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#47387 - 02/23/12 09:27 PM
Ankur
Thank u marian, but in Caesar II which material I will take. The name
which u have given is not in the material list in caesar II.
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not all material available on the market are on the data base, you can
add your material in the data base, you just need to type the correct
material property
for this you need to find the temp, exp coff, allow stress, elastic
modulus for this particular material
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#47464 - 02/28/12 09:42 PM
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#47559 - 03/05/12 03:31 AM
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#47572 - 03/05/12 11:17 AM
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If you want to add this material to the material database, you can use
"\Tools\Material Database Editor". Please read the documentation on this
tool before you use it (at a minimum you will need two entries for your
material: one for "All Codes", and one for your specific Code of interest).
If you don't want to add this material to the material database, then you
must specify all of the material properties in the piping input. The
expansion coefficient (in units of length/length) can be entered in the
Temperature field (see the Help text on this). Note the units are
lenght/length, you need to take care of "delta T".
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#47586 - 03/06/12 05:43 AM
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#47600 - 03/06/12 09:24 PM
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Then put it in T2, and include an OPE load case that uses T2.
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#47604 - 03/06/12 09:37 PM
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#47606 - 03/06/12 10:26 PM
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Richard,
As you told to input my expansion coefficient .009475 in./in in T2. The
same error is showing in caesar II that is
"Temperature Fields on element 10 to 20 Expansion Coefficient for USER
DEFINED materials must be set by the user".
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#47615 - 03/07/12 08:28 PM
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You can't put the design temperature, or any other temperature for that
matter, in any of the Tx fields for the USER DEFINED material (material
#21). The reason is that this is a completely user defined material, there is
no information for CAESAR II to look up, like what the expansion
coefficient is for a specified temperature. So for any temperature you want
to analyze (design, operating 1, operating 2, etc), you have to input the
corresponding expansion coefficient.
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#47663 - 03/09/12 03:35 AM
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Thank you very much Richard, now its not showing any error.
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#47689 - 03/12/12 02:25 AM
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#47715 - 03/12/12 10:58 AM
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You need to convert that number to mm/mm/C, then you need to muliply
by the delta Temperature in degress C. (Note in my post of March 5th, I
said the units should be "length/length", not "length/length/deg".)
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Thank you very much Richard. Once i will finished I will let you know.
Thank you for all your support.
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Richard,
I have question regarding your post on 03/12/12 at 10:58 AM in the above
matter.
My question is shall we need to Multiply by the delta Temperature in
degress C to mm/mm/C? If we will Multiply then the unit will become C
square.
Kindly know the members opinion along with Richard too.
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#48170 - 04/04/12 06:14 AM
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Yes, you are correct. The units of the coefficient entered in the temperature
fields of the Piping Input dialog must be "length/length".
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#48185 - 04/04/12 10:55 PM
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Dear Sir,
I had created a new material in Caesar II material database. Lately I have
changed CAESAR II older Version to latest Version. When I open that
particular (Material Property changed model) file a Material warning 4
message appears, saying that Material is not in the database. Keep the
existing material properties.
My query: Is it possible to view the old entered material property which
is not in the material database (CAESAR II LATEST VER.).
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Dear Sir,
Thank you very much for quick reply but i have uninstalled the older
version and i deleted everything. Sir, Is there any other way to read the
material property at this position. CAESAR II asks to keep the existing
material property 'yes keep' or u 'no update', when i click 'yes keep' i
could use the edited material. So i guess the material property might
stored somewhere if yes kindly help me.
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#39564 - 12/14/10 12:20 PM
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The "input echo" will show the material data, but only for the temperatures
you defined when the job was created. So for example, if your T1 is 300,
then you have an expansion coefficient at 300 and an allowable stress at
300 - but you don't have the whole table. That table is (was) maintained in
UMAT1.BIN, not in the input file.
The warning message simply means that the data in the input file doesn't
match the data in the material database. If you "keep" the existing data, then
the data defined in the input is used. If you select "update", the data from
the "current" material database is obtained and replaces what is in the input
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I am facing the problem with the material data - (393)B423 N08825. I used
the following temperature for my load cases T1=35 deg C, T2 = 100 deg C
and T3 = -21 deg C.
When i select the above mentioned material, the hot allowable stress for
SH3 is changing to zero and the errors are displayed stating that "On
element 130 to 140 the temperature for Case-1/case-2 and case-3 is outside
the allowed range for this material"
Why this kind of error comes when i select the default material database.
For additional details refer attached pictures
Please clarify.
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Which piping code are you running to? Allowables for this material are in
the database for ONLY B31.1 and B31.3. If you select another Code,
physical properties are there but not allowables - hence the message.
If you're running to B31.3, there is no expansion coefficient below
21.111C, so your -21C temperature would generate an error. If you have
this data, you can update the database.
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I am using ASME B31.3 code, the error message is also shown for the
temperature of 35 deg C and 100 deg C. Also why the expansion coefficient
is not available in Caesar-II material database for that material at temp
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@Raam,
It is the same problem that I am facing now. I entered the properties of a
new material in the material database. Developed a CAESAR II model
with this material in it. Then due to a problem I had to uninstall and
reinstall CAESAR II. Now I need the properties of that material. Unable to
do so.
Raam,
Did you get the answer?
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Recreate the material or choose "keep" when you are asked. Always keep a
copy of Umat1.bin in the calculation folder.
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No, i could not view the complete material properties which i had entered
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but as like dan said, i kept the existing material properties throughout the
analysis. Please make some copies of that file before you start doing the
analysis. Suppose without knowingly, if you click the update icon, you
can retrieve the old data from another copy.
Also Make a "Read Me" note inside the folder, "not to update the
material database", this will help you in future.
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Dear all,
In stress analysis, we are analysis two different material like A321 TP 316L
to A790 S31803, In the case, we have an error like The temperature from
case 1, 2, 3 is outside the allowed range for this material.
Expansion Coefficient shown only for A312 TP 316L, change material to
A790 S31803 in that Expansion coefficient not shown, how solve the error.
please clarify.
find the attachment for reference.
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This is because you have installation temperature lower than 21.11422 and
for these temperatures you do not have any data in the material database. So
Caesar can not calculate anything.
Please see attached.
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Since this particular issue has been popular among users, we have spent
quite some time searching for this data. This URL is the only source we
have found for the expansion coefficient for S31803. Note that the low end
of the temperature scale is ambient, so while we did incorporate this
information into the CAESAR II Material DataBase, you can't use it below
ambient - this is why you're getting error 60E.
The solution here is for you to contact whomever you are going to purchase
your pipe from, and ask them for the material properties. (Hopefully they
can provide this information to you in a formal brochure or publication. If
you then forward this information to COADE, we will update the
Database.)
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Hello Richard,
Another problem I am facing with (338)A790 S31803 from library is,
even for ambient temperature I am getting error 60E. Where as, in Spread
sheet it properly shows allowables for the amb. temperature.
When I did same exersise for Version4.4, it shows warning 121E, about
hot allowables not specified.
Is it due to change in Library for Ver.5? How to deal with it while working
in Vesion5?
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Make sure that none of your "element temperatures" and your ambient
temperature are below 70 deg F. Note that if you're working in metric, 70
degF converts to 21.111111111 degC, so if you defined ambient as 21 degC,
that's your problem.
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Re: Duplex material A790 S31803 ( -46 to +120) [Re: Richard Ay]
has there been any update to the issue? i am having the same problem. Has
there been values given for temperatures lower than the ambient?
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Re: Duplex material A790 S31803 ( -46 to +120) [Re: Richard Ay]
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Our installation temperature and Ambient for the job is 4 deg. C. and
we have minimum temperatures down to -7 deg. C.
Our pipng materails for the job are:
Pipe => A790 S31803 Smls & A928 S31803 CL5
Welding Fittings => A815 S31803
I read the posts above, I'm just adding my name to the list of those
needing lower temperatures capabilities for this materail in Caesar II.
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But ASME B31.3-2004 shown the allowable stress 22.3 ksi for metal temp
1000 deg.(F), it means we can use up to 1000 deg(F).
In this case why the above indicated error coming ? How to solve it?
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If you'll check this entry in the material database you'll find that the lowest
expansion coefficient is for 70 degF. So if you have any temperatures below
70 (including ambient) that would explain the message.
The reason for this is that the Code doesn't offer expansion coefficients at
low temperatures for this material.
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Re: ERROR- 60E WITH MATERIAL (393)B423 N08825 [Re: Richard Ay]
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The reason for this is that the Code doesn't offer expansion coefficients at low
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Ask your "Materials Expert" for the data, or alternatively ask your pipe
supplier. We (COADE) don't have this data.