Gs500f Vs Ninja 250r

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Ninja 250R or GS500F?
Hey, I'm looking to buy my first bike sometime soon. I was going to go for a Ninja 650R but that
seems a little bit out of reach money-wise...So I'm looking for a cheaper alternative. I found a good
amount of Ninja 250R's and GS500F's for around $2500. I'm not sure the ninja would be good for me
because I'll be using it in the highway for about 1 hour a day. Would the ninja be able to handle an
hour on the highway each day or would i be better off getting the GS?
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I rode a 250 and I liked it. Compared to my bike its obviously a space ship, but still I was convinced
that people on this forum know what they are talking about when they recommend starting with the
250. Sure its only a 250, but its just enough to stay out of serious trouble yet enough to be serious
fun.
I liked everything about it, really really cool little bike. I highly recommend it.
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Get the GS500F. You'll thank me later.
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My main concern is being able to drive on the highway 5 days a week to and from college, the GS
seems more my speed when it comes to that.
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I ride my 250 on the highway all the time to school and out to the twisties. It keeps up just fine and I
always have power available if I need to speed up. I just threw a double bubble on it and it works fine.
It's comfortable too.
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Ninja 250 all the way.
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I'd go with the GS. I got a Monster 620 for my first bike and it's fine. Honestly as long as you stay
away from the 600+ I4 engines you should be ok.
I would argue you get a naked for your first bike so if you drop it(When, really), you won't bust up
hundreds of dollars worth of plastics.
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Ninja 250 all the way.
You still gotta post your pic of your 500r though. I love that thing!
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Generally, the 250 not having enough power on the highway is a misconception. And for a new rider
it's a great bike to learn on. Buy it cheap and sell it in 3 months if the highway doesn't work for you.
What's the average speed of traffic on that stretch of road? Is it usually windy?
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IMHO the biggest difference between the two bikes is the riding position. If you are commuting, I
wouldnt get the 250. The way you sit on it pissed me off to no end, but again im not asport bike guy.
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The 250 will handle the freeway okay, but I feel the GS500 is a safer choice, mostly because it has
more passing power at those speeds. On the 250 in traffic you will feel like a sitting duck, and as a
new rider if you don't know what situations to look out for you might find yourself getting hopelessly
boxed in by the mindless SUV drivers.
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I say go with the GS500, like laser max said the 250 would handle the freeway oky but you would not
have alot of power to get out of trouble if you need to. I'm riding a Ninja500 and it's my first bike and
I have been doing oky on it. I have been down twice but one of them were due to me not using my
high beams during the night and the other one is a more embarrassing story of me droping my bike at
a intersection. I also think if you get the GS500 it would last longer as far as not out growing the bike
on skill level. I have had my 500 for 8 months now and I have not come close to useing the full
potional of what the bike can do. Good luck with your choice and have fun but be careful
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Will the 250 handle the highway? Yes.
Will you be better off with the 500? Yes.
Get the 500.
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Generally, the 250 not having enough power on the highway is a misconception. And for a
new rider it's a great bike to learn on. Buy it cheap and sell it in 3 months if the highway
doesn't work for you.
What's the average speed of traffic on that stretch of road? Is it usually windy?
The limit is 70 MPH the entire way, it's about a 30 min drive to my college. This being Michigan, most
of the drivers are pretty bad. The biggest problem is avoiding the "Detroit" drivers who drive with their
seats leaned as far back as possible. "gangstas" if you will. As for the wind, we get a few gusty days
but they're not too common.
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Man I hate cagers. I have lost count on how many times I have been nearly side swiped by cagers
comming into my line and not seeeing me. It's times like thoughs when you will be glide that you have
a little power to maneuver when you need to.
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To put it in terms you will understand. It's like driving on the highway at 85 mph. You can do it in
Pontiac Wave G3. The G3 has more than enough power to drive it at 85 mph until it runs out of gas.
However an old Chevy Impala will feel a lot better doing it.
The GS500 isn't big on HP. It has just enough power to make you think it has power. The 250 might be
safer as it won't lead you on.
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i would reccomend you starting out on the ninja 250 ... start small then work your way on up the
ladder.. i know pepole might say to you get a big bike to start out on, thats fine but you have to
realize that its you riding the bike and not " tom , dick,or harry" .. i can't make your mind up as to
what to by, im just giving you some advice, take it or leave it . i personal started out on a
2006 ninja 250 and for me it was just enough get up and go . since then ive owned 2 bikes, now i
have a 2008 GSXR600 .. take your time and i'm sure you will make the right choice ...
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well I'm in no hurry to buy one right now, I still have to take the MSF course. I guess I'll try them both
out on the road and see how each feels. Thanks for all the advice.
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no problem.. just trying to help you out .. i see u mentioned the MSF course. i took the same course,
they teach you everything there is to know
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Man I hate cagers. I have lost count on how many times I have been nearly side swiped by
cagers comming into my line and not seeeing me. It's times like thoughs when you will be
glide that you have a little power to maneuver when you need to.
That's because you're hanging out too long in their blind spot.
The GS500 is an awesome beginner bike.
Just be careful of neglected ones owned by clueless people.
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id suggest the gs500. its a great starter bike. ive ridden both bikes and i own a gs500. ive ridden a
250 on the highway. yes it can manage but seriously sometimes to get up to speed or passing u have
to wrap the throttle out. id much rather have the small amount of extra power the 500 has.
plus its a fun bike!
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A Ninja 500 or GS 500 would be adequate without being too much for you, no reason not to consider
them. Plenty of passing power, but power is still linear and predictable.
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My main concern is being able to drive on the highway 5 days a week to and from college, the
GS seems more my speed when it comes to that.
I've ridden on the NJ Turnpike (arguably one of the worst designed and worst driven roads in the
country) on both a 250 and a faster bike. While a 250 will do just fine, I think you'll be a lot more
comfortable on a 500 in this particular case for a first bike.
That said, a 250 is great for the twisties or stop and go traffic. And it's so friggin easy to maintain.
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I ride my 250 on the highway all the time to school and out to the twisties. It keeps up just
fine and I always have power available if I need to speed up. I just threw a doublebubble on it
and it works fine. It's comfortable too.
I felt that way my first two years- riding solely on a 250- too. But it starts to feel a little uncomfortable
in traffic where the drivers are all incompetent and want to do 80 despite their driving handicaps, as
well as when it's really windy or there's a lot of trucks out. I know, I know, you just tuck and adjust
your position in the lane to take care of the wind and the trucks, but things are a heckuvalot easier
over 60 mph if you've got a little more horsepower to work with when you're making the trip every
single day.
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The 250 will handle the freeway okay, but I feel the GS500 is a safer choice, mostly because
it has more passing power at those speeds. On the 250 in traffic you will feel like a sitting
duck, and as a new rider if you don't know what situations to look out for you might find
yourself getting hopelessly boxed in by the mindless SUV drivers.
This is how it will feel, but I don't think it's any more dangerous for me to be riding a 250 in traffic at
high speeds and feeling nervous than for me to be on a bike with more horsepower and be lead into a
false sense of complacency.
I think both bikes are safe for highways; it's just that the GS500 will be more comfortable. The goal is
to make sure this guy enjoys riding on his first bike. I believe it will be easier for him to enjoy riding
on a GS500F (or better yet, maybe a cruiser) if he needs to commute every day on the highway.
I DON'T think it's a good idea to use a motorcycle for commuting if you live in Michigan during the
winter. Here in NYC, if it's below 40 degrees, I don't ride. Sportbikes were made to be ridden for the
rush and the fun of it- and commuting every day for an hour on the highway is gonna kill that fun if
you're cold or it makes you feel less comfortable than it could on the highway.
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this is just my opion and others have there opion on this topic... for a first bike , me personaly i would
go the route of the 250 ninja.. it will meet your demands of what you want... i have seen many times
first time riders get a big bike and 9 times out of 10 it ends in disaster , being that i am a member
with a fire-rescue company... last time i seen this happen, i know a local kid, bought himself
a gsxr600 ( hence first bike ) laid it down, skidded approx 80ft, hit a pole,shot across the other lane
and stopped there... he's alive , dont know how... but all that i'm saying is just be carefull on what
YOU want to get .. its YOUR choice.... i'm sure you will make the right decistion on what right...
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this is just my opion and others have there opion on this topic... for a first bike , me personaly
i would go the route of the 250 ninja.. it will meet your demands of what you want... i have
seen many times first time riders get a big bike and 9 times out of 10 it ends in disaster ,
being that i am a member with a fire-rescue company... last time i seen this happen, i know a
local kid, bought himself a gsxr600 ( hence first bike ) laid it down, skidded approx 80ft, hit a
pole,shot across the other lane and stopped there... he's alive , dont know how... but all that
i'm saying is just be carefull on what YOU want to get .. its YOUR choice.... i'm sure you will
make the right decistion on what right...
I totally agree on the GSXR or F4i being a stupid first bike, but a GS500 isn't really in the same league
as a GSXR- or even a Ninja 650.
The consensus on the forums seems to be that any motorcycle that has 250 or 500 ccs is an
acceptable first bike. You'll probably learn faster with the smaller engine on the 250, but an hour every
day is a long time on the highway and you'll learn more in the long run if your first bike doesn't make
the experience so uncomfortable that it's also your last bike.
Honestly, I'd go for a cruiser if you're going to be using the bike for commuting on a regular basis.
There's a reason sportbikes don't have radios, cupholders, and seatbacks- they're more toys than
vehicles.
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have any of u even rode both bikes?
the 250 is plenty capable of riding at freeway speeds but sometimes to pass u have to rev out all the
gears. the 500 is a much more capable highway bike and rides almost exactly the same as a 250.
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i started out on a 2006 ninja 250, THEN after i had got use to that i bought a 2006 Suzuki Katana
600,, AFTER that i bought the 2008 GSXR600 ... to answer your question i rode similargs500 ... i rode
those two bikes that u mentioned .. ya know what.. we are butting heads at this... let this person who
is trying to make his mind up what he wants to do... i don't want to see anyone make the wrong move
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The GS500F would be superior to the 250 for that type of commute. Seriously, there's really no
argument, it's a fact. Both are good beginner bikes. Around town, most people would be hard pressed
to tell much of a difference in performance between them. Gas mileage is similar but the 250
obviously takes the cake. Seriously, not much of a difference other then at higher speeds, such as
freeway speed. Both will work, but the GS will do it with a little bit more comfort.
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have any of u even rode both bikes?
the 250 is plenty capable of riding at freeway speeds but sometimes to pass u have to rev out all
the gears. the 500 is a much more capable highway bike and rides almost exactly the same as a
250.
I rode a 250 for two and a half years. Then I decided I needed something with a little more
acceleration at highway speeds and went for an F4i. Still ride the 250 for track days.
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I have owned a 2007 GS500F and my wife has an

01 Ninja 250 and one of my co-workers just sold his
08 Ninja 250 which I have ridden.
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If you are a little smaller I might suggest the 250 to learn on. I
took a long break from riding and the GS was my first bike in
several years and I outgrew it very quick, the 250 would have
even been worse for me.
GS is a little bigger but not a lot, and I really like the way the
weight is managed on that bike.
It doesn't feel heavy at all, gets great gas mileage as well.
Only real draw back is there isn't as much customizing on
a GS500 compared to a ninja 250, but I left mine stock
anyways when I had it.
If I had it to do over again, being my size I would choose the
500 over the 250, but if you are after looks or are smaller and
won't do much highway commuting etc the 250 might be your
better bet.
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$3500 not including tax/registration/title. After all that, it's

around $4200'ish...
That beats the other dealers who still charge like $3800 for an
08-09 and in the mid $4000's for the 10's..
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I have owned a 2007 GS500F and my wife has an
01 Ninja 250 and one of my co-workers just sold his
08 Ninja 250 which I have ridden.
If you are a little smaller I might suggest the 250 to learn on. I
took a long break from riding and the GS was my first bike in
several years and I outgrew it very quick, the 250 would have
even been worse for me.
GS is a little bigger but not a lot, and I really like the way the
weight is managed on that bike.
It doesn't feel heavy at all, gets great gas mileage as well.
Only real draw back is there isn't as much customizing on
a GS500 compared to a ninja 250, but I left mine stock
anyways when I had it.
If I had it to do over again, being my size I would choose the
500 over the 250, but if you are after looks or are smaller and
won't do much highway commuting etc the 250 might be your
better bet.
seriously, sometimes i wonder if i will out grow the 250 in like 1
yr.. .. i remember when i first bought my beginner's hunter bow
which was an 08 parker spitfire... 3 months later, went to an 08
Bowtech general... another 3 months later, i finally settled for
an 09 PSE Omen, which is totally not a beginner's bow..
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I don't really understand the whole "outgrowing" thing. Yeah,

the bike is a little lacking in the acceleration department, but
it's plenty of bike to learn on and have tons of fun with. I've had
mine for ~4,000 miles and it's still a blast, I'm not bored of it
whatsoever. I would like some more power because I do quite a
bit of highway riding, (which this handles fine, but at 55-65,
there isn't a whole lot of get up n' go) but riding the city streets
and hitting the turns is what this bike is built for.
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Soulless, here is my thoughts.....

When I bought my GS500F it was the first bike I had owned in
a long time, and that was one of the main reasons I went with
that small of a bike.
I went about 100 miles away to pick it up, because it was $700
cheaper than buying it 30 miles away.
By the time I got on the highway, all the old riding came back
to me, by the time I got home I was already almost thinking,
man I should have gotten a 600 or 750.
But, it gave me a year to get back into it and get used to riding
again on a very controlled, easy to ride and manage bike that
still did great on the highway and got great gas mileage.
I owned it almost exactly a year, and then I sold it to my best
friend who was thinking of getting a bike.
I gave him a good deal on it, but if I had tried I probably would
have lost $500 on it. Not bad at all for taking it slow.
If you buy a 250 for say $4500 this year, what will you be out if
you don't wreck it or damage it? $500, maybe?
Another co-worked of mine but an 08 Ninja 250 last summer
for $4000 that had 216 miles on it.
He drove it for a year, dropped it once and did about $480
damage to it because he put the turn signal through the fairing
when it fell over.
We were able to repair the fairing, and honestly if you didn't
know it had been dropped you wouldn't see it until you washed
it, the crack was so very thin it lined back up good.
He sold it 2 months ago for $3800.
So if you lose a little money and "outgrow" a 250 oh well.
You know how much more it would be if you drop a 600 or 750
and bust up the fairings or worse?
If I was to drop my FJR1300 and break one of the side fairings,
I think I would start crying right there on the spot lol.
Heck to replace the stock luggage is like $750 retail, and if you
drop the FJR it will damage one of them.
The really nice thing about ninja 250's and gs500's etc is that
there is always a new group of riders looking for a better deal
on a starter bike.
Those types of bike ALWAYS sell the fastest used it seems.
This is all just my opinion, but it's based on what I have seen
and what I have done in the past.
Take it as you will, but I hope it helps.
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Soulless, here is my thoughts.....
When I bought my GS500F it was the first bike I had owned
in a long time, and that was one of the main reasons I went
with that small of a bike.
I went about 100 miles away to pick it up, because it was
$700 cheaper than buying it 30 miles away.
By the time I got on the highway, all the old riding came back
to me, by the time I got home I was already almost thinking,
man I should have gotten a 600 or 750.
But, it gave me a year to get back into it and get used to
riding again on a very controlled, easy to ride and manage
bike that still did great on the highway and got great gas
mileage.
I owned it almost exactly a year, and then I sold it to my best
friend who was thinking of getting a bike.
I gave him a good deal on it, but if I had tried I probably
would have lost $500 on it. Not bad at all for taking it slow.
If you buy a 250 for say $4500 this year, what will you be out
if you don't wreck it or damage it? $500, maybe?
Another co-worked of mine but an 08 Ninja 250 last summer
for $4000 that had 216 miles on it.
He drove it for a year, dropped it once and did about $480
damage to it because he put the turn signal through the
fairing when it fell over.
We were able to repair the fairing, and honestly if you didn't
know it had been dropped you wouldn't see it until you
washed it, the crack was so very thin it lined back up good.
He sold it 2 months ago for $3800.
So if you lose a little money and "outgrow" a 250 oh well.
You know how much more it would be if you drop a 600 or
750 and bust up the fairings or worse?
If I was to drop my FJR1300 and break one of the
side fairings, I think I would start crying right there on the
spot lol.
Heck to replace the stock luggage is like $750 retail, and if
you drop the FJR it will damage one of them.
The really nice thing about ninja 250's and gs500's etc is that
there is always a new group of riders looking for a better deal
on a starter bike.
Those types of bike ALWAYS sell the fastest used it seems.
This is all just my opinion, but it's based on what I have seen
and what I have done in the past.
Take it as you will, but I hope it helps.
very good post.. thanks. i recently purchases me a 2010 250R
for $4300 out the door with everything. I have my permit and
have been riding for 3 days now on smaller streets. I have
several buddies who are pros so they've taught me well. I'm
still thinking about taking the course when there are open
slots. I guess it really depends too though.
I have not fallen over.. @ least i hope i will never.
yes, you
are right about being able to sell these lower end bikes
quickly.. The day, I bought this bike, 3 other newbies bought
the same exact model from the dealership too. Funny because
some of the 250R's on CL that i looked at and considered
buying are no longer available..
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don't actually race? Are you ever worried about "outgrowing"

your car? lulz ok kewl cuz a 250r is faster than it.
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Nobody outgrows a 250r's handling...just the straightline

acceleration. People who don't mind the lack of power can
live with these bikes indefinitely. People who value
acceleration with good handling eventually upgrade. I'll have
another 650R eventually, but right now I'm having fun with
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since they changed body styles, i'd certainly go with

the ex250 (ninja)
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i ended up with the 250 since there are more stuff/after market
stuff for it. Looks better too...
2010 blue brand new
havent dropped her yet after riding for like 2 weeks now. i'm
actually much better than i thought..
I was bit scare about all
this counter steering, but it came naturally... Been riding in
normal traffic and freeway lately..
yes, i am all geared up...
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Nice looking scooter!

Hope that you both enjoy many, many miles together
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If you want to compare bikes, use the ninja 500 in the comparison to the GS500. Though I would say
if you want to go with a 250, the ninja wins out in every comparison including resale.
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goal12, thanks for your quick post! I wanted to compare these two bikes as I find similar prices on
craigslist. Most likely as you mentioned, Ninja 250 has better resale value. So if I can get these two
bikes at same price, which one would be a smarter choice? Basically, two most important factors for
me are reliability and beginner friendly bike. Thanks!!!
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If those two are the ones you like, go with the 250R. It won't have as much power as the GS500, so
it'll be better beginner friendly, and I personally think the GS500 is uglier than crap. The 250 will also
get you ridiculous gas mileage (if you care about that sort of thing). Personally, I learned on my 600,
so if I were you, I'd go get a cheap used 600. Even after you learn to control the 600, you won't get
bored with it like you will with the 250 or GS500. I still have my first bike, had it 5 years now, and I
still enjoy it.
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I learned on the second gen 250 (2007) and it was a blast. I made so many mistakes that were easily
corrected on the 250. I think my 09 6r would have taken me straight to the casket. Take the MSF
course and ride their 250's and see how it feels like. If you want more power move up to 500 or even
650, not the 600. Trust me, there will be 600's around when its time to move up. All the squids that
were to scared will sell them like hot cakes.
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When I got into riding I got a 2008 250, my bro got a zuki gs500f.
They are very comparable on the the streets as far as far as performance. Of course the 500 had
some more nuts, but like other people are saying the 500 is a pretty ugly bike. Worst part is
the handle bars- The old school 1 peice things.
Bottom line, I still ride my 250, and my bro has been through a couple bikes looking for something he
likes! Go with the 250 it won't dissapoint
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the 250 will prob he easyer to learn on and id say the reliablity is about the same. id agree the 250
look a millon times better than the wanta be gixxer. but after you learned the basics the 500 would
keep you intertained longer. but both is a good starting point
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welcome, get the ninja 250, looks much nicer
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My two cents...
My first bike was a 250r. Initially I liked it being that it was light weight, cheap, easy to handle, and
got great gas mileage.
However, after driving it several times on the highway, I realized it's a terrible bike for highway use. It
has no power and trying to go 65 to 70mph has you at 8,000 rpm. You feel like you're going to burn it
up if you go any faster. But the scariest thing for me is trying to merge onto highways or get out of a
blind driver's way. There is so little power that when you need to get up and go in a hurry and your life
depends on it, you really can't.
It's also funny to me that everyone here is saying the GS500f is ugly because I personally feel like the
Ninja, both 250 and 500, are ugly. They look like scooters with their front wheels andhandle bars the
way they are. The front wheel has a huge gap between it and the front fairing. I hate that. My hubby
drives a Superhawk and my 250 looked so much like a scooter next to his bike. I am not a fanatic of
one make or another so hopefully my opinion will be less biased.
I am actually looking for a GS500f for sale right now and that's how I happened to find this post.
Maybe the GS500f is a "wannabe" as someone else said, but I feel it comes closer to looking like a
real sport bike then the Ninjas.
By the way, I'm small and petite. Only 5'5". So anything bigger is out of the question for me. That was
why I picked the 250 initially, but I just wasn't happy with it. Good luck with your choice.
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My first bike was a 250r. Initially I liked it being that it was light weight, cheap, easy to handle, and
got great gas mileage.
blind driver's way. There is so little power that when you need to get up and go in a hurry and your
life depends on it, you really can't.
It's also funny to me that everyone here is saying the GS500f is ugly because I personally feel like the
Ninja, both 250 and 500, are ugly. They look like scooters with their front wheels and handle bars the
way they are. The front wheel has a huge gap between it and the front fairing. I hate that. My hubby
drives a Superhawk and my 250 looked so much like a scooter next to his bike. I am not a fanatic of
one make or another so hopefully my opinion will be less biased.
I am actually looking for a GS500f for sale right now and that's how I happened to find this post.
Maybe the GS500f is a "wannabe" as someone else said, but I feel it comes closer to looking like a
real sport bike then the Ninjas.
By the way, I'm small and petite. Only 5'5". So anything bigger is out of the question for me. That
was why I picked the 250 initially, but I just wasn't happy with it. Good luck with your choice.
My wife's first bike was an 07 GS500F. We both liked it a lot. It is what it is, just like the 250R. The
250R, having less power, requires you to develop skills and tactics above and beyond twisting the
throttle. Seems to me you've already expressed your bias. You're telling me this looks more like a
"real sport bike" than this? The GS500F is a sportbike that's a lot closer to a sport-tourer than a
supersport. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Look at the higher bars and the dual saddle. What is it
about the front wheel that you hate so much?
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My wife's first bike was an 07 GS500F. We both liked it a lot. It is what it is, just like the 250R. The
250R, having less power, requires you to develop skills and tactics above and beyond twisting the
throttle. Seems to me you've already expressed your bias. You're telling me this looks more like a
"real sport bike" than this? The GS500F is a sportbike that's a lot closer to a sport-tourer than a
supersport. That's not an opinion, that's a fact. Look at the higher bars and the dual saddle. What is it
about the front wheel that you hate so much?
Ok well this is my fault... I was thinking of the older body style Ninjas. I guess my train of thought
was that most people won't buy a brand new bike for there first. The older style had the same seat
style as the GS500 you showed there and looking at those Ninjas from different angles just really
reminded me of an old school moped or something. You are right that if you are going to buy a new
Ninja, then yes, they are pleasing to the eye.
As for your comment about skills and tactics, yes... you do need those most importantly, but there are
often situations when using the gas with those skills is the best thing. For instance, my experience,
having merged onto a highway and doing 70mph in the right hand lane, a guy in a pickup truck pulling
a long trailer was in the lane beside me talking on his phone. I was up front where he should have
seen me, but he clearly was not paying attention. He started to speed up and pass me with intentions
of coming into my lane (which I didn't know as he did not use a blinker). The best thing for me to do
would be to speed up as I was closer to the front of his vehicle, but he had sped up pretty fast and
started coming over into my lane. My little 250 was already at high rpm. So I practically had to slam
on the brakes and ended up driving on the birm because his trailer was so long and he came over so
quick. There have been a few situations where having more power would have been much better then
trying to just maneuver or slow down.
Don't get me wrong, I am not trying to dog the Ninja's. I mean, getting a 500 would fix the issue with
the lack of power. And the 250 makes a perfect bike for city driving and is excellent on gas mileage.
That's just my opinion from personal experience having owned the slightly older body style. I didn't
like it and the only way I would buy a Ninja now is if it were the 500 and the new body style. My
problem is they are way more expensive then the older GS500f which still has a body style I like. So in
terms of price plus eye candy... the older GS500f wins it for me. If I could afford a 2009 Ninja, I would
probably go with that.
I attached the style Ninja I was thinking of and you can see the huge gap between the fairing and
wheel. My preference is... I can't stand that. Makes me think... moped. They certainly made the new
Ninjas look much better.
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blind driver's way. There is so little power that when you need to get up and go in a hurry and your
life depends on it, you really can't.
.
This is a fairly typical newbie post.
The 250 isn't the best bike for highways admittedly, but it's fine for regular short highway trips or
occasional longer ones.
The power is there for cruising at up to about 80mph. All you need to do is use the gear box, as it
should be used. Sure it revs high. It's designed to. What makes the 250 such a good bike to learn on
is that if you want to travel at decent speeds you have to learn how to ride it and extract the power.
On a 500 at 65 - 70 mph you just open the throttle a bit more, and as result you don't learn anything.
Same with merging. It's plenty fast enough and powerful enough if you learn to ride it properly. Off
the highway there's no real arguement. The 250 is better all round. It's sharper on thesteering and
much more agile.
So to answer White Angel - the GS500 has more mid range torque which makes it easier to ride on
the highway, and gives more relaxed cruising. It doesn't teach you as much though.
The 650 teaches you even less in some ways, and can get a newbie into real trouble unless it's ridden
with restraint. The trouble there is that if you ride it with restraint you never learn to ride it properly.
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The ninja is lighter by about 75 lbs. The GS is still pretty light.

The ninja has around 36 HP. The GS has around 50. Both put out much less to the wheels
and are fairly mild.
The ninja has all that pretty plastic that can break if you drop it. A used GS is naked,
survives drops better, but can beat you up a bit more at high speeds. The newer GS' are
faired and have a bit of a GX-R look to them if that's your thing. The ninja looks somewhat
dated, if you don't like that sort of thing.
The ninja is liquid cooled, might work slightly better sitting in hot weather. The GS is air
cooled, so it has 1 less fluid to change and 1 less thing to break.
They both have similar carb setups.
The stock suspension on both suck, but can be easily improved by swapping fork springs
and possibly a rear shock from a better bike.
Both may or may not be considered sport bikes by some insurance companies. Progressive
quotes me $75 a year for either of them.
The ninja will get around 70 MPG with mild driving. The GS will get around 60 MPG with mild
driving.
The ninja has a slightly lower seat height, though both are pretty low.
The ninja is somewhat of a smaller bike. The GS isn't big, but is a bit larger than the ninja.
That's all I can think of
I made the decision to buy either a ninja 250, ninja 500 or
GS500, whichever I found first in my price range. The GS won that, mainly because they
seem to be cheaper used than any of the ninjas. I also really like the naked look.
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Even the ninjette will smoke a _Mustang GT_ in the 1/4 mile. Just so you know.
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An 'average' family car runs 0-60 in somewhere around 9 seconds and the quarter mile
somewhere in the 16's. A ninja 250 runs 0-60 in around 6 seconds and the quarter mile in
the mid 14's. Up to freeway speeds the ninja will beat about anything except a sports car or
high power sport sedan.
Also I'd disagree that you'll outgrow it quickly. You may, however, think you've outgrown it.
Really you haven't outgrown it until your skill is at the point where you can safely push it
farther than the bike can go, which I would guess takes most new riders several years and a
few track days. You may, however, decide that you want more low end torque, a more
comfortable low RPM freeway bike, something that doesn't need shifted as frequently, etc.
But that's all about practicality and comfort. If you think you'll outgrow the performance of a
250 or 500 within a year, you are kidding yourself.
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Originally Posted by lostlogic
Even the ninjette will smoke a _Mustang GT_ in the 1/4 mile. Just so you know.
Heh, yeah, go to this website http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html
And find me a family car with a less than 6 second 0-60... bit difficult eh?
Oh wait... my WRX wagon will... but then again, it's a bit hard to classify... :P
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Originally Posted by wolfen42
Heh, yeah, go to this website http://www.albeedigital.com/supercou...0-60times.html

And find me a family car with a less than 6 second 0-60... bit difficult eh?
Oh wait... my WRX wagon will... but then again, it's a bit hard to classify... :P
AH CRAP W/ YOUR NINJA EDIT.
I was going to say the WRX and the STI... being a Subie owner myself.
The STI has four doors. Family Car FTW.

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Sorry, I should've specified; off the line, the 250's wicked low weight makes up for the
smaller engine size, it's probably great on the backroads. I was referring to higher speeds.
Most people cruise the highways around 65-75 mph, the bike is geared low (by low, I mean
high - numerically) to get you moving.
As for the EX500, we got one in on trade (an '03). I saw the original paperwork from when
the guy bought it new, it was about $4,400 w/tax/title/reg. Granted that was four years
ago, but prices on most things haven't changed drastically (I assumed, yeah I know, bad
idea).
If I'm wrong, I'm wrong, wouldn't be the first time, but I stand by it, eventually you will
want more power.
btw, a new Mustang GT will pull off a 13.7 1/4 with the old ladies at motor trend behind the
wheel. The average family car has become a 14-second car (Maxima, Charger/300C, STS,
Impala SS, WRX, etc.)
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I've been looking around and doing my research and wondering if the 500 is a little too
much. I am 18 and know I'll probably go crazy but not sure if if the 500 is too much for a
newbie. Any thoughts?
I just wanted to reiterate for the OP.
You didn't specify with bike, but we all assume you want the sporty looks of the Ninja
250/500 or the GS500.
I would say that either bike is okay for a beginner, but when it comes down to it, it's going
to be a personal choice. Whichever bike you feel comfortable one (both physically and
emotionally) will be the best choice of the two (or three...).
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Originally Posted by sparx
As for the EX500, we got one in on trade (an '03). I saw the original paperwork from when
the guy bought it new, it was about $4,400 w/tax/title/reg.
4 years is a long time...
http://www.kawasaki.com/Products/Detail.aspx?id=160
MSRP: $5,049
btw, a new Mustang GT will pull off a 13.7 1/4 with the old ladies at motor trend behind the
wheel. The average family car has become a 14-second car (Maxima, Charger/300C, STS,
Impala SS, WRX, etc.)
I think the average family car is more like a camry, not a sport sedan or 4 door muscle car.
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Originally Posted by hqp921
AH CRAP W/ YOUR NINJA EDIT.
I was going to say the WRX and the STI... being a Subie owner myself.
The STI has four doors. Family Car FTW.

LOL. I'm mulling over an STI or Evo as my next "family" car. This fat forty-five year old
white man is feeling the need to feed his inner rice. Selling the wife on it ("It's got the
safety of all wheel drive and an economical four cylinder engine, dear.") and two boys only a
couple years away from driving are my only concerns (imagining the cost of insurance for
two teen-age males, ugh).
I can see the little ninja being down on roll-on performance at freeway speeds. My old
GS500e certainly was. Bang down a gear or three and things improved. Not much left over
the ton, but that's not a bad thing. I'd look for any good, used example of the three
(EX250/500, GS500).
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However, all the riding positions, finger crossing, and wishful thinking in the world wont
make a bike handle or stop better (closing your eyes doesn't help either).
I beg to differ. I haven't done any motorcycle racing, but I have taken auto racing classes.
And when I did, I had an instructor who could push my car to speeds I couldn't believe it
would do and could not duplicate myself. He could get around a course that took me 45
seconds in under 40, with a car he had no time to familiarize himself with.
And from what I've heard, motorcycles somehow have a way of making the winner even
more a matter of the man than the machine. There's one guy in motorcycle racing stories
who is practically an archetype, the old man whose hobby is going to track days with some
absurdly inappropriate machine (350 cc dual sport, maxi-scooter, Electra Glide, etc) just so
that he can make the squids on supersports even more embarassed when he smokes them.
As long as the bike doesn't have major mechanical problems (or isn't something really
absurd like a Boss Hoss), those things like riding position and technique are far more
important in how quickly a bike can get around the corners than most of the factors in the
bike's design.
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Not sure if VMIRat was worried about his ability to burn anyone
...
The GS500 didn't pose any real issues to me as a starter bike, but again, everyone is
different. I had years of driving experience (you'll be surprised how much you continue to
learn in that area), and the mellowing of my passionate youth to help me along.
While I disagree with the wording of anyone's skill outgrowing a 250 sooner (because that
and the 500 would happen around the same time, and in both cases way later and after
many more miles than most people think), there is another "outgrowing" that could be an
issue.
If you see yourself taking long, long trips at sustained fast-moving freeway speeds (80-85),
I have to assume that the 500 is better at this than the 250. That is to say, my GS500 does
it, but it's getting close to the top of its output. It could be an issue before your skill has
really outgrown the bike, depending on how you intend to use it- After all, a person can
undertake these trips without 50,000 miles and track experience under their belts- it's the
freakin' freeway, demanding more traffic-skills than racing skills. And a bigger engine is nice
when traffic is pushing you to keep up.
People do it on both. Some complain that the 250 sounds really high strung at those
speeds, others say it's no big deal and the Neenja likes it there. Having never owned one, I
don't know.
But people who talk about outgrowing a starter bike are usually talking out of their ass, and
haven't yet gotten the skills that would let them ride the thing to the best of its ability.
"Outgrown" just means they want to go faster and move their wrist less when they do so.
Skill has nothing to do with that, it's just regular old thirst for acceleration- the novelty of a
bike's quick starts and stops wears off, just like anything you adapt to, and they want to
regain that with a faster bike. And there are other, realer benefits, like fatter tires/more
traction, more modern and complicated engineering, leading to better suspension, more
responsive steering. Again, the ninja 250 and GS500 are about equal in their lack there.
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Just out of curiousity, what does the 250 top out at? Realistically I mean, not on a dyno run.
The only person I've actually met that owned one was trying to start a street racing/stunt
riding club... not a good first impression, I feel sorry for that guy's bike (he almost dumped
it twice leaving the parking lot and claims to have had it over a year).
Originally Posted by ccunning
I think the average family car is more like a camry, not a sport sedan or 4 door muscle car.
Well, they're still family cars, in principal anyway (actually I see a lot of old ladies driving
STi's going 10mph under the speed limit).
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Originally Posted by FlyingTndrbox
I beg to differ. I haven't done any motorcycle racing, but I have taken auto racing classes.
And when I did, I had an instructor who could push my car to speeds I couldn't believe it
would do and could not duplicate myself. He could get around a course that took me 45
seconds in under 40, with a car he had no time to familiarize himself with.
I didn't mean that it doesn't matter. What I'm saying, is that any bike has it's limits no
matter who is on it. The bike itself only has the capability to brake so short, lean so far, take
a turn so fast, etc. A Lightning is far more agile and stops better than a Blast. It doesn't
make the Blast a bad bike, but I'd much rather have that monsterous front brake and better
suspension of the Lightning.
Outgrowing a bike doesn't require mastering it. Unless you get a considerable amount of
track time, you'll probably never "master" any bike because in the real world, we have
traffic, and potholes, and cops with radios. I have yet to see a place where you can just run
a bike wide open for more than a couple miles < which I wouldn't recommend, ride safe,
don't become a statistic. It's somewhat ironic, but the desire for more power is largely
fueled by the lack of places to use it. So, to make up for not being able to go 150mph
everywhere, we do slow in, fast out. Yes, I know it serves another purpose, namely getting
through the turn easier, but in all reality it not something that you NEED to do, it's easy
enough to follow a line, but not nearly as much fun. Slow in doesn't sound like much fun,
but when you hit the apex and give it healthy twist on the exit, the harder it pulls, the wider
the grin.
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From what I've been told, a stock TwoFiddy will run up into the neighborhood of 105
indicated, so call it around 95 actual. I run my Ninjette down the interstate every day at 7075, and there's no shortage of power if I need to bump it up to 80. The only reason I'm
going to upgrade next year is to gain a little bit more leg room (and get a bike that there
are farkles available for
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Oh, hell, Smurf's right.

First Missouri, then Minnesota, now Michigan.....it is my goal in life to live in every state that
starts with "M" before I die.....
Didn't vote??? Don't whine....

"A life is like a garden. Perfect moments can be had, but not preserved, except in memory.
LLAP" - Leonard Nimoy
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05-17-2007, 11:40 PM#24
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Full tuck, end of the front straight at Nashville Superspeedway - I'm guessing just short of
110.
Let me phrase it another way...
It's at least fast enough to have embarrassed some folks in new leathers on nice new
Ducatis when they found out what it was.
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Originally Posted by VanDawg38
LOL. I'm mulling over an STI or Evo as my next "family" car. This fat forty-five year old white
man is feeling the need to feed his inner rice. Selling the wife on it ("It's got the safety of all
wheel drive and an economical four cylinder engine, dear.") and two boys only a couple
years away from driving are my only concerns (imagining the cost of insurance for two teenage males, ugh).
If you can afford it... either car is great. If you're going to mod for performance. Evo hands
down is the winner. Full turbo back on that has ridiculous gains over the STI. For interior?
Evo wins again. Looks? Well, this is debatable - let's face it, they're both ugly cars.
I
think the STI will last longer than the Evo, but when it's all said and done, both are the boyracer cars, so they get kinda beat up, so who knows how long they last? *shrug* (I'm not
knocking either car, I like 'em both) I believe the new STI is said to be only a hatch, and the
Evo X from what I've seen is lookin' sexy - I haven't really kept up on the motor news w/
'em, because I'm a long way (if ever) from owning either. PS: The cost of insurance for new
drivers on either car is going to suck. I suggest getting them a POS beater.
/thread jack
I'm with FlyingTndrbox, although I have never raced, I belong to forums where people do...
and on the car forum, the #1 thing they recommend when n00bs ask about learning to go
faster? Driving school. The most important component is the nut behind the wheel... or (if
you're on a bike) the nut humping his gas tank.
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The nut behind the wheel. No doubt. It's always an education to watch the very nice lady at
one of the local SCCA groups hop into any given drivers car and rip off a time that is usually
several seconds better than their best run.
She drove a mustang at nationals, we are trying to seduce her to the STI side...
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I'd consider a track day/class, if I could use my own bike, which would require gettin it to
start. I did a driving class at Lime Rock, short one-day thing, but it was cool. The only
problem was that they had me in a sub-150hp Neon (early R/T w/the stripes), and I drove
home in a (estimate) 250hp Mustang (Fox body w/minor bolt-ons). I think the only thing I
got out of it was being a bit more observent and learning how to properly beat the crap out
of a rental car.
btw, I'd go for the Evo, it looks faster and sounds more obnoxious (scoob's got the deep
tone as opposed to the high whine), but then, my daily driver is a Civic that redlines higher
than my bike (all stock).
Posted 6/29/2008 2:55 AM (GMT -7)
Gotta agree with everyone here. The 250 is a great bike but the Ninja 500 or GS 500 will be better for
frequent highway use.
My brother bought an '06 Ninja 250R for my sister-in-law recently. He's having a blast riding that thing around
and even used it to commute a few times, but he agrees that he would like more power in reserve on the
highway. The new one is supposedly significantly improved in the suspension department, a bit more
midrange, but no more outright power. It looks great, too, but, as you know, they're in very short supply and
some dealers are price gouging.
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Originally Posted by CellTechAbuse
must have been a good ride

what gear were you cruising on the freeway
and what bike you got now
That last ride was a seriously sad ride, I was just gonna take it around the block to make
sure everything way fine, but that turned into riding for half the day, reminiscing of all the
great times I had on her.
Depends on how much fun I wanted to have lol, but you can cruise in 6th all day getting
dem Mpgs
Sv650
I'm very glad I went the small/easy to learn on bike -> bigger bike path. People who say
start on a 600cc are usually small dicked phaggots who mainly ride for others validation and
ride like little bitches. Its better to ride a slow bike fast than a fast bike slow. And the slow
way basically guarantees a faster progression of your skills. Ride for yourself brah, not for
the opinions of random kunts.
me on the gs
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Originally Posted by pwoL
That last ride was a seriously sad ride, I was just gonna take it around the block to make
sure everything way fine, but that turned into riding for half the day, reminiscing of all the
great times I had on her.
Depends on how much fun I wanted to have lol, but you can cruise in 6th all day getting
dem Mpgs
Sv650
fuk you must of enjoyed it man
i got three weeks of school left before exams and im finished
i dont know if i should wait it out or grab my bike this week as i got my license test next
week
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Sv650
I'd go with gs500. Even though I started on the sv650 ( still own it ) it bit back pretty hard (
torque of peace ) and it's really choppy 1st-3rd gear.
Makes bout $350/week crew ( srs )
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I'd go with gs500. Even though I started on the sv650 ( still own it ) it bit back pretty hard
( torque of peace ) and it's really choppy 1st-3rd gear.
dat TPS adjustment / aTRE of peace makes it smooth as butter (as Im sure youre aware,
I'm just sayin)
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2008 Suzuki GS500 or 2010 Kawasaki 250r?

Hi All,
I just passed my MST test and I was looking to but my first motorcycle, I'm not that
beginner as I used to ride but like 2 years ago.
Currently in between GS500 and Ninja 250r, which one should choose to be my first bike?
I'm trying the 250r tomorrow and the GS500 this Saturday, fingers crossed by this
weekened I'll be having my first bike registered for the summer season.
Let me know which on you prefer and why, any advices from current or previous owners will
be really appreciated for any of those bikes!
Thanks in advance!
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03-06-2013 09:31 PM#3
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2010 Ninja 250r would be a better choice imo too. Resale would be much easier and the
lower insurance rate would be a great plus if you do not have any discount. Have fun with
the 250 for awhile around the city and move up to 600 to join the guys up to s2s. Good
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03-06-2013 09:54 PM#5
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why are you limiting yourself to 2 bikes? If you're inexperienced get the one with less
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Originally Posted by Grove
We can say all we want to try and sway you, but the best advice you can get is get the bike
which you feel most confident and comfortable on.
I totally agree with you, but your inputs are important especially if you had any of those
bikes regarding handling, how forgiving are they, etc..
Originally Posted by millski
why are you limiting yourself to 2 bikes? If you're inexperienced get the one with less
plastic.
The GS500 is actually naked, the 250r has fairings definitely!
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Don't limit your self to just 2. Take a look at this link List is older, but it has a lot of info.
I am in the same boat as you and this is my list of bikes I will be looking into in a month or
so:
Ninja 250, 300, 400, 500
CBR250
GS500 (non F model as I donnt like fairings look of it)
SV650 (either naked of SF model. No S as I dont like bikini fairings)
Less plastic, less crap to break when I drop it. Will get used as again, when i drop it, I will
not feel quite as bad as it it was brand new (it will still suck big time though!!)
Sit on all the bikes, see how they feel and decide what works for the type of riding you plan
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I've owned (older models of) both bikes... 2006 Kawi ZZR250, 2005 GS500. The 250 is
MUCH weaker than the GS500, not to say that the GS500 is super fast or the 250 is super
slow, but it's a big difference. The 250 is also much lighter, so it is easy to handle... except
the GS500 has a much more upright and neutral riding position, and also easy to maneuver
with its wider handlebar... plus it's comfortable for riding all day or commuting all day.
If you can, try out both bikes. Do note that if I were a newbie, I think the GS500 has the
superior riding position for confidence and learning. The only benefits I see for the 250 are
(a) fairing for some weather protection (b) less weight, better economy (c) cheap insurance.
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03-07-2013 12:36 AM#9
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2010 Kawasaki Ninja 250 R Specifications - Power: 29.91 HP (22 kW) @ 10500 rpm.
Torque: 21.7 Nm (16.01 lb-ft) @ 10000 rpm. Final drive ...151 kg dry weight
2008 Suzuki GS 500 F Specifications - Power: 33.99 HP (25 kW) @ 8500 rpm. Torque: 34
Nm (25.08 lb-ft) @ 4600 rpm (cranksh). Final drive ...169 kg dry weight
"The 250 is MUCH weaker than the GS500, not to say that the GS500 is super fast or the
250 is super slow, but it's a big difference."
Really?
Both of these bikes are only good for scooting around the city and are great for beginners to
practice on. But seriously, if you factor power to weight ratio with such few ponies more
would not qualified as a "big difference" in speed IMO.
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have you ridden the two back to back? The 250 is peaky and low on torque. As I've said,
I've owned them both (simultaneously for a time, so yes I've ridden them back-to-back)
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Honestly no, I have never owned either one of those bikes (not my cup of tea) but from
what I know by looking at the numbers and did a quick calculation, they're not too far off
from one to the other. Yes, gs500 might be able to pull off the line a little quicker but the
250r would definitely not too far behind and would eventually catch up due to the lighter
weight advantage and of course only if the 250r rider know how to ride and do not shift too
early like most newbies does. Bottom line is, if I was to factor in all the pros and cons
between the two bikes in term of better fuel economy, lower insurance cost and a ton of fun
for beginner around town minus the added weight, I would go for the 250r. Also when it's
time to upgrade, not too many bike enthusiasts would go from 250r to 500 when they know
that many 600 are twice as powerful. Nevertheless, it's up to the individual needs and most
importantly what he/she is willing and able to spend.
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ninja + fairing + better powerband

gs500 + easy to ride + comfortable seat
But there are many other factors... condition, price, mileage, maintenance, year, resale (as
you probably will in a year or two).
Then you have to think about when and where you'll ride. I dislike non-fairing bikes on
highways so if you do a lot of that, it's something to consider.
Also your height and weight. GS is more comfortable, and about 20mm taller if both stock.
Everyone has their own preference though. Try them and then decide.
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Honestly no, I have never owned either one of those bikes (not my cup of tea) but from what
I know by looking at the numbers and did a quick calculation, they're not too far off from
one to the other. Yes, gs500 might be able to pull off the line a little quicker but the 250r
would definitely not too far behind and would eventually catch up due to the lighter weight
advantage and of course only if the 250r rider know how to ride and do not shift too early
like most newbies does. Bottom line is, if I was to factor in all the pros and cons between the
two bikes in term of better fuel economy, lower insurance cost and a ton of fun for beginner
around town minus the added weight, I would go for the 250r. Also when it's time to
upgrade, not too many bike enthusiasts would go from 250r to 500 when they know that
many 600 are twice as powerful. Nevertheless, it's up to the individual needs and most
importantly what he/she is willing and able to spend.
That's the problem with looking at paper peak figures only.
I rode most of these bikes, so I know better.
To proof my point I googled the bhp figures for these bikes at different RPM ranges and
threw them in excel to create the graph below.
The red line shows you the peak numbers, which are all within the same ballpark, which is
what you were looking at.
However, that's not where you'd keep the RPMs at all times, during every day riding.
You'd more likely be in the 4-7 or 5-7k rpm range, which I've highlighted in green.
In that area you will notice a significant difference.
That's why everyone that has actually tried these bikes, will tell you that some of them feel
a lot more powerful than they are, on paper... The Ninja 250r & 300r are tuned for top end..
the GS500 and Ninja 400r are tuned for low to mid range.
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As a new rider, my advice is that you focus on building a couple of seasons worth of skills
and seat time. For the first bike, my advice is to go with the 250. It's a great starter bike,
powerful enough to have fun on the local roads without getting into trouble, and
underpowered enough so you will have to build skills shifting up and down to keep it fun. By
spending 2 seasons on the 250, you'll develop more as a rider with less chance of hurting
yourself through user error.
While not exactly a powerhouse of a motorcycle, the 500 will make you lazy, cost more for
insurance and slow your learning of handling skills. Being a naked bike, it is also not super
comfortable at higher speeds and isn't as easy to resell as the 250.
For now, you would do yourself the best service by refining and developing your handling
skills and becoming a more proficient rider, rather than worring about which bike is cooler or
more powerful (not that you are).
I own a 250 and two liter bikes, and have an unbelievable amount of fun riding the 250. It's
a workout in terms of constantly shifting and using the best riding technique I can and there
are several of us on here who feel the same way. Whatever you choose, buying a bike is
more subjective than objective, so get the one you like most and try your best not to crash
it. Good luck
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it. Good luck
Good advice. I rode one of the latest generation Kawi 250's and I really liked the bike. So
much so, that I have been looking at perhaps buying one. Cheap insurance, cheap to buy run - and maintain. Easy peasy to sell if you don't want it anymore... and very little
depreciation in terms of total dollars.
If you keep your corner speed up, you can be suprisingly fast on backroads. Thinking of
sharing one with one of my kids actually.
That's the problem with looking at paper peak figures only.

I rode most of these bikes, so I know better.
To proof my point I googled the bhp figures for these bikes at different RPM ranges and
threw them in excel to create the graph below.
The red line shows you the peak numbers, which are all within the same ballpark, which is
what you were looking at.
However, that's not where you'd keep the RPMs at all times, during every day riding.
You'd more likely be in the 4-7 or 5-7k rpm range, which I've highlighted in green.
In that area you will notice a significant difference.
That's why everyone that has actually tried these bikes, will tell you that some of them feel
a lot more powerful than they are, on paper... The Ninja 250r & 300r are tuned for top end..
the GS500 and Ninja 400r are tuned for low to mid range.
Attachment 102892
Alrighty then! sound like you just hit the nail right on the head. Yes, both bikes are not
designed to be ridden in the same manner therefore, if you owned a 250r for a few months
and stay under 7000rmp consistently, you would think that your friend's gs500 is a rocket
when you take it around the block. IMO, a common mistake for many new riders with 250cc
is that they do not understand the powerband of their bike and its full potential beyond
11000rpm. Nevertheless, I would never own either one of these bikes as I do not like to
stay in the city and definitely hate to kill day light by hanging around starbucks. Btw, I do
think that the new 300r is a very nice little bike and it would seriously blow the 250r out of
the water. JK
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Have been riding my friend's 2010 250r special edition for the last week. Its definitely a fun
bike but if you ride it right after a 600 or 1000 you'd find it boring due to its lack of power.
But ride with for a while and it'll grow on you. Its super comfortable and easy to ride around
town. Very nimble bike and feels really light. If you feel like you want to tear the twisties i'd
suggest upgrading to some good stickier tires. This would be my top recommendation for
the first upgrade on this bike. Good tires would give you the confidence and improved ride
experience that no other upgrade would IMHO.
Neat bike overall and looks good BUT if you want to buy a new bike, i'd suggest look into
the new Ninja 300.
OMG just thought of an idea. Not sure if its possible but how about get a 600, add a power
commander and feed in a really f'ed up map that'll give bike no more power than a 250.
HAHAHHAHA. Daymmm, really wonder if it would work.
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Alrighty then! sound like you just hit the nail right on the head. Yes, both bikes are not
designed to be ridden in the same manner therefore, if you owned a 250r for a few months
and stay under 7000rmp consistently, you would think that your friend's gs500 is a rocket
when you take it around the block. IMO, a common mistake for many new riders with 250cc
is that they do not understand the powerband of their bike and its full potential beyond
11000rpm. Nevertheless, I would never own either one of these bikes as I do not like to stay
in the city and definitely hate to kill day light by hanging around starbucks. Btw, I do think
that the new 300r is a very nice little bike and it would seriously blow the 250r out of the
water. JK
Exactly. If you want to learn how to ride and optimize the use of your powerband small
displacement machines with no low/mid power are perfect, since they force you to
constantly stay in the powerband and down shift to overtake others.
That's why it's fairly dramatic when you compare the 250r & 300r to the 400r.
Between 1-8k RPM you basically have twice the power on the 400, compared to the other 2
smaller bikes. However, once you rev beyond 10k rpm on the 300r you will have developed
within a few HP of what the 400r can do. Then considering that the bike has less weight you
are basically on par (on paper the power to weight ratio might even be higher but after
considering the weight of the rider as well I think it's pretty much the same).
This is how I would approach this decision:
If you know you eventually want a 600 or 1000 inline 4, I would strongly recommend the
250r. Very good practice.
If you want a long term cheap commuter, I would pick a bike with lots of torque and a
strong low to mid range that's under 400cc (cheap insurance). So in that case I'd go for
either a DRZ400 or Ninja 400r.
The GS500 makes very little sense for BC, since you are 87cc over the 400cc ICBC cut off
and you will effectively pay double the insurance premium to what you'd pay for a 400r, yet
you will have less power, across the entire RPM range.
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Looks like I've posted the GS500 numbers for a model with a EU restriction kit. Based on
what I just read the bike makes the exact same peak power as the 400r, unrestricted @ 9k
rpm.
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Get a 250r, great little bikes. When you want to 'upgrade' to something else, keep the 250
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Originally Posted by slingshot
it. Good luck
You summed up everything I wanted to know , 250r it is then.. I will try to pick one up
before the end of this week.. Hopefully to find a good decent one and close to east Van as
most of them are either in Richmond or Maple Ridge/Tri-Cities!
Kawasaki ninja 250r or suzuki gs500f?

confused on what to get the suzuki gs500f is going for 5200 and the ninja dealer wants 4700 for the bike.
the prices are very close considering the differents in ccs. i have drive a ninja 250 and am afraid the the
suzuki will be to heavy and powerful but the dealer is half a hour closer and a better buy plus i... show
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Best Answer: you are paying too much for the ninja 250 if you are going to go with that. you can get it
elsewhere out the door for 3500 bucks! why spend an additional 1200? the ninja is more sporty than the
suzuki and lighter so its going to be based on your preference. Where do you live anyway? i know prices
vary from state to state and also cities. I live in southern california.. bought my new gsxr 750 for about 12k
a month ago. went up north to visit family and went to a dealership there and they had it for 10k so i
should've shopped around first. But for the ninja, thats too much in my opinion. if you are afraid of the
suzuki, go with the 250. looks nicer than the gs500f anyway.
Also, depends on what you are going to use it for. Are you gonna use it for commuting or just for fun? I'd
go with the ninja just becasue its lighter, more sporty, and less expensive.. good luck
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I owned a 2005 Ninja 250. The original style. I liked the bike alot. I put over 10000 miles the first year i had
it. Went all over with it. Commuted with it. With the built in bungee hooks I could haul alot to. It was a fun
bike. I just needed something more comfortable for two people to go on long rides with. And it was hard to
keep up with most of bikes out there. Ninja 250 guys will tell you that it is plenty of bike to last, and it could
be, but nobody else does. so when you ride with them you are always downshifting like 2 to 3 gears and
that's just so you can keep them in sight.The dealer wanting 4700 is crazy. I am hoping that is for a 08.
but if you look on-line kawa's MSRP is like 3499. Go bigger. If you already have rode and have some
experience going bigger isn't too bad if you just take it easy. I went from my ninja 250 and got on a Buell
firebolt or something its a 1200 anyhow, and had no problems. You just have to be smart. Know your and
the bikes limits. I like kawas go for a ninja 500 or 600 they look better then the suzuki, to me at least.
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I would go with the suzuki gs500f. I own one of those, a 2007 and it is a good beginner bike. I can
guaranty you will get bored with the 250 ninja. To be honest, you will probably looking to upgrade to a
bigger bike after a few months with the gs 500.
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They are both good learner bikes, but the 250 will not do 1 hr on the highway. The 250 can do 70 mph,
but it's not designed to cruise at that speed for a long time. So the GS is a better choice. It isn't that much
heavier than the 250, but it has more power. Don't worry about it having too much power. 8^) The FZ6R is
also a good starter bike. Probably as good as the GS 500, but a bit bigger and heavier still. Whichever
you choose, be sure you can sit on it with both feet flat on the ground.
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well you suggested that you wont get bored with a 500, but would with a 250...but your also scarred of the
500 which means your a begginer. If thats true, get the 250 as you wont go far if you kill yourself.
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Go with the Suzuki, it is not too big of a bike and the price is pretty close.
Ninja 250R VS Suzuki GS500?

im looking for my first bike.
and im specifically looking for Ninja 250R VS Suzuki GS500. i only hear good things about these bikes.
but i do hear that i would grow out of a 250 quickly. so im leaning towards 500. but i like the looks of
newer 250's
i know these are both great beginner bikes. but is GS500 faster than 250? if so, by how much??
do people grow out of 500 as fast as they do on a 250?
thank you in advance
Update: Does any body have 0-60 specs on both these bikes?
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Best Answer: The Ninjette will do 100 mph -- it is more than capable of taking you anywhere. "Grow out
of" is code for "Not crazy fast enough." If a motorcycle does the tasks you ask of it any "growing out" is
simply wanting more speed for the sake of picking up tickets. If you want to do 160 mph on the freeway
then you will "out grow" anything less than a four cylinder race bike. If you want reliable transportation
either the Ninja 205R or the GS500F will keep you happy for many years. They are close to the same
size, 'cept for the engines; not to mention that the Ninja is 65 pounds lighter (more agile, more 'flickable')
*AND* -->> $1,900 <<-- cheaper MSRP.

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Source(s):5 years on a LS650 in Los Angeles. (380# wet, 85mph tops)
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What are you trying to do? And what year model of the GS500 are you looking at? If your just going to
cruise around go with the GS500, if you want to have fun trying to scrape the pegs on curves go with the
250R. GS500 is going to be faster, but you will get tired of not having a screen if you ride on the highway
much.(If we are talking about the older naked model) Insurance rates on the GS500 will be next to
nothing, while the 250R will be somewhat high(It was cheaper for me to insure a new 650R than a 250R
through Progressive- Agent could not even explain why...) I don't think you would "outgrow" either unless
you are only interested in top end. Both bikes would be fun, and it takes a couple seasons before you will
become a good enough rider to even max out these two in the curves. Scanned around and the basic
stats show around 5.75sec 0-60 on the Ninja250R with a high 14's in the 1/4, while the GS500 is a tad
quicker it shows about the same- Please keep in mind that these figures are from professional testers that
burn through the clutch in a couple runs... Have you looked at the 650R Ninja? I've been riding mine for a
couple years now(I live in Texas so I can ride year round) and while it cant even keep up with a modern
600c inline4 it is still a fun bike to carve with. Good luck in whatever you choose, and take the msf
course...
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Both have almost identical performance figures the 250 is slightly faster to 60 (the difference is so slight
that a decent rider will out-accelerate the 250 on the 500) the top speeds are near identical although they
will be easier on a faired machine. But then neither are intended to be high-speed machines but
novice/commuter-friendly bikes and none the worse for it.
Growing out of a 250 is something you will regularly read the answer is then you are not doing it
right.
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They're both very good bikes for their intended purpose and market segment. They are both 'sporty' bikes
rather than sport bikes, meaning they are more general purpose 'standard' motorcycles with sporty
styling. 'Real' sport bikes, like the GSX-R, are single-purpose, compromising everything for speed, really
more like racing bikes for the street.
In picking a 500 for your first bike rather than a 250, you're more concerned with weight rather than power.
And the added weight for the 500 is not all that much. The only problem with the 250 is that you can't do
long rides at high speed, like commuting 20 mi. on the freeway every day. The 250 will probably get up to
70 mph, but it's not meant for sustained riding at that speed, so it's not as comfortable or as safe as a
bigger bike.
As for speed, the 500 will probably top 100 mph. But more important, you have a little more oomph for
acceleration, to pass a car on the freeway, for instance. And you have more 'stamina' for long rides, in
case you want to do a long trip, to go camping for a weekend or something like that.
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Gs 500 is a really good bike nippy and trust worthy it does really good around town is is also good fun for
playing i had one for a couple of years was not realy keen on the riding position but my mate swore by
them this bike started first time everymorning. I abuse myt bike unwashed unserviced and ungaraged the
gs never let me down even starting first time when banked up with snow and loads of spare parts availabe
take one for a test ride fab bike not a vhigh top speed but gets you there quick also look at a 600 bandit
theres a fun bike
Hey everyone, which bike would you guys get? I know the Ninja is very popular but
the Suzuki is also a very decent bike. I use to ride a CBR and just getting back into
it after 2-3 years off.
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posted 2010-Mar-16, 11:29 am
Hi,
Both of these bikes cost the same brand new from the dealerships. What sort of a
bike are you after. The ninja is a more leaning forward sporty stance which places
more weight on your wrists and hence won't be able to do long rides comfortably.
The GS500 is a more natural seating position with weight spread evenly between
legs, back and wrists. The ninja will rev more at the same speed compared to the
gs500. I prefer the gs500n as I have a CB400 and prefer no fairings on bikes.
Do you still have your license or are you reentering riding from learners again? If
you have your license I wouldn't bother with LAMS bikes and go for something
bigger.
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posted 2010-Mar-16, 11:32 am
Get on a 600. You will be bored with both of them after a month or two.
I started riding on the ninja 250, this was a beast for its size, probably the best
bike i recommend to learn on. Plus it holds its value when you go to resell it. But
since you already been on a CBR i recommend going up to 600.
The GS500 is a piece of crap. Mate had one, and i told him to get rid of it. Its more
just for commuting. He got on a 750 and was glad to.
If you want to learn how to corner go the ninja. If you want to commute, gs500.
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posted 2010-Mar-16, 11:37 am
O.P.
ResmeN writes...
Do you still have your license or are you reentering riding from learners again?
I haven't renew my license since I stopped riding, contacted Vicroads and they did
say I need to reenter from learners again.
-Valhalla- any particular reason the GS500F is crap? There are reviews that say
they're really decent bike.
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posted 2010-Mar-16, 11:44 am
ummmz writes...
-Valhalla- any particular reason the GS500F is crap? There are reviews that say
they're really decent bike.
It really depends on what you want to do as a rider. Do you want to use the bike
just to commute? Or battle the mountains on the weekend?
The GS500 was bulky as and seriously under powered. It doesn't lean over that well
compared to a sports bike.
The reason I said it was crap is I am under the impression you want something with
a bit of guts. Needless to say, if you want to just commute then I say go for it. Im
just biased because i prefer sportsbikes :)
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Valhalla if you're talking about guts I'm sure the gs500 is way more powerful than
the ninja 250.
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ResmeN writes...
Valhalla if you're talking about guts I'm sure the gs500 is way more powerful than
the ninja 250.
way more powerful?
GS500F
0 60 MPH 5.7 sec
1/4 Mile 14.48 sec @ 90.23 MPH
Top Speed 105 MPH
Ninja 250r
0-60 mph (0-100 km/h) 5.75 sec
1/4 Mile 14.6 sec @ 88 mph
Maximum Speed 105 mph
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posted 2010-Mar-16, 12:12 pm
500cc vs 250cc. Even though the 250 is what, 0.5 seconds slower than the GS, its a
250!!
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Yes that is close. But I guess it depends whether the OP wants to use his bike as a
daily commuter as I am and that is why I got a naked CB400 or as a weekend fun
ride.
Nakeds are more upright, easier & more comofrtable to ride long distances whereas
sports are more leant forward, not so comfortable for long distances but
nevertheless fun in their own ways.
Can you bring up the specs like you did for those 2 bikes but for the 2008 CB400
SF.
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-Valhalla- writes...
The GS500 is a piece of crap. Mate had one, and i told him to get rid of it. Its more
just for commuting. He got on a 750 and was glad to.
Of course a GSXR750 (assuming thats what 750 means) is much nicer than a
GS500, its not a learner bike though and OP is restricted to learners.
GS500 or Ninja250, neither are anything special at cornering. They aren't sports
bikes despite the 250 dressing up as one.
ER6 or Ninja650 nicer than both (more $ of course). Even the Hyosung 650 is nice
(though those I know with them all had problems with shocks). L versions
obviously.
Advantage of these is that they are artificially crippled, if crippling bits happen to
just fall off, well......
Dirt bikes like KLR650 have their own advantages.
Handling is far better than people think, considering the state of many roads which
dont agree with stiff sportbikes. Ignore what someone who has only ridden sports
bikes says about them because they dont know. Not so great on freeway though.
BMW F650 range is nice, hold their value. Reasonable balance of road and dirt.
Dont disregard "adventure riding", theres a lot to do and you can hoon without any
care of police and traffic plus see some nice places most people never go to.
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posted 2010-Mar-16, 12:39 pm
ResmeN writes...
Nakeds are more upright, easier & more comofrtable to ride long distances whereas
sports are more leant forward, not so comfortable for long distances but
nevertheless fun in their own ways.
I agree.
Can you bring up the specs like you did for those 2 bikes but for the 2008 CB400
SF.
All I could find were these specs, couldn't tell if they were for 2008 model though.
Max Speed: 115 mph (185 km/h)
Acceleration 0-60 mph: < 6 seconds
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posted 2010-Mar-16, 12:40 pm
O.P.
Is there a learners bike out there which is a bit sporty and also a daily commute? I
also have a car so depending on the weather thats what I'll take to work.
Prefer it to be a little new but I'm flexible.
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try a 650 burgman to do both then

is a scooter for city and has enough power for the long rides with comfort to go with
it
(twist on an idea for the op )
ps is lams legal in victoria so a l plater and p plater can use it

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GS500 or Ninja250, neither are anything special at cornering. They aren't sports
bikes despite the 250 dressing up as one.
The 250 is not bad at cornering if you get the right rider, its (relative) light weight
helps.
I would get the 500 but the naked as they seem to hold their value well. Though I
had a ZZR250 when I was learning and it is still thought of fondly (maybe because
it was my ticket to freedom.)
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way more powerful?

GS500F
0 60 MPH 5.7 sec
1/4 Mile 14.48 sec @ 90.23 MPH
Top Speed 105 MPH
Ninja 250r
0-60 mph (0-100 km/h) 5.75 sec
1/4 Mile 14.6 sec @ 88 mph
Maximum Speed 105 mph
don't go spreading your opinion as fact. The gs500 is a low stressed longer lasting
engine compared to the ninja 250 which is not going to last nearly as long. Not
everyone wants a sportsbike. The gs500 is not crap ( yes I'm insulted )
OP trust me you'll appreciate the 500 on the highway over the ninja 250. Both good
but in different areas.
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ummmz writes...
the Suzuki is also a very decent bike.

I agree... I own one and I am never getting rid of it :-)
As far as choosing a bike. I Highly recommend the Suzuki GS500.
It has a 20L tank and I've done over 400kms on one tank!
You can lean forward and ride 'em like a racer, or you can sit upright with your back
straight and go for a comfortable cruise. This was my first bike and still own it and I
am never getting rid of it :-) The motors just keep going and going and going. they
are relatively cheap to purchase/maintain and very easy to sell. I've heard nothing
but good reviews about them. And, speaking from experience, I agree 100%.
Check out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suzuki_GS500
http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/suzuki-gs500-review
http://www.productreview.com.au/showitem.php?item_id=16238
http://www.dooyoo.co.uk/motorcycle/suzuki-gs500e/438883/
It is a very under-rated bike :) Happy Riding!!!
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on: March 01, 2009, 11:59:36 PM
I have a friend who is looking for his first bike and is considering a 2006 ninja 250, im trying to
talk him in too the GS500 but the 250 is cheaper. A guy at the bike shop here was telling my
friend that there is no difference in power between the ninja and the GS, i am new to this as the
GS i have is my second bike but since the ninja is only a 250 and the GS is a 500 wouldn't the
GS have a little more power?
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Reply #1 on: March 02, 2009, 12:05:52 AM
theres definitely a power difference between the two, and it is felt mostly in the lower end.
Honestly, though, bot bikes are great learner bikes and you can't go wrong with either, the 250 is
a blast to ride, its just i hate seeing a faired bike getting dropped, which is usually what happens
with learner bikes. your buddy probably wont notice the power difference too much since they
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Reply #2 on: March 02, 2009, 12:07:45 AM
A Ninja 250 gets around 28HP to the ground.

The GS will put down around 45-50HP.
Either one makes a great first bike, I think.
The Ninja is great for shorter rides and beginning track days. The GS works better for longer
rides and also makes a decent first track bike.
In the end, it depends on what he likes, I suppose. I wouldn't knock his decision either way.
However, I would be glad he's looking in the right direction for a first bike. So many people
choose totally unsuitable motorcycles for the task of learning how to ride. :thumbsup:
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Reply #3 on: March 02, 2009, 12:09:54 AM
Looks like 36(Edit: or 28 depending on where you look) on the Ninja vs 47 on the GS.
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Reply #4 on: March 02, 2009, 12:16:15 AM
36HP at the crankshaft on the Ninja 250. 28HP at the wheel due to driveline losses.
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Reply #5 on: March 02, 2009, 12:24:19 AM
The GS 500 has considerably more torque than the 250 Ninja, and almost 10 more HP, giving it
better street performance and the ability to carry a passenger. The little Ninja needs to be
revved like crazy to get it to go, but the GS pulls good throughout its rev range. The Ninja will
struggle mightily with a passenger aboard. The GS is also more comfortable to ride. They both
handle like a dream! You can get a good GS 500 for less than a 250 Ninja. I paid $1200 U.S. for
a '94 with 13000 miles that needed nothing. 250 Ninjas in that price range have many more
miles and usually need work. Don't get me wrong. The 250 Ninja is a terrific little bike, but
that's what it is, a little bike. The GS is more motorcycle than the little Ninja. The GS is small
enough for beginners but big enough not to get sick of. That's why I love it! Anyone would get
sick of a 250 before long. The 500 Ninja compares better to the GS 500. In fact, it's better than
the GS in every way except simplicity. The GS 500 is simpler so it's easier to work on, parts are
cheap and plentiful, and it is ultimately reliable. In that respect it's a better choice than any
Ninja, or almost any other modern bike for that matter.
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Reply #6 on: March 02, 2009, 12:47:53 AM
Thanks for the help. This should give him the help he needs to pick the GS
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Reply #7 on: March 02, 2009, 01:10:11 AM
I sold my ninja 250 last year to my brother to buy the GS. I put 8,000 miles on it in 9 months.
I put 100 miles on my truck in that same time! Both are track day bikes/daily drivers. Honestly
the ninja was more fun. It feels like a toy, you feel like a racer because you're revving the crap
out of it everywhere. There is just as much aftermarket support and cheap ebay parts as there
is for the the GS500, maybe more. Don't get me wrong, the GS is the better bike for me and fits
my 6'1" body much better. I do miss the ninja though and if your friend is under 160 and 5'10"
he or she will probably have more fun on it too. I'm not saying it's better or more appropriate,
just more fun. OK, now please don't flame me for this.
And everyone else's comments were spot on too. Hope that gives you some help.
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Reply #8 on: March 02, 2009, 01:29:12 AM
If your going to do any highway riding, the GS500 is the better choice. The Ninjas have to rev
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Reply #9 on: March 02, 2009, 01:53:06 AM
come on, it was only 10,000 rpm to do 75mph.

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Reply #10 on: March 02, 2009, 09:00:27 AM
Ninja 250R data from Cycle World July 08 Frugal Fuelers comparo tesr:
Price $3499
Dry weight 352 lb.
Wheelbase 54.9 in.
Seat height 31.0 in.
Fuel mileage 60 mpg
0-60 mph 7.6 sec.
1/4-mile 15.54 sec. @ 82.70 mph
Horsepower 27.2 hp @ 10,770 rpm
Torque 14.3 ft.-lb. @ 9650 rpm
Top speed 96 mph
All published GS500 test data with some EX500 test data from comparos:
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Reply #11 on: March 02, 2009, 10:23:50 AM
As others have said, either one would be fine for him. I've got over 40k miles on mine, it runs
fine and I do ride it on the highway. I have a 30 mile commute to work, mostly rural highways
55-60 mph, hilly & curvy. Works out just fine here on the local highways and on the interstate.
Oh and I'm 5'11" @ 250lbs.
However with all that being said - the 500 is a little bigger, a little more power, will carry a little
more weight, will go a little faster, will get a little less gas mileage, will cost a little more on
insurance, etc. So really it's up to what he wants to do I'd guess. I'm still thinking about buying a
newer GS500 when I wear out my little Ninja 250 or pass it on to my kids. You do know you're
on a GS500 site right? Go ask the same question on the Ninja 250 site and see your responses.
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Reply #12 on: March 02, 2009, 11:15:26 AM
GS500... Depending on his size, GS500.

I am 6' 220 and I am NOT COMFORTABLE AT ALL on the Ninja 250. It's cramped, squishy, and
simply a learner bike. Sure, it looks nice, but that's all it is... It's a Honda Rebel on steroids...
which still doesn't say much.
It's comparing Apples to Oranges. He'd be better off debating the Kawi Ninja 500 vs, the
GS500... In which case I'd STILL recommend the GS due to it's looks.
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Reply #13 on: March 02, 2009, 11:32:53 AM
I recommend the GS500 over the Ninja 500 any day simply based on how much I dislike the
ninja 500's really crappy frame.
Plus the GS just looks wicked sweet and to me felt like it
handled better.
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Reply #14 on: March 02, 2009, 01:40:18 PM
Quote from: scotilac on March 01, 2009, 11:59:36 PM

I have a friend who is looking for his first bike and is considering a 2006 ninja 250, im trying
to talk him in too the GS500 but the 250 is cheaper. A guy at the bike shop here was telling
my friend that there is no difference in power between the ninja and the GS, i am new to
this as the GS i have is my second bike but since the ninja is only a 250 and the GS is a 500
wouldn't the GS have a little more power?
between the two of ninja 250 vs gs500 - i'd recommend the gs.
between the ninja 500 and the gs500, it's a toss up. please have him take a look at the ex500
(500R ninja) also. these bikes are very similar, very good to tour/commute/play on, and if
maintained proper, last a nice long time.
have him hop over to ex-500.com and take a look at the posts by FOG and a few of the other
regulars. there is a wealth of information here, and there.
between the ninja250, ninja500, and gs500, the ninja250 is the loser. sorry, it's just not going to
be as usable a machine as the other two.
*******
tell him to buy the gear, wear the gear, and ride like his life depends on it. we want him around
next spring.
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Reply #15 on: March 02, 2009, 02:16:18 PM
Quote from: ohgood on March 02, 2009, 01:40:18 PM

tell him to buy the gear, wear the gear, and ride like his life depends on it. we want him
around next spring.
Exactly, regardless of what bike(s) he buys he needs to get the gear and wear it, ATGATT (all the
gear all the time). Also if he hasn't taken the MSF safety course or something like that, then that
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Reply #16 on: March 02, 2009, 02:28:01 PM
Is the Ninja 250 really that much worse than the GS500? Almost every review that I've read of
it has been raving. I think I remember a review (possibly posted on this site) from a guy who
rode a hayabusa or some other crazy fast bike, that said the ninja 250 was a great bike and a lot
of fun.
I think any of those bikes (Ninja 250, Ninja 500 & GS 500) will be equal amounts of fun. None of
them will be great on the highway (maybe the guy doesn't care about riding on the highway) and
all are light and handle well in the twisties.
I'd say it boils down more to how well he fits on the bike and other preferences like looks.
Is the Ninja 250 smaller than the GS? I'm 6'2" and am a little bit cramped on the GS. It's
comfortable enough for an hour or two, but I don't think I'd want a bike physically smaller than
that.
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Reply #17 on: March 02, 2009, 03:15:47 PM
I have to disagree. I think all of those bikes would be good on the highway. They might not be
able to go 120 mph, like a lot of the 600+s can, but their MPGs more than make up for that IMO.
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Reply #18 on: March 02, 2009, 04:36:16 PM
Quote from: tripleb on March 02, 2009, 03:15:47 PM

I have to disagree. I think all of those bikes would be good on the highway.
Depends on the highway. On a road like 280 out here, where the speed of traffic is often 7080mph or more, a 250 is definitely sketchy; a 250 is screaming near the top of the rev range
just to keep up with traffic. There are a number of ways to stay safe on a freeway, and when
you're maxing out the power just to keep up with traffic, you're giving up the ability to
proactively motor out of trouble. While not the only option, it's one I'm loth to give up.
If the speed of traffic isn't going to be higher than 50mph, either will do.
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Reply #19 on: March 02, 2009, 04:51:32 PM
i only had the 250 for about 3 months before i had to sell it, but in that time, i'd say i had a
crazy amount of fun on it. The 250 is plenty capable, it just takes some getting used to when
you're shifting 3-4k higher than on other bikes, its like driving a V8 all your life, and then driving
the honda S2000. I came from the bay, and riding on 280 with traffic moving about 70-80 was
not that bad, i was at maybe 9500 at 80, but then again, i did have the 15T front sprocket. The
thing is, the 250 loves to be revved up there, and apparently, from forum members on
ninja250.net, there really isn't any long term damage to be cruising about at 9k all the time. A
forum member named Duke and several others i can remember do the iron butt rally on the 250,
with no more modifications than a larger gas tank.
i'm not downplaying the gs500 at all, but simply mentioning that for a first bike, its a real tossup
between the two, there is no clear winner or loser here. Either bike is clearly a better choice than
a crotch rocket 600 or 1000. So tell your buddy to pick whatever bike they like better
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Reply #20 on: March 02, 2009, 04:55:25 PM
Who comes to a GS500 website and thinks that there wont be any bias towards the GS500.
Hopefully you have posted this same thread on a Kawa forum and see what they have seen.
Hopefully they point to the GS, i am 6'6 and my knees would touch the front tire on a 250ninja.
But i think your friend needs to look at being comfortable and the practicability over that race
breed look. He has to learn to walk before he can run.
he always has the option of the 500F, but fairings are risky for new riders.... as i found out....
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Reply #21 on: March 02, 2009, 04:59:07 PM
fairing on a bike are no riskier then doors and fenders are for a new driver. if you hit something
fairings or not your fixing something.
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Reply #22 on: March 02, 2009, 05:20:54 PM
Quote from: joshr08 on March 02, 2009, 04:59:07 PM

fairing on a bike are no riskier then doors and fenders are for a new driver. if you hit
something fairings or not your fixing something.
If you drop a naked bike, the scraped bar-end doesn't show your n00bishness to the world the
way rashed fairings do. If you don't give a damn, though, it's not such a deal-breaker.
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Reply #23 on: March 02, 2009, 05:58:51 PM
Quote from: VSG on March 02, 2009, 02:28:01 PM

1) Is the Ninja 250 really that much worse than the GS500? 2) Almost every
review that I've read of it has been raving. I think I remember a review (possibly
posted on this site) from a guy who rode a hayabusa or some other crazy fast
bike, that said the ninja 250 was a great bike and a lot of fun.
I think any of those bikes (Ninja 250, Ninja 500 & GS 500) will be equal amounts of fun.
None of them will be great on the highway (maybe the guy doesn't care about riding on the
highway) and all are light and handle well in the twisties.
I'd say it boils down more to how well he fits on the bike and other preferences like looks.
Is the Ninja 250 smaller than the GS? I'm 6'2" and am a little bit cramped on the GS. It's
comfortable enough for an hour or two, but I don't think I'd want a bike physically smaller
than that.
1) oh man, i hope you didn't get the impression that the 250 is a BAD machine. nope. not at all.
it's a fantastic machine.
2) yep, the reviews are great. the reviewer you're thinking about is a hayabusa rider, that tours
some of the best roads on the east coast and beyound. here is his tour website:
http://pashnit.com
and here is his (wow, 300,000 views !) first ride on the ninja 250 after many many miles on a
busa:
http://www.pashnitforum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1145
hope i didn't mislead you with the first post. the ninja 250 is a great bike. as far as bias towards
a gs/whoever, sure, you'll get a little. gstwins is cool enough to know there are LOTS of bikes
that rock, and you don't see much bashing of other machines here. sure, there are jokes about
hayabusa's being busses, etc, but it's all in good fun. the level of maturity is usually almost
boring. gotta rib someone to get em to realize there is a joke involved
ride safe !
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Engine
Suzuki GS500
Kawasaki Ninja 250R
Displacement
29.00 ci
15.00 ci
Max power
47 HP (@9 500 RPM)
32 HP (@11 000 RPM)
Max torque
30 lb ft (@7 500 RPM)
16 lb ft (@9 500 RPM)
Redline
11 000 RPM
14 000 RPM
Idling speed
1 200 RPM
1 300 RPM
Management
Carburetor
Fuel Injection
Layout
Inline-2
Inline-2
Compression
8.00:1
11.60:1
Oil capacity
3.03 quart
1.61 quart
Oil type
10W40, Motul 300V 10W40, Shell Rotella

10W40
10W40, Kawasaki 10W40, Shell Rotella

10W40
Spark plug type NGK DPR8EA-9, DENSO X24EPR-U9
NGK CR8E
Cooling
Liquid
Liquid
Valves
Bore
2.91 in
2.44 in
Stroke
2.23 in
1.62 in
Weight to power 8.72 lbs/HP
11.64 lbs/HP
Power to weight 286 HP/2500lbs
214 HP/2500lbs
Battery type
12V 11Ah
YTX9-BS
Gearbox
Suzuki GS500
Kawasaki Ninja 250R
Type
Sequential
Sequential
Clutch
Wet
Wet
Drive
Chain
Chain
Gears count
Primary ratio
2.714
3.087
Final drive
2.437
3.214
1. gear
2.461 (48 mph)
2.6 (39 mph)
2. gear
1.777 (67 mph)
1.789 (57 mph)
3. gear
1.38 (86 mph)
1.409 (72 mph)
4. gear
1.125 (106 mph)
1.16 (88 mph)
5. gear
0.961 (124 mph)
1.0 (101 mph)
6. gear
0.851 (140 mph)
0.893 (114 mph)
Chasis
Suzuki GS500
Frame type
Kawasaki Ninja 250R

Tubular, diamond
Front susp.
Telescopic fork
Telescopic fork, 4.72 in travel
Rear susp.
Link type
Swingarm (uni-trak), 5.12 in travel
Dimensions
Suzuki GS500
Kawasaki Ninja 250R
Height
3.39 ft
3.55 ft
Width
2.56 ft
2.29 ft
Length
6.66 ft
6.67 ft
Wheelbase
4.50 ft
4.48 ft
Ground clearance
5.91 in
5.12 in
Seat height
2.53 ft
2.48 ft
Wet weight
410 lbs
373 lbs
Dry weight
384 lbs
335 lbs
Tank capacity
4.5 gallon
4.8 gallon
Rake
25.00
26.00
Trail
3.74 in
3.23 in
Tires
Suzuki GS500
Kawasaki Ninja 250R
Front tire
110/70 Z17
100/70 17M/C 54H
Rear tire
130/70 Z17
130/70 17M/C 54H
Brakes
Suzuki GS500
Kawasaki Ninja 250R
Front brakes
Disc
Disc
Front caliper
2 pistons
2 pistons
Front brake diameter
310 mm
290 mm
Rear brakes
Disc
Disc
Rear caliper
1 piston
1 piston
Rear brake diameter
250 mm
220 mm
Engine
Suzuki GS500
Yamaha R3
Displacement
29.00 ci
19.00 ci
Max power
47 HP (@9 500 RPM)
42 HP (@10 750 RPM)
Max torque
30 lb ft (@7 500 RPM)
21 lb ft (@9 000 RPM)
Redline
11 000 RPM
12 245 RPM
Idling speed
1 200 RPM
Management
Carburetor
Fuel Injection
Layout
Inline-2
Inline-2
Compression
8.00:1
11.20:1
Oil capacity
3.03 quart
2.27 quart
Oil type

10W40

10W40
Spark plug type NGK DPR8EA-9, DENSO X24EPR-U9
NGK CR8E
Cooling
Liquid
Liquid
Valves
Bore
2.91 in
2.68 in
Stroke
2.23 in
1.74 in
Weight to
power
8.72 lbs/HP
8.71 lbs/HP
Power to weight 286 HP/2500lbs
286 HP/2500lbs
Battery type
12V, 7.0 Ah, GTZ8V
12V 11Ah
Gearbox
Suzuki GS500
Yamaha R3
Type
Sequential
Sequential
Clutch
Wet
Wet
Drive
Chain
Chain
Gears count
Primary ratio
2.714
3.043
Final drive
2.437
3.071
1. gear
2.461 (48 mph)
2.5 (39 mph)
2. gear
1.777 (67 mph)
1.824 (53 mph)
3. gear
1.38 (86 mph)
1.348 (71 mph)
4. gear
1.125 (106 mph)
1.087 (89 mph)
5. gear
0.961 (124 mph)
0.92 (105 mph)
6. gear
0.851 (140 mph)
0.8 (120 mph)
Chasis
Suzuki GS500
Frame type
Yamaha R3
Diamond
Front susp.
Telescopic fork
Telescopic fork, coil spring, oil damper, 130 mm travel
Rear susp.
Link type
Swingarm, spring/shock absorber, coil spring/oil damper, 130 mm travel
Dimensions
Suzuki GS500
Yamaha R3
Height
3.39 ft
3.63 ft
Width
2.56 ft
2.30 ft
Length
6.66 ft
6.69 ft
Wheelbase
4.50 ft
4.42 ft
Ground clearance
5.91 in
6.30 in
Seat height
2.53 ft
Wet weight
410 lbs
Dry weight
384 lbs
366 lbs
Max payload weight
353 lbs
Tank capacity
4.5 gallon
3.7 gallon
Rake
25.00
25.00
Trail
3.74 in
3.74 in
Tires
Suzuki GS500
Yamaha R3
Front tire
110/70 Z17
110/70 17 M/C (54H)
Pressure
Rear tire
29.01 PSI
130/70 Z17
140/70 17 M/C (66H)
Pressure
36.26 PSI
Stock tires
Michelin Pilot Street
Brakes
Suzuki GS500
Yamaha R3
Front brakes
Disc
Disc
Front caliper
2 pistons
1 piston
Front brake diameter
310 mm
298 mm
Rear brakes
Disc
Disc
Rear caliper
1 piston
1 piston
Rear brake diameter
250 mm
220 mm

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