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Power over Ethernet or PoE, is the technology used for power transmission in
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network equipment, via network UTP cable, together with data. PoE is useful in
situations when we want to connect network devices that are far away from a
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power source. In this situation we take advantage of the Ethernet cable,
because there are 4 pairs of wires, but for the majority of networks, only 2 pairs
are used for data transmission. PoE uses 2 unused twisted pairs, for electrical
transmission needed to power the device. (/id/3D-Printed-DNA-
There are several architectures of PoE and many of them existed before the
technology being standardized, due this fact not all types of PoE are compatible.
PoE devices receive power directly from the network cable, but should be noted
that according the manufacturers, specs like nominal values of voltage and Lamp/) (/id/eLab-
current, and even pairs used to transport electrical energy may be different.
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Applying a voltage across terminals not dimensioned for that, may damage the
network device. To avoid this, the best way is to make a PoE adapter,
separating the two input signals, via two simple circuits, an injector and a
splitter. The injector will feed the network cable with power and this circuit is
placed near the origin of the installation, where we have a modem or a switch,
and of course a power plug. Then we have as outputs of the Ethernet cable,
data and power that will connect to the device. Now we connect the splitter
circuit, which receives data and power. From this circuit leaves an Ethernet
cable and a DC plug avoiding applying unknown voltages to the devices.
As example consider the eLab case, which have a switch on the back of the
room and we want to feed a 12V wireless router which is at the opposite end of
the room, to obtain greater coverage by departmental area, in a place near a
windows without power sources nearby. The network diagram is the one above.
Step 2: Material
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In this project we used only recycled components, from old devices, so we had a
total cost of 0.
Step 3: Connectors
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In our case, we used old phone connector boxes as shown in the following
image.
We replaced the RJ11 connectors by RJ45. Starting from two plastic boxes, it is
necessary to open a hole to fit the RJ45 connectors and secure them with hot
glue. In one of the boxes its also necessary to make an opening to DC female
connector, for power input, this box will be the injector.
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Now to understand the connection, we must understand how data flows through
an Ethernet cable.
For 10 and 100Mbps network we have the previous table of the configuration in
the twisted pairs.
As seen in the table, pins 4, 5, 7 and 8 are not used, so lets use them as
positive and negative terminals for power. We use pins 4 and 5 (blue and
blue/white) as positive and pins 7 and 8 (brown/white and brown) as negative.
Step 5: Schematic
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We cut the Ethernet cable to obtain two ends with 15 cm long. This also can be
made with UTP cable crimping the RJ45 connectors.
One of the tips will be the injector connection to the Switch and the other will
connect the splitter circuit to the Wireless Router.
In these two tips, pairs blue and blue/white and brown and brown/white are cut
and left open. In no situation they should be connected DC power at the risk of
damaging the Switch or Wireless Router, so make sure they are left opened!
The 2 remaining pairs are normally plugged to the female RJ45 connector in the
correct pins. The power supply comes from the female DC plug and will connect
in the place of the pairs that were left opened. The positive will connect in pins 4
and 5, and the negative in the pins 7 and 8 of the female RJ45 connector. In the
splitter circuit, the same will happen, being the male DC plug the only difference.
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In the first image you can see the tip of the cable that will come from the switch
and the DC input connecting to the RJ45 plug. If you look closely you can notice
that the RJ45 connector is a little melted, this is because the material is reused
from old electronic devices, the same goes for the perfurated PCB. There are
however connectors with mechanical contacts that dont require any soldering.
In the second image you can see the RJ45 connector that will receive the PoE
signal, where then the data will be separated from the power supply. The data
will be sent through that tip of Ethernet cable, which will connect to the Wireless
Router. The power supply is sent through another cable and will connect the DC
plug to power the Router, however its not visible in this image for it is behind the
Ethernet cable.
Before trying it, we tested the conductivity of each pin, for that we connected the
injector and the splitter with an Ethernet cable and then checked if pins 1, 2, 3
and 6 had continuity, from the injector to the splitter, and the same with the DC
connectors. We also tested if pins 4, 5, 7 and 8 didnt have continuity, once they
are cut in the adapters and left opened in each side. Finally we also tested
were no short circuits anywhere.
adjacent pins to make sure there
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The injector on the right and the splitter on the left, as you can confirm by the
DC output.
For well executed adapters, there is no influence of the power supply on the
data cables, there is no interference in the transmission of data packets or in the
speed itself.
In the following images you can see the adapters in the place where they were
destined to be installed. The eLab network has been working well and there
hasnt been any kind of problem.
Step 8: Observations
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Once again we remind that in the injector and splitter, the tips of the twisted
pairs 4, 5, 7 and 8 (blue, blue/white, brown/white and brown) must be cut and
left in open circuit. If this is not done or if there is any kind of anomaly that
imposes voltage in these pins, the network devices might be damaged. Its
necessary to guarantee that these pins are left opened, preferably even isolated.
As mentioned before, the PoE technology uses the 2 twisted pairs that are not
used on the ethernet cable, however, this is only true for 10 and 100Mbps
networks. 1Gbps networks already use all the twisted pairs for data
transmission, so the PoE technology is applied differently, through a technique
called Phantom Power, therefore this adapter is not suited for those networks.
To avoid the risk of damaging network devices, it is never advised to inject the
PoE signal directly anywhere but the splitter, unless you are absolutely sure
about the devices characteristics and about what you are doing. The injector
and splitter should be always used together.
According with the application, voltage drops should be considered. For most
uses, specially for low wattages, voltage drops in a PoE cable are ignored,
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however, for longer distances they start having considerable values which can
change the performance of the network devices. If the voltage drop is relevant,
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If you are not sure about the network, about the devices, about how they work or
about what you are doing, then its advised not to do any changes, under the
risk of damaging the network devices, and we are not responsible for any kind of
damage. Whatever you do, do it at your own risk.
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Hi,
inspired by this project and others similar to it, I've build a version of this
passive PoE injector using a PC power supply.
I've added some 1A fuse on each of the six injector
ports supplying 12V, a green power indicator led and on/off switch.
Thank you.
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RS844 (/member/RS844) 7 months ago Reply
I made this for my Fiber Opt Media Converter, it worked well for 2 days, then
my media converter keeps showing error and was unable to connect to internet,
later i removed POE and connected adapter directly it started working again !! I
think it was caused by emf*.. any solution for this ?
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hello sir
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can I use only one wire for positive from 4 and 5?
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2 years ago
Thanks
I used 6 core from wire and my cable length is 10m and my internet is
working.let's hope I will not face problem in future.
Simple: 7805 or 7812 regulator to drop from a higher voltage. Gets warm,
wastes power, current in (at say 15v) is same as current out to device.
It's a switching converter (buck converter) meaning it draws less current than
the load. This is good. It reduces the losses in the wiring, and is even more
efficient.
It's not exactly PoE standards compliant, it's not 48v, but it works.
I'm using some of those modules (and similar) to power remote IP cameras
(draw 400-500ma, at 5v) from a centralised "injector" -- actually a hacked 8 port
router with an extra PSU to give 15v on pins 4,5 and 7,8 on 7 of the ports (not
the UPLINK port), just as shown here, but internal to the router
Each port can source 500ma (limited by it's own polyfuse), the load from a
single camera is now down to around 280ma.
The voltage does drop too much to just feed 5v and hope for the best,
especially on long runs.
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Nice write-up with plenty of information and the appropriate warnings. I'll be
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similar to run a remote IP webcam. Be aware
. that in some
countries 568A is the norm so check the connections carefully. (I love standards
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- There's always so many to choose from #;)
4 years ago
Curious, does the standard you choose really matter?
So long as you use the same pin out on both adapters it seems like the
wire in the middle wouldn't matter all that much.
I took a short Leviton certification course 12 years ago, and if I remember RhinitisTherapeutic
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correctly when making your cables you can choose either A or B, so long
as you use the same one on both ends of the cable. (if you don't, you end
up with a cross cable)
If this is incorrect then let me know, as I'd love to try this to free up an
extension cord. :)
4 years ago
One reason to be concerned with this is if you are working in a
facility that requires a second party inspection of all work prior to being
used. Granted in that case, this POE solution would not be expected to be
used, but it's good to keep it in mind. It also needs to be kept in mind if
you are going to be running this solution through a patch panel for
facilities. Make sure that any ports that will be carrying voltage that is
unusual for your facility is clearly marked.
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both ends the standard won't matter. My comment was more of a 'heads
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Hi,
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This is a really cool and useful idea. As a CCNA and a CCDA I must mention
though that due to the power and data running next to one another, there will be
interference and noisy data. Alot of packets will be dropped and other problems
will cause problems with data. Although if you don't have any other choice, go
ahead...it is better than nothing.
That's not the case if UTP is used. Even in CCNA learning literature there
is an explanation why the UTP is twisted: to combat crosstalk. DC power,
which doesn't change in regards to voltage or current, has minimal
crosstalk to other twisted wires. The whole IEEE PoE standard takes a lot
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In any kind of situation there will eventually be lost packages,
but the networking protocols are also designed to handle those situations.
But for as far as we have tested this montage, everything has worked
perfectly.
4 years ago
It is sending low voltage, low amperage voltage over a data
line. It is NOT the same as data over power line, PLT, as the cable is
made for data.
We also have been using this for over 4 years now, and it has worked
without any problems.
4 years ago
whitewolf, I believe that the problems with Power Line
Transmission devices that you are referring to have to do with sending
(analog or digital) signals over building mains wiringAC powerlinesas
with X10 and other devices or protocols.
The power on the ethernet wires is not your power company's grid power,
but the power coming from a power adapter. The power adapters are
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effect of low-pass filtering out any back-fed RFI and preventing it from
entering the power grid.
I'd add two more reasons - twisted pairs used in ethernet cable (and
phone lines) are paired & twisted in an effort to minimise
radiation/induction with an AC / RF signal on the wire.
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sir, connecting power cable with Ethernet cable on the same trunk, will there be
interference?
Very!! informative article on Ethernet Adapter but can you suggests me one of
best adapter which i could use for my computer, I have already visited some of
the online store to like sfcable.com, amazon etc... but still confuse!! Do different
adapter support different net speed or all are the same ??, please help me!!!!
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