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Dear al695

Maurer Magnetic AG in Switzerland is specialised in removing magnetism from parts similar as you have.
Just contact them. They have a wide range of degaussing equipment and a lot of knowlege to help you.
Visite their website under www.maurermagnetic.ch
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12/23/2009 4:51 AM

It depends on the part of the world you are , so can not give you company name.
Contact any NDT lab around, you are sure to find one. One of the requirements after MPI is to remove the
residual magnetism. The MPI equipments, worth their name, come with the auto-demag cycle.
You can measure the residual magnetism after the demag is over. They will definitely carry out for you at a
fee. And this being usually portable, that wouldn't be much.

Other methods will depends upon your location, and availability of the corresponding facility there.
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12/23/2009 9:00 AM

The easiest way . . . just drop the lids on a hard surface. The mechanical shock will usually dissapate the
residual magnetism left from welding operations.

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12/23/2009 11:00 AM

Does anyone know a mal695:ethod of removing the magnetic field?

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Last year we have successfully to degaussing of GE Turbine 180 MW and Rotor Generator , this scope is a part
of the total scope for rewinding of rotor generator 180 MW, to removing the magnetism in the parts ( shaft,
gear, bearings, casing, rotor, blades, etc) you requred a auto degaussing instrument such as MPS, pls check
out the following article and my experiences to remove of magnetizing in the Turbine parts and Rotor
generator.

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Before degaussing the magnetism are 20 to 52 gauss, we degauss up to 0 - max 6 gauss on the rotor
generator (slot portions) and 0 - 2 gauss at shaft, bearings, turbine rotor, couplings, etc and 0-6 gauss on the
turbine casing.
Any questions and required technical support you can contact me at :
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fig1. gauss measurement on the LP Turbine by digital gauss meter

Fig.2. Gauss Measurement on the generator coupling

Fig.3__ gauss measurment on the LP Turbine Shaft

Fig.4__Degaussing on the Rotor Generator Shaft

Fig.5__Degaussing on the bearings

Fig.6__ Degaussing on the bearing supports

Fig.7__ MPS Auto Degaussing

Fig.8__ Digital Gauss Meter

Fig.9__Gaus Meter Analog

Fig 10__Degaussing on the rotor generator when rotor still in place


Demagnetizing
Magnetism in Machinery, account for many machinery failures, in particular the deterioration of bearings,
seals, geras, couplings and journal has been attributed to electrical currents in machinery. Often on
machinery groupings contain no components with electrical windings or intended magnetism, ie. No motors,
generators. Manufacturers of electrical equipment have recognized and protected against the effects of
electrical shaft currents, bearing insulation has been utilized for such purposes.
There are number of ways in which steel machinery parts can become magnetized. Placing a part in a strong
magnetic field can leave substantial residual magnetism. Mechanical shock and high stressing of some
materials can also initiate a residual field.
Another that can creating residual magnetism is the passing of electrical current through the parts, electrical
system faults nearby heavy electrical currents such as rectified supplies and lightning, electrostatic

discharges, which are credited with causing bearing and seal pitting, the use of electrical welding and heaters
on pipes and other parts is common and if not used properly can induce residual magnetism.
Magnetism in Machinery
Magnetism in machinery accounts for many previously unexplained machinery failures. In particular, the
deterioration of bearings, seals, gears, couplings and journals has been attributed to electrical currents in
machinery. Often, such trains or machinery groupings contain no components with electrical windings or
intended magnetism, i.e., no motors or generators.
Since the turn of the century, manufacturers of electrical equipment have recognized and protected against
the effects of electrical shaft currents. Bearing insulation has customarily been utilized for such purposes.
Only since the mid-1970's has the need for protective measures on totally mechanical systems been fully
realized. The evolution of turbine and compressor systems towards high speeds and massive frames is
acknowledged as the cause for a new source of trouble from magnetic fields.
An electrical generator converts mechanical power to electrical power through magnetic fields. A conventional
generator rotor is essentially a magnet that is rotated in such a manner that its magnetic field flux passes
through coils of windings. Propitious placement of the coils in slots and other design features result in the
conversion of mechanical energy to electrical energy. This produces electrical voltage and power in the
windings that is then delivered to the electrical load or power system.
A turbine, compressor, or any other rotating machine that is magnetized behaves much the same way. The
magnetic steel parts provide a magnetic circuit, and are also electrically conducting so that voltages are
generated, producing localized eddy currents and circulating currents. These currents will be either alternating
or direct, and can spark or discharge across gaps and interfaces, producing sparking with frosting, spark
tracks, and, in the extreme, welding. They can cause increased temperatures and inflict or initiate severe
damage.
The generator action occurs as a result of relative movement between the magnet and the "conductors."
Hence, either the frame of a machine or the rotor can be magnetized, and the same action exists when
relative motion occurs between the rotating and stationary parts.
The magnetic field density in the air gap of assembled and operating motors and generators is designed to be

in the order of 7,000 to 9,000 gauss. These fields are capable of generating from watts to megawatts of
electrical power, depending upon the speed and size of the generator.
The field levels due to residual magnetism in turbomachinery occur not from design but from manufacturing,
testing, and environmental causes. They have been measured at the surface and in gaps of disassembled
parts of a machine at levels from 2 gauss to thousands of gauss. These increase significantly in the
assembled machine where the magnetic material provides a good closed path for the magnetism and the air
gaps between parts are reduced considerably. This combination can set up conditions for generation of
notable stray voltages and the circulation of damaging currents.
There are a number of ways in which steel machinery parts can become magnetized. Placing a part in a
strong magnetic field can leave substantial residual magnetism. Mechanical shock and high stressing of some
materials can also initiate a residual field.
Another method of creating residual magnetism is the passing of electrical current through the parts. In
increasing order of their effect, following are the known examples: Electric system faults; nearby heavy
electrical currents, such as rectified supplies and chemical processes; and lightning. Electrostatic discharges,
which are credited with causing bearing and seal pitting, can also be insidious sources in magnetization of
shafts.
The use of electrical welders and heaters on pipes and other parts is common and, if not used properly, will
induce residual magnetism.
Items that have been subjected to magnetic particle inspection often retain residual magnetism because of
insufficient or improper demagnetizing following the test.
Components that have come in contact with magnetic chucks and magnetic bases often display multiple
adjacent poles of a residual field.
Field Measurement and Demagnetizing
Magnetic fields are measured with devices called gaussmeters. As the name implies, these meters measure
magnetic flux density in units of gauss. Most meters utilize a probe that works on the "Hall Effect." This type
of probe utilizes high frequency currents in its semiconductor chip to produce a characteristic proportional to
the magnetic field. Usually, only the very tip of the probe is field sensitive.

Fields that pass perpendicular to the face of the Hall Effect semiconductor are measured. The Hall Effect
probe performs expertly in measuring direct (DC) magnetic fields. Its accuracy, and the interpretation of just
what is being read if it is employed for measuring alternating (AC) fields, is uncertain and questionable.
Reliable AC gauss or milligauss measurements are usually obtained employing separate circuitry in the
gaussmeter, and a different probe encompassing an AC fields sensor coil. It can be used on operating
machines or in environments containing alternating fields.
Magnetic fields are directional, being "North" at one end and "South" at the other. Hall Effect probes are
directionally sensitive. If the probe is flipped over, a reverse reading is indicated, consistent with sensing
either a North or South pole. With digital metering, the sign of the field is automatically indicated (+ or -).
Analog meters with a zero center scale will read to the left or right of zero. Keeping one side of the probe
(such as the side with the calibration number) always facing away from the object being measured and calling
it a North pole when the meter reads positive, establishes a convention for locating North and South poles,
and the orientation and path of the magnetism that is creating the poles.
This arbitrary choice for a North pole may be opposite from the established convention; however, it is fully
adequate in locating magnetic circuits and their magnetizing forces for purposes of degaussing. Should
agreement with established convention on polarity identification be important, the North pole side of an
identified reference magnet may be utilized for determining which outward-facing side of the Hall Effect probe
produces a positive magnetism reading, which should be labeled North.
A good gaussmeter has a calibration means to verify proper probe calibration, as well as a zeroing
adjustment. The zeroing procedure requires that the probe be temporarily inserted in a "zero gauss chamber."
These small chambers shield out stray fields, including the Earth's field, so that a true zero field is realized. A
typical Gaussmeter

Maximum Allowable Residual Magnetic Field Levels (As Measured in Open Air)

2 gauss:

Bearing components, including pads and retainers, journals, thrust disc, seals, gears and coupling
teeth.

4 gauss: Bearing housings.

6 gauss: Mid-shaft and wheel areas, diaphragms, etc.

10
gauss:

Components remote from minimum clearance areas, such as casings, pipings, etc.

Reference :
Principles of Magnetism and Stray Currents in Rotating Machinery
By Paul I. Nippes, P.E., President Magnetic Products and Services, Inc.
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The tool used to deguass things usually creates an alternating magnetic field by applying standard mains AC
to a coil in close proximity to the magnetised item. This disturbs the allignment of the metal's field and
reduces it's magnetic strength.
Depending upon how large the item is that you want to demagnetise you can wind a coil and apply the
appropriate AC voltage through the use of a variac and a large resistor to serve as a ballast to limit the
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Be sure to connect a capacity in parallel with the degaussing coil. When you interrupt the coil current, the
coil and the capacitor will for an oscilating circuit and the alternating current in the coil will decrease
smootly.
If you do not create an oscilating circuit and you cut the current at the moment the voltage sinus is on its
maximum, you still will have residential magnetisme.
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12/24/2009 7:38 AM

An AC coil may not remove all magnetism fully. I know, it's happened to me.

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I had used an AC coil to demagnetize some shafts at our shop. I placed them on a skid and put tags on
them featuring a grave stone with the name D. Gaussed upon it.
The next day I am summoned to the office to explain why I didn't demagnetize the shafts.
As it turns out, the AC coil's magnetic field at 1,200 amps and 5 turns, only penetrated so far below the
surface. The core of the part which was still in full magnetic alignment, then remagnetized the remainder of
the shaft. Never mind that there was no apparent field in the part when I was done.
After that, it was step-down AC current or DC alternating polarity step-downs passed through the part.
Never had any problems after that.
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12/24/2009 11:40 AM

Our magnaflux equipment has a reversing decaying DC for exactly this purpose. Using of AC we have
seen rarely demagnetises a properly saturated MPIed shaft (especially the alloy steel ones)

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12/23/2009 11:54 PM

If you can find an old tv shop or a shop that deals in the crt TV. They might have a degaussing tool that
might do the trick. I was used to degauss the screen. Running the loop over and around the lids might
just do the trick for you and should not be that expensive.
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You may try using a TV Degaussing coil. Used for de-magnetizing CRT hardware. It has a push-button mom
contact switch. Move in a circular motion all over magnetized metal. Move slowly away with unit "on" and turn
coil 90 degrees from your circular motion and release power switch.
Stronger the magnetic contamination, more passes and 90 degree turn-offs.
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12/24/2009 5:46 AM

You can also demagnetise by heating the material to above it's Curie point. You don't mention the material
but for steels this is going to be around 760C.
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Nigh,
Heating the material will remove the induced magnetic field but as it cools what will prevent it from taking on
the polarity of the magnetic field of the earth?
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Then they are much less likely to have true poles or field leakage points that are the real cause of
troubles.
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Jerry,
For sure.
They could position the relays so the fields dont bother their function.
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12/26/2009 12:29 AM

We cut our holes with an oxy-acetaline torch. With the right tip size and a circle cutter it's fast and does not
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01/05/2010 10:48 PM

If it was me I would bring the lids to the maint shop arc welder and wrap as much welding cable around it in
a loose coil as physically possible. select Ac and reduce the voltage if possible and the amps as high as
possible. I cannot remember from reference books but Ac magnetic field penetrates about 1/4 as DC. turn on
and move coil slowly back and forth and remove completely from lids slowly. see if there is any response from
a toy compass. check with compass before you start and at what distance the needle will be perpendicular to
actual North/south line.
the coils should move slowly as when the alternating mag field decays slowly the magnetic charge is held in
the direction of the last magnetic direction. if done slowly will slowly reduce residual magnetism.
alignment against N/South geomagnetic lines will take months to reduce even partially. If practical, as
previously stated, banging sharply with a hammer will also reduce residual magnetism. good luck, let us know
how you made out.