P.

Eng Licensing Process

Information Session

McMaster B.Tech. Students

Hamilton - Ontario
March 23, 2013
Moody Samuel Farag, M.Eng., P.Eng.
Manager-Admissions

Agenda

Professional Engineers Ontario

Professional Engineering
Types of Licences
P.Eng. Licence Requirements
Process Flow
Questions

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Professional Engineers Ontario

(R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER P.28)

Through the Professional Engineers Act (PEA),

Professional Engineers Ontario governs licence and
certificate holders and regulates professional engineering
in Ontario to serve and protect the public.
The principal object of the association is to regulate the
practice of professional engineering and to govern its
members in order that the public interest is served and
protected. It protects the public by ensuring all
professional engineers have met the rigorous
qualifications for licensing and that only properly qualified
individuals practise engineering

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Professional Engineering
(R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER P.28)

Section (1) of the PEA states:

practice of professional engineering means any act of
planning, designing, composing, evaluating, advising,
reporting, directing or supervising that requires the
application of engineering principles and concerns the
safeguarding of life, health, property, economic interests,
the public welfare or the environment, or the managing of
any such act

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Types of Licences
(R.S.O. 1990, CHAPTER P.28)

Licences issued to Individuals under the PEA include:

Professional Engineering Licence (P.Eng);
Limited Licence (LL);
Provisional Licence (PL);
Temporary Licence (TL);

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P.Eng. Licence Requirements

(Guide - Page 3)

To be granted a licence to practice professional engineering

the applicant must:
be at least 18 Years of Age
be of Good Character
hold an undergraduate engineering degree from a
Canadian Engineering Accreditation Board (CEAB)accredited program or possess equivalent qualification.
have successfully completed PEOs Professional
Practice Examination (PPE)
demonstrate at least 48 months of verifiable,
acceptable engineering experience, at least 12 months
must be under a licensed P.Eng.
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P.Eng. Licence Requirements

(/cont. academics)
(Guide - Page 3)

33. (1) Each applicant for a licence shall comply with the
following rules:
The applicant shall demonstrate that he or she has obtained,

i.

ii.

a bachelor's degree in an engineering

program from a Canadian university that is
accredited to the Councils satisfaction, or
equivalent engineering educational
qualifications recognized by the Council.

Note:
McMaster B.Tech. graduates who apply for a P.Eng.
Licence are assigned a Specific Examination Program
(SEP) to demonstrate equivalency.
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P.Eng. Licence Requirements

(/cont. academics)
(Guide - Page 3)

e.g. Manufacturing Engineering Technology Program

graduates until and including the 2007 academic year the
specific program of examinations is the following:
Section A (2 exams): Kinematics and Dynamics of Machines &
Design of Machine Elements;
Section B (2 exams): excluding Finite Element Analysis;
Engineering Economics;
Engineering Report

What about graduates after 2007?

Info provided to the school

What about graduates from other B.Tech programs?

SEP to be determined by PEO upon application
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P.Eng. Licence Requirements

(/cont. academics)
(Guide - Page 5 under SEP)

How to address the SEP:

Write PEO exams;
More than 10 years of engineering experience following
the conferral of the B.Tech degree, applicants may be
invited to attend an interview to discuss how experiential
knowledge should be taken in consideration against each
of the assigned exam;
Course in lieu of writing PEO exams, must be preapproved by PEO.

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P.Eng. Licence Requirements

(/cont. PPE )
(Guide - Page 6)

The Professional Practice Exam (PPE) consists of an

Examination of Law and Ethics for the Practice of
Professional Engineering in Ontario
The PPE must be Passed by all Applicants for Licensure

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P.Eng. Licence Requirements

(/cont. experience )
(Guide - Page 6)

Regulations section 33.(2) states: Each applicant for a

licence shall comply with the following rules:
The applicant shall demonstrate that he or she has had 48
months of experience in the practice of professional
engineering.
Up to 12 months of the practical experience referred to
above may be acquired after the applicant has completed
one-half of the classroom component of the degree or
equivalent educational qualifications. The balance shall be
acquired after the degree or equivalent educational
qualifications are obtained..
At least 12 months of the balance referred to above shall be
acquired in a Canadian jurisdiction, under the supervision
of a P.Eng.
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P.Eng. Licence Requirements

(/cont. experience )
(Guide - Page 6)

PEO evaluates each applicant experience against the five,

quality-based criteria:
Application of theory;
E.g. Analysis, Design, synthesis.

Practical experience;
E.g. Testing, Implementation methods

Management of Engineering;
Communication Skills; and
Awareness of the Social Implications of Engineering

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Process Flow
(Guide - Page 7)
CEAB Applicants
Academic Assessment

Qualifies for EIT

(must mark the
box in the P.Eng.
Application)

Professional
Practice Exam

Non-CEAB Applicants
Academic Assessment

P. Eng
Licence

Applicant
Request
Staff
Referral

Exempt from
Technical Exams

Assign Exam
Program

Experience
Assessment

ERC
Interview

ERC
Interview

Notes:
Pass Exam Program

Does not meet minimum

Academic Requirements

McMaster B.Tech graduates are assigned Specific Examination Program and qualify
for enrollment in the EIT.
EIT program allows applicants with less than three years engineering experience to
have the quality of their experience reviewed by the EIT unit, however applicants with
substantial years of experience that also have acquired one year of Canadian
engineering experience who met the academic requirements and passed the PPE
will have their experience assessed for licensure and not as part of the EIT.
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Questions?
Q.1) What information is required for applying to the PEO?
McMaster transcripts and course descriptions, college
transcripts and course descriptions, Letters from
supervisors, job descriptions, resumes/CVs, etc?
A.1) Applicants should submit all the supporting
documents as stated in the Guide, such as: Academic
documents on page 4, Experience record on page 10,
References on page 11, Proof of Identification on page
10..etc.

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Questions?
Q.2) How long does the PEO need to review an
application?
A.2)
Usually applicants should expect a reply
within 8 weeks from the time PEO receives all the
supporting documents. See Guide P 7.
Note: sometimes it may take longer depending on the
number of applications in process.

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Questions?
Q.3) When is the earliest you can apply/have your file
reviewed by PEO? Can it be reviewed before completion
of the B Tech program (in anticipation of graduation)?
A.3) Theoretically any body can apply anytime; however
PEO will not start processing an application unless all the
supporting documents are received, transcript must show
conferral date (i.e. graduation date).

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Questions?
Q.4) When is the latest you can apply/have your file
reviewed by PEO relative to your graduation year?
A.4) There are no restrictions under the current legislation

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Questions?
Q.5) How are the B Tech students that apply individually
evaluated? Does a students GPA, electives chosen,
work experience, etc make a difference during the
evaluation?
A.5) In general, applications are assessed on a case by
case bases (individual assessment), the outcome of the
assessment depends on each applicants academic
preparations. Applicants may have more than one degree
or may have taken different options or may request to be
assessed in the discipline of their practice rather than the
discipline of their degree. However, B.Tech. mfg. eng.
grad. are usually assigned a standard program because
of the assurance provided by the school to PEO.

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Questions?
Q.6) How many students need to apply from my program
stream before the PEO will review the program? Can
students that apply individually before the program is
reviewed expect to have the same number of challenge
exams as those who apply after the review takes place?
A.6) Enough applicants to justify the time taken to undergo
such a review and also to ensure the maturity of the
program and its sustainability (it is common for new
programs to evolve for improvement purposes).
The number of gap (not challenging!) exams assigned
will depend on the (elective) courses taken by each
applicants.

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Questions?
Q.7) What PEO engineering disciplines would B.Tech.
grads from each stream be eligible to apply to?
A.7) PEO currently has about 30 recognized disciplines
such as Civil, Mechanical, etc (complete list available
on PEO website). Applicants are assessed in the closest
discipline to their academics unless the applicant
requested otherwise.

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Questions?
Q.8) I am a student enrolled in Process Automation. The
skills I learn in school fall under control system
engineering, but this field is not listed by Engineers
Canada. How will I be evaluated? In what field will be
the exams that I have to write?
A.8) Unless the applicant indicates a specific preference,
PEO will assess an applicant in the closest discipline to
the academics resulting in the least number of exams.

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Questions?
Q.9) Why do I have to write challenge exams?
A.9) If an individual wishes to practice professional
engineering he/she must meet the legislated
requirements. Rather than rejecting the application PEO
provides that individual with an opportunity to augment
his/her academics to meet the requirements and
therefore these exams are deficiencies that were
identified, I would not consider them challenging exams.
See guide page 4

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Questions?
Q.10) When assessing for challenge exams, does the PEO
factor in my college program specialization? (for DCP
only)
A.10) All applicant's academic preparation will be
considered and applicants would be assigned an exam
program to bridge the gap in their preparation in
comparison to the requirements for licensure, usually it is
a Specific Examination Program. See page 4 of the
licensing guide.

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Questions?
Q.11) If I continue with a Masters program in Engineering,
will I be evaluated differently?
A.11) Please note that post graduate degrees are not
accredited by CEAB, however, all applicant's academic
preparation will be considered when applying to PEO.
Applicants with postgraduate degrees may still be
assigned an exam program because post graduate
programs may not necessary cover the deficiencies
identified. Bridging the gaps is therefore necessary;
usually such applicants may be assigned a Specific
Examination Program. See page 4 & 5 of the licensing
guide.
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Questions?
Q.12) For the exams to be written for the PEO, could
university courses be taken in lieu?
A.12) Yes, this may be an option, but course(s) in lieu of
writing PEO exams must be pre-approved by PEO, see
Guide page 5.
In general for a course-in-lieu to be approved, it must satisfy
some criteria such as:
Cover PEOs exam material, some exams may not be
covered by one university course and multiple courses may
be required to cover one PEO exam;
Must be a course taken by CEAB students;
Taught by a P.Eng.;
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etc

Questions?
Q.13) Does the PEO take into consideration past work
experience besides academics when evaluating for
challenge exams?
A.13) Applicants who are assigned Specific Examination
Program (Gap exams) and has acquired more than 10
years of engineering experience following the conferral
of the B.Tech degree, may be invited to attend an
interview to discuss how experiential knowledge should
be taken in consideration against each of the assigned
exams. See Guide page 5.

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Questions?
Q.14) Where does one find the necessary study material for
PEO exams?
A.14) PEO provides to its applicants the syllabus and
suggested text listings, past exams are available from
PEO office at a nominal value. Applicants have the
freedom to choose how they prepare for the exams.

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Questions?
Q.I5) If I complete all the technical exams but haven't
gotten my 4 years of work experience, can I still go to
Kipling and get my ring? Or do I have to wait till I
complete all the PEO requirements and attain my P.Eng
first?
A.15) To find out about The Ritual of the Calling of an
Engineer please contact Camp #13 which is at
McMaster University, camp13@mcmaster.ca

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Questions?
Q.16) When does the PEO begin counting experience
requirements? (i.e. before or after the academic
requirements/challenge exams are satisfied)?
Q.17) For the more experienced student who have
performed engineering work under the guidance of an
engineer before graduation, can that work experience be
taken into consideration? Is management of
technical/engineering staff and activities consideration for
work experience?
Q.18) Will my co-op placements be considered as work
experience?
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Questions?
Q.19) Do I need to be working directly under a P.Eng. for all
4 years?
Q.20) Once the PEO examinations are completed, how do
you go about getting your experience considered if
previous work experience is present? Does the PEO need
a signed form from supervisor(s) (P Eng) to prove that
work before completion of examinations was at the EIT
level (or an equivalent form of proof)? Can you challenge
PEOs decision on this matter?
Q.21) Will international experience be considered?
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Questions?
Q.22) Would a Masters degree count towards the
experience requirements?
A.16-22) Covered before, see page 10 of the licensing guide
and for more information please read the Guide to the
Required Experience for Licensing as a Professional
Engineer in Ontario.

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Questions?
Q.23) Does the PEO have any statistics on graduates from
the B. Tech program becoming Licensed successfully?
A.23) Stats does not help much. Meeting the licensure
requirements are individual achievements. Some B.Tech
graduates not only were licenced but they did very well
and were offered awards in PEOs Annual General
Meetings.

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Questions?
Q.24) Does the PEO accept engineers that have been
licensed in the US or other provinces?
A.24) PEO has no reciprocity agreements with any of the
US states. However a P.Eng. in another Canadian
province or territory in good standing can transfer to
PEO. Refer to page 3 of the licensing guide under
transfers.

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Questions?
Q.25) Would my P.Eng. license be recognized in other
provinces or outside of Canada?
A.25) You should inquire at the other Canadian province or
territory.

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Questions?
Q.26) Does the PEO recommend any other pathways to
becoming Licensed for B. Tech graduates after
graduation that would lead to greater career success?
A.26) Not too sure that I understand the question. But it was
explained earlier how B.Tech applicants can meet the
licensure requirements.

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Questions?
Q.27) What is the difference between a limited and full
license?
Q.27) I hope by now, you have a clear understanding of the
P.Eng. Licence. As for a Limited Licence, it is issued to
an individual who, as a result of at least 13 years of
specialized experience, has developed competence in a
certain area of professional engineering, this area defines
the limitation of his/her practice. To find out all the
requirements for a LL , please check Regulation 941,
amended to O. Reg. 692/00, sections 45 and 46 also
more information is available on PEOs website
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Questions?
Q.28) Can you explain Bill 68 Repeal of Industrial
Exemption and what it will mean for B.Tech. grads?
A.28) To put it simply, I like to quote President Denis Dixon,
P.Eng, he wrote in the Engineering Dimension
March/April 2013 issue: As approved by the
government on February 27, 2013, effective September
1, 2013, those responsible for professional engineering
work in relation to production machinery or equipment
must be licensed by PEO to perform such work. The
repeal will improve workplace safety and efficiency and
provide higher standard of professional accountability
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Thank you

Moody Samuel Farag, M.Eng., P. Eng.

Manager Admissions

e-mail: mfarag@peo.on.ca
www.peo.on.ca