothe
conversationandsuggestthenumberswillrunoutby109andhewilltakea
welldeservedrestbreakbyfallingintoadeepsleepwhilsthecontinuesto
listentoyourvoice.
KnowItAll
Yes,dosuggesttheygointoadeepsleepandthat'sjustwheretheywillend
upasleep.Howyouphrasethingsmatters.Ifyou'rewaiting150countsto
dropthepersonyou'redoingitwrong.
ambersub
Ericcthisisveryinteresting.Thisseemslikeitwouldworkonveryactive
minds.Thetricksoundslikeitmightbegettingthevolumejustright.
MrDangerMrDanger
I'dliketoactuallyhearorseesomeconfusioninductions.Ihavenotbeen
abletofindanyonyoutube.
AnyonehavelinkstoresourceswhereImightbeabletofindsome?
MrDanger
scratchthat...Ididn'tfindanyonyoutubethatIfoundparticularly'useful'
KnowItAll
AgreatintroductiontomanyformsofinductioncanbefoundinWiseguy's
"Busman'sHoliday".Agoodfunread.
Ericc
Asthecountdownprogresses,youwatchhowyoursubjectismakingthe
sweepingcirclestogetcluesthatyoucanrunthenumbersoutsooner.It
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dependsonhowquicklyyoursubjectgetsfocusedonthetaskandstops
noticingdistractions.
Themadhattermightgetfasterresultsifhechangedthecolourofhishator
learnttheEnglishwayofspellingcolor.Redisnotafastrelaxer,especiallyif
ithasawidebrimandtoomuchblack.DerrenBrownneverworeahat,
whichcouldexplainwhyhismagicisbetterthanthemanhidinghisbald
patchwithahat.
Ooooh,it'slikeacoldreading,onlymorepathetic!!!
Ericc
OooooohrrrrrrrrrrrrrrIlostmybradon'tknowwheremy
knickersare.
Ericc
WorkingwithanEGOorahighlyintelligentmind,isaspecialskillwhichwhen
masteredismorepowerfulthanyoucouldeverimagineittobe.
Ifyoudon'tknowwhereyourknickersare,youbetternotsitdownonanicy
parkbenchoryoumaycumratherquiklyasanearlyriser.
Ifyoulearntoputaskepticalmindintoa"mindprisontrancestate",you
needtoknowwhattodowithsuchacaptiveaudience,orallyoureffortwill
bewasted.
Skepticsareabreedoftheirowntheyhaveafootineachcampandnever
knowwhattobelieve,Ikidyounot?Theymightberight,butthenagain,the
mightnot.Theyarescarredofbeingprovenwrong.
Askepticcan'tdecidebetweenatonneoffeathers,atonneofrasberries,or
atonneofhugs/cuddles.
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Bestgiftforaskepticistobuyhimabiggertorch,sohecanseemoreclearly
thesolutiontohisproblem.
iloveithardandfast
hIeveryoneIhavebeenabusedwhilegrowingupandwasalwayslooking
overmy
shouldersoIneverhadaimaginationsinceIstayedtomyselfforsolongasa
resultI
developedaconditionofnotbeingabletotrustalotsoitshardtoopenup
tothings
likethat...isthereawayIcangetpastthattowhereIcanbehypnotized
becauseIhave
beentryingtogethypnotizedfromcd'sandfromtryingtodoitmyselfonline
butdoes
notseemtoworkcananyonehelpmetowhereIcanbeeasiertodoiteach
time
Lord_Malachi
Tomyunderstandingconfusioninductionatitscoreworksbypresenting
someonewithmanythoughtsorstatementsthathavenologicalconnection
orstructure,butseemto.Becausethebrainconstantlytriestointerpret
speechandputstatements,likesentencesfromastory,intoaframework,
thiscanbeabusedbytalkingtothehypnoteeinwaysthathavetangential
connectiontoeachotherbutareinfactconvincingnonsense.Astheperson
triesfutilelytounderstandthehypnotistandconnectallthestatementthey
findthemselvesincreasinglyconfusedwithmoreloseendsthatcan'tbe
connected.Eventually,theygiveup,likesomeonewatchingadense,
pretentiousandmeaninglessartfilmandsortofjustacceptthewords,
allowingthehypnotisttofullytrancethemastheystopthinkinginselfaware
waysoraboutthelogicofthehypnotist'swordsandceasingtoanalysethe
commands.
Ericc
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Confusionisashortcuttoachievingatrancestate.Itcapturestheirfocuson
onethingonly,sootherdistractionsintheroomarenolongerintheir
thoughts.
Theirmindisforcedto"goinsidetheirmemorybanks"totryandsolvethe
statement,andyoucantellwhetherthisishappeningbywatchingaperson's
eyesifyouknowthesignstolookfor.
Whilethemindisconfusedforacoupleofsecondsorlonger,youcanplace
suggestionsintothesubconsciousmind.Theconsciousmindcanonlyhandle
onethingatatime,soitcan'tbeconfusedandalsolistentothesuggestions
atthesametime.
Itusuallydoesnottakelongforapersontosay,"thatdoesnotmakesense",
butyourwordshavebeenplantedandtheywon'tevenrealise.
Therearemanywaystocauseconfusion,andIamsimplifyingittoone
componentonly.
Themainreasonforhypnosisnotworkingisabusymindthatisracingtoo
fasttoshutoutdistractions.Therearewaysofmakingthebrainslowright
downtoanalpha/thetastate.
Ifyouwanthypnosistowork,thenyoumustlistentothehypnotist'svoice
andthinkofnothingelse.Ifyoucandothattotalattention,thenyouwillgo
downintoaverydeepsomnabulismstate,readytoreceivesuggestionsthat
havebeenagreedoninadvance.
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