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The truth is out there.

Registered: Jul 2003
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "Duncan Philp, Fort Collins, Colorado, Founder of the
Posts: 9017
Colorado Patriots Militia, Philp was a member of Pete
Peters, Identity La Porte Church of Christ" ( False
Patriots magazine p 54, 1996 Southern Poverty Law
Center)
And now notice how the SPLC continues to twist the lie
even further.
"In Colorado, Duncan Philp, who was closely aligned

with Pete Peters, and formed the White Patriot Militia
in Ft. Collins," (Gathering Strom; Americas Militia
Threat p 90, 1996 Morris Dees)
Wow I went from being a being a freedom loving
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libertarian to being the very founder of a white

revolutionary movement and I never even knew about it.
Here is an interesting quote about and from Morris
Dees the director of the SPLC.
"Although his name appears on the inside cover of

'False Patriots' manual, Dees was quick to distance
himself when told that a business owned by a Jew, with
no patriot links, was listed as a patriot group."
(Wayne Laugesen Boulder Weekly pg 23, May 2nd, 1996)
"I don't have anything to do with that book," Dees

said, You'd have to talk to Joe Roy (director of
Klanwatch) about that." (Wayne Laugesen Boulder Weekly
pg 23, May 2nd, 1996)
The owner of the gun shop in question was Bob Glass, a

good friend of mine who also happens to be Jewish.
Here is yet another news clip about me.
"Participants help to keep the Dream alive."
"Duncan Philp, the Rev. David Williams and Aswad Allen

joined arms Saturday evening to lead a march from
Ammons Hall to the Abyssinian church for a memorial
service to honor Martin Luther King Jr." (Michelle
Doyle, Rocky Mountain Collegian, front page with a
color picture of myself and the other two men,
1/29/90)
Do white racists march for the equality of all races

on Martin Luther King Day?
Shazaam and looks like the SPLC lied. I had consulted

with a Denver attorney, by the name of Arthur Swartz,
to see about suing Dees for slander. Although he
stated that I had a case I probably couldnï¿½t afford to
hire him as I was an unemployed student attending CSU
at the time.
The ADL issued a similar report way back in 1994.
"Militias, calling themselves Patriots, are being

formed across the state and are currently operating in
Lakewood, Longmont, Boulder, Greeley and Fort Collins.
The Fort Collins group is led by Duncan Philp, who has
been a member of Pete Peters' LaPorte Church of
Christ. a racist and anti-Semitic church that embraces
the ideology of the Christian Identity movement."
The ADL offers the reader no dates, references or

sources for this incredible information. I have never
been a member of any militia nor have I ever been a
member of the Laporte Church of Christ. All one has to
do is call Pete Peters, the anti-Semitic preacher for

the Laporte Church of Christ, and ask him if I have

ever been a member of his church.
Here is quote from the neo-nazi himself in regards to

my so-called membership to his church.
"Dear Mr. Giombetti, Please be advised that Mr.

Duncan's reports about my theology simply is not true.
.... No need to communicate further for I don't
concern myself with papers like yours." - Pete Peters
(Mercury, Vol.1 No. 2, page 10, October 1999)
Gosh you would think that if I where in fact a member

of Peter's church then why would he accuse me of lying
about his church?
Even the ADL sent me a letter of apology and backed

off their claim that I was a member of this church.
"We understand your concerns and have taken steps to

insure that this statement in the report will be
amended in all future printings" - Jill Kahn Meltzer,
Legal Affairs Director for the ADL in New York City.
Dated December 12, 1994.
Duncan Philp, political agitator

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http://eatthestate.org/04-16/SmearingWTOProtests.htm
Smearing the WTO Protests

by Rick Giombetti
I interviewed an anarchist in Fort Collins named Duncan Philp for an

underground newspaper I published before moving to Seattle. Philp was
unfairly smeared by the SPLC and the Anti-Defamation League as a racist
for his attendance of the Christian identity La Porte Church of Christ,
located north of Fort Collins. Philp never became a member of said church
and a photo of him marching arm in arm with two black men in a 1990
Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday event hardly fits the description of a far
right racist. Philp puts forward an interesting theory on why organizations
like the ADL and the SPLC spy that seems to make sense to me.
The FBI can no longer engage in the kind of spying it used to when it
employed its Counter Intelligence Program, or COINTELPRO, to repress
political dissent, says Philp. Therefore, today, the FBI hires scam outfits
like the ADL and the SPLC instead to spy on political dissidents, which
includes anti-IMF, World Bank, and WTO organizations. The time is long
overdue for liberals who fashion themselves as champions of civil liberties
to stop giving their ill-spent money to spy outfits like the ADL and SPLC.
__________________
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"I would rather die on my feet fighting rather than live to grovel on my knees." -General
Zapata

"Our state and local law enforcement officers do not operate as "secret police" whose
names are exempt from public disclosure." - Washington State Court of Appeals
A fella told me once "You can attract more flies to honey than you can to vinegar." My
response was "That maybe so, but flies are also attracted to sh*t." - Duncan
"I am now waiting patiently, if not cheerfully, for the last bugle call, confident that when
at last my name is called, I can answer clearly: 'Here!'" - Cpl John Wesley Minnich, C.S.A.
"Where is the Coast Guard

I keep looking each direction
For a spotlight, give me something
I need something for protection
Maybe flotsam junk will do just fine
the jetsam sunk, I'm left behind
I'm treading for my life believe me" - Blue October
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"Militias in Colorado have benefitted from the support of a number of
Registered: Jul 2003 right-wing groups. Most active in the movement are so-called Patriot
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado groups that proliferate throughout the state. Others showing support for
Posts: 9017 militias in Colorado are the Constitutionists. the Guardians of American
Liberties (GOAL). and state representative Charles Duke."
Charles Duke is not related to the neo-nazi Duke of Louisiana fame and
holds no anti-semetic views, but notice the implications. This is how the
ADL twist their **** in an attempt to silence any conservative voice.
"Militias, calling themselves Patriots, are being formed across the state
and are currently operating in Lakewood, Longmont, Boulder, Greeley
and Fort Collins. The Fort Collins group is led by Duncan Philp, who has
been a member of Pete Peters' LaPorte Church of Christ. a racist and
anti-Semitic church that embraces the ideology of the Christian Identity
movement."
The ADL never bothers to site a source for this crap nor do they even
bother to post any dates. I never led any group I merely facilitated
meetings in which we discussed the Waco holocaust and the murder of
the Weaver family. You will see the pattern before I am finished.
When was I member of this church?
Where I have ever posted or written that I was a member of this church?
Show me the church records which state that I ever joined this church.
Call the pastor of this church and ask him if I have ever been a member.
The churches phone number is in the Ft. Collins book.
"The Patriots propaganda promotes the view that the federal government
has betrayed the people and the Constitution through laws regarding
home-schooling, abortion, taxation, freedom of speech and religion, and,

most importantly, gun control. While calling on citizens to take political

action (e.g., write their Congressmen, attend meetings, etc.), they also
urge that people prepare to resist the government by forming militias
and stockpiling weapons, groceries and other necessities for survival."
God forbid that we should redress the state and write letters to scumbag
polticians. God forbid that we should be allowed to home school our own
children. So who are the real fascists in all of this?
"The Patriots publish a newsletter and sell tapes and videos through "The
Patriot Library." Among the titles for sale are "The New World Order,
Communist groups supported by Hillary Clinton." as well as tapes
describing black helicopters said to be scrutinizing the actions of citizens
in the western states. A June 22, 1994 "Patriot Factsheet" encouraged
members to read, by computer access, The Spotlight, the organ of the
anti-Semitic Liberty Lobby."
I never heard of the Liberty Lobby. But we all know that Hillary is in fact
a Communist.
"The Constitutionists. a Kansas-based extremist group whose leadership

includes Evan Mecham, the impeached former governor of Arizona, has
received support in its promotion of militias from Colorado State
representative Charles Duke. Duke spoke at the group's June conference
in Indianapolis and promoted the formation of militias as an effective
way for citizens to protect themselves from the government. At a
Patriots meeting last July, Duke said: "We need some ability to get some
firepower to protect the citizens. I would like to see a militia...[the type]
that functions as a sheriff's posse and has sufficient training.""
Duke was one of the moderators at the Ruby Ridge fiasco, but notice
how they twist it.
"Radio station KHNC in Johnstown has offered its facilities to the Patriots
and other groups active in the militia movement. KHNC broadcasts
continuous Patriot programs and talk on "conservative issues." Among
regulars on the station are Bo Gritz (see Idaho section of this report) and
Dr. Norm Resnick, an outspoken opponent of gun control. In addition to
using the radio to air their views. Colorado militias also disseminate
information on computer bulletin boards that reach readers across the
country. The Colorado Free Militia and Boulder Patriots, for example, are
promoted on the New Age Electronic Information Service, a Colorado
bulletin board."'
Reznick was an orthodox Jew until his death and the owner of KHNC Don
Wiedeman is a messianic Jew. Funny how the ADL ingnored these little
facts.
__________________
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General Zapata

at last my name is called, I can answer clearly: 'Here!'" - Cpl John Wesley Minnich, C.S.
A.

08-27-2003 05:40 PM
duncan Boulder Weekly

Moderator
Letters the week of 6/07/01
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Never forget
Posts: 9017
The Anti-Defamation League is upset over the fact that the Tyranny
Response Team (TRT) wore blue shirts with the Star of David symbol on
a t-shirt (News, "Local activist maligned by story," May 31-June 6). The
symbol used by the TRT is the logo of Jews for the Preservation of
Firearms Ownership (JPFO). Aaron Zelman, president of the JPFO,
granted me permission to use the symbol because I for one am a
member of the JPFO, as are many members of the TRT. The most
important reason we wear the star is that the TRT wants all people to
remember the Holocaust and to never forget how the Nazi's
systematically disarmed the Jews, thus paving the way for genocide.
Tyrants always seek to discredit, demonize and then disarm their victims
prior to killing them en masse.
It seems that the ADL would like to dictate the content of another
group's speech. It keeps secret files on private citizens and is concerned
about the type of people who might join the TRT.
Just what, pray tell, are ADL leaders going to do when they find some
TRT member whom they don't like? Falsely accuse someone of being a
hate monger? Or better yet, call TRT leader Bob Glass, who's Jewish, an
anti-Semite?
It all sounds rather fascistic to me.
Duncan Philp/Director of Political Agitation, TRT Colorado
__________________
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A.

08-27-2003 05:45 PM
duncan Help Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) tell the
Moderator truth about how the Anti-Defamation League lies about Militias, law
abiding firearms owners and Judaism.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Please help distribute the following FACT SHEET! -- PEOPLE MUST KNOW
Posts: 9017 THE TRUTH!
1. ADL LIE: Militias threaten you.
JPFO FACT: The ADL reports on militias offer virtually no facts -- hard
evidence, documentation -- to support the ADL's allegations that militias
threaten public order. Why are the ADL's reports nearly empty of
references to newspaper articles with verifiable specifics as to date,
place, time, participants, etc.? The ADL's reports suggest that a tiny
minority of militias is run by neo-Nazis, racists, or other bigots. Why
should the doings of a tiny, nasty minority be a reason to condemn the
vast majority of decent, law-abiding militia-members?
2. ADL LIE: "Gun control" makes you safer, at the cost of "minor"
inconvenience, e.g., permits, waiting periods, registration bans on, and
confiscation of, some firearms and magazines.
JPFO FACT: The down-side to "gun control" is genocide, and mortal peril
to those in the U.S. armed services, who have recently been deployed
overseas thanks to "gun control".
In this century there have been at least seven major genocides in which
at least 56,000,000 persons, including millions of children, have been
murdered by officials of governments "gone bad". The seven cases are:
3. 1915 - 1917 Ottoman Turkey, 1.5 million Armenians murdered;

4. 1929 - 1953 Soviet Union, 20 million people that opposed Stalin were
murdered;
5. 1933 - 1945 Nazi occupied Europe, 13 million Jews Gypsies and others
that opposed Hitler were murdered;
6. 1948 - 1952 China, 20 million anti communists;
7. 1960 - 1981 Guatemala, 100,000 Mayan Indians Murdered;
8. 1971 - 1979 Uganda, 300,000 Christians and Political Rivals of Idi
Amin murdered;
9. 1975 - 1979 Cambodia, 1 million educated persons murdered.

TOTAL VICTIMS: 56 MILLION!
In every case, there was on the books before the murdering began, at
least one "gun control" law, sometimes the last of a series. In five of the
seven cases, "gun control" was first enacted by a regime that came
before the genocide regime -- sometimes decades before.
Most genocides unfold without outside intervention, except after the fact.
For example, during World War II, the U.S. government absolutely
refused to bomb the rail lines leading to the Nazis' main murder camp,
Auschwitz, in Poland. Had that been done many lives might have been
saved.
The ADL's strategy -- of watching hate groups and urging ever-more

severe" gun control" -- has a lethal flaw. If vigilance fails, and if a hate
group seized control of the U.S. government, prior enforcement of "gun
control" will ensure the hate groupies can easily pile up mountains of
corpses.
Those who say, "It couldn't happen here...we would never do that ... ",
are quite wrong. The U.S. government took all but the last step of a
major genocide just over 50 years ago. On 19 February 1942, President
Franklin Delano Roosevelt signed Executive Order No. 9066. Under that
order, some 125,000 Japanese-Americans -- 70% of whom were U.S.
citizens -- were forced to leave homes and businesses on the west coast
of the U.S. and were sent to places that the New York Times of that era
called "concentration camps". That Executive Order was affirmed by
Congress in the form of a public law at end-March 1942. The Supreme
Court ultimately concurred that these deportations were legal
(Korematsu v. U.S., 1944).
U.S. armed forces have recently gone to Haiti ("Gun Control"Law, 22 Dec
1922, amended 1 Oct 1980), and to Bosnia (ex-Yugoslavia "GunControl"
Law, 17 Sep 1964) to try to rescue people made helpless thanks to "gun
control". Had we simply shipped rifles to the Haitians, they likely could
have freed themselves from their murderous government. U.S. troops
may be needed to rescue the Bosnian Muslims, because an arms
embargo keeps them from defending themselves against Bosnian Serb
"ethnic cleansing". Why does the ADL back a policy, "gun control", that
forces U.S. soldiers, sailors, marines, and flyers to go in harm's way?
10. ADL LIE: Judaism and "gun control" go together.
JPFO TRUTH: "Gun control" violates and subverts Jewish Law. The
sanctity of life is a core Jewish value. By promoting genocide, "gun
control" poses a clear and present danger to the lives of decent people,
everywhere.
Life is so precious that under Jewish law, there are only three things a
Jew may NOT do to save his/her own life:
* a) commit murder (willfully take an innocent life);

* b) bow down to idols;
* c) engage in prohibited forms of sexual activity.
Thus, a Jew threatened with death unless he eats pork (prohibited

toJews), must eat the pork, if doing so will save his life.
From the sanctity of Life comes an imperative to safeguard Life. Thus, it

is written in the Talmud -- the 70-volume Code of Jewish Law -in at least
three places, "And the Torah says, 'If someone comes to kill you, arise
quickly and kill him.'" The Torah is the Five Books of Moses; this
injunction is rooted in Exodus, Chapter 22, Verse 1. This injunction
occurs twice in the section of the Talmud dealing with Blessings
(TractateB'rachos), on pages 58A and 62B. It also is found in the section
of theTalmud dealing with Administration of Justice (Tractate Sanhedrin)
page 72A. The contexts are all different, but the message is consistent:
forJews, self-defense is an individual duty. As nothing in the Five Books
of Moses, or the Talmud, is ever repeated without a reason, that this
injunction is three times repeated suggests it is a powerful injunction,
indeed.
History shows clearly that the biggest murderer -- of Jews and of other
minorities (ethnic, political, linguistic, etc.) -- has NOT been hate groups,
but governments that have "gone bad". To varying degrees, these
murders of Jews occurred because Jews neglected to learn and to
practice our religion's teachings which mandate self-defense. We have
paid a ferocious price for this neglect. Millions of lives will be saved if
Jewish law on self-defense is faithfully followed.
11. ADL LIE: JPFO is a danger to Jews. The ADL lies about JPFO's mission
and research (See letter by Abraham Foxman, ADL National Director, to
the Editor of the New York Times, 21 May 1995). The ADL says it fights
anti-Semitism and neo-Nazis.
JPFO TRUTH: The ADL dismisses JPFO research that shows the U.S. Gun
Control Act of 1968 (GCA '68) likely is based on the Nazi Weapons Law of
18 March 1938. Nazi laws have no place in America. Yet, the ADL backs
GCA'68 and advocates further restrictions on firearms-ownership by the
law-abiding.
JPFO has a new bumper sticker called ADL LIES. We would like to get 1
MILLION or more of these on firearms owners automobiles, campers and
homes. The sticker is white with red, blue and black letters. It is 4
and1/4 inches high X 14 inches wide. Large enough for the ADL to see
from their headquarters at the United Nations Plaza, New York.
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duncan ADL, Denver Post Defame Bob Glass

Moderator
by Ari Armstrong, May 29, 2001
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Trent Seibert has taken yellow journalism to a new level in Colorado with
Posts: 9017 his May 28 story which defames Bob Glass and the civil rights group for
which Glass serves as president -- the Tyranny Response Team.
The Oxford dictionary describes yellow journalism as referring to

"newspapers (or writers of newspaper articles) of a recklessly or
unscrupulously sensational character." Seibert fits the definition precisely
with his article, "ADL looks into gun group's tactics: Tyranny team 'in
your face'" (http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0...7E39171,00.html).
Seibert writes,
The Anti-Defamation League has begun looking into the tactics of a gun-
rights group that started in Colorado and has spread to 17 other states.
The ADL, which has exposed hate groups and militias throughout the
United States, stopped short of placing the Tyranny Response Team in
that category. But one ADL official said the civil-rights group is
concerned about the kinds of people who may be drawn to the gun
organization. "That's what it's about : keeping an eye on these groups,"
said Bobbie Towbin, associate director of the ADL's Denver branch.... "As
far as I'm concerned, I don't think they are white supremacists or have
an ideology that we'd be concerned about," Towbin said. "It's the type of
people they may attract."
The Tyranny Response Team is certainly a "gun-rights group," but it is

much more than that. Glass, who is legally the president of the group,
advocates an agenda for the complete restoration of the Bill of Rights,
including the Second Amendment. For instance, members of the TRT
protested Denver District Attorney Bill Ritter for issuing a warrant to
allow police to search records of the Tattered Cover bookstore -- a free-
speech issue. Glass and other TRT members protested in Denver on tax
day in defense of property rights.
Seibert is irresponsible for discussing the TRT as if it had some relevance

to "hate groups and militias." If the TRT is not one of those things, then
why write an article talking about it? The clear insinuation by Seibert and
Towbin is that the TRT is the type of group that "MAY" attract haters,
white supremacists, and militia members. Seibert's remark that the ADL
"stopped short" of calling the TRT a "hate group" implies such a
characterization was almost made.
(Besides, Seibert is unjustified in conflating "hate groups and militias."

Obviously some independent militia groups contain racist members, but

others do not. Article 17 of the Colorado Constitution states, "The militia

of the state shall consist of all able-bodied male residents of the state
between the ages of eighteen and forty-five years." If Seibert is between
these ages, then he is a militia member by law.)
Seibert writes his article as if it were about the TRT, but then he quotes
"ADL official" Bobbie Towbin talking about "these groups," plural. WHICH
groups? The clear implication of the article is that the TRT may
appropriately be lumped together with "hate groups and militias" and
"white supremacists."
Seibert and Towbin commit a very crude form of the logical fallacy
commonly known as "poisoning the well," a type of ad hominem or
personal attack. One logic textbook lists as an example of a "poisoning
the well" fallacy: "Don't listen to him; he's a scoundrel!" (S. Morris Engel,
With Good Reason, NY: St. Martin's Press, 1990, p. 195)
Seibert does quote Glass refuting the "poisoning the well" fallacy: "'When
their arguments are philosophically, historically and morally bankrupt,
the only card they have to play is character assassination,' Glass said."
The fact that Seibert magnanimously allows Glass to respond does not
excuse Seibert from publishing the unsubstantiated accusations in the
first place. A serious newspaper has no business adopting the tactics of
the National Enquirer.
Neither Seibert nor Towbin ever directly accuse Bob Glass or the TRT of
wrong-doing. Instead, they make multiple, unsubstantiated allegations
concerning what MAY be the case. For Towbin -- an officer of a self-
purported "civil-rights group" opposed to "defamation" -- to talk about
"the type of people [the TRT] MAY attract" (emphasis added) is chilling.
Elsewhere, Seibert writes, "An ADL researcher... talked to some

members of Denver's gun-control movement who believe that rogue
members of the Tyranny Response Team may have been responsible for
sending hate mail and death threats last year to Tom Mauser."
Again, notice the term, "may." Where's the evidence?
Objectivist philosopher Leonard Peikoff writes,
"Arbitrary" means a claim put forth in the absence of evidence of any

sort... [I]ts basis is neither direct observation nor any kind of theoretical
argument. [An arbitrary idea is] a sheer assertion with no attempt to
validate it or connect it to reality. If a man [or woman] asserts such an
idea, whether he does so by error or ignorance or corruption, his idea is
thereby epistemologically invalidated. It has no relation to reality or to
human cognition. (The Ayn Rand Lexicon, NY: Meridian 1998, p. 30,
second brackets in original)
Seibert's use of the phrase "rogue member of the [TRT]" is unjustifiable.

A better term would be, "non-member." Until recently, the TRT was a
disorganized group with informal leaders; now it is a legal corporation
with a president and board of directors. However, the leaders of the TRT
have always denounced acts of violence, calling instead for peaceful
protest. As he has stated publicly on numerous occasions, the only
contest Glass wants to initiate with Mauser is one of public debate.

The crucial point is that not one shred, not one iota of evidence links a
TRT member to any wrongdoing. Seibert doesn't even try to offer up
such evidence. It is conceivable, however, that a member (or self-
proclaimed member) of the TRT, or the ADL, or the Denver Post, might
on some occasion do something foolish, illegal, and/or dangerous. The
appropriate response from the group leadership is to denounce the
individual and the action. Once the group does this, the appropriate
response from the media is to treat the group distinctly from the errant
individual, not refer to the individual as a "rogue member" of the group.
For instance, the ADL ought to dismiss Towbin and denounce her bigoted
defamation of the TRT. If and when the ADL does that, the group as a
whole may properly be regarded as blameless. (Until such time, Towbin's
superiors share in her culpability.) Similarly, the Denver Post should
denounce Seibert's yellow journalism and print an apology.
Seibert again magnanimously allows Glass to respond to the

unsubstantiated allegations: "Glass has denied his group had anything to
do with those letters" to Mauser. Unfortunately, to date Seibert has failed
to "deny that he had anything to do with those letters." (My point: he
shouldn't have to.)
Seibert claims the "Tyranny Response Team has used controversial

tactics to disrupt gun-control marches..." This is true only if the term
"disrupt" is taken to mean, "peacefully protest."
Seibert also writes,
The group's protest tactics are a key reason why the ADL has become
interested in the group. Some examples: At a Boulder City Council
meeting last year in which council members were discussing
strengthening gun laws, members of the Tyranny Response Team
protested at City Hall wearing black shirts with yellow, six-pointed stars,
similar to the kind Jews were forced to wear in Nazi Germany. They also
distributed fliers containing photographs of Holocaust victims. At Million
Mom Marches across the United States held in May over the past two
years, Tyranny Response Team members disrupted proceedings by
outnumbering and outshouting the marching moms. At many of these
marches, they shouted down speakers by yelling "Sieg Heil," while
raising their arms in a Nazi salute. These tactics have been blamed for
the drop in participation in the marches.
Seibert misses a number of details. The TRT shirts are navy blue, not
black. At the Boulder meeting, many TRT members wore clothing other
than the TRT shirts. Most TRT members attended the meeting to speak
publicly, not rally. The "Million Mom March" never reached anywhere
near a million participants, and it consisted also of men and women who
aren't "moms." At least in 2001, MMM members did not march
anywhere. In Denver, the TRT did not outnumber the MMM, though in
2001 it came close. Mostly the MMM and the TRT have "blamed" the TRT
for a "drop in participation" at the MMM rallies; nationwide the MMM
suffered massive setbacks even in places where the TRT did not rally.
But more disturbing than the details Seibert gets wrong are the facts he
omits.
Why does Seibert fail to mention that the use of the "Star of David" was

inspired by Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership? Why does

he fail to mention that the "Sieg Heil" quote, far from showing sympathy
with neo-Nazis, was intended as an indictment of fascist victim
disarmament laws? Why does he fail to note the Holocaust photos were
intended to show what can happen when the populace is disarmed by the
state?
Finally, why does Seibert fail to mention that Bob Glass is a Jew who lost
family members to the Nazi Holocaust? Perhaps that would have
interfered with Seibert's insinuation that the TRT somehow "may attract"
white supremacists. The very first claim made at the top of the ADL's
web page (http://www.adl.org/, as of May 29, 2001) is that the group is
"Fighting Anti-Semitism." One would think that, in an article discussing
ADL criticisms of Bob Glass, the fact that Glass is Jewish might be
considered relevant.
It's not as if Glass is obscure on the issue. In his magazine The Partisan,
which is readily accessible to journalists as well as to the general public,
Glass strongly denounces all forms of racism:
Nazism and Communism are in essence the same thing. When one
judges the morality of a political system by the rights possessed by the
individual versus those held by the state, the thin line between the two
all but disappears.... [Two] attacks leveled against The Partisan simply
regurgitate the stale, cynical dogma of racist, anti-Semitic conspiracy
theory-attacks so thoroughly devoid of legitimate intellectual discourse
that they do not deserve to take up precious space in the magazine....
Our goal is to make The Partisan the preeminent voice of those rational,
freedom-loving Americans who yearn to re-claim their birthright of
liberty. (Issue 2, Vol. 1, Spring 1999, p. 4, "a letter from the publisher")
For Towbin and Seibert to make and relay (respectively) the vicious and
libelous suggestion that the TRT -- of which Glass is president -- "MAY
attract" white supremacists and other racists is morally reprehensible.
On July 24, 2000 Glass corresponded directly with Towbin (see http://
www.co-freedom.com/2000/08/neveragain.html). In his letter, Glass
writes,
It is specifically because the TRT wants to honor the memory of those

Holocaust victims, by learning from the lessons of history, and taking
specific actions to make sure that such a thing never happens here, that
we wore the yellow Star of David. This is our obligation to ourselves, to
our children and to all the victims of state-sponsored tyranny -- including
the victims of the Holocaust.
It is possible to debate the appropriateness of some actions of Glass and

the TRT (indeed, I have done so). But Seibert's article was not about
discussing the appropriateness of the symbolism; rather it was about
casting aspersions.
Seibert gives Glass the opportunity to say the purpose of TRT rallies is to
"show them [disarmament activists] how fascist their agenda is... The
real danger people face is state-sponsored genocide, like Stalin, like
Hitler, like Pol Pot. We're serious about preventing genocide... They [TRT
critics] never expected we'd be so "in your face.'"

However, including Glass' brief remarks does not excuse Seibert from
reproducing libelous claims. As a thought experiment, imagine the
following mini-article: "Trent Seibert is accused by Source X of being a
person who may attract the type of people who rape small children and
barbecue their hearts over an open flame. Seibert owns a barbecue pit in
his back yard. However, Seibert said he really opposes raping small
children and barbecuing their hearts." Would such an article be published
by the Denver Post? One would hope not. Arbitrary, mean-spirited, ad
hominem attacks simply have no place in a serious newspaper. It is
shameful that the Post chose to publish an article similar in form about
Bob Glass.
Towbin represents the "ANTI-DEFAMATION League" (emphasis added).

Random House defines "defame" as "to attack the good name or
reputation of; slander or libel." Either Towbin should apologize, or the
ADL should expel her, or the group should change its name to the
"Selective-Defamation League."
Seibert's article was picked up by the Associated Press on May 29. It ran
in edited form in the Rocky Mountain News. So much for the separate
newsrooms promised by the JOA. The fact that the Post ran Seibert's
wildly prejudicial story, and the News duplicated much of that story, is a
sad indictment of today's mass media.
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08-27-2003 05:54 PM

duncan -----Original Message-----

Moderator > From: zapata105@yahoo.com
> [mailto:zapata105@yahoo.com]
Registered: Jul 2003 > Sent: August 25, 2003 4:12 PM
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado
> To: Premier@gov.bc.ca
Posts: 9017
> Subject: Contact MLA Form Submitted From Legislative
> Assembly Web Site
>
>
> Name: duncan philp
> Email: zapata105@yahoo.com
> Message:
>
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/ame...ous/coloradohtm
been a member of Pete Peters' LaPorte Church of Christ. a racist and
anti-Semitic church that embraces the ideology of the Christian Identity
movement." - The ADL
This lie is posted on the website called Nizkor by a man named Ken
McVay who claims to be a citizen of your province of British Columbia.
The Anti-Defamation League, which pretends to defend Jews from
persecution in the US, posted this lie on their website and in a report
they issued during the year of 1995. When I discovered their lie I sent
them a letter explaining that I have never been a member of this church
and in response they sent a letter of apology and removed the lie from
their website and future reports. I have since learned quite a bit about
the ADL and groups like it who profit from fear. Their tactics are to lie
about anyone or anything they perceive to be conservative and pull off
what has become in essence a neo- McCarthyism type scam on people in
the USA.
"I am not know nor have I ever been a member of any neo-nazi party
senator McCarthy" or rather Mr. McVey.
Notice how the paragraph or evidence I have provided never offers a

source for the information McVey posts on his website and no dates.
When was I a member of this church?
When and where did I advocate the persecution of Jews or any race of
people for that matter?
The fact of the matter is I am a libertarian and very active political

activist who supports our Bill of Rights. The fact of the matter is the ADL
supports gun control and will go after any vocal gun owner in the US who
manages to get any media attention. The ADL's credibility has been
lacking for decades and they recently lost a ten million dollar lawsuit in
Denver, Colorado in which they were caught eavesdropping on a private
cell phone conversation and the lawyer who sued them is Jewish and
even he couldn't
fathom the depth of their arrogance and depravity. I have emailed

McVey and asked him nicely to remove this crap from his website. He
has yet to respond to my request and so now I am forced to contact
various Canadian Government officials and local media within the
province of British Columbia in an attempt to expose McVay for the fraud
that he is.
Sincerely yours,
Duncan Philp
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--- "Office of the Premier PREM:EX" <OfficeofthePremier@gems9.gov.bc.

ca> wrote:
Thank you for your email. While I understand that this is a frustrating
situation for you, the Government of British Columbia does not have
authority to tell an individual what they can put on their web site. I
would encourage you to continue to work with the owners of this web
site, in an effort to address these concerns. You may also want to seek
some legal advice to see if that is an avenue you can pursue. I trust that
this information will be useful.
Sincerely,
Gordon Campbell
Premier
--------------------------------------------------
Thankyou for you prompt response. Not even a US politician would have
ever bothered to respond to one of their own citizens so soon.
I do find your reponse interesting since your government has outlawed

so-called hate literature. Although I find revisionist history of the
holocuast to be repugnant I would never silence another simply becuase
I find their information disgusting.
I'm not asking anyone to make another law I am merely informing you
as to the incredbile nature of Mr. McVay and think that his little medal
granted to him by the nation of Canada should be taken away promptly.
I'm not a Canadian citizen, but I will take issue with a waanbe Canadian
citizen like McVay who post any lies about me on his public forum.
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08-27-2003 06:04 PM
duncan From: Paul Geddes

Moderator To: kmcvay@nizkor.org
Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2003 12:06 AM
Registered: Jul 2003 Subject: Duncan Philp
Posts: 9017
Dear Mr. McVay,
We have been contacted by Duncan Philp (a Wyoming resident) to find

out why your website contains the following:
"http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/armed-and-dangerous/
colorado.html
"Militias, calling themselves Patriots, are being
formed across the state and are currently operating in
Lakewood, Longmont, Boulder, Greeley and Fort Collins.
Christ. a racist and anti-Semitic church that embraces
the ideology of the Christian Identity movement." -
He would like to know what the source of your information is and calls it
an attempt to smear libertarians and gun rights activists.
When I did a google search on Duncan, I found a couple of articles about

a daring attempt to defy a Denver municipal regulation (and argue its
constitutionality). Do you have some other sources for your rather strong
accusation?
Paul Geddes, West Coast Libertarian

703-1180 Falcon Dr., Coquitlam, BC V3E 2K7
PH: (604)944-2845
gedswest@shaw.ca
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08-27-2003 06:07 PM
duncan Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:52:43 -0700

Moderator From: "Paul Geddes" <gedswest@shaw.ca> | This is spam | Add to
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Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado To: "duncan philp" <zapata105@yahoo.com>
Posts: 9017
CC: "Paul Miniato, Software Engineer" <paul@miniato.net>, "Marco den
Ouden" <denbak@telus.net>
Hi Duncan,
I also got your phone message (and your phone number...(307)649-

2456)
I have had only one dealing with Mr. McVey. One of our local members is
very interested in revisionist literature (much of which is banned in
Canada). A different local member wrote a strongly worded attack on
this "revisionist" material. We published some discussions of this
literature in our local newsletter with an editorial saying that the only
reason this historical debate was of interest to libertarians is because
much of the revisionist literature is banned in Canada and customs
agents confiscate
much of this material at the border and that libertarians are opposed to
censorship.
Anyway, in doing some reading in this literature because the debate

perked my curiosity led me to ask Mr. McVey some questions. He
promised to get back to me with some answers but never did.
I did read a little more of Mr. McVey's site tonight and found he was
quoting both David Lethbridge and Allan Dutton favourably. That to me is
a warning sign. In my opinion, both of these people are just local
troublemakers with political agendas who use any current event to
scream "racism". Rather than helping reduce any interracial conflict,
these two seem at the forefront of stirring things up. There have also
been local news stories about how these two have received lots of
government grants to
stir up trouble although I couldn't find any of these newstories on the
web this evening.
I do know that Allan Dutton showed up a few years ago when the ISIL
(Libertarian International) held their annual conference in BC. He even
was quoted in a newspaper about how this conference was a front for

local racists because its speakers included David Duke (apparently Allan
Dutton didn't know that Colorado politician (senator?) Charles Duke was
not
related to David. I think local libertarians mostly laughed off this
attempted smear.
So, my quick answer is that prior to your letter I hadn't thought that Mr.
McVey was one of the "smearers" . That is the label I would give to BC
residents Allan Dutton and David Lethbridge (who was actually sued
successfully for libel by the publisher of a local (weird) conservative
newsletter). But since both have been quoted on his web page as
authorities, that brings my opinion of McVey down a few notches.
I'm copying this letter (and yours) to a couple of local libertarians

(Marco den Ouden and Paul Miniato) who may have more information to
add.
Thanks for the warning on McVey. Is there anything you want us to do?
Paul Geddes, 703-1180 Falcon Dr., Coquitlam, BC V3E 2K7

PH: (604)944-2845 gedswest@shaw.ca
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08-27-2003 06:08 PM

duncan ADL loses $10.5 million defamation suit

Moderator CHRIS LEPPEK
Intermountain Jewish News
Registered: Jul 2003 DENVER - A federal jury has awarded a Colorado couple $10.5 million in
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado their defamation lawsuit against the Colorado chapter of the Anti-
Posts: 9017
Defamation League.
The 12-member jury in U.S. District Court sided with plaintiffs William
and Dorothy Quigley of Evergreen, in their defamation lawsuit against
the Denver-based Mountain States chapter and its area director, Saul
Rosenthal.
The jury on April 28 awarded the Quigleys damages, mostly punitive, of

$10.5 million, a figure that astonished defendants and plaintiffs alike in
the drawn-out and complex case that began with disputes over dog
fights and stolen ornamental plants.
The jury found that several statements made in 1994 by Rosenthal on

behalf of the ADL in a press conference and other public statements
defamed the Quigleys and resulted in actual and punitive damages.
Rosenthal said the ADL would appeal the decision.
We were shocked and very surprised at the result," Rosenthal said,

adding, "I think the overall reaction, within ADL, and from what I'm
hearing, in the community, is complete disbelief that this kind of result
has taken place."
In Phoenix, outgoing regional board chairman Marc Lieberman said he

was outraged by the jury's decision.
"I think it's reprehensible," Lieberman said of the verdict and award. He
also suggested the case "would chill advocacy groups."
Denver attorney Jay Horowitz, who represented the Quigleys in the trial,
said his clients were gratified at the outcome of the litigation.
"We did not expect a verdict of this size," Horowitz admitted, "although
we had the view that if an impartial jury could hear all of the evidence
concerning this dispute, the verdict could have been much larger" (than
the one actually awarded).
The dispute began in late 1994 when the Quigleys, residents of Jefferson
County near Evergreen, were accused by their Jewish neighbors, Mitchell
and Candace Aronson, of plotting against their family for reasons of anti-
Semitism.
The dispute apparently began over fights between their dogs and
allegations of stolen ornamental plants. It intensified into an incident in
which Candace Aronson believed that William Quigley intended to run
over her with his car.
As the dispute grew more heated, the Aronsons began listening to

cordless telephone conversations of the Quigleys which they managed to
overhear with a police scanner, and later recorded.
After consulting with the ADL, the Aronsons later told area media of

overhearing their neighbors tell crude anti-Semitic jokes and make

comments which the Aronsons took to be threats against their family.
The Quigleys denied that the threats were ever meant to be serious.
Rosenthal's comments about the Quigleys, made on behalf of the

Aronsons after the Denver ADL agreed to state their case publicly,
formed the basis of the Quigleys' defamation lawsuit.
Basing their charges on hundreds of hours of recorded telephone

conversations of the Quigleys, the Aronsons, and later the ADL, related
often-lurid stories of what some believed were ethnic slurs and potential
threats.
Some of the comments, repeated over and over in numerous media

accounts, shocked members of the Colorado Jewish community.
According to transcripts of the tapes, the Quigleys refer to attaching
images of oven doors to the Aronsons' house, of burning their children,
of wishing their Jewish neighbors had been blown up in a terrorist attack
in Israel.
Over the next five years, the case would become a labyrinth of criminal
charges filed and later withdrawn, civil lawsuits and counter suits.
Jewish News Senior Editor Chris Garifo contributed to this report.
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08-27-2003 06:11 PM

duncan ADL payout finally lays 9-year-old lawsuit to rest

Moderator
ALEZA GOLDSMITH
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Bulletin Staff
Posts: 9017
The Anti-Defamation League this week settled a 9-year-old civil suit
against the agency, agreeing to pay three remaining plaintiffs $178,000.
The suit, originally filed in 1993 by 19 plaintiffs, had accused the ADL of
illegally obtaining and disseminating the private records of these
individuals for the purpose of blacklisting them.
Although the ADL decided to settle, it continues to deny all allegations of

wrongdoing; after nine years, however, the organization felt that enough
was enough.
"We just decided it was time to get past this and move on," said ADL
attorney David Goldstein. "Otherwise, there could very well be many
more years of litigation."
ADL Executive Director Jonathan Bernstein, who leads the agency's

Central Pacific Region, agreed, adding that he is "pleased that this is
almost behind us now."
The plaintiffs' attorney, former U.S. Rep. Pete McCloskey, could not be
reached for comment.
As of press time Wednesday, the parties were still awaiting word from
the state court of appeals on requests to dismiss the case.
Both sides had filed appeals in July when a San Francisco Superior Court
judge dismissed plaintiffs Anne Poirier and Steven Zeltzer, but not
Jefferey Blankfort, who claimed the ADL obtained his Social Security
number "for non-journalistic purposes." Because the settlement took
place before the appeals came though, the ADL agreed to compensate all
three.
Though the ADL would have preferred to have had all the plaintiffs
dismissed in July, Goldstein said the case's nine years of litigation did
help establish "some important principles" about the agency.
In 1998, for instance, the California 1st District Court of Appeals

determined that the ADL could be defined as a journalistic organization,
and as such keep confidential any information gathered for journalistic
purposes.
Fourteen of the 19 original plaintiffs (two of whom are deceased)

subsequently dropped their cases.
The lawsuit was originally filed after police raids on San Francisco and
Los Angeles ADL offices in 1992. During those raids, confidential files
revealing the names of individuals in activist groups being monitored by
the ADL were confiscated.
But as a journalistic organization publishing many pamphlets, bulletins

and journals, according to Bernstein, it is not out of the ordinary or

illegal for the ADL to maintain that type of information, which is used to
assist the agency in the prevention of hate crimes.
"It's something we have done since we were founded in 1913," he said.

"It's a proactive way to deal with hatred before it explodes into an
incident."
In 1985, for example, the ADL supplied the San Francisco Police
Department with information that helped convict Coy Ray Phelps, who
was charged with placing bombs at several Jewish and non-Jewish sites.
"Time and time again ADL's background information on extremists has

thwarted their agendas through successful prosecution or the outcry of
the community," said Bernstein.
The need for this type of investigative activity and "keeping of files" is
underscored by the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, said Goldstein. "Now more
people are understanding of the importance" of monitoring possible
extremists and "keeping a reservoir of information on them."
Following the 1992 raids, however, San Francisco's then-District Attorney

Arlo Smith considered bringing indictments against the ADL for alleged
spy activities. One ADL investigator, Roy Bullock, was accused of illegally
obtaining information on political organizations and individuals from a
former San Francisco police inspector, Tom Gerard.
The ADL settled that civil suit in November 1993. Neither the agency nor
Bullock admitted wrongdoing or faced any criminal charges, but the ADL
did have to agree to certain conditions:
*To refrain from obtaining confidential and prohibited information from

police.
*To set up a San Francisco reward fund of up to $50,000 for hate crimes.
*To pay up to $25,000 in training costs for a public school program

designed to teach students about hate crimes.
Gerard was charged with five felony counts of stealing confidential state
documents but pleaded guilty to a lesser count of illegally accessing a
computer. He was sentenced to three years probation, a $25,000 fine
and a 45-day jail sentence that was to be spent, instead, on a sheriff's
work detail.
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08-27-2003 06:13 PM
duncan I emailed a nasty to the Center for Policy Research, located at Syaracuse
Moderator University in New York State, which was also spreading the lie about me
that they had gotten from the Dees book. A prof responded in very
Registered: Jul 2003 timely fashion.
Posts: 9017 Subject: Web page
Date: Fri, 5 Sep 2003 14:46:09 -0400
From: "Mark Rupert" <merupert@maxwell.syr.edu> | This is spam | Add
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To: zapata105@yahoo.com
CC: "Michael Wasylenko" <mjwasyle@maxwell.syr.edu>
Dear Mr. Philip,
Please note that the page to which you object did nor originate here, but
simply reproduced the 1995 Congressional testimony of Ms. Loretta Ross
of the Center for Democratic Renewal, and that her remarks to Congress
are a matter of public record.
However since you have raised doubts about the accuracy of at least one
of the claims she made in that testimony, I have removed the page in
question from the Maxwell School server and noted that its accuracy is in
question, as you will see below:
http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/maxpages...DR_militias.htm
and this was my response back
Your page is linked to the page for the Center for Democratic Renewal
and of course you can see from the link header the clear indication that it
eminates from your University.
That one sentence is taken directly from the Book titled "Gathering
Storm; America's Miltia Threat" page 90 and was written by the
incredible Morris Dees. It is beyond me why anyone from acadameia
would use that clown as a source of information. You will notice that
Dees never sites any references for his claims.
That one little sentence cost me alot of pesecution while I atteneded CSU
by the CSU police and the administration. I have had belly full of that
kind of crap. My prof conselor at CSU was Dr. Brad McDonald a polisci
prof who teaches political philosophy and if anyone wants to know if I'm
aryan airhead or not then they can just ask him along with the entire
polisci department of CSU.
Here is a quote from and about Dees printed in the Boulder Weekley.

“Although his name appears on the inside cover of “False Patriots”

manual, Dees was quick to distance himself when told that a business
owned by a Jew, with no patriot links, was listed as a patriot group.”
“I don’t have anything to do with that book,” Dees said, You’d have to
talk to Joe Roy (director of Klanwatch) about that.” (Wayne Laugesen
Boulder Weekly pg 23, May 2nd, 1996)
And that Jews name is Bob Glass who also happens to be a friend of
mine.
I don't raise any doubts about Ross's cliams as say. I'm flat out calling
the woman a liar. I was never a member of that church and I never
founded anything called a 'white patriot miltia' and no such thing ever
existed in the entire state of Colorado much less in Ft. Collins.
Duncan Philp
BA in polisic, history and criminal justice
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09-05-2003 11:52 PM

duncan I aslo emailed Chip Berlet with the Center for Democratic renewal and he
Moderator offered a prompt response as well.
Registered: Jul 2003 Chippy is a so-called expert on the militia movement and was the medias
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado poster boy for a short time. The guy is a flaming ***** he was also a
Posts: 9017 member of Student for a Democratic Society back in the early 70's which
was a known communist organization with had direct links to the
terrorist group called the "Weathermen'. I am finid out that most of
these *****s are communists.
Here is my intial emial to the *****.
-----Original Message-----
From: duncan philp [mailto:zapata105@yahoo.com]
Sent: Fri 9/5/2003 1:15 AM
To: Chip Berlet
Cc:
Subject: lies
I found this lie on your website and I notice that younever site a credible
source for your lie.
"For example, Duncan Philp, a Christian Identity follower and member of

Pete Peter's LaPorte Church of Christ is the leader of the White Patriots,
a Ft.
Collins militia. (Klanwatch News Release 10/26/94).'
I have never been a member of this church nor have I ever supported its
ideology. Funny how there is no
date attached to this lie you people have posted about me.
When did I become a member of this church?
Can you provide any documentation which proves that I am a member of

this church?
Can you provide any documentation that I am the leader of a white

patriot miltia or that any such miltia ever existed?
Morris Dees already denied ever writting his book about militias and he
was thourghly discredited. There
has never been a white patriot militia in Ft. Collins or anywhere in
Colorado for that matter. If so when did this group come into existence
and how many
members does it have to date?
So why do you hate libertarians? Which is what I am.
Why do you hate people of irish extraction who have done nothing to
Jews or black people?
Your lies are merely an expression of your hatred for me and why did
you lie about me?
Remove this crap from your forum and post an apology or I start calling
lawyers and media types. If you don't think it can't happen just try me.

http://eatthestate.org/04-16/SmearingWTOProtests.htm
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/dr...1469998,00.html
Respond in one day or the wheels will begin to turn and I will discredit
your organization.
Duncan Philp
Here is his response.
Hi,
First, try to be civil, our organization always takes complaints about

accuracy seriously, there is no need to be nasty.
Second, if we find that there is an error on our website, we correct

it. It won't be a struggle.
Third, I have tried to find the page on our website that mentions you
by searching in numerous ways, and I cannot locate it. Please send the
URL (actual web page address) where this information is located, and I
will start investigating your complaint.
Chip Berlet
webmaster
Needless to say chippy didn't get a civil response back.
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09-06-2003 12:01 AM

duncan My uncivil response to the commie.

Moderator
From: duncan philp [mailto:zapata105@yahoo.com]
Registered: Jul 2003 Sent: Friday, September 05, 2003 10:24 AM
Posts: 9017 To: Chip Berlet
Subject: RE: lies
Bend over chippy and get ready it take up the rear.
I know who you are can you say students for a democratic society? are
you still affiliated with the weathermen commie?
I will burn you for this lie and who ever told you clowns that Joe Roy is
credible?
prove that a white patriot militia exist

prove that I'm a member of that facist church
I see you swine have extended your persecution to include libertarians.
time for me to make a few more calls to people like David Freidman,
Arron Zelman of JPFO, David Kopel, Bob
Glass of the TRT, Mr. Gottlieb of CRKABA.
Next time stupid be sure and check your sources.
You can't find your own ****ing web page even after i linked it for ya?
Your going to remove the crap and post an apology otherwise I'll sue yer
ass off boy and I would love to sue a leftist *** like you chippy.
http://www.maxwell.syr.edu/maxpages...upert/Research/ far-right/
CDR_militias.htm
You got one ****ing day to remove it **** head.
His last response.
Dear Mr. Philp:
1) Your original message did not provide a link to the page.
2) The article found on the page you linked in your last message is not
by me:
The Militia Movement--in Their Own Words and Deeds
Loretta J. Ross, Research Director
3) The web page you linked is edited by a proferssor at Syracuse

University. This website has no organizational connection to Political
Research Associates or to me.
4) Please stop bothering me with false and malicious claims peppered

with crude and nasty comments. If you continue to send this type of
threatening message, I will report you to the abuse office at Yahoo.
Chip Berlet
Senior Analyst

Political Research Associates

http://www.publiceye.org
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09-06-2003 12:06 AM
duncan My final response to chip.

Moderator
If I emailed you chippy it was becuase your email address was on the
Registered: Jul 2003 webiste of either the Center for Democratic Renewal or The Center for
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Policy Research. Either way both groups are promoting this lie about me
Posts: 9017 and it is a direct take from the Dees Book titled "Gathering Storm:
America's Militia Threat". I'm sure you read since you are the so-called
expert on militias and all.
Here is quote about and from Bubba Dees.
“Although his name appears on the inside cover of “False Patriots”

manual, Dees was quick to distance himself when told that a business
owned by a Jew, with no patriot links, was listed as a patriot group.”
“I don’t have anything to do with that book,” Dees said, You’d have to
talk to Joe Roy (director of Klanwatch) about that.” (Wayne Laugesen
Boulder Weekly pg 23, May 2nd, 1996)
Notice how dees never sites and sources to his cliams, but hey I wouldn't
want to confuse a leftist with any facts or ask the ***** to support his
statemnet with some evidence.
And once agian chippy you have it backwards you ****ing left wing
nazi's are going to leave me alone. The article has been removed. See ya.
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09-06-2003 12:16 AM
duncan I did get a hold of Ross. She has a new group called National Center for
Moderator Human Rights Education.
Registered: Jul 2003 She is still in Atlanta and explianed that her and Morris Dees don't get
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado along anymore, but she wouldn't elaborate as to why.
Posts: 9017
Ross apologized over the phone and it appeared the poor woman was
handed a script to read to Congress which she never bothered to verify
as to the validty or factualness of what she was reading.
Her number is 404-344-9629 and she will talk to anyone that calls her.
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09-09-2003 10:03 PM

duncan There is plenty of information on the web in regards to Morris Dees.

Moderator Including his divorce papaers which allege the following by his ex-wife
Maureen Bass.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 1. Screwed around with other women and men behind the wifes back.
Posts: 9017
2. Had sex with his sons wife.
3. Attempted to have sex with his step daughter and was investigated by
the FBI for child molestation.
4. Had sex with the queer Springerman at the time the queer was
director of the NEA and when the Maplethorpe fiacso was the media
rage. i.e. the crucifix placed upside down in a jar of piss and labled art.
5. Beat his wife until her jaw was broken.
Keep in mind folks this guy works with the cops, who take his word for
everything he tells them and without question. I know this becuase I had
to bitch slap the entire Colorado State University Police Department into
leaving me alone and I won. I'll be posting my trials with this group of
swine following this post and on "why I became a copwathcer".
I also acquired Dees auto biography he use to work for the Klan. His
brother has a class 3 FFL even though Dees supports gun confiscation.
Dees placed a shotgun in mans mouth even though he himself doens't
think anyone else has a right to own a gun.
I also acquired a package of news stories which blasted him into next
year. He is a racist according to 12 black peopel who used to wirk for
him.
Friend a supporter of all cops Morris Dees left wing facist *** to the
extreme.
http://www.zianet.com/wblase/endtimes/dees1.htm
http://www.jubilee-newspaper.com/dees_86.htm
http://www.patriotist.com/dees.htm
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09-10-2003 11:03 PM
duncan An Open Letter To Morris Dees

Moderator By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | September 2, 2003
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Dear Morris Dees,
Posts: 9017
You’ve made yourself a national reputation as a fighter against hate
groups. Recently, however, you released a report called “Into the
Mainstream” by a leftwing conspiracy theorist named Chip Berlet, which
purports to show how “right wing foundations and think tanks support
efforts to make bigoted and discredited ideas respectable.” This report is
so tendentious, so filled with transparent misrepresentations and smears
that if you continue to post the report you will create for your Southern
Poverty Law Center a well-earned reputation as a hate group itself.
I will deal only with the single paragraph, which devotes to the Center
for the Study of Popular Culture but which in his estimation – and
apparently yours – is enough to damn it as a Center for bigots. Berlet’s
indictment of the Center – an organization with a proud history in
fighting for equal rights for all American citizens – is based on three
mangled statements taken from an ad opposing reparations for slavery
137 years after the fact. This ad was itself excerpted from an article
written for the liberal/left magazine Salon.com (which I notice is not
included in Berlet’s list of respectable bigots).
Here is the complete Berlet list of charges:
1. “Although [Horowitz] makes much of his past working for civil rights
for blacks and others, he more recently has blamed slavery on ‘black
Africans … abetted by dark-skinned Arabs.” Both statements are lies. The
first implies that I once worked for civil rights and don’t any longer.
Nothing could be further from the truth, and I have a public record
(ignored by Berlet) to prove it. Second, I never in my life blamed slavery
on black Africans … abetted by dark-skinned Arabs.” What idiot would
not know that white Europeans conducted the Atlantic Slave Trade,
which trafficked in 11 million black African chattel? The sentence Berlet
mangles is not a historical statement about slavery but a polemical
response to the proponents of reparations who are demanding that only
whites pay blacks for an institution – slavery – that has been eradicated
in the western world (but not Arab and black Africa) for more than 100
years. It is intended to remind people that the slaves transported to
America were bought from African and Arab slavers – not to blame
Africans and Arabs for sole responsibility for slavery. Berlet is fully aware
of this and his slander is just that – a calculated lie to taint the Center
and my work.
2. “[Horowitz] also claims that ‘there never was an anti-slavery

movement until white Christians – Englishmen and Americans – created
one.’” That, of course, is false. Critics note that Horowitz is ignoring

everything from the slave revolt led by Spartacus against the Romans
and Moses’ rebellion against the Pharaoh to the role of American blacks
in the abolition movement.” I have answered this mis-reading of my ad
in the book I wrote about my campaign (Uncivil Wars: The Controversy
About Slavery, Encounter 2001), which was available to Berlet at the
time he wrote this smear. I will quote from my book (page 58):
“For thousands of years, until the end of the Eighteenth Century, slavery
had been considered a normal institution of human societies. In all that
time, no group had arisen to challenge its legitimacy. Of course, there
were many slave revolts from the times of Moses and Spartacus, in
which those who had been enslaved sought to gain their freedom. But
that was not the point. The freedom they had sought was their own.
They did not revolt against the institution of slavery as such. What had
happened in the English-speaking countries at the dawn of the American
Republican was entirely unique. Before then, no one had thought to form
a movement dedicated to the belief that the institution of slavery was
itself immoral. What was important in this historical fact was that it
showed that white Europeans who were the target of the reparations
indictment had played a pivotal role in the emancipation from slavery.”
3. “[Horowitz] has attacked minority ‘demands for special treatment’ as

‘only necessary because some blacks can’t seem to locate the ladder of
opportunity within reach of others,’ rejecting the idea that they could be
the victims of lingering racism.” Unlike the previous charge, this last item
in Berlet’s indictment cannot be even charitably regarded as a
misunderstanding of my text. It is again a calculated and carefully
constructed lie. My text is quite clear (again I will refer to the Salon
article).
The passage in which these snippets occur is about the way the
reparations claim will create resentment and hostility between African-
Americans and other minority groups. It has absolutely nothing to do
with whether there is lingering racism or not. It doesn’t even have to do
with my own opinions, but with the opinions of these other minority
groups.
To wit: “As America enters the 21st Century, it is more than ever a
nation of immigrants and increasingly a nation of immigrants ‘of color.’
Virtually every group that has come to seek refuge and opportunity in
America has its own grievances to remember. For millions of immigrants,
the suffering is recent, and can be as serious as ethnic cleansing or
genocide. What attitude are these people going to have to the payment
claims from African-Americans, whose slavery experience lies in the
distant past and was not the actual experience of any blacks alive today?
Won’t the demand for reparations be seen as just another claim for
special treatment, for an extravagant new handout? Even if the
experience of segregation (now nearly fifty years old) is added to
slavery, won’t these immigrant communities – Hispanic, Indian, Asian –
regard this as a crutch made necessary only because some blacks can’t
seem to locate the ladder of opportunity within reach of others (many of
whom are even less privileged than themselves)”
And that is the entire evidence for Berlet’s indictment of the Center for
the Study of Popular Culture as an organization to make bigotry
respectable. Shame on you Morris Dees for propagating this filth. An

apology would be nice, but taking Berlet’s entire report off your website
and notifying your thousands of supporters would be better.
Sincerely,
David Horowitz
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09-11-2003 10:49 AM
duncan hate crime hoaxes

Moderator
http://www.issues-views.com/index.p...0/article/21009
Posts: 9017
Hate crime hoaxes
This wasn't supposed to happen here
[Reprinted from Issues & Views September 10, 2001]
The most outrageous feature of "hate crime" laws, that have been passed
in several states and municipalities, is the implication that members of
particular groups are more important when it comes to legal redress than
other citizens.
Another rarely mentioned feature is the temptation that such laws offer to
the devious to invent "crimes" that never happened. The most recently
reported case took place in Linden, Texas, in August, where a black
woman claimed that two white men jumped her on the street, beat her,
robbed her, and carved the letters "KKK" into her chest. As reported by
the Arizona Republic, investigators of the Cass County sheriff's office
found so many inconsistencies in the woman's story that she finally
admitted fabricating it. (Shades of Tawana Brawley.)
In recent years, there have been many such concocted and embellished
tales. Laird Wilcox was the first to systematically recount such hoaxes,
which often have different motives attached. He maintains that the media

often limits its coverage of falsified "hate crimes." Following is an excerpt

from Wilcox's Crying Wolf: Hate Crime Hoaxes in America:
In recent years "anti-racists" have proclaimed that virtually every

behavior and institution in our society is covertly racist. Anti-racism has
become a small industry in the United States. Entire career fields are built
around defining and combating "racism" in one form or another. As
individual problems are solved and offensive behaviors disappear, the
definition of racism is broadened again and again to include more and
more behaviors, hence we have the problem of "increasing" bigotry and
intolerance. I suspect the last thing many professional anti-racists want is
a truly race-neutral society. They have developed a vested interest in the
continuation of the problem, a kind of "co-dependency" relationship, if you
will.
It's no great surprise that a bright, socially-conscious individual would

realize quite on his or her own that there's nothing like some racist graffiti
or some other "hate crime" to invigorate the militants, and what the hell,
it's for a good cause--right? Americans are not known for their ability to
defer gratification for long, hence the racist or anti-Semitic hoax. It's as
easy as apple pie.
Consider a college campus boiling with racial and gender sensitivity, with
courses in victimization, organizations for victims, a constant barrage of
victim-victimization propaganda--but no immediate and palpable victims.
"Anti-racist" vigilantes with no racists (or misogynists and homophobes)
to hang had better get busy and make some, and as we see, they often
do.
What I see happening with hoaxes is a kind of "market" process: the

frequency of hoaxes increases with their utility in accomplishing desired
ends. When the "market" or payoff for victimization goes up, the
temptation to create victimization where none exists is very strong and
the temptation to exaggerate minor cases of alleged victimization is even
stronger.
Conversely, as the number of hoaxes increases (assuming they are

reported) a greater skepticism toward unproven and marginal
victimization claims will probably increase as well, and hoaxes will become
less effective. It's pretty much a matter of supply and demand.
In Crying Wolf, besides detailing particular cases, Laird Wilcox discusses

aspects of a social environment that abets racial and anti-Semitic hoaxes.
He is also author of The Watchdogs: A Close Look at Anti-racist
'Watchdog' Groups. See Editorial Research Service
2004 Issues & Views

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http://www.texashatecrime.com/fake_...rue_stories.htm
Feigned Facts and Hoaxes

"Agencies must be alert to evidence left by the offenders that is meant to
give the false impression that the incident was motivated by bias.
However, even when a hoax is suspected, police must be especially
careful not to announce this publicly. Bias crimes can attract intense
community interest and sensational publicity. Stating that the incident

may have been faked will often appear to be ï¿½blaming the victim,ï¿½
leading to a setback in police-community relations. On the other hand, if a
solid investigation proves no bias was involved, police should rely on the
strength of that evidence to convince a judge, jury, and the general
public."
----U.S. Justice Dept. training publication, pages 17-18 (.pdf file)
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06-12-2004 05:33 PM
duncan "They call themslves "Patriots" and they met regularly in Ft. Collins until
Moderator recently when their meeting place, Gabby's Restaurant, shut down. ......
Although they never had an official leader, Duncan Philp, a former Coast
Registered: Jul 2003 Guard member acted as moderator for the sessions. Philp is a CSU
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Poitical Science student, who denies being part of a militia and describes
Posts: 9017
himself as a Libertarian." - (Triangle Review, vol. 22, num. 22 May 5,
1995, Front page)
Ummm just I don't see the words "Christian Identity" in this news story.
"Since Oklahoma City, we haven't heard much from the milita groups"
said Bobbie Towbin of the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) in Denver.
"They seem to have taken a very low profile." (Triangle Review, vol. 22,
num. 22 May 5, 1995, Front page)
And we don't hear much from the ADL these days. They seem to have
taken a very low profile after being exposed publicly for their lies in
regards to Libertarian Jews being anti-semetic and that ten million dollar
lawsuit they recently lost over invasion of privacy. Bobbie Towbin no
longer works for the ADL due to the ten million dollar lawusit.
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07-10-2004 04:35 PM
duncan Now keep in mind the ADL and the SPLC work with copscum to destroy
Moderator their political enemies and the ADL enemies include Libertarians,
anarchist, Arab Americans, the NRA, the GOA, the TRT, the JPFO etc... .
Registered: Jul 2003 The ADL is the main source of info for copsters and they use the ADL as
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado their justification for persecuting Patriots by spying on us an then place
Posts: 9017
lies about us in their secret files.
"Among those identified as a "militia leader" is Duncan Philp in Ft.

Collins. He is reported as being a member of Pete Peter's Laporte Church
of Christ . Pete Peters is a very dangerous person regarding minorities.
Duncan is an active Libertarian in Colorado. He visited the church to do
some Libertarian political organizing. This comes form the files of the
ADL, which cliams, because Duncan went out to their church farm area,
that he must be a member. Never mind the truth: that Duncan is a
Seventh Day Adventist, and has been since 1988: that Pete Peters feels
that all Adventist are being duped by a "Jewess woman" (Ellen White the
SDA prophetess and one of the founders of the SDA church. Her maiden
name was Harmon and Peters feels this surname is a Jewish name, even
though her father was a Methodist.); and that Adventist incorrectly
interpret the Scriptures such that they "are not even a real church". (The
Firearms Sentinel, vol 1, issue 1 "Disarmed & Dangerous: United States
Militia Report" by Samuel Sherwood. January, 1995, page 13. )
The Firearms Sentinel is a publication put out by the Jews for

Preservation of Firearms Ownership (JPFO) of which I am a member.
http://www.jpfo.org/
Join today. The JPFO has little use for facist copsters becuase it was
facist copsters who murdered the Jews in Germany.
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duncan "Duncan Duwane Philip, purported head of the Ft. Collins patrito
Moderator chapter. FBI intelligence says he's helping Schlosser and others put
together a hand book on security issues and bylaws for the Colorado
Registered: Jul 2003 militia."
Posts: 9017 Denver Post January 22, 1995 page 10A, left hand side bar.
I've never met or worked with Schlosser in my life. I did talk to the
guy once on the phone and learned that he was a tin foil militia guy.
I've never worked with anyone on any book and I've never written or
produced any book. The FBI has yet to show me or anyone else this
imagined book of theirs.
I've never worked with anyone on the forming of any kind of private
militia here in Colorado, nor have I ever worked with anyone on
writting of any bylaws for any militia anywhere. I never joined of
formed any private militia of any kind. Under the Second Amendment

I am already a member of "THE MILITIA" and not a memeber of "a

militia" and as such there would be no reason for me form a militia.
This is what is known as FBI disinformation, which is a tactic used by
the KGB.
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"Our state and local law enforcement officers do not operate as "secret police"
whose names are exempt from public disclosure." - Washington State Court of
Appeals
A fella told me once "You can attract more flies to honey than you can to vinegar."
My response was "That maybe so, but flies are also attracted to sh*t." - Duncan
"I am now waiting patiently, if not cheerfully, for the last bugle call, confident that
when at last my name is called, I can answer clearly: 'Here!'" - Cpl John Wesley
Minnich, C.S.A.

07-10-2004 05:25 PM
duncan "Larimer County Sheriff's Deputy Steve Hollway closes the Laporte
Moderator Church of Christ door Friday." - Sally Norman
Registered: Jul 2003 "The state of Colorado seized and locked the LaPorte Chruch of Christ
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado on Friday." - Sally Norman
Posts: 9017
"Looks like some thieves are in uniform wearing guns," said Dan
Junker, who stood among a samll group watching the seizure." -
Sally Norman 2/2/93
"Looks like we live in a police state added Duncan Philp." - Sally

Norman Ft. Collins Coloradoan 2/2/93
If you defend free speech rights, even that of right wing whacko's like
Pete Peters, then according to the ever incredible ADL you must hate
Jews and you must of course be a member of this church. I was there
when the County Gestapo seized this church and refused its members
use of their own church.
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07-11-2004 03:08 PM
duncan "Dennis Cortese, proprieter of Debbie duz Donuts, was arrested

Moderator Monday night after he allegedly harassed the narcotics officers to
testify against him." - Tony Blandran
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "Duncan Philp, chairman of Concerned Citizens on Police Matters said
Posts: 9017 he attended the court proceedigns and saw some of the incident in
the courthouse hall way. Concerned Citizens has complianed
repeadtly about Sheriff Jim Black's management tactics." - Tony
Blandaran Ft. Collins Coloradoan 5/15/90 front page news.
Debbie duz Donuts was a topless donut shop located on the NE

corner of I-25 and Hwy 14 east of Ft. Collins. The donut shop made
the big time when Geraldo came to do a show on the issues
wurrounding the shop. Sheriff Jim Black had publicly stated that he
would do anything in his power to shut the shop down. He would
later do just that by use of an undercover Deputy named Pettit. Pettit
posed as a drug dealer, who also wanted to conduct prostitution on
the premisis of the donut shop. Pettit offered to sell drugs to Corteze
and Dennis would take the biat. Pettit would place the drugs in a ice
cooler located inside the donut shop for Dennis to pick up. This is
called entrapment and it would cost the Sheriff his bid for re-election.
Pettit later be forced to quit the department at the behest of the new
sheriff.
The point of posting this is that no member of the LaPorte Church of

Christ would support the free speech rights of a topless donut shop.
Unlike any of the leftists with the ADL I am consistent on my position
that free speech is an absolute.
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07-11-2004 03:37 PM
duncan More lies from the ADL and Obamanation

Moderator CNN) -- Right-wing extremist groups may be using the recession and
the election of the nation's first African-American president to recruit
Registered: Jul 2003 members, a Department of Homeland Security report contends.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Though the nine-page report said it has "no specific information that
Posts: 9017
domestic right-wing terrorists are currently planning acts of
violence," it said real-estate foreclosures, unemployment and tight
credit "could create a fertile recruiting environment for right-wing
extremists and even result in confrontations between such groups
and government authorities similar to those in the past."
The report, prepared in coordination with the FBI and published April
7, was distributed to federal, state and local law enforcement officials
under the title "Right-wing Extremism: Current Economic and Political
Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment."
It compares the current climate the 1990s, "when right-wing

extremism experienced a resurgence fueled largely by an economic
recession, criticism about the outsourcing of jobs, and the perceived
threat to U.S. power and sovereignty by other foreign powers."
It cites proposed restrictions on weapons as likely to increase

membership in extremist groups and expresses concern the groups
might try to recruit veterans.
The report also cites concern about anti-Semitism, saying that some
groups are blaming the loss of U.S. jobs and home foreclosures on "a
deliberate conspiracy conducted by a cabal of Jewish 'financial elites'
" in an attempt to recruit members.
The election of President Obama is cited as a key recruitment tool.

"Many right-wing extremists are antagonistic toward the new

presidential administration and its perceived stance on a range of
issues, including immigration and citizenship, the expansion of social
programs to minorities, and restrictions on firearm ownership and
use," the report said.
It said that twice in the run-up to the 2008 presidential election,

"extremists appeared to be in the early planning stages of some
threatening activity targeting the Democratic nominee, but law
enforcement interceded."
The report said that "lone wolves and small terrorist cells" represent
the nation's biggest terrorist threat because their low profile makes it
difficult to intervene before they act.
Mark Potok, director of the Southern Poverty Law Center, which

tracks extremist groups, agreed that Obama's election may have
boosted membership in such groups, but called any link to the
economy "more questionable."
He said his group has documented "a steady, not dramatic," growth
of extremist groups -- from 602 in 2000 to 926 in 2008, an increase
of more than 50 percent.
Though "there has been a lot of talk about the country being stolen,"
it is "a little early" to conclude that Obama's election has driven
massive growth in such groups, he said.
A DHS official said the department was not trying to squelch free
speech by issuing the report. "There is no link between extremists
being talked about in that report and conservative political thinkers,
activists and voters," the official said.
But conservative radio talk show host Roger Hedge**** was not
persuaded. "If the Bush administration had done this to left-wing
extremists, it would be all over the press as an obvious trampling of
the First Amendment rights of folks and dissent," he told CNN.
In fact, the Obama administration in January did issue a warning

about left-wing extremists. Both reports were initiated during the
administration of former President George W. Bush.
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SPLC Watchdog website and it ain't looking good for Morris and his
Registered: Jul 2003 gang of punks.
Posts: 9017 Ain't the world wide web great?
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Morris Dees -- Child Molester, Pervert, and Liar?
Registered: Jul 2003 Part I
Posts: 9017 --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
For the past several years, the Major Media has portrayed Morris Dees
of the Southern Poverty Law Center as an "expert" on terrorism,
militias, and the Patriot Movement.
Is Morris Dees a trustworthy and truthful source of information, on a

subject so dear to the American people as their liberties?
Decide for yourself after reading the following court document. This
was forwarded to me by email several years ago. I make no claim as
to it's authenticity... Research the facts for yourself. I merely
reproduce it here in the public interest. WEB
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IN THE ALABAMA COURT OF CIVIL APPEALS
MAUREENE BASS DEES )

)
Appellant, )
)
-vs- ) CASE NO. CIV. 2114
)
MORRIS S. DEES, )
)
Appellee. )
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ON APPEAL FROM THE CIRCUIT COURT OF

MONTGOMERY COUNTY, ALABAMA
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BRIEF OF APPELLANT
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MAURY SMITH
JULIA S. WATERS
CHARLES M. CROOK
Attorneys for the Appellant
OF COUNSEL:
SMITH, BOWMAN, THAGARD,
CROOK & CULPEPPER

P.O. Box 78
Montgomery, Al 36101
Telephone: (205) 834-6500
ORAL ARGUMENT REQUESTED

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TABLE OF CONTENTS
PAGE
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STATEMENT OF THE CASE ........................................ 4

THE ISSUES ................................................... 4
STATEMENT OF THE FACTS ....................................... 5
A. Morris' Financial Condition ........................... 5
B. The Cause Of The Breakup; Vicki Booker McGaha ......... 6
C. The Reconciliation .................................... 6
D. Morris Can't Give Up His Mistress ..................... 7
E. Maureene Is Compelled To Seek Divorce ................. 8
F. Morris Sets A Trap .................................... 9
G. Morris' Trap Works: The Hotel Room Agreement .......... 11
H. Morris' Sexual Appetite ............................... 12
A. Dianne Hicks ...................................... 12
B. Cathy Bennett ..................................... 12
C. Judith Rogers ..................................... 13
D. Deborah Levy ...................................... 13
E. Pamela Horowitz ................................... 13
F. Charlie Springman ................................. 14
G. Morris' Step-Daughter ............................. 14
H. Morris' Future Daughter-in-law .................... 15
ARGUMENT ..................................................... 15
A. The Trial Judge Plainly And Palpably Abused
His Discretion ....................................... 15
1. The Conduct Of The Parties With Reference
To The Cause Of Divorce ........................... 18
(a) Even If The Parties Were Equally At
Fault, The Present Decree Is Indefensible ........ 20
2. The Source Of Their Property ...................... 20
3. The Parties' Standard Of Living During The
Marriage And Their Potential For Maintaining
Or Exceeding That Standard After Their
Divorce ........................................... 22
4. The Financial Circumstances Of The Parties ........ 23
5. The Parties' Future Prospect ...................... 23
6. The Length Of The Marriage ........................ 24
B. Morris Dees' Entire Estate Has Been Used Regularly
For The Common Benefit Of The Parties ................. 24
1. The Real Estate .................................... 26
2. Morris' Other Assets ............................... 27
1968 through 1975 ................................ 27
1975 ............................................. 29
1976 ............................................. 30
1977 ............................................. 30
1978 ............................................. 30

C. The Trial Court Erred In Prohibiting The Wife

From Calling The Husband As A Witness ................. 30
CONCLUSION ................................................... 31
CERTIFICATE OF SERVICE ........................................
At the time of the divorce, Morris' net worth, based upon his own
calculations, was $3,876,029 (R. 1252, et. seq; Def. Ex. 86-87;
Stipulation,R. 231). His annual income exceeds $230,000 (Def. Ex. 76-
79), of which more than $160,000 annually is derived from municipal
bonds upon which Morris pays no income tax (Def. Ex. 28).
B. The Cause Of The Break-up: Vicki Booker McGaha
Although Maureene was subjected to a number of degrading sexual

episodes by Morris during the marriage which will be discussed
hereafter, neither Morris nor Maureene ever wanted or sought a
divorce until Morris established his permanent relationship with Vicki
Booker McGaha in August of 1977. It was Morris' absolute refusal to
give up his mistress, whom he was supporting and whom he had made
pregnant, that directly caused termination of Maureene's marriage and
forced her to institute these divorce proceedings.
In August, 1977, Morris tried the "Weisenhunt case" in Birmingham,
and became acquainted with Vicki Booker McGaha, who was a member
of that jury (R. 1459). Thereafter, Morris and Vicki began a sexual
affair which has still not ended, and which was the cause of
termination of two marriages.
Following their meeting in Birmingham during the Weisenhunt trial in

August, 1977, Morris had sexual relations with Vicki at Oak Mountain
State Park in Shelby County (R. 1461), the Prattville Holiday Inn, the
Holiday Inn East, the Governor's House Hotel, and the Howard
Johnson Motel (R. 1462).
The first trip that he took with her was a four day trip to the "Cajun
Country" in Louisiana on a motorcycle in April, 1978 (R. 1464-1465).
In August, 1978, Vicki joined Morris in Columbus, Georgia, where she
stayed with him at the Holiday Inn (R. 1468).
Maureene first found out about Vicki when she was contacted by
Vicki's husband, who subsequently turned over to her letters that
Morris had written to Vicki and tape recordings of conversations that
Morris had had with Vicki (R. 361-362). Mr. McGaha divorced Vicki
McGaha in May, 1978 (R. 1469).
Around this time, at Morris' request, Maureene met with Morris and
Vicki at the Sheraton Mountain Brook Inn to discuss the situation (R.
358). During this conversation Morris told Maureene that he was in
love with Vicki, that they wanted to be together, and they didn't care if
they had anything but a shack with a dirt floor if they could be
together (R. 358). Morris told Maureene that he and Vicki were going
to live together and they they hoped she would understand. Maureene
learned that the affair had been going on since August of 1977 (R. 280-
281, et seq). In later conversations Morris
cried and told Maureene that he loved them both, and that "Vicki has
such beautiful blue eyes and she can see right through you" (R. 360).
Following this meeting, Maureene separated from Morris for the first

time and filed the first suit for divorce (R. 361).
C. The Reconciliation
After Maureene and Morris had been separated for about four to six
weeks,
Morris telephoned her and said that he had made a mistake, that he
did love
Maureene and wanted her back, and he swore never to see Vicki
McGaha again
(R. 282). To assure her of this Morris arranged another meeting
among the
three of them as Joe Levin's lake cabin on July 3, 1978 (R. 367, et
seq).
This meeting was bizarre. In a three-way conversation Morris would
first
ask Vicki to state how much she loved him, and he would then turn to
Maureene to ask her to state how much she loved him (R. 367). It was
as if
he were staging a contest to see who loved him the most, or who
would do
the most for him (R. 367). After a lengthy conversation, during which
Morris had taken his socks off, he announced, "Alright, I'll tell you girls
my answer when I get my socks on." After taking an inordinate
amount of
time putting his socks on, he got up, walked around behind them, put
an arm
on each girl, and ceremoniously stated, "I tell you this day, July 3,
1978,
I, Morris Dees, can't live without either one of you." (R. 368). At that
point, Maureene said, "I'll tell you what, Vicki, you can have him."
(R. 368).
In response to these statements by Morris, Maureene made it clear
once
again that Morris could not have them both, that he could not remain
married
to her and live with Vicki, and that he must make up his mind one way
or
another. At the conclusion of the meeting, Morris promised never to
see
Vicki again (R. 282). He told Vicki that he and Maureene had
reconciled,
and that he could not see her anymore (R. 1357). Morris himself
testified
that in Maureene's presense he told Vicki that it was all over and that
he
wouldn't see her anymore (R. 1357; 1522-1523).
D. Morris Can't Give Up His Mistress
Morris' promises did not last long. Although Maureene didn't know it at
the time, less than two weeks later he resumed his relationship with
Vicki
(R. 1523). By his own admission, he found himself unable to terminate

the
relationship with Vicki, in response to questions by his own attorney:
(At R. 366)
Q. (By Mr. Byrne) Now, give the Court some judgement about how
many times
you attempted during 1978 and 1979 to break off your relationship
with
Vicki Booker?
A. Oh, gosh, about every month I'd say. It was a continual off and on
relationship.
***
(At R. 1367)
A. (By Morris, describing Defendant's Exhibit 103, a letter from Morris

to Vicki) Well, its an undated letter. I think it was in January of
1979, and it basically described the continuing problem of we ought to
end this relationship. I'm telling her that I don't really think I've
got the strength to and I wish she would do it herself."
***
(At R. 1434)
Q. (By Mr. Smith) Let me ask you if you said this or this in substance
in response to a question by Mr. Byrne. 'I attempted every month to
break off my relationship with Vicki'.
A. I think that would be a pretty accurate statement before Maureene

left home."
Morris had been supporting Vicki since her divorce from her husband in
May, 1979, and he continued to do so as they continued their affair
even
after promising Maureene in July, 1978 that the affair was over for
good.
Morris admits to having provided the following support to Vicki during
the
eleven-month period from may, 1978 through March, 1979 (R. 1504,
et seq):
May 30, 1978 $1,500

June 6, 1978 500
June 22, 1978 1,500
July 6, 1978 1,000 (after "reconciling" with
July 30, 1978 1,500 Maureene July 3rd)
Aug. 26, 1978 1,500
Aug. 27, 1978 1,625
Sept. 20, 1978 1,500
Nov. 27, 1978 5,000
Jan. 25, 1979 5,000
March, 1979 2,000
Total $22,625

Morris stopped sending Vicki money only when the present divorce suit
was
filed (R. 1506). In addition, Morris loaned Vicki $28,000, at 8%
interest,
to enable her to purchase her former husband's interest in their home
at the
time of her divorce (R. 1351).
E. Maureene Is Compelled To Seek Divorce
In November, 1978, Morris finally admitted to Maureene that,

notwithstanding the promises that he had made in July to abandon
Vicki and
reconcile with Maureene, he had continued to see Vicki in Birmingham,
that
she was then five months pregnant with his child, and that he would
be going
to Birmingham in a few days to be with her while she had an abortion
which
Morris was paying for (R. 364). Over the next sixty days, Maureene
concluded
that he simply could not accept the situation any longer. It was
apparent
to Maureene that Morris was not going to stop seeing Vicki, and
Maureene
was not willing to live in a situation where she knew for a fact that her
husband really had, in effect, two wives (R. 412). Morris was
supporting
Vicki and had been doing so for almost a year. He treated Vicki like a
wife, supplying all of her financial and emotional needs. He was there
when
she needed him. He was spending almost half a week going back and
forth
to Birmingham two or three times a week, attempting to divide his
time
between them (R. 412). In January or February, 1979, Maureene told
Morris
that she could simply no longer accept this situation, and that she was
going to leave (R. 385). Following this conversation, Morris started
trying
to induce Maureene to execute certain agreements (which will be
discussed
in detail hereafter) that would permit each of them to have sexual
relations
with other parties (R. 385). Maureene refused to sign any of these
agreements (R. 387).
While trying to induce her to sign these agreements, Morris continued
to
tell Maureene that he loved her and that he would stop seeing Vicki (R.
390).
However, he did not stop seeing her. During this period he took Vicki
and
her children to the ballet in birmingham, and spent the night at Vicki's
house (R. 390). He met Vicki in New Orleans for the Sugar Bowl in

January,
1979, where they spent two days together (R. 1473).
In March, 1979, Maureene left Morris for the last time, and she has
lived
separate and apart from him ever since (R. 370). Morris and Vicki
moved
into the family home in Mathews (R. 370). Maureene commenced the
present
suit on March 8, 1979.
Following the final separation, Morris openly continued his relationship
with Vicki. Taking his daughter, Ellie, with him, Morris met Vicki in Los
Angeles on March 10, 1979 (R. 1473). He introduced Vicki to Ellie as
"Pat"
(R. 1475), and after leaving Los Angeles the three of them flew to Las
Vegas
together (R. 1475). They had only one room for the three of them, but
Morris claimed that Vicki sat up all night in the hotel lobby (R. 1476).
Morris took Vicki to the White House signing of the Israel-Egypt Peace
Treaty on March 26, 1979 (R. 1518). On June 4, 1979, Morris took his
daughter Ellie, and Vicki and her family, to the Grand Hotel (R. 1479).
F. Morris Sets A Trap
In February, 1979, Morris Dees realized that he was in a precarious

legal
position. He had been conducting an affair with Vicki McGaha for
almost two
years; she had become pregnant by him and had received an abortion
which he
had paid for; he was supporting her and spending most of his time
with her
and planned to continue to do so; and Maureene, who was fully aware
of all
of these facts, and stated that she could not tolerate the situation any
more and was leaving him to institute divorce proceedings. To protect
himself in the impending litigation, Morris had to find a way to
neutralize
Maureene.
In February, 1979, after Maureene informed Morris that she was
leaving him,
Morris wrote out an agreement, which he showed to her on a Sunday
afternoon,
and asked her to stay and live by this agreement (R. 385). This
agreement,
identified and introduced as Plaintiff's Exhibit 30, purported to permit
the
parties to lead separate lives but stay married, and provided that they
would not hold anything against each other that had happened either
before
or after the date of the agreement (R. 386). The first such purported
agreement (Pl. Ex. 30) provided in part as follows:
"Whereas they "Morris and Maureene) feel that they can better work
toward a more complete and satisfying relationship in their marriage

if they have an open marriage, i.e., where each party, while still
living together as man and wife, be free to have relationships with
the opposite sex, which said relationships may consist of sexual
intercourse. . ."
During the time that he was discussing this agreement and urging her
to
sign it, Morris continued to tell Maureene that he loved her and that he
had
stopped seeing Vicki (R. 390), which was another lie. Plaintiff's Exhibit
31 is another agreement which Morris drafted because he did not like
the
language of the first agreement, and contains this provision:
[PAGE 11 MISSING]
A. Prior to even drawing up these agreements, I agreed to it orally.

I have already said that . . .
Q. When did you first orally agree that your wife, your lawful wife,
could have sexual intercourse with other people?
A. About a day before this agreement was drawn up.
Q. This was some time in February?
A. Yes
Q. And it was one day preceeding the first agreement?
A. Approximately."
***
(At page 253)
"Q. You knew she (Maureene) knew about you and Vicki?
A. About the abortion, and she said, I am going to use that and I
said, Maureene, look if you have somebody you want to have sex with,
go ahead and have sex with them. We said that that night at the bar.
Q. That was clear and unmistakable?
A. Clear and unmistakable.
Q. You encouraged her to and if there was anybody --
A. If you call that encouragement --
G. Morris' Trap Works: The Hotel Room Agreement
On March 4, 1979, Maureene walked naively into the trap which Morris
had
set. On that date, she flew to Washington, D.C., where she met Brian
O'Daugharty (R. 576). Maureene knew Mr. O'Daugherty in connection
with her
work on the National Endowment, and he was the Director of the
Media Arts
Program (R. 341). Morris had told her that she could see anyone she
wanted,
as long as she was discreet (R. 578), and her flight to Washington was
booked under the name of Better Foster (R. 576). Maureene and
O'Daugherty
had dinner together on the night of March 4th, and returned to her
hotel
room (R. 578). When they were in bed together, Morris and a

Montgomery
private detective, both of whom had been hiding in the bathroom,
jumped out
and started taking photographs, Morris said word in substance as
follows:
"Alright sister, you wanted a divorce. Now I want one, because I've
got you where I want you." (R. 586)
Morris was acting crazy, and Maureene thought he was going to kill
everybody in sight. He told her that he had five detectives with him (R.
592). He hit her and gave her a busted jaw. (R. 592). He then started
writing something on paper which he then gave her to sign (R. 422-
423).
This document, entered unto evidence as Plaintiff's Exhibit 43, was a
separation agreement (R. 423). The agreement provided that Morris
was
to have custody of Ellie, the parties' nine-year old daughter. Maureene
was
to receive "25,000 alimony-in-gross upon the "execution" (sic) of a
divorce,
and that in addition she was to receive $1,500 per month as alimony
for a
period of three years from the divorce. Under this agreement,
Maureene
relinquished all claims to any real estate owned by Morris, and agreed
to
return to him the diamond ring which he had given to her. The
agreement
recites that, although it is execute on March 5th in Washington, D.C.,
it
will be notarized by an Alabama notary (the detective) and shall be
governed by the laws of Alabama. Maureene signed the agreement
because
she was afraid not to (R. 423).
After returning to Montgomery, Morris asked attorney Paul Lawrey to
handle the divorce based upon the hotel room agreement (R. 412).
Although
he knew that Maureene was already represented by Maury Smith,
Morris
instructed her to go to Paul Lowery's office for this purpose (R. 427).
She
declined to do this, and later Paul Lowery came to the house where
Maureene
was staying, with papers for her to sign, but she refused to do so
(R. 428-429).
Apparently in a last effort to induce a settlement with Maureene, Morris
later told her that he was sorry he had the photograph taken in the
hotel
room, that he should not have taken them, and that he wanted her to
have
them (R. 426). He gave them to her with instructions to destroy them,
telling her that these were the only copies (R. 426). He also gave the
original signed copy of the hotel room agreement. She tore up both

envelopes without looking inside (R. 426). Morris' statement that these
were the only copies of the photographs was another lie, since he
introduced
the photographs into evidence at the trial.
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H. Morris' Sexual Appetite
Maureene was literally force to file suit for divorce in March, 1979,
because of Morris' obstinate refusal to give up his mistress who he was
then supporting and who had become pregnant by him. However,
Maureene
did not give up her marriage easily. Prior to Morris' permanent
involvement with the McGaha woman, Maureene had endured a long
series
of degrading incidents which evidenced Morris' voracious and eclectic
sexual appetite. Since early in their marriage, Morris repeatedly
bragged
to Maureene that with his looks and his money he could have any
woman
he wanted, and he constantly bragged about women propositioning
him

(R. 350, et seq). [Some insight into the size of Morris' ego is provided
by his letter of January 22, 1979, to "Ham" Jordan (a copy of which he
sent to Vicki) in which he makes application to be appointed Attorney
General of the United States to replace Griffin Bell, giving as one of his
principal qualifications the fact that "... all my life, I have been a
winner."] (Pl. Ex. 91). Later in the marriage he repeatedly told her of
women that he had had sexual intercourse with during the marriage
(R. 354).
He said further that he enjoyed trying to turn on gay people and he
expressed a desire to have an experience with a gay (R. 354).
Early in the larriage, Morris gave her a book on "Open Marriage" and
started encouraging her to have sexual intercourse with other men
(R. 419-420). During the year or so after they were married,
Maureene
became aware that her husband was having an affair with a woman
name
Becky Logan (R. 458). During the same period, she began receiving
anonymous telephone calls concerning her husband and a black
woman
in town (R. 459).
A. Dianne Hicks. In his deposition, Morris admits that in
the spring of 1973 (Morris depo. p. 27), or during the summer of
1973 (Morris depo. p. 25), he had an affair with Dianne Hicks, a
Mobile lawyer who was working for the Southern Poverty Law Center
(Morris depo. p. 25). He had sex with her during a canoe trip down
the Tallapoosa River (Morris depo. p.25), and also in Brewton where
they were working together on a trial (Morris depo. p. 26-27).
B. Cathy Bennett. in the fall of 1974, Morris brought to
the family home in Mathews a girl named Cathy Bennett who was a
psychologist who had worked with Morris on several cases (R. 284).
She stayed in their home in Mathews for about a week, during which
time theu had Bobby Kennedy there as a guest (R. 285). Maureene was
suspicious of her husband's relationship with this girl (R. 286),
and later Morris admitted having an affair with her (R. 1325).
Morris told Mrs. Dees that his affair with her was over in December,
1974, But she later found that he and Cathy continued to conduct an
affair in Atlanta where Morris lived for a period during the Jimmy
Carter campaign (R. 287, 291).
C. Judith Rogers. in the fall of 1977 (R. 1344), Morris
and Maureene held a Little Theatre party at their home, attended by
Dr. Rogers, a Montgomery physician, and his wife Judith, who is a
criminal psychologist (R. 292, 1344, 1345). During the party Morris
admits that he took Judith into a back room of his house, while the
party was going on, and had intercourse with her (R. 1344, 293).
D. Deborah Levy. In the spring of 1976, Morris invited to
the house Deborah Levy who worked for the American Civil Liberties
Union in New York, and the man with whome she lived in New York,
Michael Gaas (R. 299, 303). The Southern Poverty Law Center was
considering starting a magazine in opposition to the death penalty,
and Morris was interviewing Deborah Levy for the job of running the
magazine (R. 301). She was not hired for the job, but she and her
boyfriend did visit the Dees home in Mathews for several days on two
different occasions (R. 301). in August, 1976, Morris and Maureene

took them on a canoe trip down the river (R. 202-203). After
supper, they had all gone to bed in sleeping bags, when Maureene
woke up and found Morris and Deborah naked, having sex on the
sandbar (R. 306). Morris turned to Maureene and insisted that she
have sex with the other man. (R. 306). Later Maureene went back to
sleep and woke up shortly before dawn, and found Morris and Deborah
having intercourse again right next to her (R. 307). While having
intercourse with Deborah, Morris leaned over and kissed Maureene (R.
308). The next morning Maureene objected strongly to the night's
events and stated emphatically that she did not want anything of
that nature to happen again (R. 309). The following month, in
September, 1976, she and Morris went to New York for a tennis
tournament and to take one of the children to a special school in
Boston (R. 310). Over Maureene's objections, Morris insisted upon
visiting Deborah Levy and Michael Gaas (R. 310). While the group
was having dinner together in a restaurant Maureene, returning from
the restroom, overheard Morris and Deborah making plans to be
together
the following afternoon (R. 315). Later when confronted with this
Morris admitted having such plans (R. 320). Later in a conversation
among the four of them, Morris stopped the conversation in the
middle and said to Michael Gaas "I've just got to tell you this
because I feel bad about it. I want to tell you that Deborah and I
were planning to go off this afternoon and make love and I just want
to tell you that." (R. 322). This embarassed Maureene and made her
furious (R. 324). Gaas responded that if that's what Morris was here
to do he should just get up and go do it, following which Morris and
Deborah got up and went into the bedroom where they remained for
about forty-five minutes (R. 325, et seq). While they were gone
Maureene had sexual intercourse with Michael (R. 326). Afterward
Morris left the apartment, returned in about thirty minutes and hit
Michael in the face (R. 327).
E. Pamela Horowitz. In the spring of 1977 Morris planned a
trip to Kentucky and invited Maureene to go with him, knowing that
she could not go becuase she was in rehearsal for a play (R. 330).
Over Maureene's objection, he took with him, on his motorcycle
Pamela Horowitz, a lawyer working for the Southern Poverty Law
Center at that time (R. 331). He drove the motorcycle and she rode
behind him from Montgomery to Kentucky, and they were gone for four
or five days, during which they shared the same hotel accomodations
(R. 331-332) F. Charlie Springman (homosexual). On August 11, 1978,
Maureene and Morris' tenth anniversary, they were having dinner at
the Watergate Hotel in Washington, D.C., and afterward had drinks in
the bar (R. 333, et seq). In the bar, they saw Charlie Springman,
who Maureene knew as a Regional Coordinator for the National
Endownment of the Arts (R. 335). She had told Morris that Springman
was gay, but Morris had never met him. When they saw him in the
bar, Morris suggested inviting him over for a drink (R. 335). After
a while, to Maureene's surprise, Morris suggested that Charlie come
up to the room with them (R. 336). In the room, they drank wine and
talked, and Morris unbuttoned his shirt to the waist (R. 336).
Charlie tried to leave several times but Morris wouldn't let him (R.
337). Finally Morris proposed that Charlie spend the night with

them (R. 337). Mrs. Dees protested, and put on her robe and
nightgown to go to bed (R. 337-338). Soon Charlie and Morris were
in the bed naked, with Maureene in the middle with her gown on (R.
338-339). Springman and Morris hugged and kissed, and Morris tried
to get Charlie to have relations with Maureene, but Springman was
physically unable to because he was not interested (R. 340). In
fact, no one made any effort to have sex with Mrs. Dees during this
incident (R. 341). Springman kissed Morris' penis, and in fact,
Morris complained that he bit him and that it hurt (R. 340). Morris
kissed Springman on Springman's penis (R. 341). After about thirty
minutes they all went to sleep (R. 342). When Maureene woke up the
next morning, Morris was gone (R. 342), but Springman was still
asleep in the bed. After five or ten minutes Morris returned and
found Maureene crying. He apologized for the incident and said that
he would not let anything like that happen again (R. 343). Morris
denies parts of this episode, he admits its essential features:
Morris admits that he invited Springman to the room (R. 1571); that
Maureene put on a nightgown and robe and got into bed (R. 1537);
that Morris got into bed with nothing but his underclothes on (R.
1575); and that Springman got into the bed naked (R. 1590).
G. Morris' Step-Daughter. Holly Buck, Maureene's daughter
by a previous marriage, is eighteen years old (R. 728). She was
seven years old when her mother and Morris married, and she has
lived with them in the house at Mathews from then until the
separation (R. 728). Holly testified that, in the summer of 1977,
Morris attempted to molest her in the following incident (R. 729):
One night Maureene and Morris were sitting drinking wine and
discussing a case Morris was trying. She was with them. Around
eleven or twelve o'clock Maureene went to bed and Holly stayed up
with Morris discussing the case. Morris kept offering Holly wine,
some of which she accepted. At Morris' suggestion, they went
outside to the pool, and he suggested that they go for a swim, but
Holly was tired and declined (R. 731). She went to her room and
then went into the bathroom. Looking out the window, she saw Morris
in the bushes beside the bathroom window looking in (R. 731). She
said "Morris, is that you", but he said nothing and ran away (R.
732). Two months later, she was asleep one night and Morris entered
her room from Ellie's room, through the bathroom. He was in his
underwear and he sat on the bed where Holly was lying on her stomach
facing away from the door. He touched her on the back and woke her
up. He told her that he had brough her a present, and he presented
her with a vibrator. He plugged it in and said he had brought it to
her. He proceeded to rub it on her back and said, "Let me show you
how to use it" (R. 733). She said that's not necessary, but he
started to place it between her legs when she raised he voice and
said no loudly. He then took the vibrator and left (R. 734). All
he had on was a pair of bikini underwear shorts (R. 734). About two
hours later, she had fallen back asleep and he came back in (R.
735). He brought the vibrator with him, plugged it in and said
again, "Let me show you how to use it." He tried to show her again
by putting it between her legs, but she raised her voice again and
he stopped. He took it and left (R. 635). She did not tell her
mother about this incident until the separation when they moved out

of the Mathews house in the spring of 1979 (R. 736).

H. Morris' Future Daughter-in-law. Karen Sherman Dees is
Morris' daughter-in-law, who is married to Morris' son Scooter
(Morris, III) (R. 345). Before Karen and Scooter were married, when
they were eighteen or nineteen, which was three or four years ago,
an incident occurred on Mother's Day at the family home in Mathews
(R. 345). The Dees had Karen and Scooter to dinner at the house,
and they cooked out (R. 346). While Scooter and Maureene were
cleaning up and washing dishes, Karen and Morris went out to go
swimming (R. 345). Five or ten minutes later, Maureene and Scooter
started down the path toward the pool, with Maureene in front. As
she approached the gate, she could see Morris and Karen standing
with their arms around each other with no clothes on, and Morris had
an erection. Maureene immediately turned and told Scooter that she
did not want to go swimming and the two of them headed back to the
house without Scooter having seen anything (R. 347). Later, Karen
and Morris returned from the pool, fully dressed, and the group
stayed in the den for a little while (R. 349). Morris got up and
went to bed, and Maureene joined him a few minutes later. While
lying in the bed, Maureene looked up and saw that Karen had entered
the room (R. 349). She didn't have any clothes on but had a towel
or sheet wrapped around her (R. 350). She came over and got in the
bed on Morris' side (R. 350). Nothing happened, but she remained
there for about ten minutes, and eventually got up and left
(R.350-351). Morris told Maureene that he just couldn't understand
why she came in the room (R. 351).
In 1974 and 1976, after Maureene had become aware of some of
Morris' infidelities, she had two brief sexual liasons; one with
Charles Morgan, with whom she was co-starring in a Little Theatre
production, and the other with Steve Denton, who was visiting in
Montgomery for a tennis tournament.
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04-28-2010 08:35 PM
duncan Smearing the WTO Protests

Moderator
by Rick Giombetti
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado In the annals of non-profit scam outfits Morris Dees' Montgomery,
Posts: 9017 Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center is the undisputed king,
with an endowment of over $100 million, as it was reported in the
March 16-30 issue of CounterPunch(www.counterpunch.org). Said
millions are raised by the SPLC's persistent fund-raising campaigns
scaring its donors, many of them low-income, into believing the
factually inane notion that the racist far right is on the verge of a
political takeover of the entire country. Dees never gives up. His
countenance can be counted on to appear on at least one national
television news program the minute an act of racist violence has
been committed and receives national media attention. In reality the
SPLC is little more than a spying agency for the state and if anybody
doubted this before, then I suggest they check out the SPLC's latest
quarterly "Intelligence Report," an apropos name for its quarterly
publication, on the Internet at www.splcenter.org.
The unauthored article "Neither Left Nor Right" was reported in the
same issue of CounterPunch mentioned above. The article is basically
a hack piece cheapshotting the many fine politically left groups that
organized the civil disobedience that disrupted the opening
ceremonies of the WTO on November 30. Said article purports the
protests were infiltrated by fascists who subscribe to a politics
dubbed the "European-style Third Position," where the far left and
right find common ground in fighting the forces of corporate
globalization. The article confidently states, not sourced, that "in at
least one case, [racists] fought it out with black youth amidst the
tear gas." The article only sources far right racists and their green
leanings leading the uninformed reader to equate environmentalism
with racism. The article also cites the internal policy debates within
the Sierra Club on the topic of immigration, again giving the false
impression of a non-existent alliance between the left and right.
There have been and are still plenty of people on the racist right who
have fashioned themselves as ecologists. What does that have to do
with organizations like Earth First!, who are named in the article but
not given any space to defend their own position on the issue of
racism? The one topic CounterPunch does not raise in its coverage of
the SPLC article is COINTELPRO. A good question to ask is whether
Dees' article was not written at the behest of the FBI or the White
House itself. After all, the best bet when you take up an unpopular
position like defending the WTO, as Clinton has done since its
creation, is to smear the opposition with the "r" word.

underground newspaper I published before moving to Seattle. Philp
was unfairly smeared by the SPLC and the Anti-Defamation League
as a racist for his attendance of the Christian identity La Porte Church
of Christ, located north of Fort Collins. Philp never became a member

of said church and a photo of him marching arm in arm with two
black men in a 1990 Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday event hardly fits
the description of a far right racist. Philp puts forward an interesting
theory on why organizations like the ADL and the SPLC spy that
seems to make sense to me.
employed its Counter Intelligence Program, or COINTELPRO, to
repress political dissent, says Philp. Therefore, today, the FBI hires
scam outfits like the ADL and the SPLC instead to spy on political
dissidents, which includes anti-IMF, World Bank, and WTO
organizations. The time is long overdue for liberals who fashion
themselves as champions of civil liberties to stop giving their ill-spent
money to spy outfits like the ADL and SPLC.
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duncan F*CK THE GUARD or FTG

Moderator
"F*CK THE GUARD" was term we often used when I served in the US
Registered: Jul 2003 Coast Guard and the initials FTG could be found scrawled in nearly every
Posts: 9017 sh*tter of every CG Cutter. The sentiment was unanimous throughout.
I will start this thread again and this time with out any interruption from
war mongers and bushnik scum who had come here a few years back to
spit on this veteran of the USCG because those nationalists did like the
use of my property i.e. a red white and blue rag made in China, which
was used to wipe my a$$ with.
I was young and dumb and felt that I should join the military when I had
left high school back in May of 1975. My father served in the navy and
his father was drafted into the army during WWI and my grandfathers
grandfather had served in the 32nd Illinois infantry under General
Sherman.
The list of family members who had served in the military is wide and
http://www.copwatch.net/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=34148 (1 of 24)7/12/2010 1:07:22 AM

deep and goes all the way back to the American Revolution, but I'm sure
that the reader does not care to hear it all. Suffice it to say, me and
mine don't owe the fed or anyone else a f8cking thing, we have all paid
our dues and now it is the fed's turn to pays it dues to us. And trust me,
you federal scum you are gonna pay. No one in my family was ever a
lifer to make a life's career of being a tax consuming parasite. One term
and we were out to go back to work in the private sector.
Why the USCG? Why not? Six of one, half a dozen of another, they all
suck alike anyway.
I once saw a movie titled "Onionhead' starring Andy Griffith. The film
was written by William R. Scott, who had done time in the USCG during
WWII and decided to share his experience with the public in the form of
a book. I was intrigued by the small swift boats with their big guns on
the bow. I would later do my own time on a CG patrol boat. I can think
of no other reason for my joining. Dad joined the navy and I would join
the Coast Guard and at the time it seemed like a good idea and the right
thing to do. Little did I know at the time that it would be a waste of time
and man power.
I didn't join for the glory, as there was no war going on at the time. In
fact at the time it was considered to be politically incorrect to join the
military due to fall out and the aftermath of the war with North Vietnam.
I didn't join for the money. The military was paying less than minimum
wage in 1976 and at the time minimum wage was $2.25 an hour. I didn't
join for the job training and I never received any that would contribute to
my working in the private sector. I didn't join for the benefits and I never
got any.
But according to the glory hogs of today only their time counts. Real
popular to join these days and so what if you do? When this war ends,
and it will, ten years from now no one will give a flying f*ck what you did
during the war in fact they might even spit on you. Most of society has
forgotten about Vietnam, the only ones to remember are the sixty year
old's whom I see at the VA arguing with a VA employee about getting the
benefits they were promised, but never got.
Trust me folks, the vast majority of people in this country really don't
give a f*ck about what you did in the military.
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03-16-2009 08:28 PM
duncan It was May of '75 and I was done with the evil Green Mountain High
Moderator School. We would all see in April of 1999 how evil this school district
really is. The infamous Columbine High was just few miles down the road
Registered: Jul 2003 from Green Mountain and both schools continue to be a tribute to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Lakewood, Colorado and yuppiedom that exist there to date. When had I
Posts: 9017
left in '75 I had no idea that I would be back in 2007 to attend the
Colorado School of Trades and receive a AOS degree in gunsmithing,
thanks to the FBI and one Darren Morrison.
I was still 17 and had to wait a few months until I would turn 18 before I
could join. I joined at the Dallas, Texas recruiting station in the
downtown district. I was given an ASVAB test and told that I would need
to take a physical. After I was done with the physical I was sworn in and
instructed to sign several documents. One document, which I have in my
possession, stated that I was found to suffer from being color blind and
as a result of this I would NOT be allowed to be rated in certain
professions. The list of professions was nearly all the professions that the
CG had to offer. I was told that I could be a cook or a yeoman.
How nice, get me to sign the papers and swear me in and then lay the
bomb shell on me. I wanted to be an electricians mate, but this one fell
under the NO GO list. In the private sector I was a construction
electrician for six years and nothing ever blew up or got cross wired
when I did it. So I thought aobut being a gunners mate, but this one was
on the NO GO list as well. I graduated from a gun smithing school and
have worked on many a gun without any of the guns I worked on ever
going bad or misfiring. Are we starting to get the picture of how the
military works?
No one wants to be a f8cking cook or pussyfied yeoman so the fed has to

create bullsh*t in order to force people to accept these crap rates. Rates
that will be of little or no use to people when they get out of the service
to go to work in the private sector. This would not be the first or the last
a$$ f*cking I would get from the military.
I had four years of nothing to look forward to, not even a decent pay
check. FTG would be the theme for next four years. I was sent home and
told to wait for few months before I would go to boot camp.
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03-16-2009 08:46 PM
duncan June 6,1976 I was to report back to the Dallas recruiting station and
Moderator form Dallas be flown to Alameda, California.
Registered: Jul 2003 Alameda/TRACEN was the home of the other Coast Guard boot camp and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the training center for certain rates. Alameda/ TRACEN was a man made
Posts: 9017 island, man made by the navy and with the navy's garbage. It was an
old garbage dump for the navy.
We had to go through a more rigorous physical and couple men were let
go one guy had a bad heart and another had VD. They had determined
that I had a pair of flat feet. Oh joy!!!! I was made to run and run and
run every where we went. Run in morning, run to breakfast, run to the
barracks, run to class, run to lunch, run back to the barracks, run to
class, run to dinner, run back to the barracks and finally run all evening
on the grinder. One night we ran all night and lost many a fellow coastie
to AWOL after that night of running. Running is not a good thing for a
guy with flat feet. This would be the second f*cking.
A couple of petty officers, or Recruit Company Commanders, were upset

with me to learn that I was color blind, like it was all my fault. They
thought that I was bluffing to avoid going to sea as people who are color
blind are not allowed to do duty on board a ship or boat. I'm suppose to
know this? I learned about it while serving on board a ship. My entire
time, save the two months in boot camp and four months spent on a CG
base was all sea time. Three years and six months worth of sea time.
If you are color blind then they will apply the rule of NOT being allowed
to go out for all but two ratings, but the other rule does not apply when
being sent to do sea duty. Everyone in the CG does sea duty, it ain't the
navy. F&cking number three.
I joined to go to sea and was not looking to get out of anything. This was
the CG's rule not mine and I never invoked it. I could have crossed the
bridge and walked off that island at anytime, but when one does this
they will get a "General Discharge" and at the time that was not a good
thing to do. Now a days it means nothing and if receiving a General
Discharge means nothing these days than neither does an Honorable
Discharge. The private sector doesn't care if you did your time or not.
My complaints are minimal compared to f*cking other people received

from the military. My point here is to show that the thing doesn't work
and needs to be abolished. You will see what I mean as we go along with

the rest of my story.
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03-16-2009 09:10 PM
duncan The Coast Guard motto is "Semper Paratus". Coasties would simply tell
Moderator one other that it was "Simply F*cked Us". Not only did the Guard f*ck us,
but they also f*cked the taxpayers as well.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado It's not so much that members of the USCG hated the CG , but rather the
Posts: 9017 CG hated us. This would be the only explianation as to why so many of us
got treated by the fed in an ugly way and by that infamous peanut farmer
Jimmy Carter.
All federal agenices have to justify a need for their pathetic existence and
the CG is no different. Why does the fed need two navies? Why indeed. I
recently picked up an old book at the local used book store titled "The
Story of the Coast Guard" by Riley Brown. Brown was obiviously a lifer
who has dedicated his life to being a tax consumer and spent much of his
time defending the need for the other tax funded navy. The book was
published in 1939 but the language and BS is the same as today.
The book is filled with embellished sea stories of bravery and heroism.
Much to do about nothing. One of Brown's stories involves the rescue of
the Uvira, a ship that was sailing off the coast of Cape Hatteras and had
ran into some trouble. Brown goes on a rant about how a local reporter
made the claim that the CG had charged the Uvira a towing fee.
"The service that the Coast Guard affords distressed mariners is free:"
Brown Page 115
Bullf7cking sh8t. Nothing that the fed does is ever free, someone has to
pay and that some is you and me paying to tow a ship to dock that we
don't own nor have any responsiblity to. Keep in mind the book was
written in 1939 and no doubt the owner of the Uvira did not pay a dime to
have his boat towed to shore, but today in 2009 the CG would send the

guy a towing bill.
Is the CG of any service to those of us who don't live along the shore line?
Or even those of us who don't own a boat or a ship? Nope, but we are
made to pay taxes for this non-service.
Brown dedicates and entire chapter to rum runners and his language blew
me away. It was the same old crap they had fed me and the general
public in regards to the need for a drug war during the 1970's. In seventy
years not a f*cking thing has changed for the better. The CG can and will
board a boat without a warrant and without any sort reason other than
they can.
"The passage of the Eighteenth Amendment to the Constitution of the

United States plunged the Coast Guard into a bitter war that was to last
nearly fourteen years." Brown page 146
Shazaam!!!!, These c*cksuckers have all been reading from the same
exact script. Like no Coastie ever put a drink of that illegal whiskey to his
lips during that entire fourteen years of the so-called war on booze. Every
other fellow Coastie I knew smoked pot, did a little coke and drank all the
liquor we could handle. I once saw an MK1 flip out on the dock due to his
being on PCP and it took four Coasties and three Orange County deputies
to subdue the guy. As for myself and to quote a former president "I never
inhaled."
One story Brown offers is about a guy by the name of James Horace
Alderman aka The King of Rum Runners.
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James Horace Alderman (in some sources Aldermon) (died August 17,
1929) was an alcohol smuggler during the prohibition era in the United
States, called the King of the Rum Runners. He was executed by the
federal government for killing on a high seas of U.S. Coastguardsmen
Sidney Sanderlin, Victor A. Lamby and Robert K. Webster, a Secret
Service agent off southeast Florida, near Fort Lauderdale.
Crime took place August 7, 1927. He was tried under Sections 272, 273,
275 of the U. S. Criminal Code. In January, 1928 he was sentenced to
death by U. S. District Judge Henry D. Clayton. President Herbert Hoover
declined clemency.
His hanging was initially schedulded to be carried out in Broward County

jail, but the County Commissioners declined, insisted a U. S. hanging
should occur on U. S. property (from 1924 all executions by the state of
Florida were carried out by electric chair). Finally Alderman was executed
on newly erected gallows in a metal hangar of the U. S. Coast Guard
station near Fort Lauderdale. Media witnesses were barred from watching
execution.
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Alderman had whacked three federal employees back in 1927. The real
hero in my book, were not the guys he whacked, but rather Alderman
himself. His boat was boarded without a warrant and without any
provocation, other than Alderman's boat was listed on a CG hit sheet.
Alderman did in fact have some of that evil booze on board his boat, but

so what? Was it worth getting killed for? Was it worth destroying

Alderman's life over? The CG had killed Alderman's pals over this same
thing, all for a lousy bottle of booze and to justify a need for the existence
of the USCG. War on what? Booze or Liberty? Brown made the cliam that
it was a War and in every war people gonna die. So why does he whine
about these three men getting killed for a few bottles of booze? A pathetic
need to justify the USCG's existence and done with false appeals to pity
and emotion and this how the f8cking fed has done it for the last one
hundred years. In this case four people died over the war on booze. Was
it worth it? Nope. I'd ask Brown this same question but he's dead and
buried, but his BS lives on in his book.
Thanks to Alderman and people like him the Eighteenth Amendment no

longer exists. For a short time we had Liberty again until the f8cking Drug
War came along.
Brown has another story about one Captian John Randall and his boat the
I'm Alone. Randall was also a famous rum runner who fought for Liberty.
http://www.newfoundlandshipwrecks.c...0rum-runner.htm
John Thomas Randell, who has been called "The Most Famous Rum-
Runner of Them All", was captain of the rum-runner I'm Alone, sunk by
the United States Coast Guard in 1929. He has been accused of glorifying
and exaggerating his exploits in his autobiography. However, a decorated
veteran of three wars who went to sea at the age of twelve can be
forgiven if he embellished his extraordinary life. His wife, all too well
aware of the veracity of her husband's less savoury exploits, not wishing
them to be made public, destroyed as many copies of his autobiography
as she could obtain.1 Unfortunately, his brief rum-running career appears
to be the sole activity for which he is remembered and has eclipsed his
more legitimate, sometimes heroic endeavours.
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Oh well if you have to be remembered for something why not rum

running?
The CG sunk his ship for no other reason than he was a suspected rum
runner. No booze was ever found on board and Randall was a citizen of
the UK, but this wouldn't stop the USCG from destroying his property.
"I'm outside the treaty boundry. I'm on the high seas." - Randall to
Boatswain Paul of the USCG Cutter Wolcott Brown page 164
"When this chase started , you were within the boundry. That's the
principle of the 'hot chase". - Paul to Randall" Brown page 164
And of course that USA principle does not apply to a foriegn national. "Hot
pursuit" was the term we used in the 1970's, meaning that as long as we
had a suspect in our sights we could follow the guy all the way around the
world if need be. It was a lame a$$ argument on the part of Paul. He may
have seen randall inside the boundry but he intially stopped Randall and
boarded the I'm Alone outside the boundry. Paul was asked by Randall to
parley and talk about the issue and to make the point to Paul that he was
British subject and as such not under the jurisdiction of the USCG. Paul
could have cared less, otherwise how he could jusitfy his existence if had
to let Randall go?

They were doing this crap way back in 1929 people.
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03-18-2009 07:11 PM
duncan USCG Cutter Sedge aka The Black P*g

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The Sedge
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duncan What you see before you is a CG Bouy Tender that was stationed for a
Moderator long time in Homer, Alaska. The Sedge would be my first duty station out
of boot camp. The Black P8g, as we often referred to this hunk of scrap
Registered: Jul 2003 metal, was a 180' long, had a crew of 57 men and was originally
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado commisioned in 1944.
Posts: 9017
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The U.S. Coast Guard Cutter (USCGC) Sedge was the thirty-fifth of the
thirty-nine original 180' Seagoing Buoy Tenders built for the USCG.
Commissioned on July 5, 1944 and immediately assigned to the Territory
of Hawaii, USCGC Sedge soon began her long stint of service in the
Pacific. Shortly after arriving at her first homeport of Honolulu, Sedge
went to war. The cutter served in the Pacific Theater from 1944 to 1945.
Working in Guam, Okinawa, Anguar, Midway, Pearl Harbor, and Shanghai,
Sedge was responsible for tending aids throughout the Pacific.
On February 26, 1947, the Sedge was decommissioned during the phase-
down following the war. Moth-balled until September 24, 1949, she was
then towed to Kennydale, Washington by the Wachusett. The Sedge was
recommissioned in Seattle, Washington on April 14, 1950. Her first draft
of orders made Boston, Massachusetts her homeport. The orders to the
Atlantic were canceled on May 1, 1950 and new ones ordered her to
Kodiak, Alaska. After seven years of service in Kodiak, Sedge was
transferred to Cordova, Alaska on July 15, 1957. On April 28, 1973,
USCGC Sedge departed Cordova for Coast Guard Yard in Curtis Bay,
Maryland for major renovation. This program extended the service life or
the cutter - updating the main propulsion machinery, replacing electric
buoy handling systems with hydraulics, installing a new bow thruster, and
improving accomodations. After the extensive yard period, Sedge recieved
the crew from the USCGC Ironwood and was recommissioned on July 25,
1974. On August 15, 1974, Sedge and her crew departed for Homer, her
new Alaskan homeport. She arrived in Homer on November 8, 1974.
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I would arrive in September of 1976. The Black P8g was over 32 years of
age when I had arrived and it showed. That big yellow looking thingy in
the middle of the ship is NOT a cannon, but a boom which was used to
pick up bouys out of the ocean. The Sedge had two distinct features i.e. it
had an ice breaking hull, not commonly found on most bouy tenders and it
had a 20mm cannon on the gun tub, no other bouy tender in the CG fleet
had a cannon on it at the time. The Sedge had one geographic distinction,
it was stationed the farthest north of any ship in the CG or the USN.
I often tell people that I was a post Vietnam war veteran and as such I
suffer from PTSD. I still have flash backs and night mares of drowning in
shallow water until I stand up. Or I tell people that I was a Cold War
veteran who served in the cold of Alaska.
I really love to tell folks that I was in the USCG Special Forces and served
as a WALRUS who protected CG Aids to Navigation from the Russians.
You would be suprised at the number of idiots who believe this stuff.
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03-18-2009 07:38 PM
duncan For my crime of being young and stupid. I would be sentenced by the fed
Moderator to do 18 months of cold labor on the Sedge. Doing time on the Sedge
was a lot like doing time in a prison. All the non-married personal had to
Registered: Jul 2003 live on board the ship and we would only see liberty two days in a row
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado and have to stand watch one day and only if we weren't out to sea.
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Ensign Freeman had once calculated that out of the eighteen months we
had spent together on the Sedge, 15 months of it was spent at sea.
The Sedge was docked at the end of the spit and about seven miles from
Homer itself. This land of spit was had been created by an eathquake
that had occurred in the '60's and it was about four miles long and
hundred yards wide until you came to the end of it. And at the end of the
spit there was a harbor for the fishing vessels, a cannery and two bars i.
e. the Salty Dawg Saloon and the Porpoise Room. We spent lots of time
at both bars. The Salty Dawg is still in business and the other bar burned
to the ground years ago.
You will discover real quick that most of your recreation time will be
spent getting drunk. There was little else to do as there was no
televisions, no radios, no women, no cars and no fun. When we were
docked I would go into town and stock up on books and in order to make
room for the books in ship locker I had to sh*t can nearly all of my dress
uniforms.
The life of a young Coastie was such a joy. I slept in berthing area with
17 other men and we all shared two showers and two sh*tters. There
was NO privacy at all, none, nada, zip.
Our daily routine consisted of wasting a lot of time. Wake up eat

breakfast, report to muster, report to a safety meeting, TURN TWO or in
laymen's term's F*UCK OFF. Myself and Seaman Rhodes would sing a
little Bee Gee tune that we had altered just a bit called "Chip and
Sewgee". We had to chip the paint form the bulkhead if any rust had
bled through and if we weren't chipping away then we were cleaning the

bulkheads off with a green brillo pad and a can of comet.
The point was to look busy and never accomplish a f7cking thing. This is
what the entire military is all about. Looking busy and looking good at it.
While the non-rates were looking busy the petty officers would be hiding
out in one of the ships offices, the petty officer quarters or the mess hall
drinking coffee.
The only time we really worked is when we had to pluck those buoys out
of the sea prior to winter setting in. And that's when it got interesting
and dangerous.
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03-19-2009 06:07 PM
duncan What the f*ck is a buoy? Funny you should ask, because prior to seeing
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Registered: Jul 2003 It floats in the sea and serves as a resting place for seagulls and seals to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado hang out and take a sh8t on. I'm kidding of course. It tells ships to
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shoals.
The Sedge had to pluck all the buoys in the Cook Inlet out of the inlet
prior to winter due to the fact that when the water freezes it will drag
down a buoy and destroy it. The buoy is attached to a chain and the
chain is attached to cement block style anchor. One can imagine the
danger factor when trying to man handle a buoy while the sea is swelling
up and down and sea waves that hit the ship while men or on the buoy
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I think I had been on board for only one week, when we had a suprise
Registered: Jul 2003 inspection from the District Admiral. That was so nice of the Admiral
Posts: 9017 Hayes to fly in all the way from Juneau just to say "Hi" to the boys.
Hayes later went on to be the Coast Guard Commandant and has since
died. He died in 2001, he was struck by car. Opps!!! I'll bet that hurt.
While Hayes was checking us out we had recieved an SOS call from a few
folks cliaming to be stranded on St. Augustine Island. We all loaded up
and headed to the volcano that had once erupted during the '60's and
created a tsumani that had left much of the Alaska coastline in shambles.
When we had arrived several men were sent ashore to bring the
castaway's on board the ship to include a dead guy that would be placed
in the food locker for safe keeping. The stranded ones were nothing
more than bunch of hippes looking for a free ride home. They had all
hitched a ride to the island from a local fisherman, who refused to pick
them up and bring them all back because they had refused to pay him.
The dead guy was clamming with the use of ankle weights and the
current dragged him under water and he drowned, or so his hippie pals
told us. The Coasties who picked these folks off the shore, first decided
walked around a bit to check things out and noticed that the hippes had
several cases of beer, plenty to eat and small motorcyle. Ummmm, and
me thinks that they were all planning on coming back. The hippes seem
not care much about their dead friend.
The Coast Guard was often used as nothing more than a free taxi cab
ride home and at the expense of all the taxpayers. We arrived back to
Homer that night and the next day I had the morbid duty of taking the
dead guy out of the food locker and up to the dock for the ambulance

guy to cart off. I had the assitance of Seaman Rhodes and SN Quassa.
When we laid the dead guy out onto the gurney Quassa was trying to
shove the guy's head into the body bag as if the guy were piece of
luggage.
Me- Jack what are you doing? That guy's not a piece of luggage.
Quassa - It don't make no difference Philp he's dead.
How true and you can never argue with a Texican, that would be like
arguing with a ret@rd.
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duncan We would make lots and lots of trips to the Coast Guard Air Station at
Moderator Kodiak Island for re-supply. While at the air base we would make lots
and lots of trips to the non-com club for lots and lots of booze. At the
Registered: Jul 2003 entrance of the bar, was a very large and fully stuffed, Kodiak Brown
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Bear. We were told that this bear had managed to shove two marines
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and a jeep off a cliff and was later hunted down by a few coasties for the
crime of murder. That bear didn't have the balls to shove coasties off any
cliff.
The air base was also the home of a few CGC's including the CGC Citrus.
The Citrus was also a 180 ft buoy tender, but it never left the dock. This
ship's chian locker was so rusted out that it would take on water and it
was to much trouble and to much of a cost to fix the problem. So the
Citrus stayed docked for years and years and years. We simply reffered
to the Citrus as USCG Base Citrus, a base that served no funciton other
than to serve as home for fifty men. The CG kept this worthless bouy
tender docked so that they could steal more tax dollars form the
taxpayers and done under the guise that the 17 CG District needed the
money for the up keep of six buoy tenders and not five. How lovely and
remember that motto of the CG? "Simply F7cked Us"
The Sedge also had work the area that the Citrus was suppose to work,
which would include all of Kodiak Island and the Shelikof Straits. Well at
least we got to see alot of scenery.
On one of our many stays at the air station we would be given one week
worths of trianing on how to survive in the wilderness. Two days of class
and three days of living in the wilds of Alaska. No guns, no food, nothing
at all, just me and shipmates. We were made to break up into small
groups and build make shift shelters and then go out and forage for
food. We ate mussels that we had found near the beach. One guy snuk
in a few dry soup packets and we would add this in the mix for taste. The
ships cook had infiltared our camp and stole the remianing packets and
thisguy went on to be a lifer in the CG. Another groupw as out foraging
for food and cmae across a hunter who had bagged a few ducks and he
offered to give the coasites all of his ducks until one idiot radioman righ
out of boot camp and school opened his f*cking mouth.
RM - I' sorry sir but we are not allowed to take gifts from civilians.
The other guys beat the crap out of him later. This goof later got his
legged caught in with a very large rope tied to a chalk bit and broke his

it three places. I saw him at a CG Base in San Pedro, CA many months

later and he was still in a cast. The Guard was filled with people who ha
an IQ of less than 50, most of whom went on to be lifer's. And at the
time CG personel were called the 'Cream of the Crop", so the would
mean that the other branches had a collective IQ of 40.
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03-22-2009 06:30 PM
duncan CGI stands for Coast Guard Intelligence. This of couse is an oxy-moron,
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Registered: Jul 2003 While at the sir station and getting drunk at the base bar I had a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado moment and decide to punch a glass window in the bathroom. The
Posts: 9017 window lost the fight.
The next morning I was met with in board the ship by two members of
the CGI. They asked me if I was one who punched the window and I told
them that I was. They then wanted to know if they could look at my belt
knife and I handed it over to them. After inspecting the knife they
wanted to know if I had been slashing the tires of CG vehicles and I told
them no.
All CG knifes are alike, simply looking at my knife for tire marks won't
work. They had an idea on what date the tires were slashed and they
could have simply checked the ships log to see when the Sedge had been
docked in Kodiak and to know if I had been on base the day the tires in
question had been slashed. But NOOOOO they needed to justify their
pathetic existence and I doubt if they ever even caught the guy. Looks
like the boys on base were as discontented with the CG as we were on

the Sedge.
The CG does not have a military police per say and I was suprised to
learn that they had a worthless thing like the GCI. Now a days nothing
the fed does suprises me
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03-23-2009 07:39 PM
duncan The USCG Cutter OBAMA. Why not? The CG named one of their other
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duncan On May 24, 1939, Alex Haley began his 20-year service with the Coast
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Registered: Jul 2003 Haley also traced the records of the ship, The Lord Ligonier, which he
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado said carried his ancestor to America. Genealogists have since disputed
Posts: 9017 Haley's research and conclusions and Haley made an out-of-court
settlement with Harold Courlander, who had sued him for plagiarism.
Oh my a plagiarist, just like King was. Haley is a black guy.
Alex Haley claimed he spent ten years researching his heritage for his
historical novel, Roots, which in 1977 was adapted as a TV miniseries.
That same year he was awarded a Pulitzer Prize and the Spingarn Medal
for the book, but a year later his reputation was marred by an accusation
of plagiarism. After a trial, Haley settled out-of-court for $650,000,
having been accused of plagiarizing more than 80 passages from The
African by Harold Courlander.[
My, my and the CG named a Medium Endurance Cutter after this guy.
They did it because it was the PC thing to do. Wrong thing to do, but PC
and who ever said that the fed gave a sh*t about doing the right thing?
The CG has been on a mission for decades to meet the fed imposed
quota's in regards to enlisting minorities. The CG will enlist idiots as long
and as they are black and brown idiots it makes little difference if they
are qualified.
Conversion complete, the newly renamed USCGC Haley (WMEC-39), the

first ship to be named for a journalist, was commissioned into the USCG
in July 1999. Since commissioning the Haley has performed search and
rescue and fisheries law enforcement duties from its homeport in Kodiak,
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03-24-2009 11:39 PM
duncan The use of pot was quite common among coasities, even though we were
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Registered: Jul 2003 One of a SN's duties is to clean the berthing area and to pick up lose
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado clothing. One SN left his weather jacket on the deck and I picked it up
Posts: 9017 and set it on his bunk. It felt rather bulky and I mentioned this fact to SN
Rhoades, who was with me to clean up the berthing area, and he quickly
grabbed the jacket from the bunk and began to rifle through the pockets.
Low and behold Rhoades pulls out a fist full of that Manatuska
Thunderf*ck. Alaska's grand herb and the best sh8t around within a
thousand miles of Homer. SN Rhoades then placed hte new found loot
into his locker and said "The gear adrift has been secured SN Philp."
A few minutes later SN Teedrick came sliding down the ladder and was
looking for his jacket. He found it, but minus the goodies of course.
Teedrick never said a word, he just looked rather sad and then left the
berthing deck.
Teedrick went onto become a lifer puke. A CG lifer with a dope problem
how lovely.
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One night I had the watch. The SN on watch walks around the ship
Registered: Jul 2003 checking hatches, mooring lines and generally f*cking off wasting time. I
Posts: 9017 was finished checking hatches and such for the hour and was heading up
to the Bridge when suddenly SN Soltis came running down the ladder
screaming to me.
They are trying to kill me Philp!!!!!! Those ****ing fishermen are

shooting at me!!!
I thought that poor little Soltis had finally lost his marbles. He was
always on the edge anyway so why not?
I walked onto the Bridge and saw a bullet hole in the center of the
middle window and right in front of the Captain's seat. The window in
question was still in its holding, but had shattered in a thousand little
pieces. Soltis was sitting in the Captain's seat reading a book when the
bullet had whizzed right passed his head. When I saw the hole and the
shattered window I turned off the light and ducked for cover. I knew that
most of the local fishermen hated our Coastie guts, but I had no idea
that we maybe on the eve of a revolution.
I slowly opened the side hatch to the and crawled outside to peer over
the bulk head to scan the beach. I then slowly climbed onto the super
structure and turned on the flood light. Not the brightest thing to do, but
I was only 19 at the time and looking for a thrill. I saw nothing on the

beach so I shut the flood light off and decided to go for walk on the
beach in front of the ship.
I was walking along the pier when I saw our ships Gunners mate walking
in my direction towards the ship. For a moment and evil thought had
crossed my mind. "Did he do it? Why would he want to kill Soltis?" As I
got closer i could see GM3 McDonald's face and he was looking scared
and guilty as all hell. We met on the dock.
Mac - What's going on Philp?
Me - Someone just tried to kill SN Solitis.
Mac - No ****?
Me - No ****. You wouldn't per chance happen to know anything about

it would you?
Mac - Well yea I was the one who shot the rifle. I was trying to ring the
ships bell and I had no idea Soltis was on the Bridge.
Me - Yep, you nearly rang his bell for the last time.
I should have gotten a f8cking ribbon for near death combat duty. Five
other Coasties had raided the armory with the GM3, who himself had
taken an M16 out of the gun locker. They were all doing a little target
practice on the beach and they were all drunk at the time. At first they
were shooting at some beer bottles and then one guy made a bet with
the GM that he didn't have the balls to ring the ships bell with that M16
in his hands.
Only five people knew about it and none us ever said a word to anyone
else. We were afraid that if Soltis knew he would have killed MacDonald.
The GM3 went onto become a lifer goof.
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duncan A soldier will fight long and hard for a bit of colored ribbon. - Napoleon
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Registered: Jul 2003 And a certain ship's Captain by the name of LT CMDR Clausen, wasted
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado taxpayers dollars for a colored ribbon. The recent proliferation of ribbons
Posts: 9017 has become an outstandingly disgusting feature of the military. When I
left the CG in 1980 I had two ribbons, one for pistol markmanship and
another for rifle sharpshooter. If I were to get out today in 2010 the CG
would give me a dozen medals and ribbons. More on this issue later.
The Sedge was ordered to conduct three weeks of fishery patrol in the
Bering Sea. We were all ordered to conserve water i.e. little or no
showering. Many of us took this order to its extreme and several of the
men didn't take a shower for three weeks. I got real ripe in those
berthing areas.
First Stop Dutch Harbor:
Dutch Harbor was a place of death and a memorial shrine to US dead

sailors and soldiers of WWII who had fought off a Japanese invasion. We
could see sunken naval ships at the bottom of the harbor and the
surrounding hills were filled with pill boxes and bunkers which at one
time had house cannons used to whack Japanese ships. I had a chance
to walk around the area to see a bit of history. Cement walls built into
the hills had the names of various ships spray painted on them like the
kind of graffiti found in LA's gang towns. At the time a few people lived
on the island and in these old US Army buildings. We spent all of one day
in Dutch Harbor.
Next Stop: The Bering Sea
Fishing patrol doesn't going on patrol for little fishies. It meant that the
CG had to stop and inspect all foreign fishing vessels to ensure that
these commie devils were not stealing any of the kings fish. The
Russians, the North Koreans and the Japanese were not allowed to fish
for certain kinds of sea animals within a 12 miles distance from US
shores. The Sedge would hide in the ice and track the fishing boats on
radar and if we had spotted any on radar we would swoop in and pounce
on them.
The first ship we boarded was a Russian fishing ship, which had included
a cannery on board and had they had a small fleet of fishing boats who
hauled in the catch and delivered it to the mother ship. The Russians
wanted our cigarettes in exchange for smut rags. A fair enough trade for
men who have been at sea without any women.
The next ship was a North Korean fishing boat. In reality we really didn't
give a crap about what they were fishing for in the sea but more about
what they were fishing for militarily. The commies were trying to get in
as close as they could to Adak, Alaska, which is the home of a Navy Base
to see what they could see and report what ever they saw back to their
stuperiors. They were spying on us and we were spying on them. So

technically I am a "Cold War" veteran, no pun. Just like the US Army

guy, who sat on his ass in the 1970's watching the South Koreans' who
were in turn watching the North Koreans, and getting fat in the process.
It was all a joke none the less.
Finally we had stopped a very large Japanese fishing ship that was a very
large cannery and with its very large fleet of small fishing trawlers. Much
to do about nothing as none of these ships had any of the Kings fish.
Were does the f8cking fed get off thinking that the government owns
free roaming animals?
Next Stop Pribilof Islands:
Our fearless ships Cmdr Clausen wanted to take a little side trip to
Nome, Alaska. So that he could cross the Arctic Circle and get his littel
Arctic Circle ribbon. Everyone on board would get the ribbon if he could
merely cross an imaginary line and at a major expense to the taxpayers.
It was at least -40 degrees below outside the ship. Which meant that no
one was going outside for a stroll, which in turn made condition inside
even more ripe due to the fact that no wanted to open any hatches to
allow for little fresh air into the ship. It was so cold that the sh*tter
discharge port had froze up and no sh*t could get out of the ship. SN
Quassa volunteered to go over the side and unplug the sh*tter with a
mop handle. Our hero Jackie Quassa and a job that only a texican could
handle, did a right nice job of clearing that sh*tter port. Then we
conducted the Polar Bear Party in which a few of the boys ran around the
buoy deck in their skivies. I could see the Pribilof Islands from the ship
and when I did see them that was a far as we were going to go. The
Sedge was stuck in the ice, frozen in the sea. Although the Sedge had an
ice breaking hull it could only handle three feet of ice. When trying to
ram our way out of the ice, the pistons in the motor had cracked and we
were literally stuck in the ice. We had to call the CG to save the CG. The
USCGC Storis out of Kodiak, was sent to unstuck us and tow us back.
Before the Storis could make it to our location the pistons had been
replaced with new ones and we had managed to unstuck ourselves.
All that crap and nothing to show for it, not even a ribbon. Here's the
little ribbon in question. Now isn't it pretty? Wouldn't you like to have
one?
The Coast Guard Arctic Service Medal was established in 1976 by Admiral
Owen W. Siler, USCG and is awarded to any member of the United
States Coast Guard who performs twenty one days of cumulative duty
afloat or ashore north of the Arctic Circle.
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A fella told me once "You can attract more flies to honey than you
can to vinegar." My response was "That maybe so, but flies are also
attracted to sh*t." - Duncan
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confident that when at last my name is called, I can answer clearly:
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03-26-2009 03:21 PM
duncan Peg Leg Sandeen

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The name Erik Sandeen is known throughout the CG

Registered: Jul 2003 even today. Erik was from Walden, Wyoming and he
Posts: 9017 never went back after he had joined the CG. Erik came
on board the Sedge about four months after I did and he
was one of my drinking buddies.
The Sedge was volunteered for a mission to pick up a

NOAA weather buoy. The buoy in question was quite
large as buoy's go and looked more like a small boat.
This buoy would have to be placed in tow, but the chain
and the anchor that held in it place would have to placed
on the buoy deck. That meant that the chain and the
anchor would have to be disconnected from the buoy

first. A small boat was put over the side with a crew sent
to disconnect the chain. The boat crew got a hold of
center part of the chain and ran a large nylon rope
around it. Both ends of the rope went back to the ship
and were placed on two mechanic rollers or capstans aka
wenches. The wenches were turned to bring in the chain
and the anchor so as to disconnect one from the other.
We had sea swells of between ten and fifteen feet and

this would cause the rope to stretch. If the rope
stretches to far it will make a loud whining noise at
which point it could very well snap and break. If this
happens anyone standing next to the rope could lose a
body part i.e. a head, a leg, an arm or even a torso. If
anyone had woken up that day from a good drunk the
night before this sh&t would sober them up real quick.
Erik was placed on the starboard capstan and the Deck,

Officer Chuck Slaven, was on Erik's right side as he
faced aft of the ship. Slaven was less than six feet from
Erik. Slaven was a Warrant Officer in charge of deck
safety and he was also the guy in charge of deck
operations. Chuck was the guy barking out orders to Erik
and the rest of us.
The wenches were a going and the line was getting

tighter and tighter and they both began to howl. Slaven
gave the order to let out on the rope lines and Sandeen
would unwind the entire line off of the capstan. Bad
idea, as the line would suddenly zip through the chalks
and Sandeen would lose his end of the rope into the
ocean. Sandeed freaked out and stepped on his end of
the line, very bad idea, that would cost him dearly.
Sandeen's leg was caught by the rope and his leg was
now inside the chalks getting twisted 180 degrees. BM1
"Cubby" Tyler, who was on the buoy deck, grabbed the
axe out of my hands and cut the rope on our end, but it
was to late he was gonna lose his leg.
A CG helicopter was sent to pick him and take him to

Anchorage. His leg was removed at the hospital from the
knee down. He was later sent to Denver and to
Fitzsimmons Medical Center were he was given a
wooden peg leg. I'm kidding, he was given a plastic leg.
When on leave in Denver I had gone to see him and he
showed me his new leg. I never saw the guy again. He
was later transferred to a River Tender on the Mississippi

river and stayed in the CG for twenty five years. He

became a CG Electronics Tech.
There would be an investigation into the matter as to

who was to blame. As usual the wrong guy was blamed.
Ultimately and generally speaking the CO is always to
blame as he is the guy responsible for everything that
goes on aboard a ship. We had no business being in that
sort of situation or until the weather had prevailed. I
could lay some of the blame on Clausen but not all of it.
I could lay none of the blame on Slaven, but he was the

guy who went down due to the fact that he was the deck
officer and he was standing right next to Sandeen when
the stuff hit the fan. You cannot blame Slaven for the
stupid acts of young SN who knew that he was not
suppose to unwind the entire wrap of the rope from the
capstan. This was not Erik's first rodeo, he had done this
sort work before picking up regular CG buoys. But as it
turns out Erik was not be blamed either.
Erik had the midnight watch, prior being awoken after

only two hours of sleep, by the BM3 and told that he had
to man the capstan on the starboard side. The BM3 in
question had it in for Erik and he knew that Erik had just
come off the midnight watch. If I could remember the
****s*ckers name I would be all to happy to post it.
Slavin would later take the heat for this s&ck of ****,
but the aftermath of what went down was typical of the
CG. The BM3 ,after a few years and unrelated to what he
had done to Erik, was drummed out of the CG.
Slaven was blamed for it all. He would be denied any

promotion and was black balled from ever getting any
kind of license issued by the CG, which would have
allowed him to work at sea as a merchant marine in the
private sector, after retiring for the CG. he spent his last
few working years driving a bus for the city of Seattle.
Charles Fredrick Slavin, 66, died Tuesday, February 25,

2003, after a lengthy and courageous battle with lung
disease. A native of San Antonio, he was a decorated
war veteran, a beloved husband and father, and a man
who quietly and modestly helped his fellow man
throughout his life, including saving countless lives and
fighting for his country in a nearly 25-year military
career. Born in San Antonio on January 8, 1937, he was
one of eight children of the late Albert Patrick Slavin and

Lillian Ackerman Slavin. He was educated at St. Mary’s

Catholic School downtown, at Central Catholic Marianist
High School and Brackenridge High School. He left home
at 17 to enlist in the U.S. Air Force in 1954, and after
basic training at Lackland AFB, he served at Bergstrom
AFB in Austin and with an American attachment at
Lakenheath Royal Air Force Station in England. In
September 1958, he transferred to the U.S. Coast
Guard, ultimately retiring from that service in June 1978
with the rank of Chief Warrant Officer 2. His career took
him to many treacherous and exotic areas of the world,
such as the South Pacific, the Bering Sea, the China Sea,
and the Panama Canal, including several years aboard
the Coast Guard Cutter Westwind, an ice breaker which
helped clear northern Atlantic shipping lanes near
Greenland and the Arctic Circle. He spent many years
assigned to the New York City area and served as a U.S.
Coast Guard recruiter in Newark, New Jersey. Other
assignments took him and his family to Corpus Christi,
Texas, Mobile, Alabama, Panama City, Florida and
Homer, Alaska. In 1975, he was handpicked in a national
search to be one of the first test pilots of the then-
experimental hydrofoil search and rescue vessels, which
are now commonly used in coastal areas of the United
States. Slavin volunteered to fight in the Vietnam War in
1968-69 aboard a small gun boat during one of the most
violent periods in that conflict, receiving many
decorations for his courage under fire, including the
Presidential Unit Citation awarded to him and his
shipmates by former President Richard M. Nixon. One of
his proudest moments was his selection to be in the
military color guard at the state funeral of the legendary
General Douglas MacArthur in 1964. After retirement in
1978, he worked for VIA Metropolitan Transit as a driver
and later as a district manager of motor routes for the
circulation department of the San Antonio Express-News.
He is survived by his wife of 40 years, Susan Elizabeth
Webster Slavin; three children: Kenneth R. Slavin, Albert
P. Slavin II and Alice Slavin Gaiser, all of San Antonio;
daughter-in-law Newell Holland Slavin and son-in-law
George Nolan Gaiser, Jr., also of San Antonio; four
grandchildren, and numerous brothers, sisters, nieces,
nephews, cousins and friends. Visitation will be on
Monday, March 3, from 5-7 p.m., with a rosary to be
recited directly afterward, at the chapel of Alamo Funeral
Home, 624 N. Alamo St. A funeral Mass will be
celebrated at 10 a.m. Tuesday, March 4, at St. Gregory

the Great Catholic Church, 700 Dewhurst, with burial to

follow at Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery.
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03-26-2009 04:07 PM
duncan The Guard was filled with alcoholics and I was never
Moderator sure why. Was it the boredom? Was it a macho thing?
Slavin had problem with the bottle, but he wasn't alone,
Registered: Jul 2003 many of his fellow lifers did as well.
Posts: 9017 I would limit my drinking to the weekends. I had most of
pay sent home and only allowed myself $50 a month to
play with. Done so that I wouldn't drink a lot.
We often had our own drinking contest at the Spit bar.

We drank 151 Bacardi and Everclear for sport. I'm not
kidding. We drank shots of this sh8t and we would black
out as a result. I'm suprised that one of didn't die from
the poison.
One night I ended up at the "Porpoise Room" for one of

my weekend drunks and drank my usual Bacardi rum a

coke mix. I had blacked out, but was walking and talking
the whole time. The boys filled me on what had
transpired during my drunkeness.
I was told that I had been seen hitting on the bar maid
and that it was pissing off a certain fat a$$ fisherman.
The fisherman had claimed that I was in his bar seat and
that I needed to get out of it right away. I would tell him
to f8ck off and he would go away for awhile, but return
and threaten to kick my a$$ if I refused to get out of his
seat. Fat boy had done this crap to me for the about the
third time.
Me - This is your bar stool?
Fat boy - Yea it is motherf*cker.
Me - Well then let me give it to you.
SMACK!!!!!
I gave it to him, but suddenly he no longer desired it. I

had picked it up and threw it in his face. His fishing
buddies all got up and were about to jump me. At this
point my shipmates in the bar all got up to rescue me. A
stand off ensued and nothing came of it, other than fat
boy did get his bar stool.
Blacking out is a scary thing. I curtailed my drinking

habits after this incident. A lot of shipmates did not.
Oh the allure of that Devil Rum!!!!!
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03-26-2009 04:41 PM
duncan The Sedge was in need of repair and we were off to

Moderator Seattle for a month in the ship yards. CIVILIZATION!!!!!!
Registered: Jul 2003 Dry docked near to the King Dome, we only had to walk
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado a few blocks to get to downtown Seattle and check out
Posts: 9017 the sights. I had cheap sandwich at the Space Needle
and hung out for bit at the university area parks.
One fella arrived on board right out of boot camp. He

was on board for one day and gone the next. The "boot"
had made his way back to his home in Nebraska and
truend himself into the Cg recruiter for being AWOL. The
recuiter placed the kid on the next plane back to Seattle
and back on board the Sedge. A Captian's Mast was held
and the kid was ordered to be held under house arrest
on the Sedge. When he had to leave the ship for
personal business like doing laundry he was given a
escort to the laudnry mat by the ship's Quartermaster
McBride. While at the luandry mat the kid had to go the
bathroom and he snuk out through the bathroom
window leaving QM2 McBride holding the dirty laundry
bag. We never saw the kid again.
We would all discover later as to why he went AWOL.

When the kid was recruited he was promised garuanteed
Corpman schooling right out of boot camp. It was a rare
thing in the CG to be sent to a trianing school and given
a rating right out of boot camp, but it would happen for
people who scored high on the ASVAB test. Most men,
out of boot camp, would have to do a year in board a
ship as a SN before being allowed to attend a school.
The recuiter had lied to the kid about going to school
right out of boot camp to get the kid to join. So the kid

wanted out, the CG reniged on their agreement and as

such the contract was null and void.
Recruiters worked on a quota system and if they could

not meet their required quota then they were shipped off
to another duty station. During the late 1970' few
wanted to join and few wanted to re-join when our four
year term was up. The recruiters were under alot of
pressure to get in their quota and this placed them at
odds with their principles and as it turns out none of
them had any. The scam of not allowing people to go out
for certian rates due to color blindess would back fire on
these liars. The CG would suffer from three whammy's i.
e. few people joining, few people re-uping and there
were many people in the CG not going for any ratings
because those of us whom had beem deemed color blind
were not interested in being greasy cooks or pussified
Yeoman. Do our four and get the f8ck out. Many of us
did the four because we feared a General Discharge or
maybe even a Bad Conduct Discharge, which might
prevent us from getting a real job in the private sector
when we got out.
This kid who went AWOL had the guts to call the CG on
their BS. He probably recieved a General Discharge and
as we would alter find out, it made no difference to
employers if you served or not and if you did they didn't
give a squat as to what kind of discharge you recieved.
Those of us did the four and no more were all fools we
should have all done what the kid from Nebraska did.
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03-27-2009 03:18 PM
duncan If you are out to sea and in distress, then you are
Moderator bascially f8cked. In most cases the CG cannot save you
and even if you are standing right next to a CG ship
Registered: Jul 2003 when in distress you could very well die on the spot
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado before the CG could save you.
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One time we were docked in Kodiak and a private diver
was hired to inspect the ships hull. I saw the guy come
out of the water and fall flat on his face on the shore. He
had died of a heart attack surrounded by so-called
medics and life savers.
Another time we recieved a distress call that a helo with

three men inside of it had gone down into the ocean.
One guy ,who was in the helo, had managed to get out
of it with a life raft and the other two went down into the
deep blue sea for good. The Sedge conducted a broad
search of the area were the helo had gone down. I was
on the bridge standing my watch when I had spotted a
small orange life raft, but it was to late the guy inside
the raft had frozen to death.
The CG does safe a life or two at times, but what is it

costing the rest of us? At what price are is rest of society
to be burdened with the stupid acts of others? Most of
these cases involved a big mistake or an act of
negligence on the part of the victims. Stupidity cannot
be regulated or even prevented. Local Fishermen sink
because they decided to risk working in bad seas and
they would often over load their ships with too much
cargo. They still have a big memorial statue at the end
of the Spit, which is dedicated to risk takers that all died
at sea trying to catch fish.
The History channel has a series of shows about these

very people. Trust me people it is all true and you do not
want to be an Alaskan Fisherman working out of Dutch
Darbor. Those people do it for the big bucks, but when
they die at sea what did they gian? Greed drove them to

their deaths, but the rest of society was taxed to send

the CG to look for the lost and dead bodies. Hell you'd
be lucky if they even found your body much less saved
you from your stupid act of fishing in Alaskan waters.
If the Guard saves one person they will play it up big to

the media and they will ingore the majority of times that
no life was saved by the CG. If the CG told the general
public how often they showed up to late, then none
would be interested in their worthless services and these
tax consumers would have to get a real job. What the
Guard does in this realm can be privatized, no different
than calling a taxi cab. If the rescue cabbie won't show
up becuase it is to dangerous then why pray tell should
others be asked to risk their lives for some idiot?
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03-27-2009 03:44 PM

AVENGER This stuff is great, Duncan. A book in the making?

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man."
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"Better that ten guilty men go free than one innocent
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Speed, surprise and violence of action.
03-28-2009 09:32 AM
liberranter I echo AVENGER's sentiments. There's definitely a

Super Moderator memoire in here, and I've enjoyed reading every
word of it.
In a way, it brings back memories. When I joined the

Navy in the late 70s, conditions were exactly as
Duncan describes them. Things haven't improved
much since then; different sets of specific social
issues, but the military's approaches to "problem
solving", "leadership", and every other aspect of life
haven't changed at all.
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Location: Tucson, AZ
Duncan, your description of shipboard life is spot-on.
Posts: 5865 There is nothing worse than being at sea for days,
weeks, or months on end with nothing constructive
to do. Civilians who've never served at sea tend to
idyllize life onboard a Navy/CG vessel. They can't
grasp the idea that it's like serving a sentence on a
floating prison.
BTW, were you ever at sea for enough consecutive

days to earn a "beer day?" This was popular in the
Navy back in the day (don't know if they do it
anymore). Navy policy was that, at the Captain's
discretion, if the ship had been out at sea for 60 or
more consecutive days without a port visit, then the
crew was authorized two cans of beer per person.

We had a "Beer Day" on board the carrier USS

America on an Indian Ocean cruise back in the Fall of
'81. We'd been out of port (Perth, Australia was our
last port of call) for 63 days when the C.O. decided
that it was time for a beer day (he figured we'd been
good little squids and jarheads who hadn't caused
any major embarrassments or generated a trail of
safety mishaps that would caste him and the Task
Force Admiral in a bad light, so we deserved a
reward). Each of us got two cans of Michelob, sh!t
that I wouldn't pour down my toilet in normal life.
What a hilarious scene seeing guys slurring their
words and staggering around the hangar deck who
would normally down a dozen pitchers back on shore
without even getting a buzz. All in all, looking back
on it I'd say that it was an overrated event.
And then there was "Shellback Initiation", which is

for a whole 'nother thread altogether...
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03-28-2009 06:39 PM

duncan BTW, were you ever at sea for enough consecutive days
Moderator to earn a "beer day?"
Registered: Jul 2003 Never happened. I guess the CO felt that we'd all had
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado enough beer at the local bars to last an entire four year
Posts: 9017 term.
Since you was in the USN and all you may find my next
post interesting.
While in Seattle myself and SN Rhoades made a tour of

the USCGC Polar Sea and the USCGC Polar Star. At the
time they were both brand new Ice Breakers that would
make trips to the South Pole. Both ships were very wide
and very long. They had two man state rooms for the
lowly non-rates. The last I heard both of these ships
were due for a de-com. At the edn of our dry dock repair
I had decided to take a 30 day leave for Denver and
home. Thirty days of fun and a chance to forget about all
of the CG's BS. I dreaded going back to the Sedge,
every one else who took leave always complained of
having the same sort of feeling. I never once
contemplated going AWOL, the thought never crossed
my mind. This feeling of dread is hard to explain. Only
those who have been to Iraq, come home and then have
to back again could probably explain it better than I
could. It is a very depressing feeling to say the least.
The Sedge was about to take a trip to Pearl Harbor for

Fire Fighter training. WARMTH !!!!
It would take us about a week to get to Pearl and one

day during the trip the CO had stopped the ship to allow
most of us to go for a swim in the South Pacific Ocean.
The water was warmer and even more blue than Alaskan
waters. Less salt content made the water blue in color.
We had to watch out for sharks, ouch.
USCG - 3
USN - 0
For want ever strange reason, and I don't think it was

normal, the members of other military branches often
tended to hate one another. We were trained to do so by
our stuperiors. I think it was done to create a team
mentality. Since we had no real enemies at the time and
we must have an enemy at all times then we were all

taught that the Navy was the real enemy. The Sedge
would not be docking at Pearl Harbor, we would be
docked at the Air Force Base.
When leaving the ship to attend training at Pearl we

some times had to wear our dress blues and all USAF
personel would salute us. They had no idea what we
were so just to be safe the AF people including their
officers would salute us Coasties. We opted to not to tell
them a thing. Hehehehehehe.
Walking around the Navy base was a much different

experience.
Look guys it's the f*cking Coast Guard. Shallow water

sailors!!!!!!
The CO made us use a CG bus to take the boys to class.

The bus had wire over the windows so that no one would
be able to get us with a rock. Class scenes were much
the same. We had to sit in the same class with the
squids. All the Coasties would sit in the back of the class
and harass the squids.
Squid instructor- Hi I am your instructor and I'm an HT1.
Coastie - What the f*ck is an HT?
HT1 - Hull Technician
Coasties laughing
Me - Oh I see and I thought that it meant Hell of a

Turkey.
HT1 - Watch out boy.
Coastie - Boy? You see a boy you get down on your

knees and suck his pee pee.
This went on for days and days and it would only get
worse. Needless to say we did not endear ourselves the
the USN.
USCG v USN in the Butter Cup - Our first event was a

thing the Navy called the "Butter Cup". It was a mock of
a ships engine room that was filled with water form the
outside. The water would come in to us as a make
believe break in the hull structure or a busted water

pipe. Our mission was to stop the leak before we

drowned to death or in this case before the water rose to
our necks. We were given the needed tools and material
to handle the job. The CG stopped the leak when the
water was at our waist. The Navy drowned. One point
for the CG.
Our next fighter fighting job involved putting out a fire

on board a ship that involves carrying jets or planes on
board. The Navy of course has air craft carriers and
many CGC's haul around a helo on a flight deck which is
aft of the ships bridge. We all had to wear masks with
filters and other gear. It made for a very sweaty time.
You cannot approach a jet head on when there is a fire
present, because you might get hit by a rocket. You
must bend down low when involved with a fire so as not
to breath in the fumes, which will cause you to pass out.
The Navy guys broke both of these rules and two of their
people had passed out. Two points for the Guard.
The CG had a collectively higher score on the written

exam than did the navy guys. Three points, game over.
It almost came to blows a few times, but for the most

part it was all talk.
When not on duty I would take off for the beach and I
would often just spend the night on the beach. One
night I got harassed by the WASP's or the Navy's shore
patrol. They actually hauled me for napping on the
beach and QM1 McBride had to pick me up from the jail
house. I spend time at a bar called "Davy Jones Locker".
The bar was underground and behind the bar was a
swimming pool were you could watch the babe's
swimming under water in their bikini's. I would also hit
the usual strip bars and check out the local scenery.
One time a group of us were walking about and received

a rude hail from a couple of Samoan's. A Samoan looks
like a Mexican on steroids and not some one you would
like to meet in dark alley alone. The locals hated the
military.
We spent about two weeks in Pearl and before leaving

we had to give SN Berger a send off. Berger was the
ships scumbag. He would never shower or even change
his bedding. We all gave the guy so much sh8t about his
personal habits that he wanted a transfer to one of the

CG ships stationed near to the Aloha Tower. We all

grabbed him and threw his sorry a$$ off the ship and he
had to swim to the other ship he was going to transfer
to. We made sure he was bathed prior to going to his
new home.
After nearly thirty years since getting out of the CG I still

hear the BS from other veterans of other branches, that
the CG is not a branch of the military. I could care less,
write a letter to congress and tell them about it. In the
mean time kiss my a$$. I don't owe anyone a f&cking
thing.
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03-28-2009 09:35 PM

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03-28-2009 09:37 PM
duncan Don't call the CG for help.

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03-28-2009 09:40 PM
duncan I can attribute the USN v the USCG crap to inner agency
Moderator rivalry of competing for more tax dollars and more
power. The CG had the same problem with the DEA and
Registered: Jul 2003 a few others.
Posts: 9017 At the time I joined the CG was suffering from an
identity crisis. The CG is the second oldest federal
agency and the oldest branch of the military. And NO the
National Guard for fat a$$es is not the oldest branch nor
is it the militia. The NG began its parasitical existence
prior to WWI and is now just an arm of the U.S. Army.
The CG was first called the Merchant Cutter Service and

a few years latter it would be called the Revenue Cutter
Service. The sole purpose at the time of the CG's
inception was to steal money from incoming and out
going sea merchants. The Cutter Service was the
invention of the Federalist Alexander Hamilton and done
to help build his federal empire. The CG was under the
Treasury Department and would later take on the added
duties of customs, prohibition enforcement, life saving
and in 1939 Aids to Navigation. It was in 1915 that the
official name United States Coast Guard would be
applied to the agency. It only makes sense that the fed
would first have to steal money visa via taxes before it
could even afford a USN and a USMC. The Continental
Navy was not the USN. The USA did not even exist until
some time after the American Revolution was done with.
The Militia's were used in the War of 1812, the war with
Mexico, the Civil War and the Spanish American War.
The US Army was a nothing more than a pimples on
donkey a$$ up until WWI.

Like it or, and not that I give a sh8t if certain people

don't like to accept this fact, the CG was in Vietnam and
worked under the USN. After the so-called war on North
Vietnam was lost the entire USCG would be placed under
the Department of Transportation. Gawd only knows
why this was done. The CG and the USN would be at
odds over power and money and as a result the CG
wanted to have its own ID, seperate from that of the
Navy. Uniforms were changed, rating names were
changed, certain ranks were dropped and changed i.e.
the CG did not have the rank of Commodore or CWO3.
When I joined the CG it had three work uniforms. It was

up to a CO to decide which work uniform he liked on his
men best of all. In boot camp I was issued a set of work
clothes, which would only exist for two years and I
wasn't allowed to even wear them when I arrived on the
Sedge. The traditional light blue work shirt with pockets
and the bell bottom blues were still in use, but would
eventually be phased out over a five year period. The
uniform issued to me was a dark blue pull over shirt with
dark blue pants that had a flare in place of the bell
bottoms. The other uniform was a piece of crap that
looked like something a greasy mechanic would wear in
an auto shop. This was the uniform we had to wear on
board the Sedge and at the time the CG was not even
issuing this uniform, we had to buy the thing at Sears of
all places.
We could not order the thing via mail and there was no
such thing as a Sears in Homer, Alaska. We simply had
to wait until we went to the Air Station in Kodiak order it
then and pick it up later when ever we were back at
Kodiak. If a guy had the new uniform it would wear out
quickly and there would nothing available to replace it.
We literally wore clothes with holes in the pants and
shirts and that had paint stains on them. BMC Leslie was
always giving us crap about our sh8t bird uniforms.
Why? I have no idea other than the guy was a lifer p*g
with nothing better to do.
I finally got in a shipment of the new uniforms, but the

legs were not hemmed. I had to throw out the old crap
and start wearing the new crap right away per the
orders of BMC Leslie and when I did this he still bitched.
BMC - They ain't hemmed Philp

Me - I know and so what? They will still look like crap.
There was no thread on board so I had to use manila

line to hem the f8cking things and guess what? They
really looked like sh8t, but fat boy Leslie couldn't say a
word, cause "They was hemmed".
The dress uniform looked like it was issued by the USAF

and it looked like crap as well. In spite of all the
complaints about the new crap dress uniform the CG
was still using this crap uniform in 2002. But what the
hell we now had our own sh8t uniforms to go with our
own sh*t identity.
The work uniforms still looks like crap. It would make

sense to issue dark blue BDU's and not these mechanic's
looking things.
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03-29-2009 08:25 PM
duncan Can you say CRAP!!!!!!

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03-29-2009 08:27 PM
duncan Ribbons and medals. How many can one person put on
Moderator his or her chest? When I left the CG I had received two
ribbons. I could now get a dozen of these worthless
Registered: Jul 2003 things for sh8t that I suppose to do when I was in.
Posts: 9017 I can get a Sea Service ribbon and all I have to do is
spend a few days at sea. BFD.
I can get a Restricted Duty ribbon and all I have to do is

spend a few days on the Sedge or a LORAN Station. BFD.
I can get a Silver Life Saving medal and all I had to do

was help two some idiot back into port.
I can get the Humanitarian Service Medal and all I have

to do is bend over and pet a stray cat or dog. BFD.
I can get the Volunteer Service Medal and all I have to is

man a table at the local church's next bake sale.
I can also get a Cold War ribbon, an Honorable

Discharge ribbon, a Good Conduct ribbon, a Unit Citation
ribbon, yada yada yada.
If you were in the military when 9/11 went down you get
a ribbon. If you were in the CG in 1990 aka the 200th
birthday of the CG then you get a ribbon. If you were in
the CG's boot camp honor guard then you get a ribbon.
If you went to the Antarctic on a CG Ice Breaker then
you get a ribbon. If you crossed the Arctic circle in a CG
ship then you get a ribbon. If you got stuck in the ice
just a few miles south of the Arctic Circle then you get
NOTHING!!!!!.
You can order all of this crap online and wear it on your
jacket when you go McDonald's for lunch and no one will
care.
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03-29-2009 08:30 PM
liberranter quote:
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BMC Leslie was always giving us
crap about our sh8t bird uniforms.
Why? I have no idea other than the
guy was a lifer p*g with nothing
better to do.
Probably above all because he was a Boatswain's

Location: Tucson, AZ Mate. That breed of "human being" is one of the
Posts: 5865 stupidest creatures that God ever crapped upon the
face of the earth. For "lifers" like this guy, by the
time they get promoted to Chief they're all brain
stem and no brain.
I had the displeasure of being deployed for a couple

of months on the USS Nimitz (the USS "Numbnuts"
as us squids called it) back in the early '80s. Because
the squadron I was assigned to didn't have its own
berthing space and because there were no racks
available in the berthing space that my squadron
shared with one of the fighter squadrons, I got to
berth with the "deck apes." What a joy! These
brainless clowns would be fighting with one another
around the clock, throwing blunt objects, stealing
from their shipmates, and doing everything else
characteristic of nursery school kids. God help you if
you were off the midwatch and trying to get some
sleep during the day. It was like being locked up in a
juvenile detention facility.
As for the ribbons issue, we always used to make fun

of the Air Force and their proclivity for giving out
ribbons like the were candy. Sadly, the Navy had
become just as bad by the time I got out in the mid
'90s, and I'm sure the situation is even worse today,
in ALL of the services.
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that too.
03-30-2009 01:21 PM
duncan If ya can't make rate go bosunsmate.

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BMC Leslie was your average run of the mill fat gut, lifer
Registered: Jul 2003 who had never worked a day in his CG life.
Posts: 9017 Most of the lifers had big old beer bellies by the time the
reached the age of 25. What always struck me as odd
was the fact that many of tme looked aged beyond their
years. Due I suspect to drinking to much booze.
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03-30-2009 07:22 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by duncan
If ya can't make rate go

bosunsmate.
Yep, that's pretty much the way it was in the Navy.

Registered: Jun 2005 Usually if you washed out of training for the rating
you enlisted for, they'd give you a second chance to
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train for another rating that was less mentally
challenging. But if you washed out of THAT too, then
straight to the fleet you went. There you'd spend the
rest of your existence chipping paint, swabbing
decks, and generally doing nothing but shit duty for
the rest of your enlistment.
A couple of dumb sickos who started out with me in

cryptologic analyst training* and who "rocked" out of
that wound up being sent out to old grey tubs in the
Pacific to chip paint, scrape barnacles, scrub shitters,
and basically live miserable and pointless lives for
the next three years. One of them got so desperate,
knowing the life ahead of him, that he actually struck
for Bosun's Mate so that he could at least not spend
the rest of hia time as a non-rate and make Third
Class before getting out (and thereby avoid at least
SOME of the shit details). I later learned that he
stayed in and made a career of the Canoe Club as a
BM. I'm glad I never saw him again. I can only
imagine what a sorry sack of shit he turned out to be.

(*It probably comes as no surprise to anyone who

did time in the military in the late '70s that recruiting
standards had hit rock bottom. The two guys I refer
to in the preceding paragraph were both HIGH
SCHOOL DROPOUTS WITH CRIMINAL RECORDS and
yet were allowed to enlist into a rating that not only
required advanced critical thinking and reasoning
skills, but that required a high-level security
clearance as well. Who says that history doesn't
repeat itself, or that the Establishment learns lessons
from the past?)
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03-30-2009 08:06 PM

duncan At the time I felt that the military was nothing more
Moderator than a refuge for people who couldn't make it in the
private sector or that these people were afriad to make
Registered: Jul 2003 it in the private sector. The military offered them free
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado clothes, food and housing. All one has to do is show up
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and do as they are told, no thinking is required for a job
in the military. It is a nice secure little world were the
state provides for everything from the day you enter the
military to the day you die.
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duncan During my entire 18 month stint on board the Sedge I

Moderator can safely say that no lives were ever saved. Not one,
but isn't this the main reason for a Coast Guard?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado During my stint in 1976 and 1977 the CG had six buoy
Posts: 9017 tenders stationed in places like Adak, Homer, Ketchikan,
Kodiak, and two in Juneau, one tug boat stationed in
Valdez, one 95 foot patrol boat stationed in Seward, one
ice breaker in Kodiak and one 210 footer also in Kodiak
along with an enitre air base. All for the purpose of
saving lives. Imagine the cost of this.
The main function of a buoy tender of course is to tend

buoys, but the saving of lives comes before the need
that private shipping has for its aids to navigation. The
reason we never saved any lives would be due to the
fact that we couldn't. Just take a look at a map of Alaska
to see the entire coast line of this state. No agency could
cover the enormity of this coast line and no society could
afford any agency that would wnat to tryi t. We are all
being taxed for a big fat nothing.
Alaska's coast line is the responsibility of Alaskan's and

not the rest of America. Aids to navigation are for those
who can afford ships and boats and they should be the
ones taxed to pay for it all. The state of Alaska should
have its own Revenue Cutter Service that runs around
taxing merchants for the use of ATN's and not the rest of
us who have no need of this sort of thing.
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03-31-2009 05:30 PM
duncan My time on the Sedge would be done on Feb of 1978. SN

Moderator Rhoades had left just few weeks earlier and he had
gotten into a wee bit of trouble. When one is about to be
Registered: Jul 2003 transfered to another duty station they must first sign
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado out of the ships log before taking off. Rhoades filled an
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entire page with the following.
The "El Paso Kid" says ADIOS!!!!!!!!! and **** THE

GUARD!!!!!!
BMC Leslie went ballistic and threaten to send Rhoades

to a naval stockade. I wasn't going to happen since the
CG has no stockades and the nearest one would have
been in Adak, Alaska. But Lelise would rake Rhoades
over the coals for a bit.
Many of the guys left with bad feelings. SN Cabot would

get scewed over by Leslie and Slavin. Cabot had planned
on going to Corpsman school after his tour on board the
Sedge and these two lifers shut him down. They felt that
Cabot had a bad attitude and didn't deserve to go to the
school. There was no way that a person could endure
eighteen months on the "Black P*g" and not walk away
from it all without a bad attitude about the federal
government and the CG. The whole thing was simply
depressing and when you were done with it and all you
knew was that you weren't going to be a lifer p8g.
SN Hermann would be leaving after me and he went on

to be a right fine drunken lifer Cook for the Guard.
Quassa would become a Quartermaster lifer puke. There
were of course many others who had crossed my life's
path and I would never see them again. The last guy I
saw when l left was SN Soltis. Tom drove me to the
Homer airport to drop me off, he shook my hand said
goodbye and looked rather sad during the entire time. I
thought that he might cry. He knew that we had been
through some real sh8t together and that we would
probably never see one another again.

At the time I had no idea that I would be back to witness

the de-com of the Sedge in 2002. I probably would have
never made the trip but for a certain deputy Estep of
Jefferson County Colorado. It seemed only fitting that I
would win 20K from the county were I grew up in and I
went to high school and then use the money to go to
Alaska to bury the past once and for all. It had all stared
in Jeffco and it all ended in Alaska thanks to Jeffco. Bad
memories are hard to bury and I have a memory like an
elephant.
When I arrived in Homer on November of 2002 it was

like walking back into time. Nothing had changed not
even the Sedge. The experience blew me away. The CG
had sold the ship to the country of Nigeria and the new
crew was there to take the ship first to Terminal Island
in Long Beach, CA and then to their native land of
Nigeria.
FTG!!!!!
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03-31-2009 05:57 PM

duncan Soltis stayed in Alaska. He did another 18 months on the

Moderator Sedge and then said FTG!!!!. He took a General
Discharge after doing three years.
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03-31-2009 06:04 PM
duncan USCGC Sedge launching party- 27 November 1943

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03-31-2009 06:06 PM
duncan Were's the beer bottle?

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03-31-2009 06:08 PM

duncan USCGC Sedge- 10 April 1954

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03-31-2009 06:08 PM
duncan The USCGC PT. Divide today.

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03-31-2009 08:57 PM
duncan The USCGC Pt. Divide would be my next duty station. It

Moderator was de-commed in 1995 and sold to a Vo-Tech school in
Seattle, Washington. It is located near the Ballard Bridge
Registered: Jul 2003 and you can see it on your right if you are driving north
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado bound on the bridge.
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http://seattlecentral.edu/maritime/fleet.php
VESSEL SPECIFICATIONS:
BUILDER: U.S. Coast Guard Yard, Curtis Bay, MD - 1962
DESIGNER: Design Branch, Naval Engineering Division,

U.S. Coast Guard Headquarters, Washington, DC
TYPE: Coastal Patrol Boat
LENGTH: 82' 10"

BEAM: 17' 7"
DEPTH: 9'
DRAFT: 6'
G.R.T.: 75
H.P.: 1600
ENGINES: (2) Caterpillar V-3412
SPEED: 23 Knots
VESSEL HISTORY:
The T/V Maritime Instructor was originally built as a
Coast Guard cutter of the WPB "Point" class for use in
coastal patrol duties. Built by the Coast Guard in 1962,
the cutter was christened the USCGC Point Divide (WPB
82337) and took up station in Corona Del Mar, California
in March 1963.

The cutter's primary mission role was Search and

Rescue. Secondary missions included assignments in law
enforcement, boating safety, military preparedness,
marine environmental response and public relations. As
a public relations vehicle the vessel appeared on
television in serial shows such as Baywatch and a CNN
documentary on the "drug war". In addition, she made
cameo appearances in Hollywood films. The cutter spent
its entire 31-year Coast Guard career in southern
California; the normal operating area consisting of well
over two million square miles extending from San Diego
northward to Point Dume, CA with occasional voyages to
Baja California and the Pacific Northwest. Two of the
more noteworthy events of her career include escorting
the British royal yacht Britannia along the California
coast during a visit by Queen Elizabeth II and
interdicting the F/V Ocean Joy attempting to smuggle 10
tons of marijuana into the United States.
In 1995 the USCGC Point Divide was declared surplus to

the Coast Guard's needs and handed over to SMA under
sponsorship of the U.S. Maritime Administration.
Following acquisition by SMA the vessel was renamed
the Maritime Instructor.
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03-31-2009 09:03 PM
duncan I would spend the next two years of my time on the CG's
Moderator Hollywood patrol boat. Corona Del Mar is a small town
surrounded by Newport Beach in Orange County, CA.
Registered: Jul 2003 Next door to the Divide's duty house was the Orange
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado County Sheriff's Dept aka the harbor patrol and the CA
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state's beach patrol aka Baywatch. These Orange County
deputies would prove to be just as worthless as the CG
and the Baywatch guys always impressed me as being
gay, due to the fact that they would always been seen
wearing those tight little panties in place of swimming
trunks.
The Divide has been the personal body guard of one

"Tricky" Dick Nixon while he was prez. Nixon had a large
beach house in San Clemente and when would go to the
beach to swim in the nude he would need the protection
of the CG. I'm kidding, Nixon was a good little Quaker
boy who would never expose his genitals to anyone
except his wife.
I would arrive in Feb of 1978 and the first guy I met was
QM1 Anderson. Anderson would become my best friend
and to this day we still call one another. The next guy I
met was a BM1 lifer dweeb, who thought that he was
John Wayne. He reminded me of Cliff Claven from the TV
series Cheers. The next guy I met was LTJG Sorenson
and he instructed me to find a place to live off the ship
as soon as I could. Yea right.
I'm not gonna lie to ya the next two years would be

what I called 'cheesie' duty. The Divide had two seven
man crews that we called the Blue and Gold crews. Our
duty time would consist of two days on, then two days
off, then three days on, then two days off, then two days
on and finally three days off. It was a far cry from the
kind of duty I had done on board the Sedge. The longest
we could go to sea was one week and when we went to
sea we did fishing patrols meaning we literally went
fishing for halibut and such. I'm not kidding.
These 82 footers were designed to be river boats and

not built for sea patrols. They only had a five foot draft
and would bounce around in the ocean like a white cork.
A fleet of these things were sent to Vietnam to patrol
rivers and some of the people on board had done just

that in Vietnam, guys like MK1 Bullock. But while in

Newport the only we would be patroling mostly for fish.
We did do Law Enforcement and SAR, but once again

during my entire two years on this "White Cork" we
never saved a life and we never made a real drug bust.
The Divide did however shoot at a drug runner and killed
the engine man who was inside the engine room when
he was hit by a fifty cal round, but that happened before
I showed up. At the point I showed up the CA coastline
had just gone through some major floods which had left
many a dead body floating around the ocean. The Divide
had just finished picking up a few dead people when I
had arrived.
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03-31-2009 09:42 PM

duncan When on duty and not out to sea fishing our days would
Moderator consist of painting, cleaning and the extensive use of of
Brasso on brass objects. In other words we didn't do
Registered: Jul 2003 ****, but what the hell we looked good at doing
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado nothing. My postion on the boat was that of Armorer. I
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had the duty of caring for two Browing Ma-duce . 50
cals, three Colt M16's, three Colt .45's, two Remington
pump 12 guage shotguns and one old Springfield 30-06
that was used for shooting saftey lines to other ships
when the weather was to rough to get next to them so
that we would two them in. I wasn't allowed to become
a rated gunnersmate due to me being colorblind, but I
was ordred to be the boats Armorer. Go figure, its the
f*cking government what can I say. I was the guy who
stood on the bow of the boat and pointed the guns at
innocent boaters.
The Divide always looked pristine and the boat had more
awards and plaques than any of the other patrol boats in
the district. At the time there were at the top of the food
chain out of nine of these patrol boats that were all
stationed along the southern CA coastline. The Pt. Judith
in Santa Barabara, Pt Camden and Pt. Carrew in
Terminal Island, Pt. Evans in Long Beach, Pt. Bridge in
Marina del Ray, Pt. Hobart in Oceanside, Pt. Stuart and
its sister both in San Diego. During my two year stint
not one of these boats had made a drug bust of any
kind. I was told that the Pt. Bridge had accidentally
come across a bail of pot floating in the coaen while on
one of their fishing expeditions.
There was a reason for this. The drug dealers would hire
a plane to drop their catch into the water near to
Catalina Island. The package had been weighted down
so that it would sink to the bottom of the ocean. A few
days later a boat would come buy to were the dope had
been dropped, and with an electronic device that would
be used to switch on and ignite a CO2 canister attached
to the package, the dope would rise to the surface and a
guy in the boat would pick it up and go home. Bada Bing
Bada Boom !!!! Guido was in the money. No one was
ever gonna catch Guido with this sort of sophistication.
The other reason we never nabbed anyone would be due

to the fact that the drug guys could listen in on our radio
frequencies and knew at any given time the location of
each one of the CG's nine patrol boats. The CG did

finally get one of those fancy scrambling decives for

everyone of the patrol boats so as to throw the drug
guys off. But certian Coasties like SN Morgan would sell
our future patrol schedules to the drug guys. We all
knew weeks in advance the dates that we would be on
patrol and were we would be patroling. Bada Bing Bada
Boom !!!!! Guido kick a$$ again.
You get the picture, the drug war was and still is a
f*cking joke.
Most of the guys on board were from southern CA and

none of us gave a squat about the feds war on drugs. It
was just another nothing that the CG could add to its list
of non-services that they force onto society. I have no
idea how much time, money and man power was wasted
on this stupid sh*t. We patroled from the Channel
Islands, just off the coast of Santa Barbara, all the way
to Ensenada, Mexico. When patroling near the Mexican
coastline I would often see a herd of Pelican's and I
would say "Look guys, it's the Mexican Air Force.".
The Divide would do most of its drug patrols around

Catalina Island. We did board alot of boats and ships
looking for dope, but never found a thing. All we did was
piss off a lot of innocent people who were out on a
weekend cruise. We spotted one ship that was on our hit
list and I was ordered to man the fifty and point it at the
ship, but too late the guy had gotten into his Zodiac and
made to the island before we could even see him do it.
Another time we were sent to tow in a stranded yacht

that had run out of gas. The guy who who owned the
yacht was a convicted felon. When we had made it back
to our dock with this guy we were met by three DEA
agents. Two of these clowns rushed to board the ex-
con's yacht and they spent about 30 minutes on board
when on of the DEA thugs comes running out and
yelling. He ran right by me and had a small plastic
baggie in his fat little hands.
I got him. I got the son of a bitch this time.!!!!
Me - You do? What have you got there? It looks like a

bag of dirt to me.
DEA - It is a bag of dirt, only it has pot seeds in it.

Oh my gawd throw the f*ck in prison for life, cause the

DEA just busted him for having pot seeds imbeded in his
carpet aboard a yacht.
The other reason we never really busted anyone one

would be because the DEA hated our Coasite guts and
would never give us a current hit list. When we picked
this guy up we had no idea that he was an ex-con. The
DEA heard us on their radio and ran to nab this evil
doer. Remember what I posted about inner agency
rivalry in referecne to the navy earlier ? It applied to the
DEA as well, they wanted to be the guys to get the big
drug bust so that they could justify their pathetic
existence to society. And what did they get for the
taxpayers trouble? A bag of dirt with a few pot seeds in
it. BFD!!!!!!
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duncan While we was busy doing nothing or looking busy for the
Moderator public the Orange County SO was doing the very same
thing. The SO had a nice little troop of boats that they
Registered: Jul 2003 would putz around in just to harass local boaters, much
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado like a traffic copster does to collect revenue. They would
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spend most of their time inside their duty station sitting
aorund sucking on a donut or two.
Every year one of us Coasties would be appointed to ride

along with the SO in one of their boats and help them
toss captured guns over the side into the deep blue sea.
It was some sort of federal requirement that a Coasite
had to be on scene when the tossing occured. I had a
gander at the stuff that was being tossed and it was for
the most part crappy stuff that was either broken or just
those cheap Saturday Night Specials. The depuites had
stolen the good stuff prior to it all being loaded into their
boat. Imagine that?
The Baywatch guys did much of nothing as well. When

they got tired of polishing their neat little yellow speed
boat they would polish their cars. One guy owned a
Mercedes Benz and he would spend hours and hours
polishing the thing while on the job.
Newport Beach is just one rung down the food chain

from Beverly Hills, were appearances are everything to
the locals. The first American yuppie was born in
Newport Beach and everyone there had to own a yacht.
It didn't matter if you knew how to sial it, it only
mattered that you owned one. Many a Newport yuppie
would buy a yacht and then fill his two gallon tank with
gas and try to putz his way to Catalina Island. These
idiots had no idea that the small motor attached to the
yacht was for the purpose of taxing his yacht into and
out of the harbor and not meant to motor the f8cking
thing around the ocean. These new found yachtsmen
would quickly run out of gas on their way to Catalina and
the CG was sent to rescue them. Once agian a service
that could be handled by private enterprise that would
not be a burden to the taxpayers.
We recieved one distress call in which a guys yacht had

caught on fire. By the time we got there the yacht was
slowly sinking and the guy was seen in another guys
boat with a towel wrapped around him. It was to late, he
didn't need us to help him watch his yacht sink.

I cannot recall the number of idiots like these two that

we had to tow in or pluck out of the ocean. I lost count
after twenty. Why should people who live inland be
taxed for the stupid acts of rich f8cks who live in
Newport?
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04-01-2009 03:52 PM
duncan The CG can board any boat for any reason and thye
Moderator don't even need a reason. We stopped one woman and
when we stopped a boat or a ship it was mu job to stand
Registered: Jul 2003 on the bow with an M16. Intimidation factor was always
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado put into play.
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"Hey big boy are ya gonna shoot me with that gun of
yours?"
Yea she wasn't to happy and who could blame her. She
was out for the weekend trying to unwind and here
comes the f8cking CG to f8ck up her weekend. Afert this
wee incident I had an epithany, "What the f8ck am I
doing this sh*t for?"
At another instance we stopped one poor guy who was

right in the middle of a sailing race. The guy had the

lead in his little 15 foot sail boat when he was suddenly
ordered to stop his boat. He wasn't very happy either.
Being's how the Divide was a Hollywood CG boat it only

follows that we would run into famous Hollywierd types.
John Wayne lived in Newport and his home was right
along the beaches of the harbor. We would pass his
home every time we had to re-fuel and if he was out
back he would always wave to us and shout Hello!!!.
One morning I had the watch and it was raining real
hard outside to match the choopy waters. The phone
rang and I picked it up.
Me - CG Cutter Pt. Divide how may I help you?
Duke - This is John Wayne.
Me - No it isn't. Is that you Matt?
Duke - No and I really am John Wayne.
Me - You best stop f*cking around Matt or I'm gonna

kick your a$$.
Duke - I really am John Wayne and I called to tell you

about a buoy in harbor that is sinking.
OOOPS!!!! There was a small buoy behind his dock that

was sinking. I apologized and we got on it right away.
He died of cancer while I was still on the Divide and the

flag was flown at half mast that day.
One day we boarded the yacht of David Crosby who did

a real good job of hiding his dope and his guns. He gave
us all a few cassette tapes of his latest tunes. Thanks
Davey.
One day we all got to meet Buddy Ebsen aka Jed

Clampett. Buddy was a catamaran enthusiast and owned
a few of them. He asked us to take him into the harbor
in the boat's tax paid for Boston Whaler so that he could
take pictures of a certain catamaran. Our tax consuming
CO agreed. Why?
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04-01-2009 04:21 PM
duncan By 1978 and 1979 the GC was sucking air to get people
Moderator to enlist and re-enlist. The retention rate for first
termers was at an all time low of 11% and at 17% for
Registered: Jul 2003 second termers.
Posts: 9017 All of the SN's and FN's on board had already served two
to three years in the Guard. The CG wasn't placing boots
on any of these patrol boats in hopes that the older guys
would re-up. I didn't work, nearly everyone I had served
with on the Divide got out, including the CO LTJG
Freeman. The BM1's, being the societal losers that they
were, stayed in.
Oh well. Low pay, bad moral and just all round military
bullsh*t is why no one was interested in staying in.
There were some months that we would not even get
paid on time, due to Carter's BS with congress. Many of
the guys who were married had to apply for food
stamps, cause the pay was so low.
Do our four and get the f8ck out. Their stupid game of
telling men that since they are color blind then they
would not be allowed to go out for all but two ratings,
had finally back fired on these slobs. Who wants to be a
f*cking Cook? Only a loser would.

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04-01-2009 04:32 PM
duncan BMC Kimball, the man with a pickled brain.

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Kimball was your average run of the mill drunken lifer.
Registered: Jul 2003 The problem with having a drunk on duty is that
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado someone might get hurt or even killed.
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The BMC was the XO of the boat and he was the guy
who drove or operated the Divide when it left and
entered the harbor. Every time we got ready to hook up
to the dock Kimball would ram the side of the boat into
the pier causing a lot of damage to the Divide. I got sick
and tried of having to repair the side of the hull every
time this fool slammed the boat into a wall.
The guy was a total mush head. After years and years of
boozing it up his mind had finally gone bonkers. One day
a seal had managed to jump up onto a float that was
used to get around the hull so that we could paint and
clean the Divide when at port. Myself and FN Peters
were both standing there watching the seal hang out,
when Peters got the idea to feed him some squid that
Peters had on board that he would use for fish bait. We

were both tossing the seal some squid food and then
Kimball comes along.
Godamn it Philp, how did that seal get on that float? You
put it there didn't you?
Kimball was serious. Yea I jumped in the water captured

the thing with my bare hands and then threw him up
onto the float.
I had zero respect for this idiot and would always treat
him like I would any drunk that I had met on the street
who would come up to me to beg me for money to get a
drink. Kimball wanted dearly to get even with me for
treating him like sh*t, but he didn't have the
imagination to figure out how to do it. Blaming me for
placing a seal on a float was the best this fool come up
with.
It so bad that the CO called upon the District Admiral's

mouth piece to pay me a personal visit. The mouth piece
was a MC Radioman, who's job it was to hear the
complaints of enlisted people and relay it to the District
Admiral and to scold enlisted types who's CO felt needed
an a$$ chewing.
The MCPO heard my grip about the incredible nature of

Kimball and his mental instability and the he heard
Kimball's rant. The MCPO then explained to me that
regardless of Kimball's character I must respect his
authority. The MCPO pointed at the pins on his shirt
collar and said
"You have to respect the rank son."
I had a very quick and short response to his BS.
"One does not demand respect, one must first earn it."
Kimball had done nothing to earn my respect and he

wasn't gonna get any of it from me. The MCPO was
visibly upset and offered me an early discharged. I
asked him at what price would this early discharge cost
me and he told me that it would be a "General
Discharge". I told him "With only nine months to go,
nothing doing dad.". Kimball would be retired and gone
in six months.

What amazed me about the guy was the fact that

although he was 38 years of age when he retired the CG
he looked to be all of 50. I heard that he took a job
filling up vending machines and that he died at an early
age from to much alcohol. The CG had so many of these
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duncan Coast Guard Recruit Trainer Sentenced to Navy Brig

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CAPE MAY — Former recruit company commander, Petty
Officer 1st Class Wilson Medina, a gunner's mate at
Coast Guard Training Center Cape May, pled guilty
March 11 during a general court-martial to charges of
assault consummated by a battery and sodomy.
The specific charges included one count of abusive

sexual contact and one count of forcible sodomy. The
alleged incident occurred off base and the accused was
in an off-duty status at the time.
According to Coast Guard spokesperson CWO Veronica

Bandrowsky, Medina will receive 13 months of
confinement in a U.S. Navy brig. Medina will be demoted
from an E6 pay grade to E1, the lowest pay grade, with
no pay or benefits. He will also receive a bad conduct
discharge.
Bandrowski said there is an automatic appeal to the

Coast Guard Court of Criminal Appeals based on the
sentence imposed. The punitive discharge is not
effective until all appeals are completed. Normally, a
member with a sentence such as this is placed ina non-
pay appellate leave status upon release from
confinement pending completion of appeals.
Medina was part of the training division staff, and served

as a recruit company commander. He was reassigned to
new duties with no contact with recruits.
The victim was also a Coast Guard member and his

identity has no been officially released.
The allegations against Medina were first reported on

Dec. 10, 2007.
In May 2007, then Herald Assistant Managing Editor

Susan Avedissian attended a preliminary hearing one
year ago. At that time, a Coast Guard seaman, “J.M.”
testified that an episode of watching boxing on television
and drinking beer and vodka with his former company
commander Medina turned into something else entirely
when Medina reached into his pants and grabbed his

crotch.
A separate incident later that night in which J.M. testified

after he fell asleep, he was awoken to find Medina
performing a sex act on him which was the basis for a
separate charge under Article 125 of forcible sodomy.
J.M. graduated from Coast Guard Training Center Cape

May in October 2007 and was as-signed to the Coast
Guard Small Boat Station as his first assignment. He’d
been on base only a few days when he testified the
incident occurred, on Nov. 10-11, 2007.
According to J.M., Medina had invited him to his house

to watch a pay-per-view boxing match on television.
After an evening with Medina and his wife ****a and
their three children, J.M. told Investigating Officer Lt.
Cmdr. Russell E. Bowman that the rest of the family
went to bed.
The Uniform Code of Military Justice controls the

proceedings. Medina was charged with a violation of
Article 125 of the Code, forcible sodomy, and of Article
120 abusive sexual contact. The maximum term of
imprisonment on the sodomy charge is life without
parole; seven years for the abusive sexual contact
charge.
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04-03-2009 07:20 PM
duncan Women in the CG is a bad idea and we can see why.

Moderator
I during my stint I never encountered any female
Registered: Jul 2003 coasties until I spent my last few months on a CG base
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado in San Pedro, CA. It wasn't working on base then and it
Posts: 9017 would appear that it ain't working now.
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04-03-2009 07:23 PM

duncan http://warisboring.com/?p=77
Moderator
Coast Guard commandant Admiral Thad Allen has all but
Registered: Jul 2003 surrendered to critics who’ve been saying that the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado service’s sprawling $24-billion Deepwater modernization
Posts: 9017
program is fatally flawed and rife with corruption,
according to The New York Times:
“We have been running some parts of the Coast Guard

like a small business when we are a Fortune 500
company,” Admiral Allen said in a speech on Tuesday to
several hundred Coast Guard officials. “We need to
evolve with changing times.” A new deputy commandant
for mission support will oversee the design, acquisition
and construction of new ships and aircraft and the
maintenance of the fleet once they are built, functions
that are now managed separately.
That will allow the Coast Guard to avoid giving so much

authority for design and construction choices to
contractors, like Lockheed Martin and Northrop
Grumman, which renovated the first eight trouble-
plagued ships in the Deepwater program.
The boats in question are the 123-foot Island-class

patrol boats first fielded more than 15 years ago. Last
year, former Lockheed Martin engineer Mike DeKort
called out the firm for allegedly botching improvements
to the boats’ communications. A report from the Coast
Guard Inspector General this week confirms some of the
flaws, including bad wiring and leaky system security.
The eight boats were withdrawn from service a couple

months ago, causing a minor panic in a service that was
already short of patrol boats as it awaits the introduction
of two classes of brand-new boats over the next decade.
In an email on Tuesday, DeKort declared victory:
The ICGS [partnership between Lockheed Martin and

Northrop Grumman] parties involved have demonstrated
themselves to be incompetent and ethically, technically
and professionally bankrupt. Also – the IG told me very
clearly that the CG and LM were not cooperating with
their investigation. They could not get data they asked
for or run re-tests they asked for.
But read the IG report carefully:

Aspects of the C4ISR equipment installed aboard the

123′ cutters do not meet the design standards set forth
in the Deepwater contract. Specifically, two of the four
areas of concern identified by the complainant were
substantiated and are the result of the contractor not
complying with the design standards identified in the
Deepwater contract. For example, the contractor did not
install low smoke cabling aboard the 123′ cutter, despite
a Deepwater contract requirement that stated, “all
shipboard cable added as a result of the modification to
the vessel shall be low smoke.” The intent of this
requirement was to eliminate the polyvinyl chloride
jacket encasing the cables, which for years produced
toxic fumes and dense smoke during shipboard fire.
Additionally, the contractor installed C4ISR topside
equipment aboard both the 123′ cutters and
prosecutors, which either did not comply or was not
tested to ensure compliance with specific environmental
performance requirements outlined in the Deepwater
contract.
Honestly, these are relatively minor complaints. And

bear in mind that the boats were withdrawn from service
due to hull buckling, not due to the problems DeKort
pointed out. Before the buckling became apparent, the
first couple modernized boats actually performed quite
well, according to one former crewman, Master Chief
Eric Gallett. He dismissed DeKort’s allegations as missing
the point. The boats’ major strengths were their
networked computers.
As for the hull buckling … these boats were designed to

last 15 years. And they did. The Coast Guard ran into
problems when it tried to keep the boats past their
intended service life. Keeping an aged fleet afloat while
awaiting new ships is one of the service’s major
challenges, as I describe in the current issue of Defense
Technology International:
At the Coast Guard Yard in southern Maryland, the

[Deepwater] revolution seems a long way off, and the
rust is right in your face. At this 108-year-old facility,
the Coast Guard’s only government-owned shipyard, 400
workers commanded by Captain Steve Duca gut, repair
then piece back together the service’s aging medium
cutters and patrol boats, keeping them afloat and livable

until they can be replaced with ships like Bertholf.

Duca’s is delicate work – “like surgery,” he says. And it’s
increasingly urgent. With more than 80 cutters larger
than 100 feet, the Coast Guard has the world’s 12th-
largest navy. But its fleet is, on average, around a
quarter-century old, making it the 38th oldest of the
world’s 40 largest navies. Deepwater has suffered
delays. The last new ships and aircraft won’t join the
force for another two decades, several years later than
originally planned. So an old fleet is just getting older.
I’m not one to stand by defense contractors just for the

Hell of it. When they’re wrong, they’re wrong. But in this
case, Lockheed Martin is guilty only of minor crimes. But
these crimes have been blown out of proportion by
critics. The 123s worked just fine before their ancient
hulls gave out. But when these hulls did give out, folks
like DeKort saw an opportunity to attack the contractors.
And that’s just not fair.
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04-03-2009 07:29 PM

duncan It would appear that little has changed since I left this
Moderator sh*t bird outfit thirty years ago.
Registered: Jul 2003 While in Hawaii I had heard of a GM3 getting busted for
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado attempting to steal and sell a stock of M16's.
Posts: 9017
The CG enlisted a bunch of these Phillipinos, many of
whom served as Cooks and many of whom stole food
from the mess and took it home for their own personal
consumption or to sell to their pals.
Wasting tax dollars was the duty of every CO and done

to justify the over inflated budget of the CG.
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04-03-2009 07:34 PM

duncan http://www.denverpost.com/ci_120795...e=rssfeeddigest
Moderator
BOGOTÁ — It's a game played out regularly off
Registered: Jul 2003 Colombia's Pacific coast: A U.S. Navy helicopter spots a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado vessel the size of a whale gliding just beneath the
Posts: 9017
water's surface. A Coast Guard ship dispatches an armed
team to board the small, submarinelike craft in search of
cocaine. Crew members wave and jump into the sea to
be rescued but not before they open flood valves and
send the fiberglass hulk and its cargo into the deep.
Colombia has yet to make a single arrest in such
scuttlings because the evidence has sunk.
A new U.S. law and proposed legislation in Colombia aim

to thwart what has become South American traffickers'
newest preferred means of getting multiton loads to
Mexico and Central America. Twelve people have been
arrested under the Drug Trafficking Vessel Interdiction
Act of 2008 since it went into effect in October. It
outlaws such unregistered craft plying international
waters "with the intent to evade detection."
Crew members are subject to up to 15 years in prison.
"It's very likely a game-changer," said Jay Bergman, the

U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's regional
director, based in Colombia. "You don't get a get-out-of-
jail-free card anymore."
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04-06-2009 03:16 PM
duncan Famous Coasties

Moderator
Victor Mature
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado In July 1942 Mature attempted to enlist in the U.S. Navy
Posts: 9017 but was rejected for color blindness. He enlisted in the U.
S. Coast Guard after taking a different eye test the same
day. He was assigned to the USCGC Storis (WMEC-38),
which was doing Greenland patrol work. After 14 months
aboard the Storis, Mature was promoted to the rate of
Chief Boatswain's Mate.
Cesar Romero
In October, 1942, he voluntarily enlisted in the U.S.

Coast Guard and served in the Pacific Theatre. He
reported aboard the Coast Guard-manned assault
transport USS Cavalier (APA-37) in November, 1943 and
saw action at Tinian and Saipan. He preferred to be a
regular part of the crew and was eventually promoted to
the rank of chief boatswain's mate.[1]
Buddy Ebsen
He applied for a Coast Guard commission, was accepted,

and promptly given the rank of Lieutenant, Junior Grade.
This was one step up from the rank of Ensign, which is
the usual rank given newly-appointed naval officers. He
served as damage control officer and later as executive
officer on the Coast Guard-manned Navy frigate USS
Pocatello, which recorded weather at its “weather
station” approximately 1,500 miles west of Seattle.
These patrols consisted of thirty days at sea, followed by
ten days in port at Seattle. He was honorably discharged
as a lieutenant in 1946.[2]
Alan Hale jr.
During the Second World War, he enlisted in the United

States Coast Guard. After his father's death in 1950,
Junior was dropped from his name.

Infamous Coasties Alex Haley
On May 24, 1939, Alex Haley began his 20-year service

with the Coast Guard.
Duncan Philp
Served in Coast Guard as a gunnersmate during the era

of the "Cold War". Mr. Philp spent 18 months in Alaska
on the USCGC Sedge and later on the USCGC Pt. Divide,
a Hollywood patrol boat stationed in Carona del Mar,
California. Mr. Philp is now an infamous anarchist being
watched by the FBI, Homeland Security, the ATF and
other law enforcement agenices. His rants can be read
on copwatch.net and wyomingtrt.com.
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duncan LTJG Sanderson left the Divide after I had been on board about six
Moderator months he was replaced by LTJG Freeman. I made mention of Freeman
earlier and we did serve together on the Sedge. Freeman apparently
Registered: Jul 2003 hated Sanderson, who made LT and was transfered to district
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado headquarters were he was the personal aid of the district admiral. The
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words "ass kisser" come to mind when I think of LT. Sanderson, many of
these officers were into to the prestige and power of it all i.e., it was all
done for the self serving of one's ego and it often had nothing to do with
the service of one's country. That would describe one type of military
personality.
Freeman was a nationalist who loved power. Like most officers he was an
academy graduate and like the majority of academy graduates they went
though the academy on a tax paid for free ride. To graduate from a
military academy is like graduating from a major university, but done at
the expense of the taxpayers. These people will spend four years in
college and the first term in the CG will be for five years. Freeman only
did five years and he was out. Most of us did four years and never got a

free ride to college before or after four years of service.
Freeman was big on being #1 and at any cost. Every year we had to
conduct drill inspections and we had to be the fastest at doing rescues
and the best shots on the fifty cal. The base gunnersmate a guy by the
name of GM1 Moss hated Freeman and wanted to keep the guy from
getting that coveted #1 placard for the year. We went out to sea and I
manned the .50 cal. Moss then ordered me to replace the firing pin.
Normally one had to remove the entire loading block and take it all apart
like a small puzzle, remove the firing pin and then replace it. I discovered
a much quicker way to deal with it. I removed the block and replaced it
with an entirely new block, only taking me five second to do it. Moss had
a sh*t fit and would not allow me to do it that way. I did it his way and
still I did it well under the required time limit. I was then ordered to
throw a floating target over the side, which we sailed away from. Moss
then instructed me on the incorrect way to shoot the target, he wanted
me to miss it. Freeman heard the order and replaced me with MK1
Bullock, who was a combat vet and he ingored Moss's order. Bullock hit
the target and Moss lost his battle with Freeman.
What a jerk fest of **** fighting and this stupid sort of crap would go on
ad-nauseum.
I just did this search engine on Freeman, he died a few months ago.
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http://www.zwire.com/site/news.cfm?...id=624456&rfi=6
James Freeman III
James F. Freeman III of Collegeville died July 11, 2008, after an illness.
He was 53.
Mr. Freeman was born in Cincinnati, Ohio, a son of Dorris (Burris) and
James F. Freeman Jr. of Cincinnati, Ohio.
Mr. Freeman graduated from the Coast Guard Academy, where he earned
a B.S. in economics and management. During his career in the Coast
Guard he was stationed in Homer, Alaska, and was the commanding
officer of USCGC Pt. Divide in Newport Beach, Calif., and was the rescue
coordinator for the Great Lakes, stationed in Cleveland. He attained the
rank of lieutenant and served several years in the reserves after his
discharge from active duty.
As a civilian, he was a senior business executive at several firms in the

industrial gas industry. He was a member and past president of the
Optimist Club in Collegeville and was very active in the local Little
League. He enjoyed golf and traveling and loved baseball and being with
friends and family.
Mr. Freeman was the husband of Robbi-Ann (Blackburn) Freeman to

whom he was married for 31 years. In addition to his parents and wife,
he is survived by his children, Lisa-Ann Michelle Freeman of Hamilton,
Bermuda, and James F. Freeman IV of Philadelphia; and his sister, Ella
Watkins of Cincinnati.
Relatives and friends are invited to attend his funeral Mass on July 17 at

10:30 a.m. at St. Eleanor Catholic Church, 6th Avenue and Locust Street
in Collegeville. Military honors will be rendered. Friends may call at the
church from 9:30 to 10:15 a.m. Interment will be private.
Contributions in Mr. Freeman's memory may be made to St. Jude's

Children's Research Hospital, 501 St. Jude Place, Memphis, TN 38105 or
to the Charlie VanFossen Memorial Scholarship Fund, 461 Collegeville
Rd., Collegeville, PA 19426, c/o Bob Fisher.
Condolences may be expressed at www.ruggierofh.com.
Arrangement are by the Ruggiero Funeral Home, Trappe.
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I'm a bit shocked. The guy was a body builder type and always looked fit.
Oh well ya know when yer getting old, he was just two years older than
me when he died.
http://www.ruggierofh.com./obituaries.htm
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04-12-2009 09:32 PM

duncan As I recall Freeman arrived on board the Sedge just a few days before I
Moderator did and he would have been the only guy that I did my entire sea duty
with.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado A few weeks on the Sedge and Freeman had gone around asking others
Posts: 9017 to play a tag football game with him. We loaded up several men and
headed to the football field of the local school. The game went from tag
to full on tackle with no pads or helmets. Freeman hit one guy so hard
that the poor devil had snot running out his nose for hours.
The time we spent in Seattle Freeman was suffering from a boil on his
arse and he had me take him to a doctor to have it lanced. I waited for
him at the doctors office and then took him back to the ship. He had to
lay down on his side the whole way back. I helped him to his cabin and
after he had laid down he ordered me to go get SN Hermann. I got
Hermann for him and Hermann was ordered to see Freeman the
following evening. I had no idea what the deal was and at the time
neither did SN Hermann. Two days later I ran into Hermann and I asked
him what Freeman had wanted him for.
"That a$$hole ordered me to remove the bandage from his a$$ hole.
How f*cking disgusting."
While on the Pt. Divide, Freeman ordered us all into the boat house for
a little talk. Some one had been over heard to be bitching about the fact
that we never get any thanks for doing our job. Freeman made a point
that I totally agreed with.
"You all got paid to a job and as such no thanks is required."
During my last six months on the Divide I had gotten really fed up with
the CG BS and over time Freeman had become more and more verbally
abusive to everyone and to the point that we had both had enough of
each other. I would be banished to CG Base Terminal Island for the last
four months of my term.
I never held a grudge for the guy and I was sorry to read of his death.
Goodbye LT.
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04-15-2009 12:02 AM
duncan Weapons training in the CG was pathetic to say the least. What was
Moderator taught in boot camp consisted of one day at the range for pistol training
and another day at the range for rifle training and most of the boots
Registered: Jul 2003 would fail the final test.
Posts: 9017 There was NO training on the Sedge. We would hold a GQ drill and a
chosen few of us would assemble on the gun tub with the ships
Gunnersmate.
While serving with the Divide there was one day out of a two year
period that all the patrol boat crews were brought together at a
shooting range located in Seal Beach, CA. About fifty men were first
given a .45 ACP and instructed on how to shoot it from various positions
and distances. The same thing was done with the M16.
Most of them failed to get the needed score to acquire even a

marksman ribbon. I had the second highest score for the pistol and the
rifle. Who had the highest score? Ltjg Freeman, who had to cheat to get
the highest score. Freeman brought his own handgun, which was .41
mag Ruger single action. Not the standard issue of any military service.
This would probably explain why GM1 Moss was out to get Freeman.
To get any training you simply had to buy your own gun and find a
shooting range to practice on. Pathetic.
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04-16-2009 10:09 PM
duncan I had stated earlier that I had very little contact with navy personel. But
Moderator from time to time I would have to go onto the Naval Base in Long Beach
(now closed) to purchase uniforms. I also stated that for the most part
Registered: Jul 2003 the CG was much more informal organization than the navy was,
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado meaning we did very little saluting of officers, we simply greeted them
Posts: 9017
in a courteous fashion.
As I was on my way to the commissary at Long Beach naval ship yard I

had walked right passed a Navy Captain without bothering to salute
him. I didn't even say Hello to the dipsh*t.
Cpt. - Hey sailor
Me - Me?
Cpt. - Yes you. Come here now.
Me - Whacha need bub?
Cpt. - You are suppose to salute me.
Me - I don't think so. I work for the DOT and you work for the DOD and
as such I am only required to salute CG officers.
Cpt. - We shall see about that young man. I want your name rank and
serial number, I'm gonna report you to CG headquarters.
Me- Sure thing and good luck with that.
I gave the goon what he had asked for and went on my merry way.
Nothing ever happened other than CG HQ called to tell my CO that
some irate navy Cpt. had called to whine about not being treated with
respect by a certain Coastie by the name of SN Philp. I was told by the
CO that the good Captains complaint had gone into the round file.
The round file is located on the floor next to every desk, some people
call it a trash can.
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04-16-2009 10:36 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
As I was on my way to the commissary at Long

Beach naval ship yard I had walked right passed a
Navy Captain without bothering to salute him. I
didn't even say Hello to the dipsh*t.
...
I gave the goon what he had asked for and went

Registered: Jun 2005 on my merry way. Nothing ever happened other
Location: Tucson, AZ than CG HQ called to tell my CO that some irate
Posts: 5865
navy Cpt. had called to whine about not being
treated with respect by a certain Coastie by the
name of SN Philp.
Those arrogant fucks (officers in general, senior and flag officers in

particular) go ballistic when not saluted or treated with royal
deference because they are utterly useless, dickless pieces of sh!t
with oversized egos who need constant acknowledgment of their
right to consume and waste precious oxygen.
One of the most most delicious aspects of separating from service

was not having to treat these arrogant scumbags with any form of
deference whatsoever. To this day, whenever I accidentally
encounter a military officer in public (something I go to unbelievable
lengths to avoid), I either ignore their presence or, if I'm greeted,
say something snide or insulting and just keep on walking. These
guys are treated as demigods by a brainless and gullible public, so
I'm just doing my part to reverse the trend and bring them back
down to earth with the rest of us human beings before others do it
in a less civilized manner.
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powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void, and of no force." -
Thomas Jefferson
"And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home with the
pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty, collusive silence of
good police officers that makes possible the ever-accumulating
atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg

"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will lose its
freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort or money that it
values more, it will lose that too.
04-17-2009 03:54 AM
duncan The officer goon in question was a medical officer. I spotted the medical
Moderator insignia on his collar right away and figured the guy probably didn't
know sh8t.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado There was only one other instance I had to spend on a naval station or
Posts: 9017 rather a Marine Corps air station located in El Toro. The CG has no
medical corps or doctors, just lousy corpsman. I had to go El Toro for an
allergy problem, found out after I was stung by a certain kind of bee
that I'm allergic to bee stings. As I was walking to the infirmary I had to
walk past a Marine barracks, which was bieng guarded by a Marine.
Jar Head - How's the Navy brother? ( said with a sneer)
Me - I wouldn't know, I'm in the Coast Guard. ( said with a sneer)
Jar Head - Oh.
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04-17-2009 03:19 PM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
The officer goon in question was a medical officer.

I spotted the medical insignia on his collar right
away and figured the guy probably didn't know
sh8t.

I guarantee you he didn't. Any "doctor" in the military above the
Posts: 5865 rank of Major/Lieutenant Commander (O-4) is almost certainly an
incompetent, dangerous quack who would have had his medical
license revoked and been the target of a malpractice lawsuit were
he "practicing" in the private sector. Does anyone remember the
case of Navy "doctor", Commander Donal Billig, back in the 80s,
who was responsible for an obscene number of patient deaths
(http://www.time.com/time/magazine/a...promoid=googlep)?
That's a typical example.
I actually had a young LTJG doctor at Bethesda hand me a

questionnaire as I completed my separation physical back in '99,
begging me to fill it out and complain to his "superiors" about the
terrible service in the military medicine clinic. This brave young guy
couldn't have been more than a year or so out of med school and
told me that the main reason he accepted a commission into the
medical corps was to pay off his med school bills and that he was
"out of there" as soon as that happened. He was already deeply
disgusted with the state of military medicine (this was at the
National Naval Medical Center in the D.C. suburbs, the "Cream of
the Crop" for military medicine. If things were that bad there, God
only knows what things were like out in the Fleet) and was trying to
do something, anything, to change things. I wanted to tell him that
he was banging his head against an immobile concrete and granite
wall and that he might has well have been trying to piss on a raging
forest fire to put it out.
I never saw this young man again, but hopefully he is by now

practicing in the private sector.
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04-17-2009 05:52 PM
duncan It was the year of the Iran/US hostage fiasco. The Shah of Iran was out
Moderator and the Ayatollah Khomeini was in. The boat had recieved a few bomb
threats, as is the Divide would have been any kind of big score for
Registered: Jul 2003 wannabe terrorists.
Posts: 9017 I still recall the images of Iranians burning the US flag along with an
effigy of President Carter, which at the time had inflamed me. And at
the time I had no idea that the Shah was nothing more than a CIA
lackey, who had tortured innocent people on a regular basis. For had I
known my opinons at the time would have been a whole lot different.
The Iran hostage crisis was a diplomatic crisis between Iran and the
United States where 52 U.S. diplomats were held hostage for 444 days
from November 4, 1979 to January 20, 1981, after a group of Islamist
students took over the American embassy in support of the Iranian
revolution.[2]
Shortly before the revolution on New Year's Day 1978, American

president Jimmy Carter further angered anti-Shah Iranians with a
televised toast to the Shah, declaring how beloved the Shah was by his
people. After the revolution in February, the embassy had been
occupied and staff held hostage briefly. Rocks and bullets had broken
enough of the embassy front-facing windows for them to be replaced
with bullet-proof glass. Its staff was reduced to just over 60 from a high
of nearly 1000 earlier in the decade.[15]
The entire nation was held hostage, every day was an agonizing
experinece and hatred for arabs ran rampant among the majority of
americans. Carter had the opportunity to deal with it then and so did
Reagan, but as a result of diplomatic and political mumbo jumbo we are
still at war with these people.
It was the aftermath of the the 1983 murder of 220 Marines in Beruit at
the hands of a kamakazie arab that had changed my mind forever about
the federal government. Reagan did NOTHING to avenge the murder of
these Marines. I had voted for this phoney gas bag and had at one time
bought into his crap. No more.
The Beirut barracks bombing was a major incident on October 23, 1983,
during the Lebanese Civil War. Two truck bombs struck separate
buildings in Beirut that housed United States and French military forces
—members of the Multinational Force in Lebanon—killing 299
servicemen, including 220 U.S. Marines. The blasts led to the
withdrawal of the international peacekeeping force from Lebanon, where
they had been stationed since the Israeli 1982 invasion of Lebanon. The
organization Islamic Jihad took responsibility for the bombing, but that
organization is thought to have been a nom de guerre for Hezbollah —

or a group that would later become part of Hezbollah[1] — receiving

help from the Islamic Republic of Iran.[2]
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04-18-2009 11:46 PM
duncan One day we had recieved a distress call and at the time of the call we
Moderator had no CO around to lead us into battle.
Registered: Jul 2003 We really didn't need him as we had the QM1, the BM1, the MK1, the FN
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado and two SN's. We had drilled a drilled and been on more than just a few
Posts: 9017 distress calls that we really had no use for a CO. HQ in Long Beach
refused to let us get underway until they could locate Freeman.
Well yea that makes sense, wait for the CO and let some poor slob
drowned until we can locate him. I mean we can't save the guy anyway
unless a CO is on board to order us around uh ?
So we just sat there until the guys boat sunk and the Orange County
Harbor Patrol went out and picked him out of the water. We saw the
guy go buy in the Orange County harbor boat and he was wrapped in a
towel and shviring. The guy gave us a very ugly look. Who could blame
him and all we could do was shrug and wave bye to him.
I was thinking of my story when I saw the Navy sit around on their
collective a$$es for days while a certian captian of a certian freighter
was sitting in small boat being held as a hostage.
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04-20-2009 12:17 AM
liberranter quote:
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The entire nation was held hostage, every day was

an agonizing experinece and hatred for arabs ran
rampant among the majority of americans.
Which served as a personal reminder for me of how stupid and

clueless most Amoricons were (and still are), since Iranians aren't
Posts: 5865 even Arabs.
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duncan Even at sea they have stop lights for shipping traffic. Port = Left and
Moderator starboard = right and on every large boat and ship there is a red light
located on the port side and a green light on the starboard side. When
Registered: Jul 2003 two ships are about to cross paths and one ship is on the port side of
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the other ship then that ship must slow down or stop and give the right
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away to the other ship.
One guy fialed to do just that to us. Bad enough that he had fialed to do
it at all, but he did it in front of a CG boat. We had to stop the guy and
board his craft. I did my usual stint with my M16 on the bow and in
ready position. While the boarding crew boarded the insolent skipper of
this wayward boat. I saw three fat bodies come up onto the deck of the
boarded boat to argue with our boarding crew. I got ready to draw
down on these three easy to hit fat body targets when all of the sudden
the CO yelled at me to get into the captian's quarters and hide.
What the f*ck over?
I did what I was ordered to do for a while and then I would pop back
onto the aft deck with my M16 in hand to see if I needed to whack
anyone. The CO would yell at me again to hide in his cabin. This time I
retreated and would peek out every now adn again to see what the f*ck
was going on and then I saw the boarding crew returning back to the
Divide.
Wen the boarding crew was back on board I could sense that they were
all a wee bit pissed off and wanted to kick some butt. The CO was still
yelling at me and for what ever reason I had no idea other than his
panties were in wad and shoved into his a$$hole, causing him poor
blood circulation to his brain.
Someone finally clued me in as to what the f*ck was going on. These
three fat bodies were all retired naval officers and our CO was scared
sh*tless that he would get his titty in a ringer over policing these three
arrogant slimballs. Imgaine that, the CO thinking only of himself and
not giving a sh*t about his own crew. This is what the boarding crew
was pissed off about.
The three fat boys were just f*cking with Freeman and the CG, which
would have been an even better reason to have me whack them with
my rifle and then sink their boat with my trusty .50 cal.
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04-21-2009 10:16 PM
duncan Ship's history:

Moderator The Point Divide was stationed at Newport Beach, CA, from 1962 to
1965. She was used for law enforcement and search and rescue
Registered: Jul 2003 operations.
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the Nixon Presidency, she, in concert with the Point Hobart, performed
Presidential Support Duty. Each cutter would alternate patrols off the
coast in the security zone around the President's retreat for three days
before being relieved by the other cutter.
In May 1969, she dewatered and towed pleasure craft At Last to

Newport, CA. In January 1970, she rescued a passenger from a
distressed sailboat and subsequently towed the boast to Newport. In
July 1970, she towed the carcass of a whale from Salt Creek Beach, CA,
out to sea. On 29 May 1985, she seized F/V Ocean Joy 15 miles
southwest of San Clemente Island with 10 tons of marijuana on board.
The crew of the F/V had attempted to scuttle her.
USCGC Point Divide (WPG-82337)
All of these 82' patrol boats have been decommed. The Divide was done
for in 1995 and sold. They have been replaced by 87' and the new ones
look like crap.
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04-22-2009 09:07 PM
duncan USCGC Crappie

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04-22-2009 09:29 PM
duncan The Divide was replaced by the USCGC NARWHAL (WPB 87335) Corona
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04-22-2009 09:32 PM
duncan WPB 82' and ain't it cute?

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04-22-2009 09:39 PM
duncan We had a QM1 by the name of Dana who was shall we say was a CG
Moderator zealot. You know the kind, the company is his life or his god.
Registered: Jul 2003 This guy would invent ways to make the boat look gaudy. Half hitch
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado decorations on every rail and every round piped fixture on the boat. he
Posts: 9017 designed and embossed a CG Eagle with all the fixin's in the center of
the bow. He also had designed and painted a pic of the Divide on a boat
cover located on the aft/ port side of the boat.
The last year when had I served on the Divide we spent a few weeks
docked at Terminal Island to conduct routine repairs and upkeep of the
boat. We had to sand blast and paint. This is when SA's and SN's get to
learn about things like 'red lead', 'blue death' and "zinc chromate"
painting primers etc.. .
I had the dubious pleasure of taking an axe to Dana's boat cover. It was
so much fun, but the BMC and the CO didn't find the same sort of
pleasure in its destruction That I had and both of them booked me for
the destruction of government property.

It was worth it. OOHAAA!!!!
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04-22-2009 09:51 PM
duncan When not on duty I could be found hanging out with my shipmates.
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The Divide had the following issue of men.
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BMC - 1
BM1 - 2
MK1 - 2
QM1 - 2
FN - 2
SN - 4
and all listed in pecking order.
I would hang with the FN's, the QM's , the SN's and the MK1's.
My pals were SN Matt Williams of Huntington Beach, CA. SN Terry

MccBee from Tennessee. SN Glenn Morgan from San Diego. MK2 Smith
from San Diego and QM1 Paul Anderson from Petaluma, CA.
When with Williams we did a lot of drinking and whoring about. Matt's
sister owned a small breakfast joint called the "Sugar Shack" and I am
told that it still in business. Matt had transferred from the Pt. Camden
and so I would meet up with many of the crew from this patrol boat.
Guys like Gary Duncan and Kevin Mansfield.

Gary had gotten into a bit of trouble with the San Pedro PD. Some fella
owed Gary some money and the fella had told Gary to F off, so Gary
had decided to make a collection with the aid of a baseball bat. Gary got
his money and fled the guys house only to followed back to TI CG base
by several copsters. The CG Base JOOD called on his fellow coasties to
get an M16 from the armory and escort the SPPD copscum off of the
base. And they did just that. No coppa's were gonna invade a CG base.
Kevin Mansfield is the son of a Hollywood agent who at one time had
worked with people like David Cassidy and Shirley Jones. We got to
listen to the real hollywierd stories.
One time we all got together at Matt's home and had one of those toga
parties and we all wore togas. That was all we wore.
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04-22-2009 10:12 PM
duncan And it looks like the 'swine flu' is back in vogue. When it all broke out
Moderator way back in '76, the CG ordered that all of its inmates take the vaccine
and the vaccine had later killed more people than did the flu.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado An MK3 Evans had refused to take his shot of the vaccine. I had crossed
Posts: 9017 paths with him in the passage way and he was ranting away about he
was never gonna take that shot. Evans did more whining than any ten
people on board and when I walked by the CO, shortly after running
into Evans, I gave the usual greeting.
"Good morning sir and have you heard that MK3 Evans is refusing to
take his vaccination shot ?"

"He is uh?"
"Yes sir."
The Captain ordered three men to grab Evans, bring to the officer mess
hall of the Sedge and hold him down. They really stuck it to him.
The Sedge was replaced by the USCGC Hickory.
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04-29-2009 02:37 PM
duncan I came across this poem by Kipling.

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I dip and I surge and I swing
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado In the trip of a racing tide,
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By the gates of doom I sing,
On the horns of death I ride,
A ship-length overside,
Between the course and sand,
Fretted and bound I bide
Peril whereof I cry.
Would I challenge with my brother a league inland?
(Shoal! "Ware shoal!) Not I!

"The Bell Bouy"
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04-29-2009 02:44 PM
duncan Freeman was your stereotypical officer, who had more brass on his
Moderator uniform than he had character.
Registered: Jul 2003 The CG is a haven for a self serving kind of guy who wants to make a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado name for himself. The CG offers power, prestige and money for folks
Posts: 9017 like Freeman and Sanderson. Trust me, it never has anything to do with
the service of thy fellow man and thy nation. "What's in it for me." It
the hidden motto of nearly every officer.
The other kind of personality I met with would be the kind of guy who is
looking to skate his entire life. That would be BM1 Marc Phillips. Phillips
would brag about his last duty station in which he did NOTHING but
hang out at a light house only to change few lighthouse light bulbs when
ever the need arose.
I just couldn't do it any longer. I couldn't do busy work for the sake of
looking busy so as to impress the ignorant taxpayers just so that they
would all think we were really doing something important. I needed to
do something that was constructive, I needed to work for a living. It
was all boring the hell out of me and it was finally starting to get to me.
I had enough of Herr Freeman and his ballistic temper tantrums.
One morning Freemen had decided to have court over some obscure
crapola and he went on this rant that would turn into a screaming fit
about something. He stormed out of the room and after a few seconds
Merle Peters stood up and gave us his Freeman imitation. It was
hilarious and none of us could stop laughing. Freeman was in the other
room and could hear only a little bit of it, but he could hear enough of it
to know that we were all laughing about him. He ran back into the

room, but by now Peters had already sat down.
"Who the f*ck was just speaking while I was in the other room?"
silence
"I demand to know who was mocking me?"
silence
"Godamn it all to hell, I demand to know which one of you was just
jerking me off."
silence
"You motherf*ckers are gonna tell me what I want to know or else"
silence
" I mean it."
silence
I did my utmost to hold in all in. I did hold it in until after Freeman
finally gave up and left the room.
The other personality would of course be the drunken sailor and BMC
Kimball fit the bill. I could never tell when the guy was sober or drunk
and so I just assumed that he was always drunk. It was safer to assume
that he was as it would often save me from harm when the drunk gave
out the wrong orders and I would ignore them.
My ignoring him would irk him to the his limits and he was intent of
getting rid of me. So was Herr Freeman, Freeman could not deal with a
guy who asks way to many questions that challenged the need for a CG
and some one who would challenge his authority.
A replacement was called in and it would be SA Dowdy. The CG had a

new policy of placing boots on these 'cheesie' duty stations as the belief
was that these new guys would be so impressed with this version of the
CG that they would all re-up. After four years of active duty in the CG
Dowdy got out. Ummm and Imagine that.
In January of 1980 I was given orders to report to USCG Base Terminal

Island. I guess it was Freeman's notion of being banished me to a bad
place. Prior to this I had never done any time on a CG base and it would
turn out to be even 'cheesier' duty than the Pt. Divide. I only had three
months to go and I would be out.
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duncan USCG Base Terminal Island is located just south of San

Moderator Pedro, Ca and in Long Beach Harbor. The base had at
one time been a naval stockade and it still had the old
Registered: Jul 2003 metal sign indicating such at the front gate to the base.
Posts: 9017 Across the street form the base was the home a federal
medium security prison which at one time was home to
Charles Manson and also home to one his groupies,
Squeaky Fromme. Another guy was doing time by the
name of Dr. McDonald, a former Green Beret who was
accused of murdering his entire family, he was big press
at the time.
The base was home to two 82' patrol boats, an Ice

Breaker the USCGC Glacier, a Buoy Tender and a 210
footer. Terminal Island serviced all of the CG ships and
boats that were stationed in the district.
To be stationed on a base is simply a 9-5 job. Wake up

eat breakfast, turn two doing nothing and looking busy
doing it, eat lunch, have a meeting, turn two doing
nothing, quit for the day, eat dinner and spend the rest
of the day stuck on the base. The base was a small town
unto itself and as such there was no real reason to go
into town. I had no car and I had no money, as I only
made $450 a month.
Just kick back to wear my short timers chain and each

day cut off a link, making my chain shorter.
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04-29-2009 03:41 PM
duncan The Base

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04-29-2009 03:46 PM

duncan Up until being sent to Terminal Island I had yet to meet

Moderator one female Coastie. Women were NOT allowed to serve
on any thing bigger than a 42 foot life boat. Most of
Registered: Jul 2003 them did their duty on a base.
Posts: 9017 I was ordered to work for the JOOD until my time was
up. The JOOD placed me in charge of a crew of people,
many of who were women.
There were two white women and three black women

under my care. The three black women were all
pregnant and I didn't have the heart to make them
work. I was told that they all got pregnant so that they
could all get out of the CG. Maybe so, but it is an good
argument for not allowing women into the military to
serve in any sort of front line capacity or even on
military base were they can get preganant.
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04-29-2009 04:53 PM

liberranter quote:
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"What's in it for me." It the hidden
motto of nearly every officer.
Wrong, my friend. Not "nearly" every officer, but

EVERY SINGLE one of them, in all of the services,
without exception!
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"I demand to know who was
mocking me!"
"Sir, it would be easier for us to answer if you were

to ask us who wasn't mocking you."
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that too.

04-29-2009 07:32 PM
broadway FTG
Junior Member
As a former SS/FS in the CG . I was stationed at Iwo

Registered: Sep 2007 Jima Lorsta . I was able to get to the PI ( Philipines) on
Location: b_more
Posts: 2 my 6 month break . I had a great time there but as I
was waiting to fly back to Yokota from Clark . I was
questioned by a Navy LT. to why I was in the PI in a CG
uniform with Air Rhodesia luggage tags. As I guess to
him the USCG it is just a stateside service. I told him to
shut the **** up as I was with the CIA an that it was
none of his business why I was there. He got all quite
and just walked away . So for all these years I get a
good laugh at that as I was only a 3 class PO and I was
able to tell an officer to shut up. I hope for all of these
years he has thougth that the CIA moves people around
the world in a USCG uniform.
04-29-2009 08:59 PM
duncan I never tried the CIA thing, but I was a WALRUS aka the
Moderator CG's version of special forces.
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04-30-2009 03:58 PM
duncan Federal prisoners were often sent next door to us to pick

Moderator up trash and mow the yard. We were told never to speak
with them.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado If the Coastie women were out and about the prisoners
Posts: 9017 in the prison yard ,across the street form the base,
would hoot and holler at them. The women were most
upset, but their complaints did them little good.
One night a small group of the feds finest had stolen a

fire truck inside prison grounds and then used it to ram
through the gate. All made good their escape, but the
CG base was placed on alert and we had to all go around
to inspect ever nook and cranny to see if any of the
escaped con's were hiding out. Now if I were to escape
from a prison the last f8cking place I would hide out
would be a CG base, but then that's me.
As far as I know all of them eventually got caught.
I would often hang out with the crew of both of the 82'
the Pt. Camden and the Pt. Carrew. The two boats were
always docked and never if ever got underway. I had
also noticed that the Buoy Tender docked at the base.
never made much steam either. I guess being in
Southern Cal these guy had no reason to remove any
buoys from the water, other than to change out the
batteries now and again. The other two CGC's were
underway most of the time. The USCGC Glacier made
regular trips to South America and from there to the
South Pole. To this day I have no idea what the USCG
was doing in the South Pole. Maybe they were breaking
ice for the penguins.
It was a regular routine and I had to stand watch one

out of five days. I was required to walk around the base
with a watch clock and check in at every check point
with the clock. The clock was used to verify that a guy
had made his rounds. I had to walked so often on my
watches that I had acquired ingrown toe nails. The base
corpman fixed me up and we soon became pals. We
spent a lot of time playing chess and shooting the bull.

I ran into that goofy radioman who had broken his leg in
three or four place whilst he had served all of thirty days
on the Sedge. After two and half years he was still in a
cast. And there was a cook serving on the base whom I
had served with on the Sedge. It was like old home
week during my last three months in the CG.
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04-30-2009 08:26 PM
duncan I had a small crew of about ten people working under

Moderator my direction. My first and last command and oh my the
power, it was such a thrill. NOT!!!!
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I could now see how it was for the lifers, shove people
Posts: 9017 around and look good doing it and then go back to the
office to sit around and drink coffee, while the CG
lackeys are looking busy doing nothing of any
importance.
We would clean, paint and build small things like lockers.

We would often have to go and pick up trash in the yard
at the Admirals house. There were two homes on the
very tip of the island for two CG District Admirals. If we
were real lucky one of them would come out and grace

us with his presence. It was such a thrill to see a guy

with all that shiney gold crap on his shoulders and cap.
Ah the good life of a base rat.
The base had a small commissary and of course the non-

com club for us to partake of those refreshing
beverages. A pool table was the main stay of our
recreation time.
The mess hall was run by CG Filipinos, who would steal

food on a regular basis. They would steal the good stuff
out the back door and leave us with fish heads. I'm just
kidding, they left us with fish sticks and mayo for dinner.
I would also hang out at the base armory and shoot the
bull with the base GM1 to learn more about the .50 cal.
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duncan I was asked to see the base LT and was told that he
Moderator wanted to have a heart to heart with little ole me.
Registered: Jul 2003 When I met with him, the guy asked me if I wanted to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado re-enlist. I couldn't stop laughing.
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Alright, alright, that we be all Mr. Philp.
You got to be f*cking kidding me? Just a few weeks to

go and my chain was getting oh so short.
I had been saving up my leave time to get me home two

months early. I was on leave for my last two months of
service time and technically still in the CG and
technically attached to the base for nearly five months.
My last day on base had finally arrived an it was April

6th 1980. On my last day I took all of my uniforms,
stuffed them into a garbage bag and threw them all into
the trash. I was done. My last day on base went by
without any ceremony and it was just short walk to the
gate to get into a cab that would take me to LAX.
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04-30-2009 08:52 PM

duncan I spent a little time in Denver with my mom and then I

Moderator was off to Ft. Collins were I had grown up as a child and
were my grandparents lived.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I had to go back to work and nothing was the same as it
Posts: 9017 had been in 1976. Everything cost more, thanks to the
f*cking peanut farmer Jimmy Carter, and those fifty or
so hostages were all still being held hostage by them
Iranian rag heads.
I applied for work at Hewlett Packard. Kodak, Woodward

Governor, the City of Ft. Collins, Monfort and the local
fire district. None of them were hiring me, because I was
a newly released military veteran.
I see that you have an Honorable Discharge from the

USCG. So what, f8ck you.
I did my time in full and who f*cking cared? No one.
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04-30-2009 08:59 PM

duncan The boot camp in Alameda was shut down and is now
Moderator the CG District HQ for all of CA. The grinder I had to run
on is just a parking lot. Only one boot camp now for the
Registered: Jul 2003 CG, in Cape May, NJ.
Posts: 9017 I saw the Pt.Divide for the last time in 1986. While I was
working at an oil refinery in Gaviota, CA for an electrical
contractor by the name of MMR from Baton Rouge. I
made a special trip to Newport Beach to see the 'white
cork'. I saw the boat again in Seattle in 2002, but it was
no longer the Pt. Divide and it no longer had the two .50
Cals on the bow.
The Sedge was sold to the nation of Kenya and for all I
know it still floats around the sea, boom and all.
I still call up my old pal Paul Anderson, who lives in

Petaluma, CA. Paul was a tug boat captain for a few
years and then went to chiropractic school to later
become a doctor. I saw Paul in 2004 when he came to
visit me after I had gotten out of the hospital.
I saw the GM3, who had nearly shot Soltis. I spotted him
at the old Stapleton airport in Denver back in 1983.
While at CSU in 1995 is gave the Denver CG recruiter a

visit and asked him if he wanted to recruit on a college
campus. Chief West jumped on it and I walked him
around the campus. We hit every college and all the
minority student organizations. West told me that he
was under a lot of pressure to recruit minorities and it
did not matter what they had a degree in.
I don't care if they have a degree in under water basket

weaving. Just take me to all of them.
When we had finished hitting all of the minority student

offices West asked me if that was all of it. I told him that
there were still two offices left.
West - What are they?
Me - The Gay and Lesbian Alliance and the Straight but

not Narrow student groups
West - Our policy is don't ask, don't tell.
Okey dokey. And we never made it to their offices.

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04-30-2009 09:20 PM
liberranter quote:
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Federal prisoners were often sent

next door to us to pick up trash and
mow the yard. We were told never
to speak with them.

Probably because odds were great that Coasties
Posts: 5865 would discover that the prisoners had better
accommodations than they had and that the
prisoners were treated better all around.
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05-01-2009 08:04 PM
duncan They were a lot more work productive than we were.

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05-02-2009 01:27 PM

duncan The USCG rag.

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05-02-2009 01:35 PM
duncan A few other things have sinced changed. The USCG is

Moderator now under the new Homeland Gestapo and protecting
you from nothing, but they are looking good at doing it.
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duncan For such a little outfit the CG has a lot of flags.

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I found this pic of myself in action.
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05-02-2009 01:44 PM
duncan Now all one has to do with my personal story about the
Moderator CG would be to drop the words 'patrol boat' and inject
the words 'patrol car'. They can also drop the word
Registered: Jul 2003 'Coastie' and replace it with the word 'copster' and you
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado will discover the real truth about copscum. There is no
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real difference between the two.
You can take this story and apply it to the entire

military. The problems with the CG is not conducive to
the CG , but rather conducive to the fed. What is the
answer? Abolish the fed.
I spent a lot of my posts bashing lifers and the odd thing

is that many retired military veterans who I have met in
my life, hate the fed even more than I do.
While attending the Colorado School of Trades I met up

with an instructor by the name of "Lindy" aka Mr.
Lindhorst. Lindy is a retired Navy guy and during one of
our classes he explained that he was a Libertarian and
then he went to say why he was a Libertarian "I hate the
Federal Government, oh I hate that outfit." Ummmm
and I guess only those who have experienced the full
brunt of the fed by working under it, are the people we
need to be talking to about it.
Lindy left the school and went to work for a private

contractor that does armory work for the Border Patrol.
I met a lot of fellow veterans at this school and many of

them had Ron Paul stickers on their tool boxes.
Do I hate other veterans? Nope.
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duncan Boot camp lasted only a mere nine weeks in '76 and
Moderator today it only lasts eight weeks. Less is more, less quality
equals more quantity.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado There were no women in boot camp in 1976 and now
Posts: 9017 there are. This only has served to water down the
training as it is now made to fit the physical level of
women, but then they do have more quantity.
Does my stance make me a sexist. It all depends on

what is meant by that word. The fact is women are not
built the same as men and as such they of course cannot
be equal to men in physical stature.
The military could have a separate corp for women with

separate training etc... . But if the fed were to be
abolished them my position would be mute.
What should the military be replaced with if not a federal

military?
1. Turn the Air Force and the US Army over to the

responsibility of the states and the organized militia.
2. Abolish the National Guard and replace it with the

unorganized militia and it will only serve the states and
not the fed.
3. Abolish the US Coast Guard and turn it over to the US

Navy.
4. Abolish the US Navy and turn it over to the states

that have sea shores.

Everything the CG does is duplicated and often

triplicated. Why should those of us who live inland be
taxed to pay for aids to navigation used for the shipping
lanes of private merchants and sea going tourists?
The answer to this question from a federal puke, who

consumes taxes, will be. The goods you receive come
from these merchants and you need a CG to help bring
in these goods you consume. Pirates remember?
My answer to this would be. Not all goods I use come

from overseas and the merchant can increase the cost of
their goods to pay for their own need of aids to
navigation, thus eliminating the federal middle man,
which in turn leads to a reduction in costs. How is the
Navy protecting anyone from pirates? How people do
these Somalians have hostage? Get a gun and use it on
the pirates.
But the CG saves lives.
At what cost to the rest of us? Continued dependency on

the fed creates the false illusion of security. More lives
are lost at sea then have ever been saved in the entire
life of the USCG. Eliminate this false illusion and people
will think twice about going to sea when the weather is
bad or if their boats are not sea worthy. Use private sea
taxis to tow people back into port if they should have a
mechanical break down.
But who will fight the drug war?
No one will fight the drug war. Fighting drugs is not

preview of any government. If you don't like drugs then
don't do them. If you don't like the fact that the guy
next to you is doing drugs then this is your f*cking
problem. There is no proven correlation between a
person doing drugs, in which it is not a crime to do
them, and an increase in violent crime. There is however
a correlation between increased drug laws increasing
crime and increasing violent crime.
The drug war exist in order that the CG can justify its
worthless existence to society. Many Coasties do illegal
drugs. The CG does not save the taxpayers any money
when it steal the property of drug dealers. If this were
the case then the CG would be able to pay for its own BS
without having to tax the rest of us. This a BS argument

done to justify a need for their parasitical existence.
Who will guard the coast?
The individual states Navy.
Who will enforce maritime law?
The individual states Navy and private merchants.
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broadway Why are Navy babies so cute ?

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Because they have Coast Guard dads.
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05-04-2009 08:59 PM
duncan There once was a pirate named Bates,

Moderator Who danced the Fandango on skates.
He fell on his cutlass
Registered: Jul 2003 Which rendered him nutless
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado And practically useless on dates!
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In a drunken stuper, this man falls of the San Francisco bridge, a

missing person flyer is put out, his wife's hysterical, and the Coast
Guard is frantically looking. They soon come upon the body, needless
to say and their were four Dungeoness crabs and three lobsters
attached to the man. The Coast Guard notifies his wife, and says that
there is bad news, good news, and really good news.
She states, "What's the bad news?" The Coast Guard replies, "We
found your husband's body." She asked, "Well what's the good
news?" The Coast Guard replies, "We found four Dungeoness crabs
and three lobsters." The wife replies, "Oh my! Well than, what is the
reallly good news?" The Coast Guard then replies, "Well we're going
to pull him up again tomorrow!"
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A friend, driving home from a fishing trip in northern Michigan with

his boat in tow, had engine trouble a few miles inland from Lake
Huron. He didn't have a CB radio in his car, so he decided to use his
marine radio to get help. Climbing into his boat, he broadcast his call
letters and asked for assistance.
A Coast Guard officer responded, "Please give your location."
"I'm on Interstate-75, two miles south of Standish."
The officer paused, "Could you repeat that?"

"I-75, two miles south of Standish."
A longer pause. Then an incredulous voice asked, "How fast were you
going when you hit shore?"
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05-04-2009 11:36 PM
duncan U.S. COAST GUARD ENLISTMENT OATH

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"I, (State your name), swear to sign away 4 years of my life to the
Registered: Jul 2003 UNITED STATES COAST GUARD because I know being in the real
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado military scares me. However, I swear to defend our position as the
Posts: 9017 fifth branch of the Armed Services, although at one point we were
under the Department of Homeland Security. I understand that at
least twice a day, someone will refer to me a member of the Air Force
or Navy, and when I correct them, they will question my military
status. I will work on boats the size of kayaks and small yachts
during the worst of natures storms, and receive no thanks or notice
from the public. I will fly in helo's into the eye of the storm to rescue
people dumber then rocks, and then be heckled by the same people
when I bust them for transporting drugs two months later.! I will
prevent thousands of gallons of pollution, but be accused of impeding
the economy when I won't allow vessels to pour oil into the ocean. I
will be the red-headed step child to all of the other services, although
I know I got the better deal. All of my equipment will be discarded
Navy property. I will use most of my time in the Coast Guard to take
college classes, and perfect my web surfing abilities, then complain
that I work too much. I will perfect avoiding PT at all costs, and do
my best to attend training that will give me a great competitive edge
in the career field of my choice, making retention efforts of the Coast
Guard pointless. I will come in contact with so many pollutants during
my tenure, I will glow in the dark for the rest of my natural life and
refer to myself as "salty" because of it. I will do my best to work 8 to
3, with a two hour lunch, on normal days, and have my pager and
cell phone surgically attached, SO HELP ME GOD.
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US NAVY OATH OF ENLISTMENT
"I, Top Gun, in lieu of going to prison, swear to sign away 4 years of
my life to the UNITED STATES NAVY, because I want to hang out
with Marines without actually having to BE one of them, because I
thought the Air Force was too "corporate," because I didn't want to
actually live in dirt like the Army, and because I thought, "Hey, I like
to swim...why not?" I promise to wear clothes that went out of style
in 1976 and to have my name stenciled on the butt of every pair of
pants I own. I understand that I will be mistaken for the Good Humor
Man during summer,! and for Nazi Waffen SS during the winter. I will

strive to use a different language than the rest of the English-

speaking world, using words like "deck, bulkhead, cover, geedunk,
scuttlebutt, scuttle and head," when I really mean "floor, wall, hat,
candy, water fountain, hole in wall and toilet." I will take great pride
in the fact that all Navy acronyms, rank, and insignia, and everything
else for that matter, are completely different from the other services
and make absolutely no sense whatsoever. I will muster, whatever
that is, at 0700 every morning unless I am buddy-buddy with the
Chief, in which case I will show up around 0930. I vow to hone my
coffee cup-handling skills to the point that I can stand up in a kayak
being tossed around in a typhoon, and still not spill a drop. I consent
to being promoted and subsequently busted at least twice per fiscal
year. I realize that, once selected for Chief, I am required to submit
myself to the sick, and quite possibly illegal, whims of my newfound
"colleagues." So Help Me Neptune!"
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05-04-2009 11:41 PM
duncan Any questions? Any answers? If not then turn two, yes I doooo. -
Moderator Chuck Salvin
Registered: Jul 2003 Anyone ever see the that CG movie "The Guardian"? Not much of it is
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado true.
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They won't allow some fifty year old warrant officers to jump out of a
helo into frigid Alaskan waters. How long does a guy last in these
kind of waters even with a wet suit on? Not long, maybe a few
minutes.
I was told that it was a knock off of the movie and "Officer and a
Gentleman", a very bad knock off if this is indeed true.

The movie spends to much viewing time on helo's. How many helo's
do these idiots think the CG has? The Cg is not made up of helo's for
if it was it would be called the Air Guard. There are not that many
Airmen in the USCG.
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A critic of the film had this to say.
Oorah is not a term used by the USCG.
Oorah is used by the US Navy.
Oorah is used by the US Marines.
Hooah is used by the US Army.
Hooyah is used by the US Navy Seals.
You would think that the researchers would have picked up on this.
Perhaps HUA would apply to the movie makers, director, or

researchers in this case.
USCG does not always get the respect that they so richly deserve,
especially the SAR Units who serve so others may live.
SAR takes a special breed just as do the other branches of the US

Military.
Too bad that better research was not done.
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Hooyah? Oorah? FTG is more like it.
This from another critic.
Honestly this movie, to me, was comparable to "Snakes on a Plane".

It seems like a cheesy television show all of the way through. It could
be my dis-like of Kutcher (He should be in that 70's show and that's
it) that made me not like the movie, or it could have been the long
and boring plot. It might have even been the fact that I felt like it
told me the exact same story twice in one sitting, and both times it
was not good. If you are stupid and go to this movie you will get to
see a "not so good pansy actor" basically try to impersonate Tom
Cruise from his "Top Gun" era. The only reason I went was because I
had a friend who got 60 sneak preview passes for free from his
company (to hand them out.....without charging any money). Do
NOT spend money on this movie please.
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duncan The new military. I'll bet this guy is in the National Guard.
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05-05-2009 12:38 AM
duncan Upon discharge the only benefits awarded to me were the following
Moderator under the old GI bill.
Registered: Jul 2003 1. Educational - Get $411 a month for eight semesters and must be
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado used by December of 1990. I never could afford to go school on $411
Posts: 9017 a month and so I never used this.
2. VA home loan - There was so much red tape involved with this one
and so it was of no value to me or anyone else for that matter.
3. VA Health Insurance - The requirements for this one are still very
strick and often convoluted. The VA services are so confusing to most
people that most VA employees have no idea how the VA works.
Veterans are flocking to the VA due to a lack of health insurance and
due to the ageing factor. I started using this service in 1992 and still
use it to the present day.
I often tell other veterans new to the VA "If you ever feel the need to
commit suicide and don't have the guts to do it your self then check
into the Denver VA". The Denver VA is a sad joke. If you get into any
serious health trouble DO NOT use the VA.
Over the years I have run into plenty of so-called veterans who claim
to have served in the Special Forces and were even in the Navy
Seals. I read a quote in the local paper from one clown who was

three years younger than me and he had stated to the news reporter
that he was a "Vietnam Veteran". This clown was supporting the
invasion of Kuwait under Bush I at the time and so he needed to
make it look like he was a combat vet and of course like most
bushniks he wasn't. If I had nickel for every liar who told me that he
either served in combat or in the Special Forces, I'd be a f*cking
millioniare. Most combat vets are dead. Very, very, very few military
personel ever see combat and when they do many of them will die in
combat.
What's going on in Iraq right now is NOT A WAR it is a police action

and men are being trianed to treat all Iraqi's as if they are criminals
living in a police state. Just like the amerikan copscum do here to us.
I see all kinds of veterans at the VA. Some are combat vets and most
of them are not. I've talked to WWII, Korean, Vietnam, Gulf War and
Iraq veterans of all branches. Many are scaming the VA by
pretending to suffer from PTSD. Some of these people really are
suffering from PTSD and many of them are faking it.
One guy told me how he was scaming the VA by claiming that he

suffered from PTSD as a result of the treatment he got in boot camp.
He gets a big fat pension every month. Another guy pulled the PTSD
thing by whining about what his former CO had supposedly done to
him while he had been stationed at the Marine Corps base in Adak,
Alaska. This guy has an income of over 50K a year which comes from
both VA and the SS agency's.
There is one guy who only served two weeks in Marine Corps boot
camp and was kicked out due to being a paranoia schizoid. This guys
name is Ken Allen and he lives in Laporte, Colorado. Ken is a police
informant for any local p*g departmant that will have him. Ken will
lie and tell people that he was in the Marine Corps Re-con, another
fraud and just one of so many that I've met in my adult life. I over
heard a VA clerk one day crying about Ken and his lack of service
time and how he was allowed to use the VA, even a VA clerk was
outraged.
The funny thing about the VA is that I rarely if ever see a young guy
in a wheel chair as a result of losing a limb or even a guy with a
missing leg walking around. I see a lot of older guys who lost a leg
due to diabetes. I do see more and more young guys at the VA who
don't appear to have any obvious physical problems, PTSD I guess.
I attended a VA seminar and heard a big fat national guard guy

whine about how he was suffering from PTSD. He was a prison guard
in Iraq and he looked to be about 50 years old. The torture must
have been to much for him. Now I can see things from the
perspective of a German Nazi who worked at at one of those Jewish
concentration camps. Oh those poor wittle fascists p8gs.
I've had some people and veterans tell me that the USCG is not a
branch of the military. Or that "Peace Time Vets" are pussies who
picked the right time to serve.

Why of course, I knew exactly when to join after Vietnam was over
and done with. I thought to myself "I will wait until I'm 18 years of
age and by then the war in Vietnam will be over and oh how I will
pull a fast one on those feds." I was 15 when this war ended and the
military would not take anyone younger than 18 unless you had your
parents permission to join at the age of 17. The reality is that war
ended in 1972 and the rest of the time spent there by the US was
bullsh*t. I met one guy who saw the fall of Siagon in 1975 and he is
five years older than myself, he was unimpressed.
Grenada? What a blow job that one was. The US military killed more
of their own men then they did of the enemy. But these guys can join
the American Legion, which is so desperate for members that they
are willing to call Grenada a war. Reagan had his chance to whack
the people who whacked those 238 marines in Beruit and he wouldn't
do it, but he would go after some jerk off little island to make him
self look good for the media.
Somolia? Another blow job, the Somolians kicked the US military's a$

$. Another non-war and just some of Klinton's krap.
Gulf War? Another non-war and another blow job. It lasted all of
thirty days and Bush refused to finish the job. We now know why he
did this, don't we? It was 1989 and I was 32. I guess you got me
there and do I care?
I was 44 when the WTC fell. I went down to join the Wyoming Air
National Guard and was told that I'm to old. In 2005 the Wyoming
Army National Guard was running an add in the paper so I went
down to respond to the add. I was told that I was young enough to
join, but that they would not take people with diabetes and heart
disease. They really freaked out after they had taken my x-ray and
saw my pace maker and found out that I was on blood thinners. No?
Never happened? Call them up at the Cheyenne office and ask them
about the guy who tried to get in with a pace maker. They nearly
fired the recruiter over it. He used that old clause "Don't ask, don't
tell." hehehehehe
I got in the last laugh on the military.
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05-10-2009 05:55 PM
liberranter And for anyone who thinks that these "benefits" are really
Super Moderator benefits at all, here's some dirty little secrets associated with
each:
quote:
1. Educational - Get $411 a month for eight

semesters and must be used by December of
1990. I never could afford to go school on $411
a month and so I never used this.

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The "new" (Montgomery) GI Bill is an even bigger joke (for those
with precious life minutes to waste who want to know more, see
here: http://www.gibill.va.gov/GI_Bill_In...fits.htm#MGIBAD), a
propaganda scam dreamed up by an illiterate Mississippi redneck
turned career congresscreature who, like most of his fellow
redneck politicians, loved to chest-thump about military service in
public, but who didn't really give one single damn about those
who actually served, other than himself (here's a brief biography
of this sorry, criminal piece of shit: http://bioguide.congress.gov/
script...l?index=M000865).
Like its "predecessor" from the Vietnam Era that Duncan

describes here, the MGIB doles out payments ranging anywhere
from just over $1300 per month, if you're a full time student who
served in the active duty armed forces, to something under $200
dollars per month if you're a reservist who is going to school less
than one-quarter time.
I'm not sure about how previous generations of GI Bills worked (i.
e., Vietnam Era or earlier), but service members were required to
pay a premium while on active duty in the amount of $1200 for
the "privilege" of having the MGIB as a "benefit." Of course one
of the filthy little secrets that no one makes known about MGIB
payments is that they are TAXED AS INCOME. Imagine being a
reservist who is trying to earn a full-time living in the real world
while going to school less than one-quarter time, being paid
"benefit" money that doesn't even amount to one semester hour
at a state university and BEING TAXED ON IT!

Like Duncan, I didn't use my MGIB money either, choosing

instead not to put up with the bureaucratic BS attendant with
actually drawing benefits, instead going to school on my credit
cards and letting employers help pick up parts of the tab.
Through fiscal self-discipline I was able to pay off my student
credit card debt in fairly short order after getting my Bachelor's
degree, but suffice it to say that "GI Benefits" played no part in
completing my higher education. I, like some many other active
duty members who couldn't really afford it, wasted $1200 of my
precious money on Sonny Montgomery's scam.
Fuck you, Sonny, you thieving, braindead cousin-fucking fascist! I

hope hell is nice and toasty for you.
quote:
2. VA home loan - There was so much red tape

involved with this one and so it was of no value
to me or anyone else for that matter.
I actually used this "benefit" while still on active duty to buy my

first house. HOWEVER, it's actually much cheaper and much less
of a bureaucratic hassle (or was, before the great housing market
collapse of 2007) to get a conventional loan at a decent rate of
interest. If you value your fiscal privacy and want to buy the
home you actually want rather than what the VA will agree to
guarantee (there is a LLLLOOOOONGGGG list of housing types
that the VA refuses to guarantee mortgages for, usually for the
most trivial and ridiculous of reasons), then stay away from this
"benefit."
quote:
3. VA Health Insurance - The requirements for

this one are still very strick and often
convoluted. The VA services are so confusing to
most people that most VA employees have no
idea how the VA works. Veterans are flocking to
the VA due to a lack of health insurance and
due to the ageing factor. I started using this
service in 1992 and still use it to the present
day.
VA "health insurance" is usually tied to a VA life insurance policy,

which is a Universal/Whole Life policy, the worst kind of insurance
imagineable. Definitely stay away from this one.

As a matter of fact, the best thing any veteran can do is to stay

away from anything "VA" at all. This agency is staffed by
zoological imbeciles who are utterly incapable of gainful
employment anywhere else. I'll never forget the idiot from the VA
who addressed the pre-separation seminar I attended back in the
mid-1990s who actually told a crowd of over 100 adults with
functioning cerebra that "even if you're on terminal leave, you
still have to ask your commander's permission to obtain civilian
employment." We literally chased the guy out of the room. Then
there was other moron who told those who were retiring that
whatever state they chose to relocate in after retirement had
"lifetime rights" a state taxes on their retirement pay even if they
eventually moved out of state. He too was jeered out of the room
and, we later learned, ultimately "reassigned" (read: fired) for
spreading wrong information.
The moral of the story? STAY AWAY FROM MILITARY SERVICE!

You'd think that after the disasters of the 20th Century,
intelligent human beings would've learned that lesson by now.
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duncan I'm not sure about how previous generations of GI Bills worked (i.e.,
Moderator Vietnam Era or earlier),
Registered: Jul 2003 When I joined it was under the old Mongomery Bill. Six months later
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado these people had to pay in one dollar with the idea that the
Posts: 9017 government would match that dollar, but the total put into this
college fund could not exceed a certian amount and the total amount
wouldn't get you through two years of college much less four years.
It was another worthless government program.
The VA is as always another fialed government program. Many of the

doctors are foriegn born and only here looking for a way to become
US citizens. When I got out not a word was said to me about any VA
benefits, now the military is required to tell all out going personel
about the VA.
Weeks prior to discharge I was sent across the bay to a naval

hospital to get a final physical by a naval doctor. The doctor had a
very strong German accent and it made me wonder as which military
he had served in during WWII. This guys job was to rubber stamp
and make sure that if he did find anything wrong with me it wouldn't
get placed in my discarge file. They don't want anyone drawing a VA
pension for health problems that were caused by the military. This
doctors observation of me was that I have flat feet. Tell me
something I didn't know at the time.
I would have been far better off to have gone to college out of high
school. I was reading a news clip about the number of returning
veterans who are unemployed and the number is at 18% and many
of these people are homeless. "Support the Troops" is all just a
bunch of bullsh*t put out by the polticians to get votes.
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05-11-2009 07:17 PM
duncan http://www.theleafchronicle.com/art...ION01/905070316
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The Department of Veterans Affairs apparently lacks the will and
Registered: Jul 2003 temperament to fully investigate and conclusively remedy flawed
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado safety procedures at its medical facilities in Tennessee, Georgia and
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Florida, where failures to properly maintain hospital equipment has led
veterans to be exposed to HIV and other potentially fatal diseases.
http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/...NEWS02/90509008
BURLINGTON — A doctor at the VA Medical Center in White River

Junction faces federal conflict of interest charges for participating in
contracts between the Department of Veterans Affairs and Dartmouth
College.
http://www.kansascity.com/news/poli...ry/1189348.html
WASHINGTON | From the economic crisis at home to a troop surge in

Afghanistan, veterans’ advocates are warning of a “perfect storm” that
could soon flood an already beleaguered health care network for ex-
service members.
Even with the troop count in Iraq winding down, they say, the
demands on the Department of Veterans Affairs could significantly
increase.
“The crisis is not going away,” said Paul Sullivan, executive director of
Veterans for Common Sense, a nonpartisan advocacy group.
“Everyone thinks that with bringing the troops back from the war,
things (at the VA) are going to get better. They’re not.”
The VA has treated 400,000 Iraq and Afghanistan veterans since

2001. But it has often underestimated how many of those former
troops would need the agency’s help.
The twin wars have stretched the VA’s capacity as it has been called
upon to provide long-term treatment for the devastating physical
wounds that have become signatures of modern combat, as well as a
host of unseen — but no less searing — mental health traumas.
“We are really getting slammed left and right,” said Kathy Lee, a
service officer for the Veterans of Foreign Wars at the Kansas City VA
Medical Center. Lee, a former Army nurse in Vietnam, helps veterans
access the VA system.
“Our parking lot is so full, we’re doing overflow at the church across
the street,” she said. “It just makes me sick to think about what we’re
going to be doing this time next year. We’re all behind as it is.”
James Sanders, the VA Medical Center’s chief of staff, said: “I think

we’re all in the same situation of not knowing what to expect.”
Still, Sanders noted that “the numbers are significantly less for any

one facility than you might think.”
Repeated attempts to reach VA officials for comment about the impact

on the agency of the Iraq troop pullout and other developments were
unsuccessful.
But according to interviews with veterans advocates, as well as a little-

publicized report earlier this year from Veterans for Common Sense,
those developments include:
•Lack of jobs for returning veterans, which could leave many without
health insurance and running to the VA. Even before the economy
sank, a 2007 VA survey of troops mostly discharged in 2005 found
that their unemployment rate stood at more than 18 percent.
•Free VA health care for five years for Iraq and Afghanistan veterans,
courtesy of Congress.
•Repeat deployments, including the posting of more troops to

Afghanistan, which will increase the chance of more combat injuries.
•Recognition that mental health problems, such as post-traumatic

stress disorder, affect a lot of veterans, which could erase the stigma
and make them seek VA help.
The VA already has treated nearly 180,000 Iraq and Afghanistan

veterans for at least one mental health condition, according to its most
recent health analysis. That’s 45 percent of all the veterans of those
conflicts who have been treated by the VA.
The VA operates more than 1,000 hospitals, clinics and Vet Centers. It
has 5.5 million patients, including an ever-increasing stream of men
and women who have served in the Middle East and southwest Asia,
as well as veterans of past conflicts going back to World War II.
“Right now we’re being flooded with Vietnam vets and Iraqi vets,” Lee
said. “But I’ve got a 90-year-old World War II vet, the Battle of the
Bulge. He wants a hearing aid. He just wants to hear them call out his
number at bingo.”
The veteran community has unanimously applauded President Barack

Obama’s plan to increase VA funding by $15 billion. But few doubt that
meeting the growing demand will be hard.
“The VA is seeing a flood of new veterans who are entering the job
market during the worst economic crisis since the Great Depression,”
said Vanessa Williamson, policy director for Iraq and Afghanistan
Veterans of America. “The American Dream of buying a home is being
put on hold. Unemployment rates are sky-high, and for those who can
find a job, many aren’t getting health care coverage through work. All
of these things combine to put real stresses on the VA.”
In addition, with recent veterans comes a troubling array of problems

that the VA also tries to handle: rising levels of domestic violence,
drug abuse and suicide.

Each month, about 1,000 veterans under VA care attempt suicide,

according to internal e-mails that several advocacy groups, including
Veterans for Common Sense, obtained as part of a 2007 lawsuit
against the agency.
“It isn’t just about getting somebody in for that first visit,” said Joy
Ilem, assistant national legislative director of Disabled American
Veterans. “What is needed is somebody willing to admit they have a
problem. That takes a number of appointments, not just one. That, I
think, will be the real challenge for VA. Are they going to be able to
handle the volume in a timely manner?”
VA inspector general reports show that veterans can wait a month or

more to see a doctor. Meanwhile, the agency takes six months to
process a disability claim and has a backlog of more than 700,000.
That’s a third more than it was five years ago, according to VA records.
“They can barely handle the patient load and claim load now,” Sullivan
said. “The crisis may become catastrophic, especially for those
veterans who can’t get into the system.”
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BY THE NUMBERS
1,000-plus
Hospitals, clinics and Vet Centers operated by the VA
5.5 million
Patients, some who wait a month or more to see a doctor
1,000
Veterans under VA care attempt suicide each month
180,000
Iraq and Afghanistan vets treated for mental health problems
700,000
Disability claims backlogged
$15 billion
Increase in VA funding proposed by President Barack Obama
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duncan The greatest f8cking country in the world

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Homelessness and incarceration
Soldiers recruited from economically distressed areas are thrust back

into them with enormous medical and psychological challenges.
According to the National Alliance to End Homelessness (NAEH),
thousands of returned Iraq and Afghanistan veterans have already
been identified among the millions of homeless in America.
Redeployment and relaxed enlistment standards
The plight of mentally ill veterans does not end with adjustment
problems in the United States. Many are sent back into war,
dangerously compounding psychiatric trauma.
Reflecting the unpopularity of both the war and the prospect of a

draft, enlistment standards have been substantially relaxed over the
past few years to allow recruitment of people with mental illness and
criminal records. At the same time, the Pentagon has extended tours
and made it much more difficult to leave the military and still qualify
for disability benefits.
US veteran population: a mounting social catastrophe
As thousands of troops from Iraq and Afghanistan return to the US,

the dimensions of the social burden of war are beginning to take
shape. A number of recent reports highlight the toll colonial
occupation has taken on the physical and mental health of military
personnel, as well as the lack of US government medical and financial
assistance awaiting them on their return.
Incidence of veteran suicide, homelessness, drug addiction,

incarceration, severe poverty, unmanaged mental illness, and the
redeployment of mentally unstable troops all point to a growing social
crisis faced by returning soldiers and a military on the verge of

collapse.
The numbers
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0931832.html
26 million of us per the 2000 census.
23.8 million as of 2008. The number will continue to drop as more of

the WWII and Korean vets die off.
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duncan The moral of the story? STAY AWAY FROM MILITARY SERVICE!
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This about sums this entire thread people. We should all be working
Registered: Jul 2003 towards bringing down the fed.
Posts: 9017 Do not join any local VFW posts as these flag wavers support what
ever the fed is doing, no matter how un-constitutional it may be.
We didn't see the VFW bat an eye when the leftist of the ADL called
all Iraq and Afgan veterans "... potentially violent right wing
extremists.", but when a veteran protest the war, by dragging his US
flag on the ground to protest the fact that Bush dodged the draft and
is sending young people off to die for his personal interests, then
these Nazi's with the VFW go ballistic and will even threaten another
veteran with death.
Like I posted earlier take out the word 'boat' in 'patrol boat' and
replace it with 'patrol car', replace the words 'petty officer' with the

words 'patrol officer' and you will see that being a tax consuming
Coastie, who works towards the utter destruction of our Bill of Rights,
is in fact no different than your neighborhood copscum.
I swore an oath to defend the Bill of Rights against all enemies

foreign and domestic and this is exactly what I plan on doing, so help
me God.
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WASHINGTON – A Coast Guard training exercise in the Potomac River
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in the river sent FBI agents scrambling to the scene and led the
nearest airport to briefly ground flights.
No shots were fired as part of the exercise, Coast Guard Chief Keith
Moore said later Friday.
The Coast Guard said it would review how its exercise led to TV news
reports that were based on overheard radio calls on a training
frequency normally used only by the Coast Guard.
The Coast Guard said such exercises go on every day in and around
U.S. ports, and the Secret Service and other law enforcement
agencies are not normally notified.
Erroneous live cable news reports on CNN and Fox had said that the
Coast Guard was firing shots on the river. CNN reported the Coast
Guard had fired 10 rounds at a suspicious boat, and showed its

vessels circling in the water — near the bridge President Barack

Obama's motorcade crossed on the way to a memorial at the
Pentagon earlier Friday morning.
The president was not near where the training exercise took place,
Coast Guard Chief of Staff Vice Adm. John Currier said at a news
conference.
Currier said as part of its exercise, the Coast Guard aired simulated
instructions to participants to fire 10 rounds and someone said "bang,
bang, bang" to verbalize compliance. He described the exercise,
which started at 9:30 a.m., as a "low tempo" drill.
Currier said no apology from the Coast Guard for the confusion was
necessary, but that the service would review its procedures and
make any needed changes.
Presidential spokesman Robert Gibbs said he didn't believe the White

House was notified before the exercise. He defended the Coast
Guard's decision to train in the Potomac on the Sept. 11 anniversary.
Spokesman Robert Gibbs said if law enforcement felt there was a
need for the drill, it's "best not to second-guess."
Gibbs sharply criticized CNN for airing the inaccurate report that
shots were fired.
"Before we report things like this, checking would be good," Gibbs

said.
The Associated Press reported that an exercise was under way in the
river and did not report that shots were fired.
More than an hour after its first reports, CNN anchor Kyra Phillips
said on the air that CNN's initial report stemmed from someone
saying "bang, bang, bang" over a radio frequency monitored by the
network's police scanner.
"We did call the Coast Guard, and the Coast Guard said, 'We don't
know what you're talking about,'" she said. CNN went ahead with the
story based on a reporter's other sources, Phillips said.
"We're still trying to hammer this out, but we did what we were
supposed to do, according to our folks in Washington," Phillips said.
CNN spokeswoman Edie Emery did not immediately respond to

requests for comment.
A group for military families expressed outrage that the Coast Guard
exercise was held while families of those who died during the Sept.
11 attacks had gathered for a memorial service at the Pentagon.
"September 11th is a day to remember the loss of 2,973 innocent

victims in New York, Pennsylvania and the Pentagon; not a day to
create an unnecessary panic near a terrorist's target," Military
Families United said in a statement.

Departures from Reagan National Airport were halted as a precaution

at 10:08 a.m., then resumed at 10:30 a.m., Federal Aviation
Administration spokeswoman Diane Spitaliere said. The airport
borders the Potomac.
A law enforcement official, speaking on condition of anonymity, said

federal agents scrambled to the river scene after the initial media
reports, because the local FBI office had not been told ahead of time
about the Coast Guard exercise. The official spoke on condition of
anonymity because the official was not authorized to discuss the
incident.
The confusion was reminiscent of an event earlier this year in New

York, when a presidential airliner and two F-16 jets were flown low
over the city for a White House photo shoot, and some people feared
the city was under attack.
After that incident, Obama said it was a mistake and promised it

would not happen again. The director of the White House's military
office resigned.
The Coast Guard is part of the Homeland Security Department, which

was created in response to the 9/11 attacks. The massive
reorganization was designed to promote sharing of information within
the department and among other law enforcement agencies.
Homeland Security spokeswoman Sara Kuban said Secretary Janet

Napolitano has asked the Coast Guard commandant to look into the
situation give her "a full account of what happened."
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Associated Press writers Devlin Barrett and Joan Lowy contributed to

this report.
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Christopher Weber, Associated Press Writer – 2 hrs 20 mins ago
LOS ANGELES – The search for nine people missing when a U.S.
Coast Guard plane collided with a Marine Corps helicopter over the
Pacific Ocean is now a recovery mission, officials said Sunday.
Petty Officer First Class Allison Conroy said there was little chance of
finding survivors among the seven military personnel aboard the
Coast Guard C-130 and the two in the Marine Corps AH-1W Super
Cobra helicopter.
"We always hold out some hope, but at this point the Coast Guard
has suspended the active search for survivors," Conroy said.
The two aircraft collided Thursday evening as the Coast Guard was
searching for a missing boater. The Marine helicopter was flying in
formation with another Cobra helicopter and two transports on a
nighttime training exercise.
The Coast Guard has begun its investigation into the cause of the
crash, Conroy said.
Kenneth Claiborne, the father of one of the missing crew members on

the plane, said Sunday that his son, Marine 1st Lt. Thomas Claiborne,
had been declared deceased. He declined to comment further and
referred calls to a Marine spokesperson.
But the mother of Lt. Adam W. Bryant, 28, from Crewe, Va., who was
a co-pilot on the Coast Guard plane, said she hadn't given up hope
despite the Coast Guard's announcement.
"Miracles do happen," Nina Bryant said Sunday. "Miracles every day."
Rear Adm. Joseph Castillo said Saturday evening that the chance for
finding survivors would be slim, even though the servicemembers
had access to heat-retaining drysuits and were in excellent physical
shape. Water temperatures were in the low 60s at the time of the
collision.
"We don't ever want to suspend the case prematurely, when there
may be someone out there," Castillo had said. "But hope gets less
every day. My hope today is not what it was yesterday."

The Coast Guard search for the missing boater, David Jines, 50, was
called off Saturday evening.
Nine aircraft searched over a 644-square-mile patch of ocean in

waters about 2,000 feet deep. Debris from both aircraft was found,
but there was no sign of the crew members.
All seven aboard the Coast Guard plane are stationed at the Coast
Guard Air Station in Sacramento, Calif. Among the other missing
crew members on the plane were Lt. Cmdr. Che Barnes, 35, of
Capay, Calif.; Chief Petty Officer John F. Seidman, 43, of Carmichael,
Calif.; Petty Officer 2nd Class Carl P. Grigonis, 35, of Mayfield
Heights, Ohio; Petty Officer 2nd Class Monica L. Beacham, 29, of
Decaturville, Tenn.; Petty Officer 2nd Class Jason S. Moletzsky, 26, of
Norristown, Pa., and Petty Officer 3rd Class Danny R. Kreder II, 22,
of Elm Mott, Texas.
Maj. Samuel Leigh, 35, of Belgrade, Maine, was the other crew
member on board the Marine Corps helicopter.
The investigation will be conducted jointly by the Coast Guard and

the Marine Corps, Petty Officer Henry Dunphy said Sunday. The
Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation
Safety Board will be available in a support role, Dunphy said.
The accident happened in airspace uncontrolled by the FAA and inside

a so-called military warning area, which is at times open to civilian
aircraft and at times closed for military use, FAA spokesman Ian
Gregor said. He did not know the status of the airspace at the time of
the crash.
Minutes before the collision, the FAA told the C-130 pilot to begin
communicating with military controllers at Naval Air Station North
Island in San Diego Bay, but it was not known if the pilot did so,
Gregor said.
On Saturday, a top Coast Guard official said he believed the C-130

pilot had spoken with the military controllers before the accident.
Accident investigators who began arriving in San Diego on Saturday

would review communications between the pilots and between the
pilots and the FAA and military controllers, said Capt. Tom Farris,
commander of the Coast Guard's 11th District.
Investigators are also collecting witness statements from those

aboard the three other Marine aircraft and will check to see if any
distress calls were made.
Calls to Marine Corps investigators were not immediately returned

Sunday.
___
Associated Press Writers Tim Huber in Charleston, W.Va., and Kristen

Wyatt in Denver also contributed to this report.

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Christopher Weber, Associated Press Writer – 8 mins ago
LOS ANGELES – The search for nine people missing when a U.S.
Coast Guard plane collided with a Marine Corps helicopter over the
Pacific Ocean is now a recovery mission, officials said Sunday.
Petty Officer First Class Allison Conroy said there was little chance of
finding survivors among the seven military personnel aboard the
Coast Guard C-130 and the two in the Marine Corps AH-1W Super
Cobra helicopter.
"We always hold out some hope, but at this point the Coast Guard
has suspended the active search for survivors," Conroy said.
The two aircraft collided Thursday evening as the Coast Guard was
searching for a missing boater. The Marine helicopter was flying in
formation with another Cobra helicopter and two transports on a
nighttime training exercise.
The Coast Guard has begun its investigation into the cause of the
crash, Conroy said.
Kenneth Claiborne, the father of one of the missing crew members on

the plane, said Sunday that his son, Marine 1st Lt. Thomas Claiborne,
had been declared deceased. He declined to comment further and
referred calls to a Marine spokesperson.
But the mother of Lt. Adam W. Bryant, 28, of Crewe, Va., who was a
co-pilot on the Coast Guard plane, said she hadn't given up hope
despite the Coast Guard's announcement.
"Miracles do happen," Nina Bryant said Sunday. "Miracles every day."
Rear Adm. Joseph Castillo said Saturday evening that the chance for
finding survivors would be slim, even though the servicemembers
had access to heat-retaining drysuits and were in excellent physical
shape. Water temperatures were in the low 60s at the time of the
collision.
"We don't ever want to suspend the case prematurely, when there
may be someone out there," Castillo had said. "But hope gets less
every day. My hope today is not what it was yesterday."
The Coast Guard search for the missing boater, David Jines, 50, was
called off Saturday evening.
Nine aircraft searched over a 644-square-mile patch of ocean in

waters about 2,000 feet deep. Debris from both aircraft was found,
but there was no sign of the crew members.
All seven aboard the Coast Guard plane are stationed at the Coast
Guard Air Station in Sacramento, Calif. Among the other missing
crew members on the plane were Lt. Cmdr. Che Barnes, 35, of
Capay, Calif.; Chief Petty Officer John F. Seidman, 43, of Carmichael,
Calif.; Petty Officer 2nd Class Carl P. Grigonis, 35, of Mayfield
Heights, Ohio; Petty Officer 2nd Class Monica L. Beacham, 29, of
Decaturville, Tenn.; Petty Officer 2nd Class Jason S. Moletzsky, 26, of
Norristown, Pa., and Petty Officer 3rd Class Danny R. Kreder II, 22,
of Elm Mott, Texas.
Maj. Samuel Leigh, 35, of Belgrade, Maine, was the other crew
member on board the Marine Corps helicopter.
"These brave men and women dedicated their lives to ensuring our
safety, and today we are tragically reminded of the dangers they face
while protecting our state and nation," California Gov. Arnold
Schwarzenegger said in a statement Sunday. "Maria and I join all
Californians in expressing our respect and gratitude for their service
and sadness over their deaths."
The investigation will be conducted jointly by the Coast Guard and

the Marine Corps, Petty Officer Henry Dunphy said Sunday. The
Federal Aviation Administration and the National Transportation
Safety Board will be available in a support role, Dunphy said.
The accident happened in airspace uncontrolled by the FAA and inside

a so-called military warning area, which is at times open to civilian
aircraft and at times closed for military use, FAA spokesman Ian

Gregor said. He did not know the status of the airspace at the time of
the crash.
Minutes before the collision, the FAA told the C-130 pilot to begin
communicating with military controllers at Naval Air Station North
Island in San Diego Bay, but it was not known if the pilot did so,
Gregor said.
On Saturday, a top Coast Guard official said he believed the C-130

pilot had spoken with the military controllers before the accident.
Accident investigators who began arriving in San Diego on Saturday

would review communications between the pilots and between the
pilots and the FAA and military controllers, said Capt. Tom Farris,
commander of the Coast Guard's 11th District.
Investigators are also collecting witness statements from those

aboard the three other Marine aircraft and will check to see if any
distress calls were made.
Calls to Marine Corps investigators were not immediately returned

Sunday.
The Coast Guard C-130 is a four-engine turboprop transport aircraft.

It generally carries a crew of five: two pilots, a navigator, flight
engineer and loadmaster. The Coast Guard uses the C-130 for search
and rescue missions and cargo and personnel transport.
The AH-1 SuperCobra is a twin-engine attack helicopter outfitted with

a 20mm cannon that carries a pilot and co-pilot or gunner. The
Marines use it for support of ground troops and protection of Navy
ships and planes at sea.
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11-01-2009 07:15 PM
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Andrew Steven Baker
Registered: Jul 2003 Modified: Tuesday, Nov 17th, 2009
Posts: 9017 Andrew Steven Baker
July 31, 1986 – November 15, 2009
Word was received that Andrew “Drew” Baker passed away Nov. 15
at his home on the Coast Guard Base in Portsmouth, Va.
Memorial services will be held in Philadelphia, Miss., with the

interment in Fulton, Miss.
Drew was born to Steve. W. Baker and Patrisa Dawn (Nicholson)

Baker, July 31, 1986 in Chadron, Neb. His early years were spend in
Chadron, before moving with his family to Philadelphia, Miss. There
he finished elementary, junior high and high school, before joining
the Coast Guard in 2005.
Mourning his death are his father, Steve W. and his wife, Nadine
Baker of Torrington; his mother, Patrisa Dawn Baker-Stewart and
sister Meredith Baker of Fulton, Miss.; grandparents, Pat and Rita
Baker of Chadron, Neb.; uncle Bob and his wife, Marlene Baker and
family of Rapid City, S.D., and aunt Judy and her husband John Ryan
and family of Chadron, Neb.
Preceding him in death were two cousins, Stacy Swim and Charles
Ryan of Chadron, Neb.
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duncan I researched the local Portsmouth rag and checked the Portsmouth
Moderator CG website were Baker was stationed and not one word about how
this guy died.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado How odd. Only 23 years old and he dies on base, why?
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WASHINGTON – Universities and colleges are still waiting for tuition
Registered: Jul 2003 payments for thousands of Iraq and Afghanistan veterans who
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Veterans Affairs Department officials promise to get them back into

the classroom. The VA says the number of veterans with claims
unprocessed is now fewer than 5,000 — down from tens of thousands
— and the goal is to have them all processed by the end of the year.
"We continue to work on a daily basis with schools to make sure that
no student is denied attending class as a result of delayed tuition
payments," Katie Roberts, a VA spokeswoman, said Tuesday. "It's a
top priority for VA to make sure that students can focus on their
studies rather than their bank accounts."

But after being besieged by delays and financial hardship last

semester that left them struggling to make rent payments and pay
for textbooks, many veterans are frantically contacting veterans
service organizations such as the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of
America for guidance.
Clay Hunt, a former Marine corporal who served in Iraq and

Afghanistan, attends Loyola Marymount University in Los Angeles. He
said he and his wife have racked up about $4,000 in credit card debt
because his university won't release student loans he needs for living
expenses until tuition is fully paid. Hunt, 27, said under the GI Bill
the school is still owed about $6,000 and he personally is owed about
$1,700 for housing and books.
"I am disappointed about it," Hunt said. "I'm very disappointed about
the way it was implemented. I feel like the VA had ample time to
figure out how they were going to disperse these payments and
make sure this transition to the new GI Bill went smoothly, and they
definitely failed to do that."
Tom Tarantino, legislative associate for New York-based IAVA, which

lobbied for the education benefit and is pushing Congress to simplify
the formula for determining what amount veterans receive, said he
talked to one veteran who graduated but hasn't been allowed to get
his diploma because the tuition hasn't been paid. Others weren't
allowed to enroll for the spring semester, he said.
"The next semester is going to be a mess. Straight up," Tarantino

said. "I don't know if it's going to be as bad as this semester was, but
it is going to be ugly."
Beyond the tuition, many of the veterans have had to wait for funds
paid directly to them for housing and books. To help cushion the
blow, the VA issued $3,000 emergency checks to more than 68,000
veterans, but for some the money's run out.
President Barack Obama rolled out the post-9/11 GI Bill on Aug. 3,

and praised it as an opportunity to transform the lives of a new
generation of veterans. It's designed to be the most comprehensive
education benefit for veterans since World War II.
The maximum benefit allows eligible veterans to attend a public

college or university for free for four years, provides a monthly
housing stipend, and up to $1,000 a year for books. Active duty
service members can transfer the benefit to their spouse or kids.
It's estimated that $78 billion will be paid and so far the VA has paid
about $1 billion to almost 150,000 veterans.
But the complexity of the formula used to establish what the veteran
receives, and a clunky information technology system used by the VA
to process claims, means that each claim takes about an hour and a
half to process and it has to be manually processed in four different
IT systems.

Keith M. Wilson, director of the VA's Office of Education Service, told

a congressional panel on Dec. 3 that the agency is using "brute force"
to get claims processed. The number of staff has increased from 800
to 1,200 and the VA implemented a mandatory overtime policy. The
VA expects to have all claims received by Jan. 15 paid by Feb. 1.
Wilson said the VA is open to the possibility of doing another round of

emergency payments. It is set to have an automated system fully
running in December of next year.
The financial uncertainty of when money will arrive is too much for
some veterans. Margaret Baechtold, director of veterans support
services at Indiana University, testified at the same hearing that one
veteran who attended classes last fall at the university's Indianapolis
campus is instead going to be a roofer in January.
"Some have indicated they can't bear the stress of the financial
situation that they are in because they don't know what's going to
happen," Baechtold said.
On the last day of classes in December at IU, she said 16 veterans

certified as eligible for the new GI Bill before November hadn't
received promised funds, Baechtold said later in a telephone
interview. She said the school issued more than $27,000 in
emergency loans to help out the veterans in need.
"It is a nightmare and I feel sorry for the folks who are trying to
process this," Baechtold said.
Last month, Reps. Stephanie Herseth Sandlin, D-S.D., chairwoman of

the House Veterans subcommittee on economic opportunity, and
John Boozman, R-Ark., the subcommittee's ranking member, wrote
Veterans Affairs Secretary Eric Shinseki suggesting ways the agency
could better communicate with veterans so there's less confusion.
Some say the schools also need to do a better job of getting

paperwork to the VA.
Veterans service organizations have sought to have the benefit

expanded in areas such as vocational training and for those
participating in distance learning programs.
Rep. Steve Buyer, R-Ind., the ranking member of the House

Veterans' Committee, said the priority should be getting claims
processed in a timely manner.
"What good are benefits if we can't deliver them in a timely manner?"

Buyer said at the hearing.
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liberranter quote:
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Clay Hunt, a former Marine corporal

who served in Iraq and Afghanistan,
attends Loyola Marymount
University in Los Angeles. He said he
and his wife have racked up about
$4,000 in credit card debt because
his university won't release student
loans he needs for living expenses
until tuition is fully paid. Hunt, 27,
Posts: 5865 said under the GI Bill the school is
still owed about $6,000 and he
personally is owed about $1,700 for
housing and books.
"I am disappointed about it," Hunt

said. "I'm very disappointed about
the way it was implemented. I feel
like the VA had ample time to figure
out how they were going to disperse
these payments and make sure this
transition to the new GI Bill went
smoothly, and they definitely failed
to do that."
...
It's estimated that $78 billion will

be paid and so far the VA has paid
about $1 billion to almost 150,000
veterans.
But the complexity of the formula

used to establish what the veteran
receives, and a clunky information
technology system used by the VA
to process claims, means that each
claim takes about an hour and a half
to process and it has to be manually
processed in four different IT
systems.
...
"What good are benefits if we can't

deliver them in a timely manner?"

Buyer said at the hearing.
I realized even before leaving active duty that the

current generation's G.I. Bill was one great big
scam. After learning the real truth behind it,
including the fact that any tuition benefits paid are
TAXED AS INCOME(!!!!), I said "fuck it" and simply
paid for my undergraduate tuition, fee, and textbook
costs out of pocket, racking up considerable credit
card debt in the process (which I was fortunate
enough to be able to pay off in a relatively short
time after getting my Bachelor's degree). Yet I still
see red when I realize that I wasted $1,200 dollars
of my meager military salary contributing to this
"benefit" that I couldn't even use (FUCK YOU, Sonny
Montgomery! I hope your sorry cracker ass is
roasting in hell!)
I don't know how many more generations of

desperate, naive sheep have to be sheered before
people wake up and realize that this is just one more
in a long series of fuck-overs, one more of many
broken promises that the Establishment scumbags
make in order to get "disposable" (to them) human
beings to volunteer to become cannon fodder for
their imperial wars. One would think that intelligent
human beings would have learned that lesson after
the First World War (or even the Civil War, for that
matter), but apparently each generation starts off
with a blank memory slate. We can only hope that
this time things will be different, that the Power Elite
will finally go too far and that even the most
dimwitted bulb in the human chandelier will light up
and say "Fuck this, ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!"
Meanwhile, let this be a lesson to all of you who are

still on active duty or who are considering joining the
imperial legions. The State never, EVER keeps its
promises and will abandon you like last week's
garbage as soon as you are no longer of cannon
fodder use to them!
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that too.
12-23-2009 01:37 PM
duncan ...hope none of you know this guy...

Moderator
Registered: Jul 2003 The Navy Times

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Thursday, January 7, 2010
Posts: 9017
SEAL faker pleads guilty in Stolen Valor case
By Lance M. Bacon
Staff writer
A retired Coast Guard chief warrant officer 2 who claimed

to be a decorated and combat-hardened SEAL - and
managed to get a disability rating from the government -
has pleaded guilty to wearing combat awards he did not
earn.
Thomas Barnhart pleaded guilty Wednesday in federal

court in Roanoke, Va. to two counts of violating the
Stolen
Valor Act.
Barnhart served a combined 21 years in the Navy and

the
Coast Guard. He joined the Navy in 1969, then moved

to the Coast Guard 10 years later, retiring in 1990. He

entered the Coast Guard claiming to be a SEAL who had
completed diving school and High Altitude-Low Opening
parachutist school, according to court records.
He also claimed to have earned the Silver Star, Bronze

Star with "V" for valor, Purple Heart with four stars, a
Combat Action Ribbon and Vietnam War-era awards.
The Coast Guard clerk bought the story and added the
awards to Barnhart's DD 214. Later DD 214 alterations
would add a Navy Commendation with "V" device,
Presidential Unit Citation with three stars, and
Vietnamese
Medal of Honor First and Second Class.
"Witnesses have stated that the defendant would spin

yarns
about his secret missions with the Navy SEALs and
describe
various combat situations in which he was wounded,"
Assistant U.S. Attorney Craig "Jake" Jacobsen said in his
comments to the court, which he provided to Navy
Times.
"As a result of what everyone believed, the defendant
was
promoted to warrant officer in the [Coast Guard] ahead
of
others, likely as a result of the defendant's stellar
'combat
record.' "
Barnhart, who did serve off the coast of Vietnam in 1969

and 1970, retired Dec. 31, 1990, and applied for
disability
through the Department of Veterans Affairs less than a
year later. By this time, he was passing himself off as a
member of SEAL Team 1 with five Purple Hearts and a
nomination for the Medal of Honor. He claimed a scar on
his left forearm was the result of a gun shot, though VA
medical records from 1987 said the injury was the result
of his cutting himself on a piece of metal.
The VA claim was denied, but Barnhart was successful

after giving it another try - this time with the help of his
congressman - in 2005. This time, Barnhart claimed he
suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder, and pointed
to his altered DD 214 to support his claim.

During a subsequent medical exam in Virginia Beach,

Va.,
Barnhart told the examining physician he was a SEAL in
Vietnam assigned to an elite HALO parachute unit. He
claimed to have engaged in multiple combat missions and
received two Silver Stars, three Bronze Stars and five
Purple Hearts. But an alleged rescue of a downed pilot,
seeing a soldier being blown up by a rocket and having a
pilot die in his arms after their helicopter had been shot
down led to his PTSD, he told the doctor.
"The awards keep growing. Then he is a SEAL, then he

has all the heroics," Jacobsen told Navy Times. "I've seen
this in similar pattern in other cases. The phonies can't
help themselves. The awards and accolades always
grow."
Still, the VA decided in 2006 to award Barnhart a

30 percent disability rating for PTSD.
The case against him began when Mary Schantag of the

POW Network got wind of the bogus claims. She
began an exhaustive investigation that ultimately led
to the state's attorney's office looking into the matter.
On Jan. 25, 2008, he admitted his DD 214 was altered,
and that he was neither a SEAL nor a combat veteran.
By that time, Barnhart had received $13,923 for his

fraudulent PTSD claim.
"He was very quiet and 'fessed up when he was

arrested,"
said Jacobsen, who is an Iraq war veteran. "He seemed
sincere in his apologies and didn't deny that he had
fabricated his history."
Barnhart's sentencing is set for April 8 in Roanoke. He

faces 10 years in prison and a $250,000 fine for the theft
of government funds and one year in prison and a $5,000
fine for claiming medals he did not earn, which is a
misdemeanor. He also is required to pay back the
$13,923
received from the VA for disability.
URL: http://www.navytimes.com/news/2010/...
_faker_010710w/

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01-08-2010 03:34 PM
duncan He should have told them the same thing I tell them.
Moderator
I was a Coast Guard WALRUS and defended the nations
Registered: Jul 2003 bouy's from the evil empire of Russia.
Posts: 9017 The fool could have told the truth all along and still
recieved a disability check. He was in Vietnam, but never
saw combat, still a Vietnam veteran. He did injure
himself while on duty and could have pulled that PTSD
crap like so many who never saw combat are doing now.
I now of two guys in Cheyenne using that PTSD BS to

get free money by cliaming that their stint in boot camp
caused them to have nightmares. Both of these clowns
will say that they are Vietnam vets and one of them just
isn't old enough to make it work.
I know of another guy who did a short stint in the Navy

during Vietnam in a submarine and he is using that
PTSD BS by cliaming that his time underwater time left
him with a permanent problem of claustrophobia.
Another fellow runs around town wearing an Army Cav

hat and pins on the hat to include an entire array of US

Army bumper stikers on the back of his pickup truck.
The guy recieved a Dishonorable and it took him
decades to get the thing up graded to a General
Discharge.
My list could go on ad nauseum.
I don't get to excited when some guy starts talking to

me at the VA about his co-called war experiences. The
Gulf War was not a war it was after all nothing but
another one of those federal jokes. Most combat
veterans never live to tell the tale because most die in
the line of duty.
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01-08-2010 03:35 PM

duncan Coast Guard crew survives crash in Utah mountains

Moderator
By MIKE STARK
Registered: Jul 2003 Associated Press Writer
Posts: 9017 SALT LAKE CITY (AP) -- Two crew members remained in
critical condition Thursday after a Coast Guard helicopter
crashed in the Utah mountains.
The helicopter with five aboard crashed Wednesday

morning as the crew was headed back to its base in
Elizabeth City, N.C., after providing security support for
the Winter Olympics.
University Hospital officials said Thursday afternoon that

Cmdr. Patrick Shaw of Juneau, Alaska and Petty Officer
2nd Class Gina Panuzzi, of Lacey, Wash., remained in
critical condition. Both suffered internal injuries.
A third crew member, Lt. Cmdr. Steven Cerveny, of

Lincoln, Neb., was in serious condition after suffering a
broken leg.
Two others aboard were not seriously injured.
The Coast Guard planned to begin its investigation into

the crash on Thursday.
Authorities said snow and wind affected visibility but

they don't know if that's what caused the crash.
The MH-60T Jayhawk helicopter was one of two traveling

through the area after a security detail for the
Vancouver Games, said Dan Dewell, a spokesman for
the Coast Guard's 11th District in Alameda, Calif.
The helicopters made a refueling stop in Salt Lake City -

one of several required for the long trip - and were
headed to Leadville, Colo., before spending the night in
Kansas City.
The helicopter went down in a snowy, wooded area

about 50 miles east of Salt Lake City.
Coast Guard officials didn't immediately know why the

helicopter went down. Blizzard-like conditions were
reported at the time of the crash, said Chief Mike
Hvozda, a spokesman for the Coast Guard's 5th district,

which includes Air Station Elizabeth City.
"I'm not sure if that's what they ran into or not but
that's what was reported to us," Hvozda said.
Wasatch County Sheriff Todd Bonner told KSL-TV that

visibility was "very minimal" because of snow and wind
at the time of the crash.
"They (were) flying a low height, and they just kind of

banked in the wrong area - didn't really see what was
there apparently - and into the pine trees," Bonner said.
After the crash, the co-pilot used a cell phone to call the
Coast Guard colleagues, Dewell said. Detective Ron
Bridge of the Summit County sheriff's department also
said at least one crew member from the downed
helicopter communicated via text message, but
communications were difficult because of the terrain.
The helicopter ended up on its side in a heavily wooded

area accessible only by snowmobile, said Sgt. Jeremy
Hales of the Wasatch County sheriff's office.
The second helicopter spotted the wreckage but had to

refuel before it returned to pick up two of the injured,
according to Lt. Col. Susan Romano, of the Air Force
Rescue Coordination Center in Panama City, Fla. A third
crew member was flown out in a second helicopter.
All were taken to University Hospital at the University of

Utah in Salt Lake City.
The two others aboard the helicopter were Petty Officer

3rd Class Darren Hicks, 22, Oroville, Wash.; and Petty
Officer 3rd Class Edward Sychra, 26, Blanchard, Idaho,
according to the Coast Guard.
The crash hits hard with the close-knit Coast Guard

community, Hvozda said.
"Whenever we hear something like this, you heart

immediately goes out to the folks involved and their
families," he said.
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03-04-2010 07:51 PM
duncan http://www.military.com/news/articl...C=coastguard.nl
Moderator
Coast Guard Sacks Seattle Sector Commander
Registered: Jul 2003 April 16, 2010
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Seattle Times
Posts: 9017
Citing a lack of confidence in her leadership, the U.S.
Coast Guard has replaced the captain who was in
command of the Coast Guard's Sector Seattle.
Rear Adm. Gary T. Blore, commander of the 13th Coast

Guard District, said Capt. Suzanne E. Englebert was
relieved of her command duties because of the poor
"command climate" under her rule.
Englebert, a 23-year veteran of the Coast Guard, will be

temporarily assigned to the administrative headquarters
of District 13 in the Jackson Federal Building in
downtown Seattle, according to Cmdr. Mark McCadden,
chief of external affairs for the district.
"The decision to relieve a commanding officer is never

easy and is taken very seriously," Blore said in a
statement released on Thursday. "Due to an
unacceptable command climate, this commander no
longer had my confidence to command an effective unit.

I firmly believe this decision was made in the best

interest of the unit and the Service."
The position will be temporarily filled by Capt. Scott

Bornemann, the Coast Guard said.
McCadden said the move is unusual.
Englebert, who assumed command in August 2008, was

removed from command after several months of
investigation and observation, McCadden said.
He defined a "good" command climate as one in which

there is open communication between supervisors and
subordinates, mentoring of junior personnel and a sense
of mutual respect among colleagues.
Sector Seattle oversees the comprehensive maritime

safety, security and marine-environmental response
operations throughout the Sector's 3,500-square-mile
area of responsibility.
The sector's maritime responsibilities include oversight

of the ferry system, the container port, the Alaska
fishing fleet, strategic naval port and the transport of
more than 15 billion gallons of oil products each year.
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04-22-2010 03:57 PM
duncan C. Guardsmen become service’s 1st SEALs

Moderator
Registered: Jul 2003 By Susan Schept - Staff writer

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Posted : Friday May 21, 2010 16:13:49 EDT
Posts: 9017
Two Coast Guard officers became the first in their
service to earn SEAL tridents Friday, according to Navy
and Coast Guard officials. Another three are in the
pipeline.
They will be the first uniformed personnel ever assigned

to an operational SEAL team while a member of another
branch of the U.S. Armed Forces.
Their graduation ceremony was scheduled for 11 a.m.

Pacific time at Naval Amphibious Base Coronado, Calif.
The Coast Guard signed an agreement in July 2008 with

the Navy and Special Operations Command to allow
Coast Guardsmen the opportunity to train and integrate
with an operational SEAL team for about seven years
before returning to their service.
“The commandant just wanted to contribute forces to

the Global War on Terror,” said Lt. James McLay, a
spokesman for the Coast Guard deployable operations
group.
The agreement will allow the Coast Guard eventually to

have its own subject matter experts in special warfare
and to further its development of its counter-terrorism
programs, McLay said. It also helps increase
interoperability with the Navy, he said.
Four Coast Guard officers, whose names were not

released, were the first to attend SEAL training in
January 2009. Two completed the Navy’s first phase of
training, Basic Underwater Demolition/SEAL, on Sept. 3
and are the ones who got their tridents Friday. A third
officer dropped out and a fourth was injured. He
eventually recovered and graduated from BUD/S —
considered to be the most difficult part of SEAL training
— April 22. He is expected to graduate next spring.

“During the past 14 months they have proven their

mettle and have truly earned the right to be called our
teammates,” said Navy Rear Adm. Gary Bonelli, deputy
commander of Naval Special Warfare Command, in a
statement. “Today’s graduation is just one more
example of the many integral ties that bind our maritime
services.”
Coast Guard Rear Adm. Dean Lee, commander of the

service’s deployable operations group, echoed Bonelli’s
comments.
“We are extremely proud of the dedication and effort

displayed by these two members in graduating from
SEAL Qualification Training,” Lee said in a statement.
“They are trailblazers for our service, and we wish them
the best of luck as they continue to serve their nation.”
The two Coast Guard SEALs declined to be interviewed,

McLay said.
This year, the Coast Guard selected three additional

Coast Guardsmen for SEAL training, said Lt. Fred Martin,
a spokesman for the Naval Special Warfare Center in
Coronado. One started BUD/S training and dropped out
in early April. One starts BUD/S training Monday. The
other one is at Special Warfare Preparatory School at
Great Lakes and has not been assigned a class yet. The
Coast Guard is looking for a fourth applicant to fill its
final slot for 2010.
The two Coast Guardsmen are part of a class of 41 who

graduated Friday, Martin said. He said the graduates
would be assigned to active-duty SEAL teams, but for
security reasons, he could not say where they were
going.
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05-24-2010 02:10 PM
duncan How pathetic, anything to justify a need.

Moderator
I was a CG WALRUS.
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05-24-2010 02:11 PM

duncan http://www.military.com/news/articl...C=coastguard.nl
Moderator
4 CG Members Charged in Fatal Collision
Registered: Jul 2003 July 02, 2010
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Associated Press
Posts: 9017
SAN DIEGO -– The Coast Guard filed criminal charges
Thursday against four members of the service involving
the collision of one of its patrol boats and a civilian craft
that killed an 8-year-old boy and injured five other
people on San Diego Bay.
The Coast Guard said in a statement that four petty

officers face charges ranging from involuntary
manslaughter to negligent homicide and dereliction of
duty. Some of the charges are punishable by several
years in prison upon conviction.
Click here to find out more!

The collision occurred the night of Dec. 20 as vessels
were gathered in San Diego Bay for an annual Christmas
parade of decorated boats. Witnesses had said the 33-
foot Coast Guard boat was speeding when it collided
with a 26-foot Sea Ray pleasure boat.
Anthony Cole DeWeese died in the crash.
The charges were brought against the four boat crew

members under the Uniform Code of Military Justice.
Rear Adm. Joseph Castillo, commander of the 11th Coast
Guard District, was named as the convening authority in
the case.
The Coast Guard charged Petty Officer Paul A. Ramos,

the boat coxswain, with involuntary manslaughter,
aggravated assault, negligently hazarding a vessel, and
dereliction of duty.
Petty Officer Ian M. Howell was charged with negligent

homicide, aggravated assault, negligently suffering a
vessel to be hazarded, and dereliction of duty.
Petty Officer Brittany N. Rasmussen was charged with

negligent homicide, aggravated assault, and dereliction
of duty.
A charge of dereliction of duty was brought against Petty

Officer Lavelle M. Teague.

The case will proceed to a military process called an

Article 32 investigation, similar to a grand jury in civilian
courts, where a decision will be made whether to move
forward to a court-martial.
Involuntary manslaughter is punishable by up to 10

years in prison. Other potential maximum terms are five
years for aggravated assault, three years for negligent
homicide, two years for negligently hazarding a vessel,
and three months for dereliction of duty.
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duncan The TRT: A new day is dawning

Moderator
The TRT is back in action and can be seen at upcoming gun shows.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I will use this thread as a log of our coming events.
Posts: 9017
Sorry Morrison but traitors like you are not welcome. You have been tagged as
a gun grabbing commie who had tried to infiltrate the TRT. You even admitted
it in your last email to me, that you are working with the FBI.
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are exempt from public disclosure." - Washington State Court of Appeals
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01-31-2009 06:08 PM
duncan I will be placing copies of the news stories on the table about Morrison and his
Moderator feeble attempt to destroy the TRT. The news articles will include a photo and
all personal info.
Posts: 9017
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01-31-2009 06:11 PM
duncan The Hidden Weapon of "Gun Control" Advocates

Moderator By Kirby Ferris 1/29/09
Registered: Jul 2003 Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership

Posts: 9017
Advocates of victim disarmament in today’s American politics owe their tactics

and techniques to a man whose name is becoming more and more familiar:
Saul Alinsky. Hillary Clinton actually sat at his feet. Barack Hussein Obama was
spoon fed his teachings. Bill Clinton was Saul’s ideological son. And you can bet
that freshman Senator Kirsten Gillibrand (Dem. NY) has been well versed in
Alinskyism by her own mentor … Madam Hillary.
For decades gun owners have shaken their head in wonder as lie after lie from
the gun grabbers results in more and more anti firearms ownership legislation.
We can conservatively estimate that there are at least sixty five million gun
owners in America today. That is an immense “interest group”. And yet, gun
registration (and outright confiscation) schemes have never, in the entire
history of our nation, loomed so ominously on the horizon.
How has this been done? The evolution of an America in the sixties, when kids

took shotguns and rifles to school so they could go out hunting after classes, to
a climate wherein today a kid draws a picture of a gun in class and gets hustled
off to a shrink and likely suspended.
Lunacy reigns. But it didn’t happen accidentally. We’ve arrived at the endgame
of a process, a process that Saul Alinsky, if he didn’t invent it, polished,
packaged, and taught with unbelievable skill and cynicism.
Alinsky’s last book, published in 1971, a year before he died, is titled “Rules For
Radicals”. These tactics are the “hidden weapon” of the more sophisticated “gun
control” advocates.
Here are Alinsky’s thirteen basic rules. I’ve commented on each, and how they
are used by the victim disarmament crowd. The old saw, “know thine enemy”,
is ably served if you first understand what your enemy has been taught. The
next time you see an anti gun politician or spokesperson spouting off about
“responsible gun ownership”, or “keeping guns out of the hands of criminals”,
or “the rights of hunters” understand that it is all deception based upon
Alinsky’s tactics.
Rule 1: Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.
If your organization is small, hide your numbers in the dark and raise a din that
will make everyone think you have many more people than you do.
Josh Sugarmann, Sarah Brady, Charles Schumer, Dianne Feinstein, and their
ilk, are superlative grandstanders. Like verbally vomiting vultures, they
immediately appear in front of the cameras whenever a Stockton, California or
Columbine, Colorado shooting spree takes place. They actually seem pre-
prepared, almost as if they knew something was going to happen. In the horror
of the aftermath, they shamelessly silence pro gun advocates with a flood of
emotionalized, illogical, irrational, and manipulative buzz phrases and clichés
that a rabidly anti gun media presents to the American public with somber
aplomb. Some of them, like that morally perverse harridan from New Jersey,
Carolyn McCarthy, actually rise to power by irrationally and hysterically
pandering their personal losses to the crowd. The queen of passive
aggressiveness, Sarah Brady, used the same tactic.
Rule 2: Never go outside the experience of your people. The result is confusion,
fear, and retreat.
Sadly, the gun grabbers are better organized than most pro gun groups. Alinsky
taught his students moral relativism. The end justifies the means. Look at the
political killer instinct demonstrated by the leadership and active base of the
“guns are bad” sub culture. The NRA operates on schmooze, backslapping, and
insidious ground losing compromise. Handgun Control Inc. runs on secrecy,
back stabbing, and unwavering betrayal of agreement. They are winning. We
are losing.
Twenty years ago, JPFO (unaware of Alinsky’s teachings, it might be added)

was founded with the realization that it was time someone countered the lies of
the gun grabbers using some of the enemy’s tactics. Thankfully, JPFO doesn’t
have to lie … ever. Watch JPFO’s documentary “Innocents Betrayed”,(trailer - -
store purchase of full DVD) the graphic and unnerving chronicle of disarmed
citizens and genocides in history.
There is a crucial difference between JPFO and our adversaries: We don’t need
moral relativism because we don’t have to lie.
Rule 3: Whenever possible, go outside the experience of the enemy. Here you
want to cause confusion, fear, and retreat.

This is easy for the Carolyn McCarthys, the Chuck Schumers, and the Dianne
Feinsteins. They are liars. And gun owners are perhaps inculcated with a more
fundamental, innate, honesty than any other easily definable social group. So
when Feinstein or Schumer fights dirty, our side tends to cringe in disgust and
confusion and disbelief. How many times have your heard a gun owner ask:
“How can they lie like that?!” They lie because it is working!
Rule 4: Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules. “You can kill them
with this, for they can no more obey their own rules than the Christian church
can live up to Christianity.”
The alleged pacifism of the Jewish and Christian faiths, is used relentlessly
against gun owners, many whom have deep religious beliefs and “old
fashioned” moral constructs. Have you ever noticed that there is always a
pastor, priest, or rabbi at an anti gun ownership rally? Always. Their message
to gun owners is subtle and corrosive: “Thou shalt not kill". How can you even
think of owning a gun?” The underlying subliminal context? Self defense is a
sin. This is an insane lie.
And, by the way, the accurate translation of the Sixth Commandment is “Thou
shalt not murder". It is not “Thou shalt not kill”. Think on that. (see: “2A Today
for the U.S.A.”, JPFO’s crystal clear explanation of the Second Amendment.).
Rule 5: Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon. It’s hard to counter-attack

ridicule, and it infuriates the opposition, which then reacts to your advantage.
Gun owners are “hillbillys”, “rednecks”, “macho”, “gun nuts”, “extremists”,

“paranoid”, and, if the gun owner is male “in fear of their sexual inadequacy”.
Come on, admit it, how many times have you wanted to kick smirking Chuckie
Schumer. Bingo! He won. You just lost.
Rule 6: A good tactic is one your people enjoy. “If your people aren’t having a
ball doing it, there is something very wrong with the tactic.”
At the time Alinsky wrote this, the late 1960s, he was teaching mostly college
age youths (most specifically Hillary Clinton, who he dearly wanted as his
protégé) the secrets of “activism”. The leadership of our devious opposition has
a flair for drama and theater. The true believers in Handgun Control Inc., the
day in and day out worker bees, are mostly younger folks. They are energetic
idealists with bagels for brains.
Meanwhile the staunch pro gun ownership activist is usually forty or older.
Sadly, in the realm of pure energy, they’ve got us beat. This is why it is so
important to get youngsters into shooting and gun safety and the moral issues
involved with that most basic human right, the right to self defense. JPFO’s
“Grampa Jack” series of educational comic books is the perfect way to introduce
youngsters to our cause.
Rule 7: A tactic that drags on for too long becomes a drag. Commitment may
become ritualistic as people turn to other issues.
Here is where we can beat them. The pro gun ownership activist knows, with
grim certainty, what waits at the end of gun confiscation. This somber
understanding keeps our shoulders to the plow. Our foundational tactics are:
Truth and history. It is that plain and that simple.
Rule 8: Keep the pressure on. Use different tactics and actions and use all

events of the period for your purpose.
They never stop, do they? Every sordid event that involves a firearm draws
them like flies. That is, unless the event is the morally righteous use of a
firearm that leaves a violent criminal dead or crippled, and an innocent citizen
alive, instead of dead. Then you don’t hear a peep from Chuckie or Sarah or
Dianne, do you?
Rule 9: The threat is more terrifying than the thing itself.
Alinsky used to arrange civil obstructions that would be financially damaging to

a city. He’d call for a “sit in” or demonstration and then shake down the city
politicians and get them to fund his pet socialist projects. Watch for the gun
grabbers to call in their pimp politicians like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton
when the “Big Threat”, the race card, needs to be played in a situation.
Rule 10: "The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that
will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition. It is this unceasing
pressure that results in the reactions from the opposition that are essential for
the success of the campaign."
Our adversaries never directly confront an issue. They can’t! Their entire
premise is a lie! They outflank, snipe from cover, and retreat. They’ll push a
cliché until it wears thin and then change pace, like a skilled quarterback
switching back and forth from ground game to passing game.
Rule 11: "If you push a negative hard and deep enough, it will break through
into its counterside... every positive has its negative."
This encapsulates Alinsky’s foundational cynicism and amorality. The victim

disarmament crowd deep down believes that lying to achieve their goals is okay.
“A lie told often enough becomes the truth.” Vladimir Lenin.
Rule 12: The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative. Avoid

being trapped by an opponent or an interviewer who says, “Okay, what would
you do?”
Ladies and Gentlemen, this is where we can pin them between Heaven and
Earth like wriggling worms. Because deep in the heart of every gun grabber is
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02-02-2009 07:15 PM
duncan I hear ya knockin Darren, but cha can't come in.

Moderator
At the gun show I shall place a large poster with a blown up pic of Darren on it
Registered: Jul 2003 with the caption under his picture I HATE THE TRT!!!!! I HATE ALL GUN
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado OWNERS!!!!!
Posts: 9017
Gun show this weekend.
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02-05-2009 06:01 PM
duncan I placed Darren's e-mails to me on the TRT poster board. The one were he
Moderator amdits to being an FBI informant and the oen were he states "**** the TRT".
Registered: Jul 2003 The truth aobut Morrison is now out there for all to see.
Posts: 9017
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02-07-2009 08:12 PM
duncan The TRT is about to have a meeting. I will be handing out flyers with pictures
Moderator and info about the FBI informant Morrison at the meeting.
Registered: Jul 2003 We shall rout out the FBI and police plants. I shall envoke some of that good
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado old fashion Cowboy Justice on Darren. YEEEEHAW!!!!!
Posts: 9017
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02-12-2009 03:45 PM
duncan http://legisweb.state.wy.us/2009/Introduced/HJ0018.pdf
Moderator
This state law prohibits LEO's from stealing our guns.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The ATF has no jurisdiction in Wyoming.
Posts: 9017
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02-12-2009 04:32 PM
duncan Word has it that Morrison wants to kill me.

Moderator
You don't scare me Darren, you will never silence a voice for liberty.
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02-16-2009 04:27 PM
duncan Gun show this weekend, best break out that Darren Morrison board for all to
Moderator see.
Registered: Jul 2003 __________________

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "I would rather die on my feet fighting rather than live to grovel on my knees." -General
Posts: 9017 Zapata

02-19-2009 08:57 PM
duncan This time I shall include a picture of Fat Vicki, Darren wife and accomplice, to
Moderator be placed on the picture board at the next gun show.
Registered: Jul 2003 You brought it on yourself Darren.

Posts: 9017 Keep that spam coming, it keeps you busy wasting your time and your hatred
of me will eventually burn you down.
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02-20-2009 04:22 PM
duncan We had real blast at this gun show and informed hundreds about Morrison.
Moderator
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02-22-2009 06:44 PM
duncan I think I shall display my Darren board at the upcoming event.

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03-04-2009 01:15 PM
duncan That's right p*gs the TRT is back and we are badder than ever.
Moderator
My little buddy Bob Glass is also back and about to do some talk radio. It will
Registered: Jul 2003 more of the same with some new added twist to the game.
Posts: 9017 I am the puppet master and control everything you swine come here to read.
You slobs will dance to my puppet strings.
A new day has dawned. Revolution is just around the corner and this time the
good guys will win.
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03-08-2009 04:38 PM
duncan http://www.wyomingtrt.com/
Moderator
Our new and improved Wyoming TRT website.
Posts: 9017
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04-01-2009 04:40 PM
duncan April 15th T-Party. Noon to 5:30pm at the capitol steps of Wyoming in
Moderator Cheyenne.
Registered: Jul 2003 NOBAMA!!!!!, NO FED!!!! and NO WYOMING HOMELAND SECURITY!!!!!!!

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04-05-2009 09:52 PM
duncan T-party website

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http://www.teapartyday.com/
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado This group may turn out to be a bunch of bushnik scum. We shall see.
Posts: 9017
The Cheyenne chapter website.
http://cheyennetaxdaytea.webs.com/
On April 15, be part of the Taxed Enough Already (TEA) party rally in your
community
On the day you pay your taxes, Wednesday, April 15, join others across the
country and in your hometown who will be participating in TAX Day TEA party
rallies in front of their city halls. The TAX Day TEA party rally will begin at 12
noon. See this video - the momentum is growing!
Are you fed up with a Congress and a president who:
* vote for a $500 billion tax bill without even reading it?
* are spending trillions of borrowed dollars, leaving a debt our great-
grandchildren will be paying?
* consistently give special interest groups billions of dollars in earmarks to
help get themselves re-elected?
* want to take your wealth and redistribute it to others?
* punish those who practice responsible financial behavior and reward those
who do not?
* admit to using the financial hurt of millions as an opportunity to push their
political agenda?

* run up trillions of dollars of debt and then sell that debt to countries such as
China?
* want government controlled health care?
* want to take away the right to vote with a secret ballot in union elections?
* refuse to stop the flow of millions of illegal immigrants into our country?
* appoint a defender of child pornography to the Number 2 position in the
Justice Department?
* want to force doctors and other medical workers to perform abortions
against their will?
* want to impose a carbon tax on your electricity, gas and home heating fuels?
* want to reduce your tax deductibility for charitable gifts?
* take money from your family budget to pay for their federal budget?
If so, participate in the TAX Day TEA party rally, the Taxed Enough Already
(TEA) party.
Bring your cell phone and call Congress and the president while attending the
TAX Day TEA party rally (Representative and Senators, 202-224-3121;
President, 202-456-1414). Tell Every American about this effort by forwarding
this invitation to your friends. Together we can make a difference.
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04-08-2009 07:53 PM
duncan http://www.trib.com/articles/2009/0...xt#blogcomments
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Casper Star Tribune
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Wednesday, April 15, 2009 7:19 PM MDT
Posts: 9017
Protesters gathered at the Wyoming Capitol to join other disgruntled
Americans who seized upon tax day Wednesday to voice their concern over
government spending and debt.
As the deadline to file income taxes drew near, about 300 people participated
in the "Cheyenne Tax Day Tea Party." Similar protests held around Wyoming
and nationwide were meant to echo the rebellion of the Boston Tea Party.
Organizers said there were also rallies in Casper, Sheridan, Buffalo, Gillette,
Jackson, Cody, Green River and Laramie.

A hearty group of about 300 protesters in Cody withstood blizzard conditions

at times.
Gathered at the base of the Capitol steps, the Cheyenne protesters hoisted
American flags and handmade signs as they cheered on speakers. Signs on
display read "Socialized Health Care is Not Free," "No More Taxation with
Lousy Representation," and "Congress: The Opposite of Progress."
Along with criticizing government debt, the protesters railed against bailouts
of private banks and companies, the Federal Reserve System, spending on
social programs and gun control.
"We're worried about the moral, political and economic direction of this
country today," said Kirk Kolkman, a telecommunications technician from
Cheyenne who helped organize the event. "We decided these events would be
a forum to educate people on the Constitution, nationalization of business and
industry, and federal tax-and-spend policy."
Kolkman and other organizers said they held the event independently of any
political party or other group.
Duncan Philp, of Carpenter, said he was surprised at the size of the crowd
Wednesday. Philp carried a Gadsden flag -- reading "Don't Tread on Me" --
and dragged a United Nations flag on the ground to display disrespect, he said.
Philp said he's a member of the Wyoming Tyranny Response Team, a group
dedicated to the Bill of Rights.
He said Congress ignored Americans' request not to bail out financially

troubled banks.
"Bush and Obama have done the same thing," Philp said. "They've given out
loans for money they don't have."
"I just got fed up with the government and decided to get involved," said
Pretty Martin, a Cheyenne resident who helped organize the rally. "Our
government is spending us into oblivion and taxing us to cover it."
Rally participants also sang "God Bless America," and shouted "Amen" when
speakers discussed topics of fiscal responsibility, personal sovereignty and
lower taxes.
"I'm here for my kids -- the debt we're piling on them," said Neal Butler, a
Laramie County resident who delivers liquid nitrogen for a living. "We're
protesting the debt before it becomes taxes."
Organizers of the Cheyenne event stressed a non-partisan message, but many

of those attending were clearly outraged by policies put in place by the Obama
administration and the Democrat-controlled Congress.
The Obama administration's economic stimulus package, and its long-term

repercussions on national debt, was a chief topic of discussion at Wednesday's
rally.
"There is more to being president that playing with a new dog," said M.
Leavell, a retired nurse, who said the government is selling out the American
people.
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04-16-2009 03:09 PM
duncan Duncan Philp, of Carpenter, said he was surprised at the size of the
Moderator crowd Wednesday. Philp carried a Gadsden flag -- reading "Don't
Tread on Me" -- and dragged a United Nations flag on the ground to
Registered: Jul 2003 display disrespect, he said.
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04-16-2009 03:10 PM

duncan I made both tea parties. I was packing two knives at the first one and for the
Moderator second one I was packing a .40 S&W Baretta pistol. A state trooper ordered
me to leave state property, becuase it is a crime to open carry a gun on state
Registered: Jul 2003 property. The trooper did say that I was allowed to stand in the side walk. The
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado trooper of course had a handgun on his hip.
Posts: 9017
I walked over to the side walk and within a matter a few seconds a Coporal
with the Cheyenne PD walked over to me and sttode behind me. I wlaked
away form him to the other side of the crowd and he soon followed me to
stand behind me. The cop was hoovering over me. I continued to stand on the
side walk until the event was concluded and I spotted the trooper near the
steps of the capitol. I wlaked over to talk with him about the issue of the
handgun on my hip. After I had approached him he stated that he was wrong
and had given me the wrong information and that it was legal for me to carry
a gun on state proeprty, but that I cannot carry a gun into the capitol building.
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04-16-2009 03:22 PM
duncan WE ARE BACK AND WE ARE THE TRT!!!!!!!!

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Roll over SPLC we are gonna run you *****s down.
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duncan TRT T-PARTY!!!!!

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knees." -General Zapata
"Our state and local law enforcement officers do not operate as "secret
police" whose names are exempt from public disclosure." - Washington
State Court of Appeals
A fella told me once "You can attract more flies to honey than you can
to vinegar." My response was "That maybe so, but flies are also

04-16-2009 03:29 PM
duncan http://www.wyomingnews.com/articles...op_04-16-09.txt
Moderator
Lots of anger
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Tea Party protest draws hundreds
Posts: 9017
By Baylie Evans
bevans@wyomingnews.com
Bailee Harris of Cheyenne recites the Pledge of Allegiance in
front of the Wyoming State Capitol during a Tax Day TEA
Party protest Wednesday afternoon. Over 300 hundred
people attended the protest. Michael Smith/staff
CHEYENNE -- Signs of protest waved under the sun

Wednesday afternoon as hundreds gathered at the
Wyoming State Capitol steps.
"No more taxation with lousy representation," one said.

"Socialized health care is not free," said another.
The protest was one of hundreds of organized Tax Day

protests across the country, held on the day the Internal
Revenue Service requires income taxes to be filed.
The goal, demonstrators said, was to send a message to

politicians that there are a lot of Americans who are angry
with the direction in which they feel the country is headed.
That direction: spending that they say is over the top.
"The message is that we, the people, are tired of the way
things are being run, and our voice is not being heard,"
said a protest organizer, Larry Lone.
The protest took place on Tax Day for a reason.
It was referred to as a tea party protest, reminiscent of the

Boston Tea Party of 1773. However, this was much more
peaceful, Frank Smith, a local blacksmith and student of U.
S. history, pointed out.
During the Boston Tea Party, colonists dressed up as

American Indians and tossed tea into Boston Harbor. They
were protesting a 3-cents-per-pound tax on tea without
having representation in the government, Smith told the
crowd.
"They believed that principles were more important than

pocketbook," he said.
Later, Smith explained that he wanted to protest and speak

out against the "raid on the treasury" he feels the current
administration is committing.
"Unless it's reformed, we're going to have a bloody

revolution," he said.
Although Americans might not have seen increased taxes

yet, "with spending like this, they can't help but go up,"
Lone said.
He was referring to bills like the approximately $800 billion

American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, sometimes
referred to as the federal stimulus package.
"They can't just keep printing money," he added.
One man stood in the middle of the peaceful crowd with a

sign protesting the military presence in the Middle East.
Scott and Lauren Ridolph stopped at the Capitol Wednesday

to express their support for the cause. It was their first
time in Cheyenne.
They left California about seven months ago to travel the

country by RV and try to find a place where they want to
settle down and raise a family.
They were coming through Cheyenne and wanted to show

their support for the protests that they had read about and
heard about on the radio.
"American people know when their rights are being

infringed upon," Lauren Ridolph said. "People are not
stupid."
There were several hundred protesters at the noon event,

and a second protest was scheduled for Wednesday
evening.
Many of the protesters signed two petitions that were set

up at the event, one intended for the state government and
another for the federal government.
They are both intended to let politicians know that

Americans are not happy, Lone said.
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04-16-2009 09:52 PM
duncan Loveland Colorado

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http://www.reporterherald.com/news_story.asp?ID=22627
Posts: 9017
Protest marks tax deadline
Hundreds in attendance for anti-government ‘tea party’
By Jon Pilsner
Loveland Reporter-Herald
Protesters took to a major intersection in Loveland on
Wednesday, standing on curbs, carrying signs, waving flags
and doing much more all in a protest timed to occur at the
state and federal tax deadline.
Signs read “Let us keep our money” and “I love capitalism”

and more.
People waved flags while passing drivers honked their

horns.
There even was a military fife and drum pair, marching

around in traditional 1770s clothing, helping to drum up
enthusiasm.
The protest, which stayed in the area where U.S. 287 and U.
S. 34 meet in Loveland, was peaceful for more than three
hours and congested traffic only a little more than usual
during rush hour.
Organizers estimated about 500 to 600 people attended the

“tea party,” part of a nationwide semi-organized protest of
the federal government, bailouts and high taxes.
“This is more than I expected, but I didn’t really know what

to expect,” said Tom Buchanan, event organizer. “I did get
about 100 e-mails from people who said they were bringing
their friends and their family.”
Buchanan helped organize the Loveland event through a

group on the Web site Facebook, and said it turned out to
be an excellent way to organize the protest.

“They just want to take their country back,” Buchanan said.

“I told them not to argue with anyone. These are pretty
peaceful people.”
Art Germann came out to protest what he said was the

dismantling of American governmental tradition.
Since the United States was founded, it was about

government working for the people, he said.
“In 90 days, this administration has tried to turn that

philosophy completely upside down,” Germann said.
Police said the protesters cause no major problems and

there were no protest-related incidents, other than some
concerns from adjacent business owners about traffic
circulation.
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04-16-2009 10:14 PM

duncan The COTRT was on hand for the Loveland protest.

Moderator
A former TRT member was overheard to say to Zeig in a
Registered: Jul 2003 rather smug and ugly way "How do you like the new and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado improved TRT?"
Posts: 9017
It is the same old TRT that you and yer hubby quit ten
eight years ago Dodie. I'm still here, Bob is still here, Zeig
is still here and we all control the websites and discussion
forums.
There are certain things that have changed. Morrison is

gone, Treber is gone and any future back stabbers like
these two will be dealt with in the usual manner. Get my
drift?
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04-16-2009 10:23 PM

duncan http://www.reporterherald.com/webex...teaparty041609/
Moderator
Slide show.
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04-16-2009 10:24 PM
duncan http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090416...ax_day_protests
Moderator
By SHANNON MCCAFFREY, Associated Press Writer
Registered: Jul 2003 Shannon Mccaffrey, Associated Press Writer – Thu Apr 16,
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 6:30 am ET
Posts: 9017
ATLANTA – Republicans have lost their grip on Congress
and the White House, but they claim to have American
anger over taxes and the economy on their side as tens of
thousands turned out for anti-tax "tea parties" around the
country.
Wednesday's rallies used the dreaded April 15 — the U.S.

deadline to file income taxes — as a hook to vent about
government spending and corporate bailouts in an homage
to the Boston Tea Party.

The tea parties were promoted by FreedomWorks, a

conservative nonprofit advocacy group based in
Washington and led by former Republican House Majority
Leader Dick Armey of Texas, who is now a lobbyist.
Organizers said the movement developed organically

through online social networking sites such as Facebook
and Twitter and through exposure on Fox News and
promotion from conservative pundits and bloggers.
While FreedomWorks insisted the rallies were nonpartisan,

they have been seized on by many prominent Republicans
who view them as a promising way for the party to reclaim
its momentum against President Barack Obama's
administration and other Democrats.
"All you have to be is a mildly awake Republican candidate

for office to get in front of that parade," said Grover
Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform.
Some Republicans considering 2012 presidential bids and

others with upcoming campaigns for state and
congressional offices hitched a ride with the movement.
Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich took the podium in

front of New York's City Hall while the crowd of about 2,000
chanted, "We are America!"
He urged people to tell their lawmakers to vote against big

spending or else "we're going to fire you."
As the former House speaker left after his 11-minute

speech, passers-by yelled, "2012, Newt!" and "Run for
president!" But when asked about a run, Gingrich shook his
head emphatically and said, "I'm just part of a citizen
movement."
Another possible candidate, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal,

sent an e-mail to his supporters, letting them know about
tea parties throughout the state. South Carolina Gov. Mark
Sanford attended two tea parties.
"This is critically important, what you're doing," Kansas

Republican Sen. Sam Brownback, a likely candidate for
governor in 2010, told the crowd in Topeka. "You've got to
keep it up."
Texas Gov. Rick Perry, facing re-election next year, told

protesters in Austin that officials in Washington have
abandoned the country's founding principles of limited

government. He recently rejected $550 million in federal

economic stimulus money slated to help Texas'
unemployment trust fund.
While the political implications of the rallies remain to be

seen as Obama's administration pursues its economic
recovery plan, thousands of protesters turned out in loud
and colorful ways to express their frustration with Obama
and Washington in general.
Indianapolis small business owners Ben and Bree Finegan

brought their two children to a local rally. Two-year-old
Kate held a sign from her stroller reading, "In diapers & in
debt."
The crowd in Carson City, Nev., included a 5-year-old boy

holding a sign that read, "My share of the national debt is
$36,500." Some wore cowboy hats with tea bags dangling
from them.
In Boston, a few hundred protesters gathered on the

Boston Common, a short distance from the original Tea
Party in 1773. Some dressed in Revolutionary garb and
carried signs that said "Barney Frank, Bernie Madoff: And
the Difference Is?" and "D.C.: District of Communism."
In Atlanta, thousands of people gathered outside the

Capitol, where Fox News Channel conservative pundit Sean
Hannity broadcast his show Wednesday night. One
protester's sign read: "Hey Obama you can keep the
change."
Julie Reeves, of Covington, Ga., brought her Chihuahua,

Arnie, who wore a tiny anti-IRS T-shirt. "I want the
government to get its hand the hell out of my wallet,"
Reeves said.
Duncan Philp, of Carpenter, Wyo., carried a flag in

Cheyenne reading "Don't Tread on Me" and dragged a
United Nations flag on the ground. Philp said he's a
member of the Wyoming Tyranny Response Team, a group
He said Congress ignored Americans' request not to bail out

financially troubled banks.
"Bush and Obama have done the same thing," Philp said.
"They've given out loans for money they don't have."
In Helena, Mont., protesters stomped on boxes labeled to

represent various taxes, such as income and a proposal to

tax carbon dioxide output.
"It's a stepping stone to one day being able to tax you for
the very air that you breathe," said event organizer Jim
Walker.
There were several small counter-protests, including one

that drew about a dozen people at Fountain Square in
Cincinnati. A counter-protester held a sign that read,
"Where were you when Bush was spending billions a month
'liberating' Iraq?" The anti-tax demonstration there,
meanwhile, drew about 4,000 people.
Some Democrats said the Tax Day rallies offered little

substance.
"The Republicans are going to have to do more than their

standard rhetoric about taxes in order to be successful.
They need some new ideas," said Brian Schatz, chairman of
the Hawaii Democratic Party. "It's a tired old line of attack."
___
Associated Press writers who contributed to this report

include Beth Fouhy in New York; Kelsey Abbruzzese in
Boston; Terry Kinney in Cincinnati; Seanna Adcox in
Columbia, S.C.; Kelley Shannon in Austin, Texas; Virginia
Byrne in New York; Herbert A. Sample in Honolulu; Cathy
Bussewitz in Carson City, Nev.; and Matt Joyce in
Cheyenne, Wyo.

member of the Wyoming Tyranny Response Team, a
group dedicated to the Bill of Rights.
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04-17-2009 03:24 PM
duncan Ahhh the price of fame. If any want my autograph you best
Moderator get it know before the obamaniacs kill me.

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Attachment: img_0060_jpg.jpg
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04-17-2009 03:26 PM

duncan You a bad man mister Obama. Don't steal my milk money
Moderator you bad man.

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04-22-2009 10:49 PM
duncan Robert Teesdale TRT Triator

Moderator
Teesdale was trying to make a buck off of the TRT logo and
Registered: Jul 2003 without the knowledge and consent of the owner of the TRT
Posts: 9017 name. He thought that he could pull of a coup of the TRT by
attempting to start a TRT US that would place him in total
authority of all TRT chapters. He thought wrong.
Teesdale will be placed in the number 1 postion of our new

and upcoming TRT Triator's page. In the #2 postion will be
Darren Morrison and in the #3 spot will be Triston Treber.
All three of these slobs are members of the right wing

extremist group known as the Free Republik. These are the
same people who supported Bush and bushism. They all
supported Bush "Patrito Act", his illegla invasion of Iraq and
his Homeland Gestapo.

Teesdale is of British extraction and not born here in the

USA. He never served in the military, yet supported the idea
of sending troops to Iraqi to die for the profits of companies
like Halliburton. He pretended to support the troops by
showing on up the street corner of Mulberry and College ave.
in Ft. Collins, Colorado, but saw fit to spit on any honorably
discharged veteran of the US military that was seen on the
oppiste street coner protesting Bushism. Teesdale is nothing
more than a flag waver. Teesdale is known to work with local
law enforcement, as it suits his political agenda.
He operates a company called Magonaga Industries and is

attemtping to sell TRT logo products on line and without the
knowledge of the orginator of the TRT name and its
products. He has established bogus off shore accounts with
listings having bogus 800 numbers. here is his website,
which is supect is about to be taken off line at the point he
reads these posts.
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http://www.xing.com/profile/Robert_Teesdale
Educational background; University/College University of

Phoenix, Nov 2006 -
Business Management, BS Business Management
Currently completing degree.
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He got the BS part right. A degree from the University of

Phoenix is nothing but alot of BS. The so-called University is
nothing more than clearing house for losers who couldn't cut
it in a real university. It is a private school that lives off of
government loans and in order to keep the money flowing
into this school it must mass produce degrees. At U of P one
only has to show up 50% of the time and do nothing. Much
the same with outfits like Kaplan. Simply pay them the
money and you will get a degree.
Attachment: teesdale.jpg
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vinegar." My response was "That maybe so, but flies are also attracted to
sh*t." - Duncan

04-25-2009 12:05 AM
duncan http://roadtobraj.blogspot.com/2009...s-nonsense.html
Moderator
Tea, Texas, and DHS
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Apart from all the 'tea party' crap that went on yesterday,
Posts: 9017 and the entire right wing getting their panties in a collective
knot over the idea that Homeland Security thinks that such
a thing as right-wing extremism exists (Timothy McVeigh,
anyone?), now the word 'secession' has come up in Texas.
Are these people for real?
The saddest thing about this country are the millions of

people whose beliefs are manipulated and exploited for the
political advantage of a few. This whole 'tea party' thing is
a prime example. Selling itself as some kind of self-
manifested 'grassroots' thing, in actuality it was carefully
orchestrated by FreedomWorks.
Who were at these parties, you ask? Follow me here, it's

going to get a little circular.


What on earth is the Wyoming Tyranny Response Team?

Now, there's a good question. Here's a tidbit from their
homepage:
"To demonstrate to elected officials, public servants and the

public in general, by whatever
means necessary, (emphasis added) that the Constitution
of the United States of America is the Supreme Law of the
Land. That we recognize this Supreme Law of the Land as
the Rule of Law; and that this Rule is, in its basis, not
subject to a prior precedent that would contradict its
original intent."
Okay.. once you add that clause I emphasized, you're

saying you're taking upon yourself the right to go blow
**** up and shoot people you don't think qualify according
to your definition of patriotism.
Now let's get circular. Go back to the first paragraph I

wrote:
the entire right wing getting their panties in a collective

anyone?),
and think about this group in Wyoming, which identifies

itself as part of a bigger group, which presumably also
takes upon itself this right to do whatever it feels necessary
by whatever means it deems necessary, and realize that
they are not the only right wing group out there who
believes this way.
Is it so surprising that the government might think groups

like this have the potential to erupt into violence? They're
telling you right on their own page that they're going to do
whatever, by whatever. They don't deem watching? But no,
the right is calling this 'political profiling'.
Of course, left-wing groups and those associated with them

have, historically, been kept under a close government eye.
I was told, at the time I got personally involved with the
YPSL and SPUSA, that any person who was a member of
any socialist, communist or equally left-wing group in this
country was personally listed and kept in view. I don't
doubt it and equally, I don't worry about it. So I find it
vaguely amusing that although this has been going on
virtually forever with the left, the right is now in a righteous
hissy over the idea that the government might find some of

the radical right-wing to be a potential threat.
There are many, many extreme right-wing groups in this

country that hold ideas that no normal person of any
political ideology would espouse. They promote violence
and racial, ethnic and religious hatred. They support or
commit hate crimes. They in no way represent what
America stands for, except in their own twisted views. For
the government to ignore these groups and the potential
threat they pose is idiotic. Do the rest of this country's
conservatives not know these groups exist? Are they
deliberately trying to protect them because they believe the
same things these groups do? Or are they knee-jerking to
the thought that someone the government considers 'right-
wing' could possibly do something against the country? I
tend to go with the latter.
Perhaps those who scream so loudly about this 'political

profiling' might do well to research their compatriots and
their compatriots' organizations themselves, and see what
it is the government might be wanting to keep an eye on.
Radicalism exists on both ends of the spectrum, not just on
the left-hand side, and all radicalism contains within it the
potential for violence. Homeland Security is just what it
says it is. Threats exist equally within and without. The
duty of DHS is to monitor them all.
posted by Satyavati devi dasi at 05:42
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04-26-2009 07:44 PM
duncan Duncan Philp said...

Moderator
"Duncan Philp, of Carpenter, Wyo., carried a flag in
Registered: Jul 2003 Cheyenne reading "Don't Tread on Me" and dragged a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado United Nations flag on the ground. Philp said he's a
Posts: 9017 member of the Wyoming Tyranny Response Team, a group
dedicated to the Bill of Rights."
You asked the question, "What is the Tyranny Response

Team?"
www.wyomingtrt.com
www.trtnational.com
Rather than tell you what the TRT is, I will tell you what we
are not.
We are not a Repukelican party front.
We are not 'right wing extremists'.
We are not a front for the Free Republik aka the Fascist
Republik group.
We are not Bushniks.
We do not support the illegal occupation of Iraq at the

hands of Bush or Obama.
We are none of things that you were hoping that we might

be. Please don't apply your any of your false labels to me
and our fine organization.
I can tell you what I am.
I am an individual and not an Obama drone.
I am a graduate of Colorado State University. Uh oh and

there goes that red neck label you tired to lay on me.
I am an individual who supports freedom of speech, unlike

you.
26 April, 2009 17:43

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04-26-2009 07:45 PM
duncan This little girl needs a spanking.

Moderator
And a new hair do.
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04-26-2009 07:46 PM
duncan "Apart from all the 'tea party' crap that went on yesterday,
Moderator and the entire right wing getting their panties in a collective
Registered: Jul 2003 a thing as right-wing extremism exists (Timothy McVeigh,
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado anyone?), now the word 'secession' has come up in Texas."
Posts: 9017
Free speech is crap and you support the Homeland
Gestapo. I with ya so far.
I lost you on the McVeigh thing. Does this mean that you
support what happened to the Branch Davidians in Waco,
Texas and that you support the ever fascist ATF and the
FBI? What sort of pagan lovin retro-hippie are you any way?
You're not one of those ADL/SPLC groupies are you?
"Are these people for real?"
Are you for real? You either support freedom of speech for
all or you don't support freedom of speech at all.
"The saddest thing about this country are the millions of

people whose beliefs are manipulated and exploited for the
political advantage of a few."
People like you? You are generalizing and you have just
flunked logic class little sister.
"This whole 'tea party' thing is a prime example. Selling

itself as some kind of self-manifested 'grassroots' thing, in
actuality it was carefully orchestrated by FreedomWorks."
It is a grass roots thing and guess what? Freedom can work

as long as the fed and Obama leave it alone.
"Who were at these parties, you ask? Follow me here, it's

going to get a little circular."
Independents, Libertarians, anarchists, gay rights activists,

former members of the Repukelican Party, former members
of the Dummycratic Party, and just ordinary people. None

of those Hairy Krishnas, sorry not enough you folks to go

around I guess.
"Duncan Philp, of Carpenter, Wyo., carried a flag in

dedicated to the Bill of Rights."
That's me and I am one of those anarchist types. I believe

in the sovereign right of the individual, which is something
that the UN is opposed to.
"What on earth is the Wyoming Tyranny Response Team?

Now, there's a good question. Here's a tidbit from their
homepage:"
Cutting a pasting is cheating. You flunked class again little

sister.
"To demonstrate to elected officials, public servants and the

public in general, by whatever
means necessary, (emphasis added) that the Constitution
of the United States of America is the Supreme Law of the
Land. That we recognize this Supreme Law of the Land as
the Rule of Law; and that this Rule is, in its basis, not
subject to a prior precedent that would contradict its
original intent."
"Okay.. once you add that clause I emphasized, you're

saying you're taking upon yourself the right to go blow
**** up and shoot people you don't think qualify according
to your definition of patriotism.'
I don't see the words. "Lets blow them up." I don't see
anything about advocating the initiation of violence. That
would be the realm of the left and the state. Waco
remember? The intent is of the TRT is to defend the right of
the individual from the violence of the state aka Obamaism.
It was once called Bushism, but since his is gone then we
are now required to defend our liberties from Obamaism
and Obamaniacs.
You can draw all the false conclusion you want form the
TRT's position, but the first rule in doing research is that
you must first contact the source and ask them what they
mean by what they are saying. You have flunked again little
sister. Can you afford to get another F?
The guy who wrote that which you just argued against, is

none other than Bob Glass. Who is another one of those

flaming anarchist and a graduate of a NY university.
"Now let's get circular. Go back to the first paragraph I

wrote:"
Circular logic. You get a A for this correct statement about

your own position. You say that it's so, ergo it must be so.
"the entire right wing getting their panties in a collective

anyone?),"
"and think about this group in Wyoming, which identifies

itself as part of a bigger group, which presumably also
takes upon itself this right to do whatever it feels necessary
by whatever means it deems necessary, and realize that
they are not the only right wing group out there who
believes this way."
You are jumping to the wrong conclusion. This would be

called a "straw man" argument. Two F's in logic, holy
canoley bat girl.
"Is it so surprising that the government might think groups

like this have the potential to erupt into violence? They're
telling you right on their own page that they're going to do
whatever, by whatever. They don't deem watching? But no,
the right is calling this 'political profiling'."
Waco remember. In which the state erupted into violence

and did what ever it pleased. Do you need some more
examples? When has the TRT ever erupted into violence in
since its inception ten years ago? Can you site a source?
Are you going to play the ADL game and lie about our
members by claiming that we are all anti-semetic? Bob
Glass remember? The Jews for Preservation of Firearms
Ownership remember? You left these things out of your
research why?
"Of course, left-wing groups and those associated with

them have, historically, been kept under a close
government eye.'
Have they? The fed and Obama work with left wing
extremists like the ADL and the SPLC to destroy their
political opposition thru the extensive use of out right lies.
One of the SPLC's so-called leading experts on the militia
movement would be Chip Berlet, former member of the

Students for a Democratic Society aka a violent left wing

extremist organization of the 1970's. You didn't do your
home work did you? I suggest that you google.com Morris
Dees to see who was the originator of 'political profiling'
and guilty of applying false labels on people, whom he
disagrees with politically.
"I was told, at the time I got personally involved with the
YPSL and SPUSA, that any person who was a member of
any socialist, communist or equally left-wing group in this
country was personally listed and kept in view."
You were merely told? Geez Louweez how did you get thru
college? When you posted your bibliography did you post
this.
1. I was told by a close friend that ..... .
"I don't doubt it and equally, I don't worry about it."
I'm sure a good left wing statist like you wouldn't worry
about it.
So I find it vaguely amusing that although this has been

going on virtually forever with the left, the right is now in a
righteous hissy over the idea that the government might
find some of the radical right-wing to be a potential threat."
The fed never monitored the right? Never? You better do

some more home work little sister.
"There are many, many extreme right-wing groups in this

country that hold ideas that no normal person of any
political ideology would espouse."
List them all please and do not use any more

generalizations.
"They promote violence and racial, ethnic and religious

hatred. They support or commit hate crimes."
You are regurgitating the party line and the lies of the
SPLC. Site your source and go directly to the source to ask
them what the think and feel.
"They in no way represent what America stands for, except

in their own twisted views."
Ad-hom attack. Twisted by your perverted standards?
"For the government to ignore these groups and the

potential threat they pose is idiotic."
So you do support the police state and the persecution of

those whom you disagree with. I gotcha.
"Do the rest of this country's conservatives not know these

groups exist?"
Yes, many of them were at the event denouncing

obamaism.
"Are they deliberately trying to protect them because they

believe the same things these groups do?"
Or rather protecting free speech from people like you and

the SPLC.
"Or are they knee-jerking to the thought that someone the

government considers 'right-wing' could possibly do
something against the country? I tend to go with the latter."
Should I be shocked that you went with the latter?
"Perhaps those who scream so loudly about this 'political

profiling' might do well to research their compatriots and
their compatriots' organizations themselves, and see what
it is the government might be wanting to keep an eye on."
Why of course they should use you as a source of

information or how about the ever incredible Morris Dees?
Another knee-jerker who can't site his sources and never
uses a bibliography in his writings.
"Radicalism exists on both ends of the spectrum, not just

on the left-hand side, and all radicalism contains within it
the potential for violence. Homeland Security is just what it
says it is. Threats exist equally within and without. The
duty of DHS is to monitor them all."
Show me this violence you speak of? When and were and
by whom. No source and no reference makes for a very
incredible position. The DHS is an an Obamanation. It is a
federal joke and it always has been since its inception
under herr Bush. It is fun to watch you leftist now
supporting the DHS, were as before you all found it
appalling.
26 April, 2009 18:41
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04-26-2009 08:45 PM
duncan Maybe we should hook her up with Teesdale, dumb amd

Moderator dumber.
Registered: Jul 2003 __________________

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "I would rather die on my feet fighting rather than live to grovel on my
Posts: 9017 knees." -General Zapata


04-26-2009 08:52 PM
duncan Obama targets tea bags at town hall

Moderator By ALEXANDER BURNS | 4/29/09 12:25 PM EDT Updated:
4/29/09 2:57 PM EDT
Registered: Jul 2003 Text Size:
Posts: 9017 At his 100th-day town hall meeting in St. Louis Wednesday,
President Barack Obama took direct aim at the anti-tax “tea
party” demonstrations that have cropped up over the last
month and took a veiled shot at the Fox News Channel, the
cable news network closely associated with the protests.
Asked about fiscal discipline and entitlements reform,

Obama seemed to be repressing a smile as he jabbed
critics of his spending plans.
"Those of you who are watching certain news channels on

which I'm not very popular, and you see folks waving tea
bags around, Obama said, “let me just remind them that I
am happy to have a serious conversation about how we are
going to cut our health care costs down over the long term,
how we are going to stabilize Social Security.”
“But,” Obama continued, “let's not play games and pretend

that the reason [for the deficit] is because of the Recovery
Act."
It’s the president’s most direct response so far to the

protests that flared up in some locations around tax day, on
April 15.
In his briefing that day, White House Press Secretary

Robert Gibbs told reporters: “I don't know if there's a
specific response to protests..I think you saw the president
today talk about as candidate Obama promising to bring a
tax cut to 95 percent of working families in America, and as
president delivering that tax cut.”
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04-30-2009 09:38 PM
duncan Next Tea Party is July Fourth, coming to your town.

Moderator
Bring your own guns.
Posts: 9017 "I would rather die on my feet fighting rather than live to grovel on my

05-12-2009 06:43 PM

duncan More tea parties on tap; Organizers meet in Casper

Moderator Story Tools

Posts: 9017 By TOM MORTON
Star-Tribune staff writer
Sunday, June 7, 2009 2:05 AM MDT
A half-dozen community organizers gathered in Casper on

Saturday to order the next round of "tea parties" this
summer calling attention to the growth of the federal
government.
"Each group has its own identity, focus," said David Kellett,
who organized the tea -- "taxed enough already" -- party in
Powell on April 15.
While they want to shun any top-down leadership, the

representatives from six cities -- Casper, Powell, Lovell,
Sheridan, Cheyenne and Riverton -- want to improve their
communication and share resources, Kellett said.
Former Casper legislator Marvin Emrich, representing the

Wyoming Family Coalition, said his group is considering
starting a ballot initiative -- identical to the recent California
Proposition 8 -- to add language to existing law stating,
"only a marriage between a man and woman is valid in this
state."
The coalition has not decided when it wants to launch this

petition drive, Emrich said.
He encouraged the approximately 30 people meeting in the

Crawford Room at the Natrona County Public Library to
consider the coalition's goals that mesh with those
sponsoring the tea parties.
"I do not see them as a bunch of nuts and kooks because I

was among them," Emrich said.
Brenda Manning of the Wyoming 9/12 Project was among

the organizers of the April 15 tea party in Casper, which
attracted more than 1,000 participants.
"Our mission is to educate people on current legislation,

state and federal," Manning said.
"We want our country back; we're losing our constitutional

heritage," she said.
The Wyoming 9/12 Project will sponsor a picnic at Bear

Trap Meadow on Casper Mountain on Saturday as part of a
Flag Day celebration, Manning added.
Kristy Tyrney of Sheridan was an organizer of the tea party

in April and will help organize one a week after the July
Fourth holiday to coincide with the Sheridan rodeo, she said.
Tyrney wants to promote family-friendly events because

some people don't like to participate in gatherings
perceived largely as protests, she said.
Representatives of the April 15 tea party in Cheyenne plan

a "Cowboy Tea Party" at the Capitol from noon to 5 p.m.
July 4.
"The whole purpose is to pursue state sovereignty," said

organizer Lisa Ray. "The federal government is out of
control."
However, what that means with specific issues ranging

from civil rights to monetary policy to interpreting the
Constitution remains to be seen, Ray said.
"The issues, we'll sort out later," she said.
Reach Tom Morton at (307) 266-0592, or at tom.

morton@trib.com. Read his blog at tribtown.trib.com/
TomMorton/blog.
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06-08-2009 06:48 PM
duncan Copscum along the front range have been ordered to

Moderator infiltrate these Tea Party groups and destroy them at any
cost.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Any copscum attempting to do so will be ID and your
Posts: 9017 personal info will be palced on this website.
Lets rock and roll porkers.
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06-08-2009 06:49 PM

duncan http://www.miamiherald.com/news/col...ry/1176927.html
Moderator
Healthcare fury: Any answers amid the noise?
Registered: Jul 2003 By BETH REINHARD
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado breinhard@MiamiHerald.com
Posts: 9017
Conjuring the ghosts of the 2000 presidential election,
White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs this week
compared the protesters crashing town hall meetings on
healthcare around the country to the ``Brooks Brothers
Brigade in Florida.''
Gibbs was referring to the loafer-wearing Republican

operatives who stormed the vote recount in Miami-Dade.
Not exactly a populist uprising.
But the truth about the recent healthcare protests -- as in

most highly charged political debates -- lies somewhere in
the middle, in between the Democratic account of angry
mobs orchestrated by special interest groups and the
Republican portrayal of spontaneous grassroots unrest.
Take Stan Bloom, a 67-year-old Navy veteran who was

among 100 people who jammed the Lighthouse Point public
library on Wednesday during what was scheduled to be
routine office hours for the staff of U.S. Rep. Ron Klein.
Bloom is no Brooks Brothers model. He wore his only pair

of jeans, flip flops and a ``Tyranny Response Team'' T-shirt
he got off a website laden with anti-government conspiracy
theories.
Bloom retired in Palm Beach County after running a small

construction company in west Texas. He heard about the
protest from Klein's Republican campaign rival, Allen West,
who circulated an e-mail that said the congressman was
hosting a town hall meeting, even though he wasn't.
Bloom is a Republican and West supporter, but says, `Ì

was there as an American.'' He wants to make sure that
proposed healthcare reforms don't interfere with his
veteran's benefits, but he has other worries.
`Ì have a concern that the country is changing, getting

farther away from the Constitution, with the federal
government getting too big,'' he said.
Yes, the country is changing, and some people are scared

to death. Others at the Lighthouse Point rally challenged

the legitimacy of President Barack Obama, the wisdom of

``cap-and-trade'' policies, and American policy toward
Iran. At an even more uproarious town hall meeting in
Tampa Thursday that drew 1,500 people, there were
catcalls of ``Forty million illegals!''
It's the same fury that was on display during the anti-tax
``tea parties'' in April. ``Hear our voice!'' chanted
protestors banging on the door of the Tampa meeting.
Unfortunately, it's hard to hear over all the noise. U.S. Rep.
Kathy Castor was barely audible above the shouting and
pushing and shoving in Tampa. Klein and Debbie
Wasserman Schultz of Weston are holding ``tele-town hall''
meetings over the phone during the August recess --
something they could do any time from Washington --
which allow them to avoid potentially embarrassing
confrontations sure to be posted on the Internet.
Town hall meetings sure have changed. Now, talking points

and tactics are distributed online. Video cameras are as
abundant as good old-fashioned righteous indignation.
Police are on call.
Brace yourself for more. Republican Ed Lynch, who is

running against Democratic Rep. Robert Wexler, is
encouraging supporters to show up at an Aug. 20 town hall
meeting on healthcare reform in Delray Beach. ``We must
tell our representative with one loud voice [that we] will not
stand by and watch this happen!'' says Lynch's campaign
manager in an e-mail.
Wexler's office says he doesn't plan to pull out of the event.
``We've gotten a lot of calls from seniors who are

frightened about what will happen to them, and he sees
this as an opportunity to lay out the facts,'' said
spokeswoman Ashley Mushnick. ``We're hoping for a civil
debate. Of course there will be some security there.''
Beth Reinhard is the political writer for The Miami Herald.
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09-02-2009 06:47 PM
duncan "Bloom is no Brooks Brothers model. He wore his only pair

Moderator of jeans, flip flops and a ``Tyranny Response Team'' T-shirt
he got off a website laden with anti-government conspiracy
Registered: Jul 2003 theories."
Posts: 9017 Why is Beth lying? Let me ask the bitch.
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duncan "Bloom is a Republican and West supporter, but says, `Ì was there as
Moderator an American.'' He wants to make sure that proposed healthcare
reforms don't interfere with his veteran's benefits, but he has other
Registered: Jul 2003 worries."
Posts: 9017 I see no quote in regards to his so-called issue about obamacare
messing with his VA care and why is this I wonder? Is this leftist slob of
a news reporter trying to make a point? Is she trying to point out
Bloom's double standard? We can't tell because the story is so
convoluted and lacks any sort of detail or evidence. Evidence like which
web site did Bloom get his TRT t-shirt from. It wasn't the Wyoming TRT
website and it wasn't the TRT National/Colorado TRT website and it
wasn't the DC TRT website so which one was it? It could be the Alex
Jones website and Alex Jones is NOT the TRT and he does not have the
permission of the TRT use our logo, but since the dumb bitch in
question didn't post a source for her incredible cliam then of course we
have no way of knowing what the **** she it talking about.

If the VA is a model of socialised medicine then I suggest that this

bitch go to a VA hosptial and check out the awful ways of socialized
medicine. If she wants to use the VA then she can simply join the
military get an honorable discharge and then she can use the VA
medical center just like Bloom is doing.
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Minnich, C.S.A.

09-03-2009 04:33 PM
duncan Three more TRT chapters on line.

Moderator
Florida - http://tyrannyresponse.org/home.htm
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado New Mexico - http://trt-nm.ning.com/
Posts: 9017
New York - http://www.meetup.com/tyranny-response-team/
The Flordia chapter looks to be more a copwatch group. Right on.
The New York chapter appears to be copsucker group and this will
never f8cking happen under my watch.
The New Mexcio groups is an anarcho-captialist group. Two out three

ain't bad.
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Minnich, C.S.A.

09-13-2009 08:34 PM
duncan The Tea Party Express came through Cheyenne today and they brought
Moderator "Joe the Plumber" with them.
Registered: Jul 2003 I met this black dude who was selling small Gadsen flags and he was
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado signing his name to them.He told me that left wing nazi's had attacked
Posts: 9017 him in Missouri for expressing his right to free speech. Union thugs
beat him up. Mombo's boys with the SEIU went violent on people. To
bad I missed it all.
http://www.infowars.com/clash-at-he...union-thuggery/
"The clash resulted in a black conservative, who was handing out

Gadsden flags featuring the “Don’t Tread On Me” slogan, to be injured
by another black man who “used a racial slur against him before the
attack.”
Mombo's Brown Shirts are on the loose.
http://www.salon.com/politics/war_r...alls/index.html
i "At one, a forum on aging held in St. Louis County by Rep. Russ
Carnahan, D-Mo., six people -- one of them a reporter -- were
arrested. Two people, one conservative and one staffer with the
Service Employees International Union, were reportedly sent to the
hospital with minor injuries sustained during scuffles at the event."
i "Kenneth Gladney, a 38-year-old conservative activist from St. Louis,

said he was attacked by some of those arrested as he handed out
yellow flags with “Don’t tread on me” printed on them. He spoke to the
Post-Dispatch from the emergency room of the St. John’s Mercy
Medical Center, where he said he was waiting to be treated for injuries
to his knee, back, elbow, shoulder and face that he suffered in the
attack. Gladney, who is black, said one of his attackers, also a black
man, used a racial slur against him before the attack started."
i “It just seems there’s no freedom of speech without being attacked,”

he said."
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11-03-2009 10:01 PM
duncan http://www.realclearpolitics.com/ar...tory_97836.html
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Have You Heard Ken Gladney's Story?
Registered: Jul 2003 By Andrew Breitbart
Posts: 9017 The first round of protests against the Obama administration's chaotic
and rapid-fire expansion of government came in the form of grass-
roots "tea parties," which were predictably met with scorn by the
Democrat-Media Complex (the natural coalition of the Democratic Party
and the mainstream media.)
CNN's Anderson Cooper and MSNBC's Keith Olbermann and Rachel

Maddow led the charge, declaring concerned Americans "tea baggers,"
an allusion to an absurd sexual fetish beneath describing in a family
newspaper. This attack on hundreds of thousands of people practicing
their constitutional right to protest speaks volumes not just about the
hardened sociopolitical leanings of America's journalistic elite, but
about the brazenness with which they are now wielding their
unprofessionalism.
Last week on the grounds of the once-venerated White House, Senate

Majority Whip Richard J. Durbin, Illinois Democrat, taking his cues from
his allies in the media, referred to last week's health care town-hall
protesters as "tea baggers."
How far we have fallen.
Stepping up the rhetoric from mockery to pure hatred, and absent any
evidence, Mr. Olbermann has called the president's public protesters
"worse than racists." Political activist and comedianJaneane Garofalo
colored them "racist rednecks who hate blacks." And at the somewhat
higher end of the food chain, liberal economist Paul Krugman in the
New York Times wrote last week that they were motivated by "cultural
and racial fear."

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, who is having a hard time these days
explaining the president's Israel policy to her Jewish constituents,
blatantly lied and said that the protesters were wielding "swastikas and
symbols like that."
Supporters of the president understand what is going on. So do his

detractors.
The mainstream media and the Democratic Party are working in

concert to make sure that what happened to President Bush --
sustained organized grass-roots protests ("mobs," if you will),
relentless media criticism and permanent opposition-party
obstructionism -- does not happen to their guy. Complicating matters,
the media's fate is directly tied to the president's. Without them,
Barack Obama would still be a backbencher from Illinois.
But the mockery. The recklessness. Unsupportable libel isn't working.

The tea parties and, now, the health care protests at town-hall
meetings have only gotten bigger and stronger. The anti-big-
government movement is pure. Its participants represent something
close to what used to be considered normative in this country.
Tea Party attendees and health care town-hall protesters share the
common belief that the extravagant spending of President Obama and
the Democratic Party -- absent any checks and balances -- will
eventually lead more people into government dependency, higher
taxes and, perhaps, our country's financial ruin. These are legitimate
fears felt by millions of Americans.
That's why the media and the Democratic Party are scared and are
throwing outrageous and hateful accusations at everyday Americans --
hoping that people stay home out of fear.
I've attended two tea parties so far. One was in Santa Ana, Calif., on
April 15, where my 81-year-old father-in-law, the actor Orson Bean,
joined fellow actor Gary Graham and newly naturalized American
citizen Ian Mitchell, from the Scottish '70s music sensation, the Bay
City Rollers.
I saw no "tea bagging." Blacks and Hispanics carried signs along with
the white majority. But there was a sketchy dog dressed in a red, white
and blue sweater.
Make of that what you will, Mr. Olbermann.
Last week, a black gentleman named Kenneth Gladney went to a town-

hall meeting hosted by Rep. Russ Carnahan, Missouri Democrat. While
passing out "Don't Tread on Me" flags, he was viciously attacked by
Service Employees International Union (SEIU) members. One called
him a "nigger."
These union thugs were directed by the White House to go to the

protests and "punch back twice as hard." And they did.
While the attack was captured on video and is available on YouTube,

Mr. Gladney's horrifying story is absent from MSNBC's 24/7 media

cycle. Mr. Krugman has yet to write about it. And Mr. Cooper has yet to
condemn the attack.
On Sept. 12, I will be attending a tea party in Quincy, Ill., joining

Instapundit professor Glenn Reynolds, Gateway Pundit's Jim Hoft, and
Tucker Carlson.
With the Democratic Party in control of all branches of government and

the Fourth Estate acting as the Democratic Party's protector, the tea
party movement is the closest thing America has to checks and
balances.
If that isn't enough to motivate you, perhaps showing your solidarity

with Kenneth Gladney, a fellow patriot, is.
Andrew Breitbart is the founder of the news Web site breitbart.com and
is co-author of "Hollywood Interrupted: Insanity Chic in Babylon - the
Case Against Celebrity."
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11-05-2009 02:56 PM

duncan Too much

Moderator
The left wing fascist love the copscum and the copscum are the neo-
Registered: Jul 2003 Nazi's of today.
Posts: 9017
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200911050024
Why do Glenn Beck and BigGovernment hate Missouri law enforcement?

November 05, 2009 12:49 pm ET by Eric Boehlert
And why are Beck and BigGovernment, as well as the rest of the right-
wing brigade, now clearly suggesting that Missouri law enforcement
officials are covering up a crime? The fact-free crowd is impugning the
integrity of Missouri prosecutors because they have the nerve to not go
along with the right-wing fantasy that SEIU "thugs" savagely beat a man
(nearly to death, according to some breathless reports) outside of a
health care town hall forum in August. And yes, Andrew Breitbart
claimed the thugs were sent directly from the White House.
That's a pretty serious accusation to make against the defenders of the

law. So on what basis do Beck and BigGovernment make the claim?
What facts do they present to suggest that Missouri law enforcement is
covering up a crime? Um, did I mention it's Glenn Beck and
BigGovernment?
Answer: Zero facts.
The right-wing's beloved tale of Kenneth Gladney has been dubious from
the get-go. (See here, here, here, here, and here.) But now that it's
been nearly three months and no formal charges have been filed in a
case that was supposed to be an open-and-shut case of a brutal beating
(it was caught on tape!), Beck and company have fallen back to their
predictable Plan B: conspiracy theory!! i.e. The cops are in on it, too!!
"Why haven't charges been filed?" Beck demanded this week. "I would
like to know what game is being played."
Specifically, the far-right, anti-law enforcement crowd suggests that

because Buffy Wicks was part of Barack Obama's campaign in Missouri,
and because Buffy Wicks now works in the White House, and because
Buffy Wicks is kinda/sorta associated with the NEA, and because the
Obama Missouri campaign once had a press conference where law
enforcement officials were supposedly in attendance (Beck's still
searching for the tape), that means Missouri law enforcement is now
covering up the Gladney beating as a favor to Buffy Wicks. (Talk about a
Superwoman!)
Conspiracy stenographer Matthew Vadum types up the nonsense for

David Horowitz's Newsreal.
For the record, I have no idea if any charges will ever be filed. It's
completely possible law enforcement authorities will ignore Gladney's
rather odd tale for the simple reason that no provable crime was
committed. But even if charges are filed some day, that means SEIU
defendants will, of course, have a chance to clear their names,

regardless of how Glenn Beck and BigGovernment wished our justice

system worked.
What I do know is that the right-wing's selfish, and often comical,

attempt to turn Kenneth Gladney into is political martyr remains a sad
spectacle to watch.
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11-05-2009 03:16 PM
duncan The Wyoming TRT on Tax Day

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duncan TRT vs the Tax Man

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Registered: Jul 2003 Wyoming Tyranny Response Team

Posts: 9017 April 12, 2010
TRT IN ACTION APRIL 10, 2010 PINE BLUFFS
The Wyoming Chapter of the Tyranny Response Team successfully

resisted the tyranny of the Wyoming Department of Revenue at the
Pine Bluffs Sportsman’s Club semi-annual Gun Show on Saturday.
An agent of DOR came into the Show without paying admission, and
out of the 100 tables, made a beeline to the TRT table and attempted
to shove tax papers into Duncan Philp's hands.
After being told that the TRT is a political group and not a business,
and only took donations, the tax man refused to leave the table but
continued to harass Duncan .
At which point the other TRT member, Francis O’Lally, jumped into the
fray and asked the blackshirted fascist where his Nazi armband was
and suggested he go find some Jews to push into a gas chamber.
After being told, repeatedly, that 1) the TRT is not a business and 2) to
move along, the tax thug finally moved along.
Other vendors, heartened by the TRT Resistance to tax tyranny, threw

his tax papers into the trash in front of him, and the tax thug left
shortly.
We do not know the name of the tax thug, the papers he was handing
out were signed by slime Scott Scheffey, Laramie County Field Office in
Cheyenne.
Typically gun shows are attended by gun dealers with store fronts and
private parties selling used merchandise, much like a garage sales. The
division is about 50-50 between private parties and businesses.
The lesson of the American Revolution is that taxes are a gift from the
people, to be granted when government is doing its job, and withheld
when it oversteps its bounds.

There should not be ANY sales tax in Wyoming, the Saudi Arabia of the
Western Hemisphere. We should get a fat check back from the state,
as do Alaskan residents, from Mineral Royalties on our coal, oil and
natural gas.
There is no obligation of citizens to be tax collectors for government,

and no moral responsibility to support a government which seeks to
curtail our liberty and tax us to death to provide for the aristocracy.
That the tax thug made a beeline to the TRT table at the gun show,
would seem to make his action a premeditated and deliberate attack
on the TRT and what it stands for, and that is the Bill of Rights and the
Constitution.
We do not know the name of the tax thug and would like to. If he had
conducted himself professionally, in all likelyhood, there would have
been no confrontation. Most likely he is a recent hire trying to make his
mark by bluff and huff.
He was a white male, 45-50 years of age, short grey hair, steel rimmed
glasses, beady eyes, 260 pounds, 5’ 5” with a chip on his shoulder. He
was wearing his blackshirt (no armband), flashed a badge and carried
a walkie talkie. Anyone who can identify this creep, please let us know.
We sold more T shirts at this gun show, passed out DVD’s, and
exercised our First Amendment free speech rights. That’s what the TRT
stands for, to resist tyranny in all its forms.
As the black curtain of fascism descends upon our country, we must all
decide if we are going to be part of the Resistance or one of the
Collaborators with Tyranny.
“I know not what course others may take, as for me
Give me Liberty or give me Death”
Patrick Henry, 1776
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duncan Uncle Dunkie's book list

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"Culture of Corruption" by Michelle Malkin blows the lid

Registered: Jul 2003 off of Obamama's cover. Michelle has her own website
Posts: 9017 and she live here in Colorado.
http://michellemalkin.com/
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09-13-2009 09:05 PM

duncan "Catasrophe" by Dick Morris, can also be had an B&N.

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Obamama took campaign money from AIG, so much for
Registered: Jul 2003 change and trasperancy in government.
Posts: 9017 And people wonder why it is that I'm an anarchist.
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09-17-2009 07:28 PM
duncan "Liberty and Tyranny" by Mark Levin, he argues that

Moderator obamaism is just Tyranny under a new name.
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09-17-2009 07:35 PM
duncan "Revolution: A Manifesto" and "End the Fed' - Ron Paul

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10-03-2009 11:59 PM

duncan When I post a book to read that means I've just read
Moderator and this also means that the copscum who are
montioring my every post are ordered to get the same
Registered: Jul 2003 copy and read what ever it is that I'm reading.
Posts: 9017 I don't do prono, sorry copscum, no jerking off on the
job for you. The stuff I read must be giving these slobs a
headache. I doubt if any of them can even grasp the
abstract concepts that Paul has to offer.
My next text shall be "Atlas Shrugged" by Ayn Rand.

Books written by Rand have been going up, up, up in
sales for over a year now. This text will drive the
copscum nuts.
Here's another one for ya "Econmics in one lesson"

Henry Hazlitt.
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10-05-2009 04:54 PM

duncan "A Savage Factory", Robert Dewar.

Moderator
This book reveals the reason why the big three are going
Registered: Jul 2003 down, incompetence, bad management, treating people
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado like ****, lying their collective a$$es off and those over
Posts: 9017 paid union slobs.
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10-25-2009 06:29 PM
duncan "Left to Die; The Tragedy of the USS Juneau" by Dan

Moderator Kurzman.
Registered: Jul 2003 One the USN dirty little secrets. The USS Juneau is the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado very same ship in which the five Sullivan brothers died
Posts: 9017 during the battle for Guadalcanal.
Although the ship went down with heavy loss of life,

more than 100 sailors had survived the sinking. They
were left to fend for themselves in the open ocean for
eight days before rescue aircraft belatedly arrived. While
awaiting rescue, all but 10 died from the elements and
shark attacks, including the five Sullivan brothers. Two

of the brothers survived the sinking, only to die during

the first days in the water, and two presumably went
down with the ship. Some reports indicate the fifth
brother also survived the sinking, but disappeared
during the first day in the water. [1]
The Sole Survivor Policy describes a set of regulations in

the US military that are designed to protect members of
a family from the draft or combat duty if they have
already lost family members in military service. This
does not protect children without siblings or those who
have already had an immediate family member killed in
the line of duty. It furthermore does not apply strictly to
the sole surviving son, but to all surviving sons. The
need for the regulations first caught public attention
after the five Sullivan brothers were all killed when the
USS Juneau (CL-52) was sunk during World War II.
Since then, each branch of the military has made its own
policies with regard to separating immediate family
members. A notable instance of the Sole Survivor Policy
is the case of the Niland Brothers, where it was believed
that all but one of them were killed in action. It was later
discovered that the eldest brother, Technical Sergeant
Edward Niland, of the US Army Air Forces, had been held
in a POW camp in Burma.
The movie "Saving Private Ryan" was based on a true

story. Being an only child will not spare you from any
future war draft.
The Juneau had a crew of nearly 700 men and only ten
surivived.
Of the survivors, Frank Holmgren is the last living today.

The 85-year-old Eatontown resident vividly remembers
the attack, the explosion that hurled him into the air
when the ship was slammed with the second Japanese
torpedo in less than 12 hours.
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10-25-2009 06:32 PM
Night Raven Good idea, Duncan!

Senior Member
quote:
When I post a book to read that means I've

just read and this also means that the
copscum who are montioring my every post
are ordered to get the same copy and read
what ever it is that I'm reading.
Registered: May 2008
Location: I don't do prono, sorry copscum, no jerking
Posts: 4812
off on the job for you. The stuff I read must
be giving these slobs a headache. I doubt if
any of them can even grasp the abstract
concepts that Paul has to offer.
My next text shall be "Atlas Shrugged" by

Ayn Rand. Books written by Rand have been
going up, up, up in sales for over a year
now. This text will drive the copscum nuts.
Good idea, Duncan! I can't help but conjure up images

of the copscum trying to read books like these, though--
frustrated because there are no pictures, turning them
upside down, around and around, licking the covers,
asking each other what the big words like "the" and

"and" mean...LOL
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"We have become a Nazi monster in the eyes of the
whole world -- a nation of bullies and bastards who
would rather kill than live peacefully. We are not just
whores for power and oil, but killer whores with hate and
fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how
history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just
whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you."
--Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003)
"Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next

thing society knew, it had a cop problem."
--Tom Robbins
10-26-2009 10:36 AM
liberranter Re: Good idea, Duncan!

Super Moderator
quote:
Originally posted by Night Raven
Good idea, Duncan! I can't help but

conjure up images of the copscum
trying to read books like these,
though--frustrated because there
are no pictures, turning them upside
Registered: Jun 2005 down, around and around, licking
Location: Tucson, AZ the covers, asking each other what
Posts: 5865 the big words like "the" and "and"
mean...LOL

And of course they're too proud to ask anyone to

read to them (not that it would do any good anyway,
because no one with whom copscum associate can
read either).
Thanks, Duncan, for the background on the USS

Juneau. While I knew that the Juneau was famous
for being the ship aboard which the Sullivan brothers
served, I was unaware that its survivors suffered a
fate that was a dress rehearsal for that suffered by
the crew of the USS Indianapolis two years later,
one of the most horrifying and shameful of the
Navy's many "filthy little secrets."
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10-26-2009 03:50 PM

duncan Kurzman did write a book about the USS Indianapolis. I

Moderator will try to locate it and read it. He also wrote a book
about the Warsaw Ghetto uprising.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Eventually I shall be reading for the second time the
Posts: 9017 various writtings of people like Locke, Bastiat, Baukunin,
Spooner ..... .
"The Law" by Bastiat is short and sweet and even the

copscum can understand what the word "plunder"
means. Bastiast is not talking about private burglary, but
rather state coerced theft of wealth i.e taxation.
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10-26-2009 06:26 PM

sleevelead quote:
Senior Member
Registered: Dec 2006
Location: Eventually I shall be reading for the
Posts: 146 second time the various writtings of
people like Locke, Bastiat, Baukunin,
Spooner ..... .
"The Law" by Bastiat is short and sweet

and even the copscum can understand
what the word "plunder" means.
Bastiast is not talking about private
burglary, but rather state coerced theft
of wealth i.e taxation.
Another Classic is "Our Enemy, the State"

by Albert Jay Nock.
Many of the author's works you mentioned can be

obtained free of charge on Mises.org...
10-27-2009 10:30 PM
duncan "Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America

Moderator (Paperback)", Barbara Ehrenreich.
Registered: Jul 2003 Excellent read. Barb decided to have an experience in

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the real work a day world and worked as waitress for
Posts: 9017 "Jerry's", a maid for "Merry maids and as a subservient
conformist for Wal-mart.
Most of us know how these sort of stories end up as we

all probably worked for out fits like these and quit.
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10-31-2009 02:33 PM
duncan See No Evil: The True Story of a Ground Soldier in the

Moderator CIA's War Against Terrorism, Robert Baer.
Registered: Jul 2003 The first chapter reads like a cheap spy novel but get
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado better in subsequent chapters.
Posts: 9017
The US government is shall we say f8cked, but then
most of already know this. Baer's book lend credence to
my position of the need for the abolition of the federal
state.
Baer learns first hand of a new thing we call 'pay and

play' which is, if you want Obama and company to do
something for you then you simply bribe him. Baer
experienced this first hand when he uncovered the fact
that Komrade Klinton was taking campaign money from
Chinese communists, Russian Nationalists, Amoco,
Exxon, Mobil etc .... .
Baer is convinced that the Iranians blew up the US

embassy in Lebanon in 1982 and carried out the car
bombing murder of over 230 US Marines stationed in
Beirut in 1983.
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10-31-2009 02:41 PM
duncan Piercing the Shields of Justice: Inside the Atf (Hardcover)

Moderator ~ William J. Burgess
Registered: Jul 2003 This book received a whooping one star rating on
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Amazon. The entire book reads like a police report for
Posts: 9017 over 200 pages of boring crap like,
I woke up at 8am, took a shower, wiped my ass, went to

of work, made the coffee, no one appreciates my
effort, ..... . All motorcycle gangs are evil and I shall
save society from these evil bastards.
But you do get an insiders look into the ever incredible

ATF. The lazy ways of every f8cking skank who works for
the ATF. Padding of overtime, constant need to justify
their ever pathetic existence by creating crimes that
were not happening, the constant whining, the constant
violation of the Bill of rights and the second amendment,
etc.... .
B.J. here also lays out how closely he worked with local
copscum to steal our guns. You get another inside look
at how copscum really work or rather how they don't
work at all. This would be the only redeeming value of
the book. The one thing that really stands out after
reading this crap, is the way copscum cheat on their
wives with the office secretaries. I encourage all who are
reading this to never date a bitch who works for a cop

shop cause you gonna get VD.
You know the porkers who read my every post will be

getting a copy of this book and now they can slog
through this crap just like I had to do during our recent
Wyoming snow storm. Enjoy copscum.
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10-31-2009 03:04 PM
duncan Cops! Media vs Reality, Tony Lesce.

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A must read for every copwatcher.
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11-02-2009 05:27 PM
duncan Eichmann in Jerusalem: A Report on the Banilty of Evil,

Moderator Hannah Arendt (Penguin USA, 1994).
Registered: Jul 2003 To truly understand the mind of a cop, you must learn
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado how guys like Eichmann think.
Posts: 9017
I was only following orders.
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11-02-2009 05:32 PM

pyo1 I like the idea behind this thread, but I'd say they need a
Senior Member curveball every now and again!
Registered: May 2009 __________________

Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1565
I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find
them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too
obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that
I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
~Robert A. Heinlein
11-02-2009 06:00 PM
duncan "The New Thought Police" Tammy Bruce

Moderator
Tammy is err was a leftist who has done a right nice job
Registered: Jul 2003 of exposing the fact that the left is intellectually and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado morally bankrupt.
Posts: 9017
She dedicated an entire chapter to the ever incredible
ADL. The ADL and the copscum work together to destroy
liberty and free speech. Bruce points out that the ADL
went after Dr. Laura Schlessinger with a vengance, even
though Dr. Laura is Jewish.
Sound familar?
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11-06-2009 02:14 PM
duncan "Obama: Why Black America Should Have Doubts",

Moderator William Owens, Jr.
Registered: Jul 2003 This book has a forward from Dr. Alveda King, niece to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Dr. Martin Luther King.
Posts: 9017
Mombo does not represent views of all Black Americans.
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11-06-2009 02:19 PM

duncan "The Policeman is Your Friend and Other Lies" - Ned

Moderator Beaumont
Registered: Jul 2003 This book is a must have for every copwatcher. Ted is a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado former federal agent turned anarchist. Here is a quote
Posts: 9017 from his book.
"What kind of person wants to be a cop?" "I can offer a

short and simple answer: corrupt character" page 31
http://www.amazon.com/Policeman-You...s/
dp/1893626393
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duncan George Orwell's "Animal Farm"

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ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE
Registered: Jul 2003 MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS
Posts: 9017 The ***s think that they are more equal than the rest of
us animals.
oink oink
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11-08-2009 02:29 PM

duncan "You & The Police", Boston T. Party

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...The defendants' refusal to furnish identification --
Registered: Jul 2003 which they are entitiled to do...[in] a Terry stop...
Posts: 9017 -- U.S. v. Brown, 731 F 2d 1491, at 1494 (1984)
We must emphasize that we do not hold that a suspect

may be detained and searched merely becuase he either
refused to identify himself or refused to produce prrof of
identification.
--People v. Loudermilk, 241 Cal. Rptr. 208 (1987)
So much for the bullsh*t that copsum have been seen to

post on our forum in regards to this very issue. For you
Cheyenne porkers, this book can be had at Phoenix Book
store which located in downtown Cheyenne on Capitol
ave.
We see you slobs drive by the shop and doing squat

while the local Cheyenne street trash are vandalizing
local businesses and harassing the women. Might as well
stop in and get a book so as to make your otherwise
useless selves usefull.
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11-09-2009 01:46 PM
duncan Fahrenheit 451, Ray Bradbury

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451F refers to the temperature at which books burn.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The state seeks to have all books burned.
Posts: 9017
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11-10-2009 07:43 PM

Night Raven Good list, Duncan!

Senior Member
Good list, Duncan!
Im presently reading One Nation Under Surveillanceby

Boston T Party--quite the eye opener of a book! Much
practical advice for the citizen who dislikes local/state/
federal tax money suck-holes sniffing at his a$$.
Registered: May 2008 Will take your recommendation of You & The Police by
Location: Boston T Party, as I expect it might be as good as One
Posts: 4812 Nation...
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fear in our hearts. We are human scum, and that is how
history will judge us... No redeeming social value. Just
whores. Get out of our way, or we'll kill you."
--Dr. Hunter S. Thompson, Kingdom of Fear (2003)
"Society had a crime problem, so it hired cops. Next

thing society knew, it had a cop problem."
--Tom Robbins
11-10-2009 11:20 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
We see you slobs drive by the shop
and doing squat while the local
Cheyenne street trash are
vandalizing local businesses and
harassing the women. Might as well
sotp in and get a book so as to make
your otherwise useless selves
usefull.

Posts: 5865

Now come on, Duncan, be reasonable. You don't

really expect illiterate donut burners to patronize
book stores, do you? I can just picture one of the
high school dropouts that make up Cheyenne's Fat
Blue Line Gang trying to read even one page out of
any of the books you mention. The heat, smoke, and
flames that would spew out of their ears as a result
of cerebral overload would set the bookstore on fire!
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11-11-2009 12:51 PM
pyo1 quote:
Senior Member
Originally posted by liberranter
Registered: May 2009 Now come on, Duncan, be reasonable.
Location: Oklahoma You don't really expect illiterate donut
Posts: 1565 burners to patronize book stores, do
you? I can just picture one of the high
school dropouts that make up
Cheyenne's Fat Blue Line Gang trying to
read even one page out of any of the
books you mention. The heat, smoke,
and flames that would spew out of their

ears as a result of cerebral overload

would set the bookstore on fire!
The very subject of 451! Keeping the enemy closer is

one thing, but inviting them through the door is another!
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I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.
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11-11-2009 01:17 PM
duncan "One Nation Under Surveillance" by Boston T Party

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Just got started on this one as well.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Here is a link to Royce's website, if anyone wants any of
Posts: 9017 his books.
http://www.javelinpress.com/
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11-11-2009 06:52 PM
duncan I'm up to chapter 8 in BTP latest book.

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I've learned more about sciopathic types than I really
Registered: Jul 2003 needed to know and more about Shariar Ghalam aka
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "Jack" than I care to know. BTP could have condensed
Posts: 9017 this chapter.
I know that many of you who frequent this website live

along the Colorado front range and some you may know
Shariar, He did in fact steal a lot of money from BTP and
he also ripped off Bob Glass and probably his old girl
friend, sweet little Heidi.
Avoid Shariar at all cost and his last known location was
in and around the Boulder area.
Over 150 pages are dedicated to PC,

telecommunications and internet privacy. After reading
the book I have discovered that the FBI knew that did
not send out any email threats. There were after all out
to harass me and on one of their phony fishing
expeditions.
Attention herr Schmit, do not waste my time or yours by

making any effort to contact me as I will not bother to
respond and any further attempt on your part to
threaten my life and or to tresspass onto my property
will result in a final end to your harassment of me.
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11-13-2009 03:28 PM
duncan "No Easy Answers: The Truth Behind the Death at

Moderator Columbine", Brooks Brown and Rob Merritt
Registered: Jul 2003 I could certianly relate to this book as I am also a victim
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado of the Jeffco school district. I feel your pain brother
Posts: 9017 Brown.
Deputy Estep, the wannabe FBI guy and the same guy
whom I sued for 20K and won, gets a lenghty mention in
the book. Estep claimed that Brooks was a "domestic
terrorist" and in cahoots with Harris and Klebold.
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duncan Glenn Beck's Common Sense: The Case Against an Out-

Moderator of-Control Government, Inspired by Thomas Paine
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11-17-2009 05:55 PM
duncan The State vs. The People: The Rise of the American
Moderator Police State, Claire Wolfe and Aaron Zelman.
Registered: Jul 2003 Another must have book for every copwatcher.
Posts: 9017 Advocates of a police state believe that anything not
under control is, by definiton, out of control. pg 24
.... in matters where a citizen opposes the police, the

police are nearly always assumed to have the moral
legal high ground, even in the face of repeated
accusations of illegal force, corruption, perjury, evidence
tampering, or other abuses of liberty. pg 26
This about sums up the copscum.

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duncan DIAL 911 and DIE: The Shocking Truth about the Police
Moderator Protection Myth, Richard W. Stevens attorney at law
Registered: Jul 2003 The copscum exist only to collect a pay check from you
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the taxpayer.
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11-23-2009 06:07 PM
duncan Suggested reading for the copscum.

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"Cat in the Hat" and "Green Eggs and Ham", both by Dr.
Registered: Jul 2003 Seuss
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liberranter quote:
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Suggested reading for the copscum.
"Cat in the Hat" and "Green Eggs

and Ham", both by Dr. Seuss
Registered: Jun 2005 I dunno. Those books might be way too advanced for
that group.
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11-25-2009 07:16 PM

duncan Both have hidden political statements. Suess hated

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11-27-2009 04:44 PM
duncan Unintended Consquences by John Ross

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The very book that the ATF tried but failed to have
Registered: Jul 2003 banned. Ten years ago I would sell this book and
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Boston's Gun Bible at the gun shows and I would always
Posts: 9017 sell out.
The book has now been very hard to obtain, but can be
had still on amazon and on John's website.
http://www.john-ross.net/store.php
Reservations about buying books online? I don't blame

you. If you had read Royce's book on privacy you would
discover ways to buy books on line by private means.
Pre-paid debit cards under an alias is one way.
1. Used book stores and if they don't have it then have

them order it for you on amazon. Never give them a real

name or phone number. Just say that you will contact

them when you think the book has come in. Pay with
cash.
2. Barnes and Noble and never give them a real name, a

real addy or even a phone number. Just come back later
and pay cash.
3. Gun shows often have book dealers and if they don't

have what you want they can get it. Jesse who owns Bill
of Right Press works the Tanner shows in Denver and he
carry's most of Royce's books.
"..., and the Warsaw ghetto resistance would be a

valuable history lesson for anyone who studied it. With
less than twenty weapons, a starving band of resistors
had held off the Germany Army for twenty-seven days
and nights ..." page 88
And we can do the same for those ATF Nazi's when they
come to murderer us for our weapons.
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11-27-2009 05:00 PM
duncan "The True Believer; Thoughts on the Nature of Mass

Moderator Movements", Eric Hoffer
Registered: Jul 2003 A good read if you want to understand the mind of an
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado obama maniac.
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11-30-2009 03:01 PM
duncan " "On a Winchester Model 63, though, the sear has an
Moderator egg-shaped hole in it that lets it rock back and forth,
under spring tension on its pin" He pointed with the
Registered: Jul 2003 blade of the screw driver to the parts he had described.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "If the gun gets really dirty and that hole gets clogged
Posts: 9017
up," or if you stick a papermatch in the hole and break it
off he added mentally, "the sear will stay down when
you pull the trigger. That can happen to most
semiauto .22's, and usually the hammer follows the bolt
down on the second cartridge and the gun misfires after
the first shot." " page 142 U.C.
Oh my a hidden guide on how to make a simple .22

semiauto into a full auto weapon. But of we would never

do such a thing now would we boys and girls?
I had no idea that one could purchase .22 tracer rounds

and that they make .22 shorts in which the bullets are
made of lead dust and can desinegrate on impact, thus
leaving no trace of what type of round was used. And of
course none of would ever want to own this sort of stuff
now would we?
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12-01-2009 05:29 PM
duncan UC is a very good book. Charles Schumer is found dead

Moderator in his apartment with a dildo shoved up his ass. 84 dead
ATF pukes all killed by one man.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Good stuff Maynard. Do you think that scumbag
Posts: 9017 Schumer or the fed shed one tear for those 83 Branch
Davidians that they had murdered? How about Sam and
Vicki Weaver?
The ATF hates this book because it makes a major

mention of the Warsaw ghetto uprising and those few
who used a gun to kill Nazi's and because the book is
backed by the JPFO. These ATF goons are all anti-
semetic.

Henry Bowman lives !!!!!!
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12-09-2009 03:08 PM
duncan Know your enemy

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The Neo- Nazi is your enemy if you are not one of them.
Registered: Jul 2003 These scumbags go under varios names. What ever
Posts: 9017 name they use or what ever they pretend to be, their
conversation always ends up with "It's a jew conspiracy".
Know your enemy by reading their second bible. The

Mormons have their "Book of Mormons", The Seventh
Day Adventist's have their writtings dne by Ellen White
and these scumbags with the Identity church have "The
Turner Diaries" as their second bible.
"The Turner Diaries is a novel written in 1978 by William

Luther Pierce (former leader of the white Nationalist
organization National Alliance) under the pseudonym
"Andrew Macdonald".[1] The Turner Diaries depicts a
violent revolution in the United States which leads to the
overthrow of the United States federal government,

nuclear war, and, ultimately, to the extermination of all

Jews and non-whites.[2] The book was called "explicitly
racist and anti-Semitic" by the New York Times and has
been labeled the "bible of the racist right" by the Federal
Bureau of Investigation."
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duncan "Give a Boy a Gun; A true story of a law and disorder in the American
Moderator West" Jack Olsen
Registered: Jul 2003 The story is about Claude Dallas and how he defended his life from two
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado fascist Ranger Ricks. Their dead and he's still alive. Pouge was a P*g who
Posts: 9017 thought he could out draw old Claude, he thought wrong.
This book fits nicely with the Ross book. For when you push innocent
people to far they will fight back.
Claude Dallas lives !!!!!!
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12-09-2009 03:20 PM
duncan Corcoran, James: Bitter Harvest (1990)

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This book would be about the murder of Gordon Kahl at the hands of the
Registered: Jul 2003 FBI This is the book that WAS NOT written by copscum. That would be
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado another book and don't waste your time om cop crap.
Posts: 9017
Raised on a North Dakota farm[2], Kahl was a highly decorated turret
gunner during World War II.[3] After the war, "he had a 400-acre (1.6
km2) farm near Heaton, Wells County, North Dakota[4], [but] bounced
around the Texas oilfields in later life as a mechanic and general
worker."[2]
Not only was he a highly decorated veteran of WWII he was in fact the
second most decorated veteran of WWII, a trueism that the copscum do
not want anyone to know about. If anyone like me should dare to speak
well of Kahl they shall be deemed a neo-Nazi by the fed and copscum in
general, whihc is of course what they did to me?
And of course the ever incredible ADL ciould give a sh*t less that Kahl as
a WWII veteran in an indirect way helped to liberate Jews from those
Nazi concentration camps.
The ADL is main source of BS for the nations copcum and the FBI.
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12-09-2009 09:38 PM
duncan The Ballad of Carl Drega by Vin Suprynowicz

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Live Free or Die: How Many More Carl Dregas?, by Vin Suprynowicz, The
Registered: Jul 2003 Libertarian Enterprise, June 26, 1998
Posts: 9017 Carl Drega (January 19, 1935 – August 19, 1997) was a man from Bow,
New Hampshire[1], who killed 2 state troopers, a judge and a newspaper
editor and wounded three other law enforcement officers before being
shot to death in a firefight with police. The book The Ballad of Carl Drega
by Vin Suprynowicz is named for him.
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12-09-2009 09:51 PM
duncan https://www.cgcommerce.com/store/st...y=12&storeid=45
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Unintended Consequences
Registered: Jul 2003 by John Ross - Hardcover $60.00 + $4.00 reg mail, $10.95 priority mail
Posts: 9017 IF YOU NEED IT BY CHRISTMAS YOU WILL HAVE TO ORDER BY PHONE.
BOOKS ORDERED HERE GO US MAIL AND THERE IS NO GUARANTEE OF
TIMELY DELIVERY.
“A modern novel of liberty to rival Rand's Atlas Shrugged...a

masterwork.” -- Vin Suprynowicz, Las Vegas Review-Journal.
"What Harriet Beecher Stowe did in 1853 [showing the horrors of slavery
in Uncle Tom's Cabin] John Ross has done for today's struggle for
individual freedom...Read it!"

--Aaron Zelman, Executive Director, Jews for the Preservation of

Firearms Ownership.
"The most important work of fiction I have read in over a decade."

-- Dr. Edgar Suter, Chairman of Doctors for Integrity in Policy Research
Price: $60.00
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12-09-2009 10:05 PM
duncan "A Winnemucca cop asked permission to fake a heart attack on top of a
Moderator hill, then shoot Dallas when he came to help. Someone (a copscum)
suggested that the trap line at Bull Basin be rigged to Bouncing Betty
Registered: Jul 2003 mines, the type known for slicing off geitals, ..." Get a Boy a Gun, ch 27
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado pg 121
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Without any knowledge of what had happened this copscum wanted to
murder Claude in cold blood. Dallas had a witness with him when he
killed the two eco-nazi's Pouge and Elms. Pouge was seen by the witness
present at the scene, with a gun in his hand as he lay dead, meaning
that Pouge pulled his gun on Dallas and the jury would later agree that
Dallas acted in self defense. And if you whack one in the presence of
another you best whack him as well, other wise it will kill you and if you
are dead it will say that you pulled your gun first ergo dead men tell no
tales.
Pogue was about to arrest Dallas for the killing of two deer and two
cougar. Dallas made his living from trapping and he killed the deer for
eating so as to get him through the trapping season. Dallas had
explained all of this to Pouge and his typical copscum response was "The
law don't care what your problem is." Looks like it was Pogue's problem
and no one but his cop pals seem to care. Sucks when the problem is on
the other foot don't it? Pogue was willing to f8ck up Claude's life over a
few dead animals, just so Pouge could collect a pay check.

Was Pogue's life worth it? Ask a local eco-fascist if their lives are worth
the lives of dead animals. These government appointed eco- freaks will
kill you over a dead animal or the very least ruin your life over the life of
a dead f*cking animal. Un-f8cking real.
As it turns out Pogue was a former police Chief of Wennimucca and had
been with this department from the early sixties until the late seventies
and during this time much police corruption had been uncovered and
publicized. Many a witness had testifed at the Dallas trial that Pouge was
a thug who would provoke people, bully his victims and he had even
pulled a gun on a local preacher as the preacher was reaching in his
pocket to show Pouge his fishing lisence. Trust me this p*g had it coming.
The local copscum went ballistic when they had heard that the jury
declared Dallas innnocent of murder. They are still whining to this day
about it. For those who are much younger than me I should mention the
fact that this incident took place in 1981 and the trial was in the late part
of 1982. Dallas recieved 30 years for man slaughter and was sent to the
Idaho state pen, from which he had escaped in 1986 and was later
caught in 1987. He was never given an extended sentence for his escape
because his life had been threatened by prison guard scum, thus forcing
him to escape for fear of being murdered. He was sent to Kansas to
finish out his sentence and was released in 2005. The book I have just
read came out in 1985. Good luck finding a copy.
Here is one of the zero's that was a pal of the thug Pouge. Leland York
threatened the life of an old man by the name of George Nielsen, a pal of
Claude's. York was a tax consuming parasite who like Pouge felt that
society owed him for protecting the lives of dumb animals. York will kill a
taxpayer for a dead animal, my what a f*cking hero you are York. Herr
York our one nut wonder is still alive. At the time York made his threat
Nielsen was in his 70's.
Leland York (775) 623-3231 38 Sunnyside Ave, Winnemucca, NV 89445
And with a map to his house.
http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&...mucca,+NV+89445
Tell tough guy York that George sent you.
Pogue is dead and Dallas is a free man. When a copscum gets ready to
draw on you or tries to kill you over a dead animal do not hesitate to
defend your self.
Another book to read aobut this case would be OUTLAW by Jeff Long.
Here is a link to the whine and notice the dates of recent posts, yea
some are still looking for blood. I couldn't resist the temptation to post.
Bring it.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/par...CUL35C9SL1VPDS6
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12-10-2009 08:28 PM
duncan The Road to Serfdom, F.A. Hayek

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Registered: Jul 2003 "The Road to Serfdom is a book written by Friedrich von Hayek (recipient
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado of the Nobel Memorial Prize in Economic Sciences in 1974) which
Posts: 9017 transformed the landscape of political thought in the 20th century,
shifting the terms of debate for millions of people across the political
spectrum.[1][2] The Road to Serfdom is among the most influential and
popular expositions of classical liberalism and libertarianism."
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12-11-2009 05:02 PM

duncan The FBI Killer, Aphrodite Jones

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The title is misleading, but it offers some insight into the evil ways of the
Registered: Jul 2003 FBI.
Posts: 9017 FBI puke Mark Putnam murders his pregnant lover Susan Daniels Smith,
so as to avoid any embarassment over the issue of infidelity to secure
his career as an FBI puke. Like most FBI pukes Putnam is an arrogant
sack of sh8t who attended a prep school in Conneticut and sought to be
an agent for the money, prestige and power. Smith was a poor little
hillbilly gal, looking for love in all the wrong places, who lived in
Kentucky. Smith was actually Putnam's informant as well as being his
sex toy. The murder happened on June 8th, 1989. Old news to some, but
Putnam was given 16 years and some of the agents mentioned in the
book may still be working for the FBI.
Here is a list of Putnam's fellow FBI pukes that are mentioned in the
book.
1. Daniel Brennan, Pikeville, KY supervisor.
2. Ron Poole, also had the hots for Smith.
3. Terry Hulse, Kentucky area supervisor who choose to ignore Smith's

sister, Shelby Ward, when she first complained about the fact that
Putnam was having an affiar with her sister.
4. Terry O'Connor, another stupervisor.
Putnam only recieved tne years and has been out since September of
2000. He was last seen in Florida. It is believed that he in the HVAC
business.
http://www.nytimes.com/1990/06/13/u...s-16-years.html
In return for an indictment charging Mr. Putnam with manslaughter

instead of murder, Mr. Runyon received the agent's admission that he
strangled Ms. Smith on June 8, 1989, in a quarrel over the baby they
were expecting. Mr. Putnam had apparently offered to adopt the child,
but Ms. Smith wanted him to leave his wife.
Ten years for manslaughter? Our man Dallas got 22 years for the same
crime in which a jury found that he whacked two copscum in self
defense. Imagine that? And the copsum wonder why I could give a sh8t
less when one of their ilk is whacked by some black guy in Lakewood,
Washington.
The more I read, the more I learn and the more I hate FBI pukes.
I'm checking out Amazon and I see that Jones has written other True
Crime books.
http://www.aphroditejones.com/bio.htm
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12-15-2009 08:17 PM
duncan FBI goes deep throat

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http://findarticles.com/p/articles/...0/ai_n14550076/
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WASHINGTON -- A widening spy scandal involving a veteran agent of the
FBI and a prized informant in Los Angeles is part of a much broader
institutional problem that has led to the disciplining of several hundred
agents in recent years for improper dealings with informants, law
enforcement officials say.
The vast majority of these cases have never been made public, but law
enforcement officials who have reviewed the problem say the FBI has
grappled with recurring episodes in which agents have had sexual or
financial relationships with confidential informants.
"Getting too close to the asset is the thing that most often brings an agent
down," the official said. "It happens over and over again, and it's usually
about sex or money."
Senior FBI officials acknowledged in interviews this week that better

oversight was needed. But they made clear that the bureau relied on
many thousands of confidential informants, including drug runners,
mobsters, professors, foreign diplomats and political defectors, to glean
intelligence about crimes and threats to national security. In the fight
against terrorism, the FBI depends more than ever on the information
they provide.
The shadowy legion of informants normally operates in tight secrecy. But

the FBI's system for managing its informants was thrown into the
spotlight last week by the arrests in Los Angeles of James J. Smith, a
veteran agent, and Katrina Leung, a longtime informant, on charges of
mishandling classified data.
Senior FBI officials said that the bureau was developing tougher

safeguards. They said that even before the Los Angeles case broke, they
had begun cataloging past instances of abuse and considering stronger
controls as part of a reorganization after Sept. 11, 2001.
While that effort is continuing, a senior FBI official said, the bureau has
identified several hundred cases in the last 10 years in which agents were
disciplined for improper dealings with informants. Using those cases, the
FBI plans to develop a computerized system to identify signals to alert
them to problems in an agent's relationship with an informant, based on
things like the length of the relationship and the money paid.
The officials said existing policies might have been violated in overseeing
the relationship. The policies require that a supervisor review an agent-
informant relationship every 60 to 90 days, that two agents be present
when an informant is paid and that classified material be shared with an
informant only with senior-level approval.
FBI officials said they had also begun more aggressive polygraph testing
of informants in counterintelligence. But they cautioned that they did not
want to chill the ability of agents to cultivate informants.
*We can't shy away from developing sources,* a senior FBI official said in
an interview. *It's the only way you can be in a position to prevent acts of
violence and terrorism. It's our bread and butter. We just have to put
better controls in place, which we're doing.*
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And here we see FBI thug Herr Poole posing as an undercover brother.
http://cases.justia.com/us-court-of...952/960/367622/
FBI Agent Ronald Poole posed as a fence in the Tracpac investigation. Co-
defendant Tommy Woods3 was a middle man for Agent Poole. He would
refer truck thieves to fences in return for a "finder's fee." Woods and
Agent Poole had negotiated several deals before Woods introduced Mr.
Peters to Agent Poole.
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http://www.linkedin.com/pub/terry-hulse/10/834/a47
Hulse is in Vegas posing as a security guard.
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duncan "The Silent Brotherhood: The Chilling Inside Story of America's Violent,
Moderator Anti-Government Militia Movement" Kevin Flynn, Gary Gerhardt
Registered: Jul 2003 Flynn changed the title and I'm gonna ask him why he did this. When
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado this book came out there was NO "militia movement" or the false notion
Posts: 9017 of one of which the left and the media feeds people today. Flynn is a
reporter for the Denver Compost.
The book is about the murder of Denver talk show host Alan Berg in
1986, at the hands of Christian Identity pukes and done at the behest of
Pete Peters and Jack Mohr. Does anyone here recall any kind of so-called
anti-government militia movement going on in 1986? Nope, wasn't
happening.
The men who murdered Berg never called themselves a 'militia'. It would
appear that Flynn has gone the wrong way of the ADL and the SPLC.
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duncan A true Patriot

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"Live From Death Row", Mumia Abu- Jamal

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Mumia Abu-Jamal (born Wesley Cook on April 24, 1954) is an American
Posts: 9017
who was convicted and sentenced to death for the December 9, 1981
murder of Philadelphia police officer Daniel Faulkner.[1] He has been
described as "perhaps the best known Death-Row prisoner in the world",
and his sentence is one of the most debated today.[2]
On December 9, 1981, between three thirty and four o’clock in the

morning, Philadelphia Police Officer Daniel Faulkner made a traffic stop of
a Volkswagen driven by William Cook, Abu-Jamal’s brother, on Locust
Street between 12th and 13th Streets, in Philadelphia. Officer Faulkner
radioed for backup assistance, and both men exited their vehicles. A
struggle ensued, and Officer Faulkner tried to secure Cook’s hands
behind his back. At that moment, Abu-Jamal, who was in a parking lot
on the opposite side of the street, ran toward Officer Faulkner and Cook.
As he approached, Abu-Jamal shot Officer Faulkner in the back. As
Officer Faulkner fell to the ground, he was able to turn around, reach for
his own firearm, and fire at Abu-Jamal, striking him in the chest. Abu-
Jamal, now standing over Officer Faulkner, fired four shots at close
range. One shot struck Officer Faulkner between the eyes and entered
his brain.[3]
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duncan "Change We Can Believe In" - No author

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Obama's promises, that he has no intention of ever keeping. No
Registered: Jul 2003 appendix, no notes, no bibliography, no author and no results under the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado regime of prez Mombo the.
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12-21-2009 05:05 PM
duncan "DOC" The Rape of the Town of Lovell, Jack Olsen

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Learning more about Wyoming Mormon's than I care to know. Lovell is
Registered: Jul 2003 located at the far NW end of the state, were it belongs.
Posts: 9017 Jack Olsen passed away in 2002 and he is one of the best reads I have
yet to experience.
Dr. Story raped more than a few of the Mormon women of Lovell, while
they lay on his inspection table. He performed the art of dilation on these
women with his organic equipment and he did so for over 25 years.
Young and old, Story never did discriminate with any of his female
patients.
Story was given 15 years to be served in Rawlins and was released ten
years ago. No one seems to know were he is.
http://www.amazon.com/Doc-Jack-Olsen/dp/0440206685
From Publishers Weekly

Lovell is a small town in Wyoming whose population is about 50%
Mormon; Mormon women are traditionally expected to serve men
unquestioningly. Thus, for 25 years John Story, who established his
medical practice in Lovell in 1958, was able to molest dozens, perhaps
even hundreds, of local women, conducting prolonged pelvic

examinations for mere sinus infections and headaches. The examinations

customarily concluded with sexual intercourse. Many of the women,
incredibly naive about such matters, and virtually reverential toward the
doctor, did not realize what was happening to them--and did not resist.
The doctor, a pillar of the Baptist Church, enjoyed enormous prestige.
This masterful book by the author of Son , as much a searching
sociological study as a true-crime narrative, tells what happened in Lovell
when these happenings came to light: the community lost its bearings
and the doctor was convicted of rape.
Copyright 1989 Reed Business Information, Inc. --This text refers to an
out of print or unavailable edition of this title.
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12-21-2009 05:10 PM
duncan A few of these women had gone to the local copscum to file a formal
Moderator compliant agianst Dr. Story and they were all ignored for twenty five
years. It wasn't until after the state medical board had revoked Story's
Registered: Jul 2003 license to practice medicine that criminal action was finally taken.
Posts: 9017 One woman refused to wait on the copscum for justice and took the
intiative to get Story all by her lonesome. The DA Terrell Tharp
instructed this woman that SHE needed to find twenty other women who
had been sexually molested by Dr. Story before HE would prosecute. So
what the f*ck do WE in Wyoming need with a tax consuming parasite like
Tharp who needs us to do his f*cking job for him? At the time Tharp was
making over 45K a year and that was in 1984.
Big Horn county has squat for a population and Tharp would spend most
of his time busting the chops of people, who were known to others as
"Patriots", for driving without a DL. If a woman gets raped in Big Horn
county Timmons doesn't get to excited about it as it might cost him his
tax consuming job when it involves going after a local doctor, but get a

ticket for no DL and this puke Tharp will go ballistic. Welkome to

Wyoming, the home of hillbilly government.
Thay are still talking about it in Lovell.
http://lovellchronicle.com/Discussi...ic/Default.aspx
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Dr. John Story was released from prison. He and his wife live happily
outside of the state. Don't believe everything in this book. He may have
been convicted of these crimes, but I still defend his innocense. I lived in
Lovell right across the street from Dr. Story. He did NOT do the crimes
he was convicted of. Yes this is still a very touchy subject. I have not
been back to Lovell for many years, but I'm sure families are still torn
the way they were when the whole thing was going on. One "victims"
daughter in the grocery store that she worked, stated "I should say he's
the father of my baby." which we all knew he wasn't and she knew full
well who the father was. There were not hundreds of women and he was
not convicted of all the charges against him. These women were coached
by a police officer from Casper, Wyoming by the name of Judy Cashell.
The book may be based on "facts", but I still believe he is innocent!!
The dude was guilty. He'd be 84 years of age, if he yet lives. If he is

alive I suspect that he resides in Maxwell, Nebraska.
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12-22-2009 07:11 PM

duncan Robert A. Heinlein, "The Moon is a Harsh Mistress"

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Registered: Jul 2003 Robert Anson Heinlein (July 7, 1907 – May 8, 1988) was an American
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado science fiction writer. Often called "the dean of science fiction writers",
Posts: 9017 [1] he was one of the most popular, influential, and controversial authors
of the genre. He set a high standard for science and engineering
plausibility and helped to raise the genre's standards of literary quality.
He was one of the first writers to break into mainstream, general
magazines such as The Saturday Evening Post, in the late 1940s, with
unvarnished science fiction. He was among the first authors of
bestselling, novel-length science fiction in the modern, mass-market era.
For many years, Heinlein, Isaac Asimov, and Arthur C. Clarke were
known as the "Big Three" of science fiction.[2][3]
Excellent read and no wonder the guy recieved A Hugo Award for this
book. This book is packed with tactics and political philosophy i.e.
'rational anarchism' arguments. Our hero, O'Kelly, argues away the
position of any need for taxation and why should not be paying taxes as
we never really recieve any services including any so-called police
protection. Who did the police protect at Waco and Ruby Ridge?
This book came out in 1966 and was way ahead of its time. The moon is
established as a penal colony in which the inmates farm their own crops
for subsistance by use of ice found on the moon. I believe that is was
just this past month ice was discovered on the moon.
TANSTAAFL!!!!!!!
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12-23-2009 05:59 PM

duncan "Talked To Death, The Murder of Alan Berg and the rise of the Neo-
Moderator Nazi's", Stephen Singular
Registered: Jul 2003 Stephen was a reporter for the Denver Post at the time Berg was
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado murdered. This book differs from Flynn's book in so far as Singular gives
Posts: 9017 his reader more insight into Berg's personal life and back ground, while
giving these Neo-Nazi's limited space. He does how ever give Pete
"Peckerhead" Peters a short chapter and true to form Peters must inject
his BS.
"The word America means ' Heavenly Kingdom' in the Gothic language." -
Peckerhead Peters page 183 second paragraph
America was named after Amerigo Vespucci. I learned this much in

elementary school. Based on 'Peckerheads' position then that would
mean the entire western hemisphere is God's so-called "Heavenly
Kingdom" on earth i.e. North America, South America and Central
America. No were in the Bible does it say that the western hemisphere or
even the USA is God's 'Heavenly Kingdom' on earth. Pecker head implies
that the US must be the Heavenly Kigndom because it is also known as
America, a gothic word that supposedly means Heavenly Kingdom, yet
Peckerhead will not site his source for this outrageous cliam. Amerigo
was an Italian name of the 15th century and Gothic refers to Germanic
tribes of the 4th, 5th and 6th centuries, from which there is no
connection to the name Amerigo or the Latin language.
http://www.fammed.sunysb.edu/surgery/america.html
Cohen finds nothing to support the so-called theory that the word
'America' is of Gothic origin and based on Peckerheads timeline it doesn't
even fit. The Gothic language ceased to even exist by the end of the
sixth century and was never used in the form Peters describes during the
11th century.
Other Norsemen went out to the land Leif had discovered; in fact,
contemporary advocates of the Norse connection claim that from around
the beginning of the 11th century, North Atlantic sailors called this place
Ommerike (oh-MEH-ric-eh), an Old Norse word meaning "farthest
outland." (This theory is currently being promoted by white supremacists
of the so-called Christian Party, who are intent on preserving the nation's
Nordic character, and who argue that the Norse Ommerike derives from
the Gothic Amalric, which, according to them, means "Kingdom of
Heaven.") But most non-Scandinavians were ignorant of these sailors'
bold exploits until the 17th century, and what they actually found was
not seriously discussed by European geographers until the 18th century.
Further, other discoveries of America have been credited to the Irish who
had sailed to a land they called Iargalon, the land beyond the sunset,
and to the Phoenicians who purportedly came here before the Norse. The
1497 voyage by John Cabot to the Labrador coast of Newfoundland
constitutes yet another discovery of the American mainland, which led to
an early 20th-century account of the naming of America, recently
revived, that claims the New World was named after an Englishman
(Welshman, actually) called Richard Amerike.
A theory or a fiction created by the very people who orginated the

fiction? People like Peckerhead. There is nothing to support Peckerhead's

lie other than he said it is so and so it must be so aka circular reasoning,

which is about what sums up Peters and his BS theology.
Berg had recieved so many death threats in '79 that he decided to get a
CCW. Even though Berg was a big proponent of gun control he had goine
to the local Police Chief of Englewood refused to give Berg a CCW and
the leading copscum wouldn't even entertian the thought of teaching
Berg how defend himself with a handgun. The copscum played a part in
the murder of Berg when they refused to help him defend himself by way
of a gun. I'm not suggesting that a CCW permit alone or having a
handgun nearby will protect you all the time, but it does at the very least
give a man a fighting chance. Say Berg did get a CCW and the trianing
he needed and than had broadcasted on live radio that fact the he was
packing and knew how to kill any potential attackers with a gun,
Matthews and his fellow punks might have thought twice about trying to
murder an armed man.
Leave it to the Denver copscum to make victims of us all. Good job

scumbags and you can thank yer fellow swine in Englewood for the
murder of Berg at the hands of fascists.
Berg did nothing to deserve what had happened to him. He never

harmed another human being in his life. All he did was speak his mind
and hang up on his live radio program on a scumbag by the name of
Jack 'off' Mohr.
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12-27-2009 06:21 PM

duncan 'nigger' by Randall Kennedy

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The copscum will be besides themselves to see that I have posted this
Registered: Jul 2003 title.
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12-29-2009 02:59 PM
duncan Dumbing Us Down: The Hidden Curriculum of Compulsory Schooling,

Moderator John Taylor Gatto
Registered: Jul 2003 Public schools are prisons and all teachers prison guards.
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12-30-2009 06:15 PM
duncan Catcher in the Rye, J.D. Salinger

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The book's initial success was followed by a brief lull in popularity, but by
Registered: Jul 2003 the late 1950s, according to Ian Hamilton, it had "become the book all
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado brooding adolescents had to buy, the indispensable manual from which
Posts: 9017 cool styles of disaffectation could be borrowed."[44] Newspapers began
publishing articles about the "Catcher Cult",[44] and the novel was
banned in several countries—as well as some U.S. schools—because of
its subject matter and what Catholic World reviewer Riley Hughes called
an "excessive use of amateur swearing and coarse language".[45] One
diligent parent counted 237 appearances of the word "g)ddam" in the
novel, along with 58 "b@stard"s, 31 "Chrissake"s, and 6 "f*ck"s.[45]
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01-02-2010 12:00 AM
duncan The Fountainhead, Ayn Rand

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The Fountainhead's protagonist, Howard Roark, is an individualistic
Registered: Jul 2003 young architect who chooses to struggle in obscurity rather than
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado compromise his artistic and personal vision. The book follows his battle
Posts: 9017 to practice what the public sees as modern architecture, which he
believes to be superior, despite an establishment centered on tradition-
worship. How others in the novel relate to Roark demonstrates Rand's
various archetypes of human character, all of which are variants between
Roark, the author's ideal man of independent-mindedness and integrity,
and what she described as the "second-handers." The complex
relationships between Roark and the various kinds of individuals who
assist or hinder his progress, or both, allow the novel to be at once a
romantic drama and a philosophical work. By Rand's own admission,
Roark is the embodiment of the human spirit and his struggle represents
the triumph of individualism over collectivism.

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01-04-2010 05:08 PM
duncan The irony of this book is that Rand was turned down by 12 publishers, as
Moderator was the character Roarke turned down by so many other architects for
his style.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I can relate to Roarke not wanting to compromise his principles and after
Posts: 9017 reading the book I have reaffirmed my individualistic nature and attitude
towards a system that demands conformity at the point of a gun.
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duncan The book of Psalms and Proverbs.

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Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the statists or
Registered: Jul 2003 stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers.
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01-16-2010 07:24 PM
duncan Poison Tree: A True Story of Family Violence and Revenge (Hardcover)
Moderator Alan Prendergast
Registered: Jul 2003 Alan is a reporter for Denver's Westword. This is a story about an evil
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado IRS agent who was murdered by his own family. The story takes place in
Posts: 9017 Cheyenne and guess who the deputy DA was? Our boy Jon Foreskin aka
Jon Forewood.
Girl Molested by Father Faces Prison Term for Helping Kill Him
Author: Jay Mathews, Washington Post Staff Writer
An 18-year-old girl who was molested by her father was sentenced today
to three to eight years in prison for helping her brother kill him. The
sentence ignited a burst of public outrage.
Some courtroom spectators broke into sobs as small, dark-haired

Deborah Jahnke was led away unsmiling and apparently stunned to the
Laramie County jail.
"This is disgusting," said Donelle Fenwick, one of several onlookers

involved in a campaign to toughen laws against child abuse, as several
state legislatures have done in the last two years.
Jahnke and her 16-year-old brother, Richard, who faces five to 15 years
in the state penitentiary, have become the center of a national
controversy since Richard killed their father with several blasts from a 12-
gauge shotgun Nov. 16.
After the shooting, Deborah and Richard testified to a long history of

mental, physical and sexual abuse by their father, Richard C. Jahnke, 38,
a criminal investigator for the Internal Revenue Service.
Deborah Jahnke said her father sexually molested her, repeatedly beat
her and her brother and forbade them to bring friends to their house.
The elder Jahnke was described by neighbors as a stocky, obviously
intelligent man who kept a collection of 32 guns in his house and was
known for being extremely strict with his children.
Deborah Jahnke's attorney, Terry Mackey, told reporters in a broken

voice that today's sentence was "disappointing." Parents convicted of
killing their children often get lighter sentences, he said. He said he
would attempt to arrange his client's release as quickly as possible on
$25,000 bond and said appeals could take as long as a year. Her brother
was freed on $50,000 bond after a letter-writing campaign and appeals
to the governor.
District Judge Joseph F. Maier read a 15-page statement decrying

"incomplete, incorrect, and slanted" news reports as he sentenced

Deborah Jahnke today. He noted that authorities had told the

defendant's brother he could seek help from them if his father continued
to abuse him.
Maier also objected to reports of "incest" and "rape" by the father. He

said Deborah Jahnke had told a psychiatrist "only of 'touching' or
'fondling' and of one occasion lying down upon her, while clothed, and,
more importantly, that these things had happened before she was 12
years of age, and never after that."
Jurors convicted Deborah Jahnke of aiding and abetting manslaughter,

after rejecting charges of aiding and abetting and conspiring to commit
first degree murder. The conviction carried a sentence of from one to 20
years. Maier said he decided to impose a prison sentence, rather than
put Deborah on probation or in a juvenile home, in part because "a wise
and learned psychiatrist told me one time that a person who has taken a
human life will feel guilt--and that some punishment is necessary for that
individual to expiate that feeling of guilt...."
Last Nov. 16, Richard C. Jahnke, a victim of child abuse himself, ordered
his son to leave the family home and not come back that night, and went
out to dinner with his wife. The younger Richard waited for his father to
return and shot him through the glass and wood garage door of their
eight-room ranch-style house as the father tried to open the door.
Deborah waited in the family living room with a loaded rifle at her side
under a vague plan to join the shooting if her brother failed.
Richard testified at his trial that he had decided the day of the murder,
"He's never going to touch us again." He said he felt that "I didn't have
any place to go....There was no one out there. Not even my
grandparents would have helped me."
He testified that his father beat both children viciously and on one
occasion scrubbed his sister's face so hard with a washcloth that it bled.
"He pushed my sister against the wall, and to discipline her, he grabbed
her breasts."
He said, "I once saw him reach into my sister's pants and feel around."
He said their mother blamed his sister for "wearing shorts" and
stimulating the incidents. Maria Jahnke has recently told friends she was
afraid of her husband. Her son said he saw his father beat his mother
and call her a "slut."
Richard Jahnke said when he shot his father he blew his ROTC whistle to
give himself courage. "Every shot I fired hurt me so much," he said.
After the shooting, some local citizens immediately demanded prison

terms for the youths and described efforts to set them free as "lynch
mob justice." Judge Paul Liamos said he sentenced Richard Jahnke to the
state penitentiary to discourage other youths from "committing acts
similar to yours."
During final arguments in Deborah Jahnke's case, deputy district

attorney Jon Forwood asked the jury, "Are we going to put the
commandment 'Thou shalt not kill' in the gutter where they put that
other commandment, 'Honor thy father and thy mother'?"

But when reports began to surface of long-term abuse by the elder

Jahnke, public sympathy swung quickly behind the two teenagers.
Citizen groups and local editorial writers were outraged when it was
learned that the son had been taken to a local sheriff's office by his high
school ROTC instuctor in May to complain about being beaten.
The youth told friends that he rejected offers to go to a youth center or a

foster home because authorities could not guarantee similar protection
for his sister and he felt he had to be in the house to protect her. A social
worker who followed up the case accepted statements from the mother,
who had occasionally beaten the children when they were younger, and
from the son in the presence of his father that the situation had
improved.
Democratic Gov. Ed Herschler has received about 1,000 letters on the

case, about 95 percent of them asking him to reduce or commute
Richard Jahnke's sentence. Although he has declined to announce a
decision before Jahnke has exhausted his appeals, Herschler has said,
"This young man has suffered great trauma through abuse, trauma both
mental and physical, and perhaps that's been punishment enough."
Mackey suggested today that he might also seek commutation of
Deborah Jahnke's sentence.
Several criminal lawyers here have called the sentences of the Jahnke
children unusually harsh in light of other recent cases. An 18-year-old
Arapahoe Indian recently received three years in a juvenile home for
breaking into a room where his abusive father was hiding and stabbing
him to death. A 17-year-old Jacksonville, Fla., youth received 15 years
probation after shooting to death his father, who had said he "needed a
woman" and tried to drag away the youth's sister.
Copyright (c) 1983 The Washington Post
."Are we going to put the commandment'Thou shalt not kill' in the gutter
where they put that other commandment,
Well how about it Jon are you? Of course you are and you did.
Our boy Foreskin would never prosecute anyone for the murder of
Dwayne Sells. Foreskin has been seen hanging out at T-Joes and so have
I.
DA Carrol and his bitch Foreskin wasted over 300K of tax dollars to
persecute these two victims of child abuse. Neither one of them did a
day in the state pen. A story of copscum incompetence.
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duncan American Terrorist: Timothy McVeigh and the Oklahoma City Bombing ~
Moderator Lou Michel & Dan Herbeck (Author)
Registered: Jul 2003 If Waco had never happened then OK would have never happened.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Something for you ATF and FBI p*gs to think about. Oh that's right you
Posts: 9017 f*cks never think.
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01-19-2010 12:01 AM

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After the shooting, Deborah and Richard testified

to a long history of mental, physical and sexual
abuse by their father, Richard C. Jahnke, 38, a
criminal investigator for the Internal Revenue
Service.

Posts: 5865 This would explain the inexcusable conviction and sentencing of the
two kids. Their old man, after all, was an agent of Leviathan, an
UNTOUCHABLE class of criminal that is above any moral or criminal
law that applies to mere citizens. It didn't matter that he was a
violent paedophile scumbag (which his colleagues and bosses at the
IRS certainly knew, but just as certainly didn't give a shit about): he
was Washington's violent paedophile scumbag. I'm only surprised
the feds didn't step in an take over the prosecution of this case.
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01-19-2010 04:33 PM
duncan While on the witness stand young Richard made the cliam that Dad was
Moderator investigating Sheriif Flynn for running a prostitution ring. After Flynn
stepped down, prostitution in Cheyenne took a nose dive.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado This might explain why the deputies never went after the elder Richard
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01-19-2010 04:49 PM
duncan "Others Unknown: The Oklahoma Bombing Case and Conspiracy"

Moderator Stephen Jones, Chief Defense of the Council in U.S. vs McVeigh and
Peter Israel
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The ATF was involved in the bombing and the FBI with held evidence
Posts: 9017 from Judge Matsch and the defense. Most of the bad guys got away with
it.
The FBI lied.
1. "McVeigh acted alone." If so then why did the fed arrest and charge
the Fortier's and the Nichols brothers?
2. "McVeigh was a loner." If so why did he have so many friends?
3. "McVeigh was kicked out of the army." Nope, he was given an

Honorable Discharge and asked to re-enlist. He went from being private
to being a SGT in a very short period of time. He was a combat veteran
who had more than just a few medals for valor and bravery. He whacked
two enemy combatants and saved the life of a fellow soldier.
4. "He washed out in the SF due to the fact that he failed his psych test."
He passed the psych test, but failed the physical requirement and was
asked to please try out agian when he was in better shape.
5. "McVeigh intentionally killed the children in the day care of the Murray
Building." McVeigh had no idea that there was a day care in the Murray
Bldg as he could not see it due to the fact that the window glass
surrounding the exterior of the bldg was black and no one could see
inside the bldg.
6. "McVeigh was a member of a militia." Nope he never was, just another

FBI bullsh*t story done to destroy a legitimate political movment that
brought attention to the fact that the FBI murdered 83 innocent people
in Waco, Texas.
Facts: McViegh had an IQ of 126. He stated that he exacted vengance

for what happened at Ruby Ridge and Waco.
The ATF and the FBI intentionally killed the children inside the Davidian

home. Did these slobs shed a tear for these little Davidian children? Nope
but they would later exploit the deaths of the little children who died in
the OKC bombing. How f*cking sick is that people?
Did any of you copscum in and around Ft. Collins cry foul when yer fellow
siwne with the FBI killed the Davidian children? Nope you ****ing swine
not only didn't say a word about you continued to go about the business
of working with locla FBI and ATF gestapo agents to spy on me and lie
about me all the while others were plotting to kill innocent people. I ask
you slobs, what the f8ck good are you people to anyone?
Do I support what McVeigh did? Nope and I would never stoop to the
level of the ATF, FBI and the FCPD by wishing people dead who dare to
call them all out on their tyranny.
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01-24-2010 02:35 PM
duncan The FBI hid the fact that Dennis Mahon, Robert Millar and Andreas
Moderator Strassmeir were all three implicated in the OKC bombing. Why? All three
lived together at a Christian Identity Compound located in Elohim City,
Registered: Jul 2003 OK and because Strassmeir was an ATF informant and bringing him in
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado would have embarassed both the ATF and the FBI.
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Nichols was offered a deal by Judge Richard Matsch, which involved the
possiblity of parole with a lesser time in prison. If Nichols would rat on
the others who worked with him and McVeigh in the bombing plot.
Nichols refused the deal. He new Mahon would kill any surviving family
members like James Nichols Terry's brother.
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01-26-2010 06:47 PM
duncan "The Ashes of Waco: An investigation", Dick J. Reaves

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http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tsus.../tsu-00057.html
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Recognizing the raid, siege and burning of the Branch Davidian center as
Posts: 9017 a major story that was being covered by the press only from the
government’s perspective, Reavis spent the next two years reporting and
investigating the incident, its players, causes, and immediate
implications. Simon and Schuster published the resulting book, The
Ashes of Waco, in 1995, making Reavis one of the few impartial experts
on the subject. That same year he was called to testify before Congress
in renewed hearings about what happened at Mount Carmel and why.
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duncan "Columbine", Dave Cullen

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I wonder who the copscum protected here? No one.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado FBI puke Dwayne Fuselier was involved in this fiasco as well as the Waco
Posts: 9017 fiasco in which he was the negotiator at Waco. He was the guy who lied to
the Branch Davidians and his lies got them all killed by the fed. Fuselier
used the name Agent Comealong in the book "The Ashes of Waco", but
here he decides he wants fame in Cullen's book.
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On April 20, 1999, two boys left an indelible stamp on the American
psyche. Their goal was simple: to blow up their school, Oklahoma City-
style, and to leave "a lasting impression on the world." Their bombs failed,
but the ensuing shooting defined a new era of school violence-irrevocably
branding every subsequent shooting "another Columbine."
When we think of Columbine, we think of the Trench Coat Mafia; we think

of Cassie Bernall, the girl we thought professed her faith before she was
shot; and we think of the boy pulling himself out of a school window-the
whole world was watching him. Now, in a riveting piece of journalism
nearly ten years in the making, comes the story none of us knew. In this
revelatory book, Dave Cullen has delivered a profile of teenage killers that
goes to the heart of psychopathology. He lays bare the callous brutality of
mastermind Eric Harris and the quavering, suicidal Dylan Klebold, who
went to the prom three days earlier and obsessed about love in his journal.
The result is an astonishing account of two good students with lots of

friends, who were secretly stockpiling a basement cache of weapons,
recording their raging hatred, and manipulating every adult who got in
their way. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold left signs everywhere, described
by Cullen with a keen investigative eye and psychological acumen.
Drawing on hundreds of interviews, thousands of pages of police files, FBI
psychologists, and the boys' tapes and diaries, he gives the first complete
account of the Columbine High School massacre.
In the tradition of Helter Skelter and In Cold Blood, Columbine is destined

to be a classic. A close-up portrait of violence, a community rendered
helpless, and police blunders and cover-ups, it is a compelling and utterly
human portrait of two killers-an unforgettable cautionary tale for our time.
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Yea a real classic, welkome to the wonder world of Jeffco and its ever
worthless school district. How do I know this? I'm a victim of this school
district.
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duncan The connection to all of these horrors is astounding.

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Weaver/Waco, OK City and then Columbine. Harris wanted to out do
Registered: Jul 2003 McVeigh.
Posts: 9017 Fuselier was the negotiator at Waco and his son attended Columbine at
the time of this slaughter.
One of the guns used by Harris and Klebold saw the inside of a gun shop
in Longmont. Cullen won't say which one of the two gun shops he is
talking about and I know that he wants to say "Paladin Arms" but won't
because he knows that he will get sued for not being able to support his
comment with any facts to back it up. How does he know? There is no
way he can know that a certian gun came form a certian gun shop, as he
cannot access the paper work, some ATF puke lied to him about it and it
should be noted that Cullen never bothers to divulge his ATF source.
Probably an ATF f* ck by the name of Pitrelli. Go figure.
Cullen talks about the fact that the DA Thomas worked with local
copscum to hide the fact about how the Brown family had filed a formal
complaint with the SO in regards to Harris threatening the life of Brooks
Brown and Harris's practice of making pipe bombs and done prior to the
slaughter, yet the Jeffco goons did nothing.
Thomas was the same f*ck who had ordered Deputy Estep and Co. to
get me and shut me up, which would later cost the county SO $20K.
Thanks Thomas.
I did call and talk with the Brown's who thanked me for suing and
winning as Herr Estep had tried real hard to implicate Brooks in the
slaughter. I also spoke with David Rohrbough, father of Danny
Rohrbough, who's son was shot to death by Harris and Klebold and he
gave me a thumbs up for suing the copscum who had left his sons body
to lay in the dirt for so many days.
This book does not vindicate the police and in fact it makes them all the
more guilty of conspiring to with hold evidence, done to cover thier ever
worthless butts. Since this tragedy we have seen an expanison of the
police state, more laws put inot place and more intrusion inot our lives.
Yet to date there have been more school shootings and the police

portected no one at VA Tech.
What I found interesting is that Cho used Harris and Klebold as his model
for killing 34 kids at VA Tech, once again if there had never been a Waco
then there would have never been an OK City and possibly no Columbine
and no VA Tech. The copscum will never learn and will demand more
money and more copscum only to repeat this crap all over agian.
Harris was a psychopath and like we needed some FBI puke by the name
of Fueselier to tell us this, duh. No one could tell that the kid was a
psycho, yet innocent people were forced to be in the same class room
with him. Abolish guns and we will all be victims of people like Harris.
Abolish the public schools and we shall all be free of the victimization.
Sheriff Stone was kicked out of office and was the DA Herr Thomas, but
trust me both of these human parasites are still feeding from the tax
trough. Mauser still refuses to get over it and he still wants the state to
bully all gun owners into truing in their guns or suffer the effects of gun
confiscation. That's right Mauser you are the real bully in this scenario.
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duncan "Leave Us Alone", Ray Harvey

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02-07-2010 12:18 AM
duncan Frederic Bastiat, The Law

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and in turn influenced Henry Hazlitt's Economics in One Lesson.[1] It is
the work for which Bastiat is most famous along with The candlemaker's
petition and the Parable of the broken window.
In The Law, Bastiat states that "each of us has a natural right — from
God — to defend his person, his liberty, and his property". The State is a
"substitution of a common force for individual forces" to defend this
right. The law becomes perverted when it punishes one's right to self-
defense in favor of another's acquired right to plunder.
Bastiat defines two forms of plunder: "stupid greed and false

philanthropy". Stupid greed is "protective tariffs, subsidies, guaranteed
profits" and false philanthropy is "guaranteed jobs, relief and welfare
schemes, public education, progressive taxation, free credit, and public
works". Monopolism and Socialism are legalized plunder which Bastiat
emphasizes is legal but not legitimate.
Justice has precise limits but philanthropy is limitless and government

can grow endlessly when that becomes its function. The resulting statism

is "based on this triple hypothesis: the total inertness of mankind, the

omnipotence of the law, and the infallibility of the legislator". The
relationship between the public and the legislator becomes "like the clay
to the potter". Bastiat says, "I do not dispute their right to invent social
combinations, to advertise them, to advocate them, and to try them
upon themselves, at their own expense and risk. But I do dispute their
right to impose these plans upon us by law—by force—and to compel us
to pay for them with our taxes".[2]
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duncan The book of Genesis.

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02-10-2010 03:19 PM
duncan "The Rise of the Fourth Reich: The Secret Societies That Threaten to
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Registered: Jul 2003 Tin foil stuff or the stuff that tin foil is made from.
Posts: 9017 Jim Marrs (born 5 December 1943) is an American former newspaper
journalist and author of books and articles on a wide range of alleged
cover ups and conspiracies.[1] Marrs is a prominent figure in the JFK
conspiracy press and his book Crossfire was a source for Oliver Stone's
film JFK. He has also written books asserting the existence of
government conspiracies regarding aliens, 9/11, telepathy, and secret
societies. He was once a news reporter in the Dallas–Fort Worth
Metroplex and has taught a class on the Kennedy Assassination at
University of Texas at Arlington. Marrs is a member of the Scholars for
9/11 Truth.
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02-17-2010 11:52 AM
duncan "On Violence", Hannah Arendt.

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02-22-2010 04:19 PM
duncan "Walls in Our Minds", M.J. 'Red' Beckman

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Order "the Law That Never Was. Vol. 1. for $38.50.
This book proves that the 16th amendment was never ratified under the
law, ergo income taxes are illegal.
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This book proves that the 16th amendment was

never ratified under the law, ergo income taxes are
illegal.
I believe I heard Beckman interviewed on the history of the 16th

Amendment years ago (late 90s) on Zoh Hieronymous's old radio
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to read it.
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duncan I read it in the late 80's, but it was loaned to me. I just sent in the
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duncan "No Treason", Lysander Spooner

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Posts: 9017 century. He is also known for competing with the U.S. Post Office with
his American Letter Mail Company, which was forced out of business by
the United States government. He has been identified by some
contemporary writers as an anarcho-capitalist,[1][2] while at least one
writer is convinced that his advocacy of self-employment over working
for an employer for wages qualifies him as an anti-capitalist or a socialist,
[3] notwithstanding his support for private ownership of the means of
production and a free-market economy.
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duncan "Global Gun Grab; The United Nations Campaign to Disarm Americans",
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duncan "The Last Days of Socrates" by Mr. Plato.

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03-02-2010 05:00 PM
Big Ed The Ashes of Waco

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"The Ashes of Waco: An investigation", Dick J. Reaves
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tsus.../tsu-00057.
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Recognizing the raid, siege and burning of the Branch

Davidian center as a major story that was being
covered by the press only from the government’s
perspective, Reavis spent the next two years reporting
and investigating the incident, its players, causes, and
immediate implications. Simon and Schuster published
the resulting book, The Ashes of Waco, in 1995,
making Reavis one of the few impartial experts on the
subject. That same year he was called to testify before
Congress in renewed hearings about what happened
at Mount Carmel and why.
I read this book from cover to cover in one sitting..

I recommend highly...it's shows exactly what nazi thugs the ATF , the
FBI and the Clinton- Reno Justice Dept really were (still are under Eric
Holder and Obama)
I was dumfounded when I read that the local Sherriff and the ATF's own
undercover CI were all but begging the ATF honchos to call of the raid,
(David Koresh even agreed to give up peacefully) but the ATF refused
because the press had arrived and it was show time....you saw it all in
prime time..
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03-02-2010 09:38 PM

duncan The book of Exodus.

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03-06-2010 07:38 PM
duncan Buried Alive: The Biography of Janis Joplin by Myra Friedman

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duncan Life and Death in Civil War Prisons: The Parallel Torments of Corporal
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Michael Martinez (Author)
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado When they tell ya about Andersonville and what the rebs did to them
Posts: 9017 Yankeys. You can tell them about what the Yankeys did to the Rebs on
an Island located betwixt Iowa and Illinois.
Tell them the North owes the South reparations.
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03-06-2010 07:46 PM
duncan Plato's Meno

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After reading the dialogue between Socrates and Meno on the matter of
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Our boy Soco was under the belief that men are born with knowledge
and could simply recollect what they already know. He is into
reincarnation. I don't think Plato was of the same opinion and I know
that Aristotle was not.
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duncan Leviticus
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03-14-2010 06:58 PM
duncan "Burglars in Blue" by Art Winstanley

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Registered: Jul 2003 copscum went down for the crime of stealing private property.
Posts: 9017 Art was the first to one to go down, he was caught red handed stealing a
safe. He never did rat on his fellow porkers and intially did just over two
years in the state pen. Shortly after the first time for being busted he
was busted again for burglarzing another safe.
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03-16-2010 01:42 PM
duncan "The Underground History of American Education", John Taylor Gatto.

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03-20-2010 08:14 PM

duncan J. Edgar Hoover: The Man and the Secrets, by Curt Gentry
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. Edgar Hoover
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Shocking, grim, frightening, Curt Gentry’s masterful portrait of America’s

top policeman is a unique political biography. From more than 300
interviews and over 100,000 pages of previously classified documents,
Gentry reveals exactly how a paranoid director created the fraudulent
myth of an invincible, incorruptible FBI. For almost fifty years, Hoover
held virtually unchecked public power, manipulating every president from
Franklin D. Roosevelt to Richard Nixon. He kept extensive blackmail files
and used illegal wiretaps and hidden microphones to destroy anyone who
opposed him.
The book reveals how Hoover helped create McCarthyism, blackmailed

the Kennedy brothers, and influenced the Supreme Court; how he
******ed the civil rights movement and forged connections with
mobsters; and what part he played in the investigations of President
John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. A New York Times bestseller.
32 pages of photographs.
"This massive new study promises to be the most extensive and

controversial yet. . . . A chilling look at the darker side of American
politics."—Library Journal
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04-07-2010 02:27 PM

Big Ed quote:
Member
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Location: USA Torments of Corporal John Wesly Minnich, C.S.A. and
Posts: 70 Sergeant Warren Lee Goss, U.S.A. by J Michael
Martinez (Author)
When they tell ya about Andersonville and what the

rebs did to them Yankeys. You can tell them about
what the Yankeys did to the Rebs on an Island located
betwixt Iowa and Illinois.
Tell them the North owes the South reparations.
I went to a civil war reenactment last weekend. I met a black man, a

member of the Sons Of Confederate Veterans, whose Grandfather went
to fight in the civil war for the Confederacy at the age of 14. He was an
interesting man. I asked him if he often got grief from other blacks about
being a member of the Sons Of Confederate Veterans, being that most
people blame the civil war on a fight to preserve slavery. He said his
Grandfather was proud to serve the South and continued to attend
Soldier's re-unions until his death at the age of 94. He also told me that
there were 90 thousand black troops in the confederate army. The
gentleman impressed me with this quote..
"the winner gets to write the history books"
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04-08-2010 04:59 PM

duncan Deuteronomy and the book of Joshoa

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I am reading from the Ferrar Fenton Bible. Ferrer translated from the
Registered: Jul 2003 Hebrew and Greek, thus cutting out all of the middle men.
Posts: 9017 .Work on the translation began in 1853 by a London businessman called
Ferrar Fenton (1832–1920). The complete Bible was first published in
1903, though parts were published as separate volumes during the
preceding 11 years. The translation is noted for a rearranging of the books
of the Bible into what the author believed was the correct chronological
order. In the Old Testament, this order follows that of the Hebrew Bible.
The name of God was translated throughout the Old Testament as "The
Ever-Living". The Bible is described as "translated into English direct from
the original Hebrew, Chaldee, and Greek languages." For his translation of
the Book of Job which appeared in 1898, Fenton was assisted by Henrik
Borgström. This was "rendered into the same metre as the original
Hebrew, word by word and line by line". His translation of the New
Testament is based on the Greek text of Westcott and Hort. The ordering
novelty in the New Testament is that it places the Gospel of John and the
First Epistle of John at the beginning before the Gospel of Matthew, thus
placing the Acts of the Apostles immediately after the Gospel of Luke.
http://www.amazon.com/Holy-Bible-Mo...y/dp/9997657365
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History of the English Bible
http://www.williamtyndale.com/0biblehistory.htm
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The Geneva Bible is good but may be tough for some folks to read from.
The Geneva Bible is one of the most historically significant translations of

the Bible in the English language, preceding the King James translation by
51 years. It was the primary Bible of the 16th century Protestant
movement and was the Bible used by William Shakespeare, Oliver
Cromwell, John Milton, John Knox, John Donne, and John Bunyan, author
of Pilgrim's Progress. It was one of the Bibles taken to America on the
Mayflower, it was used by many English Dissenters, and it was still
respected by Oliver Cromwell's soldiers at the time of the English Civil War
New Jerusalem Bible, this one is a newly improved Catholic Bible. Trash
your King James version as it reeks of incorrect translations and attempts
to convice people that Kings and leaders are appointed by God. We are
not required by God to pay taxes or obey false leaders.
The New Jerusalem Bible (NJB) is a Catholic translation of the Bible

published in 1985 and edited by The Reverend Henry Wansbrough, O.S.
B., monk of Ampleforth Abbey in North Yorkshire and former Master of St
Benet's Hall, Oxford.
Like its predecessor, the Jerusalem Bible, this version is translated

"directly from the Hebrew, Greek or Aramaic." The 1973 French
translation, the Bible de Jérusalem, is followed only "where the text
admits to more than one interpretation." Introductions and notes, with

some modifications, are taken from the Bible de Jérusalem[1].
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First, what the Bible says, in full:
"Tell us, then, what You think. Is it lawful to pay taxes [KJV tribute] to
Caesar, or not?" But Jesus, aware of their malice, said, "Why put Me to
the test, you hypocrites? Show Me the money for the tax." And they
brought Him a coin. And Jesus said to them, "Whose likeness and
inscription is this?" They said, "Caesar's." Then He said to them, "Render
therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things
that are God's." (Matthew 22:17-21 RSV)
To add a bit more context, "tribute" refers to the Temple tax that all
Jewish men over 20 were required to pay. In contrast to Roman tax, this
tribute had to be paid using the Jewish half-Shekel (one of their coins)1.
So, going back to what Jesus said, it essentially means "Pay the
government with the government's money, and the temple with the
temple's money." To me, this sounds like the obfuscation of a politician in
response to a direct question. He completely avoided the issue of whether
they should be paying money at all, and instead told him which coin they
should use if they are paying. If one does not wish to pay, they might
infer from this that all they have to do is keep all their money in Jewish
coins.
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Ceaser is dead and as such I can't pay a dead guy any tax. Ceaser was a
tyrant and a dictator who ruled by decree. I don't live under a tyranny, I
live in a Consitutional Repbulic in which the politician is beneath the
people and the government worker is the unwanted employee of the
people. We are the masters not the politicians and not the state
employee, with these facts in mind then of course I owe the state nothing
and am not required to obey the false authority of men.
Ask yourselves these questions. Did God appoint Hilter to rule? If so then
the murder of six million Jews is alright with God? Did God appoint an
atheist liek Stalin to rule over other men? The murder of 20 million
Russians is ok under God's laws? Did God appoint Mombo the clown to
rule over us? No to all of the above.
That render unto Ceaser's crap is the poor translation of King James, who
was a tryant and supported the false idea that all Kings and leaders are
appointed by God. I owe Mombo and the fed nothing and I don't work for
the fed nor am I a slave to the fed.
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duncan Render Unto Caesar: A Most Misunderstood New Testament Passage

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by Jeffrey F. Barr
I. INTRODUCTION
Christians have traditionally interpreted the famous passage "Render

therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's; and to God, the things
that are God's," to mean that Jesus endorsed paying taxes. This view
was first expounded by St. Justin Martyr in Chapter XVII of his First
Apology, who wrote,
And everywhere we, more readily than all men, endeavor to pay to those
appointed by you the taxes both ordinary and extraordinary, as we have
been taught by Him; for at that time some came to Him and asked Him,
if one ought to pay tribute to Caesar; and He answered, ‘Tell Me, whose
image does the coin bear?’ And they said, ‘Caesar’s.’
The passage appears to be important and well-known to the early

Christian community. The Gospels of St. Matthew, St. Mark, and St. Luke
recount this "Tribute Episode" nearly verbatim. Even Saying 100 of non-
canonical Gospel of Thomas and Fragment 2 Recto of the Egerton Gospel
record the scene, albeit with some variations from the Canon.
But by His enigmatic response, did Jesus really mean for His followers to
provide financial support (willingly or unwillingly) to Tiberius Caesar – a
man, who, in his personal life, was a pedophile, a sexual deviant, and a
murderer and who, as emperor, claimed to be a god and oppressed and
enslaved millions of people, including Jesus’ own? The answer, of course,
is: the traditional, pro-tax interpretation of the Tribute Episode is simply
wrong. Jesus never meant for His answer to be interpreted as an
endorsement of Caesar’s tribute or any taxes.
This essay examines four dimensions of the Tribute Episode: the

historical setting of the Episode; the rhetorical structure of the Episode
itself; the context of the scene within the Gospels; and finally, how the
Catholic Church, Herself, has understood the Tribute Episode. These
dimensions point to one conclusion: the Tribute Episode does not stand
for the proposition that it is morally obligatory to pay taxes.
The objective of this piece is not to provide a complete exegesis on the

Tribute Episode. Rather, it is simply to show that the traditional, pro-tax
interpretation of the Tribute Episode is utterly untenable. The passage
unequivocally does not stand for the proposition that Jesus thought it
was morally obligatory to pay taxes.
II. THE HISTORICAL SETTING: THE UNDERCURRENT OF TAX REVOLT
In 6 A.D., Roman occupiers of Palestine imposed a census tax on the

Jewish people. The tribute was not well-received, and by 17 A.D., Tacitus
reports in Book II.42 of the Annals, "The provinces, too, of Syria and
Judaea, exhausted by their burdens, implored a reduction of tribute." A
tax-revolt, led by Judas the Galilean, soon ensued. Judas the Galilean
taught that "taxation was no better than an introduction to slavery," and

he and his followers had "an inviolable attachment to liberty,"

recognizing God, alone, as king and ruler of Israel. The Romans brutally
combated the uprising for decades. Two of Judas’ sons were crucified in
46 A.D., and a third was an early leader of the 66 A.D. Jewish revolt.
Thus, payment of the tribute conveniently encapsulated the deeper
philosophical, political, and theological issue: Either God and His divine
laws were supreme, or the Roman emperor and his pagan laws were
supreme.
This undercurrent of tax-revolt flowed throughout Judaea during Jesus’

ministry. All three synoptic Gospels place the episode immediately after
Jesus’ triumphal entry into Jerusalem in which throngs of people
proclaimed Him king, as St. Matthew states, "And when he entered
Jerusalem the whole city was shaken and asked, ‘Who is this?’ And the
crowds replied, ‘This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth in Galilee." All
three agree that this scene takes place near the celebration of the
Passover, one of the holiest of Jewish feast days. Passover
commemorates God’s deliverance of the Israelites from Egyptian slavery
and also celebrates the divine restoration of the Israelites to the land of
Israel, land then-occupied by the Romans. Jewish pilgrims from
throughout Judaea would have been streaming into Jerusalem to fulfill
their periodic religious duties at the temple.
Because of the mass of pilgrims, the Roman procurator of Judaea,

Pontius Pilate, had also temporarily taken up residence in Jerusalem
along with a multitude of troops so as to suppress any religious violence.
In her work, Pontius Pilate: The Biography of an Invented Man, Ann
Wroe described Pilate as the emperor’s chief soldier, chief magistrate,
head of the judicial system, and above all, the chief tax collector. In
Book XXXVIII of On the Embassy to Gaius, Philo has depicted Pilate as
"cruel," "exceedingly angry," and "a man of most ferocious passions,"
who had a "habit of insulting people" and murdering them "untried and
uncondemned" with the "most grievous inhumanity." Just a few years
prior to Jesus’ ministry, the image of Caesar nearly precipitated an
insurrection in Jerusalem when Pilate, by cover of night, surreptitiously
erected effigies of the emperor on the fortress Antonia, adjoining the
Jewish Temple; Jewish law forbade both the creation of graven images
and their introduction into holy city of Jerusalem. Pilate averted a
bloodbath only by removing the images.
In short, Jerusalem would have been a hot-bed of political and religious

fervor, and it is against this background that the Tribute Episode
unfolded.
III. THE RHETORICAL STRUCTURE OF THE TRIBUTE EPISODE
[15] Then the Pharisees going, consulted among themselves how to

insnare him in his speech. [16] And they sent to him their disciples with
the Herodians, saying: Master, we know that thou art a true speaker and
teachest the way of God in truth. Neither carest thou for any man: for
thou dost not regard the person of men. [17] Tell us therefore what dost
thou think? Is it lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not? [18] But Jesus
knowing their wickedness, said: Why do you tempt me, ye hypocrites?
[19] Show me the coin of the tribute. And they offered him a penny
[literally, in Latin, "denarium," a denarius]. [20] And Jesus saith to

them: Whose image and inscription is this? [21] They say to him:
Caesar's. Then he saith to them: Render therefore to Caesar the things
that are Caesar's; and to God, the things that are God's. [22] And
hearing this, they wondered and, leaving him, went their ways. Matt
22:15–22 (Douay-Rheims translation).
A. THE QUESTION
All three synoptic Gospels open the scene with a plot to trap Jesus. The
questioners begin with, what is in their minds, false flattery – "Master [or
Teacher or Rabbi] we know that you are a true speaker and teach the
way of God in truth." As David Owen-Ball forcefully argues in his 1993
article, "Rabbinic Rhetoric and the Tribute Passage," this opening
statement is also a challenge to Jesus’ rabbinic authority; it is a halakhic
question – a question on a point of religious law. The Pharisees believed
that they, alone, were the authoritative interpreters of Jewish law. By
appealing to Jesus’ authority to interpret God’s law, the questioners
accomplish two goals: (1) they force Jesus to answer the question; if
Jesus refuses, He will lose credibility as a Rabbi with the very people who
just proclaimed Him a King; and (2) they force Jesus to base this answer
in Scripture. Thus, they are testing His scriptural knowledge and hoping
to discredit Him if He cannot escape a prima facie intractable
interrogatory. As Owen-Ball states, "The gospel writers thus describe a
scene in which Jesus’ questioners have boxed him in. He is tempted to
assume, illegitimately, the authority of a Rabbi, while at the same time
he is constrained to answer according to the dictates of the Torah."
The questioners then pose their malevolently brilliant question: "Is it

lawful to give tribute to Caesar, or not?" That is, is it licit under the Torah
to pay taxes to the Romans? At some point, Jesus must have led His
questioners to believe that He opposed the tribute; otherwise His
questioners would not have posed the question in the first instance. As
John Howard Yoder argues in his book, The Politics of Jesus: vicit Agnus
noster, "It is hard to see how the denarius question could have been
thought by those who put it to be a serious trap, unless Jesus’
repudiation of the Roman occupation were taken for granted, so that he
could be expected to give an answer which would enable them to
denounce him."
If Jesus says that it is lawful to pay the tribute, He would have been seen
as a collaborator with the Roman occupiers and would alienate the
people who had just proclaimed Him a king. If Jesus says that the tribute
is illegitimate, He risked being branded a political criminal and incurring
the wrath of Rome. With either answer, someone would have been likely
to kill Him.
Jesus immediately recognizes the trap. He exposes the hostility and the
hypocrisy of His interrogators and recognizes that His questioners are
daring Him to enter the temporal fray of Judeo-Roman politics.
B. THE COIN
Instead of jumping into the political discussion, though, Jesus curiously

requests to see the coin of the tribute. It is not necessary that Jesus
possess the coin to answer their question. He could certainly respond
without seeing the coin. That He requests to see the coin suggests that

there is something meaningful about the coin itself.
In the Tribute Episode, the questioners produce a denarius. The denarius

was approximately 1/10 of a troy ounce (at that time about 3.9 grams)
of silver and roughly worth a day’s wages for a common laborer. The
denarius was a remarkably stable currency; Roman emperors did not
begin debasing it with any vigor until Nero. The denarius in question
would have been issued by the Emperor Tiberius, whose reign coincided
with Jesus’ ministry. Where Augustus issued hundreds of denarii,
Ethelbert Stauffer, in his masterful, Christ and the Caesars, reports that
Tiberius issued only three, and of those three, two are relatively rare,
and the third is quite common. Tiberius preferred this third and issued it
from his personal mint for twenty years. The denarius was truly the
emperor’s property: he used it to pay his soldiers, officials, and
suppliers; it bore the imperial seal; it differed from the copper coins
issued by the Roman Senate, and it was also the coin with which
subjected peoples, in theory, were required to pay the tribute. Tiberius
even made it a capital crime to carry any coin stamped with his image
into a bathroom or a brothel. In short, the denarius was a tangible
representation of the emperor’s power, wealth, deification, and
subjugation.
Tiberius’ denarii were minted at Lugdunum, modern-day Lyons, in Gaul.

Thus, J. Spencer Kennard, in a well-crafted, but out-of-print book
entitled Render to God, argues that the denarius’ circulation in Judaea
was likely scarce. The only people to transact routinely with the denarius
in Judaea would have been soldiers, Roman officials, and Jewish leaders
in collaboration with Rome. Thus, it is noteworthy that Jesus, Himself,
does not possess the coin. The questioners’ quickness to produce the
coin at Jesus’ request implies that they routinely used it, taking
advantage of Roman financial largess, whereas Jesus did not. Moreover,
the Tribute Episode takes place in the Temple, and by producing the
coin, the questioners reveal their religious hypocrisy – they bring a
potentially profane item, the coin of a pagan, into the sacred space of
the Temple.
Finally, both Stauffer and Kennard make the magnificent point that coins
of the ancient world were the major instrument of imperial propaganda,
promoting agendas and promulgating the deeds of their issuers, in
particular the apotheosis of the emperor. As Kennard puts it, "For
indoctrinating the peoples of the empire with the deity of the emperor,
coins excelled all other media. They went everywhere and were handled
by everyone. Their subtle symbolism pervaded every home." While
Tiberius’ propaganda engine was not as prolific as Augustus’ machine, all
of Tiberius’ denarii pronounced his divinity or his debt to the deified
Augustus.
C. THE COUNTER-QUESTION AND ITS ANSWER
After seeing the coin, Jesus then poses a counter-question, "Whose

image and inscription is this?" It is again noteworthy that this counter-
question and its answer are not necessary to answer the original
question of whether it is licit to pay tribute to Caesar. That Jesus asks
the counter-question suggests that it and its answer are significant.
(1) Why Is The Counter-Question Important?

The counter-question is significant for two reasons.
First, Owen-Ball argues that the counter-question follows a pattern of

formal rhetoric common in first century rabbinic literature in which (1) an
outsider poses a hostile question to a rabbi; (2) the rabbi responds with
a counter-question; (3) by answering the counter-question, the
outsider’s position becomes vulnerable to attack; and (4) the rabbi then
uses the answer to the counter-question to refute the hostile question.
Jesus’ use of this rhetorical form is one way to establish His authority as
a rabbi, not unlike a modern lawyer who uses a formal, legal rhetoric in
the courtroom. Moreover, the point of the rhetorical exchange is
ultimately to refute the hostile question.
Second, because the hostile question was a direct challenge to Jesus’

authority as a rabbi on a point of law, His interrogators would have
expected a counter-question grounded in scripture, in particular, based
upon the Torah. Two words, "image" and "inscription," in the counter-
question harkens to two central provisions in the Torah, the First
(Second) Commandment and the Shema. These provide the scriptural
basis for this question of law.
God Prohibits False Images. The First (Second) Commandment prohibits

worship of anyone or anything but God, and it also forbids crafting any
image of a false god for adoration, "I am the Lord thy God, who brought
thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage. Thou shalt
not have strange gods before me. Thou shalt not make to thyself a
graven thing, nor the likeness [image] of any thing…." God demands the
exclusive allegiance of His people. Jesus’ use of the word, "image," in the
counter-question reminds His questioners of the First (Second)
Commandment’s requirement to venerate God first and its concomitant
prohibition against creating images of false gods.
The Shema Demands The Worship Of God Alone. Jesus’ use of the word
"inscription" alludes to the Shema. The Shema is a Jewish prayer based
upon Deuteronomy 6:4–9, 11:13–21 and Numbers 15:37–41 and is the
most important prayer a pious Jew can say. It commences with the
words, "Shema Yisrael Adonai Eloheinu Adonai Echad," which can be
translated, "Hear, O Israel, the Lord is our God – the Lord alone." This
opening line stresses Israel’s worship of God to the exclusion of all other
gods. The Shema then commands a person to love God with his whole
heart, whole soul, and whole strength. The Shema further requires
worshipers to keep the words of the Shema in their hearts, to instruct
their children in them, to bind them on their hands and foreheads, and to
inscribe them conspicuously on their doorposts and on the gates to their
cities. Observant Jews take literally the command to bind the words upon
their arms and foreheads and wear tefillin, little leather cases which
contain parchment on which are inscribed certain passages from the
Torah. Words of the Shema were to be metaphorically inscribed in the
hearts, minds, and souls of pious Jews and physically inscribed on
parchment in tefillin, on doorposts, and on city gates. St. Matthew and
St. Mark both recount Jesus quoting the Shema in the same chapter just
a few verses after the Tribute Episode. This proximity further reinforces
the reference to the Shema in the Tribute Episode. Finally, it is
noteworthy that when Satan tempts Jesus by offering Him all the
kingdoms of the [Roman] world in exchange for His worship, Jesus

rebukes Satan by quoting the Shema. In short, Jesus means to call

attention to the Shema by using the word "inscription" in the counter-
question as His appeal to scriptural authority for His response.
(2) Why Is The Answer To The Counter-Question Important?
The answer to the counter-question is significant for two reasons.
First, while the verbal answer to the counter-question of whose image

and inscription the coin bears is a feeble, "Caesar’s," the actual image
and inscription is much more revealing. The front of the denarius shows
a profiled bust of Tiberius crowned with the laurels of victory and
divinity. Even a modern viewer would immediately recognize that the
person depicted on the coin is a Roman emperor. Circumscribed around
Tiberius is an abbreviation, "TI CAESAR DIVI AUG F AUGUSTUS," which
stands for "Tiberius Caesar Divi August Fili Augustus," which, in turn,
translates, "Tiberius Caesar, Worshipful Son of the God, Augustus."
On the obverse sits the Roman goddess of peace, Pax, and circumscribed
around her is the abbreviation, "Pontif Maxim," which stands for
"Pontifex Maximus," which, in turn, means, "High Priest."
The coin of the Tribute Episode is a fine specimen of Roman propaganda.

It imposes the cult of emperor worship and asserts Caesar’s sovereignty
upon all who transact with it.
In the most richly ironic passage in the entire Bible, all three synoptic
Gospels depict the Son of God and the High Priest of Peace, newly-
proclaimed by His people to be a King, holding the tiny silver coin of a
king who claims to be the son of a god and the high priest of Roman
peace.
The second reason the answer is significant is that in following the

pattern of rabbinic rhetoric, the answer exposes the hostile questioners’
position to attack. It is again noteworthy that the interrogators’ answer
to Jesus’ counter-question about the coin’s image and inscription bears
little relevance to their original question as to whether it is licit to pay the
tribute. Jesus could certainly answer their original question without their
answer to His counter-question. But the rhetorical function of the answer
to the counter-question is to demonstrate the vulnerability of the
opponent’s position and use that answer to refute the opponent’s
original, hostile question.
D. REFUTING BY RENDERING UNTO GOD
In the Tribute Episode, it is only after Jesus’ counter-question is asked

and answered does He respond to the original question. Jesus tells His
interrogators, "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s;
and to God, the things that are God’s." This response begs the question
of what is licitly God’s and what is licitly Caesar’s.
In the Hebrew tradition, everything rightfully belonged to God. By using

the words, "image and inscription," Jesus has already reminded His
interrogators that God was owed exclusive allegiance and total love and

worship. Similarly, everything economically belonged to God as well. For

example, the physical land of Israel was God’s, as He instructed in
Leviticus 25:23, "The land [of Israel] shall not be sold in perpetuity; for
the land is mine, and you [the Israelites] are but aliens who have
become my tenants." In addition, the Jewish people were to dedicate the
firstfruits, that first portion of any harvest and the first-born of any
animal, to God. By giving God the firstfruits, the Jewish people
acknowledged that all good things came from God and that all things, in
turn, belonged to God. God even declares, "Mine is the silver and mine
the gold."
The emperor, on the other hand, also claimed that all people and things
in the empire rightfully belonged to Rome. The denarius notified
everyone who transacted with it that the emperor demanded exclusive
allegiance and, at least, the pretense of worship – Tiberius claimed to be
the worshipful son of a god. Roman occupiers served as a constant
reminder that the land of Israel belonged to Rome. Roman tribute, paid
with Roman currency, impressed upon the populace that the economic
life depended on the emperor. The emperor’s bread and circuses
maintained political order. The propaganda on the coin even attributed
peace and tranquility to the emperor.
With one straightforward counter-question, Jesus skillfully points out that

the claims of God and Caesar are mutually exclusive. If one’s faith is in
God, then God is owed everything; Caesar’s claims are necessarily
illegitimate, and he is therefore owed nothing. If, on the other hand,
one’s faith is in Caesar, God’s claims are illegitimate, and Caesar is
owed, at the very least, the coin which bears his image.
Jesus’ counter-question simply invites His listeners to choose allegiances.

Remarkably, He has escaped the trap through a clever rhetorical gambit;
He has authoritatively refuted His opponents’ hostile question by basing
His answer in scripture, and yet, He never overtly answers the question
originally posed to Him. No wonder that St. Matthew ends the Tribute
Episode this way: "When they heard this they were amazed, and leaving
him they went away."
IV. THE CONTEXT IN THE GOSPELS: A TRADITION OF SUBTLE SEDITION
Subtle sedition refers to scenes throughout the Gospels which were not
overtly treasonous and would not have directly threatened Roman
authorities, but which delivered political messages that first century
Jewish audiences would have immediately recognized. The Gospels are
replete with instances of subtle sedition. Pointing these out is not to
argue that Jesus saw Himself as a political king. Jesus makes it explicit in
John 18:36 that He is not a political Messiah. Rather, in the context of
subtle sedition, no one can interpret the Tribute Episode as Jesus’
support of taxation. To the contrary, one can only understand the Tribute
Episode as Jesus’ opposition to the illicit Roman taxes.
In addition to the Tribute Episode, three other scenes from the Gospels
serve as examples of subtle sedition: (1) Jesus’ temptation in the desert;
(2) Jesus walking on water; and (3) Jesus curing the Gerasene demoniac.
A. EMPERORS OF BREAD AND CIRCUSES
Around 200 A.D., the Roman satirist Juvenal lamented that the Roman

emperors, masters of the known world, tenuously maintained political

power by way of "panem et circenses," or "bread and circuses," a
reference to the ancient practice of pandering to Roman citizens by
providing free wheat and costly circus spectacles. Caesar Augustus, for
example, boasted of feeding more than 100,000 men from his personal
granary. He also bragged of putting on tremendous exhibitions:
Three times I gave shows of gladiators under my name and five times
under the name of my sons and grandsons; in these shows about 10,000
men fought. * * * Twenty-six times, under my name or that of my sons
and grandsons, I gave the people hunts of African beasts in the circus, in
the open, or in the amphitheater; in them about 3,500 beasts were
killed. I gave the people a spectacle of a naval battle, in the place across
the Tiber where the grove of the Caesars is now, with the ground
excavated in length 1,800 feet, in width 1,200, in which thirty beaked
ships, biremes or triremes, but many smaller, fought among themselves;
in these ships about 3,000 men fought in addition to the rowers.
By the time of Jesus and the reign of Tiberius Caesar, the Roman grain
dole routinely fed 200,000 people.
At the beginning of Jesus’ ministry, the Spirit led Him into the desert "to
be tempted by the devil." The devil challenged Him with three tests.
First, he dared Jesus to turn stones into bread. Second, the devil took
Jesus to the highest point on the temple in Jerusalem and tempted Him
to cast Himself down to force the angels into a spectacular, miraculous
rescue. Finally, for the last temptation, "the devil took him up to a very
high mountain, and showed him all the kingdoms of the world in their
magnificence, and he said to him, ‘All these I shall give to you, if you will
prostrate yourself and worship me.’"
The devil dared Jesus to be a king of bread and circuses and offered Him
dominion over the whole earthly world. These temptations are an
instantly recognizable reference to the power of the Roman emperors.
Jesus forcefully rejects this power. Jesus’ rejection illustrates that the
things of God and the things of Rome/the world/the devil are mutually
exclusive. Jesus’ allegiance was to the things of God, and His rebuff of
the metaphorical power of Rome is an example of subtle sedition.
B. TREADING UPON THE EMPEROR’S SEAS
At the beginning of Chapter 6 in St. John’s Gospel, Jesus performs a

miracle and feeds 5,000 people from five loaves of bread; He then
refuses to be crowned a king of bread and circuses. Immediately
thereafter, St. John recounts the episode of Jesus walking on a body of
water in the middle of a storm. That body of water was the Sea of
Galilee, which, St. John reminds his readers, was also known as the Sea
of Tiberias. Around 25 A.D., Herod Antipas built a pagan city on the
western shore of the Sea of Galilee and named it in honor of the Roman
emperor, Tiberius. By Jesus’ time, the city had become so important that
the Sea of Galilee came to be called the "Sea of Tiberias." Thus, not only
does Jesus refuse to be coronated a Roman king of bread and circuses,
but He literally treads upon the emperor’s seas, showing that even the
emperor’s waters have no dominion over Him. Treading on the emperor’s
seas is an additional instance of subtle sedition.

C. A LEGION OF DEMONS
St. Mark details Jesus’ encounter with the Gerasene demoniac in another
example of subtle sedition. The territory of the Gerasenes was pagan
territory, and this particular demoniac was exceptionally strong and
frightening. In attempting to exorcise the demon, Jesus asked its name.
The demon replied, "Legion is my name. There are many of us." Jesus
then expels the demons and casts them into a herd of swine. The herd
immediately drive themselves into the sea. First century readers would
have been well-acquainted with the name, "Legion." At that time, an
imperial legion was roughly 6,000 soldiers. Thus, the demon "Legion," an
agent of the devil, was a thinly-veiled reference to the Roman occupiers
of Judaea. Swine were considered unclean animals under Jewish law. The
symbol of the Roman Legion which occupied Jerusalem was a boar. The
first century audience would have easily grasped the symbolism of Jesus’
casting the demon Legion into the herd of unclean swine, and the herd
driving itself into the sea. Thus, the healing of the Gerasene demoniac is
another example of subtle sedition.
D. TRIBUTE AS SUBTLE SEDITION
In the Tribute Episode, Jesus’ response is subtly seditious. The first-

century audience would have immediately apprehended what it meant to
render unto God the things that are God’s. They would have known that
the things of God and Caesar were mutually exclusive. No Jewish listener
would have mistaken Jesus’ response as an endorsement of paying
Caesar’s taxes. To the contrary, His audience would have understood
that Jesus thought the tribute was illicit. Indeed, opposition to the tribute
was one of the charges the authorities levied at His trial, "They brought
charges against him, saying, ‘We found this man misleading our people;
he opposes the payment of taxes to Caesar and maintains that he is the
Messiah, a king.’" To the Roman audience, however, the pronouncement
of rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s sounds benign, almost
supportive. It is, however, one of many vignettes of covert political
protest contained in the Gospels. In short, the Tribute Episode is a subtle
form of sedition. When viewed in this context, no one can say that the
Episode supports the payment of taxes.
V. WHAT DOES THE CATHOLIC CHURCH SAY?
The Catholic Church considers Herself the authoritative interpreter of

Sacred Scripture. The 1994 Catechism of the Catholic Church "is a
statement of the Church’s faith and of catholic doctrine, attested to or
illumined by Sacred Scripture, the Apostolic Tradition, and the Church’s
Magisterium."
The 1994 Catechism instructs the faithful that it is morally obligatory to

pay one’s taxes for the common good. (What the definition of the
"common good" is may be left for a different debate.) The 1994
Catechism also quotes and cites the Tribute Episode. But the 1994
Catechism does NOT use the Tribute Episode to support the proposition
that it is morally obligatory to pay taxes. Instead, the 1994 Catechism
refers the Tribute Episode only to justify acts of civil disobedience. It
quotes St. Matthew’s version to teach that a Christian must refuse to
obey political authority when that political authority makes a demand

contrary to the demands of the moral order, the fundamental rights of

persons, or the teachings of the Gospel. Similarly, the 1994 Catechism
also cites to St. Mark’s version to instruct that a person "should not
submit his personal freedom in an absolute manner to any earthly
power, but only to God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ: Caesar is
not ‘the Lord.’" Thus, according to the 1994 Catechism, the Tribute
Episode stands for the proposition that a Christian owes his allegiance to
God and to the things of God alone. If the Tribute Episode unequivocally
supported the proposition that it is morally obligatory to pay taxes, the
1994 Catechism would not hesitate to cite to it for that position. That the
1994 Catechism does not interpret the Tribute Episode as a justification
for the payment of taxes suggests that such an interpretation is not an
authoritative reading of the passage. In short, even the Catholic Church
does not understand the Tribute Episode to mean that Jesus endorsed
paying Caesar’s taxes.
V. CONCLUSION
St. John’s Gospel recounts the scene of a woman caught in adultery,

brought before Jesus by the Pharisees so that they might "test" Him "so
that they could have some charge to bring against Him." When asked,
"‘Teacher, this woman was caught in the very act of committing adultery.
Now in the law, Moses commanded us to stone such women. So what do
you say,’" Jesus appears trapped by only two answers: the strict, legally-
correct answer of the Pharisees, or the mercifully-right, morally-correct,
but technically-illegal answer undermining Jesus’ authority as a Rabbi.
Notably, Jesus never does overtly respond to the question posed to Him;
instead of answering, "Jesus bent down and began to write on the
ground with his finger." When pressed by His inquisitors, He finally
answers, "‘Let the one among you who is without sin be the first to throw
a stone at her,’" and, of course, the shamed Pharisees all leave one by
one. Jesus then refuses to condemn the woman.
The scene of the woman caught in adultery and the Tribute Episode are
similar. In both, Jesus is faced with a hostile question challenging His
credibility as a Rabbi. In each, the hostile question has two answers: one
answer which the audience knows is morally correct, but politically
incorrect, and the other answer which the audience knows is wrong, but
politically correct. In the scene of the woman caught in adultery, no one
roots for Jesus to say, "Stone her!" Everyone wants to see Jesus extend
the woman mercy. Likewise, in the Tribute Episode, no one hopes Jesus
answers, "Pay tribute to the pagan, Roman oppressors!" The Tribute
Episode, like the scene of the woman caught in adultery, has a "right"
answer – it is not licit to pay the tribute. But Jesus cannot give this
"right" answer without running afoul of the Roman government. Instead,
in both Gospel accounts, Jesus gives a quick-witted, but ultimately
ambiguous, response which exposes the hypocrisy of His interrogators
rather than overtly answers the underlying question posed by them.
Nevertheless, in each instance, the audience can infer the right answer
embedded in Jesus’ response.
Over the centuries, theologians, scholars, laymen, and potentates have

interpreted the Tribute Episode incorrectly as Jesus’ support for the
payment of taxes. First, this interpretation does not square with the
political climate of the times. The Tribute Episode is set in the middle of a
decades-old tax-revolt against Caesar’s tribute. Second, the rhetorical

structure of the Tribute Episode, itself, contradicts any interpretation that

Jesus supported paying taxes. Third, the Gospels contain episode after
episode of subtle sedition. The Tribute Episode is just another of these
subtly seditious scenes. When seen in the context of subtle sedition, the
phrase "Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s," means that
the emperor is owed nothing. Finally, the Catechism of the Catholic
Church, the authoritative interpreter of Sacred Scripture, does not
construe the Tribute Episode to support the proposition that it is morally
obligatory to pay one’s taxes. Indeed, it interprets the Tribute Episode to
mean the exact opposite – that Christians are obliged to disobey Caesar
when Caesar’s dictates violate God’s law. In sum, the pro-tax position of
the Tribute Episode is not supportable historically, rhetorically,
contextually, or within the confines of the Catholic Church’s own
understanding. As Dorothy Day is reputed to have said, "If we rendered
unto God all the things that belong to God, there would be nothing left
for Caesar."
March 17, 2010
Jeff Barr [send him mail] practices law in Las Vegas, Nevada. He
received a Master's Degree in Business Administration from UNLV where
he took classes from Hans-Hermann Hoppe and Murray Rothbard.
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Katherine Andrade 24 white American
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Canadian Floyd Houtman 61 black

American Sherri Jewell 43 Asian
American David M. Jones 38 white
American David Koresh 33 white
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nealcassady234 What Waco means to me!

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:sniper: I NEVER FORGOT WACO OR RUBY RIDGE AND

Registered: Oct 2003 WHAT THIS MEANS TO ME.
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1) WACO means that BATF can concoct a bogus search
warrant as a pretext to shoot, kill, harass, and murder
women, children and anybody in the way.
2) BATF went after Koresh because they needed a public

relations victory to go to Congress for more money. The
individual planners did it to make a name for themselves
and climb the ladder of power. SELFISHNESS WAS THE
RULE OF THE DAY.
3) BATF had the option of not using a "no knock raid"

because Koresh invited the BATF undercover officer
living near by.....to come on in and check the weapons
for any violations of federal gun laws.
4) BATF like all copscum.....use a criminal violation to

unleash their "anger retaliation overkill signature" as
part of their m.o. to demonize, scapegoat and kill
anybody they want to neutralize because they disagree
with someone's beliefs.
5) BATF also lit the fuse on The Ruby Ridge disaster by

entrapping Randy Weaver using cash waved in the face
of a poor man who had kids to feed. This shows that
copscum considers all citizens and their families as
"mere collateral damage" to be used, abused, and
entrapped as part of a higher reaching attempt at
getting to someone bigger who would make a headline
bust. Thus the whole cop game is nothing but SELFISH
CARREER ENHANCEMENT WITH THE BILL OR RIGHTS
AND LITTLE PEOPLE BEING USED AS PAWNS.
6) THE FBI has proven themselves to be just as stupid,

violent, rogue, and criminal........as BATF. The idiot
militarized junior G.Gordon Liddy's at FBI felt it
necessary to unilaterally rewrite "the rules of
engagement" for incident responses......to make sure
Lon "the momma killer" Horiuchi or Steve "PR shill"
Whitcomb of The FBI Hostage Rescue Team (which I
refer to as The FBI Right Wing Death Squad) will shoot
and kill and intentionally murder Vicki Weaver holding
her baby.

7) The response by US DOJ shows there is no justice for

federal cop crimes. No charges were filed. And Director
Louis Freeh didn't even fire The FBI faggot
responsible......instead Freeh tried to reward his pal by
promiting him to Assistant Director?....which was
stopped by Congress?!
8) The idiot FBI at Waco.....being the brilliant,

compassionate, big, brave heros felt it was a good idea
to play tapes of rabbits being butchered over loud
speakers so the terrified Davidian children could be
further traumatized. The FBI also thought it a good idea
to direct spotlights at the Davidian children. The brilliant
FBI scum also thought it a good idea to enrage Koresh
by running over his cars and toys with Bradley fighting
vehicles?!!!
And the brilliant FBI couldn't figure out why Koresh

would not negotiate?! Any Hostage negotiator will tell
you "it is a good idea to provoke an unstable personality
into doing something irrational." So.........then the
brilliant FBI idiots decided to put a flammable gas into a
building inwhich open flames were used since the
electricity had been cut off? Is it any wonder how fast
that church went up?
9) I point out that The FBI idiots also were seen by

Texas Rangers carting off and losing the front door
proving that all bullets entered the door with none
exiting the door?!
Also....read FBI faggot Chris Whitcomb's book "Cold

Zero" about serving in The FBI Hostage Rescue Team at
Ruby Ridge and Waco to see how the FBI refuses to
comment on obvious embarassing issues prefering
instead to demonize Weaver and Koresh claiming "the
had it coming to them.......and zero tolerence
responsibility by the criminal for FBI murder."
Read Whitcomb's book to see "how an idiot brainwashed

by a corrupt, voilent police culture.......can ignore the
obvious embarassing facts and issues that crop up."
Listen to Whitcomb (who is frequently on TV now as The

FBI PR flake preserving FBI doublespeak) whine like a
punk about how hard emotionally it was for the baby
burners and momma killers of The FBI Hostage Murder

Squad. Whitcomb even talks about how depressed and

broken the idiot FBI scum were when they finally were
faced with the truth about their own evil. Whitcomb had
to even take a spiritual journey to rid himself of the
truth by driving his motorcycle aimlessly down to Florida
abandoning his children?!
And I have to ask Whitfaggot and his baby burning

buddies.....how do you think the Davidian mothers and
fathers felt about the fedscum killing them and their
children?...and then The US DOJ actually filed charges
on peaceful non violent Davidians for defending
themselves from murdering goons?
10) WACO proves that the feds can commit any crime,
including murder, and the victim will be charged with
defending himself?!
And by some strange logic I just can't quite buy into.......

it seems that America apathetically stands by without a
word or comment or any action. This is called a police
state.
11) Even more disgusting was watching Janet "the FBI

dick sucker" Reno defend herself viciously in front of
Congress in which Reno did not utter the truth
that........."from the get go....FBI was out of control,
unprofessional, and did everything they could to make a
bad situation even worse........" Reno did not say "...I
will not ever trust the lying FBI scum again because they
are far more dangerous then the targets of surveillance."
12) And to you FBI miserable scum........feel free to

discuss these comments at (605)339-0503 or get my
emai address from The Sioux Falls FBI faggot case agent
who daily adds my emails to my file..............and by the
way, Sioux Falls FBI case agent faggot, "Do you mind
mailing me my two handwritten journals and emails that
you stole from me at The University of Sioux Falls main
library?....I saw you stakeing out the long tables
downstairs to find my cache of information...and I really
don't think there is anything incriminating there since
my opinions are all products of a never ending 12 year,
idiotic, rogue, lawless FBI surveillance that has literally
gone absolutely nowhere towards conviction or
indictment for any specific federal offense....and you
know it and the local federal prosecutor knows it.

And I point out to my local Sioux Falls Fed Prosecutor

and FBI idiots................have you heard of the word
"Entrapment" in which copscum harass, assault, stalk,
sabotage, and illegally wiretap an innocent person for 12
years until the cop idiots create a monster to demonize
all the while denying their complicity in the harassment
which amounts to entrapment.
So lets see you scum explain the Austin, Texas,

harassment by your baby burning buddies down south?
And by the way...FBI....call me on the phone anytime at

(605) 339-0503 to ask me some questions that I,
Thomas S. Bean of Sioux Falls, South Dakota, is not
afraid to answer.
11-12-2003 07:45 PM
Mack There's no government-issued immunity that shields

Assistant Moderator these cold-blooded murderers from the basic laws of
morality.
Hopefully they will get what they have coming to them,

one way or another...
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11-13-2003 04:47 AM
nealcassady234 Some animals are just more equal than others

Senior Member

Location:
Posts: 654 The truth about Waco and Ruby Ridge is........the
FBI and cops can do anything they want regardless of
the rule of law.....we have lost everything worth living in
America for....because the cops, prosecutors and judges
have all taken all the power away from us....and very
few people even careless because they NEVER HAVE TO
DEAL WITH THE POLICE STATE.
Anybody dealing with the police state ends up with utter

and total contempt for cops, prosecutors and judges.
And.........when the police state starts making enemies

out of everybody....that's when you know a revolution is
coming down the pipe.
11-13-2003 09:10 PM
Darryl This is as much my country as it is your crooked

Senior Member coppers. You leave I'm Staying.
Another person who was screwed over by crooked cops
Registered: Jul 2003 and have joined the fight for justice.
Location: There is a big diffrence between crooks and us. You do
Posts: 755
what you do for money!!! We do what we do because we
believe.
12-05-2003 04:38 AM

nealcassady234 I never forgot....harassing the Davidian Children

Senior Member
:sniper: I never forgot Waco.......and I never stopped

Registered: Oct 2003 thinking about what went wrong.............and how it was
Location:
Posts: 654 a total indictiment of not only BATF but also FBI who
consider themselves the premier law enforcement
organization in the world.
And what we saw was BATF trying to get more money

(what do you expect form a ***...but gluttony and
selfishness) by making a headline case using the Branch
Davidians as the scapegoat....the sacrificial lamb.
And BATF scum....actually had a couple of undercovers

living close by who would engage Koresh in
conversation....and Koresh knew they were cops........so
he invited them to check out his weapons for any
violations................and BATF knew this........and still
chose a no knock serch with guns a blazing.
From a book written by one of the Davidians....we find

out that Koresh was tipped off....and answered the door
and invited the idiots in without any violence.............
and of course BATF scum started shooting.....puttting
holes in the door (the door seen by the Texas Rangers
carted off by The FBI).......and those entry holes were
seen by defense attorney Dick DeGueren who said he
saw no exit holes....just entry holes?).
After BATF gets smoked while being idiots.............The

Faggot Bureau of Incompetence shows up with a brilliant
plan formulated on the theory it's a good idea to rattle
Koresh into surrender by playing annoying music and
tapes of rabbits squelling....and search lights....and
cutting off the power and utilities to use as a bargaining
chip....and running Koresh's car and toys over with a
Bradley fighting vehicle despite the Posse Comitatus Act
prohibiting the military to ever intervene in civil law
enforcement matters......And nobody, including Janet
Reno, ever thought about the effect of this harassment
on all the little children who had already been
traumatized enough by ex militarized federal copscum.
Which proves The FAGGOT BUREAU OF INTIMIDATION is

nothing but a bunch of ex military, murdering, bullies
and jerks who are emotionally unfit to have power over
anybody or any situation?!

And then......we get spin control in which the lying idiot

con artist FBI scum decided to paint Koresh as a wacko
and a pedophile............despite the fact The TEXAS
DEPT. OF CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES had already
investigated and found nothing to report?!
And FBI hostage rescue team dork Chris Whitcomb (a

trained murderer hired as a special agent sniper who
wanted to kill people at long range behind a scope)
wrote a book called "Cold Zero" in which he and his
murdering idiot, clone army of baby burning
scum, .........has some type of emotional crisis over the
fact that he and his idiot scum..........were not the big
brave heros saving the day after all.
And if the faggot bureau of investigation wants to

respond to this post.........................feel free................
it's your right jackoff......but lets see you post your
name and home phone number so we, the people, can
cross exaine you lying scum in you home.
12-16-2003 10:42 PM
duncan I just got back from Waco & OK city.

Moderator
I gazed into the pool of reflection and reflected upon
Registered: Jul 2003 why the Murray building was blown to pieces. The fed
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado can ignore the real reason why all they want to, but it
Posts: 9017 still won't change a thing.
Kill another group of Christians like they did in Waco,

Texas and they can plan on another OK city.
The fed had its very own six story museum right next to
the park and you can buy all the hats, t-shirts, coffee
mugs, towels etc... you want. The thugs who who work
for the national park service are ordered to never
mention the name of McViegh or even the very reason
for the bombing of the their fed building. Yes indeed it
was quite the digusting spectacle, to see the fed
profiting from the death of innocents.
Millions was wasted in tax dollars to exploit the deaths of

168 innocent people all victims of justice meet out by

one man who was just a nobody.
Pay backs are a f*cking bitch.
Just across form the park is a new federal building which

looks just like a federal prison and I thought it very
appropiate that the feds are locked in their own prison
where they belong.
Will they build all of their buildings like the one in OK

city? With no windows and cement walls two feet thick
all the way around.
Enjoy your new home boys and girls.
I then drove 300 miles to Waco, Texas to see what the

fed had done to another group of innocents. Not much
was left of the Davidian home. A chapel was built in
place of the complex that the fed burned down. 83 trees
where planted in front of the chapel each with a samll
stone monument with the names of all the people whom
the fed had murdered on April 19, 1993.
The Davidian grounds had become nothing more than a

memorial to the death of innnocetns just as the Murray
building had become.
The feds had their 168 chairs planted in an open field of

the park and the Davidians had their 83 trees to remind
us of the dead.
The feds had thier surivivors tree with its bruned

branches and chrapnel. The Davidians had their cropping
of surving trees located by a small pond which were also
black from smoke.
The feds had their six story museum with all of its
propaganda aka t-****s etc... and the Davidians had
their small 14X14 building with its pictures and books.
You had to pay $7 to the fed to enter its museum, you

had to pay nothing to see what was in the 14X14
builiding of the Davidians.
83 davidians dead, 168 feds dead
McViegh fried for his crimes.
The ATF & FBI got away with theirs.

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01-05-2004 12:18 PM
nealcassady234 How come BATF did not come to work that day?
Senior Member
:confused: How come the FBI will not tell us, "Why BATF
Registered: Oct 2003 (the most incompetent, money sucking, idiotic, parasite
Location:
Posts: 654 of all The DOJ's arsenal of alphabet clown agencies who
do little or nothing except prove that fed government
rises to the level of their own incompetency) did not
show up for work on April 19th?!"
FBI won't tell us, "Why didn't BATF tell all those little
children not to come to daycare on April 19th?!"
FBI won't tell us about Elohim City BATF informant Carol

Howe's warnings that something was gonna happen and
that a federal building was gonna blow up real soon.
FBI cannot explain the defeciencies in scientific protocol

by The FBI Crime Scene Team in which no residue of C4
or a suitcase nuke was swept for?!
FBI cannot explain retired General Partin's analysis of

the bomb crater and bomb scene shows that the blasts

came from outside the building (McVeigh's bomb) and

charges on the inside of a government secured building
that cannot be intered without a record or videotape?
FBI cannot explain witnesses, including Ok City police

officers, finding unexploded bombs?!
FBI cannot explain why the Murray Building was

demolished shortly after the bomb before defense
attorneys could hire experts to read the bomb scene and
test for trace evidence of explosives different from the
Anfo Bomb?
FBI won't explain why surveillance video from other

buildings was not introduced as evidence by the fed
prosecutor in McVeigh's trial?!
Too many questions...too many leads....too smug of an

airtight case pointing the finger at a patsy easily
demonized. Typical intell community operation in which
the info war is won quick and all dissentors or reliable
witnesses are neutralized through fear and intimidation.
Typical FBI Snow Job....and I, like alot of Americans,
bought it initially until I started getting all the info.
02-18-2004 02:49 AM
duncan Eleven years ago today the facist p*gs murdered the
Moderator Christian Davidians.
Registered: Jul 2003 Never forget.

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04-19-2004 11:40 PM
Uncle Freddy No charges filed on BATF or FBI?!

Senior Member
:confused: No charges were filed on BATF or FBI?!

Registered: Apr 2004
Location:
So..."in the land of the free and home of the brave"...
Posts: 116
knuckleheads can shoot up your church because "you
and your pals have decided to engage in communal
living while a fairly bizarre, rigid, screwball wants to
pretend he is John the Baptist?!"
I wonder what BATF or FBI would have done to some of

the old testemant prophets....or to Jesus Christ himself?!
As far as I can tell...Jesus was a homeless drifter....who

worked odd jobs catching fish and building houses....was
considered a madman by his family....drifted from town
to town...had ratty old clothes....did not worship false
idols...and went berzerk when the money changers set
up stalls outside a place of worship....scared the Romans
with his growing grass roots power base....and "claimed
to speak for and with GOD himself, "the bigman?"
Now adays if you "claim to speak for or with God" they

throw you in a mental hospital.
Now adays if you "have ratty old clothes and drift from
town to town working odd jobs" the cops pull you over,
search your vehicle, search your glove box, and assume
your guilty of something that cannot be articulated?!
Now adays if you have long hair and a beard and are
considered a "madman by your family"....they target you
for some good old fashioned community policing and
"escort you to the county limits."

Now adays "you also have to have a plethora of licenses

and government documents" before you fish or build
houses?!
In Waco, Texas...."if you claim to be a prophet of God"

and preach boreing sermons while living with a flock....
1) The BATF first has the UPS driver open your mail
without a warrant (The UPS guy said the box fell open
revealing hollow grenade shells....that The Davidians
mounted on wooden plaques to sell at gun shows?)....
2) Then the BATF sends snitchs or undercover dorks to

live next door to gather precious intell (Koresh pegged
them right off the back and offered to show them the
guns for inspection?!)....NO RAID WAS NECESSARY....
NO GUNPLAY WAS NECESSARY?!....KORESH JOGGED
AND CAME INTO TOWN AND HAD A CORDIAL
RELATIONSHIP WITH THE LOCAL GOOD OLD BOY
SHERRIFF?!
3) Then BATF schemes to get more money from

Congress, God knows for what?! ( Aren't their enough
federal gravy sucking, overpaid, civil service parasites
who do literally nothing except suck on the tit?!)
4) Then BATF (made up of ex military morons who were

not smart enough to get into DEA or FBI) forms a
brilliant plan using the old "cattle truck/Trojan Horse"
scheme.
5) BATF calls the media prior to this to make sure "BATF

loses operational security" tipping off Koresh that he is
about to be attacked and possibly assasinated.
6) Koresh meets BATF at the door....and is immediatly

shot at with many bullet holes going into the door
proving the BATF fired first?! Texas Rangers saw FBI
carting off the door so it could "maintain possession of
the spin control" in the upcoming criminal and civil
trials?!
7) Then FBI comes in with the brilliant and cunning

situational genius Joe Jamar (The San Antonio Divisional
SAC) who opens up the FBI playbook and immediatly
DOES EVERYTHING IN HIS POWER TO MAKE A TENSE
SITUATION WORSE KNOWING FULL WELL THE
DAVIDIANS AND KORESH HAVE BEEN BUSHWHACKED

AND ARE ALREADY SHOCKED AND UNSTABLE?!
[FBI did that to me also...."the took a non gun owning,

non violent, fairly peaceful, halfway depressed, low
energy, pot smoking slacker"...and turned me into "a
seething, raging, cussing, vengeful, malicious, foul
mouthed, vendetta obsessing, knife welding, sworn
enemy of all copscum?!]
8) Jamar ("a big, dumb, miserable, ball busting, Totally

Over rated pr-ck"....like most FBI alpha male, ex football
playing scum....like that FBI fag,"Gary" they sent after
me in Austin) then decides to cut off utilities....play
annoying noises...and run over the Davidian cars and
toys....because he empathized so strongly with those 26
terrified Davidian children and Davidian adults cowering
under their bunks?! Boy those FBI guys sure are smart
aren't they Duncan?! Gee...."nothing like the most
brilliant and professional law enforcement clown act" to
come and save society from all those terrifying,
dangerous Davidians?!
9) Jamar intentionally ignores the FBI negotiators (the

few FBI scum with any sort of basis in empathy or
compassion or humanity) by proving to his men and
country "what a tough stand up guy he is?!" The FBI
negotiators told him "that these tactics could make the
situation worse?!"
10) Jamar and FBI HQ agree to lie to Janet Reno "telling

her the Davidian children were sexually abused and were
at risk of being harmed" (Texas Child Protective Services
already checked this out and found no evidence of
abuse) who okays the use of the CS Gas (which is
flammable in high enough concentrations)....AND THE
REST IS HISTORY?!
[We are also are led to believe....from the brilliant FBI

propaganda machine that seems to be addicted to
creating reality....
....that an intell asset named Tim McVeigh (sheep dipped

to look like a gun nut or militia anti government type
much like Oswald handing out pro Castro leaflets in New
Orleans) and a somewhat dimmer bulb named Nickols
(who traveled to the Phillipines where Al Qada meets
while CIA directs them)

....acted alone and built an ANFO bomb that defies

physics by creating a shock blast that accelerates the
blast pressure shock wave (instead of losing blast
pressure exponentially) creating a blast signature on
reinforced concrete steel column identical to C4
demolition charge signatures?!
......We are also conveniently made ignorant of: an

OkCity Bomb Squad being present on the scene before it
happened.....media reports that C4 unexploded bombs
were found.....BATF informant Carol Howe tipped off
BATF....FBI and BATF did not come to the office that
day...an OK CITY Cop who was at the scene was
murdered after trying to tell the truth......surveillance
video from surrounding buildings was collected by FBI
and never presented at trial?....many witnesses came
forward and were silenced after FBI intimidated them
into silence....a couple of convenient deaths of people
including Fed Judge Matsch's daughter pushed into a
Hawaiin crater to send him a message?....etc.?!]
ORWELL WAS RIGHT IN HIS PREDICTION...."SOME

ANIMALS ARE JUST MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS"
[Frankly I love watching The FBI Keystone Cop Capers....

I love watching a con artist, or card sharp, or a lying
scumbag ply their trade?!]
[I look forward to the next FBI Intell Community

Charade? I wonder how many more innocent Americans
have to be slaughtered by the FBI before Patriot Act II is
passed resulting in me being thrown in a FEMA Camp
with Duncan Phillip and Daryl so we can eat bologna
sandwiches everyday for the rest of our lives while
waiting for non existent charges to be filed?!]
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04-20-2004 12:52 AM

Uncle Freddy Talk about a moron...Jesus some one get him an FBI
Senior Member application

Location:
Koresh....never shot guns at armed or unarmed people
Posts: 116 in their own friggin church?
Yet....this guy is convinced that the Davidians and

fruitcake Koresh...."are the devil incarnate?"
Look how this fruitcake "assumes Koresh was a

pedophile...or had sex with underage females"....despite
the fact that Texas CPS did a thorough investigation
finding absolutely Nothing?!
See Duncan....."all the FBI scum have to do is call some

one pedophile and most knucklheads will punch you in
the mouth."
That's how the FBI came after me also, "they told all
sorts of lunatics, retired cops, rednecks, gangbangers,
wackos, saddists, screwheads".....that I was "a mafia
connected lawyer....a hitman....a statutory rapists....a
CIA connected operative....an insider trader....a police
imposter....a drug dealer....knife welding maniac.....
possible serial murderer....corrupt attorney Obstructing
Justice....fixing cases....etc."
Then the FBI lying scum distribute this crap over their
computer network....and....every cop who pulls me over
or runs my plate...."Just about has a heart attack?!" I
don't know "what comes up on the computer screen
when the local Sioux Falls cops pull me over...but...."it
must be something heavy"....because the last speeding
ticket I got...."this poor guy just about **** his pants?!"
The knucklehead cops already know, "I don't have any

guns...and cannot be in possession of a gun...ever....
without breaking the federal gun laws...cuz I was
involuntarily thrown into a mental hospital?!"
So...."all this scandal and defamation" ended up going to

the already miserable, ball busting local prosecutor
scum....who....then contacted two of my defence
attorneys...."who then....tried to f-ck up my cases and
always treated me with an inappropriate amount of
undeserved, utter contempt, distrust, and all the respect

worthy of stone cold ax murderer?!
SO WHO THE F-CK IS SLANDERING ME AND DEFAMING

ME AND WHERE THE HELL DID THEY GET THIS
INFORMATION AND CAN THEY PRODUCE ANY EVIDENCE
OF THESE ALLEGATIONS OR WHAT?!
What kind of legitimate law enforcement inquiry involves

"slander, defamation, libel, false light" in some sort of
backstabbing, underhanded, "character assasination"
that one can never prove or discover because
"everybody is convinced that the information is true"....
and that "if they talk about this then they can be
charged with Obstructing Justice."
I'm not making this up. The FBI does "go to job sites
and ask incriminating questions" knowing full well that
person will be fired and will be unemployed along time?!
I had eight white collar professional frinds fired from
their jobs....and these people are not criminals
whatsoever?!
It's like the copscum are so hungry for saddism and

crushing somebody and putting grief in my life...."that
they even went after mere acquantances to slander"?!
WHAT THE **** IS THAT ALL ABOUT IT.....AND HOW
CAN THEY GET AWAY WITH SOMETHING SO BLATANTLY
WRONG, INSANE, MISLEADING, AND SADDISTIC?!
The FBI witch hunting scum did the same thing to Wen
Ho Lee....Richard Jewell....and Steven Hatfield (the
alleged anthrax letter witch)?!
It's like The copscum and FBI scum are more "interested
in playing a bigger role and having more power" than
they are legally allowed to have....."the FBI has totally,
arrogantly, overstepped their perogatives in the justice
system" to the point they think they are the judge, jury,
prosecutor and torturer?!
THESE ****ING SCUM GOT TO PAY FOR THAT MAN....

YOU CANNOT BUG AND WIRETAP AN INNOCENT MAN
FOR 12 YEARS, DEFAME THE GUY, SUBVERT HIS
FOURTH, FIFTH, SIXTH, SECOND, AND FOURTEENTH
AMENDMENT RIGHTS.....AND.....JUST LIE ABOUT IT?!
This tells me alot....like....FBI OPR does not do a

****ing thing about FBI malfeasance. Prosecutors do

not charge cops. And...Judges suck cop dick all day long
rubberstamping anything in front of them?!
I offered to take a polygraph anytime?! They just

neutralized me because of the info I gathered on them....
then....the ****heads harass me into exposing them
(which is what they were trying to stop all along?!)
04-20-2004 02:50 AM
duncan There was no compound. here was home full of innocent

Moderator people.
Registered: Jul 2003 So was Koresh ever charged with child molestation? Nope
Posts: 9017 Was he ver convicted of child molestation? Nope
in fact the local social worker investigated koresh for

child molestation and found nothing she charged him
with nothing.
What does child molestation have to do with Janet Reno

and the ATF?
It's funy to wath a bushnik defend the evil acts of

dumocrap.
Now can you prove that Koresh was a child molestor?

The words of minors are not acceptable.
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04-20-2004 12:44 PM
duncan http://www.waco93.com/
Moderator
The movie and you can see first hand how the facist fed
Registered: Jul 2003 murders amerikans.
Posts: 9017 http://www.serendipity.li/waco.htm
Many people believe that David Koresh (or the Branch

Davidians) were responsible for the deaths of the 74
men, women and children who died in the inferno at
Waco on April 19, 1993. This is the story that the FBI
put out. It is a lie. The guns they had were legal. The
local sheriff investigated and found no basis for
complaints against them. These were law-abiding
American citizens, even if they thought differently to
most other folks. They trusted the U.S. Constitution to
ensure their political rights, but they were murdered by
agents acting under the authority of the U.S.
government. Read this page if you believe otherwise. If
you still have doubts, get the video Rules of Engagement
for visual evidence. Or read the book Armageddon in
Waco.
You read here folks the p*g Matt1 supports the act
of baby killing by copsters.
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04-20-2004 12:47 PM
duncan http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/
Moderator
Read the autopsy evidence to see who killed who. And
Registered: Jul 2003 no Koresh did not start the fire nor did he order his
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado fellow Chrisitians to start a fire either. The fed started
Posts: 9017
the fire.
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWri...p/d_list00.html
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWri...b_senatemm.
html
http://www.public-action.com/SkyWri...b_lghtnstr.html
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04-20-2004 12:51 PM
duncan So was Koresh ever found guilty of child molestation?

Moderator
The local social worker stated that she could find nothing
Registered: Jul 2003 wrong.
Posts: 9017 Better to murder the children than to have an imaginary
child molestor rape them.
And what crimes exactly did the Davidians commit?
Still posting on the job I see.
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04-20-2004 05:15 PM

Uncle Freddy Bad boy Matt...go home to copland.

Senior Member
:confused: Waco...and the evidence never covered in

the media...shows...little kids bodies dismembered?!
Location:
Posts: 116
Hmmmm...."a cop looks at this and says, 'that bastard
Koresh hacked little children into pieces'!"..
...General Partin (who also opined in the OK CITY BOMB)

looked at the photos and saw that satchel charges were
used near the kitchen dug out where all those beautiful
little kids were hunkered down hiding from the those
crazy FBI Lunatics....
....Partin (former buddy boy with Florida Special Ops

Command) decided that the FBI blew up a bunch of
little, innocent, scared children hacking down some CS
gas (which can kill little children...ya know)?!
Hmmmm....the federal law says that "the best interests

of society are met if mentally defective people cannot
possess firearms".....so....uh....."what is the FBI and
BATF doing with guns?!
Why does APD allow Sergeant Stan "the killer" Farris to

shoot one guy...another guy...another guy...and, yes,
another guy?! Funny thing is...."Farris was one of the
cops who ratted on the other 15 APD cops guilty of
conspiracy to distribute cocaine in the Mala Sangre
Scandal." One APD cop was caught selling coke out of
his squad car?...."is Austin a rocking town or what?....
you don't have to go to the coke dealer, you just have to
call 911 to take a sniff?!
04-20-2004 09:53 PM

duncan He wasn't allowed a trial you p8gs murdered him and his
Moderator famliy.
Registered: Jul 2003 No trial no conviction and innocent until proven guilty.
Posts: 9017 Can you prove Koresh was a baby raper?
Was he convicted of any crime?
How do you account for the fact that the local social
woker found nothing wrong?
P9gs are froced to demonize Koresh in order to distract

from the fact that they murdered the children.
Why do you post for you place of employment?
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04-23-2004 09:34 AM

Uncle Freddy P9gs are froced to demonize Koresh in order to distract

Senior Member from the fact that they murdered the children.
Registered: Apr 2004 quote:

Location:
Posts: 116
"P9gs are forced to demonize Koresh in
order to distract from the fact that they
murdered the children."
1) FBI slime, MORE THAN ANYBODY, are obsessed with

power, hubris, arrogance, selfishness, aggression,
hostility, mendacity....and anything perjorative you can
think of. The power of the FBI is access to information.
This information is gathered illegally in bedrooms and
just about any other place you can hide a bug?!
2) So....what is The FBI slime and DOJ gonna do..."when

all the people start passing disinformation and
misinformation to the FBI Slime" to totally sabotage
their "bread and butter" faggot act?! What happens
if...."The FBI relies upon bad intell?!"
3) What happens if "everybody clogs The Carnivore

packet sniffer" with all sorts of bogus "hot words" in
emails sent to all the power holders in every town, city,
state, and federal office?!
The dingbat FBI would have to start bogus investigations

that lead absolutely nowhere....building their frustration
to a high level of "alpha male rage" predicated on the
swine not getting their nose into the p-gtrough.....
resulting in alot of swine squeeling in frustration. That's
one way a patriotic American can punish the people who
destroy the Bill of Rights and subvert and crush any sort
of legitmate dissent or progressive change in America?!
4) The difference between The CIA in Tulsa and

Missouri....and the FBI irish football playing faggot
is...."The football player thinks he has operational
security and that everything he hears is true because
"he thinks he picked it up anonymously?!" The FBI
thinks they got "operational security." And....acts
accordingly in a very predictable way using the M.O.I.G
(a totally outdated manual of investigative guidelines

that should be rewritten or scraped altogether.)
.....All the while, the CIA (who has far strictor standards
of selection and only hires a few ex military officers for
the wet work) always assumes first, that "the info is
bogus....forcing them to devise litmus tests to test the
veracity of the info."
FBI, being drunken Irish football players, "doesn't seem

to have the time to think....since they are all in a
madcap, rush to conduct a Chinese fire drill like the
Keystone cops?!"
That in a nutshell is why...."The CIA runs the country

only letting the drunken Irish football team 'believe they
run the country.' " This is done because, "The CIA buys
off the Director with drug money in offshore accounts"
thus making "The FBI into The CIA's private secret police
force." No Director of the FBI took office with out The
CIA bribing him or having dirt on him?!
5) And....the FBI always skates on their felonies?! Must

be fun being an omnipotent, corrupt, over rated loser?!
As long as the FBI Faggot surrounds himself with other
FBI Faggots....his "little bogus world is intact." But
"when the people find out that 26 children are first shot
at....then harassed...then blown up with a breaching
charge...then gassed....then burned up"....NOW THE
REAL TRUTH COMES OUT....THE FBI HATES CHILDREN
AND WANTS TO BLOW THEM UP OR BURN THEM?!
a) I say this "knowing full well" that The OK CITY FBI

had prior knowledge of the McVeigh bogus bomb....
and...."let that daycare get blown up full of children who
belonged to fellow government workers and patriots and
tax payers?! WHAT DOES THAT SAY...HUH?! By the
way....McVeighs bomb didn't create a shockwave that
accelerated fast enough to crush the daycare....that had
something to do with the C4 satchel charges "that
somehow got into a secure federal building?!"
b) I also remember 14 year old Sammy Weaver getting

shot in the back while running for home....and Lon
"defenceless momma killer" Horiutchi shot at Vicki while
holding a baby?! SO FBI IS REALLY SHOOTING AT
CHILDREN WHEN THEY AREN'T BLOWING THEM UP OR
BURNING CHILDREN ALIVE?!

c) [I think I am gonna avoid my loveable, beautiful

nieces and nephews until they become adults....lest the
FBI shoot me while missing some more innocent
children?!]
d) I also know for a fact, that alot of senior FBI idiots are
ex Viet Nam vets who "also loved killing Vietnamese
children" earning the disdain of doves who called them
"Baby Killers?!"
This is an agency that bugged THE BEDROOM OF no less
a personal hero than MARTIN LUTHER KING, who goes
down in history in every telling of The American Century.
HOW MANY FBI FAGGOTS, LOCAL COPS, PROSECUTORS
OR JUDGES made as much history as Martin Luther
King?! And how could that be...huh?! Is "peace and love"
more powerful than "hate and Evil"?!
6) How many FBI Slime went down in history?! One....

and he was a cross dressing, power tripping, incurabely
venal, egomaniacal, felony criminal homosexual deviant
who "actively aided and abetted" the five families of the
mafia who made sure he "won at the horse track" and
had "plenty of ferry prostitutes" to play with as the bull
fruitcake fought with Clyde Tolson over ferries?!
And J. Edgar Hoover's name is on the FBI building in

Washington D.C?! (I'm not making this up guys...it is all
true?!)
HOW DO YOU FIGURE FBI?! The only FBI guy who made
history is a deviant power tripper....just like you FBI
"baby burning" , drunken Irish, football playing, closet
homosexuals who "engage in saddism as an attempt at
killing your Jungian shadow as it harbors submissive
homoerotic fantasies."
6) Yup....I hate to tell the tough guy cops but....the

clinical psychologists have pointed out that, "the
dominant saddist is really trying to project his
homoerotic shame onto a target, who has to be crushed
or killed or framed" so the big brave, ex military heros
peopling The FBI can forget their own "homoerotic male
bonding" that occurred in the football player
lockerroom...or in the military....or in your Joint Federal
Local Faggot Task Forces.
Yup....the faggot FBI (a closet faggot who harbors secret

little shameful homo thoughts) actually "enjoys the

company of men" while hunting an enemy....more "than

being with his wife and kids?!"
7) I played a little football in high school and to be

honest with you...."I never once felt like or did actually
slap another guy on the ass who was wearing tight,
nylon pants....yet you see football players do this all the
time?!" You also see alot of Marines and military faggots
harass recruits by threatening some sort of homo sexual
domination?!
8) And....frankly, I think these FBI military guys are

faggots who want "to use their phallic knife" to bond
closer with their chosen sex (men) by being "buttf-
ckers." These military faggots all "self select themselves
to be quarintined from women" while being horny little
grabbastic bastards...during their sexual prime?! If
military guys ain't homos...."then why do the agree to
quarintine themselves from women during their most
sexually productive years....when they should be on a
beach trying to get Susie Creamcheese drunk so they
can chew her bikini bottom off?!
04-23-2004 11:29 PM
duncan The cowards with Delta Force and the Army National
Moderator Guard were used to murder these people.
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05-20-2004 12:52 PM
Kissel I sent an email to The 9/11 Commission.

Junior Member
:confused: I sent an email to "The 9/11 Commission"

that somehow...."just never seemed to make it to the
Location:
Posts: 13 New York City Office?!"
In this email (that FBI intercepted and would not allow

delivery) pointed out to "The 9/11 Commission"
that...."FBI acts and omissions cannot be understood
without analyzing past prior bad act evidence" to further
cast doubt on FBI's bogus credibility premised on "the
specious American assumption that FBI actually wants to
stop domestic terrorism in America."
1) Most idiots...believe the cops and believe that "at

heart they are good honest decent human beings who
protect us from criminal scum." WRONG. The truth is,
"Cops are more than happy to serve themselves first,
take as much money and power second, and then....
maybe they will enforce the law against people who are
specifically selected as "sacrificial scapegoats."
2) Most faggot idiot scum in America wave the flag....

and....incorporate this patriotism with blind obedience to
any other flag sucking homo cop, prosecutor or Judge.
The truth is, "these power tripping con artists" only
serve themselves first, steal as much money and power
second, and then "might select a local scapegoat to
demonize and harass."
3) No clown on "The 9/11 Commission" ever thought or

was brave enough to say, "Hey....who benefitted the
most from domestic terrorism?.....who had a duty to
protect?....who intentionally failed in carrying out that
duty?....who is tied to Mena, Arkansas drug dealing?....
who is tied to Fort Peck, Montana Drug Dealing and
countless unsolved murders.....and what agency gave a
SAC position to the FBI Faggot at HQ who denied the
Minneopolis FBI from searching Moussaui's laptop?!

4) No faggot has yet to "study FBI informant Selam"s

tape recording in which he had "his FBI handler's voice
on tape telling him to build the WTC 1993 Bomb so it
would detantate killing seven people?!" WHAT THE F-CK
DOES THAT SAY TO YOU?!
TAPE RECORDINGS DON'T LIE COPPERS. SELAM

OFFERED TO MAKE A BOMB THAT DID NOT DETANATE?!
FBI TOLD HIM TO MAKE A BOMB THAT BLOWS UP
KILLING INNOCENT PEOPLE?!
DOES THAT MAKE FBI GUILTY OF ANY FEDERAL CRIME?!
IF I HIRE AN EGYPTIAN INTELL OFFICER TO BEFRIEND A

GROUP OF RADICAL SCUM WHO CONSPIRE TO BUILD A
BOMB THAT BLOWS UP........AND I TELL MY OPERATIVE
TO MAKE THE BOMB LIVE WHEN MY OPERATIVE KNOWS
HOW TO MAKE THE BOMB SO IT DOES NOT
DETANATE................"AM I GUILTY OF A FEDERAL
CRIME LIKE CONSPIRACY....."CONSPIRACY TO COMMIT
A FEDERAL CRIME OF VIOLENCE?!"
5) No faggot on "The 9/11 Commission" is willing to

study the FBI bombing of Earth First activist Judi Bari in
San Francisco in which San Fran SAC Richard "the nazi
indian hater" Held.....once again....left "a trail of dead
bodies" wherever he parked his miserable fat carcass?!
No faggot cop or FBI lying football player....has yet to

look at the bomb scene photos in comparison to The FBI
Faggot Bomb expert who said, "the bomb was not under
the seat....therefore Bari knew it was there when she
put her guitar on top....thus, Bari is the mad bomber?!"
No faggot cop is willing to admit,.....uh....the fed and

state prosecutors either wouldn't indict....or dropped all
charges after realizing the FBI Faggot Act was killing
social activists in broad daylight?!
6) No faggot on "The 9/11 Commisssion" can explain

why "Thomas S. Bean, Allan Doering, Dr. Mark Gordon,
Rich Gordon and so many others" were illegally
surveilled and harassed for 12 years after.............
................. "Thomas S. Bean and Allan Doering" tipped
off the Sioux Falls Police Department" about a
"conspiracy to manufacture, possess and distribute
explosive devices known as electronic detanators at an

electronic assembly plant in Canistota, South Dakota in

1992?!"
7) In 1992 The Fed Faggot Clown Act (The Sioux Falls

Fed Prosecutor, The local Sioux Falls FBI Faggot, The
Sioux Falls BATF Faggot, The Minnehaha County
Prosecutor, The Sioux Falls Police Department) all had
"probable cause evidence" that a "conspiracy had
committed a predicate act" in which "explosive devices
were manufactured" at an electronic assembly plant?!
We also know that Tim McVeigh (an intell community

operative) had "minimum contacts in South Dakota"
where "the detanators were manufactured?!" We know
McVeigh presented a South Dakota Driver's License to
rent the truck?!
Two "material witnesses" in this federal investigation

(Thomas S. Bean and Allan Doering) were put under FBI
surveillance for the rest of their lives to look for dirt to
neutralize them in case the story ever got out. WELL FBI
FAGGOTS.....THE STORY IS COMING OUT AND YOU
MADE IT HAPPEN WITH YOUR USUAL PATENTED, HEAVY
HANDED, CLUMSY, EVIL, STUPID, RELIANCE UPON
CRIMINAL COINTELPRO CONSPIRACIES TO NEUTRALIZE
MATERIAL WITNESSES TO THE COMMISSION OF
FEDERAL CRIMES INVOLVING DOMESTIC TERRORISM IN
AMERICA?!
WHAT ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT THAT FBI FAGGOT

WHEN FEDERAL JUDGE PEIRSOL signs MY WRIT OF
MANDAMUS ORDERING THE LOCAL FEDERAL FAGGOT
PROSECUTOR TO HOLD A GRAND JURY INVESTIGATION
LOOKING INTO MY FACT PATTERN SHOWING FBI AND
SFPD COMPLICITY IN NUMEROUS SURVEILLANCE
FELONIES COMMITTED AGAINST ME AND MY FAMILY
AND FRIENDS?!
HOW ARE YOU GONNA STOP ME THERE FBI FAGGOT

ACT?!
8) How is the FBI Faggot Act gonna explain "neutralizing

my emails to attorneys and The 9/11 Commission"?!
How is the FBI Faggot Act gonna explain a never ending
"harassment and illegal surveillance" of me.......
after......."I reported crime information that incriminates
local law enforcement for engaging in racketeering by
protecting local bookies, pimps and drug dealers in

South Dakota and Austin, Texas?!"
HOW ARE YOU FAGGOTS GONNA SPIN THE TRUTH FBI

FAGGOT ACT?!
9) Wanna just meet me in the country with no witnesses

first....then bury your dead later....then get indicted in
Sioux Falls?@!
If you do..............."I THINK I CAN MAKE THAT HAPPEN

FOR YOU REAL QUICK ANYTIME YOU LADIES TAKE YOUR
PANTIES OFF AND GROW A SET A BALLS?!"
10) HEY FBI FAGGOTS IN MINNEOPOLIS.......HOW ARE

YOU GONNA CONTAIN THE CONGRESSIONAL INQUIRY
LOOKING INTO MY FACT PATTERN?! I ALREADY KNOW
YOUR M.O. F-CKBOYS. I ALREADY GOT THE
INFORMATION OUT.
YOU CAN RUN A MAIL DROP ON ALL THE ATTORNEYS I

HAVE CONTACTED....AND YOU CAN INTERCEPT MY MAIL
AND SUBVERT MY SIXTH AMENDMENT RIGHT TO
CONTACT COUNSEL....BUT.....YOU CANNOT INTERCEPT
MAIL SENT TO ATTORNEYS YOU DON'T KNOW ABOUT.....
YOU CANNOT INTERCEPT MAIL YOU DON'T KNOW
ABOUT?
I KNOW YOU FAGBOYS RUN YOUR "BLACK BAG JOBS"

SNOOPING AROUND AS YOU TRY TO CONTAIN THE
STORY....I KNOW ABOUT KEYSTROKE LOGGERS F-
CKBOYS....I KNOW ABOUT SURVEILLANCE F-CKBOYS.....
YOU CANNOT STOP ME....AIN'T GONNA WORK F-
CKFACE.
THE STORY IS OUT FBI FAGGOT ACT. YOU FAILED. THE

INFO IS OUT FBI FAGGOT ACT. NOW YOUR JUST
DIGGING YOUR OWN HOLE STUPID. EVERYONE IS
WATCHING F-CKBOYS....AND COMMITTING FEDERAL
CRIMES TO NEUTRALIZE A MATERIAL WITNESS TO LAW
ENFORCEMENT CRIMES IS A SERIOUS OFFENSE IN THIS
COUNTRY..........F-CKBOYS?!
IT IS A FEDERAL CRIME TO "DEPRIVE SOMEONE OF HIS

CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO FREE SPEACH, AND
COUNSEL AND PRIVACY.............HUH MINNEOPOLIS
SAC?!
YOU GOT A PROBLEM FBI FAGGOTS IN MINNESOTA AND

SOUTH DAKOTA. YOU GOT A REAL BIG F-CKING

PROBLEM FAGGOTS.
YOU GOT TO SEE ME. YOU GOT TO GO THROUGH ME.

YOU GOT TO PAY DAMAGES. YOU DON'T HAVE TO
ADMIT GUILT....BUT YOU GOT TO MAKE AMENDS TO MY
FRIENDS AND FAMILY FIRST, THEN YOU GOT TO MAKE
ME HAPPY....THEN, AND YOU BETTER HOPE I'M IN A
GOOD MOOD, YOU GOT TO HOPE AND PRAY THAT I
STILL DON'T TESTIFY IN A FEDERAL COURTROOM AFTER
TAKING A POLYGRAPH WHILE WORKING WITH THE
LOCAL AND NATIONAL MEDIA?!
YOU FBI FAGGOTS BETTER START COORDINATING

WITH DOJ AND THE REPUBLICAN BANKERS TO PREPARE
A DAMAGE AWARD IN THE NON NEGOTIABLE AMOUNT
THAT I GIVE YOU WHEN I FEEL LIKE IT.....OR.....THE
FBI CHICKEN IS GONNA BE PUT IN THE POT BEFORE I
START TURNING UP THE HEAT ON YOU SLIME....AND
YOUR SLOWELY GONNA START BOILING UNTIL.......THE
WATER REACHES A CERTAIN TEMPRETURE IN D.C.
FORCING YOU SLIME TO DO WHAT I TELL YOU TO DO
AND WHEN I TELL YOU AND HOW I TELL YOU TO DO IT.
IF YOU DON'T.....I MIGHT JUST TURN UP THE HEAT AND

WALK AWAY LEAVING YOU TO STEW IN YOUR JUICES
THERE....FBI F-CKBOYS.
SO YOU BETTER THINK ABOUT "PUTTING ME IN AN

AGREEABLE MOOD" IN WHICH "THE BEST INTERESTS
OF THE COUNTRY" ARE REMEMBERED AND MY TRUE
BLUE PATRIOTISM OVERWHELMS MY RIGHTEOUS LUST
FOR REVENGE AND RETRIBUTION ON YOUR
WORTHLESS LITTLE FEDERAL FAGGOT ASS?!
PERHAPS YOU WOULD LIKE A LITTLE DEMONSTRATION

OF MY POWER AND MY INTENT. OKAY. HOLD ON AND
BE PATIENT. I'M GONNA SEND YOU GUYS A LITTLE
MESSAGE THAT CAN ONLY MEAN ONE THING, "I'M NOT
F-CKING AROUND SH-TBRAIN?!"
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duncan April 19th a day of infamy

Moderator
This is the day that the ATF and the FBI murdered 83
Registered: Jul 2003 innocent human beings down in Waco, Texas.
Posts: 9017
Today is the day McViegh got even for the Waco murders
and in turn murdered 168 human beings in OK City.
If not for the henious actions of the FBI and the ATF in Waco
then OK City would have never happened.
End the killing by ending the facist police state, which is

waging war on freedom and amerikans.
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to sh*t." - Duncan

04-19-2006 06:34 PM

GC Marciano Condone, no.

Copwatcher Extraordinaire
Understand and sympathize with the reasoning, yes.
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"The purpose and the principal effect of posting information about

bad cops on the Internet is to inform the public for its own safety,
not to humiliate the officer. Even if the collateral effect of the
Internet posting is to shame the officer, this effect is the result of
Registered: Jul 2003 the Officer's crimes. We agree with the state that the right to be
Location: Chicago, Illinois free from the shame, stigma and embarrassment resulting from
Posts: 9967 crimes committed by Sworn Officers of the Law is not the kind of
fundamental right contemplated by our constitution." - Illinois
Supreme Court
All statements and opinions expressed are my personal opinions and

are not to be viewed as fact. I am not a speaking agent for
Copwatch and have no authority to bind Copwatch or to act on its
behalf. My opinions, ideas, theories and beliefs are my own and are
not necessarily supported, condoned (or often even appreciated) by
Copwatch, it's subsidiaries or agents.
05-19-2006 12:49 PM
duncan April 19th is nigh upon us and it is still a day of infamy.

Moderator
It is also the day that the "Columbine Massacre" which
Registered: Jul 2003 occured at Columbine High School Lakewood, Colorado. The
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado day the Denver PD and jefferson County Sheriff's
Posts: 9017 Department did nothing to save the lives of a school teacher
and his students.
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04-12-2007 05:08 PM
whitesupra7 10-96.
Senior Member
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Registered: Jan 2007 Saying that the police are supposed to "serve" the public is
Location:
Posts: 108
easy. Understanding that the public asks the police to
"serve" the same people it wants jailed is a difficult concept.
Think about it, for it is that which makes policing difficult.
"Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain, and most

fools do." -Ben Franklin
04-13-2007 06:43 PM
GC Marciano 10-61
click, click, Boom.
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"The purpose and the principal effect of posting information about

bad cops on the Internet is to inform the public for its own safety,
not to humiliate the officer. Even if the collateral effect of the
Internet posting is to shame the officer, this effect is the result of
Registered: Jul 2003 the Officer's crimes. We agree with the state that the right to be
Location: Chicago, Illinois free from the shame, stigma and embarrassment resulting from
Posts: 9967 crimes committed by Sworn Officers of the Law is not the kind of
fundamental right contemplated by our constitution." - Illinois
Supreme Court
All statements and opinions expressed are my personal opinions and

are not to be viewed as fact. I am not a speaking agent for
Copwatch and have no authority to bind Copwatch or to act on its
behalf. My opinions, ideas, theories and beliefs are my own and are
not necessarily supported, condoned (or often even appreciated) by
Copwatch, it's subsidiaries or agents.

04-13-2007 06:47 PM
mr.b
Senior Member
You need to go 10-7 for good!!!!
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proverbs, 21, 21

Location: CALIFORNIA
Posts: 1072
04-13-2007 06:48 PM
James Young quote:

Moderator
Originally posted by whitesupra7
Registered: Aug 2005 10-96.
Location: Austin, TX
Posts: 280
Bullsh!t. The connection of the widely divergent events

through April 19 is well conceived and well documented. The
Waco tragedy will live in infamy as an icon of official force
used against citizens. You have never displayed any
particular knowledge or curiosity about the expansion of
official power and force against ordinary citizens and I doubt
that you can speak knowledgeably about it.
"10-96" is standard (now obsolete) radio code for "mental

patient."
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Freedom is dangerous. You can either accept the risks that
come with it or eventually lose it all step-by-step. Each step
will be justified by its proponents as a minor inconvenience
that will help make us all 'safer.' Personally, I'd rather have
a slightly more dangerous world that respects freedom
more. -- The Speed Criminal
04-13-2007 06:54 PM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by James Young
[WhiteSupra7/BaltimoreLiE] ha[s]
never displayed any particular
knowledge or curiosity about the
expansion of official power and force
against ordinary citizens and I doubt
that [WhiteSupra7/BaltimoreLiE] can
speak knowledgeably about it.
Posts: 5865
Nor does he have any interest whatsoever in doing so.

All that matters to him and his porky pals is that they
can continue to run roughshod over the citizens under
their charge with complete impunity. He can relax; as
long as he remains a resident of the "Free [*blowjob!*]
State", he'll never have to worry about that privilege (or
his "job") being threatened.
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undelegated powers, its acts are unauthoritative, void,
and of no force." - Thomas Jefferson
"And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home

with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty,
collusive silence of good police officers that makes
possible the ever-accumulating atrocities of the 'bad'
ones." - William Norman Grigg
"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will

lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort
or money that it values more, it will lose that too.
04-13-2007 08:29 PM

duncan Saying that the police are supposed to "serve" the

Moderator public is an easy enough thing for the cops to lie
about. Understanding that the public never asked the
Registered: Jul 2003 police to "serve" them as these are the same people
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado who want us all jailed is a difficult concept. Think
Posts: 9017
about it, for it is that which makes the need for
policing difficult.
Remember Waco and Columbine and remember how the

copscum not only refused to "serve" the public, but killed us
as well. The concept that the police supposedly serve us is
indeed a hard concept to swallow.
Lie all ya want p*g, but by doing so you only continue to

prove my point and you also show your inablity to deal with
the issue when you call me names.
You saw here folks the p*g from Baltimore supports the
murder of 83 SDA Branch Davidians at the hands of the fed
and his fellow swine. Don't waste your time making any
more posts on this thread p*g as I will remove them.
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04-14-2007 12:47 AM

duncan April 16th a new day of infamy and another day in which the
Moderator copscum protected no one at Virginia Tech.
Registered: Jul 2003 __________________

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "I would rather die on my feet fighting rather than live to grovel on my
Posts: 9017 knees." -General Zapata
to sh*t." - Duncan

04-17-2007 12:06 AM
liberranter I guess April is indeed the "cruelest month" for those

Super Moderator who are unwilling or unable to defend themselves
against predators whom the State refuses to deal with or
whose violence the State tacitly sanctions (this incident,
like Columbine, is a godsend in the eyes of all the gun-
grabbers out there, left-wing or statist-right).
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and of no force." - Thomas Jefferson
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Posts: 5865
"And this brings us to a point that has to be driven home
with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is the guilty,
collusive silence of good police officers that makes
possible the ever-accumulating atrocities of the 'bad'
ones." - William Norman Grigg
"If a nation values anything more than freedom, it will

lose its freedom; and the irony of it is that if it is comfort

or money that it values more, it will lose that too.
04-17-2007 11:34 AM
duncan http://jpfo.org/alert20070419.htm
Moderator
"Any politician who won't trust you with the weapon of your
Registered: Jul 2003 choice clearly cannot be trusted with the power he desires
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado over your life."- Alexander Hope in the novel Hope
Posts: 9017
Is there any hope?
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04-22-2007 02:59 PM

duncan Remember Waco.

Moderator
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Registered: Jul 2003 "I would rather die on my feet fighting rather than live to grovel on my
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado knees." -General Zapata
Posts: 9017
to sh*t." - Duncan

04-19-2009 04:30 PM
duncan A day of infamy. This is the day that the fed might decide to
Moderator kill you for being poltically incorrect. Kill you for speaking
your mind. Kill you calling the FBI a bunch of cowardly scum.
Posts: 9017
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04-19-2010 07:40 PM
pyo1 April 19th in history

Senior Member
April 19th in history

Location: Oklahoma
Posts: 1565 April 19, 2010 01:24 PM EDT
by Jefferson Locke
Member since:
November 19, 2009
http://news.gather.com/viewArticle....281474978183007
Today is a state holiday in Massachusetts, Patriot's Day. It's

the day on which the Boston Marathon is run but it became
a holiday in commemoration of the battles of Lexington and
Concord. It's perhaps known to many from the Ralph Waldo
Emerson lines:
"By the rude bridge that arched the flood,

Their flag to April’s breeze unfurled,
Here once the embattled farmers stood,
And fired the shot heard round the world."
That confrontation was the culmination of a struggle

between American colonial assemblies, and later the First
and Second Continental Congresses and the British
government that went back to the Stamp Act and led to the
British military occupation of Boston. Massachusetts militia
units had been drilling and stockpiling arms in response.
The British commander, General Thomas Gage, sent a

battalion-sized force composed of the garrison's elite light
infantry and grenadier companies to destroy a store of
colonial munitions at Concord and seize Samuel Adams and
John Han**** et al. The militias had an excellent
intelligence network and they were ready. Captain Parker's
militia on the Lexington village green was sufficiently
outnumbered to suggest that their presence was intended
more as a demonstration than a serious effort to interdict
the British. Despite the heroic phrase attributed to Parker "...

if they mean to have a war, let it begin here.", it seems

unlikely that he really wanted to have his 80 men throw
down with the British. Nonetheless, a shot was fired by an
unknown person and the British fired without having
received orders and then made a bayonet charge. Eight
colonials were killed and ten wounded compared to one
British WIA.
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04-20-2010 06:25 PM
duncan CLINTON PLAYS THE OKLAHOMA CITY CARD

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By DICK MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Published on DickMorris.com on April 20, 2010
Posts: 9017
Former President Bill Clinton yesterday criticized
conservatives who are "vilifying" government and its workers
warning that such rhetoric could lead to a repetition of the
horrific attack on the Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City
in 1995 that marred his presidency.
Apart from the absurdity of likening elderly Medicare

recipients pushing walkers to the likes of Timothy McVeigh
and the right wing militias, Clinton's comments totally ignore
the real history of Oklahoma City.
It was not anti-government rhetoric that inspired McVeigh to

do his dastardly deed. According to the killer himself, it was
the action of the federal government during the Waco raid
that incited him to violence. That the attack on the Federal
Office Building took place on the anniversary of the Waco raid
underscores the connection.
Bill Clinton was far from blameless in the Waco attack. While
he sought to shift the responsibility to Attorney General Janet
Reno, acting as if he were merely a by-stander, subsequent
histories make it clear that he was smarting from criticism
that the failure of the feds to act and their continued

toleration of the siege showed him to be too weak to be a

good president. He would often complain about the unfairness
of this coverage to me as he recounted the events leading up
to the Waco raid.
The Obama strategy of vilifying the tea party protesters and

trying to link them to the violence of Oklahoma City is cynical
and ridiculous. The tea party protesters are, in many cases,
decorated war veterans and can, in the main, only be
described as patriots. That Obama needs to paint them as
violence prone extremists who are fanning flames that could
lead to Oklahoma City-style bombings is offensive and vile in
the extreme.
Why is Obama waging such unprincipled war on the tea party

people? Because, at last, the Republicans have come up with
an activist base to counter the ravages of the likes of Acorn
and Moveon.org. The GOP is coming up with a ground game
and it scares the daylights out of the Democrats.
The Republican Party lost the elections of 2006 and 2008 on

the ground. They were out-worked and out-hustled by their
Democratic opponents. But Obama's determined move
toward socialism has energized the Republican base and
brought them out into the streets. In walkers and
wheelchairs, the elderly are protesting the one half trillion
dollar cut in Medicare. Veterans are protesting the laxity in
the war on terror. And businessmen are remonstrating
against the tax and spend plans of the Obama Administration.
In our new book 2010: Take Back America - A Battle Plan, we

lay out a plan for individual activism to help win Congress
back. It is the energy and the impetus that flows from the tea
party activists that makes such a strategy possible. The silent
majority is no longer silent. To make them out to be
subversive is ridiculous.
The plain fact is that to take back Congress, we will need to

win about 40 House seats. That means that 10% of the seats
will change hands. What are the other 90% of us to do? In
our book, we urge those who live in districts that are not in
play to "adopt a Democrat" to oppose and work to dislodge
him from power. Send his opponent your checks and email
your friends to focus on helping the Republican in the district.
The tea party is the army of reform, not of subversion. They

are the defenders of our free market system and they
deserve our respect, not the innuendo that Clinton is peddling.
Looking for guidance on how to position your portfolio in the

upcoming months?
Click here to download the latest stock market report from

Fisher Investments.
Go to DickMorris.com to read all of Dick's columns!

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04-20-2010 09:09 PM
pyo1 The Murrah bombing is slated to be a part of Oklahoma

Senior Member history, to be taught in the schools across this state. I would
love to see what their version of this part of history will say.
Registered: May 2009 I doubt there will be any full disclosure on the 5 Ws!
Location: Oklahoma
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duncan Darren Morrison

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Case; # 07M138
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Court; Jefferson County located in Golden, Colorado
Posts: 9017
Suspect; Darren Micheal Morrison
DOB; 8/12/62 POB Boulder, Colorado
Age; 44
Colorado Resident LKL 300 Starway st. Ft. Collins, Colorado 80525
LKL of employment Colorado State University were he worked as a

janitor in a residence hall known as Paramalee Hall. 750 Meridian ave Ft.
Collins, Colorado.
Drivers lisence # 94-084-28698 Colorado DL.

SS#- I have and for now I will with hold it.
Race and ethnicity: White
Sex ; Male
Height; 6'
Weight; 280lbs
Criminal Morrison wears eye glasses
Balding with brown hair.
Eye color Hazel
Location of violation; 6885 David ave Jefferson County Colorado. An

address used by Tom Mauser and the reason Darren ended up in a Jeffco
Court house.
Criminal charge: Harrasement CRS 18-9-111 (1) E
Arresting officer: Deputy Swavely of the Jeffco Sheriff's Department

along with the FBI and the CSUPD present.
Date of arrest 1/8/07
Date of arriagnment 3/1/07
Date of pre-trial conference 5/1/07
Home phone 970-223-0371
email addy rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com
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04-16-2007 03:10 PM
duncan Fat Boy loves his grits

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Hard to ignore a guy when he wants you dead.

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Here is Darren's pic and bio. He ran for a seat in the Colorado legislature
Posts: 9017
on the American Constitutional Party. Ari Armstrong with the Colorado LP
interviewed Darren, but Ari had no idea at the time that Darren is a
Freeper Nazi who hate LP's because we are opposed to Bush's police
state and his illegal invasion of Iraq.
http://cfapp2.rockymountainnews.com...&action=results
IN MY OWN WORDS
Note: All information provided by candidate.
Favorite U.S. president and why:

George Washington Because He was a man of his word unlike Presidents
in my life time and that he supported the idea of less government
intuition in our lives. "Government is not reason; it is not eloquence; it is
force! Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master."
~G. Washington
Hero:
Jesus Christ, of course.
Favorite book:
The King James version of the holy Blble
Favorite movie:
The Patriot // BraveHeart
Favorite TV show:
the Andy Grifth show
How many TVs are in your home?

two
Favorite restaurant:
Toy's Thai Cafe in Fort Collins
Favorite musical group:

The Three Tenors
Hobbies:
Wildlife watching, hiking, hunting, travel, gardening visual art, going to
highland games or Scottish festivals and meeting people.
What kind of vehicle do you primarily drive

1970 f-100 pickup 302 White with blue racing strips totally rebuilt,
everything on it is new (killer truck, my wife bought it for me and I just
love it)
Favorite place in Colorado you'd take a newcomer to:

Estes Park and Rocky Mountain National Park.

What’s the farthest away you have ever been from Colorado?
Subic Bay in the Philippines
Name three things you could not live without:

1) My salvation though Jesus Christ
2) My Wife
3) H2O
Do you own a gun? If so, what type(s) of gun(s)?

Yes. Yes, I own guns, but that is my business how many and what They
are all legal for me to own.
On Gun Rights
I do know what “shall not infringe” means. Law-abiding citizens shall not
lose their rights to self-defense under my watch. Self-defense is a basic
human right. Punish those who use guns to commit violent acts. I will
not support laws that would prohibit or hinder citizens of Colorado from
legally keeping and obtaining firearms.
Do you have a concealed weapons permit? If so, what county issued the
permit?
Declined to answer
Have you ever declared bankruptcy? If so, when, where and why?
No.
Have you obtained a license to hunt or fish in the past three years?
Yes. I enjoy hunting yet I admit I am not that good at it. I usually come
home empty but a bad day hunting is better than a good day working.
Have you ever defaulted on any type of loan? If so, when, where and
why?
No.
Have you ever had liens filed against you? If so, when, where and why?
No.
Have you ever personally been involved in a divorce or a lawsuit as a

plaintiff or defendant? If so, when and where?
Yes. Me and my current wife got divorced, then we reconciled and
remarried.
Have you ever been arrested? If so, when, where and why?
Yes. I missed a court date by mistake and was arrested it was very
embarrassing and humiliating.
I will have to contact these folks to tell them about Darren's

arrest.
I wonder what Jesus has to say about Darren and his hatred of me?
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04-16-2007 03:26 PM
duncan The persecution of a copwatcher

Moderator "Duncan Philp, Fort Collins, Colorado, Founder of the Colorado Patriots
Militia, Philp was a member of Pete
Registered: Jul 2003 Peters Identity La Porte Church of
Posts: 9017 "Participants help to keep the Dream alive. Duncan Philp, the Rev. David
Williams and Aswad Allen joined arms Saturday evening to lead a march
from
Ammons Hall to the Abyssinian church for a memorial service to honor
Martin Luther King Jr. (Michelle Doyle, Rocky Mountain Collegian, front
page with acolor picture of myself and the other two men, 1/29/90)
Do white racists march for the equality of all races on Martin Luther King
Day?
Shazaam and looks like the SPLC lied. I had consulted with a Denver
attorney, by the name of Arthur Schwartz,
to see about suing Dees for slander. Although he stated that I had a case
I probably couldn't afford to hire him as I was an unemployed student
attending CSU at the time.
The ADL issued a similar report way back in 1994.
Christ. a racist and anti-Semitic church that embraces the ideology of the
Christian Identity movement."
The ADL offers the reader no dates, references or sources for this
incredible information. I have never been a member of any militia nor
have I ever been a member of the Laporte Church of Christ. All one has
to do is call Pete Peters, the anti-Semitic preacher for

the Laporte Church of Christ, and ask him if I have ever been a member
of his church.
Here is quote from the neo-nazi himself in regards to my so-called

membership to his church.
"Dear Mr. Giombetti, Please be advised that Mr. Duncan's reports about
my theology simply is not true. .... No need to communicate further for I
don't
concern myself with papers like yours." - Pete Peters (Mercury, Vol.1 No.
2, page 10, October 1999)
Gosh you would think that if I where in fact a member of Peter's church
then why would he accuse me of lying
about his church?
Even the ADL sent me a letter of apology and backed off their claim that
I was a member of this church.
"We understand your concerns and have taken steps to insure that this
statement in the report will be amended in all future printings" - Jill Kahn
Meltzer, Legal Affairs Director for the ADL in New York City. Dated
December 12, 1994.
Notice the fact that like the ADL Darren can't site his sources, yet
I can. It makes you wonder if Darren isn't a leftist plant or maybe
a copster plant
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04-16-2007 04:00 PM

duncan Remember this guy Morrison?

Moderator
The idiot made up an e-mail address Zapata_trt@yahoo.com, which is
Registered: Jul 2003 similiar to mine, and then sent out quite a few mails using my name. The
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado e-mail stated that I am going to start a violent anarchist revolution and
Posts: 9017
that I will blow up an airliner with my .50 cal as it leaves or enters
Denver International Airport.
Darren was probably Terminator and even if he wasn't he did make an

appearance here at copwatch.net on several occassions under different
monikers.
It gets worse. On December 15th at about 3:30pm MST, I was stopped

in the parking lot of a local Community College by a County Deputy. The
guy had his gun pulled on me and after a bit two more deputies show up
along with three FBI p*g's. I gave them all a face full of the Dunkman.
That encounter I had with the Homeland Gestapo back in August was
nothing compared to the **** I gave these idiots. I never did back down
and I refused to get down on my knees or go to the ground. I shouted
these ****ers down for about 15 minutes one FBI puke, a guy named
Brian Schmit and the other guy John Bibik got up in my face and I
responded in kind.
Deputy Foy had a tazer gun pointed my chest, keep in mind I have an
ICD implant which is a Guidant pacemaker/defib unit and if I get hit by a
tazer I will die. I told the dumb **** not to point that thing at me or it
would kill me, but of course he kept pointing it at me anyway.
The swine finally allowed me to leave at which point I headed for the
Sheriffs office. It should be noted that all of these ****s knew me by
name and never asked for an ID and they even knew what kind of car
I'm driving. Prior to this incident I had never been stopped by any
Wyoming copscum in that particular car. I probably don't need to say
this to you people, but trust me this website is being monitored by the
FBI.
I went to see Sheriff Glick to find out what the deal is. He wasn't in so
they sent me a Capt. . He didn't have clue as to what was going on, but
he found out with in seconds. The two FBI pukes showed up a few
minutes later and we had a sit down at which point the finally decided to
tell me what the **** was going on, something they hadn't yet done up
till now, dumbasses.
They showed me the phoney emails and asked me if that was my email
addy. At this point I knew exactly who sent the crap out. I had been
saving Darren's BS emails he sent to me and he sent out this kind of
crap to others who know him and me both and they only confirmed what
I already known some months ago. I didn't think that the idiot would pull
a dumb trick like this. His ass is grass and the FBI wants the little weasel.
What a bunch of dumb ****s, both the FBI and Darren. I get real pissed
when idiots dressed in SWAT uniforms get in my face for no good reason
other than to intimidate me. It didn't work to well for them. Only an idiot
of the dumbest order would attach his name to that kind of email and
then send it out ot the FBI, the Homeland Gestapo and the Denver PD.

Only an idiot like Darren would think that he could pull it off.
I blame the entire Bush regime and its polce state for this crapola and
the local ****ing repukelicans are going to get a face full of fat boy.
Darren was let go from his job at CSU less than a week later. I recieved
this confirmation form Cara Neth the aid to the University President.
From: "Neth,Cara" <Cara.Neth@ColoState.EDU> Add to Address Book

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To: "'zapata105@yahoo.com'" <zapata105@yahoo.com>
Date: Wed, 14 Feb 2007 09:18:31 -0700
Subject: morrison
Hi Duncan,
I’m sorry I was in a meeting when you called yesterday, but I can
confirm that Darren Morrison no longer works for CSU.
Thanks, and take care,
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I hear that fat boy is still unemployed. So sad to bad and no more easy
money from the tax payers for the tax consuming parasite Morrison.
Cara
Cara Neth
Director, Presidential and Administrative
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04-17-2007 12:42 AM
duncan Darren is a frepper nazi who hates all anarchist because he wrongly
Moderator believes that we are communist and athiests.
Registered: Jul 2003 It was just under six years ago when Darren showed his internet bravado
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado by posting a threat directed at me on the old TRT forums. Back then he
Posts: 9017 used the handles Dragonslayer and rattlesnake and the email addy he
used matched the one he uses now and the one he used on the TRT
forum. His email addy was listed in the old CSU directory and this is what
gave him up.
You can go to the TRT forum and ask the forum moderator if in fact this
did happen. www.trtnational.com
When confronted on the TRT forum with these facts he then fessed up to
his threat and began begging for forgiveness long after the fact. Morrison
later quit the TRT when he was told by me that Bob Glass and other TRT
were in fact anarchists.
Morrison thought that he could quit and join and quit and then join
again. He was seen at a rally supporting herr Bush and the presidents
illegal invasion of Iraq while wearing a TRT t-shirt even though he knew
that the TRT was not supporting herr Bush and his illegal war. It was
then that I showed up on the opposite side of the street wearing a TRT t-
shirt to let people know that the TRT would never support a despot like
Bush and the warmongers on the other side of the street went ballistic.
We all rember how I was deluged with posts and threats of violence over
what I had done with my own red,white and blue rag made in China.
Darren saw an opportunity to get even and used the moment of hate to
get the VFW pukes to threaten me. And we all remeber how ineffictive it
went for them.
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04-17-2007 12:53 AM

duncan Morrison has been emailing my friends trying to discover were I live.
Moderator Notice his email addy and how it matches the one he uses on the freeper
website.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Brian Cox" <Wyohammerman@bresnan.net> Add to Address Book Add
Posts: 9017 Mobile Alert
To: "Duncan Philp" <zapata105@yahoo.com>
Subject: FW: Do you know Duncan Philp
Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2007 04:31:22 -0600
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From: Darren Morrison [mailto:rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com]
Sent: Tuesday, April 03, 2007 12:12 PM
To: WyoHammerMan@bresnan.net
Subject: Do you know Duncan Philp
Brain Cox
Hello My name is Darren Morrison
Duncan Philp mentioned that he is a member of ABATE. Well this guy has
made a treat to my life and said he will harm my family members. I have
a Judge in Fort Collins willing to place a permanent restraining order and
all I need is some information about Duncan Philp or somebody willing to
serve him the order. If you don't know this guy then I will have to say
lucky you and I am sorry to bother you.
Darren Morrison
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If I have threatened his family then why doesn't he report me to the Ft.
Collins copscum, who would love to arrest me.
There is no such thng as a permanent restrianing order. He can only get a

criminal restrianing order if criminal charges had been filed agianst me in
regards to harassing or threatening him, yet this is what he has done to
me.
He could do a civil restraining order and I wish he would so that I could

present the judge with Darren's crimnal charges and his harrassment of
me. The judge would bury him for trying to fool the court.
Either way a restrianing order usually have time limits. This only means
that Dufus is stalking me. Please find out were I live Dufus and make my
year.
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04-17-2007 01:05 AM
duncan Darren Morrison

Moderator
"I love southern food, shrimp, catfish, chicken, greens, potatoes. And
Registered: Jul 2003 just about anything you put on my plate."
Posts: 9017
Eat it up Bubba and say hello to the KKK, but please leave dem black
folks alone Bubba Darren.
Attachment: morrison_darren.jpg
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04-17-2007 08:32 PM

duncan Darren shouldn't have a problem with seeing his fat face on the net. He
Moderator did this to me on the freeper forum.
Registered: Jul 2003 I did nothing to him to warrant the kind of things he has done to me.
Posts: 9017
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04-17-2007 08:40 PM
duncan At the point Darren ran for public office he became a public official.
Moderator
This means that any info I get on him by use of the public record can be
Registered: Jul 2003 disseminated on the net.
Posts: 9017 You wanted to be a famous Darren and now you are.
The FBI had known that I never sent the threatening email in question as
they had discovered the exact location of were the email had come from
i.e. a Paramallee Hall PC at CSU. The swine knew that I would not have
access to a PC located in a University residence hall in which most of the
inhabitants are 18 and 19 year olds. Because we are talking about a
major unviersity, which has a student body of over 25,000 people, the
fed had no idea who sent the threatening email in question, but they
knew that I never sent it. Also due to the fact that I live so far away
from CSU would be another reason why I would have not been able to
send that email.
Of course the fed knows were I live and they even say as much in the
Sheriff's contact report about our little tetet at the community college.
And of course the local Sheriff is spying on me and has a secret spy file
on me, that in large part came from the FCPD and the FBI. This sying
and lying crap becmae even more evident after reading the security
guards reports form the community college. So why the guns and threats
to my life? Why do you think? Still looking to get evne over that lost
lawsuit and hoping that if they over react that I will over react with
violecne so that can jusify their killing of me.

The fed went so far as to harass one of my local nieghbors. An old man
in a wheel chair no less who was distraught and upset about being
***ged by the FBI. Another one of the fed's attempts to persecute me by
having the locals feel that I'm a wanted man who is a known criminal.
The irony of it is that the fed needed this anarchist to solve their case for
them and it was this anarchist who did in fact solve their case. It is this
anarchist who has provided evidence to the DA because the copsucker
who arrested Dufus was to lazy to do it and could care less, as I'm the
guy who sued his deparment and won 20K.
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04-19-2007 04:43 PM
duncan Date: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 13:34:31 -0800 (PST)

Moderator From: "brady humphries" <mtnbrian@yahoo.com> Add to Address Book
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Subject: Case Update
Duncan,
I interviewed Darren Morrsion today regarding the threatening emails

that I contacted you about. Darren was arrested and I personally
instructed him not to contact you again. You owe me for that. If you
have any questions, please email me. Thanks for your help.
Brian
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I owe him for what? I solved his f*cking case for him and Dufus is still

harassing me on the net. He is meialing my friends trying to find out

more about me so that he can either f8ck me over or possibly kill me.
Darren is pissed that he was caught f8cking up on a CSU PC. The fat f8ck
is going to court and he's going to jail and it pisses him off that his email
scam didn't touch me and he's looking to get even.
Yesterday I just dropped off a hard copy of those emails Darren sent to
the Jeffco DA Kieth Goman. This last Friday I did an interview with the
CSU newspaper about Dufus.
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04-19-2007 05:30 PM
duncan Darren once claimed that he served in the Marine Corp but when
Moderator confronted on the issue he quickly changes his tune and cliams that he
was a Navy Corpsman aka 'pecker checker'. Not quite the same thing as
Registered: Jul 2003 a Marine.
Posts: 9017 Darren also cliams that he has dyslexia, but no branch of the military will
take anyone who has dyslexia because you would have to be able to
read the label on the vile of urine and the dog tags of the swabby who's
pecker you were checking so as not to confuse the peckers in question if
you were a Navy Corpsman.
This would mean that he is either lying about having served in the
military or having dyslexia. Now why would he lie about having dyslexia?
Ummmm the plot thickens.
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04-22-2007 03:29 PM
liberranter If you know his SSN (or a few other demographic pieces of info), you
Super Moderator can always check through the VA to verify whether or not he has
served.
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Posts: 5865 atrocities of the 'bad' ones." - William Norman Grigg
04-22-2007 03:36 PM
duncan I guess I should back up and explain the overall history between myself
Moderator and this nutcake Darren Morrison. I'll try to make it to short.
Registered: Jul 2003 After I had been a member of the TRT for sometime Darren had decided
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado that he should join and show up for our TRT rallies. To date I have never
Posts: 9017 met this guy on a personal level and I had him pointed out to me by
another CSU employee shortly after Morrison had threatened me with
violence way back in 2001.
Darren became incensed by my TRT street tactics of getting in the face

of the million mom gun grabbers with the use of foul language on my
bullhorn. I wasn't alone in my tactics and in fact these sort of tactic were
encouraged by Bob Glass the then CEO of the TRT.
Darren thought that if he posted a threat of violence directed at me on

the TRT forum that this would scare me away. He used the handles

Dragonslayer and Rattlesnake which also happened to be his email

handles as well, using a lycos.com server and later a yahoo. He posted
that at a TRT rally he would kick my teeth in with my own bullhorn and
shut me up for good.
When I first read this threatening post I had no idea who made the post
and all it did was piss me off. It took me over a year to figure it out who
had made the threatening post. With the help of of anohter University
employee and by matching Darren's email used on the TRT forum with
the his email listed in the CSU directory I had deduced who it was.
I posted my finding on the TRT forum and shortly afterwards Darren

admitted to threatening me. He admitted it on the forum and in public to
other TRT members one of whom still moderater the forum. Just IDing
the fool was all I felt that I needed to do and I had no desire to pursue
the matter as I had discredited him to the TRT membership at large. He
apologized and wanted to be my pal and even inviting me to his church.
After knowing who he was and hearing this idiot talk at a TRT event I
had no desire to be around him and let it go at that. The guy impressed
me as a real dufus and he reminded me of that actor who played the
other brother Darrel on the Bob Newhart show.
He went away for a bit and then we met agian during the war protests
back in 2003 and this is when he began posted his crap on the copwatch.
net forums. Morrison and his ilk of right wing fruit loopes were all
wearing TRT t-shirts in public support of the war and herr Bush and
standing on the corner of College and Mulberry in Ft. Collins. This I could
not tolerate, because the TRT stood in oppostion to the tyrant Bush and
his illegal invasion of Iraq. I did the same only I stood on the war
protester side of the street. This really pissed Darren off as it had
defeated his feeble attempt at using the TRT to promote his bushnik
causes. He has continued to stalk me on the internet ever since.
He became real agitiated by the fact that the TRT was working to reunite
by having picnics at a park and I was in attendance a BOR day functions
held over the years in Loveland, CO. He knew that if showed up for
another TRT event with me present then he would be exposed in public
and in the presence of his aquatiances for his cowardice and lies about
me. Darren wanted me out of the TRT so he elevated his lies by cliaming
to others that I had threatened him, his wife and his children but no one
would buy it, which only made him even angrier than ever. He finally
went over the top by sending out that bogus email. And look what it got
him.
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04-22-2007 03:48 PM
duncan May 1st is just around the corner Darren. Your day of reckoning in about
Moderator to come fat boy.
Registered: Jul 2003 The DA is asking for jail time. Good thing that you are still unemployed
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado as you won't have to worry about losing your job.
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doh
I'll leave a tube of Ky-Gell at the jail house for ya Darren. Bend over and
spread dem cheeks chubby and make room for Bubba.
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04-25-2007 09:41 PM

duncan More hate mail from Morrison.

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Well, it appears you have won dumbcan. No you have not. You won the
battle, not the war. I may be gone for awhile, but you will always have to
look over your shoulder. Keep a good eye looking at all times
dumbcan.... you never know who or when......Your rants go on and on.
Do you really think the people on cop watch take you serious? You dont
talk **** to cops. your a big man postin on the internet, and nothing
more. You are the definition of \"all talk, no ****\" Dumbcan, you are
ridiculed behind your back by every group you are a member of. NO ONE
takes you serious. Enjoy your secret fantasy of people respecting you,
and believeing your trumped up stories. With that being said, just like
the terminator..........ill be back! your secret admirerer
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Won what? Morrison doesn't say. Look of over my shoulder for what
reason and why would a Navy pecker checker be of any concern to me?
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duncan Poor little Darren. His day of reckoning is near. I'll see you in court on
Moderator May 1st at 8am Darren. And I will give this latests threatening email to
the DA, who can turn it over to the fed. Oh my that would mean yet
Registered: Jul 2003 another criminal charge in yet another county. This will be getting very,
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado very expensive for you Darren
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I'm so looking forward to our next TRT Memorial Day picnic on May 28th
at Parish Park in Johnstown, Colorado from 10am to 2pm. We be haivng
alot of fun and games. Games like "Pin the Tial on the Darren Donkey"
and Darren dart boards.
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liberranter quote:
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More hate mail from Morrison.
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Subject: Look real good
From: "duncan hater" <ihateduncan@yahoo.com>
Registered: Jun 2005 Add to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2007 07:24:19 +0000
Posts: 5865
Well, it appears you have won dumbcan. No you

have not. You won the battle, not the war. I may
be gone for awhile, but you will always have to
look over your shoulder. Keep a good eye looking
at all times dumbcan.... you never know who or
when......Your rants go on and on. Do you really
think the people on cop watch take you serious?

You dont talk **** to cops. your a big man postin

on the internet, and nothing more. You are the
definition of \"all talk, no ****\" Dumbcan, you
are ridiculed behind your back by every group you
are a member of. NO ONE takes you serious. Enjoy
your secret fantasy of people respecting you, and
believeing your trumped up stories. With that
being said, just like the terminator..........ill be
back! your secret admirerer
If Morrison sent this to you while under indictment for other crimes,
he most certainly is lacking in the cerebral fibre department. But
then again, I already guessed that this was the case just from
looking at his photo.
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04-27-2007 08:47 PM
duncan The judge and the prosecutor will be getting their own copies of this
Moderator email on May 1st at 8am.
Registered: Jul 2003 The local sheriff got his copy and my a$$ is now covered if I need to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado defend my life from this cop loving fruit cake.
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04-28-2007 12:07 AM
JmE Damn Duncan... I did not know *all* of this was going on in your life.
Senior Member That creepy stuff that is happening to you is just not cool.
I am sincerely saddened to see what this person or persons have been

putting you through...
Registered: Aug 2005
Location: Directly behind you
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BTW: Now I remember what the acronym TRT was. Duh on me...
To this stalker of/person threatening Duncan:
Kiss my arse! Many people respected Duncan in the 1990's and I still
respect him to this day (as I am sure many others do as well).
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04-29-2007 12:47 PM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Originally posted by JmE
To this stalker of/person threatening Duncan:
Kiss my arse! Many people respected Duncan in the

1990's and I still respect him to this day (as I am
sure many others do as well).

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Ditto!
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duncan I feel like one of those rock and roll stars and Darren is one of my groupy stalkers. Gee and I feel so famous and all.
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Ted Nugent sucks!!!!!!!
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Darren and red neck goons like Nugent, never did get the point of the TRT. The point was and still is all about the Bill of
Posts: 9017 Rights. The NRA and Nugent sold all of us gun owners down the river when they worked with the gun grabbers to wrtie up
the Brady Bill, which led to those oppressive back ground checks of innocent gun owners.
Here in Colorado the CBI gestapo abused their power under the pretext of protecting citizens from criminals owning guns.
Copscum don't give a flying f*ck about gun rights, they only look for ways to justify their pathetic existence so they go
after law abiding gun owners by lying about the leading defenders of the second amendment and keeping secret files on
us. The Denver PD does in fact have a spy file on the TRT and what law did we ever break? Who did we ever threaten with
violence?
The VP of the Bell Campaign hit one of our leading members in the face at a TRT rally we held at CU. This Tyrant struck
Shariar Gilham in the nose with a bullhorn and in fact it was my bullhron that Shaririar got hit with. I was there and saw
the whole thing. At another rally it was Sheri Trine a member of the Commie Mommies who hit TRT member Rex Kroemer
in the face with a clip board and then there was the time another Million Mom twit of male persuasion verbally threatened
Mike Morris our then TRT webmaster. But did the f*cking swine keep a file on any of these violent gun grabbers? Hell no
they didn't.
Darren was a copsucker plant sent to destroy and distrupt our freedom fighting organization. He used the same crapppy
lies the copsuckers use when they lie aobut me "Duncan is a commie", "Duncan is a member of the Laporte Church of
Christ aka a Nazi.", "Duncan only joins other organizations of promote his hidden agenda.", "Duncan is using the death of
Sells to promote his poltical agenda.", "Duncan is insane.", "Duncan is a threat to society and so we must monitor his every
post.".
F8cking swine just can't seem to make up their minds. First I'm a commie and then I'm a Nazi. These dumbas$$
copsuckers can't even tell the difference between a Nazi and a Communist. The copscum are the Nazi's here, as only a Nazi
would dress in black and keep secret files on political disidents like me. Calling them Nazi's may be a bit extreme, but at
the very least they have Nazi like ways i.e. the use of violence to exact conformity even if no violence is warranted and the
use of disinformation towards political activists. These copscukers went so far as to call the Quakers of all people "Criminal
Extemists", simply becuase they abhore violence and are oppsoed to herr Bush's illegal war in Iraq.
The NRA has become a copster organization and in bed with the very Nazi like people who would kick our doors in and kill
us if we refuse to allow anyone to confiscate our property i.e. the gun. Clearly the copsuckers love gun control. They
arrested me in Denver for enforcing a state statute which allows a person to carry a gun for self defense. On the JPFO
website you can read an interview that Peter Mancus had with Sebastipol copsucker who stated that he would in fact kill
innocent gun owners if he had to if he was ordered to enforce any and all illegal gun confiscation laws, because as Officer
Smith had stated he did not want to lose his coveted pension.
Darren and his ilk who reside within the TRT are coplovers. They sit down and have lunch with the swine only to eat up
every one of the FCPD lies and then never bother to check out the bogus info that they are fed. These people are drones,
they bite at every stupid conspiracy theory that comes down the pike and never once do they apply an ounce of logic to
waht ever it is they are fed. If some swine calls me a Communist then hell it must be true, because some copsucker said it
was so.
These are the same idiots who bought into what ever "Mark from Michigan" was feeding them about the UN invading the
US and that was 15 years ago and still I see any UN forces invading. Now why would the US government need the UN
Army to invade when the US military has plenty of its own thugs for this sort of thing?
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04-29-2007 08:14 PM
duncan http://www.wyomingnetwork.com/forum...p?TOPIC_ID=3261
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Morrison is still posting his crap on this forum. The forum is pro-Cheyenne, no matter how f8cked we are, forum. This
Registered: Jul 2003 emans that the people who run the forum supprt the Cheynne city government and the Cheyenne PD to include the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado incredible Bob fecht with his phoney mail order degree.
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The people who run the forum supported the killing of Sells and the cover up whihc followed. So you can see how that's
gonna go when i post a pro-Sells anto Cheyenne position.
On this thread Darren admits to the fact that he is colusion with copscum of Cheyenne and Ft. Collins.
"I am copscum, according to Copwatch I was in the wrong. Yesterday on my way to the gym I drove past a car accident. I
drove past slowly to the right of the three cars in the collision. As I was driving by I noticed one guy with an arm very
blood so I went around the corner and parked my car. I got there just as the cop arrived. I assisted the cop in treating the
injured people and stayed with this cop until Paramedics arrived."
"Oh my I assisted a cop I an a villain according to the folks at copwatch. So if that makes me scum then I will were that
badge with honor at least my wife things I am a hero even if those guys don’t. Me and that cop most likely saved that guys
live but that doesn’t matter."
Anyone buying this crap? No names, dates or locations but he'll post his real name.
"I posted this tread because Duncan is harassing my family. Duncan makes up a lot of things about me. The only thing that
is true is I did send and email to tom Mouser claiming to be Duncan after Duncan threaten my life. That was a foolish thing
to do. I am very sorry I hurt Tom Mouse with the email my intend was to get Duncan aerated by it back fired on me. Now I
got Duncan stocking my family members. I only want to get Duncan top stay away from my slender wife and my kid.
Duncan lives in Cheyenne and he fits the same profile as the guy in Virginia Tech. Duncan is a loner obsessed with guns.
He was out to get me long be fore I sent that email. He has been threatening me and many others even Cheyenne Police
officers. A fort Collins Police officer who is also a Marine Corps reservist and is now in Iraq, Duncan put it upon him sell to
post the were about of his wife and kids. Why would he do this people because he wants people to harm this mans family.
He celebrates cops killed in action. People Of Cheyenne beware Duncan is a bully and a loner, he fits the profile on not only
the VT killer but the columbine killers as well."- Morrison
The dumba$$ publicly admits his crime on the net. Once agian no names or dates of when I supposedly threatened any
copscum. I don't live in Cheyenne nor is Darren's wife slender. She is a big fat p*g who looks alot like Darren.
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04-29-2007 11:31 PM
duncan Fat boy supporting the war on freedom. Darren hates Mexican Nationals because one of them got his old job as a janitor at
Moderator CSU.

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Attachment: sbr006.jpg
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04-30-2007 12:07 AM

JmE quote:
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Originally posted by Remo Jackson
Blah, Blah, Blah.
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Coimhead fearg fhear na foighde ~ (Beware the anger of a patient man) - Irish/Gaelic phrase
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I respectfully dissent without further mooting cum hoc ergo propter hoc distinction of inalienable rights based upon genotype of any H. s. sapiens.
-- JmE, 'Heinz 57'
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04-30-2007 06:49 PM
duncan Did someone fart? Cause I smell something awful. It smells like a Morrison was just here and took a dump on my forum.
Moderator
Tommorow is May Day for our little commie friend Darren. Off to jail for you Darren. I'll see you first thing in the morning
Registered: Jul 2003 and I will be handing your latest email threat to the DA , along with a copy of your admission on the Wyoming Home forum.
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04-30-2007 08:07 PM
duncan Darren finally makes news.

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http://media.www.collegian.com/media/storage/pap...r-2887975.shtml
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Ex-CSU employee threatened Columbine father. Twisted plot sparks FBI investigation, ends in heartbreak.
J. David McSwane
Issue date: 4/30/07 Section: News
Darren Morrison
More than a month after he pleaded not guilty, a former CSU janitor confessed to the Collegian that he recently sent a
threatening e-mail to the father of a student killed in the 1999 Columbine High School Massacre.
"I just want to go in and say I'm guilty," Darren Morrison, who is set to appear in court Tuesday, told the Collegian last
week. "Whatever the judge says, I deserve it, and I'll just take it… I can be a real jerk when I get on the Internet."
Morrison is charged with harassment, a class three misdemeanor, and is set to appear in Jefferson County Court Tuesday.
If convicted, Morrison, 45, could spend up to six months in jail and pay a fine of up to $750.
Morrison sent the e-mail in December to Tom Mauser, a gun control activist who lost his son, Daniel, in the shootings at
Columbine High School, where gunmen Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold killed 12 students and a teacher before taking their
own lives.
In a videotaped interview with Collegian reporters last week, Morrison confessed to sending the e-mail that spoke of
violence with a .50-caliber handgun - a gun powerful enough to shoot an airplane from the sky.
Mauser, who was featured in Michael Moore's Oscar-winning documentary about gun control, "Bowling for Columbine," has
seen his fair share of death threats.
But Mauser says the e-mail sent by Morrison - who posed as a well-known guns rights activist - was especially frightening.
"It was very upsetting," Mauser said. "You never know when one of these folks might go off with a gun."
In the e-mail, Morrison posed as Duncan Philp, 50, a CSU alum and prominent gun rights advocate who has a turbulent
history with the Mauser family.
With guns drawn, FBI agents and police approached Philp on December 15 in a parking lot.
"These guys are pointing guns at me, and I didn't do anything wrong," Philp told the Collegian earlier this month. "When
people point guns at me and you post this kind of crap on the Internet, that's b.s… he screwed up."
After being cleared of any wrongdoing, Philp pointed investigators to Morrison, who had worked as a custodian in Parmelee
Hall for the better part of a decade.
"I just didn't think things through," the Fort Collins resident said. "I hit the send button, and it was too late… it's the worst
thing I've ever done."
Morrison admits to sending the threatening e-mail, but says there's more to the story.
In the wake of the eighth anniversary of the Columbine shootings and the Virginia Tech massacre that claimed the lives of
32 people, Morrison says his conscience is heavy.
But his past will continue to haunt him as he approaches a trial.
Holding back tears, Morrison said he sent the threatening e-mail to protect his family from a long-time enemy and staunch
gun rights activist - Philp - who Morrison says threatened his life on an Internet forum.
In a detailed e-mail apology, Morrison tells the father of a Columbine victim, who also has a long history with Philp, that he
sent the e-mails not to hurt the Mauser family, but to protect his own family.
"It was very wrong and distasteful, what I had done. I did not intend to hurt you, only Duncan (Philp), but in my anger I
did not think my actions through," the e-mail said.
The e-mail goes on to chronicle what Morrison now calls a "childish" exchange of threatening e-mails and posts.
Morrison and Philp, once fellow gun rights activists, had a falling out years ago at a second amendment rally in Denver.
Since then, the two have had numerous spats on different chat sites and forums. And both admit to heated exchanges on
the Internet, including an exchange on the comments section of the Collegian Web site, collegian.com.
Morrison alleges that Philp eventually posted a death threat on a site both subscribed to.
Then, Morrison says he did what he thought was necessary to protect his family.
Posing as Philp, Morrison set up an almost identical e-mail account and sent the threatening e-mails to the father of
Columbine victim Daniel Mauser.
"I wasn't thinking all the way through. I was thinking about getting the feds or police after Duncan (Philp)," Morrison said.
"I wasn't thinking about the other side; I didn't think about what it would do to Tom and his family."
But Philp says he never threatened Morrison.
"The guy's not there," Philp said. "If you want to sit down and talk to me, I'm always willing talk. If you don't agree with
me, I'm not going to threaten to kill you."
Philp, who identifies himself as "a political agitator," is notorious for organizing demonstrations and protests in the name of
gun rights, including at least one outside of Mauser's Littleton home.
He's caused a little commotion on the CSU campus, too.
Dell Rae Moellenberg, a CSU spokeswoman, said Philp has "a history" with the CSU Police Department.
"I had a lot of run-ins with CSUPD over political ideologies," Philp said of his stay at CSU, which lasted from 1993 to 2000,
when he graduated with a degree in political science.
Philp says he's bragged to Mauser about purchasing a .50-caliber handgun after winning a 2003 lawsuit in Jefferson
County, after police illegally stopped him from protesting outside of Mauser's home.
So, keeping in mind Philp's tumultuous history with Mauser and law enforcement, Morrison said he sent the e-mails to get
Philp - the obvious suspect - arrested.

And he almost succeeded.
"The Deputy looked like he was freaking out. He was shaking," Philp said of his recent run-in with law enforcement. "I
became incensed by this sort of police mentality of pointing guns at people, especially when they're innocent."
The Collegian obtained raw video from a police squad car, which shows Philp in a rage as FBI agents and police approached
him on the Laramie Community College campus, where Philp was attending classes.
"The deputy flashed his shiny little badge at me, and I told him what to do with it," Philp told the Collegian, adding that
what he told the officer wasn't appropriate to repeat.
FBI documents show that Philp, once a suspect, became a victim in the investigation.
"It is complicated, and there's so much involved," Philp said. "This guy's a janitor who's worked at CSU for 10 years,
sucking up my tax dollars, and he dumps on me. I don't like it… I don't need this kind of crap."
A Colorado courts database and federal courts database search shows Philp has two restraining orders filed against him,
including one filed by Morrison last March.
Morrison says he was "a little bit at ease" after hearing Philp was nearly arrested, but says he didn't think about how the
threats would affect Mauser and his family.
"If I would have thought things through, I wouldn't have done it," the ex-janitor said. "I've been beating myself up
everyday for four months."
Making it right
What Morrison saw as a way to get a long-time foe in legal trouble soon spawned an FBI investigation, which eventually led
agents and police to CSU.
"I wish I could go back in time and undo my wrong to you. If there is anything you want me to do, I will," Morrison said in
an e-mail to Mauser. "I am a family man myself. I could never have done the great things you have if what happened to
you happened to me."
While Mauser says he is "an overly trusting guy," he says that's no excuse for the fear and pain his family went through.
"I want Darren to understand what the impact of this is," Mauser said.
Although Mauser said he is not ready to talk with Morrison about the threats just yet, adding that the anniversary of the
Columbine shootings and the recent massacre on the Virginia Tech campus had taken a toll on his family, he did respond to
Morrison's e-mail.
Mauser calls the threats "despicable" and says he was forced to tell security personnel at his work to be on the lookout for
a gun-toting madman, which he found embarrassing.
But he did also level with Morrison.
"I appreciate your statement of remorse. I appreciate that you spoke against Philp's plan to protest my house… I
appreciate that you've acknowledged the terrible and stupid mistakes you made," the e-mail said.

Morrison is set to face trial after a pre-trial hearing this week. Once in front of the judge, Morrison says he will plead guilty,
despite his initial plea of "not guilty" in March.
"I just want to go on with my life," Morrison said. "No matter what the court does, I still owe a debt to Tom. Anything he
wants I would do for him. I would bend over backwards for him, if he wanted me to."
Both victims of the threats said they intend to show up at the court proceedings.
Moellenberg and other CSU officials said they are unable to confirm that the e-mails were sent from a CSU computer
because the e-mail was sent from a private account, which is not public record.
Morrison said he isn't sure if he sent the e-mail from home or from a CSU computer, but said he gave his computer away,
in hopes that he can move on.
"I'd like to apologize to (Mauser's) face and be a man," he said. "I could say I'm sorry 100 times, but it's not going to be
good enough."
Senior reporter Emily Polak contributed to this report.
Associate news managing editor J. David McSwane and senior reporter Emily Polak can be reached at news@collegian.com.
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05-01-2007 06:45 PM

duncan WOW!!!!!
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Darren still cliams that I threatened him and his family with violence, yet he can't site the time or place in which this
Registered: Jul 2003 occured.
Posts: 9017 Darren conviently ignores the fact the he was the one who threatened me with violence on the old TRT forums.
"If I ever see Duncan at another TRT rally I will kick his teeth in with his bullhorn."
At the time Morriosn was using the handles rattle snake and Dragon Slayer. I had no idea at the time who had posted the
threat and it would be months later before I had discovered it was him when I was able to match his email addy used on the
TRT forum to the same eamil addy he had listed in the CSU directory.
When I first dicovered the fact that it was Morirson who had posted threat I then posted my discovery on the TRT forums
back in 2001. Darrem admitted to the threat on the TRt forum and I let it go at that.
It was back in October of last year that Morrison began to send me harassing emails which I would repost on the TRT forum.
I still have most of them on file.
Morrison would post on the TRT forums in repsonse to the emails he had been sending me and I would respond as well.
After a while the TRT moderator got tired of it all and deleted much of the flamming. That was until after my arrest and
Darren's bogus emails.
There is a gap between Nov of 2006 and Dec. 7th of 2006 because most of Darrens post's had been deleted and he was
banned from the TRT forum by the modertor.
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Duncan Philp - Nov 12, 2006 6:20 pm (#12 of 54) Delete MessageReply
FBI #4629WA9 and I'm proud to be an amerikan
Could the webmaster place a sperate TRT memorial set on the website for the following TRT members.
Carol Greenhill
Mike McCormick
Norm Reznick
Alan Albertus
Ted Benglen (sic)
And there was young man with the TRT Fife and Drum Corp who's name I never knew that had died a few years back.
Duncan Philp - Dec 7, 2006 4:43 pm (#13 of 54) Delete MessageReply

Add Darren Morrison to the list.
Poor Darren we knew him well.

[Brindfan]Brindfan - Dec 7, 2006 4:44 pm (#14 of 54) Reply

"The only thing worse than a knee-jerk liberal is a knee-pad conservative." - Edward Abbey (1927-1989)
Darren is on another list.
Duncan Philp - Dec 8, 2006 1:00 am (#15 of 54) Delete MessageReply

The neo-con list of leading party members?
Llama - Dec 9, 2006 1:38 am (#16 of 54) Reply
I'll check with the powers that be. If they say it's OK I have no problem doing it.
Duncan Philp - Jan 4, 2007 1:59 pm (#17 of 54) Delete MessageReply

Rumor has that our boy Darren is about to get a visit from the fed.
Better him than me, but then I already got my visit.
Duncan Philp - Jan 8, 2007 4:25 pm (#18 of 54) Delete MessageReply

Our boy Darren was arrested by the FBI today for trying to pose as me.
Or so I was just told by agent Schmit of the FBI.
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To: zapata105@yahoo.com Duncan, I interviewed Darren Morrsion today regarding the threatening emails that I contacted
you about. Darren was arrested and I personally instructed him not to contact you again. You owe me for that. If you have
any questions, please email me. Thanks for your help. Brian
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"Add Darren Morrison to the list."
Darren is trying to cliam that this post made by me was a death threat. No death threat in that statement and most of the
later post's Darren had made up to that point had all been deleted, so I have no way of showing what he had posted and
what threats he had made towards me at the time.
The point of his harrassing emails to me was to get me to email him a threat of violence. He was trying to goad me into
comitting a crime and to be sure he alot of coaching form some copster.
I have never been served a summons to appear in court to answer the issue of a restrianing order. I have been told that a
summons has been field with the court but not yet served. The court document in question was filed this past March, yet my
supposed death threat directed at Morrison was posted on December 15th, 2006 almost three months after the fact and two
months after Darren's arrest.
Why didn't Morrison file his summons in December or January? Why did he wait until March after his intial arrest anf first
court date? If I'm stalking the liar then why hasn't he reported it to the police? Morrison is now using the courts to further

harass me. We will be in court soon to answer these questions in front of a judge.
My comment was not a death threat it was posted in repsonse to the fact that Darren had been banned permantly from the
forum.
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05-01-2007 07:22 PM
duncan Your all done Morrison. You pled guilty to the crime.
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"Holding back tears, Morrison said he sent the threatening e-mail to protect his family from a long-time enemy and staunch
Registered: Jul 2003 gun rights activist - Philp - who Morrison says threatened his life on an Internet forum." - Collegian
Posts: 9017 Your BS story about an imagined death threat won't fly little man. You committed your email crime on December 6th at
approx 6:40pm. My post on the trt forum about adding you to the list was done on December 7th the day after your crime
was committed. Ergo your story about sending out the bogus email to Mauser and the fed in attempt to protect you family
from me over a post made on the trt forum is in fact a proven lie.
Oppsy!!!! Gotcha and try agian.
What a pathetic little man. So obsessed that he would lie to get another man killed. A man who did nothing to him or his
family.
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05-02-2007 12:30 AM
duncan http://media.www.collegian.com/media/storage/pap...s-2891169.shtml
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Ex-janitor pleads guilty to threats
Registered: Jul 2003 Victim accepts apologies
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Emily Polak
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Issue date: 5/2/07 Section: News
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Darren Morrison
Duncan Philp
GOLDEN - A former CSU janitor who was the subject of a Collegian investigation pleaded guilty Tuesday to sending
threatening e-mails to the father of a student killed in the 1999 Columbine High School Massacre.
Darren Morrison, 45, worked as a janitor in Parmelee Hall for a decade and quit shortly after being charged with
harassment in January for sending e-mails that threatened violence with a .50-caliber handgun.
Morrison- posing as a prominent guns rights activist - sent three e-mail threats to a Littleton man, Tom Mauser, whose son
was among the 13 killed by gunmen Eric Harris Dylan Klebold at Columbine High School.
Mauser read the vulgar and insulting e-mails to Collegian reporters.
"I will disrupt your life and I will be armed… I have a militia at my disposal, so you better be afraid, be very, very afraid,"
one of the e-mails said.
The next e-mail prompted Mauser to contact the Jefferson County Sheriff's office.
"Tommy boy, you better watch out, you better not cry because (we're) coming for you. Maybe not your house. Maybe your
office. And maybe a smear campaign," the second e-mail said.
"I have a laser sight on my .50-cal as well as a homemade silencer. I have spotted planes flying into DIA. I could easily
shoot one down, so don't take any trips for a while."
Morrison is set to be sentenced June 1 in Jefferson County Court, where Mauser and another victim are expected to weigh
in. If convicted, he could spend up to six months in jail and pay a fine of up to $750.
Morrison later sent an apology e-mail to the Columbine father and gun control activist. Mauser said he believes the ex-
janitor learned his lesson, and hopes the court sentences him to community service, and not jail time.

"He's got a family," Mauser said of the former CSU janitor. "I think he was pretty foolish, pretty stupid. And I don't think
he's vicious."
In the threats, Morrison posed as Duncan Philp, 50, a CSU alum and gun rights activist who previously protested outside of
the Columbine father's home.
Morrison alleges that Philp ¬- who he met in a guns rights activist group - threatened his life, and says he sent the e-mails,
posing as Philp, to get him arrested.
But Philp says he never threatened the former CSU employee.
"Clearly, I am the victim," Philp said. " I asked the DA for jail time, a psych evaluation and therapy… I don't think they
(prosecutors) are all that concerned about me."
Morrison and Philp have a long history of harassing disputes on chat sites and various Internet forums, including some on
the Collegian Web site, Collegian.com.
And Morrison says it was a death threat posted by Philp that prompted him to send threats to Mauser.
Collegian reporters found the Web post that Morrison perceived to be a threat on his life. The post was made on the
Tyranny Response Team Web forum, trtnational.com. Morrison and Philp met years ago through their involvement with
TRT, a guns rights activist group.
Philp admits to posting a message on the forum last November that requested the installation of a memorial site for five
deceased TRT members.
Below it, Philp made another post ¬- three weeks later - that Morrison says made him fear for his life.
"Add Darren Morrison to the list," the post said. 'Poor Darren, we knew him well."
Philp says the message wasn't a death threat.
"If I wanted to kill the guy, I would have years ago," he said. "It's not a death threat… I'm the victim here."
Philp says he wants to see Morison punished for the e-mail threats that prompted FBI agents and officers to approach him
in a Wyoming parking lot with guns drawn.
But Patrick Fitz-Gerald, deputy district attorney for Jefferson County, says seeking justice for Philp is secondary.
"All we've got at this point is the harassment case," he said. "It seems like Mr. Mauser got caught in the middle. This is a
more serious harassment case than I usually see."
Sentencing was postponed because Mauser didn't appear in court to present, Fitz-Gerald said, and Mauser is the victim.
Philp disagreed.
"The end result was I nearly got killed over his little game," Philp said in reference to the armed FBI encounter that
resulted from the threats. "I don't think he understands the extent of what he did."
A separate case would have to be filed to address the identity theft aspect of the case and any damages imposed on Philp
or his reputation.
Mauser says he wants all parties involved to "just move on."

"These two guys are just unbelievable," he said.
After pleading guilty Morrison said he feared for his family's stability.
"I'm afraid of going to jail," Morrison said. "I'm hoping I don't get jail time because I'd lose my job."
Associate news managing editor J. David McSwane contributed to this report.
Staff writer Emily Polak can be reached at news@collegian.com.
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05-02-2007 03:50 PM
duncan Morrison claims that I have threatened his family with violence, yet to date he has provided no evidence to support his
Moderator cliam. Morrison sites a one sentence quote on the trtnational.com forums and states that the post was a threat and it was
this threat which led him to his crime.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The citation which Morrison was issued shows that his crime was comitted on 12/6/06. The post which Morriosn points to
Posts: 9017 on the TRT forum was made on 12/7/06. Thsi would clearly indicate that Morrison sent out his email to Mauser not in an
effort to protect himself or his family, but an effort to carry out a vendaetta due to his unstable mental capacity.
It is unfortunate that when any large political organization, like the TRT exists it cannot be help when a real live mental
case joins that group who has hidden motives in mind when he joins. I sure that Safe Colorado and Handgun Control inc.
have the very same problems.
It is also unfortunate that certain members of gun control groups and would seek to exploit the deaths of innocent students
to further their agenda. And to exploit this case of a mentally deranged individual seeking vengance on another who has
comitted no crime.
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05-02-2007 04:13 PM
JmE What a CF!

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It appears that 'some are more equal than others'.
I am outraged that they ignored the obvious damage that has been done to Duncan in this whole fiasco.
Location: Directly behind you There was one offender (IMO) and Duncan was a victim.
Posts: 861
How is Duncan any less important to the 'justice' system than Mauser?!?!?!
quote:
After pleading guilty Morrison said he feared for his family's stability.
"I'm afraid of going to jail," Morrison said. "I'm hoping I don't get jail time because I'd lose my
job."
Boo-friggin-hoo! You need a WHOLE LOT of jail time bubba!
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05-02-2007 04:30 PM
duncan I've been told that this story has made KOA radio which is a big Denver station and KCOL a Ft. Collins station.
Moderator
Mauser will exploit this to serve his agenda of total gun control. Mauser stated publicly at a CU event some years back that
Registered: Jul 2003 he wanted the govenrment to outlaw all assault rifles. This means gun confiscation and more of a police state than what we
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado already have.
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How sick can the guy get? To exploit a mentally deranged man and abuse me in the process to achive his ends of getting
even with all gun owners over the death of his child.
The game is on and this is how political game is played. You will get to see the gun grabbers lie to achieve their ends.
Mauser and his ilk will beat the drums to outlaw .50 calibers rifles, even though no violent crime was committed here. I do
in fact own a .50 caliber rifle and I have had it for a few years now. Thanks to the 20k lawsuit against the corrupt Jeffco
sheriff's department , the very department that Mauser worked with to violate my rights, I was able to purchase it.
Why shouldn't a veteran of the military, who operated a .50 caliber machine gun while he served, not be allowed to own
one? Tell me Mr. Mauser what gives you and your ilk the right to tell an honorably discharged veteran what kind of gun he
can and can't own? How dare you people spit on our service and treat us like we were all criminals simply because we own
what you have deemed to be the wrong kind of gun. People have died in battle for our right to own a gun for any reason
we deem. i won the .50 caliber rifle not because I need it. I own it because people like you don't want people like me to
own any kind of gun to be used for self defense.
Come on Mauser I once again challenge you to a public debate on this issue, but only this time the arguement shall have a
new twist to it. You and your ilk are attacking gun owning military veterans. Would you have an Iraq war veteran arrested
for owning a .50 caliber rifle? Your the one who turned this thing into a gun debate not me.
We are all gonna see a lot of hits on this website boys and girls. Copwatch will be in the news.
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05-02-2007 06:29 PM
duncan To: zapata105@yahoo.com

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Kill and dos lately. It is so week of you to shoot a defencless little

puppy dog. You are a scum. You are connected with Nazi's and you are a member of Pete Peter's church so stop the fake
bull **** everyone knows you are a Fag and a hate monger. You dumb ***. You commie loving plant.
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Notice the bad spelling and how it matches the two people who recently posted in our "Welcome" forum.
I'm a commie and a nazi both according to the idiot. Dufus sent dozens of emails like this using fake email addy's and
names. I saved them all and gave them to the fed.
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05-02-2007 08:38 PM
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look at this:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1756921/posts
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More hate mail from Darren.
Bill of Rights day was the very day that the fed harassed me at the community college and same day we had our BOR Day
event in Loveland. Dufus had emailed me that he had called the Loveland PD who would be presnet at our event to arrest
me and that he would be there to see me get arrested. Of course nothing had happened other than Tom Buchannan was
there and was shocked to learn what Darren had done to me. Apparently Dufus had a falling out with a few of the TRT
members because no one was buying his BS stories about me.
In one of Darren's bio's he cliams that he was a member of the Colorado Fife and Drum Corp yet the president Dave Lesure
has never heard of him and Darren never showed up for McCormick's funeral services. McCormick was a member of the
CFDC so why did he pretend to be Mike's pal? I'd known McCormick for around 15 years and we were never close freinds.
Mike was a local gun dealer whom I had purchased gun from and sold guns to. Mike was tight with the local copsuckers
and he was an ardent supporter of herr Bush and herr Bush's illegal invasion of Iraq. So you can see that we didn't agree
on much of anything poltical, but I liked the guy and respected him and as as knew he didn't hate my guts like Dufus does.
When anyone I know on a personal level dies I will if possible show up for their funeral services. Mike supported gun rights
and he had worked hard at doing the best he could to save the second amendment from being trashed and this for no
other reason I respected the guy. McCormick was also a member of the Colorado Fife and Drum Corp as was Darren and as
is Liesure.
With this knowledge it didn't take me long to figure out were the BS was coming from i.e. a little weasel by the name of
Liesure.
I think that Dufus really believes his own deranged BS and this is what makes him dangerous. His seesm to have dillusions
that anyone who is an anarchist is the devil himself and most be killed at all costs.
I knew Albertus and we had no love for one another. Albertus hated Bob Glass and on several occassion he had politically
stabbed the guy in the back. This so-called Christian Albertus was a drunk and a back stabber. He died in a house fire
years ago in which the fire was started by a faulty heat tape wrap, which had been wrapped around a water pipe and then
wrapped around the heat tape was insulation which had ignited and spread through out the house. The local fire fighters
were to scared to go into the buring house and possibly save Albertus because the ammo he had inside his home was
popping off. I didn't go to his funeral as I felt it would have been hypocritical to support a guy whom I had despised and
who despised me. I could see this clown standing around the gun shop talking sh*t about me behind my back. Just another
cop lover who had in fact served as a cop in the USAF.
I had known Carol Greenhill for over ten years. The woman never had bad thing to say about anyone and I mean anyone.
She was a kind hearted woman who tried her best to uphold and defend the BOR in her own way. She was in a CU hospital
in Denver located on 9th and Colorado blvd right next to the Denver VA and I went to see her. She had cancer and they
had removed a tumor located along the spine and kindey. Darren never knew this woman nor even bothered to visit her
while she was sick. She left the hospital in Denver and went back to Grand Junction to a hospice set up and later died. I
couldn't make her funeral due to the traveling distance.
Morrison makes me sick when he pretends to speak for one of my dead friends. When he lies about Carol and myself he
really makes me angry. Morrison is a piece of sh*t.
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05-02-2007 08:43 PM
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People ask me, “Why did Morrison try to frame you?” My answer to them is simple. Hatred, the hatred for one man based
Registered: Jul 2003 on that man’s beliefs and the manner in which that man publicly expressed those beliefs. Morrison’s response to this same
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado question has been, “ Duncan threatened my life.” and cites this as his rational for issuing bogus emails to Tom Mauser in
Posts: 9017 an attempt to harm me. If I had threatened his life then why didn’t he call the police? Morrison doesn’t say. Morrison offers
us no reason as to why I would threaten his life. He can only point to a post made on an internet discussion forum as his
proof, “Add Darren to the list. …. Poor Darren, we knew him well.” The problem with Morrison’s claim is that he committed
his crime on 12/6/06 and that my post was made on 12/7/06. Morrison ignores the fact that my post was made in
reference to him being banned due a flame war and that many of his posts had been deleted prior to the post made on
12/7/06.
The question still remains. Why did Morrison try to frame me? With any kind of political organization you will see that a
variety of people can and will join. Of the many people who join there will always be members with hidden agendas and
even some who are mentally unstable. It is no different with an organization like Handgun Control Inc. or a pro-gun

organization like the Tyranny Response Team. It can’t be helped and it is inevitable that there will eventually be dissent
among the ranks. And as we have seen this dissent can lead to some ugly things. Morrison was a dissenter, who after
joining the TRT had learned that many of its members were libertarians, and this had offended his Christian senses.
Morrison has posted on a right-wing forum that he feels libertarians are all communists who support the wide spread use of
illegal drugs and that “…. tons of them are homosexuals… “. Morrison had wanted this out spoken anarchist gone from the
TRT, because I appeared to him to represent the very things that he hated most.
As an anarchist, who is politically outspoken, I understand the risks involved in joining a political organization and having
to encounter people like Morrison. I have political enemies to the right and to the left of me. The left wants the state to
control gun ownership and some to the point of gun confiscation.
A few on the right wants to control free speech to the point of making it a federal crime to burn a red, white a blue rag
made in communist China. My anarchist position of no gun control and public flag desecrations makes for political enemies
like Tom Mauser and Darren Morrison, both of whom are eager to use the state to silence this out spoken ‘political
agitator’. It was Mauser who had called upon the state to bring their guns and possibly use them on me. For exercising my
right to free speech by protesting his position on gun control at his very door step back in 12/15/01. This would later lead
to a federal lawsuit in which I was awarded $20,000. And it was Morrison who had also attempted to use law enforcement
to get even with me when he issue his despicable lies via email, which shortly afterwards led to my encounter with at least
ten armed police on 12/15/06.
It should be noted that December 15th is in fact Bill of Rights Day and prior to 1/8/07 both Mauser and Morrison were
employed by the State of Colorado . I find it ironic that Mauser, an advocate of gun-control, would call on the police with
their guns to protect him from an imaginary threat. And I also see it as ironic that Morrison, who states that he is an ultra-
conservative Christian opposed to big government, had worked for CSU for ten years and had allegedly issued his
threatening emails from a state owned computer. These two men are just a classic example of why I feel that the state
should be abolished and they only serve to support my political positions in this regard.
A close friend of mine, who is a closet anarchist, told me after having read the story in the Collegian , “It’s not so much
what you say Duncan, but it’s way you say it and often the way you say it tends to piss a lot of people off.” I had to agree
with my friend and he had in essence answered the question of why Morrison had committed his crime in attempt to frame
me.
Duncan Philp, CSU Alum and ‘political agitator’
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05-07-2007 04:47 PM
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Report: Former CSU Janitor Says He Sent Threat To Dad Of Columbine Victim
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado POSTED: 4:45 am MDT April 30, 2007
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FORT COLLINS, Colo. -- A campus newspaper reported that a former Colorado State University janitor said he sent a
threatening e-mail to the father of a Columbine victim to get a foe in trouble.
The Rocky Mountain Collegian reported that Darren Morrison confessed in a videotaped interview.
He was due to appear in Jefferson County Court Tuesday on a charge of harassment.
Morrison is accused of sending an e-mail in December to Tom Mauser that spoke of gun violence. But the e-mail was sent
under the name of Duncan Philp, a gun rights advocate who once protested outside Mauser's home.
Morrison told the Collegian he has sparred with Philp in Internet forums.
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Former CSU Janitor Pleads Guilty To Threatening E-Mails
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DENVER -- A former CSU janitor pleaded guilty on Tuesday to sending threatening e-mails to the father of a student killed
at Columbine.
Darren Morrison, 45, worked as a janitor in Parmelee Hall on the CSU campus for five years but quit soon after he was
charged with harassment in January.
The Collegian, a campus newspaper, had first reported that Morrison said he sent threatening e-mails to Tom Mauser,
whose son was among the 13 killed at Columbine High School, in order to get a foe in trouble.
"I will disrupt your life and I will be armed… I have a militia at my disposal, so you better be afraid, be very, very afraid,"
one of the e-mails said, according to the Collegian.
In the e-mails Morrison posed as Duncan Philp, 50, a CSU alum and gun rights activist who had previously protested
outside Mauser's home, the Collegian said.
Morrison said that he sent the threats to Mauser posing as Philp to try and get the gun rights activist arrested. The
Collegian said Morrison is also a gun rights activist, and met Philp at a gun rights group where he said Philp threatened his
life.
Morrison is set to be sentenced June 1 in Jefferson County Court, and if convicted, he could spend up to six months in jail
and pay a fine of up to $750.
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05-08-2007 04:00 PM
duncan I filed a police report with the Laramie County Sheriff's office in Cheyenne and I will do the same with the Denver FBI office.
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Here is a short list of Darren's crimes.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 1. Terroristic threats via the internet.
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2. Identity theft via the internet.
3. Giving false information to law enforcement for the purpose of getting another arrested.
4. Criminal harrasement.
5. Criminal libel and slander for the purpose of getting another arrested.
6. Lying to law enforcement officials to avoid prosecution.
The Laramie County can sue Darren for the money they have lost in his little internet scam.
Bend over Darren and get ready to take another round in the shorts. Darren claims that he wants to move on with is life, if
so then why does he continue to post lies about me on the net? Why did he send his threatening email to me on April 27th
just days before he was found guilty in court for the crime of harassement.
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05-10-2007 08:58 PM

duncan There was alot of sensationalistic journalism in this story and alot of ignorance to boot.
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There is not a .50 caliber hand gun in existence that can shoot an airliner out of the sky. Oh Paleeeeze. A caliber is
Registered: Jul 2003 measured by the circumference of the round or shell casing and bullet. A .50 caliber pistol uses a shorter round than a .50
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado caliber rifle. The round for a pistol holds less powder in the casing giving it less uhmpf or velocity as it exits the chamber,
Posts: 9017 ergo the bullet from a pistol can't go as far as a round from a rifle casing.
"Prominent gun rights activist" ? Hardly. I am just one man with a don't give a f*ck attitude, who don't give a f*ck what
you think about him. Don't throw me in with that beef jerky salesman and all round red-neck Ted Nugent. It's gomers like
Nugent who give the rest of gun owners a bad name. I don't even hunt deer and then drink their blood after the kill. Hell
Nugent also gives pagans a bad name. It amazes me to this day that so many people would give a crap about what I think
or do. I feel like a rock and roll star and Morrison is just another groupie stalker. Sorry but I won't do a spot on the Maury
Povich show and I won't do a half naked brawl with Morrison on the Jerry Springer show. In other words I won't do a circus
act on any of the main stream networks.
" .... trubulent history with the Mauser family... "? What the is up with that lie? I've never met Mauser and he often
mistakes me for the CEO of the Tyranny Response Team a guy we simply call "Zieg". I've seen Mauser on the street and
I've even stood within six feet of the guy, but I have never met him or been introduced to him. I have no idea who is wife
is or if he even has more children other than the one who was murdered at Columbine high school. I have no personal
issues with Mauser, my issues are purely political i.e. gun control vs the second amendment. I will admit to the fact that I
have sent him very few emails in the past and I thanked him for helping me to win 20K and I used the money to purchase
a .50 caliber rifle.
"You got a .50 caliber?' Yep thanks to Mauser and a little dweeb and police informant by the name of Triston Treber. Why
shouldn't I have a .50 caliber? I spent four years in the US Coast Guard and it was my job to man the .50 caliber which
was mounted on the bow of the patrol boat that I served on. Society trusts 19 year olds with .50 calibers when we serve in
the military, but people like Mauser don't trust us with one when we turn 49?
There is so much going on here that it would boogle anyone's mind. My father died on April 25th 1999 just six days after
Columbine. And to top it off he had died just five weeks after I was released from the Cheyenne VA hospital after suffering
two severe heart attacks which nearly killed me. No one and I mean no one survives that much devistation in such a short
period of time and not only lives to tell about it, but manages to keep a little bit of sanity afterwards. I attended a high
school just few miles up the road form Columbine high school and so I know all to well the evil ways of the Jefferson
County School District. Trust me the problem ain't the guns, it's the Jeffco school disctrict.
"history" with the CSUPD? Yea a history of being persecuted and seven years of watching the swine violate my right to free
speech. That's another story which would require another string to post it all on.
It should be noted that I don't even know Morrison. I know who he is, but I have never met the man face to face and I
have never been pals with this reject from a funny farm. What would an anarchist like me have in common with a goof ball
janitor like this?
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05-13-2007 01:32 AM
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duncan Morrison threatens to kill members of the Pink Pistols

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Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:04:40 -0400

Registered: Jul 2003 From: "Gwendolyn Patton" <media@pinkpistols.org>
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To: "duncan philp" <zapata105@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Wake Up A Chapter
Ummm...Duncan?
I have a rather odd question. Did you send us a very

angry and unpleasant email back in December? I
shrugged and put it in my "forward to counsel" folder at
the time because I get dillies from time to time, but
when you sent me a very friendly invitation to a picnic
today, it made me start Googlewhacking -- and then I
see that Darren Morrison was sending threatening emails
using your name around that time.
This is what I received on December 2, 2006:
I am now the new leader of the TRT and I do not like

FAGS, DIKES and other ****ing fruitcakes. We will no
longer support you freaking homos and I will personally
take the link of our national site. I can not believe Zieg
is suck a fag lover. Guns are for shooting fagots you
know.
I'm sure you can see how that would be rather

distressing, especially the last sentence, which
constitutes a serious threat. Whoever sent it used your
name, and an email address similar to the one you used
to send your picnic invitation.
All of this has been rather disturbing and a little

confusing, and I hope you can shed some light on it.
If you didn't send the original email, I'm sure you would
probably want a copy including all headers, to send to
counsel in regards to the other email case. Please let me
know.
On 5/13/07, duncan philp <zapata105@yahoo.com >

wrote:
The Pink Pistols are invited to the second annual TRT

picnic in the park.
TRT is the Tyranny Response Team a Bill of Rights

organization with a second amendment bent to it.
Memorial Day May 28th at Parish park in Johnstown,

Colorado from 10am to 3pm. The TRT is not afilliated
with KHNC radio.
Duncan Philp
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05-14-2007 08:14 PM

duncan The gun grabbers want my .50cal

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Come and get it if you dare.

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05-30-2007 12:24 AM
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Date: Mon, 14 May 2007 00:04:40 -0400
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Ummm...Duncan?

What was the upshot of this?
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05-30-2007 06:19 PM
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Come and get it if you dare.
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05-30-2007 06:20 PM
duncan What was the upshot of this?

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They don't have a chapter in Colorado so they were
Registered: Jul 2003 unable to send anyone to our picnic. Gwen did report
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Morrison's crime to the local copsters and to date no
Posts: 9017 more news.
Sweet. One of these is on the top of my list of

things to get. Do you have any particular
recommendations?
That gun is a semi-auto Browning Ma Duce and it cost

about ten grand. .50 cals have been hard to come by
due to war demands. I would suggest a Grizzly LAR.
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I would suggest a Grizzly LAR.
Duncan:
Is this the Grizzly LAR?

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The LAR is a single shot.

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duncan LAR on a tr****

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05-31-2007 01:49 AM

duncan Poor wittle Darren is about to have his big day in court
Moderator this coming Friday.
Registered: Jul 2003 Darren sold out to the gun grabbers and is begging
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Mauser to ask the court not to send him to jail. The man
Posts: 9017 would sell out his own mother to avoid being punished
for his crimes. Morrison would join forces with a groupie
follower of the leftist p8g Micheal Moore, who by the way
also supports flag burning. The Collegian in its last paper
of the fall semester advocated the bruning of the US
flag, something I approve of, but something that Darren
stated he felt was an act of spitting on the troops.
How low will Morrison go to avoid jail? He would sell his

soul to the very commies which he had stated he hates
and spit on his fellow veterans in the process.
Good job Morrison and I knew that a phoney holy roller

like you would show himself for what he really is. Like
Judas you would sell out Christ to save your wretched
hide from jail.
Kevin our TRT moderator will be present in court to tell

about the fact that you did indeed threaten me with
violence on the TRT forum and later admitted to doing
so. Kevin will also explain how you started a flame war
on the TRT forum and why he had to ban you from our
forum which made you angry and the real reason why
you had committed your crimes against me.
Kevin will be asking you for your TRT shirt, as you are
not fit to wear our TRT gear. You disgust me you
pathetic loser.
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05-31-2007 01:54 AM
duncan Morrison was given five days in jail, one year of

Moderator probation, a no contact order for Mauser for up to one
year, no access to the net for one year and he cannot
Registered: Jul 2003 own or have in his posession any firearms.
Posts: 9017 The DA asked for jail time and got it. Mauser made his
speech short and avoided making it a political issue. I
made my points and then Darren finish it off with more
of the same old crap.
Morrison claimed that he did what did as a result of

threats made against him by me, yet he to date he
cannot site one instance of when and where I ever
threatened the guy or even answer the questions as to
why didn't he report these supposed threats to the
police and why would I even threaten him in the first
place?
He points to a post I made on the TRT forum as a death

threat, yet no where in the post is threat of death ever
made, he states this was the reason he emailed his
death threats to Mauser using my name. The problem
with this is the fact that he had committed his crime on
December 6th and my supposed death threat was
posted on December 7th of 2006. Morrison stated that I
had parked my car in front of his house and was stalking
him and his wife, yet he cannot site a date or time that
the incident had occured, nor can he tell us what was
the make, model and LP# of the car in question.
Morrison had his wife Blackmore issue a restrianing

order agianst me long after Morrison had been arrested
and charged with his crime of harassement. This was an
act of more harassement. Blackmore could not
orchistrate when and where I had stalked or threatened
her. I have yet to see this restrianing order or have a

summons served on me by the Morrison or his wife.
It was the most pathetic display of in court nonsense on

the part of a defendant that I have ever seen in my life.
Morrison literally cried like a baby begging the judge not
to send him to jail. He then tried to suck up to Mauser
by asking that the judge allow him to apologize in
person to Mauser. The judge told him in no uncertian
terms "NO!!! and you will have no contact with Mr.
Mauser."
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06-01-2007 05:52 PM

duncan http://akeyboardanda45.blogspot.com/
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How NOT to Advocate For Gun Rights
Registered: Jul 2003 I am certain that none of the regular commentators on A
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Keyboard and a .45 would act in this manner, but I have
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to post this bit of commentary on activism etiquette on
the off chance that a casual reader may be tempted to
step over the line.
Under no circumstances do you email anti-gun activist

stating:
"I will be protesting you (sic) house real soon. I will

disrupt your life and I will be armed... So you better be
afraid be very very afraid."
Following that up by bragging...
"I have a laser site on my .50 caliber (rifle) as well as a

home made silencer."
... is not just plain ignorant, it will get a SWAT Team
waking you up at odd hours of the night.
It turns out that the person sending these emails was

attempting two things. First he was trying to scare Tom
Mauser, father of Columbine victim Daniel Mauser and
an anti-gun activist with Colorado Ceasefire. His second
goal was to frame Duncan Philp, a fellow Colorado gun
rights activist. Which of these goals is the news media
going to focus upon?
On Friday, a Fort Collins gun rights advocate will be

sentenced in Jefferson County Court for harassing the
father of one of the victims of the Columbine High
School shootings.
and...
"This whole episode was very upsetting," says Mauser.

"Extremists sometimes become violent -- and I don't
think the average person realizes just how much hate
mail and grief you get when you become a gun violence
prevention advocate. It can be a really ugly world."
Folks, we have to police our own. Bullying, threats and
other actions intended to cause fear do nothing more

than reinforce the negative image that many of the

anti's have of us gunnies. It is hard enough to use logic
and facts to overcome emotion, when that emotion is
stirred up by threatening behavior it becomes even
harder. As we are rightfully up in arms over an anti (who
also happens to be an ordained priest) calling for the
murder of gun shop owners, the anti's are properly
incensed over behavior such as this.
As gunnnies, we believe Mr. Mauser's beliefs are wrong.

As Americans, we can use various venues to speak out
against those beliefs and attempt to educate those that
may listen to Mr. Mauser. We may even attempt to
communicate directly with folks such as Mr. Mauser. As
people of good will and integrity, we do so in a
controlled and respectful manner.
Headlines such as these -
Gun Activist Faces Sentencing for Threats Against

Columbine Father
- are never good for our side.
This story found on PR Newswire
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06-01-2007 06:03 PM
duncan http://www.breitbart.com/print.php?...&show_article=1
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Gun Activist Faces Sentencing for Threats Against
Registered: Jul 2003 Columbine Father
Posts: 9017 May 31 08:25 AM US/Eastern
JEFFERSON COUNTY, Colo., May 31 /PRNewswire-

USNewswire/ -- On Friday, a
Fort Collins gun rights advocate will be sentenced in
Jefferson County Court
for harassing the father of one of the victims of the
Columbine High School
shootings.
To the victim, the incident illustrates a dark but virtually

unreported
element of the fight over gun laws in America, and how
the debate all too
frequently morphs into violent and hateful threats.
Darren Morrison is charged with phone harassment, a

class three
misdemeanor. Morrison, 45, sent three threatening
emails to Tom Mauser,
father of Columbine victim Daniel Mauser, starting in
December of 2006.
Morrison's sentencing will take place in Division B, Room

3B on the third
floor of the Jefferson County Administration Bldg, 100
Jefferson County
Parkway. Cases begin being called at 8 AM. He faces up
to six months in jail
and a fine of up to $750. Mauser will be at the
sentencing.

"I think it is important that I'm there, to remind Mr.

Morrison of the
pain he caused me and my family during the Christmas
season," Mauser said. "I
have forgiven Mr. Morrison. But I think all the activists
on this issue need
to pay attention to this incident. Policy disagreements
are as American as
apple pie, but there's a line that should not be crossed."
Morrison sent emails to Mr. Mauser, claiming to be

Duncan Philp, another
gun rights activist. He used an email address similar to
that of Philp, as
well as language similar to that used by Philp in earlier
emails to Mauser.
The incidents were the subject of a long story published
in the Collegian, the
Colorado State University newspaper. The story can be
found at:
http://media.www.collegian.com/medi.../04/30/News/
ExC
su.Employee.Threatened.Columbine.Father-2887975.
shtml
The first email Mauser received from Morrison indicated

that "I will be
protesting you (sic) house real soon. I will disrupt your
life and I will be
armed... So you better be afraid be very very afraid."
The second email
mentioned coming to Mauser's workplace, while the third
claimed, "I have a
laser site on my .50 caliber (rifle) as well as a home
made silencer."
Mauser says Philp had conducted a protest at his home

in December 2001 and
had written insulting email to him in the past, bragging

that he had a .50

caliber rifle. As a result, Mauser took the threats
seriously, reporting them
to the Jefferson County Sheriff.
Sheriff's officers and FBI agents took Philp in for

questioning in
December. Philp speculated to the authorities that the
email came from
Morrison, with whom he had an ongoing feud. When
questioned, Morrison
admitted being the sender of the email, saying he was
trying to get Philp in
trouble. Morrison recently pled guilty to the charge.
"This whole episode was very upsetting," says Mauser.

"Extremists
sometimes become violent -- and I don't think the
average person realizes just
how much hate mail and grief you get when you become
a gun violence prevention
advocate. It can be a really ugly world."
"People who have spent some time as volunteers

fighting for sensible gun
laws share stories about hateful emails and phone calls,"
Mauser said. "When
I first began being an advocate, I didn't really believe
the warnings that
other activists gave me. I believed that as Americans,
we can all respect
differences of opinion on matters of public policy. I
presumed it sometimes
got heated, but never hateful. I was wrong.
"There are times when the hatred is so severe, you are

repelled. It
appears almost certain to spill over into violence. That is
what I hope Mr.
Morrison comes to understand."
Tom Mauser can be reached at 303-547-5972

SOURCE Colorado Ceasefire
Copyright 2006 PR Newswire. All Rights Reserved.
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06-01-2007 06:05 PM
GC Marciano You need to get Darren Morrison's Jeffco booking

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06-01-2007 10:13 PM
liberranter I hope dumbass Darren feels that it's worth spending

Super Moderator a few months of his life in the slammer for falsely
impersonating Duncan and making incoherent
threats against someone who did nothing to harm
him. Maybe the bubbas on the inside will make him
their bitch, giving the experience an even more
"personal" feel.
What a tard!
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that too.
06-02-2007 11:52 AM

JSee Morrison also received 60 hours of community service. I

Junior Member will be in contact with his probation officer.
Morrison contradicted himself a few times when whining

to the judge. At one point he had stated that he couldn't
Registered: Apr 2007 be sure I was stalking him or that I had even threatened
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What it basically boiled down to is that he didn't like the
way I had used my bullhorn at TRT rallies and the fact
that I had used the evil "F" word in his presence and he
didn't like what I had said about him on the internet. He
didn't like being called a fat p8g along with a few other
things nor did he like it when I called his wife a fat p8g.
He took internet post literally, all the while ignoring the
fact that he is a fat guy and so is his wife.
Morrison went over board .... way, way over board to

say the least. This fat p8g spent months posting crap
about me on a variety of websites. The hypocrite had no
problem with calling me names and lying aobut me on
the net and has been doing so for years. Did I send out
bogus emails in which I pretended to be him to the
Denver PD, DIA, the Homeland Gestapo, the Jeffco
Sheriff's Dept. and Tom Mauser in an attempt to get the
guy arrested and maybe killed? Nope, I sure didn't.
I dealt with the Morrison's internet bull**** on the

internet and I didn't go running to the copscum when he
had threaten to beat the crap out of me over something
I had said that he didn't like. Nor did I commit any
crimes in attempt to carry out a vendetta against
Morrison.
According to the Jeffco DA and as it turns out Morrison

does in fact have an assault conviction in which he
punched a guy in the face. On the Free Republik forum
he had posted about an incident in which he punched a
guy for supposedly pushing his kid, yet the other guy
wasn't charged or convicted for assaulting a minor. With
me he once again uses his family to shield him from his
criminal activities and once again the guy he accuses of
harassing his family is not charged or convicted of any
crime.
The real issue is about Morrison and his fascist ilk who
want to impose their hypocritical brand of Christianity on

others. F*CK U MORRISON and the f*cking swine you

hang with. I will defend free speech to the bitter end
form Nazi f*cks like you and from those left wing
assholes with the Collegian who want to outlaw a word
like "FAG".
Yes Morrison you are a fascist p8g who is no better than

the uniformed swine who come here to attack me for
being me.
06-02-2007 08:45 PM
duncan Now why did that happen Mr. Webmsater?

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06-02-2007 09:57 PM

duncan The problem with Mauser is that he wants to have a

Moderator PAC, which he calls Ceasefire, and he wants to be a
political activist who recieves alot of public attention, but
Registered: Jul 2003 he doesn't want anyone to email him any quesions in
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado regards to his postion about gun control or expect that
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when he calls all gun owners 'terrorists' that he won't
get hammer by certain people form the general public
when he does it.
Sorry but you can't have it both ways Tom. You have put
yourself out as a public figure and you have placed a
website on the net with your phone number and so you
can expect to get the following treatment. Trust me on
this one Tom because I'm an expert at being a high
profile political actvist who has suffered all of the
following.
1. Personal attacks from your enemies, public and

private. Even people whom you thought were on your
side. Remember what your people did to Peter Boyles
back in 2001 and how you gun grabbers stabbed a
prominent radio talk show host, who supports gun
control, in the back.
2. People stalking you.
3. People lying about you on the internet.
4. Harassing emails and phone calls.
5. Police stalking you and trying to arrest or even kill

you.
6. Police placing a spy file you filled with blatant lies in

attempt to get even with you over a lawsuit in which
they lost.
7. Police going to your employer behind your back to get

you fired from your job.
8. Police going to you landlord to get you evicted from

your home.
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duncan http://www.rockymountainnews.com/dr...5567393,00.
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Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Columbine dad used as pawn in lengthy feud
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Email this story | Print MORE STORIESBy Sue Lindsay,
Rocky Mountain News
June 2, 2007
Tom Mauser, whose son was killed in the Columbine
massacre, wound up being the unwitting pawn in a
longstanding feud between two gun rights activists that
landed Friday in Jefferson County Court.
Darren Morrison was sentenced to five days in jail and a
year's probation for sending threatening e-mails to
Mauser while posing as Morrison's nemesis, Duncan
Philp, leader of a gun rights group called the Tyranny
Response Team.
Jefferson County Judge Judy Archuleta also ordered

Morrison to perform 60 hours of community service and
to stay away from guns, the Internet and the Mauser
family.
Morrison admitted he sent the e-mails to Mauser in an

effort to get Philp in trouble. Since his son's death,
Mauser has been an outspoken advocate for gun control,

and Philp had demonstrated in front of his home in

2001.
In the e-mails, which Morrison signed with Philp's name,

he threatened to kill Mauser.
"I will be protesting you (sic) house real soon. I will

disrupt your life and I will be armed," Morrison wrote
Dec. 1, posing as Philp.
On Dec. 6, he sent another e-mail telling Mauser, "I

have a laser site on my 50 cal as well as a home made
silencer. I have spotted planes fling (sic) into DIA. I
could easly (sic) shoot one down so do not take any trips
for a while././.You want to take away my right to own a
gun because your loser son got shot."
Prosecutor Patrick Fitzgerald said the reference to

shooting down planes caused the FBI to become
involved and put DIA on alert for a short time.
After his arrest for the Mauser e-mails, Morrison went on

to send other "unfriendly" e-mails to the Pink Pistols Gun
Club, Fitzgerald said.
"His actions display a lack of concern and disrespect for

authority and unwillingness to control his behavior,"
Fitzgerald said.
"The childish behavior of Mr. Morrison in a disagreement

with Mr. Philp obviously is what led to this. He is abusing
his privilege to use the Internet. He thinks his rights to
express himself freely allow him to do whatever he
wants."
Morrison apologized and promised he would never do

such a thing again.
"What I did is inexcusable," Morrison told the judge.
Mauser characterized the events as "theater of the

absurd."
He said he was astonished that Morrison could make

threats like this and not think about the consequences,
especially the fear it caused his family.
"He's playing with people's lives," Mauser said Friday of

Morrison.

Philp, who lives in Wyoming, was arrested after Mauser

complained about the e-mails in December.
Philp led authorities to Morrison, who admitted he had

sent the e-mails.
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Registered: Jul 2003 Man sentenced for threat to father of Columbine victim
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado STORY TOOLS
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Email this story | Print MORE STORIESBy Associated
Press
June 1, 2007
GOLDEN, Colo. — A Fort Collins man was sentenced
Friday to five days in jail and a year of probation for
sending threatening e-mails to Tom Mauser, the father
of a Columbine victim and head of a group that
advocates tougher gun laws.
Darren Michael Morrison, who pleaded guilty to a
harassment charge on May 1, was also ordered to serve

60 hours of community service.
Morrison, 44, was accused of sending e-mails to Mauser

starting in December 2006 threatening to kill him.
Prosecutors said he also threatened to shoot down a
plane at Denver International Airport.
Prosecutors described Morrison as a gun-rights activist.

They said he made the threats under the name of
another man in hopes of getting him in trouble with
federal authorities.
Mauser's son, Daniel, was among 13 people shot to

death at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999.
Mauser is president of the board of Colorado Ceasefire,

which advocates stronger laws to keep firearms out of
the hands of criminals and prevent accidental shootings.
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Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado To: lindsays@RockyMountainNews.com
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Hello, I read your stroy about Morrison and you have made a couple of
mistake in your story.
One, I am not the leader of the Tyranny Response Team. The CEO of the
TRT is a man by the name of Stephen Zeigenhangen. I have never been
a leader of the TRT only a member.
Two. I was never arrested by the FBI or even charged with any crime. I
was how ever confronted by at least six deputies and three federal goons
all pointing guns at me. Keep in mind I sued the jeffco sheriffs
department and won 20k for the criminal acts of Deputy Estep and Estep
works for the fed. The fed doesn't like it when political activist sue them
and they lose. Vaughn did this story back in Oct of 2002. Vaughn can
also tell you about my activism as a copwatcher who has gone after bad

cops in the past. Vaughn use to work for the Coloradoan and did a few
stroies about my involvement with the Debbie Duz Donuts fiasco, just
ask him about it.
Three, I had no fued with Morrison and like I had stated at his
sentencing I didn't know him. I knew of him and knew what he looked
like but as far as knowing him on a personal level I never did. Morrison
took issue with my being an out spoken libertarian anarchist who being a
member of the same gorup that he was a member of i.e. the TRT alos
supports the abolition of sodomy laws, anti-abortion laws and flag
desecration laws. Morrison threatened me with violence back in 2001
over the use of my bullhorn at a TRT rally, he threatened me again when
he saw me on a public street corner wearing the US flag upside down
and allowing it to drag the ground back in 2003. Morriosn has a history
of violence as he was convicted of assault a few years back.
I don't understand why you didn't interview me while I was in court. I

gave Kevin Flynn the story and added and alot of back ground info. I
have done alot of stories over the years with the RMN and have worked
with Flynn, Enslin, Vaughn, Briggs, and Baca. Usually when you place a
man's name in your story you would think to talk to the guy and get your
facts striaght.
Duncan Philp
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duncan The f*cking media. Now who would have thunk that they couldn't get it
Moderator right? Sometimes I find myself agree with the copsters when they whine
about the media getting it all wrong.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado This is why I also went to Westword. I perfer weeklies over dialy rags.
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06-04-2007 02:20 PM
liberranter quote:
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The f*cking media. Now who would have thunk

that they couldn't get it right? Sometimes I find
myself agree with the copsters when they whine
about the media getting it all wrong.

Yep, indeed. What still amazes me to no end, though, is how cops
Posts: 5865 constantly criticize the media for alleged "anti-cop bias" when all the
MSM ever do, especially local garbage wrappers and TV news, is kiss
cops' asses. Just try getting your local newspaper or local TV news
team to go after a story on local police corruption or misconduct and
present it in anything other than a favorable flavor to the State.
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duncan The irony of this whole thing is the issue about my use of a bullhorn in
Moderator public making the TRT and other gun owners look bad.
Registered: Jul 2003 Morrison the conservaitve tie a suit wearing fat a$$ Christian did right
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado fine job of making all of us gun owners look bad with his stupidity.
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There was an ilk within the TRT who sought to control the group and
other members like me. The right wing fruit loope PC crowd.
"We can't have people wearing camo's"
"We can't have people using foul language on a bullhorn."
"We can't have anarchists in the TRT."
"We must be a Christian only organization."
And look at what it got them.
Now tell me who's more evil, a guy with a bullhorn shouting "F&CK YOU
GUN GRABBERS!!!!" Or a guy who tries to get another gun owner killed
simply because he hates what the other gun owner stands for?
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duncan Darren's rant on the Free Republic

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Christian should not be Libertarians.
By Darren Morrison
I heard the Libertarian candidate talking on a local radio talk show the
other day and because it was a recording from a previous show I could
not call in. I was appalled by a caller who claims to be a Christian and
perhaps he was. The caller had said that he was a libertarian Christian. I
could say you are either one or the other. I know it is impossible for a
Christian too be any type of Marxist but a confused or rebellious
Christian might be miss lead into the libertarian party. I guess it would
be almost like many of my brothers in Christ who are loyal to the
Republican Party. I could see a Christian falling for the G.O.P. if he
believe the hype and there sales pitch but if you look at there record on
the issues you will see that there is a sharp contrast between reality and
what they say. So it is more on likely that a miss lead Christian might fall
for the G.O.P. than the libertarian party.
I will have to say that in many issues I am on the same page as the
liberations. On the surface they look great. But deep down you will find
that they are way of base with the position that Christian who love the
lord and follow the bible should take. I have never voted for a libertarian
candidate ever but I have giving it some thought before. I have even
considered joining a few times even after I got right with GOD. And there
are a few well meaning Christian who belong to this deceiving party.
There are quite a few reasons why Christian should not belong to the
libertarian party. In this day an age there are quite a few people who like
to be labeled as Christians. There are so called gay churches but thy are
not Christian because repentance is very important to the salvation
process as describe in the bible. There are cults who twist scriptures
around to suit there false doctrines and they are not Christians as
described in the bible. I am talking about true believers her those who
believe the bible to be the inerrant word of God those who have accepted
God’s free gift of grace. Those true born again believers who follow the
word of GOD. Those are the people who I am writing this to. So if you
call your self a Christian but to not follow after Christ then this massage
is not for you so go back to your local tavern and continue your
theological discourse.
Well to start of one very big issue I have with the Libertarians is
abortion. Or what is really is infanticide. You see the Libertarian planks
do not see anything wrong with murdering an unborn child. If fact they
would lift all restriction on abortion making it as easy to get as a loaf of
bread. The one thing is they will not make the taxes payer fund this
murder. Well even if I do not have to pay for it with my taxes it is still
wrong and it is evil. I made a decision and I would recommend any one
who loves the lord to make this that is I had said I would never vote for

anyone who would allow infanticide to go on. If there are only two
candidates on a ballot of any office and both were in favor of abortion I
can not in good conscience vote for either one. Anyone who signs on to
the Libertarian party as a candidate has to support the planks of the
Libertarian party. You see I believe if by some how a libertarian could
ever get the chance to run this county and was able to push the
Libertarian ideas though abortion would and the very least double may
ever triple. So the Libertarian party is in favor of killing babies, even
more than democrats.
Number two in my great reason Christian should not be Libertarians. Is

in the idea of Parental rights. I read in amazing disbelieve when it can to
religious freedoms and the family two issues the Libertarians say they
support. But in there planks it says that a parent cannot force their
children to attend church. You see they have rights for children. Well I
am against abusing children like beating then and such but in my house
my children have to go to church they are not given any choose in the
matter. Until they are 18 and out of my house they do not have religious
freedom. The only choose my children have are the once I give then and
they mature and show responsibility there earn more freedom. But this
concept and parental right is alien to Libertarians. My son gets good
grades, loves sports, hates drugs and has never used any. And he goes
to church every time we go and he has no choose in the matter. I guess
on that issue alone I would riot in a Libertarian jail before I would give
my kid a choose to go to church or not.
An other issue and I will borrow a phrase from Michael Savage a radio
talk show host out of northern California. The phrase is “Borders
language and culture. The three defining thing in any nation and people
to ever live. I am American I am native to this great nation born here
raised her and I am raising my children her as well. Libertarians want to
open our borders to pull all securities to let every person seeking
America to drive down wages and bring in crime. Not to mention open
the floodgates to Muslim terrorist to come in and open jihad every were
in our country reducing this nation to ruble in no time at all. Our borders
are already a problem now, imagine them being left unguarded. Are way
of life would soon be only a memory.
But I have meet hundreds of Libertarians though out the years and I
might say that for the most part they are descent people. But some of
the most anti-Christian vile people I have ever met in my life have also
been Libertarians. There are tons of gay activist who are Libertarians. Do
you think and God fearing Christian should stand beside any sodomites
on any cause. The Libertarians are full of drug users, and atheist. If you
use drugs and want to do so openly then the Libertarian party is for you.
You see some of the biggest enemies of believers are involved with the
Libertarians so don’t trust them. The Marxists, who are the biggest
threat to believers on the earth today, are also enemies to the
Libertarians. They are also enemies with the United Nation the most anti-
Christian origination in the world. So in that way if you believe “my
enemy of my enemy is my friends” then Libertarians can be allies to
believers but don’t turn your back on them remember who they are as
well.
There are three types of Christian in this world those are Christian in

name only, those who are in apostasy and those who are true to the
word of God our at least strive to be so. Out of those three types of
people who label them selves at Christian the latter of those I listed have
no business belong to the devils crowd. I am a member of the
Constitution party I encourage you to check that party out. But you pray
read your King James Bible and decide for your self. I know a lot of good
Christian who belong to the GOP my wife is one of them, but what ever
you do remember who you vote for should up hold your values and if
they don’t do you really want to vote for them
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duncan Morrison convicted of assault

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OPERATION INFINITE FREEP, COLORADO STYLE - 5/10/03
Posted by RMrattlesnake to fivetoes

On News/Activism 05/10/2003 3:23:50 PM PDT · 4 of 34
Duncan has a chat froum and if you make him made he will post in your
name them make deaf treats to himself.
Duncan is mentally unstalble. I hate to say this but even he makes them
look bad. but I think we need to warn the peaceniks some how about
duncan.
http://pub47.bravenet.com/forum/sho...rnum=3994675080
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Duncan Dounut..... Didn't show up he might be in Jail after he treaten to

shoot members of the VFW.
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Our LOSER Freind who wears the falg upside down claims that Freepers
treaten him wuith his life funny the only one who treaten to kill anyone
was Loser when he called the VFW and treaten to kill them. This guys is
very unslable and need mental help.
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On News/Activism 04/16/2003 3:03:14 PM PDT · 48 of 66
This guy who wears the flag. He shot his dog last year because it was
barking. Yes he had a puppy I think a husky and this nut left the dog out
side and the dog barked as many dogs do, it woke the loser and he shot
the dog. That is the type of guy he is.
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That poor guy, he has mental proplems. I know that guy but will not give
his name over this that would be wrong. He was a patriot once belive it or
not. I think the tax cuts redused his medication and now he is a
communist.
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On News/Activism 02/03/2003 11:25:07 AM PST · 49 of 60
I wanted to be there but Duncan Philip made treats at my famaily. So I

had to stay way. He has also said he wants to start a riot next wekk so be
careful. I would like to make it to long mont this week end if you are
going to do that again.
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I know who the purple hat man's little freind is but I will keep slient on
this issue other than I hope he does to the leftist what he did to the T.R.T.
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GC Marciano Morrison appears to be the typical "Christian".

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To: fivetoes
Registered: Jul 2003 The guy in the camo on the other side of the street. He had the flag on
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the ground while he was righting on his sign.
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At the end he drag the american flag on the ground on perpose.
I was anger thank GOD for him that I am a christain because I wanted to
beat him into a bloodly mess.
Fivetoes would you do me a big favor and write a letter to the editor of
the fort Collins Coloradian news paper. I will to and have ask my wife too.
18 posted on 08/11/2002 2:13:08 PM PDT by RMrattlesnake

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He wanted to beat me to a bloody pulp, but he was to much of a gutless

wonder to do so himself so instead he tried to get the copscum to do it for
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I see my buddy is holding up a peace sign. He doesn't understand that
peace must be won.
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Oh your buddy has no clue how close he came to getting his rear end
dragged across the ground.
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I also remarked to him that the big circle on his chest looked like a target.
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Imagine there's no atheist.
Registered: Jul 2003 rockey mountian Rattlesnake press ^ | 24/jul/02 | Darren Morrison
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Posted on 07/24/2002 9:24:25 PM PDT by RMrattlesnake
Imagine there's no atheist.
By Darren Morrison
The Ex-Beatle John Lennon wrote a song called Imagine. This song
became a hymn for GOD haters everywhere. Marxists use this song as
their battle cry and this very song is living proof that John Lennon was
an anti-freedom communist. On December of 2000 Fidel Castro attended
the unveiling of a bronze statue of John Lennon sitting on a bench in a
park of the city. The statue has been made by Cuban sculptor Josè Villa
Soberon, and represents a long haired John in blue jeans. From the
sixties The Beatles have been banished from Cuba because they were
considered a bourgeois myth, but now Fidel declares "I share John
Lennon's dreams".
So let’s take apart this blasphemous song Imagine there's no heaven It's
easy if you try No hell below us Above us only sky Imagine all the people
Living for today. What he is saying here is that without a belief in GOD
we will have peace and people will just live in harmony. Well Chairman
Mao said the same thing, So was the Tienamen square massacre people
living for today? Pol Pot believed in a world that was free of religion so
he murdered 30% of the people he was trying to make a better world
for.
Verse two says Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do Nothing

to kill or die for And no religion too Imagine all the people Living life in
peace. In other words he is saying no sovereignty, no freedom, prisoners
forced to work in slave labor camps but there will be peace.
Verse three says You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one I
hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one No he was not
the only dreamer there was Pol Pot, Castro, Mao, Stalin, V.I. Lenin and
other evil communists. The world will be as one when Jesus returns.
Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can No need for greed or hunger

A brotherhood of man Imagine all the people Sharing all the world. If it
smells like communism and sounds like communism then it must be
communism. Just like the former Soviet Union, That was those words in
action. Private property is a human right, to take it away is to take away
freedom and all human rights. No need for Hunger but long lines for
some soup and stale bread. You see John knew as other rich supporters
of communism that they are not included because they are the elite.
John supported Communism, he knew that he would live in luxury while
others barely existed in bleak conditions. Redistribution of wealth is a
myth. It is in reality redistribution of poverty, or equal misery for the
masses.
Now to end his song he sings. You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not
the only one I hope someday you'll join us And the world will be as one
John is a dreamer and in fact he is not the only one. Conservative
estimates are that “DREAMER COMRADE STALIN” caused the deaths of
at least fifty million people during his rule. Making dreamer Stalin the
Greatest mass murderer of all time. Heck this Dreamer makes Hitler look
like a boy scout. I will never Join you John in fact I have taken up arms
to fight your kind. Though I am discharged honorably from the military, I
will still fight to protect freedom. I took an oath when I joined to up hold
and defend the constitution of the United States of American and I will
honor that oath till I die. The world will be divided until the end the only
once who will try to unite the word will be tyrants.
Well John Lennon’s wisdom came from his years of drug use and sick
GOD hating friends he hung out with. John Lennon was a dreamer but he
was not interested in Pease. His song was short and very misleading. He
implies that big brother will bring about peace. But what big brother will
really do is bring destruction and death. What his song really is, is the
rally cry for a totalitarian system were religious expression will get you
killed as in the Khmer Rouge.
Proverbs 16:25. There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the
end thereof are the ways of death.. I Believe that the Bible is the only
answer. That all other beliefs end in death.
Many atheists believe that without religion there would be world peace.
Funny though I will say many people die at the hands of religion. In this
century atheists led religious people in killing people. The most deadly
thing in the world is movement. Government has claimed more lives
than all the belief systems combined. That is one reason I am pro
separation and pro religious freedom, When religion mixes with
government it is a deadly mix. When Government tries to push out
religions like Marxists do the streets run with blood. I am not saying that
atheists are killers, but atheism just like religion can be deadly. Make no
mistake September Eleventh was about state sponsored religion. Jesus
did not come to start a religion, he came to bring us salvation. Mankind
started the religion long after he left.
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What has atheism done for us lately?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Posted by RMrattlesnake to proud2bRC
Posts: 9017 On News/Activism 12/01/2001 3:00:53 PM PST · 97 of 241
Atheism vs. Christianity

Stalin, Chairman Mao, Pol Pot and Lenin were atheist. Mother Teresa,
George Wahington, C.S. Lewis and Johnathan Edwards were Christians.
Christains believe in hope, love, charity, mercy and honesty. Atheist

believe in self.
Christians know GOD. Atheists pretend there is no GOD.
The Consitution and our Republic were based on Christian principles. The
Communist Manifesto and Communist Control were based on atheism.
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Social Services are anti-Christian
Registered: Jul 2003 Rocky Mountian Rattlesnake Press ^ | sep 22 2001 | Darren Morrison
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Posted on 11/22/2001 4:48:28 PM PST by RMrattlesnake
Social Services are anti-Christian
Yes that is right, Social Services are anti-Christian. Some call it Child
Protective Services or Human Services but it is all under the agency of
Social Services. I fell victim to this Marxist government sponsored family
terror group a few years ago. My kids were taken away because of a false
accusation and I was not even allowed to see them for 3 months, then on
a very limited observed visitation basis. They felt I might be a threat to
the kids because of my so-called extreme right wing view and my
fundamentalist Christian views. That reason only was I kept from my kids
so long.
I had the chance to hear an interview with an ex-case worker from social
services. She explained their criteria for the all out assault on Christian
families. They have a point system. Here is how it goes. If you belong to
what they would call a fundamentalist church that is a point. If you home
school that is a point, if you have more than two kids that is a point. If
you are a single parent that is a point, if you are anti-gay or pro-life those
are points. If someone calls a complaint against you that is a point so one
call will generate an investigation and they only need 4 or 5 point to open
a case against you. Once a case is open they can take custody of your
kids and put you though a very expensive court case that will cost you
thousands of dollars.
Social Services is very pro-Marxist and is funded by our government they

are not only a grave abuse of power their actions are a violation to
constitutional rights. It is true that if a liberal abuses there kids they will
get better treatment and will see there kids sooner than someone who is
conservative and is only suspected in abuse. I know first hand because it
happened to me. I was accused of abuse that even the caseworker did not
believe, but since I had a different worldview I was keep from my kids.
The Casework was a lesbian and hated me because I was a Christian that
was the reason she did not want me to see my kids. After a while social
services had to drop there because the whole thing was bogus.
What remain in the after math was to very emotional hurt kids; because
of the stress they had to endure. You see the liberal hatred toward me
from the social service was doing at the expense of my kids. That is right,
those who many think are in the business to protect kids use kids in their
game to harm Christians. My kids were on assorted drugs Ritalin, Zoloft
and Welbutrin to name a few. The legal expense still haunt this family
almost three years later. My skin crawls every time I hear the words
Social Services

Now I home school my kids and they will never see the inside of a public
school again. I saw a doctor and had my kids taken off all medications. I
take my kids to a very fundamentalist church every Sunday and
Wednesday. My kids are exposed to all sorts of patriotic and conservative
materials. They attend my patriotic events and protest. My kids own and
know how to use guns, my youngest got his first gun when he was only
nine years old.
Social services tried to destroy an other Christian family but they failed.
The only made our family stronger. If it were not for the abuse of power I
would not be such a strong conservative, I would not be so strongly
involved in the patriot movement. I might not even be home schooling my
kids right now. My eyes were open Though I didn’t really go to a
fundamentalist church I do now and I am glad I do. There is a saying
“what does not hurt you will only make you stronger“, well they made my
family stronger and help create a strong fundamentalist Christian family
praise the lord.
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Why fight the Libertarians?
Registered: Jul 2003 n/a ^ | 11-21-01 | n/a
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Posted on 11/21/2001 7:13:14 PM PST by Liberty Teeth
Harry Browne has just disappointed me for the last time.
It is obvious that someone needs to step up and wrestle away the LP

from this band of leadership. Either shout down the Bill Mahr wing or its
finished.
Or maybe just abandon the LP and fight and tear into the the RP. The
one effective tactic used by the left which is admirable is that they get
into your face. I would gladly welcome a fight within the RP. Anyone else
feel the same way?
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I am a Constitutionalist and believe in a republic form of Government

and a member of the American Constitutional Party.
Infanticide is in fact murder, Those that commit it are murderers and

those who assist people getting abortions an accessories to murder.

Planned Parenthood is a slaughter house.
I am the Chaplian of the Northern Colorado Marine Corps League
I have 2 sons that we home school.
I love the this country. I served in the Navy as a corpsman, with the
Marines. 1/5 Alpha company wpns platoon and 3/5 Lima company 3rd
platoon.
I am a gun owner and love to shoot all types of guns.
I am a Member of the Colorado Tyranny Reponses Team in good

standings.
I love history and the history of warfare most of all.
I love to visit the south, Gulfport Mississippi is my favorite place to visit

in the USA.
I have been called to missions so I am now in study for that, when my

pastor thinks I am ready I will leave to do GOD's work.
I have dyslexia but I still post things I was told I would never be able to
write so I do to prove them wrong.
I am a KJV1611only Guy I take the Bible literally.
I am conservative in politics and I am a Independent Unaffiliated

Fundamental Baptist, And I will not move form that ground.
I love southern food, shrimp, catfish, chicken, greens, potatoes. And just
about anything you put on my plate.
I prefer pickup trucks as a mode of transportation. I love our veterans

and am very thankful for what they have done for us. I will support our
troops no mater what.
The USN and the Marine Corp will not take people with dyslexia and he
would need someone to psot on the net for him. he can't be vboth a
Marine and a Squid at the same time.
If he loves the veterans so much then why does he hang with a guy like
Phelps? Why did he threaten this veteran on the TRT forums? Why does
he want me dead?
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duncan Darren Morrison's Fury of Hate

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Registered: Jul 2003 Duncan’s Philp fury of Hate.

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 20/dec/06 | Roscoe Thorndyke
Posts: 9017
Posted on 12/21/2006 11:05:57 AM PST by RMrattlesnake
Duncan’s Philp fury of Hate.
By Roscoe Thorndyke
In fort Collins Colorado and surrounding areas the Patriots of American

had a common enemy. A man so vile and hateful he never seems to be
happy unless he is hurting other person. I do not know what kind of
childhood this person has had that could have produced such a hateful
person. I was involved in the patriot movement though out the Clinton
era and even into the Bush presidency well.
During the nineteen nineties Duncan Philp was heavily involved with
skinheads and the Christian Identity movement. Mean while freedom
loving people all over this country was feeling the over bearing ever
growing government. More and more people were seeing the
government lead by Bill Clinton pressing down and taking away there
freedom and money. The government was growing to such great
extremes them. After what happened at the Waco church wise people
became to see that government was not here to help but to control. Out
of this the idea for the TRT (Tyranny Response Team) was formed.
The TRT was created by Libertarians, John Birchers, gun shop owners
rightwing Christians and Veterans all of hum felt left out in Clintons rule.
After the Columbine shooting liberals all over turned the attention on dis-
arming all citizens. The created an out rage and the newly form TRT was
created during this time. As the anti gun people marches and protest
unopposed. The TRT grew rabidly with help form a small town Christian
radio station in Johnstown Colorado.
Suddenly the anti-gun movement had opposition and those who were
frustrated by the oppressiveness of the federal government had a place
to vent. Many people became part of this group it attracted quite a
diverse group of right wing thinking people. John Birchers, Libertarians
Constitutionalist like me, various Christian groups and gun owners to
name a few. This was an exiting time to be a members of the TRT. The
TRT was very diverse there were may conflicting opinions as well. But we

all united together for the common good. Soon the TRT drew more
people to the anti-gun rallies than the anti gun people could gather even
when they would bus them in. I personally look forward to TRT events
and they were all huge and all fun and exiting. The TRT was like a big
family it grew like wildfire via the internet and TRT chapters were
popping up all over the United States. The Free Republic even had links
and a page for the TRT to post there events and act as a conduit for
communication for members of the TRT.
Some time during this time a hate monger by the name of Duncan Philp
became involved with the TRT. A man involved with a very racist and
anti-Semitic church in Laporte Colorado, turned his sight on the Patriot
movement. He saw conflict with a common enemy and it attracted him.
We a true patriots did not hate those on the left who wanted to take our
guns we only wanted then to see that we were people who cared about
freedom and in fact we only want to let then see our side. But Duncan
saw thing differently and he want to create hostility. Duncan had a very
fowl mouth and he would use such hateful terns as well.
Soon with Duncan’s fiery red hatred and disregard for anything
wholesome he used his megaphone to push his words and brought
shame to the TRT and there members. When people would confront him
on this he would get even more vulgar and use it to scream directly in
the hears of those who ask him nicely to not use such words. If someone
would tell him not to used those words in front of the many children who
were part of the TRT he would point his megaphone towards the children
and all these kids names and tell them they were going to die horrible
deaths if they did not follow him. Duncan turn his hate toward all the
members in the TRT that did not hold to his pysdo-anarchist beliefs he
had. Anarchy is a common belief among skinheads a hold over from
Duncan’s past. Not to discredit Anarchy they are true Anarchist and
perhaps there were some in the TRT but Duncan was never one of them.
It was not long then that other groups who would rally with the TRT
became to drop of and disassociate with them. Rocky Mountain Gun
owners was on of the first to leave because of Duncan’s antics. Then
followed by the Second Amendment sisters. So the Johnstown Radio
Station had to disassociate with the TRT reputation for being of fowl
language and hate. The TRT once a family friendly group turned to
hateful bunch of pirates.
Duncan turn on those who were slipping way. He mad it very clear in
radium e-mails to members that Christians and families were not well
come. He stated that the TRT was only for him and his Anarchist friends.
John Birchers his next Targets. At the beginning there were several
members of the American Constitution party and Duncan who his very
vocal about being anti-American turn on those who believe in the
constitution. Duncan began to send me e-mails telling me that I can not
be part of the TRT because I had at the time work for the State and
because I believe in the constitution and the bill of rights. Duncan has
made it clear he hates all laws and the bill of rights are the law of the
land so there for his is against them.
There were several hold outs from the TRT that still believe that one day
the TRT can return to it’s pre-Duncan greatness. Many of us who were
Veterans in fact there were founding members who were Veterans and

the American legion offer there building for there events rent free. But
Duncan can out ageist the war and hey I do not like Bush either nor did I
vote for him but I still believe we should supporting or Troops and our
Veterans. That is why Duncan has turned his most resent hatred. He has
emailed me an claimed that he hates all members of the American
legion, Veterans of Foreign Wars, Marine Corps league and other Veteran
groups who would not joined his anti American veteran group he was
forming. Duncan did in fact call the VFW in fort Collins Colorado and
make death threats to there members.
I have seen Duncan with members of the million mom’s march, CPUSA
and the UN association. People who were once the enemies of the TRT
are now allies with Duncan who claims to be the new CEO of the TRT in
his lasted round of emails.
Duncan is nothing more than a confused hate monger. He was and it is

well documented that he belonged to a groups of racist skinheads. It
came out in a report by the Anti Deformation League that Duncan is in
fact a leader of a militia of anti Jewish skinheads in the nineties. So
Duncan wanted to disassociated with the skinheads so he started
marching in Martin Luther King rallies there he could hate racist. Duncan
when from a Patriot who hates Liberals and over a few years became a
liberal who hate Conservatives. The only consistency is that Duncan is a
sociopath hate monger no matter which groups he associates with he try
to turn it into a hate group. To a person like Duncan hate is a drug. He is
a junkie who has to hate large groups of people. I feel so sad for Duncan
and I guess I am sorry for my entanglements with him I have had over
the years it must have just fouled his hate. Duncan needs prayer. It is
that type of hate that created Adolph Hitler and Joseph Stalin. Duncan is
no leader so he could not wield the kind of power they did but the hate is
all the same.
Notice how Morrison uses the same methods and lies that the copsters
and the leftist gun grabbers have used on me in the past. Also notice the
bad grammer and bad spelling. This is his fingerprint.
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atriots Unite
Registered: Jul 2003 Rocky Mountian Rattlesnake Press ^ | Back in July re-published
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 11/19/01 | Me
Posts: 9017
Posted on 11/20/2001 6:05:34 AM PST by RMrattlesnake
Patriots Unite
By Darren Morrison
Divided we stand; what if that was our motto. We would not be powerful,
we would be weak. United we should stand and then we can’t be
stopped. But so many of us patriots are divided because each group
doesn’t agree on every single thing. But the most important thing the bill
of rights, and on that we all agree. There are many patriots groups that I
would stand with. I belong to the John Birch Society, the TRT and I
support the American freedom network. The groups I have mentioned do
not agree on each issue but on the important issues they do. Those
issues are the first 10 amendments and our freedoms.
At one time Ben Franklin referred to the patriot of our country as

rattlesnakes and that is what we are. If we stand together no army,
police force or corrupt government can stand against us. Just like the
Romans discovered centuries ago if you divide you can conquer. There is
no mistake why we are all divided that is just what the enemy wants us
to do. We don’t all have to agree on every issue if we are true patriots of
the US constitution we can stand together. If we do not stand together
we will die. This country is in jeopardy it is not hard to see.
Our great constitutional republic is on the verge of death and when it

dies we do not want to think about what will be next. Join or die; that
was an article written in an Albany news paper before the revolutionary
war. The colonies were not united even though they felt over taxed and
being controlled by a dictator King George. The colonies wanted to break
away from England but by then selfs they could not. Only by the colonies
uniting were they able to win their freedom. How important is your
freedom and are you willing to fight to get back the ones you lost. Our
do you want to keep watching Television getting fat and pretending that
there is nothing wrong.
There are groups that may call then selves patriots that are not. I have
meet skinheads who call them selves patriot but I would not stand with
them. There are groups who put forth such outrageous claims that
embarrass the rest of the patriot community. But there are true patriots
groups out there that deserve to be mentioned. I will list then at the end
of this article.

What can we do about this. Well I am putting out the Rocky Mountain
Rattlesnake to help wake up sheepoles and alert other patriots I would
love some help on this project. If you want to help please do, contact me
rmrattlesnake@lycos.com. There are many other things you can do most
important is to get involved in patriot groups like that I will list at the
end of this articles. Listen to the American Freedom Network on the radio
at 1360 am or on the web at americanewsnet.com. Also listen to Bob
Glass on 1060 am Saturday afternoon from 1:00pm to 3:00pm those are
information points to find out what is going on. Going to rally or
gathering is a good way to network with other patriots. I would like to
organize a patriot fair where people can talk to other patriot groups and
find out were you might want to get involved again. If you want to help
put together a patriot fair contact me if no body does it will never
happen.
Here is the list: American freedom network
Tyranny Response Team
John Birch Society
Paul Revere Society
Jews For The Preservation of Firearms
Gun Owners of America
The Constitution Party
The Free Republic
Second Amendment Sisters
National rifle association
The Liberatarian Party
The American Freedom Network
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duncan Darren doesn't appear to be very united.

Moderator
Bob Glass is an athiest and we can all se Morrison's postion in regards to
Registered: Jul 2003 athiests.
Posts: 9017 We also can see his position on Libertarians and libertarian/anarchists.
I'm a anarchist and so is Glass.
The TRT was found in part by Bob Glass and a couple of other
libertarians. We never told Morriosn and his ilk what to believe in or what
to wear at a TRT rally or what to shout on their bullhorns at any of our
TRT rallies, but Morriosn was quick to tell us how we should all do things.
And we can se what happens when people don't do things the way
Morrison thinks that they should.
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Karl Marx
Registered: Jul 2003 The Baptist Corpsman | 7 july 05 | Darren Morrison
Posts: 9017
Posted on 07/07/2005 4:59:15 AM PDT by RMrattlesnake
Karl Marx
The Author but not inventor of Marxism though it bears his name, Karl
Marx is an Icon among liberals and atheists. What Buddha is to
Buddhism and Mohammad is to Islam; Karl Marx is to liberal socialism.

Karl Marx did not invent communism but you might say he was the one
who popularized it. Some call Karl Marx a philosopher but since
philosophy means the love of knowledge and Karl Marx didn’t love
anything I don’t think he was.
Karl Marx was born in 1818 in Trier Prussia, which is now part of
Germany. Karl was born in an upper middle class Jewish home. His
father Hershel was a lawyer and came from a long line of rabbi’s. Karl’s
uncle Samuel was the Chief Rabbi of Trier. Karl’s family converted to the
state church, which was Lutheran in order to help his career as a lawyer.
At age 17 Karl enrolled in Bonn University law school. Karl became
engaged to Jenny von Westphalin the daughter of very important
government official. So Karl was forced by his father to move to Berlin
and enroll in a more serious school, Friedrich Wilhelm University.
Later he became a member of the Young Hegelian movement. They were

a radical anti-Christian group that opposed the Prussian government. He
was no longer allowed to practice law in Prussia so he became a
journalist of a liberal newspaper. Marx wrote articles condemning the
Prussian government and their economic polices. Marx’s articles got the
newspaper shut down and so he immigrated to France.
Marx arrived in France in 1843. Soon afterward he connected with some

German workers and French socialists. With in a few months Karl
became a communist and wrote a series of economic and philosophical
manuscripts, which remained unpublished until 1930. It was in Paris
where Karl met his lifelong companion Frederick Engels. Perhaps these
two were homosexual as well, but no one really knows.
Marx was expelled from France and moved in with Engels in Brussels. In
Brussels Marx studied history intently. He concluded that materialism
throughout history created the conditions that determined the production
of industry. He determined that industrial capitalism would be replaced
by communism.
In 1847 Marx and Engels attended a conference of The London

Communist League where he was commissioned to write a declaration of
their positions. So The Communist Manifesto was published in 1848. The
Communist Manifesto created a stir of revolution all over Europe. In the
early years of the industrial age working conditions were poor and that
had a great influence for his book. It was this book that became the bible
to the Atheists and ultra liberals. This book is how socialism got the
name of Marxism and it laid the groundwork for monstrous dictators like
Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol-Pot.
In 1949 a revolutionary upheaval of the working class in France seized

power from King Louis Philippe. Marx was invited back, but the
government quickly collapsed and Marx moved to Cologne and was
quickly expelled again. He finally moved to London where Engles’ family
had textile interests.
In 1852 Marx wrote his famous pamphlet “The Eighteenth Brunair of

Louis Bonaparte” in which he criticizes Napoleon’s takeover of France.
From 1852 to 1861 while in London he contributed to Horace Greeley’s

New York Tribune, as it’s European correspondent. Later it was found
that Karl Marx’s correspondences were false, made up of misquotes and

general dishonesty. Not only was Karl Marx Anti Capitalist but also he
was anti-Semitic and anti Christian. Marx once stated, “to be a Jew is to
be a capitalist”. Since Karl Marx was a staunch anti capitalist person to
call a Jew a capitalist would have been the lowest thing he could think of.
Karl Marx’s views on Jews greatly influenced Hitler himself who based
many of his views on Karl Marx’s writings. Karl Marx’s hatred of religion
came out of an influence by Charles Darwin.
Karl Marx descended into Hell in 1883, before he could see his writings
put into practice. So he did not get to see the real destruction his
writings contributed to. He was buried in High gate Cemetery in north
London. If you are ever in the area go ahead and spit on his grave I
know I intend to if I ever make it to London.
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06-04-2007 05:45 PM
duncan Apparently Morrison feels that all libertarians can't be Christians because
Moderator most libertarians are athiests and homosexuals.
Registered: Jul 2003 Morrison also feels that all anarchists are communists and that all
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado communists are athiests.
Posts: 9017
Anarchy has little to do with communism and in fact these two political
ideologies are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. Anarchy means
absence of the state and the absence of a centralized coercive form of
government which goes hand in hand with statism. Any form of statism
is opposed by any anarchist be it mobacracy, or a republik, or monarchy,
or an oligarchy ro any combinatiion and hybrid of same.
Anarchy as a political ideology has nothing to say about religion other

than keep your religion at home and out of my home. A person can be
both an anarchist and a Christian. Anarchy says nothing about the
absnece of God or the absence of God's laws. Anarchy espouses the
absense of the an enviroment in which the few are allowed to rule over
the many or in other words Plato can take his Republik and shove it.

As a anarchist who also happens to be a Chrsitian I see the state as a

pagan god which has placed itself above the one and only God. If you
are a true Christian then there can be only one authority figure in your
life and it ain't George Bush and his police state.
Do those heavenly beings vote every four years for elected officials and
amendment issues in heaven? Who ruled the Jews for two hundred years
while they hung out in the desert during the time of Moses? It wasn't the
GOP. God told the Jews not to elect a King but they went ahead and did
it anyway and look what it got them.
Morrison is incorrect on both counts. Who is to say if a person is or isn't

a Christian? A goof like Morrison? This fool hardly has the credentials of
an academic theologian to be able to determine who shall burn in Hell for
all eternity much less who can be a Christian. He has a right to his
opinion, but what is it worth? Not much considering his track record of
hypocrisy as a Christian.
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duncan Morrison's emails

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Dear: Dong-Can Fill-up

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I was able to get a hold of several of the ex-active members of the TRT
Posts: 9017
and they think the idea of a rocky Mountain Chapter of the TRT would be
a great idea. We are having a meeting Monday night that is tomorrow at
a restaurant called PHO-99 in Denver near Alameda and federal BLVD. I
am writing you this email to warn you that the Denver Police will have an
officer there in case you try to show up. This Chapter of the TRT will be
open to John Birchers, Libertarians, Constitution party members, Second
Amendment Sisters, rocky Mountain gun owners, and others but not you
our your ilk. We will look into if we will call it TRT since you kind of
ruined the reputation of that fine out fit. The police will be there and we

instructed then to issue you a restraining order if you show up so I would

not show up if I were you this is a warning to you. Funny thing is the
Denver police know who you are you must be famous. The TRT was a
great thin until you messed it up. So Dong-Can donâ! ™t say I did not
warn you.
DARREN
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duncan Thomas Jefferson <rmrattlesnake@lycos.com> wrote:

Moderator
It is in just 2 hours I left the time out on purpose you commie faggot.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado If we deside to cvall this the Rockt Mopuntain chapter of the TRT then we
Posts: 9017 will talk with Zig.
We have not desided what to call it. But for sure we will draw alot of the
old TRT folks back into action. And The Denver Police will be there you
can count on that. I did not even have to give them a picture of you they
all ready have one and if you show up you will find your self behind bars
becouse I have a speacil suprise for you. So come to Denver to the little
viet resterant and find out for you self. Well if you don't show up that will
be best for your sake. We are going though with this meeting and since
we are not offical part of the TRT then the by-laws count for nothing. we
you faggot I guess you can't do anything about are meeting after all,
Guess waht a lot of your old freinds will be there too. We will make lots
of jokes and I will tell them about you shooting your dog and hanging
around the pro-UN and the million moms on the corner you worthless
pussy.
Dong Can Fill up
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Moderator Hey dong can

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I have cause you more harm than you will ever know plus the TRT. I
Posts: 9017 have played you are Darren like a couple of fools. I have been e-
mailing Darren for years using your name and claim I was you also
using Bob Glasses name. You donâ™t know who I am but if you
think real hard you might figure it out. I used to post on the old TRT
forum and me and you went around a bit but when Darren
Threatened you back in 2000. I decided to use that to create a riff in
the TRT. But instigating a fight between you. When Darren would
apologize for treating you then I would post under his name and take
it back and make more threats. You might not believe this and that is
okay because even if you and Darren become friends you could never
repair the damage I have do to the TRT using Darrenâ™s name.
Darren is so easy to manipulate I had him stand in the rain for 2

hours waiting for you for a fight you never know about. I emailed him
saying I was you and told him I was going to rape his fat wif! e
unless he faced me (meaning you like a man) and you never showed
up HaHaHa because you were unaware of this. So you blame Darren
for ruining the TRT and Darren blames you and I did it because you 2
are the dumbest easiest fools ever to use. I guess you are my useful
idiots. Why donâ™t you think Darren ever knows what you are
talking about that is because I used you two. Remember the old TRT
forum just before you started fighting with Darren, you were fighting
with someone else think hard num-nuts. Remember just after that
happened and Darren admitted to being wrong and you did in fact
accept his apology. Then just after that Darren posted accusations
against you for no reason at and then some one posted awful things
about Darren using you name, think if your memoir goes back that
far num-nuts.
I herd that Darren want to help start a new chapter for the TRT so I
had to wreck that. We can not have any new TRTâ™s in Colorado
under my watch. Plus I need you both in the same Chapter in order
for the fight to continue. Monday I sat having noodles waiting for you
and Darren to show up. I told him that I was going to donate to his
campaign and had to meet someone wearing a TRT t-shirt at PHO-
99. but you 2 never showed. I was there for a couple hours but I am
not upset you were to weak to show up.
Yet there is more. I personally kicked Darren out of the TRT using
your name via e-mail. I kicked Tom Buchanan and Al Albertus out
using Bob Glasses name. Heck I kick a lot of folks out using yours our
Bobâ™s name. I can even sound like Bob Glass over the phone.
I am bored doing this but I have done a lot to wreck your bulling pro
gun club. I am a member of the Brady Campaign and I have done
more Damage than your little TRT could have ever done.
So keep fight with Darren you are doing such a good job. Plus Darren
is not a Commie he would not make a pimple on a commieâ™s ass.
I am a real commie member of the CPUSA and proud of it.
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Darren is gone and soon you will be to and by the way I just sent
Registered: Jul 2003 Darren and email saying "You were going have him arrested on false
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado charges". Darren has no idea what I am dong and you as I suspected
Posts: 9017 wouldn't believe me I know just how to play you two. So now Darren
is afraid because he thinks you are going to do something and blame
him for it ha ha ha ha ha ha. I also told him that you are going
protest his house and accuse him for being and anti-gun lobbyist for
my friend Mauser. How long have I been doing this is it 6 years
already boy how time flies. Darren is gone and soon you will be to
and by the way I just sent Darren and email saying "You were going
have him arrested on false charges".
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duncan Date: Sat, 30 Sep 2006 10:55:34 -0700 (PDT)

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Registered: Jul 2003 Subject: Re:
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado To: "Thomas Jefferson" <rmrattlesnake@lycos.com>
Posts: 9017
hey dumbass this emials matches the one you have on the freeper
forum, try agian polock
you are boring me
Thomas Jefferson <rmrattlesnake@lycos.com> wrote:

you will be there at noon right. I need the entertainemnt of you
beating Darren down.
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Moderator I sent Darren an email saying I was Bob Glass and that I was anger
with Duncan and needed him to help me get him. Well Darren will be
Registered: Jul 2003 going to a little theater at 5580 Federal Blvd, Denver. I can see the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado place though a telescope off my pouch so if you get there Darren will
Posts: 9017
be hanging out in front waiting for Bob Glass to meet him there. He
will be there at noon. Darren returned my email so I realy think he
will be there.
Tom
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Moderator You are both a set of girls neither one of you are man enough to fight
each other. So is that why you both carry guns because you are
Registered: Jul 2003 pussy and can not fight with your fist. I could fight you and Darren
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado and put both of you in the Hospital and I would be unscratched.
Posts: 9017
Just think you are Darren hate each other and it
I did it. So I won you and Darren loses.
Loser Loser Loser Loser Loser Loser Loser Loser Loser Loser Loser
Loser Loser Loser Loser
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Registered: Jul 2003 Subject: Re: This is his free-republic name
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado To: "Thomas Jefferson" <rmrattlesnake@lycos.com>
Posts: 9017
See ya janitor.
Thomas Jefferson <rmrattlesnake@lycos.com> wrote: That is right

and the emails I sed him are uncle-dunky your free republic name.
by the way you and Darren didn't show up I guess you both need
dresses. I send him emails from Zieg as well now.
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06-04-2007 06:37 PM
duncan Date: Thu, 5 Oct 2006 12:50:03 -0700 (PDT)

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Registered: Jul 2003 Subject: Re: you out of the TRT 4 good
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado To: "Duncan Philip" <uncle-dunkie@lycos.com>
Posts: 9017
Bye bye Darren you quit the TRT remember?
Oh yea ya stupid polock my name is spelled PHILP. If you had a

membership list of the TRT you would have known this.
I'm wearing my TRT shirt.
hahahahhaha

Duncan Philip <uncle-dunkie@lycos.com> wrote:

You dumb ****. I am director of membership for the TRT and that
means I can allow anyone I want to join the TRT as well as get rid of
anyone I want. Guess what Darren now you are officially kicked out
of the TRT. The TRT is for anarchist only to bad you are not one like
me and Zeig. Zeig also wants to kick you out. If you ever tell anyone
you are a member of the TRT or if I see you wearing the TRT t-shirt I
will not only kick you ass but pay some one to kick you ass and pay
someone to kick your sons asses. You got me punk ass faggot
mother ****er.
Duncan
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Registered: Jul 2003 Subject: Re: Fwd: Re: here you ****ing go
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado To: "Brindfan" <phlyerphan17@yahoo.com>
Posts: 9017
What is my email? zapata105@yahoo.com
I've never used the TRT as apart of my email handle. Come on man
you are to smart for that crap.
You need to ban the **** who is pulling this crap his name is Darren
Morrison. You have let this **** get away with his crap and never
once took up for me.
Brindfan <phlyerphan17@yahoo.com> wrote:

Is this you, or an imposter?
Note: forwarded message attached.

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From: Duncan philp <zapata_trt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: here you ****ing go
To: Brindfan <phlyerphan17@yahoo.com>
Are you willing to kill people for a revolution? If not you are to week
to be in the TRT you ****er. I want to take the TRT to the next level
I have recruited several skin heads and anarchist. I want to destroy
this country it is no longer in our best interest. I want to fire bomb
government building and churches. So **** America it is going down.
Duncan Philp
Brindfan <phlyerphan17@yahoo.com> wrote: Care to explain

this?????
Kevin Griffith
--- Duncan philp wrote:
> I am tired of your ****ing ****. I am taking the TRT

> to the next level and you are not going to be part
> of it. You are nothing more than neo-con scum. ****
> off and die mother ****er. The TRT is mine to
> control and not yours you dumb ****. I would like
> nothing more than to kick the ****ing **** out of
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Registered: Jul 2003 To: "duncan philp" <zapata105@yahoo.com>
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Subject: Re: Wake Up A Chapter
Posts: 9017
Ummm...Duncan?
I have a rather odd question. Did you send us a very angry and
unpleasant email back in December? I shrugged and put it in my
"forward to counsel" folder at the time because I get dillies from time
to time, but when you sent me a very friendly invitation to a picnic
today, it made me start Googlewhacking -- and then I see that Darren
Morrison was sending threatening emails using your name around that
time.
This is what I received on December 2, 2006:
I am now the new leader of the TRT and I do not like FAGS, DIKES
and other ****ing fruitcakes. We will no longer support you freaking
homos and I will personally take the link of our national site. I can not
believe Zieg is suck a fag lover. Guns are for shooting fagots you know.
I'm sure you can see how that would be rather distressing, especially
the last sentence, which constitutes a serious threat. Whoever sent it
used your name, and an email address similar to the one you used to
send your picnic invitation.
All of this has been rather disturbing and a little confusing, and I hope
you can shed some light on it.
If you didn't send the original email, I'm sure you would probably want
a copy including all headers, to send to counsel in regards to the other
email case. Please let me know.
On 5/13/07, duncan philp <zapata105@yahoo.com > wrote:

The Pink Pistols are invited to the second annual TRT picnic in the
park.
TRT is the Tyranny Response Team a Bill of Rights organization with a

second amendment bent to it.
Memorial Day May 28th at Parish park in Johnstown, Colorado from

10am to 3pm. The TRT is not afilliated with KHNC radio.
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duncan This nonsense had been going on since September of last year.
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It began right after our TRT Labor Day picnic and increased right
Registered: Jul 2003 after our TRT Bill of Rigths Day event. It was the early part of
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado December that Morrison had sent out his threats to LE and Mauser.
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The dumba$$ had posted much of his crap from work at CSU. He
thoguht by not posting form home thye wouldn't catch him.
Just two blocks away from the residence hall were Morrison had once
worked is the University Library were hundreds of PC's exists along
with thousands of staff, students and non-students who post on the
net form those computers. If the dufus hadn't been so fat and lazy he
could have done his dirty deed from anyone of those PC's and the
Fed would have never know the better.
I'm the guy who solved this little caper and the fed never even
thanked me or sent me a pay check for my hard work.
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Well, it appears you have won dumbcan. No you have not. You won
the battle, not the war. I may be gone for awhile, but you will always
have to look over your shoulder. Keep a good eye looking at all times
dumbcan.... you never know who or when......Your rants go on and
on. Do you really think the people on cop watch take you serious?
You dont talk **** to cops. your a big man postin on the internet,
and nothing more. You are the definition of \"all talk, no ****\"
Dumbcan, you are ridiculed behind your back by every group you are
a member of. NO ONE takes you serious. Enjoy your secret fantasy of
people respecting you, and believeing your trumped up stories. With
that being said, just like the terminator..........ill be back! your secret
admirerer
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06-05-2007 01:41 AM

duncan Morrison a big man who use to post on the net.

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06-05-2007 01:42 AM
duncan I told Morrison that he would become famous and now he is.
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We can see his fame all over the net and in the news. Morrison was
Registered: Jul 2003 in the following news sources.
Posts: 9017 The Collegian a CSU rag
The Rocky Mountain News
AP Wire service
Channel 7 Denver
Channel 4 Denver
Channnel 2 Denver
And Westword Weekly of Denver
Morrison whined about my use a foul language with a bullhorn and

my exercise of free speech with a red, white a blue rag made in
China and claimed that my actions had made all gun owners look
bad. The irony is that his actions of threatening Mauser with violence
have in fact made all gun owners look bad.
I've have never threatened anyone with violence who disagreed with
me or did something that I did not like. When a person threatens me
with violence I do my best to ferret the scum out from under what
ever rock they were living under and expose them to the media.

Morrison threatened to kick my teeth in with my own bullhorn and

even admitted doing as such. He along with several other nationalist
VFW pukes again threatened me with violence over the public use of
my own flag. Morrison agian threatened me after he had pled guilty
to his crime of harassement. It should be noted that all of his idol
threats had been done via the internet, as he never had the balls to
confront me face to face like a real man.
Morrison is nothing more than an internet terrorist, a coward and a

fraud. While in court his true essence was revealed and not even the
judge was buying any of his crap. Prior to being sentenced by Judge
Archuleta Morrison broke down and cried like little child who had
been caught with his hand in the perverbial cookie jar. Mauser didn't
want jail time for Morrison and I offered no advice to the judge as to
what Morrison should get for his crime. I simply explianed to the
court why I thought Morrison had done it. Archuleta was not a happy
camper to hear the evidence form the DA and sent Morriosn to jail of
her own fruition based on his crimes and unrepentant nature.
Does anyone think that Darren would have come foward with his
crime and apologized if I had been arrested and later convicted for a
crime that he had comitted? Of course not. Morrison would have
taken delight in my very death should the fed have shot me down in
cold blood in the parking lot of a community college on December
15th, 2006 Bill of Rights Day for telling them all to f*ck off.
Does anyone think that Morrison will finally give up his vendetta? Of
course not the guy is obsessed with getting even and he will once
agian get into trouble for his stupidity. If they had sentenced the guy
to jail for the crime of stupidity he would be doing a life sentence.
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Subject: I'm sorry
Duncan
I am sorry for all the trouble I have done. I am sorry that I lied. I am
sorry I tried to get you in trouble. I have been punish for what I did.
I am sorry I made the pro-gun movement look bad. Went to jail have
a very large fine and probation. I am washed up. I lost my job as a
septic truck driver because of going to jail but worst of all I lost my
wife and kid too. My wife left me and she was that only good thing
about my life. I want to kill myself. I think about suicide a lot, but I
am to much of a coward to go though with it yet. If you wanted to
use me as target practice I will never say anything to anyone. You
could tell me to meet you some were and then shoot me and no one
will ever know. Then you can see how well one of you guns will work
on a real person. It is a win, win situation. You see you get to kill
some one and have a real target to hit and I get to die and don’t
have suffer anymore. If you need to you can put a loaded gun in my
hand and say it was self defense. After all they would believe that
considering our history.
I used to be on medication for clinical depression but stop taken then

years ago because I was told that Christian who take such medicines
are sinning and that Christians are not to be depressed so I had been
depressed and felt guilty for it so for that last 13 years I have been
feeling that there was something wrong with me and that I was a bad
Christian because I am depressed all the time. I would have never
done this if I had been on medication not that that is and excuse but
I belive that. We I stop going to the Platteville Church last year and
have been spiraling down ever since. I wanted to be a good Christian
but never could. So I would right hate fill post on free republic and
other sights to try to make myself fell better but it never worked. I
do not hate you, I do not hate Homosexual libertarians anarchist.
Marxist well I do not care for then but as people I do not hate but the
idea of Marxism and the evil is incurred I hate.
Now I have a situation that makes me depressed you know because

of the nasty rotten thing I did. So I have reason to be depressed and
then I have the depression that I have all the time for no reason
together so know I am very depressed so much I can not sleep very
well. I can not go get a job I am crippled with depression so if you do
want to shot me it would be a good thing. I am a dufus I am a bad
person and to kill me would be doing the world a favor. I do not want
to be your enemy anymore but I do not want to be alive.
I have no job so no way can I afford to see a Psychologist and back
on medication. I was hoping that in the trail you would have
recommended that I get mental help but you never did. Could you
please help my shooting me or directing me to someone who would

please Duncan than you could have full revenge if you want.
Darren
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06-09-2007 04:24 PM
duncan No sooner than a judge orders Morrison not to access a PC for one
Moderator year the here we see the f*cking idiot is at it agian on the net.
Registered: Jul 2003 The guy can't even lie without it being so f*cking obvious.
Posts: 9017 For the last f*cking time Morrison, LEAVE ME THE F*CK ALONE!!!!!!!!
HIT THE F*CKING ROAD!!!!!!
Copscum often play this game or have their fellow idiots play the
game of possum. I don't give a f*ck Morrison tell it to someone who
cares.
It was obvious to me at least that our boy Darren has been getting
alot of coaching from the local copscum. When I picked up a copy of
the CSUPD report on Morrison's arrest, the clerk was looking at her
computer monitor and had mentioned the fact that Morrison had
acted as a police informant for the CSUPD. The CSUPD station is right
across the street from were Morrison had once worked. When the fed
had picked up Morrison on January 8th the only booked him and
never really arrested him to the point of placing him in jail to await
an arriangment hearing. Ummm, this may not mean anything but
then agian it makes me wonder.
Agent Schmit had warned never to email a repsonse to Morrison and

I never did. Considering the fact that Morrison was told by the fed
not to email me again and then fact that a judge ordered him not to

access and the net for up to one year and here the dumba$$ is doing
what he was told not to do and agreed not to do what am i to think?
He is either one stupid motherf*cker or he is working with the
copsters in another febble attempt to set me up for whatever.
I've sent this emial to Agent Schmit and will forward it to the DA and
Morrison's probation officer.
Morrison wasn't sorry about what he had done to me the day he was
sentenced and insisted that I had made a death threat directed
towards him on the net, thus the reason for his crime. And it has
been less than week since he was sentenced. He even got his wife to
lie for him at the time of sentencing, thus making his comment about
how his wife has suddenly left him suspect. Ya can't suddenly lose
custody of your kid one must go to court first to file for a divorce and
have a custody hearing of the children. Morrison has more than one
kid he has stated as such on many occassions and on the net.
Why is he suggesting that I kill him? Morrison is still hoping that I will
respond to his emails with a death threat and he is still not getting
any repsonse much less the response his copster pals told him he
needed to get in order to get me arrested.
Why do I need to get revenge? The guy lost his job at CSU, was
publicly humiliated and went to jail. What did he do to me? Not what
did he try to do to me, but rather what in the end was he actually
able to do to me? Nothing.
I've always worked within the realm of reality and I will always deal
with a problem in a non-violent fashion i.e. lawsuits and other
remedies. The cops are the violent one's here. Who came at me in
the parking lot of a community college with their guns drawn? The
copsters. Who threatened to kick my teeth in? Morrison. Who
threatened to get me over the public use of my flag? The VFW
groupies and other pro-Bush veterans. And who worked with the VFW
pukes to claim that I was the one who was inciting a riot even though
I wasn't the one who had threatened anyone with violence? The local
FCPD copsuckers.
And in the end what did it get them? Proof that the VFW hates free
speech and any other veteran who refuses to pledge allegiance to a
flag. Proof that the right wing Bushnik's do not support freedom and
liberty.
Believe it or not the dumbsh8t actually did me a big favor and for the
time being I cannot say what it was that he unknowingly did for me.
It wasn't mine or his intention that things actually turned out for the
better, but they did. Thanks dufus.
I'll bet the guy is still working for the State of Colorado in some
capcity.
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06-09-2007 04:57 PM
liberranter Dumbass Darren appears to be losing IQ points with each passing

Super Moderator day. Pretty soon he'll be a vegetable and you won't have to worry
about him harassing you (or anyone else) again.
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Subject: How stupid can this guy be???
To: "Duncan Philp" <zapata105@yahoo.com>
Guess who tried to post on the TRT forum? Here's the

post that is in the moderated file:
gulfvet - Jul 1, 2007 7:19 am

(dragonslayer@afo.net)
I am in, were and when. I'll got my TRT t-shirt out of
moth balls and I'll be ready to rumble.
I just can't get over the stupidity of this guy. It

amazes me.
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duncan Umm and I guess I will just have to contact Darren's probation
Moderator officer ... again.
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Posts: 9017 Jefferson County Court and Administrative Facility
100 Jefferson County Parkway, Suite 2070
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CHIEF PROBATION OFFICER

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Alcohol Unit – 303-271-6300
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Mack I think he's a deranged lunatic.

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07-06-2007 03:32 PM
duncan The guy was born in Boulder, Colorado.

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07-06-2007 03:36 PM
liberranter quote:
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Umm and I guess I will just have to

contact Darren's probation officer ...
again.
Either Darren is denser than concrete or he loves the

prospect of spending months or years in the
Posts: 5865 slammer and/or being sued into even deeper poverty
than he already lives in. Either way, he clearly
demonstrates that he is one of the human
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07-06-2007 04:07 PM

duncan One day I was driving thru Plateville, Colorado which is

Moderator the home of the Plateville Baptist church, which is the
same church that Darren purports to be a member of. I
Registered: Jul 2003 stopped to check out this church and discovered that it
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado is in fact a church for recovering alcoholics and drug
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addicts.
Umm and so ends another chapter in the life of this

amerikan anarchist.
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duncan I was told that dingaling made news in the Coloradoan,

Moderator which is a Ft. Collins based rag and a member of the
Gannet news chain aka the "chain gang".
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado As newspapers go the Coloradoan is one of the worst
Posts: 9017 around. The paper refused to even mention the person
who was made the victim of Morrison's prank, even
though it was the victim who gave them first whack at
the story.
It's a good thing I went to Westword uh?
There was a couple of things that came to light when I

was dealing with the university administration over this
case.
1. I got an awful lot of help from the CSU presidents

staff. They apparently had little use for the campus rag
and its tendency to lie alot about the facts and this was
certianly the case when the rag in question did the story
about myself and Morrison. No one told the news
reporter that I had a history with the CSUPD. McSwane
made it all up and claimed to have quoted the CSU
public relations office. McSwane also lied about police
chief Yarborough. Thanks Mr. President.
2. I met with Yarborough in great length and he had

substantiated the fact that the past CSUPD police chief
Don Hopkins was in fact keeping a secret file on me
while I had attended CSU, which was also handled
mostly by Capt. Bob Chafee.
I actually felt that Yarborough was sincere and honest. I

had explained to him my past with the CSUPD and the
lie they had told about me being a racist and a neo-nazi.
Yarborough stated that he knew I wasn't either one and
I then had asked him how could he know for sure? He
responded by saying "If you were one you wouldn't be
standing this close to me, you wouldn't have shaken my
hand and been as polite as you have been and for that
matter you would have never spoken to me in person in
the first place."
Yarborough is a black man from Chicago who has

encountered many a racist in his life time. Gosh and I
guess that makes cops like godslop, matt1 and Bob
Chaffee all liars The black cop at CSU is the only good
apple in the barrel. It was the white boys with the

Larimer County SO and the FCPD who first initiated the

lie and I owe you swine for what ?
3. Bob Chaffee was so upset about not being promoted

to Chief of police after Hopkins had retired that he quit
the department. He was upset about being passed over
in favor of a black man. Imagine that? Chaffee a racist
p8g and spying on me for what he was in fact guilty of.
Go figure. You got what you deserved ya little Nazi. I'm
sure that Chaffee never asked himself why he was never
received his coveted promotion and it had a lot to do
with his crappy attitude in regards to students.
Fat boy had the administration so pumped up about me

that they had all expected me to blow up a university
building or something. But the people who really knew
me at time knew better and the word was soon out that
Chaffee was full of crap. If you want to know about a
student simply ask one of his prof's and that's what they
did. Pay backs are a bitch Bob and you finally got yours.
During my entire stay at CSU I never did anything or

said anything derogatory towards any black student or
professor and yes I had taken two classes under black
instructors. One of them taught "Constitutional Law", Mr.
Hervey was his name and he has since died of cancer.
To bad he was a good guy.
4. McSwane is nothing more than self serving piece of

crap who is using the students newspaper to get a head
and promote his narrow minded leftist agenda. That's
right McSwane, that campus paper is the property of all
CSU students even the right wing and anarchist types
whom you loath so much and silence by not allowing
them voice their opinions in their own newspaper.
Trust me junior it will later bite you in the a$$ when you
become the big shot news reporter and I'll be there to
watch it happen.
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duncan The Dr. Thorn rant

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Thorn posted some comments about how certain Ft.

Registered: Jul 2003 Collins copsuckers are in Iraqi.
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And does this has what to do with what? Are you
admitting that the invasion of Iraqi was an illegal act and
this would be why no right wing repukelican's are able to
get into office? Would this be the reason why that Italian
fascist got less votes than Ron Paul?
Please enlighten us. This is nothing more than 'appeal to

pity' and has nothing to do with my post in regards to
the incompetent nature of the FCPD. Hey I'm not the
one making head line news over what the FCPD did to
Mr. Masters.
Thorn whined about the fact that I posted the addresses

of certain FCPD copsuckers. Yet he ignores the fact that
this is what the FCPD copscum did to me and has been
doing to me for the past twenty years. Hey if yer fellow
swine don't like it then I suggest that they stop doing it
to others whom they have a mere political disagreement
with.
I did four years in the military but what does this have
to do with the criminal acts of the FCPD?
Hilter served during WWI and received many decorations

for valor and heroism. But the f*ck is still a fascist. Was

this the comparison you were trying to make Thorn?
You posted that I listed the names of the copscum's

children. Show us were and when I did this Thorn. Is
your need to lie the only way that can deal with the fact
that you and yer fellow scum have got an axe to grind
with me?
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duncan This just in from our boy Morrison.

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you suck
This email has been sent from Rendar using a form at

the URL below,

which hides your email address from the email sender:

http://www.websitetoolbox.com/mb/baptistwatch
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GC Marciano As far as I know, none of your posts have been

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Senior Member Or perhaps you are using opera, and firefox, while both
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The MYSQL varies how it read especially on Vista, and
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Chicken my thoughts are useless. Without my thoughts I am
Posts: 127 useless. I must use my thoughts true. I must think
straighter with my thoughts than my enemy, who is
trying to kill me. I must out think him before he betters
me. I will. Before God I swear this creed: my thoughts
and myself are defenders of my country and my rights,
we are the masters of my enemy, we are the saviors of
my life. So be it, until there is no enemy, but peace.
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02-02-2008 04:32 PM

duncan Ummm and this is a violation of his probation. I guess I

Moderator shall have to call the proper authorities.
Registered: Jul 2003 I really was fun to see wittle Darren in court to cry like a
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado baby.
Posts: 9017
"But yer honor the devil made me do it. wawawa sniff
sniff"
I guess our boy is back on the bottle and I ain't talking

about the baby bottle.
I'm still in the TRT and yer outta here fat a$$.
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duncan As it turns out Dr. Thron is in fact Darren Morrison.

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Posts: 9017 http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/...ual-
aggression/
Subject(s): Tom Mauser, Duncan Philp, Darren Morrison,

Columbine But it takes something special to reach the
kind of bizarre denouement that played out in a
Jefferson County courtroom last week, when a gun
activist admitted to e-mailing death threats to a
Columbine parent in the name of another gun activist —
because, see, he believed his life had been threatened
by the other activist, and he wanted to see the man
arrested.
Makes sense? No? Then you haven't met Darren

Morrison.
Morrison, 44, is a Navy veteran and was, until recently,

a custodian at Colorado State University. He ran
unsuccessfully for Angie Paccione's seat in the state
legislature last year as a self-proclaimed independent,
pro-gun, anti-immigration, anti-abortion, born-again
Christian. An additional preoccupation, not listed in his
campaign biography, appears to be Duncan Philp.
Philp, a prominent gun-rights advocate who lives in

Wyoming, posts frequently on Tyranny Response Team
(www.trtnational.com) and has been a fixture at antiwar
and Second Amendment rights rallies in Fort Collins.
Morrison claims that Philp is a "hate monger" and has
shouted unpleasant things at him at protests through a
megaphone. He thinks he's seen Philp's car idling
outside his home. When Morrison was banned from
posting on the TRT forum a few months ago, Philp
suggested adding Morrison to a list of deceased
members: "Poor Darren we knew him well," he wrote.
Morrison regarded the jibe as a death threat.
Philp denies ever threatening Morrison. "I don't have the

time to drive seventy miles to stalk this guy," he says.
"He was sending me all kinds of e-mails taunting me. We
were never friends. He found out that a lot of the

Tyranny Response Team members are anarchist

libertarians, and he equates that with communists."
Last December as the feud heated up, a series of

ominous e-mails went out to law enforcement, a local
gun group and others, ostensibly from Philp, boasting of
his prowess with a .50-caliber handgun. The most
disturbing ones came to the inbox of Tom Mauser, who's
become an outspoken advocate of tougher gun laws
since his son, Daniel, was slain in the 1999 attack on
Columbine High School. Philp was involved in a protest
outside Mauser's home in 2001 and collected $20,000 in
a lawsuit over police harassment stemming from the
incident ("Deeper Into Columbine," October 31, 2002).
"I have a laser site on my 50 cal as well as a home

made silencer," one typo-riddled missive read. "I have
spotted planes fling into DIA. I could easly shoot one
down so do not take any trips for a while."
Mauser was understandably alarmed. "I get this stuff a

lot, but this one really did cross the line," he says. He
contacted the authorities.
The threat came to the attention of the director of the

FBI, and the Denver airport went to a heightened state
of security for a brief time. A few days later, in a parking
lot on the campus of a Cheyenne community college
where he was taking classes, Philp was confronted by six
sheriff's deputies, three FBI agents and four campus
security guards. Some of the officers had guns drawn,
Philp says, leading to a shouting match between him and
the federal agents.
"I just got fed up with this nonsense," he says. "I've put
up with it for fifteen years."
Questioned about the e-mails, Philp admitted some

familiarity with .50-caliber weaponry — enough to know
that shooting down an airplane with a handgun isn't an
option. He pointed out that the atrocious spelling and
grammar were similar to that found in messages he'd
received from Morrison. In online postings, Morrison has
acknowledged having dyslexia; he's also written of the
"rabid" growth of the TRT and to receiving "treats," not
threats, from Philp.
Morrison later admitted to a reporter from CSU's Rocky

Mountain Collegian that he'd sent the e-mails. He wrote

a letter of apology to Mauser and pleaded guilty to a
misdemeanor charge of harassment. At Morrison's
sentencing two weeks ago, Mauser testified about the
strain the threats caused to his family during the
Christmas season.
"My wife was very disturbed," he said. "He's playing with

people's lives. Mr. Philp has engaged in some unsavory
activities toward me over the years, but he didn't
deserve to be targeted like this, either."
A tearful Morrison apologized again while insisting that

he had reason to fear Philp. "I wasn't sure he wasn't
going to try to kill me," he said. "I got sucked into the
fight...What I did was inexcusable. I beat myself up all
the time for what I did...I've never done anything like
this. I just didn't think this through."
Philp suspects that Morrison is behind other threatening

e-mails he's received in recent months, a charge
Morrison has denied. Philp wanted the judge to order
some jail time as well as a psychological evaluation.
"He's cost the system an awful lot of money," he said.
Jefferson County Judge Judy Archuleta slapped Morrison

with a year's probation, five days in jail and a ban on
any future communication, electronic or otherwise, with
the Mauser family. "It sounds like everybody's running
scared of each other," she said.
After the hearing, Mauser expressed surprise that the

judge didn't ban Morrison from using the Internet
altogether. "The message has to get out that you can't
do this kind of thing without consequences," he said.
"One of the lessons we learned from Columbine is that
people who commit violence often signal their violence
first."
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duncan I'm in and yer out of the TRT Morrison.

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02-05-2008 10:33 PM

duncan I dropped a dime on fat boy.

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Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Subject: Reg: Darren Morrison
Posts: 9017 Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2008 16:33:20 -0700
From: "newcomer, alison" <alison.newcomer@judicial.
state.co.us> Add Mobile Alert
Please send any email/internet proof that you have
regarding Darren Morrison. Thank you.
Alison Newcomer
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02-07-2008 08:18 PM

duncan I just knew that fat boy would be back. He even said in
Moderator his previous emails that he would continue to try and get
me. It is a good thing that I saved all of his emails and
Registered: Jul 2003 have forwarded them onto his probation officer.
Posts: 9017 Morrison hates military veterans and has even
threatened to kill this one. I hope he tries. Morrison is a
triator to freedom who hates freedom of speech,
property rights and honorably discharged veterans of the
USCG.
Some fellow emailed me stating that he would be happy

to post Darren's DOB and SS# so that we can better
track him.
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duncan DOB; 8/12/62 POB Boulder, Colorado

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Age; 45
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Colorado Resident LKL 300 Starway st. Ft. Collins,
Posts: 9017 Colorado 80525
LKL of employment Colorado State University were he

worked as a janitor in a residence hall known as
Paramalee Hall. 750 Meridian ave Ft. Collins, Colorado.
Drivers lisence # 94-084-28698 Colorado DL.
SS#- I have and for now I will with hold it.
Race and ethnicity: White
Sex ; Male
Height; 6'
Weight; 300lbs
Criminal Morrison wears eye glasses
Morrison has been convicted for the previous crime of

assault. He cliamed that some fellow threatened his
******ed child and so he punched the guy. The guy
Morriosn punched was never charged with any sort of
crime, like threatening a minor.
This is the same crap he used on me and it got him no

where. No one has threatened his mentally challenged
brood. Morrison uses his children to get even with his
enemies. How sick is that? The big diffenrece between
me and his last victim is that he doesn't have the balls
to face me like a man and punch me in the face. You
have the chance to face me striaght up fat boy, just you
and me and your probation officer and we can all meet
face to face to talk about that drinking problem of yours.
Please come to Cheyenne and try to serve that bogus

restrianing order on me Morrison. I know a few deputies
who are tired of your crap and they want just five
minutes of your time and they don't want to you about
talk about the Super Bowl game. The deputies around
here have no love for me. They simply don't like having
their time wasted by fat boy with his bogus emails to the

fed.
Oh yea fat a$$ that so-called Christian church you

attend in Platteville was sent a copy of the Westword
article. Enjoy your meeting with the probation officer
and stop drinking that cheap a$$ Mad Dog 20/20.
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duncan The top ten people and things that Darren hates
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1. Me
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3. Bob Glass
4. The Tranny Response Team
5. Queers
6. Muslims
7. The Bill of Rights
8. Anarchists

9. Libertarians
10. Ron Paul
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duncan Poor wittle Darren aka Teok, banned yet again from our forums. This
Moderator time he even went so far as to threaten my life and that of Big Al's.
Darren can threaten me all he wants, but I think it unwise to
Registered: Jul 2003 threaten the life of some Italian guy with the name "Big Al" who lives
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado near Chicago. That guy could be one Big Al Capone's grandchildren,
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ya just never know about these things.
Apparently Morrison has discovered where I live. I seem to recall

many a copster instructing to never dial 911 or to call on them for
any help what so ever and so I won't ..... ever. If I see Darren at my
very door step I will consider his presence a threat to my life and
take appropriate measures to deal with him and I will not be dialing
911. I couldn't if I wanted to because I don't even have a phone.
Morrison thinks that what he tried to do me would scare me away

from the TRT or that it would get me to stop being a political activist.
He couldn't have been more wrong. The FBI pointing guns at me did

not scare me at all, it only pissed me off. FBI agents never scare me,
they only make me wanna puke. I enjoyed sceaming at those human
parasites and what they did to me only proved that the fed and local
copscum are in fact out to get me and shut me up.
I got my vindication thru the media. But more importantly I got what
I really wanted and it was something that I wasn't expecting to get,
thanks to Morrison.
For years the local Ft. Collins copscum have done their very best to
see me unemployed and on the streets to live in a gutter. It was
FCPD officer Chuck Cross and others who went to my former
employer and manager a guy by the name of Bower. Bower was the
manager of an electrial supply house, then called Loos Electric now
called Cresent Electric, who had fored for no reason. When we both
went to an adminstrative hearing over unemployment benefits, he
lost the hearing. Bower lost the hearing because he couldn't prove a
justifiable reason for firing me. He had admitted at the hearing the he
had done so because he did not like the fact that I was the leader of
a local Copwatch organization and he was the umpire of a local
policeman's soft ball league and many of the local copscum were his
pals.
Thanks to the local copsters and Bower I ended up attending CSU

and later graduating. And thanks again to the local copsters and
Morrison I am about to graduate from another acamdemic institution
and do so at the states expense. A private school in Lakewood,
Colorado is were I will be recieving my next degree this coming
August.
For the time being I cannot post the name of the school, but I will do
so after graduation. It will really blow your mind as to what this little
private school teaches. The entire story behind what brought me to
this school will be posted after graduation. I had dreamed of
attending this school for the last twenty years and a degree from this
school means more to me than the one I had recieved from CSU.
Thanks Darren, you stupid f*cking dweeb. I couldn't have done it

without you and the FBI.
P.S. Darren ,
I don't live in Wyoming anymore. I now live near Lakewood,

Colorado. Come and find me if you can.
P.S. Copsuckers,
What are you scum going to do when I don't dial 911? But hey keep
trying to f*ck me over it has always been of great help to me.
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liberranter Man, Duncan, you've certainly proved that these pea-brained

Super Moderator fascists aren't very bright. If stupidity were currency, you'd be
living in one of the richest regions of the wealthiest country on
earth.
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03-24-2008 03:47 PM
duncan Morrison's probation period is about to come to an end this next

Moderator month.
Registered: Jul 2003 He now knows were I live and the local copscum with Laramie county
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado are looking our for him to show up here. I'm hoping that he does
Posts: 9017 show up at my very door step, but he won't he is after all a gutless
wonder and a coward.
Morrison has lost, but I'm sure that he will continue to be an internet
terrorist with no substance.
But I should take this opportunity to thank the dumba$$. If not for
his stupid act I would have never gotten Wyoming Voc/Rehab to pay
to send me a school I have dreamed of going to most of my adult
life. Just three more months to go and I will recieve yet another
college degree aka Applied Occupational Associates Science Degree.
Thanks Darren and kudos to you as well herr Bibik and herr Schmidt
with the FBI.
You people make me wanna cry from to much laughter.
Oh yea and I will be back at LCCC to get yet another degree in math.

I better not see any of you f*cks with LCCC campus security following
me around stalking me. DO YOU GET THE F*CKING MESSAGE
BAILEY? PHETTEPLACE? I will make you two swine famous, try me if
you don't believe I can make it happen.
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GC Marciano I wonder if his continued harassing posts towards you here are a
Copwatcher Extraordinaire violation of his probation?
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duncan Date: Fri, 8 Jun 2007 06:12:41 -0700 (PDT)

Moderator From: "Darren Morrison" <rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com> Add to Address
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Subject: I'm sorry
Duncan
I am sorry for all the trouble I have done. I am sorry that I lied. I am
sorry I tried to get you in trouble. I have been punish for what I did. I
am sorry I made the pro-gun movement look bad. Went to jail have a
very large fine and probation. I am washed up. I lost my job as a
septic truck driver because of going to jail but worst of all I lost my
wife and kid too. My wife left me and she was that only good thing
about my life. I want to kill myself. I think about suicide a lot, but I
am to much of a coward to go though with it yet. If you wanted to use
me as target practice I will never say anything to anyone. You could
tell me to meet you some were and then shoot me and no one will
ever know. Then you can see how well one of you guns will work on a
real person. It is a win, win situation. You see you get to kill some one
and have a real target to hit and I get to die and don’t have suffer
anymore. If you need to you can put a loaded gun in my hand and say
it was self defense. After all they would believe that considering our
history.

I used to be on medication for clinical depression but stop taken then

years ago because I was told that Christian who take such medicines
are sinning and that Christians are not to be depressed so I had been
depressed and felt guilty for it so for that last 13 years I have been
feeling that there was something wrong with me and that I was a bad
Christian because I am depressed all the time. I would have never
done this if I had been on medication not that that is and excuse but I
belive that. We I stop going to the Platteville Church last year and
have been spiraling down ever since. I wanted to be a good Christian
but never could. So I would right hate fill post on free republic and
other sights to try to make myself fell better but it never worked. I do
not hate you, I do not hate Homosexual libertarians anarchist. Marxist
well I do not care for then but as people I do not hate but the idea of
Marxism and the evil is incurred I hate.
Now I have a situation that makes me depressed you know because of

the nasty rotten thing I did. So I have reason to be depressed and
then I have the depression that I have all the time for no reason
together so know I am very depressed so much I can not sleep very
well. I can not go get a job I am crippled with depression so if you do
want to shot me it would be a good thing. I am a dufus I am a bad
person and to kill me would be doing the world a favor. I do not want
to be your enemy anymore but I do not want to be alive.
I have no job so no way can I afford to see a Psychologist and back on
medication. I was hoping that in the trail you would have
recommended that I get mental help but you never did. Could you
please help my shooting me or directing me to someone who would
please Duncan than you could have full revenge if you want.
Darren
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Posts: 9017
Well, it appears you have won dumbcan. No you have not. You won
the battle, not the war. I may be gone for awhile, but you will always
have to look over your shoulder. Keep a good eye looking at all times
dumbcan.... you never know who or when......Your rants go on and
on. Do you really think the people on cop watch take you serious?
You dont talk **** to cops. your a big man postin on the internet,
and nothing more. You are the definition of \"all talk, no ****\"
Dumbcan, you are ridiculed behind your back by every group you are
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duncan Umm and in which post is he telling the truth?

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The second one or the email he sent me back in April of '07.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado He says that he will get me, I can only assume that he means to kill
Posts: 9017 me. Why? Only he knows this one.
He imagined that I had threatened his offspring, yet he can't site and
instance when and were this had occured. No names, dates or eye
witnesses to me ever doing what he claims I did. When doing a
search engine of Darren I found a piece of the answer on the Free
Republic Forum. he made the same claim towards another man and
claims that he punched the man in the face. Morriosn was in fact
charged with a crime that involved this very issue.
If I had threatened his brood then why won't he confront me and

punch me in the face? His old friends with the TRT never believed his
story about me threatening his kids. Tom Buchannan exposed
another piece of the puzzle as to the why of it all. Tom told me that
Darren had wanted the old TRT gang to go along with his crap in
order to get me out of the TRT, but in the end it all back fired and he
lost respect and credibility amongst his fellow tin foil groupies. His
obsession of getting control over the TRT and getting rid of the
anarchist who are members of the TRT has been his undoing.
One last peice of the puzzle came to me when I went to his church in
Platteville, Colorado to deliver a copy of last new story about the
issue as written by Westword. The church in Platteville is a church for
drug addicts and drunks and Darren's former pal and co-worker Rex
Kromer had told me that Darren would like to drink alot and post on
the net when he was drunk.
All Morrison has left is his hatred and his PC. He lost his job, his
credibility and according to him his fat ass wife. He still lives at the
same address in Fort Fun and is still sending me emails. I simply
ignore his emails and all of his posting on our forum get banned
along with those he makes on the TRT forums.
I welcome the challenge this second time around, but then dealing
with ****** ain't much of a challenge.
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GC Marciano Wow... that guy is really stupid. His email has "TRY TO TRAP
Copwatcher Extraordinaire DUNCAN" written all over it.
Not that it would do any good, but I'd report that email to the
proper authorities... he is obviously a danger to himself and
others.
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05-17-2008 06:10 PM
duncan I did and doing so only prove my point. Anarchy is the only way as
Moderator state employees will selectivley choose who they will and won't work
for.
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duncan Our resident fruit cake has posted my email addy on Criags List.
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The website moderator has deleted any pics and pofiles.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I had no idea that you were a queer Morrison.
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liberranter quote:
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I had no idea that you were a queer Morrison.
Queer and crazy? Man, Morrison has some serious issues!

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duncan Darren's fake monikers to date:

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Dark Acolyte
Registered: Jul 2003 barbedwire76
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado blue76
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comb
coorsman
dillweed76
dr.thorn
dungwhole
freakboy101
Cletus Fudd
gulfstream
hellanor
Duggie Howard
Leyla
monkey-butt
mustard plug
southpark
starviego

flyers stink
sunflower76
Tigerwater
unisome
Joe Van
webster's word
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duncan Queer. crazy and now a convicted criminal.

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06-04-2008 09:01 PM
duncan I still laugh every time I think of Darren crying to that judge just
Moderator before she was about to send him to prison. The guy's double chin
was quivering and his big old belly was shaking like a bowl of jelly.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "Please, please don't send me to prison your honor." sniff sniff tears
Posts: 9017 rolling down his fat greasy cheeks " I won't do it any more. I
promise, just don't send me to prison. I have a fat wife to feed and
two little dufus's to care for."
The judge not buying his routine and niether was Tom Mauser. Both
people found Morriosn to be quite a disgusting spectacle. The only
fools that would ever buy into his crapola were the teenagers with
that CSU rag.
You may wonder why I went to the Collegian first with this hot news
story. Their printing of it gave me the lead to get the story in the
RMN and Westword.
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duncan The continued saga of "Mad" Morrison

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Some one emailed these numbers and a few others as well. I have no
Registered: Jul 2003 idea what they mean.
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5??-21-0692
94-084-2698
08/12/62
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06-14-2008 04:43 PM
duncan I emailer ask me not to post their emails to me on any website, but
Moderator to post these numbers.
Registered: Jul 2003 The guy said something about being a CSU employee who was
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado working at Paramlee Hall.
Posts: 9017
Ummm and what does it all mean?
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06-14-2008 04:46 PM
duncan Umm let me see if I can figure this one out.

Moderator
The first set of numbers appear to be a Social Security number, but
Registered: Jul 2003 who do they belong to?
Posts: 9017 The third set appear to be a birth date and the second set I have no
idea.
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duncan Maybe someone can tell me what it all means.

Moderator
A CSU employee who works at Parmalee Hall ummm.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Oh wait Darren Morrison use to work at CSU and at
Posts: 9017 Paramlee Hall. I should check his file and the citation he
was issued for harassing poor Tom Mauser.
shuffle, shuffle, shuffle
Hear we go. The second set of numbers matches

Darren's DL # and third set matches his DOB. That could
mean that the first set of numbers is in fact his SS#.
Oh my, I guess Darren must have pissed someone off at

CSU. Gee and there's a real suprise. His former
supervisor would of course had access to his SS#, so
maybe she was the one who sent it to me. But this is the
internet and we have no way of knowing who sent me
that number.
Let me check that citation again.
Darren Micheal Morrison
300 Starway street in Ft. Collins, Colorado 80525
POB: Boulder, Colorado
Home # 970-223-0371
DOB: 08/12/62
Drivers Lisence # 94-084-2698
SS# - blacked out
weight -300 lbs
height- 6'
Criminal History- Charged with assault and convicted for

a lesser charge through a plea agreement. Charged and
found guilty of harassment. Charged and found guilty of
driving under the influence of alcohol.
Umm a three time loser. I wonder if Darren's new

employer knows about his criminal past?

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06-14-2008 05:04 PM
duncan Hey if anyone knows of some poor Mexican National that

Moderator could use a new ID so that he or she can go to work in
the states, then feel free to give them this one.
Posts: 9017
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06-14-2008 05:08 PM
duncan The Subjects Name Is Darren Morrison And Their 9 Digit

Moderator SSN Is 5??-21-0692.
Would You Like To Verify That This Is Darren Morrison's
Registered: Jul 2003 SSN?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado http://www.usatrace.com/ssntrace2.php
Posts: 9017
Database To Verify Or Reveal;
Date and Year SSN:5??-21-0692 was issued
Automatically Detect and Flag If Darren Morrison's
SSN:5??-21-0692 Has Been Used In A Death Claim File
Darren Morrison's Address from SSN:5??-21-0692
Darren Morrison's Address history for the last 7 years,

possibly up to 10 years including Months and Years All
Addresses Were Used by Darren Morrison
Possible Age and Year of Birth of Darren Morrison
Possible Spouses Darren Morrison May Have
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Any Bankruptcies Darren Morrison May Have
Any Judgments and Liens Darren Morrison May Have
Property Records That Darren Morrison May Have
Any Listed Phone Numbers Darren Morrison May Have

Other Names and or SSN's Being Used By Darren
Morrison
Possible aka's (Names Darren Morrison may have used
with other marriages or aliases)
Darren Morrison's Neighbors and Their Addresses

Including Any Listed Phone Numbers They May Have
Address History For Other Names and Or SSN's Being

Used By Darren Morrison
If SSN:5??-21-0692 Is Being Used By Anyone Else and

Who It Is, Along With Their Address History For The Last
7 Years Possibly Up to 10
How a Social Security Number Trace Is Conducted
First Darren Morrison's social security number 5??-21-

0692 is entered into a National Investigative Database.
The primary information that is returned from a social
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Accessing this information is undetected by the subject
and they are never notified.
This is by far the single most powerful effective search in

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information, Year of birth , aka, and others associated
with Darren Morrison's SSN. Or others who have used
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roommate, friend, etc.) without them even knowing this
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Morrison's age and YOB ( year of birth) is also returned .
The SSN:5??-21-0692 will be identified as a valid or
invalid number and provide the year and state the social
security number was issued in. Also what is really great
about this report is if Darren Morrison tries to use a SSN
that is different than their own, 9 times out of 10 this is
immediately flagged, and will provide their real SSN and
the new social security number they are using along with
any addresses Darren Morrison has used with them as
well. The same applies with AKA'S (other names Darren
Morrison might have been using) will show up on this
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on this report also. Oh, and if Darren Morrison is trying
to hide by using a social security number that was

issued in a death claim file, this will be flagged

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First Darren Morrison's social security number 5??-21-

0692 is entered into a National Investigative Database
derived primarily from archived major consumer
reporting agency records. The SSN:522-21-0692 is then
cross referenced with billions of other records( yes I said
billions) to reveal Darren Morrison's reported addresses,
listed phone numbers, and neighbors of theirs.
Our reports do not stop there! They are much different

than a typical social security number search ,which will
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Including judgments, Liens, bankruptcies, Property
Ownership, Others who may have used the addresses of
Darren Morrison (like a spouse, relative, friend,
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and which state and year the ssn was issued to them.
Listed phone numbers for each address, There is no
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06-14-2008 05:36 PM
duncan Here Is How This Report On Darren Morrison Can Help

Moderator You
Registered: Jul 2003 Quickly Verify/Validate Darren Morrison's SSN:5??-21-

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 0692 With the SSA (social security Administration) and
Posts: 9017 archived records of a Major Consumer Reporting Agency
Quick Example: You have one of your parent (Darren
Morrison's) SSN:5??-21-0692 which you obtained years
ago but had no idea how to use this number to find your
parent until you came across Fast-Track. So you run the
SSN:5??-21-0692 through the National Investigative
Database and quickly determine that your parents
SSN:5??-21-0692 was used in a death claim filed with
the SSA in 1994 for benefits. You just determined that
your parent Darren Morrison is in fact deceased and can
now have peace of mind to your parents whereabouts.
Quick Example: You are hiring Darren Morrison and want

to verify Darren Morrison's SSN:5??-21-0692 and obtain
some additional info on Darren Morrison. You run the
SSN Trace and quickly determine the SSN Darren
Morrison provided you was incorrect and was just issued
in 1997. You decide not to hire Darren Morrison fearing

they have something to hide. You also just saved

yourself a headache with your taxes.
Obtain Darren Morrison's Address As Reported To A

Major Consumer Reporting Agency
Quick Example: You are looking for an old friend named

Darren Morrison that you used to live with. You found
Darren Morrison's SSN:5??-21-0692 on an old paystub
laying around in some boxes. You run the SSN:5??-21-
0692 through the National Investigative Database and
quickly learn of Darren Morrison's new address based on
their SSN:5??-21-0692.
Here Are A Few Samples Of What Others Are Saying

About Our Social Security Number Searches
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Track, we found them in one day.
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06-14-2008 05:37 PM

duncan Bad boy, bad boy, watcha gonna do when they come for
Moderator you, bad boy, bad boy.
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06-14-2008 05:39 PM
duncan I was just over at Criagslist.com and whilst I was surfing

Moderator that website looking for stuff I noticed that some cad
had gone and posted Darren's SS# along with his other
Registered: Jul 2003 personal info.
Posts: 9017 "Oh the horror of it all."
I heard that line in a movie once and thought it sounded

good. I think it was a war movie in which the great war
hero turns agianst the army he had once worked for.
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06-14-2008 06:08 PM
duncan I was told by those who were present at Morrison's

Moderator arrest, while he was at work, that when the FBO first
approached him aobut sending out harassign emails he
Registered: Jul 2003 denied it all. When shown the emails and told that they
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado came form Paramlee Hall Morrison folded like a cheap
Posts: 9017
suit and began to pull his blubbering acts.
His double chin quivered and so did his huge belly. Not
even the incredible FBI was buying any of it.
"Please don't arrest me I have a fat wife and two little

******s to feed."
It was said by many that after hauling fat boy off to jail
there was a little puddle of water were he had once
stood during his interrogation.
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06-15-2008 07:44 PM
GC Marciano quote:
It was said by many that after
hauling fat boy off to jail there was
a little puddle of water were he had
once stood during his interrogation.

Posts: 9967
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06-15-2008 08:29 PM

duncan This just in form Morrison

Moderator
Darren Morrison <randonbbsaturn@yahoo.com> wrote:

Registered: Jul 2003 Hey Uncle Dunkie. I'm a 22 yr. old black male, brown
Posts: 9017 eyes, short black hair,round face, 5' 10, 250 lbs., 42
waist, size 11 shoe, a 5 in.+ cut ****, a fat ass, thick
thighs, and soft lips. I'm looking to get ****ed for the
FIRST time (I have no idea how to prepare or how it
works). I'm into older men, oral sex, anal sex, niple
play, j/o, i love to swallow, deep kissing, heavy petting,
and the like. I'm not too picky, but I love heavyset men.
I'm disease free and HIV-, and you should be too. I play
safe. I can't host and so I must travel. I'm looking to
hook up on Tuesday, but will make an exception if you're
too horny to wait. I want to spend the day and/or night
****ing. I want to be discreet. These are my pics. This
IS SERIOUS, please **** me. E-mail me soon.
Sorry Darren I don't do queers.
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06-15-2008 08:45 PM

GC Marciano Damn Darren, you have a 5 incher? No wonder you

Copwatcher Extraordinaire are so insecure. Every girl that ever took a peak ran
off laughing at what she saw.
Poor little queer bastard.
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Registered: Jul 2003 about bad cops on the Internet is to inform the public for its
Location: Chicago, Illinois own safety, not to humiliate the officer. Even if the collateral
Posts: 9967 effect of the Internet posting is to shame the officer, this effect

06-15-2008 09:55 PM
duncan We now know why he was a pecker checker in the Navy.

Moderator Darren had a thing for those Marine peckers.
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06-16-2008 01:28 PM
duncan I nearly forgot. The Colorado Constitutional Party is

Moderator located right here in Arvada, Colorado. Since I'm in
Lakewood and all I should stop by and give them a copy
Registered: Jul 2003 of that news article about Morrison's criminal past.
Posts: 9017 Darren's the kind of guy who wears a t-shirt in which his
big belly sticks out from beneath the shirt. When he
bends over you can see the crack of his fat a$$.
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06-20-2008 03:46 PM

duncan "Darren Morrison" <ray.2700@hotmail.com> Add to

Moderator Address BookAdd to Address Book Add Mobile Alert
Registered: Jul 2003 Subject: Your CL Post
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 11:28:57 -0500
Posts: 9017
Hello,
I stumbled across your post. What you propose sounds

fun. I'd even chip in and buy some beer or wine for the
event.
A little about me. I am a clean sane 42yo white guy. I

sport a 6.5" cut **** and am versatile so if there are a
lot of TOPS that make it, I can do double duty as a
bottom. I do prefer to play safe only regardless of if I
am on top or bottom.
I am attached as they say so I need discretion but I am

not too worried about that. It is more that the schedule
gets in the way.
So... Keep me in mind if anything "cums" up as I would

love to attend. What would be even cooler is if we could
figure out how to get a men's club together for monthly
engagements. We used to do that at Midtowne Spa a
few years back but it dissolved.
A group of guys would get together, each getting a

locker usually and then chipping in to rent the big sling
room downstairs and make it an orgy. I remember some
great times. Lots of ass ****ing, lots of sucking and lots
of smiling men!!
I remember once I ended up being the main event as

the bottom. Les, a friend of mine would make sure the
guys were wrapped and I would feel another ****
making it's way into my rear end. I was soar at the end
butt I enjoyed every stroke. Sure wish it was safe
enough to go bare as I would of loved all of that cum in
my rear end. Alas, it aint!!
Anyway, I digress.
Let me know if you are able to set something up.
Sincerely,
Darren

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06-20-2008 03:50 PM
duncan I reciveed a nice letter in the mail today from a group

Moderator calling itself "The Mexican League". I'll read this heart
warming letter for you all.
Posts: 9017
Dear Senor Duncan
We would like to thank you for posting senor Morrison's

SS# as we used it to feed a familiy of seven mexicans.
We want to thank you from the bottom of our hearts
P.S. Tell senor Morrison sorry about the use of his SS#,
but what the f*ck he an a$$hole anyway
Asta la vista baby.
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06-21-2008 10:23 PM
duncan I won't post the email Darren sent me, not on our fine
Moderator forum.
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06-21-2008 10:24 PM
GC Marciano quote:
I won't post the email Darren sent
me, not on our fine forum.
It's probably just more queer shit anyway.
Registered: Jul 2003 I wonder if Darren was born a fag or if his daddy
Location: Chicago, Illinois made him that way?
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06-22-2008 06:35 AM

duncan If you could just see his fat a$$ wife, then you would
Moderator understand why he went the other way.
Registered: Jul 2003 __________________



06-22-2008 09:16 PM
duncan Darren has been banned from the following forums.

Moderator
TRT National
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Wyoming TRT
Posts: 9017
Copwatch
Free Republic
Criags List
CSU Collegian
Not even the queers want to hear his crap and they have
banned him from over ten of their forums.
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06-24-2008 01:55 PM
duncan There is of course a way for Darren's personal

Moderator information to get deleted form our forum.
Registered: Jul 2003 1. Stop your direct emails to me.

Posts: 9017 2. Stop your indirect emials to me through the use of
other websites etc... .
3. Go to all the websites were you have posted my

picture and email them and then tell the people who own
and or moderate those websites what you did and why
you did it and tell them to remove all your BS.
4. Attend the TRT Bill of Rights Day event this coming

December 13th, 2008 at the Pulliam Bldg in Loveland,
Colorado and stand at the lectern to make a public
apology to me and all the other TRT members.
5. Turn in your TRT t-shirt to Kevin.
I have filed away all of your direct and indirect emails to

me. Your personal info will stand until you do the right
thing.
You lied when you stated the following crap about me to

others.

1. "Duncan cussed out my kid."
When and were did this occur? Were if any are your
witnesses and I will not accept the prompted garbage
that you jave fed to your wife and your two little kiddies.
2. "Duncan has been stalking me."
Once again when and were did this occur? If this really
happened then why haven't you contacted the police?
Why didn't the FBI arrest me instead of you? What is the
make and model of the car you saw me driving when I
supposedly drove by your home? What was the LP
number of the car?
The reason you were arrested and charged with the

crime of harrasement is because what you told the fed
about me never happened and thye know that it never
happened. The judge, the DA, the FBI and not even Tom
Mauser were buying any of your lies
about me threatening or stalking you.
3. "Duncan is a communist."
I'm not the one who spent the last ten years working at
CSU to collect a pay check at the expense of the
taxpayers, you are. I attended CSU and I graduated
from this institution that I was taxed to pay for wether I
had used it or not. My family has lived in Colorado since
the 1880's and we are up to seven generations ergo CSU
is my campus and since me and mine have been made
to pay for the crap that goes on there since the 1880's I
will use the thing to my advantage.
Enuf said
Duncan Philp, USCG 1976- 1980 and still defending

freedom from the right and the left. I will do as I please
with my flag and there ain't a f*cking thing you or any
other veteran can do about it.
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06-28-2008 08:42 PM
duncan Darren made a febble attmept to get others to lie for

Moderator him in hopes of getting me arrested and or killed by the
copscum.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado These other veterans refused to do a thing for Darren
Posts: 9017 after he made his request to have them lie about me to
the copsters. Morrison lost not only veteran friends he
lost any standing he ahd in the community.
Goodbye fat boy and this string will stand until you do
the right thing by coming forward with the truth.
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duncan The many emails of Darren

Moderator
richarddick1956@gmail.com
Posts: 9017
rvt223@yahoo.com
krizowskie@yahoo.com
denvercd4u@yahoo.com
bellstar@singlesclublive.com
randonbbsaturn@yahoo.com
pj800355@msn.com
ashleycampbell95862@yahoo.com

ray.2700@hotmail.com
Thomas Jefferson" <rmrattlesnake@lycos.com>
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07-08-2008 04:21 PM
duncan These are his regular emails addy's

Moderator
dr.thorn@yahoo.com
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com
Posts: 9017
zapata_trt@yahoo.com
baptistcorpsman@yahoo.com
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07-08-2008 04:25 PM
duncan http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/pol/721385357.html
Moderator
Northern Colorado Progressives. (Northern Colorado)
Posts: 9017 Reply to: comm-721385357@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-06-16, 7:47AM MDT
The Communist party of Wyoming, Northern Colorado and western

Nebraska.
We have a new office located at my house. The revolution begins here
and now. The gas prices are up people hate bush and America is almost
ripe for a communist revolution. Northern Colorado is full of a bunch of
inbred rednecks so how are they going to stop us.
If you hate this Country, If you hate the cops, if you hate veterans and
our sell out troops, If you hate corporations, If you hate religions but
you love jobs for everyone, Heath care for everyone, end all racism,
stop environmental pollution and a one world government.
This is a call to action for all Progressive people of Wyoming, Northern

Colorado and western Nebraska.
A new place headquarters the CCP-USA.
I am Duncan Philp the Communist political agitator for this region.
It is time for the communist party to no longer take a back seat in

American politics. The progressive movement is awakening.
4832 Monroe ave. Carpenter Wyoming. 82054.
Zapata105@yahoo.com
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07-17-2008 10:03 PM
duncan I thought that was Morrison's white pickup truck drive by my house the
Moderator other day.
Registered: Jul 2003 Poor Darren he still can't spell for **** can he?
Posts: 9017 A one point he claimed that I'm a nazi and now I'm a communist. The
fat slob just can't seem to decide which is which, but then that might be
because the stupid f*ck doesn't know the difference between a
communist and a nazi.
If Darren supports the troops and other veterans then why does he hate
this veteran? Why does he hate free speech and freedom of thought?
Does anyone want to do some photo shop of Morrison's big fat face for
me?
I have contacted the moderators of this forum and they are doing
lawsuits.
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07-17-2008 10:07 PM

Moderator
RE: Northern Colorado Progressives. (Northern Colorado) (Fort Collins)
Posts: 9017 Reply to: comm-723952410@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-06-18, 6:55AM MDT
I know you Duncan Philp.

You are the same guy who pulls up flags from the cemetery and throws
them in the trash, on Memorial Day. You also hang out with the anti-war
folks on the NW corner of Mulberry and college and trample on the
American flag while waving a U.N. Flag, untill the protester ask you to
leave.
According to the southern poverty law center, you were a member of

Pete Peters Church in Laporte.
Location: Fort Collins

it's NOT ok to contact this poster with services or other commercial
interests
PostingID: 723952410
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So which is it Darren am I a communist or a member of a neo-nazi

church?
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re:Northern Colorado Progressives. - (Northern Colorado) pic
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Reply to: comm-722349105@craigslist.org
Date: 2008-06-16, 7:41PM MDT
I think you'll fit in well with obamas' camp.

interests
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07-17-2008 10:12 PM
duncan Re: AbuseTuesday, July 22, 2008 9:24 AM

Moderator From: "craigslist" <abuse@craigslist.org>Add sender to Contacts To:
"duncan philp" <zapata105@yahoo.com>Apologies for the hassle, that
Registered: Jul 2003 post has been removed from the listings.
Posts: 9017
Regards,
craigslist customer service
**********ORIGINAL TEXT**********
> Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 07:43:31 -0700 (PDT)

> From: duncan philp <zapata105@yahoo.com>
> To: <abuse@craigslist.org>
> Subject: Abuse
>
> My pic and false info has been posted about me on your forum by a
man name Darren Morrison.
>
> http://fortcollins.craigslist.org/pol/721385357.html
>
> Northern Colorado Progressives. (Northern Colorado)
>
> Morrison was arrested by the FBI and found guilty of the crime of
harrassment in a Jefferson County Colorado court. Here is a link to the
story.
>
> http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/...tual-aggression
>
>
> Please remove any post made under my email addy
zapata105@yahoo.com or anything that contains my name Duncan
Philp. If you would like to pursue any civil or criminal actions against
Morrison please let me know as I may be able to assist you.

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07-22-2008 03:11 PM
duncan You've been busted again Darren. The forum owners are pursuing
Moderator criminal action as well as civil.
Registered: Jul 2003 Dumbass Darren had no idea that Criagslist was recently under fire for
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado allowing the posting of a teenage girls pic by another person who was
Posts: 9017 pretending to be the girl in question. This young girl saw her pic and the
false info posted with it on Criagslist and she later comitted suicide.
The owners of the forum have taken a rigid stance on the posting of
false info in reference to individuals and are suing the people who
commit the crime of internet harrasement.
I knew that you would blow it again Morrison, now bend over and take it
up the a$$ like a tight little boy.
I win, you lose and your crap has been deleted.
Poor Darren he spends way to much time f*cking himself over and over
and over and .....
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07-22-2008 03:17 PM
duncan This just came in

Moderator
Possible Interview OpportunityTuesday, July 22, 2008 11:00 AM

Registered: Jul 2003 From: "Danielle Duff" <danielle.duff@aljazeera.net>Add sender to
Posts: 9017 Contacts To: "Zapata105@yahoo.com" <Zapata105@yahoo.com>Mr.
Duncan Philp,
Hi, my name is Danielle Duff and I work for Al-Jazeera English. I am

doing preliminary work for our coverage of the DNC. Will you be in
attendance at the 2008 DNC in Denver ? If so, I would be interested in
interviewing you. Our story is focusing on the groups that will be
protesting at the DNC, and what their causes are. I would love to learn
more about your work with the Communist Party.
Please let me know if you are interested. I can provide more details in
the future.
Sincerely,
Danielle Duff
Danielle Duff
Political Unit
Al Jazeera English
Office: +1-202-496-4395
Mobile: +1-304-377-6097
Fax: +1-202-496-4501
"You must be the change you wish to see in the world"

- Mahatma Gandhi

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07-22-2008 03:25 PM
duncan My respose
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Re: Possible Interview OpportunityTuesday, July 22, 2008 11:24 AM

Registered: Jul 2003 From: "duncan philp" <zapata105@yahoo.com>Add sender to Contacts
Posts: 9017 To: "Danielle Duff" <danielle.duff@aljazeera.net>What brought you to
the conclusion that I'm a communist? Or that I have a group or that I'm
attending the DNC protest?
The man you need to talk to would be Darren Morrison and not me.
http://www.westword.com/2007-06-07/...tual-aggression
This would be a great story about the evil ways of neo-cons and the sort
of people who support the draft dodger herr Bush and his illegal
invasion of Iraq. Morrison hates freedom of speech and support the
notion of killing military veterans who are opposed to Bush and his
sham in Iraq.
If I don't hear from you soon I will give this story to Westword and
Morrison can continue to be famous.
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07-22-2008 03:27 PM
duncan I'm gonna make you famous .... again Darren.

Moderator
hahahahahahahaha
Posts: 9017 "I would rather die on my feet fighting rather than live to grovel on my knees." -
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07-22-2008 03:27 PM

GC Marciano Good work Darren, you retarded bitch.

Remember - judges aren't known for going easy on repeat
offenders.
Enjoy!
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07-22-2008 04:03 PM
duncan History
Moderator The original Al Jazeera channel was started in 1996 with a US$150
million grant from the Emir of Qatar, Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado In April 1996, the BBC World Service's Saudi-co-owned Arabic language
Posts: 9017 TV station, faced with censorship demands by the Saudi Arabian
government, shut down after two years of operation. Many former BBC
World Service staff members joined Al Jazeera, which at the time was
not yet on air. The channel began broadcasting in late 1996.[3]
Al Jazeera's availability (via satellite) throughout the Middle East

changed the television landscape of the region. Prior to the arrival of Al
Jazeera, many Middle Eastern citizens were unable to watch TV
channels other than state-censored national TV stations. Al Jazeera
introduced a level of freedom of speech on TV that was previously
unheard of in many of these countries. Al Jazeera presented
controversial views regarding the governments of many Persian Gulf
states, including Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Bahrain and Qatar; it also
presented controversial views about Syria's relationship with Lebanon,
and the Egyptian judiciary. Critics accused Al Jazeera of sensationalism
in order to increase its audience share. Al Jazeera's broadcasts have
sometimes resulted in drastic action: For example, on 27 January 1999,
Al Jazeera had critics of the Algerian government on during their live
program El-Itidjah el-Mouakass (="The Opposite Direction"). The
Algerian government cut the electricity supply to at least large parts of
the capital Algiers (and allegedly to large parts of the country), to
prevent the program from getting seen.[4][5][6] At that time, Al
Jazeera was not yet generally known in the Western world, but where it
was known, the opinion about it was often favourable[7] and Al Jazeera

claimed to be the only politically independent television station in the

Middle East. Al Jazeera's well presented coverage of the Lebanese Civil
War in 2000-2001 gave its viewer ratings a boost throughout the
region. However, it wasn't until late 2001 that Al Jazeera achieved
worldwide recognition, when it broadcast video statements by al-Qaeda
leaders.[8]
Funding
Further to the initial US$ 150 million grant from the Emir of Qatar, Al
Jazeera had aimed to become self-sufficient through advertising by
2001, but when this failed to occur, the Emir agreed to continue
subsidizing it on a year-by-year basis (US$30 million in 2004,[9]
according to Arnaud de Borchgrave). Other major sources of income
include advertising, cable subscription fees, broadcasting deals with
other companies, and sale of footage.[10] In 2000, advertising
accounted for 40% of the station's revenue.[11]
[edit] Outside the Middle East

Main article: Al Jazeera English
In 2003, Al Jazeera hired its first English-language journalist, Afshin
Rattansi, from the BBC's Today Programme (which had been at the
heart of UK events when it came to Tony Blair's decision to back the U.
S. invasion of Iraq).
In March 2003, it launched an English-language website (see below).
On July 4, 2005 Al Jazeera officially announced plans to launch a new

English-language satellite service to be called Al Jazeera International.
[12] The new channel started at 12h GMT on November 15, 2006 under
the name Al Jazeera English and has broadcast centers in Doha (next to
the original Al Jazeera headquarters and broadcast center), London,
Kuala Lumpur and Washington D.C.. The channel is a 24-hour, 7-day-a-
week news channel, with 12 hours broadcast from Doha, and four hours
each from London, Kuala Lumpur, and Washington D.C.
With Al Jazeera's growing global outreach and influence, some scholars

including Adel Iskandar have described the station as a transformation
of the very definition of "alternative media."[13]
[edit] Viewership
It is widely believed internationally that inhabitants of the Arab world
are given limited information by their governments and media, and that
what is conveyed is biased towards the governments' views.[5] Many
people see Al Jazeera as a more trustworthy source of information than
government and foreign channels. Some scholars and commentators
use the notion of contextual objectivity,[4] which highlights the tension
between objectivity and audience appeal, to describe the station's
controversial yet popular news approach.[14] As a result, it is probably
the most watched news channel in the Middle East. Increasingly, Al
Jazeera's exclusive interviews and other footage are being rebroadcast
in American, British, and other western media outlets such as CNN and
the BBC. In January 2003, the BBC announced that it had signed an
agreement with Al Jazeera for sharing facilities and information,
including news footage.[15] Al Jazeera is now considered by some to be

a fairly mainstream media network, though more controversial than

most. In the United States as of 2006, video footage from the network
carried by other stations was largely limited to video segments of
hostages.
As of 2007, the Arabic Al Jazeera channel rivals the BBC in worldwide

audiences with an estimated 40 to 50 million viewers.[16] Al Jazeera
English has an estimated reach of around 100 million households.[17]
[edit] Availability
The original Al Jazeera channel is available worldwide through various
satellite and cable systems.[18] In the U.S., it is available through
subscription satellite and Free to Air DVB-S on the Galaxy-25 satellite.
Al Jazeera can also be freely viewed with a DVB-S receiver in Europe,
Northern Africa, and the Middle East as it is broadcast on the Astra and
Hot Bird satellites. In the UK, it is available on Sky platform.
For availability info of the Al Jazeera network's other TV channels, see

their respective articles. Segments of Al Jazeera English are uploaded to
YouTube.[19]
It is also possible to watch Al Jazeera English over the internet from

their official website. The low-resolution version is available free of
charge [2], high-resolution available under subscription fees through
partner sites.
[edit] Staff
The Chairman of Al Jazeera is Sheikh Hamad bin Thamer al-Thani, a
distant cousin of Qatari Emir Sheikh Hamad bin Khalifa al-Thani.
Al Jazeera recently restructured its operations and have formed a

Network that contains all their different channels. Wadah Khanfar, the
managing director of the Arabic Channel was appointed as the Director
General of the Al Jazeera Network. He also acts as the Managing
Director of the Arabic channel. He is supported by Ahmed Sheikh, Editor-
in-Chief, and Amen Jaballah.
The Editor-in-Chief of the Arabic website is Ahmed Sheikh, and the

editorial head is Mohammad Dawood. It has more than one hundred
editorial staff.
The Editor-in-Chief of the English-language site is Russell Merryman,

who took over in August 2005. He replaced Omar Bec who was
caretaking the site after the departure of Managing Editor Alison
Balharry. Previous incumbents include Joanne Tucker and Ahmed
Sheikh.
Prominent on-air personalities include Faisal al-Qassem, host of the talk

show The Opposite Direction.
The chief investigative reporter is Yosri Fouda. He is currently in charge

of Jazeera's London bureau.
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07-23-2008 08:26 PM
duncan I can see why Morrison would hate this international news source, he
Moderator hates free speech and freedom of thought.
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07-23-2008 08:27 PM

duncan Just one more day to go and I will be done with school.
Moderator
After 14 months of school and yet another college degree I want to take
Registered: Jul 2003 the time to thank everyone involved with my success.
Posts: 9017 I want to thank all FBI agents of Denver involved with harassing me at
Laramie County Community College.
I want to thank the Ft. Collins Police Department for initiating a spy file
on me and filling with so much of their bullsh*t that it caused the Jeffco
Sheriff's Department and the FBI to later overreact, which in turn
allowed me to obtain 20K of my tax dollars back and another free
college degree. Thanks Chief Harrison I knew you would come through
for me, you stupid f*cking flat foot.
And for the little people of the Wyoming Homeland Gestapo, the LCCC
Security, and the Cheyenne PD, all losers who did an assist at the
Community College on December 15th 2006, which also aided in my
efforts to obtain another degree.
I'm sorry that Laramie County Sheriff Danny Glick was made a patsy of
by the FBI, but you can blame it all on them and not me.
And last but not least the fat slob who made it all possible, Darren
Morrison.
I have just graduated with an AAS in Gunsmithing. Imagine that? And it

would have never been possible if not for the all the statist p*gs who
have fought so hard to screw me over for the last twenty years.
Unfortunately I cannot tell anyone the name of this school, per the
owners request. All I can say is that it is located some were in Colorado.
It ain't hard to figure it out.
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08-08-2008 05:08 PM
Moderator
Reply to: comm-763585425@craigslist.org
Registered: Jul 2003 Date: 2008-08-03, 4:36AM MDT
Posts: 9017
Why do commies claim to hate nazi's.

They are almost totally alike.
There is only one differance between commies and Nazi's that is Nazi's
are national marxist and commies are global marxist but other than that
they are both marxist and both evil.
Hitler ran Germany by the book and that book was the communist
manafesto. Stalin is the great mass murder the world as ever seen. And
yet there are morons out there that think villians like hitler che Gravera
are cool. I say anyone who think communism can work is not living in
reality. Just like that Dung-can Philp guy and those sharp shinhead
losers.
Location: fort collins

interests
Signed, Darren Morrison
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Hitler's book was the communist manifesto? And libertarians are

communists according to Morrison. I guees a guy like Morriosn probably
has a copy of Mein Kampf in his personal libary, but I doubt if he able to
read it.
You can always tell when Darren is on one of his drinking binges.
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08-12-2008 06:47 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Hitler's book was the communist manifesto? And

libertarians are communists according to
Morrison. I guees a guy like Morriosn probably has
a copy of Mein Kampf in his personal libary, but I
doubt if he able to read it.
You can always tell when Darren is on one of his

drinking binges.
Posts: 5865
It's always a joy, as well as a tedium-breaker, to read your re-

postings of Moronson's verbal vomitus. It serves as a casual, if
unnecessary reminder of why Ameri[k]a is in its death throes.
"It's not getting any smarter out there. You have to come to terms
with stupidity and make it work for you." - Frank Zappa
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08-12-2008 07:10 PM

duncan Darren's crap on griagslist has been removed.

Moderator
Darren spends so much time hating me that has time for little else.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado He was over on Free Republic expressing his hatred for the local
Posts: 9017 copsters and was even seen to be arguing with one of them on this
website over a past arrest in regards to him assaulting another man and
yet here we seem him on the internet calling me a cop hater.
The guys obsessed with getting even with me over the fact that he was
kicked out of the TRT for being a tyrant and lost his a$$ in criminal
court. Morrison more closely resmebles a communist than do most
people as he spent ten years of his worthless life working for CSU aka
Communist State University and even now he draws on a private
pension that was paid for with our tax dollars. University employees do
not pay the SS# tax they are allowed to pay into a private pension fund
that draws interest and at the point they leave or retire from CSU they
can draw on that tax paid for pension fund.
Darren also looks more like a NAZI as he is a nationalist who supports

Bush's corporate state and the theft of natural resources from a foreign
nation.
Here is the definition of Communism and Fascism, just for you Darren.
Communism is were the state owns the means of production i.e. the
state owns the manufacturing plants and oil companies ect... . Fascism
is when the coporations own or control the state i.e Bush is owned and
controled by Exxon and other oil companies. So under these defintions a
person can't be both a communist and a fascist.
Morrison is upset over the fact that as I had I pointed out earlier he
doesn't know the difference between the two and can't make up his
mind if I am either a communist or a nazi. Morrison knows that I am
niether. The fact is when he hates another he rants and raves about
that person being a communist. Everyone Morrison hates is a
communist, according to Morrison all libertarians are homosexuals and
communists and he hates all libertarians. All anarchists are communist
and he hates all anarchists because we refuse to see things his way i.e.
anti-abortion, anti-choice, pro-fed, etc... .
Cannonfodder: In the dictionary you will find a picture of a fool waving

his flag and yelling "I support the troops", when in fact all he is doing is
supporting the corporate state. A useful idiot, as Stalin would have put
it.
liberatarianism; aka individualism that seeks self governance and the

abolition of the state. Other terms would include the word anarchy.
Gee you would have thunk that after spending ten years at CSU the guy
would have taken a few college courses, but then he never made it out
of high school.
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08-13-2008 01:55 PM
duncan Poor little Darren he is still beating his head on craigslist.com.

Moderator
"If you are protesting the DNC... do not get finger prints on the rocks
Registered: Jul 2003 we plan to throw. 9. fire crackers to make the cops think there are gun
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado shots. Duncan Philp zapata105@yahoo.com ...
Posts: 9017
fortcollins.craigslist.org/pol/760003333.html - Similar pages" - darren
morrison
Its gone Darren and it was all done away with in a very short time. I
didn't even need to contact them at craigs they spotted it within
seconds and it was gone. This was hooked doing a google search.
The dumba$$ still hasn't figured out that no matter what he posts about
me or were he posts it everyone knows its him. All they have to do is
google my name and read about Morrison's attempt to have me killed
by the fed.
Happy to see you wasting your time and making me famous in the
process.
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09-04-2008 10:24 PM
duncan The dumba$$ didn't have a clue that I was in Minneapolis protesting the
Moderator RNC and not in Denver protesting DNC.
Registered: Jul 2003 Gotcha fat boy.

Posts: 9017
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09-04-2008 10:28 PM
duncan Roit alertA Commie named Duncan Philp is planing a riot he wants to riun
Moderator the DNC. If you see this guy stop him. call the police and watch him very
cafefully. ...
Registered: Jul 2003 denver.craigslist.org/pol/762463260.html - Similar pages
Posts: 9017 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
The moron posted this on September 8th after the DNC had happened.
This is gone from graigslist.
Yes Darren the cops are watching you very cafefully. The folks at
graigslist caught this one within two minutes after it was posted and then
emailed me right away that it was removed.
http://denver.craigslist.org/pol/762463260.html
Try again dufus and I'm happy to see that you are still obsessed with me
and wasting your time. You lose, I win ..... again.
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duncan http://wyoming.craigslist.org/grp/832366117.html
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Another one bites the dust. Try again dufus and feel free
Registered: Jul 2003 to waste more of your time on little ole me.
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09-18-2008 03:02 PM
duncan http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080922...pr/palin_hacked
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Morrison strikes again. I wondered why I hadn't been
Registered: Jul 2003 getting any emails from the fat slob. He's been busy
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado trying to set up the son of a leading dummycrat.
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09-22-2008 08:58 PM
duncan Darren Morrison, noticed the CCCP red jacket.

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10-14-2008 05:15 PM

duncan I just received an email from a certain FBI guy and it

Moderator looks as if our boy Darren is about to get it in the shorts
again.
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10-26-2008 08:25 PM
duncan Darren is about to get a visit from his favorite FBI guy.
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10-27-2008 08:56 PM
duncan Oh Darren you need to contact agent Schmidt right

Moderator away.
Registered: Jul 2003 I'm hoping that you will try to dodge him and then he
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado will put out a warrant.
Posts: 9017
Ever been to Amarillo Darren? Your trucking company
says that you have.
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11-02-2008 01:48 PM

duncan Jury convicts mom of lesser charges in online hoax

Moderator
Jury May Have Verdict In Myspace Trial CBS 2 / KCAL 9
Registered: Jul 2003 Los Angeles LOS ANGELES – A jury on Wednesday was
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado unable to reach a verdict on the main conspiracy charge
Posts: 9017 and instead convicted a Missouri woman of three minor
offenses for her role in an Internet hoax that apparently
drove a 13-year-old girl to suicide.
The Los Angeles federal court jury rejected felony

charges of accessing a computer without authorization to
inflict emotional distress on young Megan Meier.
However, the jury found defendant Lori Drew guilty of

three counts of the lesser offense of accessing a
computer without authorization. Each count is
punishable by up to one year in prison and a $100,000
fine.
The jurors could not reach a verdict on a conspiracy

count, and U.S. District Court Judge George Wu declared
a mistrial on the charge.
She could have been sentenced to a total of 20 years in

prison if convicted of the four original counts.
Prosecutors said Drew violated the MySpace terms of

service by conspiring with her young daughter and a
business assistant to create a fictitious profile of a teen
boy on the MySpace social networking site to harass
Megan.
Megan, who had been treated for depression, hanged

herself with a belt in her bedroom closet in 2006 after
receiving a message saying the world would be better
without her.
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11-26-2008 05:21 PM
duncan Darren's fat a$$ wife strikes out on her own.

Moderator
Funny isn't how the fed did nothing when Darren had
Registered: Jul 2003 comitted the same crime as this bitch did.
Posts: 9017 Why is that herr Schmit? Ya f8cking piece of sh8t ya.
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11-26-2008 05:24 PM

duncan Leave Vicki out of it.Monday, December 1, 2008 9:24 AM

Moderator From: This sender is DomainKeys verified "Darren
Morrison" <rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com>Add sender to
Registered: Jul 2003 Contacts To: zapata105@yahoo.comYour Beef is with
me you ****sucker. Leave my ex-wife out of your
Posts: 9017
******ed games. You can talk about me all you want
you sorry excuse for a human. My wife left me after I
got in trouble, so lay off her leave her the **** alone. If
i ever see you face to face it will not beat you so bad
nobody will reconize you after wards you are nothing but
a pussy who hides behind his words on the internet. In a
real scrape you could not hold your own. If i go to jail for
beating you it will be worth it. I looked into it and you
really were a memeber of Pete Peters Church. you are a
false Patriot you cop hating **** tard. So leave Vicki
has done nothing to you so stop your **** right now
your fight is with me laeve her out or else.
Darren
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12-01-2008 03:35 PM

duncan You know were I live Darren and any time you feel
Moderator froogy come and see me.
Registered: Jul 2003 Enough with yer BS Morrison you threatened me

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado remember and I did nothing to you or your fat ass cow
Posts: 9017 of a wife.
Stop stalking me on the net and stop emailing me you

fat sack of sh&t.
We will have a BOR Day event in Lovlenad and nothing

will stop us from doing it, not even a ****** like you. I
will devote and entire hour at this event talking about
you and how you didn't have the balls to try and kill me
yourself, but instead tried to get the fed to do it for you
and all because you hate free speech.
Now fat a$$ show us when and were I threantened that

fat cow of yours that you call a wife.
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12-01-2008 03:40 PM

duncan Or else what? The fat ass is gonna pose as me on the

Moderator net again? He's gonna put my emial addy on some
mailing list?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Oh my such a scary little fat man he is. He really showed
Posts: 9017 me when he ended up in court and was found guilty if
harassment and then sentenced to jail for his crimes.
F*ck you and that fat cow. You got her to lie for you in
court and what did it get you stupid?
Believe it or not folks to date I have never met with

Darren face to face or in person. I met this fat p8g only
by way of the net and only as a result of him threatening
to kick my teeth down my throat with my bullhorn. I'm
still waiting you for you to kick my a$$, bet we all know
that a squid you like hasn't got the gonads to take on
this ex-coastie.
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12-01-2008 03:46 PM

duncan Flag this message

Moderator Re: Leave Vicki out of it.
Monday, December 1, 2008 11:33 AM
Registered: Jul 2003 From:
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "duncan philp" <zapata105@yahoo.com>
Posts: 9017
Add sender to Contacts
To:
rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com
Stop your harassment of me and your emails you
cowardly sack of ****.
Who the **** is Vicki? Never met her don't know her.
You're the one who has a beef with me, you're the one
who got arrested for posing as me. If you got a beef
with me fat a$$ then face me like a man and stop hiding
behind yer f*cking PC.
Play all the games you want to fat ass, but it will only
cause you more heartache.
Or else what a$$wipe? I've done nothing to you or your

fat ass wife. Leave me the **** alone scumbag. You
initiated this email with your idol threats of violence,
back it up or knock it off fat boy.
P.S. Use spell check you ignorant ****..
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12-01-2008 04:57 PM
duncan Darren never did tell me what it is that he is talking

Moderator about.
Registered: Jul 2003 Leave Vicki out of what? His beef with me? He brought
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado her to court it to lie for him.
Posts: 9017
The fat cow got up and lied to the judge when she told
the judge that I knew Darren personally and that I had it
in for him. Up until that day I had never me the woman
nor did I even know her name.
But in the end it did her and him little good as the judge
sent him off to jail any way. I got my pay back in court
and saw Darren go to jail, get fined, do one year of
probation and get lots and lots of bad press. I was
vindicated and this issue was over for me or so I
thought, until Darren continued to harass me via the
internet and even sent me mail to my home.
So why would I need to get even since the courts had

done it for me in June of 2007? I also received another
bonus as a direct result of Morrison's attempt to kill me
visa via the fed. On December 15,2006 at LCCC the fed
and Morrison screwed up my vocational program with
Wyoming Voc-Rehab and forced them to issue a new
directive. They instead paid to send me to Gunsmithing
school in Lakewood, Colorado and it cost a grand total of
30K. It doesn't get any better than that folks. Public
vindication and a big fat bonus of 30K to boot and all at
the states expense. An anarchists dream.
Darren wants to get even with me and can't seem to pull

it off so he needs to make it look like I threatened his fat
a$$ wife, but still can't show any one an instance in
which I ever did such a thing.
Tell us Darren what the f*ck are you talking about?
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12-01-2008 05:10 PM
duncan I'll kill you Duncan if you post stuff about my pet cow
Moderator Vicki on these forums Darren
Registered: Jul 2003 I see, so it is ok for fat boy to post crap about my dead
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado father but it not ok to make a joke that really has
Posts: 9017 nothing to do with his fat wife.
You had your chance to face me like a man and you blew
it fat boy.
Vicki must be a real loser to end up with skank like you.

You're pathetic Morrison you have a history of using your
family to get at people you hate.
First it was I cussed right in front of your kid, yet you

can't site the time and place this supposedly occurred.
You knew well in advance that when the TRT has rallies
we all use very colorful language and we often told folks
NOT to bring their children to these events for that very
reason. But some of you folks wanted to exploit your
own children for political reasons, making you and the
others no better than the commie mommies who
exploited children for their political agenda. The fact is
Morrison I never saw you at any of our TRT protests.
You even posted on our TRT forum that you have
dyslexia and as such you were never able to attend a

TRT rally held outside of Ft. Collins and even when we

staged a protest in Ft. Collins you were never there.
Strike one for you ace.
The you compounded your lie by cliaming that I cussed

right at your kid. Now why would I cuss at a kid who
was on the TRT side of the protest line? I never even
cussed at the children who were made to stand with
their gun grabbing parents so why would I pick on your
little ******s? Again you could never site a time and
place that this all supposedly occurred. You were hiding
behind your two little ******s in order to silence me.
The you made your lie even worse by claiming that I

threatened to kill your little ******s. Your the one who
got arrested for assaulting that fellow and the guy you
assaulted was never arrested for threatening your two
little ******s, as you had claimed when the cops
arrested you.
Which begs the question as to why you did this? You got
busted on the TRT forum for threatening me with
violence and then when we scorned and ignored you it
caused you to go ballistic.
I also find it interesting that you are quoting Morris Dees

of the Southern Poverty Law center as your source that I
was a member of LaPorte Chruch of Christ. Dees is a
communist and a self professed gun control freak who
publicly stated that he will do everything in his power to
destroy the NRA and gun rights. Dees offers no proof
that I was ever a member of that church and he offers
no source for this incredible lie. What this tells me is that
you are in league with the gun grabbers to take down
this "prominent gun rights activist", you are a plant sent
to destroy the TRT.
Nothing changes the fact that your wife Vicki Morrison is

still just as much a fat a$$ as she ever was.
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12-02-2008 05:08 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
leave my ex-wife out of your
******ed games. You can talk
about me all you want you sorry
excuse for a human. My wife left me
after I got in trouble, so lay off her
leave her the **** alone.

Location: Tucson, AZ Apparently even a retardette like (the soon to be
Posts: 5865 former?) Mrs. Morrison has occasional flashes of
common sense and good taste.
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that too.
12-02-2008 06:00 PM
duncan Can you see his pattern of how he uses his family
Moderator members?
Registered: Jul 2003 Did I threaten the cow anywhere on this forum? Nope
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado and so why does he threaten me with violence for
Posts: 9017 posting a joke. Mrs. Morrison could be his fat a$$
mother or aunt. I never posted the name of his wife.
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12-06-2008 07:13 PM

duncan Ode to Fat Vicki

Moderator
Whoa, Fat Vicki (bam-A-lam)

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Yeah, Fat Vicki (bam-A-lam)
Posts: 9017
Fat Vicki had a darren (bam-A-lam)
The damn thing gone wild (bam-A-lam)
She's always ready (bam-A-lam)
She's so rock steady (bam-A-lam)
Whoa, Fat Vicki (bam-BA-lam)
Yeah, Fat Vicki (bam-BA-lam)
She really gets him high (bam-BA-lam)
You know that's no lie (bam-BA-lam)
She's always ready (bam-BA-lam)
She's so rock steady (bam-BA-lam)
Yeah
Oh yeah
All right
Oh yeah
All right
Oh yeah
All right
Oh yeah
Oh yeah

She's from birmingham (bam-BA-lam)
Way down in alabam' (bam-BA-la)
Fat Vicki had a darren (bam-BA-lam)
The damn thing gone blind (bam-BA-lam)
Yeah, Fat Vicki BAM-BA-LAM
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12-12-2008 02:07 PM

duncan What happend to ya Darren? Your old pal Tom wanted to

Moderator see you.
Registered: Jul 2003 I thought you wanted to face me and kick my a$$? You
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado had your chance to see me at the BOR event in Loveland
Posts: 9017 and kick my a$$.
All talk, all fat with no muscle to back it up.
Whoa fat Vicki.
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12-14-2008 04:43 PM

duncan Darren lied, he and his wife Fat Vicki are still married to
Moderator one another and who else would have either one of
them?
Posts: 9017
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12-22-2008 02:51 PM
duncan From:
Moderator "Darren Morrison" <rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com>
Registered: Jul 2003 To:
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado zapata105@yahoo.com
Posts: 9017
I will stop harrassing you when you stop your death
threats to me and my ex-wife. I will stop send you
emails when you take my numbers of your website.. You
are the one who is harrassing me you ****tard.
I moved you do not know were. The FBI has no interest

in me nor have I giving them reason too. You are the
one who likes to mail powder to people. To start your
lame revolution that will never happen, np body is
intersted in your gay agenda.
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duncan "I will stop harrassing you when you stop your death
Moderator threats to me and my
ex-wife."
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado When and were did these death threats occur? Site time
Posts: 9017 and dates to support your lie about me.
If you are receiving death threats then why have you
refused to contact the local police?
"I will stop send you emails when you take my numbers
of your website.."
What website? I have no website. What numbers? I have

no numbers. Why is it you refuse to post a link to
support your lies?
This is what known as blackmail ya stupid f*ck.
"You are the one who is harrassing me you ****tard."
Really? Then why you the one arrested and convicted of

the crime of harassment and not me? Why were you the
one who went to prison and not me? If you are being
harassed then why have you refused to call the local
police?
"I moved you do not know were."
No you havent you still live at the same address. More

proof that you are an incredible liar.
" The FBI has no interest in me nor have I giving them

reason too."
Your emial to Tom Mauser gave them reason to be

interested in you and yes moron Schmit must see you at
once. The FBI arrested you and not me for the crime of
harrasement.
" You are the one who likes to mail powder to people."
I do? When did I do this?
"To start your lame revolution that will never happen, np

body is intersted in your gay agenda."
Revolution? Gay agenda? The tripe of a drunk who took

his last drink for the evening.

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12-23-2008 02:55 PM
duncan Re: Leave Vicki out of it.

Moderator Tuesday, December 23, 2008 6:11 AM
From:
Registered: Jul 2003 This sender is DomainKeys verified
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "Darren Morrison" <rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com>
Posts: 9017
To:
zapata105@yahoo.com
No the FBI has no interest in me. You are the one whop
is bragging about sending power to bankers you ******.
You are tring to start a revaltion that will never happen
you ******.
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12-23-2008 02:56 PM
duncan You have herr Schmit's number so call him and ask him
Moderator why he needs to see you.
Registered: Jul 2003 When was the last time you were in Texas Darren?
Posts: 9017 What's a revaltion? Is anything like a revelation?
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12-23-2008 02:58 PM

duncan I know Bam A Lam is in referrance to a gun shot. So

Moderator now you are treat'n to shot her. You are a liar. I have
not posted anything about you on craiglist or any were
Registered: Jul 2003 else. It is fun how every time some one disagrees with
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado you, you acuse them of being you. Plus the FBI was
Posts: 9017
never interested in talking to me, they are after you for
some thing you did to some banker some were. I have
not been to Amarillo in at least 4 years dumbass. I live
some were you do not know. I work some were you do
not know. Let me give you some advise do not treaten
me or anyone with a gun or make referance to there
deaths. You will lose and end up in jail for much longer
than I ever have. You know that Bam a Lam is a death
threat so cut it out.
Your worse nightmare.
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12-23-2008 02:59 PM

duncan "I know Bam A Lam is in referrance to a gun shot."

Moderator
It is? Show us how this is darren. When and were did I
Registered: Jul 2003 send the words Bam a Lam to you or your wife?
Posts: 9017 "So now you are treat'n to shot her."
I did? When and were have I doen this? Why are your
refusing to rewport this imagined crime to your cop pals
with the FCPD?
" You are a liar."
I know you are and you keep proving it over and over
agian.
"I have not posted anything about you on craiglist or

any were else."
Yes you did.
" It is fun how every time some one disagrees with you,
you acuse them of being you."
You were the one who got arrested for pretending to be

me. How does one accuse another of being himself?
Only a drunk would pose such a thought.
"Plus the FBI was never interested in talking to me, they

are after you for some thing you did to some banker
some were."
The FBI arrested you Darren and not me. They want to
know if you sent those letters. I have not been arrested
for sending any letters and your refusal to speak with
them might indicate that you sent those letters.
"I have not been to Amarillo in at least 4 years

dumbass."
So you say. Can you prove this claim.
" I live some were you do not know. I work some were
you do not know."
If you live and work at places that I am unaware of then

how could I possible have threatened you and Fat Vicki?
Gottcha there stupid.

"Let me give you some advise do not treaten me or

anyone with a gun or make referance to there deaths."
Let me give you some adivce. Use spell check, don't

email Tom Mauser any more death threats and don't
pretend to be me on the net.
"You will lose and end up in jail for much longer than I
ever have. You know that Bam a Lam is a death threat
so cut it out."
If you don not heed my advice you end up in jail ...

again.
How is Bam a Lam a death threat and if it is a death

threat, then why do you refuse to go to the police?
"Your worse nightmare."
You are your own worst nightmare.
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12-23-2008 03:08 PM

duncan Ode to Fat Vicki

Moderator
Whoa, Fat Vicki (bam-A-lam)
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Yeah, Fat Vicki (bam-A-lam)
Posts: 9017
Fat Vicki had a darren (bam-A-lam)
The damn thing gone wild (bam-A-lam)
She's always ready (bam-A-lam)
She's so rock steady (bam-A-lam)
She really gets him high (bam-BA-lam)
You know that's no lie (bam-BA-lam)
She's always ready (bam-BA-lam)
She's so rock steady (bam-BA-lam)
Yeah
Oh yeah
All right
Oh yeah
All right
Oh yeah
All right
Oh yeah
Oh yeah

She's from birmingham (bam-BA-lam)
Way down in alabam' (bam-BA-la)
Fat Vicki had a darren (bam-BA-lam)
The damn thing gone blind (bam-BA-lam)
Yeah, Fat Vicki BAM-BA-LAM
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12-23-2008 03:20 PM

duncan Does anyone see the name Victoria Morrison in that

Moderator revision of the song known as "Oh Black Betty"?
Registered: Jul 2003 Does anyone see a death threat posted towards
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Morrison's wife any where on this or any other forum?
Posts: 9017 Not counting of course the posts made by Morrison in
which he pretends to be me.
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12-23-2008 03:24 PM
duncan From: This sender is DomainKeys verified "Darren

Moderator Morrison" <rmrattlesnake@yahoo.com>Add sender to
Contacts To: zapata105@yahoo.comHey freak show
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Leave me alone stop harraassing me. I am not gay like
Posts: 9017
you so no I will not have sex with you faggot. You have
traten to kill me several times before and you know it
and you have treatened my ex-wife. Lucky for me the
FBI did me a favor so now I live some were that you can
not find out about and you can not find out my job or
anything about me you homosexual friutcake.
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12-26-2008 07:27 PM
duncan The drunken behavoir continues.

Moderator
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12-26-2008 07:28 PM
duncan Darren Morrison's Virtual Aggression

Moderator Gun activists take their fire fight online.
By Alan Prendergast
Registered: Jul 2003 Published on June 06, 2007 at 12:17pm
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado It takes all kinds, this argument over guns in America.
Posts: 9017
Patriots and paranoids, cranks and constitutionalists,
handwringers and Huns, they all step up to the plate
sooner or later. The debate is rarely polite, often
incoherent and generally clouded by suspicion, fear and
rancor.
Subject(s):
Columbine, Darren Morrison, Duncan Philp, Tom
MauserBut it takes something special to reach the kind
of bizarre denouement that played out in a Jefferson
County courtroom last week, when a gun activist
admitted to e-mailing death threats to a Columbine
parent in the name of another gun activist — because,
see, he believed his life had been threatened by the
other activist, and he wanted to see the man arrested.
Makes sense? No? Then you haven't met Darren

Morrison.
Morrison, 44, is a Navy veteran and was, until recently,

a custodian at Colorado State University. He ran
unsuccessfully for Angie Paccione's seat in the state
legislature last year as a self-proclaimed independent,
pro-gun, anti-immigration, anti-abortion, born-again
Christian. An additional preoccupation, not listed in his
campaign biography, appears to be Duncan Philp.
Philp, a prominent gun-rights advocate who lives in

Wyoming, posts frequently on Tyranny Response Team
(www.trtnational.com) and has been a fixture at antiwar
and Second Amendment rights rallies in Fort Collins.
Morrison claims that Philp is a "hate monger" and has
shouted unpleasant things at him at protests through a
megaphone. He thinks he's seen Philp's car idling
outside his home. When Morrison was banned from
posting on the TRT forum a few months ago, Philp
suggested adding Morrison to a list of deceased
members: "Poor Darren we knew him well," he wrote.
Morrison regarded the jibe as a death threat.
Philp denies ever threatening Morrison. "I don't have the

time to drive seventy miles to stalk this guy," he says.

"He was sending me all kinds of e-mails taunting me. We
were never friends. He found out that a lot of the
Tyranny Response Team members are anarchist
libertarians, and he equates that with communists."
Last December as the feud heated up, a series of

ominous e-mails went out to law enforcement, a local
gun group and others, ostensibly from Philp, boasting of
his prowess with a .50-caliber handgun. The most
disturbing ones came to the inbox of Tom Mauser, who's
become an outspoken advocate of tougher gun laws
since his son, Daniel, was slain in the 1999 attack on
Columbine High School. Philp was involved in a protest
outside Mauser's home in 2001 and collected $20,000 in
a lawsuit over police harassment stemming from the
incident ("Deeper Into Columbine," October 31, 2002).
"I have a laser site on my 50 cal as well as a home

made silencer," one typo-riddled missive read. "I have
spotted planes fling into DIA. I could easly shoot one
down so do not take any trips for a while."
Mauser was understandably alarmed. "I get this stuff a

lot, but this one really did cross the line," he says. He
contacted the authorities.
The threat came to the attention of the director of the

FBI, and the Denver airport went to a heightened state
of security for a brief time. A few days later, in a parking
lot on the campus of a Cheyenne community college
where he was taking classes, Philp was confronted by six
sheriff's deputies, three FBI agents and four campus
security guards. Some of the officers had guns drawn,
Philp says, leading to a shouting match between him and
the federal agents.
"I just got fed up with this nonsense," he says. "I've put
up with it for fifteen years."
Questioned about the e-mails, Philp admitted some

familiarity with .50-caliber weaponry — enough to know
that shooting down an airplane with a handgun isn't an
option. He pointed out that the atrocious spelling and
grammar were similar to that found in messages he'd
received from Morrison. In online postings, Morrison has
acknowledged having dyslexia; he's also written of the
"rabid" growth of the TRT and to receiving "treats," not

threats, from Philp.
Morrison later admitted to a reporter from CSU's Rocky

Mountain Collegian that he'd sent the e-mails. He wrote
a letter of apology to Mauser and pleaded guilty to a
misdemeanor charge of harassment. At Morrison's
sentencing two weeks ago, Mauser testified about the
strain the threats caused to his family during the
Christmas season.
"My wife was very disturbed," he said. "He's playing with

people's lives. Mr. Philp has engaged in some unsavory
activities toward me over the years, but he didn't
deserve to be targeted like this, either."
A tearful Morrison apologized again while insisting that

he had reason to fear Philp. "I wasn't sure he wasn't
fight...What I did was inexcusable. I beat myself up all
the time for what I did...I've never done anything like
Philp suspects that Morrison is behind other threatening

e-mails he's received in recent months, a charge
Morrison has denied. Philp wanted the judge to order
some jail time as well as a psychological evaluation.
"He's cost the system an awful lot of money," he said.
Jefferson County Judge Judy Archuleta slapped Morrison

with a year's probation, five days in jail and a ban on
any future communication, electronic or otherwise, with
the Mauser family. "It sounds like everybody's running
scared of each other," she said.
After the hearing, Mauser expressed surprise that the

judge didn't ban Morrison from using the Internet
altogether. "The message has to get out that you can't
do this kind of thing without consequences," he said.
"One of the lessons we learned from Columbine is that
people who commit violence often signal their violence
first."
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12-26-2008 07:46 PM
duncan A tearful Morrison apologized again while insisting that

Moderator he had reason to fear Philp. "I wasn't sure he wasn't
Registered: Jul 2003 fight...What I did was inexcusable. I beat myself up all
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado the time for what I did...I've never done anything like
Posts: 9017
Armed with only an IQ of 50 and a bottle of Mad Dog

20/20 its wonder he can think at all.
I'm sorry, I'm a dumba$$ who hates anarchists. I was

tyring to kill Duncan cause I hate his anarchists guts.
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12-26-2008 07:49 PM
duncan Fat Vicky strikes again.

Moderator
Registered: Jul 2003 A 53-year-old Denver woman was sentenced Thursday

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado to three years of supervised probation for calling
Posts: 9017 Southwest Airlines and falsely reporting that her
husband had a bomb on board a plane.
Terrice Gay Hutchinson also was ordered by U.S. District

Judge Robert E. Blackburn not to drink alcohol while on
probation.
Authorities said Hutchinson called Southwest on April 17

to say her husband, who was booked on a Denver to Las
Vegas flight, was planning to blow up the airplane.
The FBI investigation of the threat did not interfere with

the flight.
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01-17-2009 10:51 PM
duncan http://www.strike-the-root.com/cgi-....pl#general_cat
Moderator
Check it Morrison. Those mean old anarchists are talking
Registered: Jul 2003 about you.
Posts: 9017
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02-07-2009 09:30 PM

duncan Whoa fat Vicki

Moderator
Attachment: duncans pic for photo edited.jpg

Posts: 9017
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04-14-2009 11:02 PM
duncan And Darren tells everyone that fat Vicki is thin and
Moderator petite. Does that fat woman on Darren's right look thin
to you?
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado I told you all that Vicki is fat.
Posts: 9017
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04-14-2009 11:03 PM
duncan Morrison has finally been nabbed ... again.

Moderator
Man jailed in sting prompted by Craigslist post
Registered: Jul 2003 The Associated Press
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Posted: 05/27/2009 11:14:29 AM MDT
Posts: 9017 Updated: 05/27/2009 08:37:08 PM MDT
CASTLE ROCK, Colo.—Douglas County deputies have

arrested a man on child-sex charges after a sting
prompted by a posting on Craigslist.
Deputies said Wednesday the man was jailed on

suspicion of Internet sexual exploitation of a child and
Internet luring of a child.
Authorities say a detective posing as an underage girl

exchanged Internet messages with a man who wrote a
Craigslist posting that said, "Older guy looking for a
young teen girl-28."
Deputies say they arrested 28-year-old Boris Jan De

Lemos of Littleton at a location where the purported girl
was supposed to be waiting.
De Lemos is being held in the Douglas County jail in lieu

of $50,000 bond.
No phone listing could be found for De Lemos and it was

unclear if he had an attorney.
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05-28-2009 02:48 PM
duncan Morrison pic and story have been posted on our

Moderator wyomingtrt.com website for all to see. He was placed on
our 'triators' list.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Our webmaster is a former marine and we all know how
Posts: 9017 much Morrison hates us veterans.
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05-28-2009 02:49 PM
duncan A prison mug shot of our boy Darren.

Moderator
http://www.123people.co.uk/ext/frm?...
Registered: Jul 2003 mage&wrt_id=231
Posts: 9017 Re: Activist Sentenced for Threats Made Against
Columbine Father
An admitted gun rights activist was sentenced today to

one year supervised probation, five days in the county
jail and 60 hours community service for making threats
towards the father of one of the students killed at
Columbine High School.
Darren Michael Morrison, DOB: 8-12-62, of Fort Collins,

had never met Tom Mauser in December 2006 when he
sent email threats to kill him. Morrison also threatened
to shoot down an airplane which brought the FBI into the
investigation and resulted in a decrease in activity at the
Denver International Airport at the time. The threats
were by Morrison using the name of another man with
whom he had a grievance.
Duncan Philps was the name Morrison used in

threatening Mauser. Philps is another gun rights activist.
Prosecutors told the court that Morrison made the
threats specifically to get Philps in trouble with federal
authorities, disregarding the impact on Mauser and his
family.
The threats were made by email and Internet postings

made from the Colorado State University Campus.
Morrison pled guilty to Harassment on May 1, 2007. He

was remanded into the custody of the Jefferson County
Sheriff.
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08-25-2009 07:06 PM
duncan This story came off of a British website and it looks like
Moderator Darren has been placed on their no-entry list. No more
trips to Scotland for you fat boy. As for me the entire
Registered: Jul 2003 nations of Scotland and Cornwall shall honor my
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado appearance.
Posts: 9017
Poor Darren we knew him well, all too well.
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08-25-2009 07:13 PM
duncan He looks so cute in his little orange jump suit.

Moderator
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Posts: 9017
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duncan 300 Starway st. Ft. Collins, Colorado

Moderator
Ummm and this google maps is a very interesting search
Registered: Jul 2003 feature.
Posts: 9017 On the corner of Starway st. and Neptune st. one can
see fat boy sitting in his old white Ford pickup truck
drinking a beer. The guy has four cars in his driveway,
one of which appears to be junked out. This of course
would be in violation of county ordinances. I shall have
to do my civic duty and report this crime.
I can even peek into his living room window. Peek a boo
I see you.
Yer a real f*cking slob Morrison, get off yer fat a$$ and
mow the grass. Get those trash cans back into your
garage and trim the bushes fat boy. Hop to it.
You should be ashamed Morrison.
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&tab=wl
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04-01-2010 06:33 PM
duncan I'm sure the presence of Morrison in the neighborhood

Moderator has dropped property values. The guy across the street
keeps his sh8t nice a neat.
Posts: 9017
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duncan Murder in Cheyenne, again.

Moderator
http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/
mor...06572&arch=true
Posts: 9017
Police kill suspect
Joshua Rogers, 20, was fatally shot on Friday
By Juliette Rule
rep9@wyomingnews.com
Published in the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle
CHEYENNE - Shots were fired from police service pistols

and a young man's life was lost here Friday night.
It happened in a neighborhood northwest of U.S.

Highway 30 east of town that is speckled with new home
construction and aged established homes.
That's the neighborhood 20-year-old Joshua Rogers

called home. And it's the neighborhood to which
seasoned Cheyenne police officers Heber Edwards and
James Peterson were called about 9:15 p.m. Friday.
The chaos converged at Charles Street and Fillmore

Avenue after calls to dispatchers reported a domestic
disturbance. Shots were fired into Rogers' SUV, fatally
injuring him, deputy police chief Bill Stanford said.
Twenty hours after the shooting, which killed Rogers

instantly, details were slim as high-ranking police
officers and Wyoming Division of Investigation agents
continued putting together the pieces.
It's unknown which officer fired the fatal shot or shots,

and it's unclear how many rounds were fired. But it
seems Rogers was unarmed, Stanford said from the
south Cheyenne substation shortly after leading one of
several staff briefings.
According to Stanford, both officers fired into the SUV,

where Rogers was seated alone. That he remained inside
the large vehicle might have been the threat to officers,
Stanford said. A car "can be very deadly," he added,
though he said it is unclear if the SUV was aiming for
either one or both of the officers or even if it was
running.

It all happened as onlookers watched, but just how

many spectators were present isn't clear.
Among that small group was Rogers' former girlfriend. It

was she who made the second of two calls to
dispatchers, apparently from her cell phone as the young
man followed her in his car, Stanford said.
The relationship long had been over, but the troubles

spilled into the Rogers' family home Friday night. The
first call to police originated from that Rawlins Street
address, Stanford said.
As the two apparently were coming out of that family

home, Rogers apparently followed the woman. Stanford
said he did not know her name.
"It comes together at Charles and Fillmore," he said.

"We still don't know exactly what happened. We're still
interviewing."
The Rogers' address is two blocks north and six or so

blocks west of the intersection, part of which is now
covered by a pool of blood.
Some of those within eye- and earshot said officers

called over a loudspeaker, asking Rogers to stop his SUV
as he headed west on Charles Street. He did so, but
within 10 minutes, and with Rogers still in the car
seemingly not heeding other directions, officers drew
their pistols. By then, eight police cars were on the
scene.
That's what Aaron Johnson said he saw from his in-laws'

Charles Street stoop.
By 9:45 p.m., Rogers was laying on the street with

paramedics over him. Fewer than two hours later, DCI
agents were knocking on Dee Dee and Kim Rapp's front
door asking if they heard or saw anything. They said
they shared what they knew as did their son-in-law
Johnson.
Other neighbors said doorbells pressed by agents with

badges awakened them from quiet slumber - something
that's far more common than trouble in that
development, they sad.

For the most part, those interviews are being managed

by DCI agents and include talking with neighbors,
Rogers' family and the many officers involved, Stanford
said.
It's standard police procedure to send two officers to

domestic disputes - regardless of whether that's physical
or verbal - in the interest of keeping the victim and
suspect safely separated.
That's why both officers were dispatched, but after the

"several" shots were fired as many as 11 officers,
including the patrol sergeant, a recruit and a reserve
officer with arrest powers, responded to the scene,
Stanford said.
The disagreement between Rogers and the woman,

which Stanford said didn't warrant characterization as a
confrontation, was ongoing and was rolling, meaning it
was happening as he allegedly followed the car she was
driving.
Stanford said he doesn't know if the problem between

the pair became physical in the hours or days before the
shooting. He added that he doesn't believe there was a
restraining order in place barring contact between them.
Rogers' name wasn't unknown to police, Stanford said,

but he added that could mean anything from criminal
investigations to barking dog complaints.
Rogers' parents are married and living in the same

house, Stanford said, but a telephone listing couldn't be
found for them.
Investigators now are waiting for a report from the

autopsy, a process that was begun Saturday. A
preliminary report on how many shots were inflicted on
Rogers and exactly where they hit is likely days away.
The complete autopsy report could take weeks.
As is always the case for deaths involving law

enforcement, police procedure here requires handing the
investigation over to DCI, Stanford said.
For now, both Edwards and Peterson are on paid

administrative leave. Stanford said he will know more

inside of the week, though it isn't clear if that's enough

time for DCI to determine whether the force used to
take Rogers' life was justified.
With that determination is made, District Attorney Jon

Forwood will be asked to review the case. His office will
determine whether criminal charges should be pursued
against the officers, Wyoming Attorney General Pat
Crank said.
If cleared, the officers will be welcomed back to the

department after a psychological evaluation to
determine if they're fit for duty, Stanford explained.
As for reactions from Peterson and Edwards Friday night,

the deputy chief said both were professional in
answering questions.
Edwards has been with the department since 1999;

Peterson since 1998.
"Both are very professional," Stanford said. "There have

been no signs of (personnel) problems with either of
them."
Stanford said he is keenly aware of the loss for the

Rogers' family, though he didn't break that heart-
wrenching news to them himself. That was done by
Laramie County Coroner Bill Ryan.
Stanford also said he is aware that shootings place

stress on officers that seems to ripple through the
department and the community.
"People will ask questions," he said. "Sometimes that

will be positive, sometimes not."
It has been a long time since the department has been

faced with those tough questions. The last fatal shooting
involving Cheyenne police was in 1983, just before
Stanford took a post here, he said.
Questions about use of force have come more recently

to Laramie County sheriff's deputies and Wyoming
Highway Patrol troopers.
In late October 2003, deputy Phillip Raybuck fired a

single shot into an airman who refused to lay down a
knife he was using to threaten his new wife. DCI ruled

the force was justified under the circumstances.
In December 2002, a Colorado man died of asphyxiation

while under arrest by troopers John Broad and Phil
Farman in the median of Interstate 25. That case is
being litigated in federal court after the victim's brother
filed a wrongful death suit.
As for this officer-involved shooting, Stanford said more

information would be shared as it became available.
Michelle Dynes, WTE general assignment reporter,

contributed to this story.
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01-12-2006 10:12 AM

duncan This is one dirty f&cking police department and boy have
Moderator these f*cking scumbags pissed me off.
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01-12-2006 10:13 AM
duncan News Story Published On 11/29/2005

Moderator
Family speaks out on shooting
Registered: Jul 2003 Victim's relatives accuse police of bad judgment,
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado insensitivity
Posts: 9017
By Juliette Rule
CHEYENNE - Devastated.
That's the word Gary Rogers uses to describe his

family's grief.
Inexcusable error in judgment.
That's the phrase he uses to describe police officers'

decision to fire service pistols into his nephew's car here
Friday night.

Joshua Rogers, 20, died in the 4400 block of Charles

Street about 9:15 p.m. Friday when officers Heber
Edwards and James Peterson fired.
It's not clear which officer fired the fatal shots, and
police aren't saying how many rounds were fired. Both
are on administrative leave with pay pending the
outcome of a Wyoming Division of Criminal Investigation
inquiry.
Peterson and Edwards were responding to the

neighborhood on reports of a "rolling domestic." They
were following Rogers, who was trailing the mother of
his 4-year-old son.
Rogers and the woman were in the middle of a

disagreement over court-ordered visitation, which
granted the holiday weekend to Rogers, police reports
and court records show.
Rogers never got out of his car to meet police, though

he was shot to death just blocks from the family home.
According to Gary Rogers, the car was stopped, and the

engine was turned off. Neighbors said Joshua Rogers'
SUV had pulled over to the left side of the street.
Today, Joshua Rogers' family is remembering him as a

constant companion to his father, Terry Rogers.
The senior Rogers recently completed rounds of

chemotherapy and is in frail health battling a disease
similar to leukemia, Gary Rogers said in an e-mail from
his home in Modesto, Calif., Sunday evening.
The weight of an illness coupled with the unbearable

news about their son won't help matters for the family,
he added.
On Monday investigators offered nothing new about the

investigation, which is now in the hands of DCI.
Director Kurt Dobbs didn't return a call late Friday

afternoon, but Cheyenne Police Chief Bob Fecht and DCI
are planning a news conference today.
That might not be the only story told to reporters today.

Gary Rogers said his family would like their story about
insensitive police work to be heard.
He said Laramie County Coroner Bill Ryan told the family

a representative of Cheyenne police would speak with
them Friday night about their son's death. They waited;
no one ever came.
Terry Rogers, his wife, Brenda, and their son Jeremiah

had to read about the shooting in the newspaper, Gary
Rogers said.
On Monday, the family was in agreement with one

element of the story as police have told it.
Gary Rogers said his nephew was following the small

child's mother. Police call that a rolling domestic, which
had been reported by two calls to dispatchers that
evening.
He surmises Joshua Rogers was getting out of the car

when police began firing.
That's the sort of thing his helpful nephew would do, he

said. But police training manuals teach that scenario is
dangerous to officers who can't know what to expect
next.
The young man quit high school and earned his GED so
he could support his son, Gary Rogers said. He added
that Joshua Rogers was nearing completion of a pre-
nursing degree at Laramie County Community College.
According to documents gained by the WTE, before he

plotted coursework for a career in nursing, Joshua
Rogers had some contact with police.
That included a charge of battery in 2002 and

possession of either drugs, alcohol or both in 2002-03.
It's not clear from a cursory view of Circuit Court records

- the complete files weren't available Monday from the
archives - how those cases were adjudicated. No
charges had been filed against him this year or last.
Those troubles apparently became an issue at a custody

hearing in November 2003.
In an order in the wake of that hearing, a court

commissioner ruled that in light of "stability issues (and)

drug and alcohol use, certain restrictions of (Rogers')
visitation are appropriate at this time."
That allowed the child's mother, a 2003 senior who was

on the honor roll at Cheyenne's East High, Kenzie
Marquardt, to request a drug test and allowed her much
control over visitation.
She was granted primary custody, and any visitation

Rogers had with their son had to be supervised in the
last months of 2003. She could supervise it or ask
someone else to do so, the court record shows.
In January 2004, the court commissioner, by the same

order, allowed more holiday visitation. Supervised
visitation was lifted as well.
For this Thanksgiving holiday, Rogers was to have the

boy from 6 p.m. the day school closed until 6 p.m.
Sunday.
That order, as do most court-ordered visitation

agreements, allows the parents to work out alternatives
when the standard visitation won't work for some reason.
Gary Rogers said Marquardt was in violation of that

order Friday evening, and his nephew was rightfully
upset. The issue had been spurred days before as
Joshua Rogers made an effort to pick up his son, he said.
The telephone went unanswered at the house of

Marquardt's parents Monday. There was no listing for
Kenzie Marquardt.
Police say the dispute began at the Rogers' Rawlins

Street home Friday night. The call from that home was
one of two made to dispatchers. The second call was
made by Marquardt from her cell phone, police said.
Officials didn't share tapes of those calls when the WTE

requested them Monday. But Attorney General Pat
Crank, who oversees DCI, said he might release them
when the investigation is complete and if the officers
aren't pursued criminally.
According to state law, 911 calls are not public and do

not have to be released. At the same time, there is

nothing preventing agencies from releasing them
Gary Rogers says the people his family relied on for help
failed miserably.
"The police not only failed when they killed an unarmed

person but also failed miserably in any attempt to treat
his family with any dignity or respect," he wrote.
Brenda Rogers answered the phone at her home Monday

evening, but she referred questions to the family's
Casper lawyer.
Attorney Frank Chapman said his office is conducting an

independent investigation.
"The police haven't been forthcoming about what

happened," Chapman said, declining to say anything
more for publication.
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01-12-2006 10:15 AM

duncan A 20-year-old is dead. Questions remain. Was force

Moderator justified? Police respond
Deadly force justified police chief says
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado By Juliette Rule
Posts: 9017 rep9@wyomingnews.com
CHEYENNE - The deadly force used to kill Joshua Rogers

was justified, Police Chief Bob Fecht says.
While investigators have said little about events since

they unfolded last Friday night after officers responded
to a domestic disturbance call, Fecht offered much more
at a news conference here Tuesday.
Meanwhile, the family's attorney declined to respond to

the chief's assertion that deadly force was appropriate.
Rogers, 20, was shot to death when officers responded

to Charles Street and Fillmore Avenue just north of
Sunnyside Baptist Church on the city's east side. Rogers'
uncle has said his nephew was in the midst of a custody
disagreement; Fecht wouldn't comment on that.
Also at the gathering at the police department, officials

declined to answer questions about the number of shots
fired, where Rogers was fatally injured or which police
officer fired the fatal shot.
Fecht said he didn't know yet or wasn't able to release

that information because the Wyoming Division of
Criminal Investigation is investigating.
But he gave the police perspective on the series of

events that happened in two phases over a period of
about six minutes.
"It was very, very rapid," Fecht said.
It began about 9:15 p.m. when an emotional Kenzie

Marquardt, Rogers' ex-girlfriend and the mother of their
4-year-old son, called 911, Fecht said.
Marquardt said she was fleeing Rogers, and she told

dispatchers he had a knife.
They were just blocks from the home Rogers lived in

with his parents, Terry and Brenda Rogers, on Rawlins

Street. That's where the dispute over child visitation
began, police said.
Fecht said Rogers followed Marquardt out of the home.

She got into a car with another woman and the child.
Fecht didn't share the other woman's name or identify
who was driving.
Rogers got behind the wheel of his SUV.
On Saturday, deputy chief Bill Stanford characterized the

interaction as "following," but four days after the
shooting, Fecht said it was a low-speed chase as Rogers
jockeyed with Marquardt's vehicle for position on
Fillmore Avenue.
When officer James Peterson arrived at the gravel

intersection 29 seconds later, Rogers' SUV was pointed
west, blocking Marquardt's southbound path on Fillmore
Avenue.
Fecht described what followed next:
Peterson parked almost parallel to Rogers and

approached the SUV. Rogers wasn't cooperative.
The women in the car blocked by Rogers were yelling

"That's him, that's the guy," and motioning at Rogers'
SUV.
Peterson calmed Rogers. Then believing Rogers might

have a knife, Peterson got one handcuff on the young
man, who didn't get out of the SUV.
With a handcuff on, Rogers became "extremely

combative and resistive."
(He wasn't under arrest, as the use of handcuffs implies,

but he was going to be held in "investigative detention,"
Fecht later said in a phone interview. That was "because
we thought he had a knife and we needed to secure
him," he added.)
Things didn't go as Peterson planned, and Rogers started

the engine again. That was two minutes and 23 seconds
after he met the young man.
Thirty seconds after that, a second call came in to

dispatchers.
It, too, came from a cell phone, but the voice on the line
was Rogers' brother, Jeremiah. He told dispatchers he
was worried about his brother and wanted help finding
him. That was just two minutes before Rogers was shot.
With the SUV started, Rogers had three options in terms

of direction. He could turn north on Fillmore Avenue,
driving around Marquardt's car. He could turn around
and head east on Charles Street.
But Rogers decided to put the SUV in reverse, and he

backed up a little, then he put it in drive and headed
west on Charles Street. As the SUV began to move,
Peterson fired one round into the rear tire and fell or
leaped out of the way, Fecht said.
That happened just as officer Heber Edwards arrived on

the scene, stopping on Charles Street west of the
Fillmore Avenue intersection.
From his cruiser, Edwards heard the shot fired and saw
Peterson fall away from the SUV, which wasn't
responding to commands to stop.
(Neighbors also told the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle that

they heard those shouted orders which the driver did not
heed.)
It's not clear if Edwards thought his fellow officer had

been shot, but he found himself in the path of the SUV.
As the SUV came straight at him, Edwards fired, pulling

his arms into his body and moving toward his cruiser as
the SUV passed between him and a chain link fence. He
was pinned between his cruiser and the SUV.
(Fecht said he isn't certain if both officers were firing at

that moment, but both fired more than one round from
their service pistols.)
Rogers then moved west on Charles Street and up its

small hill, where he encountered a third unit driven by
long-time officer George Trammell.
Trammell moved his eastbound car out Rogers' path and

watched it slow to a stop in front of 4411 Charles St.

When officers reached him, Rogers was non-responsive

with a weak heartbeat. An officer called for medical aid
at 9:21 p.m.
As it turned out, Rogers wasn't armed, but a car is

identified as a lethal weapon under state law, Fecht
explained as a lieutenant handed out copies of the
statute.
Moreover, Peterson was trapped and Edwards was

confronted by a direct attack from a man wielding a
5,300-pound vehicle with an apparent intention to cause
bodily harm, Fecht said.
Edwards and Peterson believed they were in serious

danger when they fired, and their use of deadly force
was justified, Fecht concluded.
The Rogers' family attorney, Frank Chapman, said from

his Casper office that he was reserving comment about
that use of lethal force.
"We're conducting our own investigation," he said.
In the meantime, Peterson and Edwards remain on

administrative leave with pay.
It's not clear when or if they will return to work, but if

they are asked to and if they decide to do so, they will
undergo a psychiatric evaluation and a debriefing with
department leaders.
Peterson and Trammell have been with the department

since 1999; Edwards has been there since 1998,
according to police.
This incident is the third time in three years that officers

have fired service weapons in the line of duty here. This
is the first fatal shooting by a Cheyenne police officer
since 1983.
Police did talk with Rogers family Friday night
CHEYENNE - Police Chief Bob Fecht on Tuesday

responded to allegations that police personnel didn't
approach the Rogers family in the hours after their son,
Joshua, was fatally shot by officers here Friday night.
At a news conference, Fecht didn't say much about the

impact of the officer-involved shooting on his

department. He began the by offering condolences to
Rogers' family.
But a statement made by 20-year-old Rogers' uncle to

the Wyoming Tribune-Eagle Monday isn't true, Fecht
said.
According to the chief, Rogers' father, Terry, was

interviewed by Sgt. Rick Wood before Laramie County
Coroner Bill Ryan relayed the news of his son's death.
Deputy police chief Bill Stanford was with Ryan at that
time, though he wasn't in uniform, Fecht said.
Also, Fecht said, a member of the department's victim

assistance program went to the family's home. Beside
her was a uniformed police officer. They stayed with the
family, Fecht said.
Frank Chapman, the Casper attorney who is

representing the Rogers family, wouldn't comment about
the charges made by the uncle, Gary Rogers, or Fecht's
response when he was contacted Tuesday.
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01-12-2006 10:15 AM
duncan Police say cuffs triggered struggle

Moderator The chief says officers shot only when threatened by an
uncooperative man who nearly ran over an officer.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado By Juliette Rule
Posts: 9017 rep9@wyomingnews.com
CHEYENNE - The community response to his revelations

about an officer-involved shooting has been positive for
the most part, Police Chief Bob Fecht says.
Four days after the shooting, Fecht told a roomful of

reporters on Tuesday some of what the Wyoming
Division of Criminal Investigation has revealed to him
about the incident.
Since then, he has taken calls from radio station

listeners, revealing more of his insight into what
happened and learning more about the community's
reaction to the first officer-involved fatal shooting here
in more than 20 years.
"I think (the community's response) has been what we

hoped for," Fecht said. "Some have said, 'We shouldn't
be judging the officers because we weren't there.'"
Two officers who responded to a rolling domestic

disturbance shot at Joshua Rogers, 20, in an east
Cheyenne neighborhood about 9:15 p.m. Friday.
Rogers died, presumably from a gunshot wound, when

both officers fired their service pistols at and into his
SUV. An autopsy report hasn't been completed.
Police say Rogers was harassing a car carrying Kenzie

Marquardt, her sister Courtney Budnick and the 4-year-
old child of Rogers and Marquardt. A Rogers' family
member said Joshua Rogers only wanted to spend time
with his son over the holiday weekend.
Fecht says officers shot only when their lives were

threatened by an uncooperative, partially handcuffed
Rogers who nearly ran over one officer before driving
directly toward another.

Officer James Peterson was first on the scene at Charles

Street and Fillmore Avenue. He planned to hold Rogers
in investigative detention, for which Rogers would have
been handcuffed and seated in the back of a patrol car,
Fecht said.
Had events unfolded differently, Peterson likely also

would have held Marquardt and her sister in
investigative detention, Fecht said. That's the only way
to keep feuding parties separated and safe while they
are interviewed separately, he added.
Rogers was agreeable until that first handcuff was

clasped, Fecht said.
While investigative detention can include handcuffs, just

why Rogers wasn't out of the car completely before he
was handcuffed remains unclear even to investigators
ferrying each and every detail into written reports.
They simply don't know yet, Fecht said, adding it's a

"very, very detailed" investigation.
Handcuffs can be used to restrain someone or even to

forcibly remove them from a car through an open
window. But Fecht said precisely what occurred is
unclear to investigators.
Rogers was first cooperative, putting his hands outside

the open car window when Peterson asked him to do so,
Fecht said.
Peterson might have approached the car with his pistol

drawn because Marquardt had reported that Rogers had
a knife, Fecht said, though again he couldn't be certain.
Either way, it's possible Rogers became passively

resistant, refusing to respond to Peterson's other
requests, Fecht said.
"I don't know that for a fact, but there's an implication of

that," he added.
When one handcuff went on, Rogers became combative,

and possibly as part of that fight, the SUV door opened,
Fecht said.
Peterson was inside that triangle formed by that open

door when Rogers put the SUV in reverse, and "he was

in a perilous position," Fecht added.
The police chief added that he doesn't know if Peterson

fell to the ground. But the officer did shoot the rear tire
of the fleeing SUV, though there were no warrants for
Rogers and he wasn't wanted for questioning.
That might make it seem to some that shooting at a

fleeing car unnecessarily harsh, but Fecht defended the
split-second decision made by his officers.
Peterson's decision to shoot at the SUV was followed by

the second responding officer, Heber Edwards, appearing
on the scene. He heard the gunshot then saw Peterson
fall or leap away from the SUV, which then charted a
course toward Edwards, police say.
In deciding lethal force and its necessity, Fecht said the

question centers on reasonable response.
"There are 100 different options," he said. "And 95 of

them are reasonable options to take in that situation."
The family's attorney, Frank Chapman, said he remains

unconvinced the hooting was necessary. His has said his
office is conducting its own investigation.
"It's still not clear to me there was any excuse for the
use of lethal force," he said Wednesday. "I think they
treated (Rogers) with extreme prejudice."
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01-12-2006 10:16 AM
duncan News Story Published On 12/4/2005

Moderator
No video of police shooting
Registered: Jul 2003 Although installed in October, the cameras are not
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado functioning
Posts: 9017
By Juliette Rule
CHEYENNE - The police cars that responded to a

domestic disturbance last weekend that ended with the
shooting death of 20-year-old Joshua Rogers were
equipped with in-car cameras.
But that won't be helpful to those investigating the Nov.

25 incident at Charles Street and Fillmore Avenue.
The cameras don't work.
The devices installed in the cars of officers James

Peterson and Heber Edwards' turn on when they're not
supposed to, taping useless images, Chief Bob Fecht
said.
He added that is a common problem with the

department's most recently acquired cameras and is one
his department is having corrected.
That lack of videotape leaves investigators with only one

perspective as to why shots were fired: the adrenaline-
rich memories of officers at the scene.
But sources say a lack of cameras and videotapes won't

make much, if any, difference in this case, though they
immediately clarified in an officer-involved shooting this
summer.
In-car cameras aren't new technology, and fifth-penny

sales tax money did fund the mid-October installation of

60 dash-mounted cameras for city police.
That acquisition is for the bulk of city officers' in-car

cameras, though some patrol cars have been equipped
with the devices for a few years, Fecht said.
That includes the car driven by officer George Trammell.

He was the third officer on that east Cheyenne scene,
arriving after Edwards, who followed Peterson.
Because of Trammell's position at the scene, any video

retrieved from his camera won't be as helpful as that
which would have been recovered from Peterson and
Edwards. Trammell was at the bottom of small hill on
Charles Street as Rogers' SUV slowed to a stop after he
was shot.
Wyoming Highway Patrol cars have had cameras for at

least five years. Today, almost every cruiser in the
patrol's fleet has one, Sgt. Steve Townsend said.
Footage retrieved from trooper Paul Brunner's car

proved valuable in the wake of a June 16 incident. Then,
the trooper shot dead a woman he stopped for speeding
and tried to arrest for DUI west of Gillette.
"It enabled the investigators and the prosecutor's office

to have corroboration, I guess, of Brunner's rendition,
his recollection of the facts," Wyoming Highway Patrol
Col. Sam Powell said Friday.
Three weeks after the shooting, Brunner was cleared by

investigators who said he acted appropriately, given the
threat to his own safety when the woman grabbed his
baton and struck him.
The Highway Patrol tape released to news agencies a

week or so after the shooting shows a polite trooper
talking with the speeding driver and administering field
sobriety tests.
When the 42-year-old driver failed the test, Brunner told

her to place her hands behind her back. The driver,
Alyssa Harriet of Buffalo, refused and then resisted.
She became armed with Brunner's baton as the action

moved to the side of the car. That can't be seen, but the
trooper's microphone recorded him ordering her to "Drop

it, drop it now," before he fired two bullets.
It's not visible on camera, but Brunner is heard telling

four men who stopped to help seconds after he fired that
Harriet struck him on the head with his baton. She was
moving to strike him again, he said, when he fired.
In his telling of the Nov. 25 shooting here, Fecht says he

is confident that deadly force used by Edwards and
Peterson was reasonable, given the totality of the
circumstances.
Peterson met Rogers, who allegedly struggled with the

officer as he clasped one handcuff onto Rogers' wrist.
Rogers, who was behind the wheel of his SUV, is said to
have restarted his engine and was backing up the car
when Peterson fired into the rear tire.
Rogers then "aimed" the car toward Edwards, who

arrived on scene just in time to hear a gunshot and see
Peterson fall or leap away from the SUV. That's
according to Fecht, who presented that information at a
news conference last Tuesday.
Investigators aren't yet saying how many shots were

fired or where Rogers was injured.
Simple subtraction will show how many rounds each

officer fired, but as for the rest of the story, much of
that will be told by them from memory and matched to
others' statements.
"The real key is videotape provides a completely

objective recollection of the facts," Powell said.
Attorneys practicing criminal law know how off

eyewitness accounts can be, so relying on the officers'
memories might seem to be one drawback in-car
cameras are designed to spare.
"The value is (videotape) simply enhanced (Brunner's)

overall credibility," Powell said. "But I don't want to
imply that in not having a videotape there was no
credibility."
Indeed, Brunner's recollection of the events were exactly

as they were on tape, Powell said.
As is standard procedure for most if not all police

agencies in Wyoming, DCI is conducting an investigation

into Rogers' death.
Director Kurt Dobbs said he isn't aware whether the

Cheyenne cars had video cameras, but he added it was a
great help to investigators in the Brunner case.
Still, cameras show only part of the story; much of the

action moved off-screen, he recalled.
"I wish we could have the entire event on video and

audio," Dobbs said. "But it's static; (the camera) can't
move."
Like any piece of electronic equipment, there are

drawbacks. But with or without tapes, it won't likely
matter to agents working on the Rogers case, Dobbs
said.
"We investigate a lot of complaints and shootings

without videotape," he added. "It just means we have to
look at a lot of evidence."
And that takes time. In the Rogers case, Dobbs said it

will be another two or three weeks before DCI will
release its report.
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01-12-2006 10:17 AM
duncan Gee I wish that just one of you swine could show me the
Moderator protection that you all pretend to offer society.
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01-12-2006 10:18 AM
duncan Ah Shuck's !!!!!

Moderator
http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/
mor...08626&arch=true
Posts: 9017
News Story Published On 8/22/2006
Policeman struck by pickup

The officer, who is in critical condition, was attempting
to pass the truck Monday.
By Juliette Rule

CHEYENNE - A Cheyenne police officer is in critical

condition after being struck by a pickup truck in the
1200 block of Dunn Avenue Monday morning.
At about 4 p.m. Monday, Cheyenne police Lt. Don

Simmer said officer Dennis Shuck was in surgery.
The crash, which happened about 8:50 a.m., is being

investigated by the Wyoming Highway Patrol.
Shuck, 54, was in uniform and riding his police

motorcycle when he was apparently sideswiped by a
pickup truck driven by Brian D. Carlson, 39, near Capitol
Lumber.
Shuck was traveling in the same direction as Carlson. He

had his lights and sirens on and was attempting to pass
Carlson when the crash happened, according to
Wyoming Highway Patrol Sgt. Steve Townsend.
Either Carlson didn't see Shuck on his motorcycle when

he changed into the right lane, or he heard Shuck's siren
and was changing lanes in an attempt to get out of the
emergency vehicle's way.
"It's really not clear," Townsend said.
Carlson was traveling between 10 and 15 mph and, like

Shuck, had just left East Lincolnway to join Dunn Avenue.
One witness said Shuck was thrown 10 to 20 feet and

into the median.
Shuck was working traffic enforcement, according to a

news release issued by Cheyenne police. Simmer said
Schuck has been with the department for nearly 12
years.
Shuck was wearing a helmet, Simmer said, and it

doesn't appear he suffered head injuries.
"At least none that are known of right now," Simmer

said.
Shuck did suffer serious internal injuries, Simmer added.
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08-30-2006 08:25 PM
duncan http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/
Moderator mor...08676&arch=true
Registered: Jul 2003 News Story Published On 8/24/2006

Posts: 9017 Police officer in crash dies
By Juliette Rule
CHEYENNE - The Cheyenne police officer hurt while

trying to stop a speeder Monday died Wednesday of
injuries suffered in that crash.
Dennis Shuck, 54, died about 9:30 a.m. at United

Medical Center-West, where he earlier had undergone
surgery to repair internal injuries, including a torn aorta,
broken arm and broken clavicle, as well as the removal
of a kidney.
He had been with the Cheyenne Police Department for

about 12 years and had been in the Air Force and
National Guard before that, Police Capt. Jeff Schulz said.

Shuck will be remembered for his good nature and calm

demeanor in a job that sometimes hands out challenges
in truckloads, fellow officers said.
He was riding his police-issued motorcycle with its

emergency lights and siren on when he and a pickup
truck collided near Capital Lumber about 9 a.m. Monday.
The cause of that crash remains under investigation,
and, as of Wednesday afternoon, no citations had been
issued by investigators with the Wyoming Highway
Patrol.
"You never heard anyone say anything bad about him,"

Wyoming Highway Patrol trooper Joey Scimone said
Wednesday.
That included even those to whom Shuck had written

citations.
And write tickets, he did.
Scimone, who began his law enforcement career with

the Cheyenne Police Department five years ago, guessed
Shuck wrote about 2,000 a year.
That was a testament to his work ethic, but that

speeders, as unhappy as they no doubt were about that
pricey piece of paper in their hand, could agree Shuck
was polite and courteous says much more about the
man, Scimone said.
It was that right mix of age, maturity and demeanor that

gave Shuck that advantage in police work, where finding
trouble is the name of the game.
"Dennis just really kept his cool," Scimone said, and that
made him a great role model "for us younger guys."
Shuck's death in the line of duty is the second in about

50 years for the local police department.
"It's the one thing I've never wanted to face," Police

Chief Bob Fecht said Wednesday.
In 1954, officer Jack Jernigan was walking a young male

suspect through a Capitol Avenue restaurant when that
young man turned a .25-caliber pistol on him, according
to a newspaper story at the time.

"I'll take another 50," Schulz said.
On Aug. 1, 1985, the Laramie County Sheriff's Office lost

deputy Robert Alyne as he attempted to rescue a young
girl from flood waters.
Shuck wasn't a complainer, and he liked his job in traffic

enforcement, which isn't known for being glamorous or
particularly exciting, Schulz said.
"He liked the service aspect of being a cop," Schulz said.

"It's not the most glorious job. He was fulfilling a very
important role for the city."
In February, Shuck lost his wife, Shirley, to a long-term

illness. During that time, Shuck remained loving and
loyal, Scimone said.
That experience might have granted Shuck a certain

philosophy or perspective on life, but it again made
great modeling for Scimone, who recently became
engaged himself.
"I admired him and really looked up to him and how he

persevered," the trooper said. "I'm a better person for
having known him."
The Shucks married in 1973, according to her obituary,

which listed survivors as a son, Travis, of Grand
Junction, Colo., and daughter Stephanie Swearingen of
Cheyenne and six grandchildren. Schulz said Shuck was
engaged to be married soon.
"He was so excited about getting married," Scimone said.
Outside of the department, Shuck did professional

photography, including weddings and portraiture.
Some of those weddings were hosted by police officers -

one of those bookings was Scimone's wedding, to which
Shuck offered to travel to Orlando, Fla., to shoot.
"He said that would be a great excuse to see some

family there," Scimone said.
Some of those photos were of police officers' children.

All of the small oval photos of Cheyenne police officers
mounted, framed and hung throughout police

headquarters were taken by Shuck.
Much of that work was done in Shuck's basement,

Schulz said.
Losing Shuck certainly will bring grief to the department,

and the sheriff's office, too, since Shuck worked there as
a detention officer before signing on to be a Cheyenne
police officer in 1994.
But events like this also can bring a department closer

together, Schulz added.
He wasn't sure when funeral services would be or where,

but the death of an officer brings much more than a
simple service.
There will be a processional, and that will include other

Laramie County police agencies, but it also is likely to
include officers from surrounding counties.
"People could come 100 miles to drive in the

processional," Schulz said. "I guess we think we should
take care of our own."
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08-30-2006 08:26 PM
duncan http://www.wyomingnews.com/news/
Moderator mor...08716&arch=true
Registered: Jul 2003 News Story Published On 8/29/2006

Posts: 9017 Road blamed in officer's death
Intersection design, not drivers, led to fatal crash -
probe
By Juliette Rule
CHEYENNE - Neither driver is to blame in the crash that

took a Cheyenne police officer's life last week.
That's according to the Wyoming Highway Patrol, the

agency investigating the crash.
The investigation found that an oddly designed

intersection that merges five roadways is to blame, Lt.
Troy McLees said Monday.
Officer Dennis Shuck's intentions are unclear, but he was

riding in his police-issued motorcycle to the right of a
pickup truck driven by Brian Carlson near Capital
Lumber.
Passing on the right might not seem to make sense, the

trooper said, but in this case it wasn't to blame for the
crash.
It's unclear if Carlson was moving right in an effort to

turn onto Dunn Avenue and into Capital Lumber's
parking lot or if he was merely responding by instinct to
the sound of emergency sirens behind him and moving
right when he and Shuck collided.
Shuck, as he attempted to move around Carlson in that

overly wide lane that routes traffic from Lincolnway to
Nationway, might not have known exactly where that
pickup truck was headed.
That makes passing on the right at that particular point

not the bad idea it usually is, McLees said.

"It's just a bad intersection," he said. "It is wide enough

for two vehicles . I would think this now raises some
concerns about that intersection."
But city traffic engineer Nathan Beauheim called the

Highway Patrol's position "an interesting verdict" while
calling that five-legged intersection "one of the more
difficult" in the city.
"Though I'm not sure that from what I've heard the
peculiarities of that intersection are to blame," he said.
Beauheim cited conversations he had with witnesses at

Capital Lumber, and said he was interested in seeing the
Highway Patrol's final report.
Shuck, 54, served nearly 12 years with the Cheyenne

Police Department and didn't have a reputation as a "hot-
dogging" traffic officer on a motorcycle, McLees said.
He knew he was more vulnerable on the motorcycle, and

he "wasn't one to take unnecessary chances just to stop
a speeder," he added.
The crash happened about 9 a.m. Aug. 21. Shuck died of

his injuries Wednesday, and his funeral was Saturday.
The crash investigation was wrapped up Thursday
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08-30-2006 08:27 PM
duncan I wouldn't blame the road I'd blame the *** Shuck for
Moderator getting himself f*cked.
Registered: Jul 2003 He was a hot doggin motorcycle copster who needed to
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado fill a ticket quota. Who writes 2,000 tickets a year? A tax
Posts: 9017 collecting copscum that's who.
No one too blame but himself. It is Fecht's policy and

that of the City of Cheyenne to collect revenue by
writting lots and lots of traffic tickets. Fecht hand outs
points fto who ever writes the most tickets and the
points go towards a promotion.
Hot dog Shuck made an illegal pass on the right side of a

pickup truck as it was truning right onto a road and
while he was in pursuit of another motorist. The truck in
question didn't see Shuck and Shuck crashed into the
truck, thus killing himself.
I don't recall any copscum showing up for a dead bikers

funeral i.e. the funeral of Dwayne Sells, yet ABATE did
show up for this porkers funeral because the swine was
a biker. August 23rd was the day I put up the
justiceforsells.com website, one year ago to the date.
You thin maybe God si trying to tell these swien
soemthing? Maybe it is just coincidence.
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08-30-2006 08:37 PM
duncan Shuck's death in the line of duty is the second in about

Moderator 50 years for the local police department.
Registered: Jul 2003 Umm and only two deaths in over 50 years. Not a very
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado dangerous job is it?
Posts: 9017
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09-11-2006 09:52 PM

GC Marciano quote:
Shuck's death in the line of duty is
the second in about 50 years for the
local police department.
OMF'inG... I'm pretty sure the local bakery has had

more line-of-duty deaths.
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09-12-2006 01:42 AM
liberranter And of course we can rest assured that all of

Super Moderator Cheyenne will commemorate this guy as a hero,
putting him in the same league as the victims of
9/11 and the war dead in Iraq in Afghanistan.
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Location: Tucson, AZ "And this brings us to a point that has to be driven

Posts: 5865 home with the pitiless force of a jackhammer: It is

that too.
09-12-2006 02:09 AM
duncan I've been to the local Sheriffs office over the past few
Moderator years and as one enters the building there is a memorial
station by the entrance. Only one deputy and one sheriff
Registered: Jul 2003 died in the line of duty over the past 100 years. BFD!!!!!
Posts: 9017
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09-12-2006 02:18 PM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
I've been to the local Sheriffs office
over the past few years and as one
enters the building there is a
memorial station by the entrance.
Only one deputy and one sheriff died
in the line of duty over the past 100
years. BFD!!!!!

Posts: 5865
Man, what a dangerous place for a cop Cheyenne is...
no wonder they recruit only the best and the
brightest to "serve and protect!!!"
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that too.
09-12-2006 02:56 PM

duncan All one needs to become a copscum with the Cheyenne

Moderator PD is a GED.
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09-12-2006 03:17 PM
liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
All one needs to become a copscum
with the Cheyenne PD is a GED.
And I'll bet there is a waiver for that too if you know
the right people and/or are sufficiently violent and
stupid.
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that too.
09-12-2006 03:21 PM
duncan Stories of the Cheyenne PD

Moderator
I hear these kinds of stories at least three times a week.

Posts: 9017 Frank Smith, owner of Liberty Blacksmith and fellow
anarchist/libertarian, recently had his welding trailer
stolen form his shop south whihc is located along HWY
85 just south of Cheyenne.
Frankie reported this crime to the Cheyenne PD who did

nothing to investigate the crime. Frank made up his own
flyers and sent out numerous emails with a pic of his
welding trialer along with a description and serial
numbers. A citizen saw the flyer and saw the trailer in
question right next door to his own house. The citizen
did not call the ever worthless Cheyenne PD she simply
called Frank and told him.
Frankie solved the case and to date the Chyenne PD has

lost his welding trialer. The swine had the trialer
impounded and can't remember were they placed it.
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05-29-2007 11:56 PM
liberranter Re: Stories of the Cheyenne PD

Super Moderator
quote:
Frankie solved the case and to date

the Chyenne PD has lost his welding
trialer. The swine had the trialer
impounded and can't remember
were they placed it.
Posts: 5865
I doubt seriously that they "can't remember" where

they've impounded the trailer. More than likely
they've hidden it and are in the process of planting
drugs and other contraband in it so that they can set
Frank up for a bust.
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Mack I think he should sue them. The trailer is probably

Assistant Moderator necessary for his business, and he's losing money each
day it's "lost."
He probably has a cause of action for breach of bailment:
quote:
Bailment
Registered: Jul 2003 From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Location: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bailment
Posts: 5215
Bailment describes a legal relationship in
common law where physical possession of
personal property (chattels) is transferred
from one person (the 'bailor') to another
person (the 'bailee') who subsequently holds
possession of the property. However, it is
distinguished from a contract of sale or a
gift of property, as it only involves the
transfer of possession and not its ownership.
In order to create a bailment, the bailee
must both intend to possess, and actually
physically possess, the bailable chattel.
In addition, unlike a lease or rental, where

ownership remains with the leasor but the
lessee is allowed to use the property, the
bailee is generally not entitled to the use of
the property while it is in his possession.
Moreover, unlike a security agreement or
pawn at a pawnbroker, where the secured
party is entitled to the possession and use of
the property only on default of payment, a
bailor can demand the return of the property
at any reasonable time, without prior notice.
A common example of bailment is leaving
your car with a valet. Leaving your car in a
parking garage is typically a license, as the
car park's intent to possess your car cannot
be shown. However, it arises in many other
situations, including terminated leases of
property, or warehousing (including store-it-
yourself).
No matter how a bailment arises, the bailee

has both a duty of care and duty to re-

deliver the bailment. The bailee is expected

to take (as a minimum) reasonable
precautions to safeguard the property,
although this standard sometimes varies
depending upon who benefits from the
bailment. In most of the United States, for
example, if the bailment is to the primary
benefit of the bailor, the bailee must be
found grossly negligent in order to be liable
for damage done to the bailment, while if
the bailee primarily benefits, such as if you
borrow your neighbor's rake to clean your
lawn, the bailee is liable for any damages
arising from slight neligence. If both bailor
and bailee are found to benefit from the
relationship, such as leaving your clothes at
the dry cleaners, then the bailee is only held
to a standard of ordinary care. Bailees are
typically strictly liable for any mis-delivery of
a bailment, although, in the case of
involuntary bailments (see below), the
bailee is only held to a standard of due care
regarding re-delivery. Moreover, a bailee
may be liable in conversion if the property is
not returned upon the request of the bailor,
or if the property is used without permission
of the bailor. MORE=>
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05-30-2007 06:09 PM
duncan I will tell him.

Moderator
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05-30-2007 08:18 PM
duncan I had an interesting conversation with a former Army

Moderator Ranger. The Ranger in question runs an machinst shop
in Cheyenne. He use to do some sniper work for the
Registered: Jul 2003 Cheyenne PD under herr Fecht.
Posts: 9017 He can no longer work for the Cheyenne copscum or
herr Fecht. Her told me that "Fecht is trigger happy and
that the he would rather shoot first and ask questions
later."
Apparently the former Ranger's services were needed in

what was thought to be a hostage situation. The Ranger
had the human target in his sights and was odered by
herr Fecht to kill the perp, but refused when he
recognized the fact that the perp had a plastic gun in his
hand instead of the real thing. When told of this fact herr
Fecht still wanted the supect shot down. The Ranger

refused and the suspect lived. The ranger told Fecht to

eat **** and die and quit working for the Cheyenne PD.
This former Ranger now a machinist holds a class three

FFL and his expertise lies in making .50 calibers.
That's right herr Fecht I have met your worst nightmare

and it will all come back to haunt you.
How did I meet this guy? That's another story. He

loaned me a lathe bit to help with my schooling and I
went back to thank him and to tell him of my new found
profession. What's the profession? That's another story
as well. I'll keep you swine guessing for awhile longer.
The Ranger told me that he had met Ed Hunt the

copscum informant and bouncer for the Outlaw Saloon. I
told him that Hunt died back in September of last year.
He asked me were the guy was buried as he wanted to
piss on his grave. I told him that Ed had himself
cremated or rather "Ed Hunt made an ash of himself."
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05-10-2008 10:30 PM

duncan Cheyenne PD
Moderator
Fecht, Robert Police Chief, rfecht@cheyennepd.org (307)

637-6521
Posts: 9017
Schulz, Jeff Captain, jschulz@cheyennepd.org (307) 637-
6543
Simmer, Don Captain, dsimmer@cheyennepd.org (307)

637-6555
Korber, Rob Lieutenant, rkorber@cheyennepd.org 307)

637-6530
Maxwell, Mitch Lieutenant Email (307) 637-6505
Allsop, Monti Lieutenant Email (307) 637-6575
Munari, Mark Lieutenant Email (307) 637-6511
Buseck, Nathan Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Newberry, Glen Sergeant Email (307) 637-6541
Smith, Brian Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Weese, David Sergeant Email (307) 637-6510
Willhite, Roger Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Keslar, Jared Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Seidel, Chad Sergeant Email (307) 637-6562
Wood, Rick Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Rowland, Terry Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Olsen, James Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Bell, Terry Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Dafoe, Rob Sergeant Email (307) 637-6525
Klipstein, Laurie Accountant Email (307) 637-6522
Lusher, Emmett Code Enforcement Officer Email (307)

637-6477

Farmer, Donna IT Supervisor Email (307) 637-6516
Scholz, Lisa Meth Coordinator Email (307) 632-3449
Layman, Sue Records Supervisor Email (307) 637-6595
Hood, Tim Training Coordinator Email (307) 637-6554
Henderson, Tina Victims Assistance Coordinator Email

(307) 637-6507
Sherman, Lynn Executive Secretary Email (307) 637-

6521
Rumpf, Tim Special Projects Coordinator Email (307)

637-6537
Smith, Bethany Property & Evidence Manager
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10-13-2008 04:17 PM

duncan Wanted
Moderator
Wanted for the crime of wasting tax dollars on one of

Registered: Jul 2003 those worthless mail order degrees.
Posts: 9017
Bob Fecht, criminal at large, he is considred to be armed
and dangerous.
Fecht is only smiling because Lt. Korber is on his knees

sucking herr Fecht off.
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10-13-2008 04:20 PM

duncan Fecht in his gang colors.

Moderator
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10-13-2008 04:24 PM
duncan Wanted
Moderator
Capt. Jeff Shultz is wanted for being an accomplice to

Registered: Jul 2003 the crimes committed by herr Fecht. It should come as
Posts: 9017 no suprise to know that herr Shultz is a member of the
laramie county republican party and supprts the despot
Bush and his illegal invasion of Iraq.
Attachment: capt shultz.jpg

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10-13-2008 04:30 PM
duncan Don Simmer

Moderator
Herr Simmer likes to gamble down in Colorado. I guess

Registered: Jul 2003 Wyoming ain't good enough for this porker player opps I
Posts: 9017 mean poker player.
Back Row) Steve D., Don Simmer, Jim M., Marv., Karl
S., Jeremy S.
Attachment: simmer.jpg
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10-13-2008 04:40 PM
duncan There are times when you post nothing at all, it drives
Moderator the scumbags nuts.
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02-22-2009 06:33 PM

duncan Poor Bob, he fell off of his horse and broke his back
Moderator bone. This is why he had to quit the department. Sitting
around on his as$$ at the PD was just to much for him.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Schulz is the interm Chief until they can find someone to
Posts: 9017 replace herr Fecht. I've applied for the job.
I got's me a degree and one of dem Criminal Justice

certficates from CSU.
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09-24-2009 07:34 PM

duncan Fecht is pretending that his new found disability was job
Moderator related. He lied in order to recieve a medical disability
pension, which pays more than a regular copscum
Registered: Jul 2003 pension.
Posts: 9017 Go figure.
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11-06-2009 05:58 PM
duncan If one were to compare the Chyenne PD roster to that of

Moderator Wyoming's Homeland Gestapo you will see many of the
same names.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The Homeland Gestapo is made up mostly of cop rejects
Posts: 9017 from other departments.
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11-08-2009 02:20 PM
duncan Cheyenne p&ggy pay scale as of Jan '09.

Moderator
Police Chief; $6,846.71 a month
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado 2 Police Captains: $6,412.91 each per month for a total
Posts: 9017 of $12,825.82 a month
4 Police Lieutenants: $5830.89 each per month for a

total of $23,323.56 a month
86 Police swine: $3,804.54 base pay up to 4,747.40 a

month for a total of $368,640.68 per month
Police I.T. Services Manager: $4,059.65 a month
I.T. Tech support specialist: $2547.15 per month
6 Police Services Tech's: $1,820.00 up to $2,192.61 per

month for a total of $13,984.56 a month
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11-17-2009 06:05 PM
duncan The new polock in charge is ordering his fellow thugs to

Moderator stop motorist who are OUTSIDE the city limits for the
use of a cell phone while driving and issuing tickets.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado It is NOT a crime in the county to use a cell phone while
Posts: 9017 driving. One guy who was stopped by the thugs of the
Cheyenne PD refused to sign the ticket and a deputy
showed upon scene to run the Cheyenne thugs off as
they were outside their jurisdiction.
F8cking siwne need to be arrested for illegal detainment

and kidnapping.
Say goodbye to your new job Chief Kuntlick.
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duncan Chronicles Of A Civil Rights Activist Part II

Moderator
Church belongings seized

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The state of Colorado seized and locked the LaPorte of
Posts: 9017
Christ on Friday,... ", "Larimer County Sheriff's Deputy
Steve Holloway closes the LaPorte Church of Christ doors
Friday." Sally Norman the Coloradoan 2/27/93
"Looks like we live in a police state." added Duncan

Philp" Sally Norman the Coloradoan 2/27/93
The deputies were outraged to see my quote, but Sheriff

Shockley saw an upportunity to discredit me by calling
me a neo-nazi. The Sheriff feared that I would continue
on as a copwatcher to expose the corruption of his
regime like I had done to his predecessor, so he had a
need to silence me. Leftist groups like the ADL and the
SPLC would jump all over it. This same slim had ignored
the fact that I was also seen defending the free speech
rights of a topless donut shop. No neo-nazi would ever
defend the rights of a topless sex joint, but a libertarian
would support the free speech of anyone regardless of
the content.
Why? Why not? It could be your free speech that the

statists p*gs want to destroy. The fact is the ADL hates
freedom and free speech. My comments about the left
wing nazi's of the ADL have been posted on another
string, so I will limit my comments. To date the
incredible ADL cannot provide a membership list with my
name on it in which I ever belonged to the LaPorte
Church of Christ. They never even provide their readers
with a source or a date as to when I was a member of
this church. I mean you really have to hate a man to
want to destroy his entire life by publicly calling him a
Nazi in the hope that he will suffer persecution at the
hands of copscum and the public at large.
What have I ever done to any Jew to warrant this much

hate? Nothing. When have I ever cliamed that the
Holcaust never happened? Never. When and were did I
advocate that any Jew be killed for being Jewish? I
haven't.
The left can't debate gun rights so they do the next

worst thing which is to lie, lie and lie some more. The

elft can't deal with its onw double standards when

exposed by an anarchist so what do they do? Lie, lie and
lie some more. This is exactly what Hitler did to his
political enemies.
This would be a debate that still goes on to this day and

one that continues to make the ADL and the SPLC look
like the slime that they really are. More will be posted
about it on this string.
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06-13-2008 07:27 PM

duncan Group organizes in county to recall Romer

Moderator
"A Fort Collins resident, Duncan Philp, recently started to
Registered: Jul 2003 organize petioners in Larimer County, a registered
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Republican and avowed libertarian, said about 40 people
Posts: 9017 in the area are circulating the recall petitoins." J.
Lewandowski the Coloradoan 3/3/93
1993 would prove to be an interesting year for me.

Governor Romer had seen two state ballot intiatives win
that he had wanted to lose. One was the famous TABOR
amendment put out by none other than Doug Bruce,
whihc to date is being aborgated by leftist scum who
reside in state congress, and an equal rights amendment
which would deny queers scpeial privileges in society.
Romer had stated publicly that all who voted for these
two amendments are "Stupid people". He does thave the
right to call others stupid and we have the right to kick
his leftist a$$ off the hill.
"Philp said the governor is sworn to support the issues

approved by the voters, whether he agrees with them or
not." J. Lewandowski the Coloradoan 3/3/93
And that was the crux of it all. The name of the group
which headed up this recall was "We the people to re-
call Romer" and was based out of Colorado Springs. I
managed to get 3,000 signatures in Larmier County. The
Guv shut his fat mouth when this one came about and
played down his poast actions.
Romer would complete his term and do another term.

He now lives in LA and works for the school disctrict
there. Good riddance.
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06-13-2008 07:45 PM
duncan Police watchdog leader arrested following auction

Moderator
"Duncan Philp, the head of Concerened Citizens on Police
Registered: Jul 2003 Matters, was jailed briefly on charges of driving wihtout
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado a lisence .... " Kevin Vaughn Coloradoan 5/14/93
Posts: 9017
The pro-cop reporter Vaughn now works for the Rocky
Mountain News and he wrote the story about my lawsuit
agianst Deputy Estep and the Jeffco Sheriff's
department. It must have irked him to see that it was a
drivers lisence issue.
This one was a real laugh in a half. Richard Shockley,

the county Sheriff at the time, thought he could use this
news story to discredit me, but instead he later got
bounced out of office by local gun owners for being a
closet gun grabber and dummycrat.
They guys who arrested me for the awful crime of

driving without a DL were deputy Volz's pals and they
were looking to get even with me. Clowns like deputies
Weber and Brunin, who later got busted for hunting on
private property and shooting an rifle from within their
pickup truck.
I tell people that 99% of all auto accidents happen at the

hands of lisenced drivers. The point being is that a DL
has little to do with traffic safety and everything to do
with taxing your income and car. While busy trying to
figure out some way to get even with me over the Volz
issue the deputies must have waste thousands of dollars
on nothing. I went to court were even more tax dollars
were wasted by Judge Shultz, who was later was busted
for willfull tax evasion in which he was paid to sign off on

marriage lisences and never reported this income to the

IRS.
I went appeared in court and even had a trail by jury. I

was not allowed to bring up the issue of Fully Informed
Jury and the right of a jury to find that a state statute
was in violation of the law and suppress it in favor of the
defendant nor was I allowed to talk about a persons
right to travel under the law. I was of course found
guilty and ordered to get a Lisence by the court. The
story after this points gets real funny.
I went to the local DMV office and passed the written

part of the DL and was told to give the state employee
my home address.
SE - I need to have your local address.
Me - I'm homeless. I don't have an address.
SE - ( Has a confused look on his face and runs to get

more of his fellow human parasites to discuss the
quandry) Were did you sleep last night?
Me - The City Park Golf Course on West Mulberry.
SE - (Breaks out the city map of Ft. Collins to get an

address) That Park covers an entire city block so were
was it that you slept last night?
Me- Hole number 9.
The dumba$$ typed in "City Park Golf Course, Mulberry

Hole # 9 Ft. Collins, Colorado 80524." It was all I could
do to keep from laughing my a$$ off.
SE - I will need your DOB.
Me - I don't recall the day or even the month of my

birth. I know that I was there an all when I was born,
but I can't remember a damn thing as to when it was all
going on. I can't remember a darn thing up until I was
around six or seven years of age and even then
everything is a bit scetchy. Sorry can't help you.
SE - Can you recall the year of your birth?
Me - Not sure it could have been in '57 or '58.

So he types in the years '57 or '58. I soon realize that

I'm dealing with real half wit, which would explain how
he got his job as a state employee.
SE - Can I have your SS#?
Me- Nope and I'm not required to give you one.
He left this line blank and directed me to get my picture

taken.
Me - A picture is a graven image and the good book tells

us to never have anything to do with graven images.
SE - Ok then I will need $15 to process your DL.
Me - I am financially indigent and have no money.
SE - Then I can't give you a DL.
Me - Thats' ok I didn't want one in the first place. I was

simply trying to comply with the courts order to get one
and I have done what the judge had told me to do. My a$
$ is covered bye.
I was ordered by the court to come back to court and

show a lisence to Judge Shultz. Shultz never did specify
what type of lisence that he had wanted me to obtain
and since the DMV had refused me a DL I went down to
the local gun shop and purchased a fishing lisence. I
showed up for court on a Friday and this is what
happened.
Me - (Thinking to myself) Umm court is closed on Friday,

oh dear what should I do?
Clerk - ( Court room door opens and out pops a humna

parasite) Can I help you sir?
Me - The court ordered me to appear on this day to

show the judge my lisence.
CC- You can show me.
Me- The order says to show the judge and not some
lowley court clerk.
CC - Damn it. You can show me the DL.

Me - Not gonna happen.
The bitch storms off and I quickley wrote up a sworn

affidaviate then had it signed by three of my pals, who
went to court with me that day. I filed the paper with
the court clerk and left the building. The story doesn't
end yet.
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09-30-2008 05:14 PM

duncan Judge Shultz later put out a bench warrant for my

Moderator arrest, but of course he had no home address and no
way to serve it. I later had to go to court to research a
Registered: Jul 2003 case file and was nabbed by the court house deputy.
Posts: 9017 Shultz sent me to jail for five days and it took three
deputies to pick me up and carry me to a patrol car.
While in jail I refused to submit to a mug shot and after
three days the jail house deputies were in tears.
They placed me in solitary confinement and refused to

give me any food. I would lay down on the floor with a
mattress with no blanket of pillow. While awake I would
nudge the jail cell door with my left foot and the noise of
it would reverberate throughout the jail house.
Some deputy would run over and yell.
"What the f&ck do you want?"
"I would like a bible to read."
"F&ck you."
The deputy would write me up. Like that made any

f8cking difference to guy doing five days in jail. What are
they gonna do take away my birthday? I don't even
have one.
This went on for three days and it drove the swine nuts.
They finally let me out and placed me upstairs with the
other victims of injustice and my fellow victims would
ask me if I was the guy who was banging on the cell
door.
Inmate - Were you the guy doing the bangdy bang on

the door.
Me- Yep
Inmate - You were driving them deputies nuts man.

Thye wanted to kill you man. Especially that big ugly
female bitch.
Me - The one with the wart on her nose?
Inmate - Yea man that one.
They let me out of jail a day early.

True stroy folks.
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09-30-2008 05:32 PM
duncan Armed & Dangerous: Militias take aim at the federal

Moderator government
Registered: Jul 2003 The ADL's report on Militias

Posts: 9017 Militias calling themselves Patriots, are being formed
across the state and are currently operating in
Lakewood, Longmont, Boulder, Greeley and Ft. Collins.
been a member of Pete Peters' LaPorte Church of Chirst,
a racist and anti-Semitic church that embraces the
ideology of the Chrisitian Identity Movement
This crap came out in the early part of 1994. The ADL
offers no source for this BS. The source for this was of
course the local copscum. I learned later that copscum
work closely with leftist groups like the ADL and the
SPLC, who in turn hire retired copscum to lie and do
other dirty deeds for them. The article never says when

I was a member or when I joined this church and

ignores the fact that I was a member of the local SDA
church in Ft. Collins and had been for seven years up
until the time Waco had occured and the SDA conference
was openly expressing their hatred of Kroesh and his
break away SDA church. You can read my thread on the
ADL.
I am not now nor have I ever been a member of any

racist church or the one run by "Peckerhead Peters" and
mentioned by the ADL.
I was the head of nothing and the leader of only myself.

Around the early part 1993 A small group of us met at a
local eatery called "Gabby's" located on north College
blvd in Ft. Collins and is now the location of a pawn shop
called Mister Pawn. We met, we ate and we discussed
the illegal nature of the Brady Bill and what the word
"militia' meant per the second amendment. The ATF and
local undercover copscum attended our meetings to spy
on us and they even had an incredible local a$$ wipe by
the name of Joe Stern in attendance to take notes. This
leftist peice of dung Stern, would fall asleep while taking
notes and he never could get the facts straight. We
ended these meetings at the point the eatry had shut its
doors in 1995 just prior to the OK City bombing. We had
no prior knowledge of the OK City bombing but it sure
got interesting after the bombing in regards to me.
"Militias ..... are being led by Duncan Philp ...." - ADL "
Oh, bull. Duncan Philp is not the leader of the Arizona
Militia." - Linda Thompson (so-called militia expert and
former member of the Communist Party) - Computer
print out as read on live radio by Lt. Col. Bo Gritz USA
retired.
More crap from the leftist crap meisters. I called the ADL
NYC office to complain and they had sent me a letter of
apology dated 12/12/94 and signed by Jill Kahn Meltzer,
Associate Director Legal Affairs Department.
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09-30-2008 06:03 PM
duncan The Radical Right

Moderator
'I'm known as part of the radical right. We believe we

Registered: Jul 2003 are responsible for our lives,' says Norm Reznick, radio
Posts: 9017 talk show host for KHNC AM 1360. Denver Post Steve
Lipsher 01/22/95
Norm was labled a militia member and an anti-semite by

the FBI, the ADL and Morris Dees of the Southern
Poverty Law Center. Norm died a few years back of
limphatic cancer he was a retired professor from the
University of Northern Colorado and he was an Orthodox
Jew.
Bob Glass of Paldin Arms in Boulder specializes in the

sale of military weapons and 'self defense weaponry'
Steve Lipsher Denver Post 01/22/95
Morris Dees had listed Palidin Arms as being affiliated

with Colorado Militas who are all anti-semetic. Bob is in
fact Jewish and lost several family members to the Nazi
Holocaust. His father was a WWII veteran, who flew
several misson over Nazi Germany to bomb the crap out
of the Nazi's. The Longmont PD under Police Chief Butler
has labled Glass a domestic terrorist and spent thousand
of dollars monitoring his store while he was in business.
Bob went out of business in 2001 due to the persecution

of the ATF and the Longmont PD and thanks to the gun

grabber Morris Dees and his lies about Glass. Bob is an
athiest and an anarchist and has little use for the right
wing tin foil crowd.
One night one of Bob's employees a guy by the name of

Andrew Wright had forgotton to lock the front door as he
was in a hurry to take his vacation. A passer by saw that
the front door was opened, yet no lights were on and no
one was in the store. He called the Longmont PD who
called out their entire SWAT team and they shut down
an entire city block. The SWAT team entered the
building and saw a figure in the dark squatted down an
all fours.
"Halt or we will shoot."
The dark figured remained motionless and said nothing.
"Get down on the ground and don't move."
The figure continued to remain in the same position and

never twitched and inch.
"Get down on your belly motherf*cker ot we will kill you."
"Someone turn the lights on."
"Oh **** its a f*cking dummy dressed up in camo."
"We almost killed a plastic dummy."
Duncan Duwane Philip, purported head of the Fort

Collins Patriot chapter, FBI intelligence says he's helping
Schlosser and others put together a handbook on
security issues and by-laws for the Colorado militia.
Stacy Baca and Steve Lipsher, Denver Post 01/22/95
We can se the FBI working well with the ADL to lie and
put out disinformation. I was the head of nothing and I
had no chapter of anything. I've never met Schlosser in
my life and I never worked with anyone to write a book.
I was never the member of the Colorado Militia or any
private militia. I will say that I am a member of the
militia of the second amendment, as are we all.
I had asked Baca to provide me with a copy of said

manual and she of course could not. I asked her were I
could get a copy of this militia handbook and of course

she didn't know. I then told her to print a retraction and

she refused. I called Lipsher and told him to print a
retraction and he agreed.
At the time of this story I was attending CSU as a full

time student. I would have NOT had the time to write
any book. I barely had the time to write term papers.
Contrary to information published in an FBI report on

patriot activities, Fort Collins patriot leader Duncan Philp
said yesterday he is not associated with the Colorado
Free Militia organizer John Schlosser. Philp denied that
he is working on a handbook for militia trianing.
01/23/95 Steve Lipsher Denver Post
Shortly after this story came out I was forced to

renounce my membership at the Ft. Collins SDA church.
I contiuned to be a libertarian and began to tire of the
tin foil crowd.
Although they never had a leader, Duncan Philp, a

former Coast Guard member acted as moderator for the
sessions. Philp is a CSU Poltical Science student, who
denies being part of a militia and describes himself as a
Libertarian. Fort Collins Traingle Review May 5, 1995
The OK City bombing of course happened the month

prior to this story and after the bobming I had recived
phone calls form the following news groups.
Denver Post
Rocky Mountain News
The Ft. Collins Coloradoan
ABC, NBC, CBS
TV Spain
The Washington Post and others
They all wanted to know what I had thought of the

bombing. I asked why they wanted to know my thoughts
on the subject. I was told that since I was the leader of
the Colorado Militia they should call upon me for my
thoughts. I told them that I was the leader of nothing
and that I thought it was wrong to kill innocent people
for the criminal acts of the ATF and the local copscum of

Waco, Texas. I told them that McViegh should have gone

after the ATF Nazi's, guys like Agent Petrelli, and killed
these scumbags for murdering the Branch Davidians.
They never did quote me. I guess they all figured that
since I was the leader of nothing and I was opposed to
the murder of innocent people then there was nothing to
write about in regards to me. Oh well, ya can't always
get yer name in the paper.
To this day it I find it f*cking amazing that so many

people, who are copscum and FBI scum, would give a
flying f8ck about what one guy thinks and says. Many
people hate my guts over things I've stated in life as if I
were a politician or some sort of celibrity figure that
could shut their **** down. If I had the power to shut
down the federal fascist today I would f*cking do it, but
I don't and I never did.
These statist p8gs have given me more credit than I

ever gave myself. I say alot of things and think nothing
of it the next day, but the copscum record my every
word and then run ot the media and others to show
them.
"Look Duncan called us copscum"
"We saw Duncan wearing a side arm at one of those

patriot meetings."
"He used the word 'nigger' one time, we heard him."
"He told our beloved fuherer Chief Harrison the F&CK

OFF!!!"
"He desecrated the US flag. And he told the Ft. Collins

VFW to eat **** and die for threatening his life over the
use of his flag."
Hey dumba$$es I'm not running for political office. I will

never write the great novel. I'm never going to get a
PHd. I'm never going to be a Hollywood movie star. I'm
not going to be the leader of the next American
Revolution. I'm not going to be martyr for another man's
cause. I'm just gonna be me and have some fun in the
process. I've never considered myself to be all that
important, but is been fun watching you idiot copscum
think that I am important.

What are you swine afriad of?
Duncan Philp, Political Agitator
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10-01-2008 05:05 PM
duncan Man threatens to sue over 'militia' label

Moderator
"A Fort Collins man Tuesday threatened to sue nationally

Registered: Jul 2003 known civil rights leader attroney Morris Dees, who calls
Posts: 9017 him a racist militia leader in his new book." "Dees could
not be reached for comment." Kevin Flynn Rocky
Mountain News 5/01/95
I went on the Bo Gritz radio show and later on Peter

Boyles radio show. To denounce Dees and his BS.
Hollenback, the guy who produces Boyles show, invited
me to speak on live radio and give me the chance to
debate Dees. Dees stated that he didn't even know who i
was and knew nothing aobut what he had written about
me in his book titled "Gahtering Storm: America's Militia
Threat". Dees folded like a cheap suit and quit the
debate prior to it even getting started.

False Patriots
"So it came as shock to Bob to see his Boulder gun

store, Paladin Arms, listed in active "Patriot group", after
more than 50 pages warn against the danger of hate-
filled, racist, anti-semitic Patriot groups.""I'm Jewish, for
God's sake." Glass says indignantly. "How can I be anti-
semetic?""Morris Dees, whose name appears on "False
Patriots" ( Klann Watch magazine), was quick to deny
his involvement with it. "I don't have anything to do with
that book." he said." Wayne Laugesen, Boulder Weekly
May 2, 1996
Shazaam and Bubba Dees was busted. Even though his

name appears on the front cover of the magazine titled
"False Patriots" and his book on Militias he never did
write it. The crap was written by a copscum name of Joe
Roy and he got his bullsh8t form the Ft. Collins PD, the
Larmier County SO and the Denver FBI. Bent on
destroying my life with their lies the local copscum ate
crow when this story came out.
Were is that swine Godslop when you need to expose his

crap on the net?
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10-01-2008 05:32 PM
liberranter Re: The Radical Right

Super Moderator
quote:
What are you swine afriad of?
Duncan Philp, Political Agitator

Posts: 5865 Swine and their handlers are afraid of anyone who
expresses an idea or opinion contrary to the party
line. Why? Because ideas based on respect for life,
liberty, and property, ideas based on logic and
reason catch on like wildfire when expressed in
terms that the common man understands. Too much
exposure to such ideas and they might be taken to
heart by the masses. Once that happens the
dictatorship of the special interests that rules
Amerika with an iron fist is effectively over. That's
why the British Raj in India so violently persecuted
Mahatma Gandhi and his followers - to no avail, of
course.
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that too.
10-01-2008 05:53 PM
duncan Ciming Out Day met with protest on plaza

Moderator
"Duncan Philp, a libertarian, chose to be heard. "You're

Registered: Jul 2003 so morally superior - you hate'" he yelled during
Posts: 9017 someone's (queers) testimoney." "I sit down there at the
non-traditonal student office, which is right next door to
the homosexual office, and every day I hear this "hate
Christians, .... hate Reupublicans", Philp said of the Gay
Lesbian Alliance." Wade Olson, Collegian 10/12/95
I spent most of my spare time while attending CSU

defending free speech from the campus administration,
the CSUPD, the campus queers and believe it or not the
campus news paper. The campus left was out to get
anyone who dare to challenge them on their BS of
diversity and muliticulturalism. The theme of the campus
admin was to respect the diversity and differences of
others unless you are a white, male who also happens to
be a heterosexual.
I was so disgusted by the hypocricy of the left that I

started my very own student organization and dubbed it
Student Advocacy for the Politically Incorrect aka SAPI.
My cohorts were Andrew Long, his wife Becky Reiswig
and a graduate student, whom I had know for years, Pat
Mahoney was the groups sponsor. Since CSU and the
Universities Black Prez "Uncle Tom" Yates were all into
diversity and openess, then we felt that there would not
be probelm with having the campus 'anarchists' come
out of the closet to express our diversity. Nothing was
taboo for SAPI.
The queers were besides themselves with hatred for our

organization. Anyone one who happen to disagree with
them was labeled a 'hate monger' or a 'homophobe'. To
this day I have no idea what a homophobe is exactly. I
figured that I must have scared the sh8t out of the fags,
when I challenged their double standards, that they

must have all been 'heterophobes'.
In my reasearch of the ADL and the SPLC I had learned

that these scumbags were the originators of the "stop
the hate' movement, which was nothing more than a
cover for imposing 'thought control' and a method by
which to get even with the right to include libertarians
and anarchists alike. Bubba Dees as it turns out is a
flaming queer and the very reason his former wife
Maureen Bass divorced him. She had discovered Dees in
an apartment room in the DC area having oral sex with a
queer, who was at the time the director of the National
Endowment for the Arts. the queer in question was a
guy by the name of Mr. Springerman, the guy who gave
us that fine form of art in which a crucifix was placed
upside down in a jar of urine and paid for with your tax
dollars. How lovely, how noble a cause, how much BS
can one gorup of people pile onto society?
When you lie and call a man a neo-nazi do you do so

because you love him? Of course not, you would lie
about other people because you hate them all. The ADL
and Morris Dees, HATE !!!!!anyone who who isn't a
godless pagan and anyone who isn't an communist.
It should be noted that Bubba Dees is proud member of

a leftist church called the Unitarian Church. A church
that is no better or worse than that of the Christian
Identity Church.
The real fun was about to begin.
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10-02-2008 03:13 PM
duncan Stundents poster the focus on Waco fallout

Moderator
"To bring this message to a broader audience, a
Registered: Jul 2003 Colorado State University student who identifies himsef
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado only as "Citizen Kane" spent Thursday evening placing
Posts: 9017 posters in various locations on campus that showed an
ATF agent in riot gear and a caption underneath stating
"Trust me! I'm from the federal and I'm here to HELP
you." Beneath this intended irony read the words
"REMEMBER WACO" Maria Melendez, Collegian 4/22/96
This would have been SAPI's very first act of expressing

our diversity on campus. And oh my were the CSUPD out
to get little old me for having comitted such an awful
thing as to express my freedom of speech on their
campus. The copscum actually felt that CSU was thier
very own f8cking campus and that they had the right to
decide who could stay and who should be removed from
their f8cking campus. Mostly it was one fat a$$ by the
name of Bob Chaffee and this copster never even
attended CSU much less graduated from MY school.
That's right Bob, CSU is MY school and I will decide when

I will go there and when I will leave. My own father
graduated from CSU in 1964, his younger sister along
with her husband graduated from CSU in the early 70's,
my first cousin in the early 80's and myself in the year
2000. My own grandfather volunteered his time freeley
at CSU to teach South American students how to speak
English. So go f8ck yourself Bob.
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10-02-2008 03:28 PM
duncan Some time in early May of '96, my pal and SAPI cohort
Moderator Andy had approached me to tell me about a recent
experience he had with a certian student copster.
Registered: Jul 2003 According to Andy the campus cop in question had
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado offered to show Andy a secret memo in regards to me.
Posts: 9017
The memo stated that "Duncan Philp is the leader of the
Colorado White Patriot Militia and that he is considered
to be armed an dangerous." The little wannabe copster
then tore up the memo and told my pal to watch out for
me.
"This same police officer also informed me that the

poster's Duncan Philip was circulating were being
gahtered up and forwarded to the FBI." Sworn affidaviat
of Andrew K. Long notarized and dated on May 15, 1996.
And as the copscum were tearing down my posters I

would simply put up new ones the next morning. This
little copscum caper was designed to intimidate me into
leaving MY campus. Never happened. I simply filed a
complaint with the Ombudsman's office and later had a
sit down meeting in his office with the CSUPD Chief
Donn Hopkins and after I got through calling him out on
his BS he would later apologize and on Novemeber 6th,
1996 I was sent a letter of apology.
"I want to extend my sincere apology to you regarding a

remark made by a CSUPD officer ..... . The remark was
inappropiate and is inconsitent with the values of this
department." - Donn Hopkins

The act was not inconsistent with the nature of fat boy
Bob Chaffee. This peice of sh*t was looking to make a
name for himself and looking for a coveted promotion,
which he had been longing for over the years, and he
was trying to use me as a way to achieve his goals.
Chalk one up for the Dunkman.
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10-02-2008 04:29 PM

duncan Police aren't worth a damn, 'harassed' student

Moderator says
Registered: Jul 2003 "Philp, 39, is a Colorado State University political science
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado student, former Coast Guard member and construction
Posts: 9017 worker who said he didn't have a political bone in his
body until ten years ago. A series of incidents where the
police mistakenly shot and killed civilians sparked his
interest and his anger, he said. Kerry Pohlman, Collegian
10/23/96
The harrsement of me by the CSUPD and copscum like

Officer Childress would conintue. Childress's ugly
comments about me in this acticle netted him squat and
it actually helped to vindicate me. Not your campus
Childress and you will never decide when I can and can't
do as I please at CSU.
Hilter poster misses the point
"I find it appauling that as I walk across campus the

other day, my view was graced with a picture of Adolph
Hitler plastered against the Clark building." "This flier
was produced by an organization called Jews for the
Preservation of Firearms Ownership. It is an
advertisement to sell targets with the likeness of Hitler
on them to take to the shooting range and blow apart.
To say the least I was mortified." - Cathrine Reinert
Collegian letter to the editor 10/29/96
Cathrine here was a member of the campus ADL aka

Hillel. She was upset to see a picture of Hilter and then it
upset her even more the learn that it was a pistol target
of Adolph. Unf8cking real. She was upset to see what
she thought was a JDL flyer and flyer that would suggest
the fact that many other Jews own guns and a flyer that
suggest the fact that the ADL DOES NOT represent the
views of all Jewish Americans. The left wing 'thought
cop' Cathrine wanted my flyers removed from campus.
In her letter she goes onto admit that like Hilter she is in
favor of gun control which of course is the public agenda
of the ADL and the SPLC. Cathrine found that she
couldn't deal with the issues of gun control being the act
of fascists.
Hilter poster protected - if distasteful- free speech

"I saw the poster about a month ago on a cork board

just below Hillel's (CSU's a Jewish student organization)
nameplate. When I first saw the picture of Hitler
standing there I was furious. ... After reading the poster
throughly, I, like Reinert, saw that this was actually an
advertisement for the Jews for Preservation of Firearms
ownership." - Rich Zekman president of the campus
Hillel, Collegian letter to the editor 10/31/96
Rich went on to defend the first amendment. I guess he

thought otherwise of my posters.
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10-02-2008 05:11 PM

liberranter quote:
Super Moderator
Police aren't worth a damn,

'harassed' student says.
...
The harrsement of me by the CSUPD

and copscum like Officer Childress
would conintue. Childress's ugly
Registered: Jun 2005 comments about me in this acticle
Location: Tucson, AZ netted him squat and it actually
Posts: 5865
helped to vindicate me. Not your
campus Childress and you will never
decide when I can and can't do as I
please at CSU.
I think we can reasonably conclude that being a

"campus cop" is about one quarter of a step up from
being a mall security guard. IOW, campus "police
forces" are, by and large, staffed by retarded
scumbags unfit even to be lowly coptards in a
municiple PD.
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that too.

10-02-2008 05:53 PM
duncan There were a couple of other CSUPD copscum

Moderator encounters that had occurred to me prior to the
Collegian story in regards to me being harassed by them.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado The first one involved a so-called traffic stop. The best
Posts: 9017 way to get around campus was by way of bicycle and as
a result of using a slow going bike one can often get in
hurry so as to not be late for class. I would some times
drive through a STOP sign, but slow down when doing
so. One day I did just that and a CSU porker, who was
hiding behind a storage bldg locate in the NW corner of
the campus and just north of the tennis courts behind
the student rec-center, had nabbed me.
He ordered me to stop and so I did. he then asked for

my student ID and I didn't have it on me. He asked me
for my name and I gave it to him and he then asked me
for my SS# and I refused to give it to him. After giving
him my name his hands suddenly began to shake and he
again demanded my SS#. I refused. The guy went nuts
and began screaming at me. He then used his radio and
called dispatch to get my student ID #. He got it and
wrote that down as my SS#. I took the the ticket and
went on about my business.
The ticket instructed me to appear in front of a LAWYER,

in a room located inside the Lory Student Center. I
showed up for my trial only to discover that there was
No court, No jury, No witnesses, NO judge, No DA and
no court clerk. It was nothing more than a Kangaroo
court in which some local attorney was present to find
you guilty even if you were innocent.
Shyster - And you are?
Me - Duncan Philp
Shyster - shuffle shuffle Oh yes, you received a ticket for

running a STOP sign on your bicycle. How do you plead?
Me - I ain't pleaden nothing.

Shyster- Why not?
Me- Because for one you're not a judge, this isn't a court
room and you have no cop here as a witness for the
state. What we have here is a violation of my right to
Due Process and a possible lawsuit if I am refused a fair
trial.
Shyster - Ummm and I see what you mean. Case

dismissed. Have a nice day Mr. Philp.
Me - You have a nice day as well.
Chalk up another one for the Dunkman.
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10-03-2008 06:01 PM

duncan Hey life is just to short to kiss the man's a$$.

Moderator
Me second encounter was based on the same issue of
Registered: Jul 2003 trying to class on time on my bike. I was nearly made it
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado when six student cops stopped me for riding my bike
Posts: 9017 through the plaza.
SC - Stop Sir.
Me - Me?
SC - Yes you.
Me- What do you need.
SC - I'm stopping you because you have ridden your

bike into a dismount zone.
Me- Yea so? I don't see any pedestrians laying on the

street with injuries as a result of my not dismounting.
SC - Be that at is may you are going to get a ticket. I

need your DL.
Me- Not giving you one.
SC - I need your name then.
Me - Not giving you that either.
SC - Why not?
Me - Show me the law that requires me to do so and I

might do it.
SC- I don't know the law. You're so smart you tell me

the law.
SC - I'm not the cop enforcing the law, you are.

( Remember I'm dealing with a wannabe cop who just
got out of high school)) He calls in for back up and three
regular or rather three tax consuming swine to assist
him
CSUP- What seems to be the problem here?
SC - He refuses to ID himself.
CSUP - I see, why are you refusing to give him your

name?
Me - Is there a law that requires me to do so?
CSUP - Yes there is.
Me - Show me.
CSUP - F*ck you just do as you are told. Are you even a
student here?
Me - I don't need to be a student to walk onto this

campus, but I am a student here.
CSUP - Yes you do need to be a student to walk onto

public property. (Keep in mind that he is a high school
dropout and the reason he's a copster.)
Other cop runs to Morgan Library to get a copy of the

state statutes. He then returns to read the law to me.
But what he reads to me had nothing to do with the
issue at hand and so NO there was No law at that time
which required me to give him my name.
CSUP- Are you gonna give us your name?
Me- Nope.
CSUP - Grab him and search his back pack for ID.
They grabbed me, cuffed me and stole my back pack

only to pilfer through it. They made me stand there and
in the mean time class was letting out and hundreds of
other students were walking by looking curiously at me
and the copscum. I started yelling.
Me - Look what they do to a guy for riding his bike

through the plaza. Such a serious crime.
CSUP- Shut the f*ck up.
Me - Hey look everyone. The cops will bust you for riding
bike in to a dismount zone.
CSPU- Get a patrol car over hear and get him in it to

shut him up.
A small Jeep shows up and pulls up next to were I am

standing. They open the back door and order me to get

in the back. With my hands cuffed I am unable to

comply so they try to shove me in the back and twist my
hip in the process. They pull me away from the Jeep and
order me to sit on the wet ground. I refuse to sit on the
wet ground and tell them that have injured my hip to
the point that I will have to go to the hospital.
CSUP - If we call an ambulance you will pay for it.
Me- Wrong. I am in your custody so you or your

department will be made to pay for it all.
An ambulance shows up and we ALL take a trip to

Poudre Valley Hospital. Three CSUPD cars follow the
ambulance to the hospital.
Ambulance driver - You be a real hard core criminal?

What did you do?
Me - I rode my bike into a dismount zone.
We arrive at PVH and they then take me into the

emergency room.
Nurse - Why are you handcuffed to the gurney.
Me - I'm a bad man.
Nurse - What did you do sir?
Me - I rode my bike through the plaza on campus.
Nurse - ( She shooked her head and looked perplexed)

Yer kidding me?
Me - Nope. I'm a bad dude lady don't mess with me.
Nurse - Laugh
CSUP - I want your address Duncan.
Me- Don't have one.
CSUP- Give me your f*cking address.
Me - Eat me.
Porkey writes in the address of the county jail house and

orders me to sign it. I refuse and he throws the ticket at
me.

The cops all leave. the doctor comes in and gives me a

script for pain killers and I leave. I go back to school and
back to classes.
I later went to a real court and paid the fine. The

copsters paid for my ambulance ride, my hospital visit
and my pain killers.
Who do you think won this round and paid the most
money for the crime of riding a bike into a 'dismount'
zone?
Chalk up yet another one for the Dunkman.
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10-03-2008 06:41 PM

duncan Freedom School

Moderator
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_School
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_LeFevre
Freedom School was the off spring of one Robert

LeFevre who had died in 1986.
LeFevre favored the abolition of the state but used the

term "autarchism" (self government) to describe his
politics, to distinguish it from anarchism. In part this was
because of the association of anarchism in the public eye
with violence, but LeFevre did not consider himself an
anarchist, and in his "LeFevre Commentaries" bluntly
stated that he was not an anarchist.
Actually he was an anarchist but soon dicovered that the

word 'anarchy' would tend to turn people away from his
teachings. Abolition of the state = anarchy.
While attending CSU my good friend Chris Bracken had

invited me to attend a seminar being hosted by Kevin
Cullinane, who had been one of the many past protege's
of LeFerve. Kevin was a graduate of the University of
South Carolina and after graduating he was approached
by the CIA to join the USMC to recieve an officers
commission and then work with the fed to destroy
communism in North Vietnam. After completion of the
USMC boot camp and OSC trianing Kevin was shipped off
the Phillipines to work for the CIA and to conduct psych-
warfare on the commies in North Vietnam. Kevin had
access to classified documents which disclosed the
movements of US naval ships in the area and he
discovered that these movements were sometimes
geared towards allowing Standard Oil Companies oil
tankers safe access to and from North Vietnamese ports.
Ummm.
Kevin became confused and later disgusted by the

military and he began to ask questions as to why the US
was in Vietnem. Kevin would copy everything that came
across his desk and secretly hide it away. Kevin took his
one month vacation from active duty and he would
never return again to serve the CIA or the USMC. He
was sent a stern letter by the fed to return to duty or be
charged with the crime of being AWOL while the nation

was at war. Kevin sent a letter back stating that if he

was charged he would send all secret documents in his
possesion to ABC, CBS and NBC. Kevin later recieved
one last letter from the USMC, which had included his
Honorable Discharge and a nice letter thanking him for
his service to his nation.
http://www.freedommountainacademy.com/fmahistory.
html
After serving four years as a marine infantry officer,

Kevin Cullinane moved with his wife to a run-down farm
in northern Idaho in search of a wholesome, safe
environment in which they could raise and home-school
their five young children.
I guees the states cannonfodder of the VFW DO NOT

represent all of us veterans. Kevin never does a pledge
of allegiance to any kind of flag much less the US flag of
imperialism. Kevin goes around the country teaching
Freedom or what I like to call Anarchy101. Kevin would
lecture philosophy to those people who worked for Roger
Milliken. (Today Milliken & Co. is the largest private
textile firm in the world.)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Milliken
http://www.freedommountainacademy.com/code.html
"Our goal at Freedom Mountain Academy is to reawaken

your sons' or daughters' love of learning, untapped
potential for creative and analytical thought, and the
belief in themselves they once held as little children.
Through the structure of our academic program,
combined with the hours of time available for thinking
"the long, long thoughts of youth," FMA students can
become reflective, rather than reactive, thinkers.
Classroom studies then lead naturally to the thinking
skills required in mountaineering and search-and-rescue
training. Students are able to connect with, and build on,
ideas presented in the classroom through experiences
gained in the mountains and on the farm."
I got more out of Kevin's two weeks worth of seminar

than I ever got out of my seven years at CSU.
Etymology and Writing Skills expand students'

vocabulary, in turn increasing their ability to think in a

more articulate way. Students discover that words are
primary building blocks of thought, and the more specific
and precise their words are, the more precise their
thinking and resulting conclusions will be.
Thinking outside the box. Never believe anything a

statist employee or statist poltician will tell you. Cops
are not here to protect you or your property, they exist
for only one reason and that of course would be to keep
the state machine running at all cost. The cop creedo
"The ends justifies the means.", meaning that copscum
will break the law and violate the Bill of Rights in order
to impose an illegal dictum and to jusitify a need for
their parasitical profession.
I have met no man or woman who could argue

intelligently with Kevin and his wife Patricia. Copscum
cannot deal with logic and reasoning. A forced service is
not a service at all, but the purest form of fascism. If
copscum had to abide by the BOR they would have no
reason to exist as a profession. Cops don't protect
freedom, they work to destroy it.
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10-05-2008 02:12 PM
duncan I also got a dose of a thing we called "Law School" as

Moderator taught by Dr. Jeff Mitchner. Jeff died about ten years
ago and I have no link to any sort of website. There
Registered: Jul 2003 were many others teaching people how to fight the MAN
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado in court. People like George Gordon.
Posts: 9017
http://www.georgegordon.org/
George Gordon is the nation's foremost teacher of pro se

courtroom strategy and procedure, a pioneer who taught
himself the ins and outs of defending himself in court
when Big Brother put him out of business. He is an
author, lecturer, father and former corporate president.
In 1979, he created Barrister's Inn in Boise, Idaho to
teach civil law and courtroom strategy and procedure. In
1985, he moved to Isabella, Missouri, and created
George Gordon's School of Law, which has been a leader
in teaching individuals to successfully represent
themselves in the civil court system.
George use to put out a monthly periodical titled

"Barristers Inn School of Common Law", which was
given to me by another anarchist named Charles Curley.
So the copscum and the ADL have lied about this liberty
movement being the spawn of the scum like Pete Peters.
Peters and his drones have never had an original
thought in his entire pathetic lives. Identity pukes steal
the ideas of others and claim them as thier own
invention. But the left or rather the closet communists
like Morris Dees and his ilk would perfer to lie to the
public and convince then that the notion of travleing with
out a DL or an ID is the concept of neo-nazi's. How
****ing absurd to suggest that liberty and freedom are
the mantels of fascism.
The copscum of course would never deal with the facts

behind the issue of right to travel vs privilege, because
they would soon be out of a job if they had to accept
these facts. Who would extort your money from you,
which is needed to support the state, if the cops quit?
Come on now, how does having a DL decrease traffic
accidents? How is having a LP a detrement to drunk
driving? Why charge people every year for an LP
registration? A one time fee for a one time plate is all
that is required. Who the **** are you cops jerking off?

I called Gordon's teaching 'mental kung fu' and it would

drive the copscum nuts. Trust me folks when I tell you
that the copsuckers have spent millions of your tax
dollars to study people like me and this liberty in
movement. They have had seminars on the very topic of
traveling without a DL and not paying income taxes.
Once the cops think that they have it all down pat, we
then change the rules of the game, we change the
rhetoric we use, we control the situation, we control the
television screen, we are the Twilight Zone for you
copscum.
George's experience over the years includes six cases of

his that have gone to the U.S. Supreme Court and
numerous others that have gone the distance in various
state or federal courts. These have ranged from custody
cases involving grandparents' rights, through Title 42
suits over civil rights violations by local or state
authorities (one of which was even settled in gold), to
cases on personal status. Some have even affected
national courtroom procedure such as Gordon v. Idaho,
778 F2d 1397, in which the Federal 9th Circuit Court of
Appeals ruled that an individual no longer has to take an
oath or affirmation in court, if his reason for not taking it
is based on the fact that the Bible (which they so kindly
provide for you to swear on) says that you shouldn't
swear oaths. If you add in the cases where students of
his were parties to the action, the number goes into the
hundreds, if not the thousands. Many questions as to an
individual's status and his relationship with various
governmental bodies have first been answered in cases
involving George or his students.
Feel free to waste your time copsters and remember

who controls the viewing screen.
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10-05-2008 02:36 PM
duncan CSU's idea of Diversity was to make sure that only the
Moderator left had a voice in the campus rag. Everyone else was
f*cked.
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado "...., diversity is in the mind, not in the color of ones
Posts: 9017 skin. You mistakenly believe, like many liberals, that if
everyone's a different color than you then there must be
diversity. WRONG! True diversity is about ideas and
ways of thinking, and about exploring those ideas with a
sincere desire to extract and implement those deemed
best suited for mankind's betterment. It does not matter
whether the idea orginates with a white man or a black
woman." Andrew Long, Student Advocacy for the
Poltically Incorrect. Collegian letter to the editor 2/3/97
Why is it that the Collegian has so many left-wingers as

opinion columinsts and only one coservative columinst?"
Andrew Long, Student Advocacy for the Poltically
Incorrect. Collegian letter to the editor 2/3/97
Never argue logically with a leftist it will give him/her a

f*cking headache. After this one came out Andy would
be labled a white hate monger by the radical left on
campus. He did how ever manage to guilt them into
giving him his own weekly editoral column and he ran
with it for over two years. We had a voice, but only
because we forced the issue of what diversity should be
and not what is was at CSU prior to the appearance of
SAPI.
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10-05-2008 07:52 PM
duncan By 1997 I felt it was time for a pay back and I was
Moderator working to get a Militia leader on campus. Since the
swine were all determined to make me out to be a
Registered: Jul 2003 leader of the imagined 'White Patriot Militia" then why
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado not feed their paranoia on the subject by inviting one to
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speak at CSU. CSUPO Chaffee ate it up like a dog
sucking down an egg. The campus Hillel jumped right on
it and showed everyone how they could hate free speech
and anyone related to the militia movement.
John Trochmann is coming to town Monday, and he

brings with him the disease of the militia movement. The
only cure for this moral repugnace is for decent people
to stand up to denounce these ideals. There is no room
for negotation; the whole movement is far worse for
America than the state of Government is. Anonymous,
letter to the editor Collegian 4/4/97
Free speech and the second amendment are repugnant?

To a fascist yes, but to a freedom loving people? We can
safely assume that this guy is either a communist or a
fascist. No room for diversity and no room to discuss the
issues surrounding the militia movement of the 1990's.
Waco was ok with this a$$hole. There ya have it folks,
diversty for this a$$hole and f8ck everyone else.

I didn't invite Trochmann because he is a pillar of the

community or because he thinks he's a great scholar and
trust me he ain't. I invited him for three reasons.
1. To see if CSU and the campus left are really about

diversity and we discovered what a bunch of hyprocrites
these people really are.
2. To discuss the many issue behind the militia

movement of the 1990's i.e. Waco and Ruby Ridge.
3. To give the campus a black eye and feed those fools

with the CSUPD what they really wanted.
Mr. Anonymous wanted to shut down my event and

asked that any students who were opposed to Trochman
show up for the event to protest it. This whole letter to
the editor thing was a CSUPD ploy to shut the whole
thing down. Chief Hopkins had threatened to shut it
down because he "THOUGHT" that it might get out of
hand and could possibly become violent. He could say
this crap with knowledge about all the past dickheads
who have come to speak at CSU over the past 100 years
of this schools existence and think that we were going to
buy any of his crap? Jeeeeesus, a guy by the name of
Lincoln Rockwell, the founder of the amerikan neo-nazi
movement had spoke at CSU and did the then CSUPD
give a flying crap then? No. At the very least Hopkins
and Chaffee were both hoping to scare off any and all
interest in the event. It never happened. I smply told
them that if they shut down my event I will get the ACLU
involved and they of course folded like a cheap suit.
We held the event on April 7, 1997and inside the theatre

of the Lory Student Center at CSU. All seven hundred
seats were full, we had a packed house. SAPI's mentor,
Pat Mahoney, went behind the theatre and into the
green room, located underneath the theatre, and what
should he happen to find? None other than Bob Chaffee
and his fellow thugs with eaves dropping devices, spying
on the attendees of our event. Spying on CSU students
to see who he could add to his eniemes list. WOW!!!! It
must have come as a great disappointment for Chaffee
to later learn that other than Trochmann no one in
attendance was a member of any private militias.
SAPI had made the big time, the RMN's, the Denver

Post, all the Denver TV news channels and even the

national press was covering our event. Trochmann spoke
and students got to ask him questions and not one and I
mean not one bad incident had occured during the entire
event. Mr. Anonymous didn't even show up with his
imaginary crew to protest our event.
My thoughts on Trochmann? The guy is full of sh8t. In

his presentation he posted a picture of tractor trialer
hauling a Russian Army tank down a major US highway.
He then stated "See look the UN is bringing in the
Russian Army to round up Americans and place them
concentration camps." He then showed us a picture of a
flat bed train car hauling several armored personel
carriers with the UN logo on the sides of them and
stated "Look see what I mean?"
The Tanks in question were army surplus being

purchased by collectors of military stuff from former
eastern block nations who needed the money to support
their newly formed governments. This ain't rocket
science people. Why would the US military need any
Russian and or UN military equipment to round us up
when they have plenty of their own right here in this
country? And it never happened did it? That's not to say
it can't happen, but why lie when there is no reason to
lie unless the person lying has a hidden agenda?
Trochmann does in fact have a hidden agenda i.e. he is
one of those Christian Identity Nazi's that I have spoken
of.
Would you rather have the Nazi's out in the open so as

to ID them and later be able to shoot them down before
they shoot you down should an event occur in the not to
distant future? Or would you rather they all slither under
some rock and come out at night to bite you in the a$$
later? By bringing this fool Trochmann out from under
his rock and allow everyone in attendance grill him and
to see that he is full of crap. It's called DIVERSITY!!!!!
And what did Andy talk about in his letter to the editor?
To discuss openly and decide for oursleves what is for
the betterment of mankind and Trochmann ain't what's
better for me and neither is the police state under thugs
like Chaffee.
Inviting some guy to speak at a major University does

not mean that I like the guy or support what he has to

say. I took a few classes on Communism does that make

me a Communist? Nope. I listened to a black man speak
at a seminar about "Wounded Knee II" does that make
me a member of AIM? Nope.
CSU got a dose of DIVERSITY from SAPI and I got my

pay back.
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10-05-2008 08:46 PM
duncan WACO!!!!!! The Rules of Engagement

Moderator
"A film about the Branch Davidians siege might be

Registered: Jul 2003 politically incorrect. But that's why Andrew Long is
Posts: 9017 helping to bring it here." Kevin Duggan, Coloradoan
10/12/97
The movie "Waco, The Rules of Engagement," will be

shown on the CSU campus at 6pm Monday and Tuesday
in the engineering auditorium, room E-100 of the
Engineering Building Kevin Duggan, Coloradoan 10/12/97
"SAPI President Andrew Long said, "in the past, when we

brought up the issue of Waco, it was hushed. It was not

an issue the admninistration and the faculty wanted to

discuss." Matthew Garrington, Collegian 10/97
"We want to help present the other side. Whether or not

I agree with it or our members agree is immaterial." said
Long. "If that had been 83 comunists or 83 muslims,
people would have been outraged." Matthew Garrington,
Collegian 10/97
This would be SAPI next event and this time we would

recived NO crap from the CSUPD. But we would get crap
from the states ACLU chapter out of Denver. Imagine
that.
Colorado ACLU member threatens student
The ACLU member was angered because CSU's SAPI

group printed flyers listing the ACLU event as a sponsor
for Mike McNulty's controversial film on the Waco
incidnet." Matthew Garrington, Collegian 11/4/97
"The civil liberties advocate argued that the ACLU had

given no permission to be a listed sponsor. He was
furious with SAPI's supposed misrepresentation of the
ACLU. "He wanted the organization folded," Griffith said.
(Peggy Griffith director of CSU's Lory Student
Centercenter) Matthew Garrington, Collegian 11/4/97
"Late last spring, the Fort Collins ACLU chapter viewed

Waco: The Rules of Engagement." The response was
overwhelmingly positive from the chapter, and the group
found no qualms with sponsorship." Matthew Garrington,
Collegian 11/4/97
The state chapter of course refused to support free

speech and the film. But then I never asked them for the
support in the first place. I am the guy who had founded
the Ft. Collins chapter and I spoke with the then director
of the Ft. Collins ACLU chapter David Lipp and he
endorsed the film after reviewing it.
Jim Joy, the Denver ACLU director, and his fellow leftists
looked mighty stupid after this story had come out in
November.
Another SAPI success, we saw around five hundred

people show up for this one over the two days of

showing the film and it went off without a hitch.
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duncan To fee or not to fee: CSU students should decide

Moderator
Re: The Oct. 29 letter from ASCSU senators concerning Andrew Long's
Registered: Jul 2003 attitude toward the coervcive fee extorted from the student body of
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado this campus by ASCSU that is used for the purpose of imposing their
Posts: 9017 limited agenda on others.
It appears to me that these folks just don't seem to get the point Long
was trying to make, is that many students like myself, are sick and
tired of paying for someone else's agenda, and the fact is groups like
SOGLB (CSU queers) have recieved more than their fare share of My
money to further their own cause.
The people who signed the letter have made a febble attempt to
discredit Long. Why? Becuase the concept of a "waivable fee" and
allowing the students the right to choose what servcies they will and
won't pay for scares the hell out of them. A "waivable fee" will in fact,
show that ASCSU does not have the support of the student body.

What these anti-choice collectivists are really saying is that they know
what is best for you and that ASCSU only needs you to pay for the
agenda of people like "eco-terrorist" Dave Foreman. (Steel spike in
the trees which killed several loggers in the NW states.)
"Our money ( a mere $7.40 per semester) goes and awfully long way
to enhance our lives on campus", reads a quote from the anti-choice
faction, columnist Tess Pierce. Our money? Interesting twist in logic
that it was my money before the collectivist p*gs extorted form me.
Stealing a "mere $7.40" out of my pocket does nothing to enhace my
life.
That "mere $7.40" has now gone up to $337.56 per semester and
$337.56 X 10 semesters is equal to $3,375.60. WOW!!! I could have
bought four acres of prime forest land for the "eco-terrorist" Foreman
to shove his spikes into. Or better yet, I could use that $3,375.60 to
pay for needed things like tuition, books, rent, food, gas, etc. But do
control freaks like Pierce care about the needs of a mere student such
as myself? No. They're only interested in stealing my money to
enhance their own lives.
Look for the waivable fee issue" on the April '98 ballot. Oppose the
"collective" and vote "YES". If you agree with my postion and would
like to help, please contact "The Impoverished Students" of CSU at
962-1066. Duncan Philp, Political Science/ History Senior 11/97
Just a tad over the top, but I was more interested in the principle of
the issue rather than the amount of money involved. The arguements
used to steal our wealth unsually involve false appeals to pity and
emotion and now the socialists have taken a new twist by claiming
that the theft of our wealth will serve to enhance our lives.
The student fees being imposed on the students were going to pay for
crap like the city of Ft. Collins bus system, which is a service that the
vast majority of students never used. The student rec-center, even
though most students were members of local private health clubs. And
used to support the agenda of left wing campus organizations like
SOGLB. If a group wants to exist on its own, fine do so, but not on the
backs of the very people whom they depise.
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10-05-2008 09:57 PM
duncan The summer of 1997 saw a major flood go down in Ft. Collins, which
Moderator had destroyed many of the campus buildings from the ground level to
the basements. All the buildings around the Administration Oval or the
Registered: Jul 2003 original part of the campus were hit really hard.
Posts: 9017 As I was driving to campus and listening to the radio I heard the news
that all of CSU was shut down due to the recent flood. The only good
part of it was that the CSUPD office got hit and much of Chaffee's
personal belongings were soaked.
I couldn't get into the basment of the Lory Student Center. I was
renting a small locker that housed not only my texts for my summer
classes, but my news clippings that I have been using to post all of
my chronicles on this webiste with. I had to wait a couple days and
when I tried to get in I was refused. I noticed crews of people going in
and out of the Center with black garbage bags. I grabbed a garbage
bag, walked in with a crew of people and made a bee line for my
locker. I opened up by locker and loaded everything into the garbage
bag and walked right out.
It took three days for my stuff the dry out and one of my text books
was trashed from water damage. But I was able to salvage my note
book of news clippings. The Waco clippings still have sand on the
pages. hehehehehehe
The campus is in the middle of a flood plian and the city would see a
flood of major porportions every fifty years or so. CSU had seen the
exact same size flood in the early 1950's which had destroyed the
buildings around the Oval. So who's fault was it? The state
government's fault of course and why would they care since they
didn't have to foot the bill?
The University Library was being remodeled prior to the flood and
90% of all the library texts were in the basement when the flood hit.
Prior to the flood the CSU library was ranked 100th in comparison to
the other major univesities for their research collection. After the flood
CSU had no ranking. To this day CSU has no ranking the students do
most of their research via the internet.
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duncan The CSU Chalk Wars of '99

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The time to finally graduate form CSU was nigh upon both myself and
Registered: Jul 2003 my pal Andy. We had decided to make our last year count by
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado defending free speech from the campus left and the campus copscum.
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During the early part of '99 the campus queers had secretly gone out
onto campus late one night to chalk stuff like "I hate queers", "No
room for fags" and other fun stuff. The following morning the campus
rag did a story on the chalkings and prentended that it was a hate
crime comitted by unknown parties who hate queers. The campus
lefties were outraged and demanded that 'hate' chalking be outlawed
and anyone caught chalking 'hate speech' be prosecuted by the
campus copscum.
The left wing fascist would have gotten their way if not for SAPI going
into action to defend free speech.
Freedom of speech encouraged
To the Editor:
Sometimes I like to chalk stuff on the plaza; stuff like :"I hate
fascists" or "F&ck the CSU Thouhgt Police," or maybe "F*ck the
Thought Control Officer Chaffee". But according to the CSU "Thought
Control Division", this sort of conduct could be deemed a "hate
crime.".
".... the large majority of hate crime incidents at CSU were graffiti-
type crimes," sad "Thought Control" Officer Bob Chaffe of the CSU
Police Department.
Yet no law exists on the state books citing "hate crimes". So why is
Chaffee calling graffiti a hate crime?

This simply a behavorial control method imposed by "Big" Al Yates.

The thoery is that if you tell a lie long enough, many will be dubed
into believing it is true and eventually become frightened into
conformity, i.e. "Thought Control".
The Nazi's used a somewhat similiar tactic. They would accuse political
dissidents of being: "... inveterate German haters," round up these so-
called "hate criminals" then have them deemed mentally unstable by
the state appointed psychiatrists who would in turn send these
malcontents to extermination camps. I encourage all fellow freedom
fighters to chalk whatever they "f*cking " please.. Duncan Philp,
senior Political Science/ History, Collegian 2/25/99
It was all out war on free speech by the campus left.
Look who's chalking
Seniors Meredith Canode and Bobby Carlson (both of whom worked

for the campus rag) spend some time reading the chalkings out on the
Lory Student Center Plaza. Thye found one particualr amusing. It read
"I hate Facsists (sic). Collegian 10/27/99
Fascism Free Chalking Party !
The Lory Student Center governeing board's adherence to fascist

principles is truely remarkable! Flyer put out by Ric Giombetti, senior
in journalism and a member of SAPI
Ric was also a fellow anarchist, who depised the Collegian for their
sloppy news reporting methods and their biased towards guys like us.
We held the chalking party on Nov, 1st of 1999 in the Plaza.
Lets chalk about it
Andrew Long, a senior history major, chalks "ASCSU is a fraud" on the

Plaza on Monday evening. In the background, Ric Giombetti, a
graduate journalims student, writes "THE COLLEGIAN HATES THE 1st
AMENDMENT (sic)." Eric Olson, Collegian 11/2/99
Ric made no spelling mistakes in his chalkings that day. The campus
was in utter chaos. Everyone was chalking some kind of crap on the
Plaza cement and this would go on for over the rest of the year. Twice
the CSUPD was sent to harass me for my chalking activities in which I
was not only chalking in reference to the campus queers but the
campus copsters as well. Every day there was a letter to the editor
either attacking the actions of SAPI or praising us for defending free
speech. Even the PHd's got in on this one.
PHd student McNulty made a pathetic effort to silence myself and

Andrew with his letter to the editor. His whining fell on deaf ears and
the Chalk Wars raged on.
In the end we had struck a blow for freedom and there would be NO
fascist dictums denying anyone the right to chalk what ever they
wanted to chalk on the Plaza. The queers had decide to back off and

as a result the Chalk Wars had ended. The year of '99 would soon
come to close.
CSU's Plaza approved for free speech
The LSC student governing board stepped into the First Amendment
debate in October, after anti-gay chalkings appeared on the Plaza. The
hate chalkings ignited a 'chalk war' that covered the cement with
messages attacking everyone form the Associated Students of CSU to
the Collegian. Adam Woodroof, Collegian 4/5/00
The governing board fueled the debate after it attempted to regulate

chalkings to only allow advertisements for student organizations and
upcoming events. "The chalking policy has been slightly, revised" said
LSC Director Micheal Ellis,"but students can potentially write anything
on the Plaza." Adam Woodroof, Collegian 4/5/00
Can you say success? Sure you can.
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duncan During the early part of '98, around May of that year, I felt like I was
Moderator about to pass out and could barely get out of a chair to walk. It had
been coming on for the past six years or so. First it was skin problems
Registered: Jul 2003 of itching and drying out, then my feet would always itch and the
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado souls of my feet would be cracked from dryness. Fatigue, a failure to
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focus and I had a hard time with reading as the lines would appear to
flow like water before my very eyes.
I walked over to the campus clinic and an ambulance was called to

take me to the hospital. When I arrived they took a small blood
sample and a few minutes later I was told that I had diabeties. My
blood sugar was at 350 and my lipid readings were off the chart.
On March 19th of 1999 at around 11pm, while I was trying to fall

asleep, I felt alot or pressure on my chest and knew at that moment I
was having a heart attack. I piled into my '78 Ford Bronco and drove
myself to the Cheyenne VA hospital from my home in Carr, Colorado.
I had twenty miles to go and the further I drove the worse the pian
had gotten. I felt that the only way I was going to make it was by
speeding up my pace and running all red lights. I turned on my
flashers and slowed down at the red lights on my way to the hospital.
It wasn't long before five cop cars were following me and one copster
was trying to run me into the ditch. He couldn't run that old Bronco of
mine into any ditch without getting creamed by it. I would dodge the
swine and made into the hospital parking lot. I got out to make my
way to the Emergency Room and all of the copscum had arrived to
prevent me from saving my own life.
Ya see the copscum of Cheyenne and Laramie County all had their
own little spy file on me and knew exactly who I was amnd what it
was that I was driving. They also knew were I lived, because Chafee
had owned a small piece of property adjacent to mine in Carr,
Colorado and he was albe to keep tabs on me. Like you didn't think I'd
find this out Bob?
Cheyenne p8g- Stop.
Me- Get the f*ck out of my way.
CP- I think your are drunk. Have you been drinking? (Gets right up in
my face to smell my breath)
Me - Get the f8ck out my face a$$hole. ( Walking into the Emergency
Room) I hand the attendant my ID and he instructs me to lay down on
a bed in the Emergency Room.
CP- I think he's drunk and faking a heart attack.
County p*g - Let me see your ID.
Me - F7ck off and leave me alone.
Nurse - He is having heart attack sirs. His hands are numb and his
feet are becoming numb. His blood shows that things aren't good and
his EKG reading is not good. You people need to leave now.

CP- Why didn't you call an ambulance?
Me- Eat sh*t and leave me the f8ck alone.
No ambulance from Cheyenne is going to cross state lines and the

next nearest amublance would have been in Greeley and that is over
40 miles from Carr, CO. Oh yea they could have sent one of those
flight for life choopers and if the wait for the amublance hadn't killed
me then chooper ride would have. But do I need to explian this crap
to a copster while I'm having a heart attack? F8ck NO!!!! So you
copscum can see why it is that so many of us get upset when you
spout off your crap about how you all "serve and protect" the public.
Go f*ck yourselves.
I not only had one but two heart attacks in less than 24 hours and
they would ship me off to the county hospital the next day were the
doctors there would place two stents in main aorta.
I still have the implant card.
Date of implant 3-23-99
Site of implant LAD
Implanting Physician Hattel, Larry
Hospital UMC 214 E. 23rd st. Cheyenne, WY 82001
Cordis crown stents product codes CS30-035 & CS15-040
I had to go under twice for each of the stents and my kidneys would
stop their function. They placed me on a heart pump machine and
gave me some stuff for the kidney's. I was out for a day or so and
would spend a week in ICU to ponder my death.
One idiot doctor ran in and explained that I would need a heart
transplant. Nine years later and I'm still waiting for that imaginary
transplant. The dickhead in question even told my mother this
nonsense. After one week at the county Hospital I would get sent back
to the VA to their ICU clinic and then into a room on the third floor. I
had a roomie by the name of Stanker who had served in Vietnam as a
SGT in the Army Rangers. The SGT also had diabetes and nearly had a
heart attack himself. Stanker would never be able to stop smoking
and would later die as a result of his habit. We kept one another
company and we kept one another alive for the days that we had to
room together.
I had a hard time breathing and would often wake up in a cold sweat
at night. I lived with the fear of never waking up. Big chunks of skin
would peel off the soles of my feet, but I had to get up and walk or
die. The fear of death kept me going. The other thing that kept me
going was the fear of not graduating from school. Some may think
this foolish or that it should be the least of my concerns, but after
spending six years at school I was not about to give it up. I could only
be gone from school for two weeks otherwise I would have to do

another year at CSU. I checked out after two weeks of being in both
hospitals and drove myself home. You learn real quick that no one
gives a **** about you, but you and no one will do **** for you, but
you. I dealt with it on my own and as I had dealt with all of my sh*t
on my own my entire life.
After driving the twenty miles to my home I soon realized that would
not be able to do this sh*t everyday and that I needed to be in town. I
would spend the rest of the semester in Ft. Collins living in a dorm. I
would get out of bed everyday and walk one to two miles and then
walk to every one of my classes. The side effects of my condition
continued, I would piss blood and wake up at night in a cold sweat. At
the time I didn't think things could get much worse other than I could
be dead. Things got much worse.
On April 19th Columbine went down. On April 25 of 1999 I had

recieved a midnight call from a close friend of my Fathers, who lived
in Cheyenne, Henry Ross said hello and I knew what his next few
words would be. "Duncan, your father has died." I hung up and began
to cry.
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10-06-2008 06:54 PM

duncan I really shoud write a f*cking book, but this will have to do
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Walk or Die. Stay active of give up. I was told that of all the people
Registered: Jul 2003 who suffer from a heart attack 50% of them will die at the time of
Posts: 9017 their heart attacks and half of those who do live through it, will die
within a year after their heart attacks. I am one of the 25% who made
it past that first year. It has been nearly ten years now and I don't
expect to die any time soon, but then none of us ever do. Sorry to
disappoint you swine, but I have a few more paybacks coming for you
boys in blue and I plan on getting them all before I die.
After having something like this happen, a guy tends to have a whole
new outlook on life. I'm living on borrowed time and as such I tend
not give a sh*t what people think of me or what they may try to do to
me. Getting up in an FBI agents face and telling him to eat sh*t
means nothing to me, as most of you read about on this forum. A guy
like Morrison is nothing more than a gnat to be swatted with the back
of my hand when he annoy's me. I stopped giving a f*ck when I was
told my father had died. If anyone one wants me then come and get
me and you cop lovers know were I live.
I didn't quite finish the semester at CSU. I had to take two

Incompletes, but did manage to compete two other of my classes and
returned for the summer semester to continue on with my studies. I
had a short break between the fall and summer semesters and took it
to spend some time at a Seventh Day Adventist farm west of Loveland
Colorado to help me recover. And leave it ot the FCPD to coninue
f*cking with me even after what I had been through.
I had to be out of the dorm by the end of the fall semester and I still
was unable to do much driving. I would check into government
housing run by the city of Ft. Collins and how long do you think this
was gonna last before some swine would violate my privacy?
Was I being a hypocrite by doing living in welfare housing? Yep, but I

am a live hypocrite and not a dead fool. While at the SDA camp the
FCPD scum did in fact enter my domicile and without a warrant to
search my apartment. All in hopes of dicovering my secret documents
or my plot to overthrow the government. They never did find anything
other than my trusty little SKS carbine with a web belt of ammo
hanging from the barrel. I'll just bet those swine fondled my rifle and
molested it in some way. You perverts.
More proof that the copscum hate anyone who dare to challenge them
on their bullsh*t. How do I know that they did this? Officer Phil Porter
told me so. I have no idea why he even bothered to tell me this, since
I knew that they would do it anyway. You swine really think that the
rest of us are a stupid as you people are? Come on.
I would spend the summer in the welfare housing and attend summer
school and leave at the end of this semester to retrun to my home in
Carr, Colorado.
The story doesn't end and I guess it never will until I do finally die off.

My Father was an Mechanical Engineer and made alot of money from

his profession. He had a good friend whom he worked with by the
name of Pat Cunan. I met Pat a few times and knew of their close
relationship, but had no idea what had happened to Pat since the last
time I had seen him in 1987.
Pat is a rather interesting fellow to say the least. He had invested

some cash into a thing called "Treasure Hunters", a company formed
by the infamous Treasure Hunter Mel Fisher. Mr. Fisher was the guy
who had uncovered the Spanish Galleon ship called the Atocha. Fisher
had lost one of sons to the hunt and he finally had become a
millioniare over night when he found the Spanish ship off the coast of
Florida. Fisher fought for a few years with the IRS and he beat them
at their own game. The IRS never got a dime out of Fisher and he
paid off his investors with gold and silver that he had found from the
ship. Pat recieved a nice pay off from his investment and to this day
no one really knows how much gold and silver Fisher really found.
Pat got into some trouble with the fed over a money laundering
scheme, not related to his investment with Fisher, and the fed stole
much of his property. Pat had gone to court once and won, the
prosecutor had taken him to court again and Pat won twice the third
time he had to go to court the fed won and Pat did 13 years in a
federal pen for money laundering. I last saw Pat in 2004, he was out
of prison and a free man.
Due to the loss of his fortune, from the fed having stole most of it and
his legal fees, he feared that he might see his silver stolen. So he sold
it all to my father prior to going to prison. At the time this was going
on I had no knowledge of it other than I dad did want me to help him
bury hundreds of pounds of Spanish silver in the Grover, Colorado
cemetery and we buried it all under the headstone of one John Dodds,
who was a cousin to my grandfather C. Verne Philp. When dad died
the silver became my property.
I sold one bar to John Anderson, the owner of "Corner Coins" located
in Ft. Collins on the corner of Mulberry and Remington. The silver bar
in question had to be cut in half so as to ship to a collector via Fed-Ex
and I had a local welder cut it on his upright band saw in his shop
located on Willox lane in Ft. Collins. A retired Ft. Collins p8g, who was
working for said welder at the time, had spotted me and reported my
silver to Officer Michealson. In Colorado coin dealers are required by
law to make a record of any silver and gold purchases and the local
copscum come buy to pick up the coin dealers reciepts, similiar to a
pawn dealer. Michealson was the copscum and a wannbe investigator
and he was the one who would pick up a copy of all pawn reciepts.
When he got a reciept with my name on it, in which I had sold John a
90lb bar of silver, the scumbag was beside hismelf with hate and
vengance. Officer dumba$$ got on the phone to John to ask him were
I had gotten that bar of silver and to tell John that I was a bad dude
who was being investigated by him and the FBI.
What pray tell did it all get you Michealson? Not a f8cking thing uh?
You exposed your agenda and your cover you stupid motherf8cker.
Who do you think told me about your phone call and about yer fellow

swine at the welders shop?
That made two times in less that six months that the FCPD swine had
tried to f*ck me over and for what? No crime was being comitted
here, yet they wanted so badly to get even with for talking sh*t about
their ever worthless profession. I got the silver sold and I got around
$5 an ounce. I took more of it out of the ground and loaded into a
rental truck and drove to Texas and sold it to the commodities broker
Dillion in Dallas, Texas. Dillion gave me cash. I then went to a Dallas
Ford dealer and purchased me a brand new pickum truck with cash. I
purchased a 1999 Ford F-150, with those shiney chrome rims.
Is there any silver left? There's only one way to find out and I will kill
anyone I catch digging up a family members grave.
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10-06-2008 08:17 PM

duncan Just one more semester at CSU.

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SAPI's last act would to bring McNulty back to show his second film
Registered: Jul 2003 titled "Waco: A new revelation".
Posts: 9017 Documentary maker revsists Waco siege
A presentation on the 1993 federal raid on the Branch Davidians

compound outside Waco, Texas, will be at 7pm Monday In Colorado
State University's Lory Student Center's, east Ballroom. Admission is
$4. David Ruisard, Coloradoan 2/26/00
Reopening the waco wounds
McNulty's presentation was brought to campus by the Student

Advocacy for the Politically Incorrect. Ben Koerselman, Collegian
2/29/00
The event with off with a hitch and around 300 folks showed up to
watch the second film about Waco.
Waco film screening Thursday at CSU
Waco is heartache that won't go away Kevin Duggan, Coloradoan

4/17/00
Waco filmmaker says government may have altered photos

Kevin Darst, Coloradoan, April/18/00
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duncan May 13th, 2000 had finally arrived and I was done with CSU .... until
Moderator 2006.
Registered: Jul 2003 The College of Liberal Arts would like to Congratulate its
Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Graduates
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Andrew Kevin Long( Magna Cum Laude)
Duncan Duwane Philp
Jeremy J. Sias
Rocky Mountain Collegian Friday, May, 5, 2000
I had graduated with Andy and his wife Becky along with our pal
Jeremy Siaz. Andy graduated with a 3.9 GPA and recieved a
scholarship to Emory University. He spent all of one semester at
Emery and quit due to a certain gun grabbing prof by the name of
Bell. Bell was the **** who lied and told us that very few of the
founding fathers owned guns. She later lost crediblity with her own
peers. Andy was going to do his thesis on John Calhoun's "A Southern
Nation", but he had to give it up.
His wife Becky also attended Emory and she recieved a masters
degree in nursing. They both moved to Oklahoma just north of OK
City were Andy attended the University of Oklahoma Law School. He
graduated in May of 2005. He now sues bill collectors. Becky works at
the childrens hosptial in OK city. They have two little girls Piasley and
Hanna, who both call me Uncle Dunky. And only these two little girls
can get away with calling me that.
I went to Andy's graduation ceremoney and he later gave me a tour of

the OK City bombing site. The new federal building, that replaced the
Murray bldg, was built ten stories underground. the bldg next to the
spot were the Murray bldg once stood was used as a museum and
they were charging seven bucks to get in. I opted not to go into the
museum nor did I buy a t-shirt and hat.
The following day I drove three hundred miles to Waco, Texas to the
Branch Davidian site. I met with Clyde Doyle and his crew and we did
the SDA sabbath thing together. I had only been on site for ten
minutes when a federal spy was sent by the fed to see who I was. The
kook had a black and white flag and was dressed in black BDU's, he
was protesting the Davidians and yelling "Triators".
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10-06-2008 08:51 PM
duncan Ric Giombetti left CSU just few months before myself and Andy did.
Moderator Just prior to leaving Ric had started his own weekely titled "The
Mercury". He had dedicated one of his weeklies to me.
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Smearing the WTO Protests
by Rick Giombetti
In the annals of non-profit scam outfits Morris Dees' Montgomery,

Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center is the undisputed king,
with an endowment of over $100 million, as it was reported in the
March 16-30 issue of CounterPunch(www.counterpunch.org). Said
millions are raised by the SPLC's persistent fund-raising campaigns
scaring its donors, many of them low-income, into believing the
factually inane notion that the racist far right is on the verge of a
political takeover of the entire country. Dees never gives up. His
countenance can be counted on to appear on at least one national
television news program the minute an act of racist violence has been
committed and receives national media attention. In reality the SPLC is
little more than a spying agency for the state and if anybody doubted
this before, then I suggest they check out the SPLC's latest quarterly
"Intelligence Report," an apropos name for its quarterly publication, on
the Internet at www.splcenter.org.
The unauthored article "Neither Left Nor Right" was reported in the
same issue of CounterPunch mentioned above. The article is basically a
hack piece cheapshotting the many fine politically left groups that
organized the civil disobedience that disrupted the opening ceremonies
of the WTO on November 30. Said article purports the protests were
infiltrated by fascists who subscribe to a politics dubbed the "European-
style Third Position," where the far left and right find common ground
in fighting the forces of corporate globalization. The article confidently
states, not sourced, that "in at least one case, [racists] fought it out
with black youth amidst the tear gas." The article only sources far right
racists and their green leanings leading the uninformed reader to

equate environmentalism with racism. The article also cites the internal
policy debates within the Sierra Club on the topic of immigration, again
giving the false impression of a non-existent alliance between the left
and right.
There have been and are still plenty of people on the racist right who
have fashioned themselves as ecologists. What does that have to do
with organizations like Earth First!, who are named in the article but
not given any space to defend their own position on the issue of
racism? The one topic CounterPunch does not raise in its coverage of
the SPLC article is COINTELPRO. A good question to ask is whether
Dees' article was not written at the behest of the FBI or the White
House itself. After all, the best bet when you take up an unpopular
position like defending the WTO, as Clinton has done since its creation,
is to smear the opposition with the "r" word.

underground newspaper I published before moving to Seattle. Philp
was unfairly smeared by the SPLC and the Anti-Defamation League as a
racist for his attendance of the Christian identity La Porte Church of
Christ, located north of Fort Collins. Philp never became a member of
said church and a photo of him marching arm in arm with two black
men in a 1990 Martin Luther King, Jr. holiday event hardly fits the
description of a far right racist. Philp puts forward an interesting theory
on why organizations like the ADL and the SPLC spy that seems to
make sense to me.
employed its Counter Intelligence Program, or COINTELPRO, to repress
political dissent, says Philp. Therefore, today, the FBI hires scam outfits
like the ADL and the SPLC instead to spy on political dissidents, which
includes anti-IMF, World Bank, and WTO organizations. The time is long
overdue for liberals who fashion themselves as champions of civil
liberties to stop giving their ill-spent money to spy outfits like the ADL
and SPLC.
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This is a short version of Rick's feature story on me.
Ric moved to Seattle and began his own undreground paper. I last saw
him in Seattl in 2002 on my way to Alaska, to spend that 20K I had
won in federal court. Ric often writes for Counter Punch.
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10-07-2008 02:39 PM
duncan Donn Hopkins retired a few years after I had graduated. Bob Chafee
Moderator resigned his post when CSU hired a back cop, from south Chicago, to
take Hopkins old job.
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Since 1977, Capt. Robert "Bob" Chaffee has served the CSU Police
Department and the CSU community with pride. At the end of July,
the department will say farewell to its much-revered captain when
Chaffee retires from duty with the CSUPD
Bye, bye fat boy.
One of my good friends and CEO of the TRT once told me that he had
grown up with Chafee in Ft. Collins. Zeig went on to tell me that even
as child, while playing army guy, Chafee would boss the other children
around and none of them would pay any attention to him. I guess fat
boy figured that if he was a copsum then everyone would be forced to
pay attention to him. I never did.
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duncan After leaving CSU in May of 2000 I went on to attend a thing called
Moderator "Denver Paralegal Institute. I began in July of 2000 and left in
Febuary of 2001. In March of 2001 DPI sold out to the ever worthless
Registered: Jul 2003 Kaplan Corporation.
Posts: 9017 During the month of October of 2000, I found a website called
copwatch.com and copwatch.net. I checked out the website and
decide to join and since I have joined the website and posted my stuff
here for the past nine eight years. The hits on this website have
reached into the tens of thousands. I had no idea that so many
copscum could be so interested in little ole me.
I have been dubbed a "Domestic Terrorist" by the police state and to

date I have never commited any federal crimes, any state felonies or
violent misdemeanors, yet here I am an enemy of the state.
I spent nearly seven years at CSU and amassed 178 credits. I

graduated with a BA in Politicial Science, a minor in History and a
certificate in Criminal Justice. I went back in to CSU November of
2001 and picked up a certificate in Legal Investigations.
How did I pay for all of this schooling?
Colorado state voc-rehab paid for all my tution and books for both
CSU and DPI to equal around 35K. SS# paid out around 49K during
my stint at CSU. I recieved about 20K in grants and scholarships. I
amassed over 60k in student loans and had them all discharged due
to my disablities. 164K would be an approximate total and the cops
can be the blame for all of this waste of tax dollars. How so?
I was working at a Electrical Supply House in Ft. Collins, called Loos

Electric and now called Cresent Electric, the FCPD went to the
manager, Ron Brower, and told him to get rid of me and he did just
that. Brower as it turned out was the referee of a cop softball league
and was close pals with FCPO Chuck Cross. Ron was a coplover from
Nebraska. When Loos was bought out by Crescent Electric, Ron was
demoted to a lowly salesman and later retired. Cross retired some
time ago to live off of his tax paid for pension.
I want to take this momemt to thank Ron and officer Chuck for what
they had done too me way back in 1991, because if not for these two

idiots I would have never gotten 164K of my tax dollars back. Thanks
guys, it meant alot ot me. I really mean it, from the bottom of my
wallet.
It makes no difference who or what corporation I work for, because

the coposters are going to make sure that I never work again. Or
rather the copsters will make sure that I never have an income from
working for an employer. I'm working now, I just don't have any
income or making any money from being a political agitator and
copwatcher.
Not working for money pays me better than when I did work for
money. I picked up another 20K from the county swine of Jefferson
County, bringing the total to 184K as of 2002. And just think, all you
swine had to do was LEAVE ME THE **** ALONE!!!!!
My story doesn't end here. There would be more fun and more of
getting my tax dollars back. The year was 2001 and 9/11 was gonna
happen and I would move to SE Wyoming.
__________________
General Zapata
Appeals
Minnich, C.S.A.

10-07-2008 03:32 PM

duncan Keith Mieser

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Who is Keith Mieser?

Location: Ft. Collins, Colorado Mieser was the VP of Student Affiars at CSU. He was the right hand
Posts: 9017
man of the University President Al Yates.
A little birdie called the other day to tell me that the plot to get me off
campus was the work of Mieser.
The little birdie is a retired history professor, who's class I had taken
and received a B grade from.
Unlike Deputy Gropp I got along with my professors and never blamed
them for what the admin was doing to me.
There will be more on this one and maybe even a lawsuit.
__________________
General Zapata
Appeals
Minnich, C.S.A.

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