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12thMay2013,22:43 #1

Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
isiv
BHPian
Helloexperts,
JoinDate:Mar2012 MyfullblackNov2005Pulsar180hasclockedcloseto19Kkmsandisgenerallyingoodcondition.
Location:Bangalore Eventhoughtherunningislow,Isticktotherecommendedmaintenancescheduleandperform
Posts:154 mostregularservicingtasksathome.Fewmonthsbackwhilecheckingtheplugs,Itriedtocheck
Thanked:131Times
thestrengthofthesparkandtomysurprise,foundthattherightsideplugwasnotproducinga
sparkatall.Hadfewlocalmechanicslookatitmostoftheseblokesdonotseemtothinkthisisa
seriousissueandsomedidnotevenunderstandwhattheheckIwastalkingabout.AsforBajaj
serviceI'vehadsuchhorridexperienceswiththem,Idon'twanttoletthesemoronsanywhere
within10feetofmybike.
EventhoughIcouldnotfindanydiscernibledifferenceinthebikesrunningcharacter,thiswasstill
atthebackofmymindallthetimeandoneweekend,Idecidedtoinvestigatethisonmyown.
Belowarethedetails:

1.Possiblesparkplugproblem?Rantothenearestautoshop,gotasetofnewplugsandchecked
sparkagainsparkproducedonlyonleft.Interchangetheplugs,stillsparkvisibleonlyontheleft
2.PossibleHTcoilproblem?InterchangedtheHTcoils.Nochangeinbehaviorsparkproduced
onlyonleft
3.PossibleHTleadproblem?Again,interchangetheleads.Stillsparkproducedonlyonleft
4.PossibleCDIunitproblem?Gotanewoneandpluggeditinnochangeinbehavioragain
5.Wiringharnessproblem?IwassuspectingthewirethatrunsfromtheCDIunittotheHTcoil.
CheckedcontinuitywithamultimeterfoundOK.
6.AsfarasIunderstand,theTPSreedswitchshouldnotcontrolwhethertherightplugworksor
not.ButtomakesureImanuallybypassedthereedswitchandtriedbothopenandclosedmodes,
butneithermadeanydifference.

Otherwise,thebikepicksupwell,runsperfectlyfineandhits100+comfortablyevenridingtwoup
(neverpushedherbeyondthat)andaveragesbetween42and48dependingondrivingconditions.
IfIhadn'topeneduptheplugs,guessitwould'vebeenalongtimebeforeIfoundout.

Iwillbegratefultotheexpertstoguidemewithfurthersteps.Prefertofixthisathomeunlessit
requiresspecialtools/skills.

Mods:lookslikethishasn'tbeendiscussedanywhereelsehencethenewthread.Kindlymergeif
I'mwrong.

13thMay2013,16:41 #2
 re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
adrian
BHPian
Hifriend,haveyoutriedanewsparkplugboot?
regardsadrian

JoinDate:Sep2009
Location:Trivandrum
Posts:708
Thanked:437Times

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13thMay2013,17:12 #3

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
isiv
BHPian
Quote:

JoinDate:Mar2012 OriginallyPostedbyadrian
Location:Bangalore
Posts:154 Hifriend,haveyoutriedanewsparkplugboot?
Thanked:131Times regardsadrian

Yes,whenIinterchangedtheHTleads,itwasalongwiththeboottoruleoutexactlythat
possibility.Forgottomentionthat,sorry.Butthanksandanyotherideas?

13thMay2013,17:49 #4

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
Ford5
BHPian
TheDTSitradeoffisthatonlyasingleplugworksforsparkingduties(whichismorethanenough),
JoinDate:Oct2011 andthesecondplugcomesintoplayonlyandonlyifthereisarequirementforextraspark,such
Location:Bengaluru ashighrevsorwhatevertheCdiunitdeterminesasrequirementforthesecondplugtobesparked.
Posts:371
Thanked:78Times

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14thMay2013,03:56 #5

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
ArizonaJim
BHPian
isiv

AsFord5mentions,yourmotorcyclecontrolswhichsparkplugfiresbasedontheenginespeed.

QuotingfromtheMaintenanceManual:

JoinDate:Aug2011 "Theseenginesarecapableofofrevivingveryhigh,quiteeasily.
Location:Phoenix,Ariz. Tokeepthemmechanicallysafe,aenginerpmlimiterhasbeen
Posts:983 incorporatedintheDigitalCDI.Thiscurtailsthesparkstothe
Thanked:1,838Times sparkplugstherebylimitingtheenginerpmMaxupto9000and
thuskeepstheenginemechanicallysafe.
Thereare2sparkplugs.LHsparkplugfiresat350rpmandthencontinuesto
givesparktillat9000rpmofengine.Thesparkiscutofffrom
LHplug9000rpmtoprotectenginefromexcessivelyhigh
speed.
RHsparkpluggivessparkat750rpmandthencontinuesto
givetill6000rpmofengine.Ifenginerpmexceeds6000rpm
thenRHplugiscutoff.Thisisdonetoreducecombustion
noisecreatedinengine."

NoticethattheRHsparkplugdoesnotfireuntilaenginespeedof750rpmisreached.
Dependingonyourmethodofcrankingtheengineduringyourtestitispossiblethatthis750rpm
speedhasnotbeenreachedthustherewouldbenosparkatthatplug.

IfyouhaveAdobeonyourcomputersoyoucanreadapdffileyoumightwishtodownloadthe
followinglinktotheMaintenanceManual.

http://www.bcmtouring.com/imp/pulsar...ersmanual.pdf

Attheriskofupsettingsomeone,I'llsaythatinmyopiniontheconceptofusingtwosparkplugsin
acylinderisunnecessary.
Itisusedasasalespromotiontomakeavehiclemoreattractivewithoutreallyaddingany
noticeablebenefit.ThisalsoappliestotheRoyalEnfieldwhichtoutedthedualsparkplugsonsome
oftheirmodels.(My500ccfuelinjectedUCEonlyhasonesparkplugwhichworksverywellafterI
threwtheBoschplugthatthemotorcyclewassuppliedwithawayandreplaceditwithaNGK).

Myold1975HondaCB400FCafeRacerwouldreadilyrevtoover11,000rpmusingasingle
sparkplug.

Haveagoodday!

LasteditedbyArizonaJim:14thMay2013at04:00.

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 14thMay2013,11:15 #6

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
Ford5
BHPian
Quote:

JoinDate:Oct2011 Attheriskofupsettingsomeone,I'llsaythatinmyopiniontheconceptofusingtwospark
Location:Bengaluru
Posts:371 plugsinacylinderisunnecessary.
Thanked:78Times

Iagree.Thisisamarketinggimmick.Internalcombustionenginesonlyrequireatinybitofspark
(asisalwaysbeen)tofiretheairfuelmixture.

Infacthavinganextraplugonlyaddscost.TheHondacity2ndgenerationinIndiahadtheiDsi
enginewith8plugs!

14thMay2013,12:17 #7

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
adrian
BHPian
Quote:

OriginallyPostedbyFord5
Iagree.Thisisamarketinggimmick.Internalcombustionenginesonlyrequireatinybitof

JoinDate:Sep2009 spark(asisalwaysbeen)tofiretheairfuelmixture.
Location:Trivandrum
Posts:708 Infacthavinganextraplugonlyaddscost.TheHondacity2ndgenerationinIndiahadthe
Thanked:437Times iDsienginewith8plugs!

AndaccordingtoBikeguruDilipBam,twinsparkplugsreduceenginelife TheRoyalEnfieldsfire
boththeirplugssimultaneously.Sothatdoesn'tdomuchdamage.Pleasecheckhiswebsitefor
moredetails.
Regardsadrian

14thMay2013,15:02 #8

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
isiv
BHPian
Quote:

JoinDate:Mar2012 OriginallyPostedbyArizonaJim
Location:Bangalore
Posts:154 LHsparkplugfiresat350rpmandthencontinuesto
Thanked:131Times givesparktillat9000rpmofengine.Thesparkiscutofffrom
LHplug9000rpmtoprotectenginefromexcessivelyhigh
speed.
RHsparkpluggivessparkat750rpmandthencontinuesto
givetill6000rpmofengine.

Thatexplainsit.ThanksalotfortheinfoandPDF,whichalsotalksoftheeffectsofoneplugfailing
tofirenoneofwhichIamexperiencing.Icanguesstheanswertothisone,butstillIshallask
mybikehappenstobetheDTSIwiththeanalogconsole,whichIpresumeisUG2.Themanual
seemstobewrittenforUG3sowouldthisdetailbeapplicablefortheearliermodeltoo?

AlsowonderinghowIcouldverifythatthattheRHplugindeedstartsfiringastheRPMcrosses750.

Ididthinkof unpluggingtheLHHTcableoncetheRPMreachessay1000,butafraidto

touchthecablewiththeenginerunning.Ifanyonecanthinkofasafer/morescientificapproach,do
letmeknow.

Asforthesuperfluityofthesecondplug,Itendtoagreetoo.ButIbelieveifabikeisspeccedwith
twoplugstofireintandem,itmust&shouldworkaccordingtothatspec.Elsewehavea
problem...

ThanksonceagaintoArizonaJim

14thMay2013,15:30 #9

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
praful
BHPian
Justunplugtherightplugandrevthebiketoabout23kinidletocheckifitsproducingspark.

JoinDate:Jun2006
Location:Bangalore
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15thMay2013,00:55 #10

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
ArizonaJim
BHPian
Disconnecttherighthandsparkplugwirefromtheenginessparkplugandinstallitonaspare
sparkplug.

Makingsurethesparesparkplugsbodyisgroundedtotheengine,startthemotorcycle.

Youridlespeedisprobablyhigherthan750rpmsoyoushouldseethesparesparkplugfiring.Ifit

JoinDate:Aug2011 isnot,increasetheenginespeedabit.1000rpmiseasilyattainedwithverylittlethrottleopening.
Location:Phoenix,Ariz. Yoursparesparkplugshouldbefiringwithanicebluespark.
Posts:983
Thanked:1,838Times

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15thMay2013,11:59 #11

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
isiv
BHPian
Quote:

JoinDate:Mar2012 OriginallyPostedbyArizonaJim
Location:Bangalore
Posts:154 Disconnecttherighthandsparkplugwirefromtheenginessparkplugandinstallitona
Thanked:131Times sparesparkplug.

Shucks!Whydidn'tIthinkofthat?GuessI'mlosingtouch Willtryovertheweekendandwrite
again.
Solong

15thMay2013,12:17 #12

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
antz.bin
BHPian
Disconnecttheworkingplug.Thebikeshouldstartontheplugwhichyoususpectisnotworking.
JoinDate:Aug2011
Location:Nasik/Mumbai ItsafailsafemechanismthatBajajuseswhichwillenablethis.SuchathinghelpedmewhenIhad
Posts:411 waterentertheprimaryplugandthebikerefusedtostart.AssoonasIdisconnectedthewetplug,
Thanked:542Times
thebikestartedwithoutanydramaoffthesecondsparkplug!

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19thMay2013,10:18 #13

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
isiv
BHPian
Quote:

JoinDate:Mar2012 OriginallyPostedbyArizonaJim
Location:Bangalore
Posts:154 Youridlespeedisprobablyhigherthan750rpmsoyoushouldseethesparesparkplug
Thanked:131Times firing.Ifitisnot,increasetheenginespeedabit.1000rpmiseasilyattainedwithvery
littlethrottleopening.
Yoursparesparkplugshouldbefiringwithanicebluespark.

Easierdonethansaid!IndeedIcouldseethesparkontheRHplugoncetheenginewasatidling
speed.WiththeRPMashadebelow1000,theplugwassparkingbeautifully.Thanksonceagain!

19thMay2013,17:12 #14

Re:Pulsar:Nosparkontherightplug?
highway_star
BHPian
Ifoneoftheplugsisnotsparkingtherewillbeanoticeabledropinpowerwhenyouride.Ifyou
arecuriousyoucandisconnectoneoftheplugsandridetoseewhathappens.Ihaveexperienced
thisunintentionallywhensomeonehadpulledoffthecablewhilethebikewasparked.

JoinDate:Dec2011
Location:Mumbai
Posts:100
Thanked:67Times


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