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Philippine Government Procurement :: RA 9184 Revised Implementing Rules
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shobe
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shobe
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Shobe, what will you say if I inform you that in the draft
IRR the 50% Single Largest Contract is even proposed to
be increased to 70%? Sec. 23.6.2 of the draft IRR is partly
quoted as follows:
RDV @ GP3i
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shobe wrote:
I hope the engineers can help me with this.
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engrjhez wrote
engrjhez,
riddler
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Engr. Ruel,
engrjhez
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I got this from one of the best engineers in NEDA, hope this
helps.
The adjusted contract price may be computed using the
following formula:
haha ha. Now its simple atty.. but wait, one more spoon
feed for me, please.
riddler
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You get the CPI (Consumer Price Index) data from the
NSO. ciao.
RDV @ GP3i
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You get the CPI (Consumer Price Index) data from the NSO.
ciao.
ok. now I get it. i'll try to navigate again to their web.
Thanks RDV!
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September 26, 2014 at 8:18 am#55
raieezhen
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My companys renewed license is with Category C and Size Range of Small A. Under the
Categorization Classification Table it is only presented that Category C is with a Size Range of
Small B. What then will be the ARCC for our license?
September 26, 2014 at 4:12 pm#473
pcametro
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The size rage is not only based on Category but also on SLP (Single Largest Project) registered
with PCAB. Category C would qualify for Small B but if you do not have a SLP that qualifies for
Small B, you will be classified as Small A.
September 27, 2014 at 1:22 am#474
raieezhen
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For Small A the SLP is lesser or equivalent to 500T. During our renewal we presented projects
we have undertaken up to 10M. We inquired from PCAB why the size range was Small A but
they only informed us that it will be considered on the next renewal. This affected our eligibility in
joining Government projects even if we have experiences and NFCC more than the ABC. Is it
really the size range will be the only basis for ARCC and the Category will not be of any
consideration?
September 27, 2014 at 4:07 am#475
pcametro
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Please remember that we are dealing with two different laws RA 4566 (the Contractors
License Law) and RA 9184 (the Government Procurement Reform Act) each with its specific
criteria based on its scope of operation. Category C is a Category under RA 4566 and Small A is
a size range under RA 9184. Category is only of consideration if you qualify via your SLP.
As you have obviously not provided the full picture in your query we make a few assumptions
(based on reasonable deductions as we know that PCAB will properly apply the law(s) and
regulations) in our explanation below:
1. You have recently renewed your PCAB license (expiry date every 30 June)
2. Your ARCC Registration is still valid (3 year renewal cycle) and was not up for renewal as yet
3. The only application submitted to PCAB was license renewal under RA 4566.
Consequently the response of PCAB (that it will be considered on the next renewal) is entirely
correct and specifically aimed at your ARCC Registration renewal which is not yet due.
September 27, 2014 at 6:33 am#476
raieezhen
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Thank you for your clarification PCAMETRO on this matter.
October 13, 2014 at 10:29 pm#482
allan_roldan
Participant
Hi. May I ask how much is the ceiling amount of project for a new license with category A, small
B classification, without experience. thank you.
October 15, 2014 at 3:13 am#484
pcametro
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The IRR under RA 9184 provides as follows:
23.5.2.5. The prospective bidder must have an experience of having completed, within a period
of ten (10) years from the date of submission and receipt of bids, at least one (1) contract that is
similar to the contract to be bid, and whose value, adjusted to current prices using the NSO
consumer price indices, must be at least fifty percent (50%) of the ABC to be bid:
Provided, however, That contractors under Small A and Small B categories without similar
experience on the contract to be bid may be allowed to bid if the cost of such contract is not
more than fifty percent (50%) of the Allowable Range of Contract Cost (ARCC) of their
registration based on the guidelines as prescribed by the PCAB.
October 18, 2014 at 3:41 am#488
shannchan
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Hi pcametro, are there several versions of the Revised IRR of RA9184? Because the copy I
downloaded did not mention the period of ten (10) years. Thanks
October 19, 2014 at 7:11 am#489
pcametro
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There are continuous changes to the IRR by the GPPB. Not easy to keep up with them
especially if not annotated. The above provision is contained in the original IRR by the GPPB as
approved by resolution (2009) of the various agencies. We however note that there is a differing
version currently in the GPPB site (including update annotations) and which does not include
the period of 10 years. There is no annotation of amendment and it could be an omission.
However, the presumption is that the official publication is correct.
November 18, 2014 at 2:44 am#496
secre
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sir, may we request clarification on the purpose of putting the notation in the PCAB issued
contractors license stating therein above project kinds and size ranges are based on board
resolution no. 001, s. 2004.. thank u very much
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November 18, 2014 at 10:41 am#497
pcametro
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It is the original Board Resolution dealing with the ARCC and sets out categorization and
classification information over and above the size ranges hence the notation. The size ranges
are currently dealt with by Circular No. 001 series of 2009 (2nd Stage)
http://pcametro.ph/pcab/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/Allowable-Ranges-of-Contract-Costs-
2ndstage_arcc.pdf.
November 26, 2014 at 7:23 am#498
secre
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hi pcametro.may we ask clarification on the logic why we are still using the second stage of
ARCC which covers CFYs 2006-2007 b& 2007-2008 instead of the third stage covering CFY
2008-2009 & 2009-2010 which is way way beyond 2014. are we supposed to wait for the
issuance of a PCAB circular before using said third stage of adjustment? thank u very much
November 26, 2014 at 9:27 am#499
pcametro
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The Second Stage Adjustment was approved by PCAB Circular No. 01 series of 2009. The
Third Stage Adjustment has nor as yet been approved. As to the reason why not, we do not
wish to speculate. However, in discussions at the end of 2012 concerns in respect of the
minimum net worth required per license category were raised as, for example, a Category D
(Medium A) contractor could be awarded numerous contracts of up to Php15M whilst only
having a net worth of Php900K. This was part of the discussion (though not specifically
highlighted) we reported on in the the following article: http://pcametro.ph/blog/contractors-not-
ready-for-afta/. From what we gather, there is no immediate plan approve the Third Stage
Adjustment.
December 9, 2014 at 8:12 am#501
secre
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hi pcametro.happy holidays.. we are still in quandary regarding pcab board resolution no. 001
series of 2004 and pcab circular no. 001 s. of 2009. this office had automatically used the third
stage of adjustments starting CY 2008 to present since there was no suspension order holding
in abeyance the implementation of the third stage of adjustment. how can we bridge the
inconsistency in the application of the stages of adjustment when we have already implemented
the ARCC as per period of coverage of pcab board resolution no. 001 s. 2004. The issuance of
circular 001 s. 2009 was rather late since effectivity of the same was on July 2009, which was
already the second year of implementation for the third stage. We simply can not just say to the
bidders that we will go back to the second stage of adjustment without showing any document
to that effect. Our other concern is the notation in the pcab license stating therein that above
project kinds and size ranges are based on board resolution no. 001, s. 2004. Whats the logic
of putting the notation if we are to use PCAB circular no. 01, s. 2009 or wont it be more
understandable if the notation talks about pcab circular no. 01, s. 2009 instead so that the arcc
reflected therein will just be second stage of adjustment. is there a violation if we still used the
third stage of adjustment up to now? sir/mam, we hope to see light regarding our query. thank
you very much.
December 14, 2014 at 5:47 pm#502
pcametro
Participant
PCAB Provided us with the following response:
PCAB suspended the implementation of stage 3 of the adjustment of size range. It would take
a board resolution lifting the suspension which should be published in a newspaper of general
circulation. This is made clear in all AMO seminars.
Stage 3 may not be even implemented at all because the minimum equity of each category is
due for adjustment. (The allowable range of contract is related to equity.)
As to the notation, it was written there because during the transition from stage 1 to 2, a Medium
A, for example, issued in stage 1 will have a track record based on stage 1 but the registrations
validity may extend up to stage 2. This is to apprise user of the difference. A Medium A issued in
stage 2 does not have the notation.
When BR 001 s. 2004 was issued each adjustment stage was linked to an increase in minimum
equity required per Category. The increased equity was not implemented and accordingly the
adjustment stages could not be implemented in accordance with the provisions of BR 001 s.
2004. This Board Resolution is now moot and academic.
December 15, 2014 at 3:54 am#504
secre
Participant
gud am pcametrothanks for the response to our query. We would just want to point out that
how cud we say that BR 001-2004 is now moot and academic when even pcab licenses issued
CY 2013 and 2014 still have the notation in the said licenses. May we ask if the suspension was
issued through a board resolution or though a circular and may we know where to download the
said suspension for the implementation of stage three of the adjustment of size ranges so that
we will be guided accordingly. Thanks a lot
December 15, 2014 at 6:52 am#505
pcametro
Participant
PCAB Circular 01 series of 2009 superseded BR 001-2004. You cannot look at Board
Resolutions in isolation. BR 001-2004 was issued as part of a broader upgrading of contracting
capability policy of CIAP/PCAB in terms of which the net equity per License Category will be
increased coinciding with the size range adjustment stages. The increase of net equity per
License Category was approved by PCAB BR No. 949 series of 2003, pursuant to CIAP BR No.
9 series of 2003. However, only stage one of the increase of net equity per License Category
was implemented. This effectively halted the further implementation of the further stages.
Through PCAB Circular 01 series of 2009 the second stage adjustment was implemented.
There has been no further implementation. The PCAB Categorization-Classification Table
reflects the current position (downloadable from http://pcametro.ph/pcab/pcab-license-form/). In
addition, BR 001-2004 stipulates as follows: the Board RESOLVES to provide for a 2-year
implementation period. Each stage had to be separately implemented. This, other than by
PCAB Circular 01 series of 2009, never occurred.
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