Mr_Piongly

2011-04-08, 09:37 PM
Hi all
in GSM system we have the SD channels that transport signalling traffic.
If we have blocks we can take a TS (time slot) dedicated for TCH and define it as new SD.
In this way we can improve accessibility
In UMTS we have RRC connection , but i don't understand when we will have blocks.
If we have only a carrier f1, how many simultaneous attempts are neccessary to have blocks ?
how is it possible whe we need to expande the rrc connection capacity ?
thanks
Walid Madih
2011-04-08, 11:21 PM
Hi all
in GSM system we have the SD channels that transport signalling traffic.
If we have blocks we can take a TS (time slot) dedicated for TCH and define it as new SD.
In this way we can improve accessibility
In UMTS we have RRC connection , but i don't understand when we will have blocks.
If we have only a carrier f1, how many simultaneous attempts are neccessary to have blocks ?
how is it possible whe we need to expande the rrc connection capacity ?
thanks
in RRC it's not count by number the below cause can cause rejection:
- CAC because of UL/DL power
- NO CE availble
- No Iub resource.
- No Code available.
zeezzoo
2011-04-09, 01:08 AM
Dear,
the Capacity in UMTS is related to : Codes , CEs , Downlink Power , RTWP (which is uplink
interference = Load of the cell) and Iub Resources .
you can have blocked RRC (Rejected) when you don't have enough resources of at least one
of the above mentioned .
first UE sends RRC Connection Request . then if the system has enough resources , it will
send RRC Connection Setup (RRC Accepted) .
riyantoyadi
2011-04-09, 06:21 PM
for RRC 4 parameter : Code, Power, CE and Iub that's all
Mctest
2011-04-11, 05:06 AM

for RRC 4 parameter : Code, Power, CE and Iub that's all

Does the uplink interference influence on the RRC Connection capacity?
Walid Madih
2011-04-11, 05:54 AM
Does the uplink interference influence on the RRC Connection capacity?
yes if ul cac is enable for ul power
manson
2011-04-11, 04:42 PM
in RRC it's not count by number the below cause can cause rejection:
- CAC because of UL/DL power
- NO CE availble
- No Iub resource.
- No Code available.
How do we know, RRC blocking due to UL/DL power...?
And 4 of cause...
Anybody can explain it...?
Sorry, newbie.. :rolleyes:
riyantoyadi
2011-04-11, 04:48 PM
Huawei have special counter about that :
VS.RRC.Rej.Power.Cong Failure of requesting for power resources.
VS.RRC.Rej.UL.CE.Cong Failure of requesting for uplink CE resources in a cell.
VS.RRC.Rej.DL.CE.Cong Failure of requesting for downlink CE resources in a cell.
VS.RRC.Rej.Code.Cong Failure of requesting for code resources.
VS.RRC.Rej.ULIUBBandCong RNC admission algorithm rejection due to congestion of the
uplink Iub interface bandwidth.
VS.RRC.Rej.DLIUBBandCong RNC admission algorithm rejection due to congestion of the
downlink Iub interface bandwidth.
hope it usefull
Ummi
2011-04-11, 04:53 PM
very usefull info
Irna
2011-04-11, 04:55 PM
How about RAB? is there any differences?
Mctest
2011-04-11, 06:04 PM
How about RAB? is there any differences?
Of course yes!Because you may have resources for the establishment of the RRC connection
and no resources for the RAB establishment(for example no available codes for the requested
service)
zeezzoo
2011-04-13, 02:30 AM
How do we know, RRC blocking due to UL/DL power...?
And 4 of cause...

Anybody can explain it...?

Sorry, newbie.. :rolleyes:
power cong is always in the downlink .
because one cell has a max power (20 watt , 40 , 60) according to nodeB hardware & license .
when the cell had already used all the power it has , it cannot connect to a new user since
there is no enough power to dedicate it to this new user .
for uplink power : each UE has it's own power which is enough to overcome the path loss in
all the cells . but when the cell is loaded the noise floor increases (50% load ==> rtwp = -103
dBm theoretically ; RTWP = Uplink Interference) ==> the UE has to use higher power to
achieve the required BLER for a given QOS service (there is different BLER requirement for
each service ; BLER = Block Error Rate) .
let's say that for a given service and a given cell load the UE cannot achieve the required
BLER even when using the max power ==> the connection cannot be established . but if the
UE moved closer toward the site ==> it maybe get the service because in this case the path
loss became smaller and we have extra power to achieve the required BLER .
This is what is called cell breath = cell shrink which is only on the uplink (not on the
downlink) because all the UEs under this cell can decode the PCPICH (33dBm default) but
some of them are out of the uplink coverage , so to speak , because no enough power to
achieve the required BLER .
so finally when we have DL power problem ==> it can be counted . but when we have UL
power problem ==> it cannot be counted because the UE cannot connect to the network (no
message can be sent and received correctly from the UE to NodeB) .
sorry for writing too much . hope it will be usefull
BR,
redtomato168
2011-04-26, 03:12 PM
Huawei have special counter about that :
VS.RRC.Rej.Power.Cong Failure of requesting for power resources.
VS.RRC.Rej.UL.CE.Cong Failure of requesting for uplink CE resources in a cell.
VS.RRC.Rej.DL.CE.Cong Failure of requesting for downlink CE resources in a cell.
VS.RRC.Rej.Code.Cong Failure of requesting for code resources.
VS.RRC.Rej.ULIUBBandCong RNC admission algorithm rejection due to congestion of the
uplink Iub interface bandwidth.
VS.RRC.Rej.DLIUBBandCong RNC admission algorithm rejection due to congestion of the
downlink Iub interface bandwidth.
hope it usefull
but how solve RRC reject
agenov
2011-04-26, 03:21 PM

but how solve RRC reject

Increase congested resource or/and apply different load algorithms (vendor specific).
BR
Alex
Irna
2011-05-01, 02:59 PM
what kind of rejection and specific caused already explain
adewijaya
2011-05-01, 03:07 PM
1. Congest due to CE --> add more CE
2. Congest due to Code ---> add more Code or Carrier
3. Congest due to Power ---> decrease PCPICH Power or add more carrier
redtomato168
2011-05-06, 09:22 PM
1. Congest due to CE --> add more CE
2. Congest due to Code ---> add more Code or Carrier
3. Congest due to Power ---> decrease PCPICH Power or add more carrier
My network, some cell have UL load very high always over 80%, 90% or 100%. At this time
RTWP is also very high (-65 : -90 dBm). But i dont how to improve RTWP or decrease UL
Load?
Ummi
2011-05-06, 10:23 PM
hope this issue already solved, isn't it?
zeezzoo
2011-05-07, 12:55 PM
My network, some cell have UL load very high always over 80%, 90% or 100%. At this time
RTWP is also very high (-65 : -90 dBm). But i dont how to improve RTWP or decrease UL
Load?
dear your RTWP is very high and i think -90 ==> -65 dBm are not caused by the traffic
generated in the network . it's interference , maybe external .
you should plot the traffic & RTWP on charts (on hourly basis) to make sure that you have a
high RTWP even when you have very low traffic ==> this means you have interference .
the first preventive action is to change your noise floor where you have a parameter (used by
the admission control) by which you set the value of the noise floor . huawie have this
parameter but i doun't know if other vendors have it. after changing that parameter you will
find that you have lower # of rejected RRCs .
but finally you should determine the source of the interference & conduct the problem to the
related authorities .
adewijaya
2011-05-07, 01:01 PM
actually even this change depend on interference suffered, find the resource will be more
advantages. Using LMT to know what kind of uplink interference is a simple ways
agenov

2011-05-07, 05:09 PM
My network, some cell have UL load very high always over 80%, 90% or 100%. At this time
RTWP is also very high (-65 : -90 dBm). But i dont how to improve RTWP or decrease UL
Load?
Who is your vendor?
BR
gogotchiya83
2011-06-28, 02:33 AM
What about the RRC_ reject_Timeout ?
What does it means? what it is the reason?
tthach830
2011-07-06, 09:16 AM
in RRC it's not count by number the below cause can cause rejection:
- CAC because of UL/DL power
- NO CE availble
- No Iub resource.
- No Code available.
When there is no code available which code are we talking about?
Scrambling code / Channelization code? I understand the code is to be assigned to the UE. So
is this the channelization code or scrambling code?
Irna
2011-07-06, 02:06 PM
OVSF code,its mean channelization code
johny
2011-11-15, 02:28 PM
hi, can you explain the handling methods for resolving the above mentioned types of
congestions ... or perhaps refer a doc that explains resolutions to the above ....thanks,John
YANG SONG
2011-11-15, 02:55 PM
1. Congest due to CE --> add more CE
2. Congest due to Code ---> add more Code or Carrier
3. Congest due to Power ---> decrease PCPICH Power or add more carrier
if you have no resources to add more CE\ Code or power.you can also shut down the UL PS
384, 256 to reduce Resource consumption.
johny
2011-11-15, 03:00 PM
Thanks Yang - For code congestion I cannot decrease codes in some other cell or the codes
are shard in a pool ?
YANG SONG
2011-11-15, 06:15 PM
Thanks Yang - For code congestion I cannot decrease codes in some other cell or the codes
are shard in a pool ?the code and power belong to a cell, add 2th carrier is a good way. you
can't share the code and power in some other cell , unlike the CE .in our network, there is a
feature to share code and power between R99 and HSPA, First of all you should be sure what

kind of serves types congestion, tihis is the best way.sorry my Englis is not good.hope your
good news!
atifbukhari
2011-11-21, 07:42 PM
the code and power belong to a cell, add 2th carrier is a good way. you can't share the code
and power in some other cell , unlike the CE .in our network, there is a feature to share code
and power between R99 and HSPA, First of all you should be sure what kind of serves types
congestion, tihis is the best way.sorry my Englis is not good.hope your good news!
Hi, I would like to know about the feature which shares power between R99 & HSPA.