Kingdom Key

Forgiveness
Thank you for downloading this K
ingdom Key ebook on forgiveness.
In this book, you will find a transcription of three interviews I did with friends
of mine that are definitely what I would call experts on the subject. They
get results for the Kingdom.
Jay Cookingham - S
trategicFathering.com
Kevin Riordan - S
treetfisherministreis.com
Garry Nesbit - E
vangelist
I transcribed three conversations and it was a much bigger task than I
originally had anticipated.
I edited the conversations quite a bit to save on redundancy, and to make it
less laborious for the reader. I took the liberty to change some of the
grammar and cut out some small sections. I am not an expert on grammar,
so maybe I made it worse! You will probably stumble across a few
mistakes here and there so give me some grace please!
If you would like to hear the actual interviews in audio format you can. I am
providing the links to each interview in the ebook and also the links to
where you can follow each person on social media.

Introduction
Jay Cookingham
Kevin Riordan
Garry Nesbit
SCRIPTURES
THANK YOU

Introduction
Susan and I go about ministering in the parks, piers, flea markets, and
anywhere there are warm bodies! There are a lot of people struggling out
there in the world. People with aches, pains, heartaches, sadness and
poverty. These people are aware that they need help but are not really
sure how to go about getting it. They may not be avid bible readers. If
they do read their bibles, they may not have found some of the K
eys to the
Kingdom that the Word of God has to offer.
These people may know that Jesus is real. They may even know that
Jesus has the solutions to their problems. But that is about as far as it
goes. The uncomfortable situation persists until the K
ingdom Key shows up
and they learn how to use the keys to walk in freedom.
One of the things that we have noticed is that they're harboring resentment
or unforgiveness. This is usually a very big part of the reason that they
are in their undesirable predicament. Whether it be homelessness,
sickness, poverty, or whatever torment they may be experiencing.
We ministered with Garry and Nancy Nesbitt a few times. I observed Garry
minister and people would get healed right after they dealt with a sin issue
in their life. The sin wasnt always unforgiveness but there was a sin
somewhere that was causing a problem in their lives. Garry has an
uncanny way of bringing that sin to the surface during a conversation. It is
almost comical how people will agree with Garry about how they are
sinners and they need to repent. I have seen it a few times and I am
amazed that people will openly talk about their need to repent and get right
with the Lord. The Lord was obviously tugging on their heartstrings.
Garry has a way of establishing rapport with the people before he starts
ministering in the painful areas of sin. I have seen this with Kevin Riordan
as well on some of his Facebook Live videos. They both have a way of
showing sincere interest or love for the person with a genuine desire for the
Lord to heal them or fix their situation. This, in turn, ultimately leads to
salvation.

This reminds me of the passage - Gal 5:6;...... faith which worketh by love.
God loves people. The Jesus in us loves people. This love causes the faith
to work and sets people free.
After witnessing people getting set free a few times it started becoming
more obvious that there was a sin-sickness correlation. Often times it is
the sin of unforgiveness. This sin of unforgiveness blocks the solution that
people are hoping for. The sin of unforgiveness is so destructive that it will
cause people to live on the street. Or it will bring sickness to their body and
other kinds of torment.
Unforgiveness is often rooted in pride, rebellion, and stubbornness. The
bible says that Pride comes before a fall (prov 16:18), rebellion is as
witchcraft and stubbornness is idolatry (1 Samuel 15:23). These are
problems that need to be addressed. .
You may notice some common denominators between all three interviews.
One of them is the parable of the unjust servant in Matthew chapter 18. All
three gentleman talk about how unforgiveness leads to torment.
Jay, Kevin, and Garry all talk about having a spiritual relationship with
God. This is one of the largest messages of my podcast - having a
spiritual relationship with the biblical Jesus.
Jay illustrates how God can talk to us in the heat of an argument and keep
us from doing something that we will regret for the rest of our lives. In the
interview with Jay you will see how he went through a serious battle and his
relationship with the Lord enabled him to come out victorious.
Jay, Kevin, and Garry all discuss how having a relationship with Jesus can
not only set us free, but enable us to minister K
eys to the Kingdom to
others.
These keys and concepts that you are about to learn can help you with
your current situation, or help when you are ministering to others.
John 8:32; And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.

Kingdom Key - Forgiveness

Jay

Cookingham
Strategic Fathering Ministries

This is a transcript of the podcast interview I did with Jay Cookingham from
StrategicFathering.Com.
Jay has an amazing testimony of forgiveness which gives him some real
insight into the problem of forgiveness.
In order to be less of a burden on the reader I have edited this down a bit.
If you want to hear the entire interview in context you can listen to the entire
show HERE.

Conrad: Hey everybody do I have a treat for you today. I have Jay
Cookingham on with me again. I've interviewed him a long time ago. I was
praying about doing a Kingdom Keys ebook on forgiveness. This man was
at the top of the list and I'm so thankful he's getting to share his thoughts

and insights on the problem, the very real big problem of unforgiveness.
How's it going Jay?
Jay: Oh everything's going great. What about you brother?
Conrad: It is a beautiful day today. It's really nice out here. I've got a smile
on my face
Jay: . That's always good.
Conrad: Amen. So you have strategicfathering.com What I want to talk
about today is unforgiveness. What it's like before, dealing with
unforgiveness, and what forgiveness actually is. How do we forgive people
even when we don't want to? Then maybe a testimony about it. What are
your thoughts?
Jay: You and I were talking before we get got on air and we said no
matter where we go this issue seems to come up. The issue of
unforgiveness is really the root cause of many people's issues they have in
their life. To me, unforgiveness is a prison. It's a prison we put ourselves
in. We put ourselves in this prison, we lock the door and then we refuse to
come out because of it. It holds us hostage to the past and it's a poison.
This poison will affect every relationship we have if we don't learn how to
forgive. It will eventually taint every relationship.
You experience that on the street with the homeless. You said that that
was the root cause of many of their issues. I also think so. When we can
help people understand what forgiveness is and the freedom that it brings.
Maybe these people will get this message and then realize that they can
forget the pain in the past by simply forgiving someone. So for me Forgiveness is the key to get a you out of prison.
Conrad: When you say prison - unforgiveness and anger actually is a
prison. It may be a concept, but you will not go certain places because
you're mad at somebody. It actually manipulates your life. As we go out and
minister to the people that are homeless - I keep seeing this most of the
time. They're mad at somebody in their family or someone is mad at them.
That's why I wanted to do this. They were so alienated by unforgiveness
that they live on the streets.

Jay: Yeah yeah. And how awful is that? Because unforgiveness gives
someone power over you. That's basically what it does. It determines
where you go or where we don't go. Who you talk to. Entire families have
been fractured just because one person won't talk to another person.
Because of unforgiveness in their hearts - and that's not the heart of
Father God. Obviously He forgave us and reconciled our hearts back to
Him.
I can see it in my life and my family. My siblings would not forgive my father
even after he had passed away and their life just continuously went
downhill. Every relationship they had fractured and was ruined because
they would not forgive my father. It's a terrible, terrible poison.
Conrad: Amen. I'm going to introduce a couple of scriptures here. One of
them. Is Matthew 18:22 Jesus was talking to Peter. Peter says Lord how
oft shall I forgive my brother if he sins against me? Seven times?
Jesus says. Not seven times but seventy times seven! and then He goes
into the parable. It's too long to read but the parable of the guy that owed a
large debt and he was forgiven by the king. Basically -He says His lord
was wroth with him and delivered him to the tormentors til he should pay
all; Likewise shall my Heavenly Father do also unto you - Peter - He's
talking to the disciples. If you from your hearts forgive not everyone his
brother their trespasses. So basically if you're not forgiving from your heart.
The Bible says you're going to be turned over to tormentors. These people
are tormented. They live outside (meaning the homeless).
Jay: Yeah. That's pretty bad.
Conrad: In the Sermon on the Mount. If you forgive men their trespasses
your heavenly Father wall also forgive you but if you forgive not your
trespasses neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you. So this is a very
real thing and people need to understand that forgiveness is a k
ingdom key.
So what I want to ask you - let's say that we understand that concept.
Then what?
Jay: I love that scripture Matthew 6:14 because the Greek word there actually one of the deeper meanings of it means 'to rescue'. It gives a

picture of throwing a rope to someone who has fallen overboard. And what
I love about that is that when we obey the scripture - we obey God's
mandate to forgive - and it is a commandment. It's not just a suggestion. It's
not just a good idea. It is a commitment to forgive. We offer someone a
chance to be rescued from their own sin. I think that's amazing.
How we walk this out is we obey the example that Jesus Christ walked in
front of us . First of all, He forgave us while we were still sinners. He died
for us. That's amazing. That's the same kind of commitment. that we are
supposed to put forth in the kingdom. Not only do we become free, we
release ourselves from prison and the effects. And we offer a chance for
rescue for someone.
The other meaning of the word to forgive in the Greek means to to
release to send away and the only way to send away something is to let
go of Something. Let go of any hold that sin of unforgiveness might have
on me or someone else. When you can walk that out the way that Jesus
walked it out - there is so much freedom that comes from that - it's
amazing.
Conrad: Would you like to give a forgiveness example?
Jay: Oh absolutely. I lived in the house that I was physically
abused,mentally abused, and sexually abused by my father for seventeen
years. I hated my father. At one point I desperately wanted him dead
because of the pain and suffering I went through. When it came to a head
between me and my father God got a hold of my heart and made me
realize that I was going to be forever walking down a path that I would not
ever recover from. That I would be dead either physically or spiritually for
sure if I did not forgive my father.
The day that I forgave my dad we were on the steps and we were fighting
- arguing. He was following me upstairs to my room calling me every name
in the book. He said something about my mom and I doing something and
you could just fill in the gap what you think that might have been. It was
gross. It was awful. It was vile. That made me the most mad I think I've
ever been in my life. I turned to my father to hit him with everything that I
had - but in the space of that moment - I said this before, I don't know how
fast God can talk but He can talk really, really fast. Between the making of

the fist and me spinning around to hit my father with everything I had - my
fist turned into a pointing finger. I pointed at my father said "You know
what? God loves you and I forgive you"- and that moment my father
quieted down. Mumbling under this breath he left me alone.
I went upstairs to my room and I said Father what just happened?.
He says You obeyed me and you chose to forgive. Now freedom will
come. From that moment on I started to recover from those years of
abuse. It had to start with forgiveness and I had to make a decision. I didn't
feel like forgiving my dad. I didn't want to forgive my dad but I was obedient
to what God asked me to do and that started me on the road to recovery.
That was a beautiful thing.
Conrad: God helped you.
Jay: Oh absolutely!
Conrad: It was God. Something we couldnt do on our own.
Jay: . Absolutely That's the wonderful thing about Father God. He wants
us to be obedient but He doesn't leave us alone in all of this. He is so
passionate about us being free that He helps us by the Holy Spirit to make
these decisions that are for our benefit. I love Father God for that.
Conrad: Amen. You were let out of that prison that you were talking about.
Jay: Absolutely.
You know there were things I had to do. There were years of working this
out. I always think that forgiveness is a process. Just like healing. There
have been times in my life years down the road from then that I had to
forgive my father again. A memory will come up and God will say "OK you
need to forgive him again". So over the years of learning how to forgive
and let go and to release my dad. I got more and more whole. I was
healed. More and more of the 'inner man ' thing. I tell you what forgiveness is a great Kingdom Key. If we can learn how to forgive. We
become the most free people on the planet. It's beautiful.

Conrad: Amen. So it's a process. You were praying first. Then God
stepped in. Then you were like 'Oh my gosh! I don't know how that
happened but it was God'!! Then you maintained the ground that you had
won. Every time a memory came up you confessed repented.... or what
did you do?
Jay: I did both of those things.
Here's the thing about unforgiveness. Sometimes we hold on to it more
than we believe God's word says about the truth. You know what God's
word says and to do the opposite is sin.
Ephesians 4:32 says Be kind to one another tenderhearted forgiving one
another even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you. Even though my
father wasn't a believer that scripture still applies. To be kind to him and be
tender hearted and to forgive him because it gave an opportunity for him to
be rescued from his own sins. Repentance is there working this out and we
are working out our salvation with fear and trembling.
That doesn't mean that you're pretending that these bad things didn't
happen. No. Forgiveness is actually coming to a full awareness of what
happened and then letting go of it and trusting God with the process of
healing. It's not pretending that bad things didn't happen or that people
dont have to to be held accountable. They do. Forgiveness says - Hey
I'm free now and I'm no longer under the control of anybody else except by
the Holy Spirit - and to me that is really freedom
-----------------------------------At the end of the podcast Jay prayed for the listeners. If you would like to
hear the prayer and then entire contents of the show, you can do so here.
In April of 2016 I posted Jays testimony for Jesus which in turn led me to
interview him on forgiveness. If you would like to hear Jays testimony at
length you can listen here
Here are Jays Links so you can follow him:
StrategicFathering.com Jay On Twitter

Jay

on Facebook

Kingdom Key - Forgiveness

Kevin Riordan
Street Fisher Ministries

This is a transcript of the podcast interview I did with Kevin Riordan from
from StreetFisherMInistries.com
Kevin is a Street Evangelist with many amazing testimonies for Jesus.
Often during Kevins time of ministering, people get healed and that leads
to salvation. Kevin has an amazing insight to the problem of unforgiveness
and how it relates to healing.
In order to be less of a burden on the reader I have edited this down a bit.
If you want to hear the entire interview in context you can listen to the entire
show HERE.
Conrad: Welcome everyone. I have a treat for you. I'm getting to interview.
Kevin Riordan from StreetFisherMinistries.com You may already know
him from Facebook live. He goes out and fishes on the street for people.
He prays for people in the name of Jesus and miracles happen. How is it
going Kevin?

Kevin: I'm good Conrad. Its good to be with you again.

Conrad: Amen it's always good. I love watching you on Facebook live. Im
doing a series on forgiveness and I know that you've got the pulse of the
people on the street and you know how big unforgiveness is. So what can
you tell us about unforgiveness and your ministry?
Kevin: Well I have ministered to a lot of people. I go out and I pray for the
sick as a means to evangelize. When God comes and heals them I share
the gospel with them and they get saved.
There have been plenty of people that I've prayed for over the years and
nothing happens. I prayed again and nothing happens. I pray again and
nothing happens and then I ask the Lord What's blocking this healing?
I can't tell you how many times the Lord spoke to my heart and said
unforgiveness. I will then ask them about unforgiveness issues. They tell
me about the people that they need to forgive. They confess forgiveness.
We pray again and the power of God comes and heals the person of the
physical illness. That's not a coincidence. Unforgiveness will block - lt will
kill a person emotionally -but also kill a person physically. That's a big deal.
Conrad: So you're saying that you would pray for a lot of people and they
werent getting healed because they were harboring resentment?
Kevin: That's right.
Conrad: Could you give us a couple of examples?
Kevin: I can give you an example from my own life actually. Back in 2003
out of nowhere I began to have panic and anxiety attacks. I had no idea
what was going on. I sought deliverance. I figured It was the spirit of fear.
So I thought it could have been cast out. So I went through deliverance
ministry and on my ride home I had a panic attack.
I went to the Most anointed man of God that I could find and had him lay
hands on me and pray for me and it didn't fix the issue. So I went to the
second most anointed man of God that I could find and had him pray for
me and it didn't fix the issue. Here I am years later and I am completely

free of panic and anxiety. I can honestly say, Conrad that the thing that
caused my healing to come was forgiveness.
I had a really, really, rough childhood. I had a father who was a
schizophrenic alcoholic. I watched him abuse my mother and treat us
pretty badly. It wasn't until I went back in my own life and i dealt specifically
with the offenses that I had towards my father- I'm talking very specific
things - that the Lord set me free from panic and anxiety.
Doing street ministry, I remember this one woman in particular. She came
walking up the street with a walker. She looked like she was about to fall
any minute. You could see that she was very much in pain. Her gait was
way off. I approached her and I asked her what was wrong. She told me
that she had arthritis. She said that her ex-husband used her as a
punching bag for fifteen years. As a result she had this arthritis. So I
asked her if she would be willing to forgive her husband if that meant that
she could be healed in her body.
She said 'No'. She said "I'll never forgive my husband for what he did to
me". So I begin to explain to her that forgiveness is not a warm feeling that
we feel, but forgiveness is simply a choice that we make. By choosing to
release somebody from an offense, in turn, we get released from the prison
that we've been in from harboring that offense.
I put it to her like that and I said "Would you be willing to choose to forgive
your husband"?
She said "No".
I said "OK how about this? Do you want to want to be able to choose
forgiveness?"
She said "Yes I do. I do want to want to."
I knew right then and there that she was dealing with the spirit of of
unforgiveness. I led her in a prayer and the prayer went something like
this. In the name of Jesus I make a decision of my will to choose to
forgive my EX husband for beating on me and for traumatizing me. Lord, I
ask that you would forgive me for harboring offense.

As she was saying these words I could see her teeth were clinched. She
clenched her teeth. There was something that was trying to keep her from
saying those words. She managed to finally get these words out. I began
to pray for her. This woman began shaking like a leaf. She began to
cough all the stuff up. I was commanding different things to come out of
her. Bitterness, anger, unforgiveness, and resentment. You could just
see all the stuff coming out of her.
When we were done - the look on her face! Her whole countenance
changed as a result of compassion and forgiveness towards her ex
husband. I then prayed for her and the woman walked away completely
pain free. Her walker was folded up over her shoulder. She walked away
like she never had anything wrong with her. It was amazing.
Conrad: I've got like five questions.
Kevin: OK.
Conrad: Now in your situation. You said you went to two anointed people
and that didn't work. Then you found that just going to an anointed person
- that's not it. Unforgiveness is something we've got to deal with ourselves.
Then you started talking to God directly about it. Did you have to name
each and every thing or were you just doing a general prayer of
unforgiveness?
Kevin: Now that's the thing. We pray these general prayers but I think if
we want the deep, deep healing it's good to go back and to identify specific
things. I had done that with my father. When I came to Christ I said "Lord I
forgive my father for everything he ever did to me. I forgive him for every
word he spoke to me that goes against Your word and everything he did
with my mother. " I prayed these umbrella prayers, but it wasn't until I went
back. It really wasnt easy because the Lord began to unearth some things
in my heart that I hadn't wanted to look at . Things that I had buried.
Specific instances.
I remember my father calling me a name and throwing me down on the
ground when I was probably seven years old. It really put a lot of fear in

me. I mean things like that. Very specific things. Lots of times, before we
we know Christ, the sins happen to us and the natural thing for us to do is
to choose to forget about those things and move on. We choose to forget
them and move forward. The problem is when we've been offended,
when we've been hurt like that, we might move on but we take the offense
with us. Over the course of time these things build up on our spirit. They
are damaging to our souls. These things become almost like dysfunctional
filters through which we view life. Enough of this stuff builds up on us and
eventually it's going to squeeze out of us. For me - it came out in the form
of anxiety and panic. So I had to go back and deal with very specific things
and it was really kind of a difficult season in my life. But I praise God for it.
Conrad: What I'm noticing is there's that initial will. We also need to
discuss what exactly forgiveness is. So far, what I'm seeing is our initial
decision to forgive and then the deliverance starts. As we walk day by day
either the devil or the Lord - I don't know which, it could be both, starts
bring it up old memories and then we confess and forgive again. Right? Is
that how it works?
Kevin: That's the way it works. In my case it was the Lord that was
revealing these things.
Conrad: Alright. You start out with the initial will to forgive and then you
maintain the ground that you've won. Every time something comes up new
- you just deal with it.
Kevin: Yeah - that's correct.
Conrad: With the example of the lady - something I find interesting. You
said that as she was confessing the unforgiveness she had to grit her teeth
and it was something spiritual. Maybe there's a demonic stronghold that's
attached to the unwillingness to forgive?
Kevin: Absolutely. Thats not to say that if if you're hurt by somebody and
you're going through something that you're gonna take on a devil. There
are times when things happen to us and and it's fresh and it hurts. We've
got to deal with things in our own hearts. It's a completely different animal
when you've got somebody who has been hurt and makes a willful choice

saying, 'I'm not going to forgive them'! When you take on that mindset,
bitterness begins to set up shop in your heart. You open yourself up.
It's just like the unforgiving servant. In Matthew eighteen at the end of that
text it says that he was handed over to the torturers. When that bitterness
sets up shop - then you're handed over to the torturers and from what I've
seen the torturers is basically the demonic. The end result of
unforgiveness is bitterness and ultimately severe demonic oppression.
Conrad: What about those atrocious, terrible, sins that have been
perpetrated on someone else? God tells us to forgive anyway. Right? How
do you get your head around something just terrible?
Kevin: I think that it all starts at the cross. it all starts with understanding
how sinful we are.
I was just sharing with a Jehovah's `witness today on the subject of just
how sinful we are. When it comes to the commandments - we break the
commandments every single day. We break the commandments multiple
times a day. When we understand how many times we've sinned and we
think about the fact that Christ has forgiven us for all of these sins. God
cleanses us of multiple, multiple sins a day. When it comes right down to it
- God has forgiven us for far more than we could ever forgive one person
for hurting us.
Forgiveness is not necessarily for the other person but forgiveness is for
our own heart. I have an aunt and uncle who lost a child in a car accident
to a drunk driver. My aunt saw this man in prison. She told him that that
she forgives him. That has been crushing for my aunt. My aunt
understood that if healing was going to come, she would have to confront
him and forgive him. Forgiveness is both healing and preventive medicine.
It's never easy.
Conrad: That's an amazing story.
Kevin: Yeah.
Conrad: Kevin, what is forgiveness? What's the process.? How do you
actually forgive somebody?

Kevin: OK. The way I see it is it's kind of like this. Have you ever cut
yourself?
Imagine that you cut your arm. There is dirt in it, it's bloody, and it's
painful .You know that you have to go inside and you've got to do the dirty,
dirty deed of running water over it, putting peroxide in it, and bandaging it
up. You know that when you do that it's going to be extremely painful. You
also know that if you don't do it your arm is going to become infected and
that will lead to something far worse. So, you go to the bathroom and you
run the water over it, you put your peroxide on it and bandage it up. It
hurts like crazy.
Then the next day the pain is still there. It hurts just as bad as it did when it
first happened, but you know that you've got to remove that bandaging
and you've got to clean it out again. You know that it's going to hurt just as
bad as it did yesterday. You do it again and it's very painful. The next day
you do the same thing and it hurts. Then the next day you find you got to
do it again but it hurts a little bit less. The day after , and it hurts a little bit
less . Finally you're at a place where that cut is healed up because you put
that peroxide and ointment on it. There's no infection. You move on and
you're healed.
The same thing applies to forgiveness. Forgiveness is not an easy thing to
do. People will say 'well you know I've forgiven but it keeps coming back. It
keeps coming back. It keeps coming back'
An offense occurs, and it's so important that despite the fact that it's painful
- we don't want to do it! We have to make a decision to forgive. When you
choose to forgive It's like we open ourselves up to the love of God. The
love of God comes in and begins to wash out the wound. Then the next
day or maybe a couple hours later after you've chosen to forgive, those
memories will come back. Again you choose forgiveness. You are
applying the love of God to that wound again. Every time that pain comes
up or that feeling comes back you put it down . You made a decision.
"Nope I have chosen to forgive this person. I don't receive this". As we
continuously apply the Love of God to that offense, over the course of time
the wound becomes healed.

Eventually, you're going to confess forgiveness and you're going to feel it

in your heart as you confess it. That's the process of forgiveness. It's not a
warm gushy feeling but it's simply a decision of our will that we make. We
choose to obey God. God has commanded us to forgive. So in honoring
God we choose to forgive.
Conrad: It's a commandment - not a suggestion. Once you do it you
maintain that ground. You just keep doing it.
Kevin: . That's right. Absolutely.
-----------------------Kevin prayed for the listeners at the end of the interview. If you would like
to hear the prayer you can do so at this link h
ere
Furthermore, Kevin has an amazing ministry of Street Evangelism. Check
it out at the links below.
Here is an interview we did a
bout Street Evangelism
And if that isnt enough here is another one we did in July 2016
Here are Kevin's links
https://streetfisherministries.com/
https://www.facebook.com/kevin.streetfisher

Kingdom Key - Forgiveness

Garry Nesbit
Evangelist

This is an edited transcript of a podcast interview I did with Garry Nesbit. I

have known Garry personally for some time and have seen him minister
first hand. As a matter of fact, Garry is probably the one that started
bringing the unforgiveness - sickness correlation to my attention. When
Garry ministers to people he often runs into the problem of unforgiveness.
Once they deal with the issue of unforgiveness, many times healing takes
place.
I have been present a few times when that has happened.
In order to be less of a burden on the reader I have edited this down a bit.

If you want to hear the entire interview in context you can listen to the entire
show BY DOWNLOADING IT -> HERE.
Conrad: Hey everybody boy do I have a treat for you today. On the horn
with me right now, I have Garry Nesbit from Tunica MS. How's it going
man?
Garry: Doing Great Conrad. Good to talk to you.
Conrad: Well, I'm putting together this ebook. It's a Keys to the Kingdom
series and this particular subject is about forgiveness. As I was praying
about who to interview, I thought about you because when we go out and
pray for people you deal a lot with forgiveness. So what do you know?
Garry: Conrad I am an evangelist, so I go out in the highways and the
hedges. I leave here and go there. Kind of like Jesus. The bible says "He
went about doing good, healing all those were oppressed of the devil for
God was with Him". He also went teaching and preaching and telling
people what God's will was.
I have been praying for people for a long time. I got saved when I was 8 or
9 years old. I was raised up in church. I've been to two bible colleges. I
have got a lot of experience ministering to people and sharing the gospel
with them.
In the last four years, my wife and I stumbled upon a revelation. It is not a
new revelation, but it was just illuminated to our hearts and minds.
Sometimes over the years I would see this, but I couldn't see it clearly.
Then I had another friend of mine, a minister friend, he is probably about 78
years old, who kind of made it clear to me.
He brought the message of deliverance to our hearts and minds - to bring
deliverance to other people. That was a piece of the puzzle that was
missing. I knew that it was God's will to heal. I believe that Jesus died on
the cross for our sins and also for our sicknesses, our diseases and pain.
That is included in the atonement. That provision was made. It is called the
Great Exchange. We exchanged our sins and He gave us His
righteousness. We exchanged with Him our sickness and disease and He
gave us His healing. That is called the Great Exchange.

To get that into people's hearts and minds and to get them to receive that
and to enjoy that, was another thing. Then I realized we would pray for a
lot of people over the years and every once in awhile we would see results.
You can pray with someone to get saved and born again. They have to
accept it by faith. They become a Christian. They appropriate it by faith for
salvation.
When it came to healing, it was a different matter. It seemed like when we
would pray for people for healing we would get scattered results. Then
when I found out about this missing piece of the puzzle and this verse of
scripture in Matthew 18. The parable of the unjust servant who was
forgiven of such a great debt. It kept him out of prison. It kept his wife out
of prison. It kept his children out of prison.
Therefore he was excited til he went home and somebody owed him some
money. He would not release them from their debt. He would not forgive
them as he was forgiven. It made all his servants upset and they went
back and told the main servant. The Master, which is God in that parable,
was upset. God was upset!
If you want to make God mad at you about something! - The bible says
He was very wroth. Wroth meaning He was PO'd! To make it more
simple in modern vernacular. I found out, if you really want to make God
upset with you, hold a grudge against somebody and don't let it go. Hold
an ought. Have an ought against someone and not let it go and see what
happens.
We read at the last part of that parable,the Master told him that He was
going to turn him over to the tormentors and He would take back all the
debt and put him back in jail. Including his wife and children! Everything
was reversed because he would not forgive.
I looked up the word "tormentors" and tormentors means 'mental anguish
and chronic physical pain'. Of course, that is what the tormentors do. You
hear these stories about people that are POW's in war camps in Vietnam
and world war 1 and world war 2. It wasn't like staying at the Hilton. What

they called the Hanoi Hilton in Viet Nam, they were joking about it. It was a
hell hole. It was horrible.
Then the last verse of that scripture, Jesus says, "This is what my heavenly
Father will do to you, if you do not forgive those that has trespassed
against...
Conrad: ...Every one of his trespasses. This all starts in Matthew 18:21
through 18:35.
Garry: Right. It says in verse 35 "So likewise" "So likewise". I mean it is
pretty plain. So in the same manner shall my heavenly Father do unto you
if you from your heart forgive not every one his brother their trespasses.
People say "God is good all the time. All the time God is good." Well,
there is a little asterisk, or a little fine print down below that. In other
words, If you're walking in the love of God. But if you are holding ought
against people and you are not forgiving people I can guarantee you that
God will send the tormentors to you. He will send the demons. The
demonic spirits. They know how to hurt, kill, and destroy.
So here we are. We are out here preaching to people. Christians who
know Jesus. They say they know Jesus. They have been to church for
years. They shout howdy doody up and down the aisle. They raise their
hands. They sing. They praise the Lord. But if you get around them
sometimes and hear them talking, before you know it, something is going to
come out. They are going to let the cat out of the bag. If there is
bitterness or unforgiveness and you talk to them very long - that is going to
come up in the conversation.
Conrad: - I have noticed that. Sometimes you gotta keep asking though.
They try to hide it.
Garry: Right.
Well in the beginning when we are talking to them - everybody wants to get
healed of their suffering. Or if they have mental anguish, arthritis, gout, hair
falling out, deafness, blindness, or you name it. Skin disease. Pimples.
Zits! Teeth falling out. It don't make no difference. When you see that

stuff going on in the body and in the mind of a child of the living God, the
curse is at work in their life. The bible says the curse causeless does not
come. When smokes comes out of a roof of a house, it isn't coming forth
because there is no fire. There is a fire there. So wherever there is smoke
there's fire.
I have made some people mad at me. I have some people that won't talk
to me right now. They don't want to be my friend anymore. They do not
want to repent of their sins. They like their sin. They feel comfortable in
hating this person.
There was a situation where a woman who was married and her ex
husband killed their son. He shook the little boy to death. He shook him.
He killed him. The first time they thought he was having a seizure, but
nobody was around when he did it. Then the mother went to walmart to get
something and she came back home and he was holding the little boy and
he was dead. When the EMT came to get him and take him to the hospital
they thought maybe he was having a seizure again. There was something
else they thought was happening. Something with his spine or something.
An infection. They were just guessing. They were trying to guess what
was going on with him. Then the paramedic noticed that the little boy had a
broken collar bone. Then they found out what had happened. The daddy
had gone into some kind of a fit when the boy was crying. Obviously, he
shook him to death. It caused brain damage and he died.
That is a horrible situation. It is not like somebody cut you off in traffic on
the way to school this morning. It was a horrible situation.
I was talking to the mother and then I got to talking to the grandparents.
They had a lot of physical problems in their bodies. The grandmother did.
I was talking to her about unforgiveness and this came up. She said "Well,
my son in law is in prison right now". Something happened and they let
him out. That made her even more mad. They indicted him but he never
got convicted. It was a big long drawn out deal.
I told her that "you are going to have to let that go. I know that is horrible
and everything, but there is nothing that anybody can do to us according to
the scriptures that gives us permission from God in heaven according to
the Word of God to hate them. If we are a believer, because we have been

forgiven of such a great debt. There is nothing that anybody can do to us

that gives us permission to let that go on in our lives. So we gotta let it go
Basically, she said hell will freeze over before she forgives him.
I told her " Mam, there is nothing I can do for you. I can't help you." Come
to find out, the grandmother and the grandfather who was a deacon of the
church, a fine upstanding citizen in the community - all of them were
suffering. They got out of the church. They got away from God and
basically, the tormentors had come.
Some people say " I just can't understand that. They have every right to
hate that boy". But according to scriptures - no they don't have a right.
They might be tempted to hate him. One part of the Lord's prayer is "Lord
forgive me of my trespasses as I forgive others". So in other words,
forgiveness is not going to be there if we do not forgive after we have been
forgiven.
In Mark 11:24 He says "What things soever you desire when you pray,
believe that you receive them and you shall have them". And I've heard
preachers preach on that and I've preached on that many, many times. We
are learning how to get something from God through faith. But then in
Mark 11:26 says "But when you stand praying, forgive, if you have ought
against any so that your heavenly Father may forgive you of your
trespasses, but if you do not forgive, neither will your heavenly Father
forgive you". That is one of the reasons why many children of God don't
get prayers answered. They don't get help from heaven. They are coming
to God to pray about something and they are not forgiving so they are at a
stand still. It isn't going to work.
Then another verse of scripture says that faith works by love. Faith works
by forgiveness. So when I am praying for people, out here on the street..
I fix windshields. I meet people all day long. in their homes. In the parking
lots. You have been with me. We have been out together talking to
people. I ask them if they need prayer for something. "Oh yeah, I got back
pain. Oh my back is hurting." Or " My knee is hurting". This or that.
I say "OK, well let me say this... before we pray. Do you have any kind of
unforgiveness against anybody. Are you mad at anybody? Do you have a
grudge? Are you holding a grudge? " I already know what the answer is

going to be. I already know what it is. Because again, without the fire there
is no smoke. It is there.
Sometimes they say "I don't know - I love everybody".
I say " Well there's a reason why there is pain in your body like this. and
you are suffering".
I get to asking some more questions. Sometimes I say "Let's just pray and
let the Holy Spirit highlight to your mind before we pray for your healing if
there is anything that you have against someone. "
100% of the time if there is something there they will say "Oh! I forgot all
about that!".
Conrad: James 1:5 in action. 'If any of you lack wisdom let him ask of
God who giveth to all men liberally and upbraideth not". I have seen it with
you at the bus station.
People will say "No I don't know" and then their face will light up as the
Lord shows them!
Garry: Yeah.The Holy Spirit is not going to hide it from us, because He is
the one that transmits that healing power. The Holy Spirit is the one that
generates the gifts of the spirit or that anointing that breaks every yoke. He
is helping us get to that point where we are enjoying or experiencing what
Jesus did at the cross. At that Great Exchange.
Some people say, "Will you just pray?" That is the reason a lot of folks say,
when they don't see something happen they say "well it must not have
been God's will".
What they need to do is go and look at themselves in the mirror and say
"Stupid, stupid, stupid! I am the one that is the problem. Not God!"
I had to do that myself. I said "Lord forgive me"
Conrad: So you are saying if we walk in forgiveness then we can walk in
divine health?

Garry: Absolutely. That doesn't mean the devil isn't going to try to tempt
you with pain in your body. There is a difference between being tempted
with pain and accepting it and having unforgiveness. That thing has a hook
in you and you are suffering with it.
It is just like thoughts that come to the mind. You cannot keep thoughts
coming from the mind - The devil will try to suggest things to you.
Thoughts of lust. thoughts of jealousy. Impressions of fear. Those are
demons and evil spirits poking at you in your mind. Trying to get into you. If
you don't know to cast down all these imaginations and thoughts that exalt
themselves against the knowledge of God what you are going to do is open
your mouth and say "Wow. I am fearful of that. "
I had a car wreck several years ago because of a sin. God was punishing
me. That freaks some people out. They just can't understand that. But is is
in the bible. If you sin and persist in it. Now God doesn't always deal with it
according our sin - Psalm 103 talks about that. He isn't giving you a pass
on sin. It is just he is not pulling out the belt yet. He is waiting on you. He
is not willing that any should suffer.
Conrad: Hebrews 12:5. "My son, despise not thou the chastening of the
Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he
chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth. If ye endure
chastening, God dealeth with you as with sons; for what son is he whom
the father chasteneth not"? Go ahead...
Garry: God is not going to punish us or bring correction in our lives if we
are walking holy and pure. The bible talks about walking with the lord with
a pure heart and clean hands following Him. Titus chapter 2 verse 11-14
says "The grace of God, which hath appeared to all men teaches us to
deny ungodliness and worldly lusts and to walk soberly, righteously, and
Godly in this present world" That is the goal that we should walk toward.
I'm not perfect and neither are you nor anybody else that is listening to this
conversation. There is a difference between someone who is walking that
narrow path and wanting to do what is right and someone who is like a dog
that goes back to the vomit. Or like the pig that was washed clean and he

goes right back into the mud. There is a difference. If you are in the latter
part where you walk back to the vomit or a pig going back to the mud.
A pig is a good illustration. A pig that has been cleaned and goes back to
the mudhole, that is when the judgement of God comes. If I was God I
would have already punished some people because they are so hard
headed.
I had a friend of mine laughing at me because of some of the sins he was
committing and some of the things he did when he was growing up. He
claimed that God still loved him. Yes, God still loves him but, the guy was
going through a lot of suffering and a lot of pain was in his body and he was
broke all the time. He didn't have a job. That is not the suffering that I was
talking about. I didn't want him to be cut off.
God can only take so much. The reason why he pulled the belt out, so to
speak, and does what He has to do to get our attention, He is trying to keep
us out of hell. He is trying to get us to turn around and start following Him
with our whole heart. Get into the Word of God and follow Him. Then the
Holy Spirit helps us in a great and powerful way. If people get into holding
grudges and not thinking anything about it, then swearing up and down
they have a right to hate somebody and they go to church every Sunday they are setting themselves up for a fall. It is going to happen.
Whenever we don't forgive somebody, all we are doing is saying that we
are bigger than God. God has forgiven everybody. He has forgiven
everybody. When we turned to Him he has forgiven us of all of our sins. If
we do not forgive, that is telling God we are bigger than He is. We are
greater than He is and that is pride. Pride goes before a fall.
Conrad: This is not a popular teaching, but it is in the scriptures. If you
don't forgive neither will your Heavenly Father forgive you. If you are
standing there, and you know your brother has ought against you, don't
even leave your gift at the alter. There are so many things about
forgiveness that are in the bible but it is not really taught because it is not
popular.
Garry: I have been in churches all my life and I have been around pastors
and I have figured some things out. I have insight on some things. I don't

know everything, but I have learned some things and I am still learning.
This is one thing that I have learned.
In this Laodicean church age that we are living in, most Christians think that
they are rich and they have need of nothing. Everything is cool. When
really they are naked, miserable, and wretched. It says that in Revelation.
They have need of eye salve so they can see. He said "Buy of me gold
tried in fire". What is happening in this church age is that pastors of
churches and most preachers - and I am one of them myself and I have
had to repent - in this particular sin, and that is the sin of being afraid of the
people.
The prophets in the old testament and in the new testament , they talked
about sin. They talked about repenting of sin and turning to God.
Whenever we talk about people's sins of unforgiveness or just sin in
general - we are talking to the children of God and they are sinning - they
will start picking up the stones and start throwing them at us. Hurting you.
Lashing out against you. Or they will say "I don't want to go to this church.
This guy- He's hitting home where I am living right now". He is trying to be
a watchman on the wall to help you. If they don't' want to hear what he
has to say they go to the next church where they tickle the ears a little
better than this one does. That is just the way it goes.
The pastors are afraid to preach the truth totally because the offerings will
stop. The tithes will stop. Then that man of God becomes a hireling. He
becomes a wolf in sheep's clothing. He becomes a false teacher of false
brethren. He is going to be one of those that says "Lord didn't we cast out
demons in Your Name? Didn't we heal the sick in Your Name?"
The Lord said "Depart from Me - I don't even know you! You didn't even
know Me! You workers of iniquity."
A worker of iniquity can be broken in several different facets. As children
of God being Christ's ambassadors, we become workers of iniquity if we
don't tell people the whole truth. Because we are afraid they are going to
leave our church or stop giving an offering. Who are we working for? Are
we working for the master? Are we following the Shepherd? Or are we
afraid of the people?

I have a feeling that, a lot of the preachers today are afraid of the people
and they don't fear God. That is why the bible says there is going to be a
great falling away. People are saying "You said Jesus heals but we are all
sick!".
There is a reason that you are sick, it is because you are not repenting of
your sins. You are not walking holy and pure before God. Lots of people
like to go to a church where they can sing the worship songs, praise the
Lord, have the light show, and everybody feels good. Then they turn right
around and go sleep with their girlfriend at their apartment fornicating.Then they go to church that night and not feel bad about it. That
is what happens in the church world.
We will go back to unforgiveness. They don't have any kind of conviction
against holding grudges. The bible says that if you hold grudges or
unforgiveness - God Himself, according to Matthew 18 will send the
tormentors. He's in charge of all the power in heaven, the earth, and below
the earth. They are all subject to Him. So they line up. They are lining up.
A lot of them don't have to line up. A lot of them are busy.
Conrad: I've seen you counsel people as we are talking to people.
Sometimes you don't even have to pray the prayer for them to be healed.
All they have to do is confess and repent. Sometimes they get healed
without even you saying "be healed". They just get healed right then and
there.
Garry: Yeah. The Lord is wanting to heal them. But He can't violate His
own Word. His own covenant.
There is one lady that we prayed for that had a rotator cuff problem. The
doctor had put a screw in there. She had a metal screw in her shoulder.
She could only get 2 or 3 hours of sleep at night because of it. Then we
found out - of course, I asked her "Now before we pray. If you are a
Christian. I have to ask you this, because the Lord says, when you stand
praying forgive if you have ought against any. So in order for us to follow
through and have success, let me ask you this. Do you have any
unforgiveness against anybody? Are you mad at anybody?'".

Immediately she said . "Oh yeah. I haven't' talked to my pastor in a long

time because he did something. He hurt my feelings about something. I
have some unforgiveness."
I said "You are going to have to let it go". She understood. I went through
Matthew 18.
She said "Lord I forgive my pastor for what he said to me. " People can
have unforgiveness against somebody real or imagined. The devil can
orchestrate things that the people's minds will make them think certain
things about somebody. When really there is no problem at all. The devil
is lying to them. Then they develop a root of bitterness over something that
is imagined. It doesn't have to be real. She forgave right then. When the
words came out of her mouth "I forgive him for what he said to me" She
heard the screw pop in her shoulder.
I prayed and said "Lord I ask you to turn that screw back into flesh, so that
it won't irritate her, that it would be normal and her arm would be restored".
I normally don't pray that, but I prayed that for her that day. I had boldness
that day. The Lord had dropped it in my heart to pray that. To turn that
screw back to flesh in Jesus Holy Name. Before I finished the prayer it
popped. Her friend next to her - she heard it pop too. She started bawling
and squalling. It was powerful. She was healed.
Four weeks later, I saw her at a church picnic and I asked her about it. She
said it is still healed. She said "I tried to get it to hurt. I move it. I shake it. I
do everything I can and the pain is completely gone". We get results. That
is the good side of it. God is keeping His covenant with His children.
He said "Your joy will be made full. I am bringing healing to you because
you are walking like your Heavenly Father". If we as God's children,
ambassadors of Christ, will begin to minister like that and flow like that,
then we will see a lot more results.
Conrad: Speaking of results. You went for a long time and you would see
a result here and there. Now there is a lot more. This is consistent or I
wouldn't' be interviewing you. This is the reason I have Garry on here. We
have been seeing this work!

He get's people to say " You know, that is right! "

Jesus says "You shall know the truth and the truth will make you free"
Once they understand the principle of unforgiveness, and that could be the
root of their problem. They will go OK, I understand that. Jesus gives
them the key. The key is forgiveness. Then they are free! This happens
consistently.
Garry: Yes. I used to write down on a ledger pad the person's name, and
what they got healed from. We filled up five pages and then we stopped
doing it, because there was so many. Most people have joint problems.
Arthritis. Discs.
We prayed for a lady in Greenville MS a week ago. She is almost 78 years
old, and every one of her discs in her back from her neck down to her waist
was inflamed. She was gingerly walking around. She couldn't walk and
move around much. She was in a lot of pain. I asked her if she had any
unforgiveness. She looked at me and she nodded her head. I said. "OK
let's forgive this person and then we will pray the prayer of faith for you. "
We anointed her with oil. She was instantaneously totally set free. That
evil spirit. That demon that was sent to torment her had no legal right. He
had no legal right! We sent him packing. We gave him his eviction notice.
Jesus said " these signs shall follow them that believe. In My Name, they
shall cast out demons" and it worked just exactly as Jesus said it would
work.
In my situation. I had a car wreck about three years go and I messed my
leg up. God told me what my sin was. It was gossip and pride. I am 61
years old and for some reason or another, I let gossip and pride come in
my life in such a way that I couldn't recognize it.
The Lord finally said "I am going to have to get his attention! - I have
already been talking to Him about it. I had my shoulder healed of a rotator
cuff problem about six months prior to the wreck.
Everybody is thinking "You must have had a lot of stuff going on with you.
You sinner you!".

I say Yeah. I agree with you. I work on it every day - to keep from sinning,
and denying ungodliness and worldly lusts. To live soberly, righteously,
and godly in this present world" - that is what the bible teaches us. Pursue
holiness. Without it no man shall see God. The narrow path is difficult.
Jesus said it was going to be difficult. you might as well get ready for it.
The fruit of it is wonderful. Health and healing.
Back to my leg. When I had that wreck. I said " OK Lord. I am ready. I
repent of my sins. You told me what my sin was. I really want to be set
free. I can't walk lord. I can't even bend my knee! It is all swollen up! "
The Lord told me "You are not going to get it the way you got it with your
shoulder". With my shoulder it was instant. I like INSTANT! But the Lord
said " You are going to get it the old fashioned way. I am going to set you
down. "
The Lord hobbled me without killing me. He hobbled me. He slowed me
down, because there were some things He wanted to work on me. For
about nine months I couldn't walk normally.
People said I would always have a limp. I said " don't want to be like
Festus on Gunsmoke!. I am going to walk normal one day." God was doing
with me what He said He was going to do. He was cleaning me up. He
was punishing me. I was under the correction and the punishment of God
and it was the best thing that ever happened to me. During that time, when
I was laid out on my back, and I could not walk, all I could do is pray and
cry and ask God to forgive me and cleanse me. That is what He did. I am
better off. I am better off for it.
It is a powerful thing that happened. Now as an evangelist when I go out
and meet people we see a lot of wonderful things happen. I have seen
things that I have never seen before. My faith is strong. I know God. If
somebody tried to talk me out of healing or tell me that has passed away
wit the last apostle when he drew his last breath. I would say "You got to
me too late, because I am a firm believer in it!I have tasted of the Lord and
have seen that He is good.

Conrad: I am going to put your facebook link inside the show notes and
also inside the ebook. Garry every once in awhile, will get the people to
give their testimony on camera so you can see that. It is pretty awesome.
Garry: People think "He is just saying that to try and make himself look
good". I heard people report of certain things, and I never really saw it with
my own eyes. I started taking videos of it. People testifying right after they
are prayed for.
Conrad: Tell me about that lady in the liquor store parking lot. That is a fun
one.
Garry: That kind of shocked me! I was working all day. It was like 4 or 5
o'clock in the afternoon. I had one more stop to make. I went to a liquor
store. The biggest wine shop in Greenville MS. There is a man there that
owns it. He has been my customer for years. Every time I am in town, I
pop in and ask him how his windshields are doing.
He said "Man, I have three dings on my windshield out there, and I want
you to fix it for me". I am out there working on the windshield. These two
girls drive up beside his truck while I am working on it. They go inside the
liquor store and they come back out. Theyve got armloads of Jack
Daniels, vodka, and wine. They are going to get their drink on that night.
They asked "What are you doing?". I said, I am fixing windshields. I fix
rock pecks on the windshields".
The girl that drove said "Hey I want you to look at mine. I got a ding on my
windshield".
I told them how much it was to pay to get it done. They didn't have any
more money because they had spent it all in the liquor store. Before I
walked away from them I said "Do yall know Jesus? "
They said "Yeah, we know Jesus".
One of them said "I sing in the choir at church". In Mississippi. everybody
that you ask if they know Jesus - they Know Jesus! The issue is does
Jesus know them?

I wasn't going to argue with them about that. I didn't have time, because I
was trying to finish up this man's truck. I didn't know what was going to
transpire. God had set me up for something to happen that He was going to
let me see. He was going to let my eyes see something that had never
seen before. To bless everybody in that parking lot.
So I told her." I am going to finish this windshield I am going to get my oil, I
am going to come over here and I am going anoint you with oil according to
James chapter 5 verse 14"
Conrad: Wait a minute! You didn't tell us what was wrong with her!
Garry: I left something out. Yeah! I asked them if they needed prayer for
anything and the girl on the passenger side said "Yes, Im in pain, Im
suffering. My body is on fire. On the left side of my body, my arm, my side,
and my leg all the way down to my feet. It is on fire. I've had a stroke. I
cant feel anything! I can't feel hot or cold. My leg is paralyzed. "
She was dragging her foot. I asked her to hold my hand and squeeze it.
She said "I can't. I can't feel your hand. I can't feel nothing! It is on fire. The
nerves are burning. "
I guess she was doing all that drinking to self medicate from the pain. I told
her " I believe in the anointing of oil and the praying according to James
chapter 5 verse 14. " I said "Mam, do you believe that?"
She said "Yeah, yeah, I do. I need help. I am on fire. I am hurting right
now". She was hungry. She was suffering. She was being tormented.
When I came around to her side of the truck she had the door open and her
feet were out on the ground. She was sitting on the passenger side. I said,
"We want to do this before we pray. Do you have any unforgiveness
against anybody?
She immediately said "I hate my ex boyfriend. I hate him! I want to kill him
every time I see him!" Without me even asking what was going on she
offered the information. She said "We were living together. "

There they are sleeping together. She said she was a believer. Red flags.
She was sinning. She had already opened the door. She said "We have
been living together for about a year and a half. We are not married. I
found out after the fact that he was HIV positive and he didn't tell me!".
I said "It is no wonder you hate him!".
People would say, I almost can't blame you for hating him".
I said to Tammy. That was her name, Tammy. I said, "Tammy the
scriptures say that we must forgive". I asked her "Are you willing to forgive
and let it go and obey the Lord? Because there is a demon in there honey
and the only way you are going to get free from this is to let this go."
I could have prayed for her before. Years ago. I would have said "I will
pray for you. Let's pray in Jesus Name" and most likely nothing would
have happened. Maybe God would have healed her. I don't know. But I
want to get results every time.
She said "Yes, I am willing to forgive him" So she prayed the prayer for
forgiveness.
When she said "I forgive this man for what he has done to me" She started
screaming and hollering. She started crying. The water sprinklers came
on. All of a sudden her feet and her legs began to flail out in front of her.
She began to move her arms and legs while she was sitting down. I had
to jump back. I didn' know what was going to happen. I didn't know what
she was doing.
I'm sure God in heaven was looking and said "I'm going to show him
something he's never seen before" (laughing).
God likes to let us have fun doing this! All of the sudden she stood up and
raised both fists in the air. Her sister is on one side and a friend on the
other side texting on the phone. They didn't really know what was going on
either. There was these three guys in the back of the pick up truck. They
were wanting a ride downtown. It was an unusual experience. We were out
there on the main highway there in Greenville and all this is going on.

When she stood up and had both fists in the air, something was talking out
of her. It screamed out and said "Fight me. Fight me now! Try to fight me
now!"
I looked at her sister and I said "What is she saying that for? I am trying to
help her!"
Then it dawned on me later that it wasn't Tammy talking. It was the demon
who I had told to come out after she forgave her ex boyfriend for what he
did to her. He was trying to scare me. The evil spirit was trying to
intimidate me. I stood my ground.
She plopped down into the seat. Then she started screaming and hollering
"I am healed! I am healed! The pain is gone!" She was totally delivered.
She started running all over that parking lot screaming and hollering. She
got out almost into the road. I thought she was going to get run over by a
car because she was screaming at the people driving in their cars and
telling them how good God is. "God is good! Praise the Lord!" She was just
like the man in the bible that went walking and leaping and praising God.
I told them I said "Go get her and bring her back over here because I don't
know if I can raise her from the dead if she gets hit by a car!" (laughing) It
was wild. Immediately I thought "Get your phone and get her to testify". I
have it on my facebook page. (Here is the link to the video).
Conrad: I will put the link in the show notes.
Garry: It was powerful. Since then there have been dozens of things
similar to that. Not a stroke victim. That is the first time someone with a
stroke that I have ever seen instantly healed like that. We have seen
people, many people, that were crippled walk.
One lady had a speech impediment. The demon came out of her and her
voice became normal. She had not spoken normal without stuttering since
she was born. I was praying for somebody else and the spirit of God got
on her and healed her while I was praying for somebody else!

That particular woman who got healed - I asked her if she knew Jesus.
She said "Oh my grandmother has been telling me about Jesus all of my
life."
I said, "Well? Are you saved?"
She said "No"
I said "Do you want to get saved right now after you have seen what God
has done for you and your grandmother? "
She said " I do". and we prayed the sinner's prayer. She got saved right
there in the Walmart parking lot in Horn Lake Mississippi.
That is another thing. As we minister the gospel, you can try to
psychoanalyze people and show them all kind of scriptures, and there is
nothing wrong with that. But there is a part of healing and deliverance that
most Christians don't walk in that we can use as a way to bring salvation.
That is what Jesus did. That is what the disciples did. They got their
attention.
When the blind eyes open, and the crippled walk, the dead are raised, the
lepers are healed, you have got their ear. You can talk to them because
they actually see Yahweh. They actually see our Heavenly Father loving
on them. Then they want Him! I am about to preach myself happy!
Conrad: For the listeners, you can see that unforgiveness and sin, sin and
sickness - unforgiveness is all related. God wants to heal you. There are
scriptures in there that prove this point. You don't hear this preached much
at all, but you gotta read your bibles and the K
ingdom Keys are in there.
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Garry prayed for the listeners at the end of the podcast. If you would like
to hear the prayer and then entire contents of the show, you can do so
here.
I interviewed Garry another time about the Sin/Sickness correlation in a
Huddle House in Senatobia MS. You can watch the v ideo here:
Also, Garry has other amazing testimonies. I had another interview with
him about Gods supernatural provision. Here it is:
Here is Garry on FACEBOOK

SCRIPTURES
Following are the scriptures referenced in this ebook. I did this so you dont
have to jump back and forth so much. Let these sink in. There are some
Kingdom Keys in here!
Gal 5:6 For in Jesus Christ neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor
uncircumcision; but faith which worketh by love. KJV
Prov 16:18 Pride [goeth] before destruction, and an haughty spirit before a
fall. KJV
1Sam 15:23 For rebellion [is as] the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness [is
as] iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the LORD,
he hath also rejected thee from [being] king. KJV
John 8:32 And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.
KJV
Matt 18:22 Jesus saith unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but,
Until seventy times seven. KJV
Eph 4:32 And be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving one
another, even as God for Christ's sake hath forgiven you. KJV
Matt 18:21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my
brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? KJV
Mark 11:24 Therefore I say unto you, What things soever ye desire, when
ye pray, believe that ye receive [them], and ye shall have [them]. KJV
Mark 11:26 But if ye do not forgive, neither will your Father which is in
heaven forgive your trespasses. KJV

Jas 1:5 If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all
[men] liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him. KJV
Ps 103:1-22 1 [A Psalm] of David. Bless the LORD, O my soul: and all that
is within me, [bless] his holy name. 2 Bless the LORD, O my soul, and
forget not all his benefits: 3 Who forgiveth all thine iniquities; who healeth
all thy diseases; 4 Who redeemeth thy life from destruction; who crowneth
thee with lovingkindness and tender mercies; 5 Who satisfieth thy mouth
with good [things; so that] thy youth is renewed like the eagle's. 6 The
LORD executeth righteousness and judgment for all that are oppressed. 7
He made known his ways unto Moses, his acts unto the children of Israel. 8
The LORD [is] merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and plenteous in
mercy. 9 He will not always chide: neither will he keep [his anger] for ever.
10 He hath not dealt with us after our sins; nor rewarded us according to
our iniquities. 11 For as the heaven is high above the earth, [so] great is his
mercy toward them that fear him. 12 As far as the east is from the west,
[so] far hath he removed our transgressions from us. 13 Like as a father
pitieth [his] children, [so] the LORD pitieth them that fear him. 14 For he
knoweth our frame; he remembereth that we [are] dust. 15 [As for] man, his
days [are] as grass: as a flower of the field, so he flourisheth. 16 For the
wind passeth over it, and it is gone; and the place thereof shall know it no
more. 17 But the mercy of the LORD [is] from everlasting to everlasting
upon them that fear him, and his righteousness unto children's children; 18
To such as keep his covenant, and to those that remember his
commandments to do them. 19 The LORD hath prepared his throne in the
heavens; and his kingdom ruleth over all. 20 Bless the LORD, ye his
angels, that excel in strength, that do his commandments, hearkening unto
the voice of his word. 21 Bless ye the LORD, all [ye] his hosts; [ye]
ministers of his, that do his pleasure. 22 Bless the LORD, all his works in all
places of his dominion: bless the LORD, O my soul. KJV
Matt 6:14-15 14 For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly
Father will also forgive you: 15 But if ye forgive not men their trespasses,
neither will your Father forgive your trespasses. KJV
Matt 18:21-35 21 Then came Peter to him, and said, Lord, how oft shall my
brother sin against me, and I forgive him? till seven times? 22 Jesus saith
unto him, I say not unto thee, Until seven times: but, Until seventy times
seven. 23 Therefore is the kingdom of heaven likened unto a certain king,

which would take account of his servants. 24 And when he had begun to
reckon, one was brought unto him, which owed him ten thousand talents.
25 But forasmuch as he had not to pay, his lord commanded him to be
sold, and his wife, and children, and all that he had, and payment to be
made. 26 The servant therefore fell down, and worshipped him, saying,
Lord, have patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 27 Then the lord of that
servant was moved with compassion, and loosed him, and forgave him the
debt. 28 But the same servant went out, and found one of his
fellowservants, which owed him an hundred pence: and he laid hands on
him, and took [him] by the throat, saying, Pay me that thou owest. 29 And
his fellowservant fell down at his feet, and besought him, saying, Have
patience with me, and I will pay thee all. 30 And he would not: but went and
cast him into prison, till he should pay the debt. 31 So when his
fellowservants saw what was done, they were very sorry, and came and
told unto their lord all that was done. 32 Then his lord, after that he had
called him, said unto him, O thou wicked servant, I forgave thee all that
debt, because thou desiredst me: 33 Shouldest not thou also have had
compassion on thy fellowservant, even as I had pity on thee? 34 And his
lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors, till he should pay all
that was due unto him. 35 So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also
unto you, if ye from your hearts forgive not every one his brother their
trespasses. KJV

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